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[lethal bobcat]

I'd buy that instantly

[buoyant oar]

I had a West marches player who had an OG kenku, dude nailed his mimicry and wasn't hyper annoying with it for the memes. One of the funniest players I had.

[hot gate]

That's what Mordenkainens basically did.

[lavish flame]

Yeah, thats the case now lol

[buoyant oar]

It can be done. But it requires going into it with a concerted effort beyond, funny meme

[lethal bobcat]

The book that was recommended here?

[fossil hollow]

what do you think

[lethal bobcat]

I never heard of the book before this convo

But I never heard the name Mordenkainens anywhere on a book either

[hot gate]

It's a book that collected a large amount of player species, kenku included.

[lavish flame]

They can speak, it probably sounds like awful squawks but is still intelligible Common. They get Mimicry as a extra bonus now, so they can still communicate (thank god lol)

[lethal bobcat]

That sounds much better ye

[severe rampart]

How would you run a "Trial by Combat" scenario?
Party vs Enemies of equal amount
One champion of the party vs One champion from the enemy
or 1v1 for all party members

[lethal bobcat]

I didn't know that book existed until 35 mins ago and I certainly didn't know it had playable races redone

[fossil hollow]

Side note, does anybody know where to claim the Play Along packs for Ravenloft

[lavish flame]

We have 2 Mordy books, we got Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes, which is basically Volo's Guide to Monsters but for some of the weirder kinds of monsters. Githyanki and Duergar. We get a handful of Demon Lords and Archdevils as monster stat blocks here, as well.

Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse is the other book, and it just combines Volo's Guide to Monsters and Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes with some updates to Species and Monster design. Its a collection of like 30 Species options and like 300-400 Monsters. Its like a Monster Manual 2.

[lethal bobcat]

30!

[fossil hollow]

It also has some statblocks from modules that were made in between

[lavish flame]

not 30 factorial!

[lethal bobcat]

Soon?

[lavish flame]

maybe

[lethal bobcat]

OO they are basically 5.5e compatible! Aren't they? I didn't expect that seeing the book is older

[fossil hollow]

If it hasnt been reprinted, its fair use in 5.5

[buoyant oar]

Volo's Guide to Monsters, and Tome of Foes are out of print, and WOTC even labels digital versions as Legacy Content. There are no places to get those books first hand.

For most lore and mechanical purposes, both books have been superseded by Mordenkainen Presents Monsters of the Multiverse.

[lethal bobcat]

Ironically, without the yar har I wouldn't be this hyped to buy a book I heard of for a few minutes

But that's an instant get then

[lavish flame]

Yurp, they're from like... 2022 or something, so 5.5 came out real quick after. Basically nothing there (Goliath, Aasimar, Shifter, Changeling nonwithstanding) has gotten a 2024 reprint yet, and tbh I think it'll be a lil while.

[peak pecan]

Only the first one should be free to download on Beyond; the rest should be tied to preorder status for the digital Ravenloft package

[buoyant oar]

It makes me sad, Tome of Foes had really good elf lore. Especially about gender fluidity. ❤️

[lavish flame]

Yeah, it is very lore light relative to Volo's Guide to Monsters

[fossil hollow]

ic. I have preordered the digital ver, just wondering if you can like, actually see the encounters or something. doesnt seem to be clickable

[lavish flame]

It is primarily a "Here's a bunch of player options and monsters" book, the lore is very slim

[fossil hollow]

Its probably just a bit early in the morning

[severe rampart]

I got a session in two hours... really nervous

never played a Paladin, or really any strength based martial before

Dexterity is just too good

[fossil hollow]

sweats in Dexadin Genie paladin

[severe rampart]

Real, Dexadin here

but now I'm playing a Strength based Paladin, Oath of The Ancients

[lethal bobcat]

Another race I didn't dare touch (other than Evil ones) were Lizardfolk as the book recommended going full stoic and alien. Mordenkainen makes them sound a LOT more player-friendly

[peak pecan]

It’s probably being released on Pacific time, which means maybe in a few hours

[lethal bobcat]

I can see why Wizards canned it somewhat

[covert root]

Just Smite when you want to hit hard. That's literally it.

[lavish flame]

Yeah, they're like natural guardians now. Perfect for a Druid or Ranger PC

[severe rampart]

Always use your smite slots when you hit!

[lavish flame]

or even a Cleric of Nature

[reef tundra]

Laughs in homebrew lore for lizardfolk in my setting making them great for enemy and PC alike

[lethal bobcat]

COLOURFUL LIZARD BOYS

[severe rampart]

So you're saying... expend resources at the first encounter! /j

[fossil hollow]

one day ill revisit my Lizardfolk Giant Dragon barbarian

Glavenus Krauss, my boy

[reef tundra]

-# How will I ever play a Lizardfolk in FR without it :(

[lavish flame]

oh, also this book has Centaurs, Minotairs, Fairies. It actually goes hard af

[fossil hollow]

... speaking of which, i gotta give more love to the rest of the fiends in MoTM

Also the Fey. Fey are my most unused creature type aside from Abberations

[lethal bobcat]

I wonder how bad Volo's was for the playerbase. I'd probably kept playing if playable races were written like this the first time

[lavish flame]

Oh, disclaimer tho. They were doing some real weird experimenting with what a Race or Species or Lineage option was at this time. You'll notice that Sea Elves and Deep Gnomes and Duergar are their own species option instead of a subrace for a parent race option. They were still figuring stuff out

[fossil hollow]

(they are listed to still count as their parent species)

[lethal bobcat]

They also buffed some races it seems however

[lavish flame]

yeah, they have all the stuff from being an Elf or Dwarf or Gnome, they get affected by the same stuff too (like the Axe of the Dwarvish Lords still reads a Duergar as a Dwarf). They're just not a subrace anymore

[fossil hollow]

welp, im off to hunting for heads in for a Icewind Dale game...

[lavish flame]

yeah, power crept over 5e's timeline in a way that was all around enjoyable for players and DMs so eventually WOTC embraced that. Your species started giving you more stuff/more notable stuff in MMM

The most notable change is that a lot of stuff that was 1/Day is now Prof Bonus/Day

[lethal bobcat]

Tbh Volo's just felt worse than Variant Human, and tbh I thought other races weren't that bad. Halflings were really good it felt like.

Thusfar I guess it technically is power creep but it's hard using that word

[lavish flame]

Until MMM, You'd be hard pressed to get me to not play a Half-Elf

[lethal bobcat]

Even the flying races sound like they got even better. Was that really a requirement?

Also I'm going over this as if this is all new off the press but I understand everyone else knew of these changes already oops

[lavish flame]

The monsters in MMM answer this question. The vast majority of monsters in MMM have ranged attacks if they didnt before. The 5.5 Monster Manual also addressed this by giving damn near everything a ranged option.

The Tarrasque now has a "Yell really hard!" attack

[lethal bobcat]

Oh ye I noticed actually. T1 does this badly but still has some. T2 already is full of them meanwhile

[lavish flame]

All in all, Flying is almost a way to become a flying pincushion by enemies now

[fossil hollow]

as it should be. Less cover from up above

[lethal bobcat]

Wait so Flight is also less busted as a spell?

[lavish flame]

For utility its absolutely wonderful

In combat, you're gonna fly up 50 feet, get impaled by 6 javelins, lose concentration, and eat dirt on the floor

[lethal bobcat]

First it was even amazing for combat. Including for Touch shenanigans

[knotty vine]

I got invited to a game and that was the fasted game I ever left

[lavish flame]

instant red flags?

[knotty vine]

They had spell casting "rules" and one of them was if you casted a leveled spell you had to wait a number of rounds equal to spell level to cast another leveled spell

[severe rampart]

LMAO oh my god 😭

[thorn wedge]

That is one way of balancing the caster-martial disparity I guess

[knotty vine]

FIREBALL alright now im useless for 3 rounds

[severe rampart]

You can always cast a cantrip like... bonfire... 😭

[quasi mirage]

Finally

[severe rampart]

Also damn Warlocks would be OP there

[quasi mirage]

I verified my phone

[lethal bobcat]

Did it only go one way? Or could the level 5 Wizard keep casting Fire Bolt every 0 turns instead?

[lavish flame]

presumably you'd have to Firebolt while ur levelled spell cools down

[atomic kayak]

Even before 2024 a majority of monsters had some method of hitting flying enemies. Spells, attacks, their own flight, etc

[lethal bobcat]

Allowing for Cantrip nukes (infinite castings per round) sounds really fun for a one-shot

[severe rampart]

What?

You can infinitely cast cantrips. They don't get expended

[lethal bobcat]

Per round specifically

[lavish flame]

wouldnt it just be a combatless one shot?

[knotty vine]

There was a thing for that too

[lavish flame]

combat would occur, a spellcaster PC's turn would happen, they'd dump a billion cantrips onto every enemy, and combat would end within the turn

[lethal bobcat]

Not the first thing I did that actually, those can be really fun

I'd recommend trying a horror one-shot where the players WILL die CoC-style

[knotty vine]

After you casted a cantrip you had to roll a ability check if you failed you cant cast the cantrip until long rest

[severe rampart]

Blegh. That idea sucks. Whoever goes first in initiative would win.

[stiff rock]

was madness rewritten for 2024's dmg?? i can't find it

[severe rampart]

"Infinite castings per round" is possibly the least balanced thing to be proposed

[lavish flame]

Fear and Mental Stress, we no longer have Short/Long/Indefinite Madnesses iirc

[lethal bobcat]

Wish logic for your Cantrips sounds REALLY funny on paper and I feel like your DM overcooked

[stiff rock]

thank you. looking through, it doesn't do what i need it to. i'll probably fall back to the indefinite madness from 2014's dmg

[lavish flame]

we kinda do, but not a specific table. there's like 3 generic effects that last different times

[thorn wedge]

Dm cooked so hard he cooked himself

[severe rampart]

Wasn't 2014 Madness like, if you witness a party member of yours die you have to roll a wisdom save?

[reef tundra]

I once had a boss that was a crazy old man who inflicted madness with his bite

[severe rampart]

How can a horror oneshot not have any combat in it? purely roleplay? where when initiative is rolled your casters just mag dump on the enemies?

[stiff rock]

it doesn't really specify, more give you a few vague examples of when and where to apply it. there's no concrete rulings on when to apply madness

[reef tundra]

It was hysterical

[stiff rock]

i only really needed the d100 indefinite madness table for curse of strahd

[lavish flame]

Here's 2014's rules on Going Mad:

Various magical effects can inflict madness on an otherwise stable mind. Certain spells, such as contact other plane and symbol, can cause insanity, and you can use the madness rules here instead of the spell effects in the Player’s Handbook. Diseases, poisons, and planar effects such as psychic wind or the howling winds of Pandemonium can all inflict madness. Some artifacts can also break the psyche of a character who uses or becomes attuned to them.
Resisting a madness-inducing effect usually requires a Wisdom or Charisma saving throw. If your game includes the Sanity score (see chapter 9, “Dungeon Master’s Workshop”), a creature makes a Sanity saving throw instead.

They really arent concrete on What Makes You Go Mad

only guidance for how to do it when it happens

[lethal bobcat]

One shots is when you go wild I meant. I couldn't have tried this as I didn't have that idea yet...

[severe rampart]

If you implement that idea to oneshots then combat would be pointless, imo.

[lethal bobcat]

That's not too bad for one though?

[severe rampart]

no, like, it's a really bad idea. It would not only make combat pointless, it would make other players feel like it's unfair.

The martials get screwed over by that, and the caster who's first in initiative would kill everything all by themself

Infinite is Infinite

They can roll over and over again and kill a tarrasque if they manage to roll a higher initiative over it!

[lethal bobcat]

I feel like you're used to way different people and what's possible

[severe rampart]

Go on, then, explain how this wouldn't throw martials into the dirt?

[feral fulcrum]

That's because it was kind of a half-baked idea

[valid geyser]

but like, why?

what problem does this fix?

[knotty vine]

I am already a little mad

[valid geyser]

if theres no combat it's useless, if there is combat, there's no combat

[lethal bobcat]

By giving premade casters and letting them kill everything while eating falafel

[severe rampart]

They won't kill everything. The PC that rolls first in initiative does.

[lethal bobcat]

Yes

[severe rampart]

??? So you don't see the issue with that?

[small jacinth]

Is there an illusionist I could base a statblock off of?

[lethal bobcat]

I still fail to see the issue

[visual dew]

Chat I need a quick idea for a stall mission for my players cuz I’m a dm and gonna take a bit longer to get back home to the stuff for the main story so I just need a good like stall mission for them

[limber trail]

The issue with infinite damage per round…???

[severe rampart]

The others would feel left out, and combat would just be one person killing everything in one turn. It wouldn't feel like combat.

[small jacinth]

Money gets stolen give them a fetch quest

[stiff rock]

"there's a [monster] in the sewers, and it's been stealing all our stuff"

[severe rampart]

I roll to hit with firebolt miss I do it again miss again miss again hit, 1 point of damage.

[visual dew]

They’re currently going form cave to cave but it could be anything that would stray them away form reaching the other cave

[lethal bobcat]

How is giving encounters players steamroll over for an hour not fun though for one time?

[thorn wedge]

You go to talk to the npc but suddenly you realize it is actually a 20 foot tall demon wearing a fake moustache, roll initiative

[small jacinth]

A scream I dont remember what it is but there’s a dnd enemy that draw in its prey by producing screams that sound as if it came from a a loved one

[severe rampart]

The players don't steamroll it, only ONE player does.

[vagrant notch]

Any weapons recommendation to give it to players such as bow and swords that aint too broken

[severe rampart]

And you're also taking away their right to play what they want by instead giving them premade statblocks

[lethal bobcat]

If you're going RAW, sure

[feral fulcrum]

Because there's no point to an encounter if "Okay so you litteraly can't lose, why exactly are we bothering to roll again?" is the default.

[severe rampart]

?? what do you mean RAW? this is a thing you proposed!

[visual dew]

I can have the new npc that they found in the prison follow it and they gotta rescue him again and stuff

[small jacinth]

False hydra them

[feral fulcrum]

Being able to infinitely cast a cantrip on your turn = "Screw martials." and "Litteraly can't lose, so why are we rolling again?"

[visual dew]

I am NOT that good as a dm😭

[small jacinth]

OH IDEA

have they taken a short or long rest since in the cave?

[viral kraken]

hey who was asking about madness? there is a good homebrew system you can use in Giffglyph's Darker Dungeons, i think on itch.io

[severe rampart]

Along with that, why not let Martials swing their sword infinite times too? do you see how ridiculous that sounds?

[thorn wedge]

Seems pretty good

[visual dew]

Long

[small jacinth]

When was this?

[severe rampart]

Sorry, I don't mean to get frustrated. It just feels so unbalanced, and not well thought out.

[lethal bobcat]

I loved spending my evening running a tavern without any fights or exploration. I have played enough games with wacky premises like everyone is the same class at level 5 for a session. I see no issue with premade character sheets or even ignoring rules for a one-shot if you know your players love some wacky stuff

[visual dew]

We played like 2 weeks ago

[small jacinth]

Was there a session after that?

[visual dew]

Not since

[small jacinth]

PERFECT ok let me cook

[severe rampart]

Sure, if you wanna read a book, if you wanna run "Tavern simulator" for a oneshot, go ahead, but then why the infinite castings of cantrips?

Combat, as stated before, is useless then, why even propose it if you say you run combatless oneshots?

[small jacinth]

@visual dew first are any of your players immune to magical sleep?

[severe rampart]

"Oh yeah, you guys can cast infinite cantrips on your turn in combat, but like... we don't have encounters of combat"

[visual dew]

No they’re level 2 at the moment lol

[lethal bobcat]

You are aware of the word "one" in one shots? You seem to really think I follow these rules in a campaign where I want the stakes go be high or that balancing the three pillars is a requirement for an idea you can get wasted over

[small jacinth]

Racial features grant them what are the players races

[visual dew]

Honestly it’s not that I’m late I just got to the park and the wether is too nice so ima do it form here lol

[visual dew]

I have a elf orc and human

Pretty simple group

[small jacinth]

2024 or 2014

[severe rampart]

Yes, I know what a oneshot is. Still, I am begging you to give me a reason why this would work in a scenario where combat is present, and where combat isn't present

Guess in the three hours of the oneshot, that one player who rolls terrible in initiative just don't do anything with their cantrips

[visual dew]

We playing e5

[small jacinth]

Frick the elf ruins my plan

So once they fell asleep nobody realized it but a nightmare beholder put them to sleep and what they have been doing since then is just one big nightmare

This they face no consequences but your elf is immune to magical sleep

[severe rampart]

Again, I don't mean to get frustrated but this seems unecessary at best and game breaking at worst

[dense tusk]

guys would you play an aberrant soul as a monoclass or dip into warlock 3?

[visual dew]

Don’t have to be sepesific If he says anything about being ammune I’m gonna improvise

[valid geyser]

its subjective, but my hang up is more just that I don't really see how that would make the game more fun. yeah i get one shots are an opportunity to let players do stuff that might be crazy in a long campaign, but the more incredible your power is in your power trip, the faster it wears off, or just isn't fun at all

[umbral girder]

MonoClass

[lethal bobcat]

It's fun to just kill everything which is supposed to be impossible for a night where you go and destroy the most comically evil children's cartoon evilman

[small jacinth]

Well he was already asleep so technically it works @visual dew

[visual dew]

Plus it’s his first time playing dnd anyway he won’t know

[lethal bobcat]

If it's fun playing a level 20 one-shot, it shouldn't be less fun playing one with much faster combat

[small jacinth]

Assuming they didn’t have shifts for who is awake

[lethal bobcat]

Or rather, no combat and storytelling focus

[severe rampart]

... haha guys, we're level one and we killed a tarrasque. well no, actually, only one player killed the tarrasque, you wanna know why? because they were up in initiative first and we can cast an infinite number of times.

[lethal bobcat]

Well combat but not mechanical

[visual dew]

Nope

[severe rampart]

It seems like you want a different system than D&D

[small jacinth]

That’s my plan yitsuki and you can go anywhere with the nightmare if you are feeling evil they could be forced to slaughter 12 orphans each (don’t do this please)

[severe rampart]

Guys that was a great oneshot, I just stood around for three hours because I rolled horribly in initiative and just watched you all having fun.

[lethal bobcat]

Tbh just make-believe is what I've aimed for a few times before and it still works well

[visual dew]

Thanks for the idea that gentle orc ain’t gonna be left sane after this

[valid geyser]

those things dont seem equivalent. Level 20 characters dont just press a button and dr manhattan whats in front of them. a level 20 combat can still last more than 1 turn, also it gives you more things you dont have access to

[lethal bobcat]

With D&D as coating

[small jacinth]

NO OLEASE SOARE THE OLAYERS ITS THEIR FIRST TIME IM THE DM OF “MERCY” BUT NOT EVIL

[severe rampart]

So it's whatever the hell I want the game?

[lethal bobcat]

Well ye, it's been before

[severe rampart]

Right, my friend, that isn't D&D.

[lethal bobcat]

That's why I keep mentioning one shots specifically. You can go wild then

Use what you want and build around what you want

[visual dew]

This is a warm up campaign for my real one later on so they better get ready for a lot of trauma

[severe rampart]

You know, I can't change your mind, I can't possibly let you see what I see. Good day, I am not breaking my mind over this.

[lethal bobcat]

I'm afraid we both have that issue, clashing against each other

[visual dew]

My next one is gonna be a mix of silly and horror with the switch being very quick

[valid geyser]

but how is having a kill button encouraging build diversity?

[severe rampart]

I understand where you're coming from "Fun over everything" but the things you propose don't seem fun, at all

[valid geyser]

also, if you want to go wild and have a fun build, don't you wanna. have combat?
you seem to be flip flopping by saying this speeds up combat but also makes combat more fun

[lethal bobcat]

Long as people are having a blast, it could be my communication or it could be just having way different tastes in what can be fun

[minor cargo]

For what it’s worth, I do think what you described could be pulled off beautifully with FATE / FATE Accelerated. Non D&D topic of course, but I could see that working out great.

[severe rampart]

Let's say you were a player, right? and this whole game your party keeps on killing everything before you can do anything, you basically just sit for 3 hours and nothing else. Is that fun?

[lethal bobcat]

Not the way you seem to imagine such thing going

[severe rampart]

But that is how it will go for someone.

[visual dew]

@small jacinth Like for example the first town they go to outside the main starter area is a village called happy vill but after a short stay and they get invited to the “fun festival fair” and they see the people who fail at a game getting torn to shreds and hung up instead of the games it’s gonna be a big switch lol

[severe rampart]

We prioritize the fun of everyone at the table, yes, but with that thing you proposed, it's making one person be in the spotlight and no one else.

no one else gets to act, no one else gets to have a say, etc.

[lethal bobcat]

Remove initiative rolling and rolling for separate uses for one?

[severe rampart]

How did you get that from what I said?

[lethal bobcat]

Well that's the solution

[small jacinth]

I feel bad for your players

[severe rampart]

That's not a solution.

[lethal bobcat]

There's no first player or combat taking over a few seconds then though

[severe rampart]

So say, you have 5 players, and combat lasts... 10 minutes or so

1 player gets to have fun for 10 minutes, and then for the next 40 minutes they sit around doing nothing

[visual dew]

I’m filtering the stuff cuz I’m in here but it’s gonna be graphic

[severe rampart]

that is still not letting them have their turn.

[small jacinth]

That was already graphic even for me as a player and dm

[severe rampart]

is that the campaign they signed up for?

[valid geyser]

also like, if you are forced to roll to hit and damage infinite times until something's dead, i think that invalidates the speeding up combat angle

[lethal bobcat]

Have you never ran an encounter where you let players narrate what they're doing simultaneously rather than running combat order? And have everything hit? Like then clearing up a monster camp near a village as a side quest

No initiative, battle map or rolling

[visual dew]

Oh also the main problem in the campaign is a virus that came into the world when a god from a separate world tried to join this one when his creatures ended up slaughtering eachother and going extinct trying to find a new start but whatever he creates here turns into a rotten unstable monster with a really short life span that can spread its illness to others basically mutating they’re body into grotesque forms that just seak yk death not only for others but for themselves

[lethal bobcat]

Just proper theatre of mind and a quick job

[severe rampart]

...No that sounds... not earned

[lethal bobcat]

Still fun

[severe rampart]

It would feel much better for them to do it themselves.

[valid geyser]

not for longer than like, a minute. because that's not combat

[visual dew]

yes I told them it’s gonna be super graphic they’re okay with it lol plus they’re my irl friends

[severe rampart]

Okay that's great then!

[visual dew]

Just don’t know how I’m gonna start off the campaign without going too intense in the beginning

[lethal bobcat]

I feel like the oneshots I played myself alone might be wilder than what is the norm as I did not expect stuff like this

Narrated make-believe is something I expected to be a bit more normal for specifically those games which last an hour tops

[valid geyser]

well yeah, but if you're talking about running combat in a one shot. I expect we're both talking about combat

[severe rampart]

Oneshots lasting for only one hour?

[lethal bobcat]

I genuinely lose half my expectations when someone mentions homebrew as those can go really wild too

[severe rampart]

Also D&D is very far from "narrated make-believe"... sort of

[glad arch]

Thats our average combat encounter 😂

[severe rampart]

Lmao one time a combat encounter of mine was 3 hours

[thorn wedge]

One hour game is pretty crazy, maybe with a very small party that doesn’t roleplay

And super simple combat

[severe rampart]

except they only roleplay

because they don't roll initiative or do anything, just say what they do.

[lethal bobcat]

Two hours is already the norm for sessions and when I run it like that, my players never complained

[glad arch]

One hour game is kinda crazy tbh

[valid geyser]

like yeah if youre constrained for time you can shorten up combat, but i still dont get how the solution to that is something as specific as infinite cantrips. just make all monsters die in one hit or something

[severe rampart]

have they played D&D before?

[fossil hollow]

1-2 hours is short as hell

[lethal bobcat]

One has

2 hours is the organised play standard tho

[severe rampart]

no wonder this game is so alien to us

eugh... you remind me of my first DM, no offense

[glad arch]

Our default is 4 hours +run over, last time we played 5.5 hours

[fossil hollow]

my average is 3 hours, i have one game that goes for 4 hours

[visual dew]

I remember my first time playing “the DMs first time too” he said it’s gonna be pretty short so we might finish the first part in like 45-60 mins let’s just say we spend 11 hours outside 😭

[lethal bobcat]

When I started playing again, it was AL first and you just play a module for 2 hours and then if you want you can swap places or stay

[glad arch]

I feel like 3 hours is more the standard than 2

[severe rampart]

oneshot I played at lasted for 6 hours

[fossil hollow]

ive always thought 3 is the standard yeah

[visual dew]

We finished the first act atleast lol

[lethal bobcat]

I thought organised play was the default

Or baseline

[valid geyser]

it isn't

[severe rampart]

No, it isn't

the average is 3 hours, some play for 4-6

[lethal bobcat]

I start to understand how my interpretation of the game is more alien then

[fossil hollow]

AL is a very different feel form a home game or even a non AL LGS game

[thorn wedge]

“Okay guys, you have interrogated every single random villager you found in the tavern and they all know nothing except that someone went missing and the corn crop is going to be rough this year. Can we please go outside and look for the missing person now?”

Player wants to roll a perception check to look for more villagers to talk to in the tavern

[valid geyser]

also that al thing doesnt sound like a 2 hour session. sounds like a halfway point for a 4 hour session that you can dip in or out of

[lethal bobcat]

I play at the LGS under AL rules

[severe rampart]

Honestly. You should maybe find a different system that works for the game you want to run, because D&D is NOT that

[fossil hollow]

again, AL is a very different beast

[civic bramble]

In your opinion, which barbarian is the most “Just cannot die”

[fossil hollow]

Also, we do have an AL section

[fossil hollow]

Zealot (2014)

[glad arch]

Zealots whole thing is not dying

It is the too angry to die subclass

[robust dragon]

Has there been any talk about updating older modules to add the works with 5.5 tag/label

[fossil hollow]

Their capstone is called Rage Beyond Death for a reason

[severe rampart]

Zealot

Reborn Zealot

[civic bramble]

Do Zealots need to worship a god or can they also be cursed by one?

[severe rampart]

Flavor is free

[fossil hollow]

They need to worship a god the same way paladins do (they really dont)

[civic bramble]

…………..

[glad arch]

Why reborn

[glad arch]

It means do whatever you like best for your character

[severe rampart]

Because they didn't die, at least not permanently :)

[fossil hollow]

I assume Adv on Death saves.

Rage Beyond Death still has ya rolling them iirc

[severe rampart]

Cough cough Yes! Exactly my point! well done Ti

[visual dew]

LOL To make a long story short it was a prison escape and the guards weren’t just regular humans each a diffrent race and blah blah and I didn’t have powers at the time I just had high charisma and we needed to find a way out of this huge prison (3 players btw)

[civic bramble]

You could also be a Fallen Aasimar

Just go the full Yasha build

[visual dew]

Also I was schizophrenic so that was funny

[glad arch]

Yeh but you dont die until ejd of rage and reviving is 'free", at level 14 a lvl 3 spell slot for revivify aint too far fetched

[lethal bobcat]

Aasimar my beloved

[fossil hollow]

yeah, but also, Reborn is cool

[severe rampart]

Hate to be that guy again but... Mental illnesses aren't for flavoring D&D characters

[lean wigeon]

im kobold

[glad arch]

Totally true

[severe rampart]

pat pat

[glad arch]

Youre a strong kobold

[fossil hollow]

Can Kobold beat the tarrasque

[severe rampart]

Who's a good kobold?

[lean wigeon]

yes watch me

[civic bramble]

I don’t believe they meant it in the way you thought they did.

[lethal bobcat]

I never had an issue with this I think. Is that a common rule?

[glad arch]

Common courtesy

[lethal bobcat]

Oh oops

[visual dew]

I mean idk if it’s any better but I did make my entire backstory and power system around the illness also did my research on it with some help form a friend to go in depth it wasn’t just like “oh I’m a crazy girl haha”

[lethal bobcat]

The actor from Fantastic Beasts is hot so that was my Druid personality

[fossil hollow]

Mental Illnesses typically aren't just a hat you wear willy nilly yeah

[thorn wedge]

Bear totem warrior or ancestral guardian are pretty durable.

[glad arch]

If the table is fine with it its okay but it can fall under bad taste for some people 'pretending' how someone with a certain illness would act

[fossil hollow]

oh god i love the new gremishka

magical gremlin spellcaster tormentors

[buoyant oar]

Yep people portraying mental illness who do not have it or aren't a professional in it makes for ripe stereotypes.

[visual dew]

It’s actually one of the only things keeping her from losing her body and soul from the entity she made a deal with (as a warlock)

[visual dew]

I understand where your coming from that’s the reason I tried to do my research first

[glad arch]

Even then reading it and living it offer completly different perspectives on the issue

[lethal bobcat]

I didn't get into issues with it so now I wonder if I secretly caused some concern then... At about a dozen different tables too

[glad arch]

A dozen tables? At that point id be more concerned why youre playing that many characters like that

[lethal bobcat]

One of them, my Druid

[buoyant oar]

It can be done I won't say it's impossible. Not every specialist in the field of mental illness personally is mentally ill.

But my point is you are inviting yourself to skip and frollock in a mine field.

[glad arch]

Which is also why session 0 is important

[lethal bobcat]

My example was AL so no session 0...

[glad arch]

Ill be honest i have no clue how AL works

[buoyant oar]

I once had a player character who wanted to play a multiple personality warlock.

Well low and behold. Another player's father suffered from DID and it was not a fun time. None of us could have known that. But now I am far more cautious around such concepts now.

—

As for AL play. Most of AL play is you show up with a pre made character do a one session adventure with a GM and players that you are not guaranteed to see ever again.

[glad arch]

I see

[thorn wedge]

Very table dependent. I think there’s ways to do stuff respectfully and tastefully.

[lethal bobcat]

Premade is the norm in T1 but that's a third of tables

Usually you bring your own and keep track of stuff you gained between tables

[buoyant oar]

Premade not as in the GMs you a sheet. But that you show up with a char sheet.

[glad arch]

Ofcourse no matter what you play you should play it tastefully

[lethal bobcat]

Oh right sorry. When I think premade I was thinking the actual sheets they give so new players can just join at the LGS

[glad arch]

Especially if youre playing into characteristics you the player dont have yourself

[buoyant oar]

If regular DND play is Split Screen multiplayer

AL is Xbox Live Match Making.

[lethal bobcat]

I'm starting to see the issues with playing a mental illness character. It's like Evil being banned even though I can easily think of a nondestructive way to depict an Evil rogue

[fossil hollow]

The blanket distrust/dislike of evil is because it usually ends up with a selfish character who is too much of a pain for the DM or other players to deal with

[lethal bobcat]

Oh ye easily

And I can see how bad you can fumble playing a mental disability as well

Well any disability

[stoic haven]

Our level 12 party just almost got TPK'd by 2 mind flayers

[fair summit]

Oh no

3rd one to finish things off

[fossil hollow]

Another one

[stoic haven]

We kept failing against mind blast, and they kept rolling 5 and 6s

[lethal bobcat]

You can't hit a Mind Flayer with a 6?

[strange plover]

hello there

i exist now :3

[stoic haven]

We only got out because wizard scattered us out and then wall of forced, and we dimension doored out of there

[glad arch]

5 or 6 on refreshing mind blast

[fair summit]

Yeah those things are cruel lol
Fought one in a one-shot once, spent the rest of that session stunned (:

[stoic haven]

Yup, I was stunned For 13 Rounds!

[lethal bobcat]

Oh! I didn't know and that sounds awful!

[glad arch]

Impressed you survived 13 rounds

[fair summit]

Man, I need to actually throw some mindflayers at my main party at some point. For some reason I have't done that yet lol

[stoic haven]

I was furthest from them at the beginning, and ranger temp HP

[glad arch]

10d10 with advantage melee attack is fun

[stoic haven]

I got 1 roll above a 10 in the first 26 rolls

[fossil hollow]

plus stun

[thorn wedge]

Evil being banned is sometimes a comfort thing but is more often a this character can’t reliably work together with the party or fit into the campaign narrative thing

[glad arch]

Thats just impressive tbh

[lethal bobcat]

To prevent conflicts between players, I'd never argue against this rule. I saw how bad it can get and I only ever played with this rule

Because oof some people are rough

[severe rampart]

huh

[stoic haven]

Its really funny though, our barbarian couldn't make the session, and I told him after what happened, and he just said "Cause y'all need the big tank, yall are weak casters" mind you, he is bear totem pole barbarian with -2 to int

[glad arch]

Barbarian would be the first one stunned lol

[stoic haven]

Exactly, and bear totem doesnt resist psychic

[glad arch]

Thats a nasty one

But also a stunned barbarian is really easy to take out of rage, just dont attack them

*for 1 round, then go ham

[glad ferry]

Have an ally do dsmage at that point if neccessary. Though other issue is stunned or paralyzed also gives advantage on all attacks

[stoic haven]

Anyways, was really fun, we teleported back to start of Dungeon, and then tried taking a different path, and went in a circle to where we had ended the previous session

And then ended the session

So it looks like we did absolutely nothing

[normal canyon]

Just do a unarmed strike by someone with +1 strength

[glad arch]

Didnt die, thats something

[lethal bobcat]

Actually, my Mindflayer experience in Baldur's Gate was so bad that I'm actually surprised now I read their stat block. They don't zap Intelligence anymore?

[glad ferry]

Never done a totem barbajran. Granted barbarians are also weak to intellect eaters to

[glad arch]

The real barbarians have 2 int and are immune to them

[severe rampart]

Barbarian with 20 int: "Trust me they'll NEVER expect it"

[glad ferry]

Or just go dead to a failed throw

And requires greater restoration to bring them back to consciousness

[lethal bobcat]

I'm sorry to ask maybe a stupid question but where's their -5 Int on hit ability?

[glad ferry]

My barbarian has durable, savage attacker, and mage slayer as feats

[severe rampart]

insane

you also have "tough" ?

[glad ferry]

No tough

[peak pecan]

Does anyone have access to the Ravenloft pack yet on Beyond?

[lofty rock]

Yeah sup

[lavish flame]

new UA! Villains 2!

[glad ferry]

Mage slayer in specific wad to once a long rest pass a failed wisdom or in saving throw. Whichever it is

[feral fulcrum]

Villians 2, badguy boogaloo

[glad ferry]

Just run a campaign around the adams family being the villains

[stoic haven]

True

[peak pecan]

How did you get access to it? I can click it in my Library but it won’t open

[sonic quiver]

....this is so much more clever than what i said

[sonic quiver]

you have to claim it first, I think: https://www.dndbeyond.com/claim/source/dungeon-masters-zombie-clot-play-along-pack

[peak pecan]

Thanks so much; didn’t see where to claim it

[umbral girder]

Wasn’t it once a short rest too?

[glad ferry]

It would be odd if they removed the reducing intelligence on intellect devours

[lofty rock]

I have my ways

[rough basalt]

Barbarian wont get new subs people in shambles rn

[knotty vine]

Yall I need a little help

So Im wanting to run BG:DiA for 2024 and theres a few old monster that still have resistant to non magical BPS should I leave it as is or should I change it?

[crimson gulch]

Thats a choice you need to make

There's no right or wrong answer

I have done it extensively both ways and the game runs fine either way

[severe rampart]

found out about my party
Human, Human, Tiefling, Tiefling, Dhamphir

[knotty vine]

Hm

Guess do the WoTC thing remove it and bump the hp up a little bit

That seems to be the move

[gritty totem]

how many of them have a dead parent/s in their backstory?

[knotty vine]

as for the holly phant its keeping its BPS resistance

[severe rampart]

None

[gritty totem]

that's unusual

[knotty vine]

one of these things is not like the other

I still think its funny that the hollyphant is just immune to all spells

Not even the Rakshasa could do that

[fossil hollow]

5th level or lower

Rakshasa were immune to 6th level or lower

[knotty vine]

Read the rest

, even if the spell is cast using a higher level spell slot. Such a spell can target creatures and objects within the barrier, but the spell has no effect on them

[river plank]

What are their classes?

[umbral girder]

Still 5th level or lower

[fossil hollow]

yeah? Its still immune to 5th and lower spells

[severe rampart]

I... don't know

[river plank]

Fair enough, I was just curious

[knotty vine]

Granted since it counts as an aura it also extends to allies so it can be a bad as well

[fossil hollow]

its a double edged Shield with Hollyphants

[knotty vine]

Thank god they only come from one book

[severe rampart]

Human Fighter, Human Paladin, Tiefling Sorcerer, Dhamphir don't know and Tiefling don't know

[fossil hollow]

i used one called Melon in my Sunday game. She was severely outmatched in a dragon cult dungeon

[river plank]

Hell yeah

[knotty vine]

Celesitals in dnd are usually very broken

One celestial I think is really funny is in the 2024 MM is the Empyrean

Cause if you get hit by its weapon itll ask if you wanna be stunned if you say no you just take an extra 21 force damage

I think its also the only creature with a weapon that can bypass Resistance or Immunity.

[still plover]

"Stop resisting!" Bash bash bash

[sharp geyser]

What are people’s favorite 5e setting? I want to get a vibe of which settings are worth building a campaign on?

[still plover]

Any. Build for you. There are always players for something. Personally I like the idea of a spelljammer game.

[severe rampart]

So far both of the guidances I've given have rolled max!

[still plover]

Tip your deity.

[severe rampart]

Thank Chauntea!

[grizzled lance]

you typically show no signs of injury. When you drop below half your hit point maximum, you show signs of wear, such as cuts and bruises. interesting take players handbook

[solar crow]

About to start the final session of my first ever campaign

[crimson gulch]

Good luck!

[solar crow]

Thx

It's part 3 of our BBEG fight

We got the whole party healed up and everyone got things set up and ready so we're as ready as we can be

[heavy flame]

Holaaa

[rotund agate]

Anyone here seen the original DnD cartoon?

[crimson gulch]

yeah its pretty bad

[solar crow]

We've started the fight wish us luck

[cloud bison]

Is there a way to tell the volume of the dragon magazine after Dragon Magazine Issue 30 Vol 4.4?

[still plover]

Good luck storming the castle!

[solar crow]

Not a castle but I get ya lmao

We're in a magic dungeon thing

Homebrew

[rotund agate]

Me when I lie

[crimson gulch]

Huh?

[fossil hollow]

... what

[cloud bison]

huh?

[woven flint]

Huh.

[blissful ibex]

gotta restrain those bandits somehow I guess...

[buoyant oar]

Well that is inappropriate for this space.

[fossil hollow]

Meabhy, no

[crisp rain]

sry need to confirm this for science. :3

[fossil hollow]

No

also, what Kas said

[delicate owl]

Hey, someone told me you shouldn't ask such strange questions in here because there's people here than can be as young as the requirements for making an account for Discord, so. Not all adults here, thanks for showing up though! 🙂

[crisp rain]

Sry T.T

I can remove :3

[halcyon forum]

pretty sure most dnd players never even have heard the term

[buoyant oar]

This is a discord where minors are prevalent. Don't say things you would not say to your school teacher or professor.

[crisp rain]

removed :),

[woven flint]

Who the hell starts a conversation like that? I just sat down! /ref

[thorn wedge]

Ref indeed, that’s a technical foul for sure

[sour parcel]

Thank you for removing. 🙂

[polar bane]

I wrote in 4 threads and messaged their authors but got only 1 response so far and we are not fit together 😢

[buoyant oar]

Let's get back to DnD topics.

Like how Drizzt do'Urden is the worst best friend in the realms. And Wulfgar deserves better than all of the companions of the hall.

[blissful ibex]

and how we need more common magic items

[fossil hollow]

Is Drizzt still even in Icewind Dale actually

[vale kettle]

Bruh what did bro say? now im curious

[polar bane]

why is he a worst best friend?

[buoyant oar]

Paraphrased Drizzt: "Dang Wulfgar you are suffering from your time trapped in the Abyss? You should take some time for yourself. Also, I am in love with your ex-fiance. Lol."

[woven flint]

This is why Jarlaxle is better

[twilit ibex]

I'm excited for my upcoming game. We're starting at level 5, and the party roster is fun. And ridiculous.

[vale kettle]

Insane reactions.. fine fine

[polar bane]

it is an ex, why does it matter

[polar bane]

bro it is not allowed and yo uask what it was

[buoyant oar]

Paraphrased Catti-brie: "Hey welcome back Wulfgar that cute girl delly is really good for you Drizzt and I are so happy for you. Btw have you seen my cursed possession blade? I left it in Delly's and the babies room."

[buoyant oar]

Drizzt didn't wait for the bedroom to even cool down before sliding into those DMs

[twilit ibex]

We have a Path of the Belly Brewer Barbarian Lizardman who calls himself Morgo the Great. He has 7 points in Wisdom.

That can't possibly go wrong

[buoyant oar]

Also Drizzt was a fully formed adult and watched Catti-brie and Wulfgar grow up.

There was a couple of books where Salvatore has something mentally going on and he decided to make Wulfgar's life objectively terrible in ways that were 100% not his fault lmao

[crimson gulch]

my great regret is tossing all those novels in the donate bin

mari Kwando is not the way

[severe rampart]

Had a fun session

[blissful ibex]

Marie Kondo does not spark joy

[severe rampart]

I said "Do your worst" to my DM, he did his worst

rolled nearly max damage against me which gave me a little scare

[twilit ibex]

I never listened to Maroon Condo, I couldn't possibly part with my old character sheets or tattered books

[fossil hollow]

... Maroon Condo?

[blissful ibex]

Mondo # 5?

[fossil hollow]

Mondo.. Monado?

[severe rampart]

Finally got to see my entire party
Umbra - Tiefling Bard
Line - Dhampir Ranger
Anton - Human Fighter
Salmon - Tiefling Sorcerer
Don John N. Duragon - Human Paladin

[twilit ibex]

Two of those are very humorous

[severe rampart]

is it Salmon and Don John

[blissful ibex]

Anton out here fighting all the humans

[twilit ibex]

Ye

I like playing Human Fighters. Guilty pleasure. I just love feats.

[fossil hollow]

Don... John.. N.... Duragon

Its. Its John Dragon

[severe rampart]

I love taking a pick at some feats

[blissful ibex]

John Wizards

[twilit ibex]

John Dungeons and Dragons!?

[blissful ibex]

John of the Coast

[fossil hollow]

So, John is to blame for martials sucking

[blissful ibex]

sure is

[severe rampart]

John is a Paladin

[twilit ibex]

Of course he is

[severe rampart]

Hey now this is the only time I play Paladins

and it's a Strength based paladin... eugh...

[fossil hollow]

You- You're John Dungeon & Dragons??

[blissful ibex]

I seem to mostly play Charisma classes despite despising Charisma skills XD

[severe rampart]

Don John N Duragon.

[blissful ibex]

I have a druidlock and a bardlock in semi-active rotation

[severe rampart]

I have several Bards, Sorcerers, and Warlocks... but only two Paladins.

[twilit ibex]

I love me a Charisma character. ☆Warlocks☆ Playing a Fighter with the Hero subclass from Chaosium's Cthulu by Torchlight currently. I get to use my Charisma to boss the party around 😎

[severe rampart]

I hate having a negative dex... so much 😭

[blissful ibex]

Though I know vaguely how to play everything not a paladin, or barbarian c:

[severe rampart]

rolled a 5 in initiative

[fossil hollow]

needs Alert

[severe rampart]

"I don't need Alert" I said, "my dex is fine" I said

[blissful ibex]

I have 10 dex on my main :x
mostly because she's half MAD between Wis and Cha q_q

[twilit ibex]

I went with Dexterity for my Fighter and armed him with a rapier, a shield, and half plate armor. More defense than offense.

10s in STR, INT, and WIS. 14 CON and 16 for both DEX and CHA.

[blissful ibex]

something like 8,10,13,12,16,16

[twilit ibex]

It's gonna be fun to poke poke monsters while yelling at the Barbarian and Warlock

[blissful ibex]

she doesn't hit 20 wis until she gets her boon

also max of third level spell slots at level 10 >.>
incredibly fun to play in tier 2 and beyond though, but tier 1 can be a little repetitive with mostly just Eldritch Blast spam (but that's warlock in general for you so )

[twilit ibex]

My guy will have a lot of fun options for Reactions and Bonus Actions. Giving people movement and attacks in exchange for their Reactions, granting Heroic Inspiration, countering Legendary Actions, blasting people with Temp HP...

Excitement.

[blissful ibex]

up to 12 cantrips by level ~15 (11 by 9ish), EBARB <3, loads of prepared spells, wildshape/wild companion, and a pair of third level slots that come back on a SR (with most of her better spells being third level anyway)

incredibly mobile when she needs to be and has a tool for almost every situation

[rough basalt]

Based.

[blissful ibex]

commonly using action, bonus action, movement, and reation most turn cycles c:

[twilit ibex]

It's fun to have a character that can take advantage of every action available to them during their turn

[blissful ibex]

she also hands out a lot of prone

sets things up nicely for the martials to wail on people

Tidal Wave and Water Walk + Maelstrom are very fun tools c:

also Plant Growth + like Hunger of Hadar

[twilit ibex]

I went with a mix of Zhentarim Ruffian/Zhentarim Tactics and Sentinel to help him control the field with opportunity attacks. Best I could do with a Dex Fighter focused on AC and party support.

[rough basalt]

I hope the XGE spells are reprinted in the magic book later this year

Since it has most of the Natural Disaster spells

[blissful ibex]

could really benefit from the new trigger verbage

[solar crow]

Our druid got absorbed but didn't get killed

[blissful ibex]

Ran a module a bit ago that had like 24 Vampire Spawn in a room and the DM ruled Malestrom as running water
We had them taking 20 radiant (sunlight) and 20 acid (running water) at the beginning of their turns while also sat in a bunch of additional AoEs XD

it was glorious

[quasi mirage]

Hi

[quasi mirage]

Oh heck a nitro user more than 6 years

Im seeing a real one for the firat time

First*

[twilit ibex]

I've been looking into a cool system whereby casters that both know a spell of the same level can expend two lower level spell slots together to produce the effect of the spell being cast at a higher level spell slot. The more casters, the more lower level spell slots, the higher the spell level of the effect produced.

[storm magnet]

I think I picked bad cantrips for my character

[rough basalt]

Like Circle Casting?

[quasi mirage]

Ruby nitro user💀

[blissful ibex]

that's literally like 80% of circle casting XD

[quasi mirage]

I never seen more than diamond nitro users

[rough basalt]

Ye I'd be Opal but I lost my original account due to a phone breaking and unable to get the 2FA back.

[quasi mirage]

Also how to get Hypesquad balancy?

[twilit ibex]

I did not know the name, for I am bad at looking at headers. Neat, Circle Casting

[quasi mirage]

Or is it disabled on discord?

[quasi mirage]

The gif on ur bio is from anime named tokyo ghoul yes?

The white rose

[rough basalt]

Looks like

[blissful ibex]

was an old, old program they had were users were put into like three groups or something; not sure if it's still a thing

[quasi mirage]

Its nkt exist

[twilit ibex]

Indeed it is, good spot

[storm magnet]

What’re good uses for mage hand?

[rough basalt]

I'm a grandpa discord user

[blissful ibex]

oppening/triggering things remotely that doen't require checks
grabbing things from far off
etc

[quasi mirage]

Oh i thought ur woman ;-;

[rough basalt]

I remember when it came out and it was a godsend cause other stuff at the time sucked.

[quasi mirage]

Sorry

[blissful ibex]

ye, vent was ass and skype was... yeah

[twilit ibex]

Say your character's party is locked behind bars and the keys to their cell are just across the room. Mage Hand~! Or maybe your character is in combat, and one of their allies manages to disarm an enemy of their really cool weapon. Mage Hand~!

[storm magnet]

Ahh I see!

Or maybe I can hold a piece of dynamite or other explosive out infront of an enemy’s face

[twilit ibex]

So long as it weighs 10 lbs. or less, absolutely.

[tired plume]

I have a dumb D&D question regarding the Immovable rod.

If you were to swing the rod, and then press its button on the apex of the swing you'd go flying as the momentum would continue going.

What happens to the momentum after you unlock it from its place, will the momentum on the rod continue and go flying or will it just drop on the floor?

[craggy summit]

I'd interpret it as it dropping on the ground instead of the momentum being carried over

[rough basalt]

Yeah games not a physics simulator.

[lean wigeon]

gurps fixes this

[rough basalt]

I don't think the average dnd player could handle gurps

[proven prairie]

Wtf is gurps 😭😭😭

Gurt: yo

[idle oar]

A different TTRPG system

[rough basalt]

Generic Universal Role-Playing System

[lean wigeon]

/rj it's a dnd homebrew

[proven prairie]

Yo chat how do I get into a game

[rough basalt]

Luck and persistence.

[proven prairie]

I'm new to this stuff and always wanted to try

[lean wigeon]

/uj it's a generic system
alot of its appeal comes from the fact that it's modular. it's got a ton of rulebooks you can plug and play

[rough basalt]

And time.

I'd say probably within 2 or 3 weeks on average.

[proven prairie]

I tried playing it locally but I got turned down once and didn't really find anyone else that even knows about dnd

[rough basalt]

Ye irl play is especially more luck dependent.

[lean wigeon]

so like, if you want dungeon fantasy, you can use the GURPS Fantasy and Magic sourcebooks for something like D&D, or GURPS Space and High-Tech for science fiction

[proven prairie]

So it's a game engine

[lean wigeon]

yeah

it's not as much of a TTRPG system as it is a toolkit you use to make your own TTRPG

[blissful ibex]

Once you're ready to play, head over to #find-a-game, one of the many LFG discord servers, r/lfg on reddit, or your friendly local game store. If you'd like a printable character sheet, those can be found here.

[rough basalt]

Keep in mind that getting into a game as a player is not easy

[blissful ibex]

might take maybe like a week or so to find a suitable table depending on time zone

[solar crow]

Y'all we've done enough damage to our boss that it's finally stopped healing it's wounds instantly and it's almost down!!!!

[rough basalt]

The player to dm ratio is around 1:1000

[blissful ibex]

far more players than DMs

[proven prairie]

Dawg I live in romania we got NO game stores

[rough basalt]

And not all DMs are recruiting nor running games.

[proven prairie]

Is there like a pdf I can scribble over

[blissful ibex]

would try r/lfg then as they tend to have far more games based in europe

though the odd posting does happen here as well

[blissful ibex]

could also try libraries, game cafes, community centers, etc.
doesn't necessarialy have to be an LGS, it's basically just shorthand for 'check listings in your area'

[proven prairie]

It's still very rural out here

Especially in the area I live

[blissful ibex]

regardless, keep checking here in #looking-for-players and on r/lfg and you'll find one eventually

[umbral girder]

Thats very generous

[drowsy current]

Hello all, I am new to 5.5e and want to know is the new hold monster work on undead now? Thank you.

[still plover]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/2619152-hold-monster

"Choose a creature that you can see within range. The target must succeed on a Wisdom saving throw or have the Paralyzed condition for the duration."

So yes, unless they're immune to Paralysis.

[rough basalt]

Ye true. It's probably moreso 1:1,000,000

[drowsy current]

Thank you!

[crimson gulch]

Categorically yes but some are specificly immune

[modern knoll]

yooooo can people give me a list of items that cause the frightened condition?

[errant crag]

Let's talk about Silvery Barbs

I'm thinking about giving the resident power player at my table Silvery Barbs always prepared without counting against his prepared spells

Because I've always heard oh it's so OP it's so game breaking, but have never found that to be the case in my experience

So I wanna give him Silvery Barbs and see if he can make me annoyed by it

[slender mason]

in the Mobs page of the DMG, it says to use the Size of Emanations rather than radius

is... is that not the same thing

[still plover]

Do it.

[solar crow]

We did it!!

[obtuse stratus]

Good eveniong dnd discussion, am drinbkinbg

[crimson gulch]

For the first 18 sessions of my dark harvest game silvery barbs allways had me roll higher

[fossil hollow]

thank god SB just takes the lower

[frail wasp]

that seems statistically unlikely :V

[fossil hollow]

Not when Urizt is rolling

Nat 40 for a reason

[errant crag]

I really just don't see how it's overpowered

[frail wasp]

gotta get some lotto tickets then

[errant crag]

If it forced them to fail the attack/save and then gave advantage to someone else I'd see it but the fact it just makes them reroll seems fine to me

[fossil hollow]

its mostly been the most effective to negate crits in my experience

[errant crag]

That's only time I ever see it getting used

[crimson gulch]

It's not, unless you run weak adventuring days and casters can use it every turn with no sweat

So at a casual table that does not run hard days, it seems OP

[fossil hollow]

Or dont offer up reasons to use other Reaction spells

[errant crag]

Something I saw somebody say in another server is that Silvery Barbs punishes bad DMing habits and that's why it feels OP to some peoples

[fossil hollow]

Like, if youre not forcing casters to pick between Absorb Elements, Shield, Counterspell, or SB, what are ye doing

[glass granite]

Probably grappling

Eh even then

[errant crag]

Being:
Single creature combats
Short adventuring days
And not capitalizing on players using up resources/reactions

[crimson gulch]

Yes exactly.
One monster fights
One fight per long rest

It's the cure for one-itus

[vital crypt]

I am doing witchlight carnival and I am a level 4 Ranger with Longbow and Shortbow Proficiency with Bracers of Archery, Archery Feat, and Sharpshooter feat, I also am a Fey Wanderer meaning I get the +4 on my already wild damage, and I also have Hail of Thorns on top of that

😭

I lose my bow and I am dead basically

[frail wasp]

so what I'm gathering is ... "for dms that think silvery barbs is overpowered ... skill issue"

[fossil hollow]

yeap

[errant crag]

I wouldn't put it that way but I wouldn't call that an incorrect way to put it

[crimson gulch]

Yes

[errant crag]

It's not even a skill things it's a preference thing

Those DMs prefer to run their games in a way that vastly empowers casters and silvery barbs in particular

[crimson gulch]

Those bad habits cause a lot of problems that they by and large acknowledge as problems

[fossil hollow]

also the number one place where martials and casters tend to really gap

[hot reef]

Or the DM can use the longer rests optional rule (I say as I have one combat a day and don’t use that rule)

[errant crag]

I definitely appreciate having martials around as a Caster when I'm playing under a DM who runs proper adventuring days

[lethal bobcat]

so because of an earlier convo and learning Volo's was fully superseded, I opened it up and I found a grammer error at the start of Chapter 2 😭

utterly worthless

[frail wasp]

ugh i hate bad grammer

[lethal bobcat]

it, is indeed the worse..

[errant crag]

As long as I understand what someone is saying I don't care about grammar

[lethal bobcat]

in all fairness, I do criticize books which cost a week of groceries (at the time) when made by a massive corporation

I feel like you're allowed to nitpick premium media like that

[vital crypt]

Guys I am new to dnd and got into it 2 months ago lol

Fav Classes are Ranger and Cleric, favorite subclass is war cleric

[onyx vapor]

I’m looking for a little advice for my game. Most of my players want to leave the city and branch out to a new area, while one of my players wants to stay because he has a wife and kid there, which makes sense to me. It was originally a city-based campaign and was meant to take place in this city, which is why he created a family there. However, the campaign has gone on much longer than it was supposed to, because the players wanted to keep playing.

[thick lagoon]

Lowkey cant find any dnd games that arent 18+ 💔

[hot reef]

You can have them make a new PC, nothing wrong with peaceful retirement

[frail wasp]

tbh i'm not sure why having a wife and kids would preclude going on adventures

[onyx vapor]

Is having him make a new character fair. It feels like I'd be forcing it on him

[errant crag]

If you plan on taking the rest of the party outside of the city into broader adventuring and his character would refuse, then respectfully retiring his character and having him make a new one isn't unreasonable

[fossil hollow]

... Responsibilities and fear of dying?

[lethal bobcat]

the alternative is... none, is there? though ask him first anyway

[frail wasp]

being unmarried doesn't change that equation >_>

half of the campaigns i've been in, including the one i'm in right now, had at least one char with a family, shrug

[lethal bobcat]

first off, before asking places like this to have your ideas validated, I'd recommend taking two steps back and talk one-on-one, as you'd need to anyway in this instance

[hot reef]

You can ask him whether he wants to make a new character or come up with a reason why his current character wants to keep adventuring

[plush ermine]

since spellcasting got an interesting change with circle casting, is it too game changing to officially incorporate the manuever/exploits rules that alot of martial homebrew reworks do in a future book?

[lean wigeon]

my issue with this is, as the GM said, the campaign was originally focused on the city, and thus the player made a PC that would engage with the city setting as much as possible, and now the group would be potentially throwing said PC under the bus because the scope of the campaign suddenly changed from what was discussed at session 0

i think that should be kept in mind as well

[crimson gulch]

I had a player once convince a local blacksmith to hire them full time and then iwas like ok Theo you have retired from adventuring to be an apprentice blacksmith, who is your new charicter

[crimson gulch]

We have no idea what's coming in new books

[plush ermine]

ik they arent afraid to add optional rules that shake up the power balance of the game, like dragonmarks and circle casting, so im hoping they can port this over.

[frail wasp]

its super easy to say yes since none of us are even remotely attached to that process lol

[lean wigeon]

i too would be a bit miffed if i created a character whose background and story is contingent on the city only to suddenly switch the scope of the story mid-campaign to an entirely different setting

[errant crag]

Unrelated but people playing as existing fictional characters is such a massive peeve of mine

Like it really bothers me, it completely ruins my ability to be invested in the game in almost any capacity

[cinder timber]

You mean people that join in as Aragorn from lotr?

[errant crag]

If it's a non serious one shot with no real broader consequence it's whatever

I don't care then

But if it's a campaign it completely ruins it for me

The game becomes a joke game in my eyes

[lean wigeon]

this is my character yuta okkotsu

[errant crag]

Any existing fictional character being 1 to 1 ported into the game

Taking inspiration is fine, making something based on something else is fine

[plush ermine]

1 to 1 ports are cheap, i at least reimagine it under dnd lore and make it a different char.

[errant crag]

But someone being like "This is my character Naruto he's literally Naruto from Naruto" completely ruins the game for me

[bronze canopy]

I’m running a seafaring campaign and one of my players decided to play Zoro from One Piece, name and everything. I am slowly trying to shift him away from that. First, we changed his name to Zowo

[errant crag]

The game would be ruined for me I wouldn't be able to treat it seriously

[frail wasp]

that ... uh ... doesn't sound like an improvement

[errant crag]

I would likely end up leaving if it's not a group I'm friends with already

It just eats away at my ability to care about the game and it's story and what's happening in it

[bronze canopy]

We’re working on it

[cinder timber]

He wants to be the next hokage

[solar crow]

My party as a whole today in the whole session did a little over 3500 damage

[cinder timber]

Boom u got pc motivation lol

[errant crag]

It's not about motivation

Or the quality of their roleplaying or storytelling

They're playing as an existing fictional character and it's taken me out of the game by virtue of that being the case

[frail wasp]

insert meme about flex tape here

[errant crag]

They could write Shakespeare as that character I wouldn't care

This is all from my perspective as a player

[plush ermine]

one of my players did a marvel rivals daredevil rip off, named Kade, born blind, originally used 2 billy clubs but recently recieved a dragons wrath weapon 3 section staff from the captive shadow dragon kept within the orb that he has been attuned to ever since his master Yinglong entrusted it to him. I like it alot, and being able to compare to the flashy designs of marvel rivals daredevil is helpful in visualizing.

[errant crag]

If somebody showed up to my table where I'm the DM with an existing character that was just a 1 to 1 rip from an existing thing, I would genuinely feel insulted/disrespected.

[plush ermine]

hes a newb and i helped him make the char, and usually the common approach ive seen is referencing something u like.

[errant crag]

This would be fine with me because he's taking inspiration and at least changing stuff

Instead of being like "My character is Daredevil he's literally Daredevil"

[crimson gulch]

I don't feel insulted or disrespected like that, I don't mind when folks take inspiration as long as they followed the charicter creation rules I put out

But if someone tries to force in some homebrew junk that's a problem

[errant crag]

I'm not talking about taking inspiration I'm talking 1 to 1 playing as the existing fictional character

That's what bothers me

[lean wigeon]

here is my magus class homebrew

[frail wasp]

no other class gonna do that

[crimson gulch]

Yeah, I had an artificer that was a 1 to one tony stark named tiny stark as a gnome

[barren tiger]

Damn

[plush ermine]

iron man is my main inspiration for armorer artificer

[errant crag]

And it only really bothers me in serious campaigns if it's a goofy fun one shot that isn't a broader serious thing then I don't care

[barren tiger]

Artificer go brr try next decade perhaps

[crimson gulch]

I just generally find that backstories are irrelevant so it dosent matter what they brings

[plush ermine]

what did a person play that inspired this chat

[bronze canopy]

i just think that the 1 to 1, taking motives and play style and all is a bit lazy

[errant crag]

A Phoenix Wright character in a superhero TTRPG I play

[errant crag]

It feels to me like they're not respecting the game they're joining

[crimson gulch]

We find ourselves on the journy togeather, not before

[errant crag]

If the DM is making a serious mystery campaign and we all make actual characters for that campaign and then the last guy shows up with Norville "Shaggy" Rogers I'm immediately thinking in my head "sick I don't care anymore this game is a joke now"

It's definitely a ME issue

[bronze canopy]

I'm running the game for my players, my friends. If they're being lazy, it hurts them more than me when they're "not respecting the game"

[errant crag]

And I know it's unreasonable of me

There's nothing inherently wrong with people playing characters like this

I just have an inability to get over it

[bronze canopy]

it's a valid emotion

[buoyant oar]

I do my best to work in player Backstories. I don't mind one bit swapping a module baddie with an NPC from a backstory. Backstory has to be semi relevant. Though.

If we're adventuring in Neverwinter and your backstory is that you are a lost kazakoran Prince. We might not touch that one.

To me working in backstory is a good way to make a player feel like a participant in the world beyond just an game adventurer

[plush ermine]

yea most of these convos are ppl arguing over things that arent inherently wrong just that u hate. like me i hate RAW spamming dms who refuse to do anything that isnt explicitly stated in the book. Like im playing a druid, but i want to learn spells, technically i cant do that, but the question is why? game mechanic wise is cus its a part of the wizard identity to learn and master magic, but why does the ritual casting wisdom based caster whose identity also includes living in large druid circles under archdruids who impart wisdom not be able to learn ANYTHING. Or when I play a monk, whose whole description is Monk weapon is learning mastery of a weapon, but u dont learn weapon masteries. Ik game mechanic wise is cus martials need stuff to balance amongst each other. Same w Valor Bards, in what world can u be trained in martial weapons and medium armor, and care about combat, but have neither WM or a fighting style?

[buoyant oar]

It's the difference between Geralt of Rivia and Oblivion's Hero of Kvatch

[errant crag]

That's funny because I'm a strictly RAW DM, I'm very iron fisted when it comes to Rool of Cool

[buoyant oar]

As far as Raw goes. I'm a firm believer that limitations and restrictions breed creativity. Putting down boundaries on what a character can and cannot do can foster a better experience

[errant crag]

yes!

That's exactly how I feel about it

I find doing cool things within the bounds of RAW to be much more satisfying than being like "DM may I pretty please do this thing that would be cool"

[rough basalt]

I agre

[errant crag]

It's like how building a big elaborate structure in Minecraft is a lot more impressive in Survival than it is in Creative

[rough basalt]

Its why I like level 1 a lot. The lack of easy solutions breeds the most creativity

[buoyant oar]

It's one of the reasons hidden in there that people have issues with the amount of utility casters can exploit.

It feels bad as a martial to some people that the wizard can warp reality and do consistent big damage.

I'm not saying other case is true or accurate. I'm not making a case for either one

[plush ermine]

for me its the opposite lol, i patch in so much homebrew it makes playing base dnd feel weird. Rule of Cool for me has limits, but ive never really seen insane request that didnt get fixed with a check to see if they can that accurately places how hard it would be to do that.

[buoyant oar]

For me if it's Homebrew items or monsters that's different. But when it comes to Homebrew like classes or features, if I don't make it, it's going through a thorough review

Mainly because a lot of Homebrew options while they can be fun are attempting to turn D&D into a different kind of game. And at that point I'd just rather go play that RPG

[plush ermine]

i dont like homebrew classes, but features and subclasses are my fav.

[buoyant oar]

See I barely allowed any Homebrew subclasses, especially if they weren't setting specific, mainly because the game has over 120 subclasses already. If you can't find your niche within this, we got a problem

[errant crag]

I don't allow any homebrew at my games if it wasn't something I made myself for a specific purpose, and rarely allow third party content

[turbid vessel]

i haven't ever been asked by a player to use a homebrew class, but i reckon it's a case-by-case thing. some homebrew is really interesting and well balanced! some is bad

[fossil hollow]

dunno about some

[lean wigeon]

for a game with 12 core classes and 120 subclasses it's quite funny how it does not have a proper arcane spellblade character fantasy option lol

[buoyant oar]

Hexblade and Bladesinger?

[turbid vessel]

well actually, i ran a one-shot and allowed a player to play a bloodhunter. but like, bloodhunter is well written and decently balanced so i have no qualms with it

[errant crag]

I like that when my player says "I'm playing an Orc Gloomstalker Ranger" I know almost everything that character is capable of with that information alone

[rough basalt]

Indeed.

[buoyant oar]

I'd classify bloodhunter as a third party thing A company produced it.

[rough basalt]

It's why I only allow my own homebrew and third party I own

[turbid vessel]

the first time i ever played dnd, we were all green as all hell and i didn't know to have a distinction between official and homebrew content. i just assumed looking up "dnd classes" would give me things i wanna see. so I played a really terribly balanced class, and i only realized how bad it was when i found it again a year or two ago

[lean wigeon]

bladesinger is a fullcaster that ironically wants to spend less time being in melee anyway
hexblade meanwhile has that whole patron baggage which makes it not entirely compatible with the typical fantasy of a spellblade, which is just a mix of fighter and wizard but as a monoclass

[rough basalt]

Cause I can say off the top of my head from my Blood Magic HB
Homing Bloodmass 1st level hemalurgy does 3d4 + 6 damage to the caster then does 2d4+2 damage to each target hit by the spells three projectiles.
But I can't say what Dungeon Dad's Bloody Tidal Wave from some dmsguild product.

[errant crag]

The only time I'd really allow third party stuff is if a player showed up to my IRL game with the physical third party book wanting to play something from it

[plush ermine]

ppl keep trying to put Kensei monk on me when i say i want a "armorless sword saint" but 2014 version literally incentivizes u to hold it while u unarmed strike. Tbh samurai could be close, but if u give them a unarmored defense and deflect atk then u will have ppl saying "UR STEALING FROM MONKS"

[errant crag]

Barbarian

Longsword Barbarian

You're not raging you're locked in and super focused

[lean wigeon]

i might as well mention eldritch knight as well cuz that subclass is absolutely doodoo at the whole "spell" half of being a spellblade, considering they're a third caster

[buoyant oar]

But why would you create a mix of a fighter and a wizard when that already exists in the bladesinger or the Eldritch Knight?

Mono classes are not meant to be two classes stuck into a blender. The base class has to be a unique identity.

[plush ermine]

only monks can deflect atks, and that to me is the greatest sin.

Parrying and deflecting with ur blade are key to that sword saint theme, and yes ik u can "flavor ur misses" as that but mechanics beat reflavor to me.

[lethal bobcat]

level 1 Barb doesn't feel the strongest but it's really fun to do if you wanna force unarmored defense in early

[errant crag]

Fair enough

Defensive Duelist feat I guess

[buoyant oar]

It's always important to remember that HP is not a measure of health points. It's more stamina than anything

[errant crag]

I feel like that feat is not very good though personally

Depending on your dex and con yeah medium armor is better

[plush ermine]

beat me to it, i was gonna say either Defensive dualist is undermined by the existence of deflect atks.

[lean wigeon]

you are misconstruing my words when i say "mix of fighter and wizard"
you know i do not mean literally as in mixing their in-game mechanics and class features as much as i am referring to a hybrid of their class fantasies

[errant crag]

My Changeling Berserker Barbarian is wearing an Adamantine Breastplate

[lean wigeon]

and my issue with bladesinger and eldritch knight is that their respective class fantasies leans heavily into being a wizard and fighter, respectively, instead of being a "third option"

[errant crag]

I prefer the humble Fighter Wizard multiclass

[buoyant oar]

Yeah, the multi-class option is the avenue. Having a mono class that mixes both martial and Arcane attributes equally. Would have to be weaker at each side than the fighter or the wizard. Otherwise it'd be too powerful.

[errant crag]

Still gotta work on my Barbarian Wizard character I was making

[plush ermine]

also is limited to finesse weapons. and yes ik u can use str on a finesse weapon but i dont want to use lower scaling finesse weapons. (tbh it should be available to all melee weapons (and not kept behind a feat))

[buoyant oar]

Wanting a monoclass character that is good at martial fighting and good at casting spells, is having cake and eating it too

Which obviously if there's a demand for it. People can go make it and run with it, but I personally don't believe it should be a default option in the game.

[errant crag]

Has War Wizard been reprinted in any of the recent UAs?

[fossil hollow]

no 😔

[buoyant oar]

Not that I am aware of.

[errant crag]

Good I need War Wizard for my Barbarian Wizard

[lean wigeon]

half-casters

[outer wraith]

i love orcs

thats it bye

[lean wigeon]

i've also never once mentioned that i want a monoclass that is both as good at fighting as a fighter and as good at casting as a wizard. where are you getting this? the only thing i said is that i want a hybrid or mix of their class fantasies and having a "third option" arcane spellblade option that eldritch knight and bladesinger can't quite provide since both lean too heavily into their respective base class fantasies

[rough basalt]

Half-casters are in their own lane.

[ripe nimbus]

i’m not sure what you (or people in general really) mean by this sometimes. i wouldn’t houserule that Druids can learn new spells (that’s not how Druid magic works) but there’s plenty of stuff I don’t need the rules to tell me they can do to let my players do them. They can try to paint a rope grey and tie it between two pitons in a stone room to try to trick an enemy to tripping over it like a tripwire, or something.

and sometimes people use “rule of cool” to refer to that, but my principle is much more “rule of of course you can do that you have hands”

[rough basalt]

Rope is quite noticeable even if painted.

It's pretty thick.

[ripe nimbus]

it wouldn’t automatically succeed but if it’s dark in the room, sufficiently distracting, etc. sure there’s a chance

[rough basalt]

Sure. Usually "rule of cool" means it automatically works or works under any circumstances.

[ripe nimbus]

I don’t think something should happen because it’s cool, but things should absolutely be able to happen if they make sense

or at least have a chance to

[undone rain]

Wonder how an all paladin/cleric party would go

[lean wigeon]

how are we defining rule of cool

[undone rain]

Or rather an all radiant party

[rough basalt]

Rule of cool itself is very awkward

Alot of people allow it to basically turn their games into ruleless wastelands.

[ripe nimbus]

idk i think there’s an attitude that sometimes the rules of an RPG are exhaustive or rule actions “in” and if an action isn’t explicitly listed then it’s a really hard sell that you should be able to attempt it

and my attitude is more, you can try anything you’d be able to try irl

[rough basalt]

Like people in other dnd places sometimes will wanna kill you if you say you don't let your casters do water in lungs and stuff.

[glad ferry]

Twilight domain cleric, oath breaker paladin, oath of vengeance paladin

[ripe nimbus]

the rules are just guidelines for adjudicating especially common uncertainties

[rough basalt]

One quick way to get banned off some dnd places is saying "I don't let my casters use irl physics"

[ripe nimbus]

i mean, irl physics in what sense

[rough basalt]

Or that you won't let a barbarian break a mountain in half

[rough basalt]

In "I wanna autowin this encounter and you're a bad dm if you don't let me" sense

[ripe nimbus]

because i let everyone use irl physics sometimes, because if people can lean on what they know about how the real world works, it’s easier for them to make decisions in universe

[glad ferry]

The more complicated the process the higher the DC is

[plush ermine]

ik druids "draw their magic from nature or a deity" but how exactly does that translate into them not being able to find another way of applying that magic through a new/different spell as long as its within the nature, animals and elements theme. (ignoring that u can also reflavor a spell into becoming these things.)

[rough basalt]

I just tell people no and to learn the rules unless it's something harmless.

[ripe nimbus]

druids can already select from their full spell list every day

[lean wigeon]

peasant railcannon

[ripe nimbus]

I mean if we’re on a 50' cliff, a group of enemies is below, and we have a 500lb boulder a few inches from the edge, rolling it off should deal some improvised damage to some of them (if it’s positioned right)

[rough basalt]

Oh yeah that I'd allow

There's just a lot of nonsense that a portion of the community enables and demonizes you if you don't under the "rule of cool" umbrella.

[ripe nimbus]

i guess i think the issue there is that it’s nonsense

not that it’s not in the rules or not RAW

if that makes sense

[glad ferry]

Then use the spell reverse gravity. Have the enemies float up then let them fall down after releasing the spell

If it makes sense then it'd allowed. If its dumb no

[solar crow]

We had a fun crazy end to our fight none of our players actually landed the final blow on our boss

[rough basalt]

I mean the spell accounts for that iirc.

They keep going until they hit something and when the spell ends they fall.

[glad ferry]

Or better yet one persoj cast reverse gravity and another place stink cloud and another place the thorny ground slell below

So each step they take in the area deals 1d4 damage and its a 20 ft square just like stinking cloud is

[plush ermine]

ik that there are mechanics to how each caster gets their spells, and the rate of how they can change them. But what i dont like is how they cannot learn anything outside of their own spell list. Like if a circle of the land or sea druid wants Witch bolt or chromatic orb or frost fingers as a early level elemental spell, then beside of MI u cant really get them, and forget about beyond level 1. Druids are the "elemental" casters but get most of their elemental spells from subclass based prepared spells that borrow from the other casters.

[glad ferry]

Depending on druids you can maybe give them more specialties depending on setting kinda like how kelith was set up

[undone rain]

Would a hollyphant be strong enough as a celestial patron or nah

[fossil hollow]

ask your DM

[glad ferry]

Just run it for the fun of it

[fossil hollow]

its the same CR as a Unicorn, which is another celestial option reccomended

[glad ferry]

If dm is good with it. Not all deities have to be strong enough

[plush ermine]

maybe, and if not just ask ur dm to upscale the hollyphant.

[glad ferry]

Would be interesting to play one where your the first clergy of the deity who isn't known yet. They just came to power

[errant crag]

Fiendish elephant called a Hellephant

[plush ermine]

This is a hollyphant upscale.

[fossil hollow]

The Elephant Fiend is called Maelephant

[vital crypt]

I ❤️ Ranger

[plush ermine]

unfortunately that doesnt solve the problem fully cus yes that is a good way to explain how ppl get their level ups and spells, but what i mean is how to get things that druids or any caster doesnt already have in their lists that would make sense for them to have.

[ripe nimbus]

druids aren’t elemental casters, they’re primal holy casters

[empty thicket]

W...what?

oh wait, primal

[ripe nimbus]

like clerics, they pray for preparing their spells (at least they did in earlier editions; the flavor was stripped out of spell preparation a bit in this edition)

[plush ermine]

ik, im just saying that its weird that its a part of the game in the first place.

[ripe nimbus]

druid was a cleric/priest based class originally remember

[undone rain]

So what was the point of adding the nature domain

[ripe nimbus]

good question

ask wotc

[undone rain]

Dont think ill get a good answer

[lean wigeon]

this is a sign that we should go back to only having 4 classes

[undone rain]

Nouuuu

I like my paladins as their own class thank you very much

[fossil hollow]

Filling out domains

[paper portal]

It's cool as hell :3

[lean wigeon]

paladins would be under priest

[fossil hollow]

weren't they a fighter sub

[lean wigeon]

idk i forget

probably

[undone rain]

Yes they were

[lean wigeon]

but i think it'd make sense for them to be priest so each category would have 3 classes

Fighter Barbarian Monk

Rogue Ranger Bard

Cleric Druid Paladin

Wizard Sorcerer Warlock

yippee

[buoyant oar]

The best classes

Fighting Man
Magic User
Thief
Elf
Dwarf

[fossil hollow]

Fighter man. Fighter man

[undone rain]

Mm my favorite

I sure cant wait to play oathman

[lavish flame]

Back when the Class Groups were out, they told us what Class Group each class would be:
Expert: Artificer, Bard, Ranger, Rogue
Priest: Cleric, Druid, Paladin
Mage: Sorcerer, Warlock, Wizard
Warrior: Barbarian, Fighter Monk

so like yeag ur spot on with it

[umbral girder]

Oh hey OneD&D’s class groups

[plush ermine]

its crazy that the class that references nature magic, elements and elemental destruction so many times in its description would have less effective elemental spells then the other casters. unforunately ur right that theres description and practice, where yea they play more like "primal" holy casters, but thats weird.

[lean wigeon]

maybe wotc should hire me
i can fix dnd 5e

[fossil hollow]

technically speaking, primal is under divine

[buoyant oar]

About 4 years too late on that one bucko

[empty thicket]

i like to see druids like people who can sense the nature magic and use it, like rangers

[umbral girder]

It was Experts, Priests, Warriors, Mages

[fossil hollow]

i dont think it was until recently that they were seperated

[umbral girder]

Artificer was one of the experts

[plush ermine]

true, i always loved merging spiritual and elemental magics to explain how they are stronger than normal.

[buoyant oar]

Yea that was also at the time they stressed they were holding Artificer back and then released it a 6 months to a year later lol

[plush ermine]

well i mean, ur not learning stuff out of thin air, just like a wizard has to find a source to learn, i would expect any other caster to at least see it, or seek it out.

[umbral girder]

Well it said “artificer from the book Eberron Rising from the Last War”

[crimson gulch]

2 years nearly now since the 2024 Handbook dropped

[umbral girder]

Actually it’s been a thing at least as early as 4th edition

[fossil hollow]

only 2 decades grabs cane to lean on

[umbral girder]

When they made Player’s Handbook 2: Primal, Arcane, and Divine Heroes

I guess it’s a way to say Divine Magic is outer planes and primal magic material plane maybe?

[crimson gulch]

it dosent need fixing it works great

[celest spire]

Man it's been three days and they still haven't updated the international site for D&D Beyond. I mean how are folks suppose to pre order their newest product...

[mortal tangle]

Hello, I’m new to this server. How do dnd games work here?

[idle oar]

We don't host D&D games here

But if you're new to D&D check out #learn-to-play and #dnd-newcomers

And then if you're ready to find a group to play with, read #find-a-game

[mortal tangle]

Ah, I was hoping to find a group to play with and dm for people

[primal estuary]

i’ve met some awesome people on this server, DJ. lots are newbie friendly, so i’m sure you’ll find a great party in no time

[idle oar]

Then read #find-a-game to learn how to use our Looking For Game channels

[mortal tangle]

Gotchu

[crimson gulch]

From local shops ideally

[celest spire]

It's coming up to 3 weeks and the site still hasn't been updated.

[celest spire]

I can't get the ultimate bundle from the local shops. Which means I'll end up missing out on exculsive content.

[amber cosmos]

Hello

How’s it going

[crimson gulch]

Nothing is exclusive about that bundle everything will be sold separately

And I don't know where you live but the import duties and slow shipping internationally made me never want to buy direct from dnd beyond

It's murder how slow the internatanal shipping is

Faster to wait and get it all from local shops

[amber cosmos]

i am new to dnd it is very fun

[celest spire]

Digital Pre-order Bonus: the Mists of Ravenloft Digital Dice Set, Dungeon Masters: Ravenloft Play-Along Pack, and D&D Encounters: Shadows of Sithicus mini-adventure.

[crimson gulch]

The dungeon master pack is allready out, the mini adventure will be available separately, you got me on the digital dice tho

[rough basalt]

I'm looking forward to the ravenloft book coming out

[crimson gulch]

Me too they are setting aside the alt art for me at the shop

[celest spire]

The dungeon master pack isn't out. Only the first part is claimable. After that's claimed. You have to have pre ordered to be able to claim each part every week.

[crimson gulch]

Welp, if only they valued the international market enough to have that setup for yall, sorry

[celest spire]

Yeah, it's weird because it was set up for the forgotten realms.

[plush ermine]

Cus since i want almost all casters to be able to “learn” a spell as long as its fitting, i would always be playing wizard. Its one of those cases where a feature is being gate kept for the sake of balace when really alot more ppl should be getting it.
Sorcerors own metamagic, and sorry wizard despite the fact alot of other famous wizards make or alter spells to become their own, u will never be able to do that cus thats a sorceror feature.
Sorry all other casters, u will never learn a spell outside of ur class list no matter how fitting cus its a wizard feature.
Sorry barbs rogues and gishes, despite how ur consider either martials or have been using weapons for a long time, ur not allowed to have WM or fighting styles cus its a part of certain martials features.
Funny enough my gestalt idea was circle of land x evoker wizard for this exact case.

[empty thicket]

oh true, barbarians dont get fighting style

[plush ermine]

Ppl want martials to parry and strike back, sry its a monk feature.
Gish who wants to use their spellcasting mod for melee atks, better play bladelock, bladesinger, use shillelagh, or only really get 1 atk cus of true strike.
Unarmed barbarian? Cant use unarmed fighting style so stuck with d4’s with tavern brawler.

[umbral girder]

Notably wizards do get ways that alters their spells. That’s called their Subclass.

[empty thicket]

but yes masteries

Yep but change a certain kind of spells around a "category"

[crimson gulch]

Yeah that's all fine.
Battlemaster also gets riposte, unarmed barb works with beast barb.

Casters don't need buffs

[empty thicket]

while other casters change in many ways
Warlock get a certain list of extra spells
Sorc get lot of features with some stuff and some spells

Artificer determinate its whole style in the subclass

in general is kinda supportish but can be a backline dps or a frontline tank

[plush ermine]

I mean like the creation of spells or altering spells like with things like anything named after otiluke, tasha, jallarzi etc.

[empty thicket]

love the idea of battlemaster, but would love to have access to some maneuvers already at base and battle master only upgrade them

without having to grab that fighting style

[primal estuary]

hello, lads, lassies, and lotherwise. how are we doing on this fine thursday evening

or perhaps not the evening, depending on your time zones

[empty thicket]

Tired, waiting with a lot of excitment the next weekend session

[plush ermine]

Tbh the spellcasting melee atks mod was cus of issues with valor bard , beastmaster ranger, and paladin issues for me for with dealing with scaling a physical stat vs a spell stat and how that interacts with the scaling of ur features.

[crimson gulch]

Yep and RAW works great

[primal estuary]

ditto

[empty thicket]

The dm delayed it at surprise so i asked in return for it a Bottle of Boundless Coffee (Rp purpose)

[odd valley]

currently sitting and listening in on a wm roleplay session