dnd-discussion

[edgy glen]

Dope! 👌👀 Yeah it'd definitely be necessary to think of what happens when and while the player is dead, what happens to their corpse, how do they get "back in the game", etc

And in case of a tpw, maybe advance world events and such things

[edgy glen]

btw this lowkey reminds of the nemesis system in the middle earth games lol

Ah but I feel like that'd be a bit too much to do for just a dnd campaign lol

[fossil shuttle]

Just for some examples, there were times he might have to hunt down a certain demon that was causing problems (his main job serving the hells was tracking down demons on the material plane), going after an item stolen from his father's forge, claiming the soul of someone who owed a debt, helping a devil cult that was struggling, or delivering a message to another archdevil on another layer while avoiding any spies on the way

[edgy glen]

That's so cool ^^

[fossil shuttle]

I still think my favorite part of that character is his pet mouse (WotC should have never gotten rid of the urchin background, and I will never forgive them)

Well, urchin gives you a mouse, but she was rat

[rough basalt]

Well they didnt get rid of urchin they just renamed it pretty much

[rough basalt]

Warner bros. aint gonna do anything with it so may as well use it in dnd games

[edgy glen]

Damn shame ✋😔

That system is so good

[rough basalt]

Yep, they wanna keep rpgs from having living world like systems like it

They're part of the "Sauron did nothing wrong" crowd that believe that irredeemable evil (patenting the entire idea of npcs remembering pcs and getting stronger) is good

[edgy glen]

Ah shet

My GIF got ate

[rough basalt]

Tho now they're owned by netflix cause they didnt wanna use anything they owned but rather sit on it like a dragon hoard so who knows

[edgy glen]

shaking my head

Maaan I wanna find some people to brainstorm that roguelite gameplay stuff with, perhaps get a lil campaign of our own

Hmmmm, but I wonder about weapons, items n all that, randomized encounters lowkey feels like chaotic as hell 😂

[rough basalt]

It is crazy how the game industry just cant have an enemy army that functions like one in them now cause of it

[edgy glen]

Or maybe it doesn't always have to be like that where you must fight your way through, perhaps stealth would be a nice addition too- if it works, great! If not, fight or (maybe) run away? Idk man

[fossil shuttle]

If you mean the Wayfarer, then that's not the same background, because that doesn't have the pet mouse

[woven flint]

Yeah, the Urchin background just doesn't exist in 2024 rules right now

[rough basalt]

Ye cause Wayfarer replaced it

[fossil shuttle]

And wayfarer sucks

[rough basalt]

No its fine

Pretty decent

[cerulean monolith]

Well, it still exists, you just use the rules for using 2014 backgrounds with the 2024 rules

[woven flint]

Hello, Samamathan

[fossil shuttle]

It's not fine, because it doesn't have the mouse

[woven flint]

Ask your dm if you can have a pet mouse? lol

[rough basalt]

Why dont you just get a mouse anyway

[left condor]

Guys, DMs and players, what do you think about this kind of player?

Me (DM): I introduce a new homebrew rule to the table to customize and upgrade weapons, just to spice things up a bit for martials and add some new variety to the game.

To summarize: there are 5 weapon qualities: Poor, Damaged/Rusted, Normal, Reliable, and Reinforced. Reliable and Reinforced weapons can be used to negate one critical hit and turn it into a normal hit, but when you do this, the weapon loses quality and is downgraded to a lower tier.

The rules also introduce some ways to customize damage dice (like advantage on damage rolls or alternative dice calculations such as 2d4 instead of 1d8, etc.).

So far, the table likes the rule and it works well. It makes weapons feel more special, and everyone is interested in upgrading their gear or looking for higher-quality weapons from enemies or in towns.

[left condor]

THAT ONE PLAYER:

“I’ll just buy 100 of the cheapest weapons and use them all the time to ignore critical hits…”

And every discussion with this player turns into them trying to break the rule to become overpowered. They only want to exploit it in the most broken way possible.

Having weapons with different damage dice and the ability to turn critical hits into normal hits isn’t enough for them—they just want to abuse the system. And honestly, it’s getting boring and exhausting for me, because all I wanted was to bring something fresh and fun to the table, not create a new system for someone to try and break the game.

[woven flint]

My Bugbear Ranger has a pet rat, but because he found it and rolled a good animal handling check on it

The rats name is "Slank" :>

[rough basalt]

You made a new system that could potentially be exploited. You got two options, remove them (player) or let it happen, I insist on the first one

[marble lion]

not at all true, you can also just say "please dont exploit things in my game"

a house rule being exploitable doesnt make it a bad house rule

[left condor]

any of the other players wants to use like that

[rough basalt]

I'm assuming theyve already said this and the player doesnt care

[marble lion]

then the player can walk

[humble cairn]

Have you explicitly said "Stop trying to do this?" to the player?

[left condor]

I know dnd its not perfect and full of holes that can be exploited but is not funny

[marble lion]

but i assume the player wouldnt do it if told not to

[left condor]

yeah, when I say I m exhausted is literally

[marble lion]

if you tell a player you dont want exploits, then going against that is disrespectful to your time as a DM and possibly to the other players as well

[cerulean monolith]

Reminder that everybody starts can start a Trinket in 2024, two of the examples for which are: “A petrified mouse” and “A tiny mechanical crab or spider that moves about when it’s not being observed”

I’m sure most DMs would let you start with a mouse.

[rough basalt]

RAW DnD itself doesnt really have many serious exploitable holes that can be argued to be allowed unless the dm is a pushover or is being too liberal with "rule of cool"

[fossil shuttle]

My tiefling has 2 "pets", the Jane the Rat, and Gug the Otyugh, who he fed a spoiled sandwich and rolled a bit too high on animal handling for and decided to stay with the party and pulls the carriage

[left condor]

its just:
"pls dont do that, this rule is for think like this : examples"

he:
You can do this, and this, and this, and with this feat/ability them you can use that rule to do that, can I do that? or you ll be mad if I try?"

all the time

[humble cairn]

Ok so this is the point at which you've made the request for them to stop bad behavior and they have ignored it, which is a serious red flag and constitutes a kicking offense. I mean kicking them out of the group, by the way, not literally kicking them.

[marble lion]

i recommend telling the player that you feel like he is disrespecting your games intention by constantly doing this

explain to him what you DM for, what you create the game for, and then why his attitude is making you frustrated

[woven flint]

My Bugbear fellow is the only one with a pet at the moment because my fighter had a horse that died 😔

[left condor]

Now, imagine I'm not playing with "randoms" I'm playing with friends and kicking him ll be hard for all

[marble lion]

then talk to him

[rough basalt]

Doesnt matter, if you keep letting him be a pain in the ass itll only get worse.

[left condor]

Its just... why ppl must play "roleplaying games" like this.

[marble lion]

he doesnt understand how youre feeling

[woven flint]

"Dude, straight up, please don't try to exploit my rules and just be a kind person"

[marble lion]

because we dont all think the same way

[humble cairn]

"I have requested that you stop doing this because it's ruining the fun, if you want to keep ruining the fun for other people I'm afraid you're going to need to go."

[rough basalt]

Friendships will end at the table eventually if someone doesn't call their friend out on their annoying BS

[marble lion]

now for another question

how can a player even afford a 100 reinforced quality daggers?

who is selling 100 reinforced quality daggers?

[woven flint]

Hello, btw, Haise :>
Been a second since I've seen you, I believe

[rough basalt]

Probably is trying some skyrim infinite inventory stuff

[marble lion]

hello tokii have a nice day

[woven flint]

No, YOU have a nice day!

[cerulean monolith]

Intrapersonal relationships are games of boundaries. A boundary is a line that, when crossed, has a clear consequence. The line has been crossed, now comes the consequence or you permit others to ignore all of your wishes. The natural consequence, in this case, would probably be something like “I will no longer DM for a game with this person in it.”

[marble lion]

does the player realise that the DM can exploit too?

players when the DM starts exploiting

[cerulean monolith]

No, no, that’s not the point

[marble lion]

i know i know

[rough basalt]

If you let them do what they want, its unfair to everyone at the table

[marble lion]

i already said my piece. i said they need to talk, explain to the player how they feel and what they want from the game etc

[rough basalt]

Cause you either gotta play favorite and alienate the others by making them play legally or let everyone do whatever they want with no restrictions and now you have an unplayable game.

[left condor]

I dont want to do it

[humble cairn]

Clarifying question: Have you explicitly told him that it's making the game not fun for you?

[left condor]

"Look at me master I m a muchking"

"DM uses the book and create rules just to obliterate the player"

Not fun for anyone really

[left condor]

yep

[marble lion]

i am not telling you to at all. its bad

[left condor]

yea sorry

[rough basalt]

Then it sounds like they need to leave

or its gonna explode eventually

[marble lion]

i was just making an offhand comment on how funny the idea of players "exploiting" and trying to be super broken is to me

[humble cairn]

Wow, so this person doesn't care that they're actively making a group experience worse for someone in the group. Kick them out.

[marble lion]

the DM can just go "you die" by bringing in greatwyrm

or 10

[cerulean monolith]

Or if group dynamics dont permit you to force that, you need to leave. Or at least let someone else DM

[rough basalt]

I wonder if the others players are fed up with it too, wouldnt be too surprised

Being excited for game day and half the session is spent "nuh uh, you made this rule this way so I can work it this way"

[river vector]

My players have decided that killing goblins is more important than meeting with the BBEG. Lmao

[magic roost]

What adventures do you guys recommend for a beginner one shot introduction to D&D?

[umbral girder]

Easy XP

[umbral girder]

In a single session? Uuuhhhh maybe the DMG 2024 Oneshots?

Adventures of Faerun has a good few too.

[river vector]

BBEG waiting for the party to arrive to his manor.... Still waiting....

[primal wolf]

This is fixable by just stating you have to be holding said weapon?

[umbral girder]

Gotta use carrying capacity and rations for a reason.

[primal wolf]

Maybe I need to see the rest of what they're doing/breaking but my PC carrying extra weapons because they have been shown to break down seems reasonable- maybe not 100

[magic roost]

Oooo okay thank you! I’ll look into it

[fickle ermine]

hi

[umbral girder]

Yeah the DMG 2024 has 4 adventures for varying levels and Adventures of Faerun has around 50 one page adventures.

[magic roost]

Is the book dmg 2024 on D&D beyond?

[fickle ermine]

do you guys do online sessions here?

[craggy summit]

The server itself doesn't host games, but there are channels to help you find a game. Try #find-a-game or #looking-for-players

[severe fox]

So full…

[fickle ermine]

cool cool

[severe fox]

I ate too many dice

[magic roost]

I saw these cool eyeball dice but I don’t play irl I’m so sad

[woven flint]

Giving me war flashbacks.

[severe fox]

Oh lord

should I even ask what happened

[fickle ermine]

I haven't played dnd for so long that I'm at the point where I can 100% bg3 💀

[severe fox]

I need to breathe

[river vector]

If my players decide to ignore BBEG, he will not ignore them

[severe fox]

Time to feed the dragon

[woven flint]

Do NOT feed the dragon

Points at the sign

[severe fox]

But he looks so hungry

[river vector]

Literally why kill goblins when BBEG asked for a meeting to make an alliance. The goblins also work for the BBEG 😭

[severe fox]

Ugly things

[river vector]

Even if they don't intend on an alliance, at least try trickery?

[severe fox]

You expect to much from dnd players

[river vector]

But no "Let's go slaughter the forces of the guy who is not actively against us right now!"

[river vector]

Perhaps lol

[severe fox]

I was taught to always use strength unless the enemy said otherwise

[river vector]

BBEG: "Let's work together! Meet me at my place!". Players: "Nah screw you, Imma kill your goblins."

The fact that they don't even try to trick him is funny to me

[severe fox]

I try to be a honest player even if it’s too my detriment

I gotta get better at solving puzzles

[primal wolf]

If an NPC is open to an alliance then we can try that, but i feel like every time i see "lets ally the enemy" it's while we're in active initiative and we have to spend 6 rounds of half the PC's playing teaparty while the other half are getting wailed on but aren't allowed to respond in kind because we're "being friendly"

[tall forge]

My experience is that an alliance ends the combat

Or if its an alliance against another foe, combat ends once that foe is killed

Either way, taking 6 rounds in combat sounds insane

[limber trail]

Wrapped up another fun session today

[red steppe]

I say the DM take the L for this one, should've checked to see if there were easily exploitable parts of the mechanics and patch it asap before the campaign starts

[limber trail]

My level 6s (now sevens!) took down a cairnwight and a barrowghast, before long resting in a temple and crying. The paladin got a new sword, they travelled to a new city, tried out a teleport, and we ended off with players rolling their d100s

[civic bramble]

Can a cane be used as a spellcasting focus?

[undone rain]

I mean it could technically count as a staff or wand so sure go ahead

[feral fulcrum]

Ask your DM

[atomic kayak]

Having a player be rude and (from what you've described) only really try to use it in bad faith about a new homebrew thing? Yea thats on the player

[rough basalt]

Getting more work done on my setting guide

About a quarter done with the pantheon section

[delicate owl]

6... 7?

[civic bramble]

Does this apply to only normal weapons or to magic items? If normal items break it actually incentivizes taking up a magical armament pretty well.

[undone rain]

Dont you dare

[left condor]

nope. Magical Weapons cant be upgraded

[civic bramble]

Perhaps you could send players on a quest into a dungeon and they encounter some kind of enchanted weapon.

[civic bramble]

That is true, but it is very hard to break a magic item.

[woven flint]

I'm casting Dispel Evil and Good on you, you're clearly possessed

[civic bramble]

The main reason why is that the blade/weapon is enchanted

[left condor]

also, sometimes, Hazards, combat situations or whatever I think is logical can donwgrade the weapon quality (If I do this I also add that Every weapon, enemies included, can parry 1 critical attack before a downgrade)

[left condor]

reliable and reinforcement weapons can parry 2 and 3 respectively

[civic bramble]

If you want, maybe you could make my monsters that corrode someone’s weapons when they hit them.

[left condor]

yeah, acid, sometimes fire for wood weapons

[rough basalt]

How do rust monsters work with your stuff

[left condor]

but just think on " I ll has 1000000 sticks to parry critical strikes" its just unfun

[left condor]

wow like the slime?

thats a problem (for the players)

[rough basalt]

No in dnd there's a monster called a Rust Monster

[civic bramble]

You use weapons to parry?

[rough basalt]

It can break mundane weapons and armor

[left condor]

Not from me this is a homebrew by BOB THE WORLD BUILDER (I love his content):

Downgrading Quality
At the DM’s discretion, weapon quality may be downgraded in combat or under extreme conditions. In
combat, a weapon’s quality can be downgraded when a character is subjected to a critical hit of
primarily bludgeoning or slashing damage while wielding the weapon. In this case the character chooses
to either take the critical hit as usual, or to use their reaction to sacrifice their weapon, downgrading its
quality and reducing the critical hit to a normal hit. Weapons of reinforced or reliable quality can absorb
multiple critical hits before their quality is downgraded in combat (see Properties, pg 2). Weapon
quality may also be downgraded by extreme environmental conditions or magical effects including but
not limited to fire, lightning, lava, extreme heat and cold, long periods underwater, or very long periods
of time. Note: Magical weapons cannot be upgraded or downgraded.

check his video/patreon for more info

[rough basalt]

Rust Monsters are how you really have fun in regular dnd.
All the martials got nice shiny new plate armor? Here comes a bunch of ole rustys /j

[turbid vessel]

Hit em where it hurts: introduce the healing potion mimic

[civic bramble]

Got it. One concern I may have is that casters will be unaffected since they……….well, cast. If you’ve ever heard of anti-magic fields, those are a fun time for DMs.

[feral fulcrum]

Ah yes the 'Fun' that leads to someone flipping the table and getting a brand new shiny tale on reddit

[woven flint]

Hit wizards where it really hurts
Mimic that takes the form of a Scroll of Fireball

I'm evil, I know

[rough basalt]

Maybe they shouldn't have taken that shiny new plate to Lamordia

[woven flint]

No need to praise me

[rough basalt]

If I ever had PCs end up in Lamordia that'd probably be the one case where I start breaking armor and weapons.

[red steppe]

Spell casters against martial PCs are very funny

Plant Growth + Sleet Storm and then cast Slow for flex

[feral fulcrum]

Casts Fly, promptly ignores the Martial without throwing weapons, or bows Huzzah

[woven flint]

The Martials who chose flying species

[rough basalt]

I can't wait to cast Heat Metal on someone in heavy armor sometime.

[primal wolf]

It's really rare that a DM allows those ime

[woven flint]

I've never once had that be a case in ANY game I've played personally

[red steppe]

the diviner statblock on a mule against melee martials

[limber trail]

grr

[rough basalt]

I forget do Druids get heat metal?

[red steppe]

doesn't work :c

[primal wolf]

huh, I think i've played in maybe 4-5 games where flying races were allowed, and of those half the time the DM absolutely despised any time I'd use it.

[feral fulcrum]

Yes.

[woven flint]

Nevermind that MOST martials get movement speed increases or have a way to move really fast

[rough basalt]

Nice.

I see some druid enemies in my future

[red steppe]

phantom steed has 100ft movement btw, dash once and they have to waste turns dashing towards you

[woven flint]

You said on a Mule, not Phantom steed, though.

[feral fulcrum]

A mule can ride a phantom steed. (Note, I'm being entirely unserious.)

[primal wolf]

mule is 40ft so diviner can move 80ft/turn with it dashing

[red steppe]

yes

[woven flint]

The Monk and Rogue laughing at your pathetic attempt to flee

[limber trail]

80ft a turn is cute

[primal wolf]

the diviner statblock does get fly though

[red steppe]

barb rage becomes a moot point when diviner's arcane burst deals radiant damage (they won't get the same level of DPR until Lvl 20)

[woven flint]

I mean... not really?

[limber trail]

These are all intentional parts of the stat block anyways. It’s meant to do this

[woven flint]

The Barbarian typically WANTS you to keep your eyes on them and attack them anyway
Damage to them means less damage to their allies 🧐

[faint thicket]

Not really actually, if you lack survivability as the "tank" you just die and the enemy moves on

[red steppe]

they choose to ignore the barbarian (not 4e so cant draw aggro)

[faint thicket]

Now your allies have to use resources to revive you instead of keeping themselves alive

[red steppe]

Yes

Which is why you dont melee in this edition

[woven flint]

Looks SPECIFICALLY at monk

I'm not gonna hold you guys, that's a stank opinon
Melee is still fine regardless, as a matter of fact, its gotten STRONGER due to weapon masteries

[woven flint]

Then the barbarian keeps pursuing lol

[faint thicket]

And range doesn't have weapon masteries while not needing to worry about the lich auto paralyzing?

The humble lich slays basically every melee PC in melee

[limber trail]

I’ve never really seen any DnD players who build their characters like this

[red steppe]

mfw a lich is a better Fighter than the Fighter

[woven flint]

I'm saying that Melee has gotten stronger with weapon masteries.
I'm not ignoring ranged weapon masteries, but most of the masteries they get is.. kinda ass.

Wow, slow! so good and yummy!

Vex is good though, for certain

[delicate owl]

Where is my cleave longbow 🙁

[faint thicket]

You think slow is bad?

[delicate owl]

10ft max speed reduction is bad, yes.

[faint thicket]

And push?

[delicate owl]

Compared to topple, cleave, even graze and sap.

[woven flint]

Yes.
I indeed do.
Especially at higher levels when there are enemies can teleport or have movement speed that doesn't care about a 10 foot reduction

[faint thicket]

No it's not that's a third of most creatures' speed

[red steppe]

nvm they can actually do it cuz they'll die in like 2 rounds

[delicate owl]

Basically the same thing, just slightly better cause you can run away after pushing them away so no opportunity attacks.

[delicate owl]

Its only 10ft. Idk which kind of slow you're using but..

[faint thicket]

Have none of you ever trapped a monster in a hazard spell

[woven flint]

Not ALL creatures only have 30 feet of movement either.

[delicate owl]

Slow. If you hit a creature with this weapon and deal damage to it, you can reduce its Speed by 10 feet until the start of your next turn. If the creature is hit more than once by weapons that have this property, the Speed reduction doesn’t exceed 10 feet.

[primal wolf]

they did say most

[faint thicket]

Martials being a help for that is a good thing. Slow plus difficult terrain is freaking awesome

[primal wolf]

I'm not really a fan of push and slow masteries either but for different reasons

[delicate owl]

Sure, in low level encounters. Ever play past t1? Where monsters have ways to teleport, move as a reaction and ignore some hazards?....

[woven flint]

Or have speeds other than walking...

[faint thicket]

Most teleports need line of sight and most hazards block line of sight

[woven flint]

Difficult terrain and slowing is good...
But what about...

grappling 😎

[glossy otter]

How's everyone this afternoon

[red steppe]

81.13 dpr radiant against a barb with 17 AC, a Barb with 20 Con has 125 hp

[woven flint]

I love grappling, I'm sorry 😔

[valid geyser]

I mean there’s like, 10 teleporting creatures in dmg24

[faint thicket]

Average barb damage taken moment

[primal wolf]

pushing and slowing is for the warlocks eldritch blast

[faint thicket]

Yes but if I am playing a martial I would rather them push and slow over a increase to melee damage

[delicate owl]

Most dms dont relegate all of their creatures to 2024 only lol

[faint thicket]

And how many have no line of sight teleports

[primal wolf]

There's your problem ™

[faint thicket]

Lol

[valid geyser]

It was an example. If you’re a GM and you have to build most encounters to have teleportation access, you’re extremely limited

[red steppe]

It's truly a 5e moment

[limber trail]

Feeling good! Just wrapped up a session!

[glossy otter]

huzzah

[valid geyser]

I feel like a lot actually. At least ones who can do it with abilities like dimension door

[primal wolf]

Unironically I played in a WM where every single boss creature had no LOS needed 120ft LA teleport.

[faint thicket]

DM got microwaved a few to many times lol

[primal wolf]

Dm's* but yeah, any control casting was basically impossible.

[valid geyser]

I mean, the ones with the action just called teleport are sight bound yes

[red steppe]

wtf, what was their reason for doing that?

[faint thicket]

You would be surprised it's almost exclusively dim door

[valid geyser]

Arcanaloths funnily enough do have both a teleport action and access to dimension door

[faint thicket]

Yeah it's a yugoloth trait to have an action teleport but as caster they pick a better teleport

[primal wolf]

litterally just control spell hate, i'd ask but they just insisted i was being "Overly general" when i'd experience it in 10 of my last 10 games.

[faint thicket]

Arcanaloths are underrated

[woven flint]

Arcanaloths are unironically, super chill

Not biased
The Arcanaloth shopkeeper in Sigil is a homie though

[delicate owl]

So what, we're talking about.. web + hunger of hadar specifically? Cause what is even being talked about when it comes to no vision + hazard to where slow is suddenly better than topple?

[valid geyser]

I think more creatures need immunity to blindness

[reef tundra]

I love Yugoloths, I just wish they got more love by WOTC

[faint thicket]

Sleet storm and summons is another option

[woven flint]

Creatures Immune to immunity /silly

[primal wolf]

fog cloud also

[faint thicket]

They are my favorite fiend

Yugoloths are genuinely really freaking cool

[red steppe]

their fault for not moving to a system without a control meta, it's another one of those poorly written excuses

can we have more far realm boss creatures

[reef tundra]

I love their theming and how their neutrality makes them so interesting to interact with

They could be friend and foe

[red steppe]

bring back the Uvuudaums from 3.5e

[woven flint]

Bring back the Uvuudaum

[woven flint]

Stares
Same brain frequency

[thorn wedge]

Yesterday when optimizing was being discussed I brought up how it is kind of self defeating to optimize in DnD games, since most DMs will just bump up difficulty to keep things interesting in combat. This is what I meant.

[primal wolf]

one of my least favorite boss designs for sure, right along with recharge mechanics and giant AOE save for half

[halcyon forum]

love my sneak jackal wizards

[faint thicket]

Like yugoloths are a very philosophical evil and are merit based. Each rank of yugoloths is a lesson needed to be learned, this is why arcanaloths are stronger than ultruloths. The lesson is that political power is greater than personal power

[glossy otter]

I mean I just say raise the difficulty on the one player, let everyone else just enjoy normal difficulty

[reef tundra]

I just don’t play with power gamers

[primal wolf]

kinda but it just lead to a different optimization meta of "Nuke bosses really hard" so everyone played hyperagressive nova characters and the boss and PC's would just take turns trading damage numbers until the boss died

[halcyon forum]

which is a great argument to stay within the intended design parameters and common sense rulings so you got more of the game to play with and more options

[faint thicket]

I disagree, I find it enjoyable to say I fought impossible odds compared to the average player

[vale kettle]

How would you do that?

[valid geyser]

My thought process of why I dislike this kind of thing is mostly just a GM thought that I’d like to use monsters based on fluff reasons and it’s gonna feel pretty contrived if every monster can just teleport, but I also don’t want to run games as combat tests for people who are super optimized so this is more applicable to stuff like arguing against force cage

[reef tundra]

Say, if we’re talking about optimising… #optimization

[glossy otter]

in horde encounters just throw the more powerful ones at them, and have the average monsters go after the others

[woven flint]

So real, Amity

[glossy otter]

though tbh yeah, I do prefer throwing monsters based on flavour

[vale kettle]

Wont the party have to deal with the strong ones regardless?

[red steppe]

Winning anyway against such odds give one of the greatest highs you could ever get in a TTRPG

[faint thicket]

If you are dming for a group like that, its best to try and create unique effects for each dungeon. Sometimes it's teleportation other it's ghosts and other it's mages who take advantage of your own spells

Each have their own solution

[red steppe]

don't you dare give the dungeon portent

[primal wolf]

I posted about it earlier but when you don't have table rules you just go by mostly RAW; if you have a table you play at you can optimize for that table, but the "just play to what 'average' tables allow" to me doesn't work because i've had so many tables just outright ban really standard uses of begign stuff like using a phantom steed to travel somewhere or using fabricate to make armor.

[halcyon forum]

well for impossible odds to be actual impossible, you cant rules lawyer your character into an unbeatable god

[primal wolf]

is using a phantom steed to get from one town to the next really me rules lawyering to become an unbeatable god?

[halcyon forum]

no, your gripes with those rulings are valid i think

I was speaking more generally, sorry

[valid geyser]

Yeah the games swinginess makes things feel rather binary. Encounters can be cake walks or tpks. I guess emphasis on feeling, since players can often go panic mode when they’re winning just due to mixed signals

[halcyon forum]

but i dont think the choice needs to be between hyper RAW readings and dumb house rules

[primal wolf]

sure but where that line exactly is isn't really established and being able to talk about strategy without being hit over the head with "a DM could ban it" is useful

[halcyon forum]

well "a DM could ban it" is legit argument if "it" is way too powerful compared to other options that are supposed to be of equal value. especially if the language is not clear.

but yeah, the lines are not clearly defined

[primal wolf]

Like i really enjoy using tiny servants and giving them flintlock weapons: something i've wanted to do since my first campaign, some DM's are cool with the idea, others have gone out of their way to make it impossible.

[halcyon forum]

I mean, yeah? There are a lot of problems with the execution of that idea. I would totally let you reflavor magic stone as little flintlocks though

[primal wolf]

What's the problem with the execution of it though?

[primal wolf]

I have also seen this banned btw

[halcyon forum]

the size of flintlocks and tiny servants, their ability to load them, fire them.

nothing that wouldnt be true for bows either btw

[woven flint]

Also having like.. 4 strength

[primal wolf]

Flintlocks are small enough to be used by small sized PC's easily and there's no rules preventing tiny creatures from using them anywhere

[valid geyser]

i think its just one of those things that sounds like a whiteroom chicanery busted thing even if that's rather slot and money intensive, and not even that crazy strong (5d10 damage per turn that ends when one AoE touches you)

also i can imagine just some general disbelief that the plan would be a "simple, general command"

[halcyon forum]

okay so you get to fire a flintlock but no proficiency bonus and disadvantage because its an "oversized" weapon for the tiny servant

[valid geyser]

lets not bring in the dmg14 oversized weapon thing, thats a seperate can of worms

[primal wolf]

no prof is true, not dis because that's what the heavy property is about

[woven flint]

Suffering.

[primal wolf]

also even with the dmg14 oversized stuff in play... it's for things 2 sizes too big, muskets are useable by halflings

[halcyon forum]

I mean a gun made for small/medium creatures would be too large for a tiny creature.

[primal wolf]

by the rule that was brought up that's not true though

[valid geyser]

weapons are assumedly build sized for the holder

[primal wolf]

also then could i just buy and/or make smaller versions of said weapons

[vale kettle]

What rule?

[valid geyser]

that is true. Very game dependant if you could a craftsman who could make a 6 inch long gun

[valid geyser]

not even a really functional rule, but DMG14's monster weapon damage guidelines has this weird suggestion that creatures using weapons bigger than they are have disadvantage or cant use it if 2 or more sizes larger.

[vale kettle]

That is true

[halcyon forum]

I am open to a flintlock for tiny creatures with adjusted damage

[vale kettle]

If a creature tiny or small would be wielding a weapon made for medium creature they would have disadvantage

[swift silo]

Is a part with a warlock, cleric, monk, and sword bard a balanced party

[halcyon forum]

A creature has disadvantage on attack rolls with a weapon that is sized for a larger attacker.
from the 5.0e DMG

[woven flint]

I mean, sure, you lack an intelligence person, but its got the essentials otherwise

[valid geyser]

it would make sense, but most people here don't really consider it a legit rule for PC use because of its location in the DMG giving the implication that weapon damage die is size dependant, when the damage die to size thing is an internal game balance choice. I guess it's for some insane DM who wants to build an encounter of hobgoblins using ogre clubs

[vale kettle]

I mean does it not exist anymore ?

[halcyon forum]

i just quoted it. it hasnt been reprinted or replaced

[swift silo]

Who needs smart person

[woven flint]

You'd honestly be surprised how helpful it can be or probably not
Intelligence skills are just great in general

[timber turtle]

Does fighter get more or less boring to play if you focus your build on (cross)bows

[vale kettle]

Ill take a look at it

[primal wolf]

oh huh it does specify just 1 size difference; Still workable but slightly more difficult.

[swift silo]

Also the warlock has a high intelligence

For some reason

[primal wolf]

still if small sized weapons specifically don't exist then small PC's have disad with all weapons

[vale kettle]

Yeah rules as written it would be the case

[woven flint]

Depends on what you enjoy and what you don't enjoy
If you don't enjoy ranged combat.. Yes, it gets more boring
If you do enjoy ranged combat, no, its not

Its completely opinionated
We can't really tell you because we're not you

[vale kettle]

They would need to buy gear that is fit for their size

[halcyon forum]

well "sized for a larger attacker" is kinda vague

considering small and medium creatures take up the same space

[vale kettle]

Taking up the same space has nothing to do with it

[halcyon forum]

but like, that was what the heavy property was all about in 5.0e

that heavy weapons were to unwieldy for small creatures

so the implication is that all other weapons in the PHB are sized to fit both medium and small

[vale kettle]

Heavy and oversized are two different things but basically do the same thing

[valid geyser]

PHB5.5's equipment chapter says in general most equipment will fit PCs, but common sense will be paplied

[halcyon forum]

its the same concept. natural language

[vale kettle]

Up to dm i guess

The dmg5.5 has spoken i guess

Its up to interpretation now

[cobalt owl]

Today was truly a "AC stops mattering after a certain level" moment

[woven flint]

Maruts: "Your AC mattered NEVER to me!"

[valid geyser]

i think the assumption is just that you can buy equipment sized to your species and in general, magic items can magically fit you with exceptions if the DM says so

[cobalt owl]

Inevitables have always played by different rules

Its like part of their point

[woven flint]

Your Armor Class means NOTHING it serves ZERO purpose.
You should play more carefully, NOW!!!!!

[feral fulcrum]

I think the more proper takeaway is that is was a vestigial holdever that was poorly ported.

[cobalt owl]

Today was also a "Barbarian after level 9" moment

[restive blade]

I’m playing as a champion fighter with heavy armor, I’m going 2 levels barb for reckless attack, but is there any subclass that can work with a champion fighter? I can’t rage because I’m wearing heavy armor

[cobalt owl]

If you go barb you should not use heavy armor.

Heavy armor or barb levels.

Make your choice.

[woven flint]

Most barbarian subclasses rely on you raging to be effective

[halcyon forum]

barb subclasses typically do their stuff while raging

[restive blade]

I’m not. I’m only dipping barb for reckless attack

[feral fulcrum]

Because there were different sized weapons with different damage dice. And they half-kept it in 5E's format, desptie otherwise entirely ignoring size, because 2014 was fairly rushed out the door

[cobalt owl]

Not a good reason for the dip

[feral fulcrum]

So there were...glaring teething problems

[cobalt owl]

Imma be real, if you can't rage you shouldn't go barb at all

You lose 75% of what makes barb barb

Rage is like the whole point

[vale kettle]

Besides an army of tiny servants using long range stuff sounds like a hassle

[woven flint]

You also just lose a good tool that you'd probably take dipping for regardless

[feral fulcrum]

Reckless Attack isn't even that good

[vale kettle]

But i mean one aoe spell and their gone

[feral fulcrum]

You can just get advantage by flanking

[primal wolf]

i play wizards everything I do is a hassle

[woven flint]

Rage, that's what I mean.

[cobalt owl]

Depends on your table, I don't use flank

[crystal latch]

Reckless attack is more important than rage tbh

[vale kettle]

Yep

[woven flint]

Flanking rules aren't used at every table

[cobalt owl]

I certainly don't use em

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah but they themselves they were going Barb purely for Reckless attack.

[cobalt owl]

Because I'm stubborn, not because I don't like em or think they're too powerful

[restive blade]

I have a magic item that basically gives me a mini rage, with the damage resistances, and a weapon that gets me increased damage if I have advantage. Plus it’s helpful for fishing for crits no?

[valid geyser]

yeah i think the logistics of that and your DM's definition of what simple repeated tasks it can do is what makes it fine

[vale kettle]

The strongest class frfr mr I do everything that you can do but better

[woven flint]

Which is fine, free advantage.
Though, yes, enemies free advantage to attack them without the added bulk that rage can add is... questionable

[cobalt owl]

Magic items are a band aid fix and not considered in general build choices.

[crystal latch]

I don't use flanking because it favors things that are already too strong, i.e. hordes of expendable minions

[cobalt owl]

If you have a magic item that fixes what heavy armor takes away from barbarian then go for your life.

I just don't use flanking because I'm stubborn and I'd have to redo most of my blocks

[primal wolf]

tiny servants can attack and even when not ordered act to defend themselves; otherwise i think "Shoot that guy" isn't like... terribly complex as compared to sorting my books.

[vale kettle]

I don’t use flanking rules at the start of games but if players try to use flanking rules and ask me to get advantage i will start using them as well

[restive blade]

What dip/multi class would be good for champion fighter then?

[cobalt owl]

Unironically fighter gets the most out of being a mono

If you are dead set on multi'ing out, shit man many attacks go brrr with monk

[valid geyser]

i guess in my head i can see "grab a gun from the other guy, shoot the the closest guy, then give the gun to the other guy who will reload the gun" might be a bit much for a 2 int creature, but yeah DM discression

[vale kettle]

Oh they have 2 int???

They aint using shi 😭

[feral fulcrum]

Yes that might be a bit much for something dumebr then the average squirrel

And is almost at the point of non-sentience

[woven flint]

Monks lose Martial Arts stuff when wearing armor.

[cobalt owl]

You're so right, even more reason to go mono

[vale kettle]

Tiny servant will be using that flintlock as a mace frfr

[keen kestrel]

We do, but my dm also loves using anything with pack tactics, so he considered it fair for us

[primal wolf]

They're non-sentient but they're competent enough to do household tasks which are more complex than firing a gun

[valid geyser]

but the complexity is negated if you use your BA every turn, which at that point you'd be better off with another spell like spiritual weapon upcasted

[cobalt owl]

Pack tactics is a great thing

[vale kettle]

You mean the feature that pack monsters have?

[keen kestrel]

Prob nothing, fighter gets so many feats it’s easy enough to make up for missing other features

[cobalt owl]

Don't forget marshal undead, thats also a very funny thing

[keen kestrel]

Yes

[vale kettle]

You mean the only notable feature they have?

Oh no what a tragedy

[valid geyser]

but dont take me poking holes as total dismissal, I don't hate the concept after thinking about it

[keen kestrel]

Yeh? My dm still lets us use flanking rules as a way to let us have fun

[primal wolf]

Spiritual weapon isn't my favorite and it's not on my wizard list, plus tiny servant guns are really cool for like; artificers and transmuters.

[keen kestrel]

We’re just all out brawling in groups, it’s dope

[vale kettle]

Its completely fine to do so

[primal wolf]

I absolutely love transmutation magic, shame the subclass is so bad.

[restive blade]

Fair enough, which is why I just wanted reckless attack. Adamantine armor to block any crits and an increased chance I crit before going back to fighter levels was my idea.

[vale kettle]

Its fun, sometimes cover rules get ignored

[valid geyser]

no i get it, magical firing squad is fun

too bad that forgotten realms conjure constructs spell is complete garbage

[keen kestrel]

Fair, there is other ways to procure advantage (you also get a ton of attacks, so you don’t always need it tbh)

[primal wolf]

I like when I can still interact with the magical weapons and armor on my casters

[vale kettle]

Imagine you have it as a signature spell and during a span of 7 hours you just start spamming that spell then you attack whatever fool you intend to mess with

[restive blade]

It’s only for times I can’t flank really, either smaller horde fight or if I’m the only one getting near a big enemy before my teammates can follow

[keen kestrel]

Do you do 2h, dual wield or s&b

[restive blade]

Great sword with GWM

[keen kestrel]

Ah

[primal wolf]

oh hey signature spell is a free tiny servant every short rest

[keen kestrel]

Any weapon with topple is a really great way to go for advantage

[valid geyser]

i was assuming tiny servant would be upcasted

[vale kettle]

Hmm how many tiny servants can you have at like lets say level 14

The fact that it dont have a limit on how many you can create is absurd to me

[primal wolf]

38 if you spend all your slots from the day before

[feral fulcrum]

2014 is a little unclear if it stops being a creature or not when the spell ends. You do however lose control of it for certain.

[vale kettle]

Ah yes dm sit and wait till i finish rolling these 38 attacks

[restive blade]

I recently got an item that lets me go from medium to large, and if I move 15 feet before attacking I can make enemies do a dc 15 strength check or they’re toppled

And then its just unga bunga time

[vale kettle]

Ah yes dm btw i used circle magic to extend their duration to permanent btw

[primal wolf]

Circle magic is fun but i've yet to have a DM allow it

[vale kettle]

Cause its broken

[primal wolf]

true

[vale kettle]

And casters dont need more options

[undone rain]

Circle magic?

[feral fulcrum]

Behold my army of 10 hp things with no AC and crap dex, oh good lord look they're all dead to a single AOE spell. Ooops

[restive blade]

Let’s you have two+ people cast the same spell to amply its effects

Basically.

[rough basalt]

im surprised i havent had anyone use it yet

[vale kettle]

That why you keep em in a bag of holding and then unleash that army on your turn lol

[undone rain]

Ahh i see

[vale kettle]

Im just exaggerating this as a joke

[primal wolf]

yeah you gotta do some work to avoid AOE mass death; bag of holding is an option but so is keeping them in barrels or on horseback, ect

[feral fulcrum]

Then they're added to the iniative later, the enemy acts, then they all die still. :V

[rough basalt]

But my games lean towards martial heavy

[primal wolf]

I can unironically do this faster than most players do 2 attacks as long as i'm not having to contend with Avrea

[undone rain]

Btw which races have been in dnd the longest. Not lore wise, but like when the 1st version of dnd dropped

[rough basalt]

Human, Elf, Dwarf, Halfling

[vale kettle]

Ah yes dm lemme start rolling those 38 tiny servant initiative’s with different results

[primal wolf]

group init is a thing

[severe fox]

Xanathar

Got damned Xanathar

[undone rain]

Figures

[vale kettle]

Yeah some players are slow

[severe fox]

He killed everyone

[vale kettle]

I had to wait for someone for like 30 mins just to make a single attack and then use one spell

[woven flint]

Imagine dying to Xanathar

[feral fulcrum]

Group Iniative isn't for "Lump the players into the same iniative" It's for "For the love of god lets just have these twenty mooks that die in one hit go together to speed things up."

[rough basalt]

Ive been grouping a lot recently, its good

[primal wolf]

yeah so my PC's mooks can all go at once...

[feral fulcrum]

It definitely preserves the DM's sanity

[fickle ermine]

what yall talkin about

[vale kettle]

Thats a funny encounter with a high level wizard, the party just pisses them off and in return the wizard just summons like 40 tiny servants all spread out and then dips

[primal wolf]

tiny servant army shenanigans

[vale kettle]

Minions from despicable me frfr

[valid geyser]

i mean with the 40 tiny servants thing you can get the same results with animate dead, assuming proper corpses

at least those guys would have actual attacks

[primal wolf]

Tiny servant has an attack

[vale kettle]

Tiny servant army would do wonders against a poison dragon

[primal wolf]

mindflayers too!

[vale kettle]

Until it starts flying😢

[primal wolf]

this started because I wanted to give them guns

[valid geyser]

i guess for small damage 1d6+3 and 1d4+3 aren't that different

[knotty vine]

2

[primal wolf]

muskets get to be 1d12+3

[knotty vine]

+2

[valid geyser]

yeah i was saying for the "spend all your slots for a billion guys" thing, not the gun thing

[vale kettle]

Okey those pea brains cant use guns not with that int score

[knotty vine]

a creature with a 6 int and understand speach

[dry ledge]

Today is the best/worst day of my life I rolled a hundred only for it to deal 6 damage😭

[vale kettle]

Tiny servant has 2 int

[cobalt owl]

Womp

[fickle ermine]

ever had a party member that was a vampire?

[primal wolf]

Tiny servants are non-sentient thus the low int, still doesn't take a whole lot of int to aim and shoot a gun.

[knotty vine]

Yeah me

[undone rain]

That is legit the worst feeling ever

[crystal latch]

Int barely does anything in 5e anyway unless it's your casting stat

[knotty vine]

it does control if you can understand and speak but thats one notable example

[valid geyser]

we wont be able to prove that until a rat can properly aim, shoot, and load a gun

[crystal latch]

It is able to take the Attack action and have a gun as a wielded item

D&D rats are better than irl rats

[dry ledge]

Yeah cause I was jumping around since it's my first hundred since I started then my DM said it only had 6 damage

[knotty vine]

thats true

[woven flint]

We're still on this? 😭

[valid geyser]

but the int thing mostly matters from DM assumption of what counts as a simple general command for the tiny servant spell

i did originally preface that as a DM adjudication thing

Also I think if you don’t word that Tony servant loop right a particular GM could consider their job done after just shooting once

[primal wolf]

you can word it more effectively or use your BA every time

[vale kettle]

Could they reload the weapon tho?

[primal wolf]

Yeah there's no int requirement to reload and they're competent enough to do house chores which are more complex than reloading a 5e musket

[vale kettle]

Yeah? Give a rat a musket

[severe herald]

It is a shame that there are no ways to domesticate small gelatnous cubes.

[primal wolf]

5e rats can use guns and irl rats can't do my laundry

[severe herald]

I feel like they'd be wonderful pets.

[valid geyser]

I mean, the examples provided are grabbing a key (seems simple) standing watch (probably the most nebulous concept) and stacking books (also easy since it’s just moving stuff)

[vale kettle]

Bro that tiny servant ain’t reloading anything

[severe herald]

Moral support?

Give him a little drumset.

[vale kettle]

At best they can use the gun as a mace afterwards

[valid geyser]

The one time a ruling meant to make things realistic has limited a spellcaster instead of a martial

[primal wolf]

Stacking books is about as complicated as reloading

[severe herald]

A musket?

[vale kettle]

Bro 😭

[severe herald]

Ehhh...no.

Reloading a muzzleloading fiream is an event.

[cobalt escarp]

it takes like a whole minute

[valid geyser]

Yeah I doubt that. I haven’t reloaded a gun, especially not an old timey gun but I’ve stacked books before

[severe herald]

And it must be done, in order.

[umbral girder]

Got to have a long rest caster in my tuesday game, poor dude is already out of slots.

[primal wolf]

Yeah, they're not that complex, especially in 5e which presumably uses paper charges to keep the reload time to one turn and not 1 minute

[umbral girder]

(level 16 party)

[severe herald]

I have. It's not easy.

The firearms of the time, being a musketeer was a profession for a reason.

[primal wolf]

It's not easy but it's not complicated

[severe herald]

It's not that it's complicated, it's that it requires high dicipline

And high dexterity.

Especially under fire.

[vale kettle]

I mean they have 16

[urban mulch]

Late game wizard is scary when you're down to just cantrips

[umbral girder]

It's a Bard

[severe herald]

That's..actually probably enough if they have thumbs.

[valid geyser]

I mean also reloading is just one part of the ordeal, which is why I imagined a seperate tiny servant being on reloading duty and the other being on point and shoot duty

[primal wolf]

Tbh I think you're just overly fixated on the int score: 1int PCs can use guns under feeblemind

[severe herald]

This was common. Especially for these kinds of weapons.

The sharpshooter and the loader.

High volume of accurate fire from a 2-3 man crew.

[vale kettle]

Sure but rules don’t account for everything even the rules say that it aint a irl simulator

Its up to the dm

[severe herald]

Correct. But the rules are informed by reality, at points.

I'm just giving you the base information.

[primal wolf]

Everything is "up to the dm" 💀

[vale kettle]

But damn if i say it don’t make sense that with 2 int they can use a gun

[severe herald]

Becasue I have it. Becasue I've fired black powder.

[valid geyser]

Yes there are not rules that dictate what intelligence lets you do but I am trying to think from a dm standpoint why one might rationalize why a thing would not be considered a simple, general command

[severe herald]

Someone correct me, but I was pretty sure that you need Int 3+ to even be a chraracter.

Like 2 int is a dog.

[lyric viper]

What's the general goal of this convo or are we kicking a point back and forth for thought practice?

[severe herald]

Can rats be musketmen? 🤔

[valid geyser]

And I wanna restate I’m not trying to shut you down I’m just doing this because it’s fun to think about

[severe herald]

It is fun. My take is 2 int is..not sentient.

And giving a firearm, let alone any weaponry, to a non-sentient being is a bad idea.

[lyric viper]

From a RAW persepctive ( #dnd-rules ) or a game balance/preference perspective?

[valid geyser]

Oh new UA dropped I can talk about something of substance

[severe herald]

Both I think. I'm down to argue both.

[vale kettle]

My take they can atleast make one good shot and then use the musket as a club at best

[urban mulch]

This is a great idea if you're of chaotic alignment what do you mean 😂

[severe herald]

Well I sit Neutral good, so yeah, that tracks. 🍈

[valid geyser]

Kinda neither. Just a hypothetical. RAW here is vsgue and up to interpretation and I don’t even think the tiny servant gun thing is any OP at all i just found this fun to think about

[severe herald]

Chaos demons, I swear.

Handgung shotguns to goblins.

[urban mulch]

"Go my child, do a crime" energy

[indigo sleet]

Do we have a homebrewing channel?

[severe herald]

Personally I'm more curious to how the rats even got good with the musket in the first place.

[fair summit]

#homebrew

[severe herald]

You gotta practice soemthing like that.

[urban mulch]

I imagine it cost a lot of rats and fingers.

[vale kettle]

They were trained by wizards and did tasks that rewarded them sugar when they did good

[severe herald]

Wizard
100% Tracks.

This is 100% why my said character has a ongoing beef with basically all magic users.

"Doin stuff just cause."

[urban mulch]

Wizards are pretty much the poster child of "yeah but what if"

[severe herald]

A non magic using ranger is "Yeah but how about we don't."

[lyric viper]

I do enjoy that a few monsters in D&D lore just have their origins as 'Wizard did it'

[vale kettle]

Wizards are a poster child of “im literally better then you in every way”

[severe herald]

This one will start an edition war.

[urban mulch]

That is an owl bear, if I recall correctly?

[severe herald]

Becuse my only answer to that is "Material component rules."

[lyric viper]

And spiderhorse!

[severe herald]

Everywhere ain't faerun.

Cast your fancyness in dark sun. 🍈

[lyric viper]

And probably a few other creatures that sound like they're from AtLA

[umbral girder]

Out of the dozen of games I got that reached level 20, I’ve only had 1 wizard who felt like he was the “can solve anything” character

[vale kettle]

Ngl least of their issues is the components

[severe herald]

Physical incompetence is.

[urban mulch]

There is a feedback loop of wish -> suffer.

[severe herald]

The wizard class basically has no...backups without multiclass.

I hated that, personally.

[vale kettle]

Why cast wish if you can cast shape change and break the game

[severe herald]

And the large Crossbow they got (DO they still get that?) was a bonafied trap option.

I took that. Long ago. I'm still mad.

[vale kettle]

Wdym

[urban mulch]

Shapechange into things like behir and watch your party scream when you eat bad guys.

[severe herald]

All of the class skills(That I'm familiar with, old editon, could be wrong) basically 100% leaned on magic as their damage output. They have zero martial backup.

[primal wolf]

Generally if they weren't magically created to obey my commands I'd agree but since they are

[vale kettle]

Shapechange into a genie grant your party 3 wishes and repeat

[urban mulch]

Cantrips scaling helps a lot with this (sorta)

[severe herald]

Absoloutely.

Now a wizard can be a mage hand genius.

The biggest issue in 3.5 is the fact that the backup..fell off. You could run out of all spells.

And at a low level, your job was "Cannon"

[vale kettle]

Turn into Traxigor and go crazy

[severe herald]

At will cantrips are a very nice fix to that.

[urban mulch]

I only played 3.5e when I was in high school and that was a good long time ago now so my experience with 3.5 has been in Pathfinder settings

[umbral girder]

The simple dispel Magic on Shapechange

Casual moonbeam

Dude with silvered knife

[vale kettle]

That why you cast wish beforehand to make uraelf immune to that spell

[severe herald]

I've written a multi thousand page, multi setting RPG over the course of a decade.

[prime pewter]

I wish I could play a minotaur but their abilities are NOT good... reflavored firbolg it is...

[umbral girder]

The local dead Magic zone

[vale kettle]

You can wish to be immune to that as well

[severe herald]

i've run..a lot..of games.

[vale kettle]

With shapechange anything is possible

[umbral girder]

With Wish sickness notably

[urban mulch]

Honestly counterspell is also wildly powered requiring only an arcana check for a 3rd level spell to swat down a 9th. 'no u' on the lich power word kill has to be somewhat humiliating to have happen by a 5th level nerd

[torpid mesa]

How do you deal with disproportionate game interest across the table? Two out of my 5 players are significantly more interested in d&d than the others, and they end up creating tons of cool stuff and lore for their characters. But I fear the other ones may feel a bit diminished, what do I do?

[vale kettle]

Nope

[severe herald]

Doesn't stop being stabbed!

[vale kettle]

Monsters dont suffer the effects of wish spell

[prime pewter]

He (the firbolg) us blue baba di baba di (with star freckles)

[vale kettle]

Depends how the dm rules it

[severe herald]

Hmn. What can you do?

[vale kettle]

But any sane dm would ban shape change outright

[severe herald]

I mean this literally. Think about what you actually can do.

[umbral girder]

The easy max hp removal to bypass the temp hp

[severe herald]

The way I see it, this is a horse..water..drinking..situation.

[umbral girder]

The local Mythals

[urban mulch]

My DM banned animate objects the first time I casted that too.

[tepid cedar]

Hello. I have a question. This is a bit hard to say, Im looking to find a new community that might be interested in DND. Ive had poor runs inthe past. A campaign was fun, the people made it abysmal. They were causing problems and cutting people off. So, Im coming out of my shell a bit, and wanted to ask here. I understand there is a tab that is dedicated to finding communities, I wanted to ask here and hope for the best. Am I allowed to put preferences here, or do I need to take this sort of query elsewhere?

[severe herald]

I am no longer allowed to use any books containing "Smokepowder."

Just..outright. No more.

Why: I blew up a town by accident.

[primal wolf]

Rip

[lavish flame]

New UA! Villanous options!

[lyric viper]

#find-a-game has information on getting into a gme here!

[short night]

I really hope that Druid in the new UA is an indication we could get a published optional rule that allows Druids to use their spell attack modifier in Wild Shape instead of a beasts

[urban mulch]

A few low rolls were involved too, yeah? Hahaha.

[lyric viper]

You can put preferences in the post you make there. LFG chatter can't occur elsewhere on the server

[severe herald]

When the dwarf puts a "Killswitch spell" on himself, and wires it up to everye xplosive he has ever made, and Dies mid dungeon.

First off, that dungeon room was Clean.

No skeletons. No furniture. No loot. No dwarf.

[urban mulch]

As a Wizard that's practically a housekeeping miracle!

[severe herald]

I forget what build it was, but he, being the dwarf, didn't cast it

[urban mulch]

I'm assuming something like contingency?

[severe herald]

He had it made, by a wizard in town, basically to "Spark" the normal striker, if he dies.

Welp. he died. His warehouse, contaned about 10 barrels, of smokepowder.

[urban mulch]

You guys just ran around with an armed nuke haha

[severe herald]

Those all went up immediately.

Becasue we're nerds, we did the math on the yield of 10 full barrels of gunpowder.

Yeah, that town was Gone

[urban mulch]

Oh that's practically required

[vale kettle]

Also you dont get wish sickness for making urself immune to a spell or a magical effect cause its listed as a option that wont strain you

[severe herald]

Clever lad, Greg was. Lotta homebrew nonsense. Like crossbow that fired glass globes.

[urban mulch]

Is that immunity permanent?

[severe herald]

Filled with things. Sap. Oil. Gunpowder lit. Whatever fits.

[vale kettle]

8 hours

[urban mulch]

I like that. Alchemist Fire but now at range

[severe herald]

The downsides were it was basically a light crossbow in range but requried a full action to reload.

[urban mulch]

Ah okay, but you wouldn't be able to wish AND shape change unless you could trance.

[empty thicket]

okey dont seems bad

good for martials that cant access magic at all or some rogue

[vale kettle]

Yeah you can, shape change into a creature that can cast wish

[severe herald]

Well his thing was his ammo.

[urban mulch]

We have an war forged artificer that built himself a Gatling gun. He rolls a lot of D4s it's very funny.

[severe herald]

He had paint rounds.

[empty thicket]

for?

[severe herald]

Slimes.

[urban mulch]

Oh, that makes sense actually

[severe herald]

"oh it's see through"THUD "Not anymore!"

[vale kettle]

Dispell magic what? 💀

[severe herald]

Also marking things. Or people.

Just a high velocity glass globe filled with paint.

corked with a cork.

[urban mulch]

I really liked back in 3.5e being able to play a dragon PC. Sadly up at 5e we homebrewed the whole thing but it worked out well.

[vale kettle]

Unironically best spell in the game hands down as it literally gets stronger the more creatures are released by wotc

[urban mulch]

Shape change is amazing, I agree. It also really just solves every problem the regular wizard can't.

[severe herald]

lets see..paint..glue..gunpowder bombs..sting bombs(That's water with ground peppercorns), and one where he just shoved a bunch of broken sunrod pieces into a globe, with gunpowder, and fired it.

[urban mulch]

Grease!

[severe herald]

Oh yeah grease and oil and all that.

ANything that fit into a bottle, got fired.

[urban mulch]

Weaponized bees?

[severe herald]

My favorite one was oil.

[vale kettle]

Funny thing that only druids and wizards have that spell

[severe herald]

We got into a fight, I hit the dude with oil, he was like "Tf"?

Then he picked up a torch.

Guy was like "Oh. Okay. we give"

[urban mulch]

Being soaked in accelerant and staring at the guy twirling a torch is a usual good oh shit surrender option 😂

[vale kettle]

What problem do wizards cant solve?

[severe herald]

Not just guy, Angry looking dwarf

He will set you on fire. That's not the question.

The question is "What do i say to this man to make him decide not to set me on fire?"

[rugged hawk]

That's the neat part, you don't.

[fathom gate]

Does anyone want some short and stupid juice? I have some extra

[severe herald]

Nah it didn't warrant all that. he gave up. I think Greg made him pay for the glass and oil.

That was a fun campaign. 🍈

[urban mulch]

"You're wearin' it you bought it"

[severe herald]

"Naw man this cost me Five copper. I Want my coppers."

It cost 2 gold to fire this weapon for 6 seconds.

[urban mulch]

"but that thing...it scares me" points at kobold picture

[rugged hawk]

I don't speak GOBLIN neither. I'm here for money. MONEY! 💸

[severe herald]

And it's just a Cutebold shadow.

[timber turtle]

Is bardbarian the most blessed combination?

[severe herald]

WizBarian.

[fathom gate]

”boblin the goblin holds out 15 silver coins and begins breakdancing”

[severe herald]

Zero holes.

Maximum offence. maximum defense.

[timber turtle]

The name isn't as marketable

[urban mulch]

Our party had a kobold that ambushed us and rolled so badly we gaslit ourselves into dragging him along. He became a beloved party pet and I was the fighter that towed him along in my backpack.

[severe herald]

I have created an entire species in my own Tabletop RPG, with my co author. Called Pet Jellies.

They are exactly what you think they are.

They eat beans.

[timber turtle]

You should homebrew a class around cutting beards so you could be a barberian

[severe herald]

This place is odd. Can someone summon the Homebrew section?

[fathom gate]

Your raging is just shaving your beard

[severe herald]

I don't see it.

[timber turtle]

Would work great if you were a dwarf

[vale kettle]

#homebrew

[fathom gate]

What if there was a librarian where they just rage really quietly

[timber turtle]

They do that bone chilling sush instead of screaming

[fathom gate]

“Get out of my librarby!”

[rugged hawk]

Librarian rages by ripping out voiceboxes. "SILENCE!"

[undone rain]

Now thats dark

[fathom gate]

Whats really dark is when someone casts darkness on me

[undone rain]

You dont say

[rugged hawk]

You know what's really dark? Ibrandul, god of darkness and caverns

[undone rain]

Know what isnt dark? FIREBALL

[rugged hawk]

Counterpoint, Shadow Fireball

[flint ledge]

What's a shadow fireball

[vale kettle]

Scribe wizard can do that or a sorcerer with transmute

[fair summit]

Which is always funny, as even if you change the damage type of fireball to anything, like even Cold, it still burns things within its radius due to being a separate thing from the damage type (:

[severe herald]

Thank you!

Dropped my thing in there.

[dull valve]

who is griffon?

[vale kettle]

Like the creature?

[dull valve]

as in the person who is being hyped rn
#server-announcements

[fathom gate]

I do say

[past iron]

I just saw a video saying that apparently 6th edition has been announced. Bait used to be more believable.

[vale kettle]

Its a creator I believe

And the announcement is for the release of his book that has a ton of magic items

[past iron]

And the video was made on April 1st. Lol I knew it wasn't true

[vale kettle]

Well its been out for a while

[rugged hawk]

Bait used to be 'You won the lottery!', now it's 'Here's a job offer!' They literally JUST announced 5.5e, I really doubt 6e is being announced already.

[vale kettle]

But part 1 of his book is in dnd beyond

[dull valve]

how dreadfully boring...
and i thought with all his endorsement he would be a celebrity or something.
then again what celebrity has a discord account.

[vale kettle]

Which already had part 2 ….. idk why they had to release it in that order

[vale kettle]

I mean its a good supplement for dma that want more unique magic items for their games

Idk why you expected a celebrity in a dnd server

[vale kettle]

New edition will reintroduce Thac0 and give Vecna an actual statblock trust

Wizards will have a d2 hit die

[rugged hawk]

New edition restores maximum AC of -20, THAC0, and Shield duration of 1 minute per round, none of this 'One round' nonsense.

[reef tundra]

Watch as people say it still won’t make a difference for wizard’s viability /hj

[vale kettle]

Peak

Wizard maximum con will be 8

Real leaks

[primal wolf]

tfw abjuration wizard exists

[vale kettle]

Paladins will get a warhorse feature back trust

The setting will be the remembered realms

[rugged hawk]

New edition retcons 4e lore ever happened

[vale kettle]

Warlocks will be able to summon their patron once per month as a boss monster that stays an amount of rounds equal to DMP which will replace proficiency bonus

[remote wadi]

Will we get 100 outcomes on Wild Magic instead of 50?

[glacial idol]

Hello everyone im Danishman. I joined this server to see how much would be reasonable for alot of my dnd stuff. Its just been kinda sitting around for a year or more. How can i add images?

[vale kettle]

No they fired the guy who was gonna write up sorcerer

[proven mountain]

You can link to images with an explanation to what it is but not post them

[remote wadi]

Will Barbarians get a better functioning kit?

[vale kettle]

Never

[glacial idol]

Well its alot of eh painted miniatures some not painted some pre painted, two dungeon master books, a player handbook, a monster manual, starter set missing a single die, bedlam in neverwinter, and an “immersive battle atlas dungeons” boards like those foldable ones. Everything is in pretty good shape

[lyric viper]

We have our college of creation channels, if made by yourself. And #merch-and-dice to show off owned product. If ever in doubt or not sure what the best channel is, #channel-guide can really help.

[glacial idol]

Thank you so much

[prime phoenix]

hi guyss i have a question can i ask here ??

[rugged hawk]

You already did

[craggy summit]

You don't need to ask to ask questions but go ahead 🤙

[prime phoenix]

my game wont open what can i do

[rough basalt]

Don't know what game you're trying to open

[craggy summit]

Game won't open? You're gonna need to give a bit more context

[reef tundra]

What game is this?

[prime phoenix]

dnd??

[rough basalt]

That's not enough

[reef tundra]

… dnd is a tabletop roleplaying game

[craggy summit]

DnD is a tabletop roleplaying game, it's not really something you open

[prime phoenix]

dnd online from steam

[lyric viper]

D&D is a Table Top roleplaying game. Is this a VTT or are you talking about the online MMO?

[rough basalt]

Oh you're talking the old mmo

[lyric viper]

That's not us I'm afraid

[reef tundra]

I was so confused for a moment

[rough basalt]

Pretty sure it's community ran isn't it?

[reef tundra]

And I still am bc I don’t know that game 😭

[austere root]

It's still official i'm pretty sure
even neverwinter nights servers still run

[undone rain]

I thought they meant dndbeyond or smth

[rough basalt]

I think it's cause they allowed the games servers to be hosted by players

[lyric viper]

Try this discord: https://discord.gg/yVmtjcnaeT

[reef tundra]

I was half expecting them to be talking about the starter set and the box was stuck or smth 😭

[prime phoenix]

oohh tysmmm

[rough basalt]

Used to be a common practice in older online games when they got abandoned to let the community keep them running

Rather than just shut them down entirely

[lyric viper]

There is one that also claims to be official, but I don't actually know if it is.

[rugged hawk]

It's headed by SSG staff, sooo -

[rough basalt]

Ah neverwinter nights is the community ran one of old online dnd games

[lyric viper]

Neverwinter Nights is pretty much owned by it's own community, yep.

Like Bioware and now Beamdog might be the publishers, but the community has a very strong grip on it with the CEP and the big servers like Amia, Arelith and Ravenloft essentially controlling the 'official' online spaces.

[rough basalt]

Ye there's some other old mmos that were shut down or abandoned by ran by the community

I was mixing them up with DDO I think as well.

[rugged hawk]

The DDO Discord is technically community, but SSG has its own employees there as well

Not built by SSG, but overseen by them

It's how they connect with their community

[rough basalt]

It's a fun game imo

Aged but fun.

[rugged hawk]

Like D&D

[rough basalt]

Ye DnD. What an old game.

Try playing something newer like DnD 1e but it has a different name. /j

[rugged hawk]

Oh, crapbaskets. Speaking of OLD GAMES, frickin Meridia's Beacon just spawned in a random treasure chest.

[rough basalt]

old I can feel my grey hairs.

[rugged hawk]

Maybe I'll just let it rot in here for now

[rough basalt]

On a serious note I like the whole "OSR" type systems that are based off of old dnds style of play.

But back to dnd.
I need to finish my setting guide so my mind can focus on something else.

[jolly canyon]

I'm not gonna be at your table obviously but lmk when you're setting guide is done. I'd love to read it

[rough basalt]

I could send you the WIP link if you want. It's gonna be a long time lol.

[jolly canyon]

I'm down. I read a friend's setting guide recently and it was cool(extremely inspired by age of umbra)

[lean wigeon]

i like the idea of old school roleplaying, mainly the whole fiction-first stuff with more emphasis on procedure and less on the minutiae of game mechanics

i don't really like how most OSRs always gotta have a mudcore dark low power wading-through-shit tone though

[rough basalt]

I say I need to finish it but I've only got like 34 pages.

[static anvil]

man i think i just got kicked from a campaign bc i told the DM he shouldnt use AI art LMAOOO

[jolly canyon]

Ouch.

[undone rain]

A worthy sacrifice. We dont like ai art here

[jolly canyon]

My biggest fear above ai art would be the adventure were running being ai written.

[static anvil]

AGREED. like, just learn to draw a pay a mf.

[undone rain]

Even a stick figure drawing has more soul

[static anvil]

sad tho, i really wanted to play my new character, its a fighter based off of lawbringer in for honor. he has a curse to where he cant remove his armour. its quite cool imo

[rough basalt]

I wanna learn to draw but I'm too focused on writing the guide. Once I'm done I'll be able to focus on learning to draw so I can draw the art for my guide.

[undone rain]

Holy shit for honor player no way

[static anvil]

dont get too excited i main highlander, lawbringer and juren....

[undone rain]

Ahhh i play shugo its fine

[static anvil]

MY MAN

i love shugoki. so so much. hes so fun to fight, and being headbutted is so funny.

[undone rain]

Real af

[static anvil]

but yeah now i gotta go redo the looking-for-dm thing. ugh

[undone rain]

Well as they say, no dnd is better then bad dnd

[static anvil]

that is very true

[undone rain]

Heyyy wait i might have smth for you actually

[static anvil]

dude also said apparently my lawful good lawbringer would be hard to fit into a campaign... my entire thing is if i see crime i punish crime

[undone rain]

Or wait no we are full nevermind

[static anvil]

thats foul. you got my hopes up bro.

[rough basalt]

I had plans on running a 3rd game but mind's too preoccupied.

[undone rain]

Sorry mate sorry but i wish you luck on finding

[static anvil]

its all good<3. could never be mad at a shugoki player

[reef tundra]

DMs often prefer players making new characters for their campaigns

I'm not saying it's all the time but from what I've seen with other DMs it is often

[undone rain]

Might give me an idea to make shugo in dnd. Yeahhh

[static anvil]

it was in my lookinf for dm post that i had a character set already and that his entire thing was justice and law following

[static anvil]

i homebrewed an entire for honor style campaign, follows the campaign of for honor. had monster sheets for all the knights, vikings and samurias. was cool asf

[undone rain]

Thats awesome

[static anvil]

it was fun, very difficult tho but was fun nonetheless

shugo in dnd is fun asf. i made it so he can charge his heavy (takes a full turn to charge it so he cant attack while charging) and then it will skip AC and you have to do a con save to tank it or a dec save to parry it.

[undone rain]

That is so peak

[static anvil]

ty:)

right anyways, time to make a post.

[undone rain]

Right, good luck

[static anvil]

ty buddy

[solar crow]

We have finally met our final boss- our main fight is starting next week and we're already fighting it rn

[river vector]

I love alter self. So good for BBEG disguises.

[wintry spindle]

bbeg takes of disguise "suprise it was me this whole time" PC's who have never met the bbeg "Who are you?"

[river vector]

they met him once at the start of the campaign, they eventually realized the travelling cleric they were with was acting sus

So thankfully I managed to avoid this lol

[wintry spindle]

i have 8 bbeg

but I guess its 7 beg and 8 bbeg

[river vector]

so many...

[wintry spindle]

the explination is they are the leaders of certain areas

7 areas so one leader for each area

[river vector]

have the characters encountered them all yet?

[wintry spindle]

They have met 1, and currently in the area of another and has to jailbreak the aprentice of a third

They each affect the worlds in different ways and lore

[river vector]

interesting. Sounds like a bunch of fun.

[wintry spindle]

It is. But the gimmic is also its like a shatterd plane with 7 areas floating close to each other each representing different faerun settings

currently they are in the desert darksun area

and when they are done here they can pick another of of their interest. There is ravenloft esque area, feywild area, ice wind dale area, salt marsh area, magic steam punk area, and just nine hells area.

They met the bbeg if the ice wind dale area

[river vector]

seems like a good concept, at least to me.

[wintry spindle]

It allows for both a sandbox and also railroad experience

and vareity in gameplay

[solar crow]

Teehee I just pulled strings to do i think like 16d10+7d8+21 I think it was total?

We just kept finding and thinking of more things to add

[river vector]

meanwhile I have players that are ignoring the BBEGs request to meet in order to kill some goblins (that are working for the BBEG)

I mean sure you can ignore the BBEG when he's being polite, but being rude might make him not so polite...

[solar crow]

127 damage

[undone rain]

So when did paladins get smites

[solar crow]

It's not just my base smite I'm using a versatile sword, Holy weapon (campaign special things), radiant strikes, its a fiend/undead, so extra, plus then since I have a special item that time compresses my smite and other things, I then did true strike

Oh and extra 2d8 cause of the special item

[undone rain]

Absoloute cinema my oath sister

[solar crow]

Teehee

I used all physical dice to roll instead of D&D beyond too

[undone rain]

Thats so peak

We love paladins here

[solar crow]

I sent a picture to you of the first part of the roll for my turn

[empty thicket]

There can be Javelin +1?

and at which point upgrading one with returning weapon is even worth?

[reef tundra]

Ofc

[empty thicket]

MMm......good, because im seeing the weapon option for "throw weapons" and there is...
Daggers, lighthammer, spear, javelin... not so... "much" stuff
More if i deep in martial

A trident being a martial weapon do the same damage throwing than a javelin

[reef tundra]

Trident does 1d8 when thrown, javelin does 1d6

Unless you're talking about 2014 5e

[empty thicket]

oh, trident was upgraded in 24, nice

[reef tundra]

Trident is pretty sweet in 5.5e

I love throwing it to topple flying enemies

[empty thicket]

that 1d10 seems good, but two hands

[empty thicket]

okey that sound epic
Welp, time to go for the Steve build

[reef tundra]

Highest damage dice you'll get with one hand is 1d8

That's the drawback of 1 handed

[empty thicket]

the other two hands weapons have reach and that is pretty neat most of the time

others just "Almost" have a higher dice

[reef tundra]

True

[empty thicket]

being maul and greatsword some examples

And then there is the morningstar....why it dont have any "property"?

[reef tundra]

Idk, it's strange

[empty thicket]

Flail and mace almost the same, weird stuff

[reef tundra]

I would say it's so they have a 1d8 piercing damage weapon but warpick exists

[river vector]

I'm just gonna have the BBEG show up, give the players a bit of a jump. Since they're ignoring his request for a meeting to go kill goblins, he will come to them.

[solar crow]

I JUST DID ANOTHER 221 DAMAGE IN ONE TURN TEEHEE

[steep creek]

where are these goblins from?

[lyric viper]

From their first debut! 5e Paladins are actually pretty similar in mechanical concept to 1e AD&D paladins, aside from the more 1e based rules (Stat and species restrictions) and being capital Lawful Good or else
Edit: Fun fact, I was wrong!

Actually, hang on.. hmm, I might be misrembering their mechanics. I swore they got a little extra damage to baddies

[river vector]

These goblins explicitly serve the BBEG lmao

[solar crow]

Paladin is fun lol

[river vector]

he's recruited them for his terrorist rebellion

[steep creek]

Will they hold up against my kobolds?

[river vector]

the goblins will sneak and slip

[buoyant oar]

You know I never really connected the dots. The blatant East Asia rip off of the Forgotten Realms. That was first introduced in first editions Oriental Adventures and then later expanded upon in the Kara-Tur boxed set. Evokes a lot of American views on East Asia.

The only other game system that did and still does that is cyberpunk.

And that's when I realized Mike Pondsmith is heavily responsible for both.

[lyric viper]

1e got Detect Evil, Lay on Hands, Cure Disease, Aura of Protection, Turn Undead, Warhorse, Extra Attack, Spellcasting.. Huh.

Guess Smite was a 3e thing

[steep creek]

Sounds like mein can hide

[burnt grove]

So I decided to go Ranger 5, Trickery Cleric X what subclass of Ranger is best here?

[lyric viper]

If wanting optimization tips #optimization can help greatly. If not wanting to go too into the numbers, #character-discussion can also help pick complimentary classes for your concept.

[burnt grove]

Fair nuff

[steep creek]

Might want to think about replacing Ranger because of its range implications and go for something like druid or wizard for the spell casting

[solar crow]

I just did 484 total damage one turn

[lyric viper]

This sounds like a great suggestion in #optimization

[glossy otter]

Wait, does this UA mean what I think it means?!?!

[burnt grove]

Yea I’ll think about that in optimization

[glossy otter]

Is the book of vile darkness finally being printed in 5e

[lavish flame]

Thats kinda what I think tbh

[steep creek]

there are rules that are ment for reading with new editions

[glossy otter]

Finally, after 7 years of asking lol

[steep creek]

there are also rules in the original vile darkness 3.5e that are useable by variance

says 4th and 5th edition

[glossy otter]

I wonder if we'll see a particular set of chains come back

Though if this is the case with BoVD I'm genuinely happy

[steep creek]

what did you find?

[glossy otter]

Nothing, but the villainous subclasses are a good tip off

[steep creek]

aye. and in the new homebrew

[worn crow]

Time to start back up work on a character piece. ..I still really should be working on a token for Sunday but, my brain does not want to focus on that right now

[glossy otter]

First Dark Sun, now this

[steep creek]

chill Mr Alaster.. there is always time.

[rugged hawk]

Until there's not.

[steep creek]

yeah?

[glossy otter]

Oh I just mean what else are they planning on unvaulting

[rugged hawk]

Yeah. That's how time works. It runs out. For everyone.

[steep creek]

campaigns and expansions

[glossy otter]

Yeah but anything else that Wotc said they wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole

[inner silo]

If the session is literally the next day but two people aren't able to join, is it still worth running if 4 people are left?

Maybe doing like a mini side quest?

[solar crow]

That is by FAR the most damage I've ever done in one turn and I'm proud of it

[ripe pilot]

Monks r cool.

Bards too

[steep creek]

i'm a monk

[errant crag]

I always try to run if I have at least 3 of my players.

Cancelling the game over 1 or 2 people being absent creates a feedback loop where people are more fine with cancelling because they know they won't be missing any of the story.

[ripe nimbus]

yeah

[errant crag]

It's easy to call off when you know you're not gonna miss anything of note.

[fervent current]

Thats big damage, How did you do It?

[solar crow]

A lot of strings pulled

A LOT of strings pulled

[fervent current]

Wdym

[solar crow]

I mean idek how exactly I did it all, but I do know it was all legit valid moves LOL

A large part of it is it was vulnerable to radiant damage because divine arrow