dnd-discussion

[buoyant oar]

Many DMs try to adapt an existing non DND story wholesale and it almost never works.

[unkempt atlas]

It was basically dm and player (the one with the "deathnote") vs the other players

There were times were we almost got it, but then we messed it up and we ended up all losing

[feral fulcrum]

I deeply question why they ever thought such a thing would work with D&D.

[fossil hollow]

ah yes, deathnote, the very easy to follow series about one guy with a god complex is trying to play god and also 4d chess with another genius

[storm magnet]

Is there an advantage between a spirit in the shape of an animal and a real animal?

[fossil hollow]

totally works in a collaborative story telling game that relies on dice and players working together

[feral fulcrum]

Actually it was 5d Chess on their 4heads

[unkempt atlas]

Like, it was 4 of us investigating each other but one of them was the killer, and we never accused the real killer, just each other

[craggy summit]

That could be an interesting concept if done right. Like you gotta do a whole complex side quest to figure out the BBEG's real name and if done, you can instantly kill him

Orrrrrr take the straight forward route if you don't wanna do a whole Skyrim questline and kill the boss

[unkempt atlas]

I kept getting used like a puppet, OH AND I JUST REMEMBERED THAT THE KILLER CHEATED AND WON. I was so mad

[fossil hollow]

i feel like a game of werewolf or mafia would have been more fun than that

[umbral girder]

Ti I got a challenge for you

[fossil hollow]

hm?

[umbral girder]

Make an adventure entirely focused on Cats.

[bronze wave]

the movie?

[fossil hollow]

i do remember heliana's having a cat based oneshot

[unkempt atlas]

There was a kingdom that 3 of us were helping rule over, a captain of the guard who could order around guards, arrest people all that stuff, the king who could make laws, decrees, and had complete power over the kingdom, the judge/pastor who could take out rulings, and then the inquisitor who came into the kingdom to solve the mystery

[craggy summit]

would a displacer beast count as a cat in that adventure?

[unkempt atlas]

There was also a popularity system too which was aggravating to manage with everything else

[fiery nimbus]

to be honest, define what is a cat

[umbral girder]

Its A Cat

[bronze wave]

Its starkly not a cat so

[craggy summit]

i suppose if it's in the feline family, it's a cat, no? 🤔

[thorn wedge]

A cat is a cat no matter the size

[craggy summit]

Or are we talking purely CAT cat

[fiery nimbus]

well yes but why is it called a cat in the first place
Do Tabaxies call cats, cats?

[woven flint]

Probably

Tabaxi are notably, still people

[fiery nimbus]

like lets say you are a tabaxi and see a cat for the first time
its like if a human seen a tiny naked human running around

[umbral girder]

Did you know that Tabaxi for the longest time were just Humans?

[thorn wedge]

Tabaxies are catlike humanoids, not cats themselves

[woven flint]

Their whole lore thing is that they were ONCE humans

[fiery nimbus]

so they came after cats?

[umbral girder]

Eventually the Catlord decided "What if I made this tribe called "Tabaxi" into cats."

[fiery nimbus]

are tabaxis catlike or are cats tabaxilike

[umbral girder]

Cats came first

[woven flint]

Tabaxi are catlike.

They WERE humans.

Like how Yuan-Ti were once humans and now they're Snake-like humanoids

[fossil hollow]

and just to throw a wrench, tabaxi also refers to a specific group of humans

[woven flint]

Yeah, that's what we were talking about

The Catlord turned them into the Tabaxi we know

[fiery nimbus]

Huh

the more you know

[woven flint]

The Tabaxi tribe and the Tabaxi race are the SAME people

[fossil hollow]

No, theres two seperate groups of people

one of them are still humans

they also live in Chult

[fiery nimbus]

It's still have to be a hell of a trip to grow up as tabaxi and meet a cat for the first time

[fossil hollow]

"Tabaxi" was also a term given to a race of humanoid jaguars found in both Chult and Maztica. It has been suggested that this was an error in naming. The explanation was that an explorer from Cormyr saw a Tabaxi tribesman dressed in ceremonial garb of panther skin and was told by a guide that the man was a Tabaxi. Misunderstanding what the guide meant, this explorer assumed that all cat-men were called "Tabaxi".[1]

In actuality the Cormyrean explorer was not far off from the truth. The human tribesmen named their people after the enigmatic feline-humanoids.

[woven flint]

Either way, blame this guy for Tabaxi
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Cat_lord

[fossil hollow]

id rather blame the Cormyrean

[fiery nimbus]

I guess he wasn't too happy about being the main lead in "Cats" the movie

[woven flint]

Probably not, I can imagine Tabaxi see normal felines every day, seeing as how they lived in jungles.

Tabaxi specifically aren't cat people

They're Jaguar people.

[severe fox]

Cat lord?

[fiery nimbus]

aye but there ought to be the first time

[severe fox]

The og furry

[fossil hollow]

i dont think he was the first Animal Lord to exist

[umbral girder]

Yeah there are a lot of Beast Lords

[fossil hollow]

id reckon theres at least one dinosaur one whose a lot older

[woven flint]

"Depending on their region and fur coloration, tabaxi were known by different names. Tabaxi with solid spots were sometimes called leopard-folk and tabaxi with rosette spots were called jaguar-folk.

The way the tabaxi pronounced their own name also varied; the "leopard-folk" pronounced it ta-BÆK-see, and the jaguar-folk tah-BAHSH-ee"

[umbral girder]

Or the youngest.

[woven flint]

By the way, their average height is
God's please save me...
Six to Seven feet tall
Tabaxi are MASSIVE

[umbral girder]

Do we know if Dinosaurs were the first in the realms?

[fiery nimbus]

I love how Leonins are entierly separate from that

[fossil hollow]

How long has Ubtao been around

[fossil hollow]

cuz theyre from Theros

[umbral girder]

Before there were Dinosaurs

One of those "He got that domain later on" gods

[feral fulcrum]

6 7' you say?

[woven flint]

Whole different setting than where tabaxi are from, yes.

They don't exist in the same realm typically.
So of course they'd be different lol

[fossil hollow]

I do recall hearing about some poor leonin who got isekai'd to Icewind Dale

[feral fulcrum]

Leonins stem from MTG planes.

[fossil hollow]

cant remember if it was one individual or a pride

[fiery nimbus]

Damn they have trucks in Theros

[fossil hollow]

im fairly sure Phyrexia brought some of their own living trucks

[feral fulcrum]

There are paths to getting Isekai'd that do not involve Truck Kun

[rough basalt]

2001 Chevy Silverados specifically

[umbral girder]

If there is a parade with only Leonin is it a Pride Parade?

[woven flint]

I hate when people make Tabaxi that act like housecats because It feels like a caricature of their people 😭

[fiery nimbus]

I do recall one being hit by a Tractor too

[fossil hollow]

he was never hit

[fiery nimbus]

alright alright died from the shock

[fossil hollow]

he just thought he did and died from the shock of thinking he did

Ainz just got isekaid since he was playing the game while it was shut down

[woven flint]

That's like making every Orc comically stupid or every Drow comedically Evil

[fiery nimbus]

Hit by a truck while distracted by games, tragic really

[rough basalt]

True. You should make all Tabaxi comically fast. All orcs comically strong. And all Drow comically small. /j

[fiery nimbus]

truck can not be ruled out there

[woven flint]

You will EXPLODE

[umbral girder]

"Who is this small sassy child?"
pointing at Lolth

[fiery nimbus]

Swats Lolth with a news paper

[rough basalt]

Her son tries to take over the surface and Humans just put their hands forward and hold the Drow back with one hand on their head while laughing.

[woven flint]

Then she sends like 50 Balor after you

[umbral girder]

Consider a bunch of children from Earth can fight off Tiamat and Lolth

[fiery nimbus]

Gently Places Glass over Lolth

[fiery nimbus]

good, they are good for taking care of the pests

[woven flint]

Yeah.. you're the pest to them

[fiery nimbus]

When you said that it reminded me of that one comic of the Dragon scooping up Adventurers into a glass because they are good for getting rid of the pests and he didn't want to kill them

[stoic haven]

Would using Wish to remove a magical item curse count as the 33% to not be able to cast Wish again?

[knotty vine]

Yeah

[stiff rock]

surely any use of wish counts towards that

[knotty vine]

Not any

[buoyant oar]

Not unless it's duplicating a spell

[knotty vine]

That

[stiff rock]

oh right

[knotty vine]

If you just dup a spell nothing happens

but if you do anything else you roll the 33

[fossil hollow]

anything outside of replicating a spell of 8th or lower will count

So, unless theyre doing Wish: Remove Curse only, it will trigger the 33%

[buoyant oar]

With cursed items. If you use wish to break the attunement you will not need to roll as that is the spell remove curse. If you are attempting to remove the curse from the item that will trigger the 33%

[knotty vine]

I mean greater res would also work

[fossil hollow]

does GR also do something with cursed? Havent really touched the 24 ver yet

[knotty vine]

Yeah

[fossil hollow]

well would you look at that

[knotty vine]

A curse, including the target’s Attunement to a cursed magic item

the old greater also removed a targets cursed

One curse, including the target’s attunement to a cursed magic item

[fiery nimbus]

so, what saves can you choose to fail?

[hollow stone]

any save, you can choose to fail all saves by simply not resisting

[severe fox]

Any save now

[fiery nimbus]

Ah good, i was worried about Vortex Warping my teammates

[fossil hollow]

im fairly sure VWarp specifies you can choose to fail

[severe fox]

I remember my way back when playing GH there was this trait that could allow you to remain conscious during death saves

2014 you couldnt willing fail a save unless the spell said so

2024 you can now willing fail any save

[lost flume]

Yooo is there a way to eat the randomest things like a leg of a chair but dont die from it?

[fossil hollow]

...

[severe fox]

dhampier?

[fiery nimbus]

well you assumed i can read

You magically twist space around another creature you can see within range. The target must succeed on a Constitution saving throw (the target can choose to fail),

It does very much say that

[lost flume]

Btw im the eladrin lol

[flint ledge]

Wha-

[fiery nimbus]

Cartographer with Vortex Warp will be fun, teleporting your friends from behind the wall is a nasty work

[severe fox]

I dont think theres rules for eating and dying from food in dnd

[fossil hollow]

... i was just wondering that

[severe fox]

You gotta be able to see

[flint ledge]

Someone update me on this why is an eladrin eating wooden chairs?

[fossil hollow]

See #dm-discussion

[fiery nimbus]

Nope, Cartographer specifically says
"When casting a spell or creating another effect that requires being able to see the effect’s target, a map holder can target another map holder regardless of sight or cover, so long as the other map holder is still within the effect’s range."

[severe fox]

oh thats cool

through waiting for 5th level for that makes it kinda ehh

[fiery nimbus]

I agree, thats why its a 3rd level feature

[fossil hollow]

i mean, the map still gives other benefits

[fiery nimbus]

It's a part of "Adventurer's Atlas" feature

[fossil hollow]

theyre referring to when half casters get 2nd level spells

[severe fox]

yeah

[sleek cloud]

Some day I’ll get to play my Eladrin wild magic sorcerer with a Matt Berry impression

[fiery nimbus]

oh that
yea it makese sense but also, hell yea its a good use

[lost flume]

And try to eat a leg of a chair or some rocks

[severe fox]

Pretty sure you can eat rocks and not die

[fiery nimbus]

there aren't many spells that take adventage of that ability quite as Vortex Warp

[fossil hollow]

that would probably be something to talk to your DM about lol

because they can overrule

[flint ledge]

I mean that depends on what kind of rocks you eat

[severe fox]

Artifcer's spell list isnt the best

its decent through

[fiery nimbus]

Yes but that Arteficer ability adds the targetting your allies through the walls and if you were to take full adventage of that you would need to choose specific spells

[severe fox]

I cant really think of too many times me and my party were seperated by a wall

Mainly cause I always take umber hulk claws

[lost flume]

I do some very stupid shit in that campain so idk abt this (i take out every enemys eyes to find some worth a lot of gold)

[fiery nimbus]

Correct beacuse you usually do not want that to happen

Cartographer is more free in how they pick their position since they can change it so fast basically at will

[severe fox]

I can burrow through walls

I am unstoppable!

[sleek cloud]

I cast counterburrow

[fiery nimbus]

Ehem ehem
I cast Earthquake

[severe fox]

. Each creature on the ground

im inside the ground

[fiery nimbus]

Im going by pokemon rules, you take double damage

[fossil hollow]

Earthquake should deal double damage to creatures in the ground

[severe fox]

It should but as dnd rules it does nothing

[fossil hollow]

Like pokemon

[fiery nimbus]

It does in logical games, like pokemon

[severe fox]

Since it only effects creature on the ground

[fiery nimbus]

as you try to burrow underground, decanter of the endless water on your belt opens

good luck

[fossil hollow]

weeee

[severe fox]

I dont carry those on me

I have create water if i ever need to drink

[fiery nimbus]

thats now how improv rules work

[severe fox]

Why would you give me another magic item from nothing?

[fossil hollow]

how do you know it wasnt buried there /j

[knotty vine]

Arent burrow speeds like super broken in dnd since it counts as full cover

[fossil hollow]

annoying to deal with as a player yes.

[bronze wave]

I dont think an enemy can stay underground tho can it?

[fiery nimbus]

correct but its balanced by the fact you can only burrow in soft ground

[bronze wave]

but it is good to avoid aoe

[fossil hollow]

theres no such rule

[bronze wave]

wow rlly? damn

[knotty vine]

umber claws allows you to dig through soild ground

[fiery nimbus]

also burrowing against creature with Tremor Sense is.. ill advised

[knotty vine]

These heavy gauntlets of brown iron are forged in the shape of an umber hulk’s claws, and they fit the wearer’s hands and forearms all the way up to the elbow. While wearing both claws, you gain a burrowing speed of 20 feet, and you can tunnel through solid ground

[tired oak]

can i use 2 concentration spells in 2 turns? for example use hex and on turn 2 use cloud of daggera?

[knotty vine]

No

[fiery nimbus]

Wow... If DM gives them to someone they are kind of the architect of their own problems

[fossil hollow]

You can cast them one after another yes. You just cant keep both of them up at the same time

[fiery nimbus]

you can if you drop concentration on the first spell

[fossil hollow]

Once you cast Cloud of Daggers, Hex ends

[empty thicket]

maintain 2 conc nope, unless you use some wish and if your dm let you. But beside that, nope.

[tired oak]

alright thanks thanks, what about hex and magic missile 3x on 1 target?

[knotty vine]

That works

[fossil hollow]

that works, but hex only works on attack rolls iirc

[fiery nimbus]

If you want to mentain concentration on 2 spells, give ring of spell storing to your familiar

[empty thicket]

each hit apply hex? thought only some sort of physical or range attack non magic

[sleek cloud]

Magic missiles doesn’t count as an attack roll since it hits automatically

So hex wouldn’t apply

[knotty vine]

Or the chrono wizards level 10 ability

Spell storing bead

[fiery nimbus]

if you want to apply hex use scorching ray instead

or Eldrich Blast

[fossil hollow]

Or Spellfire Flare

[knotty vine]

Spell fire flare is such a good spell

[empty thicket]

yeah, if you have hex most of time you would be a warlock so... EB is an option

[knotty vine]

Monk with hex:

[fiery nimbus]

i really wish this book didn't cost 60$

[tired oak]

thank you for all the information everyone, going on my first campaign on monday as a lvl 3 warlock cant wait

[sleek cloud]

I like Elminsters elusion

[knotty vine]

Monk with hex is so harsh

[fossil hollow]

I have no qualms about what i spend

[sleek cloud]

What subclass and invocation you goin with diot

[fossil hollow]

speaking of which, i gotta see about Ravenloft

[knotty vine]

possible to do 6d6+9 if all your attacks land

[tired oak]

hexblade

invocation 1 origin feat magic initiate
invocation 2 agonosing blast on eldritch blast
invocation 3 is fiendish vigor

strong close and long range i'm hoping for

[fiery nimbus]

34 feats right there

[sleek cloud]

2014 or 2024 rules

[knotty vine]

without pact of the blade? insane

[fiery nimbus]

Imagine what a wonderful torment would I inflict on the DM using them

[fossil hollow]

Seeing how they got MI origin feat...

[tired oak]

2024 rules yeah

[sleek cloud]

Oh duh

[empty thicket]

false life or mage armor can help with survival tho

[tired oak]

oh yeah also pact of the blade

[knotty vine]

You have to use your strength or dex to attack almost throws up

[empty thicket]

wait, it was fiendish vigor the false life one?

[sleek cloud]

Yes

[empty thicket]

okey, nice then

[tired oak]

im a tortle with a shield gained from hex warrior

[knotty vine]

17 flat ac nice

i keep forgetting they dont add anything

I still think its funny that arti can get like 22 AC at level like 3

[sleek cloud]

You might need pact of the blade over fiendish vigor if you want to keep up with melee combat

[knotty vine]

Since they can start with plate

[fiery nimbus]

Letting them craft an armour was a mistake

[sleek cloud]

Especially once you hit 5 when you’d wanna take hungering blade or whatever it is

[glad arch]

+1 plate and +1 shield?

[knotty vine]

warforged +1 shield and cast off plate

Add the shield spell for 27

[sleek cloud]

Time for some saving throws

[knotty vine]

at level 3 you wont meet many saving throws is the issue

unless the dm adds them

[fossil hollow]

Huh

[tired oak]

warforged sounds OP

[knotty vine]

warforged just gets a +1 to ac is all

[fossil hollow]

what game are you playing in that has no saves at level 3

[knotty vine]

Can you read?

[fossil hollow]

at level 3 you wont meet many saving throws is the issue

what else is there to read

[knotty vine]

You wont meet many aka there arent very many saving throws at level 3

[cloud bison]

What are some good feats if I want to go mage slayer archetype? (i know the mage slayer feat)

[fossil hollow]

Huh???

[knotty vine]

Idk in most of the games I hardly have to make any saves up until 4ish

[sleek cloud]

Probably something to shore up defenses against magic. Resilient wisdom maybe

[fossil hollow]

Ah, generalizing

[sleek cloud]

Int or charisma are less common but still potent

[knotty vine]

Charisma less so imo

Any time an Int save shows its ugly face its also debilating

[fiery nimbus]

Cloying fog is pretty good against casters

[knotty vine]

The only charisma saving throws I can think of right now are...

banishment spells and effects and any creature that posses you

Str saves are often meh

[fiery nimbus]

People often forget that taking away casters sight is almost as effective as silence

[knotty vine]

Fog cloud

[fossil hollow]

So, no ghouls, Aaracokra, Dragon Wyrmlings, Ankheg, Grapples, Banshees, Basilisks, Bearded Devils, Environmental Effects, Concentration saves, Carrion Crawlers, Centaurs, Cockatrices, Cult Fanatics, Death Dogs, Driders, and a bunch of other low CR monsters that also causes saves

like, none of those at all

until level 4

[flint ledge]

True, very few strength saves are particularly important

[umbral girder]

And that’s just the DMG monsters

[knotty vine]

I foguht only a very few monsters like that

[fossil hollow]

*MM

[fiery nimbus]

Yes you get it from cloying fog feat

[umbral girder]

Right monster Manual

[knotty vine]

Ruin carver

What kinda adventuer are you going on where bearded devils are a threat

[fossil hollow]

Baldur's Gate

[fiery nimbus]

And any other feat that gives you a 1st level spell

[knotty vine]

any thing else?

[fossil hollow]

Potentially Waterdeep

[knotty vine]

I havent read BG:DiA in a while

[fiery nimbus]

Personally Fog < Pyrotechnics

[knotty vine]

blind fighting is fun

+theres no save either

[umbral girder]

The simple scarecrow showing off level 1 saving throws

The humble goblin hexer

Or whatever its name is

[knotty vine]

You can try try try

But you cant expect a demigod to beat a decapod

[still plover]

Shiny.

[fossil hollow]

im fairly sure the next lines are:
You will die die die

[severe rampart]

Close, first it's "look it up!"

[woven flint]

Reaper overwah

[fossil hollow]

This is what im seeing

Maui man, you could try, try, try
But you can't expect a demi-god
To beat a decapod (look it up)
You will die, die, die

OOOH

well, its in parenthesis, so it doesnt count >:(

[severe rampart]

I like the song for this part
"Far from the ones who abandoned you chasing the love of these humans who made you feel wanted you tried to be tough
but your armour's just not hard enough"

[severe rampart]

We'll consider this a draw

[last sparrow]

Anyone ever play a game set during the Time of Troubles? How did your group handle it in character?

[vivid snow]

Where do yall get your dice from? I bought some from a little vendor at C2E2 called Revenant Foundry, I really like those they are my first set. I’ve heard good things about Sirius, Chessex, Norse foundry? Any recommendations?

[errant crag]

I get mine at the local game store

[fossil hollow]

LGS

[fiery nimbus]

I don't own dice

[flint ledge]

Yeah okay tokii...

[woven flint]

Eh?

[flint ledge]

He clearly says happy birthday not die

[woven flint]

Happy.. Happy.. Birthday!

[sleek cloud]

I SAW THAT

[woven flint]

Actually, I cant share that so shhh..

[flint ledge]

What's you send tokii?

[sleek cloud]

CLASSIFIED INFO

[woven flint]

I have a Drow Celestial Warlock

He's an Apprentice of Alustriel :]

[sleek cloud]

oh word? You’re playing a celestial warlock now

Celestial warlock twinsies

[woven flint]

He met Kas last session.

Yes, The Kas.

[flint ledge]

@woven flint you should totally tell me

[woven flint]

Let's just say...
Kas put a few words in his head

Made him have revaluation of how he views his current state in life

[fossil hollow]

Im regretting having Mana leave now

[vivid pelican]

Leroy got hit by a giant swinging axe 😞

Can we have a moment of silence for leroy?

[woven flint]

Stuff :3

[sleek cloud]

Rip leroy

[flint ledge]

Rip Leroy

[glossy otter]

Did he at least run in screaming without a plan?

[woven flint]

... 100 or so years of apprenticeship is a long time, isn't it, friends?

Long enough to love your teacher as if they were a parent, hm?

[vivid pelican]

Rest in peace 🚫
Rest in pieces ✅️

[glossy otter]

At least he has his chicken

[vivid pelican]

Yes. He did what he loved most...
Ripping people in half

We were fighting a group of corrupted peasants and SOMEONE triggered a giant swinging axe and it hit him

[flint ledge]

Depends on the perspective, to most people definitely

[keen kestrel]

I had a fun idea for a devotion paladin, but it’d be less traditional

[glossy otter]

Dang, the leroy jenkins jokes fly by

[vivid pelican]

We should low-key hold a funeral for Leroy

[keen kestrel]

I was thinking of having his devotion be towards an ideal rather than a god or group

[flint ledge]

Paladins aren't necessarily bound to a deity

[feral fulcrum]

I swear people don't read the fluff text above classes.

[flint ledge]

I mean reading the feature names one could easily come to that conclusion

But yeah you're right

[keen kestrel]

I did read it for what it’s worth, I did say god or group (should’ve included moral system too ig)

[sleek cloud]

Having a paladin be sworn to an ideal is completely traditional, its built in with those oaths

[vivid pelican]

Anyways, Leroy brutally maimed 13 corrupted villagers and severely injured 32 others before falling graciously in battle

[keen kestrel]

It’d be less of an ideal and more of a phrase

[sleek cloud]

What’s the phrase

[glossy otter]

i'm sorry, I feel the urge to make more leroy jenkins jokes

[feral fulcrum]

YOLO 420 blaze it?

[errant crag]

It happened 21 years ago at this point

[vivid pelican]

Rip Leroy
2026-2026

[fossil hollow]

hes a loooooooooooot older than 2026

[keen kestrel]

The indomitable human spirit

[flint ledge]

I don't think you fall very graciously after turning corrupted villagers into a gore pile

[fossil hollow]

that was literally during peak WoW era

[glossy otter]

omg has it been that long? though it may be old, it's iconic

[feral fulcrum]

Back when youtube was only like, 360p max too

[woven flint]

Sovis Cova met Alustriel Silverhand when he was only 120 years old.
A Drow from Menzobarranzan who wanted better for his people after witnessing the pure cruelty and carelessness of passerbys simply continued moving on when his sister was being eaten by a Balor.
He prayed to Eilistraee, Lolths righteous hearted daughter.. she lead him to a company that was really good at smuggling drow to the Surface.
He was scared, lost, and then met met Alustriel when he enrolled in a mages academy to try and live a normal life.
He then became her apprentice.. 100 years of her teaching him the etiquette of the surface and helping him to learn how to control his rage.
Now the Betrayer Whispers to him
Offers of power neither Elistraee nor Alustriel have offered.
The Strength to free his kin. :]

[errant crag]

The first Shrek movie is old enough to die in war and rent a car

[keen kestrel]

In a world that’s full of various species, humans are so foreign that much isn’t known about them, but I’d imagine it’s both amazing and terrifying that they can persevere through so much

[sleek cloud]

If I had to pick a subclass that embodies that I’d think oath of glory

[errant crag]

We're the cockroaches of fantasy species

There's just so many of us and we're so stubborn

[flint ledge]

Oooh deep character, sounds lovely

[keen kestrel]

That’s why I wanted to do devotion. It wouldn’t be about trying to gain glory yourself, but dedication to helping every person you meet achieve this

[woven flint]

Aye, I can't wait for his fall from grace

[keen kestrel]

More like a defensive oriented paladin who drags his teammates forward, even when death faces them

[flint ledge]

Imagine a setting where all the old species are terrified of humans because they viewed them as cockroaches trying to get rid of them but they keep surviving and adapting

[vivid pelican]

Anyways, I made a necromancer called "Mruk" that is so lonely that sometimes he summons skeletons as his therapists

[woven flint]

Anyway :3

[woven flint]

Mruk.
He's so real

Is he an Orc?

[flint ledge]

Why are you so evil towards your own creations?

[feral fulcrum]

Because they're an evil god, or Archfiend of some sort.

[woven flint]

Believe it or not, I'm often too kind.

I'm being offered the chance for Sovis to throw away everything he's worked for out of desperation by the dm.

I might as well

[sleek cloud]

Devotion always struck me as “doing the right thing because I’m a man of my word”

And glory like “I get knocked down, but I get up again, cuz you’re never gonna keep me down”

[flint ledge]

I like to imagine that Mruk just talks to the skeleton and it just sits there because they can't speak

[woven flint]

Mruk: "Rattle 'em, Boys!"

[flint ledge]

I personally think the oaths within the subclasses are meh. They all are basically pure goody 2 shoes

[woven flint]

Me when I twist the oath to be an evil man

[rough basalt]

Paladin oaths are definitely not all goody 2 shoes lol

It's mainly Devotion.

[woven flint]

Stares at Conquest in particular

[sleek cloud]

Agreed

[woven flint]

That's a mean one

[sleek cloud]

Conquest is just might makes right

[fossil hollow]

theres still room for twisting the meaning. Also, it is a Heroic Fantasy

[rough basalt]

Conquest is the "we wanted to make an Evil subclass but weren't legally allowed to."

[keen kestrel]

This is why I wanted to do a little bit of an oddball devotion paladin

[fossil hollow]

and yeah, Conquest exists

[flint ledge]

Yes yes I know, I'm just personally more of a fan of players and DM's working together for a more personalized oath

[fossil hollow]

i mean. Thats also assumed?

I have not read or held the tenets in strong favour for the longest time

[woven flint]

I'm gonna blame Ti for what's going on with Sovis

[rough basalt]

Fair.

[woven flint]

Ti, it's your fault!!!

[keen kestrel]

Not just being a goody 2 shoes for the sake of it, but pursuing an ideal that isn’t some form of morality, but rather a will that goes beyond that

[woven flint]

All of my characters are your fault! /joking

[fossil hollow]

that only shows to me a lack of responsibility for your own actions and accountability. Pathetic

/hj

[flint ledge]

Woah!

[keen kestrel]

But yeah, I wanted to go all in on being defensive too

[woven flint]

Nah, I'm ready for my cons to quence

[flint ledge]

Shots fired at tokii

[fossil hollow]

believe, me this wont be the last nor was the first

I cannot wait to see what Artanza does next

[rough basalt]

Mixed feelings about tonight's session.

[woven flint]

Be an old man

As usual

[flint ledge]

Oh my god...

[fossil hollow]

where were you all again in Waterdeep?

[keen kestrel]

I’m a little worried for y’all’s session

[woven flint]

Still in the first layer of the DOTMM

We were looking for.. someone? Something? I don't remember

[flint ledge]

Grahh tokii doesn’t pay attention!! Lynch him!!

[sleek cloud]

Tokii doesn’t pay anything

Or anyone

[woven flint]

I do, it's just been a few days, I'll remember on session day though, most likely

[fossil hollow]

all i remember is manticores

[crimson gulch]

I love dungeon of the mad mage, it has pushed me past so maby limits as a dm, it's number 3 on my will run again book list

[woven flint]

See, ti is the dm and he cant remember

[flint ledge]

Sounds about right

[fossil hollow]

yeah, just finished the troll fight

[keen kestrel]

I want to play in it, but I’m guessing it’s super heavy combat/puzzle based

[buoyant oar]

It's a very strange pairing with dragon heist because of that

[flint ledge]

(Of course I'm joking btw tokii)

[crimson gulch]

Not much for puzzles, and it's combat mid with how maby encounters can be shenanigans

[keen kestrel]

Shenanigans? That sounds pretty fun

[buoyant oar]

DOTMM is closer to Diablo than something like BG3

[rough basalt]

I think ima try and get Dungeon Alchemist.

[crimson gulch]

Yeh it's such a huge place full with people's and different factions, so much is going on down there. It's not just 1000 monsters in closets in a row

[buoyant oar]

Dooooo it

[keen kestrel]

Ohhhh, that makes sense

[rough basalt]

For when my brains in slim-creativity mode.

[keen kestrel]

So what I need to do is roll up a shenanigans based character

[fiery nimbus]

Excuse me WOTC what do you mean Arteficer doesn't learn Fog Cloud

[buoyant oar]

No, I'm good. Thanks I'm married

[crimson gulch]

Mad mage appoerently breaks a lot of dungeonmasters as well, the trick is to not let it be a slog where players turn over every nook ans craanny

[flint ledge]

I'm curious uritz, what's the hardest pre-written adventure in your opinion? (my guess would be Descend into avernus)

[buoyant oar]

0 out of 10 rage bait

[rough basalt]

Ye Dungeon of the Mad Mage is known for being easy to slog.

But with the right amount of tweaking it can be a blast.

[woven flint]

I didn't even notice them talking lol

[crimson gulch]

Tyrrany of Dragons and turn of fortunes wheel

[rough basalt]

I've just started ignoring this kinda stuff.

Tyranny of Dragon's is very messy.

[fiery nimbus]

To be honest, it happens so often you kind of just tune it out

[crimson gulch]

No it's not messy, it's just far to slim for what the vibe is, not nearly enough content to just run the book

[rough basalt]

Ah I've been told Hoard half is messy.

[fiery nimbus]

So anyway
Whats up with Arteficers being banned from Learning Fog Cloud

[crimson gulch]

Hoard is the better half

[lavish flame]

I'd argue both halves are messy tbh

[buoyant oar]

TOD also is trying to tell a story that the setting can do but wasn't designed to do.

[slender mason]

I'm curious how often people use Clubs

[rough basalt]

Ah I was told the fun doesn't start until Rise of Tiamat and about halfway through it.

[buoyant oar]

TOD is a dragonlance story.

[slender mason]

like outside Shillelagh

[fiery nimbus]

Are Arteficers really incapable of the high art of creating some dense mist?

[rough basalt]

It's beyond their technology

[keen kestrel]

Who’s excited for the reanimator artificer

[slender mason]

TWF, Crusher build I guess

[rough basalt]

I do find it weird they can't cast fog cloud

[woven flint]

Just play a Triton

[slender mason]

for sure

[woven flint]

Triton get fog cloud

[fiery nimbus]

I already picked Merfolk -_-

[slender mason]

curious to see what they changed from the UA

[keen kestrel]

Same

[woven flint]

So the worse version of Triton?

[slender mason]

hope Jolt to Life stayed

ideally slightly buffed, and maybe be clear on if the Golem or whatever gets Death Saves

[woven flint]

Jolt to life is pretty tame! I'm sure it did

[flint ledge]

Merfolk is a playable species?

[fiery nimbus]

yes

[sleek cloud]

I’m in DiA right now, nah

[fiery nimbus]

I like Merfolk better

[slender mason]

cause Jolt to Life is way better if it can be used on the pet

[fossil hollow]

Tomb of Annihilation be like

[buoyant oar]

It depends on how you qualify. Hardest

[slender mason]

Cantrip Healing basically

[buoyant oar]

You talking about most difficult to complete, most difficult to run, most difficult to play

[woven flint]

You can bring the Undead back with a spellslot
Without time needed, just an action

Unlike other pet subclasses

Which is fun

[flint ledge]

To complete I'd say, toughest encounters, riddles, traps that stuff

[keen kestrel]

You can also heal it with lightning spells technically

[slender mason]

no but Jolt to Life could bring it back to 1HP, and then also 1d4+Half Artificer Level healing

because Lightning damage

INT/LR but, cheaper than a slot overall

[buoyant oar]

TOA on meat grinder Is probably very high up there in terms of hard to complete

[woven flint]

Shocking Grasp is just free healing for it lol >:]

And it's on the Artificer spell list

[keen kestrel]

You’re RIGHT

That’s so freaking dope

[slender mason]

assuming you hit

you can't choose to let an attack hit you

[keen kestrel]

I mean, your pet is a willing target

[sleek cloud]

<rubs hands with electricity> CLEAR! <zap>

[woven flint]

Friend, it's got like.. 15 AC max

[keen kestrel]

So presumably they just elect to not dodge

[slender mason]

that isn't RAW

[woven flint]

You're not gonna struggle that much with it

[slender mason]

you can only choose to be hit by Save effects

[keen kestrel]

I’m pretty sure your dm would allow it

[flint ledge]

The nat 1 you're about to roll:

[woven flint]

Choose to fail*
There's a difference in wording that's crucial there

[keen kestrel]

If you’re taking your whole turn to heal the meager amount of hp your zombie has, the dm likely allows it

[buoyant oar]

Be a fighter:
hit hit hit
Action surge
miss miss miss

[keen kestrel]

This is why vex is so good now

[woven flint]

Be a Rogue:
Steady Aim -> Miss -> Nick Attack -> Miss

[keen kestrel]

Gotta get advantage, so the dm knows the universe hates you when you double miss like 3 times in a row

[flint ledge]

The double nat 1s are always comedy gold on checks with advantage

[sleek cloud]

Be a barbarian
Reckless attack with advantage
Miss
Miss
Enemy attack on you with advantage
Crit
Hit

[buoyant oar]

Archer
Attack with Sharpshooter -5
Miss
Attack without sharpshooter
Hit by +8

[sleek cloud]

Ah, old sharpshooter

[keen kestrel]

I mean, sounds like an old sharpshooter problem

[woven flint]

2014 Sharpshooter skill issue

[keen kestrel]

It’s hard to mitigate in early play

But -5 shouldn’t be a problem by like level 8

[woven flint]

Just hit your target, folks, it's not that hard

[sleek cloud]

Archery fighting style

[keen kestrel]

I know it can be knocked to zero, but reasonably you want a good chance to hit

[woven flint]

Magic Weapon spell attack bonus (if your casters are kind)

[severe fox]

Me and my friend easily made sharp shooter a non issue with me being a shepard druid

[keen kestrel]

By level 8, you should get to a plus 7 fairly easily

[severe fox]

advantage on any attack using my reaction

[woven flint]

Hell, even sometimes by level 5

[keen kestrel]

True

It sucks that they didn’t just give sharpshooter the GWM treatment in 2024

Better yet, make longbows and heavy crossbows work off str

[flint ledge]

It is a little silly that they work of off dex

[viral kraken]

would be nice to see the compound bows from 3.5 (whatever the ones that worked off strength were)

[severe fox]

Even the one str based ranged weapon works off dex lmao

[empty thicket]

the javelin?

[keen kestrel]

Tbh, longbows have huge draw force, so str is super necessary to pull them

[severe fox]

Oversized longbow

[keen kestrel]

I just wanna play an armored longbow user without having crazy stats

[severe fox]

it does 2d6+stregth mod in damage

you also need 18 strength to wield the weapon

[fossil hollow]

ah, the thing on a specific monster statblock

[keen kestrel]

Feels like they just don’t want a str based character to also have a ranged weapon

But like, plenty of dex characters can be frontliners and tank pretty effectively

[severe fox]

Still a vaild to compare it to other things as unlike other weapons a player can use it

[fiery nimbus]

I mean... just use Javelins

[fossil hollow]

its part of a very specific module

[keen kestrel]

It’s much easier to carry 20 arrows than 20 javelins

[severe fox]

Does that mean it just doesnt exist anywhere else?

[fossil hollow]

yes

[rough basalt]

Was gonna do my next game on Sundays but then remember it'll be football season before I realize it.

[keen kestrel]

And you can benefit from archery fighting style, amongst other things

[fiery nimbus]

you are pretty strong you will figure it out

[errant crag]

A character with high enough strength where they're considering Javelins over a Bow will have the carry capacity to handle the javelins

[keen kestrel]

I mean, still doesn’t change the fact that a longbow SHOULD be str based

[rough basalt]

Might have to do it on saturdays.

[severe fox]

me watching as absolutely no one tracks weight

[crimson gulch]

Be the change you want to see

[keen kestrel]

My dm does, but I also have a bag of holding

[rough basalt]

I do

[errant crag]

I've started tracking weight for my characters

I like it, it's fun for me

[fossil hollow]

God why am i always running into WEBP files when im trying to get pics for my dnd campaigns

[keen kestrel]

Of course, my dm also allowed a couple minor changes to weapons so I could use them

[near token]

how are you handling it?

[feral fulcrum]

I mean, not really? Should it have a strength requirement, yes, but it's aranged weapon, and thus Dex, because strength only helps to a point you're not making the bow any stronger by becoming Incredibly Turbo Buff, what matters more is placing your shots. And thus, Dexterity

[errant crag]

I do (15 x Strength) to find out my max capacity and then keep track of how much my stuff weighs

[fiery nimbus]

Help my DM is against my 3rd level Arteficer crafting Antimatter Rifle +1

[feral fulcrum]

For good reason.

[fiery nimbus]

I don't know, sounds unreasonable

[viral kraken]

then what help could you possibly need? it sounds like the dm has it covered

[near token]

I've been fiddling with some ideas regarding weight tracking, but I'm not sure if what I landed on is ergonomic

[feral fulcrum]

Then ragequit the camapaign.

[near token]

Because I want the containers that you equip to expand the amount that you can carry

[fiery nimbus]

no i will do the second best thing and start manufacturing ammo for it

[flat monolith]

maybe ask if a recipie could be given as part of a quest reward, maybe multiple quests to get all ingredeints.

[flint ledge]

Asdx immediately giving the most unhinged advice

[fiery nimbus]

nuh uh, Arteficer can craft it as a feature
its clearly intended for Arteficer to have it at level 3 by WOTC

[flat monolith]

no, that weapon is an optional rule in 2014

[harsh dragon]

Sometimes, I feel like my fellow player doesn't read the entire paragraph... Today he spoke to me, saying he's selected the Boon of Exquisite Radiance as his level 19 epic boon. He talked about how excited he was that the boon maxes out all his radiant damage. That struck me as a strangely overpowered boon, so I dug into the actual text... the boon only applies to one damage roll per long rest.

[fiery nimbus]

its in core rules of 5.5

[frail wasp]

you need a sarcasm tag

[sleek cloud]

That one’s on him for sure

[feral fulcrum]

I mean, that's still plenty powerful, and reason to be excited?

[keen kestrel]

Fair, but it would feel better to have a ranged option that isn’t javelins

[fiery nimbus]

yes but its order of magnitude different than expected

[flat monolith]

its your dms world they can say no, that is a very strong weapon

[flint ledge]

I don't think the +1 is the issue

Just a thought...

[fiery nimbus]

how dare they, its clearly by the book Raw and RAI both

[flat monolith]

again dms world, they have power over wether anti-matter rifles exist

[feral fulcrum]

Are you sure he's not at all mistaken, and that you're just misinterpreting their words? Because they're very probably just talking about how it effects All the damage dice when they use something that does Radiant Damage.

[fiery nimbus]

I don't know, my Arteficer feature says they do

[keen kestrel]

Reading can be difficult

[flint ledge]

You're right how dare the DM not allow anti matter rifles

[viral kraken]

i'm looking and it says to treat the futuristic items as very rare magic items, which means there is no +1 variant right?

[keen kestrel]

Spellfire adept feels like a better feat than that boon does lmao

[feral fulcrum]

And the DM has the Final say on everything. If you feel like arguing with them purely for your benefit, well, good luck with that, and hope you don't mind being swiftly punted from your table?

[fiery nimbus]

yup, clear overreaction

[errant crag]

I've actually never looked at the stats of the antimatter rifle

What's it's damage dice

[buoyant oar]

6d8

[fiery nimbus]

6d8 Necrotic Damage each shot

[errant crag]

That's wild

[keen kestrel]

I just read it, it is ALL dice on one spell per long rest

[feral fulcrum]

And it's weird that it's Necrotic.

[sleek cloud]

Paladin with Spellfire adept and that boon though, that’s one hell of a smite

[errant crag]

I guess since it's antimatter

[flat monolith]

it is weapon from the dmg therefore the dms descion

[keen kestrel]

So like, that’s still pretty crazy, especially if it’s on a spirit guardians that’s upcasted

[fiery nimbus]

its Antimatter, not Antimaterial Rifle

[buoyant oar]

That is why it and modern guns are in the DMG and not in the PHB with Muskets and pistols.

[harsh dragon]

This was what he said in our discord server:

With the way it's looking with epic boons I'm gonna forgo the 2 dip into fighter so at lvl 19 I can take exquisite radiance as all radiant damage does the max damage on the die ergo sacred weapon attacks which make all weapon damage radiant plus any buffs and smites mean Darvin will be a walking holy hand grenade
"sacred weapon attacks" kinda suggest he thinks it applies multiple times

[feral fulcrum]

Slightly incorrect, on any roll that does Radiant damage. Weapons included.

[flint ledge]

In all honesty making the DM add anti matter rifles will probably result in you being disintegrated by goblins with anti matter rifles

[keen kestrel]

You’re right, it’s even crazier

[feral fulcrum]

And Anti-matter isn't Negative Energy, or Zombie Juice.

[keen kestrel]

True strike in fact lets your weapon do radiant damage

[buoyant oar]

If included the advice is to make the Antimatter rifle a Very Rare level item.

[fiery nimbus]

Funny he did mention that

[keen kestrel]

Time to brew a true strike radiant damage rogue

[fiery nimbus]

I was ready to take that deal but my party members were reluctant

[flint ledge]

I can't imagine why...

[fiery nimbus]

I think they know something i don't

you think Sap mastery feature is the problem with Antimatter rifle?

it does seem strong

[feral fulcrum]

You can always just ask them politely to make sure they know it's only once a long rest.

[viral kraken]

no probably that there is no +1 variant of it, since it is already very rare where it does exist

[harsh dragon]

Yeah I just pointed it out to him

[errant crag]

Ask if you can have it do a worse damage type like thunder or radiant

[feral fulcrum]

Maximized damage is never something to scoff at.

[buoyant oar]

what is the the artifcer feature that lets them craft antimatter ammo?

[scenic zinc]

Honestly, they're talking about level 19 and 20. Who cares at that point?

[flint ledge]

I can't wait for some assassin rogue build getting max damage

[fiery nimbus]

Ammo, there is non
i wanted to use it as an improvised weapon

[feral fulcrum]

They don't actually have a feature for it. Artificer Create Magic Item doesn't do single-use items IIRC.

[scenic zinc]

They're building for tier 4 when most campaigns never get there

[keen kestrel]

Sadly can’t make sneak attack radiant damage

[fossil hollow]

Does a Repeating Anitmatter Rifle even work?

[scenic zinc]

And even moreso they're building for capstone

[keen kestrel]

At least until they make a faith based rogue

[errant crag]

It sounds like they just recently got to level 19 since they're getting a boon they were excited for

[fossil hollow]

you can if your weapon deals Radiant

[flint ledge]

Aw shucks

[keen kestrel]

Wait really?!

We’re BACK @flint ledge

[fiery nimbus]

you can only craft the +1 variant, meaning there is some difficulty with double infusing it

[buoyant oar]

And I don't think Energy Cells are magical anyway

[fiery nimbus]

Oh well, they didn't say anything about Laser Rifle so i will go with that i guess

[scenic zinc]

Not how I read it, but even then - who cares?

[sleek cloud]

Brother.

[keen kestrel]

Time to crit true strike sneak attack, then max it all out and double it at level 20

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah, Sneak Attack is based on the weapon damage type of the thing you're using.

[sleek cloud]

Ask your dm what guns they will allow lol

[errant crag]

I summon the Giant Fly from the DMG as my Familiar with Find Familiar (it's a CR 0 beast)

[viral kraken]

no, it's not eligible for repeating shot

[feral fulcrum]

So if the weapon itself does Radiant, it adds Radiant, if it does fire, it adds fire, etc etc.

[fossil hollow]

ah

and if youre able to get Force damage on a weapon.

Sneak Attack deals Force

[flint ledge]

What if it does fire and piercing for example?

[fossil hollow]

You pick iirc

[fiery nimbus]

i mean, they didn't specifically ban them so...

[sleek cloud]

ask them

[keen kestrel]

what’s even funnier is a rogue can use the sun sword

[fossil hollow]

seeing how they specifically gave it finesse...

[errant crag]

My Rogue players went into Tomb of Horrors loaded up with Flametongue Rapiers

[fossil hollow]

i feel like thats intended

[feral fulcrum]

Well, strictly speaking, anyone can use it, since you can train weapon profficiencys

[keen kestrel]

Time to sneak attack Strahd

[woven flint]

You should still ask anyway
They probably haven't accounted for those

[fiery nimbus]

Eh, its probably no problem

im sure they will be fine if i surprise them with a Laser Rifle in the first combat encounter

[woven flint]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or are actually clueless.

[flint ledge]

How to be strangled within the first encounter of the campaign:

[fossil hollow]

knowing Cookies, its the former

[flint ledge]

Sarcasm

[buoyant oar]

I believe MasterCookies is giving chat a bit of a run around

[fiery nimbus]

ouch

[sleek cloud]

Either I’m getting baited or he means it. Either way I’m jus gonna chalk it up to “best of luck with all that”

[fossil hollow]

I have not seen any other tone

Actually, that might be because text doesnt do tone...

[woven flint]

put tone tags, damn you!

[buoyant oar]

No /s

[fiery nimbus]

I speak with the same intonation as in text, i do excel in deadpan delivery

[keen kestrel]

Never! /j

[flint ledge]

I'm getting a bit of a deja vu on this topic I am pretty sure cookies has spoken of this exact topic before

[scenic zinc]

I have no idea how that could help.

-# jk

[sleek cloud]

You gotta put some spice in your text

[fiery nimbus]

let me check

[keen kestrel]

Spice? I’m hungry now

[woven flint]

I'm gonna start being hateful and spiteful smh

So.. more me, essentially

[sleek cloud]

Promise?

[fiery nimbus]

yes i did spoke about Antimatter rifle at 27/02.2024

[feral fulcrum]

The Spice Must Flow- wait wrong franchise

[errant crag]

Cookies has been around long enough that he knows what he can and can't get

[fossil hollow]

get out of my head

[flint ledge]

Then it could have been somewhere else.

[fiery nimbus]

Matter of convincing the DM really

[flint ledge]

Or I secretly hallucinate

[fiery nimbus]

But yes i am smart and i know the key is the communication so i would never spring something like that on the DM
I usually disclose my tools and my plans to the DM so they can plan around them and give me moments to use them

whats the use of having feather falling if you don't convince the DM to toss you off the cliff as i always say

[keen kestrel]

I can make that spice run in 12 parsecs!

Wait, still the wrong franchise

[sleek cloud]

Well played then cookie

[errant crag]

You can summon the Giant Fly from the DMG as your Familiar because it's a CR 0 beast, and it's large with a fly speed of 60ft

Just a matter of convincing the DM

[keen kestrel]

Or fly

[woven flint]

I'll make sure you specifically DON'T have feather falling when I throw you off a cliff

[fiery nimbus]

You can? i usually go with Elephant Snail

[flint ledge]

Not this conversation again

[limber trail]

One of my players bought a feather token and so now I’m determined to throw him off an airship multiple times

[flint ledge]

This is like the second time today we've argued about this

[fiery nimbus]

Aye
DM needs to have your tools in the forefront of their mind for you to use them often

[errant crag]

Just a matter of convincing the DM

[fiery nimbus]

Everything is a matter of convincing the right person

[woven flint]

If I ask to do something and I can't do it, I just don't do it
I dunno, guess I'm built different /silly

[scenic zinc]

Nah

[fiery nimbus]

not with that attitude

[errant crag]

Dungeon Master, for my choice of Martial Weapon from the Fighter starting gear I choose a Vorpal Sword because it's a martial weapon ☝️🤓

[fiery nimbus]

Keyword "Often"

[scenic zinc]

I make situations not solutions

[limber trail]

I present really broad problems. My players find ways to solve them that include the things they can do. I’m not here to play their characters for them

[fiery nimbus]

Correct but you as all DMs do not want to kill your players... well most DMs don't want to kill their players @crimson gulch is an exception

Ergo you won't present your players with an encounter they can not survive, the more tools they have the further the line of no return is.
But sometimes you forget what your players can do and misjudge where the line is supposed to be

[scenic zinc]

Nope.

I'm entirely okay with their character dying.

[fiery nimbus]

Okey with Dying is not the same as trying to kill them

[scenic zinc]

Sometimes I do make situations that will likely or definitely kill them.

It's not my call to run away. That's theirs.

[fiery nimbus]

oh, so its a pleasant surprise when they don't die

i guess its a way to go about it i suppose

[crimson gulch]

No matter what, your monsters should want to kill the players, at least some of the time

[fiery nimbus]

Stop feeding passers-by's to your monster manual

[errant crag]

Some monsters are very rude and want to kill them

[crimson gulch]

No

[keen kestrel]

I did in fact get thrown off a cliff after I took the fly spell

[scenic zinc]

bbeg == big bad evil guy. They're not there to be your friend or go easy on you.

Perhaps don't pick a fight with them at level 1

[fiery nimbus]

See. thats the spirit

Spirit Airlines

[stiff rock]

i just got back, is this a new shoot the monk discussion or the same one from a few hours ago?

[rough basalt]

Pulled the trigger, got dungeon alchemist

[errant crag]

Kill your players

[feral fulcrum]

The Fly spell doesn't actually help you survive being thrown off a cliff

[scenic zinc]

Yes. Shoot the monk. And everyone else too.

[stiff rock]

i do that more than enough

[fiery nimbus]

No, i pressed some buttons in the chat and it rebooted

[feral fulcrum]

As it's not a Reaction, like Feather Fall.

[stiff rock]

i mean, if you're falling for more than a turn

[crimson gulch]

If you don't try to kill your players, they neve4 get to be cool heros thst come back from the brink of death and snack victory from the jaws of defeat

[scenic zinc]

More accurately, be willing to.

[keen kestrel]

I mean, assuming you don’t hit the ground 6 seconds later

[feral fulcrum]

Then you'd need more then a cliff. given you fall like 200 feet instantly.

[errant crag]

If it's a far enough fall I can potentially cast it using my action while I fall

[fiery nimbus]

afraid we have no falling rules

so you splat instantly

[feral fulcrum]

Or was it 500 feet?

[crimson gulch]

We do have falling rules, 500 foot a round

[keen kestrel]

My b, I’ll not call it a cliff. It was more like a mountain

[errant crag]

You shouldn't be willing to kill your players

You should be willing to kill their characters

[scenic zinc]

-# it's all, or 500 ft per round using xgte

[fiery nimbus]

oh they printed some, neat

[fossil hollow]

What do you mean I cant kill my players

[stiff rock]

i mean, as a dm i'd almost definitely say "yes you can cast fly this turn since you've just been thrown off a cliff" and just take their actiona way the next turn

[errant crag]

Murder is illegal

[crimson gulch]

Not till you kill me

[fossil hollow]

... gimme a moment

[fiery nimbus]

i didn't say you can't
I say you usually do not go out of your way to

[errant crag]

Alright then I attack the enemy at the start of his turn

[scenic zinc]

Har har har you knew exactly what I meant.

[fossil hollow]

gotta hide all the evidence

[stray atlas]

question

[crimson gulch]

Natural 40 hardcore games are a real thrill

[stray atlas]

are there any chromatic dragons themed around force?

[fossil hollow]

answer

[flint ledge]

Uritz trademarked killing players

[fiery nimbus]

What have i done, all the DM's now coming out of the woods to defend their right to toss feather falling-less parties off of cliffs

[crimson gulch]

I tossed a level 3 barbarian off a bridge last Wednesday, 20d6 falling damage

[errant crag]

I don't check if they have feather fall before throwing them off the cliff I just throw them off the cliff

[stiff rock]

i threw myself off a cliff as a level 3 barbarian

[feral fulcrum]

No, because Chromatic Dragons are element based, and Force isn't an element.

[keen kestrel]

Tbf, they could probably survive it

[scenic zinc]

Exactly.

That's the right way to go about it.

[keen kestrel]

Wait, is falling bludgeoning damage?

[stiff rock]

what else would it be?

[stray atlas]

then what is it?

[errant crag]

Yeah

[fiery nimbus]

are you at least balancing the cliffs hight against their max hp?

[scenic zinc]

If they have the tools to survive, cool. If not, that's also fine.

[stray atlas]

depends on what they fall on

[errant crag]

The world does not take into account the resilience of its mortal inhabitants when forming mountains and cliffs

[fiery nimbus]

You are the world

[scenic zinc]

This is the way.

[keen kestrel]

I mean, falling on a pointy rock doesn’t seem like it’d be bludgeoning damage

[flint ledge]

I don't think there's much thought put in, player in bad position, cliff. Player falls down cliff

[feral fulcrum]

Probably an untyped dragon that doesn't fall under standard classifications 😛

[errant crag]

I like to put obviously super dangerous stuff in front of my players to see if they do the obviously super dangerous thing

[stray atlas]

I'm asking what force is

if not an element

[feral fulcrum]

Force is Magical Damage, Pure Magic

[keen kestrel]

I’ll jump RIGHT off the cliff thanks

[fossil hollow]

Force Dragons are in the same category as Prismatic and Time; Epic Dragons

[stiff rock]

force is pure magic concentrated into damage

[feral fulcrum]

Magic Turned Pure Ouchie

[crimson gulch]

6mim8m8f

[fiery nimbus]

You can't feed your party to the ravine's and than go to the local tavern to get more adventurers, i forbid it

[keen kestrel]

It’s the weave given physical form ez

[scenic zinc]

The description in the phb is "magic"

[errant crag]

What if I set expectations at session 0.
"Hey guys you could instantly die if it would be funny to"

[exotic sinew]

Heyo long time no see.

I have a dumb question.

I was looking at “affordable” ways to get minis as a starting point to get into dming. I came across this thing called paper minis. At first I was like fantastic that’s great but then it dawned on me that from any other angle other than front on they would look like a line cause well it’s paper.

Are these still viable or should I look into something better?

I also say in the same thing props and sets and stuff that you can print and it has like “nets” that you can fold and make buildings or walls and that i thought was pretty cool.

[keen kestrel]

That’d be something to see

[scenic zinc]

You actually 100% can

[flat monolith]

no that is the amathyst gem dragon

[fiery nimbus]

they have rights you know, Tyr is gonna hear about this

[feral fulcrum]

Ah, Amathysts do Force damage? Neat.

[errant crag]

Adventurers are free. You can just like go to the tavern and pick them up and take them on adventures.

[scenic zinc]

I'm tyr. I'm all the gods.

Gunna report me to me?

[fiery nimbus]

Oh good you are here, Azerick is telling me they are just tossing Adventurers off the cliffs for fun

[scenic zinc]

It's fine

[errant crag]

I cast Gift of Gab

[feral fulcrum]

The Pale Night would like a word with you.

[fiery nimbus]

talked with Tyr, he agreed with you somehow

[scenic zinc]

lul

[errant crag]

I cast Augury to see if falling off this 400ft drop would be a good idea

[fiery nimbus]

It probably won't be but you will do it anyway

[errant crag]

Ritual cast, don't wanna waste a spell slot

[scenic zinc]

Indifference

[keen kestrel]

I do

[errant crag]

Augury unironically would have saved a character of mine who fell off a cliff to his doom

[exotic sinew]

Nvm I will ask later today it is okay sorry to bother you all

[keen kestrel]

I love wasting spell slots on pure nonsense

[errant crag]

You're not bothering us just because you didn't immediately get an answer

[fiery nimbus]

nah we are just trolling around until we get something new to argue about

[errant crag]

Rangers should be an Intelligence based class instead of Wisdom

[fiery nimbus]

im just particularly talented at poking the hornets nest

[keen kestrel]

Yes yeah, and warlocks should be int based too

[errant crag]

That's absurd

[keen kestrel]

It’s really not

[errant crag]

I'm really offended right now

[keen kestrel]

They gotta be smart enough to write their name on the contract

[scenic zinc]

Perception, Survival, Animal handling, Medicine are all wisdom though

[keen kestrel]

[scenic zinc]

Those are all necessary for a good survivalist

[keen kestrel]

Wait, wisdom is good for ranger

[scenic zinc]

Which is what rangers are

[fiery nimbus]

nah, Cross will suffice

[errant crag]

Erm flavor is free your Ranger doesn't have to be a survivalist

[keen kestrel]

Why did I agree with you, that’s nonsense

[woven flint]

My Ranger is a bounty hunter for the Zhentarim

[feral fulcrum]

Oops All Wizards again.

[keen kestrel]

Don’t rangers get powers sort of how Druids do?

[scenic zinc]

That's the archetype the whole class is built on, whether people like it or not

[crimson gulch]

Yeah, they are wisdom bases spellcasters

[errant crag]

You're right

Barbarians should be Wisdom based as well

[keen kestrel]

See, this I kind of agree with

[feral fulcrum]

Ah yes my Wisdom makes me super strong and super tough...

[keen kestrel]

Any of the strange barbs should have Wis tertiary

Like world tree

[scenic zinc]

I think barbs should simply be allowed to use their str for certain cha checks

[fiery nimbus]

let me cast Karsus Folly and ask Mystra about it

Wops

[scenic zinc]

Moreso than just the "dm can allow it" way

[errant crag]

They can in 2024 PHB

They can use strength for intimidation while raging

And a few other skills

[scenic zinc]

That's terrible.

You shouldn't have to be raging

[keen kestrel]

It doesn’t have to make sense LOL

[errant crag]

Well they also made it so that you can use a bonus action to continue your rage and you get 1 rage back on short rest so raging out of combat isn't a complete meme

[scenic zinc]

I'm not talking about it making sense narratively. I'm saying its bad mechanically

[keen kestrel]

I’d agree, but here we are

[errant crag]

Now they can rage for utility outside of combat

[scenic zinc]

Right... and then be out of Rages by the time they actually need it

[errant crag]

Maybe if you're bad at resource management

[keen kestrel]

Rage is a really bad name for it if we’re being honest

[scenic zinc]

While clerics can use wis for certain int things without consuming any resources

[crimson gulch]

Rage comes back on a short rest now and lasts a lot longer

[scenic zinc]

I'm aware of that. It's still a bad decision that wotc made that requires the resource utilization, in my opinion.

[crimson gulch]

It's actually been great at the table, lead so some great rp moments

[fossil hollow]

Ive used it a lot more freely for Intimidation checks and Survival checks

[scenic zinc]

I think it shouldn't require raging is all. I like that they can use str for more things

[fickle heart]

It's a bit of a lose-lose, IMO. It's probably too much to just get to use Strength for every skill that Rage enables, but the more skills that can use Strength without Rage, the less appealing it is to use Rage for that purpose.

[rough basalt]

I think it's fine where it's at.
If there was no rages back on SRs on the other hand.

[reef tundra]

I like it. Plus making them strength checks lets rage give you advantage on them too

A part of me misses when you could only extend rage if you are hit or hitting someone, since it fit the flavour and feel so well, but I can’t complain about longer rage

[short brook]

Oh man we're talking barbs

[reef tundra]

Yup

I like ❤️

[errant crag]

I love Barbarians

Favorite martial class

[keen kestrel]

I'll let you guess what my fav martial is

[errant crag]

Rogue

Ranger

[keen kestrel]

clearly it's ranger

[errant crag]

Fighter

[keen kestrel]

but no, I love paladins

but like... non traditional ones

[glass granite]

Dexadins?

[errant crag]

What is a traditional paladin and what is a non traditional paladin

[keen kestrel]

Like big guy in heavy armor, touting justice and all that

The most righteous crusader

[errant crag]

I need to play another Paladin

I need to play an Earth Genasi paladin

[keen kestrel]

in a more general sense, I like subverting ideals

[glass granite]

I see

[errant crag]

All my noteworthy paladins have been Genasi paladins whose names started with G

[keen kestrel]

good news, there's a really good on theme subclass for you now

[summer thistle]

Why have we never seen dragon eggs well I haven’t… are they under the gold?

[errant crag]

I'm thinking Guillermo for my Earth Genasi Paladin
My Water Genasi paladin was Guadalupe and my Air Genasi paladin was Gustalfo

So I think Guillermo is an on brand name for my Earth Genasi Paladin

Eventually I'll need to make a Fire Genasi paladin but Flame Blade is just so mid

[keen kestrel]

Noble genie paladin makes this so fun

[errant crag]

I really hate Flame Blade so much. It just doesn't really work with anything. It acts like a weapon but it's a magic action to make a melee spell attack, so I can't even extra attack or smite with it.

It doesn't even count as any kind of weapon like Shadow Blade does

Wish they'd gave Fire Genasi any other fire spell

Scorching Ray was right there

It was right there

[reef tundra]

Oh what 😭

Bg3 really spoiled me with its version of flame blade woah

[errant crag]

It's also just not even a very good melee option for a full spellcaster

[feral fulcrum]

Mind you Shadowblade stills sucks, because they changed Melee Cantrips to require Costed Weapons...for no particular reason?

[crimson gulch]

Hoards aren't nests

[feral fulcrum]

I don't think WOTC knows what the heck they want to do with Melee Spells.

[errant crag]

It's still way better than Flame Blade by virtue of the fact that it counts as a weapon, has finesse, has light, has thrown, plays along with martial abilities that require melee attacks, it's just generally all around better than Flame Blade.

Flame Blade is just so dumb

[quaint heath]

waves

[reef tundra]

I would be very concerned if I saw someone store their kids in the same place they store their wallet

[feral fulcrum]

I'm pretty sure the only reason FLame Blade is still around because it's an Old, Iconic spell.

[errant crag]

It should have been changed in the 5.5e revisions

It's a nothingburger spell, a wasted cast

Not to mention it's concentration

Only time I'd ever even consider using it is on a 5.5e Alchemist Artificer who can add their modifier to the damage of spells that do fire damage

But if you're a 5.5e artificer you probably have a better melee option and a better use of a cast/slot

[empty thicket]

and be honest, what is more cool than a weapon in flames?

[crimson gulch]

I have quite a few druids use flame blade a lot

[errant crag]

It's not useless by any means

[feral fulcrum]

Several floating swords.

[errant crag]

But it annoys me how it just doesn't really interact with almost anything in any fun way

Which mainly just bothers me as it's a racial spell for Fire Genasi

If it was just the spell in a vacuum I wouldn't care but it being the racial spell for Fire Genasi just feels so bad

[late hare]

I have never played a game of dnd in my life

But I've been in here almost a year

I domt even think I've touched dnd before

[woven flint]

A Blade not blocked by any barrier and can crit on 17-20

Looks at Blade of Disaster

[errant crag]

I really gotta make that Earth Genasi paladin though

[quaint heath]

If only it was easier to find a DND group 💔

[short brook]

unfortunately a true statement

[quaint heath]

It's even harder when you're a minor

Because the moment you find a game to play in and you'd be interested in it's always 18+

[lean wigeon]

you probably shouldn't be revealing your age on the internet

[quaint heath]

I didn't

[ripe nimbus]

i understand your frustration but also consider it from the other perspective: adults like playing with other adults. there's so much more we need to be careful of if we're playing with minors

[lean wigeon]

i mean like you probably shouldn't be telling people ur a minor on the internet

[woven flint]

What if they were a crafter?

[ripe nimbus]

why not ask your school friends to play d&d with you?

[quaint heath]

None of them are really interested into the stuff I'm into

[reef tundra]

While I do agree that flame blade is pretty bad, I also don’t care if players take it or not. Because we don’t always have to pick the optimal option. If they still like it after using it, then that’s good for them! If they don’t like it and wish to switch to another, then that’s also great for them!

[errant crag]

If your friends aren't interested in D&D then don't try to convince them to be

[lean wigeon]

minecraft

[errant crag]

D&D kinda needs everybody to be bought in

[quaint heath]

Plus I live in a small town and theres not a lot of people to interact with anyway

[ripe nimbus]

most of the friends I first played d&d with weren't super nerdy about fantasy and rpgs beforehand, we were just trying something new out and having fun with it

[reef tundra]

Hey I’m sure you’ll find a game eventually. I found a bunch of online games when I was under 18

-# Ignore the typo, I’m not that old yet 😭

[errant crag]

I never said I wouldn't let my players take it or that people shouldn't take it, I'm expressing my own disappointment with the spell.

[reef tundra]

Oh yeah don’t worry, I wasn’t thinking you were. It’s valid to vent when it’s a bad spell

And with lots of missed potential

I just wanted to send a message to others watching.

[woven flint]

Flameblade likers vs Vampiric Touch Enjoyers

[quaint heath]

That's how it started out at first but then everyone moved away

[errant crag]

At least Vampiric Touch heals you

[woven flint]

(I enjoy Vampiric Touch)

[ripe nimbus]

daw

'tsokay you'll find something

[reef tundra]

Hey like I said, I found games before I was 18

[short brook]

Tis possible

[errant crag]

My game I run on Fridays has a minor player in it

It's the Stranger Things starter set

[indigo grotto]

im new to dnd, and i tried to get my friends to play dnd, but were so butt at the game, we js bull it.
Also they keep calling me nerd 😢.
What do i do?

[errant crag]

Don't play with them

[reef tundra]

Yeah, get out of there

[short brook]

Curse their bloodline

[quaint heath]

What chadblad said

[errant crag]

Post about it on reddit

[reef tundra]

”I’m making a call out post on my twitter.com!” /ref

[limber trail]

This guy likes vampires

Smh

No vampire fans allowed

I think I’ll make my players fight vampires tonight actually

[mystic lodge]

Smh so much vampire hate

[woven flint]

Me when one of my characters is potentially going to become a vampire soon

[lean wigeon]

how do i make my favorite character naruto in dnd