dnd-discussion

[limber trail]

You had the criminal players

We've had this conversation before

[severe rampart]

Did we?

my memory isn't great

[cinder timber]

i have several questions lol

[limber trail]

i think so, I definitely got told about someone's crimes

[tame estuary]

it's the mindset itself I think, talking to you is a landmine, I genuinely have to be careful because I mess up my words a lot

I don't enjoy when someone does the logistics cheesing in play instead of doing it outside the game time because then it's hard to focus on the things that really matter, the things I prep for are not your interactions with the hard nitty gritty, the things I prepare for could go away if you interact and remove the nitty gritty. now the previous tension of time management was gone, in it's place a random encounter

[severe rampart]

Here's the list, Attempted Breaking and Entering, Breaking and Entering, Murder, Coercion, Assassination, Arson, Inciting Violence, Theft, Burglary, Manslaughter, Destruction of Property, Harassment

[worn skiff]

Not all players, but some are really bad at finding alternatives other than like; killing npcs. Had to do some crazy work with the big bad just save the hide of a warlock who utterly failed a sneak attack on a guard 🥀

[cinder timber]

logistics cheesing?

[worn skiff]

Absurdly awkward to try and stab someone only for their armor to block it

[tame estuary]

if you'r curious just follow the thread

[severe rampart]

Also add in "trying to wreck a marriage" if that's a crime

[hot marlin]

This is all very abstract, I still don't get it.

[ripe nimbus]

“buying horses and wagons and feed for them and hiring guards to protect them” isn’t logistics cheesing, it’s just logistics

[cinder timber]

from ur response, sounds like people scrutinizing ur words

[limber trail]

it's a moral crime presumably

[hot marlin]

That's a midemeanour at worst.

[ripe nimbus]

that’s what the logistics part of the game is

[severe rampart]

The list gets longer if we add in moral crime

[hot marlin]

And where I come from, homewrecking is considered a moral duty

[tame estuary]

I scrutenize them myself, it happens often

also I'm familiar with incubus

[flint ledge]

They've been busy

[limber trail]

My party has definitely commited acts of treason, heresy, and arguably collusion with terrorists

[severe rampart]

that was in the span of one session. After arriving to a town.

[ripe nimbus]

ah. murderhobos i see

[worn skiff]

Placing my bets on one of them being the “terrorists” in question

[hot marlin]

I have a well-known tendency to want words to be used precisely, I admit

[severe rampart]

||Now that they've assassinated the political enemy of the burgomaster, a lot of things will change, for the worse||

[severe rampart]

Not murderhobos per say, they were just at the wrong place at the wrong time

[ripe nimbus]

murder?

[limber trail]

No actually, they talked the terrorists down. I'm being very generous with my descriptions. They did do those things but for the greater good and in the interests of helping the world. I just find it funny to describe it as terrorism

[ripe nimbus]

wait is this a theyve been framed plotline

[severe rampart]

Intentionally killing cultists

[limber trail]

although one of them kissed the terrorist's sister

[severe rampart]

They did those things, but the Burgomaster is saying that they did it as a crime and was not ordered to

you know, it'd be easier to say Burgermaster

[worn skiff]

Interesting, I’m sure this won’t have any future consequences!

[hot marlin]

While I'm not sure I understand all of what you're saying, after careful consideration I think I would agree that this needs to be done out of game rather than take time in game

[flint ledge]

One of my parties is currently investigating a crime in a town

[tame estuary]

and I disagree, if the DM wants it there, then it would be something we should see

[limber trail]

Actively planning them. It's gonna be great

[tame estuary]

if you wantto skip it just say so

[flint ledge]

While the other party has a necromancer continously trying to make a priest of lathander let her into the graveyard

[severe rampart]

it's so great when their actions have consequences

permanent consequences

[limber trail]

I give all of their actions consequences. My philosophy is just that the things that happen in the story happen as a result of the players actions. So consequences.

[worn skiff]

Sounds like that priest is having none of it lol

[severe rampart]

Next session, if they visit the burned down house of said political opponent to look for the treasure ||I'll make them roll investigation, on a low roll the treasure would have been burned by the fire||

[limber trail]

Which reminds me. ||They're gonna be departing on a mission to break out a political prisoner shortly... I wonder how I'm gonna blow that plan up. I'm thinking this is the right time for a certain Rakshasa to reappear... He'd plausibly want to assassinate the prisoner. Yeah, I might go with that||

[worn skiff]

I’m guessing you are both including spoilers for anyone participating in the campaign?

[limber trail]

yes

I have a couple players who look at these channels

[worn skiff]

Honestly didn’t even consider that there’d be full on parties here!

[limber trail]

I've got two who check these channels reasonably often and they'd both be awake about now

[severe rampart]

I can't wait to run this boss that has Battlemaster Maneuvers

[hot marlin]

Question: How are the players meant to know what the DM wants there?

[limber trail]

I've got a battlemaster(ish) boss, he's great fun

[tame estuary]

if the DM doesn't want something they won't run it

[limber trail]

had the players shaking with fear in his first appearance

[tame estuary]

the DM has the most control of what's going on in the session

[severe rampart]

||Monologue while sharpening his battleaxe, chop off a werewolf's head with a calm demeanor, approach the party and cut them free from their chains, let them get the first hit against him||

[limber trail]

That's awesome.

Mine's first appearance, him and his allies showed up and killed two of the party's allies (CR 16 Each) in one round flat, disintegrated the bodies and all. They're... not enthusiastic about the possibility of a proper fight with these guys.

[severe rampart]

Oh my.

that encounter will be fun to run I presume

[limber trail]

It was - ran it a couple weeks back

The real fight i've yet to run but it's on the horizon

[worn skiff]

Got a bunch of new players who are ultimately going to square off with a dragon! I have had much fun with the big bad’s ability to shift between being a dragon and a totally not suspicious humanoid

[limber trail]

Awesome, love dragon fights

[worn skiff]

Have to say throwing a dragon at a group of level 2 adventurers compared to a group of like lvl 15-20 adventurers changes the whole dynamic of an encounter entirely

Knowing that by end there should be about 10 level 10 players squaring up against the dragon and his minions by the end, I think it’ll be a relatively balanced fight

[severe rampart]

fought a dragon at level 5, it was my first dragon fight and it was so fun

[worn skiff]

I am pretty hyped for it, that said they have a ways to go before they realistically stand a chance against him lol

As it currently is they’re probably about a dragon sneeze attack away from a tpk

@lime cypress Hey saw you sent a dm request with a question, is it something you can ask here?

[lime cypress]

yeah sure lmao, i was just asksing if people wanted to do a quick little google form interview for my research. Since well, it was supposed to be with another group, but two from those groups dipped haha

[worn skiff]

I’ll probably decline myself but I am curious what you’re researching!

[severe rampart]

Can I please just say that don't randomly send DMs to random people? it can be a bit off-putting, especially since your last message was 5 months ago, not angry or anything just wanted to let you know

[worn skiff]

Yeah! It’s just safer to ask someone before dming them, and if you can say it in public more often than not that is the way to go! Not saying you are shady but there aaaaare some shady people out there

Which is why by default I don’t respond to most dms

[lime cypress]

yeah yeah i do get that.... i am sorry about it haha!

[worn skiff]

I forget sometimes that my auto react is 🚡

[past blaze]

It looks like a UFO abducting a ferris wheel car

[worn skiff]

I think that’s what “aerial tramway” is short for.

:UFO_abducting_a_ferris_wheel_car: might be too many letters

[minor cargo]

I’ve had to cancel 4 weeks of D&D games because I’m travelling for work (and I’m a different time zone - and also hotel wifi generally isn’t strong enough for VTT and VC).

[little basin]

Is wizard or sorcerer better, I’m the party spell caster and I don’t know which to choose

[glass granite]

That’s up to preference

[limber trail]

It varies. Both are fine. If you’re newer I’d go for wizard because it’s a little simpler without much of a power trade off

[past blaze]

it's basically down to what kind of character you want, which subclass you want to eventually take, which ability you want to use (for the character vibes), and which gimmick you want (spellbook or sorcery points)

[glass granite]

I like sorcerer more personally, but I also hold the unpopular opinion that Wizard are the least fun caster class for me

[worn skiff]

I could be wrong but it seems like sorcerer is pretty great if you’re wanting to really lean into hurting people with magic

While wizards may have a wider range of spells to pick from including some nifty utility ones

That said I think they both can effectively do the same job with the right set up!

[little basin]

What is more powerful in combat and a bit out if you have level 9 spells

[limber trail]

(Wizards are still really good at hurting people with magic)

[limber trail]

Oh boy I would not recommend learning a new class at 17th level or higher especially wizard or sorcerer

[worn skiff]

Fireball my beloved

[past blaze]

that's kinda just
magic being good at hurting people

[little basin]

The DM asked me to be the BBEG as my character so

[limber trail]

Wizard has the range you’re looking for though

[past blaze]

IMO casting chain lightning three times in a row is really cool

call me palpatine the way my favourite spell is

[limber trail]

The wham bam alakazam

[little basin]

How do you cast it 3 times in a row

[limber trail]

Three turns

[past blaze]

multiple turns

[worn skiff]

My players weren’t so much a fan of one of my previous boss fights casting it at all

Kind of valid tbh

[little basin]

Also is there any good dips for wizard I have 3 levels to spare

[past blaze]

round 1, i cast chain lightning
round 2, good old chain lightning, nothing beats that
round 3, catch them by surprise with a chain lightning

[limber trail]

Your first level could be in artificer if you really want to

[little basin]

I only have the players handbook

[limber trail]

But I would specifically make that your first turn to get con save prof. Really though, more levels in wizard because you will get more 5th, 6th, and 7th level spells

As well as more prepared spells

[worn skiff]

In theory could you could probably do this a fourth time if you wait till round 63!

[little basin]

The DM made me level 20 charchater to play as the bbeg

[past blaze]

nah on round 4 I cast chain lightning, mix things up

[limber trail]

My advice is always this:

• do you have a very specific idea of the exact thing you want out of a multiclass?
• if not, then mono class

Just be a level 20 wizard

[little basin]

Is that that good

[limber trail]

Yes

[worn skiff]

Level 20 wizards are plenty scary enough on their own

[little basin]

Really?

[past blaze]

yeah casters go crazy potent

[limber trail]

A bad multiclass is far worse than a monoclass

[worn skiff]

Ignore all of this, Barbarian + Wizard may be the play

[limber trail]

Careless multiclassing can make you actively worse

[hot marlin]

A good multiclass is most often only marginally better than a monoclass

[limber trail]

True…..

[little basin]

Rage is the main feature of barbarians and it makes it so you can’t cast spells

[limber trail]

(I’m going to be fully honest with you by the way. A level 20 wizard is not a super strong final boss, but that’s because no player character is ever going to be a strong final boss. Don’t expect too much out of your PC no matter what)

[worn skiff]

I cast “Throw Gnome Wizard”

[limber trail]

Put me down!

[past blaze]

yeah the thing about multiclass is you never get level appropriate things on new levels, from then on.

like a rogue gets evasion at level 7.

a multiclass into rogue? has to wait longer.

[little basin]

The dm allows some changes to be made to the definition of a PC’s limits any ideas on what I can add even a custom class spellcaster

[limber trail]

That’s starting to get into #homebrew territory and should be talked about with your DM

[worn skiff]

Main thing to consider is that players are designed to be with other players. This is especially obvious with turn economy

[little basin]

My DM allowed our party and me as the bbeg to full homebrew a lot of things

[worn skiff]

While bigger monsters can get away with having less actions than a full party due to their abilities and beefier set up

[past blaze]

A few things
You'd need a lot more HP to stand any ground against a party of PCs.
You'd need some other allies to help dilute their focus and even out the action economy.
You'd need some resilience against certain manipulative effects, so you don't get stunned and instantly kicked into the dirt.

[little basin]

If I had more than 20 levels what would you suggest muticlassing into

[opal wharf]

A CR 28 NPC

[limber trail]

I’ve got a question for you, obi-wan. If your character’s story ends with them failing everything they want and being killed by the other players, will you be satisfied?

[dim wasp]

huh

why is this server icon gone darker

[lavish flame]

advertising Ravenloft

[dim wasp]

ah ok hi gwyn

[worn skiff]

Is it just me or is it getting foggier in here?

[limber trail]

By choosing to be the BBEG you’re essentially committing to losing right out of the gate

[lavish flame]

hiwdy

[dim wasp]

hru gwyn?

[opal wharf]

BBEG is ment to be a tough fight and a PC just doesn’t have the things a monster stat block has like legendary actions, lair actions, minions to aid them

[little basin]

The idea is I am a PC turned evil and powerful and is competing allow side them for their end quest at the same time trying to kill them

[lavish flame]

doing well, got D&D tomorrow so im excited for that

er, well today for me

[dim wasp]

niceu whats its abt

[little basin]

Like I said my dm allows me to homebrew that kind of stuff

[limber trail]

Sure but if you’re the bbeg, the campaign by default is probably going to end with everyone killing you. Is that something you’re happy with?

[dim wasp]

now that you mention it you've got a point

[little basin]

Yeah in the end as they level up

[opal wharf]

Does the party know you are going to turn on them?

[little basin]

Yeas

[opal wharf]

So why are they questing with you?

[limber trail]

I would really just not encourage this. It’s the kind of idea that sounds awesome, but often ends in hurt friendships and disappointing endings

[opal wharf]

They have that meta knowledge and that will effect the way the campaign goes

[little basin]

It was an idea for one of us to become the bbeg after having very easy fights and I volunteered for after the half term

[lavish flame]

I play 2 session on Tuesdays. Wildemount (I run), the party just entered diplomacy with a group of Orcs that were driven out of their ancestral home by a White Dragon. They'll wrap that up and maybe try to kill the dragon. After Wildemount, I play in Eberron. We just wrapped up some business with our Barbarian's House Deneith heritage, and are now investigating a missing archpriest based on a handful of significant areas for her.

[worn skiff]

The execution can be challenging for sure, when it comes to any sort of pvp, which I am usually against in my own campaigns, I think the best move is making sure we’re all on the same page and fine with what is happening

And what could happen as a result

If not then maybe pvp shouldn’t be on the table in this circumstance

Honestly hearing you(obi) describe your campaign it does sound similarly chaotic to the first one I ran lol, I learned the hard way why homebrewing a ton as a new dm can go not as planned.

[fiery nimbus]

I love how cartographs can ignore cover for their allies. Any idea how to take the most advantage of it?

A lot of fog clouds and darkness clouds in the party is my first idea

[pastel jungle]

5.0

so, a player is asked to play a doppelganger npc ( of their character ) for a one shot..
it .. appears to be a ranger.. ( their ranger ) the whole part thinks its the ranger..
the dopple/ranger gets two attacks.. with its bow, at "apparent level of 4" if it is the same level as the party.. ( it should be the same level if it is indeed the ranger )

now.. imagine a new party member wanting to now join as a ranger, because they get two attacks with a bow.. ( remember allegedly sub level 5 ) and then starts a debate that since I allowed it , before, I have to allow it again...

what method would you use to circumnavigate the question, without tipping the party off.. that the dopple ranger was anything other then a ranger

( but she got to shoot twice, its only fair .. yadda )

I asked for any RAW , but alas I couldnt find any, and neither could dnd-rules find any RAW way to handle it

I do not want to use the "Because the DM said so Rule"

How would anyone suggest this is handled?

[worn skiff]

Is this a 5.5e deal?

[fiery nimbus]

Yea it's 5.5e artificer subclass

They can teleport to their allies and target them no matter the cover or sight

[worn skiff]

:o interesting! That sounds pretty nifty

[fiery nimbus]

It does though I fail the imagination to take the full advantage I fear. Any ideas outside of fog/pyrotechnics/darkness?

[worn skiff]

Would it apply to a character who is blind?

[fiery nimbus]

Yes though you are still cutting yourself from offensive spells since you can see your allies but can't see the enemies

[worn skiff]

True, thankfully all you need to know to cast fireball accurately is where your barbarian is standing!!!

[pastel jungle]

or tiefling or dragonborn depending on scales color

[fiery nimbus]

So besides killing your barbarian, any brilliant ideas?

[fiery nimbus]

Say that the Doppler has a magical bow that enables it

[worn skiff]

I should not have laughed at this so audibly, it’s too early where I am lol

[pastel jungle]

eww, but their character did not have any magical bow.. the dopple took the place of the character for a session, the session the ranger was captured.. it is lucky to be alive..

it also remembers nothing

[lavish flame]

the one shot character is still around?

[fiery nimbus]

He hit his head so hard he changed class into a fighter

[pastel jungle]

the player was asked to play a dopple for a one shot, and then back to the ranger after.

[worn skiff]

Aren’t other martials able to do two attacks per round fairly early on?

Like in terms of levels

[pastel jungle]

5th... they are all 4th

[fiery nimbus]

Yea basically all of them save for ranger

[pastel jungle]

were all

[worn skiff]

Fighter gets action surge which is close

But not the same

[fiery nimbus]

@pastel jungle so your problem is a ranger having 2 attacks and someone else wanting to roll the ranger?

[pastel jungle]

let me try again..

the one shot was of playing the dopple in place of their actual character.. then back to their character who had no memory of anything that happened, as it was unconcious the eintire time, and a prisoner of the dopple.

[fiery nimbus]

So now you have to deny that to the other guy else your doppelganger will be outed

[pastel jungle]

becaus e they saw, the ranger getting two attacks.with the bow, earlier then they should have..

[worn skiff]

Take this with a grain of salt but apparently gloom stalker rangers get an extra attack on the first turn of combat at level 3?

[pastel jungle]

once

[worn skiff]

Yeaaah

I’m shocked your players haven’t suspected anything you are clearly doing a lot of work to make it not so obvious lol

[fiery nimbus]

Wiggle your finger at the ranger sternly while the rogue pleads innocence saying they forgot

[pastel jungle]

there was some fighting, some arrows, some dice.. but that one player counted, and said.. if that ranger got two attacks at level 4 with a bow.. this was the class they wanted to play.. uhhg..

[pastel jungle]

yes.. far too much obfuscation..

[fiery nimbus]

Really the problem can be solved by ranger admitting they cheated since they are using meta knowledge

[pastel jungle]

ahahahahahah

[fiery nimbus]

Meta problem should be addressed in meta way

[lavish flame]

but the one shot is over, why is the doppelganger still relevant? like can't that just be revealed? you aren't playing the one shot nor those characters again, so surely thats a fine secret to reveal?

[pastel jungle]

I oops, shame we dont retcon.. might cause others to try to oops

[worn skiff]

I mean I guess the easiest way out would be to just admit you fumbled on accident and gave em two attacks unintentionally. From there you can either allow your level 4 ranger to have two attacks(probably not that busted tbh)

Or just use that as a reason why they don’t get two attacks at their level

[pastel jungle]

because they have yet to find out the truth.. that is .. well whenever the group of them.. actually figure it out? 🤷

[fiery nimbus]

What do you mean, it was honest mistake on the rangers side, they will apologise to you as if you didn't orchestrate this entire thing and nobody will be the wiser

[pastel jungle]

yeah, I can gamble on that working..

it might

[lavish flame]

is the one shot doppelganger pc part of the game you're running? how is this secret relevant after the one shot?

[pastel jungle]

44 years of DM'ing.. never had to deal with something so subtle and yet so apparent.

[worn skiff]

Doppelranger is admittedly a fun pun so I assume your players will ultimately forgive you when they find out the truth lol

[pastel jungle]

they still have no idea.. it wasnt the ranger the whole time.

[pastel jungle]

if.. err umm yeah when

[pastel jungle]

and yes.. a regular talented player.. who agreed to play the part..

[lavish flame]

i dont want to ask these questions a third time can you just answer them directly

[fiery nimbus]

Meta problem, you are allowed to deal with it in a meta way, it's fun since ranger is in on it so you can bull better

[worn skiff]

It’s easy for us dms to miss the obvious details which give away our super dubious and secretive plans.(Half the time I just accidentally blurt it out though so don’t trust me with secrets)

[pastel jungle]

the dopple used the players to kill its own enemy, someone who figured out it is a dopple.. but this time it covered its tracks.. now its enemy is dead, the party did the dirty work, and the player is back playing their ranger, and. no one is the wiser..

all because they trusted the ranger..

and still do

[lavish flame]

but this character, the doppelganger, they aren't showing up again, right?

[pastel jungle]

ok.. it is a regular player at the table.. they were captured by a dopple, the party was then used for the dopples agenda, and then the dopple left the character in the inn .. and skulked away.. the player is now no longer playing the dopple of their ranger and is actively playing their ranger who has no memory of any of it..

breath

the dopple can be hunted..

[worn skiff]

I think maybe the confusion is stemming from the fact that one shots are usually one session in length

But I assume this one shot is either longer or attached to a longer campaign?

[pastel jungle]

and made to answer for its actions.. if the party even remotely had a clue that anything out of the ordinary happened..

[vast saddle]

It's really tough to roleplay as an Orc

[pastel jungle]

one shot as a dopple.. I am sorry for the confusion

[prime basin]

Can I topple this dopple?

[pastel jungle]

which edition.. they started as pig men.

[vast saddle]

I tried my best to get responses on text roleplay, but damn

[worn skiff]

Yeah wording can do that, I get it LOL

[vast saddle]

5.5e. Man, everyone looks so human

[pastel jungle]

5,5 everyone is equal..

[vast saddle]

I still don't know how being a misfit is a good thing

[vast saddle]

Oh, mixed with 5e as well

[prime basin]

...so true...

[vast saddle]

I guess 5e is bad news because.....Orc's War God

[lavish flame]

so why is the fact that they're a doppelganger something that needs to remain hidden? if someone is inspired by their doppel-ranger, couldn't you just tell them "that wasn't a regular ranger, they were a doppelganger"? if the concern is that this doppelganger who is never showing up again might inspire a player to make that character, just nip it in the bud by saying it was an atypical PC

[vast saddle]

Every Orc can hear the god's call in 5e

[fiery nimbus]

I don't know, my merfolk doesn't look like human much

[pastel jungle]

so in close.. my question was not answered..

how would any of you .. suggest, handling the "yah no.. rangers dont get two attacks until 5th, sorry" situation it caused ( secretly I think ther player was trying to tip the hat to the party, and only one person caught on.. )

[worn skiff]

I think the doppelranger may appear again but notnin the same way

[dim wasp]

dwagon

[pastel jungle]

ohh they may hunt it down.. it could be anyone.

[dim wasp]

@lavish flamedo u get paid to dm/hj

[vast saddle]

Is anyone who can hear Gruumsh's call technically a bad person?

[lavish flame]

no i dont, i used to. how would you half joke a question like this?

[prime basin]

Is every chromatic dragonborn an evil person because they have chromatic dragon ancestry?

[pastel jungle]

hearing and answering is two different things

I hear my wife ask me to do things all the time...
I like to think I choose to sleep on the couch ...

[worn skiff]

Honestly if I was in this position and really wanted to keep the secret alive. I’d feign fault for just not knowing it. Of course the only issue with that idea is I have 4-5 years of experience and you have like 44 right? LOL

[dim wasp]

the joke is the payment lol

[worn skiff]

So it’s harder to believe that someone who has dmed as long as you have wouldn’t know that

[dim wasp]

the srs part is if u get paid how much

double ended

[vast saddle]

No idea, the Dragonborn in my server....kinda non-existent. All of the Dragonborn players only play once

[worn skiff]

Sooo you may have to just rely on photoshop or something to create a truly convincing hoax

[pastel jungle]

yeah.. as a dm.. we all have our first situations.. just because I have 44 years.. doesnt mean I am prepared for everything..

[prime basin]

Just because you are an orc doesn't mean you're evil

simple answer

[pastel jungle]

or intelligent !

[worn skiff]

It’s also easy to forget that sorta stuff too! I probably would!

[vast saddle]

If I answer the call, even just for once, what kind of Orc am I?

[dim wasp]

@lavish flame well actually let me rephrase
The joke is the payment,some people may not be willing to disclose their income or comfy with qns like that so hence the half joke
The srs part is how much u would get paid

[lavish flame]

Characters live and die as they enter and exit stage. The character has exited stage, so I'd just tell the other player what was up. "This was an atypical PC, they were playing a Doppelganger" seems reasonable to say to me.

[prime basin]

same goes for every race

[prime basin]

An orc who answered the call

[vast saddle]

Good or bad?

[pastel jungle]

thats it.. I can forget it happened, plausible designability.. she didnt attack twice a round did she? wow.. I forget !! BRILLIANT !!!

hehehe

[lavish flame]

im not following fr but I got paid 15USD/player every session. it was a nice eay to pay for D&D books

[vast saddle]

Sorry for being down. I got scolded really harshly yesterday for...damaging DM teams' property

[worn skiff]

I mean if you wanted to be really mean you could also like, gaslight your players though this can go catastrophically wrong

[prime basin]

What did you do?

[worn skiff]

Would not recommend

[dim wasp]

tbh even im a bit confused on how i phrased it

but u get what i mean dont u?

[pastel jungle]

I can have the dopple come back and use a new player, untill the dopple has used them all at one point and time.. eventually they may figure it out..

[dim wasp]

[insert buffering gif here]

[vast saddle]

Let me recall it. I nearly used a minister as a throwing weapon in a West Marches quest. It happened last week, but got scolded harshly yesterday

[dim wasp]

@lavish flamewhats ur fav class to play as?

[worn skiff]

Last time I altered a player’s memories they forgot how to do basic math. Really slowed sessions down

[lavish flame]

I'm a Wizard stan til I die

[worn skiff]

Having to wait for someone to calculate fireball damage with their fingers

[prime basin]

I think throwing an individual at an enemy isn't entirely evil. Make sure to just not do it to people you like

[dim wasp]

fair lol I find the wizard type a bit nerdy so i'd opt for something with more natural prowess

like sorc or druid

altho i do pick acolyte/scholar lmfao

[vast saddle]

Let me see....I got charged for emotional bleeding, damaging DM's property, nearly putting everyone into bad economics due to the storyline. Man, the dude was really pissed

[pastel jungle]

you never heard oif the story f the barbarian they called Dwarf Burner.. and really you shouldnt have, due to the party throwing him to the dwarves for safe passage.. it is a tale not often spoken by surface dwelers...

[prime basin]

emotional bleeding? damaging dm's property?

[vast saddle]

That was what he said

[cedar bane]

you got charged? like for a crime?

[prime basin]

Wth is emotional bleeding?

[dim wasp]

nearly making ur whole party broke?

[severe rampart]

When a drastic or emotional thing happens to a character you're playing and you start to feel it yourself as well

[dim wasp]

huh how!

[cedar bane]

emotions of character reflect on emotions of player, and vise versa

[pastel jungle]

question, I just noticed, is you avatar .. the "new snape" ? it is too small to be sure

[worn skiff]

Aha! Bleeding like, the emotions are bleeding into your own

[prime basin]

isn't that just OOC?

[dim wasp]

what are you

[lavish flame]

damaging DM's property?

[severe rampart]

It's an AI generated image of that, yes.

[vast saddle]

Yeah, I got my chances to get a quest way more difficult than before unless....I am actively doing text roleplay. Oh, yeah he said he kinda took it personally.

[pastel jungle]

ok thanks

[dim wasp]

PC = DM's property lmfao

[vast saddle]

All of the settings are homebrewed. So yeah, still counted as property damage

[cedar bane]

a person i think

[dim wasp]

you misunderstand I mean what class are you

also cool pfp

[prime basin]

So by throwing a minister in a online game, your party got fined for damaging a dm's property?

[cedar bane]

uh right now? im playing a rogue

[worn skiff]

This is like much funnier if this was an entirely online session/campaign

[cedar bane]

hes so cool

[worn skiff]

Because it implies you did damage somehow digitally

[prime basin]

How do you get fined in a game for damaging something belonging to someone outside the game?

[lavish flame]

sp its like property as in Intellectual Property?

[vast saddle]

Kinda.

[vast saddle]

Yes

[pastel jungle]

well thank you all who participated in helping me better obfuscate the dopple ranger to the party.. as I am old I can feign "recollection problems" and move on..

[lavish flame]

thats a mite ridiculous

[worn skiff]

Unless by pc you meant player character, and not personal computer

[cedar bane]

i mean unless they have an established copyright then they cant really charge with anything

[pastel jungle]

yeah player character or personal computer.. vastly different

[prime basin]

Question was this like a physical property or just in game property?

[vast saddle]

It's West Marches, every act has it's own long-term consequences

[cedar bane]

i cast feeble mind (zip bomb)

[vast saddle]

In-game property

[worn skiff]

2 Terabytes of Eldritch Knowledge

[lavish flame]

yeah I kinda figure thats the appeal

[prime basin]

This dm is actually stupid?

[limber trail]

Yeah that’s pretty accurate

[vast saddle]

No, just kinda too personal

[limber trail]

That’s more or less what he’s going through

[prime basin]

all you said is that you threw the minister npc, how is that damaging someones property?

[cedar bane]

i am perfectly sane thank you very much

[lavish flame]

so like... if a party decides to overthrow the king and install an oligarchy with them at the top, thats the new status quo of the world. isn't that the appeal of the living world style game? that PCs can change the status quo?

[dim wasp]

tru lol

[cedar bane]

it sounds like the dm doesnt like their world changing in any way

[vast saddle]

I didn't elaborate, but I understand how my act would negatively affect the West Marches' world building

[cedar bane]

ok what was your act?

[vast saddle]

This, you got it

[cedar bane]

that influences a lot of things

[vast saddle]

To defend against him or something?

[worn skiff]

Sounds like a conversation to be had at the start if you don’t want that happening as a gm! A lot of things honestly are solved by good communication between players and game masters

[cedar bane]

ok but what was it?

[dim wasp]

and I thought DMs were meant to be flexible

feheheh

[lavish flame]

eh, there's some flexibility expected but it varies person-to-person and game-by-game

[vast saddle]

What did I do that I pissed him off or something?

[cedar bane]

yeah, theres a baseline but otherwise theres nuance

[worn skiff]

Generally this is true though we all have different definitions what flexible looks like and different dms have different styles.

[cedar bane]

you keep referencing an act you did, what was that?

[worn skiff]

I’d say priority number one as a game master should be making sure your players are having fun :)

[dim wasp]

she's got a point but then again u have the hassle of actually ruling

[lavish flame]

I'd call myself flexible, but I'm not like... letting my party leave Waterdeep in Waterdeep Dragon Heist flexible.

[vast saddle]

I almost threw a minister who was unconscious to save a party member

[cedar bane]

threw? like picked up and chucked

[dim wasp]

wuh

[vast saddle]

And threw him like a spear

[worn skiff]

Oh wow that’s a very specific type of throwing lol

[dim wasp]

so would u like not let a party leave an area until they've completed it? @lavish flame (boss fights only)

[cedar bane]

well in that case yeah it sounds like your dm is inflexible

[cedar bane]

to be clear, waterdeep dragon heist is entirely based in waterdeep and a heist in waterdeep

[dim wasp]

y

[cedar bane]

leaving is like

[vast saddle]

He told me that if I indeed threw him, everything that cost money in the world would be tripled

[cedar bane]

did you throw a genie or something

[dim wasp]

ive never heard of waterdeep

[vast saddle]

An elf

[cedar bane]

its a major city in faerun

[dim wasp]

mish

[worn skiff]

Baldur’s Gate Vacation is right there thoughhhhh…

[dim wasp]

what did the elf do lmao

[lavish flame]

in my current sandbox? nah people can do whatever. if I've prepped and scheduled a Waterdeep: Dragon Heist game, and my party wants to leave the setting, then they've disrespected my time by agreeing to a game they had no intentions of playing

[cedar bane]

take me down to avernus

[vast saddle]

Being too handsome, narcissist and suspicious in the princess' wedding

[cedar bane]

oh yeah i know the feeling

[worn skiff]

This is honestly the most elf thing I have ever heard

[dim wasp]

oh interesting

Elves aren't exactly the most social huh

[worn skiff]

They tend to be more independent! Not always but usually

[cedar bane]

theyre elf social

[worn skiff]

Depends on who you ask

[dim wasp]

their introverted lmao

[worn skiff]

To be fair when you live

[vast saddle]

A friend told me next time...instead of joining the West Marches too much, just join any campaign that uses official modules. Should I consider it?

[worn skiff]

For centuries, is it really introverted to only hang out with your friends every other day(in human years)?

[cedar bane]

theyre usually preferable in my opinion, more continuous and reliable

[lavish flame]

I'd advise either: official module or official setting as a baseline. You don't need both, but having at least 1 is always a good starting point to see if a campaign is for you

[vast saddle]

More risky acts I could try better as well, right?

[cedar bane]

that just fully depends on the dm and campaign rather than style of game

[lavish flame]

Ideally, you make your character knowing some amount of info about the setting and campaign your DM would be running. If your DM says "We're playing in Dragonlance during the War of the Lance" then that gives you some jumping-off points for you to make your character.

[vast saddle]

My real life DM praises my parties for being risk takers

Probably something I cannot do in some West Marches

[cedar bane]

once again, depends on dm, not to do with style of game

[vast saddle]

So glad I found a good DM

I really wish I could meet more DM who allows me to act out of the box

If I can't, I'll just be a cleric to play safe

Cleric is fun, tbh

[lavish flame]

Clerics r awesome

[cedar bane]

theyre super powerful and versatile

[silk hare]

indeed they are

I hope the oneshot this week happens so I can finally use my twilight cleric

[vast saddle]

True, it can be the enemy's worst nightmare or the party's saviour

[silk hare]

or both at the same time

[cedar bane]

pray at mass and make the masses pray

[silk hare]

1D6+lvl tHP/turn + potential double spirit guardians procc/turn (2014) is crazy

• after turn 2 you still have your action, so u can just dodge or command

every turn

[ripe nimbus]

some online west marches with multiple DMs can clamp down on shenanigans to avoid lots of DM-to-DM variance I think

[dim wasp]

hai

[dim wasp]

can i not just opt for the latter

[blissful dragon]

remember if you struggle with naming npc shop keepers you can always do the handy trick of a wizard sold a ton of clones of this one guy to run shops so every shop keep is steve

[fiery nimbus]

Or you open up a website for identifying pharmaceutics and steal half a name from blood pressure pill

[devout plume]

got a weird ruling question for yall

[fiery nimbus]

Yea this guy's full name is Apixaban, he goes by eliquis

[devout plume]

in 2014 ruleset you can action: cast leveled spell and then action surge: cast leveled spell, but after that can you bonus action: cast leveled spell?

[crystal star]

if you cast a levelled spell during your turn, you wont be able to cast a bonus action levelled spell on that same turn regardless of action surge

[devout plume]

the rule for bonus action casting states: you cannot cast any other spells during that same turn except for a cantrip with a casting time of 1 action but would the previous actions count or no?

[crystal star]

previous actions do count

[devout plume]

ah so 3 cantrips would be fine then?

[crystal star]

yep yep!

[fiery nimbus]

You can't, you can only cast one leveled spell per turn

"Bonus Action
A spell cast with a bonus action is especially swift. You must use a bonus action on your turn to cast the spell, provided that you haven't already taken a bonus action this turn. You can't cast another spell during the same turn, except for a cantrip with a casting time of 1 action."

[devout plume]

bard/fighter vicious mockery about to go hard

[devout plume]

action surge in 2014 ruleset does allow 2 i was just wondering if bonus action would allow a 3rd or not

[glass granite]

It would not.

[devout plume]

read the rules for 2014 ruleset action surge

[glass granite]

The rules in 2014 state that if you cast a leveled spell with an action the bonus action can at most be a cantrip

The action surge works

[fiery nimbus]

No it doesn't

"Starting at 2nd level, you can push yourself beyond your normal limits for a moment. On your turn, you can take one additional action.

Once you use this feature, you must finish a short or long rest before you can use it again. Starting at 17th level, you can use it twice before a rest, but only once on the same turn."

[glass granite]

Nothing there prohibits the second casting of a leveled spell

[devout plume]

yeah no i got the bonus action part but look at the wording on action surge it doesnt put any restrictions on casting

[fiery nimbus]

Hmm nevermind turns out 2014 are made out of cheese of swiss variety

[devout plume]

that happened with the 2024 ruleset

which is why i exclusively play 2014 ruleset lol

its just better

[glass granite]

Agree to disagree there

I prefer 2024

[devout plume]

they nerfed all the fun multiclasses

[fiery nimbus]

I was looking directly at the spellcasting rules because I do not care much what action surge says tbh. If you cast ba spell it blocks leveled action spell, but they forgot to write the restriction into actions

So if you cast bonus action spell you can't use action surge to cast leveled spell but otherwise it's alright

[devout plume]

bet

[severe rampart]

Well, you can only cast one spell using a spell slot per turn

So, something like a spell from a feat like Fey Touched could work

[fiery nimbus]

Well that's the issue, I did not found that rolling in the rulebook

[severe rampart]

It's 2024

[fiery nimbus]

Yes so it's not applicable in here

[severe rampart]

Ahh, they're 2014

[burnt grove]

Hey... i have a new level 1 party coming up soon.. is a Kobold scale sorcerer riding a giant rat into battle starting with Elevation.. and Charming person round 1.. too strong... a battle for them?

I only know one player is playing a warlock.. and thats it so far

[opal wharf]

What’s a scale sorcerer?
Is this an auto charm or you just counting on someone failing a saving throw?

[severe rampart]

I mean, no, not really, if they have good synergy, but at level 1 you never really know, a few bad rolls and it's a TPK

[burnt grove]

Ye

[burnt grove]

Look up kobold scale sorcerer it’s just a kobold with spells lol

Including scorching ray.. apparently

[merry pulsar]

Hello I just joined

[glass granite]

Hallo

[knotty vine]

Feel like brand new person

[merry pulsar]

Hmmmmmmm 🤔 I think you might be on to something

[prisma prairie]

sup

[opal wharf]

How many people in the party? That kobold can prob kill 1 PC a turn with 2 chromatic bolts at 9 damage average each

[burnt grove]

4

[merry pulsar]

I'm confused 🤔

I'm a simple brane so like I get confused easily just so you know so you might here I'm confused a lot just a heads up

[burnt grove]

How are they casting twice a turn?

[knotty vine]

chromatic bolt?

[severe rampart]

Chromatic Orb can bounce

[knotty vine]

I was about to say do you keep track of componets?

[burnt grove]

Reading now I’m dead tired lol

[knotty vine]

Chromatic has a costly one

Theres a reason its so strong

aka a diamond worth 50gp was it?

[severe rampart]

honestly I don't really reinforce the "needing a diamond for chromatic orb"

[merry pulsar]

Do you guys play “reality magic I Hurd it is cool

[severe rampart]

What?

[humble cairn]

You're going to have to explain that one.

[knotty vine]

reality magic

[merry pulsar]

I don't know apparently there is a class were if you get levol 20 you become really over powerd

[knotty vine]

I have 100% not heard of this

[burnt grove]

Yea no we’re reading different things I see chromatic orb not bolt and doesn’t bounce lol but either way no I’m prolly not enforcing the components for enemies as I assume they have it if it’s on the spell block I think

[knotty vine]

Almost any class you mean

[merry pulsar]

It is a magic class

[severe rampart]

How is that Reality Magic

[knotty vine]

wizard?

I mean wish spell does say "reshape reality"

But thats all I can recall

[burnt grove]

Oh wait no

[merry pulsar]

You can do stuff like this fite will keep restarting until we win

[burnt grove]

I’m reading 2014 rulings

[merry pulsar]

And it will do just that

[burnt grove]

I need to read 2024

[merry pulsar]

But I don't know fully 🤷🏻

[severe rampart]

my head feels like it's exploding right now, I probably shouldn't try to understand, for the sake of my health

[merry pulsar]

It is confusing

[knotty vine]

oh yeah chormtic orb doesnt boucne in 2014

thats kinda ehh ngl

[severe rampart]

3d6 damage for 50 gp? lol

[burnt grove]

Ikr

[knotty vine]

3d8 but still

new one has this added on
If you roll the same number on two or more of the d8s, the orb leaps to a different target of your choice within 30 feet of the target. Make an attack roll against the new target, and make a new damage roll.

[humble cairn]

There isn't a class named "reality magic." At least not an official class.

[burnt grove]

I’m doing 2024 rules just forgot that part

[knotty vine]

Oh then it does bounce?

[merry pulsar]

Let me check what it goes under

[burnt grove]

Ye

[knotty vine]

you have to roll 2 8s which means its highly unlucky

[burnt grove]

Yep

[knotty vine]

up until you upcast it

[burnt grove]

Which is why charm person round 1 lol

[knotty vine]

why is charm person 1 round?

Its a bad spell to use mid combat since the person gets advantage on the save

[burnt grove]

Fair

[knotty vine]

and if they get hit the charm ends

[burnt grove]

Should I cast it before combat as it’s stalking them lll

[knotty vine]

Or if you hurt any of there allies

Charm person isnt a super broken spell

[burnt grove]

Ok

Good night all

[merry pulsar]

I figured it out

[knotty vine]

Just dont under stand the point of nerfing a already bad spell

[humble cairn]

It's not? Wait, did someone homebrew it to be?

[merry pulsar]

It isn't a reality isn't a actual magic tipe it is a fan made thing so basically if someone were to use the character the DM would have to allow it because not official . But it is the same class of like time and gravity but just better

[knotty vine]

Read

[severe rampart]

In other words, it's homebrew

[merry pulsar]

Yes

[knotty vine]

Dont all wizard mess with reality via the weave?

[merry pulsar]

I was reading up on it and it's basically a support until it reaches level 20

[severe rampart]

So that's why all great wizards have beards

[knotty vine]

What about witches

[merry pulsar]

Hmmmmmmmmm 🤔

[opal wharf]

From the kobold scale sorcerer

Multiattack. The kobold makes two Dagger or Chromatic Bolt attacks. It can replace one attack with a use of Spellcasting.

[severe rampart]

Wigs

[knotty vine]

Are they playing a stat block?

[lyric viper]

Wizards use weaves, witches use wigs?

[humble cairn]

I did scan up a bit, but I am not seeing the context, so it would be helpful if you could explain.

[opal wharf]

No it’s for a first encounter for a lvl 1 party

[knotty vine]

oh then whats the issue

[merry pulsar]

I'm confused 🤔

[opal wharf]

Read lol

[knotty vine]

someone was saying that charm person only lasted a round for some reason

[severe rampart]

I'm not sure, but aren't weaves also called wigs? pardon me if I'm wrong

[humble cairn]

Ahh ok. Well that's incorrect.

[opal wharf]

#dnd-discussion message thy wanted advice here

[severe fox]

I guess the context is a virtue and you just arent entitled to it now days

[merry pulsar]

Bro I'm so confused and I've been here the hole time 😭😭

[knotty vine]

Its a cr 1 threat Just throw it in the trash

[severe rampart]

It's a homebrew thing you're talking about

[lyric viper]

I'm not an expert but weaves are 'weaved' into your natural hair, so extensions.

Wigs are usually fully shaped hair pieces attached to a covering you put ontop of your hair.

A bit off topic for D&D, but honestly fun to think about different hair care and expression in your games too.

[knotty vine]

Push it down a cliff

[merry pulsar]

O yea so it is very over powerd you can do stuff like make a munk only have one attack

[knotty vine]

the old kobold scale sorcerer had meta magic?

[knotty vine]

Doesnt matter when you can cast mutiple spells in a round

[merry pulsar]

Yea but you can just be like every one freezes in tell my round again 😐

[knotty vine]

I feel like once wizard get acess to level 8 spells its almost gg unless they have a creature that can cast dispell magic

[merry pulsar]

Yea

[knotty vine]

Time stop also does that

[merry pulsar]

True

[knotty vine]

simulacrum chaining is also still a very big issue 2014 had

[merry pulsar]

But this magic gets the best of time and gravity and it can make your bones in to cookies if the person wants

Only at level 20 though

[severe rampart]

Right. Sounds balanced

[knotty vine]

Thats why its homebrew

[merry pulsar]

No it is not that is way people don't yous it

[knotty vine]

why is simulacrum a 7th level spell

[humble cairn]

Sounds like a badly designed class, to me. But it's also #homebrew and I tend not to use a lot of that.

[merry pulsar]

🤷🏻 I now the character class is a support and tell it reaches level 20

[knotty vine]

"Your weak until you arent" ahh class

[merry pulsar]

Literally

[knotty vine]

thats a horriblely designed class

its like being stuck in a wheel chair but when you hit level 20 your suddenly doctor man hatten

[severe rampart]

I mean, supports are alright but if you're forced into that role it's poorly designed

[knotty vine]

Look if up if you dont know who those are

[merry pulsar]

Yea but you do stuff like you can slow people's projectiles down you can speed up your teammate you can put your teammate in the state he was before he started the battle . Literally a support

[knotty vine]

level 19: I cant do damage what so ever
level 20: I am god you cannot hurt me

[merry pulsar]

That's literally the class bro neads to be carried until he doesn't

[opal wharf]

What class can’t do damage?

[knotty vine]

bard

[severe rampart]

It's a bad class then

if you're just being a burder to the party and not contributing at all why even play that class?

[merry pulsar]

But he has cool stuff early game like you could get a spell that makes it to where after someone's first attack they can't do all the other attacks in a row . So basically for one turn they only have one attack . Perfect against monks

[severe rampart]

Wth

[opal wharf]

Playing bard wrong then, they are support but can still put out damage when needed

[severe rampart]

Alright, why don't you go talk about that in #homebrew

[knotty vine]

I dont think you understand that not all games go to level 20 😭

[severe rampart]

Valor Bard can dish out a lot of damage

[knotty vine]

thats like 10% of games

[knotty vine]

I said bard without subclasses

Adding on then it can damage

[dapper cloud]

That’s being generous, imo.

[knotty vine]

but bard by itself just isnt a damage

[severe rampart]

Magical Secrets is a core feature, but yeah I get what you mean

[merry pulsar]

Yea purity much a bad character over all

Though but cool to think about

[severe rampart]

not really

[knotty vine]

like i think there was a survery that made said a lot of games dont even go above level 12-14

msot games at least

So if you play that class your just gonna be nothing but dead weight

[merry pulsar]

😑 you just don't see it . I grew up watching stuff like Uncle Grandpa so I just like theas characters

[severe rampart]

even assuming it reaches level 20, that's over 100 sessions of being useless.

[knotty vine]

so did i?

thats called toon force

[merry pulsar]

True I mean he isn't fully useless it has a couple abilities I really good for the team

[knotty vine]

Theres a EASY way to flavor your spell/class abilites in base dnd as toon force

I did once

[merry pulsar]

Nice

[severe rampart]

then that contradicts what you told us earlier

you said "Imagine a class being useless until it reaches level 20"

[knotty vine]

Like dimension door is you painting a door on the side of a wall and then entering

[merry pulsar]

I sed help he still is like useless for damage

[knotty vine]

You should be more clear

[merry pulsar]

My fault

[knotty vine]

Also you can do all of that and more without homebrew

[merry pulsar]

O that's cool

[severe rampart]

I'm sorry I don't mean to be rude but I can't continue a conversation like this, I can't understand what you're trying to say and I'm afraid I'll just get more frustrated

[merry pulsar]

My fault

[knotty vine]

I made a betty boo character who used "toon force" instead of spell I think she was either a sorcerer or wizard

[severe rampart]

no worries, it might just be my headache talking

[opal wharf]

Dissonant whispers (3d6) thunder wave (2d8) both 1st level spells a bard can use a do good damage with

[merry pulsar]

O I get it you good bro

[knotty vine]

compared to druid wizards cleric huge spell list of far more damaging spells

Bard doesnt have a lot of damaging spells

unlike other full casters

[severe rampart]

an unfortunate truth

[knotty vine]

But thats how there ment to be

[merry pulsar]

Of course but Bard has its own advantages over those I assume

[severe rampart]

Battler Controller

[knotty vine]

Of course

Cleric having uh

[merry pulsar]

And you don't play barred for damage

[knotty vine]

What is that one spell that does 3d10

[severe rampart]

I do

[severe rampart]

at level 1?

[knotty vine]

yeah

[severe rampart]

Guiding Bolt?

[merry pulsar]

Way o ok

[knotty vine]

Guiding is 4d6

[merry pulsar]

I get it

[severe rampart]

Inflict Wounds

[knotty vine]

Thats the one

[severe rampart]

imo guiding bolt is better but yeah, inflict wounds is fun

[knotty vine]

I always flavor inflict wound to do slashing damage

cleave

[severe rampart]

Sukuna's Cleave

[knotty vine]

You get it lol

But still theres plenty of silly spells in dnd 5e that you can reflavor as "toon force"

[merry pulsar]

That's a air move right it only makes sense

[merry pulsar]

I seeee

[severe rampart]

doesn't even have to be silly, Eldritch Blast "finger guns"

[knotty vine]

true!

but toon force is usually always used for sillyness

[merry pulsar]

Yea that is true

[severe rampart]

gonna be playing a Hexblade Warlock who's backstory is just, his family supports him, loving and caring parents, all siblings alive

[fathom gate]

Imagine if inflict wounds is just putting alcohol in someones cuts

[knotty vine]

My absoute favorite example of this was is when my character died but they were under the effects of Reincarnate

[merry pulsar]

I played this homebrewed character my first time playing and it wasn't bad but I do want to play a actual game because thinking of moves to make is hard for my brain 😔

[knotty vine]

So what happened was the orc put his spear through my old characters chest and then a door appeared and my character walked out and said "glad im not that guy"

[keen canyon]

Ok that's devious and I love it. Imma speak the the cleric we have in our party and tell him about this

[merry pulsar]

That's actually devious

[knotty vine]

I love wild magic

[merry pulsar]

Yea it is cool to do random stuff

[knotty vine]

the last time I played wild magic I got to cast fireball at level 3

[humble cairn]

Yay, subvert the tragedy trope!

[knotty vine]

I also got resistance to all damage

and would have got to summon a unicorn but the dm was too scared of my power

Taste my power!

[merry pulsar]

Yea that is how it be

[knotty vine]

I legit rolled a 8 and rolled a 4 so I was a little made about that

[merry pulsar]

Yea I would be to

[fiery nimbus]

My latest merfolk arteficer traveled to the land to follow into her grandma's steps

[knotty vine]

I was robbed of a legendary companion

[fiery nimbus]

I got burned out on edgy characters

[knotty vine]

I dont have the heart to make a edgy character

[merry pulsar]

I don't know I haven't played much of the game my self so I don't know much about the game

[knotty vine]

granted I have made two

[merry pulsar]

My last character would take you out if it suited him

[fiery nimbus]

Well you need to figure out why are you a dirty vagabond instead of productive member of society, so you either go with dead folks and no marketable skills outside of disections of living creatures or wanderlust

[knotty vine]

I really hate that subclasses were moved up in to level 3 😭

Now my build I wanna do is stuck at level 4ish

[merry pulsar]

My last character killed a dragon at level 2 😑

[fiery nimbus]

My character also lied on their resume, twinsies

[fathom gate]

rolls a d20 menacingly

[fiery nimbus]

It's usually the funniest number in the situation

[merry pulsar]

Nice

My last character used portals to a different dimension basically so from level one it was like over powerd I can admit.

[gusty wing]

I have a weird situation where idk what to do. I've been in this dnd group for 10 months, and the dm and other players are totally cool. I've been playing a great old one warlock who just wants to be a good guy merchant/delivery guy(his patron is a shady high lvl merchant). It was going great the first few months but for the past 4+ months I feel like my character hasn't been doing anything related to his class or skills or story, no charisma skills, no illusions, no disguise self, no non-combat spells, no opportunity to buy or sell merchandise. I suppose it's only normal that other players get their story moments too and I thought it'll be fine eventually. Last session, I rolled a nat 1 on an animal handling check and that lead to my character's cart being destroyed and horse being killed. I was a little bit distraught and said my character breaks down for a few minutes and then got up to join the part because another player's story moment was coming up and I didn't want them to miss out on having fun because of me. The dm later apologised after and said being a merchant would be almost impossible in his world and that I should just try something else. Idk what I should be doing.... Any ideas/suggestions/thoughts? There is a lot of combat in this world but the fighter and artificer absolutely murder anything in our way too easily and I didn't want to just be another combatant here.

[fiery nimbus]

Not sure how that would make it overpowered

[merry pulsar]

I do admit my flows of how overpowered the character was .

[merry pulsar]

I say go with something fun

In joy the game

[fiery nimbus]

Without any real background or campaign notes it's impossible to help you out, why was your character adventuring with armed band in the first place?

[gusty wing]

We met in a cave and they helped my character back to town. Later they joined my caravan as an escort to deliver stuff to another town and later we just decided to work together

[merry pulsar]

Because a dragon was chasing me and I opened a portal under neath it and it fell and I shut the portal can't breathe inside of the place so in drowned so I killed a dragon at level 2

[fiery nimbus]

So, you are just some guy?

[fiery nimbus]

That's some serious homebrew

[merry pulsar]

Yea it got more over powered

[opal wharf]

What spell, show your working out

[merry pulsar]

The end of the game I had golems mimics and even fish folk inside of the place

[gusty wing]

Still a warlock but he usually doesn't use his warlock powers too much. Used disguise self invocation (as make up and face mask) and used his familiar as an attack dog for most of the campaign.

[rigid abyss]

Yo

[merry pulsar]

Yea what is up

[gusty wing]

Flavoured magic into normal skills and stuff. Took a first level in rogue to add to the skilled merchant bit

[merry pulsar]

Nice worth it though right

[fiery nimbus]

Yes but it still sounds like a random merchant NPC. What are you trading and why

[rigid abyss]

So. I am considering running my first campaign as a DM to meet some new people after splitting with my last Group.

[merry pulsar]

I wish I could join 😔

But I have school in a couple of hours so sad

[rigid abyss]

Do you guys maybe wanna hear out my idea for the story ?I wanna get some feedback ^^'

[merry pulsar]

Of course

[fiery nimbus]

@gusty wing alright do you want an alternative on how to go about it or do you want a new character because I have an idea but again I don't know how out of character would that be for your character and patron

[rigid abyss]

Basically, i plan to build a world "after the end" so to speak. I want to throw my players into a world where the light lost the final conflict. Where the heroes party died fighting the big bad and now the world is slowly getting consumed by darkness and they are among the last survivers of humanity.

[merry pulsar]

Ooooooo 😮

[gusty wing]

First quest was delivering a box to another town. Second was I bought a few barrels of wine to sell in other towns. I guess that failed because the cart was destroyed now. Don't know what to do anymore. I want to keep the character going, give him some motivation to do something fun and new. Dm said he's fine with me changing subclasses if I need to. I would appreciate any ideas you have.

[fiery nimbus]

How evil is your patron?

[limber trail]

do it!

[rigid abyss]

This is my story hook:

“The world has ended.”

The light is gone. What once was divine, kind, and living has been erased. The gods have fallen silent, and the last great hero’s party has perrished.

Now, darkness spreads across the land like a living wound, swallowing cities, forests, and memory itself.

And within it… there are you.

You and your companions are among the last survivors of humanity. You only know what the rumors and broken messengers tell you: the final battle was lost, and the world is dying slowly in the aftermath.

But even in ruin, whispers remain.

Somewhere beneath these cursed skies, deep within a shattered temple no map dares name, lies an artifact said to bend time itself. To undo what has already been written.

Of course… it may just be a rumor.

In a world like this, what else could it be?

And there is something else, something no one dares speak of for long.

Rumor has it that when you die out there… you do not stay dead.

You become something else. Something no longer human.

Something dangerous.

So tell me:

Will you try to save what remains of everything?

Or will you accept the end… and decide what kind of darkness you become within it?

[limber trail]

If you wanna get some feedback on your story idea, you can also jump over to #dm-world-building for some quality feedback!

[rigid abyss]

(sorry for the wall of text)

[gusty wing]

My patron is just a merchant who took me in like an adopted son.

[fiery nimbus]

Wait, so they are just some guy? No powerful magics or hidden agenda?

[merry pulsar]

That's actually cool bro 😎

[rigid abyss]

Nono. They do get access to the typical classes 5e offers

But they were never the "Heroes", or destined heroes.

basically they are a starter party in a world that is ending

or thats my idea at least

[gusty wing]

I gave the dm free reign to do whatever they wanted as long they're a powerful merchant and I don't think they've done anything yet. Maybe they have no idea what to do with it either.

[severe rampart]

.. I'm sorry... you gave the DM complete creative control over your patron deity?

[fiery nimbus]

And looks like your character too

[merry pulsar]

I'm confused 🤔

[gusty wing]

Doesn't the dm have that already?

[severe rampart]

You make the character

[gusty wing]

I did

[rigid abyss]

thanks ^^'

[fiery nimbus]

And you made the patron while working with the DM right?

[severe rampart]

and with that character, how they came to be, if they're a warlock or cleric then your patron deity is a big part of your own backstory

[merry pulsar]

Way didn't you give your charter like a mimic weapon at least if anyone would have it would be a merchant

[gusty wing]

Yeah. We were talking about my character and I said I want the patron to be a powerful merchant who adopted my character and taught my character his 'skills' to do stuff that looks like magic to normal people. He asked if it would be okay for him to make some stuff up to fit him in the campaign and I said sure.

[merry pulsar]

Ask for a mimic so you can do stuff like magically creating a sword in your hands even though it is just a small mimic in your sleeves

[fiery nimbus]

So, as far as I'm aware your patron is just a normal wealthy guy, is your character flavoured as non magic warlock?

[merry pulsar]

Get it if it's perfectly with your character

To pretend you have magic but actually don't yous magic just tricks

[gusty wing]

Great old one patron allows warlock to ignore vocal and somatic components for illusion and charm spells so I thought it'd be cool if they were just mundane stuff fuelled by spell slots

[gusty wing]

Yeah exactly

[fiery nimbus]

Alright I can work with that, though it would be better to talk it out with the DM, personally I would have your patron hear about you losing your livelihood and giving you a letter of introduction to one of his debaters to collect the payment thus setting you on a more shady path instead of honest to God merchant

[gusty wing]

Yeah I was looking for ideas like that. I'll talk to the dm later about it and see which idea he likes.

[fiery nimbus]

The more info I have the better I can tailor the idea but this is the best solved with your DM with clear communication, you can sling him this idea or others if it's not to your liking

How is your character personaliti wise and what's their subclass?

[gusty wing]

Warlock. Great old one subclass.

Just a nice guy who likes a little money. He has stolen 10 gold once but otherwise really just wants to do some hard work and get paid(the artificer stole like 900 gold and has murdered people)

[fiery nimbus]

So tell me how did you lose your cart

[merry pulsar]

Got a d 1 and it fell apart

Bro aren't you a merchant if this is your first time falling apart you just tell the DM o yes I have parts in the back to fix the Cart

[fiery nimbus]

Your input is not required

[merry pulsar]

O ok my bad g

[severe rampart]

I'm so excited for next session

[merry pulsar]

Just seeing around looking at options

[gusty wing]

It's a weird situation.... A fellow player never uses the vtt and he said he rolled a nat 20 on a perception check. There was an argument and I used the vtt to roll perception and I rolled a nat 20. The dm said nothing happened and then a minute later the dm asked for an animal handling check, I rolled and got a nat 1, the dm said we all fall into a hole in the ground and the cart breaks into pieces and the horse dies. The dm later said being a merchant might not be a great idea and I should just try something else.

[severe rampart]

4 painful days to wait... 😔

[merry pulsar]

Bro your DM is kinda mean 😑 that was not necessary 😑

[fiery nimbus]

That's it? It it doesn't tie to anything?

[severe rampart]

That's a bad DM.

[lean wigeon]

wow this GM is really good

[severe rampart]

Just because you crtically fail on an ability check doesn't mean anything special happens.

[lean wigeon]

no no you see something has to happen because it's funny

[severe rampart]

You don't "awh, you rolled a nat 1, the earth opens up and you fall into Avernus"

[lean wigeon]

everything in dnd is in service to comedy

[severe rampart]

Are you being serious right now? I genuinely cant tell

[gusty charm]

Dragons and dungeons

[gusty wing]

Anything related to my story no. We found a few corpses and took them and later reached an orc village to meet a player's uncle and help the village against invaders etc. I can understand the dm was frustrated with the other player who never used vtt to roll but I guess it was a one time thing. He did apologise after and said I should just try something else.

[lean wigeon]

i am being spitefully funny

[viral kraken]

scribbles notes frantically

[fiery nimbus]

Well it could be used well, like having the horse be spooked and running into the treeline smashing the cart or veering off the cliff. Just for you to later find the horse and find out he has a dart in his side leading you to one of the enemies of your patron

[severe rampart]

"I rolled and got a nat 1, the dm said we all fall into a hole in the ground and the cart breaks into pieces and the horse dies." Seems pretty extreme for a Nat 1

[merry pulsar]

That would have been better yea

[merry pulsar]

Yea

That's just how it be

[severe rampart]

Could say the horse was spooked. then perhaps broke free from the cart, leaving them stranded in the woods.

[fiery nimbus]

Yea, it could be spun but with this description I am not hopeful

[merry pulsar]

My brother sed he would have done the same thing 😑 I'm starting to think he is a little mean a little bit

That's kinda mean

[fiery nimbus]

So DM got frustrated and went the rocks fall path? What the hell

[severe rampart]

Why are you not in a DnD Beyond campaign so he can see your rolls?

[gusty wing]

We are

[severe rampart]

Even when I ask my players to roll I don't usually double check it, I just trust them enough, I can check it out and see if they're lying too

[severe rampart]

Yeah, then there's no point in making the roll useless, you can confirm he rolled a nat 20, could just say "okay, I'll let that pass, but please use the VTT for rolling in the future"

[gusty wing]

The other player is his long time friend irl and I guess he didn't want to force them

[severe rampart]

Or better yet, download Beyond20 so that your rolls are automatically sent to the VTT

[merry pulsar]

Hmmmmmmm what is vtt

[gusty wing]

Me and third player use dndbeyond

[severe rampart]

Virtual Tabletop

[merry pulsar]

O ok

[fiery nimbus]

Nat 20 on perception
(You see a dark figure on a distant cliff he seems to be interested in you)
Second NAT 20
(You see a glint fly past you hitting your horses side)
Nat 1
(You lose control over the enraged beast as it veers wildly off the road)

This could have been spun to give his character a breadcrum while other player gets their hole

What the hell dm

[merry pulsar]

So sad

[errant whale]

Having rolls visible is nice even if you know your player wont cheat since you can look back on previous rolls easily and helps keep track of things

[severe rampart]

as a new DM at least I know that I'm doing much better than those DMs who antagonize their players

[gusty wing]

I guess. He did apologise later and what's done is done. We wanted to move past it and he asked me what I wanted to do now

[merry pulsar]

What do you guys mean bye cheating how do you cheat on DND 😭😭😭

[severe rampart]

Faking dice rolls

[merry pulsar]

What people do that 😑

[errant whale]

Faking dice rolls and metagaming

[severe rampart]

you'd be surprised

[errant whale]

Attention seekers ig

[merry pulsar]

Bro what is the point in playing the game at that point 😑

[severe rampart]

everyone metagames a little, it's just something you should avoid accidentally doing

[severe rampart]

Power Fantasy.

[errant whale]

Yeah

[merry pulsar]

O I see 🤷🏻 I haven't done it I guess

And I don't plan on it either that is like poor sports stuff

[indigo sleet]

I think there's a place for a player fudging a roll once in a while. Depends on the table though

[severe rampart]

... Nah

[merry pulsar]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm it sounds like someone has done it before 🧐

[severe rampart]

The DM though? sure, we can change the enemies hp to be higher or lower depending on how the group is doing

[merry pulsar]

O you can do that

[lean wigeon]

i would let players fudge dice against their favor in exchange for an inspiration if they can justify it with their character flaws

[severe rampart]

lmao, had advantage on a roll once, rolled a 0 on the first roll and begged my DM to let me use the 0

it was on a medicine check so I used mending to reattach a guy's severed arm back, fun roleplay

[fiery nimbus]

I had DM give you an auto success on inspiration you usually held it to succeed at the very important moment of your character story

[merry pulsar]

How do you roll a 0 😭

[lean wigeon]

or the other way around, automatic success using an inspiration if they can justify it with their background, ideals, or bonds

[severe rampart]

Nat 1 then INT modifier

1 - 1 = 0

[merry pulsar]

O that's sad

[fiery nimbus]

Roll nat 1 with negative modifier, you can roll down to -4

[severe rampart]

I mean, as the DM I rolled a 1, 2, and a 3 for Wisdom saving throws of three different enemies

[indigo sleet]

If a DM can fudge bcs the dragon rolling a TPK on their breath weapon would detract from the fun, then it's not out of the question for a player to fudge either

It's just very table-dependent

[lean wigeon]

i would tie it to a metacurrency at least

[crimson gulch]

Eww fudging

[severe rampart]

That's different

[indigo sleet]

Like, I fudged on one (1) dice roll in a 3-year campaign. A "lucky" reroll that turned up lower so I retroactively turned it into a +2.

[crimson gulch]

Don't roll if your not gonna use the result on the dice

[merry pulsar]

Exactly

[indigo sleet]

I usually agree. We're talking edge cases here

[merry pulsar]

But thay have good points

[reef copper]

Not all games have to be infinity games, even though they are usually nice too.

Sometimes a tpk happens,

[crimson gulch]

If you don't wanna tpk your party with dragons breath, don't use dragons breath on your whole party

[severe rampart]

Funnily enough I've rolled many Dirty 0's as a DM and a player

[prime basin]

Can't believe you rolled a 0 on the die

[merry pulsar]

Your just un lucky

[severe rampart]

Indeed, should've thought about balancing the encounter beforehand if one attack TPKs a party

[merry pulsar]

Yea I was surprised

About the 0

[severe rampart]

Oh nah, last sesssion I was only rolling 15s and above against my party (except for saving throws)

[reef copper]

Im lvl 25 and the doomsday clock has never been higher on the party. We have like 3 individuals (that we know for certain) might at any point find us and kill all off us lol

[severe rampart]

level what

[fiery nimbus]

noted, pointing at the wizard specifically

[severe rampart]

Okay Darklord pop off

[merry pulsar]

I have a average of 4 below on d 20

True story

[lean wigeon]

maybe they play the only good dnd edition (4e)

[fiery nimbus]

sometimes sessions do be like that, i had like 2 where i didn't roll above 10 the entire time

[merry pulsar]

It is 5 below or d20 never something different

[reef copper]

We run a quite heavily modified game where everything is more deadly and yet people can be more skilled than in the base game. Took a beat down? Hope you have a healer or the recovery time will be looong if you even come back to your old self without strong healing

[merry pulsar]

I'll just reuse my homebrewed character from last time I actually like that character

[reef copper]

Every crit and hit 20 above their ac is a risk for permanent critical injury or if unlucky instant death

[severe rampart]

Level 13 spells

[reef copper]

No levels dont scale like that. Although you can reach stronger magic in specific circumstances. Although not lvl 10

[severe rampart]

interesting, definitely heavily modified, label on tin

[opal wharf]

So not really dnd at that point just a different system

[reef copper]

Its still dnd just changed. Its like how create mod is still Minecraft

[viral kraken]

i mean dnd is turing complete using nothing but magic mouth and programmed illusion you could easily just make a in-game game world that runs on your irl homebrew within the rules of actual dnd as a bootstrapper

like a holodeck

[reef copper]

I cant imagine why tho

[lean wigeon]

tabletop of theseus or smth
how many mechanics can you add to D&D before it stops being D&D and starts becoming Pathfinder

[wicked mulch]

D&D Question of the Day (D&D Beyond: Playing the Game):

A check is called for Strength (Athletics). When do you add PB?

[lean wigeon]

when i want peanut butter

on my sandwich

[viral kraken]

idk i guess for the same reason people in minecraft are working on a redstone computer that can run minecraft

[crimson gulch]

When you are proficient in athletics

[opal wharf]

Are you proficient in athletics

[reef copper]

Athletics give me jumping rule jumpscares

[lean wigeon]

sorry i cant read im a jjk fan

[reef copper]

Weirdest rule in dnd idk why they made jumping like they did

[severe rampart]

Proficiency in Athletics

darn I missed it but whatever, I like answering

[crystal star]

when you are calculating the outcome of the dice roll, if you are proficient

[crystal star]

i value your input 💖

[lean wigeon]

i think you add PB yo your roll
whenever you feel ljke it

[limber trail]

I want bonus marks!

Your PB would be added in some form in one of the following contexts:
if you’re proficient in Athletics (1x pb)
If you have expertise in athletics (2x pb)
If you’re a level 2 bard with jack of all trades (1/2x pb)

[severe rampart]

teacher's pet /j

[limber trail]

Let me have this

It’s important to me

[sinful gulch]

trust me, i'm lying

[undone rain]

Theres not many stats made for strength huh

[severe rampart]

You mean skills?

[undone rain]

Skills whatevers the word

[severe rampart]

"not much" is generous, considering it only has one

[undone rain]

Athletics?

[severe rampart]

Yeah

[undone rain]

Wow that issss not much

When making a paladin for the future im gonna focus on charisma first strength second

[still plover]

That's what happens when the game is written by wizards.

[prime basin]

That is an option

[undone rain]

Better for spells

[severe rampart]

It's not called Fighters of the Coast

[undone rain]

They hate us cuz they aint us

[severe rampart]

Can't relate, I dump strength in nearly everything

My bards, my warlocks, my paladin, monk, druid, ranger, rogue, cleric

[prime basin]

I dump strength unless i'm playing a paladin or a fighter

[severe rampart]

Dexadin Supremacy

[prime basin]

Bro makes dex paladins

[undone rain]

Not barbs?

[severe rampart]

Yeah I do

[prime basin]

Don't play barbs

[undone rain]

Fair enough

[prime basin]

I played a barb once since it was the class I always wanted to play in dnd when I joined, and then I realized it was boring

[severe rampart]

Drow Dexadins>

[undone rain]

And speaking of half casters. I should play a ranger

[mighty bolt]

No vampire tags?

[prime basin]

I'll be more fair to fighter since i use dex in it sometimes...the only class i ALWAYS use strength in is paladins

I'm not a dexadin player

[severe rampart]

It's great

[prime basin]

Oh I didn't say it was bad, simply that I just don't play them

[undone rain]

Yeah same

[prime basin]

I've thought about dexadins before, but I simply just don't play them because I usually wield a two-handed weapon or I try to get a really high ac which I find easier with paladins with heavy armor

I'll probably play a noble genie dexadin one day though

[undone rain]

Also same, 2 handed weapons and heavy armors the way to go for me

Sacrificing stealth is worthy

(And also because im not generally a stealth guy)

[little basin]

What has better class features wizard or sorcerer

[lavish flame]

sorcerer cuz wizard just doesnt get any

[static nest]

are the letters of elvish writing in 2014 5e PHB? i think they are in 4e PHB, but i dont remember if it also in 5e

[fiery nimbus]

Sorcerer by all means, meta magic is great

[little basin]

Why is better wizard or sorcerer

[fiery nimbus]

Wizard and its not even close

[lavish flame]

i prefer Wizards

[little basin]

But why then

[crimson gulch]

Both have great class features, learning to write magic, signature spells, the school subclasses.

Metamagix, innate sorcery and the unique spells, good times.

Both fill a niche and cater to different playsyles

No class is better than any other

They all have their great benefits

[little basin]

Why is wizard good

[uncut zenith]

They theoretically have the access to more spells than any other caster in the game, so long as they have the gold and the time

[little basin]

But they have the same spell slots

[minor cargo]

In general, I enjoy playing a high charisma character over a high intelligence one, but that’s a much smaller factor for me than class mechanics.

[uncut zenith]

That’s what keeps them balanced

[limber trail]

It’s not just how many spell slots you have, it’s how you use them, and a wizard has a ton of flexibility in how you can use them

[noble hearth]

/looking-for dm

(Command still isn’t working do I need to refresh discord?)

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, the wizard’s strength is their versatility. Like I said, they theoretically can learn their entire spell list, so as long as they have a long rest to swap their prepped spells every day, they can do a lot

[left yoke]

Is going 220ft per round rookie numbers?

[indigo sleet]

by most standards it's faster than you will probably ever need

[prime basin]

Yes, bump it up to 400

[indigo sleet]

Then again, plant growth + entangle and suddenly that's 30 ft

[vagrant notch]

Anyone know warlock stat distribution?

No im not gonna roll it out, last time i did tht my wizard is dumber than a barb

[stray sage]

can you use mage armor and a shield at the same time?

[limber trail]

Much more than you’ll ever need, much lower than the max possible

[short brook]

Hello friends

[woven flint]

Common misconception
Barbarians DON'T have to be stupid 🤔

[uncut zenith]

Yes. Mage Armor neither is a concentration spell

[limber trail]

Yup! Mage armour sets your base AC to 13+dex. Shield adds onto that AC. Nothing in the effects contradicts one another

[still plover]

Sure!

[short brook]

Conan is pretty damn smart, and he's a textbook barb

[still plover]

?tag new warlock

[cosmic roost]

Warlock

Cast spells derived from occult knowledge
Warlocks quest for knowledge that lies hidden in the fabric of the multiverse. They often begin their search for magical power by delving into tomes of forbidden lore, dabbling in invocations meant to attract the power of extraplanar beings, or seeking places of power where the influence of these beings can be felt. In no time, each Warlock is drawn into a binding pact with a powerful patron. Drawing on the ancient knowledge of beings such as angels, archfey, demons, devils, hags, and alien entities of the Far Realm, Warlocks piece together arcane secrets to bolster their own power.

-# Suggested Standard Array assignment
Str. 8 Dex. 14 Con. 13 Int. 12 Wis. 10 Cha. 15

Likes: Occult lore
Complexity: High
Starting HP: 8 + Con. modifier

[lavish flame]

the 5.5 PHB has a table of how to arrange ur Standard Array stats by ur class. Warlocks are (in order): 8, 14, 13, 12, 10, 15

[little basin]

Why are wizards considered squishy but not soccers

[short brook]

They're both squishy

[vagrant notch]

Ahh thanks mate

[little basin]

?tag new wizard

[cosmic roost]

Sorcerer

Wield magic innate to your being, shaping the power to your will
Sorcerers wield innate magic that is stamped into their being. Some Sorcerers can’t name the origin of their power, while others trace it to strange events in their personal or family history. The blessing of a dragon or a dryad at a baby’s birth or the strike of lightning from a clear sky might spark a Sorcerer’s gift. So too might the gift of a deity, exposure to the strange magic of another plane of existence, or a glimpse into the inner workings of reality. Whatever the origin, the result is an indelible mark on the Sorcerer, a churning magic that can be passed down through generations.

-# Suggested Standard Array assignment
Str. 10 Dex. 13 Con. 14 Int. 8 Wis. 12 Cha. 15

Likes: Power
Complexity: High
Starting HP: 6 + Con. modifier

[limber trail]

Both are

[woven flint]

Warlockin

[short brook]

Though Sorcerer has one advantage being they won't dump con

[little basin]

?tag new wizard

[cosmic roost]

Wizard

Study arcane magic and master spells for every purpose
Wizards are defined by their exhaustive study of magic’s inner workings. They cast spells of explosive fire, arcing lightning, subtle deception, and spectacular transformations. Their magic conjures monsters from other planes of existence, glimpses the future, or forms protective barriers. Their mightiest spells change one substance into another, call meteors from the sky, or open portals to other worlds.

-# Suggested Standard Array assignment
Str. 8 Dex. 12 Con. 13 Int. 15 Wis. 14 Cha. 10

Likes: Spellbooks
Complexity: Average
Starting HP: 6 + Con. modifier

[short brook]

It's their second stat

[woven flint]

You do NOT need 10 strength, dump that shit and get more CON smh

[limber trail]

Neither dump con

[short brook]

Well yeah, but Sorcerer has it as their secondary main stat

[lavish flame]

its the standard array, they can't change the numbers

[short brook]

More often than not they might have +1 over the wizard

[woven flint]

Ah
I forgor

I'm so used to rolled and point buy 😭

We did an interesting stat distribution for Icewindale
Everyone rolled stats in order, then, those stats were put in a table for us to work together to build characters
It was honestly really fun

[short brook]

that does sound interesting

[austere root]

wizard

being able to swap out your spells and cantrips on a hourly basis is crazy

[little basin]

How

[woven flint]

There was like..
Only one really good Dexterity roll, so nobody took it until the end when we begged our cleric to lol

[woven flint]

They can only do that once per long rest btw

And it's.. a singular spell

[austere root]

"Whenever you finish a Short Rest, you can study your spellbook and replace one of the level 1+ Wizard spells you have prepared for your Spellcasting feature with another level 1+ spell from the book."
there is no per lr here

[woven flint]

If you ask me, Sorcerer has stronger main class features, at least in 2024

[short brook]

Metamagic is cracked