dnd-discussion

[errant crag]

Yes but I could feasibly counterspell it a couple times at least.

[remote wadi]

Perhaps

[errant crag]

The point was not for greasy to be unkillable

The point was for his concentration to be really hard to break

[mighty wharf]

Can he cast grease

[errant crag]

He can cast Grease 10 times per day for free

[remote wadi]

Not sure how likely this is also, but I could also mention Cloud of Daggers, spells to immobilize someone, and Subtle Metamagic

[errant crag]

If my DM is explicitly going this far out of his way to counter my character specifically then I'm not playing in his games anymore

[mighty wharf]

Can Minor Illusion make an opaque, one way window?

[errant crag]

Greasy was not OP and nearly died plenty of times

[remote wadi]

Don't take it too heavily. Sometimes I just see a character like that and I already try and poke at it a few times

[remote wadi]

Now THIS, I'm curious how

[errant crag]

It was a high level high difficulty adventure

[jolly agate]

What's the difference Between a Genie and a Djinn?

[errant crag]

A Djinn is a specific type of genie I think

Yeah a Djinn is just an Air Genie

[remote wadi]

Okay, I could imagine that if that was the outcome you mentioned. But that tells me very little about what specifically could even smack around Greasy

[errant crag]

We were on a giant hell cube that had numerous sources of enfeeblement and was full of high CR fiends

At levels 10+ it's not uncommon for enemies to have +8 or so to hit

So an enemy rolling something like a 28 to hit is not uncommon

[remote wadi]

Hmmm... fair enough

I suppose I should ask, then: what spells could be so important that you are this intent on preserving Concentration for?

[mighty wharf]

I fully accept my DM finding silver bullets or weaknesses for my character, even targeting them.

If a young dragon has legendary resistance I take it as a challenge.

[errant crag]

We got the bad ending of that adventure where Greasy (who was already Neutral Evil) was corrupted and compelled to take the throne of the Bone Lord who was the former ruler of the hell cube once we killed him, as Greasy had fallen into a hundred foot deep pit and the party couldn't get him out so they left him there. So after the party left Greasy had found his way out of his pit, took the throne of seven faces, and became the new hellish evil ruler of the inter dimensional hell cube (bad ending)

[remote wadi]

To an extent, I agree. This feeling goes for both sides when DM or party adapts to problems and uses a specific spell or tactic in response to it

[errant crag]

There's a difference between the DM poking at your weaknesses and explicitly going out of their way to hard shut down your character

[empty thicket]

Lvl 1 fog cloud

its too good

[errant crag]

Haste was a pretty big one

I cast Enlarge on the Barbarian

[mighty wharf]

If my DM wants to shut down my character for an encounter I'm totally ok with that my character is freaking broken lol

[errant crag]

Okay well I'm not because that's not fun

[mighty wharf]

Phantasmal Force.

[errant crag]

The DM can poke at my characters weaknesses to ensure the game is balanced but hard countering my PC and shutting him down entirely in such a targeted way when he's not even that OP is just not fun

Having a high AC isn't OP, being good at concentrating isn't OP

[mighty wharf]

Suggestion

[empty thicket]

nope, it can be worked around with other things.
either status effects, elemental damages or other stuff

[remote wadi]

All of that... for Fog Cloud 1...?

[empty thicket]

AC dont make you impossible to kill, just a bit more hard

[solar crow]

Tomorrow is my last session before the boss fight starts which is going to take 3 sessions, each of which are 2 and a half hours long

[empty thicket]

a big fog cloud and if one of your allies have some capacity to find the enemies, its literally a carnage playground

[remote wadi]

glhf

[errant crag]

I didn't use fog cloud

[mighty wharf]

Hold on now, Fog Cloud is a good spell. Giving your entire party the ability to disengage, or blocking LoS while you cast spells is kinda crazy.

[solar crow]

Thx we'll need it we're fighting an alien God

[remote wadi]

I don't know exactly how they could find it. Care to enlighten?

[solar crow]

Party of 5 at level 20 we'll be fighting an alien God

[remote wadi]

Wouldn't you need LoS for most spells too?

[mighty wharf]

Bat with blind sight:

[solar crow]

I'm sad that my campaign is coming to an end this was my first ever campaign

[errant crag]

A dwarf with Tremorsense in a fog cloud can go hard

[empty thicket]

Hunter mark, true sight, mark the enemy with some spell, put a flare on him and the whole party will look at him through the fog

[steep creek]

poke; my last name is mewes

[mighty wharf]

Well, that's when you'd use a familiar or something to be your eyes.

[empty thicket]

arrows with bells to heard him

[solar crow]

Ok?

[steep creek]

do you know anything about pokemon?

[solar crow]

Yeah

I love pokemon

[steep creek]

do you play them first gen yet

[viral kraken]

they have a second generation of pokemon now!? what are they up to like 200 species now?

[empty thicket]

there is... a ton of generations...

[errant crag]

I believe that was the joke

[empty thicket]

Oh...

[remote wadi]

I'm somewhat familiar with the mechanics if you need help with that

[viral kraken]

i am joking, tho only mostly, i played mostly blue and a little soulsilver

[mighty wharf]

Are Dhampirs classified as humanoids?

[errant crag]

I play Dungeons and Dragons

[errant crag]

Yes

[mighty wharf]

That Magic Jar scroll I have at level 8 is looking mighty tasty

[viral kraken]

an excellent choice

[mighty wharf]

"Pathfinder is better 🤓 "

[remote wadi]

Out of curiosity

What are my odds of finding PbP games? Especially one on one settings

[still plover]

Impossible to say. Plenty of places to look, though. Advertising yourself as someone's solo player might be a tricky one to word right.

[remote wadi]

Well, one can only hope I did good enough

[errant crag]

I've never had luck finding PbP games

[mighty wharf]

Wait I thought wizards could take sanctuary

[errant crag]

Nah

[mighty wharf]

This guide I'm following for my character build is so buttcheeks...

Like yeah let me prepare WAY more spells than I'm allowed to AND from other class' lists

[paper portal]

what's the guide lol

[errant crag]

Why follow a guide and not just make your character how you want to

Are you getting this build from a YouTube video perchance

[mighty wharf]

Those things are not mutually exclusive.

No... more like a reddit post...

[paper portal]

that explains it

[jolly canyon]

Some people get crazy choice paralysis. I would never follow a build guide but I get why others would

[errant crag]

D&D Reddit

[mighty wharf]

Who takes a level 1 spell at level 8 Wizard genuinely 😭

[rugged hawk]

Someone whose DM doesn't supply enough scrolls to learn from

[errant crag]

There's a lot of great level 1 spells that scale well into higher levels

[errant crag]

For real DMs, give your wizards scrolls and spell books

[mighty wharf]

All of the scrolls my DM has given us have coincidentally been spells I already know 😭

Like I took Hypnotic Pattern and Counterspell RIGHT before recieivimg them as scrolls.

[errant crag]

If nothing else those can be used as free casts

[mighty wharf]

Basically all of our loot is random

[halcyon forum]

"Oops we start to fight dragons and I forgot to take absorb elements"

[empty thicket]

Remember, you can caste haste in a creature and break conc in the same turn for a free non Save Stun

[paper portal]

strong wizards keep shield, absorb elements and silvery barbs all the way until level 20

[halcyon forum]

has to be willing

[mighty wharf]

You pick those up at level 5 and below

[errant crag]

The target has to be willing

[glass granite]

Feather fall and detect magic are also extremely good utility

[paper portal]

oh you mean they picked up a new 1st level spell at level 8? lmao

[empty thicket]

they wont know and you can act it up like you are betraying your party

[errant crag]

Taking all three of these at once as funny as heck tbh

[mighty wharf]

And it wasn't even on the wizards spell list

[glass granite]

Your reaction is loaded lol

[errant crag]

I feel like most enemies won't be that dumb

[paper portal]

lets you cover all your bases

[halcyon forum]

yeah no dog, people arent dumb and just let someone cast spells on them

[glass granite]

Well ok if they were given the option to learn a spell not on their spell list and took it then it’s fair imo

[empty thicket]

you would be surprised and animals wont understand it

[glass granite]

I doubt animals would be willing

[errant crag]

Animals won't be willing targets

[mighty wharf]

Nope. It's just a mistake. It says in the guide to just add it to your spell list when you level up. Not a ruby weave gem situation or anything.

[errant crag]

Animals will see magic and probably react similarly to how they would fire

[glass granite]

Fight or flight immediately

[mighty wharf]

If I am going to make an enemy willing with Suggestion, I am casting Feign Death or Nystuls Magic Aura

[empty thicket]

okey, if it isnt the haste its going to be the meteorite meat swarm.

20 cows from the sky.

[paper portal]

nystul's 😭

[halcyon forum]

animals would treat any spell from you the same

[errant crag]

Also why cast Haste and then drop concentration when you can just cast something like Hold Person or Tashas Hideous Laughter

[glass granite]

Or fireball

[errant crag]

And get the same effect with less steps

[mighty wharf]

I have a ring of spell storing, which I'm going to steal my paladins spells with. She has command prepared.

She's a new, not very technical player, that hardly uses her spells.

Like I'm a new player too, I just break games.

[loud tendon]

Please note we have #character-discussion to go over build ideas or #optimization for working out builds with high capicity to do all the things, tests maths and try to "break games"

[errant crag]

Golly I missed this server

[sly crest]

has anyone actually tried out the nerds adventures?

[rough basalt]

What adventures?

[solar marten]

Can amyone help me make a circle of the moon plasmoid for my next campaign

[rough basalt]

#character-discussion

I'd make sure with the dm that spelljammer species are allowed tho

A lot of dms don't allow them ime

[scenic zinc]

All dnd adventures are nerd adventures

[jolly canyon]

I see no lie

[torpid mesa]

What level y'all think is the best to start on a campaign?

[severe rampart]

3,5,and 7 are the best imo

[rough basalt]

I'm a level 1 purist unless its a shorter game

[harsh hinge]

As a DM, I prefer running from level 1. As a player, I like starting at level 3.

[reef tundra]

1 for new players, 3 and above for anyone remotely experienced

Although it also depends on the campaign

[lyric viper]

ooh depends.
1-3 is basically the tutorial levels, to gently ease in brand new players. 3 makes the best 'starting low level'.

I agree with echo that 5 and 7 are good jumps from there.

Maybe 17 for the highest starting level.

[reef tundra]

I started my avengers campaign at level 10 and my Necroheim campaign at level 13

[rough basalt]

I believe for my games if PCs want their subclass they gotta earn it

[errant crag]

1 is fun for setting a dangerous tone to the game

[rough basalt]

Unless its a short game, then itd be 3,5,11,17 or something maybe

[empty thicket]

most of time i would say 3
Access to subclass, give them some fredom with some lil equipment and that it is
I would put a first mission that if they do really well they get access to a common magic item, something giga basic

a cloak of billowing or smt like that

[reef tundra]

I kinda miss my Avengers campaign :(

[severe rampart]

Yeah, but with level 1 you cant throw a fireball at them and expect them to survive /hj

[lyric viper]

One of my players dislikes starting at low level after having played that over and over. So jumping to 15 or 17 gets straight to that high level play.
Personally I love lower levels and can get a bit stressed having to figure out a new PC at high levels.

[errant crag]

I wouldn't throw a fireball at my level 1 players

[rough basalt]

Dropping the deck of many things on a level 1 party has made me more radical, but level 1 purist still

[reef tundra]

At level 1 and 2, that damage dice for my enemies is never going to exceed 1d10

[rough basalt]

I think the highest damage die ive done to a level 1 pc was 2d12

[empty thicket]

The wizard with 8hp after receiving max damage:

[errant crag]

I don't like the whole earning your subclass thing because not all PCs are motivated by achieving impressive feats or proving themselves.

[rough basalt]

I dont mean ingame i mean out of game

[empty thicket]

That is when i would say to my players, be ambitious

Make your Pc ambitious in something, anything.

[rough basalt]

They gotta prove to me they can handle the power of level 3 pcs

[severe rampart]

I do agree with the notion of "earn your level"

[errant crag]

So you're going to require they play ambitious characters?

That kinda pigeonholes their narrative and roleplay

[still plover]

I'll say 1 or 2 because the first two adventures are gonna be single session deals at my table, welcome to the world, get to know each other. Gives us time to learn who's who, option to change builds around, etc.

[empty thicket]

Kinda, have an ambition is important at the end of the day

[torpid mesa]

The last campaign I've played, (starting at 1) I almost killed my rogue friend with a eldritch blast

[rough basalt]

My level 1-2 pace is very varying

[empty thicket]

it help to fuel the characters motivations

[severe rampart]

That's why you don't let players pvp

[rough basalt]

I've had them hit level 3 in like session 3, then another in session 5

[empty thicket]

not all the time, just few key moments tho

[reef tundra]

Same. Sometimes I spend a single session on it, other times I ran 3 months straight with my players at level 2

[empty thicket]

i had to grapple my paladin that got cursed, it was so one sided that i found it funny

[torpid mesa]

Can be fun sometimes.. I always try not to outright kill anyone tho

[reef tundra]

The players just couldn’t get a grip on the mechanics until month 2, but idm

[rough basalt]

ye thats why im a level 1 purist

[errant crag]

I guess forcing them into having specific motives is one way to encourage them to have motives

[reef tundra]

I was very proud of them when they finally hit level 3

Now they’re level 8, oh how my babies have grown up

[paper portal]

id get so frustrated by that ngl

[rough basalt]

I need to know if a player can handle a level 1 sheet

Or well part of why

[reef tundra]

Very valid

[empty thicket]

i accept any ambition, even the most complex or the most basic ones
"i want to be the strongest" to " i want to have my kingdom where people would be free from the evil and dangers of this world"

[reef tundra]

I think you mean motivation

[rough basalt]

If you dont have a driving motive to adventure then why are you adventuring?

[reef tundra]

Although I do acknowledge the line between them can be thin

[errant crag]

You can have a motive without being an ambitious character

[knotty vine]

No hokes?

[rough basalt]

If it's a longer form campaign you would need something more than "I wanna earn 20 gold"

[errant crag]

Motive and Ambition are different words that mean different things

[reef tundra]

My girl Victoria has a goal, but she is the least ambitious person I’ve ever seen

[empty thicket]

" i needed fast money" its a classic honestly

[errant crag]

You can have a character who is motivated and isn't ambitious

Motivated and Ambitious don't mean the same thing

[knotty vine]

Now im motivated

[jolly canyon]

Now I'm Ambitious

[empty thicket]

Yep, ambition can fuel motivation

[rough basalt]

And if you're pcs motivation is earning 20 gold then why not just go work the docks?

[reef tundra]

She literally had to be told by her teammates to keep a staff of baphomet bc she was perfectly content with her old staff. (Out of character we all agreed to take the staff but we knew in character Vic wouldn’t be bothered)

[errant crag]

That's the example you presented not the one I'm defending or pushing for

[reef tundra]

My ambition is eternal

[errant crag]

You're plugging that specific motive into what I'm saying when I never did

[rough basalt]

Well I'm presenting an example of a motivation thats not ambitious

[empty thicket]

"i was bored, so i went to do adventures"

[reef tundra]

One might say put these foolish ambitions to rest

[rough basalt]

In order to risk your life of your own choice for something you need to either have zero care about mortality, partially forced by circumstances or a powerful enough motivation that may border on ambition

[thorn wedge]

I like adrenaline and risking my life.

0% ambition, 100% motivation

[jolly canyon]

"I was bored.. so that's how I ended up killing God and saving the land" - the unmotivated adventure

[empty thicket]

"i like adrenaline and get paid, adventures give me both"

[errant crag]

Maybe my Fighter is old and wants to retire and hates adventuring and has no desire to prove himself or be a legendary champion, but is still delving into dungeons and slaying monsters because the land is unsafe and he feels that he can't retire yet while it's unsafe

That character has a Motivation but isn't Ambitious

[rough basalt]

Narrator: "He was very motivated, he just was never taught the word motivation"

[glass granite]

You could argue the desire to face the dangers of evil and protect the land is ambitious

[lyric viper]

Samwise Gamgee is highly motivated but not that amibitous I'd say as an example.

[glass granite]

I do agree though that not all motivations are ambitious

[errant crag]

Requiring the players to have an ambitious motivation forces their narrative and roleplay into a specific direction

It restricts their creative freedom

[lyric viper]

Well, maybe, with how he thought he could get back home again on lembas bread, but still. He's mostly out there because he made a promise to help and he's loyal.

[errant crag]

Which may be fine for some plots but requiring it as a baseline is something I wouldn't recommend

[empty thicket]

That is the funny part, they can change through the adventure

[rough basalt]

And if a player makes pcs that leave in a session cause he got 5 gold? or some very simple motivation that seems like the player is just trolling

[empty thicket]

There is Character Development

[jolly canyon]

"OK ok pcs you win... 6 gold"

[thorn wedge]

I think when we get down to it outside of camaraderie there’s not a lot of reasons for a party to stick together long term past like level 10 or so. You have to just kinda downplay that and roll with it.

[serene jolt]

My warlock is an adventurer because of her pact.

My druid was an adventurer because she had nothing left to live for (she gained things to live for).

My bard is an adventurer because he wanted to be a hero like in his stories he read.

I love coming up with fun reasons other than "money". Money becomes boring and achievable pretty fast to me.

[lyric viper]

I mean, not gonna lie, I often make PCs who have less of a solid motivation and just a severe lack of self presevation or understanding of their own mortality.

'This will be fun'

[errant crag]

Then you have a player who clearly doesn't care about the story of the game or their character

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[rough basalt]

Ye the "idc if i die" is probably the easiest call for adventure

[empty thicket]

At first a character would be ambitious about being strong just to feel proud of himself but end up getting in situations where he understand, there is not better way to be strong than protecting others or smt like that

[thorn wedge]

A level 10 adventurer should be able to live like a king in most places without much trouble. Not many motivations hold up there.

[lyric viper]

It is, but what's the goal of this example?

[empty thicket]

A level 10 fighter would be a really good bodyguard for aristocrats and kings

[glass granite]

I feel like by that level there are threats that go under “extreme circumstances”

[steep creek]

a level 10 adventurer would be good at sleeping outside the town(s)

[errant crag]

That's why you don't usually have games go from 1 to 20 without the driving plot changing

[rough basalt]

Thing is you could always just ignore them like 90% of other high level individuals

[serene jolt]

Yeah. She's a Kitsune, her clan got wiped out, and she was on the run from the Elven Kingdom that took out her family. So she figured she'd go to the material realm (as she was in the Wilds) and see if there's something interesting to do. Found a civilization in the middle of a desert that had an adventurer's guild, found a hot guy, stuck around for the thrills.

[steep creek]

and you think this is okay how?

[serene jolt]

🤷 It's her reasons.

[rough basalt]

Why isn't it okay?

[errant crag]

What's not okay about it

[lyric viper]

Yeah, that's a reasonable back story.

[serene jolt]

It's a story. Stories, especially in dnd, aren't always sunshine and rainbows. In fact, normally they aren't. Cuz what sane person becomes an adventurer?

[rough basalt]

When you got nothing left, I can reasonably see someone throwing caution to the wind and joining up with an adventurer they find attractive.

[errant crag]

I mean prioritizing fun after your family gets wiped out is an odd tonal shift but there's nothing wrong with that. I would maybe take the angle of going to the Material Plane to escape this hostile faction and taking up adventuring as a way to stay on the move and hone her own skills.

[glass granite]

A desperate one

[jolly canyon]

Tell us more

[lyric viper]

It's one to work on inuniverse too- like gaining closure for her clan, not pinning too much motivation on her partner- but backstories can be flawed.
Flawed ones can even give more room for drama and development.

[errant crag]

You can have romantic plotlines without them going 18+ explicit

[rough basalt]

Like my Rogue in Eve of Ruin. Her driving motivation is killing Vecna so Bane can say he's stronger than Vecna and my contract with him ends.

[serene jolt]

I mean she's dead now. But every adventure she went on, she wrote a letter to her clan about what she did and how much she missed them.

Her last thoughts were the last letter she wrote in her mind about how she will be joining them soon.

[thorn wedge]

Not everyone deals with loss in the same way, and tbh I feel the “my family was killed and I seek revenge” backstory is criminally overused

[shadow vapor]

Amulet of Proof against Detection and Location
Signet Rings of Blindness, Deafness, and Silence (Set)

Seems the amulet has been just barely dethroned.

[lyric viper]

Romance is normal. Perfectly valid to not want to RP it personally, but it's gonna exist. And it exists without going explicit.

[serene jolt]

She was a very deep character overall. Even if she didn't seek revenge for her family.

[thorn wedge]

A story in which someone loses their family and is trying to make peace with it although it obviously is destroying them inside, or is acting out wildly to cope with the pain would be a good change of pace.

[halcyon bison]

woah
i appreciate the dedication

[errant crag]

I love romantic plotlines and hate that they never happen at my table because everybody else's mind immediately drops to the god damn gutter. People can love each other without engaging in explicit stuff all the time.

[rugged hawk]

Oh, come on. You mean you don't like a stack of 30+ PC sheets who all share the same last name, class, and backstory of 'my cousin died on this adventure, so i'm here now for revenge/ to finish the fight'?

[rough basalt]

I like romantic plotlines and reason I won't do them is roughly same as that

I don't trust people to be mature enough about it.

[thorn wedge]

Ngl long romantic plot lines make me super uncomfortable at the table but if others like them that’s none of my issue. Do what you enjoy.

[errant crag]

Thats why you test the waters and if they can't stay mature you stop it

I don't see why to shut down the idea at the get go

[lyric viper]

A lot of my PCs end up in queerplatonic relationships anyway >.>

[rough basalt]

I end up just shutting down the idea in general cause I'd rather not test the waters.

[serene jolt]

The "hot guy" was being played by my boyfriend so I trust him to be good about it.

It's also on a Westmarch so everyone has a love interest there for the most part.

[thorn wedge]

If I had a nickel for every dead relative being avenged in a backstory I’ve read, I’d be a rich man

[lyric viper]

I don't plan it, but eventually we'll sit back and go... wait aren't these two just.. like.. kinda a couple already? Be it domestically, life partnership, or so on.

[rough basalt]

I just don't really RP enough for stuff to happen either

[errant crag]

My Wizard's death scene made the whole table tear up and it wouldn't have gone that way if he didn't have a budding romance with the tavern owner who he uttered his last words to telepathically as he died

[serene jolt]

I do have a developing romantic relationship between a character of mine and anothers' that actually isn't my boyfriend for the first time ever.

It was fully developed ICly, unplanned, so I thought it was cool.

[jolly canyon]

Lost love is a great story

[empty thicket]

be better, "this guy have a debt with my family, a big one. Im searching him and making him pay"
Its the BBEG that didnt paid when he visited the family restaurant, he is going to meet the fury of the Baker Wizard and his delicious army

[jolly canyon]

I'm sure your table was loving it through the tears

[rough basalt]

Tho I do have PC backstory and epilogue if my rogue survives and gets what she wants involving romance. Just nothing actually that would be present

[errant crag]

Yeah it was fire as hell we had to pause the session for like 20 minutes so people could recollect themselves

Everybody loved Erlymer the oddball wizard

[rough basalt]

Like I have a Monk who needs money to get his wife Regenerated so she can live normally again after some grave injuries.

[jolly canyon]

I don't think I'd ever bring romance to the table. Inwould absolutely have a romantic love interest in my background current or loss but not as something I want in game.

[serene jolt]

I think, if played right, romantic relationships in dnd bring some fun dynamics. As long as they are both between consenting individuals that don't feel pressured into it.

But I agree that it works a little better with a Westmarch or similar setting where you won't be hearing them flirting over the table and making everyone awkward. 🤣

[errant crag]

People have no idea the story beats they're missing out on by having a hard no tolerance stance on romance plots

You don't have to roleplay flirting to have romantic plotlines

[serene jolt]

Like when my bf and I have characters together, we leave the romantic stuff in our roleplays off table and just play relatively normally at the table, other than clearly favoring each other here and there.

[rough basalt]

I just have a hardline on one's involving me.

[empty thicket]

yeah.... i saw a short animated about it, It would be resumed in "You want to have 4 to 5 adults flirting with each other in an adventure game?"

[jolly canyon]

I absolutely agree. Just unfortunate reality that there are so mamy immature people out there

[rough basalt]

My players can do them amongst themselves if they want.

And I don't mind being witness to them in other games.

[lyric viper]

That's very valid.

[empty thicket]

Found it hilarious and revealing in some ways.

[errant crag]

Why is this the assumption

[rough basalt]

The Fighter in my Monday game and the Monk whose on hiatus are partners.

[errant crag]

Why do people think that's how it would go down

[jolly canyon]

Yup my players can romance eachother but nothing explicit.

[serene jolt]

I totally get not wanting to hear two people flirt with each other all session long. That's one reason why we don't (also it's awkward).

[severe rampart]

Fade to black all day any day

[errant crag]

Most people who play D&D are socially awkward anyways why do people think it'll immediately turn into raunchy vulgar roleplay

[empty thicket]

its what it said in the short, i think it would be different or in other ways, like my potato fighter flirting with a dangerous lady doing something strong and dumb

[rough basalt]

As far as I allow is dirty jokes in character as long as they're sparing and not like disgusting but just "come on" laugh kind of ones.

[serene jolt]

"Hey there baby cakes"

🤣 🤣 I can't

[rough basalt]

Like an occasional quip or something

[empty thicket]

Fail 1 in charisma
"Hey Fall, from which floor did you angel?"

[rustic mesa]

Wassup

[last marlin]

If it's been talked about in session zero or the group has a precedent for such jokes before gaming, I think it'd be fine

[lyric viper]

I don't mind IC flirting- feels IC same as opinions and values of the PC that don't match the player. I just feel like I'm playing dolls and making them kiss if I'm controlling both (NPC and PC for example).

[errant crag]

I just think it's a shame that so much storytelling potential gets completely shut out over people's assumptions of how others will roleplay certain story elements

[rough basalt]

Never thought about it like that. Makes sense tho.

[thorn wedge]

That is part of the reason right there tbh. In my experience it is the people with the least romantic experience or access are the ones who take it too far or make it uncomfortable.

[jolly canyon]

I already had a romantic plot line between two NPCs but it was purely a "this NPC cares about this NPC, please save the NPC or this NPC would be sad"

[thorn wedge]

I know it can be done well but ive had a couple very uncomfortable experiences that make me prefer to avoid it altogether. It’s a real campaign ruiner when it goes bad.

[errant crag]

I just think it's weird that we as a community are more okay with people describing their character slashing a person's throat or casting heat metal and making a man's chain shirt melt to his flesh than we are somebody roleplaying some flirting of all things.

[thorn wedge]

Ye I mean I don’t really count that as romance, that’s just people having ties. I don’t want to watch roleplay of people flirting or anything further really though.

[rough basalt]

I think a lot of people nowadays have little romantic experience and there's like a "cringe wall" I like to call it.

[jolly canyon]

Me telling myself how much I love myself cause I'm role-playing my own NPCs

[empty thicket]

sad that is true, but yeah, another thing to add to the list

[lyric viper]

I do remember in a westmarch watching a somewhat awkwardly RPed relationship between PCs that was kinda like watching kids play dolls (And y'know those players might have been pretty young) and thinking 'Damn girl, I'm gonna have to romance you just to stop this.'

Although, TBF, as an Aroace, I have personally very little experience- I'm just going from fiction and media here and what I'd like to read in fiction.

[errant crag]

I've been in one romantic relationship in my life and it ended in two weeks because I forgot I had a girlfriend, so I've functionally got no relationship experience and even I'm not so icked by romance plots in a made up story

[rough basalt]

The cringe wall as I like to call it is this thing built up from stuff being seen and spoken as "weird, don't do it" and a lot of people even if they don't want to, it can end up effecting them acting as sort of a wall that they feel uncomfortable or cringe climbing over.

[empty thicket]

do it funny
"here dear, i killed this owlbear and took his feathers for make a pillow for you rest your beautiful face"

"we have owlbear meat to eat for 2 months tho"

[thorn wedge]

It’s just preference and what you’re used to I think. And it depends how it’s handled. Like if someone was going super in depth of how they killed a creature or was like hyper relishing in it I would still feel uncomfortable probably. It’s the same for romance.

[jolly canyon]

I've got the opposite experience but I agree. I'm afraid of the immature people not the concept or romance in a rp game

[errant crag]

Then communicate

[thorn wedge]

Except with an extra layer because I feel like often people don’t completely keep themselves out of the roleplay

[errant crag]

Talk to them. Say things at the session 0.

[lyric viper]

(Turns out though I apparently could not beat the Rizz of the psychopath who burned down the inn and declared his undying love and that he'd kill everyone if she didn't marry him. >.>)

[rough basalt]

Damn. What a romantic

[jolly canyon]

If i end up in a game with people I don't know I absolutely will! Ngl it foes sound fun.

[errant crag]

"Hey guys how do we feel about romantic plotlines? Roleplay that falls into X territory is off limits"

[rough basalt]

Strahds approval meter definitely went up by 2 points

[empty thicket]

they always love "Bad Boys"

It happen

[lyric viper]

Yeah, fair enough girl, I'm sorry, I can't serve that drama.

[empty thicket]

You are worth more

[rough basalt]

I'd probably be open to it nowadays.

[errant crag]

My character has a mad crush on Strahd but he won't give her the time of day (night?)

[jolly canyon]

He just playing hard to get obviously

[rough basalt]

My rogues epilogue is just becoming a level 20 housewife if she survives.

[lyric viper]

Burn down his castle and declare your undying love.

[empty thicket]

Strahd see you approaching with crazy love eyes
Strahd: Okey guys, i need to fake my death and i promise to never do bad things anymore, PLEEEEAASEEE!!!

[severe rampart]

Level 20 Rogue Wife with Level 0 non-adventurer partner

[errant crag]

It was some pretty funny roleplay when he first appeared. She's a Reborn tried flirting with him and he blew her off for someone else and she was all like "It's because she's alive isn't it?!"

[empty thicket]

"Its because she is warm and had blood going through her veins?"

[rough basalt]

Pretty much. Her intention is to just find a guy she agrees with, and settle down in some city. Silverymoon probably.

[empty thicket]

"i can be warm too" Turn herself on fire

[errant crag]

Not the angle I was taking

[severe rampart]

That's a nice thought, could be what is also running through her mind as she dies in combat, if that happens

[rough basalt]

Tho her idea of courtship is like "Hey. Here's 80 platinum coins. Marry me and keep your mouth shut about anything you see me do that a normal housewife wouldn't."

[errant crag]

I'm in

[rough basalt]

In her head, that'd be the correct proposal.

[lyric viper]

I think the only time I've been weirded out by a romance was one that was, again, like someone playing dolls like in a text based server:
Lady: I love you so much sweety kisses and giggles
Guy: you are a good wife.

And then finding out it was a mum and son, where the mum didn't want her son RPing romance with anyone online (fair), so romanced his PC with hers ...Okay. I.. can see the logic. I guess. I just. Okay.

[severe rampart]

Objectively correct

[empty thicket]

"so im being paid for being a husband? Damn..."

"Okey, i wont ask from where you got DRAGON MEAT for our dinner"

[severe rampart]

Honestly, most would probably accept that offer

[empty thicket]

Yes.

[rough basalt]

Well should've read the fine print.

[severe rampart]

that 80% would turn into 100% if romance is also included in that offer, who wouldn't want a date night with a level 20 rogue?

[errant crag]

@tribal night go to #non-dnd-topics

[empty thicket]

jejejejeje anyway, one would love such deal

still 80 plat is... a lot

[tribal night]

Isn't like... divinity 2 made by the same people as baldur's gate?

[errant crag]

Yes but there's channels specifically for those

This channel is specifically for D&D the TTRPG discussion

[tribal night]

Baldur's gate isn't DND related? what

Hold up wait wait

[errant crag]

#baldurs-gate-3-spoilers is the BG3 channel

[rough basalt]

The fine print that the metaphorical husband wouldn't read over the money.
"At least 3 kids, you only eat what I make, you could be killed by bad people like my last husband, I am not liable for the resurrection costs."

[lyric viper]

Divinity is not D&D, no. You can talk about it in #non-dnd-topics

[severe rampart]

I'd take that offer, for sure

[jolly canyon]

Divinity will not be dnd, and will not be associated with WotC

[tribal night]

Ah thanks for the clarification

[errant crag]

Deal! Deal! Deal!

[tribal night]

because I thought they were saying Baldur's gate isn't dnd related

[errant crag]

I'm in!

[tribal night]

that nearly threw me in for a loop

[severe rampart]

Honestly, deal

[empty thicket]

yeah me too, wont even thought of denying it

[errant crag]

I wanna be a father!

[rough basalt]

Gives you the 25,000gp bill whenever a level 20 Wizard shows up on the doorstep and disintegrates you

[lyric viper]

BG3 also has it's own channel! #baldurs-gate-3-spoilers

[tribal night]

It's pretty much the same imo, just baldur's gate is for non creative people imo

[errant crag]

That's a take for #non-dnd-topics

[severe rampart]

and that level 20 wizard was her old party member

[steep creek]

no baldur's gate is specifically geared toward an older consumer

[rough basalt]

I don't think we have a Wizard actually

[severe rampart]

Well, no discounts then

[errant crag]

Baldurs Gate 3 is geared towards people who like fantasy RPG video games

[tribal night]

Yeah baldur's gate is just a tabletop game turned to a video game

[lyric viper]

D&D also includes related media like the novels, video games, movies and so on

[rough basalt]

Tho we are allied with Alustriel, Tasha and Mordenkainen so I certainly do know some powerful spellcasters.

[lyric viper]

Which is on topic for here, but to avoid spoilers, BG3 has #baldurs-gate-3-spoilers

(We also have #dnd-media which needs more love)

BG3 is pretty true to 5e.

[tribal night]

Really? I thought it was similar in DnD, 100% accuracy no def not

[rough basalt]

It's mostly accurate

[tribal night]

But it's still practically the same game somewhat, just not at all an exact replica

[rough basalt]

They have their own changes and whatnot because it's a video game rather than a tabletop game.

[errant crag]

Either way this channel is for the tabletop roleplay game D&D

[lyric viper]

And as someone who got into D&D through Neverwinter Nights, I'm absolutely saying that it's D&D related and has overlaps (although BG3 does not have the persistant world RP servers NwN did, which were basically just westmarches on a VTT)

[jolly canyon]

Bg3 brought me here(not exclusively but mostly) and yea feels very different

[tribal night]

I see, I was not clarified on that at all

[errant crag]

You weren't initially but I tried to

[tribal night]

Then I'll just leave it to DnD exclusive, no more Baldur's gate talk from me in this channel

[severe rampart]

Oh, so a discount is on the table

[lyric viper]

If you ever want to look through the channels for one suited to what you want to talk about #channel-guide is very handy as we ddo have a few.

But to clarify, while we do have #dnd-media as a more specific channel, things related to D&D TTRPG (Novels, games, movies) are still ontopic for D&D.

[rough basalt]

Alustriel maybe.

She'd probably have her do something

My rogue doesn't care for mordy and doesn't trust Tasha (not for the reason you probably think)

[errant crag]

Why's that?

[severe rampart]

All things considered, pretty good deal, 80 platinum, at least 3 kids, level 20 rogue by your side, yeah everyone would take that offer

[tribal night]

What's the best duo classes in yall's opinion?

[rough basalt]

True

[severe rampart]

Duo Classes? you mean Multiclass?

[tribal night]

I typically run monk and ranger

[rough basalt]

I know how obnoxious she is and I'd still take it.

[lyric viper]

You can talk about Drizzt and not be limited to just talking about his rare TTRPG book appearances for example.

[tribal night]

No as in two players/characters with two different classes

that's what I meant

[severe rampart]

Definitely, also, if she gets attached, (if she does secretly care but doesn't show), she might protect from the bandits

[fervent current]

Maybe barbarian, mage

[severe rampart]

Ohh, then... probably Bard and a Sorcerer/Cleric and a Fighter

[lyric viper]

So like, a pair of one PC is a Fighter, the other is a Wizard?

(Are we gonna ship 'em?)

[severe rampart]

if so, 100% Cleric and a Fighter

[tribal night]

Maybe...?

[fervent current]

Funky couple why you suggested it?

[jolly canyon]

Artificer and Wizard sounds funny. Both view magic from a scientific lens.

[lyric viper]

Paladin and Rouge is a classic enemies-to-lovers trope right there.

[tribal night]

I was more thinking of twin sisters in mind not an adventurer couple

[lyric viper]

Aaaah

Wizard and Sorcerer could be very interesting narratively for twins.

[fervent current]

Well then maybe rouge-ranger could be something interesting

[lyric viper]

One is born with innate magic, the other had to study it.

[severe rampart]

Cleric tenderly places their hand on the Fighter's cheek, casts Death Ward

[uncut zenith]

What about Cleric and Mascara? /j

[lyric viper]

noooooooo!

[tribal night]

Hunter's mark from ranger then sneak attack from Rogue, what a brutal combo

[lyric viper]

What have I done!?

[fervent current]

Cool

[uncut zenith]

Sorry, just a joke I can’t avoid making lol

[pearl monolith]

guys help i need a free aesthetic character sheet fast

[severe rampart]

I've read this before, I think

[severe rampart]

uhh this isn't really the server for that, maybe check online?

[tribal night]

DnD sessions with couples are either cringy or they make the campaign more hilarious

[pearl monolith]

i have tried

[fervent current]

Yeah but even with that the Ranger is kind of a shitty class

[tribal night]

I will not tolerate this ranger slander

[pearl monolith]

i have looked i cant find anything

[fervent current]

Excactly

[lyric viper]

Ranger works just fine. And can be pretty murderous in my experience.

[uncut zenith]

Rangers are great. At least in my experience they have been

[tribal night]

It's funny, I played alot of ranger but not druid

[severe rampart]

Bugbear Gloomstalker... 😨

[fervent current]

Really? I never found a way to make It work for me how did you do It?

[lyric viper]

I get the techincal number crunch and the meme, but boy is it tiring to hear new players constantly warned off a class that could be perfectly fun to play.

[loud tendon]

Ive enjoyed each of the three rangers i have played in the last 10 years.. different subclasses and personalities - lots of fun.

I didnt feel outclassed.

Other peoples opinions do not make facts

[fervent current]

Play druid Hella fun

[prime basin]

Bugbear gloomstalker ranger assassin rogue

[uncut zenith]

Personally my biggest issue regarding Ranger isn’t regarding the class itself, it’s that I’ve always wanted more Exploration rules to make Rangers really shine

[fervent current]

Mmmmmmmmmm maybe i gotta give the Ranger another go, why not could be interesting

[charred ridge]

So if I have a question about a race where would I go cause I'm trying to know everything about thread borns

[uncut zenith]

The class has always been good, it just required a lot of work on the DM’s part to make Exploration significant. So the Exploration class can shine.

[pearl monolith]

ok nvm i found a character sheet uhh anyone got a good name for a changeling artificer

[fervent current]

Yeah, that part is always overshadowed a lot in my opinion

[still plover]

Thread borns? Never heard of them. What do you know so far?

[pearl monolith]

lol

[charred ridge]

From the crooked moon book it's one of the races that were added to it but finding stuff about it seems to be kicking my butt

[errant crag]

It feels like a lot of people see a class that needs some working with the DM and just assume the class won't work. But I feel like most DMs are willing to work with players who are playing classes like this.

[thorn wedge]

The more I play the more realize that the game was balanced in a very specific way for a specific style of play, and it does work for that reasonably well. It’s just that most tables don’t play that way anymore, so some classes can feel really weak in that light.

[empty thicket]

same happen with rogues in almost same level so...

isnt a "one class thing" at all

[fervent current]

Me as also a DM could absolutely work with this but i never understood how excactly

[loud tendon]

Likely #third-party would be your best bet.

[tribal night]

I play a non stealthy rogue

[charred ridge]

Thank you

[empty thicket]

so a fighter with extra steps?

[tribal night]

Nah it's monk

[fervent current]

Sounds inconvinent

[empty thicket]

they share the disengage in teh same turn so....

Meh, it work idk

[tribal night]

Ranger slander makes me sad

because I can't fight back, they're right.

[fervent current]

But maybe Is Just a lot weaker fighter

[severe rampart]

Ranger is a perfectly fine class

[paper portal]

thats why you play 2014 where rangers are good (theyre still not bad in 2024 tbh)

[tribal night]

Yeah it's not bad, just people has valid points sometimes

[empty thicket]

I would only like that things like HM or hex be a bit better, but meh, it happen

[tribal night]

How I feel after seeing a male human noble paladin build for the 529835902th time:

[errant crag]

I don't think I've ever played a Rogue that was actually focused around stealth

[paper portal]

funny thing is rangers are stronger than pallies in 5e

[tribal night]

Rogues love causing problems

[empty thicket]

Its a classic, at least isnt an Tiefling rogue//warlock//Sorcerer or ranger

[fervent current]

Ranger is Indeed a fine class but, how we discussed earlier It requires a lot of collaboration from the DM which Is often not given

[tribal night]

I like to run the unclassic, rogue orc, halfling paladin, dragonborn bard

Wait in a fantasy setting, would people be attracted to a dragonborn bard?

Just any race

[errant crag]

There's nothing wrong with any specific race class combo

[empty thicket]

Exotic sell good so...

[fervent current]

Why the hell would you play a Rouge then

[tribal night]

Holy moly

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, that’s always been my mindset as a DM. I need to know my players, their characters, and their characters’ capabilities in order to make sure they all have their moments in the spotlight. Ranger always just felt like a little more work to me personally because Ranger was designed for Exploration, but 5E didn’t have a whole lot of rules to help focus on that pillar.

[errant crag]

Tell me which of the rogue class features specifically requires you to built them towards stealth

[tribal night]

There isn't, I just think running a boring character is well, boring.

If you're going to run human paladin, at least make the character interesting

[empty thicket]

true, but we cant deny that some races fit better with some classes. Not saying they should go that class but they could and would work better

[errant crag]

You shouldn't assume a character will be boring over its race and class

[tribal night]

I run other factors other than race and class, what is their character background? What do they do for a living? Their personality?

[paper portal]

rogues are heavily dex based which does kinda make stealth an easy choice but you dont have to

[errant crag]

Assassin doesn't require stealth it just requires high initiative

[jolly canyon]

My human fighter player is hilarious. He exaggerates his confidence and claims he's this legend(even tho no one knows him)

[tribal night]

If it's a generic nothingburger, I absolutely hate it

[uncut zenith]

Even a Human Champion Fighter can be an interesting character if their player does whatever they can to do more than swing a sword

[fervent current]

Well i agree its not entirely that but its Just a bit strange to hear a Rouge without stealt

[tribal night]

I love running smol girl with biiiig weapon

[errant crag]

Some of the people here are extremely closed minded it feels

[tribal night]

it's so cute

[empty thicket]

Self inserting exist too so i wont be too harsh with that and in other way, i kinda understand the classic Human fighter, after killing demons, creatures capable of decimate armies with only strength and will

[paper portal]

erm actually a rogue taking stealth is optimal so you umm uhhh :3

[tribal night]

It gets bland when I just see it so many times, I beg that it's a good character

[errant crag]

But you're writing the character off for being a human paladin without even hearing if their story or roleplay is interesting

[lyric viper]

I feel like stealth is actually a li'l hard to do in D&D

[errant crag]

You're assuming that they're going to be uninteresting before even hearing if they will be or not

[paper portal]

yeah a lot of the time it needs the whole party to have stealth which is why PWT is so good

[fervent current]

Maybe, but the sneak attacks require you to be stealty to actually do them

[tribal night]

If their background is a noble, how can I have my expectations up?

[errant crag]

You should read the class

[jolly canyon]

Nope

[empty thicket]

It always depend of what point of view people make of it too.
in another story, i made an Assimar Warlock celestial, i want to do the classic "im a good guy using not so good magic" or stuff like that

[lyric viper]

It's pretty abstracted down to a roll, so it's not like it's the most engaging thing to try and engage with like in stealth games where you can do timing or tricks. A stealth narrative is possible, but it feels more like a 'side' thing in D&D rather than a main pillar to explore with mechanics.

[uncut zenith]

I think the hardest thing about Stealth in 5E is that with it being a collaborative game, one character’s great Stealth numbers won’t help if everybody else’s Stealth sucks

[errant crag]

Then just split up lol

Don't be in a big party blob while you're trying to stealth

[tribal night]

If it's a well written character then I have no problems with it, I just want it to be interesting

[errant crag]

But you're going in with the expectation that it'll be boring because of the race and class

[tribal night]

I wanna be smoool girl, smool goblin goober carrying biiiiiiiiiig weapon

[errant crag]

You're already going in expecting it to be boring

[lyric viper]

'engaging thing to engage with'. Hmm... I think I might need sleep?

[tribal night]

If it's going to come out interesting, why would I continue to have low expectations?

[errant crag]

This is a super common anime trope I don't see how a human paladin is inherently less interesting than this thing that has been done just as much in media

[tribal night]

You're saying that I should keep my expectations low even after I heard their character? That doesn't sound right at all

[empty thicket]

i wrote some, tried to show how he is in that story too so idk if its interesting or not, want to check it?

[lyric viper]

I think we might be getting some cross communications and assumptions

[uncut zenith]

Hence my point about the game being inherently collaborative. If you’re splitting up to make the most of your own stats, that’s not collaborative.

[tribal night]

Nothing is being clear at all, all I'm understanding is that if I'm going to be a hater then hate forever

[empty thicket]

Wish could cast Zephyr Strike on allies

[lyric viper]

Again, might be that I need sleep, but I'm not actually even sure what is being communicated

[tribal night]

that's why I'm so confused why I should just be a big hater

[errant crag]

My curse continues of people reading what I say and acting like I've said something completely different

[empty thicket]

Be a hater, say that its jordans are fake or smt

(Its this how a patron feel?)

[lyric viper]

My gnome was a small girl with a big gun. (Thundercannon AU Artificer).
She was also married to the gun, who's name was Bonny.

Bonny screamed people to death.

[tribal night]

Because nothing is being cleared up, you didn't explain why it makes sense to continue to dislike something after seeing the character's background instead of changing an opinion

[errant crag]

That's not what I said

[lyric viper]

These are the delights of D&D.

[errant crag]

You're insisting I said something that I never said

[lyric viper]

Aaaaaalrighty then.

[errant crag]

I can't help you with that

[lyric viper]

Let's move on folk.

[paper portal]

thats just dnd players in general

[empty thicket]

But im comfy in my chaaairrr!!

[tribal night]

I literally said, "if the character is interesting then I have no reason to hate it", then you proceeded to say not to hate it to begin with or continue hating it

[empty thicket]

okey, im making me a coffee, any want one too?

[lyric viper]

Now I want to make a musical chair puzzle in D&D

[uncut zenith]

Dang, I suddenly feel like playing one of my favorite character concepts

[tribal night]

So it's wrong to change an opinion?

[errant crag]

I literally never said that though, I'm done talking about it.

[lyric viper]

Movin' on, now. Find a happier topic.

[uncut zenith]

An Ancestral Barbarian Kobold. King Kobold, King of the Kobolds.

[lyric viper]

Does small gobbo use big hammer or big gun?

[empty thicket]

Never, nothing is more nice than understand that one himself opinion could be wrong or someone else could be wrong and help it to change it for better or help to understand better its opinion

[tribal night]

I'm just genuinely confused at what they're telling me, not at all clearing things up to me.

[lyric viper]

These seem to be the only options for small girl big weapon. What other big weapon would be fun?

[empty thicket]

Remind me to poppy from lol

she is what i have in mind when people say "big hammer small character"

[turbid vessel]

Expand your mind, the possibilities are endless. Small gobbo uses big nunchuck

[tribal night]

This is the answer I needed, yet I never saw it.

People just tend to never tell me where they're getting at when I've told my perspective.

[lyric viper]

Dinnae make me call the modrons.

We're moving on to giant nunchuks now.

[paper portal]

i like the modrons theyre cute

[turbid vessel]

Question is, do you wield one or two

[uncut zenith]

Hear me out tho. Giant steel chair

[empty thicket]

In any way, Time to the most epic quest, the legendary alchemy jug

[woven flint]

Modrons are abominations!

[paper portal]

so am i doesnt mean i cant be cute

[woven flint]

You're not an abomination smh

[errant crag]

My Tomb of Horrors game was a huge success and I seriously want to run it again some time

[paper portal]

that's what you think :3

[uncut zenith]

Pre-5E modrons are cute. 5E modrons on the other hand are just… shudders

2 fleshy 4 me

[lyric viper]

I love the idea and am too tired to figure out how to make it work, and this makes me sad and inspired.

[woven flint]

I'm gonna squishify you

[lyric viper]

Giant rapier.

[turbid vessel]

New idea to add to a DND carnival
A classic kissing booth, but it's a modron running it

[idle oar]

So is that horror or comedy? 😅

[fervent current]

God youre right

[paper portal]

if only dnd included rules for how bigger weapons would work /silly

[uncut zenith]

MmmmmmI’ll pass

[lyric viper]

I like to imagine it makes those Wubwuwbwubwub noise when swung around. Like a saw.

[empty thicket]

"I got the jackpot" scene.

[uncut zenith]

Any character I’ve ever made or will make will pass

[fervent current]

Then the stealth part of the rouge is almost nonexistent

[errant crag]

Now this is new

[lyric viper]

Tis not just I! I have passed on the curse.

[paper portal]

yeah i never thought id see the day where a dnd player actually read the rules

[woven flint]

Did you dance?

[empty thicket]

kinda...the wording "Sneak attack" is... tricky

[errant crag]

Wait until you realize that Rangers have almost nothing in their kit that inclines them towards Dexterity besides starting equipment, and that they're just as effective strength based warriors as a Fighter would be.

[empty thicket]

if its a reference ot another scene im dead.

[fervent current]

I should replay some classes with this new perspective

[paper portal]

also multiclass reqs

[errant crag]

That too

[fervent current]

It could get interesting

[paper portal]

tbh tho most str based characters want 12 dex anyways so its fine

[woven flint]

Remember folks

9/10 Gamblers quit before they make it big

[stoic haven]

pfft, Hi Tokii

I think my current Wis based ranger has lower dex than entire party rn

[paper portal]

shillelagh?

[stoic haven]

Magic Stone

[errant crag]

TWF is just as effective with strength

[paper portal]

hand crossbow is better but yeah thats dex

[stoic haven]

I don't use Hunter's Mark

[errant crag]

Finesse weapons are not inherently better with either stat they can just choose to use either

[woven flint]

If i didn't roll poor stats, I would've made my current ranger a Strength-Based one

[errant crag]

Then go 14 dex and medium armor

[paper portal]

it does if you get heavy armor

[errant crag]

Or get heavy armor

[paper portal]

theres feats and multiclassing for that

or just go 14 dex yeah

?

[fervent current]

Not that, i more tend to understand badly some rules and then when i reread them i just know im stupid

[errant crag]

This is like arguing that Fighter is a Dexterity class because Dexterity is good for AC when nothing else in their kit inherently inclines them towards it

[stoic haven]

You can multiclass and still be considered a "ranger"

[errant crag]

Or you can take Heavily Armored feat

[hidden spindle]

You don't need Armor Training for Heavy Armor if you grab Shillelagh. It'll keep you effective until you get Heavy Armor training

[fervent current]

Like it appened this time

[woven flint]

Aye, but Rangers typically don't want heavy armor because that deactivates roving 😔
No multiple movement speeds for you

[paper portal]

yeah thats better than most dnd players who'll get the rules wrong and insist its everyone else that's wrong about it

[errant crag]

How is taking Heavily Armored feat making you not a ranger

You're still a Ranger

[stoic haven]

Magic stone is just annoying having to recast it every 2/3 rounds

[woven flint]

Taking armor is for Cowards!
I run into the battlefield NAKED!!!!

[errant crag]

Yeah and those people would still be their class

A Wizard who takes Moderately Armored and then Heavily Armored is still an 8th level Wizard

[stoic haven]

I mean, what feat would you take then?

[fervent current]

What a true coragious man

[errant crag]

It's like saying my House isn't a House anymore because I put a potted plant inside of it

[hidden spindle]

It keeps monoclassing progression for Armor Feats and maybe there's extra magic Armor later

[errant crag]

My house isn't suddenly outside

[woven flint]

Naked and Afraid?
No...
Naked and Enraged!!!!

[uncut zenith]

lol playing D&D like a FromSoftware game

[stoic haven]

I am not necessarilly understanding the point of said comment

[woven flint]

I start rolling around my enemies 5 bazillion times before getting a singular hit

[fervent current]

Letmesoloher core

[woven flint]

We all know the True Dark Souls build is Naked and BIG CLUB to bonk with

[errant crag]

Barbarian

[woven flint]

Indeed.
It'd the most Raging-est time of the year!

[errant crag]

I'm gonna make a Heavy Armor Rogue just to ragebait people

Strength based heavy armor rogue

[jolly canyon]

CL1 full CoS playthrough

[paper portal]

not if i beat you to it :3 (did it like a year ago smh im too quick)

[woven flint]

Me making the Rogue that beats you to death with Hammers

[hidden spindle]

Shield Master Rogue goes hard

[stoic haven]

I mean, if you are going str based instead of dex, you wouldn't go with Sharpshooter, CBE, or the dex based feats, so that frees up space

[errant crag]

I wish Dwarves still had medium armor proficiency it would save me a few feats on this Heavy Armor Rogue

[lyric viper]

Spoon!

[fervent current]

You will ragebait them real good i assure you i get angry just thinking at it

[hidden spindle]

I wish they made a Bruiser Rogue instead of this magical subclasses

[jolly canyon]

My cleric has 13 wis and 18 str and my westmarch tm8s were making funny jokes about it. "Lay on Hands? Nah Lay these Hands" I was dying

[woven flint]

If you're not beating someone to death with a Hammer..
Are you even really playing D&D?

[hidden spindle]

Good thing Tavern Brawler exists for Sneak Attack

[errant crag]

What does tavern brawler do for sneak attack?

[hidden spindle]

Pummel Strike with Finesse weapon for Bludgeoning + Proficiency for a little more Accuracy

[errant crag]

My strength rogue is still going to use Daggers so he can throw them

Big heavily armored tank with a big shield and then a little dagger

Sword and board more like knife and cutting board

[woven flint]

"That Rogue seems to be overcompensating..."

[errant crag]

I could go for Heavy Armor Greatsword Wizard

That might require a one level dip though

[glossy otter]

So, hows everyone tonight?

[hidden spindle]

Or a lot of feats

[errant crag]

Yeah too many for it to be feasible for me

[lyric viper]

Featsible

[hidden spindle]

Having to tell a coworker I can't trust them professionally, is not easy.

My stomach still hurts from the feeling

[paper portal]

dips are great we love dips

[glossy otter]

Oh hell, I'm sorry to hear

[errant crag]

I'll use the homebrew spell Pink's Big Feat (3rd level transmutation, gain the benefits of an optional feat for which you meet the prerequisites for a durarion of 10minutes concentration) to gain the Heavily Armored feat during combat

[remote wadi]

I don't know what that means, but oof. Sorry

[hidden spindle]

It's okay. It had to be said. They took no accountability.

[hidden spindle]

It's all good. D&D discord makes me feel a lot better.

[glossy otter]

Reminds me of a few stories of the fast food chain I used to work at till I managed to quit recently

but thats on an unrelated note

[lyric viper]

Any particular dnd-general topic you love talking about?

[woven flint]

Pinks big... feet >:p

[glossy otter]

How to traumatize a bard within five minutes or less jkjk

[woven flint]

LMAO, no wait 😭

I'm just being silly 😔

Look! I'm
THE April Fool

[glossy otter]

I'm playing....my uno reverse card (I'm kidding, i respect if anyone does genuinely feel uncomfortable)

[errant crag]

Hitting this with the skunk emoji has layers to it that people couldn't possibly comprehend

[paper portal]

i enjoy having random animals in my most used emojis

[woven flint]

I'm weeping...

[paper portal]

like its 90% normal stuff you'd expect and then 🦆 🐇 🦨 🦤

[woven flint]

Emotionally devastated /joking

[lyric viper]

All awakened animal party, protecting their druid's grove.

[glossy otter]

though the trauma does remind me, managed to score a new victim- recruit I mean. This shall be fun

[woven flint]

Pathfinder fixes this /silly /joking

[lyric viper]

The Dodo being in there is perfect.

[hidden spindle]

Hmm... generally I'm in the Rules. But character discussion when its how "I' would build something or what feat to pick rather than optimization.

[paper portal]

i should use dodo more often

[turbid vessel]

new april fools joke, talk about every tabletop EXCEPT dnd in this channel, the mods will love it trust me

[paper portal]

pathfinder fixes this

[woven flint]

Vampire the Masquerade fixes this

[paper portal]

it's pf2e btw

[lyric viper]

I'm gonna make you all into Dodos.

[woven flint]

Call of Cthulu does it better

[paper portal]

whatt even me

[turbid vessel]

nah it's GURPS

[woven flint]

Mutants and Masterminds flips the script

[paper portal]

more like SLURPS tbh cus it sucks

[limber trail]

Why are you the April fool on April 2nd, Tokemisis?

[woven flint]

Lancer is just cooler

[turbid vessel]

Mörk Borg fixes this

[lyric viper]

I've got 10 more mins of April Fools.

[woven flint]

Its still April first for me
But, I'm the April Fool ALL of April

[paper portal]

better make it count

[rough basalt]

And they finally fixed Pathfinder by adding the Nissan Pathfinder as a vehicle option

[woven flint]

Because my Birthday is this month and I get to play the Trickery Cleric

[turbid vessel]

my girlfriend broke up with me, does pathfinder fix this

[lyric viper]

Do folk make April Fool oneshots?

[woven flint]

Yeah, duh.

[paper portal]

yes

[lyric viper]

Actually, Maybe?

[glossy otter]

tragically my crew wasn't fond of holiday one shots

[jolly canyon]

Yea Mods we are talking about D&D... Diners and Dives

[lyric viper]

Dwarves and Dwarfs

[paper portal]

do fools make april folk oneshots? thats the real question imo

[woven flint]

You're sad?
Watch Perfect Blue >:]

[turbid vessel]

Dingos and Doohickeys

[glossy otter]

Damage and Do-you-have-insurance

[lyric viper]

Dragons and Diners maybe.

[woven flint]

Driders and Driftwood

[lyric viper]

That just sounds like an indi band.

[glossy otter]

Depravity and Dismemberment

[woven flint]

Dingle and Dorp

[turbid vessel]

Danny and Dilbert

[paper portal]

id rather have dinner with dragon tbh, sounds romantic

[lyric viper]

Dames and Dandies.

[glossy otter]

I only say that one as the dismemberment song literally came on my playlist XD

[limber trail]

Dice & Dice accessories

[turbid vessel]

Doctors and Daddies

[woven flint]

I'm gonna harass you in dms until you say hi btw

[maiden scroll]

LMAO

[paper portal]

W

[lyric viper]

Accurate.

[woven flint]

Dragons and Dungeons

[turbid vessel]

the romance heavily depends on what kind of dragon

[glossy otter]

Devils and Demons

[woven flint]

Silver Dragons would probably be the most romantic imo

[rough basalt]

I think ima kill a PC tonight

[turbid vessel]

if it's a green dragon they're just gonna mind control you. which to some is very romantic

[paper portal]

speak for yourself

[rough basalt]

Seems like one of those days the dice are gonna be cruel

[severe rampart]

Depends on what the dragon hoards

[lyric viper]

Deceased and Divorced

[turbid vessel]

behold, a dragon that hoards romance self-help books

[severe rampart]

he'd be a great friend

[lyric viper]

Oh no, we're gonna have to rescue the dragon.

[rough basalt]

I have a Dragon hoard starting in my room of collection items

[lyric viper]

Dragons and Doomscrolling 😞

[round mountain]

Dragon hoard of tech decks

[limber trail]

I hear an evil Knight is guarding it in a tall tower. We’re all gonna have to play princesses to rescue it

[rough basalt]

My goal is to hit 100 tabletop books by Christmas 2027

[woven flint]

Dragon with a hoard of those talking bass things you'd see at a thrift store

[round mountain]

Lolol

[maiden scroll]

:0

[lyric viper]

Rogue's worse nightmare.

[severe rampart]

Insane goal, and I am here for it

[turbid vessel]

it'd actually be terrifying to walk into a room full of those and they all start going off one by one

half of them are Jimmy Buffet songs

[glossy otter]

The bard's greatest dream

[woven flint]

The Dragon with a Hoard of Hoards

[rough basalt]

Well, I'm adding at least 3 or 4 books this year.

[lyric viper]

A dragon that hoardes side quests.

She'll get to them, eventually.

[woven flint]

Imagine a Dragon with a Hoard of Rick Astley cutouts

[rough basalt]

I'm a Dragon that hoards project ideas

[lyric viper]

Oof

[woven flint]

Hey, do you folks know of the Book Fort dragon?

[severe rampart]

Book Fort!

[woven flint]

Book Fort!

[glossy otter]

Yeah, met the guy. Real informative

[rough basalt]

I have at least 12 game ideas for 5e and other systems and I'm gonna just sit on them.

[severe rampart]

Like a good dragon

[rough basalt]

Like a what?

[woven flint]

Like a what?

[glossy otter]

I feel that. For dnd alone I already have thoughts for Lamordia, Lorwyn and Tarkir

[woven flint]

Dungeons and Dragons but you're just playing Yakuza

[lyric viper]

Ooh no

[woven flint]

Time for some Kareoke

[rough basalt]

I'm tempted to drop some music from the turn based yakuza games for boss fights.

[remote wadi]

tfw when someone apparently has ready your post looking for a campaign then proceeds to miss every single important part of your post

[turbid vessel]

can we run DOOM in dnd 5e

[rough basalt]

Like Wailing Warrior from Yakuza 7

[woven flint]

Dungeons and Dragons but the group is playing Terraria as their characters

[lyric viper]

The real mark of functionality.

[severe rampart]

"Sudden Death" themes from old video games as boss themes

[glossy otter]

Dungeons and Dragons is Strange: The game that reinforces consequence and romance

[lyric viper]

But tis now no longer the first for I, so I'm going to go sleep like a fool.

[rough basalt]

When your playing spelljammer on a ship that crashes on a ring shaped planet.

[limber trail]

We have:

• swords
• shotguns
• demons

…yeah!

[rough basalt]

And you have to escape it, running into a alliance of Space species

Then you and them awaken a plant species that takes over bodies.

[glossy otter]

and we fight religiously zealous aliens?

[echo niche]

I've come to the conclusion I'm bad at making friends... can someone do it for me?

[rough basalt]

Yes and the goal is to now detonate the spelljammer to blow up the planet

[woven flint]

Dragon whose Hoard is a bunch of empty Newport boxes

[glossy otter]

And the aliens will devolve into a massive civil war that turns into a whole political schism

[fair summit]

Oh man, now I wanna try running a DOOM inspired one-shot 🤔

[woven flint]

Hmmm..
I'll be your friend :]

[rough basalt]

Indeed. And the plant species will take over their capital city and become one of the most horrific moments in lore.

[remote wadi]

Mood

Good taste in class BTW

[severe rampart]

From the Nike Ad, "Just do it!", socialize, come and talk, you'll make friends here

[glossy otter]

ngl both the covenant and flood have inspired at least two of my bbegs in campaigns

[rough basalt]

I legit wanted to do a Spelljammer game with the flood

But I don't have spelljammer experience yet

And the tools don't inspire me.

[woven flint]

..
Wort Wort Wort!

[echo niche]

Should I be happy that April fools is saying they will be my friend xD. But I think I shall talk in here for a while if you all will have me

[rough basalt]

Run a one shot where you're stuck on the Rock of Bral after a flood spore crashed into it.

[glossy otter]

I mean the rule I heard was that it ends after 12

[woven flint]

I'm the April Fool, but not a malevolent fool

Just a fella

[rough basalt]

I think the bigger reason why I'm not running the third game I wanted yet is I'm just too focused on my current two games and my setting guide.

[remote wadi]

...did someone cast Silence on me or something? >_>

[woven flint]

No, but I'll cast it now

[echo niche]

No your being heard Bloodline I did actually want to ask about your preferred ranger subclass.

[rough basalt]

Once the Eve of Ruin game I'm in is over, I'll probably get around to another game.

[remote wadi]

Gloomstalker, usually

That extra damage and stealth elements pair nicely

[echo niche]

I was thinking of that one for a cos game I was about to start... but bad friends see...

Isn't that basically a rogue though xD

[remote wadi]

Is that a serious question?

[echo niche]

I'm still not fully sure what My ranger is... oh dear... have I annoyed someone already

That's what 4 messages

[remote wadi]

No...?

[remote wadi]

I just don't know what's the intention from this

[echo niche]

Thematically it's sneaky sneaky stab stab for extra damage...

Darting around in the shadows

It's cool! But I havnt fully delved into all the subclaas3s

I'm sorry

[umbral girder]

What Mastery does a Dagger have? Was it Nick?

[remote wadi]

Correct

[wheat chasm]

Yeet

[remote wadi]

By the way, it's pretty unfortunate we don't have a martial weapon that has Finesse and reach (aside from the whip)

[rough basalt]

Use the whip. It'd be funny

[remote wadi]

Maybe, but like... you would think someone could make a strong, but light polearm

[echo niche]

Toothpick on a whip?

[remote wadi]

Something that isn't a d4 for damage

[echo niche]

Dagger on a whip

[paper portal]

idk why ppl complain about whip being a d4 when daggers are too and they get used all the time

[remote wadi]

Hard to say

Just had one of those moments late at night where I bought a half decent weapon for my Ranger, but forgot said weapon uses strength

[daring stump]

Well greetings fellas!

[hidden spindle]

Its the thought that counts

[lean wigeon]

i think all weapons should do the same damage thumbs up emoji colon three :3 :3 :3

[daring stump]

I am new and am looking for a group and dm for a campaign..

Is this the place?

[paper portal]

surely this will be very balanced

[paper portal]

#find-a-game is where you wanna be

[hidden spindle]

If all weapons did the same damage, it'll be the 'same' weapon.

[daring stump]

I will also find the group there?

[paper portal]

yep!

[paper portal]

except many properties are better than others

[hidden spindle]

True. The weapons in '14 were kind of bad for this reason

[lavish flame]

I've been thinking about a simpler weapon system that only had entries like Small Weapon(d4), Medium Weapon(d10), Heavy Weapon(d12), Long Weapon(d8), and Ranged Weapon(d6) recently. Might be something to consider

[knotty vine]

Long weapon

[normal canyon]

hi.

[hidden spindle]

I would've liked it if the Smithing Tools were able to add or remove 1 Weapon Property.

Without homebrew

[lavish flame]

polearms

[lavish flame]

this woulda been sweet

[remote wadi]

Pffff, I guess so. Good thing we have a Cleric

Did get a little bummed out about the ping. Thought it was for my looking for dm post

[hybrid light]

I'm playing a flame based dragon-born wizard, we're only level two so far so we are just fighting goblins. However, I took control flames as a cantrip, and one of my favourite things to do is to encase the goblins in flame, and my DM is having difficulty balancing it. I think currently they have it as 2d6 fire damage, which can instantly melt them. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to balance it, for the sake of my DM?
(Sorry if this is inappropriate or in the wrong place, I can delete it if need be)

[umbral girder]

Control Flame shouldn't have damage as an option last I checked?

Yeah it doesn't.

Produce Flame and Firebolt are the Fire damage cantrips you likely be looking for.

[ripe nimbus]

they’re talking about extending the flame into a creature’s space

[scenic zinc]

My suggestion would be to have your dm not homebrew damage like that

[scenic zinc]

That doesn't inherently do a single thing

[ripe nimbus]

If you stand in the middle of a fire you’re on fire.

[scenic zinc]

Which doesn't do anything mechanically in dnd

[ripe nimbus]

yes it does

[umbral girder]

Well burning is a thing in 2024.

[ripe nimbus]

see the Burning hazard in the PHB rules glossary

[umbral girder]

It is 1d4.

[ripe nimbus]

d4 damage at the start of their turns. that’s what the damage should be for some set on fire @hybrid light

[scenic zinc]

You have to do something that gives that condition.

[ripe nimbus]

setting someone on fire does that

[echo niche]

You can dip weapons into the flame too

[umbral girder]

No?

[loud tendon]

it also says "...provided that wood or other fuel is present in the new location." So unless they are also standing on fuel-like items, you can't just push flame into a creatures space with that spell.

[cobalt escarp]

i think alchemist flames do that

[delicate owl]

Doing what you said does... NOT set them on fire.

[ripe nimbus]

engulfing someone’s space in flames doesn’t set them on fire?

[scenic zinc]

It doesn't unless the feature says so or if the dm rules that way.

[lavish flame]

do you have access to Produce Flame? if so, grab that one for a similar option with prewritten damage. Otherwise, I'd just look at similar damage cantrips and knock it down a die to "balance" also having the utility of the cantrip

[delicate owl]

That just moves the fire to a different place, the DM determines if it does so. It's just simply a situation where if a DM let you do that, and the feature/spell/etc says so, it does it. Otherwise, it doesn't.

[ripe nimbus]

yep, it can’t be done except if the goblin is standing in a very convenient location

[loud tendon]

Since there is no save or to hit option for any of Control Flames effects, it reads to me as beyond raw and unbalanced to allow it to autohit like that.

[hybrid light]

That's only for expanding it, one thing I'm not seeing is movement. Is being able to move the flame an expectation just I had or that most people do?

[round mountain]

What else with flames can you control if not its movement

[hybrid light]

Size, brightness, shapes and colours, and if you want you can instantly extinguish it

[ripe nimbus]

it’s d4 damage that is only able to be done under extremely limited conditions

ones that you’ll usually have to set up

[hidden spindle]

Its fuel!

[ripe nimbus]

and do you really need a rule that says “if you are standing in the middle of a fire you get fire damage”

[round mountain]

I think reading the spell in 2024 you can move it if there is fuel. It doesn't seem unreasonable that a person can't act as fuel

[ripe nimbus]

a person cannot act as fuel, i agree with that. but if they’re standing in a puddle of oil or on top of firewood, i’d let it happen

[hidden spindle]

Precisely. However, clothing can be fuel

[round mountain]

I wish I could control the flames of my love life 😔

[hybrid light]

Most of the time you can't burn anything being carried or worn

[ripe nimbus]

ehhh maybe, magic-related fire in d&d usually excludes things carried and worn. it’s an explicit exception in fireball, for example

[rugged hawk]

Well, obviously not with that attitude.

[jolly agate]

Wait a second, there's bloody sun vampires in dnd?

[hidden spindle]

Most of the time. Only its not written here that one cannot

[hybrid light]

Context for the combat when I first did it:
I did not use any bonus action and I used very little movement. Most of my turn was with my action; let's call it 5 seconds. My description was that I took the fire from the goblin campfire, formed it into the shape of a goblin, but 20 percent larger, then I set the fire on the goblin; they were instantly cremated.
It was the middle of combat, and my DM didn't prepare for me to do that, why should they, which is why this is a discussion
(Sorry if I ever come off as harsh, I'm not very good at anything social)

[round mountain]

[hybrid light]

True, though the writers probably didn't expect anyone to attack with it

[round mountain]

I think rule as intended versus rules as written is at issue here

[hybrid light]

Yeah

[rugged hawk]

Same issue as Trident of Fish Command, which lets you control 'any creature with a swim speed'

[round mountain]

Lolol

[ripe nimbus]

your DM’s fine to do it as a one time ruling, everyone makes panic rulings lol, but control flame shouldn’t be able to set extra things on fire without fuel in that thing’s space, i think. and any damage from being on fire or in a space with fire should just be d4, to match with the burning condition

[round mountain]

I'm totally rule of cool there personally. Like it's a 1st level spell that is very niche. I would let you get some damage off of it unless you were trying to abuse it as long as it makes sense to me

[hybrid light]

I think both my DM and I both like the idea of a fire bender, so I might propose making it into a slightly weaker, but more versatile "create bonfire"

[viral kraken]

control flames? that's a cantrip right?

[hybrid light]

Yes, it is a cantrip

[knotty vine]

me when bear

[viral kraken]

ya that's not a first level spell fwiw

[round mountain]

Oh it is?

[loud tendon]

yes

[round mountain]

I totally misread the block lol

[hybrid light]

lols, all good

[rugged hawk]

I'm fairly certain there is, or at least was some kind of rule about being able to damage items carried or worn. Like having to overcome a save or something, on top of the usual item hardness / item HP

[knotty vine]

Bears are fish in dnd

[round mountain]

Rangers are fish

[valid geyser]

any beast with a swim speed not any creature

[viral kraken]

na it uses a fish as payment to command the bear, clearly

[woven flint]

I'm a Bear, but I'm not a fish

[knotty vine]

bear is a beast with a swim speed 🗣️

[rugged hawk]

Trident of Fish Command: This magic weapon has 3 charges, and it regains 1d3 expended charges daily at dawn. While you carry it, you can expend 1 charge to cast Dominate Beast (save DC 15) from it on a Beast that has a Swim Speed.

[knotty vine]

polor and cave bear at least

[ripe nimbus]

“that can breathe water and has a Swim Speed” would fix it mostly

[loud tendon]

Please lets not get silly and off-topic

[knotty vine]

true but its funnier like this

[hybrid light]

Tell me how this looks to you:
When flames are moved into the same space as a creature, that creature must succeed a dexterity saving throw or take 1d6 fire damage and the "burning" condition, then the flame extinguishes
Burning: creature takes 1d4 damage (idk sometime during their turn)

[ripe nimbus]

unless you want it to control dolphins or something

[vague vessel]

Who would be considered the swat team in city guards or maybe baldurs gate?

[fossil hollow]

Flaming Fists

[vague vessel]

Makes sense

[knotty vine]

Flaming Fist

[ripe nimbus]

it looks fine to me as a houserule

[vague vessel]

Ready or not x dnd. I've gotten back into ready or not

[round mountain]

That would be pretty interesting actually

A campaign where you're a swat team

I imagine it would be pretty brutal

[fossil hollow]

My waterdeep and baldur's gate games are essentially that. BG crew was hired by the Flaming Fists

[round mountain]

That sounds fun

[atomic kayak]

Tbh, thats kinda how a lot of parties end up

Sorta comes with the "elite mercenaries for hire" type stuff that dnd tends to have going on often

[errant crag]

I'd rather a couple bears be included than exclude the various actual sea creatures that this would exclude

[round mountain]

Giant crab

Wait no they breath both

I guess it would exclude dolphins

[knotty vine]

Giant crab!

[fossil hollow]

Giant Enemy Crab time!

[ripe nimbus]

i mean should the trident of fish command command dolphins?

[hidden spindle]

Yes. Yes they should. Fish Command is just poorly named misnomer

[round mountain]

All I'm saying is when I see an Aquaman type character with a trident, they're riding dolphins and not fish

[rugged hawk]

Nonsense, my sorc doesn't need to, she can become a dolphin for an hour each day https://i.imgur.com/XrZ1Taa.png

[rough tide]

What if it was a really big fish

Theoretically you could ride a sunfish

[round mountain]

Pff

[rough tide]

The only problem is that they look ridiculous and by extension so would you

[round mountain]

That's such a funny picture cause I recall them being particularly slow swimmers as well