dnd-discussion

[empty thicket]

then charisma, int and wisdom are mental ones

[wintry spindle]

charisma can also be physical if youre pretty enough

[knotty vine]

Then I was talking about making the ultimate monk using whatever rule set he was using

[empty thicket]

a nice face cant fight against someone with a charming way to talk

[knotty vine]

Face meet fist*

[empty thicket]

then yeah, a monk with all 18 would be dangerous, too much knowing they only need to rely on themselves

other martials kinda need equipment

sadly and fortunately

[knotty vine]

Not all 18 your strength int and charisma would all be 5

But your con wisdom and dex would be 18s

[empty thicket]

D...Damn...

so 3 stats 18 and 3stats are 5...

[knotty vine]

Pretty much the way they are running point buy

[wintry spindle]

Do you prefer point buy, standard array or roll?

[knotty vine]

Point buy or rolled

[empty thicket]

rolled most of the time, i like the luck
Point buy if i can try some risky stuff

[limber trail]

I find rolled (with some slight adjustments) to be more fun

[wintry spindle]

which roll rules do you go with?

[kind bramble]

Hate being split between character ideas. On one hand I have my high elf superiority complex sorcere with wild magic subclass as her whole flaw, she never trained to control her magic taking it for granted making it unstable and then there's the monk noblewoman (kinda inspired by scarlet from may I ask you one final thing) a noblewoman who loves punching people, especially arrogant nobles, who after beating up her betrothed because of an incident was told by her parents she needs some time.. away from... everyone so she doesn't cause more international incidents with her fists, she's elements subclass (also have a character that's eithe scribe or chronurgy wizard who is obsessed with adventure and learning new spells)

[empty thicket]

3 rolls, you can pick any of them for your Pc character.
Trying to pick the closest numbers to each other between the other teammates

[swift copper]

Is it weird to make dex based fighter?

[limber trail]

I use the following:

No matter what, minimum total of 72. (I roll digitally, and just manually set the minimum)
You get one reroll, but if you choose to use it, you have to take the new roll.

[wintry spindle]

No really it's very vaiable

[limber trail]

I've done it before. It's a ton of fun

[kind bramble]

Nah dex fighters can be fun. I have a fair share of them. from dueling style characters to duel wielding characters

[empty thicket]

So if we all got lets say 66/72/61/70
We would go with that, low stats
but if we got all above 80, we go all high stats.

[wintry spindle]

best way of making a ranged fighter is via dex

[knotty vine]

Yes

[swift copper]

I thinking of gladiator type of fighter with duel wielding swords wtyle

[empty thicket]

Nope, be free to use them and enjoy, dext have some funny weapons

[kind bramble]

what the ranger wished they could be. eldritch knight with a longbow xD

[wintry spindle]

Battlemaster fighter dex archer is a fun build

[empty thicket]

so a shortsword and a Scimitar? You can do like some european duelist and go a rapier // shortsword

[knotty vine]

Mark is that invincible

[empty thicket]

its finnese and have a lil higher dice ( 1d8)

and apply vex too

so first attack with it and then re attack with the other stuff

[swift copper]

I was thinking of 2 short swords actually. But can you make bonus action attack with them?

[wintry spindle]

do you play 5.5 or 5 ruless?

but yes it's light weapon so you can make a bonus attack with it with your off hand

[swift copper]

5 rules

[knotty vine]

You can

[swift copper]

It also my friend first ever dming so congrats her

[wintry spindle]

in 5.5 though we now have "nick" for certain weapons like scimitars that gives you this for free without expending bonus aciton

[swift copper]

I wanyed to make a human fighter. To make example that it quite easy to make basic things interesting

[knotty vine]

I hate the Nick prop because so many people don’t get it

[umbral girder]

Oof 2014 Fighter. Good luck.

[knotty vine]

It’s rough

[swift copper]

Also what archetype would i pick. Champion seems kinda boring

[wintry spindle]

get a magic weapon soon then if you play 2014 rules

[empty thicket]

its just one more extra attack, isnt it?

[knotty vine]

Not everyone can just get a magic weapon

[rose sable]

Nope, it is the same attack.

[empty thicket]

Champion is nice, solid most of the time
Battlemaster is funny in general
Banneret is the support fighter
Cavalier

[knotty vine]

“Well just buy a moon touched weapon” where are you gonna buy a moon touched wewpon!

[rose sable]

It just doesn't spend a bonus action

[wintry spindle]

Well 2014 really sucks as a martial if you run into monsters with non magic weapon resistences - that was though removed form most monsters in the new MM

[empty thicket]

yeah, just an extra attack that doesnt take your bonus action for it

so instead of doing only 2 attacks you could do 3

[rose sable]

No

[knotty vine]

Bannert fighter is trash

[swift copper]

I just wanna be gladiator type of fighter. Fighting in rome coliseum or simillar

[rose sable]

The extra attack can only be done once per turn

So the only advantage of Nick ia that it frees up your bonus action

[wintry spindle]

It's a nice additon for the rogue

[empty thicket]

its okey, its a " supportish" subclass in a martial so...

[rose sable]

So, ranger can cast Hunter's Mark and then two weapon fight I the same round

[knotty vine]

It’s not even okish it’s just plane bad

[empty thicket]

it wont be SO GOOD like a supportish caster//hybrid

[umbral girder]

Also it stacks very well with the Dual Wielder feat

[rose sable]

You do not get and "extra" extra attack

[knotty vine]

Dual wielder feat is meh

[umbral girder]

Because then you got 2 extra attacks

[knotty vine]

Not how dual wielder works

[umbral girder]

Helps play the fantasy of the dude with a bunch of little hits

[pulsar echo]

Has anyone ever had to deal with the Inevitable

[knotty vine]

Since you still don’t add your mods to the bonus action attack

[rose sable]

Dual Weilder is a mediocre feat

[knotty vine]

It just allows your off hand wewpon to be able to not have the light prop

[empty thicket]

lets make it easier for understand, i am in front of an enemy, i ATTACK.
lvl 5 fighter so i get 2 attacks at base.
In my turn, how much attacks i could do?

[knotty vine]

So it wouldn’t work with Nick at all

[rose sable]

3 attacks

[empty thicket]

Thanks.

[rose sable]

2 woth your main weapon, 1 with the off hand

[empty thicket]

• nick(?)

[rose sable]

NOOOO

Nick does not give you an extra attack

[knotty vine]

I don’t think Fran understand how Nick works either

[empty thicket]

Its what im trying. Can cool down?.

[knotty vine]

I’m cryin

[empty thicket]

Thanks.

[rose sable]

Nick makes it so that you do not need to spend your bonus action to make the extra attack you already had

[empty thicket]

Sorry for asking or some stuff ike that.

[wintry spindle]

if you action surge is it then 5 in total?

[rose sable]

No

[wintry spindle]

wdym?

[rose sable]

Wait

[knotty vine]

Explode violently

[rose sable]

Maybe yes

[limber trail]

Nick lets you make the bonus action of the light property as a part of the attack action, which frees up your bonus action and lets you use your bonus action on the dual wielder attack (which is a different attack).

[knotty vine]

You could get extra attack

[wintry spindle]

because you don't get an extra bonus action from action surge

[humble cairn]

Please refer to this link to learn how Nick works because it often confuses people: #character-discussion message

[knotty vine]

Thank you

But yeah the Dual Wielder feat is kinda trash too

It should have just had the fighting style built into it base imo

[limber trail]

For a whole feat... it's not the greatest

[empty thicket]

Thanks, because it seems that not being able to understand something well its object of laugh.

[knotty vine]

Do you think adding the fighting style would make it better?

Aka you get to add your modifier to the extra attack's damage

[paper portal]

? its a whole extra attack

[knotty vine]

That at max does like an extra d4 6 or 8

[wintry spindle]

Dual wielder just allows you to add your prof modifier

[rose sable]

The extra attack from the light property can only be made once per turn

Not once per action

[knotty vine]

wrong

[humble cairn]

No it does not. Please read the rules again: #character-discussion message

[rose sable]

Therefore, action surge cannot double the extra attack

[knotty vine]

It adds allows you to add your damage to the bonus action attack

[empty thicket]

Yeah, a whole extra attack with some classes its a lot
Ranger could proc one more time HM
Some fighter could reach that little damage left in the enemy to finally kill it
ETc. etc. etc.

[knotty vine]

Enhanced Dual Wielding. When you take the Attack action on your turn and attack with a weapon that has the Light property, you can make one extra attack as a Bonus Action later on the same turn with a different weapon, which must be a Melee weapon that lacks the Two-Handed property. You don't add your ability modifier to the extra attack's damage unless that modifier is negative.

[wintry spindle]

what am i thinking off?

oh righh not prof

[humble cairn]

Two Weapon Fighting Style

[wintry spindle]

yes

[empty thicket]

Defensive duelist is kinda goated isnt it?

[knotty vine]

The fact that it’s a whole feat is makes it kinda mid

[rose sable]

Defensive Duelist is one of the best feats

[empty thicket]

Even if it take your reaction, its a whole defensive thing with no limit of charges

[rose sable]

I would say, Mage Slayer is too

[humble cairn]

You get to add a whole other attack and it can be with a non-Light weapon. It's not bad, it's just not great by itself.

[knotty vine]

Needs work

Especially since it’s a +4 level feat

[rose sable]

It is bad

[knotty vine]

It’s ight

[humble cairn]

Which does get you a +1 to an ability.

[paper portal]

yeah it got a lot better in 24 with the big buffs to finesse weapons

[knotty vine]

Strength or dex

[empty thicket]

And with That Defensive duelist you could proc Riposte mane... damn... maneuver take your reaction already

[rose sable]

Compare it with a fighter with Dueling Style (shield and sword)

[knotty vine]

I’m on FIRE

That god I’m immune

[paper portal]

dpr calcs massively favour dual wielding which makes sense cus youre giving up a shield to do it

[rose sable]

That is a fallacy

People dual weird because it is cool.

[paper portal]

it is also higher damage though

[rose sable]

But it is not a good fighting style

[wintry spindle]

the DnD dilemma build your charachter because you find it cool or to make it vaiable gameplay wise

[rose sable]

Damage isn't everything. Durability is also important

[paper portal]

yeah i did say that

[knotty vine]

Wizard: both

[humble cairn]

Good think I can take advantage of TWF and Dual Wielding while also wearing a shield.

[paper portal]

juggling lol

[humble cairn]

Nope

[paper portal]

thri kreen?

[humble cairn]

Throwing weapons!

[empty thicket]

true, but there is no better durability than killing the enemy faster than it could damage you

[wintry spindle]

looking forward to the necromancer rework

[humble cairn]

As long as I throw my weapon away, my hand will be free to draw another weapon!

And neither twf nor Dual wielding actually care about "off" hand.

[empty thicket]

You can either tank 5 rounds or short it to 2//3 if dealt enough damage.
Depend of the situation mostly

[knotty vine]

Necromancer needed one

[rose sable]

Two weapon fighting requires many feats to work

You need two weapon fighting style

[humble cairn]

At base it requires a Weapon Mastery and that's about it.

[rose sable]

And you need the nick property

[humble cairn]

Right, Weapon Mastery.

[severe rampart]

Party had to surrender to the enemy, they are now in custody 😭

[empty thicket]

If you want it to be giga upgraded you need a fighting style and a feat
But the whole thing add a lot of numbers so... for something like a martial and being able to deal 1 more tic of damage

[rose sable]

Then you might want to get Dual Weilder

While a guy with sword and board doesn't really need anything for that to work

[empty thicket]

from 40 to 50 its a big difference
If you go something like champion where your critics have a 10% chance, welp

[rose sable]

+2 points to AC is crazy in a game with such a small range of AC

[empty thicket]

10 to 15

[rose sable]

That is just too good of an advantage to start with

[empty thicket]

and shieldmaster its goated

[rose sable]

Yeah

[empty thicket]

but fortunately, fighter would have that
Options at the end of the day

[rose sable]

So, weapon and shield is the best fighting style

With a difference

[empty thicket]

You can tank, do lots of range damage, big chunks of damage or many attacks

or you can go unar NO ONE GO UNARMED WITH FIGHTER!!

[knotty vine]

me starting with 18 ac

[rose sable]

Then, you can go two weapons. But you need to invest in it just to keep up with the others.

[rose sable]

That is exactly what I am saying

[empty thicket]

Cultist enemies throwing eldritch blasts

[knotty vine]

Natural armor is great

[rose sable]

Why is TWF so crap?

well, it goes way back

[knotty vine]

One reason I loved playing custom Linage was to get the unarmed fighting style for my monks

[rose sable]

in AD&D, yes I know I am old, TWF was the best there was

[empty thicket]

idk, im kinda sad of that one

[humble cairn]

You can twf and use a shield, so it's not like they're mutually exclusive.

[empty thicket]

because in one part, your options are javelins, daggers and maybe tridents
But if you miss and the situations is problematic, you will lose that weapons

[rose sable]

YOu need another light weapon to make the extra attack no?

[humble cairn]

Yeah, if you throw the weapon you can draw another one as part of your Attack Action in 2024.

[empty thicket]

if throwing weapon style was a +4 instead of +2 i would say its kinda okey

[humble cairn]

I use tridents and light hammers as my Paladin. It was very fun. Had a shield and threw three attacks. Could have been four with Dual Wielder, but I wanted to Smite.

[rose sable]

You need two light weapons to do the extra attack

[humble cairn]

Yeah, and if you throw your light weapon, you can draw another onw for the Light Weapon property.

[empty thicket]

A trident too but you would need a friendly artificer to get you some return weapon

[rose sable]

Throwing weapons isn´t really a viable option is it?

[knotty vine]

When you hit with your Unarmed Strike and deal damage, you can deal Bludgeoning damage equal to 1d6 plus your Strength modifier instead of the normal damage of an Unarmed Strike. If you aren't holding any weapons or a Shield when you make the attack roll, the d6 becomes a d8.

At the start of each of your turns, you can deal 1d4 Bludgeoning damage to one creature Grappled by you.

[humble cairn]

If you have Nick Mastery it is part of your Attack Action.

[rose sable]

But you can only draw 1 as a free action

[empty thicket]

What are your options of weapons and way to play them?

[knotty vine]

Through I think it’s stuck to strength now?

[humble cairn]

They are! It does help if you have stuff that adds damage to every hit, like Radiant Strikes form Paladin 11.

[rose sable]

so you are stuck with in the first round

and 2 in the second round

[humble cairn]

You can draw a new weapon with each attack as part of your Attack Action in 2024.

[knotty vine]

Nvm it can use either or

[rose sable]

YOu can only draw one weapon as a free action

[empty thicket]

wait, light prop wont let you draw and attack?

[rose sable]

No

[rose sable]

You can do that ONLY ONCE PER TURN

[rough basalt]

You can draw weapons as part of an attack as long as you're only stowing one for it.

[empty thicket]

it was thrown prop, mb

[humble cairn]

Read the 2024 rules, the Attack Action lets you draw or stow with each attack in the Attack action

[knotty vine]

Granted using unarmed fighting with monk back then was almost needed

[rough basalt]

Unless you have Dual Wielder then you can stow two

[humble cairn]

Hold on, I'll get the rules linked.

[empty thicket]

"If a weapon has the Thrown property, you can throw the weapon to make a ranged attack, and you can draw that weapon as part of the attack. If the weapon is a Melee weapon, use the same ability modifier for the attack and damage rolls that you use for a melee attack with that weapon."

so in theory, i would be able to draw 4 daggers and throw them

[rough basalt]

Yes

[empty thicket]

same with javelins and spears

[knotty vine]

Dio build

[rough basalt]

Assuming you're throwing them and drawing them as you're throwing them.

[rose sable]

mmmh, ok I had missed that in the Thrown Weapon description

[empty thicket]

And if you add Sap mastery you would be able to apply disadvantage on enemies

[rose sable]

still, you can run out of weapons quite easily

[empty thicket]

its why i said daggers, cheap and easy to carry lots of them

[rough basalt]

Throwables are very cheap tbh

[empty thicket]

but with tridents and spears there is some lil problems

[rough basalt]

But yeah returning weapons are a must to avoid annoyances.

[knotty vine]

monk starting with 4 daggers

[empty thicket]

If you have one that you Yes or Yes want it back

[rose sable]

Not my bag sorry

you can´t carry as many daggers as arrows for instance

for level 1 characters it is going to be a problem

[knotty vine]

Not how carrying works

[rough basalt]

Daggers are very light.

[knotty vine]

They exist on your body but as long as you can carry them

[rose sable]

So, as I was saying, in AD&D TWF was extremely good. 1 extra attack every round, no drawbacks

[humble cairn]

Attack Action rules: "You can either equip or unequip one weapon when you make an attack as part of this action. You do so either before or after the attack. If you equip a weapon before an attack, you don’t need to use it for that attack. Equipping a weapon includes drawing it from a sheath or picking it up. Unequipping a weapon includes sheathing, stowing, or dropping it."

[rose sable]

then since 3rd edition Wizards has been trying to nerf TWF one way or the other

[humble cairn]

In 2024 you can draw or stow a weapon with each attack in the Attack Action.

[empty thicket]

true, but you dont need that much daggers
Or the idea would be throwing the 4 daggers to an enemy and run to it to pick them up
If not return or if i dont remember bad there was a magic item that give you 2 magic daggers that dissapear after used and recharge

[rough basalt]

2024 dual wielding is pretty damn good

[knotty vine]

Dio build

[severe rampart]

Oh boy, looks like it's a court session next session

[empty thicket]

thrown prop give you a free draw too with each weapon

[empty thicket]

like poison?

Nerf it so badly until the point that no one even take it like a real option....

[rose sable]

yep+

[empty thicket]

Sadge

[rough basalt]

Poison is in a weird placein 5.5e

[severe rampart]

So uhh... how do you exactly plan a court session?

[rough basalt]

The poisons are not worth using, but poison damage itself is good against over 3/4ths of the Monster Manual

[empty thicket]

now i cant remember this magic item that give you 2 daggers

[rough basalt]

But DMs only use the remainder that are immune to poison 9/10

[humble cairn]

So, like I said. I used twf on my Paladin with basically nothign but Weapon Mastery and it worked fine. Had a shield on the whole time, too. And the extra damage from Radiant Strikes made it worth it even without the Two Weapon Fighting Style since I took Defense.

[empty thicket]

Poisoner existing for less of 20 enemies is criminal

Pierce resistance, yeah, when? 🥀

[rough basalt]

The fact nearly 400 of the 500 enemies in the MM aren't immune but majority of dms use the 112 that are nearly exclusively is more annoying to me imo

[knotty vine]

Because it’s funny

[rough basalt]

Nah its usually cause its easy

You don't need to come up with reasons to mindlessly slaughter undead, constructs or fiends

[empty thicket]

Yep

[knotty vine]

Elementals

Some versions any how

[empty thicket]

But in other way, wont deny that when a DM use the other many kinds, more humanoids and stuff like that poison can be giga useful

and the story too

[rough basalt]

Yeah but its an uncommon to rare occurrence

[knotty vine]

I like to set themes for what players are gonna fight

Like if you see one fiend it’s most likely gonna be humanoids and fiends

[rose sable]

NO, you need to read several things to understand one thing. Unfortunately, 2024 is like that

[rough basalt]

It's a wonder of nature when the average dm uses a humanoid or humanoidlike (other than goblins at level 1 and 2) or a dragon or something

[rose sable]

The attack action is one but then you need to go to the Utilize action where it says

[empty thicket]

Yeah, going against the evil bad old people kicker necromancer is funny
But trying to dismantle a whole plan from a human who had to see his whole kingdom slaughtered and betrayed by the monsters he once took like refugees and helped them, making his way up through sacrifices and becoming a ruthless general. Once a kind king.

[knotty vine]

Me when bg

There’s literally a half orge

DMs don’t use plenty of monsters

[lethal bobcat]

wait am I missing something or can you start level 1 with 24 AC without effort if you just have Shield and Bark Skin?

[knotty vine]

Oozes giants PLANTS

[rough basalt]

Bark skin is a 2nd level spell

[lethal bobcat]

oh right... I forget that sometimes during character creation

[knotty vine]

Bark skin doesn’t stack with other things

[lethal bobcat]

it doesn't work with hard +AC?

[knotty vine]

It just sets your ac to 16

[rough basalt]

that too, it sets your AC to a static number

[rose sable]

Utilize
PHB'24
p377
You normally interact with an object while doing something else, such as when you draw a sword as part of the Attack action. When an object requires an action for its use, you take the Utilize action.

so, drawing a weapon is also Utilize

then

ufff

[knotty vine]

Hm interesting

[rose sable]

you need to go to page 19 to read:

[lethal bobcat]

aren't a shield and shield both adding AC? shouldn't Bark Skin work like a piece of armor or the barbarian feat?

[rose sable]

Interacting with Objects
p19
Interacting with objects is often simple to resolve. The player tells the DM that their character is doing something, such as moving a lever or opening a door, and the DM describes what happens. Sometimes, however, rules govern what you can do with an object, as detailed in the following sections.

[rough basalt]

No, cause of how barkskin works

[knotty vine]

No bark skin is just a flat number

And you can’t stack shields

[rose sable]

sorry, wrong text

Time-Limited Object Interactions
p20
When time is short, such as in combat, interactions with objects are limited: one free interaction per turn. That interaction must occur during a creature's movement or action. Any additional interactions require the Utilize action, as explained in "Combat" later in this chapter.

SO, you cannot draw unlimited weapons

[knotty vine]

I knew that was the case

[lethal bobcat]

it's either your shield or the spell? may I ask where that's in the ruling?

[rose sable]

I would say that Thrown Weapons are not the exception

[knotty vine]

Yes, you can use a shield while under the effects of Barkskin in D&D 5e, but it often provides no additional benefit. Barkskin sets your minimum Armor Class (AC) to 16. If your base AC + shield is 16 or lower, your AC becomes 16; if your AC + shield is 17 or higher, you use that higher number

[lethal bobcat]

bark skin I get though that was confusing for sure to interpret it like that

[knotty vine]

Bark skin doesn’t stack with anything

[lethal bobcat]

well Bark Skin is "Armor Class of 17" so that's a bit difficult to beat

[rose sable]

a somewhat crappy spell

[lethal bobcat]

but damn

[rose sable]

you could easily get to 17

[knotty vine]

It’s mainly used for Druids while shape

[rose sable]

if you are a guardian Druid

[slender mason]

you can always draw a Thrown weapon when you attack with it

[knotty vine]

Since you can still concentration on spells

[slender mason]

if you have the hand free

[rose sable]

no, drawing a weapon is still a Utilize Action. you only get one of those free per turn

[severe rampart]

I am so excited to host a corrupt courtroom case in D&D

[slender mason]

Specific Beats General

[rose sable]

So yes, you can draw it as part of the action but you can only do it once per turn

[limber trail]

always a fun one

[slender mason]

you also get one draw per attack

as per the SRD

[rose sable]

Time-Limited Object Interactions
p20
When time is short, such as in combat, interactions with objects are limited: one free interaction per turn. That interaction must occur during a creature's movement or action. Any additional interactions require the Utilize action, as explained in "Combat" later in this chapter.

if you read utilize it also includes drawing a weapon

[rough basalt]

Equipping and Unequipping Weapons. You can either equip or unequip one weapon when you make an attack as part of this action. You do so either before or after the attack. If you equip a weapon before an attack, you don’t need to use it for that attack. Equipping a weapon includes drawing it from a sheath or picking it up. Unequipping a weapon includes sheathing, stowing, or dropping it.

[rose sable]

so, yes, you can draw a weapon once per turn

for free I mean

but if you draw another you need to spend an action

[lethal bobcat]

just checking to make sure I didn't cheat even more though, under Moon Druid features is

Until you leave the form, your AC equals 13 plus your Wisdom modifier if that total is higher than the Beast’s AC.

Beast's AC is otherwise the same as base AC you get from armor right? so Shield actually works?

[limber trail]

Which ruleset are you referring to?

[rose sable]

2024

the thing is that you need to read in several places to get the whole thing

[slender mason]

2024 is one per attack during the Attack Action, +1 from the Free Interaction

[rose sable]

you need to read Attack Action, Utilize Action and then page 19

[knotty vine]

You can’t even cast shield IN wild shape

[slender mason]

and Thrown goes over that limit anyway, as an exception

allowing you to draw for BA attacks as long as you're doing a ranged attack

[rose sable]

I would argue not

[knotty vine]

Unless your level 18 was it?

[slender mason]

it's literally what Thrown says

[lethal bobcat]

not what I asked

[rough basalt]

Then thats a you problem.

[slender mason]

Exceptions trump general rules

[rose sable]

it also says that in attack action

[knotty vine]

What are you asking then?

[rose sable]

but you need to read it all to get the full picture

[slender mason]

Thrown is the most specific property here

[lethal bobcat]

if it does give +AC

[slender mason]

as it only applies to specific weapons

[knotty vine]

Does what give Ac?

[lethal bobcat]

Shield

[knotty vine]

A normal shield?

[lethal bobcat]

while transformed

[knotty vine]

No why would it?

[lethal bobcat]

the spell, like you assumed my level of

[rose sable]

assuming your form can weild a shield yes

[knotty vine]

You can’t don/doff armor while wild shaped

[lethal bobcat]

wait so when does Shield apply? if you have no armor on you?

[rose sable]

so, you are probably limited to some form of primate

[knotty vine]

What shield are you talking about

[slender mason]

the spell

[lethal bobcat]

the spell... the one you assumed I meant when saying "You can’t even cast shield IN wild shape"

the one we were talking about when talking about Bark Skin

[rose sable]

f you could cast it, then yes, it stacks with wild shape

[slender mason]

if you're level 18 and have it through Magic Initiate or something

[knotty vine]

Bark skin works in wild shape but it doesn’t stack cause flat ac

[rose sable]

if you are a level 18 druid, who acquired Shield via some mean like a feat, then yes. Shield stacks

[knotty vine]

That works yeah

[lethal bobcat]

ok thank you

just checking but am I generally hard to follow or understand?

[knotty vine]

A bit

[lethal bobcat]

fair then

[slender mason]

everyone is just talking in circles

[knotty vine]

You just keep saying shield and not which one

[slender mason]

Shield just needs to be clarified from a shield, tbh

[knotty vine]

Uagh

Turn into a skeleton now

[limber trail]

The utilize action actually excludes things like drawing a swords, stating it's specifically a part of the attack action. The utilize action, in its text, specifies that it's specifically for objects which require an action to use.

I understand what you're implying but it's not true to the wording of the action. If you could only draw or stow one weapon as a part of the attack action, it'd specify that you can only draw or stow a weapon once per turn. The wording of the attack action is that when you make an attack w/ the attack action, you can equip or unequip one weapon. No mention of the amount of times per turn you can do this, just once per attack.

[lethal bobcat]

when the "no you can't cast it" was said, I did hope that meant I was clear enough oops

[severe rampart]

Yup! I need some advice!

[slender mason]

the SRD also supports this

[rose sable]

No, utilize action specifically INCLUDE drawing a sword as an example

Utilize
PHB'24
p377
You normally interact with an object while doing something else, such as when you draw a sword as part of the Attack action. When an object requires an action for its use, you take the Utilize action.

[severe rampart]

Ended the session, party got arrested, all magic items and weapons confiscated, court trial next session

[rose sable]

so drawing a sword is Utilize Action

[limber trail]

That's saying that normal object interactions like drawing swords fall under other actions, and that the utilize action is specifically for using a sword.

[slender mason]

"Normally, X is true. In cases where it is not, use Utilize" is what that says

[rose sable]

Then you need to read page 19

Time-Limited Object Interactions
p20
When time is short, such as in combat, interactions with objects are limited: one free interaction per turn. That interaction must occur during a creature's movement or action. Any additional interactions require the Utilize action, as explained in "Combat" later in this chapter.

if drawing a sword is utilize action, and you only get one fre interaction per turn then you can only draw one weapon per turn

examples of free interaction are drawing a sword or equiping a thrown weapon

you only get one of them per turn

you cannot draw or equip an unlimited number of weapons per turn

[limber trail]

Drawing a sword isn't utilize action though. The utilize action description specifies it's a part of the attack action. It's not a free interaction in and of itself - the action it takes is the attack action.

[rose sable]

YES IT IS

it says so explicitely

drawing a sword is Utilize action

[slender mason]

it's not unlimited, it's equal to the number of attacks you have per turn

[limber trail]

The text of the utilize action quite literally says "You normally interact with an object while doing something else, such as when you draw a sword as part of the Attack action. "

[rose sable]

Time-Limited Object Interactions
p20
When time is short, such as in combat, interactions with objects are limited: one free interaction per turn. That interaction must occur during a creature's movement or action. Any additional interactions require the Utilize action, as explained in "Combat" later in this chapter.

[limber trail]

You've posted it three times

[rose sable]

because people aren´t read ing it

[slender mason]

The action now allows you to equip or unequip one weapon with each attack you make with the action.

The SRD on The Attack Action

[fossil hollow]

you might want to read the attack action

[rose sable]

I also pasted that

you need to read 3 paragraphs in the book to understand

[limber trail]

That's not relevant because drawing a sword uses the attack action. The attack action isn't just making the attacks - it also includes drawing weapons.

[humble cairn]

Read the attack action rules I linked here again: #dnd-discussion message

[rose sable]

I already read the attack action rules

[humble cairn]

When you take the Attack Action you can draw or stow a weapon for EACH attack.

[rose sable]

and if you stop at that it would seem that you can draw or equip one weapon per attack

but

[fossil hollow]

specific beats general

[slender mason]

We've given you supporting quotes and rulings from the developers

[rose sable]

if you read further in the extracts I pasted above. you will see this is only meant to be 1 per turn

[fossil hollow]

meant? no

[limber trail]

The attack action specifically applies an exception where it allows additional object interactions (which is drawing a weapon) for each attack.

[slender mason]

the SRD says one per attack

[rose sable]

free interactions

[fossil hollow]

thats assuming a lot from the devs lol

[slender mason]

in plain english

[humble cairn]

That is in addition.

[rose sable]

because you you only read one paragraph

[humble cairn]

No, go ask #dnd-rules

[rose sable]

those 3 paragraphs together mean you can only have 1 free interaction per turn

[slender mason]

which is a different thing to your normal drawing as part of the Attack Action

[humble cairn]

Nope. Please go ask #dnd-rules if you don't believe me.

[slender mason]

(we need a pinned link to the SRD here because I don't think I can post it myself)

[humble cairn]

The draws and stows from the Attack Action are in addition to the one free one per turn.

[slender mason]

the free one is mostly for Casters because True Strike doesn't let them draw at all

and other similar spells

[limber trail]

Drawing your sword as a part of the attack action doesn't use your free object interaction, because it's already using your attack action to do so.

Specific beats general. The attack action overrides the general rule, (the general rule being that you can normally only draw a weapon once on your turn). See PHB Chapter 1, Rhythm of play "Exceptions supersede general rules".

[humble cairn]

Anyway gtg to bed, chat please help wunderbar.

[slender mason]

obviously Martials can benefit too

[limber trail]

"When an exception and a general rule disagree, the exception wins. For example, if a feature says you can make melee attacks using your Charisma, you can do so, even though that statement disagrees with the general rule." pretty aptly summarises the interaction here between the attack action, utilize action, and free object interactions, which is that a general rule is presented (you can only draw one weapon per turn, using your object interaction) and then it's overriden by the specific rule (when you take the attack action, you can draw or stow one weapon with each attack you make)

[fiery nimbus]

Now can we talk about Disarming action, because at this point im half convinced i dream it up and it doesnt actually exist

[limber trail]

Iirc it's not a real action someone can take. A DM might allow it, but that'd be optional - iirc you need spells and features like command or disarming strike to do it.

[fiery nimbus]

So i did dream it up, shame since its a very effective anti caster tool

honestly i wish it was real since it actually incentivises casters to not stand in the melee range

[slender mason]

the main incentive is disadvantage on ranged attacks

and attacks of opportunity when they try to step away

[limber trail]

Also getting hit, risks of counterspell, etc. At higher levels those start to fall away of course

[cerulean monolith]

Doesn’t exist, but in 2024 it is explicitly RAW for a player to Improvise an action; that is, describe something they could reasonably do as an Action, and let the DM decide if it’s possible and how to determine if it succeeds

[tall forge]

, i think its really funny how the TV show invincible has brought up the talk about powerscaling so much that it got some dnd youtubers i watch to talk about it

Bc yeah, dnd powerscaling is real wonky

[atomic kayak]

Lore vs mechanics are very different things

[limber trail]

DnD kind of has an okayish system for power scaling because there’s numbers you can point to to at least vibe check it. I don’t think it’s remotely as bad as invincible’s power scaling is. That said I’d love to hear more on it

[tall forge]

But they also should compliment eachother, not detriment eachother

But unfortunately i don’t know an actual solution to it

[tall forge]

The basic one everyone brings up is the Terrasque

In RAW, they suck

[limber trail]

That’s probably a fair example

[tall forge]

But another basic answer is how the players get so insanely strong and are “the only ones who can save the world”

Or just how some statblocks are insanely underwhelming or overwhelming compared to their lore

Most of these really come up for 2014, i dont know enough about 2024

And yeah, its sorta a consequence of the gamey-ness of dnd

[limber trail]

This isn’t a rebuttal so much as an aside, and it’s also based on 2024 as that’s what I and my circle exclusively play.

I will say, a lot of the people who talk about the tarrasque being easily beatable by an aaracokra at level 1 is ignoring the fact that the aarakocra can’t actually meaningfully stop the tarrasque. A tarrasque can cover something insane like 240ft a round, with a base move speed of 60ft. That aarakocra might be able to kill the tarrasque if it was standing still, the challenge of the tarrasque is that it’s gonna do so much destruction before you get a chance to bring it down

That’s really to me the end boss of white room arguments, is being able to admit that a tarrasque would not be entirely and completely countered by an aarakocra with a longbow and that it’s by no means a won fight

[tall forge]

Absolutely and i do agree with you, but the fact that it CAN do it

[limber trail]

Oh I agree it’s a total oversight that they don’t have a ranged attack and if I ever run one I will be rectifying that

[fiery nimbus]

Well when it comes to DnD, the problem with power scaling would be spell casting
since its way weaker than you would think

[tall forge]

Yesnt

The outcomes of tearing a rift in spacetime to destroy the core of a dragon dealing like, 60 damage is def underwhelming

[limber trail]

I see that less as a reflection of the spell and more a reflection of the dragon

[tall forge]

Letting the martials keep up tho, is even harder

And i love martials

[limber trail]

It can withstand the spells that tear through mortals. Just like it can tear through mortals. It can lay low trained soldiers in a single breath

[fiery nimbus]

like you have an earthquake spell... that leaves no lasting damage since the effect of the spell returns everything to normal after like 30s

Very few of the spell effects are actually pernament

[cerulean monolith]

I’d consider killing someone pretty darn permanent

[tall forge]

Well

About that…..

[cobalt owl]

Theres killing and then theres killing

[fiery nimbus]

... its DnD, do you really consider death pernament

[cerulean monolith]

For the enemies? Sure

[tall forge]

Powerscaling issue moment again

[slender mason]

John the Bandit is gonna come back as the BBEG

[tall forge]

But eh, it’s on the level of pheonix downs ig

[slender mason]

Phoenix Downs only work for the people that bought them

[tall forge]

My b, didnt know my feathers understood the nature of capitalsm

[slender mason]

(or 0HP is just down but not dead, and the enemies finish you off when everyone is down I guess)

[slender mason]

ignore the times you gain a new party member and they still work on them /s

[tall forge]

Ofc the answer to the revival problem is just make diamonds super rare

Or at least, diamonds of that value

And also mortal injuries which cannot be revived

[rough basalt]

The answer to Level 1 Aaracockra is the 2024 Tarrasque

If they wanna be within range to hit it from the air, they need to be at least 150ft to have any moderate chance of doing anything

which the '24 Tarrasques aoe roar is a 150ft cone

Roar, one dead birdie

cause itd have to roll min damage on a 12d12 to down a level 1 pc, let alone kill them outright

[slender mason]

"you are Deafened, but surprisingly not Frightened, because you're dead."

[rough basalt]

And uh, that little birdie ain't passing a DC:27 Constitution Saving Throw unless he has at least Bless casted on him and has con save prof.

And even if by some miracle he saved and the Tarrasque rolled min damage.
The Tarrasque has a burrow speed.

It also has resistance to BPS damage so you're doing at most 9 or 10 damage on the .25 chance you hit it if you stay out of range and fire at disadvantage.

It was funny cause Perkins even directly addressed this during the 5.5e core rules interviews before they released saying "you know the level 1 Aarakocra with a bow thing? Good luck."

[short brook]

Is the tarrasque too weak for CR30? I always hear that tossed around

[rough basalt]

The 2014 one was.

[short brook]

ah ok, new one better then I assume

[rough basalt]

By a landslide.

The Tarrasque has a history in dnd of being an actual walking calamity you should never fight

But 5es Tarrasque, they didn't wanna hurt the PCs.

Like most of the '14 MM, it was designed to be a helpless punching bag that the dm should know how to make otherwise.

It'll certainly keep its spot in history as the Tarrasque that needed homebrew to make it dangerous to the players.

[short brook]

sheesh

i never really looked at it's statblock tbh

[rough basalt]

Cause the one way to run the '14 Tarrasque was to just have it slaughter NPCs while the players flew high above it so society would paint the heroes as cowards and put the blame on them.

[vagrant notch]

If a player found a dead tortle shell and want to turn it into a shield, in your perspective how many AC that can be applicable to that shield

[rough basalt]

Like most '14 monsters, it didn't have a ranged attack

[fair summit]

I'd probably just let them turn it into a normal shield. Just turtle themed 😛

[rough basalt]

In older editions it didn't but it had several other things going for it.

Such as needing a Wish spell to have a chance to kill it permanently

Regeneration of HP

[vagrant notch]

+2 then alr thx mate

[rough basalt]

4th Edition Tarrasque had Earthbind Aura

Which was a permanent aura around it that forced fliers into range of it.

[vagrant notch]

Anyway does tarrasque have a counterspell?

[rough basalt]

It's not an intelligent being capable of spellcasting

However, it has a carapace that can reflect spells at the caster

[short brook]

earthbind is pretty cool

[rough basalt]

Yeah it was the biggest effect in 4th edition

I consider it the most "based" Tarrasque.

Cause the 4e design team was like "Alright no more wish to kill it. But yall are never flying above it either."

[short brook]

you had to fight it huh, yeah thats really cool

[rough basalt]

When they made 5.5e they realized what MCDM realized about 5e

[buoyant frost]

My bard is going to teach goblins how to use glitter and give it to them

[rough basalt]

"4e fixes this"

[knotty vine]

Judgement

[rough basalt]

So the 5.5 Tarrasque has a legendary action that let's it move up to its speed and cause all fliers within a 60ft emanation of it to drop prone.

It also forcibly ends caster concentration.

[slender mason]

speaking of Tarrasque

[knotty vine]

It does what now?

[slender mason]

you can make a fake one with Major Image right? 4x4 is 20ft

obviously it won't attack, but would make an amusing distraction

[knotty vine]

When the Tarrasque get that ability

[rough basalt]

In the real 5e

5e definitive editon

[knotty vine]

What are you talking about

[rough basalt]

5.5 Tarrasque

[short brook]

it has climbing speed too, that's a terrifying thought '

[knotty vine]

The 2024 monster manual?

[slender mason]

World Shaking Movement

[short brook]

yes

[rough basalt]

World-Shaking Movement. The tarrasque moves up to its Speed. At the end of this movement, the tarrasque creates an instantaneous shock wave in a 60-foot Emanation originating from itself. Creatures in that area lose Concentration and, if Medium or smaller, have the Prone condition. The tarrasque can’t take this action again until the start of its next turn.

So not just fliers but anyone within 60ft

[slender mason]

amusingly this would mean a nearby Titan spits up whatever it has swallowed

if they print as in UA

[knotty vine]

Interesting

[rough basalt]

Yet another 4e W

[knotty vine]

I mean unless they have a hover speed

[rough basalt]

Which hover speed ain't as common as just fly speed

[knotty vine]

Broom of flying:

[short brook]

I'm genuinely curious how big the tarrasque is, because i definitely feel some monsters are much bigger than they appear

[knotty vine]

Can’t really prone it since it’s not a creature

[rough basalt]

Admittedly if you're within the range for World-Shaking movement you're in the range of its Roar

[rough basalt]

50ft tall

70ft long iirc.

[knotty vine]

They also gave it prof in every saving throw

[rough basalt]

It also has a burrow speed so if you just fly above it, it can just go underground.

[knotty vine]

So it’s more likely to succeed

[short brook]

it looks like it's much bigger than 50 ft though in the art tbh

[slender mason]

4x4 minimum, possibly bigger

[short brook]

true

[knotty vine]

You underestimate how big 50tt tall is

[short brook]

Maybe?

[slender mason]

the 24 MM doesn't say specifically per creature

[knotty vine]

Lore suggest is the best we got

[rough basalt]

Keep in mind the Tarrasque sort of walks like a T-Rex so it is hunched down a lot.

[knotty vine]

I do remember that in 5e the biggest creatures that players can fight are the Scions

The strongest and tallest one being 80ft tall

[onyx haven]

The artwork looks way bigger than 50ft tall lol

[rough basalt]

Perspective also.

[knotty vine]

The scion of storm was it?

[rough basalt]

Artists rendition

[knotty vine]

Scion of Stronmaus

[rough basalt]

But yeah 50ft tall, 70ft long according to lore.

[short brook]

I'm not even gonna lie, i really do love the tarrasque as a monster. It has such a cool title too, The Shape of Calamity

[knotty vine]

I prefer the Scions of the gods

Or the greatwyrms

[rough basalt]

Artists rendition typically makes them look bigger than they are.

When really they're about as big as a Brachiosaurus or something.

[knotty vine]

Tarrqause are just really fat dinosaurs

[rough basalt]

Move like T-Rex's so they're hunched down too.

[knotty vine]

Both being said to rival gods

[rough basalt]

Monsters like those and the Tarrasque are a bit of a pain.

[knotty vine]

In there own perspective

[rough basalt]

Cause if you wanna run one lore accurate size, you need a giant map which can be too much for most peoples PCs or tables.

[knotty vine]

I like that the greatwyrms and Scions are each a two phase boss fight

[rough basalt]

Yeah they were made when they were doing 2 phase monster testing.

[onyx haven]

Nothing to get the blood pumping than "Now what about phase 2?"

[knotty vine]

You beat the first phase

Now onto phase two!

[rough basalt]

I still use Mythic Actions for my HB monsters

[onyx haven]

With more mechanics!

[rough basalt]

I like them.

[knotty vine]

Mythic actions are so awesome

Really drives home just how “epic” of a boss you are fighting

Kinda sad that Bigby’s and fizbans are the only two phase boss monsters we got

[rough basalt]

Like the highest CR unit for one of my HB monster groups has a Mythic Phase called Runic Rage where they get improved actions and spellcasting which I find cool.

Theros was when they were made so there's a couple in there too

[knotty vine]

Is there?

[rough basalt]

The God enemy statblocks. (3 of them)

Like Tromokratis, the Kraken God.

[knotty vine]

Oh yeah those guys

I still need to know where the hell a dragon turtle came from as well

[rough basalt]

But yeah they removed mythics to cut down monster statblock size.

[knotty vine]

Just like humans they are another wonder of dnd

[rough basalt]

Cause they were moving towards the 3 reaction system and no legendary monsters.

[knotty vine]

Vecna got caught in that cross fire

[lavish flame]

Ravenloft's Dullahan monster had Mythic actions too. I really wish they put Mythic stuff into the 5.5 MM

[rough basalt]

Oh yeah the Dullahan

[knotty vine]

Mythic actions were to separate the good from the great and its one of the things I miss from 5e

“You may be legendary but I am MYTHIC”

[rough basalt]

But yeah they got removed cause apparently too many people complained that it made things too complicated which led to the 3 reaction system being devised I think.

[lavish flame]

the monsters with the Titan tag would all be cooler with a Mythic phase

[knotty vine]

Giants are so under used in dnd already

There’s a lot of creature types that are super unused in dnd ngl

Giants plants and oozes

[rough basalt]

Kraken Mythic where its tentacles all become individual entities with their own attacks while the Kraken casts spells.

[knotty vine]

I’ve played I like 23ish games and I’ve fought a total of 2 plant monsters

[rough basalt]

Colossus Mythic where it supercharges itself, giving it a permanent "reckless attack" state for some rounds until it dies on its own from overclockinhg

[glossy otter]

I just realized, were plants ever given a titan creature?

[lavish flame]

I really like the idea of a kraken's tentacles becoming seperate monsters

[rough basalt]

Tarrasque Mythic where it gets Earthbind aura of 1200ft emanation.

[lavish flame]

no not yet

[knotty vine]

Lmao never

[rough basalt]

Nope

[empty thicket]

wait until the ancient giant tree start walking

[knotty vine]

They are the most forgotten creature type in dnd imo

[knotty vine]

Awaken:

[rough basalt]

I've been trying to find a good third party bestiary cause I want more plant enemies

[lavish flame]

Biolante from Godzilla would be a good inspiration. Maybe a Yggdrasil Blight would be the choice for D&D

[empty thicket]

yeah those, but i mean fr Giant.

[knotty vine]

That’s why I keep saying we should get a Druid subclass that lets you wildshape into plants

[rough basalt]

Yggdrasil Blight would've been perfect I think.

[knotty vine]

Actually give plants some love

[rough basalt]

But nah we need more Fiends and more Undead.

[glossy otter]

just has a cosmic plant horror that assimilates people and releases spores to attract more victims

[knotty vine]

We have ENOUGH undeads

[onyx haven]

Titan plant Deku tree lol

[knotty vine]

Fiends too

[lavish flame]

Plants and Oozes are super underutilized

[empty thicket]

in california there is a giant tree that would work for example, its called Hyperion

[knotty vine]

Literally

[rough basalt]

Screw it. Just make the Gravemind from Halo as a Plant Titan

[knotty vine]

That’s why plant Druid should be a thing

[empty thicket]

Something like that for awaken, would be a collosal plant creature

[knotty vine]

It fits with the themes

[glossy otter]

where's our man the blight druid at

[rough basalt]

Since the Flood from Halo are very Plant-like.

[empty thicket]

in concept like poison ivy from dc?

[knotty vine]

YES

[lavish flame]

What other creature types are missing a Titan? Unironically Fiends and Undead

[empty thicket]

they would be mushrooms

[glossy otter]

absolute poison ivy?

[empty thicket]

na, but in general poison ivy

[rough basalt]

And it'd be easy to make statblocks for them

[knotty vine]

That’s like spores Druid already

[onyx haven]

Critical role book, iirc lol

[remote wadi]

Chat, is it a red flag that the DM only improvs and never plans?

[rough basalt]

Just have a template for it.
"Use this statblock, but change Creature type to Plant and add Fire Vulnerability."

[knotty vine]

So/so

[empty thicket]

kinda

[lavish flame]

do you wish they'd plan more instead of improv?

[glossy otter]

thats giving me an idea for a spore druid/path of the beast barbarian

[knotty vine]

Not every plant is vulnerable to fire weirdly enough

[glossy otter]

Changeling so that their form is never constant

[limber trail]

Hear me out, they lean into it and the thunder breath gets upgraded into a full on Godzilla atomic breath

[rough basalt]

I'm talking about using the Flood from Halo in dnd.
They're a Plant-like parasite that's only fear is Fire and it hurts them especially more than bullets do.

[knotty vine]

Ohhhhh

That’s horrific

[remote wadi]

I would prefer that he wouldn't make everything up on the spot

[knotty vine]

DND vs the flood

[rough basalt]

It is why Halo actually had genuine horror to it at one point.

[glossy otter]

That reminds me one of my thursday crews is about to have a HW2: Awakening the nightmare moment

[rough basalt]

That first mission they were introduced literally scared the crap out of me as a kid.

And it still gives me creeps

[remote wadi]

Leads to wasted time and prone to poor performance

[knotty vine]

Just leave

[rough basalt]

Oh hell yeah

[limber trail]

I mean if you’re bothered by it, talk to your DM about it

[glossy otter]

Poor duergar, they didn't realize they were opening a literal virus into the realms

[short brook]

having to fight the flood as a dnd character is kinda peak ngl

[knotty vine]

Fireball

Or a flame tongue wewpon

[rough basalt]

I had a Spelljammer game I wanted to do at one point with the flood

[limber trail]

I wouldn’t frame it exactly as “I don’t like that you improvise sessions”, rather, just explain that sessions feel like they’re wasting time and sessions are frustrating.

It might also just be that you have a different style to the DM

But yeah talk to the DM about it

[rough basalt]

It starts with the PCs having to escape the Rock of Bral after a flood spore crashs on it.

[limber trail]

I should add some kind of a virus to my campaign

[glossy otter]

Though ironically my flood campaign is just my alt thurs because they're dealing with a fungal plague in the feywild. But it's more A Plague Tale/Last of Us

[limber trail]

Actually no I’ve already got so much going on

[knotty vine]

Honestly role playing is fun but I wanna get into more fights for the sake of it

[glossy otter]

It could be a smaller thing that exists in the world for a mini canon one shot or side quest

[knotty vine]

Epitaph

Now behold emperor crimson

[limber trail]

I do think that DMs who wanna make RP (as in, conversations etc) more common really should just put in more legwork to make them rewarding. So many DMs just go “ok RP time” and then give absolutely no goals, challenges, or rewards.

[rough basalt]

I tried to run a virus once and didn't do it well.

I like what the virus did tho

[knotty vine]

This is so real through

[remote wadi]

Everyone can do a little improv on the spot, but the problem is when everything is on the spot

For added context, I entered this campaign because a friend told me this was available and they were looking for another person. Already a little bit concerned about the DM not even being above 18, but giving them a chance nonetheless (possibly against my better judgement)

[rough basalt]

Killed you and brought you back as a Zombie that would constantly mutter your deepest secrets

[knotty vine]

Through I only do “ok rp time” when I’m setting up a map or something

[glossy otter]

Ngl I like stuff like the cordyceps because it's interesting how it can mutate different creatures

[rough basalt]

Rn I'm finding maps for my upcoming horror game and I found some bloodborne ones that now I wanna change the intro quest

[lavish flame]

Even just giving something to bounce off of is somewhat uncommon.

[knotty vine]

I wanna make a crazy character in dnd but how would I go about that without making them evil

[limber trail]

“Ok RP time” is alright in moderation but I’ve played more than a few DnD sessions where it feels like we’re just dropped into a setting with no real tension. There’s nothing to engage with, because everything either A) is fine and will continue to be fine, or B) all of the problems can only be solved by leaving and doing combat

[remote wadi]

Mentally deranged in a good way

[knotty vine]

Oh that’s awful

[rough basalt]

Combat is the best solution

[short brook]

Krieg from borderlands 2

[lavish flame]

you make them crazy in such a way that does not make them evil. additionally, maybe reexamine some personal biases

[short brook]

He's an actual psycho, but does the killing in the name of good.

[limber trail]

I don’t even think combat is necessarily always the best or most fun solution. Legitimately finding solutions through social navigation is awesome, more DMs just need to put some work into setting it up

[knotty vine]

Gimme an example

[rough basalt]

I believe that combat should be the only solution always.

Because then I don't have to think of that much crap

[knotty vine]

Me when I have to fight to death every second of the day

An old lady tried to ask me for gold so I punched her in the face

[rough basalt]

Good

She should get a job /j

[limber trail]

Truee

[knotty vine]

Idk why but I like the idea of hitting someone so hard they fly 5-15 feet away

[rough basalt]

Gojo from JJK could be a good example of crazy but not the bad guy. He sometimes looks like it and acts like it but it's towards the actual almost comically irredeemably evil bad guys.

[short brook]

Could you stack tavern brawler and crusher

[lavish flame]

You ever watch Doom Patrol? That was a cast of characters all of whom were varying levels of crazy, but they were not evil people. Drax from Guardians of the Galaxy is crazy but not evil. Fallout 4's Mama Murphy mostly uses her craziness to try to divine the future.

[knotty vine]

Oh yeah

[rough basalt]

Tbh all adventurers have some level of crazy to them

[short brook]

Also yeah those are pretty good examples lol

[knotty vine]

I made a decently insane sorcerer who loves gambling

[rough basalt]

Cause being willing to put your life on the line for anything other than self preservation requires just a bit of crazy at least.

[short brook]

No sane person goes adventuring lol

[knotty vine]

Aka they exposed them self to pure magic to but the magic was too wild to tame

[limber trail]

Yup

[knotty vine]

So now they use there magic for fun of it

Fey wild shard still has to be my favorite item of all time

Let me show you how many times I can really gamble

[remote wadi]

I don't want to call the shot too early, but I am not feeling this campaign

[knotty vine]

Join a different one

[limber trail]

How long have you been in the campaign?

[knotty vine]

Best way to cast fireball at level 3
You cast a random spell. If the spell normally requires Concentration, it doesn’t require Concentration in this case; the spell lasts for its full duration. Roll 1d10 to determine the spell: on a 1, Confusion; on a 2, Fireball;

[remote wadi]

First session, but the potential problem-

[knotty vine]

Meet potential man!

[remote wadi]

...did he really say this will be a high level encounter at level 1?

Idk what the statblock with a giant spider is

[short brook]

cr 30 giant spider

[knotty vine]

Giant enemy spider

[limber trail]

That’s a completely fine encounter for level 1s

[short brook]

thats an old reference good lord

[limber trail]

He might mean it’s in the high difficulty bracket for level 1s, which means it’s completely winnable

[knotty vine]

It’s CR 1 for those of you who are curious

[unborn bramble]

The giant enemy spider

[rough basalt]

Yeah more than fine for a hard encounter for a level 1 party

[limber trail]

Ride it out I say. Every DM has off weeks, see how the next session or 2 goes. I especially know that introducing new players and characters is a tough week - at least for me, it’s tough.

[knotty vine]

You would know all about them wouldn’t you

[rough basalt]

Yeah I had a bad session last wednesday

[knotty vine]

Me being Tasha the witch never has bad sessions

[rough basalt]

Was too overstimmed all day and couldn't really function right mentally.

[remote wadi]

I mean, I'm seeing things like how the lack of planning is for the longer term, like how things are added as it goes

[limber trail]

I don’t think a lack of planning and a willingness to change plans on the fly is a bad thing

[rough basalt]

Well planning isn't always good either. It's about striking a balance mainly.

[limber trail]

I did it in my most recent session on both counts and I thought it made for a great time

[rough basalt]

I don't really plan my sessions. I use random encounter tables and build from what I'd built so far.

[knotty vine]

Never in my 26 years of living did I think someone would say planning ahead isn’t good

[rough basalt]

Planning ahead can be detrimental.

[knotty vine]

How so?

[limber trail]

I don’t think planning ahead is bad, it’s just not the only option always especially for DnD. Having some flexibility is fun

[remote wadi]

This is not planning just about anything

[rough basalt]

For example if I plan ahead, I usually won't end up doing it compared to actually just doing it.

[short brook]

ngl players usually do the things you least expect

[knotty vine]

I feel like going in without a plan has gotten more people killed the going in with one

[vale kettle]

Could you elaborate?

[limber trail]

What’s it been like so far? I’m curious now, because I’ve seen two types of “improv” games and I’m curious which of the two this is

[rough basalt]

There's a thing called overpreppi g

[knotty vine]

Not to say that planning also hasn’t gotten people killed

[rough basalt]

It's where a DM burns themselves out trying to keep prepping for every single possibility.

[knotty vine]

Oh you mean the DM

I thought you meant the players

[rough basalt]

Nah.

[remote wadi]

DM's own words. From what I'm seeing, it's the equivalent of winging it. Making it all up on the spot

[knotty vine]

Not a big fan of winging it

[limber trail]

Sometimes planning super rigidly in the future locks you into ideas and you spend ages trying to make those ideas work, long past where they make sense. You get railroady, and start making awkward story decisions to justify your ideas

[rough basalt]

Depending on the idea can be very limiting resourcewise as well

[limber trail]

I don’t necessarily think that’s a bad thing if everyone is on board. I’ve had a lot of fun just spitballing one shots with friends.

[rough basalt]

Like I did a linear game involving a necromantic cult so most enemies were Cultists and Undead so there was most of the MM going unused which made encounters rely on my HB and unique factors to keep them interesting.

[knotty vine]

Ang it’s 12 am already

[limber trail]

Interesting

You’re three hours behind me

[knotty vine]

Idk most of the players stick to the path I set for them if they go off I just look up another adventurer they could go on

[limber trail]

You aren’t American like I thought

[vale kettle]

fair enough. I'd say if you are making things on the spot, write them down cause if anything contradicts later it will ruin immersion

[limber trail]

Oh totally

I personally try and hit a balance

[knotty vine]

Ha nope

[limber trail]

Of course I improvise stuff every session, and also every session I prepare content. It’s about what works for you

[knotty vine]

I still need to make an oni pugilist/monk someday

[limber trail]

I think the best games are somewhere in the middle

[rough basalt]

I sometimes forget to note things I make up down

[knotty vine]

Or barbarian

[rough basalt]

And only remember cause of luck.

[short brook]

i wanna play the pugilist, too bad its hb

[limber trail]

I mean some games might allow it

[short brook]

not the ones im at

[limber trail]

Talk to your DM about it

[limber trail]

Fair enough

[knotty vine]

I like the idea of it but it’s way to memory heavy to keep track of

It gets like an ability every other level

[fathom willow]

Heyo

[remote wadi]

This is not a one shot

[limber trail]

To be fair there are classes like monk which also have that

[knotty vine]

I just wish unarmed fighting was better

[limber trail]

Oh sure but I think the basic principle can apply

[knotty vine]

Yeah but pugilist has it really bad

Like reallllly bad

[limber trail]

I’ve also got other personal issues with the design of the pugilist

[knotty vine]

Trying to remember every little thing you can do

[limber trail]

It’s got way too much specific flavour baked in imo, like old monk did

[knotty vine]

It overwhelms me who plays wizard

[shy bane]

Is there a place I could go to bounce ideas for a magic item?

I want to create a “party” magic item, which everyone in the party has access to, because it fits the theme of my campaign and sounds fun, it idk about the mechanics of the thing and I need some wisdom

[remote wadi]

I just am not feeling it. It doesn't really help that both DM and a player is under 18

[knotty vine]

Party magic item?

[limber trail]

Hey that’s fair

[shy bane]

Yes?

[knotty vine]

Wdym?

[shy bane]

Idk what to call it

[knotty vine]

Like a magic item that everyone can use or

[remote wadi]

Good example: spider is not going to shoot a web at the spellcaster because DM is "too lazy to learn how the recharge works"

[shy bane]

Yeah, that’s the ifea.

[manic siren]

uh hello! im new to dnd

[knotty vine]

Son..

[knotty vine]

That’s very vague

[shy bane]

The item is currently a “cursed” item which is absorbing spells on a low con save from the party, but it’s also a puzzle which they are working on solving. I want the next step to grant them access to a new ability, but since solving has been a party effort I want it to be a “party” item

[shy bane]

Sorry typing slow lol

[rough basalt]

Thats just ridiculous

[knotty vine]

Ok still very vague through what does the ability do

[rough basalt]

It's literally just roll a damn d6

[shy bane]

I figure it would give anyone in the party a once a day reaction to nullify a spell.

[knotty vine]

I can’t I ate them all…

[short brook]

hard candy

[shy bane]

But that’s the problem I’ve not seen anything like this so I’m kinda shooting in the dark.

[knotty vine]

Ranges from mildly useful to down rigjt broken

[shy bane]

Right, and that’s problem

Idk how to balance something like this

[knotty vine]

Is it an action or reaction?

[remote wadi]

Yeah, I think it's time I disengage and start preparing to cast Find Greater DnD Table

[shy bane]

Reaction, because it needs to be on an enemies turn

[knotty vine]

That also needs the enemy to cast a spell which not a lot of enemies do

Most prefer just stabbing you

[shy bane]

Kinda? I run a very enemy pc heavy game, so a lot of enemies cast spell. Could also be an arcane ability

Oof, I gotta run now. I’ll be back later. Please @ me at the end of your response!

[knotty vine]

That’s what they all say..

[remote wadi]

Another thing I forgot about until now

The entire campaign would be streamed on Twitch

[rough basalt]

That's a rough one.

[knotty vine]

“I’m too lazy to learn how recharge works”

Fat chance

[remote wadi]

Decided to just dip from the campaign and eventually look for a new one

[knotty vine]

I feel like people just say that just because

[rough basalt]

Yeah, being too lazy to learn how to play the game won't go well for a liveplay from some I'm assuming nobody

[remote wadi]

Well, like I said

DM wasn't even 18

[rough basalt]

Ah that makes sense

[remote wadi]

Which it took me 10 seconds just now, and I already understood how the recharge works

[rough basalt]

Yeah its just roll a d6 at the start of their turn and they recharge on a number they say they do

[remote wadi]

Not already, but just now

It was that simple

[rough basalt]

I'd say it's easier to forget to roll recharge than it is to not know how it works.

[remote wadi]

This was just not knowing how it works

[rough basalt]

Which is just crazy

[remote wadi]

And if memory serves, this was against a Dex based Cleric

[knotty vine]

Recharge 4-6

[remote wadi]

5-6 for a Giant Spider

[odd valley]

is this an online game?

or is it in person

[remote wadi]

Everything is online

[odd valley]

cast find greater table but don’t disengage quite yet

[remote wadi]

Too late

[clever furnace]

does anyone do their own pricing for magic items? 19'000 for a +2 weapon seems crazy to

[knotty vine]

Magic items base dnd don’t really have a set price

[clever furnace]

is there a recomonded guideline or something i can folllow, i dont wanna pull a nuymber out my ass

[knotty vine]

Xanathar!

[empty thicket]

being a dm?

[clever furnace]

😐

[empty thicket]

unnecessary, but okey.

[blissful ibex]

2024 DMG, page 217
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/magic-items#MagicItemRaritiesandValues

+2 weapon is 4,000gp as it's a rare (unless your DM decides otherwise)

[halcyon forum]

there are some guidelines for magic items prices in the official books, but be warned that magic items are terribly balanced against each other in terms of scaling power to rarity. If you like numbers with a bit more thought put into them, there are homebrew lists on the net

[clever furnace]

i figured lol, thanks to the both of you, i like the guideline sent, i only need to adjust slightly if the rare weapon is really good or really buns

[halcyon forum]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11-45kA6qWTFV_rDYkD49B_EQfF0kPrW2tXwQcNs1jVM if you like to compare prices

[sleek cloud]

+2 rod of the pact keeper my beloved

[knotty vine]

I only need a fey wild shard

[sleek cloud]

That’s on my wishlist for my sorcerer for sure

Love me some wild magic shenanigans

[knotty vine]

For 4 minutes and level seconds the wild magic sorcerer is effectively immortal

[devout wolf]

I know metagaming bad, but is there anything against metaconditioning? (For example, pulling the dm aside to tell them something you’re gonna do, and keeping a recording of that for proof later in hopes that they forget)

[uncut zenith]

We tend to call that openly communicating with your fellow players

[devout wolf]

Ok more context is needed

Like in the current campaign I’m in, my character witnessed a party member blank out and have an amnesia episode right as they were about to tell my character something important that happened, ooc I know what happened (bad guy interference), but in character I don’t, and my character is paranoid as hell so he’s gonna start keeping a logbook just in case he blanks out like that too, I want to make the dm aware of its existence but not bring further attention to it

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, that’s just communicating with your DM

[devout wolf]

Yeah, just felt weird cuz while its all justifiable in-character, my motivation for this move was kinda influenced by meta stuff

[uncut zenith]

It’s not the end of the world if you can justify why your character would want to take these actions

Not all metagaming is bad

[devout wolf]

Good, I’ve just been burned by overly sensitive groups in the past (like hair-trigger levels) and needed an outside opinion on my course of action

Im actually gonna be keeping a physical logbook too

[uncut zenith]

Some metagaming is normal

For example, if I’m playing a Wizard with proficiency in Arcana and the DM asks for an Arcana roll, I know out-of-character that I’ll likely have a better chance at success than the INT-dump Barbarian. That’s a form of metagaming that actually helps the party and encourages positive play.

[cloud bison]

Is there a way to do a point buy system in the species homebrewer in dndbeyond?

[rough basalt]

That'd just be part of the character builder

[uncut zenith]

Stats aren’t associated with species anymore, so I don’t think the DDB species homebrewer supports it

It’s associated with Backgrounds now

[hot marlin]

How is it meta stuff? Your character saw a party member, someone they rely on to stay alive, have sudden amnesia. Clearly they are either being influenced or they have a huge problem with their brain. That is worth keeping notes on and monitoring

[devout wolf]

Fair, i was just being paranoid

[hot marlin]

Like, consider things strictly from the point of view of your character. Hell, I've played characters whose reaction to such an event would be "I can't keep adventuring with that person"

[cloud bison]

No I want to make a species where people get 6 points and can use the points for features

[hot marlin]

When characters adventure together, they are trusting each other with their lives. Someone who just blanks out in the middle of a conversation, suddenly forgetting what they were about to say? In what world would anyone ever trust that person in a life or death situation where a decision has to be made in a split second?

Monitoring them is the least you can do. I'd just have them checked under every possible divination spell, every dispel and restoration.

[uncut zenith]

I think their hesitation is more so based around having out-of-character knowledge of some sort of thing the DM is referencing

[devout wolf]

Considering that in the prior session, said character who blanked saved my character from near instant death

[uncut zenith]

But again, the character has valid motive to keep tabs on their fellow party member, regardless of whether the player is aware of what the DM is referencing or not

[devout wolf]

Yeah, the dm didn’t do a breakaway for a scene with just the guy who blanked, so we were all present in the call for something only our monk saw

[hot marlin]

Still, you understand what I mean, right? Even with just the informations your character has, this is cause for concern

[devout wolf]

Yeah, thanks for reaffirming my plan

[stiff rock]

what spells, besides disguise self, would physically alter your appearance? i'd like to have a mind flayer disguising itself as a human

[lavish flame]

Seeming does it fir a group

[stiff rock]

i'm hoping there's a spell like alter self that lasts longer than an hour

[hot marlin]

Alter self.

Oh sorry, you already had that one

Oh, you want spells that physically alter the caster?

[stiff rock]

pretty much yeah, anything like alter self that would last longer but still be dismissable by the caster

[umbral girder]

Alter self mainly

I think there is a potion for it?

[hot marlin]

Shapechange. True Polymorph.

[raw crypt]

only other one I can think of is true poly at 9th level, which lasts until dispelled if you keep it for the whole hr

unfortunately it's 9th lvl

[umbral girder]

And of course an easier way is have it turn someone into a thrall and do it for them

[raw crypt]

shapechange only lasts an hour as well iirc

[umbral girder]

How about a Hat of Disguise?

[stiff rock]

the context is that i've got a mind flayer who is hiring the adventurers to ferry him through the astral plane, but he can't have them find out he's a mind flayer

[hot marlin]

So I do have to ask: Why do you want that illithid to not use disguise self? It would work well enough

[stiff rock]

my issue with disguise self is that you can't change your form too heavily, and any physical alterations are just illusionary

i'm just looking for something more concrete so it doesn't bring up an argument about the spell's rules at the table

alter self seems best, and i can just have it recast every hour

[raw crypt]

seems like the only permanent option is true poly, for your purposes at least

just make sure the flayer gets time to himself once an hour, and has a viable excuse whenever detect magic goes up (or don't and let chaos ensue)

[stiff rock]

sounds good, thank you!

[fiery nimbus]

Hat of Disguise paired with Belt of Dwarvenkind

[umbral girder]

They are still human shapped

Could just have their tentacles disguised as a Beard

Old wizard with a very big beard.

Explains why he is so smart and the long growth on his face

[fiery nimbus]

@stiff rock how do you feel about giving him powerful magical item?

i have perfect solution

a little magic item called "Crown of Lies"

it has a feature called "Perfect Disguise"

[umbral girder]

The module specific magic item from the Domains of Dread I see.

[stiff rock]

possibly giving out an artifact to a 4th level party sounds a little worrying lol. i'll stick with alter self

[fiery nimbus]

that one is from Vecna - Eve of Ruin

[stiff rock]

thank you for the recommendation though

[fiery nimbus]

to be honest understandable, if its not a BBEG you might now want to put an artefact for him in the game
otherwise you will have to account for this artefact being somewhere out there

[stiff rock]

i'm running a oneshot

it's also from eve of ruin, so it'll likely never ever come up outside of that lol

[fiery nimbus]

aye fair enough

[ripe pilot]

What are yalls thoughts on conquest paladin?

[umbral girder]

Yes I know

[fiery nimbus]

an evil paladin, its great

[umbral girder]

Trying to avoid spoilers due to it's existance is kinda one

[umbral girder]

Pretty good! Played one and it was very effective.

[ripe pilot]

Huh thx

[umbral girder]

Falls behind the support compared to Paladins but has pretty good control.

[ripe pilot]

Thinking of multiclassing a bard into one to make it an evil bard lol

[stray atlas]

so I have a question

[queen cloud]

Can anybody please get a direct message me that is a moderator please I do need some assistance

[stiff rock]

#moderator-support

[umbral girder]

I don't think you need to multiclass to become an evil bard

Cause even then that is just a Bard + Evil paladin too.

[stray atlas]

are there any types of undeath that are similar to being a zombie but also make the user have most of their faculties?

[umbral girder]

Ghouls and Mummies

Revenants too but thats more being angry

I believe Flameskulls too

[stray atlas]

I'm tryna write an npc with something like that which happened to them against their will

[queen cloud]

I highly appreciate you thank you so much

[vale kettle]

WHY IS Cthulhu A CR 25??????? WHAT??? not my bro getting the Vecna Treatment

[umbral girder]

Actually its Ghasts

Ghasts are more mentally aware than Ghouls. Basically the smart (smelly) ghouls

[stray atlas]

they want to be allowed to die and as such want to join the party

[compact crypt]

My dm fell asleep mid session 😭

[stray atlas]

until they come in contact with a cleric the party is travelling to

[umbral girder]

Ah easy do a Flameskull then

Flameskulls are a constant respawning undead with their mental faculties and made by wizards.

[stiff rock]

a deathlock comes to mind as well, that may fit?

^ flameskull sounds most appropriate though

[stray atlas]

I will read into them thank you

which book are they in?

[umbral girder]

Flameskulls are the Monster Manual

Deathlock is Monsters of the Multiverse.

[stray atlas]

not sure how I missed the flameskulls