dnd-discussion

[jolly rain]

btw is ranged fighter viable

or just use ranger instead

[woven flint]

All classes are Viable in one way or another

[umbral girder]

Both work

[woven flint]

Ranger has Magic, so it has more tools to work with in its kit
Fighter CAN have magic If you play an Eldritch knight but they generally don't focus on casting

The answer to your question is if you want magic or not

[umbral girder]

Fighter is for more damage Ranger is if you feel like doing magic shots and non archer things

[jolly rain]

ohh ok

but you can also run sniper rogue right

heavy crossbow crossbow expert on rogue with steady aim

[empty thicket]

oh that is a thing?

curious, i would like to try it

[woven flint]

Alas, heavy cross bows are kinda out of the question for most Rogues..
Because they're heavy weapons

And they can't sneak attack with them

[woven flint]

WAIT,
I am mistaken
But you'd need a certain strength and Proficiency with it

[jolly rain]

oh

[empty thicket]

isnt for that the crossbow expert?

the second, the first is through ASI i guess

[jolly rain]

aw man no sniper rogue

[woven flint]

Rogues can snipe pretty well with just an Average shortbow

[empty thicket]

Shame there is no Infussion that let you use either Dext or any other stat for damage in your weapon like pact of the blade

[jolly rain]

hmmm ice ranger+assassin rogue ..

[woven flint]

Just take the Sharpshooter Feat and you won't have disadvantage at long range

[jolly rain]

also i swear im going insane i remember there was a

gloomstalker for rogue but i cant find it

[woven flint]

If it's your first character, or, you're inexperienced with multiclassing, I wouldn't suggest it
Especially in 2024 rules

[knotty vine]

Ice ranger is a decent subclass

[errant whale]

Heavy property on ranged weapons require 13+ dexterity

[knotty vine]

Assassin rogue got nerfed cause of other things

[woven flint]

Assassin Rogues always kinda been crap by itself, especially after the first rounds of combat

[umbral girder]

Why would you need strength?

Heavy crossbow requires 13 Dex

[woven flint]

That's why Gloomstalker/Assassin was a popular multiclass

[jolly rain]

oh it was ranger nvm

[woven flint]

I was corrected earlier

[knotty vine]

Stamp

[jolly rain]

oh wait so i can run sniper rogue hmmmm

[knotty vine]

Getting a sniper is the main issue

[umbral girder]

Monoclass is a better option than silly multiclass tbh

[jolly rain]

heavy crossbow instead of bow because its cooler

[woven flint]

Yes.
Literally just take the Sharpshooter feat and you're golden

[jolly rain]

oh and you can slap a scope on top

you cant put a scope on a bow just sights i think

[knotty vine]

Scope isn’t a base dnd thing

[woven flint]

Also, you can put scopes on bows in real life

[jolly rain]

oh damn nvm ok

[jolly rain]

well its just a telescope with some lines on it isnt it

[knotty vine]

Still

What would that do?

[woven flint]

You could flavor Sharpshooter as you having a scope on your bow
A Telescope isn't gonna do anything mechanically

[knotty vine]

It doesn’t magically increase the range of the weapon

[umbral girder]

My guy has not read the PHB

[knotty vine]

I don’t think there is a way to do that outside of sharp shooter

[jolly rain]

yeah

[woven flint]

The Sharpshooter feat literally does what you would want a scope to do in a sense

[jolly rain]

that one

[woven flint]

Make it easier to hit targets at longer range

[jolly rain]

it doesnt actually do anything mechanically

it just makes the crossbow look cooler

[knotty vine]

It makes it looks silly

[jolly rain]

sad emoji png here

[errant whale]

don’t worry, you would be too far for anyone to witness your silly crossbow

[halcyon reef]

how good is hellish rebuke as a lvl 1 ?

[umbral girder]

It’s helpful

[woven flint]

If you're a Tiefling and playing any other caster, it's amazing
If you're a Warlock, it's generally not worth taking because it's not a really highly effective use of a spell slot for them

[tribal night]

Do you guys like the trope of eldritch horror but nice?

They speak in the most horrific way but they're actually a good person

[woven flint]

Warlocks get more use out of Concentration and Lingering effect spells, alas

[limber trail]

It's fine but not amazing. The main issue is at 1st level you're limited in the spells you can take, and hellish rebuke isn't something that's necessarily always triggering. You'll need another damaging spell anyways most likely.

[halcyon reef]

can a tiefling use hellish rebuke ? i was talking about a warlock yeah x)

[limber trail]

Tieflings can get it as a part of their species traits

[woven flint]

Infernal Tieflings get it, yeah

[tribal night]

teeth ling

[errant whale]

Yeah

[tribal night]

So sigma

[errant whale]

I also like eldritch horror but curious

[woven flint]

And it's a pretty useful tool on literally any other caster, sadly lol

[halcyon reef]

ohhhh yeah level 3 i just checked

[errant whale]

And their curiosity and ignorance causes harm to others unknowingly

[tribal night]

A good natured eldritch horror trying to learn society is one of my characters lmao

[knotty vine]

I don’t think most Eldritch horrors are evil for the sake of bring evil

[woven flint]

But, hey, if you want hellush rebuke because it seems cool, we're not gonna stop you, it's your Warlock and your choice!
It's still a pretty cool spell and Warlocks don't have many reaction spells

[knotty vine]

There evil cause they don’t understand the difference between good and evil

[umbral girder]

I want to do a Ranger Tiefling at some point

Just for Hellish rebuke

Seems silly

[knotty vine]

I kinda prefer the old tielfings

Variant feral

[tribal night]

Yeah that's literally what they are

A eldritch horror that's full of wonder and curiousity is so cute to me

[knotty vine]

Yeah but when that becomes turning a person insides into outside it becomes less cute and more so we gotta run

[tribal night]

"Ah wait, I didn't mean to scare anyone off..." whimpers

[knotty vine]

After all they didn’t know that’s deadly too a humanoid

Well until they did it I mean

[tribal night]

Stop touching the 4th dimension my cute eldritch horror

[empty thicket]

You cant scare me with horrors beyond my comprehension.

[knotty vine]

I can’t comprehend them:

[woven flint]

I wish I was able to use Shadow of Moil on my Warlock an it be effective, but necrotic damage sucks in a campaign where most of your threats are undead 😔

[knotty vine]

That’s kinda a granted no?

[empty thicket]

indeed, few times where being low int help

[empty thicket]

yeah, that is one of teh many reasons why some damages like radiant is so good

[knotty vine]

Radiant is just rarely resistanted

[woven flint]

Funnily enough, Shadow of Moil gives you Radiant resistance while it's up lol

[empty thicket]

and most enemies that are weak to it in some way are undead//fiends, a common type of enemy to use because is easier to justify

[woven flint]

It consumes light, in a sense

[empty thicket]

"oh look, undead units are attacking a city, there is a lich or smt like that around"

[umbral girder]

Well it’s not even a justification thing for me.

[knotty vine]

Radiant resistance is so bad I hate it

[umbral girder]

The module literally is about an evil lich

[knotty vine]

But I understand why it’s in the game

[umbral girder]

So there is undead foolery everywhere

[knotty vine]

Cause it’s so rare that an enemy will be doing radiant damage to YOU

[woven flint]

Oh yeah!
I'm perturbed that Celestial Warlock gets Radiant resistance
Why do fiend Warlocks get the cool interchangable resistance?

[knotty vine]

In my 23 games I’ve played in ice only taken radiant damage 2 times

[umbral girder]

Brightside Tokii you are going to a place with 0 people with resist Necrotic

[woven flint]

Pmo.

[knotty vine]

It wouldn’t do much :/

[woven flint]

I don't think Sovis HAS any Necrotic Damage spells?
I think I've been specifically avoiding them

[knotty vine]

Getting resistant to radiant damage does fuh and all

[woven flint]

Which is A TASK.. on Warlock, I'll tell ya

[knotty vine]

At least fiend gets resistant to BSP

[tribal night]

Pee poo

[umbral girder]

Actually I think there is almost no damage resistances or immunities where yall are going

Humanoid city

[fossil hollow]

oh where are the night ruiners going

[woven flint]

Well...
Only one of them and you have to choose which one if you wanted to do that

[umbral girder]

Menzobarrenzan

[fossil hollow]

in menzobarranzan

[knotty vine]

Really?

[woven flint]

Yeah, Sovis' personal hell.

[knotty vine]

Must be the old one that just gets all 3 at level 14

[umbral girder]

A certain House Baenre

[fossil hollow]

menzobarranzan

such a fun word

[umbral girder]

The Bard had a single spell slot left too.

[knotty vine]

Oh it’s just one damage type other then force rather then non magical BPS

[tribal night]

Shadowheart is such a hilarious companion

[woven flint]

Yes, it's an interchangeable Singular Resistance, even in 2014

[tribal night]

Just because you can make her nigh unkillable later on

[knotty vine]

Granted the language magical and non magical damage is no longer used for damage

[woven flint]

Honestly, choosing between Bludgeoning, Piercing or Slashing as a resistance wouldn't be hard
As MOST of the time, slashing is the Answer lol

They're ALL common, but I think Slashing is wider spread

[umbral girder]

Really? Isn’t bludgeoning the most common damage?

[knotty vine]

piercing or slashing are the most common

[fossil hollow]

bludgeoning is the one who has vulnerabilities

[umbral girder]

Ah that is it

[knotty vine]

Bludgeoning isn’t super common for enemies to have

[umbral girder]

Skeletons

[knotty vine]

Piercing can cover almost all ranged weapons

[fossil hollow]

all skeleton enemies (aside from the skull lord) have bludgeoning vulnerability

[woven flint]

I think 9 times out of 10 I'd go Slashing because so many damn things either have claws or swords lol

[knotty vine]

True

[woven flint]

Or both!

[knotty vine]

I find my self being hit by ranged weapons more often then not so

[woven flint]

All my dms know I'm a Melee enjoyer

Even as playing casters

[knotty vine]

I’ve been loving winged feral tielfing ngl

[woven flint]

Though, if it's significantly more dangerous and I'm not playing something that supports Melee, I won't do it

[knotty vine]

Being able to wear medium armor while flying is so lit

[woven flint]

I.e, I'm not going Melee with my Moon Bard because he only has 12 AC

[tribal night]

I feel so sigmaaaa

[fossil hollow]

...

[woven flint]

Though, I've been in Melee with a 10 AC sorcerer lol
Once upon a time
He just wasn't afraid of anything

[knotty vine]

10 ac is a bold move

Bold and stupid

[woven flint]

"I could embrace death. My father would just bring me back on my home plane."

He wasn't always in Melee on purpose.
There were just a lot of tight quarters in that campaign.

[empty thicket]

one time i got in a boss fight 2 nat 20s in the death doors
It was literally too resilient to death

I felt powerful, undying

[woven flint]

He was once dragged by a Sorrowsworns ranged grapple
And he point blank Sunbeamed it in the face lol
Killing It instantaneously

It failed its save horrendously

[knotty vine]

Jane your early

One thing I will forever thing is funny is that if you just grapple someone it disables there cloak of displacement

[fossil hollow]

i mean. yeah

these freaking bots, my god

[knotty vine]

There getting more active

[fossil hollow]

do those freaking scammers have some deadline to make or something? may hades drag their souls down to carceri

it gets hard to get those confirms sometimes yeah

[knotty vine]

Probably cause you either got a healer or enemies don’t hit you while your down

[fossil hollow]

i like double tapping pcs

[maiden sundial]

I want to download the fan site kit, where can I get it?

[fossil hollow]

what

[knotty vine]

Wrong server?

[maiden sundial]

official dndbeyond fan site kit

[fossil hollow]

presumably on dndbeyond, if they havent removed it

[umbral girder]

No idea what you’re talking about

[fossil hollow]

might wanna clarify at #ddb-support if they have such a thing

[knotty vine]

Fan site kite never heard of it or it’s no longer for sale

I’m still semi sad that volo guide to monster’s is no longer for sale

On dnd beyond I mean

[fossil hollow]

its not for sale anywhere. its either all second hand or really lucky now

[knotty vine]

Yup

[fossil hollow]

im glad i had a friend who was able to lend it to me

[knotty vine]

I’m afraid the same thing might happen to the old monster manual deeper in 24 we go

[fossil hollow]

not really

[umbral girder]

The 2014 books had waaaaay more printings than Volo’s

[knotty vine]

It’s still jarring to see that 2014 is called legacy

[umbral girder]

Benefit of being a core rulebook

[knotty vine]

Maybe I’m just old

[fossil hollow]

i never looked back for the mst part. except for lair actions

[knotty vine]

Liar actions that effected players for the most part were removed :/

[umbral girder]

Unless I’ve been invited to play 2014 I usually stick to the new stuff

[fossil hollow]

.... what else did lair actions do

[knotty vine]

A few things

[meager fractal]

Unfortunate choice by wotc. Lair actions were great.

[fluid igloo]

I have a question about clerics switching gods. Idk if this is canon, but Shadowheart in BG3 switched from Shar to Selune while technically remaining in Trickery domain, which isn't part of Selune portfolio, yet she grants her trickery spell set regardless. Does it mean that a cleric can keep their old spell list after switching gods, if the god for some reason decides to grant their new follower the same kit of spells even if the god doesn't usually support this particular domain?

[fossil hollow]

i can understand why, i tend to forget them, but why remove em maan

[knotty vine]

Like the new lich can cast a spell at will in his thing

[umbral girder]

Lair actions instead got replaced with Regional effects that actually effect the players and more legendary actions.

[knotty vine]

Those still exist in 2024

[fossil hollow]

and also more legendary resists

[knotty vine]

Lich has a few liar actions

[fossil hollow]

you mean regional effects

regional effects are the ones that stayed

[umbral girder]

Yeah lair actions are the one that left

Regional effects got mechanics in 2024

[knotty vine]

All-Seeing. While in its lair, the lich can cast Clairvoyance, requiring no spell components and using the same spellcasting ability as its Spellcasting action.

Inevitable Siphon. Whenever a Humanoid dies within 1 mile of the lair, its soul is immediately consumed by the lich. A Humanoid whose soul is consumed in this way can be brought back to life only by a True Resurrection or Wish spell.

If the lich is destroyed or moves its lair elsewhere, these effects end immediately. These effects resume if the lich gains a new body (see its Undead Restoration trait).

[fluid igloo]

So like ex-cleric of Talos could still cosplay Palpatine under Selune?

[lavish flame]

Admittedly, I thought that was a limitation of the game and not necessarily an accurate representation of what occured in the world

[umbral girder]

Yeah and? No one said that wasn’t there.

[fossil hollow]

those. are regional effects

[umbral girder]

It’s lair actions that aren’t.
Those are regional effects.

[knotty vine]

Its called lich lair

[fossil hollow]

theyre not lair actions

theyre regional effects

[umbral girder]

Yeah that’s their regional effects. Because the lair is the region they are effecting.

[knotty vine]

Oh wait I’m thinking of the wrong thing

[umbral girder]

The book calls them regional effects.

[fossil hollow]

mfg

[knotty vine]

Your talking about the things that happen in int count 20?

[fossil hollow]

...

[umbral girder]

Glad I made sure my contact was limited to one server.

[knotty vine]

Are those lair actions too?

[fossil hollow]

Lair actions: every initiative 20 thing
Regional/Lair effects: passive, always on features around a monsters lair

...

[knotty vine]

Ohhh

[fossil hollow]

...

we cant read goddammit

[knotty vine]

I always thought they were the same thing

[umbral girder]

Never were

[fossil hollow]

never was

[knotty vine]

So lair actions were removed but regional effects and what not stayed

[fossil hollow]

what weve been saying yes

[meager fractal]

Can't wait for 5e Dark Sun

[knotty vine]

Weird

Granted they were trying to streamline combat so it makes sense

[fossil hollow]

im just eagerly waiting for my icewind dale book to arrive at my door

[knotty vine]

Like a lot of monsters lost unique traits

What example being animated armor vs dispel magic

Or anti magic field

[crimson gulch]

Oh did they announce it?

[knotty vine]

Through I do wish more monsters had weaknesses

So you can justify throwing higher cr monsters at lower level players

[storm magnet]

You can make up a weakness!

I made up one for Remorhazz

[knotty vine]

Yeah but WoTC knows much more then me about monster balance

[meager fractal]

Alas not yet

[eternal lion]

Dumb question, can Vecna cast fireball?

[knotty vine]

Raw no

But you can always add it to his spell list

Cause monsters don’t use “prepared” spells unlike players

[rough basalt]

Cause WotC was too afraid to make him powerful

[knotty vine]

They can cast these spells this amount per day

At will: animate dead (as an action), detect magic, dispel magic, fly, lightning bolt, mage hand, prestidigitation
2/day each: dimension door, invisibility, scrying (as an action)
1/day each: dominate monster, globe of invulnerability, plane shift (self only).
His spells are kinda bad ngl

[rough basalt]

Ye he wasn't really meant to be able to defend himself

Only to "oh my god it's Vecna you guys destroyed Vecna woo!"

Like the spells they default to every day.

[knotty vine]

Szass is much more intimidating ngl

[rough basalt]

Vecnas coughing baby, regular 2025 Lich named Jim Bob is hydrogen bomb

[knotty vine]

Vecnas strongest spell is dominate monster btw spell save being 22

[storm magnet]

Can Vecna beat Tiamat

[knotty vine]

No

Just no

[lavish flame]

toughest lich isn't quite on par with the queen of evil dragons

[severe rampart]

Didn't he used to be able to go toe to toe but then his new statblock was so bad it was clear the one who made it wanted to stop working for WOTC

[rough basalt]

I'm convinced the Vecna in Eve of Ruin is a larper that disguised himself as the real Vecna and everyone was bored so she went along with it.

[rough basalt]

Yep

[knotty vine]

He used to be stronger then Tiamat

Said to be on pair with the lady

[fair robin]

what does the line say

[rough basalt]

And then the old WotC attacked.

[knotty vine]

Vecna went from greater god to hardly a demigod 😭

[rough basalt]

Wouldn't even say his 5e statblock is a demigod

A dude larping as one maybe.

[fossil hollow]

his 5e statblock is explicitly before ascending

[knotty vine]

The excuse they use is “oh this is vecna before he became a god”

[rough basalt]

Damn, he was this weak and took over Oerth?

[knotty vine]

He was still the FIRST LICH

He should be stronger

[rough basalt]

Well I guess he had Kas to do it all for him

[fossil hollow]

still dissapointing as hell, but it was never supposed to be an avatar or anything

[rough basalt]

Maybe that's why things went sour. Vecna wasn't holding up his end of the relationship

[knotty vine]

That’s what I hate about the stat block

[tribal night]

I love wom

[knotty vine]

Not “first lich” martial

[fossil hollow]

dnd 5e has a strict policy on send avatars for gods only if youre fighting them

[rough basalt]

Kas kept getting strong while Vecna sat around watching slice of life sitcoms.

[eager marsh]

Being the first doesn’t always mean the best.

[fossil hollow]

like strahd

god i hate that man

[knotty vine]

That’s a theory

[rough basalt]

True, but his statblock is just too pathetic.

[knotty vine]

Yeah

[dense nacelle]

Can I ask a genuine question that’s kinda in criticism of wotc

[fossil hollow]

kas is a so much better vamp

[eager marsh]

Please tell me that cringe edgelord Strahd isn’t actually the first vampire

[knotty vine]

He weirdly is lmao

[rough basalt]

We criticize wotc all the time. We're doing it right now.

[knotty vine]

Vecna the shafted

[eager marsh]

Always criticize WotC

[knotty vine]

I hope he gets reprinted

[fossil hollow]

why are your cards always pringling wotc

[dense nacelle]

Why, if wotc knows for a fact that some ability scores are worse than others, do they do absolutely nothing to change that fact?

[rough basalt]

No that's not a stretch

[fossil hollow]

not enough money incentive

[eager marsh]

Non issue

[rough basalt]

They want feedback for UA.

[knotty vine]

Idk

[fossil hollow]

"why doesnt wotc do-" high chance theres no money in it.

[dense nacelle]

Ik they don’t care about balancing their game

[knotty vine]

Btw you think venca the guy who becomes arch lich would be immune to necrotic- nope only resistant

[rough basalt]

Cause the DM can always use other abilities for certain checks if the situation calls for it.

[fossil hollow]

remember, theyre owned by hasbro

[fair robin]

those are some intriguing circumstances

[eager marsh]

Also changing what each ability score does doesn’t matter. Making any score stronger than it is doesn’t actually make the game better suddenly

[dense nacelle]

Honestly they don’t really care about dnd, magic makes them all their money, it’s why they send the Pinkertons after people over it

[rough basalt]

Also gotta remember the people who actually want 5e to be balanced for fun to some degree didn't come in charge completely until last year.

[knotty vine]

I still don’t know how vecna the arch lich is cr 26

[rough basalt]

I'd say he's more CR12

[fossil hollow]

god, at that cr orcus is a much better leader of undead

[knotty vine]

Literally

[eager marsh]

D&D is not, by design, an extremely marketable property. People only have to buy it once and they’re set. This was a genuine problem when WotC realized that fact in the 2000s

[fossil hollow]

at least he has the aura

[knotty vine]

Orcus making two demiliches:

[rough basalt]

Iirc Orcus also has at will Power Word Kill

[knotty vine]

Granted you could always steal the wand away

[eager marsh]

D&D is inherently not profitable for the work you’d normally need to put into it which was also why the OGL incident was trying to yoink all profit from content creators

[eager marsh]

In his lair only

[rough basalt]

Ah

Makes sense

[eager marsh]

Where you never actually fight him because at that point you aren’t winning

[rough basalt]

Still another Vecna L.

He can't even cast 9th level spells in 5e.

[eager marsh]

Beyond was bought by them so it’s already a mess and kit their main income

[knotty vine]

This is still so crazy that vecna can’t cast a 9th level spell without dm assistance

[rough basalt]

Much of DnDs marketability comes from non-game related stuff.

[eager marsh]

Average archmagi laughing at Vecna

[knotty vine]

Pretty sure the base lich at least gets 9th level spells

[eager marsh]

Also you need a 9th level spell to become a lich

[rough basalt]

And they burned a lot of bridges with writers awhile back when John 4e WotC was in charge.

There's been a few non-RA novels since that are good but nothing compared in quantity.

[knotty vine]

Vecna is too busy on the realms someone go get him outta there

[minor cargo]

I think the word used was “undermonetized”.

[eager marsh]

Capitalism is cringe

[umbral girder]

Considering I’ve had two level 20 parties running away from Vecna frequently I think he is good.

[knotty vine]

Son

[rough basalt]

That's like running away from a Commoner.

[knotty vine]

Fog cloud counters anything he could do

[eager marsh]

Level 20 full parties would mop that man

[umbral girder]

And he counters fog cloud with vile Counterspell

Or you know, dispel Magic.

[knotty vine]

Smoking bottle

Can’t counter spell/dispell that

[umbral girder]

You mean an item he can just pick up and leave with.

[rough basalt]

I don't really get what you mean.

They're good books for non-dnd fans tho

[knotty vine]

Or you can just blind him yourself

[eager marsh]

The lv20 Paladin slow walking towards Vecna with a grin

[knotty vine]

I don’t think vecna has any legendary resistance

[eager marsh]

He’s about to end that man’s career- he what

[umbral girder]

Yeah it was a level 20 Paladin that was dying

[knotty vine]

Oh he does

[rough basalt]

I'm surprised he does.

[knotty vine]

Throws down 4 ever smoking bottles:

[rough basalt]

Cause it was clear, at least imo that Vecna was meant to be a one round stomp.

Just the PCs beating him down then running him for his shoes and his book of vile darkness.

[knotty vine]

Technically a 2024 genie Paladin and wizard could beat vecna by themselves

[rough basalt]

I'm pretty sure he only has like 150hp or something right?

[eager marsh]

That sounds anticlimactic

[knotty vine]

272

His ac is only 18 through

No way to increase it

[craggy summit]

I'm running eve of ruin rn actually, and I did have plans to buff vecna because I honestly do have a strong party

Fighter, paladin, 2 wizards, ranger, etc etc heavy hitting classes

[rough basalt]

So all attacks will hit

[knotty vine]

P much

[rough basalt]

So a fighter with action surge can probably do around 100+ damage to him easily

[knotty vine]

Not even a simple shield spell

[eager marsh]

Most high level monsters float around 20-22 for high ac anyways but players will have more than +10 by then

[knotty vine]

That’s the issue with vecna lmao

[rough basalt]

The 2025 Lich with more hp, more AC and shield spell

[eager marsh]

Casting shield removes counterspell the more important spell

[knotty vine]

Hes made card board

[fossil hollow]

i read that in Hulk's voice lmao, in the same cadence as "Puny god"

[rough basalt]

Well he has Dread Counterspell which uses his 3 reactions system

[eager marsh]

Also shouldn’t Vecna have a dozen glyphs of warding up? He’s a wizard

[fossil shuttle]

Assassin Rogue with the Sharpshooter feat and a longbow 600 feet away

[knotty vine]

Especially at the level your fight him

[rough basalt]

So he'd have a reaction for shield and 2 dread counterspells

[rough basalt]

He doesn't know glyph of warding pretty sure.

[eager marsh]

What level is the intended fight

[knotty vine]

He doesn’t have that spell

[craggy summit]

insert meet the sniper music from team fortress 2

[rough basalt]

20

[knotty vine]

20 he’s cr 26

[eager marsh]

Currently prepared* he’s a wizard

[eager marsh]

Cr 26 makes him a bbeg for level 13-15 actually technically

[knotty vine]

R.A.W monsters just have those spells and that’s it

[rough basalt]

Pretty sure it says somewhere he doesn't know any other spells than what's on the statblock.

[fossil hollow]

theres also nothing stopping him from using spell scrolls

[knotty vine]

They don’t prepare spells

Nor use spell slots

[rough basalt]

Are we sure this version of Vecna knows how to use Scrolls tho?

[knotty vine]

Shi maybe

[rough basalt]

It seems like his 22 Int may actually be 2

[eager marsh]

He’s narratively a wizard. The simplified mechanics for easier running of the game don’t change that fact

[fossil hollow]

... he was still part of 2014. The 2014 MM has so many of their spellcaster enemies use Spell slots

[rough basalt]

Well he didn't use slots.

He used the per day

[knotty vine]

Yeah he used the per day system

[eager marsh]

He was made during the transition period no?

[rough basalt]

Ye he was the last book before the praised be their name 5.5e corebooks

[knotty vine]

I can’t remember what came out first but I’m pretty sure in vecna the dossier it still showed this dawn stat block

[rough basalt]

He was also the most hated book since Spelljammer.

[vagrant notch]

gift of gab creature of your choice within 5 feet of you forgets everything you said within the last 6 seconds. Those creatures then remember that you actually said the words you speak as the verbal component of the spell.

Found a very annoying spell lol

[fossil hollow]

I was merely clarifying since you said RAW monsters dont prepare spells nor use spell slots

[rough basalt]

Ah

[knotty vine]

Can he prepare other spells?

[rough basalt]

But yeah Eve of Ruin was close to toppling Spelljammer in how hated it was.

[knotty vine]

He doesn’t even have 9th level spells

[fossil hollow]

No, he cant but i was correcting your monsters dont use spell slots, because they did

[knotty vine]

His highest level spell is dominate monster

[rough basalt]

Vecna being so weak was one of the core criticisms.

[knotty vine]

I meant venca in specific didn’t use slots

I know older monsters used slots

[rough basalt]

I think Urizt said he had to up his HP, giveem his hand and eye back and stuff.

[short prairie]

in the new book he is so weak bro why?

[fossil shuttle]

Did the math and, with no cunning strikes or anything, a crit sneak attack from an assassin rogue at lvl 20 with a normal longbow would max at 292 damage. In the first round of combat, for the record.

[knotty vine]

Like Volos Druid

[fossil hollow]

just wanted to clarify. You didnt know the difference between Lair and regionals

[rough basalt]

The WotC team at the time were long since done with actually making anything and wanted gone.

[knotty vine]

I know the difference between per day and spell slots

[craggy summit]

I'm pretty sure that's enough to oneshot about 75% of enemies 😭 if it doesn't kill, it'll get them to the single or double digits atleast

[vale kettle]

DMs should give someone like vecna a bunch of scrolls
It doesn't matter that it aint on its stat block he is a THE lich and a very smart spell caster (I think, his int is 22 but it should be atleast 26)

[knotty vine]

That would krill vecna yeah

[fossil hollow]

thats average HP for CR 15s and below, if they dont have more defenses

[rough basalt]

If I ever run EoR I'm just using a community made statblock for him.

[knotty vine]

points at the Szass stat block

[fossil hollow]

ofc, thats assuming 2024. Monsters in in 2014 had shit hp because of the BS mechanic that was magical or nonmagical damage

[rough basalt]

Use his old statblock as an imposter Vecna earlier in the adventure.

[fossil shuttle]

Could do more if the DM lets the rogue use a ballista because it is technically a ranged weapon

[empty thicket]

or some special extra items
I would like to make the party go against a BBEG that collect stuff for getting stronger and if they stop him they get those items and him not
Like this shaolin animated show in cartoon network

[craggy summit]

Oh my goodness that would be AMAZING if it does work 🤣

[fossil hollow]

At higher CR monsters, it literally doesnt add anything because by the time your fighting them, the party will have at least a Moon Touched sword or +1

[knotty vine]

If i ever run a adventure with Vecna as the BBEG I’m just using a nerfed down Szass Tam reviserd stat block

[short prairie]

also the characters in 2024 are dealing more damage so they have to boost the monsters HP

[rough basalt]

Or use the 2025 Archmage statblock. It's only a little stronger than Vecna.

[knotty vine]

Not to mention the 100s of ways to bypass non magical defense

[fossil hollow]

i think 14 GWM/SS are still reaching higher damage counts

[knotty vine]

Question for you

Why does having both the eye of hand of Vecna give you ability to use wish

[rough basalt]

Ye I did math and a a level 20 Battlemaster with GWM and a Vicious Greatsword could do around 170 on average using their maneuvers and action surge.

[knotty vine]

But vecna himself can’t use wish?

[fossil hollow]

vecna's 9th level spells had to go somewhere

[valid geyser]

Real maximum possible damage is circle magic extended delayed blast fireball. You just gotta charge the kamehameha for 24 hours to do like 14,000d6 fire damage. You also just gotta hope they walk into that range right as you hit that mark and they’re not one of the many creatures immune to fire

[fossil shuttle]

That would raise it to 320, and who's to say you can't coat the tip of that in purple worm poison, holy water, or oil for some extra pizzaz

[rough basalt]

He never knew them.

[knotty vine]

He doesn’t even HAVE 9th level spells

[rough basalt]

He's DnDs longest running con artist.

[knotty vine]

The best he got is dominate monster

[fossil hollow]

as i said. Where did you think it went

[rough basalt]

Kas did everything for him.

[severe rampart]

Woah, there's a chance that only 1 out of 5 of my campaigns will cancel this week

[short prairie]

he should he is a demi god after all

[fossil hollow]

lore accurate page count of a DBZ fight

[knotty vine]

Iggwilv the witch queen has wish at CR 20

[vale kettle]

there is a CR 14 creature that can cast wish

[rough basalt]

There's a construct in spelljammer that can cast Wish.

[knotty vine]

But Noo the archlich venca only dominate monsyer

Cr 26 what a joke

[rough basalt]

I'm surprised he can even use spells.

I'm guessing the devs had to put in the absolute bare minimum effort which was giving him some spells.

But it wouldn't surprise me if 5e BoVD has like a "notable evils" bestiary with a new Vecna and other baddies statblocks.

[knotty vine]

His strongest ability is a bonus action which is a teleport

[rough basalt]

Or just one page for a new Vecna statblock and call it "the Actual Vecna."

[knotty vine]

Which needs.. like of sight to use

[severe rampart]

Man, Vecna sounds weak

[knotty vine]

He is

[rough basalt]

His 5e statblock specifically is.

[knotty vine]

Terribly so

[vale kettle]

he doesnt sound weak, he is weak

[short prairie]

he shouldn't

[rough basalt]

Lorewise he's a complete devastating powerhouse with a brain to match.

[vale kettle]

Lorewise he should be putting hands on a party of level 20s

[knotty vine]

2e in Die Vecna Die we had to get the help of a being greater then a god to kill this guy

[valid geyser]

I’m sure there’s some adventure reason that explains why he’s weakened. Given what I’ve heard from Eve of ruin it’s probably a dumb explanation

[rough basalt]

But his 5e statblock was way too afraid of making him too difficult.

[vale kettle]

not getting 1 rounded... my bad thats to generous, 1 turned

[knotty vine]

The only reason given is “it’s vecna before he become a god”

[vale kettle]

I guess the bar of becoming a god is that low

[short prairie]

they may have made him weak so you can actually defeat him

[knotty vine]

But you know the same dude who took over a planet and made lichdom a trend he shouldn’t be that strong right?

“Hes on the same tier as Orcus the lord of the death”

[rough basalt]

They made him weak so the fun multiverse romp would end in a stomp

[knotty vine]

You know that guy

[valid geyser]

Oh I see. It’s the classic “you caught the bad guy in the middle of doing his ritual, so he’s weaker”

[vale kettle]

you can do that and give him a proper statblock

there is no excuse here

[knotty vine]

We’ve had plenty of named characters who we’re powerful and still beatable

[rough basalt]

The reality, at least my theory, the people working at WotC at the time were long since done with actually working on dnd. They were just going through motions until the new team took over.

[valid geyser]

This is like the third 5e adventure that does that. It’s the magic equivalent of walking into someone while showering

[knotty vine]

Tiamat and Bahamians aspect:

[vale kettle]

if someone is ever to run vecna as a bbeg PLEASE to father AO give him a custom statblock

[dense nacelle]

Currently trying to get something to work, I’ve got a wizard with the mark of healing, yet I can’t seem to get access to the spells from that feat?

[vale kettle]

Dont use the official one

[knotty vine]

But it isn’t him “rising to power” or anything that’s just how strong he was before he was a god

[glad arch]

He now has 1hp and can only cast shield

[rough basalt]

Ye the "Eve of Ruin, but actually Eve of Ruin" community supplement makes him a level 20 threat.

[vale kettle]

ah yes the build up your players have been waiting for a final battle against a stick

[rough basalt]

The people who made his weak statblock were in shambles when players made him able to fight back.

[knotty vine]

The archlich spent several centuries questing for his severed hand and eye. More recently, Vecna decamped to the Outer Planes, where he grew so powerful that he became a god. He has many ardent worshipers, all hungry for a taste of his immense power.
This stat block depicts Vecna in his archlich form prior to Kas's betrayal.

[glad arch]

A stick with shield mind you

[knotty vine]

SANS!?

[rough basalt]

EoR was honestly just a last cash grab before they left imo.

Capitalize on Vecnas name due to ||ST|| and the 50th anniversary with all the big dnd guy names.

[valid geyser]

Also wotc groaning and saying “fine you can have a second adventure that goes past level 12”

[knotty vine]

I got into an eye of ruin game just to see how bad it might be

[rough basalt]

Ye the people who made it did not wanna be making DnD products

[vale kettle]

Ik for a fact WOTC have heard so many Vecna complaints that the next time they going to release their statblock for 5.5 its going to be CR 40 with a god action or something using 3.5 god feature rules revised for 5.5.

[rough basalt]

They were just sick of their bad choices and bad ideas not being consumed.

[vale kettle]

they going to be like : This is what you folks were asking for

[rough basalt]

And people are gonna slurp it up and go "nice"

[knotty vine]

Good

[rough basalt]

Another reason EoR wasn't a good adventure may have been so the old team could claim the title of worst 5e book of the 2020s before they left.

[short prairie]

i think if you want vecna in your game make him the god not just a weak final boss

[rough basalt]

Spelljammer already had the title tho

EoR wasn't quite bad enough to topple it. Much to the teams dismay.

[valid geyser]

I mean the designers for Eve of ruin are still in the dnd team

[rough basalt]

Yeah but they're probably not being allowed to just slap some stuff together and ship it anymore

[eager marsh]

5e doesnt let you fight full gods. Even the Tiamat statblock is an avatar. full divinity is beyond the scope of lv 20 characters

[rough basalt]

I do hope for a real Vecna statblock eventually tho

[knotty vine]

We dropped fighting gods around 3e

3e-3.5e

[rough basalt]

It just sucks we had an imposter show up in Vecnas adventure and take his spot ruining his plans by not being able to succeed due to being too weak.

[short prairie]

then dont fight vecna make it seem like if you fight him you die

[eager marsh]

5 gold says it was a prank by Acererak

[knotty vine]

The real vecna is the entitys realm

[eager marsh]

if you fight God Vecna, then yes you do die

[knotty vine]

Remember that collab bet you don’t

[rough basalt]

Yeah the real Vecna is too busy screwing around in DDB

[knotty vine]

Lmao

Vecna coming out of the entity realm to see what his stat block is

[eager marsh]

immediately calls up Acererak who's laughing his bony butt off

[undone rain]

I want to make like a jester knight type of character.

Forever cursed to look like a fool

[umbral girder]

Swords Bard

[vale kettle]

Ik Acererak has been collecting them souls in the tomb of horrors of countless adventurers that died from many many instakills there, i wonder what is he going to do with all them souls hmmmmmmmmmmm i wonder

Wrath of Acererak book when

[feral fulcrum]

He's eating them

[vale kettle]

What a waste!

[feral fulcrum]

Well, some of them, at least. A Lich has gotta eat.

[eager marsh]

Nothing. That Acererak is canonically defeated and destroyed. He's been replaced by his own Simulacrum who turned himself real

[knotty vine]

Whenever someone tries to reason with a demon in one of my games I just show them this

Thirst for Blood. No goodness or compassion resides in the heart of a gnoll. Like a demon, it lacks anything resembling a conscience, and can’t be taught or coerced to put aside its destructive tendencies. The gnolls’ frenzied bloodlust makes them an enemy to all, and when they lack a common foe, they fight among themselves. Even the most savage orcs avoid allying with gnolls.

[rough basalt]

Yeah the original Acererak died in the original Tomb of Horrors

[knotty vine]

Chaotic and evil is such a dope concept but it’s so hard for me to roleplay

[tulip anvil]

im so lost right now im trying to find a campaign to join and theyre all so late for my timezone i cannot find any campaigns that start between 12pm - 2 pm can anyone help me? i looked in the looking for players channel already are there any dms willing to take me in?

[eager marsh]

He was a demilich (head only) and his full bodied simulacrum shows up after, laughed at his original being a moron, then did some magic stuff to become real and make his own phylactery

[timber flume]

i want to host a professional attempt at hosting a dnd campaign and here are my requests

1. be at least a little serusos (no going and making it hard for me im still a new dm)
2. its free so have fun
3. it is a rouge like stile campain
4. if you wish to join privet dm me
5. there are 5 open slots

[eager marsh]

genuinely hilarious backstory tbh

[rough basalt]

Then the new one made a Tomb of Horrors in FR I believe

[tulip anvil]

BET

[eager marsh]

he made tomb of annihilation. idk if he remade ToH

[rough basalt]

I know he has the Tomb of ||the Nine God's|| in Chult

[vale kettle]

super professional im in

[timber flume]

just dm me dont send freind requests

[eager marsh]

thats annihilation

[vale kettle]

oh i thought you were joking...

[rough basalt]

Yeah looks like it used the same blueprint

[vale kettle]

ughh post your game there like everyone else #looking-for-players

[rough basalt]

But he didn't make a 1 to 1 in FR

Just the one in Chult.

[eager marsh]

The two arent even the same at all? ToA's dungeon is much larger. they're just both death traps

[rough basalt]

It has some trademarks from the original ToH but yeah.

[eager marsh]

and a funky janitor

[rough basalt]

Like the horned person with an open mouth doors and signs.

[eager marsh]

yea thats just an ace trademark thing

[rough basalt]

Every one he puts up he gets 5 Acererakillion dollars

[errant whale]

Same 😭

[knotty vine]

Guys stop saying his name

It’s copy righted

You gotta say John tomb of annihilation

[vale kettle]

We going to court now 🙁

[knotty vine]

Fey court!

[rough basalt]

Tomb of Annihilation is funny

[vale kettle]

yipeee :D

[rough basalt]

Adventure called Tomb of Annihilation
Look inside
Its a jungle penninsula and the ||Tomb isn't until the very end basically||

[silk hare]

whose name

[vale kettle]

John Lich

[knotty vine]

I honestly love and hate the fey

I wish they had a dnd mechanic for name taking

We kinda had something with that with summon greater demon where if you knew it’s true name it had disadvantage on a saving throw made to resist the effects of your spell

[silk hare]

I mean homebrewing "name taking" is not that big of a deal as long as u keep it consistent

[knotty vine]

Id probably just make it to where if any fey creature (including pcs) they would just have disadvantage on saving throw spells made to control the target (suggestion command etc etc)

[eager marsh]

thats the opposite effect. the Fey take your name

[knotty vine]

Yeah but there’s a few fey races PC wise

So it can go either way

[eager marsh]

player fae should not inherently have that power racially anyways

[knotty vine]

Why not?

[eager marsh]

for starters players are not responsible. second the implications are too strong for a racial trait and also none of the player fay races are deep feywild natives with strong blood. eladrin are just Elves+

[knotty vine]

Yeah but they arent fey

[eager marsh]

see my other points

[knotty vine]

How are fariy not that deep fry wild natives 😭

[eager marsh]

i keep forgetting playable fairy was a thing.

still too strong of a feature for player race option on top of anything else they are already getting

[mint geode]

making an artificer rn yay

[knotty vine]

Fairy dont get all that much

[eager marsh]

remember: no nukes

[mint geode]

im not gonna make nukes (but bombs? yes absolutely)

[knotty vine]

Remember all black hole

[woven flint]

I finally get to play with reincarnation as a character concept

[knotty vine]

I’m bored bring me my jester!

[woven flint]

It's for Icewindale
We rolled secrets, and my characters secret was that he was reincarnated by a Druid after he died

I know what species he is NOW (Triton)
But I'm trying to consider what species he was previously 🤔

[proper forum]

Do yalls D&D parties have names?

[woven flint]

Yes!
Waterdeep Menaces is one of them lol

[knotty vine]

Scion of the dead three was our party name for a while

[lavish flame]

I've always wanted one, but its never come up organically

[woven flint]

Waterdeep Menaces was bestowed upon us by our DM after our first Waterdeep: Dragon Heist session

[proper forum]

Ours is D.I.V.A.S. It is the initials of each member (Donna, Ishtar, Velron, Aelissa, Strix)

[minor cargo]

I know players often really like it, so I try my best to have an NPC bring it up. Like “And what should we call you?”

Or like maybe they have to register themselves or something.

Or an NPC will bring up ✨ branding ✨

[knotty vine]

That’s amazing

[woven flint]

The group has mellowed out a bit since then
(My character having always been the most lax, even for a Cleric)
But we were kicking ass and not giving a damn about taking names first session

[proper forum]

The DM's old group, that I wasn't in, was called The Mind Players

[empty thicket]

my party name is burnt death workers

Our boss is "Burnt death", a machine that give us the missions and stuff like that.
Some info and etcetera, somethign like glados but more "friendly"

[alpine fjord]

What's a human build (at around lvl6) in which I can hit for more than 90dmg per turn?

A friend of mine is gatekeeping his build

[mighty quartz]

do you know what class theyre playing

[alpine fjord]

Monk (I think)

[lavish flame]

closest I'd think is Rogue(Assassin)/Ranger(Gloomstalker) but I dont think thats every turn without using a resource

[feral fulcrum]

Mine doesn't. I think we're too weird a group to even consider a name. A Wizard Fairy (Recently turned Winged Deer Centaur Unicorn), A Tiefling Bard, a Ranger Dragonborn with a dash of Echo Knight, A Warlock Aasimar. (There's also a Psuedodragon, Awakened Hamster, A young werewolf girl, and a young teifling girl, all NPC's)

[woven flint]

The Wandering Weirdos

[woven flint]

But like Weirdo in a good way

[feral fulcrum]

We're more frighteningly insane then weird.

[proper forum]

The meme that went too far

[silk hare]

nooo, only flight, one of the most broken things to exist xD

thankfully they only get light armor in combination but still

[woven flint]

Flight at the cost of decent AC for most classes

[silk hare]

true, emphasis on "most" classes

[lavish flame]

i dont think a Monk is fr getting 90 damage per turn

[silk hare]

sure they are

just depends on lvl

[lavish flame]

read the rest of the conversation

[mighty quartz]

6 💔

[woven flint]

I don't think flight is Overpowered.
If you can't find a way to deal with flight users offgate.. that's on you 😭
Bows exists for a reason
Sharpshooter exists for a reason
Figure it out /half-joking

[silk hare]

ah right, mb, they gotta get hella lucky for that then + need some magic items

[feral fulcrum]

We've Ticks boxes Murdered an evil Wizard in a Wizard Run City, tricked the Wizard council into granting my Wizard a Tower she yoinked out of the Feywild (To their infinite regret), Toppled a Vampire Vizier in a neighboring country and installed a Princess, parked a flying island a short ways off from the Wizard City to show off, among many other deeply concerning things.

[alpine fjord]

According to him yeah, he has "vicious" on something but that's all I managed to overhear

I've asked but he's gatekeeping

[silk hare]

oh yeah, theres easy solutions, but half of the monsters in the MM just dont have ranged options, unless u decide to homebrew some stuff

[mighty quartz]

if you go even 10 feet off the ground every god in existence smites you all at once

[silk hare]

so its still regarded as a very strong feature, at least RAW

[empty thicket]

nets until some range too
Javelins, etc. etc.
If not just hide in a place that the flight user cant see

[woven flint]

Also, Flying characters are typically... VERY exposed and out in the open as well

Hit that mf with a Roc attack

[feral fulcrum]

It is barely homebrew to say, give a guy perfectly capable of holding a sword, a bow.

[empty thicket]

no cover in general and anything that interrupt the flight mean fall damage

[knotty vine]

VFT is the only race that has a fly speed and can wear medium armor

[silk hare]

true, but they dont usually have that

• as time goes on, more and more enemies are not "humanoid"

[lavish flame]

a Monk is only gonna be doing Action (2 attacks, max of 1d8+5) Bonus Action Flurry of Blows (2 attacks, 1d8+5). If they all hit, it averages out to 36 damage, with a max of 52

[woven flint]

I find it funny that dms complain about flying characters when the monster manual has FLYING MONSTERS!!+

[lavish flame]

are you the DM? a player can't gatekeep their character from a DM

[silk hare]

VFT?

[knotty vine]

also RAW if you wanna get technical old dhampier reborn and hexblood can technically fly with heavy armor

[knotty vine]

Variant feral tielfing

[lavish flame]

either the character is allowed on both ends, or the character isn't allowed

[silk hare]

ahh, I knew variant tiefling, didnt know they had feral in their name whoops

[silk hare]

true true

[knotty vine]

Yeah they have a winged variant

[woven flint]

I'm putting anyone that complains about flying pc's on fraudwatch /silly

[worn crow]

Variant winged tiefs, my beloved

[knotty vine]

But old dhampier hexblood and reborn had the “trait” or ability to copy a fly speed from another race but what you didn’t copy was the case of not being able to fly while wearing armor

[silk hare]

yeah, thats fair

also its an easy fix, but its sth that you usually have to balance around

[knotty vine]

This is why no one plays strictly RAW

[woven flint]

(Also keep in mind the monster manual says that some humanoid monsters can be any type of humanoids)

[silk hare]

• just the fact that you can avoid melee is really good, considering the multitude of multi-attack-melee only enemies

[silk hare]

oh yeah u right haha

[knotty vine]

Yeah so they could technically fly in heavy armor

[silk hare]

I mean if u wanna break the game "RAW", theres tons of ways to do so

infinite AC stacking

playing vampires from the planeshift books that let you oneshot anything you are able to grapple

the list goes on and on

[knotty vine]

you can keep the following elements of that race: any skill proficiencies you gained from it and any climbing, flying, or swimming speed you gained from it.

I understand why there isn’t but I wish there was a pc race with a dig speed

[woven flint]

If they use Dig
Just Use Earthquake

[knotty vine]

I meant burrow speed

[knotty vine]

Yeah but going underground gives you full cover

It’s basically flying but stronger

[woven flint]

You didn't get the joke smh

You are clearly not a Pokémon player

[knotty vine]

Also earth bender fantasy

Yo delvers claws might be kinda broken

You can play wack a mole as a monk

Or rouge

[silk hare]

ball knowledge

[silk hare]

me when I have earth eater and am digging a hole

[knotty vine]

I hate Nintendo and anything they make

[woven flint]

Nintendo didn't MAKE Pokémon, they published their games.
Gamefreak made Pokémon.

[knotty vine]

Game freaky

[woven flint]

Pokémon and Gamefreak are OWNED by Nintendo now.

[knotty vine]

That’s a lot of words to say “Nintendo made Pokémon”

[woven flint]

Your ignorance frightens me.

[minor cargo]

Hasbro made D&D.

[alpine fjord]

Player from another table unfortunately

[woven flint]

Bait used to be believable 😔

[knotty vine]

Ignorance is bliss

[woven flint]

Dungeons and Dragons
And
Pokémon
Were conceptualized by individuals and bought by bigger companies because they were seen as profitable.

[silk hare]

yeah the games also are really bad now imo

nothing that compares to the times of black and white....

[woven flint]

Sure, if you think being wrong about things is bliss

[knotty vine]

There’s nothing wrong about being wrong

[silk hare]

aks their DM

[woven flint]

Also, Ignorance is Bliss was used incredibly incorrectly by you lol

[knotty vine]

I know

I’m aware when I’m wrong

[woven flint]

Sure you are.

O' great omniscient one.

[silk hare]

how would you guys go about building sth akin to a "nuke" in a dnd setting, wihtout heavily relying on help by the dm (e.g. allowing an artificer to enrich uranium etc)

Just via mechanics that already exist, racking up damage with damage types youd imagine for a nuke, so that it would "pass" as a nuke?

[knotty vine]

Goggle is free

[silk hare]

Ive lost the plot

[woven flint]

Just cast Sunburst 🔥

Lmao

[knotty vine]

1 billon glyphs of warding

[still plover]

Delayed blast fireball, circle casting?

[silk hare]

I mean thats very little damage for a nuke

[lavish flame]

This is the way

[knotty vine]

I’ve never even thought about that

[woven flint]

No! No glyphs or warding!
Because then the nuke would have to be stationary

[lavish flame]

just a small, locally condensed nuke

[glacial pulsar]

Has anyone here used Contingency before? If so, how did yall obtain a 1500 GP gem entrusted statuette of yourself?

[silk hare]

1 billion boblin the goblins that swallowed a necklace of fireball

[knotty vine]

Still technically a nuke through just can’t move it

[lavish flame]

you visit a local jeweler or mason or smith and commission them for the statuette

[knotty vine]

Is that seriously how you use contingency

Some spell components are so funny/weird

[silk hare]

yeah cos they are puns

[knotty vine]

Like the time me as a Druid had to ask a black smith if he could make a guilded flower worth 300gp

[knotty vine]

I mean the costly ones

[glacial pulsar]

Yeah material components are jokes
Like True Seeing in 2024 is you need 25gp of Mushroom Powder

You take Shrooms to see things that aren't there

[silk hare]

like bat guano for fireball

or fleece for phantasmal force - pulling the wool over someones eyes

[silk hare]

those are, to some extent, still puns

[knotty vine]

Like summon beast

[woven flint]

You should look at all the "Summon" spells
It's ridiculous that most of them require like.. a 500 gold statuette

Summon Aberration is pretty funny

Pickled Tentacles

[knotty vine]

a feather, tuft of fur, and fish tail inside a gilded acorn worth at least 200 gp

[woven flint]

You could probably get that at a Sea Side city or, in the Underdark tbh

[knotty vine]

My question is where are you getting an Acorn big enough to fit a fish tail

[silk hare]

the real question is after what amount of time spent pickling sth, does it count as "pickled"

[knotty vine]

Idk

[silk hare]

magic world, magic trees

[woven flint]

Summon Celestial is ridiculous, but you'd best believe I bought the damn component anyway for my Celestial Warlock
It's like.. one of the only few good spells on their subclass list

[silk hare]

• theres REALLY small fish around

[knotty vine]

Summon celestial is a really good spell through

[silk hare]

like that ones that eat dead skin off of your body, or a gold fish

[knotty vine]

I prefer summon greater demon through

[woven flint]

The Archer Celestial is like... one of THE best snipers in the game
It has 600 feet of range just.. naturally without imposed long-range disadvantage

Too bad it's typically only on Cleric and Paladin

[knotty vine]

The only issue with summon greater demon is that once con drops it doesn’t disappear

[silk hare]

thats when you summon another greater deamon to get rid of the problem

[knotty vine]

LMAO

[feral fulcrum]

You get a Demon, and you get a Demon, you all get a Demon! - Mad Oprah, the Demon Summoner.

[knotty vine]

I never even thought about that

[woven flint]

Alternatively
Hire Yugoloths over demons

They just want to get that bag

[fluid igloo]

That's why I'm asking. If this is purely game limitations or that could happen in lore

[knotty vine]

I don’t think there’s a spell called “summon greater yugoloth”

Through if there was I feel like it would just be a costly component

Cause as you said they just want money

Almost like Jim’s magic missle

[woven flint]

That's why you wait to get Planar ally than to risk summoning demons

But frankly, just use summon spells where the summon is completely under your control and doesn't try to kill you if you lose concentration

[silk hare]

but have you considered: a perpetual greater demon summoning chain is REALY funny

[woven flint]

Demons ARE capable of reason, but I wouldn't mess around and find out with them personally

[silk hare]

yeah, thats like half the fun

[woven flint]

Not because I'm against summoning fiends, Demons will do LITERALLY whatever causes the most pain at the moment because they find it funny

"I'm gonna ditch you for a few rounds, but I'll be back"

"BUT.. I summoned you to help!"

"Yeah, lmao, good luck!"

[knotty vine]

I mean the big issue with summon greater demon is that your con will drop eventually or it’ll most likely pass the save

[inner silo]

Are there undead cavalry?

[idle oar]

If the DM wants, sure

[lavish flame]

why not? Bone Knights atop Skeletal Warhorses sounds fair enough

[feral fulcrum]

"These are the tales of the Skeleton Warriors." Cheesy failed cartoon theme plays

[minor cargo]

We’re talking about it now. Can’t have been that much of a failure!

[knotty vine]

What’s the best race for a dog like character in dnd?

[minor cargo]

Shifter from Eberron IMO.

[empty thicket]

like, brian from family guy or more humanoid like some sort of skyrim humanoid animal?

[knotty vine]

I’m sorry but I almost bursted out laughing when you said Brian from family guy

Just imagining Brian in all sorts of dnd encounters

Anyway I meant more humanoid with like a tail and claws

[empty thicket]

so like this cat people from skyrim?

[knotty vine]

Yes but dog

Since those are literally cats

Also those are khjits btw

[empty thicket]

yeah, know it was something but the chances i wrote Kgityhs or smt like that werent small so, threw the safe rock
Now in dog section, i guess there must be some, i think kobolds in some asian edition were dogs or smt

[odd crater]

J'zargo knows many things

[knotty vine]

My favorite saying has to be that misery loves company

[tame kelp]

Can I deliver Shocking Grasp to enemies with Find Familar?

[knotty vine]

I think?

[eager marsh]

you can deliver any touch spell through a familiar

[woven flint]

Khajiit

[woven flint]

J'zargo can eat an egg

I widely ignore him if I do a Winterhold Mage playthrough tbh

[fluid igloo]

Anyone else has an opinion?

[still plover]

Case by case, get player buy-in and agreement whichever way it turns out.

[fluid igloo]

So technically lore can support it

[eager marsh]

bg3 is already taking liberties with many mechanics and i simply wouldnt use it as a basis for lore that strictly

[rough basalt]

I always switch her to a life cleric as soon as I start playthroughs tbh

[lucid jacinth]

We have a discord channel where we run a one shot society that PC's can come and go when they please and level up along the way. We currently play 2014 rules but are looking to migrate to 2024. Has anyone who runs a similar server and has made the jump, had success with the migration, or has it been a massive pain in the kaboose?

[eager marsh]

anyways, I would not agree that switching gods would allow you to keep a domain of magic that god doesn't actually have

[woven flint]

A Lathander Cleric become a Bhaal Cleric because he realizes that life isn't worth saving

Or, Vice-Versa Bhaal Cleric realizes that Life is special and becomes a Lathander Cleric.
That would be pretty funny

[mint geode]

character is made

yippeee

backstory feels kinda rushed (like written in a time crunch) but i couldnt come up with anything so whatever

[fossil hollow]

My copy of Icewind Dale arrived, im happy

[still plover]

Gods are definitely in the "not just a statblock" category for me. How they act in actual play is going to be according to their nature, their wants and needs, and never constrained by any idea of what's canon.

[fossil hollow]

All 5e god statblocks are all avatars (including the one named Tiamat in Tyranny of Dragons)

[fluid igloo]

That I understand. Still, I'd like to know if there were any precedents. Don't want to be THAT special haha

[empty thicket]

basic is good, simple is nice
Not so complicated too

[mint geode]

ok

character is dwarf who was born during a war (this is an eberron campaign btw so i think its post war might be wrong tho) and learned how to make and handle weapons and guns and stuff early in their life

[empty thicket]

Make it a good cheese burger, simple but good

[mint geode]

dangit i want cheeseburger now

[fresh pawn]

I just realized sans from undertale would make the perfect bbeg

Especially if your party are murder hobos

[silk hare]

sure, but at that point, arent the people in your party the bbegs?

honestly, undertale inspired campaign, introduce the different characters as "monsters"

see what route the players go down

[indigo sleet]

the true bbeg is the victims we made along tge way

[fresh pawn]

Think about it though you can use karma to make the players regret living

[knotty vine]

I don’t live with regret

I live with Grace

[vale kettle]

wouldnt it be like a secret encounter that happens if player become murder hobos?

not really a bbeg

[silk hare]

how is she?

[knotty vine]

Wonderful women

[silk hare]

good for you then

[knotty vine]

A bit odd through

[fresh pawn]

Introduce him as a funny merchant who tricked the party with a woopie cushion and refuses to join them because he is a pacifist

[knotty vine]

I’m not a pacifist I find that they tend to drag the party down

But I will non lethally not you out

[silk hare]

depends on what degree the pacifism is displayed as

[fresh pawn]

And have him ragebait the party every time they come back from a adventure

[knotty vine]

Usually means not harming any creature

[severe rampart]

The paladin just dealt 69 damage, then on the next turn on their attack they dealt 3 damage from a 3d8

[woven flint]

Pacifist don't need to bring the party down to be pacifist

[silk hare]

true, but that makes the game a bit unplayable

[silk hare]

lmao

[fresh pawn]

See how mad you can get them before they invevetably try to kill

Him

[knotty vine]

“If your magic is your power then what are you without it”

[vale kettle]

you can alternaticly just nonlethal everyone and let the party make the decision of killing them or something

[fresh pawn]

In which he dodges exactly 21 attacks

[silk hare]

true, which wouldnt really be pacifism tho

[fresh pawn]

But dies as soon as you land a hit

[vale kettle]

so mechanicly how would the feature work ?

[tame kelp]

Can Find Familar fetch me any item?

[knotty vine]

Pacifism is the principled opposition to war and violence as a method for settling disputes, advocating for peaceful, non-violent, or diplomatic solutions

[silk hare]

do you mean the familiar itself? if so, up to dms discretion

[tame kelp]

aha oke

[knotty vine]

Doing non lethal damage is still violence

[vale kettle]

cause like 1 magic missle and mr sans undertale is done

[fresh pawn]

@vale kettle you just say he somehow dodges your attack even though you rolled 20

[knotty vine]

Magic missile always hits is the issue

[fresh pawn]

He breaks the 4th wall basically

[vale kettle]

magic missile aint an attack tho

[silk hare]

just give him the "reversal of fortune" feature from the nilbog

[vale kettle]

also meta characters in dnd are sooo meh

[knotty vine]

Unless he just has the shield spell

[silk hare]

and shield

[fresh pawn]

He just dodges

[knotty vine]

Yeah but it does damage so I mean it hits in that other case

Aka it can’t miss

It’ll always teach its target

There’s only two other creatures that can do that

[rough basalt]

You can definitely play characters that will only resort to violence as a last resort but violence is pretty core to dnd.

[vale kettle]

like there are things in dnd that you cant dodge

[rough basalt]

Not everything can be talk no jutsu'd

[fresh pawn]

He breaks the book of dnd to dodge basically

[knotty vine]

Gnolls are a great example of that

[vale kettle]

thats boring

[rough basalt]

Yep, I'd only have Gnolls be talkable with in Eberron.

[silk hare]

the game works, bc there are certain expectations

its just a bad idea to introduce things that "break" those established rules

bc why would you ever trust anything ever again/ even consider certain options

[fresh pawn]

Then what do I do to make this work

[silk hare]

give him the shield spell

[vale kettle]

give em a stat block that obeys by the laws of the game

[silk hare]

or e.g. some other feature that lets him ignore/ dodge DAMAGE, not the attack

[rough basalt]

Since Gnolls in Eberron are a people rather than crazed eternally hungry monsters made by Yeenoghu

[silk hare]

e.g. "reversal of fortune" from the "nilbog"

or legit just the shield spell, thats the answer to magic missile

[vale kettle]

give em certain mechanics that are intresting by design and not just "Yolo that didnt work and that didnt work and that didnt work loool cause i said soo"

[silk hare]

or he could have an anti magic area around him

[fresh pawn]

Yeah I think sheild is the best answer

Thx

[knotty vine]

I’m pretty sure the only two things in dnd that can auto hit as a player

[static nest]

any useful/good/recommended common magic items? from 2014

[silk hare]

what do you mean by "good"

but health potions e.g.

very useful

[feral fulcrum]

There are too many good ones to mention really

[static nest]

i dont realy know...

[knotty vine]

Boon of offense or whatever it’s called is another thing that can auto hit

[static nest]

it commom??

[silk hare]

yeah, health potions are common

[feral fulcrum]

Mind you, Common Magic Items are like 90% fluff.

[knotty vine]

Yea

Not many of them do anything

[silk hare]

also, spellwrought tattoos are good, any magic scroll of a cantrip

[static nest]

so i guess that what i ask, what soem that are not

that heave mechanics

[silk hare]

spellwrought tattoo, health potion, cantrip scrolls

also most of them have mechanics, just not combat related

e.g. the cape of billowing can move on its own

[feral fulcrum]

RUby of the Warmage can never go wrong.

[silk hare]

just doesnt to anything for you, unless your dm cooperates and wants to give u sth

[knotty vine]

Cantrip scrolls ain’t really worth it

[feral fulcrum]

You can't even technically copy them down.

[silk hare]

mhhh tbh depends on party composition and lvl

e.g. a scroll of guidance could be worth it

[knotty vine]

there’s a billon different ways to get guidance

[vale kettle]

scroll of guidance is insane

[feral fulcrum]

Eh, it really isn't.

[silk hare]

true, but who is to say that your party picked it 🤷

[knotty vine]

Unless your an all martial party

[silk hare]

insane is an overstatement, but for a common magic items its decent enough

[feral fulcrum]

A single use 1d4 is not something I'd kill anyone, or anything over.

[knotty vine]

Yeah it’s a cantrip

Peace cleric on the other hand

[silk hare]

true, but same goes for almost any common magic item, at least if we are talking about mechanical benefit

[vale kettle]

i meant it litearlly

or sarcasticlly....

[knotty vine]

1d4 one time or infinite 1d4

[vale kettle]

Hat of wizardry is an aight choice

[feral fulcrum]

It's not Litteraly insane either, for it is a scroll of a cantrip, and not a sentient creature. :V

[silk hare]

but what if its a mimic :))))

[feral fulcrum]

Then it's not a Scroll :V

[tall saffron]

Hi.
How do the "find a game" channels work?
Can't post in them and can't seem to find anything explaining why/how to do so.

[vale kettle]

Orb of time can manipulate time if the dm interprates the item wrong lol

[silk hare]

gotta click the threads

[tall saffron]

But how do you post a thread?
Presumably by using the bot. But how?

[silk hare]

read the pins

[feral fulcrum]

Reading the Thing Explains the Thing.

[silk hare]

Reading the Card explains the card

(unless its "endymyon, the mighty master of magic")

[glad arch]

First time being interested in a UA subclass titan druid. Whats usually the timeline for UA stuff and how would i keep up with changes (if those even happen beyond UA subclass then being either tossed or released officially)

[woven flint]

I gotta share my demons with the D&D server

Is it bad for me to think Aurils First Form in ROTFM is kinda.. bad (as in "She kinda bad tho")
nervous sweats

Hell, some people think Vecna is hot
I think I'm in the clear

[river vector]

The party is about to finally confront the first lieutenant of the BBEG this session

A good achievement

[river vector]

How?

[woven flint]

Should've seen vecna when he was still mortal

[stiff rock]

the owlbear?

owl-creature-whatever

[woven flint]

I'm in shambles 😭

She kinda bad..!

I've never been attracted to a Deity before, okay? Lmao

[stiff rock]

no judgements here!

[river vector]

Tokii saw Owlbear rodeo and misinterpreted what it meant

[woven flint]

Too bad I'm gonna have to kick her ass

[vale kettle]

ahem there are certain interests people have and we have a word for it.. i aint saying it here but maybe next time you take Necrotic damage you will know

[fossil hollow]

oh this is why

Nearly gave me a heart attack, i thought you had to dip lmao

[woven flint]

I am NOT beating the furry allegations, am I?

[fossil hollow]

youre kinda just beating it over wiht a hammer labelled "YES"

[stiff rock]

your profile picture certainly isn't helping your case

[knotty vine]

New wild magic is too much fun

[woven flint]

I mean, isn't she a fine maiden, though?

[fossil hollow]

not even her second form smh

[woven flint]

I can see why Talos kinda digs her

[knotty vine]

Being able to give your self advantage on an initiative roll and then use surge after if you cast a spell using a spell slot

[stiff rock]

i kinda see it? more in a cute rather than bad way though lol

[woven flint]

I wanna take her on a pleasant date 🧐

[stiff rock]

both editions are really great, i only discovered the 2024 ones are different recently lol

[knotty vine]

Yeah but it gets the buffs or the new sorcerer but it does kinda

But heads with its features

[stiff rock]

as long as it still has the "you turn a shade of vibrant blue" i'll use it

[knotty vine]

Like tides of Chaos

And the new get advantages on every attack roll spell for 10 rounds

[stiff rock]

oh you meant the subclass not the wm surge table lol

[knotty vine]

Oh both

Cause I like forcing the surge to come out as often as possible

[woven flint]

I'm playing a Triton Paladin in that game
With cold resistance, I'm naturally immune to extreme cold
Maybe I could rizz her up

"Lady Auril, your chilled touch is like heaven to me..."
/silly

[stiff rock]

i don't know what 2014 wm sorcere was like but yeah i love the 2024 one, it's on my list of things i want to play

[knotty vine]

Gambling sorcerer

[stiff rock]

you two are practically made for each other, go get the owl-lady

[river vector]

Bard souled Paladin.

[stiff rock]

-# if kinji hakari played d&d he'd definitely be a WM sorcerer

[river vector]

Reminds me of the bard souled monk I had. He wanted to romance my serial killer villain NPC.

[woven flint]

He's a Vengeance Paladin, as far as he knows, he has no qualms with her

[fossil hollow]

Make Auril your god. She has vengeance she wants to wreck on Umberlee, Talos, and Malar

"I can make her better"

[stiff rock]

you're the 2nd triton paladin i've seen this week

[woven flint]

Auril does Vengeance things? 🤔

[fossil hollow]

Umberlee and some other gods betrayed her a bit before the Sundering

[knotty vine]

Giving yourself on advantage! Then using wild magic!

[river vector]

The parties reaction when I describe "a bag that seems bottomless" "Wow, it's almost like a bag of holding"

[woven flint]

You see, I rolled on the Secrets table and got:
||Reincarnated as my secret and I was once a human, but I was thrown overboard from my ship and maybe it was one of Aurils Druids Reincarnated me because she felt like she could use the Hatred in my heart to her advantage 🤔||

[stiff rock]

are secrets a 2014 thing? i've never heard of it

[austere root]

I just witnessed a party blow all their spell slots and a lv8 fireball with the wand of fireballs to oneturn an encounter they were really scared of

[knotty vine]

Erm actually 🤓☝️