dnd-discussion

[zinc hare]

Hmm

[glass granite]

Or you can absolutely dominate social encounters with eloquence

[severe rampart]

yeah, hopefully you didn't get brainwashed by One-shot Questers and their stereotypes of D&D

[crystal hatch]

Nahhhh

[severe rampart]

Or you can Aura Farm with Valor Bard

[glass granite]

I’d argue you can aura farm more with eloquence

[tough lynx]

Level 2400 mentioned (not wanting to start an optimisation discussion just funny)

[glass granite]

Anyone can hold a weapon, not everyone can bend people to their will with words

[severe rampart]

Nah uh, Sword casting very fun

[glass granite]

Warcaster can do that

[humble cairn]

I had a lot of fun with Lore Bard, totally making enemies look like fools with Bane, Vicious Mockery, and Cutting Words.

[glass granite]

Lore is also solid

[severe rampart]

All Bards are solid

[glass granite]

Whispers is questionable, else I agree

[tough lynx]

I like lore and elo

They feel really good

[humble cairn]

Whispers can be so much fun but tricky to use.

[severe rampart]

Dance is also good

[tough lynx]

They struggle early game but yeah all bards do

[severe rampart]

Let me break it down for you

[glass granite]

Does Elo even struggle that much?

[crystal hatch]

At one point I was making an unarmed warforged fighter for a campaign that never came to fruition. It was really funny to imagine

[tough lynx]

All bards struggle due to mediocre low level spells

[severe rampart]

Can you replace your extra attack with a cantrip?

[tough lynx]

They don’t have web which is really upsetting

[glass granite]

A cantrip from a bard? I don’t need to

[severe rampart]

fair point.

2014 vicious mockery being a d4...

[humble cairn]

I like Bards basically at all levels because I really rather resonate with the class. At low levels you succeed more on personality than power, and that's perfectly fine by me.

[glass granite]

I like bards because they’re fun to play in all times of play for me, though monk will forever be my fav

[tough lynx]

I like monk with a gun

Slightly less damage but I prefer range

[glass granite]

I like monk.
Well all except 4 elements.

[crystal hatch]

I like warlock as a concept but none of the patrons really appeal to me

[paper portal]

4 elements is goated

[severe rampart]

Why not

[glass granite]

I prefer elemental warrior

[severe rampart]

Way of The Elements or Four Elements?

[tough lynx]

I love warlocks

[severe rampart]

I love Bards, Warlocks, and Sorcerers... wait a minute...

[glass granite]

Elemental warrior is my favourite subclass of my favourite class, four elements is just underwhelming for me

[tough lynx]

Play a sorlock I beg

[glass granite]

What’s next paladin?

[severe rampart]

I did

[severe rampart]

... They're okay

[tough lynx]

2 hexblade/x clockwork is so good

[severe rampart]

I did 1 Sorc/2 Warlock, campaign is on hiatus right now 😔

I did get more artwork commissioned of my boy though

[tough lynx]

I prefer 2 undead/x clockwork but it’s debatable if it’s better

[paper portal]

what if you uhhh tortle and archfey for plant growth 👍

[tough lynx]

But then you’re an archfey

[paper portal]

gets you sleep too for low levels :3

very useful trust

[tough lynx]

Also your defence is better with clineage + moderately armoured or whatever it’s called

[severe rampart]

I'm not that good at optimizing

[tough lynx]

I really enjoy it

[severe rampart]

Every time I try to follow a guide I just go "But this seems like the more fun option!"

[tough lynx]

It just fits nicely into my head

[severe rampart]

I like fun :)

[tough lynx]

Having fun is based

[paper portal]

nope no fun allowed only winning /silly

[flint ledge]

Playing dnd for fun?!?

Denied!!

[severe rampart]

Noooo!

[tough lynx]

3 beastmaster dip on everyone and make all your friends your animal companions

Furry polycule

Meta

[severe rampart]

I've now gotten the forever DM curse

[tough lynx]

Same…

[severe rampart]

I must run a second game...

[paper portal]

it makes me lowkey wanna keep a ranking of like the best builds

[severe rampart]

3 campaigns on hiatus, one cancelled, and the other I DM...

[paper portal]

is petparty #3? or are there other things ive forgotten

i assume sil has a few other stupid things that beat it lol

[flint ledge]

You should run spelljammer or eve of ruin for the second campaign, trust

[tough lynx]

Does bm party beat gitm?

Does it beat antigram

[paper portal]

i havent done the maths but it feels like it probably would

how does gitm even hurt them

[tough lynx]

It’s all fun and games until antigram becomes a pet

[severe rampart]

First campaign is Curse of Strahd... I dunno, I might run Lost Mines

[severe rampart]

I don't really know those campaigns all too well 😭

[flint ledge]

Run lost mines, I just said those 2 cause everyone in this discord seems to throw them into a dumpster fire

[paper portal]

again like i have no real maths to back this up but antigram like cant damage petparty at all right

[tough lynx]

Antigram has auto hit attacks

[severe rampart]

Mhm, I wanna get foundry first though, and I've been struggling so much because it just won't convert to my currency 😔

[paper portal]

oh i definitely need to reread the article then lol

[severe rampart]

What is Antigram?

[paper portal]

its one of the more insane builds out there, definitely a top 5 lol

[tough lynx]

Antigramation is a tech build that was made with the sole purpose to defeat the “ghost in the machine” build

[paper portal]

petparty does have like 60 spare levels to spend on countering stuff tbh but id rather just build for sheer power and see who wins

well 15 cus i assume we're making it a 1v1

[tough lynx]

It deals incredible damage

[severe rampart]

What are the classes that make it up?

[tough lynx]

It’s a level 20 echo knight fighter but that’s not why the build is so good. The build is good because you cast magic jar on yourself to become a creature that can make an auto hit attack that deals 70 damage. And there are ways to increase that

So you deal 70x4=280 per turn

Without action surge

And that’s baseline for this build

It can get higher

[flint ledge]

It's anniversary is soon (a month ish) it's gonna be like 10-20% off then I reckon

[severe rampart]

Yeah the money is not the issue

I don't use USD, but it doesn't really translate to my currency-

[eager marsh]

how is magic jar rearranging your attacks to be automatic exactly?

[tough lynx]

There is a creature that has an attack that auto hits

[flint ledge]

Dang, I use Euros so I didn't have any issue

[tough lynx]

You nystuls magic aura it into a humanoid, possess it via magic jar, and now you have its features

[severe rampart]

Yeah, unfortunately I'm in a 3rd world country

So it's understandable to be honest

[severe rampart]

So you'll have to first get that creature for this build?

[eager marsh]

Yes the Marut. Possessing that creature doesn’t mean you use your own extra attack rate instead tho unless they made another shortsighted change to the spell after 2024

[tough lynx]

Yes

[tough lynx]

You keep your class features with magic jar.

[eager marsh]

Ah they did in fact make a bad change I just checked

[tough lynx]

Extra attack says that you can make annother attack with your attack action

[eager marsh]

You don’t gain the Marut’s attacks. You don’t have its auto hit

[tough lynx]

You take the attack action and select the maruts attack

[eager marsh]

No you cannot

[tough lynx]

You have another attack to use

[eager marsh]

You don’t gain any of the marut statistics that designate their attacks

[tough lynx]

How?

[eager marsh]

“Once you possess a creature’s body, you control it. Your Hit Points, Hit Point Dice, Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, Speed, and senses are replaced by the creature’s. You otherwise keep your game statistics.”

This is what you get. You don’t gain any of the natural weapons or special actions in the stat block per the spell

Possessing a dragon won’t let you use a breath weapon or a bite per this text

[tough lynx]

I cannot find that one second let me double check

[eager marsh]

Third paragraph of the spell as of 2024

[tough lynx]

I’m talking about 14

[reef copper]

Works in 14 that way

[eager marsh]

No it doesn’t because 2014 doesn’t have Nystul’s explicitly letting you change the type to humanoid for non divination spells to possess them

Ignoring that you also need to get the spell on a fighter

[tough lynx]

Incorrect but if your dm runs it that way then that’s okay

[tough lynx]

There are ways to get guaranteed magic items that give you wish

To cast the spells

[eager marsh]

This has been argued enough in the rules channel already. 2014 Nystul’s aura only works on divination as written. And I’m aware of magic items but the aura change still doesn’t work

It requires intentional reading the spell in tote favor ignoring that no DM will just let you do this to start with

[tough lynx]

I am not in a debating mood right now so I’m just going to say that is wrong and leave it there

[eager marsh]

Good for you

[tough lynx]

It’s vague

Both are valid readings

This uses on of the readings

You may disagree with that reading

[paper portal]

isnt this using the reading that got confirmed in 5.5 lol

[tough lynx]

But that doesn’t make it an incorrect reading

[reef copper]

”You choose a creature type and other spells and magical effects treat the target as if it were a creature of that type or of that alignment.”

[tough lynx]

It was also confirmed by that one guy

[eager marsh]

No the spell was rewritten in 5.5 that doesn’t change the old intent but regardless you still need to also get the marut ti fail the save

[tough lynx]

I cannot remember his name

[paper portal]

"that one guy" is so peak

[reef copper]

Crawford?

[tough lynx]

Yes thank you

He confirmed it for 14

[eager marsh]

Lmao Crawford has made poor rulings in the past plenty. His magic missile ruling was explicitly written against in the 2024 rules even

[paper portal]

you dont know the old intent, that might have been what they meant the whole time

[tough lynx]

But like I don’t agree with some of his other statements as they directly go against raw.

So yeah I only look at sac and other things like it for vague rules

[eager marsh]

Anyways what’s the plan to make the Marut fail the saving throw? They have 3 legendary resistances and a +12 charisma save

[atomic kayak]

No, the 2024 books changed the wording in a way that tells us that it didn't work with the 2014 version

[wicked mulch]

D&D Question of the Day (D&D Beyond: Playing the Game):

Which skills can power the Influence action against a creature?
A) Deception/Intimidation/Performance/Persuasion and Animal Handling
B) Only Persuasion
C) Any skill

[glass granite]

I don’t actually know this one

My guess is A

[eager marsh]

Also the narrative/lore fact that possessing a Marut is a good way to have Primus personally after you

[paper portal]

what? lol

[tough lynx]

You have as many ring of wishes as you want just cast it until they fail 4 times while unconscious

You get them through fey deals or fiend deals

[eager marsh]

Do you? Do you have a full ring of three wishes? That the DM gave you? That nobody else in the party wanted to use ?

[tough lynx]

Which is raw

[tough lynx]

This is a hypothetical build

[atomic kayak]

The fact that 2024 had to change the wording the way it did to make it actually change the type for everything rather than just detection effects

As much as some people say it completely changed the type in 2014, it didn't. The wording changes just enforce the fact it didn't even more

[eager marsh]

You have to have it fail the save in the first place to even burn a legendary

[paper portal]

the wording changes are just as likely to have been a clarification as they are to have been a change

[eager marsh]

If it needs that much to go your way it feels silly to even consider hypothetical or not

[atomic kayak]

Not particularly

[tough lynx]

Not much even has to go your way

Fey deals and fiend deals are crazy

[paper portal]

the exact meaning of nystuls got argued about a lot in 5e it makes sense to change the wording no matter which way the intent was

[eager marsh]

You need to get a ring of three wishes and also the Marut still has to fail the save 3 times at a +12 bonus before resistance even gets burned. You also have to find a Marut

[atomic kayak]

The exact meaning only got argued when you ignored half the text of the spell yes

[eager marsh]

The real catch is that Ring of Three Wishes doesn’t have a set spell save DC for when a non caster uses it iirc

[vagrant void]

guys can someone help me out with cults in my setting

[faint thicket]

Are you also ignoring that nystuls explicitly says it works with symbol, an abjuration spell that can targets a creature type

[tough lynx]

Yeah what with?

Might be better in world building though

[humble cairn]

#dm-world-building is a great channel for that!

[eager marsh]

Cults are bad. EZ

[vagrant void]

oh ok thx

[knotty vine]

Are they talking abou thow to kill a marutt

[atomic kayak]

The spell that (can) use detection of a creature type as its trigger? Something that falls perfectly within "effects that detect creature type"? No i am not

[still plover]

I'd throw for C, personally. I love the idea of giving folk the opportunity to use knowledge skills in social situations.

[tough lynx]

No we are talking about possessing a marut

[faint thicket]

So why does other creature type triggering spells not count?

[eager marsh]

Using 2014 and a ring of 3 wishes to have an echo knight fighter possess a Marut for the auto hit force punch

[atomic kayak]

Targeting =/= detecting

Symbol uses detection of a creature type to trigger, its not targeting

[knotty vine]

I prefer thsese weirdos https://www.dndbeyond.com/monsters/3883548-kolyarut

[knotty vine]

How would that work?

[atomic kayak]

Targeting doesn't work like that, something we explicitly know because of Xans explicitly saying you can cast spells that wouldn't effect a target and simply not working rather than being incapable of casting it ex: Hold Person on a Vampire.

[knotty vine]

Are yall talking about 2014 Magic aura?

[atomic kayak]

Mhm

[knotty vine]

Its obvious that it only works on divi spells no?

[tough lynx]

Symbol is an abjuration spell

[knotty vine]

it was changed to extend to all spells later on

[atomic kayak]

Not divination, just things that detect creature type

[faint thicket]

In this case it literally is the same

[reef tundra]

-# What on earth is happening

[knotty vine]

Its just to know/detect a creatures type

Mask. You change the way the target appears to spells and magical effects that detect creature types, such as a **paladin’s Divine **Sense or the trigger of a symbol spell. You choose a creature type and other spells and magical effects treat the target as if it were a creature of that type or of that alignment.

Gotta include the entire spell not parts of it

[faint thicket]

Also I can use charm person in order to figure out if a person is a humanoid. That is detection

[atomic kayak]

If it were the same, then the Xans thing wouldnt mean anything

Ie: you wouldnt be able to cast hold person on a vampire, since the spell would "target" it and not be able to work in the first place

But the text says the exact opposite

[wicked mulch]

Rules are a starting point, not an end point.

[atomic kayak]

Nope, not according to Xans

[knotty vine]

You place an illusion on a creature or an object you touch so that divination spells reveal false information about it. The target can be a willing creature or an object that isn’t being carried or worn by another creature.

When you cast the spell, choose one or both of the following effects. The effect lasts for the duration. If you cast this spell on the same creature or object every day for 30 days, placing the same effect on it each time, the illusion lasts until it is dispelled.

[still plover]

Preaching to the choir here!

[knotty vine]

Magic aura is just a spell that lies really well

in 2014

[faint thicket]

This is then ignored by the rest of the spell

[knotty vine]

you cant cut out parts of a spell

Thats just now how dnd works

[atomic kayak]

This makes it pretty clear and obvious that targeting =/= detection

If you cast a spell on someone or something that can't be affected by the spell, nothing happens to that target, but if you used a spell slot to cast the spell, the slot is still expended. If the spell normally has no effect on a target that succeeds on a saving throw, the invalid target appears to have succeeded on its saving throw, even though it didn't attempt one (giving no hint that the creature is in fact an invalid target). Otherwise, you perceive that the spell did nothing to the target.

[faint thicket]

Paladins sense and symbol are not divination spells

[knotty vine]

They are in the same vein of detecting a creatures type how dense can you be

[faint thicket]

That just means the spell detects it, if it has no effect it's not the creature type

[atomic kayak]

You don't even need that portion of the spell. The Mask portion itself is very explicit alone

You change the way the target appears to spells and magical effects that detect creature types

Detection isn't targeting

[faint thicket]

Yes and you can target them but the spell only works if it detects the type

[knotty vine]

Yeah idk where your saying the spell trips over itself when you can read that it very clearly doesnt

[atomic kayak]

Detection isn't targeting. If it were you wouldn't be able to cast the Hold Person on the vampire whatsoever because there wouldn't be "a valid target" in the first place

[knotty vine]

Also huge issue about it even if this did somehow work the target still has to be willing

Which I doubt a marut would be

[faint thicket]

And? I'm not talking about targeting, if a creature is targeted the spell has to detect the type to determine if it works or not

[atomic kayak]

No it doesn't

[knotty vine]

omfg

[atomic kayak]

For reference, the first part of this

A spell specifies what a caster can target with it: any type of creature, a creature of a certain type (humanoid or beast, for instance), an object, an area, the caster, or something else. But what happens if a spell targets something that isn't a valid target? For example, someone might cast charm person on a creature believed to be a humanoid, not knowing that the target is in fact a vampire.

[knotty vine]

Nothing happems

[atomic kayak]

If targeting was detection, this rule wouldnt do anything. The fact this rule says and does what it does means that targeting isnt detection

[faint thicket]

"To discover or ascertain the existence, presence, or fact of"

In order for charm person to work it has to ascertain the existence of the humanoid type

[atomic kayak]

Except this rule explicitly tells you the opposite

[knotty vine]

So were just igorning rules now

[faint thicket]

Your argument is that because you can target something you aren't detecting it lmao

[atomic kayak]

No, I am saying that targeting isn't an effect that detect creature type. Because explicitly per the rules, its not

[atomic kayak]

This rule would not do anything if it were

[faint thicket]

But if I had a chron who can force failed saves than I know if a creature is a type or not

[faint thicket]

Yeah and I'm saying the effect is

Not the targeting

[atomic kayak]

"I can make an inference based on what happens" =/= "this effect detects creature type"

[knotty vine]

Goal post moving is one hell of a thing

[faint thicket]

Never moved it y'all just refuse to understand me

[knotty vine]

You legit said "the spell doesnt work how you said if you ignore the half of what its saying"

[faint thicket]

Also magic jar requires you to target a humanoid

[knotty vine]

I know I was saiyng possesing a marut via 2014 is impossible

[faint thicket]

So magic jar detects it

Just like symbol

[knotty vine]

What?

[faint thicket]

And no you aren't targeting with a spell so the rule doesn't apply

[knotty vine]

You can’t use magic aura on a non willing target

[faint thicket]

Don't matter this is a hypothetical

[knotty vine]

In the “hypothetical” it falls flat

[faint thicket]

There is no argument that works with symbol and doesn't work with magic jar

[severe fox]

I did a little digging my self and yeah magic jar and magic aura dont have any interaction in 2014 because of the wording

[faint thicket]

Reasoning?

[atomic kayak]

No... magic jar very explicitly targets

The target must make a Charisma saving throw

[severe fox]

Magic jar needs the target to be a humanoid right?

[primal wolf]

Nystuls can make stuff humanoid Rai and possibly raw in 2014 and for sure RAW and RAI in 2024

[atomic kayak]

Not RAI and definitely not RAW in 2014

[severe fox]

Well the marut lets say if you do change its creature type with magic arua 2014 it would only be for the spells and magic effects that detect your creature type

It even gives you a few examples of what that means

[primal wolf]

one of the devs said it works in 2014, i'll pull it up when my match is over

[faint thicket]

Yeah and magic jar detects if you are humanoid as the possession is a magic effect that only targets humanoids

[severe fox]

If I used magic aura on myself and changed it to fiend in a paladins divine sense I would be seen as a fiend

[atomic kayak]

If thats true then its at best RAI and still definitely not RAW

Devs have tweeted a lot of non RAW things

[severe fox]

But if I got smited by a paladin under the effects of magic aura I would not take the extra 1d8 damage even through I am a fiend

[atomic kayak]

Nope. As already made explicit by the rules targeting isnt a detection effect

[severe fox]

RAW Its only for magical effects that see what your creature type is

I hope that at least made sense

[faint thicket]

The rule you gave only effects spells, magic jar possession isn't a spell

It's a magical effect the spell lets you do

[severe fox]

Its spells and magical effects

[atomic kayak]

? Its literally an effect of the spell

And regardless, its a magical effect

[severe fox]

Magic jar is a spell 😭 ??

[knotty vine]

I think this person is just a troll at this point

[faint thicket]

The spell doesn't target the possession target

[atomic kayak]

It does

[knotty vine]

It literally does?

[faint thicket]

The magical effect created by the spell does

Same as symbol

[atomic kayak]

This is literally the line explicitly saying so

[severe fox]

Thats still an effect of a spell

[silk hare]

I feel like Im back in the yugioh trenches, whats going on here

[faint thicket]

So why does symbol work

[knotty vine]

Trust me my fire ball isn’t magical

[faint thicket]

Because your own logic doesn't allow symbol

[silk hare]

yeah, you just light some bat guano on fire, duh

[severe fox]

What does symbol have to deal with this?

[silk hare]

Death. Each target must make a Constitution saving throw, taking 10d10 necrotic damage on a failed save, or half as much damage on a successful save.

Discord. Each target must make a Constitution saving throw. On a failed save, a target bickers and argues with other creatures for 1 minute. During this time, it is incapable of meaningful communication and has disadvantage on attack rolls and ability checks.

Fear. Each target must make a Wisdom saving throw and becomes frightened for 1 minute on a failed save. While frightened, the target drops whatever it is holding and must move at least 30 feet away from the glyph on each of its turns, if able.

this symbol? the symbol that, after making the glyph, specifies TARGETS for each and every single one of them?

[atomic kayak]

Symbol isnt targeting. Its trigger (can be) a detection of a creature type

Symbol doesnt use creature type for targeting. Just activation via detection

[faint thicket]

Symbol is explicitly stated to be affected by nystuls

[severe fox]

Yeah creature type wise

Its a spell and or magic effect yes

[silk hare]

When you inscribe the glyph, choose one of the options below for its effect. Once triggered, the glyph glows, filling a 60-foot-radius sphere with dim light for 10 minutes, after which time the spell ends. Each creature in the sphere when the glyph activates is targeted by its effect, as is a creature that enters the sphere for the first time on a turn or ends its turn there.

while it isnt creature type specific, it still very much "targets"

[atomic kayak]

Symbol targets like this

Each creature in the sphere when the glyph activates is targeted by its effect,

Its trigger (can be) detecting a creature. Thats unrelated to the targeting

The targeting is just the sphere

[silk hare]

its just an AOE target

[atomic kayak]

Right.

[severe fox]

So again Im not seeing where the logic of possing a marut is coming into play

[atomic kayak]

This does not contradict what we have been saying

[woven flint]

Hello, my lovely friends

[silk hare]

yo, what up tokii

[severe fox]

2024 it might be possible

Cause the wording was change but again somewhat a new game

[woven flint]

Get to play more of my Dragonborn battlemaster..
Tonight we might hit level 7 😎

Orizontas will be a Knight yet

[atomic kayak]

Symbol can use detection of a creature type to trigger its effects. That part can be fooled by Nystuls. It would not then be able to differentiate its targets based on that. Just "if it detects a creature of this type, then the sphere happens"

[silk hare]

agreed

[woven flint]

Then tomorrow...

My Drow Warlock potentially becomes a vampire.

[knotty vine]

I liked Dolly way of explaining it using paladins

[atomic kayak]

Hence why Nystuls works for Symbol but not Magic Jar (which is always reliant on targeting of a Humanoid to function)

[knotty vine]

Aka if you make yourself look like fiend then you appear as a fiend to there divine sense but if you get smited you don’t take the extra d8

cause your not actually a fiend

[atomic kayak]

With 2014 yea

[knotty vine]

in 2024 you would which is funny

[silk hare]

yeah nystuls is pretty clear on the wording of what actually changes on casting of the spell

[vagrant notch]

Good evening everyone, quick question do u think which one is wiser, all of the players can do ability check freedomly by themselves or i limit it to just one person with the HIGHEST ability stat in that situation? Because ive thinking about this for a while. Giving all players free ability chevk for all of them is more or so the same like you're trying to give them an advantage + i dont want to see a player with like +8 perception lose their ability check to the one that only has -1 and doing nat 20? Whats yall opinion about this

[silk hare]

I mean, that doesnt matter? chance is part of the game design

[knotty vine]

Do the take 10 rule

[silk hare]

dnd isnt a realism/ physics engine

[atomic kayak]

Short version? I as the DM choose who can/who i want to make a check for basically every scenario

[knotty vine]

allowing players to forgo rolling to assume a result of 10 + modifiers, representing a safe, average outcome when under no stress, pressure, or distractions. It is used to avoid failure on mundane tasks (e.g., picking a simple lock)

[atomic kayak]

A player might ask if they can do something but that doesn't mean im always going to let them make a check

[knotty vine]

it usually takes longer through

[atomic kayak]

This can apply for any number of reasons

[woven flint]

How much Aura do we think an Undead being with immunity ti Radiant Damage would have?
Do we feel that's kinda badass or no? 🤔

[knotty vine]

Ever watch Jojo

[atomic kayak]

Idk about aura but it could potentially be a neat little counter intuitive thing for an encounter

[knotty vine]

KARS

[woven flint]

Oh, yeah, Kars

Nah, Aura moment

[knotty vine]

Exactly

"Ive mastered the sun"

[woven flint]

Oh, it's not for an Encounter..
My character has the possibility to become a vampire and be resistant to Radiant damage as a Celestial Warlock.. and potential to make that immunity with an Epic Boon

[atomic kayak]

Ah. Either way

[woven flint]

It serves no real function..
We're not fighting Celestials.
But... I think it'd be funny

[fiery nimbus]

So, i don't know how to feel about it, but one of the players at my table wants to use his knockback abilities to know people up in the air

[atomic kayak]

Neat

[knotty vine]

Imo it depend son the wording

[fiery nimbus]

technically its only 20ft up but thats still some fall damage

[atomic kayak]

(Most effects can do it)

[knotty vine]

and being prone

[fiery nimbus]

"On a failed save, you can move the target up to 10 feet toward or away from you, as elemental energy swirls around it."

I honestly can't say no

[knotty vine]

grab the crusher it to make it 15

[faint thicket]

You literally can't target the vampire to begin with so this rule raw does nothing. It's like saying what happens if you try to fireball 1000ft away, you literally can't

[atomic kayak]

Yea could hit them upwards

[knotty vine]

that is away from you

[atomic kayak]

Except the fact the rule tells you this exact scenario means it is within the rules. You can cast the spell, it just fails because of the target. It doesnt do any detection effect

[fiery nimbus]

it won't since its elemental monk piece and to get the knockback they need to change the damage type

[knotty vine]

no it says that you can change the damage type not that you have to

[fiery nimbus]

"Elemental Strikes. Whenever you hit with your Unarmed Strike, you can cause it to deal your choice of Acid, Cold, Fire, Lightning, or Thunder damage rather than its normal damage type.** When you deal one of these types with it, you can also** force the target to make a Strength saving throw. On a failed save, you can move the target up to 10 feet toward or away from you, as elemental energy swirls around it."

[knotty vine]

Yeah I just saw that

could take a few levels in warlock to force it

[primal wolf]

well can't post images, but Dan Dillon confirms this use of nystuls

[atomic kayak]

So at best it is RAI (according to one dev: they don't always agree with each other)

That still does not make it RAW. A number of the devs have tweeted things contrary to RAW over the years

[fiery nimbus]

I honestly don't like the idea of using knock backs as bonus damage

[knotty vine]

Id have to agree

With the dan dillon thing

[primal wolf]

Mask. You change the way the target appears to spells and magical effects that detect creature types, such as a paladin’s Divine Sense or the trigger of a symbol spell. You choose a creature type and other spells and magical effects treat the target as if it were a creature of that type or of that alignment.

"spells and magical effects treat the target as if it were a creature of that type"

[faint thicket]

Except you can't target them to begin with so it never happens

[atomic kayak]

Except you explicitly can, per this rule

[faint thicket]

True

[knotty vine]

Again igoning the rest of the spell

[faint thicket]

Where is it stated you can, the rule you gave just said what happens if you do

[atomic kayak]

Yes

If you ignore the entire first sentence. "To spells and magical effects that detect creature type"

[primal wolf]

I posted the entire text of the mask portion of the spell though.

[knotty vine]

It legit gives two examples of what magic aura does and doesnt work on

[silk hare]

if there are conditions stated within the spell, the other effects have to be looked at within the scope of THOSE conditions

[primal wolf]

such as the symbol spell, yeah

[woven flint]

Do you folks wanna hear something funny? 🤔

[faint thicket]

And you can't target them if they aren't the creature type

[silk hare]

Id be down to read sth funny, sure

[atomic kayak]

The literal text

"But what happens if a spell targets something that isn't a valid target?.... If you cast a spell on someone or something that can't be affected by the spell, nothing happens to the target,"

[severe fox]

Im so confused

[silk hare]

you can target them, it just fizzles

[silk hare]

about what?

[atomic kayak]

Yea the symbol spell can use detection of a creature type as its trigger.

Its targeting doesn't care about that

[severe fox]

How people still confuse magic aura 2014 and 2024

[atomic kayak]

As mentioned earlier @ symbol

[woven flint]

I made an Air Genasi Artificer to replace a character I was retiring for story purposes.

We're high level so, we were allowed to get some magic items with our replacement characters.
Well, I took the Peregine Mask because Air Genasi can't fly naturally and it gives a 60 foot flying speed.

Not even 2 sessions into playing him..
We get the deck of many more things and he Draws the Celestial card...
Which gave him a natural fly speed!

[silk hare]

you can setup an explosive with a tripwire at a door

this mechanism wont get triggered by e.g. insects, however, if something TRIGGERS the explosive while insects are inside, they will still be affected

[silk hare]

damn.. xD

[woven flint]

So, I'm considering ditching the Peregine Mask, though it's really good and still gives me advantage on initiative, but, idk, it frees up an attunement slot
But it was funny and hype

He always dreamed about being able to fly naturally like Djinni

[atomic kayak]

Unfortunately the phrase "tripwire for insects" has now entered my head and its a funny one

[primal wolf]

which is where the 2nd half of the mask effect comes in. "spells and magical effects treat the target as if it were a creature of that type or of that alignment."

[woven flint]

The second and last card I drew was Star.. boosted my Constitution up to an 18 :]

[silk hare]

good good, all according to my plan xD

[silk hare]

no it doesnt, the explosion still does affect them

if the "creature type" was set to trigger for e.g. "only humans" and you were "treated as an insect" you simply wouldnt trigger the trap

if your party member (very much human) came in behind you, you would then get blasted to smithereens

[woven flint]

Oh,our Warlock unfortunately drew the Talon card (destroys magic items and displaces Artifacts on their person) but he said he was looking for a reason to retire the character for something else anyway lol

[silk hare]

also that argument still disregards the text above it (of the same spell)

[atomic kayak]

The important thing to know here is that nothing about the 2nd sentence actually does nothing to subcede or ignore the first sentence.

Taken in whole the Mask effect is saying "spells and magical effects that detect creature type treat the target as if it were of that type or of that alignment"

Its just specifically for spells and effects that detect creature type

The fact the 2024 version has such different wording is actually even more support that the 2014 version is exclusively for effects that detect RAW

[faint thicket]

You can't cast it in the first place though so the rule does nothing

[primal wolf]

No i'm taking both in agregate here. The spell changes the targeting and then goes on to explicitly state it also makes the spell work on that target.

[silk hare]

you have been shown, multiple times, that casting is a valid option now

with cited rules

[faint thicket]

Nope I haven't, it say if you cast it in a vampire when you can never do it to begin with

[silk hare]

it doesnt change the targeting for symbol

just makes it so the trigger is invalid (maybe)

[faint thicket]

Also symbol triggered also targets

[silk hare]

alright, presume you were to cast "fireball" against an enemy that was immune to fire damage, so that, by your logic would mean you wouldnt be able to cast fireball to begin with, since it wouldnt do anything to it

do you now keep your spellslot?

[primal wolf]

I always took it as clarification of intent rather than an intentional change of the spell, as per Dan Dillon ect

[atomic kayak]

Except you can cast it in the first place. It explicitly says you can. The rule you are saying doesnt do anything is doing exactly that

[faint thicket]

No it would be casting fireball outside it's range since it's targeting requirement is range

[atomic kayak]

Hence my earlier #dnd-discussion message

[tawdry sentinel]

The only time I went down the rabbit hole I think the conclusion I mostly saw was they need to go diagonally, rather than straight up, otherwise they're not moving "away" as they were 5ft away and are now still 5ft away during the first bit of the move

Which is much of a muchness.

[faint thicket]

There is no explicit rule that lets you target the vampire in the first place

[atomic kayak]

Except the rule as quoted

[primal wolf]

Clarifiying intent doesn't mean the former wasn't RAW

[faint thicket]

So "if you target a vampire" never happens

[atomic kayak]

It does, its quite literally the difference between RAW and RAI

[fiery nimbus]

up is also away

[silk hare]

alright, you use "phantasmal force" on an entity immune to psychich damage, turns out the same

[atomic kayak]

Unless a secondary statement happens, RAW is RAI

[faint thicket]

Nope because that's not a requirement of targeting

[primal wolf]

A thing not being entirely clear =/= that thing being not RAW.

[silk hare]

okay, but you are simply treated as that creature type, not actually that creature type, so its still a valid target attempt

[primal wolf]

A clarifying statement serves to provide more information to make the intentional reading clearer, not change the writing.

[faint thicket]

Also symbol targets
"Each creature in the sphere when the glyph activates is targeted by its effect"

So targeting is detection

[tawdry sentinel]

Diagonally up is.

You're in your cube. Enemy is within 1 grid cube of you.
You knock them 1 cube straight up. They are still within 1 cube of you. Which isn't away.

[atomic kayak]

No, as already covered

[faint thicket]

No as you made up

[atomic kayak]

The trigger of symbol is not targeting

The sphere is secondary and irrelevant to creature type

The trigger is the trigger, not targeting

It detects, it doesnt determine what is targeted

[primal wolf]

Though even if it weren't, Nystuls allows spells to treat the target as that creature type

[atomic kayak]

Except it doesnt apply to all spells. Only those that detect creature type

[faint thicket]

Does this include glyph of warding

[knotty vine]

How the hell im I suppose to make a circle with walls in Foundry TTV 😭

[lyric viper]

Sounds like we might be digging a bit into #dnd-rules and might better to take any rules discussion over there.

[primal wolf]

it says "Other Spells and magical effects"

[atomic kayak]

That detect type yes

[atomic kayak]

Oop, sorry

[flint ledge]

Hopes and prayers (you could also ask in their discord)

[flint ledge]

I mean if you have a friend from the US or just any country foundry accepts the currency of you could have them gift it to you and you could then give them the money through some other way

[surreal rivet]

New campeing has been made

[cedar bane]

Awesome

What's it about?

[surreal rivet]

Its put into a post apocalyptic world yk and alot of lore to uncover.

Sos for the grammer mistakes

[cedar bane]

Good luck with it

[surreal rivet]

Thanks G

[dense nacelle]

Are healer wizards viable

[eager marsh]

Take dragon mark of healing and then it is

[dense nacelle]

Is it good

[lavish flame]

they dont really get healing spells

[dense nacelle]

Yeah they do if you take mark of healing

18th level infinite casting cure wounds baby

[eager marsh]

Playing a wizard healer is not conventionally possible without the dragonmark of healing origin feat

[dense nacelle]

King gizzcord spotted

[silk hare]

as always, define "good"

[eager marsh]

Arcane recovery is genuinely worse than taking Magic initiate for healing word in every way conceivable, and life transference is flavorful but mechanically rough.

Wither and bloom is just mediocre

So you either take Dragonmark of Healing origin (with DM permission) or you simply aren’t playing a healer wizard

[halcyon forum]

without mark of healing, the best a single classed wizard can do it get cure wounds or healing word through MI, which is not bad but you arent doing stuff like mass healing word or lesser/greater restoration/revivify any time soon

[eager marsh]

You could also use the Healer feat but the 2024 version of the feat is strictly a downgrade imo

[umbral girder]

Idk Arcane Recovery is nice. I like getting spell slots back.

[woven flint]

I think they meant Arcane Vigor

[umbral girder]

Ah that makes more sense. Odd to compare Arcane Recovery to that feat.

[flint ledge]

What's arcane vigor actually?

[vast saddle]

I really want to kick out a member of my party even when I'm not either DM or party leader

I'm tired of the West Marches system and my real life party gets hindered because of him

Double anger

[uncut zenith]

It’s a new spell in the 2024 rules that allows arcane casters to do some minor healing

It’s one of the few spells Sorcerers and Wizards have access to that allow them to heal without doing something like multiclassing into a divine caster or taking the Magic Initiate feat

[still plover]

What makes them a bother?

[strong viper]

Arcane casters can heal? I didnt know that

[uncut zenith]

Follow-up question: are you the only one bothered by them or do others at the table feel the same way?

[reef tundra]

It uses up their hit dice along with a spell slot iirc, so it’s not incredible, but it’s still helpful

[uncut zenith]

In very few instances, yes. With spells like Vampiric Touch, Arcane Vigor, and Wither and Bloom

[strong viper]

Yh, but for you its taking up neccesary space for other spells ext

[uncut zenith]

Yep. They’re relatively good backups if you don’t have any/many healers in the party

But if you’ve got a Paladin, cleric, and/or druid with healing spells prepped, the Wizard/sorcerer may be better off prepping different spells instead

[rough basalt]

Arcane Vigor you're more likely to take on Abjuration Wizard

[strong viper]

Also for my campaign im willing to let my freind be a npc that follows the party and give them clues. But i dont know if that would be a good idea? Any recomendations?

I feel like he will end up slipping up with words and spoil too much

[rough basalt]

Since you get two abjuration spells for free tjat you can use at level 3

[uncut zenith]

If that’s a major concern for you, don’t allow it

[rough basalt]

And as a Wizard you probably already have Mage Armor or Shield

[strong viper]

Thanks for the advice

[rough basalt]

I think my next PC oughta be the Diviner I've been wanting to play awhile

[uncut zenith]

NPCs are one of the elements of a campaign that DMs have full control over. If you’re worried someone else playing one of your NPCs is gonna ruin something, then don’t do it. Even if it’s theoretically something to take off your plate.

Alternatively, let them play an NPC but don’t give them any info you don’t want shared.

[strong viper]

Thanks its not that big of a deal if i dont let them do it anyway beacuse i have only written a few sections/paragraphs with them needing to be in it for the story to continue

[uncut zenith]

I may just be biased, of course. I’ve never found any appeal in letting someone play one of my NPCs. If they wanna join the campaign, they can make their own character or I can help them with backstory and they can adapt one of my NPCs into their own PCs.

[normal canyon]

Hi

[still plover]

Ready-made sidekick.

[hot marlin]

You know that feeling when you start writing a campaign idea, for a game you want to be more focused on the complex stories of the characters, and then you notice that the stuff you've written is just completely out of tone with what would be expected of D&D?

I just stopped myself in the middle of the sentence "Note: The reason [bad guy] accepted the offer is that he has no experience of affection that isn't used to justify abuse". I'm thinking that maybe that campaign idea is better reserved for another game

[uncut zenith]

Yep! Which is still a PC

[hardy quiver]

Why is there no dog player species?

[uncut zenith]

Reflavor a Shifter

There are billions of species of animals on the planet, I don’t think we need an individual mechanical species for all of them

[still plover]

I see what you mean.

[hardy quiver]

I know, but I think it would be more fun to play an actual bipedal dog then just humanoid that can turn into a more animalistic humanoid

[strong gazelle]

Yesh

[uncut zenith]

So… Shifter

[reef tundra]

Don’t worry, we’re getting one soon with the lupine species in the upcoming Ravenloft book

At least I think that’ll scratch the itch

Certainly scratches it for me

[woven flint]

Well, Lupine is more Werewolf than dog..

[reef tundra]

Damn :(

I wonder how they’re gonna differentiate the vibe of its abilities from Shifter

[uncut zenith]

The lupine is likely gonna be more of a werewolf, but yeah. Between that and shifters, we can just reflavor them into a dog person

[prisma prairie]

We love flavouring 💅

[reef tundra]

Shifter my beloved umbrella for all animaloid species

[severe rampart]

That's true, though I don't really have those

[still plover]

I like halflings for foxfolk. Not sure why.

[uncut zenith]

Foxes are sneaky and elusive. Pretty fitting to just reflavor a halfling, if you don’t mind them being small.

[rough basalt]

Tough session tonight

I got a feeling

[severe rampart]

Fox's Cunning could also be Halfling Luck

[onyx haven]

Hmmm, maybe Lupine might just be their reflavor for Shifter. Like how Lorwyn had Flamekin that were just Fire Genasi?

[flint ledge]

Oh yikes, have you contacted the folks over in the foundry discord?

[umbral girder]

Foxes are pretty small

[severe rampart]

I have, no worries, I have theory that I'll try next time

[fossil skiff]

yo is being a dm not really boring

[reef tundra]

Correct, it is not boring

Some sessions you’ll be on your feet the whole time metaphorically

[atomic kayak]

I believe its Leonin

[fossil skiff]

deadass?

[knotty vine]

I get to try to kill people and tell them a really cool story while doing so

How is that not fun

[onyx haven]

?

[fossil skiff]

idk seems boring tho cuz u not actually playing you just describing stuff

[knotty vine]

Wdym? if anything your playing the most parts

Your not "just decribing stuff" your also the world itself

[silk hare]

you get to roll the most dice too

[knotty vine]

Your all the npcs

[silk hare]

and use whatever magic items you want

[knotty vine]

Every magic

[reef tundra]

Technically, you’re playing but a dozen times over

[fossil skiff]

bro im not seeing it twin

[knotty vine]

You are all of it

[craggy summit]

i actually have fun being a DM personally, you're the one that's in control and you can add and do whatever you want, and it's fun to see what the players do

[reef tundra]

Well that’s okay, not every player vibes with being a dungeon master, and vice versa

[minor cargo]

For me, I see it more like cooking.

Your players get to eat and enjoy the meal and you put in the little bit extra and now you get to enjoy it. it's a different experience because you made it, but you can still really enjoy.

[reef tundra]

It’s not for everyone, and that’s okay

[knotty vine]

I personally see every dnd game I host as an extension of myself

[reef tundra]

Same here, a lot of them convey messages I believe in greatly

[knotty vine]

Thats why I put everything resoruce I can into hostng dnd

[lethal bobcat]

Each player's task is to make the most complex and elaborate character for themselves with little room for connection or continuity. The DM's job is to forego all this and place 2 Spiders at level 1 (and you get to play the spiders)

[knotty vine]

People forgot that the dm also has to be the game itself 😭

[silk hare]

hey, who is to say my lvl 2 spiders dont have deep family connections?

[silk hare]

wait until papa spider comes to avenge his children

[knotty vine]

Without the dm there is no game

[lethal bobcat]

Avenge? They got the XP after the TPK

[knotty vine]

So the players are JUST as important as the dm

[reef tundra]

There’s also the factor of it sounding like you haven’t dungeon mastered so of course you don’t see it

[lethal bobcat]

The secret of playing either is to show up no matter what and bring your Magic decks

[knotty vine]

I hate magic

[fossil skiff]

twin the only dnd i played was like a low level champion fighter and ts was fun ash

[reef tundra]

Hard to estimate what an experience will be like if you haven’t experienced it

[silk hare]

yeah, yugioh is better

[reef tundra]

And that’s wonderful to hear you had fun! Although idk if that was meant to be a counter to my point

[fossil skiff]

nah i was just speaking

[lethal bobcat]

That's how I generally judge experiences and groups of people

[reef tundra]

Ah okay, in that case no worries

[reef tundra]

Well there are some cases where you can get a good estimation of an experience based on similar ones

[minor cargo]

You can also compare it to other "skills you share", like playing an instrument.

Similar to DM'ing, maybe a friend of yours invited you to listen them play guitar on stage. At the end, you might be fully okay just listening to music moving forward. But a few people will hear the music and go, "It might be really cool to try to play guitar myself". ✌️

[lethal bobcat]

It is quite difficult to find enough people with time or I'd have recommended just try it out. I understand the time sink, and tbh money sink compared to the players

[reef tundra]

While I do encourage trying it out, I can understand why some wouldn’t enjoy it. It’s not for everyone

[silk hare]

imo most people start to dm due to no one else wanting to dm/ them taking over/ wanting to try it out once and getting stuck (ah the curse)

[reef tundra]

One of my friends loves being a player, but he and I both know he’d have a terrible time DMing

[tawdry sentinel]

I really want to listen to music but we have no WiFi so someone is going to have to pick up the guitar and as nobody else is volunteering I guess that's me.

[reef tundra]

I brought the curse upon myself, I wanted to DM ever since I started, and lord was I granted my wish. (And now I can’t ever take it back)

[lethal bobcat]

Don't blame Mr. Strahd if it's been longer than 3 sessions. At that point, you have all the power to say "let's play Yathzee today!" if you only despised it

[minor cargo]

Cards on the table, I'm not a huge fan of framing being a DM as a "curse" or anything. I think it's overly negative and honestly I feel that it discourages people from trying it (rather than trying to make it feel more approachable - which I honestly think it is).

[silk hare]

yeah I got fed up with games not working out, so now Im dming my own campaign to even get to play dnd lol

[silk hare]

yeah thats fair, imo its just a meme now, and was intended as such, hence the curse part bein in paranthesis + the sarcastic "ah"

[lethal bobcat]

I have no idea how that even started because a lot of groups end after a one-shot and you'd assume the people who genuinely felt like that never got invested enough

If someone with a time machine could quickly check, thx bye

[rough basalt]

DMing can be a curse if you allow it to be

[celest spire]

The international store still isn't advertising the Ravenloft Horrors Within.. 🙄

[swift silo]

What kind of check would it be to teach someone something like if my character is trying to teach a kid how to tie is it a persuasion check?

[rough basalt]

Wouldnt really be a check

Unless the kid is unwilling to do so

[lavish flame]

Just takes time, no roll needed

[crimson gulch]

Ahhh, home sweet home

[stray nymph]

What Ranger subclasses do you guys like to play?

[vast turret]

Swarmkeeper, has a lot of nice flavor for it

[stray nymph]

does swarmkeeper permanently keep the swarm around them or is it a summon?

[onyx haven]

Summon. Aside from you wanting to be flavorful.

[short brook]

hunter ngl

[raw crypt]

hunter, and then tell my buddies to target a damage type or condition that really screws the specific big fella

[foggy jetty]

Hello!

[onyx haven]

Drakewarden for me, because who doesn’t wanna ride a dragon into battle. 😄

[short brook]

i love a lot of the ranger subclasses, but idk hunter just hits right for me

[hot marlin]

I don't!

For multiple reasons. The first is falling, of course. I ain't getting on no flying mount unless I have a way to prevent fall damage.

The second is that... Why am I on the dragon's back? It's a dragon. What purpose do I even serve that would not be better served from another point?

[rough basalt]

Haven't played a Ranger sub yet.

[silk hare]

drakes cant fly

[reef tundra]

To some it is a blessing to others it is a curse. Mortal creatures wish for a long life while those with immortality wish against it

[silk hare]

oh wait, Im thinking of pseudodragons

carry on

[rough basalt]

DMing becomes a curse when you force yourself to dm for no good reason.

[hot marlin]

"At 7th level the bond you share with your drake intensifies, protecting you and stoking the drake’s fury. When you summon your drake, it grows wings on its back and gains a flying speed equal to its walking speed."

[silk hare]

yeah yeah, fair enough, again thought of the wrong thing

[minor cargo]

Yeah, I know what you're saying but... I dunno, to me, the math doesn't add up.

If you don't like doing it, you don't need to do it. You can play other games with your friends.

If you actually do like doing it, it's not a curse.

[reef tundra]

Although you are right about the joke being discouraging to potential new DMs

[rough basalt]

Problem is, a lot of "forever dms" won't play other games cause their groups won't.

[minor cargo]

(I'm honestly thinking more like... hang out and play board games? Or play a video game?)

[rough basalt]

I'd say that's probably an uncommon thing.

[lavish flame]

Throw on Jackbox or Mario Party

[rough basalt]

Mario party? In this economy?

[reef tundra]

Once me and my friends played UNO but we had to be in-character as our party

[rough basalt]

Ime I've not had a dnd group that did anything if the dm didn't wanna run the session.

It was just "aight next time"

[reef tundra]

Ended with my oath of vengeance paladin strangling the fighter

[rough basalt]

Cause nobody else would run anything.

Course last minute cancels made sense. But cancels ahead of time someone else could plan something, didn't have to be a tabletop game.

[minor cargo]

I-

Wait, we might be talking about different things. I'm talking about how if a group doesn't have anyone who wants to be a DM, you can play something else (like a video game or board game).

I'm not talking about an existing D&D group where the DM has said that they're not able to run one time.

[rough basalt]

I mean a DnD group where the dm doesn't wanna run games or 5e games at least anymore or take a break, but if they want to keep their group around they have to.

[wind dawn]

Afternoon!

[reef tundra]

Afternoon

I was just making the usual joke but I don’t actually mean it

[raw crypt]

does DnD exist for the group, or the group exist for DnD? that's probably where the line is drawn.

[reef tundra]

I love DMing. More than being a player

[rough basalt]

Ime the latter is more common

Without dnd, they probably would never interact with each other outside of happenstance.

[minor cargo]

It's tough for me to speak outside of my own experience, but pretty much all of my groups also hang out even if there's no D&D involved.

Like one time, we cancelled D&D and instead went to a pop-up shop. Or we decide on board-games at a cafe. Or stuff like that.

[raw crypt]

having a large enough friendgroup of nerds willing to play DnD is quite rare, at least for me personally

[severe rampart]

And good friends aren't always good DnD friends

[reef tundra]

Same here with me.

[raw crypt]

I suppose it really just depends on your circles and where DnD lies within those

[rough basalt]

It also depends on the circle

[bronze parrot]

is a good combo build a druid (Circle of Spores) and Wizzard (School of necromancery) and race would be a reborn?

[rough basalt]

I feel like if your group does respect you as a person they won't just leave as soon as you the dm says "I'm taking a break"

But unfortunately for enough people that it's a known issue it's like "aight if they're not running I guess we're not playing. See ya."

[flint ledge]

That would be entirely disrespectful

[rough basalt]

I do feel like the anonymity of the internet and online games being more common than IRL ones probably plays a role in how the issues of the community are prevalent or seem prevalent.

It's easy to just ghost people online cause there's no chance you'll run into them at like Walmart and have to deal with the awkward looks.

[stray atlas]

so I've got another random question, are there any unique crossbows in dnd y'all are a fan of?

[raw crypt]

unique crossbows in dnd? do you mean existing content or homebrewed

[stray atlas]

existing

when I say unique I mean weapons like blackrazor for reference

where they're special weapons with lore

[raw crypt]

I don't think there are any, off the top of my head

just variants of existing legendary weapons, like dragon's wrath and such

[stray atlas]

shame

thanks

[rough basalt]

Yeah I don't think there's any special crossbows

Special weapons lean towards blades and bows.

With one special gun

[raw crypt]

could always work with your dm to make some up and borrow from existing artifacts

[short brook]

which is the special gun?

[raw crypt]

iirc there's some sort of topaz musket, unsure if that's the one though

[fresh bloom]

Hmm, a metal character who was placed as an enemy in opposition to an old character of mine who was a bard, therefore an artist.

Is this DM trying to criticize something? No... Imagine, it must be my imagination.

[rough basalt]

Oh didn't know about a topaz musket

I was thinking of the Thunderbuss

[raw crypt]

yea double checking, there's the Topaz Annihilator from fizban's

oh it doesn't have the loading property

[shut relic]

What is some good combo of classes for 5 players

[raw crypt]

blaster, striker, controller, defender; that's generally the core roles, but most classes can fill multiple to some extent so it really depends on your builds and subclasses

[shut relic]

so can you put each of the classes in one of these 4 categories?

[raw crypt]

most classes can fill multiple to some extent so it really depends on your builds and subclasses

[shut relic]

ig but in general

[raw crypt]

it may be easier to say what each class is the worst at, but even then they usually have some ability for that role

[shut relic]

ok so what does each do?

[cerulean monolith]

Cleric, Fighter, Rogue, and Wizard is the classical D&D party

[shut relic]

with paladin as the 5th

Ik we have played that way in the starter kit was thinking of something else

since we are making characters for the 1st time

[hot reef]

It doesn’t matter that much, you probably want a caster or two and you’re set

[shut relic]

ya but we would prefer similar roles as are previous campaigns

[raw crypt]

artificers - prep time is your bread and butter, use spells to buff party and support your attacks
barbarians - beefy frontliners that take hits and eat hits
bards - jack of all trades with strong versatility and support options
clerics - specializes in buffs, debuffs, and healing
druids - wide variety of control and support spells and abilities, or optionally specialize in animal forms
fighters - has the most builds due to feat amount, can probably be built for anything
monks - excellent skirmishers with lots of movement options
paladin - armored frontline units with strong buffs and burst damage, and additional healing
ranger - martial-oriented caster, can hit things with access to control and support spells
rogue - high burst damage and incredible out-of-combat utility
sorcerer - low spell count offset by ability to modify those spells, great damage dealers
warlocks - less spells but more often, cozy up to a powerful deity for some great abilities
wizards - sheer versatility due to having access to the most spells in the game ||technically bards can access more, but wizards can swap at will||

y'all please fact check me or feel free to add

also these are not in any way indicative of all the different ways you can build each class

[hot reef]

All of the classes can vary depending on subclass

[raw crypt]

if I included each subclass I'd be here for hours lol

[hot reef]

Indeed
It’s just good to know that all of these are the main function of the class, and they can get maybe a third of the function of another class

[shut relic]

so barbarian is the tankiest?

generally

[raw crypt]

yes and no?

[short brook]

In a way

[hot reef]

Any composition works, really
If the party’s missing something like spellcasting or healing, it’ll just be one less tool you have, but still viable

[severe rampart]

I mean, while in rage, probably

[raw crypt]

they have the most HP and are built around that, but HP isn't the only indicator of tankiness

[severe rampart]

High AC and HP ≠ Good Tank

[short brook]

They're encouraged to soak damage, but other characters become tanky by the virtue of just not being hit

[hot reef]

In a fight with BPS, they’ll be among the better ones

[severe rampart]

Paladins are better tanks I think due to Compelled Duel

[raw crypt]

ancestral guardians my beloved

[short brook]

Paladins are definitely the tankiest imo

[severe rampart]

Battlemaster close second

[short brook]

Though i do think BM is close

[shut relic]

at lower levels

[short brook]

oh lol

[severe rampart]

Guess I Echo'd your words

[raw crypt]

somehow get access to shield/AA and your ability to not die goes up by a lot

[shut relic]

battle master is a fighter???

[onyx haven]

Ancestral Barb is my preferred Tank set up, because they have a very solid taunt feature

[severe rampart]

Yeah

[hot reef]

It’s not the best for tanking, since they can do aoe attacks fine, only works on one enemy, takes a BA, and requires a save

[severe rampart]

Battlemasters are good tanks, Default Fighter isnt battlemaster though

[hot reef]

One of the better options, but paladin has a lot of other things they need to be doing too

[raw crypt]

default fighter™?

[severe rampart]

Fair point

[raw crypt]

are we talking champ?

[severe rampart]

Sorry, I meant Base Fighter, the core features

[shut relic]

arent champions decent tanks?

[quiet solar]

I am a new player and would love to get in a game are any open?

[tall forge]

Oh are we on the tank talk again?

[severe rampart]

Core Features only fighter, not the subclass Champion

[hot reef]

Barbarian 2014 can be pretty good due to having advantage on grappling

[tall forge]

Cause it depends what you mean by tanking, as always

[raw crypt]

champions can soak some damage due to self healing iirc, but tanks need methods to disable/redirect the enemy

[short brook]

oo true

[severe rampart]

IMO Tanking is just preventing your partymates from taking damage

[knotty vine]

Why hasnt someone told me about Mithral armor sooner

[tall forge]

Yea, no one can really do that great in dnd still

But there are enough soft taunts

[scenic zinc]

Tanking as it's commonly understood isn't much of a thing in 5e

[knotty vine]

Rune fighter

[severe rampart]

We don't have "Follow Me"

[prime basin]

yea champions can be tanks, but you’re better off going with something like paladins or even abjurist wizards for tanks

[raw crypt]

if enemies can just walk past your fabulous slab of beef and attack your squishy friends, your build isn't doing much

[knotty vine]

They legit have a ability to just make an attack hit someone else

[tall forge]

Or yknow

[prime basin]

I disagree, i think tanking in games is different from tanking in video games

[tall forge]

Shoot em

[short brook]

i come from mobas, so tanks in those games don't always actively protect they can but they're just bricks usually

[severe rampart]

The best defense is an amazing offense

[raw crypt]

tanking by way of "if you don't kill me I will kill you" is a perfectly valid method of going about it

[tall forge]

This is ultra true in dnd

[scenic zinc]

I said "as it's commonly understood" for that exact reason.

[severe rampart]

god I love Valor Bards

[prime basin]

True, but i’d also argue preventing yourself from being hit over dealing a bunch of damage is also a good defense

[raw crypt]

the tank after the bladesinger wizard hits 30 AC:

[hot reef]

Depends on how the DM chooses to run enemies
Enemy with no spellcasting, with multiple PCs who can threaten OAs? They may not want to move

[cloud mulch]

Tbf for unintelligent monsters and beasts basically anything that isn’t human or above thy just go for the closest person

[short brook]

ngl i think BM parry/riposte should be the same maneuver.

[severe rampart]

No... please no

[prime basin]

college of swords plus blade master fighter

[severe rampart]

I would hate that

[short brook]

if the parry completely negates the damage i feel like it makes sense?

[severe rampart]

Reducing damage + counterattacking?

[scenic zinc]

I promise you don't want this. That approach will result in many more deaths than you'd think.

[severe rampart]

That's a free reaction whether they hit or miss

[short brook]

ya, i don't think it's that insane lol considering you have like 4 dice

[cloud mulch]

Tank is the most hated roll in my party because a lot of builds tha do a lot of damage are squishy. So most people want the glass cannons for fun instead of the tank

[raw crypt]

that's fair enough, though I would think anything with some intelligence would go for the source of the problem eventually

also, entirely dependent on DM

[severe rampart]

That you regain on a short rest

[thorn badge]

I wonder why PHB 2024 got rid of the signet ring item in its adventuring gear list. Still got buckets, jugs and iron pots though

[prime basin]

it wasn’t an item

[short brook]

eh, i think it's ok, it wouldn't break anything

[shut relic]

its the opposite here. People die to quickly as non tanks

but its cause we are nooby

[prime basin]

it was a thing but it wasn’t an item

[hot reef]

If they don’t go for downed PCs and they have healing/stabilizing tools, it’s usually fine

[short brook]

you still have to roll to reduce and you can just not hit the make or break point

[severe rampart]

They're two separate maneuvers for a reason

[prime basin]

its like how the torn banner piece was a thing but wasn’t an item for the soldier background

[severe rampart]

If enemy hits, parry and then you counterattack

If enemy doesn't hit you counterattack

[raw crypt]

more attacks per attack™

[scenic zinc]

Except a beast played accurately would go after the downed PC

[prime basin]

indeed

[short brook]

maybe make it so you can burn both at once then?

[hot reef]

I did have to fudge saves for a PC whose player wasn’t present once, after an owlbear landed all of its attacks with one crit

[severe rampart]

I give my party a warning shot The beast looks like it's about to devour party member

[thorn badge]

it was in phb 2014's adventuring gear list

[cloud mulch]

No because you play around it, if you have it so th barb is kissing them and everyone else plays around that it can be really fun, because the enemy still moves around so we use reactions and shit to try and control their action economy focused onto the guy with 100+ health and resistance

[vale kettle]

Imagine you are just not present during a session and next week you are just dead

[tall forge]

I do this :)

[hot reef]

Hence one of the only times I remember fudging

[tall forge]

Or they try to run away with the body

[severe rampart]

Essentially when I attempt to coup de Grace a party member I use a ready action first and then if they still can't save the party member then it's over

[vale kettle]

I would honestly not have that pc in the initiative

And say they are fighting in the background

[tall forge]

Generally, i find going after downed pcs for monsters/beasts with little intelligence just more interesting

[severe rampart]

They got locked in the outhouse while the party was fighting

[tall forge]

It changes the stakes of “the party will die” to “they will kill one of us permanently”

[raw crypt]

concerning beasts, as long as the party has some form of knowledge concerning what will happen, I don't think it's a huge issue

[vale kettle]

Cause plot armour is bad and dying while you were not in session is wirse

[scenic zinc]

It seems you're talking about something entirely separate.

[severe rampart]

Pick them up in your mouth then just run away lmao

[cloud mulch]

I once did a multiattack on a player not realising they were already low, I rolled 2/3 as crits and they died because they were in a dmg field. I allowed them to live because there wasn’t a revival option but I made sure to never do so again as a dm. This was the 1st session of a campaign btw 😭😭😭

[tall forge]

Blink dogs

Had em teleport in, kill a player, grab him and teleport out

[severe rampart]

Evil

[tall forge]

The players then had to change everything to kill it ASAP or that players dead permanently

[severe rampart]

My party had to surrender last session because the mini boss threatened to permanently kill the monk

[hot reef]

My second time DMing I ran a one shot, and crit with max damage
5 damage away from instant kill iirc

[prime basin]

truly a way to face absolute disdain from a player

[tall forge]

Its way easier than risking a tpk every combat, or making monsters weaker

[raw crypt]

on the other hand, that's a great option if a player is tired of their character and needs a change

[tall forge]

We had fun, actually!

[cloud mulch]

counter-spell the revivify trust

[short brook]

was it the aura farmer?

[cloud mulch]

I would murder a dm if they did this to me

[severe rampart]

Was the boss I made a little difficult?
165 HP with 4 Second Winds and 3 Battlemaster Maneuvers lol

[prime basin]

this is for the lvl 2 party right?

[short brook]

well how many pcs did ya have?

[tall forge]

If the players didnt want the guy to die, they gotta position better and work together

[severe rampart]

I'm not evil, level 4 party

[severe rampart]

Five of 'em

[tall forge]

Ofc thats dependent on the group

[short brook]

naaah, thats fine not even gonna lie

[prime basin]

ahh, should give it 2 action surges

[tall forge]

But its also just better than every single combat being either a stomp or a near tpk imo

[severe rampart]

It does have Action Surge when bloodied and access to three more Battlemaster maneuvers for a total of six

[woven flint]

Playing Borderlands has got me wanting to play a Psychotic Sahuagin Cultist

[raw crypt]

"can I have my turn now"

"no"

[prime basin]

ahh of course

[cloud mulch]

My party are a bunch of of minmaxers whilst some parties consist of people just there to rp and most are a mix. So it rly depends

[severe rampart]

It's actions are Multiattack, with the battleaxe that deals 2d10 + 4 damage, +7 to hit

[prime basin]

remember to the dms out there…make your players feel the pain of an action surge

[woven flint]

Psychotic fish man cultist with a hammer and ge calls himself "Fishpaste"

[prime basin]

legendary actions aren’t enough

[raw crypt]

it's a legendary action but funnier

[tall forge]

I made my players feel the pain of tunnel fighter+sentinel

[severe rampart]

Lmao, my Battlemaster was surprised when I riposte'd him

[severe rampart]

Oh god... My Battlemaster has sentinel and he tanked hard last session

[tall forge]

The poor monk

[cloud mulch]

My dm loves making homebrew classes for boss fights they can then give us to play it’s so fun

[raw crypt]

every group I've played with has banned tunnel fighter lol

[woven flint]

I very badly want one of my characters to say
"Jokes on you.. I was in debt!"
When they die

[hot reef]

Generally death isn’t an issue in my games
To remove them would require stretching the narrative, balancing on the fly, etc
While keeping them in just means one person plays 2 PCs for the session, and the missing player gets to hear about how their PC demolished the enemies (not sure why this is a tendency in games I run)
If there’s an easy way to write it, I’ll separate them, but it’s not a huge issue to keep them in either

[tall forge]

My next boss monster im giving it 3 stat blocks for different body parts :)

[raw crypt]

why only 3 when you can give them phases

[woven flint]

I cannot make the jokes I want to make here 😔

[tall forge]

Fear and bunger….

[severe rampart]

I have a really fun idea for next session, depending on their actions it could go from the fighter using their lycanthropy to prison break or a courtroom session

[woven flint]

Fir and Bungee

[cloud mulch]

3 initiative counts or nah?

[tall forge]

Yep

[cloud mulch]

Sickkkk

[tall forge]

Shares an HP total, with each needing a certain amount dealt to it

To expose its “core” to disable it

[woven flint]

Metal Gear... Rising? 🤔

[severe rampart]

The boss I have planned for when my party is level 5 is a bit... too op actually

Has Legendary Actions, Lair Actions, Second Phase, Spellcasting, oh and minions...

[tall forge]

Idk anything about metal gear outside of smash bros

[short brook]

How much power does a humanoid have to accumulate to reach CR 30? Idk if just being a demigod is enough...

[vale kettle]

No it would not

[woven flint]

You're missing a whole lotta memes

[raw crypt]

the only metal gear that matters to me is revengance

[hot reef]

Not sure which part but yes it would

[cloud mulch]

This reminds me so much of an automaton boss I made. 3 parts with 3 initiative orders. The first grabs and grapples people controlling the field. The second cast cc and discombobulates people and the third does mad damage. This was based on the fetch decide execute cycle in CPU’s

[woven flint]

Fun Fact, Demi-Gods aren't half-mortal individuals in D&D
They're full gods
Just called a demi-power

[vale kettle]

1. Stretching the narrative
2. Balancing

[short brook]

oooh, interesting i did not know that.

[woven flint]

Becoming a Demigod in D&D means you've achieved full godhood 🧐

[vale kettle]

No it doesn’t

[woven flint]

Demigods, notably, can't give their followers spells until they grow in power

[woven flint]

Yes, it does

[vale kettle]

Source?

[hot reef]

Those are the two main issues of removing a PC when they can’t make it

[woven flint]

Hold on, internet slow, grabbing a Source.

[vale kettle]

They are not hard to fix.

1. They are there but fighting in the background or something(players cant interact with them cause you treat that are as a fray from dragonlancer optional rules)

2. You can definitely remove some hit points from the enemies and or make them fight 1 less enemies

Taking control of their character basically means they cant die ever so the party just has an immortal pc which is unfair for the rest of the party

And if they die somehow… ngl i don’t expect any player to take that in anyway but negative

[hot reef]

First one is narratively unsatisfying (the degree to which will vary depending on how your table works and the circumstances)
Second one is doable as well, but is a form of fudging

[vale kettle]

How is it not satisfying

[woven flint]

"A demigod was, contrary to its name, not a half-god but a full deity, though the weakest of these and only capable of the most basic abilities of a god, which were still of superhuman nature. They generally represented one aspect of mortal life and had hundreds, or even thousands, of followers and were capable of granting spells."

( Eric L. Boyd, Erik Mona (May 2002). Faiths and Pantheons. Edited by Gwendolyn F.M. Kestrel, et al. (Wizards of the Coast), p. 6. ISBN 0-7869-2759-3.)

[vale kettle]

Well actually lemme rephrase that

It shouldn’t matter if it is satisfying

[hot reef]

Because literally everyone else present is fighting mechanically, including NPCs, while only that PC and some other nook isn’t

[vale kettle]

They are not present at the table

[hot reef]

Perhaps not at your table
It’ll vary depending on the game

[vale kettle]

How is that satisfying for them??

[vale kettle]

I stand corrected… thank you

[hot reef]

It matters to a lesser extent for the DM and other players
And the missing player hears about how their Gloomstalker took out half the boss’s HP on turn one later

[vale kettle]

Yes the other players are definitely happy that their other party member is effectively immortal. Its absolutely fair for them

[hot reef]

Uh not sure where you got immortal from

[vale kettle]

Oh so they can die?

[hot reef]

Yeah

[vale kettle]

Lets say they do, what do you think the player who invested a lot into their character and comes back the next week to hear “sorry g the dice did not want your character to live so you gotta write up a new character”

[hot reef]

It’d take a TPK or something similar, though

On a boss fight I may not be against it

I just wouldn’t have them die to an owlbear, for instance

[vale kettle]

I would agree if a while party died and the not present player also perishes because well its a tpk everyone died

[hot reef]

It didn’t remove stakes for them either, since I fudged it behind screen
Certainly would’ve been better if I didn’t need to fudge

[vale kettle]

It would be better if that pc was not in the initiative and you would not need to fudge

[hot reef]

In 90+% of cases, their PC wouldn’t end up near death

[vale kettle]

No its a 100% case cause you will be fudging the dice so they would survive

[hot reef]

Didn’t make narrative sense. They were traveling within 30 feet of each other, and an owlbear attacks. Can’t introduce any other enemy, as it was a hunting event where that would give them free points.

[vale kettle]

Unless its a tpj

[vale kettle]

Why not

[hot reef]

Near death to the point where I’d need to consider fudging

[vale kettle]

So basically they are immortal until the party dies

[hot reef]

The game wasn’t balanced around it, and enemies were scarce enough to the point where it wouldn’t make sense?

[hot reef]

Most PCs are anyways, I typically don’t attack downed PCs/kill PCs
They’re maybe twice as safe as normal PCs

[rough basalt]

I sometimes attack downed pcs

[vale kettle]

😭 so they are basically immortal

[hot reef]

Might’ve done it once

[hot reef]

In most fights, death is quite rare and I don’t intend to have anyone close to death, yeah

[rough basalt]

Last PC i killed directly was by hitting his downed body with a 6th level spell

[vale kettle]

I mean sure, you do you

[woven flint]

You mentioned Remir's Death either earlier today or yesterday..

Are we gonna be able to run the ones with her again soon?
I'd love to put an Evil wizard in the ground.

Nobody kills our little bard man and gets away with it!

[rough basalt]

Might be

[woven flint]

Oh, did you allow Remir to keep his small size when he became a Reborn btw?

[rough basalt]

Ye

[hot reef]

I’ve had two PCs in campaigns die throughout my DMing experiences (30-38ish sessions?)

[woven flint]

Epic!
I don't think that was an option for whatever reason with the original >:/

[minor wagon]

Hello folks

[knotty vine]

I love how it says that you can make one of these things with find familiar https://www.dndbeyond.com/monsters/416909-abyssal-chicken

[vale kettle]

that creature has a face not even a mother would love

[knotty vine]

"With your permission, a character who casts the find familiar spell can henceforth choose to conjure an abyssal chicken instead of a raven."

[minor wagon]

I understand that makes sense since they were within 30 feet and it was a hunting event, so adding another enemy wouldn’t work. Maybe the owlbear’s behavior or the encounter could be adjusted instead. What kind of outcome were you hoping for from that scene?

[knotty vine]

dnd is such a troll sometimes

[raw crypt]

I just read its one trait and I love these things already

[hot reef]

Other than fudging, it was pretty good

That was over a year ago

[rough basalt]

I don't try to kill PCs and I like to sometimes have creative ways they can be brought back if the player wants, but I will kill them.

It's for sustenance.
I haven't eaten a good PC soul in too long /j

[polar path]

Im playing through tomb of annihilation soon and im wondering how much down time players usually get or if theres allot of time constraints? No spoilers please.

[scenic zinc]

I'm not entirely sure I've ever seen the amount of downtime specified in any module.

Pacing is up to dm discretion

You should ask your dm what they plan to do.

[knotty vine]

In 1 combat encounter I

1. Turned into a goat
2. Gave every creature within 30ft of me vulnerability
3. Went to the astral plane
4. Set everything on fire for 1 minute

[polar path]

Thanks ill ask him.

[scenic zinc]

A very simple "will downtime be a part of what we do" should suffice

[knotty vine]

In 2 turns

Wild magic+ fey wild shard is crazy

[scenic zinc]

Someone is playing wild magic sorcerer

[knotty vine]

Dude I love wild magic sorcerer so much

[glad arch]

The greatest sorcerer

[knotty vine]

Rolling 2d100 is peak

I’m also a fairy

[uncut zenith]

The new Wild Magic sorcerer is great

The old one left much to be desired imo

[knotty vine]

True

[gritty totem]

I once saw someone make the truly wild magic sorcerer table

d1000, each number with a different effect

[knotty vine]

The main thing I love about the new one is that you can force as many wild magic surges as you have spell slots technically

[rough basalt]

Old one was either die, do nothing, or rarely do something

[knotty vine]

Holy

[glad arch]

Curious did they change the wild magic table or is that the same?

[severe rampart]

... Guess I'm gonna play a wild magic sorcerer

[rough basalt]

They changed the table

Made it more useful/impactful

[knotty vine]

Most of them are good

[glad arch]

Now that i gotta check out, ive only played 2014 wild magic

[rough basalt]

rather than "blow yourself up and wipe your party lol"

[knotty vine]

Done this twice before lmao

[rough basalt]

I remember a story about how player had a homebrew wild magic thing that any time he took damage wild magic was rolled

[knotty vine]

The fire ball is now longer on yourself but you can still cast polymorph on yourself

And you turn into a goat if you fail the save

There’s also the potted plant

[rough basalt]

And he rolled fireball on himself like 4 times in succession

[still plover]

Oh no!

Anyway...

[knotty vine]

I just imagine that one elden ring self explosion thing

Immediately after you cast a Sorcerer spell with a spell slot, you can create an effect of your choice from the Wild Magic Surge table instead of rolling on that table. You can choose any effect in the table except for the final row, and if the chosen effect involves a roll, you must make it.

this is the level 18 ability

You can pretty much once per long rest just say no to death

[wintry spindle]

have you guys ever done a "Fine i'll use every last drop" in the game? Like almost dying and you have a 3rd lvl spell slot left and you go in for the kill with just fireball while you are also in range

[severe rampart]

Aghh, back is the pain of looking for a game

[severe rampart]

Oh yeah, definitely

[knotty vine]

did that last night

[wintry spindle]

it's my favourite moments

[severe rampart]

We went up against an 18th level caster, and everyone in the party just dealt insane amounts of damage

[severe rampart]

We were all level 8

[wintry spindle]

I'm not a fan of "nova" playing but when it's earned going all out its awesome

[severe rampart]

I had to Quicken CME and Scorching Ray (House Rule)

[knotty vine]

I love always going all out

[wintry spindle]

I like it when the pacing of the adventure has been great

I don't like it if it's every encounter and then you get a longrest

[severe rampart]

Multiple encounters per day is always fun

[wintry spindle]

but like as a fighter you have been through a lot of battles it's the final one... and you whip out the action surge!

"I'm not done yet"

"You only have so many legendary reactions, so I will force you to use them all"

[knotty vine]

I got a 99

Only healed 2d10 damage

[cobalt owl]

Very happy today, got some very very cool art of my character

[severe rampart]

Oohh nice

Care to share it in arts and crafts?

[cobalt owl]

I would if it wasn't 5AM lol

So I might link the artist another time

[undone rain]

Wow i actually found people irl that plays dnd

This is a moment in history

[wintry spindle]

that feeling when you first have dnd in a week

[rough basalt]

Tonight my monday game continues their journey to the north

And what they'll run into along the way

And probably level up

[turbid vessel]

last night we convinced a band of roving pirates that if we take care of their vampire opposition, they'll join our ship crew
we obviously left out the detail that our last ship crew got galleon'd to death by marauders headed by a death knight

[wintry spindle]

I have to start designing the town they are going to, I know the concept but drawing takes so long

[slender mason]

just realised that Circle Casting pairs quite well with Arcane Gate

still doesn't become Gate levels, but

I guess still requires sight too but, just start on a Vantage points

[rough basalt]

Circle Casting is pretty cool

Haven't seen it yet so I'll have to do it myself.

[slender mason]

weird that I can't sort by effect on DDB

cause Teleportation is a listed effect

I just wanna see all the spells that do that

[lavish flame]

Off the dome: Misty Step, Vortex Warp, Word of Recall, Dimension Door, Teleportation Circle, Transport Via Plants, Teleport, Plane Shift, and Gate

cpulda sworn there was a "sort by effect" for the spells on DDB

[undone rain]

So what fight type do yall want the next class to be. Full caster, martial or half caster

(Technically half casters are martials but i count em as their own)

[reef tundra]

I love full casters, don't get me wrong, but I'd love for there to be more than 4 non-caster classes

In my games the number is 6, because I allow Blood Hunter and my homebrew Metamorpher class, but I'd still love more

Same with half casters, I'd love for the number to be a clean 4 half caster classes

Although it is 4 at my tables again because of my homebrew Battleblood class 😎

[undone rain]

I agree on both points ngl

Just wonder what they would do with em