homebrew

[slender olive]

Give it batteries

A motor

And stick a ring on it with a triangular star

Also call it Mercedes Benz for absolutely no reason

Sherlock Holmes but it's Batman

And Robin is Watson

And make it D&D

[amber hollow]

Nothing reflected... what's to hit

[slender olive]

Essence, maybe its form releases the mirror

Maybe the mirror is a host?

It's like a virus that only infects shiny objects

[amber hollow]

My idea is more a spirit, that tends to reside around places with reflective stuff in order to show up in reflections. Perhaps it wants to show up, but not be seen. And of course, adventurers notice, draw its ire

[slender olive]

I was thinking more so a mimic, or maybe even a ghost

Posessing the object

[amber hollow]

A spirit showing up in reflections

[slender olive]

Works

Ghost of the Mirror

Make it a class too

Or subclass

[amber hollow]

ehhhh seems far too gimmicky

I'm already on a backlog of like 3 subclasses

[slender olive]

Not enough

Need more

[native grove]

okay i think i decided. Their eye rays will be charming, psychic damage+confusing, ice+brief slowness and acid+melt armor.

[spring tusk]

would yall consider Godrick, The Grafted to be a Monstrosity or an Undead?

[coral delta]

Monstrosity. A Chimera is a monstrosity, after all

[spring tusk]

also I just noticed Godrick has resistance to Radiant so making him Undead wouldnt fit

what about the Tree Sentinel?

not a monstrosity- effectively just an armored human on top of a giant warhorse,

but humanoids are typically medium

and giant doesnt feel like it fits

[coral delta]

Ogres are Giants.

[spring tusk]

what about it

[coral delta]

They're not that much larger than humans, so I think that fits.

[spring tusk]

Ogre's have Giant ancestry

thats also how they explain Goliath's being giants but being medium sized

[coral delta]

Sure, but none of that lore exists in Elden Ring. You're just looking for the closest comparison between creature types. If you don't like the idea of a Humanoid that big, Giant is your next best option.

[spring tusk]

thats not the point

there are giants in Elden Ring, like the Trolls that are even shown in the early game

making Margit and Godrick both monstrosities because ones Omenborn and the other is Grafted (both like chimera) makes sense, but in the lore of Elden Ring every boss is bigger than you

so maybe just like- yeah, i'll just do a Large Humanoid

[plucky coral]

hello all I had a question I will be starting dming pretty soon once this campaign I’m in ends, I wanted to ask a question regarding lucky as a feat. I have seen one of my fellow players use it and it’s quite frustrating cause it’s always after damage or other things have already happened that he remembers to use it so I wanna change it. Give me options but what do you all think of instead it’s a literal lucky stroke, ie he can say he wishes he was lucky and I will give him a good event or something similar. It won’t just be disadvantage or advantage but literally giving him the lucky stroke he needs

example if you are lucky great you just ran into the only potion seller on the island and he has tonics for you for free cause he’s being audited and has to offload the things - players get 6 random positive potions two negative no idea which are which

[coral delta]

It's considerably, considerably harder to write a feature that grants roleplay opportunities instead of mechanical effects.

If your player is having issues with timing on his use of Lucky, as a DM I'd recommend just telling him "unfortunately, it's too late. Try to remember next time."

[plucky coral]

How about the fact he is a wild sorcerer. I’m not a dm yet I haven’t dmed and I will be soon I just want to try and avoid that

[coral delta]

I'm not entirely sure what his subclass has to do with this. Could you clarify?

[elfin pivot]

hey guys

i made like a boss for my level 2 party (consisting of a paladin, a wizard, a warlock and a rogue). I was wondering if it's like balanced for the gang lol.

i cant send the stat block here it seems

[coral delta]

You can't send pictures here, but you can send links.

For example, you could upload your picture to an image hosting website like imgur, or send a link directly if your stat is block is hosted on a website like dmsguild

[elfin pivot]

I made it on like crittersdb

Can i send like a link from there?

[coral delta]

I'm not familiar with the website myself, but maybe!

[elfin pivot]

https://critterdb.com:443/#/bestiary/view/68cd6dc4602030b6fba0ba3f

okay here you go

[amber hollow]

I had an idea
"Almost 7 Seconds Of Bad Luck. Whenever a creature within a mile of the mirrorgast breaks a mirror, that creature has Disadvantage on D20 Tests until the end of their next turn."
just felt funny

[coral delta]

Does this enemy have any minions in the combat as well?

[elfin pivot]

A few yes, villagers animated by trees and vines

[amber hollow]

https://critterdb.com:443/#/creature/view/68cd5962602030b6fba0b7f4
A massively complex monster based on appearing around reflections, having false images, and having mcguffins that need breaking to weaken it. The mirrorgast!

[coral delta]

At level 2, you should be expecting your players to deal an average of 8-15 damage on their turn if they land all their abilities. Assuming this is the case, that boss will probably go down in one round of focused fire.

I think its heal is way too little. 1d6 HP is 4 HP on average, and it requires it to not take one of its offensive options to benefit.

Lastly, this creature definitely needs a reliable long range option. Thorn Whip isn't going to cut it against a Wizard and a Warlock.

[amber hollow]

Technically it's 3.5 hp per d6 - imagine you roll a statistical average over 2 times, that's 7 points

[coral delta]

Don't feel like you have to stick to the same options players have. Long range attacks can be anything.

[elfin pivot]

I was thinking like enroot having secondary ability of being able to sprout out roots to constrain the players and all

But yea he's a tad bit too weak

Any ideas to compensate for his weaknesses?

[coral delta]

Minions, positioning, and environmental hazards/defenses will make a huge difference in how difficult an encounter is

But assuming a straight on battle, increased health and ranged attacks are both things that will level the playing field for this boss

[frail axle]

Hi, sorry I am appearing right out of the blue but I need some opinions on a feature for a subclass I'm working on for sorcerers

[primal osprey]

Fire away

[elfin pivot]

He got his own arena and all, but I'm worried about making the encounter too difficult since two of my players are fairly new and all lol

[remote lance]

New ≠ stupid

Especially in a game like dnd

[coral delta]

Unfortunately we can't really guess how your players are going to approach the situation. The person who knows them best is you, after all.

Consider reinforcements if it seems like they're having too easy of a time. Alternatively, consider doubling the creature's health as well, if it's too easy.

[outer stream]

guys, i made some magic and cursed objects for the next mission which will be undead themed. what do you guys think about them?

• Undead general's staff
  ---3d4 necrotic dmg + 2 wisdom
• Centipede sword
  ---2d8 piercing dmg. ignores covers. the sword makes the player bond with it so the player won't throw it away, while dealing the player 1d4 dmg for every attack roll with it scored over 15.
• Meat shield
  ---can store 2 attacks and release the added dmg as an attack. storing the attacks damages the shield and it has 76 hp. unhealable
• Crossbow of holy sickness
  ---(there's a switch to switch modes)
  ---sick variant.2d4 acid dmg. with every critical hit it stuns the enemy as he gets sick. every successful attack with this crossbow makes the wielder slightly sicker
  ---holy variant. 2d4 force dmg. has a force firecracker like effect, but each shot makes the player loose sanity
• Dragon skull helm
  ---+1AC + fire resistance
• Corpse eating axe
  ---2d10 slashing dmg. feeds of killed enemies. +3 strength. talks to player to kill. even other players
• Spine breaker
  ---1d1 bludgeoning dmg. once per long rest after killing with this weapon, enemies in a 10ft radius make a wisdom saving throw(13) or be pushed away 10ft and become frightnened. successing the check doesn't frighten
• Fungi dagger
  ---1d4 piercing dmg 1d4 poison dmg
• Forest fungi cloak
  ---you become silent when wearing it. footsteps also. the longer you wear it the quieter you are without it. your voice, your footsteps, etc
• Forgotten man helm
  ---+2 intelligence. you start forgetting as you wear it. your spell slots disappear, you deal less dmg

[elfin pivot]

You're right! None of them have barely heard about DND before, let alone having played it lol, but time and time again they've been surprising me with their little RP stuff and all. I'm just worried about making that boss fight too frustrating with additional difficulty lol.

[elfin pivot]

I'll see how the first few turns go, and increase the difficulty if I deem it necessary

Thank you! 😁

[frail axle]

6th Level: Seething Riposte (Abyssal)

When a creature successfully hits you and is within 5ft, you can use your reaction to make a melee attack or melee spell attack with advantage on the attacker. On a hit you add fire damage equal to your charisma bonus (minimum of 1) to your damage rolls

[primal osprey]

Sounds good

[frail axle]

Ty

[primal osprey]

Would be horrifying with high level cantrips

I like it

[coral delta]

If that's intended to allow Cantrips, it currently doesn't based on its wording.

[frail axle]

Wouldn't it because it can be a melee spell attack? A cantrip is still technically a spell

[true forge]

Booming blade?

[primal osprey]

A cantrip IS a spell

[coral delta]

"Make a melee spell attack" doesn't allow a player to cast a spell by default. You'd need to specify "... use your reaction to make a melee [weapon] attack or [cast a spell that makes a melee spell attack] with advantage on the attacker."

[frail axle]

But it does say that it uses a reaction

[spring tusk]

@coral delta
Tree Sentinel

[coral delta]

The text in the [brackets] is the new text that I'm saying you'll need to add / change.

[spring tusk]

what do we think of this Tree Sentinel?

[glad veldt]

So I'm trying to create a good system that can be easily referred to when giving magic items different effects.

I've had help identifying what peices there are to magic items but I need a good way of specifically introducing limits.

Power, Scope, and I don't have a name for the third one.

But in a nutshell How powerful an effect is, in what circumstances it can be used, and how often it can be used.

[frail axle]

Gotcha

Fixed

[slender olive]

Shiny Armor

Illusion cantrip

Casting Time: 1 action
Range: Self
Components: V, S
Duration: 1 minute

You wrap yourself in a shimmering illusion. For the spell’s duration, your clothing or armor appears as any set of light or medium armor you describe. The illusion covers only your body, not your weapons or gear, and cannot copy heavy armor or magical armor. While active, you do not feel the armor; it is only a visual illusion. A creature can use its action to examine you and attempt a Wisdom (Perception) check against your spell save DC. On a success, it sees through the illusion, noticing it is not real. The spell ends early if you dismiss it (no action required).

.

Do I make it concentration or not?

[coral delta]

This seems worse than Disguise Self in duration and capability.

[slender olive]

It's a cantrip

Maybe I should put something in my server nickname

There we go

[coral delta]

Oh, I glossed right over that one

It's fine then. I don't see any way it could be misused, even without concentration.

I'd honestly bump the 1min to 10min or 1hr.

[pliant zealot]

So would it be okay to post in this chat a homebrew that we have found and want to verify balance ?

[true portal]

found?

[pliant zealot]

Yes so some one else's homebrew that they posted to a reddit at one point. It looks really good, though I cant find much conversation about how its been played in games

[true portal]

sure?

[pliant zealot]

Word. I was just making sure... now I gotta wait 10 min so I can post links even though ive been in this discord before xD

[pliant zealot]

https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/mobile/folders/1CAWOlpQT8Mz4OlNmFt-CkFDG_RvGrwPF?usp=sharing

This is the homebrew in question. I found it on reddit and looking over it it doesnt seem super crazy. Maybe the breath weapon needs to be on a resource or something? But other than that none of the attacks seem much stronger than say a normal melee

[floral igloo]

need help coming up with the last ability of this subclass, any ideas.
subclass in question: https://homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/share/8-Orc57a2LiB

[floral igloo]

it is finally done! https://homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/share/8-Orc57a2LiB

[broken summit]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m2-VjBMu3jKMSFms7tjDCLmaMTfko7opjuXmeJyDoFk/edit?usp=drivesdk

My little homebrew for gun rogue subclass

[midnight elk]

It looks great!

I'm still debating what to do next. I don't know where to go from this:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pOsUMDETy79hRUcGxNFhB2XQaR0TafnxxA1mdfWtwNI/edit?usp=sharing

[heady stream]

psshhht...anyone want some cool monk npc statblocks? https://homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/share/P_DnPaUOyktl

[midnight elk]

This feels familiar...

[heady stream]

I might have posted an earlier version a few weeks back

[midnight elk]

Ah

Should I keep hand drawing my homebrews or program an app to draw them on my computer?

[heady stream]

whatever works better for you

[midnight elk]

I started a new homebrew:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BtKkVOZkx1jLr_H4rgwtfCP-X9YNh_KYK2y2dqhDPiw/edit?usp=sharing

[halcyon flint]

Any1 possible wanna give me notes on my homebrew world? It's like 1/3 done rn but has the main plot stuff done:]
Here's the link u can add comments and stuff if u wanna give notes 🙏🙏🙏
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W5vtXAPUK5u7a6UwTb61x-b2bFk2sM6TR3FhMEDDYIw/edit?usp=drivesdk

Written completely by me with the help of grammarly to make it seem more professional

[silver iron]

I'm making a character using the Pirate background, but with the Strike of the Giant feature from Giant Foundling. Basically he's going to be a child raised by a giant and then he joins a pirate crew to see the world.

Originally I was thinking about having his guardian be a Reef Giant who teaches him how to swim well and defend himself; However, Zakharan giants don't seem to have elemental traits for the Giant Foundling background to draw from.

Which brings us to homebrew. I like Fire Strike & Ember of the Fire Giant, but fire doesn't feel fitting for the character. So, I was wondering if it would make sense for a fire giant to have an offshoot species that lives near hydrothermal vents & underwater volcanoes, thus changing from fire to boiling water or steam?

[midnight elk]

Yes it is possible

You could even have it be a tribe of giants that were rejected for being the offspring of fire and water giants as they are mortal enemies.

[silver iron]

is there water giants or are you referring to storm or reef giants?

[midnight elk]

Sorry I meant storm or reef.

I just used water as a general term

I made yet another weapon:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10-jRqLd4aWMiVPyVNqAUxD-YD7gjMSV3V5afExTv_fs/edit?usp=sharing

[silver iron]

yeah storm giant would probably be the best option for this character's origin, but I just like the Fire stuff more (Also with my character being a pugilist the Ember's blinding gives even more of a dirty fighting vibe). Storm strike's disadvantage on attacks isn't bad, but Soul of the Storm Giant's aura seems meh.

[spring tusk]

There are ocean giants but storm giants exist

That being said, steam and boiling water is displayed as fire damage anyway, so it's really just a matter of flavor

Connect yourself to fire giants and then just flavor the fire as being boiling water or steam

Works with the blinding feature too

Boiling water in the eyes hurts

[silver iron]

yeah, I guess I don't need to make a whole new giant type, it could just be a solitary Fire Giant who likes swimming around his tropical island

[arctic tulip]

yo i wanna make a character based on senku from dr stone, does anyone know a homebrew class that would work for this?

[brave moat]

do official D&D 5e 2024 creatures still follow the same idea that their hit dice is dictated by their size? Or are they slowly getting out of that?

its hard to give humanoid NPCs a lot of HP when their hit dice has to be a d8

[remote lance]

What powers does he have?

[arctic tulip]

none, to put it simply he has a minecraft crafting guide in his mind cuz hes smart

like hes in a world where there is 0 modern things but he knows how to progress to everything he needs

[remote lance]

Artificer sounds best

Probably with a sage background or some tools

[tepid violet]

well if your the dm, do what you want. doesnt have to be d8

[faint sonnet]

Got around to writing a proof of concept for the idea I mentioned here, and I'm still a bit unsure on the result, but I like it quite a bit, considering it feels much more...active. Necessary context is that it's meant to replace every Lightning damage cantrip, so it becomes the de-facto normal way to deal Lightning damage. (Flavor text will also come later when I determine the exact narrative visuals I want from it.)

Electrify
Wreath your hand with electricity.

Casting Time: Action
Range: Self
Components: V, S
Duration: 1 hour

You draw charge from the nearby air into your hand, causing it to crackle with electricity. The electricity lasts for 1 hour but doesn’t harm you. For the duration, you sense the location of any metallic objects within 30 feet of yourself. If you touch a metallic object, you can determine what metal(s) it is made from.

When you cast this spell, or as a Magic Action on a later turn, you can cause one of the following effects with the electricity, after which the spell ends.

Lightning Bolt (Primal Only). You project the electricity into the air and a bolt of energy strikes downwards at a space of your choice within 60 feet. A creature in that space must make a Dexterity saving throw or take 1d6 Lightning damage. If you are outdoors, each creature in or within 5 feet of that space takes an additional 1d4 Thunder damage.

Magnetism. You can pull a Tiny or Small object made of metal to your hand from up to 30 feet away.

Shocking Grasp. Make a melee spell attack against a creature within reach. On a hit, the target takes 1d8 Lightning damage and can’t make Opportunity Attacks until the start of its next turn.

Voltaic Lash (Arcane Only). Choose a creature within 30 feet. The target must succeed on a Strength saving throw or take 1d6 Lightning damage and be pulled up to 10 feet closer to you. If you pull the creature to a space within 5 feet of you, it takes an additional 1d6 Thunder damage.

Cantrip Upgrade. The Lightning damage increases when you reach levels 5 (2d6 or 2d8), 9 (3d6 or 3d8), 13 (4d6 or 4d8), and 17 (5d6 or 5d8).

[meager flume]

Ok hear me out would it be possible to make a gun that you shoot dead body's out of "not caring about logic"

And the whole thing is buffed by a bloodstone

[lavish hull]

I got the go ahead to create a future homebrew weapon i'd love my character to earn in the future but I need help as I never homebrewed anything before! For context it's a vampiric scythe. It absorbs blood to later deal extra damage OR heal the wielder. I wanted it to evolve kind of like the Vestiges of Divergence. Hate to admit it but I used Chat GPT for ideas, but I dont want to rely on it for a final product because I know it's not gonna be good lol 😅 if you can help, please DM! (If you cant DM for whatever reason lmk)

[polar stag]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iyftEmrN9k6ARviB4mVBDVIFMOqqWupr4bz13YButSk/edit?usp=drivesdk
Hey guys i made this subclass for Barbarian,its the strongest subclass for Barbarians im not gonna sugarcoat it, cuz I've balanced it to reach a warlocks power level

Odd it usually shows a preview

Anyhow was wondering if yall had any suggestions on wording changes or maybe something that isn't really reaching the power level ove set

[golden temple]

embeds aren't allowed so it doesn't show,,

[polar stag]

Man

Ok wait ill take some screenshot

[golden temple]

yyou can have it be called path of the rager,,

[polar stag]

Oh its called Path of the Party

I can't share screen shots

[golden temple]

yyes ik i was recommending a different name-

[polar stag]

Path of the Party Rager does have a nice ring to it

Can I just post it here in its entirety

Like am I allowed to do that?

[sturdy knoll]

If it's not your own creation, best to just link to it or where one can purchase it (if it's not free content)

If it's your own work, you can use a reputable file/image hosting service and link to it that way and share the link here (make sure to explain what the link is when sharing)

[polar stag]

It is a google doc of a subclass i made for Barbarian

Im posting here to get yalls thoughts on it

[midnight elk]

So I would like to introduce you to my newest homebrew:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10-jRqLd4aWMiVPyVNqAUxD-YD7gjMSV3V5afExTv_fs/edit?usp=sharing
Basically a weapon that can become any weapon

[polar stag]

Oh so google docs links do work

I've been goofing recently

[sturdy knoll]

It won't provide an embed visual but yes, Google Doc links work

[halcyon flint]

It's giving better hexblade warlocks

[midnight elk]

I still don't know what the infinity blade's special property should be.

[halcyon flint]

Maybe ignores all damage Immunity?

[midnight elk]

Or resistance

[halcyon flint]

That what i was gonna say but I couldn't spell resistance for the life of me 😭🙏

[mighty hamlet]

Hello?

I had one question if anyone is available to answer.

[scenic urchin]

is the answer shooting lightning from your hands while cackling? because thats my number 1 solution to many problems

[halcyon flint]

I have time and maybe an answer:]

[smoky sand]

whats up

[scenic urchin]

honorable mention goes to "put a dungeon inside a dragon"

[mighty hamlet]

The description of Dragonborn’s are humanoid beings with a dragonic ancestry, right?

[halcyon flint]

Yeah

[mighty hamlet]

So doesn’t that mean you could multi race with any other humanoid creature and still be a Dragonborn?

[scenic urchin]

multi racing isn't a thing by default, you'd have to homebrew one up

which ... well ... this is the place for that

[halcyon flint]

Yes however you'd look more dragonborn still just by default

[mighty hamlet]

I had a small idea for a moon elf dragonborn, I’d like some feedback and some ideas if you have any.

[royal zodiac]

Like a dragonborn with the facial features of an elf?

[mighty hamlet]

I guess you could say that, I haven’t thought of it that much.

[royal zodiac]

If you don't want to do anything mechanical, you can just "skin it"

[halcyon flint]

Is there something specific u want from the moon elf or is it jusy for aesthetic?

[mighty hamlet]

Well I was reading and it says they love learning magic, both arcane and divine.

So I was thinking a possible combination of Druid and a magic class.

[royal zodiac]

You can do it as a personality trait

[halcyon flint]

Druid is a magic class

[smoky sand]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zxDtLcHLp8Le41DMUzf0XHnRV56TbZ9ynHapceinroM/edit?usp=sharing
I think this is balanced?

[royal zodiac]

Being an elf doesn't mean you have to like magic, and being a dragonborn doesn't mean you can't have the traits you want. Like I said, you can just skin it.

[mighty hamlet]

I don’t know what “skin it” means.

I’m still partially new.

[royal zodiac]

I mean, like an appearance, nothing mechanical.

[mighty hamlet]

Oh, that makes sense.

[halcyon flint]

Barb seems a little weak with fighter getting a lot more attacks and then artficer seems to have some roleplay bonus then actual combat

I love the ranger gets like a paragraph and a half cus they're just so underwhelming basic game:]

Still one of my favorite classes lmao

[royal zodiac]

Don't worry
Technically you never stop being a novice at DnD, it's the path that's important.

[mighty hamlet]

Yeah.

Thanks.

But speaking on the line of Dragonborn’s, have you ever thought about a Dragonborn and a warforge?

[scenic urchin]

like a warforged that's shaped like a dragonborn?

[royal zodiac]

Mecha Godzilla oh yeah baby 🔥

[mighty hamlet]

A mechanical dragon or reptile.

[halcyon flint]

Wizard also seems a bit weak here tbh cus they can do that with the scribe subclass anyways

[mighty hamlet]

Robo has the right idea.

[halcyon flint]

Warforges can't reproduce so like it's not technically possible unless they're built to look like one

[smoky sand]

I meant the wizard can use Reincarnate, resurrection, revivify, and true resurrection, for example

[mighty hamlet]

That’s fair case.

Very fair.

[halcyon flint]

Hmm still a but under whelming at higher levels when a fighter gets like 5 attacks preturn and the wizard gets one but has all these spell options and not enough slots

[mighty hamlet]

Also robo, I was doing a bit more searching and found a humanoid known as a shade.

[smoky sand]

its balanced

somewhat

[mighty hamlet]

I saw that the shade has an innate connection to shadowy illusionary magic.

[halcyon flint]

Yeah definitely ^^ I'd personally just give the wizard something else
And give the barb another extra attack:]

[smoky sand]

i will try something for wizard, but barb will get 1 at 10 and 14 instead of only 11

[royal zodiac]

It sounds cool

[mighty hamlet]

Robo, if you were to have two different races using a Dragonborn a shade would actually be quite good. Shadow illusionary magic and both dark vision and breath attacks.

[smoky sand]

i know i wanna give blade singer unarmored defense where its 10+ dex mod + int mod and mage armor for them is 13 + dex mod + int mod

[halcyon flint]

Yeah that's definitely good

[smoky sand]

im still thinking for wizards in general, mind you but thats an idea i know i wanna give to at least the bladesinger wizards.

for a while

[royal zodiac]

Well, in the official game there is no such thing as combining races, but if you can manage to combine a couple of traits and keep it balanced for the game you plan to use, then go for it.

[mighty hamlet]

I don’t find it overly broken, but different DMs would have different rules and preferences.

Because the concept doesn’t seem overly OP.

[scenic urchin]

i'm open to mix and matching for a custom race but thats something I would check with your DM first before going down the road

[mighty hamlet]

Okay.

[midnight elk]

ASIDE FROM RANGERS GETTING 4 TIMES MORE BUFFS

[smoky sand]

i did the same for warlock (i based it on 2014 but its hexblade)

[royal zodiac]

The problem is that if you're patient enough, you can find small loopholes in the rules and end up doing things like the peasant cannon.

[mighty hamlet]

Hey Robo, if you were to combine the two, what would be the best class or combination of classes.

Wait…. Peasant cannon?!

[royal zodiac]

A very interesting question...

[midnight elk]

Is it a cannon that shoots peasents?

[mighty hamlet]

Wow.

[royal zodiac]

Maybe ork and tabaxi

[midnight elk]

I want one if it does

[royal zodiac]

hehe

[smoky sand]

i think its the peasant railgun?

idk

[royal zodiac]

ah yes

[smoky sand]

is that basically the peasant railgun?

[royal zodiac]

I forgot the name Xd

[midnight elk]

Even better. TAKE MY MONEY

[mighty hamlet]

Anyway, back to the question, what would be the best class to a person who could use shadow illusionary magic, as well as a breath attack.

[smoky sand]

basically, the concept is you hand the first peasant a spear or something and everyone uses their reaction to move it forward and every 10 feet is an additional 1d6 damage

[smoky sand]

shadow monk?

[royal zodiac]

Basically it's when you use a combination of prepared actions with a bunch of commoners you can throw an object at the speed of light if you have enough of them in a straight line.

[mighty hamlet]

Monk isn’t bad Loveand, but shade Dragonborn monk?

[royal zodiac]

To me sounds like monk tbh

[mighty hamlet]

Are you sure? I believe the professionals, I just can’t help but find it an interesting choice.

[smoky sand]

idk tbh

[royal zodiac]

Well, I'm not a professional lol

But I still think it's a good idea.

[mighty hamlet]

I think monk would work, I just found it interesting.

[smoky sand]

wdym?

[midnight elk]

Oh I was thinking something like an RPG that uses peasents as ammo.

[midnight elk]

Everyone gets 1 thing, rangers got at least 5 by my count.

[smoky sand]

lol that would be interesting too ngl

[mighty hamlet]

So, Robo. Going down the line of the character list, is there anything I could be missing?

[royal zodiac]

fr XD

[midnight elk]

I really want that now

[smoky sand]

well, cleric got 3 feats but thats their only thing.

Everyone else got something plus feats

[royal zodiac]

Not really. I'd say if you're doing it for a specific campaign, check with your DM. They can tell you if you're missing anything.

[midnight elk]

Just go into a village kidnap all the peasent children and go kill the bbeg

Easy

[mighty hamlet]

Alright.

[royal zodiac]

siege weapons are a thing

[smoky sand]

okay so... do you know whats even better than peasant railgun?

[midnight elk]

I prefer my method

[mighty hamlet]

Do you know any DMs that would be open to something like this?

[smoky sand]

Werewolf railgun

[royal zodiac]

Combien both

[royal zodiac]

No, im sorry. Actually im new in this server xd

[smoky sand]

Trebuchet werewolves and watch the destruction because theyre immune to bludgeoning damage that isnt magical or silver

[mighty hamlet]

Does anyone know an open DM?

I’ve never actually done a campaign before.

[smoky sand]

Homebrew... what counts

[royal zodiac]

I'm sorry to say it but fall damage ignores immunities

[smoky sand]

whut? why?

[royal zodiac]

Idk

[smoky sand]

New homebrew idea! werewolves are immune to fall damage if what theyre falling on is not magical or silver

[royal zodiac]

Maybe it would be very OP to be able to throw yourself from a 2km ravine and not take damage xd

[royal zodiac]

Yeee

[midnight elk]

Give a pack of werewolves parachutes and teleport them approx 50ft above the bbeg and watch the chaos.

[graceful matrix]

Because fall damage is not from an attack or weapon

[mighty hamlet]

Technically loveand is right.

If it’s not magical or silver then it shouldn’t technically damage them.

[midnight elk]

ARMY OF WEREWOLVES FALLING AT TERMINAL VELOCITY

[scenic urchin]

no no, werewolves take fall damage

[mighty hamlet]

Acid is back.

[midnight elk]

Idea

[scenic urchin]

i ate a potato

[midnight elk]

Acid gun

gun that shoots acid

[mighty hamlet]

Isn’t that already a thing?

[royal zodiac]

Maybe

[mighty hamlet]

Acid breath or poison shot or something, a poison spell?

[midnight elk]

Fine, molten tungsten gun

[mighty hamlet]

He’s persistent at least.

[midnight elk]

One of tungsten's unique properties is its very high melting point of 3,422°C (6,191.6°F). This is the highest melting point of any metal.

[graceful matrix]

"Damage Immunities Bludgeoning, Piercing, and Slashing from Nonmagical Attacks that aren't Silvered"

Falling isn't an attack

[royal zodiac]

The laws of universe attacks you xd

[graceful matrix]

Lol

[midnight elk]

What if they are falling because they were teleported by a player??

[mighty hamlet]

Does anyone know a DM? Or at least where to talk to one?

[royal zodiac]

https://discord.com/channels/516367331358801950/1241960756858060881

[mighty hamlet]

Wow, that’s oddly convenient.

[midnight elk]

I like potatoes stuffed with pickles.

[scenic urchin]

never tried that

[smoky sand]

Whats your favorite homebrew rule?

[rotund dirge]

Made my own version of Warrior of the Elements, what do you guys think?

https://homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/share/1q5laDtCUPlwxI3Ok19J6DHyjLUrMyfs9iGOGBZiU_z7e

[shut night]

Does anybody have a template or a formula for when a player character is killed and animated as a zombie? It doesn't feel right to just have it be the Zombie stat block, but they also naturally wouldn't have all of their abilities

Specifically with said zombified PC being intended to be hostile to or similarly employed against the other player characters

[true forge]

reborn

[shut night]

I don't mean for them being reanimated and playing as themselves still they'd become an enemy, they're being killed and raised as a straight up zombie

[stone fjord]

I have a six sided die from a god. The name of the effect for 2 is "Whimsical Woe", any ideas for a good effect? Preferably some kind of debuff against the enemy that might apply to allies if it rolls badly. Not status conditions though.

[true forge]

if they still have the class levels and such, you can just use the PC's sheet and add reborns things onto it as a monster sheet

[shut night]

No, I'm not using PC sheets as enemies they are very imbalanced when used as enemies

[true forge]

could just nerf them maybe? the time being dead removed something? idk, im not good at this sort of thing :P

[shut night]

You don't understand

They're not playing the character anymore they're dead, they're done

Death saves failed they are no more; and a necromancer is raising their body as a zombie to fight the rest of the party

[true forge]

oh no thats not what i meant, i meaning you use the sheet and play it as a monster (or add the class features and stuff onto a monster)

[stone fjord]

Hmmm

[shut night]

Yes I've already said that's not what I'm talking abuot, I said before that I mean when the PC is killed and their corpse animated as a zombie by an evil creature

[stone fjord]

You could custom build a zombie statblock for them

Remove some spells and give them undead fortitude,

[lucid cradle]

the way I'd go by this is effectively replacing all the scores and buffing up the player character, as it's really hard for PCs to translate into monsters at certain CRs

[stone fjord]

Make them a high level undead

[lucid cradle]

you'll likely have to go through some monsters with similar CRs of what youre going for and adjust accordingly

[stone fjord]

I would use their character sheet, pick and choose bits and pieces like memories of their levels or certain features

[lucid cradle]

but it depends from character to character, like for example I dont think a paladin would retain any spells since they're dead and their oath is gone

[stone fjord]

And put it onto a strong Undead monstert statblock

Anybody got a good idea for a debuff effect, but not conditions?

[true forge]

for?

its it for a subclass, item, ect ect

[shut night]

It magically compels you to laugh, sing, or cheer playfully against your will. You cannot communicate clearly/effectively and you cannot cast any spells that have verbal components, nor can you maintain concentration.

[stone fjord]

Item

[stone fjord]

So it's Otto's dance?

[shut night]

Otto's dance consumes your movement speed at the start of your turn

[stone fjord]

I meant on the fail

On a failed save, the target has the Charmed condition for the duration. While Charmed, the target dances comically, must use all its movement to dance in place, and has Disadvantage on Dexterity saving throws and attack rolls, and other creatures have Advantage on attack rolls against it. On each of its turns, the target can take an action to collect itself and repeat the save, ending the spell on itself on a success.

I like yours though

It does fit the whimsy

[languid crow]

what are saytr traits? im making a forest goddes who was a saytr and im gonna give her goat stats

[mystic tusk]

If you were to make a dragon stat block that can scale with player level would you add spell slots to the dragon to avoid being able to be super over powered?

[faint sonnet]

@stuck raptor, bonfire came back (kinda).

Ignite
You create a flame in your hands.

Casting Time: Action
Range: Self
Components: V, S
Duration: 1 hour

You create a flame that hovers in your hand and emits Bright Light in a 10-foot-radius and Dim Light for an additional 10 feet. The flame lasts for the duration and provides warmth but doesn’t harm you.

When you cast this spell, or as a Magic Action on a later turn, you can cause one of the following effects with the flame, after which the spell ends.

Balefire (Primal Only). You create a sudden fire in a space on the ground within 60 feet. A creature in that space must make a Dexterity saving throw or take 1d8 Fire damage. A flammable object in the space has the Burning condition if it isn’t being worn or carried.

Kindle. You instantaneously light a candle, a torch, or a small campfire within 60 feet.

Searing Palm. Make a melee spell attack against a creature within reach. On a hit, the target takes 1d10 Fire damage and has the Burning condition.

Fire Bolt (Arcane Only). Choose a creature or object within 90 feet. Make a ranged spell attack against the target. On a hit, the target takes 1d10 Fire damage. A flammable object hit by this spell has the Burning condition if it isn’t being worn or carried.

Cantrip Upgrade. The Fire damage increases when you reach levels 5 (2d8 or 2d10), 9 (3d8 or 3d10), 13 (4d8 or 4d10), and 17 (5d8 or 5d10).

[unique parrot]

Wdym? As an ally or enemy?
Adding spell slots instead of infinite slots? Typically monster stat blocks use per-day casting since it can be easier to track

[mystic tusk]

Ally

Once per day does sound easier

[unique parrot]

Is it a class/subclass feature or separate?

[mystic tusk]

Separate

The idea is the dragon scales with the party gets more Hp or damage dice as they level

[unique parrot]

Spell slots or per day is typical (2014 they had some that used slots, it’s all per day casting in 2024 iirc)

[unique parrot]

There’s the Sidekick from Tasha’s Cauldron of Everything, could use that as a base

Although it’s made to not outshine player characters

[mystic tusk]

I was thinking of giving them cantrips of the dragon types element

Or the idea of a lesser dragon the npc can turn into this form twice a day like a wild shape and like a mini dragon more humanoid just gives them wings and a breath attack

[mystic tusk]

I’ll definitely check it out

[tacit leaf]

I haven’t been keeping up with this project too heavily when did the primal/arcane split happen that seems like a good system to detail them for different flavours of magic

[faint sonnet]

Literally yesterday

I realized that trying to provide a single ranged cantrip option didn't always work when the justifications for how that magic worked differed between the types.

[heady stream]

So I converted Pf2e ability score creation for 5e, as alternative to point buy. Any feedback? https://homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/share/Yj4O0FsxmkOG

[south hound]

okay so im mkaing a Homebrew Warlock subclass called Pestilent patron, which in short is simply you become a servant of my Pestilent dragon lord(god) malados the dragon god of sickness disease and death, think nurgle but a dragon, agaisnt an entire dinosaur pantheon of sauron gods, im not exactly sure what spells to give the subclass i wanted to see what you guys thought,

[true forge]

warlock patrons, much like cleric gods, are open to the player, if i choose fiend, i have alot of demons and devils to choose, making a patron with only 1 option is abit of a bore lol

[rotund dirge]

I think that depends

The third-party Crooked Moon book has 2 Warlock subclasses, the Great Fool Patron and the Horned King Patron

They're both based on a single creature each

It's not the usual for PHB, but since it's homebrew, it's not a problem

Also, i think it makes sense if it's a setting specific subclass

[boreal ingot]

Oy

Im looking for a homebrew about spell breakers

[true forge]

i mean, i would say any fey/trickster and bug/horned creature could be either of them

if we remove CM from it

[rotund dirge]

Great Fool is heavily about clowns, so it wouldn't really make sense

[rotund dirge]

Class? Subclass? Another player option?

[rotund dirge]

And Horned King is more like a "witch"/"occultist" subclass that is all about curses and stuff like that

[boreal ingot]

Kind of obscure knowledge but there’s a unit in Warcraft 3 that exists only to deal with and dispose mages and their summons.

[true forge]

ah

so hags and stuff instead

[rotund dirge]

A bug or horned creature definitely wouldn't fit

[true forge]

(the name without knowing the creature is very misleading)

[rotund dirge]

Yeah, that would make a bit more sense

[boreal ingot]

liquipedia.net/warcraft/Spell_Breaker

[rotund dirge]

Spellbreaker Paladin, from Griffon's Saddlebag 2

[true forge]

was going to suggest that lol

wait it was spelldrinker wasnt it?

[boreal ingot]

Oh boy, that sure was fast

[true forge]

not spellbreaker?

[boreal ingot]

You guys are awesome

I’ve managed to find one for dnd 3.5

And two for 5e

[rotund dirge]

It is lol, mb

[true forge]

thought so lol

[rotund dirge]

I think i remember the name Spellbreaker from somewhere else

[true forge]

oh yeah

[boreal ingot]

I can’t post links for like 25 minutes now

[true forge]

Inquisitive cleric aswell

[rotund dirge]

Literally the unit in the link they sent

[true forge]

lol

[rotund dirge]

Which is odd because i've never played Warcraft

[boreal ingot]

www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Spellbreaker_(5e_Class)

Here’s the 5e one

3.5 one has a problem of having dead levels

But the 5e is more generic

Not necessarily a bad thing

[rotund dirge]

There is the Monster Slayer subclass for Ranger too, but it's not that much about anti-magic

[true forge]

NONONONO WAIT WAIT WAIT

dont use dandwiki please

[boreal ingot]

Why?

[rotund dirge]

Broken

[true forge]

it is filled with questionable balanced brews

[boreal ingot]

As in unbalanced?

Aight

[true forge]

OP, underpowered, just weird

[boreal ingot]

So, is there a tested and balanced one?

[true forge]

if you look on Homebrewery or GM binder, most are pretty good

Preserve and Raze

6th level Circle of the Creator feature

The earth hears your call. While you are in your Aspect of the Earth form, you emit a 10 foot aura which rocks and stones hover around you. Once per turn if an allied creature enters this aura or starts their turn within it, they gain temp HP equal to your Wisdom modifier. If a hostile creature enters this aura, they must make a Dexterity saving throw against your Spell Save DC. On a fail, that creature is restrained until the end of your next turn.

i think this works

[rotund dirge]

I don't get why allies would get THP from rocks

[boreal ingot]

Bruh

[true forge]

well, i was think temp AC but that felt abit much lol

[boreal ingot]

I can’t write website name

I got timed out twice

[boreal ingot]

Thanks for your help

[rotund dirge]

I think just +1 AC wouldn't be too much

[true forge]

well, wouldnt you be effected by it?

as you are an allied creature (tbh i forget lol)

[rotund dirge]

Don't you also get the THP from the current feature?

[true forge]

true....

[boreal ingot]

Seems like homebrewery doesn’t work on phone

[rotund dirge]

Though i think it's fine, it's not the first time i've seen THP being associated with rock/stone/earth

[boreal ingot]

Completely incomprehensible

[true forge]

well this subclass hass defence in spades at 2nd level lol

[boreal ingot]

Then GM binder just 505 lol

[true forge]

resistance to B P or S by spending a WS charge along with other benefits

for a minute

[rotund dirge]

It's just that AC feels more like a "permanent" defense, like an armor of rocks, while THP feels more like a "fragile" one, like Armor of Agathys, which shatters

[true forge]

well that was the plan with the Temp HP

so works for me :)

[rotund dirge]

np then lol

[true forge]

time for big upgrade to the form for 10th level :D

and big is fun

[nova basin]

Shielding effects are super common earth themes

Easiest way to visualize it is rocks floating around you blocking attacks or projectiles

Or you could go the esoteric route but it's flavor at that point

Oh yall just had this convo oops

[rotund dirge]

Yeah lol

[rotund dirge]

I think if someone were to make a earth/stone/rock based caster, either a class or subclass, at least half Earth spells would have to be defensive

Since there aren't too many spells of that theme

[nova basin]

Comes down to flavor

Blade ward could be rocks

Armor of agathys could be rocks if your dm is cool

Specifically earthen spells are pretty lacking tho, yeah

Very polarized on fun for flavor vs high level crazy stuff

[rotund dirge]

I was making spell lists for each element and even stuff like Shield of Faith, Entangle and Spike Growth became part of the Earth list

[mighty hamlet]

If you’re making a list of spells based on elements then you would have to be sure whether one spell is that specific element, it does sound like an interesting idea though.

[rotund dirge]

Wdym?

[mighty hamlet]

Well I just think you should make sure that the spell is said element and not something else.

[rotund dirge]

For these specific spells i mentioned, they clearly aren't spells themed around Earth, but could easily be reflavored as such

That's why i added them to a separate list called "Pseudo-Earth Spells"

[smoky sand]

would a spell be op if it dealt 1d12 of all types of damage?

its gonna be 4th-5th level and it increases by 1d12 for each level above the base level spell slot

[frank berry]

Do you mean like one cast doing 1d12 fire + 1d12 cold + 1d12 poison, etc. etc. resulting in what, 13d12 damage?

[smoky sand]

yes

[frank berry]

Yes, that would be pretty op for that level

Not to mention potentially annoying to go through each time

Also not sure how upcasting would work. If it just adds 1d12 to each damage type, you'd literally be doubling the spell's damage, making it absolutely busted

[smoky sand]

so if I made it 1st level spell, it would be too OP if cast at 9th level?

[frank berry]

It would be op to cast even at 1st level

Average of 78 damage (ignoring potential resistance or weakness) is ridiculous

[smoky sand]

Would it be bad if I said i made an item that can make anything deal max damage and ignore resistances and treat immunities as resistance?

[rotund dirge]

I could see a 9th level spell like that that deals 1d6 of each damage type, though, resulting in 13d6

[frank berry]

I feel at that point you wouldn't really be playing D&D, and instead you've just given the players a gun that is infinitely better than any character feature they would have, making it meaningless

Oh yeah it would sound pretty fitting as a gimmicky 9th level spell

[smoky sand]

excellent... then its settled. it will be a gimmicky 9th level spell

[rotund dirge]

Maybe a 1d4 instead, but i don't think 13d6 is too bad

Considering most creatures at that point will resist at least one of those damage types

Sometimes they will be completely immune

[sweet heart]

is there a way to source homebrew classes into dnd beyond

[sturdy knoll]

What do you mean?

Like full classes? Not likely until the developers have found a reasonable solution to "make a whole class without needing backend database access and tooling"

[sweet heart]

full classes yh, have a homebrew gunslinger i want to play but are clueless on how to implement it for personal use

[wet yarrow]

Other VTTs are likely the way to go if you want to do that. Foundry comes to mind.

[sweet heart]

hes using beyond to paste to foundry

[sturdy knoll]

Yeah - I'd suggest a different tool then (or even paper/PDF sheet).
The DnDBeyond devs are aware of the community desire to create/manage full classes (not just subclasses) in homebrew.

Just not possible right now.

[wet yarrow]

That makes sense, but I think DDB is pretty closed off atm.

Ye.

[sweet heart]

good to know

[sweet heart]

already got MPMB's sheet for it 👌

[wet yarrow]

Though I wouldnt be surprised if moving forward Maps and DDB expand on functionality and tool access

[sturdy knoll]

Quite possible - I do think one of the biggest roadblocks is that to create a whole new class, the DDB devs have to create things at a database level that the DDB homebrew tools can't.

[wet yarrow]

Yeah. I imagine there's some tricky backend stuff to get around.

[true forge]

oh wait you havent seen the spell list for this druid right?

[rotund dirge]

No lol

[true forge]

Circle Spells

2nd-level Circle of the Creator feature
:
Your connection to the earth and the very lands of which nature grows grants you access to some spells when you reach certain levels in this class, as shown on the Circle of the Creator Spells table.
:
Once you gain access to one of these spells, you always have it prepared, and it doesn’t count against the number of spells you can prepare each day. If you gain access to a spell that doesn’t appear on the druid spell list, the spell is nonetheless a druid spell for you.

Circle of the Creator Spells

Druid Level	Spells
1st	Catapult,Earth Tremor
3rd	Earthbind, Maximilian’s Earthen Grasp
5th	Erupting Earth,Wall of Sand
7th	Hallucinatory Terrain, Summon Elemental (Earth only)
9th	Passwall,Transmute Rock

these spells are from a different subclass of mine, but they fit so :P

if only land druid wasnt a thing, other wise that would of been the name for this thing lol

[bitter whale]

im making a fire paladin subclass - oath of clensing, and am wandering what would be a good 1st level spell to give it in the expanded spellist. So far i was thinking one utility spell like detect poison and disease, and one combat spell like burning hands, or hellish rebuke mabey ? but these spells seem a bit underwhelming, so do you have any suggestions what could be better ?

[true forge]

if you want a fire based untity spell, create bonfire/continuous flame

although one is a cantrip, and the other is a 2nd level spell from memory

[bitter whale]

ye i need a first level spell that would fit the subclass

mabey absorb elements ?

[true forge]

hmmmm

[rotund dirge]

Faerie Fire

[true forge]

oh right

forgot about that

[rotund dirge]

Why Hallucinatory Terrain thlugh

[true forge]

to mimic you altering the earth in a large area

[rotund dirge]

An Earth Druid would probably just shape the terrain rather than mimic it

[true forge]

well they will/are

10th level is something to do with altering the battlefield/earth

Rolling Stone

10th level Circle of the Creator feature

You become a force to be reckoning with. While in your Aspect of the Earth form, you gain the following benefits.

• You can make 2 attacks with an Earthen Weapon instead of one when you take the Attack action.
• You gain an increase to your AC equal to half your Wisdom modifier
• You can take the Dash action as a bonus action, when you move after you dash, you leave a 5 foot wide trail of magical rock behind you which lasts until the start of your next turn. When a creature walks over this trail, they must make a Strength saving throw against your Spell Save DC. on a fail, the creature cannot go past the trail for the rest of their turn and takes 1d10 bludgeoning damage, as the rocks you kick up force the creature to be pushed away.

i think thats worded good?

should do something about jumping....

[peak inlet]

I think the first effect could be given at 6th level and the second effect at 2nd level

but since I’m assuming you only want wording recommendations, I would say instead of “reckoning” you should use “reckoned” and for the 3rd effect, I would say you gotta set their speed to 0 or knock them prone on a fail instead

because “cannot go past the trail” doesn’t really mean anything in terms of game language

I also think 1d10 is pretty low for a level 10 feature

[peak inlet]

you should also change the level from 1st to 2nd (in the spell list levels)

[true forge]

Ah, it did copy and paste the thing from another sub i did before

[true forge]

At 2nd level they get an unarmored AC so i dont think even more AC is needed there lol

[peak inlet]

if you already have an unarmored defense, you don’t need more passive AC at all

something like a free shield would work better

imo

Druids also get shields and Barkskin

[true forge]

That doesn't mean they have to use them :P

[peak inlet]

yeh, but this stacks with them

[true forge]

Anyway, one of the features is tied to your Earthen Weapon's range, so its better to use reach weapons

[peak inlet]

can’t you just use a Light Crossbow?

[true forge]

Which, the only 1 handed with reach is a whip, which isnt the best

[true forge]

Its melee

[peak inlet]

I feel like that restricts builds too much

but it’s your subclass so idk

[true forge]

...

Its a gish druid

Ive said that lol

[peak inlet]

but Druids have Shillelagh, they’re much more built towards a one-handed combat style

Shillelagh + Shield

that’s already built-in

it’s fine to allow more stuff

but you’re making it sound like they’re only ever going to use Two-Handed Reach weapons

[true forge]

Earthen Armoury

2nd-level Circle of the Creator feature
:
Your druidic duties requires you to be protected, the earth provides. When you arent wearing any armour, your AC equals 13 + your Wisdom modifier.
:
In addition, you gain proficiency in martial melee weapons. Also you can, as an action while holding a simple or martial melee weapon, causing the earth to surround the weapon, turing it into a Earthen Weapon. This weapon now uses your Wisdom modifier instead of your Strength or Dexterity modifier for attack and damage rolls. The weapon cannot willing leave your hands and as a bonus action, you can summon the weapon back to your hands as long as it is in the same plane of existence as you.
:
You can spend a bonus action to turn the weapon back to normal.

Aspect of the Earth

2nd-level Circle of the Creator feature
:
Your connection to the lands has altered you. As a bonus action and spending 1 Wildshape charge, you can cause all the nearby rocks and stones to condense around your body, becoming the Aspect of the Earth. During this minute, you gain the following benefits:

• You gain resistance to bludgeoning, slashing or piercing damage, you choose when you enter this form.
• Your melee weapon attacks deal an extra 1d6 bludgeoning damage on hit.
• As an action, you can send a Rock Blast forwards, causing all creatures within the range of your Earthen Weapon to make a Dexterity saving throw against your Spell Save DC, on a fail, the creature takes 1d6 bludgeoning damage and the creature cannot take reactions till the end of its next turn.

[true forge]

That was the goal of the subclass as it was based off something

[peak inlet]

does 2014 Druid not get Warden?

[true forge]

But now its based off a more general thing

[true forge]

Nope

[peak inlet]

alright

[true forge]

Now you can see why it is melee weapon only right?

[peak inlet]

I mean you could also just use the AoE option and ignore the melee thing

nvm

you can’t turn it into an Earthen weapon

I would probably replace the whole Earthen Weapon thing with a Shillelagh upgrade

[true forge]

Thats very 2024 coded lol

[peak inlet]

fair enough, I’m 2024

so I’m probably thinking mostly in terms of 2024

[true forge]

Prob

Might make rock blast into an attack action thing

Mainly to work with extra attack thingie

[stuck raptor]

Yesss

[faint sonnet]

I'm actually quite hyped about this direction, because it feels really unified.

[stuck raptor]

depending on the dragon's age (and ofc the spell given), most monsters getting spells actually wont be more "powerful" compared to just using their normal effects.

[torn fjord]

I'm looking to make some homebrew temporary curses that affect the player characters' minds.

some stuff like a Curse of Selfishness that makes it so that for one day, no one but you can benefit from any beneficial spells you cast, or a Curse of the Clean Freak, which compels you to ensure all your equipment is in pristine condition, and desperately avoid any blood or other mess getting on you

I'd like to have enough of these to make at least a d6 table. Anyone have some suggestions?

[faint sonnet]

• Curse of Forgetting
• Curse of Hoarding
• Curse of Nervousness
• Curse of Gullibility

[torn fjord]

a Curse of Forgetfulness could be good, probably would give disadvantage on concentration checks, but idk about the others there. ideally these curses need to have an effect on both roleplay and combat

[faint sonnet]

Ahh, didn't know you wanted stuff to have an effect on both combat and roleplay.

[torn fjord]

yeah, that was my bad for not clarifying

here's what I've got so far

Curse of Selfishness

• You can't target anyone other than yourself with a beneficial spell or feature, and any that would affect allies in range instead grant only you their benefit.

Curse of the Clean Freak

• You're compelled to ensure all of your possessions are in pristine condition, prioritizing this over anything short of an immediate danger to yourself or your allies. In combat, you have disadvantage on any attack that might risk dirtying your equipment.

Curse of the Bizarre Star

• You feel compelled to dramatically pose at certain moments, even if it would normally be unwise to do so. You have disadvantage on Stealth and Persuasion checks, and advantage on Intimidation checks. During combat, at the end of your turn, roll a d6. On a 1, you have a -2 penalty to your AC until the start of your next turn.

Curse of Forgetfulness

• You find that you have trouble remembering things, both recent and long past. You have disadvantage on History checks, and on concentration saving throws.

[smoky sand]

i like these tbh

[torn fjord]

i just need flavor text for the Curse of Selfishness, and then two more curses to fill the d6 table

[smoky sand]

are you familiar with mario kart world by chance? its because i do have an idea

[torn fjord]

haven't played it and have no intentions to, but I'm vaguely familiar

[smoky sand]

Well, one of the items causes racers to become other racers. my curse would be kinda like that where you do become a different species for 1d4 turns

[torn fjord]

I can see where that might affect roleplay, but mechanically changing into a different race is very complex and doesn't really have much impact beyond changing your racial features

[smoky sand]

my other curse idea atm is being under the effects of hunters mark/Hex for 1d6 turns

[tacit leaf]

@rotund dirge If you're interested

oh no, reading it now and it is not my best

[rotund dirge]

As a magic action

Minor spelling mistake

[rotund dirge]

I really like it, it feels draconic (it even has a Breath Weapon!) without being too similar to Sorcerer

I just think the capstone is a little out of place, idk

[tacit leaf]

Yeah the idea was like "summon the hoard", but it has a little too much going on

[rotund dirge]

I think the idea is cool

But then, you have this:

• You can make creatures Charmed
• You can use the Majestify option without costs
• Majestify conditions: Charmed or Frightened

[tacit leaf]

There's definitely an overlap, I didn't catch that

I think at the time I was thinking "charm the people in it, then if there are enemies outside the hoard, you can blast them with free mastifys" but that's a niche scenario

[rotund dirge]

Also, the Majestify option doesn't have a limit, so with the capstone, you can use Eldritch Blast and use it with 4 different creatures in a single turn

[rotund dirge]

I imagined this would be your train of thought lol

[tacit leaf]

or you just spam Empower

[rotund dirge]

Enpower is once per turn tho

[tacit leaf]

oh right

lemme uh

[smoky sand]

Would you homebrew capstones if theyre underwhelming

[tacit leaf]

for what class/subclass?

[tacit leaf]

idk if my edits come through on the published doc, but changed Majestify to 1/turn

[smoky sand]

ranger in general, horizon walker and monster slayer but i might rework some of the subclass features so theyre on the same level as at least swarmkeeper

[rotund dirge]

Sure

[tacit leaf]

yeah I'd do it

[rotund dirge]

@tacit leaf, now that while we're at it, could you also review my subclass?

https://homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/share/iGOGBZiU_z7e

It's a version of Warrior of the Elements that is just a little different

It's more about the 4 elements than the 5* D&D ones

-# *Acid, Fire, Cold, Lighting and Thunder

[tacit leaf]

yea for sure

[crisp horizon]

how do you add Unarmored Defense as a feature to a subclass in ddb

[tacit leaf]

I think in Elemental Attunement you don't need the table, because you can use any of them any time anyway, and there's no interaction between the damage types and the corresponding element mechanically.

Going in I thought the damage types would matter because they aligned with different elements.

Overall though I really like it. It feels more flavourful than OneDnD Elements monk, and has some utility that corresponds to actual elements, rather than just chromatic damage types

[rotund dirge]

They kinda do

[tacit leaf]

What i mean is you can delete the table, just list the damage types without the elemental attributions and the subclass functions the same

[rotund dirge]

Here a few things i think i should change:

• Making Greater Manipulation part of the Manipulate Elements feature
• Making each Elemental Burst option have its own set AoE instead of choosing in the moment of the casting, but allowing the Avatar of the Elements to also mix and match, just like the damage types
• Giving each element a different capstone effect rather than a generic, universal one

So it would be like:

Option 1 -Avatar of the Elements
Option 2 - Fire Capstone
Option 3 - Etc

[tacit leaf]

for simplicity, I'd keep the shapes the same as it is. moment-to-moment having to remember which damage type does which shape is a layer of complexity i think the subclass doesn't need

but I'd absolutely move greater manipulation down to level 3 yeah

[rotund dirge]

I thought it would be the opposite lol

But now that you say it, it actually makes sense

[tacit leaf]

Level 17: Cantrip Upgrade
doesn't have the same impact as
Level 3: Cantrip Upgrade

[rotund dirge]

What capstone effect woud you give to each element?

The only ideas i have are generic themes, like:

Water: ?
Earth: Control or Defense
Fire: Damage
Air: Movement

[stuck raptor]

Healing/support/control

[tacit leaf]

water sometimes defaults to either pushing or slowing movement

[rotund dirge]

I think i should leave Water as control and Earth as defense, yeah

I kinda understand Water as healing like most people flavor it but it feels weird

[stuck raptor]

Ask Avatar

buit i think its because of how associated water is to. Well, life

without it, most Earth organisms just die

[rotund dirge]

Yeah, i know

But i don't usually look at characters with Water powers and go "they sure look like good healers"

Maybe Percy Jackson who can heal himself while in water

[nova basin]

Katara? Nami?

[rotund dirge]

Oh, Nami is a good one

[smoky sand]

would it be homebrew if i gave Bladesinger and hexlock unarmored defense similar to Dance bard, monks, and barbarians?

[rotund dirge]

Yeah

[nova basin]

Homebrew and probably broken

[stuck raptor]

not really?

+INT to whatever base AC they have is already a lot stronger

[rotund dirge]

But i was doing about making something that interacts with Monk features, like:

Water: Stunning Strike?
Earth: Patient Defense or Deflect Attacks/Energy
Fire: Flurry of Blows
Air: Step of the Wind or Feather Fall

[nova basin]

10+dex+casting stat is crazy and you know that

[stuck raptor]

specially when you realize bladesingers can still use studded leather

and its +x versions

[smoky sand]

can bladesingers use martial weapons?

[stuck raptor]

AC bonuses are much more crazy than Unarmored defense, even if the stats used are more SAD

[smoky sand]

its so i know what not to buff already

[nova basin]

Sure but unarmored defense is a solid option until you get bonus armors

[stuck raptor]

Ehhh, outside of monk, most are better trying to get med armor

[heady stream]

yes, though they arent proficient in most of them without extra features from class or species

[smoky sand]

im going under the assumption that someone isnt using +x armor.

[nova basin]

Switch stunning and deflect

Rock go bonk

Water redirection themes

[smoky sand]

also i have this unarmored defense work with Mage armor and shields

I might do something similar to sorcerers tbh

[nova basin]

Shields sure but wdym work with mage armor

That sets your ac, it's not a bonus

[smoky sand]

ooof

Well, i know what im doing

are bladesingers proficient with shields? because if not, im adding that to my homebrew

theyre not? okay

[peak inlet]

they’re not allowed to use shields

[faint sonnet]

That feel when you find a word that means EXACTLY what you need super quickly

Last step for Earth is figuring out a small QOL ability that isn't about controlling existing earth

For a bit of context, it should be on par with pulling a small metallic object to your hand from a distance or lighting something like a torch from range.

[tacit leaf]

what are the 'abilities' of the cantrip thus far?

[faint sonnet]

Excavate
You pull soil or rock from the ground into your hand, causing it to constantly shift and reform.

Casting Time: Action
Range: Self
Components: V, S
Duration: 1 hour

You must be within 30 feet of the ground to cast this spell. For the duration, you have Tremorsense with a range of 10 feet and you can sense when you walk over underground water or minerals no deeper than 10 feet below the surface.

When you cast this spell, or as a Magic Action on a later turn, you can cause one of the following effects, after which the spell ends.

Upbreak (Primal Only). Choose a space on the ground within 60 feet. A creature in that space must make a Strength saving throw or take 1d8 Bludgeoning damage and be pushed up to 5 feet in a direction of your choice.

You don’t need to see the space and it can be behind Full Cover, but a manufactured barrier that extends underground blocks the spell.

Engrave. You can carve out part of a stone object or surface within reach. You can carve out no more than 1 cubic foot of material, and you can carve no deeper than 3 inches.

Earthen Strike. Make a melee spell attack against a creature on the ground within reach. On a hit, the target takes 1d6 Bludgeoning damage and has the Prone condition.

Stoneshot (Arcane Only). Make a ranged spell attack against a creature or object within 90 feet. On a hit, the target takes 1d8 Bludgeoning damage and is pushed 10 feet away from you.

Cantrip Upgrade. The Bludgeoning damage increases when you reach levels 5 (2d6 or 2d8), 9 (3d6 or 3d8), 13 (4d6 or 4d8), and 17 (5d6 or 5d8).

[tacit leaf]

could be summoning a Tiny clay object, but actually that's crazy above what the other QoLs do

clearing 5-foot square of difficult terrain made of stone or dirt?

oh wait no existing stone

[faint sonnet]

To give a bit of elaboration (and why it's difficult to figure out): The idea is that there will be at least two spells for each of these themes, with the first spell being about "creating" the element/theme and being more combat oriented. The second spell for each theme will be more hard utility and focus around controlling the already existing element/theme.

How I have it described in my notes is:

Cantrip: Creation / Manipulation

[tacit leaf]

maybe you can create the tiny object, but it disappears at the end of the turn after you make it, and/or its noticeably soft so using it for keys or damage-dealing doesn't work

[faint sonnet]

Yeah, using the spell's earth that was yoinked is definitely something I've been mulling over and just trying to figure out if/how to work with it.

[tacit leaf]

with the idea you can use it to communicate visual ideas through sculpture. although that's too weak

you could actually pull a list of objects from the PHB equipment section

to restrict it a lil', but then within those objects people have creativity

Ball Bearings, Bucket, Caltrops, Crowbar etc.
things you could feasibly make from stone

[dull bobcat]

Coming here from #dm-discussion
Im trying to stat an Ancient Gold Dragon Dracolitch Demigod who is the patron of my party's warlock

[faint sonnet]

The hardest part is treading the line where you're modifying existing stuff without actually manipulating it, though that does give me the idea that this could be used to "carve" stuff in surfaces, which I actually quite like.

[sturdy pasture]

Also, another question. If I make a Ring of Spell Storing have their stored spell vanish on a long rest is that enough to drop it to an Uncommon magic item?

[grim lark]

Here's my attempt at a v. Rare/legendary combat potion(that I still need a name for)

This ~~ potion ~~ is a combination of all the local street drugs. It comes in with 3 doses. You can take up to three at a time for maximum effect, or just one or two to save later. The effects last for one minute after the first dose. The effects for each dose are as follows:

Regardless of how many doses you take, you must make a DC 15 Con save¹ or you treat each creature within sight as a hostile enemy.

1 dose benefits: gain 10 temporary hp and the benefits of a rage(+2 rage damage)
1 dose side effects: lose 1d6 hp at the start of your turn, if you have no temporary hp, lose 2d6 hp instead.

2 doses benefits: whenever you make a melee attack, add 1d6 of the weapons damage type.
2 doses side effects: attacks against you have advantage.

3 doses benefits: when you take the attack action, you gain an additional attack(yes, it stacks)
3 doses side effects: at the end of your turn, if you did not attack the closest enemy, you become paralyzed until the start of your turn.

¹ the DC does increase by +2 for each dose beyond the first.

[dull bobcat]

A specific details about them is they like giving certain worshippers a dark gift that turns them into essentially were-dragonborn

[tacit leaf]

lemme pull up both statblocks but while I do, what's the nature of their demigod-ness? As in, how was it achieved and/or do they have a domain they preside over or such?

also just to clarify, they're evil af right?

[lean elk]

If they arent gonna fight i think a list of feats theyre capable of is better than statting it out personally

If they are gonna fight dear god

[tacit leaf]

this is also very true. some things are just simply not fightable in campaign

[faint sonnet]

I wouldn't expect True Strike to cause an issue if you get rid of the requirement to use a weapon, especially because it's more of a nerf than a buff in most use cases.

[lean elk]

Ancient Gold Dragon Dracolich Demigod just sounds like something that would be so strong a statblock becomes a restriction for them

[sturdy pasture]

Fair enough! I think I agree, but I wanted some opinions ^^

[stuck raptor]

You could just turn a Gold Metallic Greatywrm Undead

and add some spells

[lean elk]

Yeah thats the other easy approach

All these things have blocks, just mash em together haha

[sturdy pasture]

What about this, any insights?

[faint sonnet]

I'd also say this would work, yeah. It'd be a strong uncommon, though, so I'd likely make it where it can only store up to 3 levels of spells at a time.

[sturdy pasture]

Nice! Initially I was going to limit it too, so I wasn't too far off. Thanks Tamms ^^

[smoky sand]

thank you

[smoky sand]

i like it

[peak inlet]

is this 2024 or 2014?

[grim lark]

Any ideas for a name?

[peak inlet]

I specifically don’t think so because of Warlocks

but if you don’t have a Warlock and you make it 3 spell levels, it can be Uncommon imo

or if you make it specifically only work with regular spell slots and not pact slots

[full moon]

bit of a long post, sorry:

hey peoples, i have a question for y'all, how do you implement crafting in your games?

• my dm and I are having an issue of making crafting worth the time investment, but also not being overpowered, and also balancing what enemies would also have access to,
  • his argument is that nothing the players make will ever be unique, as there are beings who are more component, powerful, and resource rich than the party crafters, so anything we make should already be available to the enemies we face,
  • my argument is that innovation should come from the players, as if everything is already made, then crafting loses its meaning if we can just buy everything eventually, since it already exists,
    we both agree with each other on a certain level, but with the crafting rules in the 2014 PHB and XGtE being so poor quality, we're trying to implement the DM's crafting logic into the game, and while its not an issue for now, he's afraid of the chance of his players exploiting his crafting system, which i don't want to happen.

i'm playing lvl 6 artificer, so with the recent expertise in all tools, the discussion is still at its infancy, but i'm honestly starting to think that crafting just isn't worth the hassle, how have y'all implemented crafting that's worked for your games?

[peak inlet]

I only allow non-magical items to be crafted. crafting is just buying with half the price but with time spent instead

Artificers are different

I allow Artificers to create a magic item using blueprints (similar to wizards with spell scrolls)

so I can still control what they have access to in terms of permanent magic items

[sturdy pasture]

2024

[sturdy pasture]

That's what I went with ^^

[peak inlet]

the Monk wouldn’t wanna do it, it will be good on the Dancer, but imo it’s not OP

[full moon]

how do you handle non-magical explosives?

• like the basic rules for Grenade, Fragmentation and Grenade, Smoke?
  • as a smoke grenade can be made via burning hair or sugar
  • not sure for the frag, tbh

[peak inlet]

(iirc Dancer doesn’t get Extra Attack, so this covers them)

[sturdy pasture]

Yeah they don't

I'll allow it like that. It's unlikely the monk will ever get it also, so I'm not too worried with her

[peak inlet]

if I am selling them in the campaign, I allow them to be crafted, otherwise, I don’t

the price will always be half the usual price

you need a pressurized container, if you’re not using the correct container, I will always make it fail

that’s an example

you can talk to an expert and run an innovation through them, in which case they will give you tips on what holes to plug and then the idea is out there

meaning the expert will probably sell it, giving enemies access to it as well

[mellow galleon]

I'm making a legendary item for the purpose of simulating strahds abilitys so far I got cloak of bat as base with mist step and fire ball dc18 upcast able with 12 charges I intend for it to be legendary

[peak inlet]

are you using charges based on spell level?

[mellow galleon]

Ya 1 for base +1 time lvl for up cast

[peak inlet]

I think having unique effects makes it feel so much better than just a bunch of spell casts

give it less charges probably

[mellow galleon]

Aside from the bat stuff what unique stuff would you recomend

[peak inlet]

I know it’s a bit weird, but I haven’t run Curse of Strahd and I don’t wanna spoil it on myself

but I would assume there has to be some vampire mechanic you can also lift

[mellow galleon]

The targeted player to own this is alread a dmpire

[faint sonnet]

My result for this was:

Engrave. You can carve out part of a stone object or surface within reach. You can carve out no more than 1 cubic foot of material, and you can carve no deeper than 3 inches.

[peak inlet]

if it’s attunement, you can play around with racial features

[peak inlet]

why 3 inches?

[rotund dirge]

https://homebrewery.naturalcrit.com/share/iGOGBZiU_z7e

Updated it

I mostly just added an unique option for each element on the casptone

[peak inlet]

if it’s a cantrip I would probably suggest making the writing barely clear

you can recast it, this technically does allow you to dig a hole to look through a door or something

[tender narwhal]

if you were to make a subclass that is like the knight from hollow knight (with his dream nail and shadows and stuff) , which class would it be for? (my current idea is for warlock, or for rogue, or maybe even a martial sorcerer subclass)

[peak inlet]

21

[rotund dirge]

Also, i'd really like it if you reviewed it @faint sonnet

It's very short, just a Warrior of the Elements Monk revision

[faint sonnet]

The goal is that it's comparably useful to pulling a metallic object into your hand from 30 feet away or lighting a fire or torch.

[rotund dirge]

10+9?

[peak inlet]

you gotta heavily limit it and probably have it so you don’t have many spell slots

I do have a class that does something similar, I have also seen someone here have a similar thing

you can make it so non-damaging spells of 1st level can be cast as ritual

probably at 11th level

make it after you get 3rd level spells when you usually would get a spell level increase for other casters, that’s my recommendation

[faint sonnet]

My first readthrough is that it's actually pretty neat. In a positive way, it doesn't "overstay its welcome" with its features.

[peak inlet]

but I would also say you can put it at level 9, 10 or 13

[rotund dirge]

1 - :(
2 - :)
3 - :D

[rotund dirge]

wdym by "overstay its welcome"?

[faint sonnet]

One of the more common flaws that homebrew reworks of official subclasses have is that they take a good thing and go too far, causing more problems than they fix.

The one thing I'd probably push back on is the WIS Unarmed Strikes and WIS Grapples.

[rotund dirge]

I imagined that would be a little too much

[peak inlet]

oh, I def disagree with WIS unarmed strikes and grapples

the fact they scale off 2 stats does balance out a lot of the weird stuff they have

[rotund dirge]

But then i'd probably have to compensate for it somehow since the official subclass also has the push/pull effect on Unarmed Strikes

[faint sonnet]

It's specifically because the subclass wants to cause a lot of saving throws with its Elemental Burst, which have great coverage with the ability to change their shapes and is likely to make the subclass feel a bit overdone.

[peak inlet]

you can think through other effects you can give the unarmed strikes

[faint sonnet]

You could even add that a creature Grappled by you at the start of its turn takes one roll of your Martial Arts Die of one of the damage types.

[peak inlet]

10 per long rest?

[scenic urchin]

thats just sorcerer points isn't it...?

[peak inlet]

I would still limit it to 1st and 2nd level spells

3rd level spells are a bit… interesting

[faint sonnet]

When you really look at the rest of the subclass with this in mind, it kinda clicks.

[rotund dirge]

That makes sense, since you'd still using the elements to Grapple them

I just didn't want to make a grappling-focused subclass with elemental flavor on top like the official one

[faint sonnet]

Fair point, though I think a single feature like that ends up leading people to try to play in a way that clicks the features together.

[peak inlet]

you gotta look at your 3rd level spell list to decide.

[faint sonnet]

Speaking of which, Spike, I see you being very interested in the direction I'm taking for my spellcasting rework.

[peak inlet]

I can see it working for Fly and some other stuff that would possibly be an issue usually

but you can use this on Hypnotic Pattern and Haste

Blink is a bit iffy, Haste is def iffy

the others should be fine

fair enough

[rotund dirge]

1st look: Interesting, but why does it upgrade like a half caster rather than the usual tiers?
2nd look: why does it have Primal and Arcane effects lol

[peak inlet]

I’m still gonna be worried about Haste, but Blink is fine at that point

[scenic urchin]

whats wrong with haste

its powerful at level 5, not so much at level 19

[peak inlet]

I have never played at level 19

so I wouldn’t know

[mystic tusk]

Most campaigns stop at 12 or 15

[scenic urchin]

well, for comparison eldritich knights can get haste at level 14

[peak inlet]

if it’s 2024, I wouldn’t put it at 19 either because it’s the Epic Boon level

[peak inlet]

as a Ritual?

[scenic urchin]

haste doesnt make sense as a ritual

[peak inlet]

that’s what I’m saying

[scenic urchin]

10 minutes of downtime to cast a 1 minute spell...?

[mystic tusk]

Haste is meant for a quick cast to give more actions in combat

[scenic urchin]

thats useless

I thought it was just a spell

[peak inlet]

but you can prep before a battle

you can totally plan it out

[scenic urchin]

what battle is gonna wait 10 minutes for you to get prepped

[mystic tusk]

Strahd maybe

[scenic urchin]

strahd: checks pocketwatch, sighs

[mystic tusk]

He has nothing but time on his hands he wants a good fight

[peak inlet]

a lot of battles do

I’m playing Keys from the Golden Vault rn, and you can definitely choose when you want to trigger combats when they’re more optional or if you prep correctly

most of the large battles in the homebrew campaigns also give me enough time to prep whatever I want basically

[scenic urchin]

which adventure in keys of the golden vault?

[peak inlet]

we’re playing through the whole thing

[faint sonnet]

1. I'm conceptually splitting the game into 5 tiers that line up with proficiency bonus increases, as opposed to the pseudo arbitrary...levels, idk?
2. A big goal of the rework is unifying themes of spellcasting so that certain themes aren't left behind. For this purpose, all cantrips of a certain damage type/theme are being unified into one of two categories. Category one is "creation" and represents a sort of "summoning" of that element/theme in a way that allows it to be used for harm. Category two is "manipulation" and represents taking existing parts of that element/theme and changing them. This cantrip is the "creation" one, as even the carving portion is using that summoned material to affect something else, as opposed to affecting that other thing directly.

[scenic urchin]

i dont want to read the whole book just to get an idea ... >_>

[peak inlet]

it does waste precious time if you were the only one there, but since you have teammates, they can still do stuff while you’re ritual casting

[peak inlet]

in the first heist there are a few places where you can prep if you know you wanna get into a battle

obviously though, it’s a level 1 adventure

[rotund dirge]

Interesting, is there somewhere with a list of those?

[peak inlet]

but that’s also the case with later ones as well

[rotund dirge]

I know you're really good when it comes to HB stuff but i don't think i've ever read anything from you besides Duali-T lol

[faint sonnet]

I don't have the document published/available on my HBRE yet, but that's because I'm still quite early in the process.

"Duali-T" is my running name for the entire rework I'm doing.

[rotund dirge]

got it

[peak inlet]

ngl, I don’t like your whole concept for myself to play, but I do get why you’re doing it, I just can’t give you much feedback for your stuff I’ve realized other than basic stuff

[faint sonnet]

Yeah, it's heavily narrative-focused, so it's not everyone's cup of tea.

[scenic urchin]

i'm looking at the map and the adventure and I dont see what you're talking about, i'll just have to take your word for it

there are hiding spots but none of them appear to be soundproof...

[faint sonnet]

Once I get all of the damage type cantrips done, I'll likely publish the document with a [WIP] tag on it.

[peak inlet]

you can hide somewhere to cast your buffs before having a fight with all the guards for example

[peak inlet]

||guards can’t hear you if you’re in the attic unless they’re by the stalls||

[scenic urchin]

||if you're in the attic you're not really in an ambush position...||

[faint sonnet]

The reason that I'm running with the name "Duali-T" is that the entire rework is meant to put importance on the duality between enabling choice and disabling choice.

[stuck raptor]

Immolation, Hold Person

[rotund dirge]

I'm glad you sent Earth here, because when i was making my Monk subclass, i started by trying to make a Way of the Four Elements rework

I tried to give it cantrips somehow, but then i realized there are almost NO cantrips with the earth/rock themes, besides Mold Earth and Magic Stone... which doesn't even scale.

Then i got mad because i realized that there were almost no earth spells as a whole

I know there are, but it's like 18 spells compared to Fire's 30

[faint sonnet]

Hilariously, the entire spell rework was started because my Druid rework putting a heavy focus on the elements. I realized that if I limited Druid to being able to cast and concentrate on spells of their element in Wildshape (something thematically super cool), most of the elements are actually quite terrible.

[rotund dirge]

One example is that there are a lot more "Ice" spells than "Water" ones

[faint sonnet]

It's the exact same reason why I made a rework of Fighting Styles: I was working on Monk and realized that the class felt empty without something that differentiated martials on a more fundamental level.

I even ended up merging Acid and Poison into a single damage type because thinking of what a high level Acid caster and a high level Poison caster would do ends up with almost the same fantasy.

• Air covers lightning, thunder, and wind.
• Earth covers dirt and stone and such but doesn't cover plants.
• Fire covers fire, duh.
• Water covers water and ice.

[rotund dirge]

I think it's interesting because i can see why Poison and Acid are different damage types

One affects living creatures and the other doesn't, for example

I'd say Poison is more similar to Necrotic than Acid, considering it affects life and health

[faint sonnet]

The main reason is that a lot of acid is poison

[peak inlet]

eats a lemon
takes acid damage

[faint sonnet]

They aren't at all mutually exclusive labels, as something like battery acid is super duper acidic, which makes it super duper poisonous.

[peak inlet]

I don’t like Acid and Poison being separate ngl

[rotund dirge]

I can't imagine a spider doing Acid damage though

[faint sonnet]

Oh, definitely. I renamed it to "Toxic damage".

[peak inlet]

Poison splits into Acid and Necrotic

[faint sonnet]

I am keeping in that certain aspects of Toxic damage don't do anything to Constructs and Undead, though.

[peak inlet]

I also think Poison damage is horrible and just seems like an afterthought in general when they designed the game

[rotund dirge]

Certain aspects like?

[faint sonnet]

This was one of many reasons, yeah.

[peak inlet]

the 2024 Poisoner feat is the worst designed feat in the game

[faint sonnet]

Stuff like poisonous gas. An old bit of wording I have for one of the cantrips is:

When you cast this spell, or as a Magic action on a later turn, you can condense the acid and launch it at a point within 60 feet, where it bursts into a 5-foot-radius Sphere of poisonous gas. Each creature in the Sphere must succeed on a Constitution saving throw or take 1d6 Toxic damage. Constructs and Undead automatically succeed on this save.

[rotund dirge]

I see it as:

Poison: Corrodes organic matter
Acid: Corrodes matter
Necrotic: Corrodes vital force

[peak inlet]

the Poisoned condition can just be changed to make it work as poison damage instead

[rotund dirge]

A damage type that i do think is funny is Radiant, which is usually flavored as "good damage" (e.g. Paladin) but in reality it's just light

[peak inlet]

also, having Poisoned and Poison is pretty annoying

[rotund dirge]

Like, tick damage?

[rotund dirge]

I think that makes sense

[peak inlet]

like the organic-only parts of a combined version should just be thrown into Poisoned as a condition

whether it’s tick damage, a single instance of extra damage, or something else

I don’t like the current Poisoned condition either if that’s not obvious

[faint sonnet]

The other thing that I think people will find really spicy is that most of the damage types are only Arcane and Primal, and I'm going back to the player working with the DM to pick what non-Divine themes work based on the deity they are associated with.

[rotund dirge]

When i started playing, i thought Poisoned would actually be tick damage

[peak inlet]

it seems much more relevant for getting drunk but not for getting poisoned by a dagger

[rotund dirge]

But once i found out what it was, i thought

"That's all?"

Poisoned should be called "Weakened" tbh

That's a lot more accurate

[peak inlet]

I get why it’s not tick damage, but then they do have stuff that deals tick damage, but it’s different elements and then Burned exists but it’s only fire damage

[rotund dirge]

Fire, Cold, Acid, Lightning, Thunder: Primal
Radiant, Necrotic, Force, Psychic: Arcane
Bludgeoning, Piercing, Slashing: Mundane

Poison: ?

[peak inlet]

why not make a DoT condition that just has (damage die, damage type) in parentheses

[faint sonnet]

The only four damage-type themes Divine classes have access to by default are:

• Force
• Necrotic
• Psychic
• Radiant

All of the rest are based on what deity was chosen.

Radiant is the only one Arcane doesn't have access to, interestingly.

[rotund dirge]

That would be amazing

[peak inlet]

Poison is sometimes put in with Primals and sometimes with Arcane ones, but then it feels much more Mundane in its application

which is pretty annoying

[rotund dirge]

I'd say Primal since it's easy to associate poison with animals

Although slashing is also very animal-like

[peak inlet]

I don’t think Primal means animals

or wait, that’s Primordial

[faint sonnet]

The only mundane damage type that has a cantrip is Bludgeoning (primarily because of earth, but will also somewhat be water) for me.

[peak inlet]

I’m dyslexic mb

[rotund dirge]

If you consider those damage types i mentioned as "Elemental", then Poison would indeed fall into Mundane

[peak inlet]

water and earth are both bludgeoning

[rotund dirge]

You mean existing cantrips or the ones you're making?

[faint sonnet]

My spells as a whole, ya.

[digital jetty]

Divine gets force and psychic?

[rotund dirge]

There is a Smite that deals Force damage

It's the one that stuns

[primal osprey]

And banishing smite

[peak inlet]

Eldritch Smite

[primal osprey]

I love that thing

[rotund dirge]

And Conquest Paladin has ways to deal Psychic damage

Idk about Cleric though

[primal osprey]

Yeah I don’t think cleric has common psychic attacks

I know they can sometimes have force bc of arcana clerics having magic missile

[peak inlet]

but that’s more because of the arcana part not the cleric part

[rotund dirge]

Tbh, i think the best separation would be:

Mundane: BPS, Poison
Elemental: Fire, Cold, Thunder, Lightning, Acid
Magical: Force, Radiant, Psychic, Necrotic

[primal osprey]

You’re right. Clerics as a whole don’t get force damage

[peak inlet]

idk if Thunder is Elemental

it seems closer to Magical

[rotund dirge]

It is "explosion"/"sonic" damage, so it's not magical

[peak inlet]

explosions get Force though

[rotund dirge]

Force is pure magical energy

[peak inlet]

Thunder is just very fast air

[rotund dirge]

Air is not magical :)

[peak inlet]

but it doesn’t create extra air

it just makes the air move faster

if it created the air, it would be elemental

[faint sonnet]

Spiritual Weapon and Blade Barrier are the only existing Force damage spells that Clerics have, but I'm also moving towards pushing Divine classes to be more associated with their deity, such that it's worthwhile for me to distinguish that neutral deities would be more associated with force or psychic damage than radiant or necrotic. The psychic one is a gonna be a relatively big change, I admit, though I could honestly plan for the future and leave Psychic damage as potentially in the realm of Arcane and a potential psychic class.

[rotund dirge]

Cold damage also doesn't necessarily mean "creating ice", it could be just "very low temperature"

[peak inlet]

Spiritual Weapon is Force?

[rotund dirge]

Sometimes, Fire damage is also "very high temperature" rather than "creating fire"

[faint sonnet]

Yarp.

[peak inlet]

damn, I guess my cleric is getting severely nerfed

[digital jetty]

Thunder is sonic damage. It is pretty reliable as in there are few monsters that resist it. I could see it in any of the 3 categories.

[rotund dirge]

I think Psychic damage fits Divine flavor

It could be either nightmares or something like Ghost Rider's Penance Stare

[peak inlet]

I think of Thunder as a mini-Force

[faint sonnet]

Oh, I definitely think it fits, which is why I put it under Divine as well as Arcane.

[rotund dirge]

Got it

[peak inlet]

Psychic is Force but only for non-mechanical/non-brain stuff

[faint sonnet]

My Divine-focused Psychic theme is titled "Censure".

[peak inlet]

gotta hit that sweet spot between big brain and no brain

[rotund dirge]

Honestly, i think "Force" is the only truly Arcane damage type

[peak inlet]

I have a Deity of Censorship

her name is ||[censored]|| and she’s currently tormenting my group because they’re underaged in a casino

[digital jetty]

This is all part of your learning tree, right?

I am imagining that if you start with Y damage type, either that’s the damage your spiritual weapon does or spiritual weapon isn’t an option for you. Is that correct?

So would far realm god be psychic? Upper Planes radiant and lower planes necrotic? Middle plans force?

[rotund dirge]

Psychic for Far Realms makes sense due to Eldritch Horrors and all

[faint sonnet]

That first bit is where it gets a lot more complicated, yeah. I have to figure out how to categorize the generic spells like Spiritual Weapon and how/if that stuff is accessible to Clerics.

[rotund dirge]

I never really understood why Spiritual Weapon is a Cleric exclusive spell in first place

Yes, i know the name of the spell is Spiritual Weapon, but mechanically, it doesn't make sense

[faint sonnet]

It's legacy, basically.

Iirc it was originally ONLY a hammer.

[rotund dirge]

"I'm a priest from a popular deity."
"What's your signature spell?"
"I summon a giant spectral weapon!"

It should 100% be an Arcane/generic spell so gishes could benefit from it

[digital jetty]

The theme is like hand of god thing. I believe it god used to get a favorite weapon and spiritual weapon would be like your god helping you.

To me it feels very specific to clerics

[faint sonnet]

Oh, it's definitely thematically specific, though it's a bit odd when you have stuff like Mordy's sword and Blade of Disaster that aren't at all Divine.

[digital jetty]

Yeah mechanically they are similar.

[rotund dirge]

I just think this is too specific, and it could make sense in previous editions when gods used to have favorite weapons (iirc)

In 5e it just feels out of place

[digital jetty]

Would you prefer to make it generic and give the spell to everyone?

[rotund dirge]

That's exactly what i said right above your message

Something like "Spectral Weapon" or "Arcane Weapon" fits more a generic theme, like Mage Armor, than a Divine caster

[digital jetty]

I feel like people don’t like spells being “overused”

[peak inlet]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-cu8ik-FRhPB6rGYJgLsWAHHJyzSKVCalCQFyo9qDU4/edit?usp=drivesdk

looking for feedback on the first subclass in the document, Nightmare Barbarian (based on Frighten and changing your form to mimic the fears of others)

[rotund dirge]

It's as generic to me as idk, Bigby's Hand

[peak inlet]

I can’t tell if I overtuned it and flooded the whole place

[faint sonnet]

I do agree with this, though I think part of the issue is that a lot of spells don't feel very thematic to the class that gets them. That's something I personally am not fond of.

[digital jetty]

Which was on one spell list and now is on two.

[faint sonnet]

Interesting question: Does poison gas feel more Primal or Arcane?

[peak inlet]

neither lol

that sounds Mundane

[rotund dirge]

That's ironic

Bard and Wizard?

[peak inlet]

maybe slightly more Primal?

[rotund dirge]

As Lemon said, Mundane

If i had to choose, Primal

[digital jetty]

Wizard. Then sorcerer post Tasha’s

[faint sonnet]

In favor of Primal: Many natural things make poisonous gas.
In favor of Arcane: Societies hate poisonous gas and have largely banned it.

[rotund dirge]

I don't think i understand the 2nd point

[digital jetty]

primal: herbalism > poison
Arcane: alchemy > poison

[rotund dirge]

That's a nice explanation

Though Alchemy probably achieves it through natural means, like Herbalism

[digital jetty]

They are the same thing

[faint sonnet]

Poisonous gas has proven to be ridiculously useful at taking lives when manufactured, so it has a track record for being worthwhile as a weapon.

[tacit leaf]

In favor of Divine: The Oracle of Delphi was likely just high off poisonous gases in the cave lmao

[rotund dirge]

I understand it, i just don't see how it relates to being Arcane

[wet yarrow]

Poison to me is a delivery method.

Like toxic or venomous, it's less a source of its own.

I would say that the nature of acid and poison to me has always felt necrotic, and thus divine.

But I have admittedly odd associations lol

[faint sonnet]

The difference between Arcane and Primal is often about method of creation as opposed to anything more concrete.

[wet yarrow]

Or Eldritch, for that matter.

Since its kind of "The oxygen of death"

[faint sonnet]

Arcane is "manufactured", whereas Primal is "natural".

[wet yarrow]

Well, birds dont taste spicy.

So I'd say primal.

Poison is only poison to the poisoned, etc.

[digital jetty]

I heard a marine biologist interviewed about a new study on fish migration and then I heard an interview from a local fisherman. They both knew the same thing. One of them had a masters degree and the other had generational knowledge

Wizard is the marine biologist, a ranger is the fisherman

[faint sonnet]

Though it does make sense that Arcane focuses more on covering someone in Acid. That's not very common in nature.

[rotund dirge]

Then definitely Primal

[tacit leaf]

Poison is so broad it's hard to pin down. There's the arcane manufacture of it, the implied association with the infernal, the natural gases aspect. But at the end of the day most poisons in the hit TTRPG Dungeons and Dragons®™ are natural. So ig Primal. even if druids don't actually get all the poison-y spells

[smoky sand]

Monster Slayer gets PB d6 on the first attack that hits each turn on the creature they mark as their Slayer’s Prey and gains Mage Slayer as part of Magic-User’s Nemesis. Supernatural Defense’s dice is now a d10. Slayer’s Counter now makes the attack a critical hit if the attack connects with the target.
Is this balanced?

[digital jetty]

Gas does seem more arcane

[faint sonnet]

Whaat, Druids don't get all 4 dedicated poison spells (Infestation, Poison Spray, Ray of Sickness, and Cloudkill)? What a shame.

[peak inlet]

Level 3 Barbarian Subclass Feature: Cryptid

You thrive in the fears and nightmares of other creatures, you can take on forms that strike fear in others.

You can cast Alter Self without components. You can cast it once without a spell slot, and you regain the ability to cast it in this way when you finish a Long Rest or after expending a use of your Rage.
Whenever you start casting the spell, you can modify it so it doesn’t require concentration. If you do so, the spell’s duration becomes 1 minute for that casting. When cast in this way, you can choose multiple modifications of different types rather than one. If you cast Alter Self again or activate Rage, the effects of the previous Alter Self end.
While your Rage is active, you gain the effects of Alter Self using Strength as your spellcasting modifier.

[rotund dirge]

You mean one of the states of matter?

[smoky sand]

who gets all of them then?

[peak inlet]

I have never had this style of feature for martials before

[faint sonnet]

Wizards, duh.

[tacit leaf]

ik ik, this is a big loss for the class. I wonder how they'll recover
(2/4 "poison" spells actually deal necrotic damage)

[digital jetty]

Poisonous Gas. Producing poison in a gas form seems less natural

[faint sonnet]

Oh, that's actually the four that do deal Poison and aren't "Prismatic" or the like.

[rotund dirge]

Idk, i'm pretty sure there is an animal or insect that does something like this

[tacit leaf]

oh im talking about the ones that seem pseudo-poison flavoured druid DOES get (contagion, blight) which like.

why is the disease spell doing soul damage besides getting around immunities

[faint sonnet]

The good news is that of the 6 spells that have a decent focus on Acid damage (again, not Prismatic), Wizard doesn't get all of them.

[tacit leaf]

also, why in the oakfather's name do druids not get Stinking Cloud

you're telling me druids don't get the skunk spell

[faint sonnet]

(Does it make sense why I merged Acid and Poison together now?)

[rotund dirge]

That's the animal i was thinking about!

[tacit leaf]

I'm still not fully on board, but I understand why

[faint sonnet]

Between two damage types, there are about 11 spells that reliably do that damage type, with one of those damage types having essentially no mundane way to deal it and the other being stupidly expensive to deal in a mundane way.

[tacit leaf]

there are some really stupid spell list decisions. my number one problem with spell lists will be sorcerers not getting wall of ice.

like. what is my silver draconic sorcerer supposed to do. and why do druids ALSO not get it?? why is wall of ice unique to WIZARDS???