dnd-discussion

[fiery nimbus]

Reborn

"Death isn’t always the end. The reborn exemplify this, being individuals who have died yet, somehow, still live. Some reborn exhibit the scars of fatal ends, their ashen flesh or bloodless veins making it clear that they’ve been touched by death. Other reborn are marvels of magic or science, being stitched together from disparate beings or bearing mysterious minds in manufactured bodies. Whatever their origins, reborn know a new life and seek experiences and answers all their own."

[umbral girder]

Yeah Flameskulls are pretty cool

I need to use them more

A real glass cannon

[fiery nimbus]

"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long,"

[umbral girder]

A tier 1 monster with Fireball

[hot marlin]

A fun fight we had was one skull lord with six flame skulls, and a few wights and other corporeal undead.

[fiery nimbus]

if they don't cast it centered on themselves, i don't want em

[hot marlin]

It was... Well, very fun for the characters with evasion

[fiery nimbus]

The flameskull is a 5th-level spellcaster.

[stray atlas]

this reminds me actually

ik that lathander opposes undead but does he have any specific reaction/tenets for people that became undead unwillingly?

[umbral girder]

Proabably a "Destroy them to free their soul" type thing

[fiery nimbus]

that means necromancers are welcome to join

[empty thicket]

expected higher?

[vale kettle]

wdym its Cthulhu i expected that thing to be "You lose scenario"

an ancient Red dragon is putting its hands on Cthulhu

[wintry spindle]

does cthulhu have prep time?

[rough basalt]

They said they'd give us statblocks for the darklords and a new darklord

They gave us statblocks and a new dark lord.

[vale kettle]

how does that matter in this scenario what so ever

[empty thicket]

oh wait, with that context yeah, should be higher

[wintry spindle]

Cthulhu with prep time can beat anything

[empty thicket]

Tiamat layer

[vale kettle]

Not with that statblock lol

[wintry spindle]

nah nah he will create some warlocks and let them do the fighting for him

[rough basalt]

Ye keep in mind the Dreadlords can't be permanently killed.

[vale kettle]

An ancient dragon spawn camping Cthulhu 💀

[wintry spindle]

thats why Cthulhu needs prep time

[vale kettle]

Cause its feature is to respawn in 1d10 weeks

[rough basalt]

Idk I feel like Cthulhu would have servants and measures in place to prevent such a scenario.

[vale kettle]

aint no servant doing anything

[rough basalt]

An ancient red dragon is just one entity

[wintry spindle]

A great old one warlock would maybe do it

[vale kettle]

if we re gong by that logic

[wintry spindle]

how many eldritch blasts does it take to kill the red dragon?

[rough basalt]

You can overwhelm Dragons with numbers. It's why Dragons don't have control of the material plane in DnD.

[vale kettle]

why wont the ancient dragon not have servants or magic items that it could have

[rough basalt]

They know if they tried, they'd get ran over by numbers.

It's why humans are always OP in fiction where they're written realistically

[wintry spindle]

It could have some kobolds in its lair true

[rough basalt]

You kill one human, five more replace it.

[stray atlas]

random thought, who is the newest god that's canon?

[wintry spindle]

1 billions lions vs red dragon

[gusty tangle]

to true

[fossil hollow]

Lion ladder

[wintry spindle]

BG3 technically has an ending that would be one

[stray atlas]

I thought bg3 wasn't canon to 5e?

[fossil hollow]

||Gale just becomes Mystra, technically not a new god||

[wintry spindle]

true

[vale kettle]

im just saying for a god of lovecraftian mythos being weaker than a ancient red dragon is absurd

[wintry spindle]

kinda is they show up in heroes of faerun

[fossil hollow]

BG3 is its own continuity. Karlach, Astarion, Shadowheart are all shown and depicted in the Forgotten Realms books

[rough basalt]

FR books made it kinda, but the canon endings are the good ones from what I can tell.

[wintry spindle]

||except shadowheart is back in her old armor||

[stray atlas]

mainly because of Lae'zel

[fossil hollow]

again, it is its own continuinity

[rough basalt]

I think they did it for drip.

Cause the only thing Sharrans do have is drip

[stray atlas]

albeit that's the one part of bg3 I want to be canon

[junior jasper]

Hello!

[fossil hollow]

Actually, BG3 technically has several continuinity

[stray atlas]

vlaakith immediately came across as acting way too elitist and demanding for her position

[fossil hollow]

Thats her normally

[stray atlas]

and I would have had my first character (gloomstalker ranger) shoot her if I could

[rough basalt]

Vlaakith is one of DnDs most powerful larpers

[wintry spindle]

what does that mean

[stray atlas]

yes and what I learned afterwards made me want to do it more

[rough basalt]

Live action role playing

Basically pretending to be someone you aren't.

[wintry spindle]

i know what larping is but i just dont understand the context

ahhh

[rough basalt]

Vlaakith larps as a Goddess when she's not one.

[wintry spindle]

liches be liches

[stray atlas]

her and shar both make me wonder how someone or a group of gods haven't gotten sick of the both of them

[vale kettle]

by the description of the ancient red dragon it has servants from other planes of existance... no just kobolds

[rough basalt]

If you killed her in her Palace and destroyed her phylactery she's just gone.

[fossil hollow]

Her Worshipper section on the FR wiki is literally just:

Worshipers
“
Tl'a'vlaakith, chyrki. Tl'a'vlaakith, tavki. Tl'a'vlaakith, lash'a'kla.
”
— A basic prayer to the Undying Queen.[1]
“
To slay in her name is our greatest service. To die in her name is our last act of reverence.
”
— Meldavh, githyanki knight.[14]

[wintry spindle]

but the 1 billion lions will kill the red dragon

[rough basalt]

Shar is crucial to balance

[stray atlas]

yes but I'm still surprised

[rough basalt]

Where there is ultimate good and more attractiveness (her sister) you need ultimate evil and ugliness.

It's why the Elven versions exist too
(Lolth vs her daughter Eilastree)

[stray atlas]

vlaakith especially

it starts to happen in bg3

[fossil hollow]

... if thats ugly, I dont know what is pretty and ugly now

[rough basalt]

I believe being as petty and evil as Shar trumps physical looks

[fossil hollow]

the evil makes her the hot one

[rough basalt]

If she was based evil like Kas. It'd be hot evil.

[stray atlas]

but I'm surprised it hasn't happened before

[rough basalt]

But she's cringe evil like Lolth

So her hotness makes her ugly

Cause in dnd there's based evil and cringe evil

Bhaal (B for based) vs Cyric (C for Cringe)

[stray atlas]

I find bhaal cringe too

also his followers certainly do not fit what he's supposed to be in a few pieces of media

[rough basalt]

Bhaal at least has style. He believes that murder should be an art.
Cyric was just mad a hot woman and hot dude were better than him (Current Mystra before she became Mystra and Kelemvor)

[olive scroll]

I think i just found a nice little combo on warlock all you need is:

• Summon undead
• Pact of the chain
• investment of the chain master

What you need to do:

1. You use find familiar to summon a pseudodragon
2. The pseudodragon poisons and incapacitates the enemy
3. While the enemy is incapacitated you use summon undead to summon a putrid undead spirit
4. You make the putrid undead spirit attack getting advantage on the attack since the enemy is incapacitated and also make the enemy paralyzed since the enemy is poisoned while the putrid undead spirit attacks

[rough basalt]

It is funny how the origin story for a lot of evil entities in dnd is just them being petty, and having fragile egos.

Cyric became the 1st God that Ao regretted allowing become a God cause he had an inferiority complex.

Lolth betraying Corellon cause she was jealous of his power and position.

[stray atlas]

idk anything about cyric other than him being marvel loki turned up to 11

[rough basalt]

Nah not like MCU Loki at all

[fossil hollow]

Nah, hes more like original Norse Loki than MCU Loki

MCU Loki is cool. Norse Loki was a straight up bastard

[rough basalt]

Marvel Loki has moments of heroism and goodness.
Cyric was never good and only performed heroic acts cause he was partied with Midnight and Kelemvor

[stray atlas]

oh also he killed bhaal once

[fossil hollow]

Bhaal is worth shit

[rough basalt]

Ye when Bhaal was a human during the time of troubles

[stray atlas]

I said marvel loki

not mcu loki

[fiery nimbus]

you forgot about couple points

1. Familiars do not scale for crap in combat

[fossil hollow]

From what i know in the comics.

Still pretty tame, even if you made him go to 11

[fossil hollow]

Thats kinda what Investment is for, to make the DC higher

[empty thicket]

yeah, its sad that

[rough basalt]

Ye Cyric literally murdered Kelemvor his longstanding ally after Midnight became Mystra cause she was no longer around to back Kelemvor up.

[olive scroll]

Well because of investment of the chain master my familiar uses my spell save DC for the poison + incapacitated

[rough basalt]

Cause he didn't like that Kelemvor was stronger than him.

[cloud bison]

Is there a race on dndbeyond (including 3rd party) that shapeshifts, other than shifters and changelings?

[rough basalt]

Cyric also killed dozens of gods for little to no reason

He's basically a rapid dog

[fiery nimbus]

all of that for a drop of blood

[fossil hollow]

Hm? Investment is actually a pretty good, well. Investment

[empty thicket]

the only thing closer to a scaling in familiars are Beastmaster

[rough basalt]

It's why Shar put a collar on him and sicked him after Midnight when she let her guard down.

Cause he was having trouble constantly foaming at the mouth trying to kill her so she was always vigilant.

[olive scroll]

Pretty much if i can pull off the combination of pseudodragon + putrid undead spirit i think thats a guaranteed win i believe

[rough basalt]

Since he still hated her cause being Mystra meant she was better than him.

[fossil hollow]

probably against non immune/legendary monsters

[rough basalt]

I used to think Cyric was just the murderhobo god, but his story is a pretty good textbook example of the "inferiority complex" villain

That loses his mind cause he can never stop comparing himself to others.

[fiery nimbus]

I guess if the familiar moves relatively quick in the turn order it might work

[fossil hollow]

Pseudo is pretty fast with a 60 fly speed

[olive scroll]

Its mainly meant against the one wizard guy in our group who is currently having a villain arc and also against the bosses of the campaign i am in which are all different player characters meaning little to no chance of poison immunity

[rough basalt]

Notably how Cyric killed Bhaal wasn't so cut and dry either.

I used to think it was cause Bhaal was a bum.

He is a bum, but not that much of a bum.

[scenic zinc]

Lord of Murder done got murdered. Liked it so much he needed to have it.

[olive scroll]

Also the good part about pact of the chain is it makes find familiar basically free because no spell slot needed and only 1 action casting time instead of an hour

[rough basalt]

Cyric had a sentient God killing weapon that was a God's avatar. (Mask) and Bhaal fully expected to lose, hell he kinda wanted to, so he created the bhaalspawn first.

[scenic zinc]

I mean, a god getting killed doesn't really kill them. Them losing their followers is what does that.

[rough basalt]

Cyrics actually more of a bum.
Cause Kelemvor broke out of that weapon and kicked his ass.

[fiery nimbus]

aye, its the initiative im worried about

[fossil hollow]

Is what Alert feat is for

[olive scroll]

That means even if the enemy manages to kill the pseudodragon before it gets a turn i can infinitely resummon it hoping that it gets a higher initiative than the enemy

[scenic zinc]

You have better things you could be doing with your action

[rough basalt]

The Fraud God of Murder Cyric cowered in fear when Kelemgoat's soul came out of Godsbane in the city of the dead and then the Fraud was defeated getting his death portfolios taken.

[errant crag]

So tired of people in my groups playing characters that are arrogant super selfish jerks all the time, I understand the idea is that you go through a character arc but after almost a year of the campaign I can't justify my character associating with them at this point.

You need to start changing after a certain point

If we're a year in and your arc hasn't begun then I'm just gonna get sick of it after a point

[hot reef]

that type of character arc should noticeably begin within the first 5 sessions imo

[rough basalt]

Wait I remembered wrong. Fraudric broke Godsbane in a fit of rage and Kelemgoat got out and put him in the dirt.

[fiery nimbus]

how much time did it pass in game and did they have selfishnes blow up in their face yet?

[errant crag]

Not nearly as much as I'd like for it to be blowing up in their face

We're sitting there trying to help him through his character arc and he's just constantly resisting growing in any capacity

[scenic zinc]

This issue should be communicated with the player above table.

[errant crag]

I have and he keeps trying to provide in game justification for it

"Well we just started on my arc" no dude we've been trying to progress it forever now you're just not letting it

[scenic zinc]

The entire "well it's what my character would do" argument fails every time that it's pointed out that they're the one who is deciding that that's the case.

[fiery nimbus]

usually a storyarc in the book would have this character lashout at the party, party would abandon them and they would try to do whatever they are doing alone, fail and in the nick of time their party would arrive to save them teach them the error of their ways.
Its not doable in DnD format though

[scenic zinc]

Your jerk character can decide to not be a jerk.

[errant crag]

We're at the point that I'm struggling to justify my character caring or helping them with it

[scenic zinc]

Because you, the player of that character, don't want to make them a jerk anymore.

[scenic zinc]

Right... and people need to stop pretending like their characters are static like they are in books. They're actively being written as each session happens.

[scenic zinc]

Stop justifying it then.

[fiery nimbus]

Correct, maybe they have a concrete idea of their character they want to play out
and simply do not communicate it to anyone at the table while expecting everyone to stick to the script in their head

not that i can related, i totaly never did that

[waxen lake]

So like obviously i know what the loooking for players mean but like what does the looking for community mean?

[knotty vine]

Explodes you with fire ball

[scenic zinc]

"But you don't understand! They're doing it because their backstory [blah blah sob story]"

[scenic zinc]

afaik its in relation to advertising servers

[fiery nimbus]

Communities are usually discords with large amount of players, an enclosed space where people often run games between each others.
Or maybe its a Westmarch style campaign where the entire thing is one big breathing world you get to play in
Or it's just people wanting to hang out

it depends really

[knotty vine]

It’s what my character would do

[fiery nimbus]

the only thing in common is that they have lots of people in them

[fiery nimbus]

wouldn't have it any other way
now stand still while my character kills yours because this is what my character would do

[knotty vine]

I always find it hard to take west marches seriously

[fiery nimbus]

Same, usually join
make a character... and leave because i need structure to start

[knotty vine]

Cause there’s no real level of connection at least to me

[scenic zinc]

It's because the original ideal for them has been twisted beyond recognition

[knotty vine]

It’s different when I have to talk to someone

[scenic zinc]

Online west marches have besmirched the name

All it is is a different way to run a campaign. One where the party for each session isn't necessarily the same, but the story of the overall campaign is.

Online westmarches have turned the term into something else entirely.

[errant crag]

It's annoying me because it is a more roleplay driven and character relationship driven game, and we are being supportive of him and his plight and are trying to find ways to help him resolve it, and it's metaphorically like he's stubbornly sitting there with his arms crossed all like "Nah, nope, I'm not budging, that's not good enough." and it needs to change at this point, I made it known at the session and he is going to work with the DM to try and improve it by next session and I hope they do because it's completely taking me out of this game.

[fiery nimbus]

can you blow up at him in character?

[errant crag]

It's a roleplay and relationship driven game, if none of our characters can justify being friends with your character anymore, then our hands are tied because we can't just sit there and ignore your character for entire sessions just because he's being a bozo.

[errant crag]

I did, and then I said how I feel above table.

[fiery nimbus]

oh fair enough, either he changes or he goes

[errant crag]

And then on the drive home I told the DM and another player I was carpooling with how I felt.

[scenic zinc]

Personally, I'd leave that game. I'm not telling you to do so... but my patience would have run out for both that DM and that player a long time ago.

[fiery nimbus]

Alright, you did everything you can
lets see where that goes

[fiery nimbus]

wouldn't you wait first to see if the talk worked?

[scenic zinc]

I would have had the conversation much earlier than a year.

[lavish flame]

I'd at least give it 3 sessions after the talk to see if it works out

[scenic zinc]

Like I said, I'm not telling him to leave. I'm saying I would have left already.

[fiery nimbus]

"Best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago, next best is today"
you can't blow off hypothetical by saying you would never be in this situation -_-

[scenic zinc]

He's saying it's a long running issue that he's communicated about multiple times in and out of character about for almost a year now.

The fact that it's taken so long for the dm to finally have a conversation with that player is very concerning.

[olive scroll]

Can anyone recommend me a good origin feat for oath of the ancients paladin?

[errant crag]

I mean it's always been present but it hasn't really annoyed or angered me until today

And so now I've said something above the table about it

[glad ferry]

The goddess mistra went on strike asking for additional assistance because only one person managing magic isn't fair. Instead of a subtle reply she was given a challenge for her request to be accepted. She had to inhabit a mortal body and her magic item hidden on the mortal realm. She has to find a group of people to assist her in finding it. The goddess shar got word of it and is also having her followers look for it to keep mystra from regaining her powers and throne

[junior jasper]

Hello.

[glad ferry]

Hello

[stiff adder]

Just realized you can use war caster to cast support spells as reactions on your allies

[glad ferry]

War caster is a great feat

[stiff adder]

Yeah 100% I'll grab it for my cleric

[glad ferry]

Ive got it on my bard

Another one I didn't realize everything it did until I looked deeper into a character on why passives were so high is observant

[empty thicket]

yep, if they trigger an Opportunity attack tho

[glad ferry]

I like war caster specifically for advantage on concentration checks since they were dumb and had it use a magic users constitution instead of intelligence or wisdom

[stiff adder]

Yeah but concentration isnt so bad anymore with circle casting

[glad ferry]

Circle casting?

Im slowly getting into spell casters so its a fun curveball

[stiff adder]

It's an odd rule for dnd 2024 that allows you to cast stronger spells with more people

[glad ferry]

Im usually more on the side of barbarian and rogue. Gonna be doing my first bard here soon, and only played a wizard in one session. That's really cool

The concentration checks is more every time you get attacked you have to roll to see if a concentration spell remains or goes away

[stiff adder]

Paladins are also Great and uses both weapons, armor and spells

[lavish flame]

Circle Casting was introduced in Heroes of Faerun, its a method by which multiple spellcasters can combine their abilities to perform more powerful versions of the spell. A group of 8 Wizards might make a Fireball 90 feet in radius, for example.

[silk hare]

sth you COULD do to mitigate the CON checks for your spells, is pick up the "resilient: constitution" and "warcaster" feat

if you have both, you have a 90+% chance to succeed on the check

[glad ferry]

Not familiar with resilient

[stiff adder]

But thats no fun compared to 24 hour aura of vitality

[glad ferry]

My bard has speedy, actor, and warcaster

[silk hare]

gives you proficiency with saving throws of the chosen ability score and ups it by 1

[stiff adder]

Not a big fan of speedy

[lavish flame]

Its probably not gonna get a ton of usage by adventuring parties, as you don't often have a billion spellcasters to boost ur spells. Enemies can and do though, so enemies can dump Circle Cast-Expand Spirit Guardians on you and there will be little you can do about it.

[silk hare]

oh yeah thats diabolical

[stiff adder]

Animal shapes expand for an army of angry beasts as long as some villagers join you

[glad ferry]

I did speedy on a yuan ti dancer bard. Though i am gonna limit the uses of advantage on magic saving throws. I think magic resistance is a bit to op even for my liking. Poison makes sense

So circle casting can work with or against you depending on the scenario

[stiff adder]

Just like anything else i D&D

[glad ferry]

I love the yuan ti class. Just changing that aspect primarily

[stiff adder]

Yuan ti is no class

[glad ferry]

Dnd has the places its balanced well, under/over powered depending on the situation or whatever else it may have. Nah its a race

Wrong word came to mind. Sunshine is great. It just fries the brain

[stiff adder]

I play D&D 2024 so Im not familiar with yuan ti

[glad ferry]

Yuan ti pureblood has advantage to saving throws against poison and magic

[lavish flame]

Yuuurp. My party is a Bard, Druid, Wizard, and Eldritch Knight so they can do some real Circle Casting shenanigans. They haven't yet (I thino they're trying to wrap their heads around it still), so I might demonstrate it with some enemies in the future.

[silk hare]

they still exist in 2024

its just not from the PHB iirc, but rather MMOM

[stiff adder]

My players are a Rogue barbarian paladin and artificer so they wont be able to go entirely crazy

Whats mmom?

And iirc

[glad ferry]

Monsters of the multiverse

[errant crag]

Mordenkainen Presents Monsters of the Multiverse

It's a book with a ton of creature stat blocks and a whole bunch of playable races

[unkempt fiber]

Hello all

[lavish flame]

Yeah, MMM is not technically 5.5, but nothing* in it has been reprinted for 5.5, so its as viable a source as you'll get

*Goliath and Aasimar

[rough basalt]

Yeah it was a book to update old splatbook statblocks and species and add certain ones from adventures to a consolidated book.

It was made during the era where 5.5 was being developed more or less

[errant crag]

Yeah anything from it that wasn't reprinted is legal for 5.5e and most of the races in it keep up just fine mechanically

[stiff adder]

Im aware what it is but I thought it was 2014 only

[rough basalt]

2019 to 2024 was them finding out what would work the best before they fixed the core rules.

[errant crag]

Anything from 2014 5e that hasn't been reprinted for 5.5e yet is still rules as written and legal to be used

[stiff adder]

And my group only plays with official 2024 rulew

[lavish flame]

Nah, 5.5 is backwards compatible, you are intended to still use stuff from 2014 alongside ur 2024 stuff

Notably: 2014 adventures probably aren't getting a reprint, you're just gonna have to work with it and update what you can

[errant crag]

I rather like Earth Genasi from MPMoM in 2024 because of the Blade Ward buff in 2024

[stiff adder]

I make my own adventures

[errant crag]

Blade Ward is so much better and them getting it as a bonus action is nice

[rough basalt]

There's other options that'll likely never be reprinted either

Like species exclusive to MTG settings that were printed so far.

[lavish flame]

Look at the forest though, not just the tree

[rough basalt]

Like Leonin, Owlin and whatever in Ravnica.

Some subclasses too

Notably Battlerager. It's an FR only thing (from the Drizzt Novels) so since they didn't reprint it in FR I doubt it'll be remade.

Not that it's good but part of the point.

[lavish flame]

We will likely never see Echo Knight or Graviturgist or Chronurgist get a 5.5 update. If a player wants to play an Echo Knight, thats still allowed. They'll just use the 2024 Fighter with the 2014 Echo Knight or whatever.

[rough basalt]

Ye, Wildemount classes are already deemed "5.5e compatible" as well

[errant crag]

I've played plenty of 5e subs with 5.5e

[rough basalt]

And it's not like CR can reprint Echo Knight whenever they do the setting guide for C3.

[errant crag]

Most of them port up with no issues

[rough basalt]

Cause I believe it's partially WotC property.

And if the C3 setting guide is 3rd party like Tal'Dorei, but if it was partnered like Wildemount I could see a reprint of EK at least.

[errant crag]

Shepherd probably has the most trouble only because most summoning spells being changed

[rough basalt]

Yeah Shepard needs updated.

[glad ferry]

Monsters of the multiverse unlocks 20+ races. Can't remember the exact amount

[errant crag]

It has some fun ones

[rough basalt]

Ye its a good book for players as well as dms

[errant crag]

I think the only two from it that have been reprinted are Changeling and Shifter, and Shifter wasn't changed at all mechanically in its reprint

[rough basalt]

There's a couple more.

[errant crag]

Oh right Aasimar and Goliath

[glad ferry]

Shadow Kai are insane to

[rough basalt]

I think Goliath has been reprinted quite a few times.

[errant crag]

They're in the new PHB now and Changeling and Shifter are in Eberron Forge of the Artificer

[rough basalt]

They were in the Elemental Evil Companion like original Aarocokra and Genasi.

[errant crag]

RIP original Fire Genasi seeing their Darkvision in shades of red instead of gray

Would be cool if we still got nice little flavor things like that

[rough basalt]

I think if we're gonna see another species reprint this year, it might be Thri-kreen

If Dark Sun is the last book of this year like all signs are saying it is.
They're one of the people in it that are still alive after the cleansing wars in Dark Sun iirc that haven't been reprinted.

And their first appearance as a playable species was in the Dark Sun 2e box set

[errant crag]

I'm so curious about the new Dark Sun book

[rough basalt]

Oh right that reminds me.
Even more hopium on the dark sun train cause all the horror UA will be making it into books confirmed

[paper portal]

shadar kai are one of those things that get way overrated because tons of tables run super short days ngl

[rough basalt]

So yet another UA where all will be printed

[paper portal]

when you only have 3 turns of combat a day then yeah resistance is quite good

[rough basalt]

They're revealing the last book in August at gencon.

My guess is they're hoping for some good PR success with Ravenloft to keep the trend up after the FR books.

So they can weather the absolute shitstorm that the Dark Sun announcement will cause.

[lavish flame]

Oh sweet! thats basically confirmation on another spooky scary book

[rough basalt]

Cause you know there's gonna be clickbait YTers going "WotC supports Slavery and genocide?!" Mouth wide open, arrows pointing to Dark Sun cover art.

[lavish flame]

I've still got my hopes up for Book of Vile Darkness 5e

[rough basalt]

That's what I think the Evil UA is for primarily.

[lavish flame]

Does a Book of Vile Darkness necessitate a Book of Exalted Deeds product to match?

[rough basalt]

Next year my third eye senses
Melfs Guide to Greyhawk
Book of Vile Darkness 5e
Adventure
Anthology.

[errant crag]

Just like how every story about pirates condones piracy and every murder mystery celebrates murder

[rough basalt]

Melfs Guide to Greyhawk is also pretty much confirmed. Just debatable whether it'll be DMsguild or official.

[lavish flame]

I basically agree except I think the greyhawk book would not feature a person's name. I think it'd be formatted like Greyhawk: Adventurous Subtitle

If only cuz Forgotten Realms: Heroes, Forgotten Realms: Adventures, and Ravenloft: Horrors

[rough basalt]

Well I'm just going off a community dubbed theory name

Since Luke Gygax is spearheading it.

I agree tho

It's why I think we're gonna get a sleeve set for dark sun like Sigil and Spelljammer

[knotty vine]

Cthulu is gonna be a real monster players can fight

[olive cobalt]

Tuff

[rough basalt]

Champions of Athas: Dark Sun Players Guide
Adventures in the Tablelands: Dark Sun DMs Guide
Oronis's Tome of some kind of name for enemies.

Oronis being the Paarthunax of Dark Sun that was like "wait genocide bad"

[lavish flame]

yup

Although I thought it was Great Cthulhu in D&D, to make it legally distinct

[rough basalt]

It's funny how the considered best Setting Guide book for DnD 4e was the Dark Sun guide.

[knotty vine]

hes only CR 25 so

19 ac and 385 hp those numbers seem a bit low

[rough basalt]

Cause they did the thing I think 5.5e is gonna do

Which was "You wanna kill some slavers? I bet you do. Come on."

[knotty vine]

+9 initi is cool ig

28 int is wild

[rough basalt]

I'm gonna treat it like Cthulhu is bored stuck in his domain so he allows himself to be killable so he can take a few weeks off in limbo.

Unlike Vecna per se, which his statblock is him before he ascended and no longer needed tall dark and handsome to carry him.

[glad ferry]

The ither book id love to get is the one that unlocks the metallic, gem, and other types of drsgon born as well as those dragon types information

[rough basalt]

Wait holy crap. Kas is 6'6

[knotty vine]

not immune to anything either

[rough basalt]

I didn't think he was that tall.

Vecna is "around 6ft" dudes definitely 5'11 like the rest of us short kings but he's not ready to be a short king.

[knotty vine]

im a little disapointed

[rough basalt]

That official art of them at the table looking close to the same size

But in reality Kas at his side looked like his Dad.

[knotty vine]

I am not as disapointed

buddlement is a crazy spell

[rough basalt]

"My short king says it's his turn on the Pantheon."

Then cuts his hand and eye out and says that the pantheon has a "gotta be this tall to be a god" sign.

[knotty vine]

through it feels weird that a great old one is easier to beat then a really big dinosaur

[rough basalt]

Imagine thinking you beat a great old one

Fighting and beating cthulhu is actually just a group delusion and you're all in god knows where

[knotty vine]

It does have dream and gease

I know I spelled it wrong

[rough basalt]

not that wrong, its geas

[knotty vine]

Gease

Minus the e

[rough basalt]

Gease is the 4th level mispell that summons 1d8 greasy geese on the player

[knotty vine]

I summon 3 gease

What do they even do

Why is feeblemind a spell is befuddlement is also a spell?

[rough basalt]

its the same spell

Just befuddlement is a bit nerfed so its not just a "blap" donezo in everything

It hits way harder and is basically a "blap" donezo for casters specifically

[knotty vine]

I mean I do know befuddle does 10d12? damage while the other does 3d6

they also both have the "at the end of 30 days" thing

[rough basalt]

Feeblemind reduces your int and cha to 1 and renders you unable to use magic items, cast spells, talk or understand language

Except acknowledge your allies are allies

[knotty vine]

Right

So ones more for damage and the other is to...

What is the point of feeblemind

[rough basalt]

Render someone completely "feebleminded" which is an archaic derogatory term for well yeah

Part of why they changed the name as well

[fiery nimbus]

feeblemind existed before befuddle

[rough basalt]

Feebleminds been around since 76

[fiery nimbus]

their job is technically identical, remove caster from the combat

[rough basalt]

Befuddle is the less punishing, less offensive replacement that does the same combat effect

[knotty vine]

Oh so befuddle is just reworked febble

[fiery nimbus]

more or less yes

[rough basalt]

Yeah its just a minor rework yeah

[knotty vine]

aw we no longer have the lobotomy spell

[lavish flame]

Feeblemind is 5e, Befuddlement is 5.5. Befuddlement is the reprint

[knotty vine]

I see that now

I was legit thinking "why did they make the same spell twice"

[rough basalt]

Its rename is of the same reason why lich phylacteries are called soul jars now

Removing old terms with offensive connotations, origins or realities. If im using my words right.

[fiery nimbus]

Their job is pointing at the caster and saying "screw that guy for the next X days"

[knotty vine]

30 days if they fail a int save

[rough basalt]

Tho I call them Soul cages and soul prisons

or Soul vessels

[fiery nimbus]

lovely isn't it, though i feel like this is more of a villian spell

[knotty vine]

even if a wizard were to fight cthulhu theres a good shot they might fail

[fiery nimbus]

have BBEG cast it on the Great old good wizard, and bam now you can have a powerful NPC in your campaign and now have them solve the plot

[knotty vine]

as without magic item and them being level 20 with a 20 in that stat it would be around +11 and the dc is like 25

[fiery nimbus]

its great

[stiff rock]

is there a monster close to a siren in 5e?

[fiery nimbus]

define close to siren

[stiff rock]

aquatic creature that sings to its prey to lure it in and kill it

[knotty vine]

Drowned maiden

[stiff rock]

do you know which book it's in?

[knotty vine]

Time to crack open my book of everything

Tomb of beast

[lavish flame]

Tbh I've always thought of this as a player-facing spell

[knotty vine]

Other then that I cant really think of one

[stiff rock]

suppose i could just take a harpy and make it swim instead of fly

[knotty vine]

I mean almost any monster could just legendary res there way out of it is why by the time you got it

[lavish flame]

Like to me, Befuddlement is a "there's a spellcastsr villain, we gotta shut him down for good" instead of a DM turning off a Druid's ability to Druid for an in-game month

[knotty vine]

thats it you lose your spell casting for a month

It also just does a LOT more damage

granted its pretty easy to fix just need a 5th level spell or higher

through if your person who has greater Res was hit by this then

[lavish flame]

Who's ready for a month of downtime!!!

thats if they pass the save after the first month

[knotty vine]

thats a big if

Since the DC will most likely be pretty high too

[rough basalt]

Well at least there's spells that remove it.

[knotty vine]

5th 6th and 9th level

[fiery nimbus]

oh i didn't intend it to be cast on player
its purely for NPC on NPC violence

[knotty vine]

one spell that I dont see used enough on players is bane

[fiery nimbus]

I got to use Imprisonment once, it felt great

[knotty vine]

1d4 from any saving throw can make the diff between life n death

another player said he wanted to fight me in combat and I said you cant even pass my int save without a nat 20 my save DC is 19 and he has a 8 in int

[fiery nimbus]

how

minimum - is 5 isn't it?

[cobalt owl]

Probably some home-brew or exhaustion

Or raise dead

[fiery nimbus]

Dude would be outsmarted by an Ooze

[rough basalt]

Tbf if you're running into Befuddlement you're probably have access to at least 5th level magic.

Or maybe have the ability to get the money together to have an NPC do it.

Or have an npc do it in exchange for a job.

[cobalt owl]

Money for a cleric or a greater res is usually somewhere around

If you have a cleric in the party a 100gp diamond shouldn't be too hard to find at level 9

[rough basalt]

Like my party Monday didn't have money nor access to raise dead for the Bard so they found out a woman out on the ice who can resurrect people.

They went to her and she did it in exchange for getting payment from a Green Dragon for a Resurrection she did for him and he didn't pay her.

[cobalt owl]

Womp

[rough basalt]

Tho her Resurrection is some HB of mine.

[knotty vine]

Womp

[rough basalt]

It's called Essaems Eternal Puppet.

[cobalt owl]

Sounds like a hag

[rough basalt]

She could be called one.

[knotty vine]

I think in counting theres only like 4 resurrection things you can use

[rough basalt]

An arch one.

[knotty vine]

4-5

[cobalt owl]

There it is

Hags come in 3s so unfortunately I have to contemplate the other 2 hags in my coven

[knotty vine]

Revivify Raise Dead Reincarnate Resurrection True Resurrection

[rough basalt]

She's an outlier. Tho I do have an arch-hag coven in the world.

Well per se.

[stiff rock]

a +2 dagger isn't too disastrous to give out to a high-tier 1 party is it? it's only 1d4+2

[rough basalt]

They have dimensional pockets hidden in the cracks in the wall keeping my world blocked off from the multiverse.

[knotty vine]

I still think its weird that True resurr cant revive someone whos been dead for longer then 200 years and 1 second

[rough basalt]

Magic item tracker assumes at least 1 permanent rare in tier 1 so not really

[cinder timber]

Hello friends!

How yall doing

[cobalt owl]

It's also just a dagger

[rough basalt]

Essaems Eternal Puppet is part of my blood magic homebrew so it has some uncomfortable aspects to it.

[cobalt owl]

There are more impactful +2s

[rough basalt]

Spell save DC +2s for example

[knotty vine]

What the skinless man said

[cobalt owl]

Clanks

[rough basalt]

It's a Resurrection spell that takes 3 days to cast.

And you basically turn the target into a "puppet" of yours.

[knotty vine]

I still think its funny that the only thing keeping me from being vulnerable to bludgeoning damage is the meat on my bones

[rough basalt]

Tho you can willingly cut that thread and not have control of them. Also if you die the thread is cut as well.

[cobalt owl]

Angry clattering noises

[rough basalt]

Like the Archhag has a "daughter" whose a merchant in one of my other settlements.

[cinder timber]

How do you be impactful in combat as a support class?

[knotty vine]

how useful would this be?
You become a master of all words. You learn all languages available to characters in the campaign.

[cobalt owl]

Support.

[gritty totem]

you give away buffs

[rough basalt]

Buff, debuff, heal, control spells.

[gritty totem]

debuff enemies

[cobalt owl]

It's in the name lol, support.

[cinder timber]

Can you be impactful? Sorry, im kinda new to playing support so im used to just dealing damage as being impactful in combat

[knotty vine]

Bard

[cobalt owl]

Yes

[gritty totem]

and battlefield control

[knotty vine]

You can punch holes through the game

[cinder timber]

Have u played support Minecraft skeleton?

[cobalt owl]

Yes

[knotty vine]

We love a good support

[cobalt owl]

It's called Cleric

[cinder timber]

Is it fun in combat?

[graceful creek]

[knotty vine]

Idk about that one

[cinder timber]

Im a cleric but more for the narrative and rp ngl

[cobalt owl]

Cleric makes good support. I think Bard probably has better support though

[knotty vine]

Bard is a far more fun support to me imo

[cobalt owl]

Now please turn off your reply ping

[rough basalt]

I like Bards too

[cinder timber]

My b

[knotty vine]

I love adding more dice to the game

[gritty totem]

vicious mockery is really fun

[knotty vine]

peace cleric used to be my favorite

[cinder timber]

Okay, cool. Thanks for the info yall. I dont think im the best cleric domain for it

[cobalt owl]

I went tempest for mine, but there's better support oriented clerics

[cinder timber]

But oh well, Im here for story

[cobalt owl]

I just like tempest

[knotty vine]

Id do CL for meta magic innate so I could do bond + bless in one turn

[cinder timber]

Im doing knowl3dge cleric

[cobalt owl]

I don't think I ever take Warding bond

[knotty vine]

not warding bond

Embold

[cobalt owl]

That's a good one

Peace cleric go brrrr

[knotty vine]

you pretty much get to add 1d4 to any attack roll ability check or saving throw

add bless and it becomes 2d4

[cobalt owl]

Actually a competitor to spirit guardians

[knotty vine]

getting to add a average of +5 to any attack roll ability check or saving throw is peak

[cobalt owl]

It's very cool

[knotty vine]

Minium of 2 max of 8

[rough basalt]

I wanna play a bard again at some point.

[gritty totem]

does anyone have tips to dming. I'm going to be dming for the first time and so far it's been eating me from the inside

[rough basalt]

Know when to say no.
Being nervous is normal.
Only do what you can handle.
You can only get better by doing.

[gritty totem]

and also where can I find some info on lantan the small island to teh left of chult?

[glad ferry]

Ive heard Tasha's has an interesting plot. Gonna be doing vecna a bit later on

[strong wave]

Is the first step to building a character rolling the stats

Or choosing the class

[glad ferry]

I mean dont matter the order. The stats will be good or bad and you place then where you want to

Theres 2 different systems. Point by and rolling

When I roll i just keep all of them even if theres a bad roll and see how it works out

[gritty totem]

I suppose choosing the class going by dnd beyond but it doesn't really matter

[strong wave]

I like to roll for stats

Point buy makes your character better on average but I found it boring

[knotty vine]

I like point buy

“The first step to killing an eldritch horror: don’t die.” such wonderful advice

[gritty totem]

I prefer point buy because I don't want to end up with bad stats

[glad ferry]

A character dying creates emotional moments to though

I dont care if the stats are good or bad. Just makes a character more fun over all with rolling. Can be good or bad ill embrace whatever it gives me

[gritty totem]

I mean it's a bit bad if you're playing the game and can't hit anything because your stats are below average

[glad ferry]

Tis true. I also see it as character plot

And growth

[gritty totem]

depends on the dm, really

[glad ferry]

Ill use whichever system the dm wants to. I just like rolling

[gritty totem]

I mean so far (1 year) I've been playing with my friends and every time we used standard array

[lavish flame]

Ur a new DM, I would blanketly not allow anything found online that a player wishes to try. Figure out how the game works before adding stuff the game never expected. Use your ability to say No, otherwise your goodwill may be abused.

[glad ferry]

I have characters that have rolled poorly, decent, and really good. Standard array makes it easier to dm because everyone is equal. It also limits the type of builds you do to where most will be the same for whichever class your choosing. Pros and cons to each

Im not allowing people to do as they wish. The standard classes are for sure only going to be there without customizing the characters

[buoyant oar]

Tbh as a new DM I recommend only PHB and maaaaaaybe setting books.

[knotty vine]

some 3rd party spells are so crazy cause one of them is legit a count down if it reaches 3 the creature jst dies

You utter the secret name of Azathoth and doom a creature to an inevitable death unless it breaks the spell. The creature gains a curse point at the end of each of its turns. When the creature gains its third curse point, it dies. It loses all curse points when the spell ends.

[glad ferry]

Why is it that eldritch blast is so good yet the only spell that class can really use reliably?

[knotty vine]

Cause you can edit it

make it push or pull someone

[glad ferry]

I have never seen that spell before

[knotty vine]

Its a warlock thing

it also does force damage

which next to nothing is resistant or immune too

[gritty totem]

the only thing I've used from third party is the mandrake race

[glad ferry]

Ive never played the class yet. Im slowly going into magic users to get a hang of their mechanics and placement. As well as how spells work

[gritty totem]

one of my players wanted it for their backstory but from what I've seen and read through it it's not overpowered

[lavish flame]

d10 force damage is very nice, and the class it comes attached to has a great deal of customization that allows for ur Eldritch Blast to become pretty sweet

[glad ferry]

The biggest thing with spells for me is how they read for the effects

[gritty totem]

why is it that ranger is so bad

[glad ferry]

Ive heard some do wizard for only a few classes then multi class so they can use short rest to get spell slots back

[knotty vine]

Only warlock gets all there spells slots back on a short rest

Wizard can get a few back

[lavish flame]

the answer: people have no idea what criteria to evaluate classes by due to the large variety of scenarios D&D can set up, so they often default to Damage Per Round. Ranger is a fine class in 5.5. In 5e, it suffered from low quality Exploration rules that it basically just ignored.

[glad ferry]

Yeah. Apologies. Still getting the differences between wizard, warlock, and sorcerer down

[lavish flame]

So is WOTC

[scenic zinc]

EB isn't that good. The invocations make it that way.

And in '24 those invocations can be applied to more than EB

[paper portal]

even without them its arguably the best damage cantrip

[lavish flame]

d10s of Force is nothing to scoff at. Its basically strictly better than Firebolt

[gritty totem]

I mean isn't it also because of the amount of beams instead of damage increase?

[scenic zinc]

bluf: it isn't.

Longer explanation: doing damage isn't the point of every class.

[paper portal]

biggest die, best damage type and multiple attacks means youre more consistent once you get scaling

[paper portal]

rangers are great at damage anyways idk why people think they arent

[scenic zinc]

Eh. Toll the dead

[lavish flame]

not the biggest die, Poison Spray is a d12. Its poison tho

[paper portal]

true and ray of frost

[paper portal]

oh right i forgot they changed that in 5.5

[lavish flame]

nah thats been the case

just nobody takes it to you never see it

[glad ferry]

New rangers also get information on the enemy they hunters mark along with favorite enemy and terrain advantage

[gritty totem]

but hunter's mark gets bad really quickly

[scenic zinc]

More accurately, it doesn't keep up.

[gritty totem]

yes, there are better spells to hold your concentration on

but the capstone of ranger is a joke

[paper portal]

yeah but it was too short range in 5e to even get counted as a real damage cantrip

[paper portal]

yeah hunters mark is bad but rangers have some fantastic spells

[glad ferry]

It's damage may not scale. It can track for 24 hours, give enemy info which ain't bad

[gritty totem]

Could I get some examples?

[paper portal]

spike growth, pass without trace, absorb elements, plant growth, conjure animals all come to mind

[glad ferry]

Plus you can Sleight of hand hunters mark

[lavish flame]

Cordon of Arrows can go crazy

[limber trail]

May I ask what you mean by this? I might just be tired and forgetting a mechanic

[gritty totem]

You mean as a detection spell?

[glad ferry]

Tracking spell. Place it on someone by Sleight of hand and they will notice or wont

[lavish flame]

I suppose? Its a trap in my mind. Just cast it like 3 times and whoever is coming towards you is getting peppered from all sides by arrows. If you're being pursued, throw down a Cordon of Arrows along your journey and turn your assailant into a pincushion.

[gritty totem]

I thought of it more like something you put when you're going to be in a place for longer amount of time so you can be sure when someone enters the space even when invisible and know exactly where they are

[lavish flame]

As far as I know, you don't need to do this. Hunter's Mark doesn't have any visible phenomenon nor any save so an enemy would not be aware they've been subject to it. You shouldn't need to hide a Hunter's Mark via Sleight of Hand.

[glad ferry]

True

[limber trail]

RAW from memory you can’t actually just use sleight of hand to hide a spell. Some DMs optionally allow it, but for the purposes of these discussions, but it’s not like you can just sleight of hand it.

[gritty totem]

hunter's mark isn't even visible

nothing in it's description states that the target knows it's being targeted

and it has a range of 90 feet

[limber trail]

It does have verbal components which would be noticed.

I generally imagine an enemy would realize they’ve been hunter’s marked once they start taking extra damage of a supernatural type

[fossil hollow]

it is a DC 15 Arcana check to identify per 2024 PHB

[rough basalt]

I imagine if you used it out of earshot on them and you didn't do anything to them yet they probably wouldn't be aware.

I imagine it as something only the caster sees once it's active.

[gritty totem]

so only when they receive damage can they identify it?

You can try to identify a non-instantaneous spell
by its observable effects if its duration is ongoing,
To identify it, you must take the Study action and
succeed on a DC 15 lntelligence (Arcana) check.

[fossil hollow]

As long as its being concentrated on

[strong gazelle]

Ranger spells are cool, but rangers themselves are definitely NOT so good. Steel Wind Strike reminds me of scenes in anime when someone lunges forward, cutting someone in half and appearing just behind them. Conjure Volley also looks cool, but most rangers themselves are mid.

Good thing wizards can use steel wind strike too

As well as warrior domain clerics!

[limber trail]

I will say, the spell is a hunter’s mark. I definitely could imagine a world where there is a visible mark on the creature somewhere. But that’s a flavour conversation, and dubious, I wouldn’t base an entire argument on it.

[gritty totem]

really useful on a blade singer I suppose

[strong gazelle]

Quite.

[meager fractal]

Can psi warrior fighters make good archers?

[fossil hollow]

i dont see why not

[craggy summit]

They could. But I think battle master would be a better option because of more utility

Or arcane Archer if you want a good archer 😅

[gritty totem]

gives good movement options, protection and you can hit with more force potentially getting the enemy prone

[fossil hollow]

no

[eager marsh]

Nah arcane archer has conflicting stats. and battlemaster just has more uses of 'cool feature' per rest while staying good on dexterity, the archery stat

arcane archer is a 'cool in theory, rough in execution' subclass purely because of the intelligence requirement. because unlike EK, you cant ignore intelligence and still be fully effective

[meager fractal]

There's already a battlemaster fighter in the party and I don't want to step on their toes.

[eager marsh]

you're already a second fighter so a different subclass wont change that

your subclass is the smaller fraction of your power budget anyways

[limber trail]

Bear in mind Psi Warrior’s telekinetic strike has a range of 30ft so it’s not super ranged, maybe not as much as a full archer would usually want but definitely workable

[eager marsh]

basically, you're general playstyle will still be ranged combat preference, regardless of your subclass. any 'toe stepping' is just a mental placebo anyways.

[paper portal]

maybe if you were perhaps an expert with crossbows or something

[limber trail]

Crossbow expert doesn’t increase the range of your psionic strike class feature

[eager marsh]

i think they more meant you cant use psi warrior's feature beyond 30 ft so it ends up feeling more limited

[gritty totem]

heavy crossbow psi warrior to make the enemy move 20 feet and prone?

[paper portal]

yeah ik im just saying its a great ranged weapon thag can easily be used closer to enemies

[eager marsh]

any ranged weapon can be used within 30 feet however

[gritty totem]

or even 2 hand crossbows because the class doesn't limit your dice to just once per turn

[cobalt owl]

This is correct

[gritty totem]

and you can get advantage and slide someone across spike growth created by someone else

[burnt grove]

One Cultist Fanatic and three zombies.. is this too strong for a level 1 adventure party of 5 members I think I found the perfect introduction for my campaign I’m running for my friends but I’m nervous of a tpk

[limber trail]

I assume you’re talking 2014 here - 2024 does restrict it to once per turn.

[burnt grove]

2024

[gritty totem]

does it?

I can't seem to find it

[eager marsh]

because it doesnt

[slim cloak]

I wish the 3.5e Dragon Compendium wasn’t smotten for 5e 😔

[eager marsh]

you mean the draconomicon? the lore is still fair game

[limber trail]

Psionic strike “once on each of your turns, immediately after you hit a bla bla bla rest of the ability”

[gritty totem]

oh

[eager marsh]

ah we're all blind

[gritty totem]

didn't notice it

[limber trail]

I’m gonna be so real I definitely just noticed it which is real bad for me since I’ve played a psi warrior before

[gritty totem]

it's weird that it only limits this ability but I suppose balancing

[eager marsh]

except not really balance because battlemaster can pop damage adding maneuvers for every attack and they also recover all dice per short rest but psi warrior only gets 1 die back

[limber trail]

To be fair most of the class’s features are also once per turn, because they’re all reactions/bonus actions/actions

[eager marsh]

it's in a really weird spot balance wise vs battlemaster imo because you're being pressured to have high intel as well

[gritty totem]

almost every ability scales with int so it's also in a bit of a conflict like arcane archer

[eager marsh]

as opposed to BM who can just comfortably lean on strength or dex without any conflicting interests

[gritty totem]

and each of the saves you can choose either strength or dex whichever is higher

[eager marsh]

which is why BM has no issue. you can build either way. but if you put points to intelligence for psi warrior, you neglect your stats that do the other half of your combat (attack and damage rolls as a fighter)

[slim cloak]

Yea

[gritty totem]

for the psionic strike you have to hit someone, would be nice if it instead used int for hit dc

[eager marsh]

for the argument that increasing your int mod adds to the damage of psionic strike, you get +1 damage there. as opposed to the +1 damage and to hit on every attack instead by raising your str/dex instead

[rough basalt]

Battlemaster is the quintessential martial subclass

[eager marsh]

Battlemaster was supposed to be baseline fighter features

[rough basalt]

The uncontested king of martial subclasses 12 years running

[eager marsh]

open beta players were fools

[limber trail]

It’s a subclass that’s pretty good and has some really fun flavour, and its main issue is just that battlemaster is better.

[rough basalt]

Too much like 4e. Noo. We can't have martials with abilities. Noo.

[eager marsh]

Book of Nine Swords my beloved

[rough basalt]

Ngl I'm considering making some homebrew Paths to give martials powers

[limber trail]

I also really don’t mind when a subclass introduces an extra ability score you might want. Too many isn’t great of course but a fighter can easily spare an ability with their ASIs.

[lean wigeon]

we bring back comeliness

[limber trail]

Yes CR 30 kobold, you understand me completely

[eager marsh]

i dislike that argument for fighters. you're still setting them back. they only have 2 extra ASI and only 1 of them is early levels

[rough basalt]

So if I'm playing in my setting, Martials for example could take the Path of the Ancients feat line to get some rune magic flavored powers.

[umbral girder]

4th edition moment.

[rough basalt]

It's just too peak

[umbral girder]

It really is

[rough basalt]

I'd love to play some 4e

[frail wasp]

every edition we stray further from the true path
quietly sweeps the population numbers under the rug

[rough basalt]

But every post I see in the 4e discord is on days I run games.

[gritty totem]

but it would be really nice if the ability the subclass scales with is not only damage and dc

[rough basalt]

Tbh there's no real actual bad edition of dnd.

[umbral girder]

I know how to fix that, I'll run a 4e campaign on Wednesdays /jk

[eager marsh]

Hot Take: Bring back ASI and feats being separate from each other like in 3.5

[rough basalt]

Just bad editions for certain players.

[gritty totem]

because for the psi warrior to work you first have to hit the target to use it

[rough basalt]

Not a bad idea. Depending on how Wednesday turns out.

[eager marsh]

'oh but you can get a free prone effect at higher levels'
Yea ok Battlemaster has that built in, with a dc on their attack stat, and they can use it on every attack

[lean wigeon]

there's a bad edition and it's 3e heehee grins biggly :3

[dawn elk]

hey, anyone wanna see some homebrew i made?

[gritty totem]

sure

[eager marsh]

thats not even a hehe nobody plays 3e. 3.5 is cooler

[dawn elk]

one seocnd, polishing the writing

[rough basalt]

3e never existed

[eager marsh]

there is no 3e in D&D

[gritty totem]

there is no 3e in ba sing se

[rough basalt]

Went straight to 3.5e

[eager marsh]

thanks for sharing a brain cell

[gritty totem]

damn I have to rewatch that show, the movie made me remember why I loved it

[rough basalt]

Everyone knows the real dnd goes by a different name now.

And it's in its 2nd edition.

[lean wigeon]

yeah, Pathfinder 2nd Edition

[rough basalt]

I do wanna play 4e.

[eager marsh]

wish i knew people that would actually learn pf2 so I could play it

[rough basalt]

It's on my list

[cobalt owl]

Id 100% learn PF2E if I had the time

[rough basalt]

I need to get over my fear.

[eager marsh]

almost everyone I know/play 5e with barely knows 5e alone or refuses to learn it better as they are. they'd never handle pf2

[cobalt owl]

It also doesn't help my main player group is very math blind

[gritty totem]

a friend of mine wanted to make a pathfinder oneshot but he never got to it

[rough basalt]

If one of my campaigns falls through, ill run Pathfinder 2e on the day I run the game that fell through.

Which might be happening

[frail wasp]

I've bounced off of pf1e twice now and pf2e once

[gritty totem]

In my group I think I'm the one with the most knowledge on the rules and I want to include that in my campaign (my dm doesn't use half covers and difficult terrain in his maps) so I want to introduce that bit of combat flair to them

[frail wasp]

The last time I was at a table that tried, they switched to 5e after 10 min

[gritty totem]

damn

[gritty totem]

they couldn't handle the 3 actions per turn>

?

[frail wasp]

they didn't get through char creation

[rough basalt]

Me when I gotta use 3 actions (its the same as dnd but less strict)

[still plover]

Pathfinder is D&D for nerds. /hj

[rough basalt]

True.

[gritty totem]

I mean it was frightening when I first saw how many options for races there are, and how many different classes there are where

[cobalt owl]

I do like the 3 actions thing

[frail wasp]

We're doing stormlight RPG right now and the three actions in that is fine

[eager marsh]

which day?

[rough basalt]

It'd be either Monday or Wednesday but Wednesday is more likely.

[fossil hollow]

oh god the PF has invaded

[still plover]

You wanna check out Crab Truckers. You can play anything you like as long as you're a crab who is a trucker.

[fossil hollow]

spray bottle

[cobalt owl]

Crab rave

[eager marsh]

damn. i have a game on wednesday already

[rough basalt]

My Wednesday game is great but my motivation and creativity is bone dry like the land it's in.

[gritty totem]

enticing I must say

I've always wanted to be a crab who is a trucker

[rough basalt]

I give everyone at the table a 3 strike system. Including myself.

And when I hit 3 strikes I end the campaign.

[gritty totem]

3 strike system?

[still plover]

After three successful attacks, the game is done.

Straight into the epilogue. It's very dramatic.

[rough basalt]

It's why I use 5e.
With a 3 action system it'd be too easy.

[eager marsh]

Fighter with Action Surge and a Bonus Action attack approaching menacingly

[rough basalt]

Nah by 3 strikes I mean like a punitive system.

[gritty totem]

that I understood but what counts as a strike?

[rough basalt]

If I run a bad session I get 1 strike.

[gritty totem]

and what makes a bad session

[rough basalt]

Just a constant mess of issues, I'm not all there.

[gritty totem]

and how do players get strikes?

[rough basalt]

Yep

I'm exaggerating the fact that I'll end my campaign on 3.

[gritty totem]

I mean at least you say when the campaign ends beforehand

[vapid pawn]

Good very rare items for a cleric?

[cobalt owl]

Amulet of the devout +3

Basic, but always useful

[rough basalt]

Nah

I'm not a good enough gauge for time.

[gritty totem]

oh

[rough basalt]

Last time I tried a "10 to 12 session max" was 3 sessions.

[cobalt owl]

Lmfao

My players have taken surprisingly long to do stuff so my 5 session arc has become 15

[rough basalt]

I just won't continue campaigns if my hearts not in it.

Sometimes I just have negative spouts tho

[gritty totem]

I mean, my friend wanted to start a campaign but ended it after 3 sessions by tpking the whole party and saying he doesn't want it anymore

[cobalt owl]

Thats crazy

[rough basalt]

Like it's not that I wanna end any of my current games.

[gritty totem]

he later did the same thing not leaving the person who was going to dm after him any time to write his own campaign

[rough basalt]

But I try to be mindful

If I just can't muster the ability to keep running a campaign I'll look to end it.

[rotund talon]

Hi

[gritty totem]

hello

[rough basalt]

Tho the "3 strikes" for me are mostly if I just run bad session after bad session then better save everyone's time.

[gritty totem]

3 consecutive strikes

[rotund talon]

I'm new here, is there a general chat area? Where should I post this?

[rough basalt]

This is general chat

[rotund talon]

Oky

[loud tendon]

General D&D topics really..

[rotund talon]

How can I join a game and how can I play a game?

[gritty totem]

there is a channel at the bottom

[rough basalt]

#find-a-game
#dnd-newcomers

[rotund talon]

Thx

[vivid pelican]

Guys

I just made a campaign around irony

[gritty totem]

what could possibly go wrong

[vivid pelican]

So basically, in my campaign, you have to find the crystal of fear and then crystal of peace to make the crystal of destruction and when you defeat the final boss of the campaign, you are able to break the crystal and rid all evil from the world and reform Abbey back to its former glory (Abbey is the kingdom you play in btw)

[gritty totem]

I think I'm too dumb to see the irony here?

[cobalt owl]

The only thing I can think of is you bring the calamity by reuniting the crystals to destroy it. Kind of like how Megamind made his own superhero only for it to be a villain

[paper portal]

crystals are kinda like metal

theyre iron-y

[cobalt owl]

Vine boom

[vivid pelican]

So basically, the chapel is where you fight the final boss but a chapel is also the most holy thing and is supposed to be a symbol of peace but the irony is that the chapel is the most Evil since it houses the crystal of fear and also houses the final boss which is this demon lord guy

[dark basin]

Stop calling my minerals rocks.

[vivid pelican]

Rocks.

Is Karasu gaming actually gonna say something or just keep popping in and out

Do you get it or not?

[gritty totem]

Yes I got it, pretty fun idea as a subversion

The party can walk into the chapel at the start of the campaign and only learn at the end that the place was evil all along

Or they can be told throughout the campaign how holy that chapel is and no evil shall reside there and in the end that's where it resides

Anyways I'm going to sleep because I have to wake up tomorrow

[blazing mango]

Does anyone have tips how to play pugilist I just bought the book on dnd beyond and I’m confused how I should play it

[feral fulcrum]

Punch People. Pretty much the same as Monk.

[vague jolt]

For different ttrpgs are there different terms for a dm?

[odd valley]

yeah they’re usually called gms

[empty thicket]

if im not wrong, your tanking is more T.hp and some other stuff

[feral fulcrum]

Yes

[blazing mango]

Ok thank you @feral fulcrum and @empty thicket

[vague jolt]

Oh man I was hoping like each game had a new name like cyberpunk would be fixers and things connected to the world

[feral fulcrum]

Exalted for example, has Storyteller instead of DM.

[hot reef]

Many do set another term for it, GM is universal though

[feral fulcrum]

It's not really that uncommon, because plenty of systems are not focused on well...Dungeons.

[empty thicket]

Wish my dm let us do a dungeon someday

like, traps, puzzles, enemies rooms, etc. etc

I heard of some big dungeons where a party can found tons of things, a good example i can pull out now in day is dungeon meshi the anime

[cobalt owl]

I love Elder Tempest...

Im trying to find other godlike elementals that aren't just that tho

Or just big big elementals

[feral fulcrum]

You've got Scions and the top tier elementals like the Phoenix, Elder Tempest, the giant earth turtle thing, and Leviathan, that's pretty much it.

Elementals don't get much love.

And the Scions are more Giants then Elementals.

[cobalt owl]

I like elementals

[feral fulcrum]

I'd kill for something like Bigby's/Fizbans but for Elementals. Because boy do they need some love.

[cobalt owl]

I like them so much I have two characters that worship/have a big elemental involved with them

[cold mason]

So with 5.5e, why haven't we seen Tabaxis around? Are they going to be in a book soon. I'm currently been playing a Tabaxi before the rules change. Now the DM is trying to destroy my character due to no current rules on the species...

[cobalt owl]

2024 only table?

[feral fulcrum]

2014 Tabaxi works just fine in 2024. Beat your DM over the head with a newspaper and tell them that WOTC has repeatedly acknowledged that you can still use things from 2014 just fine.

[cold mason]

Not, entirely. We have someone who is now playing a Bearfolk monk...

[cold mason]

Are variant humans a thing in 5.5e, too?

[fossil hollow]

No

[cobalt owl]

no lmao

[fossil hollow]

All humans get an additional Origin Feat though

[lavish flame]

nah, Variant Human just became Human basically

I think they had data showing that Humans were basically never chosen in favor of the Variant Human

[cobalt owl]

A +1 to all stats is inferior to a free feat lmfao

Starting with mobile go brrrrr

[lavish flame]

Starting with Great Weapon Master or Sharpshooter or Heavy Armor Master was pretty unreal

[cold mason]

So, my Tabaxi and the Variant Human are the only original players left in the game. He adapted to the 5.5e near perfectly. My Tabaxi has no updates.

[paper portal]

almost as if one was almost the worst race and one was almost the best

[fossil hollow]

You can still use Tabaxi in a 5.5 game

unless your DM is specifically not allowing it

[cobalt owl]

Technically yes, but I think the situation is their DM is not allowing it

[paper portal]

yeah 5.5 is designed to be compatible with 5e

[cobalt owl]

Which is why I asked if this was a 2024 only table

[feral fulcrum]

If their DM is retroactively nuking Tabaxis just because they've not been reprinted yet... well I'm going to call them rather dumb.

[atomic kayak]

theres a reason its all still 5e

[cold mason]

It's technically not. But he's making my character look like King from Tekken...

[lavish flame]

If your Tabaxi is from Volo's Guide to Monsters, then they just get updated to the Tabaxi from Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse. Therr isn't a 5.5e Tabaxi update yet tho. We might get a Tabaxi 5.5 update in a future book, but nothing has been confirmed.

[cobalt owl]

Oh so its an aesthetic issue?

[lavish flame]

cheetah head on a human body?

[cobalt owl]

I think you should be allowed to decide how your characters look

Unless something big in game happens lmfao

[feral fulcrum]

It's distincly weird for a DM to decide how a players charecter looks all willy nilly. That's a Red Flag

[lavish flame]

Why on earth would your character change design due to a lack of an update for the species you chose

[hollow stone]

maybe it should be +2 in all stats... /j

[cobalt owl]

Now that would be very very good.

[cold mason]

So, we've been running "Journey Through the Radiant Citadel" as a campaign since before 5e changed. We've added other IPs into the world: Dune, From Dusk til Dawn, Brandon Sanderson's Stormlight/Cosmere, Magic the Gathering via Ajani Goldmane, Monty Python, and Cheech and Chong...

[gray hollow]

Hai people :3

[paper portal]

hewwo :3

[gray hollow]

How are you?

[fast latch]

Could you cast Prestidigitation on your teeth to effectively brush your teeth instantly?

[crystal star]

yes

well.. I guess RAW people and body parts arent objects unless they're severed... So only if you had dentures

[feral fulcrum]

You're entirely capable of cleaning yourself with Prestidigitation.

[fossil shuttle]

My DM doesn't make us worry too much about restrictions on non-combat cantrips and stuff like prestidigitation. If I want I can use it to help dry out the wagon after it rains or clean off the party before we go into town so we don't smell like trash. I also regularly use it to auto-spoil food for our Otyugh.

[strong wave]

Can someone link me the character creation channel

[fossil shuttle]

#character-discussion

[strong wave]

Thank you wolfram

[fossil shuttle]

No problem

[fast latch]

You have a pet OTYUGH?! Damn that’s cool

Before the campaign died my Rogue used to have a Mimic

And my Cleric used to have a Giant Venomous Snake blessed by Helm

Monty was Large size and his venom could do Poison or Radiant damage

[fossil shuttle]

His name is Gug. He was a random encounter during a night watch and my warlock made the mistake of feeding him a spoiled sandwich to try and get him to leave. On the bright side, he replaced the 2 goats that had either ran off or died. He also doesn't smell like death anymore because he doesn't live in trash anymore, we just tell the locals to leave their trash outside whatever towns we visit for him to eat.

[fast latch]

That’s nice of you

You’re giving the locals a free garbage disposal

I wonder, in a modern day campaign, could an Otyugh safely eat plastic?

[fossil shuttle]

I mean, they eat a lot of stuff that shouldn't be counted as edible, so maybe?

[fossil hollow]

theyve eaten worse shit

literally

[fast latch]

Poop is at least biological

Plastic is plastic

[fossil shuttle]

Considering I've seen Gug eat a monster that produced a liquid that completely withered organic matter on contact, I'd say they're probably fine.

If anything, it passes through them like corn

[strong wave]

What is an otyugh

[fossil hollow]

a monster that eats trash and has a huge maw and tentavles

https://www.dndbeyond.com/monsters/16973-otyugh

[cosmic roost]

Ready to play Dungeons & Dragons?

Visit #find-a-game for everything you need to start your search, including:

• Instructions for finding a game here on the server (including how to post in our #looking-for channels).
• Suggestions for finding a game outside of this server.
• Basic advice to help you in your hunt.

[strong wave]

Now that's what I call a hungry hungry hippo

[cobalt owl]

Dice people, how would you rate sharp edged resin dice?

Quality, rolling feel, rolling results and the whatnot

[fossil hollow]

owch

[fossil shuttle]

Consider my party's paladin has an obsidian d4 with a broken corner

[fossil hollow]

Obsidian? Not a very good material for a weapon

[paper portal]

its good against geologists

[calm stirrup]

Conspiracy theorists

[fossil hollow]

its a good distraction

the true weapon is the wooden bat

[paper portal]

exactly you understand me

[scenic zinc]

You mean glass isn't good for weapons? Someone should tell elder scrolls that

[limber trail]

Um I don’t think bats are wood

[fossil hollow]

Todd can go su-

[limber trail]

How would they fly

[fossil hollow]

How does a plane fly

[limber trail]

Oh

Bats are made of wood

I see

[fossil hollow]

how else would they float with the ducks and witches

[scenic zinc]

No. Ducks are.

And so are witches.

[fossil hollow]

Eyyyy

[heavy oyster]

Glass sword is peak weapon

[ripe nimbus]

at least obsidian weapons historically existed

[heavy oyster]

Imagine A glass sword That is stenched with so much blood Yet It never Broke in the hands of it user.

[fossil hollow]

not as the entire weapon though, only shards

[scenic zinc]

Historically I think they were used for arrowheads

[fossil hollow]

And those Central American clubs/swords

forgot the name

[scenic zinc]

Yeah. Though they were used for that weapon because of the fact that the glass would break off in the opponent

[lavish flame]

Macuahuitl!!!

[fossil hollow]

we love leaving shards of obsidian in our opponents

[scenic zinc]

Shrapnel, basically

[fossil hollow]

arent those war crimes now

[scenic zinc]

oh well ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[muted scarab]

(if i were to perhaps wish to post a game for people to join where might i perhaps perchance maybe place that? Not ready yet but getting there for my little passion project)

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[scenic zinc]

#looking-for-players

[muted scarab]

to no end annoyed that discord doesnt auto show all tabs, that was hidden for me ;-;

thank you!

[scenic zinc]

20 bucks it's inspired by brandon sandersons work

Unless your user name isn't a reference

[scenic zinc]

You should be able to go to channels & roles -> all channels and then click follow category on everything

[umbral girder]

Tastes fine, needs milk with it /jk

[limber trail]

….drown the bat?

[scenic zinc]

-# If new categories are created they won't automatically show to you though

[fossil hollow]

burn the bat

[onyx haven]

Best dice, big dice

[scenic zinc]

Weigh the bat & the duck, burn the witch if both weigh the same

[fossil hollow]

W-wuh

who are you so wise in the ways of science

[heavy oyster]

such wisdom.. I can't comprehend.

[scenic zinc]

I am Arthur, King of the Britons!

[ripe nimbus]

yes, an obsidian sword wouldn't work. but obsidian arrowheads and spikes on macuahuimeh (? don't know the plural) are fine

[fossil hollow]

indeed

[limber trail]

And is this before or after you weigh the heart and the feather

[ripe nimbus]

hehehe i got the plural right

[fossil hollow]

gotta keep Ammet fed

[scenic zinc]

Wrong continent/lore

[limber trail]

Expand your thinking. Simultaneous contradicting lore is the best lore

[fossil hollow]

weve been jumping from Europe to Aztec

[ripe nimbus]

(i have a very shallow knowledge of nahuatl because i thought it was just such a cool language when i was younger)

[scenic zinc]

iirc aztec wasn't actually even their name

[odd valley]

also i’m pretty sure that’s not aztec

[scenic zinc]

They called themselves the Mexica

[odd valley]

the heart and feather bit? that’s egyptian mythos

or at least i think it is

[fossil hollow]

there was another bit of the convo that was about the Mexica weaponry

[ripe nimbus]

well, a macuahuitl is absolutely aztec

[odd valley]

oh wait you make that point

[scenic zinc]

It is, and I'm sure he knows that. He was just saying we were jumping around already

[odd valley]

yeah he literally said gotta keep ammet fed

i can’t read rn my head kinda hurts

[fossil hollow]

dont worry, i gotcha

splits head open

[odd valley]

i think that’d cause more pain

[scenic zinc]

No more pain if dead

[odd valley]

you can just go clean right across the neck i think that’d be great

french revolution style

[fossil hollow]

I did just do that to a jackalwere as of this moment

[scenic zinc]

Which my characters in Ti's game know well seeing as he seems set on making me roll up a 4th character lol

[fossil hollow]

I dont know how youve died so many times

Im not targeting you, i swear

[scenic zinc]

Sure

[green jolt]

Hi

[scenic zinc]

-# I know, I'm just kidding

[ripe nimbus]

dying is fun!

[green jolt]

I just have a reminder of speaking English xd

[scenic zinc]

How many diamonds does our cleric have?

[fossil hollow]

no more

[scenic zinc]

lul

[fossil hollow]

i think

[green jolt]

I'm so new at dnd and this things of roll

[scenic zinc]

I honestly didn't even know they had one

Also pretty sure that '14 druid has you change your creature type so I doubly wouldn't have died to that

[fossil hollow]

yuh

[sleek cloud]

So

What’s everyone’s favorite wizard subclass and why

[ripe nimbus]

welcome!

[fossil hollow]

Chronurgy or Scribes

[ripe nimbus]

it's hard to beat diviner for fun moments...

but i dont play wizards, my fiancee does though

[green jolt]

Thanks

[limber trail]

I wanna play a graviturgy wizard

[scenic zinc]

People mostly like diviner when the dm allows their feature to function in a way that isn't RAW

aka potent happens before the roll not after.

[green jolt]

I'll say it on the other chat but i will do in this anyway if y'all don't care

[scenic zinc]

Graviturgy & Chronomancy should have remained as the singular thing, dunamancy.

[green jolt]

I am new at dnd and i'm from México so it's difficulty to learn to play at the same time of learn English

So i will try to keep mh besto

[sleek cloud]

I mean, I wouldn’t know why people wouldn’t just wait to use portent until after anyways, like what if you had a 5 portent and you used it on an enemy but they would’ve rolled a nat 1 anyways

Wasted portent

[scenic zinc]

Because that's not how the feature works

You have to say you're using it before they roll

You don't change their result. You determine their result with what you'd divined.

[sleek cloud]

Yep sure enough, says right there in the wording

Bg3 must’ve been screwing me up there

[scenic zinc]

The other way is a pretty common house rule I've seen, but it makes the feature too strong in my opinion

Similarly why I like the change for pwk they did for '24

Less meta-y.

[sleek cloud]

I like the take that the future you patron from valdas did, which was they get 1 d20 roll like a portent but the dm rolls it and they separately roll a d4 and on a 4 they lie about what the roll number was

[scenic zinc]

Valdas has a lot of game breaking things in it

So I'm not a huge fan of it

[muted scarab]

Yeah did that, just didnt think to do that at first and didnt see find players ;-;

[rough basalt]

Looking forward to getting my horror game started

Was gonna start it with a mystery, but now its gonna be a gauntlet.

[lavish flame]

same, everything I've heard about that book has reeked of third-party desperation. I often get the vibe that third-party designers feel the need to make their creations very potent so it gets eyes on it at all. Valda's feels like that through and through

[rough basalt]

I think the most fun third party book I've used as a player was Blackstaffs book of 1000 spells

It had a lot of fun spells in it.