dnd-discussion

[cedar bane]

in which case id say mirror image

[dense tusk]

sure

[timid zinc]

And she also voice acts maka

[cedar bane]

defense is more safe

[fiery nimbus]

I know, my plans are usualy air tight and solid but apparently my party does not see that

[cedar bane]

i know just the demon who might change their mind

[fiery nimbus]

im listening

[dense tusk]

tbh magic missile is like similar damage to scorching ray in damage, no? bit more stable

12 on avg with level 2 magic missle, like 13 or something avg with scorching ray with more variety

[cedar bane]

the one youre summoning

[cedar bane]

scorching ray scales better to my recollection

[fiery nimbus]

well they are kind of weak since im a warlock, but im binding my time till i get my hands on Gate

[cedar bane]

but yeah having one or two core damage spells is enough

[cedar bane]

get to pact making

[remote wadi]

May I dm btw?

[dense tusk]

tbh I could just forgo picking 3 level 1 spells, no? since we are starting at level 4 and it doesn't say I have to know 3 out of 5 level 1 spells

[cedar bane]

i dont really play spellcasters but i think you can do that? you can usually change known spells on level up anyway

[dense tusk]

man I forgot mage armor

[glad ferry]

Depends on the type of spellcaster. Some can change spells after a long rest

[junior jasper]

Hello!

[glad ferry]

Whats up

[junior jasper]

How are you?

[glad ferry]

Not much. Just looking through stuff for dungeon planning and a one shot

[junior jasper]

Yeah. I’m reviewing my old character sheet while eating a burger.

[dense tusk]

should I go 12 wisdom and ASI or 10 wisdom and fey touched?

[glad ferry]

Im just looking for stuff that I can use before a black pudding

[dense tusk]

(sorcerer)

[errant crag]

My session is in 2 hours and 19 minutes

Let's fricking go

[rough basalt]

I need to get a Friday game scheduled.

[errant crag]

My players are investigating a murder in the Welcome to the Hellfire Club starter set

Still really need to decide on a campaign module to run after this

[rough basalt]

I wanna do some of the higher level one shots in the FR book.

[errant crag]

Heroes of Faerun?

I didn't know that had one shots in it

[rough basalt]

Nothing long term cause I don't think I can do 3 long term campaigns.
The DM book for the FR books

Adventures in Faerun

Has 51 one shots in it iirc

[lavish flame]

its got a bunch of 1 page adventures in it

or, thats probably Adventures, not Heroes

[rough basalt]

There's some generic ones then there's ones for Regions. And yeah it's in Adventures.

Like a Cult murder adventure in Icewind Dale.

Or a pirate one I think in Moonshae or something

May have been one of the general ones.

[junior jasper]

What is everyone’s favorite class!

[rough basalt]

Paladin probably.

[junior jasper]

Cool. Mine is either warlock or sorcerer.

[lavish flame]

Weezard

[rough basalt]

But yeah I wanna do some one shots and the FR one page adventures are a good choice.

[junior jasper]

Yeah, that’s my friend’s favorite. Oh Adran Amakiir, how I hate running campaigns with you in them.

[strong wave]

Who is Adrian amakiir

[jolly canyon]

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[idle oar]

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[short brook]

Barbarian

anger go brr

[shadow fulcrum]

Artificer

[oak grotto]

Wizard. I like magic and being smart.

[short brook]

I always loved people getting stronger in relation to anger, it's a very cool trope.

[shadow fulcrum]

Artificer
I like machines magic and being smarter

[shadow fulcrum]

What subclass is your go to ?

[woven flint]

Knowledge Cleric
I like healing and being the Smartest

Ha! I win the silly game

[short brook]

14 or 24? 14 is definitelty bear totem, not even for the resistance to everything but being extra strong like physically. 24 is Berserker, way cooler in 24

[wintry spindle]

I like fighter

[austere root]

Lock

[shadow fulcrum]

What’s everyone go to race ?

[austere root]

Many dragonborn warlocks for me

[short brook]

Human or Tiefling

[jolly canyon]

Indi 500

[shadow fulcrum]

I like high elves

[woven flint]

I'll play anything that isn't Human or Halfling.

[wintry spindle]

5e Variant human 5.5 Aasimar

[shadow fulcrum]

Bro hates hobbits

[oak grotto]

Human? I like drow the most though.

[short brook]

Short races i could never

idk, i don't like being small

[austere root]

I like humans if they're tall mute men named Caim

[shadow fulcrum]

lol my current character is half drow half high elf

[short brook]

goliath is up there for me though, i love being extra big guy

races with powerful build >

[oak grotto]

I try to choose a different race whenever I make a new character but I find that it's easier for me to make human characters.

[short brook]

same, i love me some variety

maybe one day i'll make one of the animal races...

[oak grotto]

Minotaurs exist.

[shadow fulcrum]

Next time around I want to do a paladin tiefling

[wintry spindle]

I am gonna play an astral elf this sunday

[woven flint]

D&D has too many damn elves

[short brook]

for sure

I think the race i want to play the most next, is reborn

[burnt grove]

I like Kobolds, Goblins, Shifters and hex bloods lol

[cobalt escarp]

my first ever character was a goblin, its my favorite

[burnt grove]

Yea chaos gremlins !

[feral fulcrum]

What do you mean, we've got High Elves, Dark Elves, Drow, Space Elves, Space Not Actually Elves, Snow Elves, Discount Tire Service Elves- Hold on just gonna unfurl the rest of this list...

[prime pewter]

I love hexbloods!

[glad ferry]

One shots are at least nice when you have to prepare big things for a campaign

Elves is one thing I havnt really used much

Elves are pretty much the Bubba Gump shrimp of dnd characters

[rough basalt]

Keep in mind 5e consolidated elves too

[glad ferry]

How many more was there before that?

[rough basalt]

Well Forgotten Realms for example has 7 subraces of elves and thats consolidated a little less than 5es player options

[glad ferry]

I didn't realize 5e and forgotten realms were different

[rough basalt]

Forgotten Realms is a setting older than dnd.

But in general theres probably been more significant elf types than years dnd has been around across all settings

[rough arch]

sure

[tribal night]

Dear god why is there a polygamy mod in Baldur's gate

this is terrifying

[rough basalt]

cause theres open relations with a few of the companions already

But in general if a game allows modding and has romance itll have a mod for stuff like that

[knotty vine]

can you cast slivery barbs on an Initiative roll

[tribal night]

I know, it's just I do not endorse it, so it's a bit disturbing to see

[undone rain]

Many paladin players really give other paladins a bad rep. Heard a story of one paladin that killed their cleric teammate just because the cleric was a tiefling

[rough basalt]

Then you don't use it.

[rough basalt]

Aladin the Paladin iirc?

[tribal night]

What did you think I was doing? Using it? I know.

[undone rain]

Idk i havent looked in too much into it but i think its ridicolous for sure

[rough basalt]

Yeah Paladins nature tends to draw people who larp too hard in the wrong way.

[undone rain]

Dont get me wrong i love to be mr goody two shoes but like chill out. Not all tieflings are evil just because they have fiendish blood

[tribal night]

I sorta get the charm of paladin now

[austere root]

I keep thinking these must be jokes. But sitting down makes me realize there are people like that.

[tribal night]

After playing it for a bit, it's neat

but I still prefer warlock archer

don't ask

[rough basalt]

Yeah Tieflings haven't been "evil" for awhile.

[wintry spindle]

I also like the FX tv Show Archer he would make a fun Warlock

[rough basalt]

They were never really "inherently evil" to begin with I believe.

[undone rain]

Yeah no theres legit people who take em way too seriously. Sure paladins are great at killing fiends and their known for hunting down beasts like undead and fiends etc but like chill out its just a tiefling

[austere root]

The lack of social awareness is astounding

[rough basalt]

There's a lot of people whose thought process is "if it's not a human, elf or Dwarf it's not a person"

[undone rain]

I believe that the cleric tiefling wasnt even trying to be evil

[glad ferry]

Not all paladins are extreme. It just depends on their oath and setting. Some gotta realize oaths change, beliefs change, and temporary alliances are a thing

[tribal night]

I like playing warlock because being morally grey suits my style

It's so I can do what I believe in instead of following an oath like paladins

[empty thicket]

i will play one that is a good guy that dont know what kind of powers he is using at all

[tribal night]

My main dnd character just does what he believes is right, dragonborn warlock

[undone rain]

I think oathbreaker is a sign of freedom in a way. You follow your own path

[steady bloom]

Someone in my DND group is making their own sourcebook

[rough basalt]

Oathbreaker isn't that in 5e

[undone rain]

Just sucks how oathbreakers are more edgy now

[glad ferry]

You can have freedom if you word your oath properly

[rough basalt]

Oathbreakers have always been evil in dnd.

Cause breaking your oath doesn't make you an oathbreaker.

[tribal night]

Now it's warlock that's just the chill guys

Especially because of Wyll in Baldur's gate

[undone rain]

Wait what

[rough basalt]

An oathbreaker in dnd is someone who willingly breaks their oath in pursuit of dark power and selfish gain.

[empty thicket]

oh, my main for now is a fighter, half orc.
He is searching glory and fame, kinda arrogant with some weird companions
(His real objective is someday find someone to finally get a peaceful life after leaving the adventures)

[cobalt escarp]

true, all of my warlocks have been morally chill

[tribal night]

Another main dnd character I made is morally gray but is trying to learn how society works

He doesn't know killing is bad 🥀

[rough basalt]

It's someone who wants to protect the weak suddenly deciding he wants to crush the weak underfoot and make them suffer so he breaks his oath and accepts power from a dark entity to fulfill his dreams of tyranny led by blood.

[undone rain]

Well...shit there goes my character idea

[rough basalt]

It's very much always been an Evil class.

[tribal night]

I like to imagine warlocks as drug addicts that encourage you not to do them.

[cobalt escarp]

stoping wanting to protect the weak doesn’t necessarily mean you want to crush them. maybe your just tired

[knotty vine]

Man the everyone dies book is so much fun for the dm to do

[rough basalt]

That doesn't make you an Oathbreaker that means you're retiring.

[tribal night]

"Hey I made 500 deals with devils, don't do that."

[knotty vine]

"500 devil deals"

[rough basalt]

An Oathbreaker is specifically A Paladin who breaks their Oath specifically for evil, accepting power from a dark being for purely selfish gain.

You know Death Knights? They were Oathbreaker Paladins.

[knotty vine]

It says in the book that the paladin has to be level 3 and any evil aliment

[cobalt escarp]

my most recent warlock got his powers from a celestial that was in love with him but got kidnapped, so the celestial lended him their powers to save them

[undone rain]

But what happens to paladin that breaks their oath on accident then

Or for the better good

[rough basalt]

They just have to rest and repent.

[feral fulcrum]

Then they just lose their powers.

[tribal night]

Everyone and their magic character always makes them copulate with some divine being lmaoo

[rough basalt]

Specifically their Oath abilities temporarily.

[knotty vine]

They just broke there oath but they can get that oath back or swear to another oath

[undone rain]

What just pray and fast

[feral fulcrum]

Whatever the DM deems aprorpriate

[rough basalt]

A cleric can also help you iirc

[feral fulcrum]

there's not actually any rules or guidance on this thing in 5E AFAIK

[tribal night]

Oathbreaker would be cool if it's not so edgy

[rough basalt]

Mainly cause Oathbreaker was never intended for player use.

It was designed when they wanted to use PC sheets for monster design.

Cause they rushed the dmg in 2014 and didn't think about it.

[tribal night]

Homebrew deathknight class is good enough 🍵

[steady sentinel]

Honestly this feels like they should have a oathless or something similar to breaking the oath by accident but can still use some features until fix

[cobalt escarp]

oathless? wouldn’t that just be fighter?

[undone rain]

In my honest opinion right. I want oathbreaker to be smth you become after breaking an oath like in bg3 and you either have to live with it or repent in taking a new after a while.

[rough basalt]

In general they just expect the Paladin and the dm to solve it over a long rest with RP.

[tribal night]

That's just fighter

[feral fulcrum]

I mean you can use your base Paladin abilities and lose access to your subclass for a bit.

[undone rain]

But thats what i think atleast

[feral fulcrum]

That's proabbly the best way to go about it

[rough basalt]

I think most dms ignore oaths

As long as you're not just murdering innocent people

[steady sentinel]

In a sense, Laserllama did a idea in their paladin class

[feral fulcrum]

Most DM's ignore Alot of things.

[undone rain]

your now a temporary fighter

[tribal night]

A better potrayal for oathbreaker is "Order is cruelty", it only makes sense.

[feral fulcrum]

Nooo, I was talking speciffically about just having your Base Paladin features.

[glad ferry]

Just do the skyrim method and pledge or make deals with multiple evil beings. Then they'll have to fight over who owns you

[rough basalt]

That's Conquest Paladin

[reef tundra]

I made a fighter subclass called “Oathbroken Knight”. I may be a bit biased but I love it

[cobalt escarp]

but your oath is how you get those powers tho

[tribal night]

God dammit

[feral fulcrum]

It would be quite silly to suddenly have Extra attack X4 because you accidentally bludgeoned the wrong guy to death.

[glad ferry]

Conquest paladin? Didnt know it was a thing

[steady sentinel]

It is and it's fun

[rough basalt]

It's about crushing the weak, breaking their spirits and ruling over innocents with an iron bloody fist

[undone rain]

Oh i was more suggesting to not have the divine powers lmao but sure

[reef tundra]

But I do like oathbreaker. Just because the edgelord vibes hit just right with me

[rough basalt]

It's the actual intended for player use evil coded paladin subclass.

[feral fulcrum]

Mechanically speaking, that's more your Subclass, then your Paladin features. But since the whole thing is Wibbly Woblly, it just Works better then "Suddenly you're a level X fighter for no particular raisin"

[steady sentinel]

I love conquest channel divinity in both options

[glad ferry]

I love the oathbreaker abilities compared to the normal paladin

[reef tundra]

And I love the lore implications of being able to corrupt an oath alongside yourself

[rough basalt]

Another issue about Oathbreaker is their abilities buff enemies

So if you're in an Undead campaign you're helping the enemies kill you and your friends.

[tribal night]

That's it, I'm making an oathbreaker paladin that just goes with the wind. Crushes whoever they want, but won't explicitly target the weak. Absolute cinema.

[cobalt escarp]

but lore wise, where are your powers from without an oath?

[rough basalt]

Dark power takes your power away cause you're not killing at least 1 innocent a day

[glad ferry]

One of our party members was a oathbreaker, got reconnected with their deity then broke their oath the second time. Couldn't go back to divinity so they became evil aligned oathbreaker. To make it worse they were a aasmir paladin

[tribal night]

Then they kill a minimum of one innocent a day

[reef tundra]

The oath is still there, it’s just corrupted, tainted, in a way

That’s why oathbreakers often have new evil masters

[rough basalt]

Long as evil is committed for the sheer thrill the entity is happy

[undone rain]

So you basically simply lose the features the subclass gets but you keep like divine smite and stuff

[steady sentinel]

Oh yeah do a multiclass with oathbreaker paladin with warlock for some real flavor especially undead

[tribal night]

Dammit I wanted to not follow oaths to not follow gods, why am I doing something to please an evil GOD?!

[reef tundra]

Take ||Ketheric Thorm|| from BG3, his new master was ||Myrkul|| after breaking his oath to ||Selune||

[rough basalt]

Yeah most Oathbreakers dedicate themselves to Lichs, Death Gods, and Fiends

[glad ferry]

Necromancer paladin

[undone rain]

I would multiclass a paladin and cleric but id need some good wisdom and charisma to do it

[rough basalt]

The occasional oathbreaker just kills for the thrill

[tribal night]

Fine guess I'll just do fighter.

[rough basalt]

But most want true competitive evil and suffering so they work with entities that wanna destroy the world

[reef tundra]

If you want I can send you my Oathbroken Knight fighter subclass when it’s finished

[tribal night]

Nah it's fine, I'm creative

[undone rain]

Conquest seems cool but nothing id really play unless the whole party is evil

[glad ferry]

The fae beings people can be associated with are difficult

Great old ones I beleive

[rough basalt]

Yeah a Conquest Paladin is hard to fit with a good aligned party

[glad ferry]

Conquest paladin does sound interesting in its own meaning

[rough basalt]

It's basically about being a Tyrant

[reef tundra]

I’ve done it 😎

[tribal night]

Mind weaver was always my goto homebrew class just because I love mindflayer powers

[rough basalt]

So if your party ever wants to let someone you deem weak live you gotta kill them.

Cause they're weak. You strong.

[reef tundra]

Not as the paladin but as the DM, I have a lawful evil oath of conquest paladin in a good aligned party

[undone rain]

Cant really have a tyrant paladin in a party that want to be heroes. Atleast not without ruining stuff for the party and no one wants that

[reef tundra]

Whose covenant may or may not be worshipping Asmodeus

[rough basalt]

It's possible but it's hard to do without being disruptive or just ignoring your oath altogether.

[reef tundra]

It’s definitely possible, but yeah there is a fine line to walk

[rough basalt]

Same case with Redemption Paladin

The "no violence rule" paladin.

[tribal night]

Batman

[reef tundra]

I am very proud of my player for playing a lawful evil oath of conquest paladin and so far not causing any problems for the party

[rough basalt]

It can be very disruptive if played as intended.

[undone rain]

Yeah my first paladin was one and boy was it restricting

[cobalt escarp]

if a paladin is no violence, why it have a sword

[rough basalt]

DnD is very much a game where most players are actually leaning towards evil but they don't really understand it.

[tribal night]

I either run rogue or fighter

Depending on my team lineup

[undone rain]

At that point ill just play cleric

[rough basalt]

Like people will casually talk about skinning humanoids in dnd to make armor and stuff.

And think their PCs are heroes.

Ime a lot of people's "heroic" characters make the Punisher look like Superman morality wise.

[empty thicket]

You cant stop violence without using violence

[kind gate]

Is there a way to get the compelled duel spell without being a paladin

[past edge]

In my campaigns, the actions of the party determine society's outlook on them. Bad people get treated like bad people

[short brook]

this literally came up in my campaign

[cobalt escarp]

wall of force stops violence pretty fast

[short brook]

We killed a minotaur (evil and spoke just moments before) and I just took his weapon, one of the other pcs feels straight out of a slasher film and tooks the dudes everything

[rough basalt]

Enspelled Staff if you're using 5.5e if not then I don't believe so.

[short brook]

my character just cringed

[kind gate]

Damnit ok

[short brook]

Skin, meat, horns. I'm like damn dawg the guy was just speaking to us, that's... not ok

[empty thicket]

A sharp sword or a pretty intimidate presence around the violence you are capable to do, too.

[short brook]

My character isn't the paragon of justice but thats just a bit much lol

[undone rain]

Btw can a cleric serve more then 1 deity

[feral fulcrum]

Such is the nature of living in a magical world, Sometimes your bits are just good reagents.

[umbral girder]

Enspelled weapon in 5.5e
A consumable called the Spellwright Tattoo in Tasha’s I think
2014’s Bard could with magical secrets I believe

And Wish

[feral fulcrum]

Dragons are also Inteligent, people still love to make things out of them when possible.

[short brook]

Bro my PC is gonna die and just gonna get scalped or something 😭

[feral fulcrum]

2014 Bards (And as far as I'm aware, 2024 Bards) can get any spell they want with Magical Secrets

[knotty vine]

yeah but you can only get your power from 1 deity

[umbral girder]

Not in 2024

Wizard, Druid, Cleric spells only in 2024 last I checked

[undone rain]

Makes sense. But good so that means i can make like a cleric of tyr, torm and ilmater for example

[rough basalt]

What species is your character?

[past edge]

I go by monster hunter rules. If thing is cool or has some biological component that can be used, I make it something the party can try to harvest. Ex Behir has thick hide and a lightning gland in it's throat, purple worm has acidic bile and can have gemstones in its gullet

[short brook]

Just human lol but this slasher does not care

[feral fulcrum]

So, basically everything that's not unique to Sorcerors and Warlocks.

[umbral girder]

Or Paladin

[rough basalt]

Yeah he'd probably get some clothing out of you

[umbral girder]

Or warlock or Ranger

[feral fulcrum]

Meh, Ranger specific spells are pretty trash so nothing of value was lost

[umbral girder]

Artificers don’t have uniques to my knowledge so I’m not adding them

[feral fulcrum]

Artificers just borrow from Wizard spell list

[rough basalt]

Ye they just a mix of the cleric and Wizard spell lists

[steady sentinel]

Honestly got a question now, if you were to make a pact with Bhaal what warlock subclass could work?

[umbral girder]

Fiend

[short brook]

the person didn't care for components, they were just hungry and wanted to sell the parts. Those things are gonna sell for like 5 gold bro, just leave it 😭

[umbral girder]

Or just play Scion of the Three Rogue

[rough basalt]

Ye if a PC in the party dies I'd definitely watch out for what they do.

[past edge]

Well Bhaal is a god, so my first instinct would be celestial... but he is murder oriented, so maybe something like undying would fit better mechanically

[umbral girder]

Why undying?

Undying is actively not being murdered

[rough basalt]

Undying would definitely not fit mechanically, or thematically.

[feral fulcrum]

He's the god of murder, Undying and Undead very much do not fit.

[umbral girder]

Evil gods are usually Fiends so just do fiend

[feral fulcrum]

He likes things being dead, and Staying dead.

[past edge]

Because as a god, he'd keep you alive until you've killed as many people as he deems fit. As a god, resurrection is fully within his power, and he would keep you alive whether you like it or not until you do what he has bid you to do

[rough basalt]

No he wouldn't

[umbral girder]

That’s Myrkul

[rough basalt]

He doesn't give a crap about any of his worshippers

[tribal night]

Wizard sorcerer builds are so silly.

[umbral girder]

The other god of the dead three

[feral fulcrum]

Lol no, Bhaal is happy to let All of his mooks die

[tribal night]

500 spell slots used

[rough basalt]

He actively pushes his worshippers to kill each other as long as it's bloody and beautiful

[feral fulcrum]

Even his Favored mooks kicking the bucket is fulfilling his purpose

[past edge]

Well then I guess celestial since undying was such an awful answer lmao

[umbral girder]

Why celestial?

[feral fulcrum]

It's an objectively good thing to die

[past edge]

Because he is a god

[rough basalt]

Celestial is the healer sub tho

[umbral girder]

You know that God doesn’t equal celestial right?

[past edge]

EXACTLY

[short brook]

uh can't you just go like hexblade because u poke people to death

[umbral girder]

Like Gods are a lot of different creature types

[short brook]

Thats murder 👍

[umbral girder]

Fey and Fiends even Aberrations

[rough basalt]

I'm pretty sure Bhaal resides in the Lower Planes doesn't he?

[past edge]

Thank you for suggesting a different thing instead of just dunking on me

[rough basalt]

Fiend would be an easy fit.

[umbral girder]

Notably Hexblade is the Raven Queen subclass

[short brook]

Hexblade curse could be flavored as being Bhaal's victim

[feral fulcrum]

Turned Generic Sentietn Weapon subclass in 2024 IIRC

[steady sentinel]

Also undying is objectively the absolute trash subclass of warlock ngl

[umbral girder]

Not in 2024 still

[rough basalt]

Ye Undying was WotCs darkest moment in 5es history in the 2010s

[feral fulcrum]

Must have been thinking of the wording on it's UA

[short brook]

I mean, i don't think the flavor text matters that much

Wasn't it the shadowfel?

[feral fulcrum]

The dumbest moment was the release of SCAG.

[umbral girder]

Where do you think the Raven Queen is from and who do you think is making the Hexblades?

[junior jasper]

Hi again!

[feral fulcrum]

A book full of the aboslute Worst designed things to ever disgrace 5E

[rough basalt]

Green Ronin realizing they were about to release the worst book in 5es history
"Hehe ye boy"

Until Spelljammer came along

Cause at least SCAG has some good subs and species variants ect.

[feral fulcrum]

Spelljammer was just lazy not poorly designed.

[short brook]

ya, I got it i was just asking the location not the god

[umbral girder]

Agreed SCAG with terrible ideas like Swashbuckler and Bladesinger

[feral fulcrum]

It was a Monster Splat they pretended was a setting book

[short brook]

Regardless, that doesn't matter still

[rough basalt]

True. Spelljammer was just "Alright release this so they stop asking for it."

[feral fulcrum]

I'm still disgruntled about the whole thing.

[rough basalt]

Then surprised when people didn't like that the combat rules were "just don't do combat" and travel rules were "go to forgotten realms"

[short brook]

I fear that'd happen to dark sun if they released another book

[steady sentinel]

Yeah I'll probably go fiend and I haven't touch that one though if my group allowed my favorite class I'll definitely went with it but nope which is Illrigger

[rough basalt]

If it was under the old guard yeah

I think it was apparent Crawford and Perkins did not wanna be working on dnd anymore.

[knotty vine]

Yall what is a half humanoid half devil

[umbral girder]

Considering how much the new team is knocking it out of the park with setting stuff I’d love to see how they handle Dark Sun

[feral fulcrum]

Cambion iIRC

[junior jasper]

Tiefling.

Kinda.

[feral fulcrum]

Tieflings don't even need to be all that devil adjacent.

[short brook]

I trust y'alls word

[rough basalt]

They had so much damage to try and repair from 4e and then damage of their own.

[feral fulcrum]

Tiefligns are just dudes that huffed too much Fiendish or Demonic essence.

[short brook]

Dark Sun is a cool setting, I hope they do release something of it in the future (good hopefully)

[junior jasper]

Honestly yeah.

[rough basalt]

If they use Dark Sun 4e as reference it'll probably be good

Since in 4e was when they made the one Sorcerer-King have a change of heart and wanna save Athas.

[umbral girder]

They did use 4e’s DMG and powers for the 2024 core rules

So it is possible

[knotty vine]

I need more power

[rough basalt]

Ye if they build off 4es lore then it'll be yet another common 4e W

[feral fulcrum]

They're basically just like the Fiend version of Aasimar. Just insert Species, generally human effected by too much Fiendish energy. Like Aasimars are just guys hopped up on Celestial energy

[feral fulcrum]

Eat a plot rock

[umbral girder]

The only part of 4e lore that is good. That being Dark Sun

[rough basalt]

Yep lol

Dark Sun was the only good 4e setting book

[umbral girder]

Although I do have a soft spot for Abier and the Dragonborn

[short brook]

lol I always hear bad things about 4e, must been the trenches back then

[cobalt escarp]

can’t someone also become a tiefling or aasimar due to bloodline shenanigans

[rough basalt]

The guys in charge of 4e shouldn't have been in charge of it.

Their damage is still being felt in dnd today

[umbral girder]

It was mostly people getting made at the game being changed so much compared to every other versions of DnD

[junior jasper]

I have played both, and it is exactly that. My Aasimar is and elven Aasimar and literally is the healer and damage maxer. (Divine soul sorcerer.)

[junior jasper]

Yup.

[umbral girder]

Then they had their own OGL disaster and treated their writers badly

[rough basalt]

A lot of the actual colossal mistakes were at the guy in charge level.

[umbral girder]

In terms of actual game design 4e is wickedly good to the point a ton of new TTRPGs point to it as a source of inspiration

Draw Steel, Daggerheart, and D&D 5.5e being notable examples

[rough basalt]

According to some research I did he wouldn't listen to anyone telling him something was a bad idea when 4e was in its first breaths.

[feral fulcrum]

If one had a Tiefling/Aasimar in their bloodline, yes. It works alot like Sorcerors, "Make up what bout of magical nonsense created your magical self."

[junior jasper]

I personally hate 5.5e, but a lot of people like it, like my dad.

[rough basalt]

He was the one who did the whole Spellplague nuke FR so there's no lore so players can make their own lore.

[umbral girder]

Oh yeah and Pathfinder 2e was also inspired by 4e too

[short brook]

I've heard good things about the classes (I think)

[feral fulcrum]

Why do you hate 5.5e?

[rough basalt]

And told FR writers and Ed Greenwood "lol just deal with it."

[umbral girder]

Also it was when they changed their output of books for D&D.

[delicate owl]

Nooo, not the rant about 5.24, not againnn

[feral fulcrum]

WOTC has been proffesionally ignoring Ed Greenwood for like, years.

[umbral girder]

3.5e was basically every week while 4e does what happens now which is every few months

[rough basalt]

Until the new team stopped ignoring him thankfully

[simple otter]

With the new UA, you are all obligated to make an encounter of an Erinyes/Narzugon w/ a clipboard grading 4-5 Hell Knights either fighting or menacing the party. Or, for the diplomatic outcome, they hand out pamphlets.

[short brook]

Ed Greenwood's vids are real nice

[rough basalt]

The new team seems to be trying to fix all the damage the 4e corporate did and 5e corporate barely tried to fix.

[short brook]

Love that he's making extra lore videos for his setting after all

[simple otter]

@junior jasper How thick is the Levistus Iceberg today

[feral fulcrum]

Extra THIIC

[rough basalt]

With acknowledging Ed professionally again, bringing Tracy Hickman and Luke Gygax in for more dnd IP work.

[simple otter]

Another 5mm of frost was added for this joke

[feral fulcrum]

To quote Aku

[umbral girder]

It’s fun reading 5e’s UA (called D&D Next) which kept trying to make a new system with lots of issues before eventually just doing a streamlined 3.5e

[rough basalt]

Cardbuilder 5e

[junior jasper]

A lot of reasons. Mostly just because I learned to play with 5e, and am super rigid and have a tough time learning. You don’t know real stubborn defeat until you lose your PHB and have to get a new one, only to discover that you can’t get it from stores anymore and have to spend 40USD to get a 2014 copy off eBay.

[rough basalt]

It's really not that different. It's just every class is good and all monsters are stronger.

[lavish flame]

thats less than the MSRP of the book in 2014

[rough basalt]

With better guidance for a lot of things, and better treatment of official settings so far.

[short brook]

I do like 5.5e a lot, but there's a lot I liked from 5e. An amalgamation of both is good

[junior jasper]

Ohmygoodness. You asked me about lore of my character. But anyways, it’s only 2 meters thick, but it’s magically imperceptible.

[simple otter]

I do love the idea of Aspiring Warlocks hoping to serve Asmodeus being handed protien powder and Extra Attacks instead

[junior jasper]

I know.

[short brook]

I miss using athletics for grapple checks

[umbral girder]

So nothing to do with 5.5e

[rough basalt]

I wasn't a fan of the all level 3 subclass at first, but then I liked it when I imagine Clerics and Warlocks being barely paid interns

[umbral girder]

Like games go out of print

[rough basalt]

And also it makes things pretty cleaner.
Everyone hits 3 and gets excited for subs.

[umbral girder]

Especially with DnD being roughly 10 years per edition

[simple otter]

Please do not lick the Levistiberg, it does count as damning your soul

[junior jasper]

They also got rid of half elves and half orcs and now you don’t get your ability score increased by species.

[junior jasper]

Yup.

[umbral girder]

Yeah it’s now your background. Also half elves and Orcs are still a thing

[rough basalt]

Because the life you lived being what affects your capabilities makes more sense than your race.

[umbral girder]

You just don’t have a unique mechanic for them, you just use the features of either

[simple otter]

I think having choice with Racial API is a decent thing, because it led to way too many "Recommended Classes" for Races just being what you had to pick to not get boo-womp'd early on by forefiting feats

[rough basalt]

And in the setting where Half-Elves and Half-Orcs are their own long established people at least the Khoravar have their own species.

[umbral girder]

Yeah you still get the same starting stats overall since it’s in your background (which would have more bearing on your ability scores realistically)

[simple otter]

Playing Neverwinter Nights, I do marvel at how limited the LE writing was back then

Everything was either Chaotic Evil or Lawful Good

(The Video Game)

[short brook]

man I wish buying books was easier because hard covers are so nice

[junior jasper]

I know, but I feel like a half orc with big fingers would not be able to get super good (to an extent) at picking locks precisely.

[umbral girder]

Why would they have big fingers?

[simple otter]

Bigger handled lockpicks exist

[rough basalt]

People overcome their physical traits all the time.

[umbral girder]

They are still medium creatures after all

[simple otter]

Also who needs a lockpick

You're using a Waterdeep Expertise Lock, it can be opened with a Waterdeep Expertise Lock

[junior jasper]

I know that I’m super rigid. I spent months learning 5e and now everyone is switching to something I’m going to have to spend another full year and a half learning.

[umbral girder]

Not really

[rough basalt]

It's literally not that different.

[simple otter]

It's evolving

[umbral girder]

Its basically the same as 5e with better organization to read

[rough basalt]

It's just 5e in its true form.

[short brook]

I mean it's not that different

[simple otter]

And the neat part is you can choose what rules to use

[junior jasper]

Ah yes, I totally have months of free time to learn.

[rough basalt]

It's literally not that different.

[umbral girder]

Why would it take months? Its the same system.

[rough basalt]

5.5e is just 5e with a shower and well shaved.

[umbral girder]

They even made it easier to read

[burnt grove]

Weapon masteries and backgrounds takes months? The only other thing is monsters but no one like no one will care if you memorize all the new stuff in monsters

[umbral girder]

Plus there is only like around 10 Weapon masteries

[plush osprey]

can I hide then use like misty step to teliport behind someone to get advantage?

[stiff rock]

there really aren't that many major differences between the two editions. picking up 5.5e from my brief experience with baldur's gate and 5e took me a couple weeks at most

[quaint hound]

Yall if your dnd character had pokemon typings what would they be

[umbral girder]

Bonus action to teleport and action to hide.

So you'd have to wait another turn to not get discovered

[burnt grove]

Missingno type as I had 12 potential campaigns but zero characters realized

[stiff rock]

in 2024 no, casting a spell breaks invisibility - which the hide action gives you. not to mention the verbal components misty spell

[umbral girder]

Also yeah hiding in 2014 also breaks if you cast a spell to

[junior jasper]

I am aware, but the fact that I had to spend that amount of time to learn 5e, which the parts that I actually use are becoming obsolete.

[lavish flame]

When you spend time to learn 5.5, you might get dissappointed it isn't more different. It is fr just the same game, with some very minor tweaks. I was honestly hoping 5e->5.5 would be a little more like going from 3.5 to 4e. 5e->5.5 is closer to going from Basic to AD&D.

[plush osprey]

ah forgot about the verbal part

[umbral girder]

Except you won't?

[stiff rock]

5e and 5.5e intersect quite nicely. i still use the 2014 expanded rules in my games that use the 2024 core rules

[plush osprey]

crap okay thanks (I need advantage since I need these crits for my vorpal blade)

[umbral girder]

Because you already have the knowledge of how the system works from learning 2014

So you already now 95% of 5.5e already

[stiff rock]

you can mostly pick and choose what you do and don't like, as 2024 is mostly just a revision of the general rules

[rough basalt]

Like Monk for example
The difference between 2014 Monk and 2024 Monk is 2024 Monk does more damage, and has more focus points essentially and is less reliant on stunning strike.

That's it.

[umbral girder]

Fighter gets weapon masteries and better indomitable now for 2014 vs 2024

[burnt grove]

Bra I seen that lol you almost confused the poor guy 2014 lol

[rough basalt]

Or 2024 Fighter. All they changed was adding more second wind charges, you can use second wind on ability checks, and now indomitable adds your fighter level to the reroll so it actually helps now.

[lavish flame]

The game rules are better organized too, so learning them is considerably easier in 2024

[stiff rock]

if 'it'll take too long' is your only excuse not to use the new rules, at least have a go at reading through them. a brief skim over the free rules will take an afternoon at most and then you'll have a more informed decision on whether or not you want to fully learn 2024's rules

[junior jasper]

I was planning on playing a ranger for the first time, but now it all depends on a single first level spell. Also, half of the races I find fun to play are suddenly nowhere to be found.

[burnt grove]

Action surge no casting spells with it

[umbral girder]

It doesn't tho?

[rough basalt]

Ah yeah, which is good.

[umbral girder]

Like they just get a few extra uses of a spell.

[burnt grove]

You can use old races you know they convert well

[short brook]

I mean you could just use the 14 versions for other races

[lavish flame]

This is a statement that you will find is untrue if you read through the books

[rough basalt]

Yeah literally you just use the old species

[umbral girder]

Also 2014 races still work in 2024.

The rule is "If the feature hasn't been updated you can still use it"

[rough basalt]

Also Ranger already relied on Hunters Mark ever since Tashas it just wasn't called Hunters mark and it was worse than in 2024

[umbral girder]

Like page 1 of the 2024 PHB even says it

[agile pulsar]

If you cast flight on a fighter or any martial, they're kinda superhero like, especially if they're mainly unarmed

[simple otter]

Where is Mark's Hunter

[umbral girder]

Page 1 of the Basic rules too

[rough basalt]

Like in the time you've been here you likely could've already read the changes for players.

[simple otter]

Do Mount Rules work if you're running a Master Blaster build and if not why does WOTC hate fun

[umbral girder]

Sounds like a lot of judging something that hasn't been engaged with at all.

[jolly agate]

Pathfinder is dnd? (I'm not sure about the difference)

[stiff rock]

where would the rules for mounts intersect with character builds?

[simple otter]

Caviler and Mount Feats

[stiff rock]

pathfinder and d&d are two different systems of ttrpg

[jolly hound]

I wuv cleric

[rough basalt]

Pathfinder was born from DnD 3.5e and uses DnD 4e as a main inspiration for Pathfinder 2e and its a different company

[umbral girder]

different game by different company

[jolly agate]

ima give it a try

[simple otter]

warlock is coller

[jolly hound]

My last warlock was my fav character I’ve played

[stiff rock]

iirc cavalier only really gives you the ability to stay on your mount a little better. you can still ride a mount without feats/cavalier subclass, and you follow the mounted combat rules all the same (if that's your question)

[rough basalt]

If you're expecting dnd 5e you'll get quite an awakening.

[junior jasper]

Ok, I get it, I understand that everyone is suddenly using one that everyone says it better, but I spent too much time trying to learn one, and now it’s just switching to something else that I don’t have the energy for. It’s not like I haven’t seen the rules of 2024. My dad decided to buy the player’s handbook for me. I hate that the spells are slightly different, and half of the monsters that I thought were cool and wanted to fight at some point are gone.

[simple otter]

I swear there's one that gives you advantage on attacks on unmounted combatants

[rough basalt]

It's a pretty crunchy game.

[simple otter]

Monsters are gone?

[umbral girder]

The only monsters that didn't get reprint are Orcs and Duergar (and they weren't that unique) the rest are still in the game, in fact we got way more monsters out of it.

[stiff rock]

it's been a while since i read through cavalier so yeah i may be wrong, but you can still use mounts perfectly fine without being a cavalier

[simple otter]

Aren't they just 2024'd? You can still use Legacy Content

[rough basalt]

Other than specifically Humanoid statblocks that have been turned into generic ones of the same idea no

[umbral girder]

Also once again you can still use them

Because if it hasn't been updated you can still use them

[rough basalt]

Yeah legit it's only Orcs, and Duegar.

[stiff rock]

the 2024 mm also does have a section at the back for all the 2014 name conversions

[simple otter]

Just want all the tasty bonuses while riding atop my trusty Wasteland Warrior

[umbral girder]

We even got updated Drow

[severe herald]

Anyone in here draw? Physically? WIth pencils?

I have questions about a brand.

[umbral girder]

Which the new Drow are so much better to use

[short brook]

somethings are just straight up more fun, so idk why you wouldn't want to use them

[simple otter]

Drow Weapons are funny

[rough basalt]

And the spells are different cause they reworded a lot of them due to bad faith rulings

[simple otter]

Ah damnit, I got sunlight on my +5 and now it's useless

[rough basalt]

Also they buffed bad spells.

[umbral girder]

Making the Drow racial spells bonus actions is soooo nice

[rough basalt]

The 2014 rules especially the dmg were very rushed which led to a lot of assuming, bad formatting and unclear stuff.

[stiff rock]

yeah 2024's spells are imo better than 2014's. the new counterspell is kinda questionable though

[rough basalt]

New CS has been better ime

[simple otter]

Is Planar Ally still not a Warlock Spell

That always burnt my biscuit

[umbral girder]

I had players bully an archmage on my tuesday game so hard because of the new Counterspell rules

[simple otter]

Literally the spell that best works with a Patron

[junior jasper]

Those were the ones I wanted to fight! I wanted the experience of fighting a full orc warband as a high level character! I wanted to see how it is to fight a sizeshifting Duegar.

[crimson gulch]

Yeah the new counterspell is bad

[stiff rock]

i kinda prefer the 2014 cs. it's a lot more balanced

[umbral girder]

They are still in the game

[stiff rock]

in 2024 you pretty much have the same chance at countering a 9th level spell than you do a 1st

[umbral girder]

But yeah I had an archmage unable to cast spells because she only had a +1 con save

[rough basalt]

This just seems like nitpicking. They're still in the game they just were made generic so you can use them anywhere for any species.

Old Counterspell was just annoying

[stiff rock]

i kinda liked the fact that you need to expend a spell slot of equal power to counter a spell's casting, but i do see the appeal of the new one. it's a lot simpler

[umbral girder]

The old Orc stats in the MM had only 1 unique ability and it was the war cry. Besides that it was running and hitting things.

Which you can do with any humanoid NPC by giving them the PHB orc traits

[rough basalt]

Which you can just add the war cry to the generic statblock anyway

[reef tundra]

I still love how much Orogs were hyped up in the 2014 MM only for them to have an intelligence score of about 8-12 and no special abilities

[rough basalt]

I've found caster battles in 2024 to just be healthier and more fun with new CS

[umbral girder]

Orogs got better armor and multiattack. That was it.

[reef tundra]

I take a middle ground with counterspell

[rough basalt]

Cause it's not just "oh well I got counterspelled. There goes my slot cause I can't have it yet as a bard"

[reef tundra]

When a player uses it on an enemy, I go for 2014 version, when an enemy uses it on a player, I go 5.5e

[rough basalt]

I don't use anything from 2014 if I can help it.

[umbral girder]

So many spellcasting NPCs got bad con saves its funny

[stiff rock]

i like the DM stuff in xanathar's but yeah all my player facing stuff is 5.5

[reef tundra]

Personally, I found mixing both versions has made peak TTRPG for me.
-# For me

[crimson gulch]

Them not being able to counter 9th level spells from monsters with legendary resistances is a big problem

[umbral girder]

Plus 2024 counterspell lets you keep the slot, something the monsters don't have.

[lavish flame]

I was thinking this too, and then I ran an Arch-Hag and I realized the genius behind it

[rough basalt]

Idrc tbh

[umbral girder]

Or have people cast it more than once. Or have burned it ahead of time.

[crimson gulch]

I'll open with that so it's rare that it's burned

[umbral girder]

I had group of players do a triple counterspell to stop a PWK from Acererak a few weeks back

And it was his opening spell

[lavish flame]

wait this is awesome

I didn't even consider this interaction but its peak

[umbral girder]

Yeah a monster so magically powerful he can force his way through a counterspell is sick

[rough basalt]

To me I feel like my game is worse if caster battles are just purely which side has more casters.

[tribal night]

Dazed and silly characters are my favorite

[stiff rock]

100 wizard apprentices vs 1 lich

[tribal night]

Nothing goes through their minds, but they have a spirit

[rough basalt]

Pretty much. 2014 CS you just went and spent like a few thousand gold for a few 5th level casters then just have them counterspell with you. Becomes a Cold War where each side just stacks up more and more counterspells

[tribal night]

lich casts wish and they all die

unless the wizards prepared counterspell

[stiff rock]

can you even wish to kill a hundred people?

[rough basalt]

You can wish Tsunami

[umbral girder]

You'd get Wish sickness or recreate a spell that does it

[rough basalt]

In general I just never liked old counterspell

[tribal night]

Not sure, I don't know the limitations of wish

[rough basalt]

Always felt like a sheer necessity like if you have a caster in the party you need to get Counterspell somehow. If there was more casters everyone needed counterspell.

And if you didn't take it and your party got wiped it'd be your fault cause you didn't take it.

And it wouldn't hurt to try and recruit as many PCs as possible for more counterspells against the dms wishes for a 5 player only game.

[jolly agate]

It depends a lot on the DM.

[rough basalt]

Basically they changed it cause original counterspell was just too powerful and not very fun

[stiff rock]

thankfully the 2024 rewordings are slightly clearer on what can and can't happen as a result of wish

[rough basalt]

Notably new CS is player-sided.

Cause Monsters don't have spell slots so if they're counterspelled they don't get their use of that spell back.

And most caster enemies only have a few uses of Counterspell that they share with their castings of Shield.

[lyric idol]

Which I don't agree with personally and won't use it as such in my games.

[rough basalt]

I think it's that way specifically cause of it being a save and Legendary Resistances being a thing.

So a Lich can't just keep trying to spam PWK on the Wizard.

[umbral girder]

They don't have spell slots because it letes them manipulate action economy

[rough basalt]

And also why casters have high damage high attack amount multiattacks

[umbral girder]

You cannot use more than 1 spell slot in a turn and Monsters don't use spell slots. So they can use more than 1 spell in a turn.

Its a trade off for the monsters to not have spell slots

[tardy gorge]

GUYSS can I join a dnd party as a young person I don’t have no one to play with lll

[rough basalt]

Don't advertise your age.

[umbral girder]

Counterspell removes their spell if they fail but they get to cast more spells in a turn.

[stiff rock]

#looking-for-dm #looking-for-players , but make sure you read the age requirements for campaigns. also yeah, what sora said

[tardy gorge]

Okie

Sorry lol

[rough basalt]

Ye I've never had more fun caster fights since 5.5e dropped and saved them from needing nuclear deterents (old CS)

[stiff rock]

no worries, it's mostly for user safety than anything else lol

[tardy gorge]

Ohh i see for weirdos okay yea ill be safer

[lyric idol]

I like the spell system in 5.5e but Idk. I've been playing some OSE in another group with Grayhawk rules and there is a benefit for making spells limited.

[rough basalt]

The spells are still limited

[lyric idol]

Ofc Melee in OSE doesn't get nearly anything as good as 5e or 5.5e either. No multi attacks, nothing.

[rough basalt]

Yeah cause it's an OSR system ain't it?

[umbral girder]

Yeah its a different game system after all

[tardy gorge]

Guys so I’m dm’ing for my little cousin and I’m making a village any ideas for the village

[rough basalt]

Like Shadowdark has unlimited spell uses but you have to roll to cast and crit fails have significant consequences.

Like Priest(Cleric) loses the spell completely until they prove to their God they can have their toy back.

[stiff rock]

where's the village - costal, landlocked? is it a farming town, mining town, or something in-between? what kind of vibe do you want?

[rough basalt]

Through days of repentance as well as some cold hard cash

You think your gods gonna let you have magic back for free? Maybe don't fail so bad. Pay up.

[tardy gorge]

Just like a stop by town with a shop and blacksmith

[lyric idol]

Yeah I've been expanding a bit into other editions and even other systems and I do like the ones where nat 1s = fail.

[rough basalt]

Shadowdarks pretty funny

Ever been a Witch that casts a spell and fails so badly a baby is born into the world with an undying hatred for you and is destined to kill you?

[meager fractal]

Zoinks

[stiff rock]

ratton (rat-town) was once an inn by a crossroads - but as its reputation improved, so did the need for local employees. those employees had families, needed tools, and ended up forming a village with a reputable blacksmith there. the village gained its name after the inn's (and subsequent village's) infamous rat infestation.

if you want more than just a quick description, there are mutant rats in the inn's cellar

although to be completely honest, most villages i make literally are just a name and a sentence about what can be bought there. i improv the rest

[tardy gorge]

YOO BROTHER THAT FITS THE THINGS SO MUCH BECAUSE AFTER THE VILLAGE, THEY HAVE TO GO TO A FREAKING SEWER AND FIGHT RATS

[stiff rock]

glad i could help

[tardy gorge]

Tyy

[stiff rock]

does anyone know any cr ~6 monsters that would serve the same purpose as a mummy lord?

[lavish flame]

aren't Mummies CR 4? just pump them up a lil bit, maybe remove the Fire Vulnerability

[stiff rock]

mummies are cr3 and i fear wouldn't be an interesting enough bossfight, but if nothing else crops up i could probably make it work

hoping to pit it against 6 level 4s

i'm altering an 11th-level tomb dungeon to suit a 4th level oneshot but don't think it's quite fair to throw a mummy lord at them

[knotty vine]

based on the australian tv show "bluey"
starting level 3, no homebrew 😠
NO CHILDREN!!!
this seems kinda counter produtive

[stiff rock]

bluey and d&d is something i never thought i'd see combined

[knotty vine]

Same here

[blissful ibex]

reflavored lost sorrowsworn? c:

[stiff rock]

to be honest yeah that may actually work great

i might swap its hug out for spellcasting but it's otherwise perfect thank you

[cobalt owl]

Where did this come from lmao

[stiff rock]

#looking-for-players , 3rd one up

[cobalt owl]

As an Aussie myself I don't expect bluey I dnd

[stiff rock]

what will we do when bluey casts cloudkill

[cobalt owl]

shrug I also don't watch the show

[blissful ibex]

Bluey casts Dream of the Blue Veil

[visual smelt]

Can someone host a one-shot right now? lol I'm in the mood to play 🤣

[knotty vine]

Dont you have a human heart how cruel

do not anwser that skeleton

[fair summit]

You'll wanna check out #find-a-game , soliciting for games outsdie of those channels is against the rules
But also D&D isn't a pick up and play -kind of game. It takes effort to host a game, and not many are just gonna do that because some random wants to play. It's gonna take some time to find a game 😛

[visual smelt]

thanks for bursting my bubble.

[knotty vine]

indeed

Ever heard of dont shoot the messenger fellow

[visual smelt]

The messenger was the friends we made along the way

[blissful ibex]

or if you want something immediately; you could alwasy run through a selfguided CYOA c:

Info: https://1shotadventures.com/solo-adventures-beyond-the-vale-of-madness/
Booklet: https://1shotadventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Beyond-the-Vale-of_Madness-5E.pdf

Info: https://1shotadventures.com/3-lessons-from-solo-adventures/
Booklet: https://1shotadventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/DragonsDemise-5E.pdf

[small heath]

DMs (or players):

What ways have your party ruined an encounter and/or puzzle? For example, my party managed to solve an entire puzzle based on 2 clues 5 minutes in and my DM felt so sad.

[visual smelt]

guys. i understand how much time goes into a campaign. It was a light-hearted joke expressing my longing to play. Thanks for the recommendations though.

[fair summit]

My party keeps skipping most of my dungeons by sheer luck 😭

[flat monolith]

i suggest having a chasm eat them up and put them into the dungeons

no fall damage

[stiff rock]

my 3rd session DMing ever (having never played d&d before), player with far more experience than me lied to me about a spell description and proceeded to bore his way into and out of a prison. several hours of prep wasted, and the session sucked.

2nd story hardly 'ruined' anything, but my party once solved a puzzle before i'd even finished setting it up

[tawdry sentinel]

My partner turned up to a session that was entirely underwater with little air pocket mechanics and a single super expensive water breathing potion, she then told the shopkeeper they can do one and announced she had the spell.

[visual smelt]

We once had a player shove a nuke into his chest (he was a robot) thinking he could absorb it. (He couldn't and it ended very bad).

[feral fulcrum]

We had a boss fight immeidately stopped because the Sidekick Psuedodragon critted their stinger attack on the boss.

It turns out being immediately filled with a stunning (Well, unconscious, but...) poison = no more boss encounter.

[small heath]

In a previous campaign, during our downtime I acquired a ring of spell storing way earlier on and I put Hallow in it. Our BBEG had a huge army of undead used as a healing source/armor pool that was meant to make the encounter difficult. However, I then told the DM what spell was inside of it and let's just say, we finished the BBEG in like, 5 turns. 😂

[stiff rock]

that's a pretty creative solution, hardly ruins an encounter haha

if anything i'd applaud my player if that happened

[small heath]

Our sessions are normally 3 hours long. This one was 1 hour 12 minutes.

Ring of Spell Storing* is actually clutch.

10/10 item

[mystic eagle]

Power-scaling question for the DMs here, does having higher Challenge Rating(CR) make an enemy more powerful and beats enemies easily that have lesser CR than it?

[crimson gulch]

The game is not balanced on cr alone

In general the more powerful the monster the higher the cr though

[small heath]

I've seen 4-man lvl 6 parties defeat a singular CR 10 creature before.

They just knew how to synergize off one another

Unironically, sometimes it does come down to how skilled and experienced the players are.

[stiff rock]

4 level 6s against a single cr10 doesn't sound too gruelling tbh

[undone rain]

So whats the difference between torm and tyr. Difference as in what they stand for

[mystic eagle]

According to the 2024 Monster Manual, an assassin has a CR of 8 and it somehow beats a white young dragon that has a CR of 6 in challenge rating.

Also, I’m running a 6 player DoIP campaign and I’m using both of those with Cyrovain being the white young dragon and it doesn’t make sense him being the big villain but gives out less experience than one assassin that may hunt down the players. Should I buff Cyrovain into an adult white dragon or is it too much?

[stiff rock]

a CR9 beating a CR6 sounds obvious

the higher the cr, the more powerful it generally is

[crimson gulch]

Young dragons are pretty weak

I made cryovain ancient

I kill lots of pcs though

[small heath]

Honestly I am DMing for the first time next Wednesday and I've been thinking of how to balance encounters, but I guess that's something I will learn as the sessions goes on.

[crimson gulch]

The exp budget on page 114 of the new dmg is how

[stiff rock]

you might want to ask #dnd-lore for a more detailed answer, however despite sharing similar domains they do have quite different roles. tyr is also dead, which is what i think led torm to overtake his domains (i may be completely wrong though)

[undone rain]

Wait tyrs dead? Aw man

[hot marlin]

Uh... Yes and no. Imagine a monster with a thousand HP, six melee attacks a turn that all do 4d12+20 damage. Sounds strong right? It would be high CR. And then, that same monster, if given a speed of 15 feet, would likely be killed without the party losing even a single HP.

It's all about how the elements come together. Which party against which monster in which environment.

[stiff rock]

as of ~1400dr, but that doesn't mean you can't use him as a deity. just check with your DM

[hot marlin]

Too many variables to give any sort of hard rules, you know

[undone rain]

Well thats good atleast

[stiff rock]

"At some point between 1385 DR and 1479 DR, Tyr died fighting off a demonic invasion of the upper realms in an act of heroic sacrifice. Tyr's absence reinforced the role of Torm as the new master of Celestia." or so the wiki states. haven't checked the source

[hot marlin]

Tyr was resurrected.

[undone rain]

And if not ill just take torm ig

[undone rain]

Do all gods die and ressurrect man😭

[stiff rock]

my apologies, i somehow missed the section right below his death lol

[hot marlin]

Real complicated answer or funny wrong answer?

[undone rain]

Funny wrong answer

[hot marlin]

Yep, gods die and resurrect every tuesday.

Ping me if you want the real answer

[undone rain]

Sure

Go ahead

[stiff rock]

FR lore is really complex and often written over by multiple different people over multiple different periods, but from my ~2 minutes of reading the wiki (therefore making me an expert on the matter), tyr granted torm his deific power during the spellplague. he then died and resurrected during the second sundering, reassumed his divine powers, and torm returned to being tyr's right-hand ad the god of courage and self-sacrifice (correct me if i'm wrong @hot marlin )

so the intersection of their domains is largely based on what year your campaign is set

[hot marlin]

Alright, the real complicated answer is 4th edition.
4th edition did a timeskip, which was intended to "simplify" the Forgotten Realms lore. Specifically, it sought to cut down the number of deities by having many deities die, others fuse, others become "exarchs" of others (whatever that means), others revealed to be actually another one in disguise. 4th edition tried to do many other things to Forgotten Realms lore, almost all of them very poorly received.
When 5th edition came out, the general consensus was to undo all the changes of 4th edition and pretend like it didn't happen.

[undone rain]

Wow thatsssss something alr

[undone rain]

Makes sense

[hot marlin]

Tyr died because of the mandate to simplify the setting. Tyr was resurrected because of the general policy of pretending 4th edition changes were all undone so well that it's like they never really happened

[stiff rock]

tyr is dead, long live tyr!

though i do kinda think that simplifying the amount of gods may be beneficial, as there's like 100 something gods all from different editions and it gets a bit muddy

[hot marlin]

Beneficial in what way? Which harm is prevented, which benefits are created?

[undone rain]

Wow dnds not great at keeping track of its lore

[stiff rock]

beneficial for understanding of the setting, and to cull gods that are generally irrelevant. i'm not familiar with the entire library of FR lore, but there are a lot of gods

[undone rain]

Speaking of gods. What are yalls favorite god

[stiff rock]

call me simple, but i like mystra

[hot marlin]

The gods are not necessary to understand the setting. They are, in fact, the least relevant factor in understanding it

[undone rain]

Im kinda torn between ilmater or selune

[hot marlin]

The core of the setting is the nations, the people, their histories, and their churches. The only gods actually relevant to that are...Well, the ones relevant to the campaign. So cutting down the number changes nothing

[stiff rock]

to me it feels as though a lot of actions that affect the nations, people, etc. are related to the gods or are directly caused by them

but yeah, i see where you're coming from

you definitely know more than me when it comes to lore, so my opinion probably isn't as informed as yours

[tribal night]

Have you guys killed shadowheart's parents?

[undone rain]

No

[stiff rock]

#baldurs-gate-3-spoilers , and ||no||

[tribal night]

Oopsy

[ashen kelp]

Can a werewolf become a vampire and vice versa or can ur dude only handle one curse at a time

[undone rain]

Selunes a very cool god in my opinion. Youd think she would be evil for her theme but no and i like that

[hot marlin]

If you were running a campaign about escalating tensions between Neverwinter and Luskan, with Thayan agents seeking to make things worse until it turns into a war, in order to have both countries compete for a trade agreement with Thay to deliver them weapons, which god would be relevant?

[stiff rock]

depending on your edition, it's a maybe?

[hot marlin]

If you were running a campaign about a white dragon with an affinity for druidic magic seeking a Nether Scroll and creating, say, ice golems to invade the village where its divinations told it that the scroll was, which god would be relevant?

Gods are plot devices, and they are an unecessary one most of the time. They're relevant to some PCs, not even all PCs. But to the plot? In the infinity of possible campaigns in the Forgotten Realms, the ones where the gods are not important to the plot outnumber the ones where they are. As much as infinities can be compared, which is a whole mathematical thing that I don't really get because I made the mistake of studying literature

[undone rain]

For a cleric or paladin yeah a deity will be a lil important but more for the character. Being like a cleric of shar of course says alot about who you are

[stiff rock]

i hate to be pedantic, but you could trace nether scrolls back to netheril and by extention karsus / mystril. i see your point though

i'm grasping at straws though, point taken

[hot marlin]

Netheril is fallen. Most of the Nether Scrolls are lost and fragmented here and there. Whenever one is found, people tend to fight over it.

[undone rain]

Deitys are definetly flavortown for me ngl

Like how a warlock patrons flavor for warlocks

[hot marlin]

Indeed. "Relevant to some PCs" as I said.

[stiff rock]

i do personally think they're quite important to the setting and shouldn't be ignored, but yeah incubus has proven they're not essential or widely necessary for a base understanding or the majority of campaigns

[undone rain]

Yep

[hot marlin]

While they do form the backdrop of some conflict and lore, cutting down their number does nothing. It's just a waste of energy

The number of gods is not, actually, a deterrant. People see that only some of the gods are actually important

[sinful gulch]

guys, is there like a gigantic compendium compiling all of the faerun lore??

i want one. would be cool. asking for myself

[undone rain]

Do you think any gods are important?

[stiff rock]

the forgotten realms wiki is pretty good, and the sources they cite are often even more so

[hot marlin]

Important in relation to what is the actual question.

Importance is a relational quality.

[sinful gulch]

but i want a big ol dusty book 🥺

[hot marlin]

You are important to someone or something

[undone rain]

Important to campaigns in general

[stiff rock]

if there is, i wish i had it. FR lore has been written over by many, many people in the past. though i think you can find quite detailed books/entries based on whatever you're interested in reading about in FR

[hot marlin]

Which campaign? To Waterdeep: Dungeon of the Mad Mage? Not really. To Tyranny of Dragons? Yes, two gods are important to the plot. To my hypothetical campaign about war escalating tensions between Neverwinter and Luskan? Not at all.

[stiff rock]

like, to my knowledge, there's not one single book of everything that's ever happened in the history of earth. same goes for FR - the wiki is the closest you'll get to a complete compendium without owning a library and a spare hundred years to read it all

[undone rain]

I barely know any of those campaigns really but alright

[obtuse stratus]

Hey, dnd-discussion

[feral fulcrum]

Was Princes of the Appocalypse any good?

[hot marlin]

But to the setting in general?... They're not that important. The fall of Myth Drannor had no gods behind it. It was the story of a moron summoning powerful fiends and those fiends getting an army to ravage the center of civilization in the west. The fall of Netheril had one god have some importance, not as an agent, but as a McGuffin.

[feral fulcrum]

I never seen anyone mention it.

[hot marlin]

That should tell you a lot.

For precision's sake: Princes of the Apocalypse barely has a plot. It is a dungeon crawl, and little more. A relatively good dungeon crawl, but completely forgettable.

[feral fulcrum]

Oof

[hot marlin]

I give it a 5/10. Not bad, just so utterly mediocre that it's not worth your time

Contrary to other flawed campaigns, there's really not much the DM can do to make it better.

[feral fulcrum]

That's pretty damming for a plot that's supposed to be the Elemental Evils prepping for doomsday.

[hot marlin]

Storm King's Thunder is, by itself, a 3/10, but with a DM making a lot of work, it can become pretty good. This is not true of Princes of the Apocalypse

[glad ferry]

Campaigns are fun. Hardest part is creating or improvising and then adjusting as they do stuff not expected

Its really fun to. I love the surprises

[uncut zenith]

Yeah PotA is just bad through and through imo. The only thing a DM could do to make it good is take the back-cover premise and write their own campaign based off of it.

[fossil hollow]

Its just set pieces

[knotty vine]

gift of Alacrity is such a good spell

[hot marlin]

While all published adventures are just set pieces there is a difference between changing things here and there, keeping only the skeleton and fleshing it out differently, which turns SKT into a good game, and just dissassembling the entire skeleton, acting like Victor Frankenstein on a cocktail of a dozen different drugs, adding some genetic modifications, and torturing the campaign until it bends your way, which is what is required to make Princes of the Apocalypse good.

TLDR: You can have a good SKT that is still SKT. This is not true of PotA.

[olive mauve]

Would you, if you were my DM, hypothetically allow me to play a character that boils down to a combo of

MadManFenrir's American Wizard

&

Helsing Ultimate Abridged Alucard

?

[frail wasp]

no

[olive mauve]

It'd be funny though?

[fossil hollow]

No. Theyre good because theyre not in DND

[frail wasp]

oops no punchline

[olive mauve]

It'd be funny though

[fossil hollow]

Theyre funny because theyre not in a DnD setting

[hot marlin]

Comedy comes from context

[fair summit]

I'm not familiar with the first one, but the second one I'd have a talk with a player as to what extent they'd wanna play a character like that, and decide based on that.
Many characters don't work for D&D like they work for series they're from. They might be funny, but that comedy works because its written that way, alongside other characters. Its not gonna be nearly as funny with actual players having to deal with someone playing that kind of character

[hot marlin]

While I am not familiar with the first character, I know that Hellsing Ultimate Abridged Alucard is only good because he is written by excellent comedy writers. Not by someone improvising sexual harassment. Because, yeah, a lot of the jokes around the character are sexual harassment.

They're good jokes, don't get me wrong.

But again: Written by a team of excellent writers. Read by a professional actor. Tweaked a lot between the writing and the moment the episode is uploaded.

I simply do not trust someone to improvise that kind of humour and be funny, especially not someone who is not a professional.

Moreover people need to stop trying to be funny and play the goddamn game.

[fair summit]

Humor and jokes are gonna be better coming naturally. Trying to be funny / making a joke character is not gonna be nearly as funny as whatever on the spot shenanigans is gonna come up in the game 😛

[hot marlin]

Seriously, this desperate need to artificially insert jokes in D&D games? It's not good. It's not trying to make the game funny or good. It's people trying to flatter their own egos convincing themselves that they are a person that can be funny. Comedy comes from situation.

And so we end up with people with a sense of humour about as refined as a toddler's, inserting humour that does not belong, that distracts away from the situation, that ruins immersion in the world, and who are so utterly incapable of making their own jokes that they're reduced to just aping something else they saw.

The result? Reference humour. The joke was not funny, but you can still expect positive reaction because it reminds people of something that was funny.

The lowest level of comedy, lower than the lowest pit of the Nine Hells

[fossil hollow]

Like, I wouldnt find Alucard as funny if he was in something liiiike uhhh. I dunno, Strawberry Shortcake

[severe rampart]

Incubus is hitting an insane combo, I felt that in my soul

[fossil hollow]

(thats a lie, i would, i just would be wondering who made that episode and who let that slide)

[severe rampart]

I very much agree, though, jokes that come organically usually tend to be even funnier rather than artificial jokes from a joke character

[fair summit]

Also so many times I see players with ideas / characters that are basically: "I saw this online in a meme / video, tohught it was funny, and I wanna repeat the joke!"

[hot marlin]

Joke characters are a bit of a pet peeve of mine. And I play a comedic character in Ti's campaign

[fickle heart]

Damn, you too? 🐐

[severe rampart]

Rolled a Nat 1 on my Medicine Check (with my Wis modifier it was a 0), so I begged my DM "please let me use the 0 it would be so funny", the dice sometimes tell the story (I had advantage, I decided not to use it)

[hot marlin]

I couldn't resist the idea of a wizard who just faints in joy at the idea of going to Candlekeep.

[stiff rock]

you guys play d&d together?

i had no idea people in this server were so connected lol

[severe rampart]

Ever since I rolled a natural 1 on a d100 I've seen the dice in a different light

[woven flint]

Session 0 of the fairytale campaign that I'm gonna be playing my Firbolg Bard for 😎

[severe rampart]

oh Fairy Tale the anime? or as in folk tales?

[woven flint]

Folk Tales

[severe rampart]

Oooh, sounds fantastical

[woven flint]

Yeah
Gonna be a Firbolg Moon Bard
Don't have an actual name for him yet, but the functional placeholder is "Pistachio"

[severe rampart]

keep it

Pistachio is an awesome name for a bard

[woven flint]

He IS Fey Adjacent, so, probably

[severe rampart]

That reminds me, I should build a moon bard soon

[limber trail]

There’s a bit of a honeycombed network of ppl in this server who play together

I play a game weekly with Ti, Tamms, and Tokii

[stiff rock]

damnn - wish i could work my way into it lol, guessing they're private games though

[woven flint]

Damn right 😎

[limber trail]

I mean I joined through a lfg post

[stiff rock]

i've not had much luck with the lfg channels in the past

puts me off checking it

[limber trail]

They’re very hit or miss

[woven flint]

Ti, Tamms, Me and Horizon smh
You named Tamms' character lol

[limber trail]

I’m tired

I’ll throw a rock at you

[stiff rock]

if you'd have me, i'd love if you kept me in mind should you ever need an additional player in any of your games. would be great to play with some people i'm somewhat familiar with

[severe rampart]

I'm laughing so hard right now, and I can't explain why

[feral fulcrum]

Pistachio the Mustachiod

[severe rampart]

It's probably because I just woke up, but here, when you throw a rock at someone they're obligated to throw a piece of bread at you and I just keep on imagining that

[fossil hollow]

i tend to kidnap- i mean recruit people i vibe with

[knotty vine]

I absolutely love peace cleric +bless

[severe rampart]

never heard of the duo

[stiff rock]

-# kidnap me next!!!

[limber trail]

I threaten to throw rocks at a lot of people

[woven flint]

He doesn't have a mustache, no lmao

[severe rampart]

How many pieces of bread do you get a day

[woven flint]

Dio...

[severe rampart]

I can't believe I made a jojo reference without realizing it.

[limber trail]

…I don’t actually eat a lot of bread daily

🗣️ im too busy counting it 🔥

[knotty vine]

it pretty much allows you to give 2 allies a 2d4 to any ability check saving throw or attack roll

[severe rampart]

Oh yeah that's pretty nice

rolls a 2

[knotty vine]

Its an amazing support build

[knotty vine]

Hey that 2 can be all you need to pass a nasty saving throw you wouldnt have been able too

[severe rampart]

true

you never know though

might be unlucky twice

[feral fulcrum]

Kono Dio Da!

[knotty vine]

true! thats the fun of dnd

more dice more dice more dice!

[limber trail]

We've all just missed by 1 or just failed by 1

a +2 is the difference sometimes

[severe rampart]

rolled a 1 on a d100, Adult Gem Dragon showed me the secrets of the universe

[limber trail]

ah

[severe rampart]

Broke my character's mind a little, but he's alive, just needs a little therapy, + I got a free feat (Gift of the Gem Dragon)

[limber trail]

Gift of the Gem Dragon is a sick feat

I played a fighter/wizard with it and it was awesome

[severe rampart]

And all I had to do was be shown Cosmic Horrors

[severe rampart]

I'm planning to play Fighter/Valor Bard with it

[limber trail]

If my players got feats out of their cosmic horrors they'd be the strongest folks in the setting in a week tops

[knotty vine]

I been messing around with peace cleric

[limber trail]

Two of them canonically get dreams every couple nights which show them eldritch horrors

[severe rampart]

Ooo tell me more

The best I could do for now is premonitions of the future

[woven flint]

Cleric, Bard, Wizard, Rogue and a 5th person
That's what's been confirmed for this campaign so far 🧐 (the fairytale one I mentioned)

[feral fulcrum]

The problem with the Dragon feats is that you have to actually get it from a Dragon, unless the GM says otherwise.

[severe rampart]

5th person... perhaps a Warlock Hexblade?

[woven flint]

No, I know that for certain lol

[severe rampart]

there's 3 casters and 1 martial at least

[feral fulcrum]

No Fey Wanderer Ranger?

[severe rampart]

oo that's also nice

[limber trail]

One of them is a dragonborn. She's essentially getting at all times flooded with the instincts of her ancestors, to travel to a particular place in the world and prepare for a fight against a monster. At night she sees visions of her friends, her allies, and her ancestors, as they die. Most recently she saw as a great beast erupted from the sand below her feet. A being so enormous, that it so completely blotted out the sun, she believed it was in fact night.

That's the more tame of the two.

[woven flint]

We're loosely based off of Fairy Tale characters

The only ones I know for Certain are Witch from Hansel and Gretle

And my own.. essentially a Male Snow White lol
(Bard incredibly good with talking to animals)

[limber trail]

||(The monster in question they've started to accurately suspect, is in fact a tarrasque)||

[knotty vine]

Lets larp

[severe rampart]

I should be more creative with my premonitions

[tribal night]

We dnd players love larping

[severe rampart]

||Perhaps this?, a pc of mine is a reborn, and their memories are slowly coming back, they are in a very bad emotional state right now (the character), as they just witnessed the death of a friend (this friend, had a similar appearance to their first friend when they were first alive)||

[fossil hollow]

is this in the new slang meaning for it or actual larping

[severe rampart]

OneShotQuesters cough

[limber trail]

||The other one is essentially being at all times flooded with the memories of a dead god, which was killed and then over thousands of years was reworked, reshaped to become a weapon to kill its siblings.. Visions of a world that was ruined and torn to pieces, feelings of being in pain, as if he is being torn limb from limb. Dreams of a sunless sky in a neverending hazy twilight.||

[tribal night]

a dnd player who doesn't larp needs to immerse themselves better.

[severe rampart]

oh you mean LARPing

a new character of my player right now is a Hexblade Warlock with The Haunted One background, so I'm leaning into that for more premonitions

[limber trail]

I had a little fun crossover dream with them! In recent prominent dreams from both of them, they each saw rock, resting on the ground, covered and stained in splatters of blood. Can't wait for them to figure out what that means

I love haunting my players

[severe rampart]

What can you do to lightly mess with a Hexblade Warlock? (Their Patron is the Goddess of Order)

[limber trail]

it's a warlock, there's always options

[severe rampart]

yup, just looking for some pointers

this will be the first Warlock player I'll ever have

[limber trail]

Oh right this is you as the DM

[severe rampart]

I already killed his Wizard and Sorcerer

[limber trail]

I would lean into the warrior aspects of things. He has a patron which is essentially manifest in a weapon. So maybe that weapon has strong opinions with how it should be wielded

dreams of the foes it's cut down and those that it wants to cut down

[severe rampart]

The sword communicating to him "Kill that guy. Now."

(Because, well spoilers for the campaign CoS)

[tribal night]

I always love playing the haunted one

The idea of someone having a mental illness that either embraces it or overcomes it is so appealing to me

[severe rampart]

Oh wait, I don't have to mess with this warlock, he's already being messed with

The Goddess of Order follows the technical law

[limber trail]

Haunted one is very funny to me

I once played a level 6 fighter who had four feats (2014)

[severe rampart]

in Arizona
"No, no, you can't give that Donkey a bath."

[limber trail]

which now in 2024 is pretty easy to do

[severe rampart]

how many feats do fighters get again?

[severe rampart]

Yup, now I gotta make a magic weapon

[limber trail]

They get 2 extra, so 7 total

[severe rampart]

what's good for Hexblade Warlock that is haunted...

[limber trail]

Sword of Vengeance is a pretty solid uncommon cursed magic item, it's a +1 though so make sure you're happy with that

[severe rampart]

That actually seems pretty fitting with the backstory

[valid geyser]

Note to any good campaign ending: play that link in park song from transformers it makes it so much more conclusive

[severe rampart]

What I've Done?

[valid geyser]

Yeah

[limber trail]

I'll also enter into submission a smash cut to credits with "I want you back", or a more refined choice for those with a tighter palette, an in-universe dance party

[small heath]

Chat, does anyone know how to play Three-Dragon Ante?

[fickle heart]

Hit em with "The Last Goodbye", personally.

[knotty vine]

Im larping!

[stiff rock]

it's a complex card game, but you can check wikipedia or google for rules on how to play it

[hallow needle]

DnD in space might be the new meta yall

[next ether]

heya Im lookign for friends

[crystal star]

you've just stumbled upon so so many

👋 welcome

[next ether]

what game do u play aside from dnd im interested in trying some but I alos wnanna pla stuff like minecraft

[crystal star]

uhh well personally i play a whole lot of stuff, but this is a dnd server

i play a lot of dark souls, dbd, been playing esoteric ebb recently its a disco elysium successor

and you know i did actually start a minecraft map just a couple days ago
-# singleplayer, but ill mention

[knotty vine]

I gotta say as much as I love love love magic what i will always love more is doing things that are twice as cool then just casting a spell

Its why I will always support new subclasses that do cool stuff without magic

[crystal star]

like making a melee weapon attack with a longsword three times in one action! hell yeah!

[knotty vine]

Echo knight has to be my favorite magical non magic thing in dnd

[fossil hollow]

Dunamancy is the ancient and esoteric study of the magic called dunamis which is based on potentiality and probability.

the Echo Knight has mastered the art of using dunamis

[feral fulcrum]

My favorite magical thing is Sunblades

[crimson gulch]

Echo knight is very magical

[knotty vine]

It feels weird that most magical effects cant target the echo

granted it does have one hit point

[severe fox]

Is the echo knoght a creature or

[feral fulcrum]

Echo Knight is a subclass

A Fighter Subclass

And one that functions weirdly.

[fossil hollow]

If youre talking about the Echo, its a magical effect that technically isnt an object but is definitely not a creature

[severe fox]

That would make it immune to a lot of spells

Kinda cool

[fossil hollow]

it still has AC and hit points

[frail wasp]

its also not generally worth attacking

[severe fox]

true it cant do all that much

[fossil hollow]

it also pops to aoes

[severe fox]

dont most aoes say creature

like fireball for example

[fossil hollow]

most, sure

although i cant remember any aoe- oh shatter?

[severe fox]

shatter effects objects yeah

[obtuse stratus]

Hello, dnd-discussion

[scenic valley]

Guys how do I write a poem

[fossil hollow]

dont post the same message in multiple channels

[feral fulcrum]

Try Rhyme.

[scenic valley]

I didn't know what one to put it in so I did both didn't know that was a rule my bad

[twin flax]

Topic - Followers of Bhaal, if my character kills one for going on a murder spree, does that count as murder (for the purpose of a bhaal followers desired end to their life)? and if so, how would you vanquish them for it to not be murder?

[feral fulcrum]

Killing people in general is aproved by Bhaal

He cares not why, where, when, or often how it is done. Only that someone has ended up dead as doornails via violence.

[fossil hollow]

Give them the batman/flash treatment

[woven flint]

Bhaal cultists are asshats, kill them anyway, they don't deserve to live

Their whole lives are just about murdering people
They're likely not going to change and they'd probably be executed if you turn them into law enforcement anyway

[twin flax]

to split hairs, Isnt Myrkul death and Bhaal Murder? and going off the only definition of murder i could find in DnD, from 3.5 book of vile darkness, 'Killing is one of the most horrible acts that a creature can commit. Murder is the killing of an intelligent creature for a nefarious purpose: theft, personal gain, perverse pleasure, or the like. The heroes who go into the green dragon’s woodland lair to slay it are not murderers' would killing a murderer not be classes as murder

[woven flint]

Bhaal is murder, yes.

[hot marlin]

https://www.rhymezone.com/

If you've never written one before, just look things up in a rhyming dictionary

[scenic valley]

Thanks

[hot marlin]

Think of the metric too!

Oh, and read some actual poetry to get an idea.

[scenic valley]

Its for school

[hot marlin]

Learning to write a style starts by imitating.

... If it's not D&D related, it doesn't really belong here

[scenic valley]

Well i put it in off topic and thay deleted it so

[hot marlin]

And you thought after something got deleted from off-topic of all places, you would put it in the dnd chat?

[lavish flame]

There are college professors who still need to hear this, preach

[mighty wharf]

So you've polymorphed a Young Dragon into a rat... what do you do with the rat?

Because if you kill it, it transforms back doesn't it

What if it suffocates?

[hot marlin]

Assuming you want to harm the dragon?

[mighty wharf]

Let's just say, remove the Dratgon from combat.

It doesn't have to die but can't come back to kill us later

[hot marlin]

What kind of dragon?

[mighty wharf]

So it's a Young Green Dragon, but it's been polymorphed into a rat.

Would burying it with mold earth work?

Idk how suffocating and polymorph work together