dnd-discussion

[paper portal]

diogenes said it to plato yeah

[cobalt escarp]

close enough

[cerulean monolith]

I want to make a Diogenes inspired PC but he’d be so annoying to have in a party

[severe rampart]

Closest you can make is headcanoning Diogenes as a massive Tsundere

[paper portal]

you'd probably have to make him a bit more family friendly too lol

[severe rampart]

I don't think anyone's ever said those words in that order

[cobalt escarp]

make him a wizard who "um,actually......" everyone

[stable kiln]

bear grills

[woven flint]

A Necromancer killed out lovely little bard lad!!!
I'm gonna KICK HER ASS!! Ragghh!!!!

[severe rampart]

if humans are fish, and humans are featherless bipeds, fish are featherless bipeds.

[cobalt escarp]

fish are bald chickens

[severe rampart]

we've solved world hunger

[cobalt escarp]

something like that

[severe rampart]

this was a fun discussion

[severe rampart]

Miss 4 times

[woven flint]

I thought you cared about bards!
I'm avenging one smh.

[severe rampart]

I thought you didn't like bards, why the change of heart?

[woven flint]

The bard is my characters friend

[severe rampart]

What type of bard

[paper portal]

humans are fish, doesnt mean fish are humans

[cobalt escarp]

just make the necromancer revive them

[woven flint]

Small sized Tiefling Lore Bard

[severe rampart]

Tiefling Lore Bard? Cerulia? Save them

[rugged hawk]

Of course fish aren't humans, they have the sense to not generate bureaucracy and politics.

[severe rampart]

I don't know, I asked a fish once about their policies

[sly estuary]

Waitt that's such a pretty name

[cobalt escarp]

one could call the food chain a bureaucracy

[rugged hawk]

Fish policy is 'attempt to eat anything that might fit in mouth'

[severe rampart]

the name of my player's character in the CoS game i'm DMing

[rugged hawk]

No, it's just a suggestion

Like physics

[severe rampart]

Echo is braver than I am

[cobalt escarp]

or the geneva convention

[sly estuary]

Where do yall characters names from? I lowkey steal from J.R.R. Tolkien for my eleven characters and lowkey say f it with other races names

[severe rampart]

Word play, Percy Jackson

[cobalt escarp]

i name charcters after a word that means something to them in a different language

[severe rampart]

I got a character named "Kalos" full name "Ecalos", which is the palindrome of Solace

[umbral girder]

The names from the rulebooks

Xanathar’s has a bunch, Volos too, the 2014 PHB. The 2024 DMG.

[cobalt escarp]

my warlock has the last name hexenmeister because thats warlock in german and it sounds cool

[sly estuary]

How much do these rulebooks cost?

[rugged hawk]

Too much, especially when they keep getting resold for additional profit

[umbral girder]

About $30 each. Has a like of DMing tools, monster, magic items, class options, etc

[sturdy niche]

just learned of the female draegoloth, Ryelahavdra Faentalach, in Ed Greenwood's latest realms lore video on his youtube, she sounds interesting especially since until then i did not even know there were female draegoloths, in a role of "the dark queen" as apparently they are preparing for a war beyond the underdark, she sounds rather interesting and hope we get to see her stated out or at least get some official artwork of her in a future realms sourcebook

[stable kiln]

me when i be poor

[paper portal]

yeah dnd books are pretty expensive

[sturdy niche]

you don't need to buy a specific book to create names for characters, granted some books have such things that can prove helpful, but for your own table's game anything you and your table make up is perfectly valid

[remote wadi]

Not going to lie, trying to find a group to play BG3 together should feel this hard

[umbral girder]

Tbh I don’t buy books for names.

[stable kiln]

i feel like there should be like...free simple books so people can at least try it out, see if they like it, and then they can buy more in depth books

[umbral girder]

I buy it for all the other stuff the book has.

[severe rampart]

time to hit up "Baby names" and make Google think that I'm pregnant again

[umbral girder]

The names are just a nice add on.

[paper portal]

that exists, its the srd

[stable kiln]

thank god for other apps that help

[stable kiln]

sometimes i be forgetting it exists

[woven flint]

The Necromancer got away.
She got away with killing my BOY!!!
she dimension doored away!
AAAGGHHH

[sturdy niche]

heck dnd beyond's character creator is linked to a website that can generate various names based on different races and species from not just dnd but other IPs too

[severe rampart]

Kill, like permanently?

[scenic zinc]

i love doing this lol

[sturdy niche]

first names, last names, nicknames, and any other kind of name too probably

[severe rampart]

None of my characters have last names, except my favorite, but he's my favorite so it don't count

[sturdy niche]

me i always when making a character tend to research their respective species and use the generator site that is tied to dnd beyond's character creation till i find one i like or feel fits the character i am making, current character i play is a goblin named Mongrel, which funny enough seemingly is both a possible male and female goblin name as i have had it appear in both options

[woven flint]

We're rushing him to a temple right now
We weren't too far from one, we're hoping it's not too late

[stable kiln]

apart from beyond, do yall use anything else to help? especially for homebrew

[sturdy niche]

not unless you count the books themselves and any ideas i have of my own

[severe rampart]

for what?

[stable kiln]

my one-shot idea i got in my mind

[umbral girder]

Last I checked there isn’t any official PDFs if that book

Or of any 5e book.

[remote wadi]

Question for chat

[sturdy niche]

you could always take creative liberties, Halastor is not called the mad mage for nothing

[stable kiln]

hes not insane, hes just really upset

[remote wadi]

What do you do when someone made a clearly negative and unappreciated remark and tries to use the common "I was just joking" backpedal?

[sturdy niche]

him remaking the very layout of the undermounted sounds perfectly possible if you ask me, especially for one's own table

[sturdy niche]

no, he is legit mad, in the sense of having lost his mind

[stable kiln]

Hit them with the "are you sure"

[stable kiln]

ok

[paper portal]

im running princes of the apocalypse which has a similar issue, i managed to find an entire collection of maps someone made for it online so maybe someone else has done it for DotMM too idk

[scenic zinc]

sorta depends on how often they've done it

[fierce lantern]

yes but it is my first time being a gm and i would like to do what the books says the most i can

[sturdy niche]

if you wanna change that for your table that is fine, but the default lore means mad in the sense of being insane

[scenic zinc]

and exactly what the comment was

[remote wadi]

Got blocked before I could do that

But person is trying to report me in another server for telling him to knock it off for the future

[stable kiln]

ss them

[fierce lantern]

specially in the map

[stable kiln]

get the proof

[paper portal]

shoutout randymaps btw this guy really drew the whole campaign for free

[undone bloom]

probably best to just let it lie then. they blocked you, so nothing to do

[severe rampart]

dude there's also this one person who made all the maps in CoS, for free, they're really helpful 🙏

[woven flint]

We arrived too late for a revivification..
But we were told of a powerful caster on a snowy island so.. here's to hope

Man, it sucks not having a Cleric 😭

[sturdy niche]

fair warning, without spoiling it, from what i have heard some find the as presented "final boss fight" as one may call it, underwhelming, i don't even know what it is, but is something you may wanna keep in mind if you are intending to play it and your players wind up getting to 20th level and making use of a lot of the various classes, items, ect... they can potentially have access to as a lot of newer content for both the forgotten realms setting and dnd as a whole has come out since then

[remote wadi]

I did. Made a ticket for the mods in case context needed to be given

It's still annoying... can't I find some normal chill people to play a BG3 campaign with?

[undone bloom]

you don't have any friends/players willing to play with you? i just played with three of my partymates

[sturdy niche]

i am fairly sure that game has matchmaking, besides i personally find bg3 perfectly fine for playing solo

like i honestly have yet to get bored off it, only have not been playing it cuz of new content in other games i also enjoy

[remote wadi]

Stuck in the rat race. Need to find potential friends to make friends

Making friends is hard online because of several circumstances

[remote wadi]

I get burnt out playing solo easily. I want to have others to play with

[sturdy niche]

i honestly would never call bg3 a game that needs friends to be fun

[remote wadi]

No, that's just me. Having to play solo all the time sucks. Need good friends and social interaction

[naive cedar]

I don’t think I’ve ever played bg3 multiplayer

[sturdy niche]

well it is hardly the most freely expressive when there is actual dnd you can do, so you are likely to have to focus on finding people and befriending them that already have and actively play the game

[undone bloom]

yea public matchmaking for BG3 sounds like a nightmare hellworld

[sturdy niche]

cuz compared to dnd itself, bg3's character creation and especially level cap are drastically more limited

[remote wadi]

I would love to if I had the right party. Unfortunately, far easier said than done

[naive cedar]

lol as a bg3 fan I wouldn’t play with a significant chunk of the fandom either

[meager fractal]

bg3 multiplayer is a blast

[naive cedar]

though tbf BG3’s fandom isn’t that bad compared to most other video games

[remote wadi]

Are dms open to talk about dnd and bg3 things?

[naive cedar]

Yeah sure!

You’ll have to friend me first tho lol

[remote wadi]

Not complaining at all

[umbral girder]

BG3 is usually for #baldurs-gate-3-spoilers or its own server last I checked

[naive cedar]

I mostly stick to my own little corners of the fandom that are not obnoxious

[sturdy niche]

yes, the level cap is sadly only 12 and there are even spells that were not even included that would be in the game if you were simply playing dnd, and the potentially issues are things that can be worked around or accounted for and are not inherently negative, but i can understand why the developers felt it necessary when adapting dnd 5e into a video game

[remote wadi]

That channel is for spoilers. But wanted to chat here for a bit

@naive cedar Friend request sent

[idle oar]

Nah that channel is for all things BG3

It just allows for spoilers

[remote wadi]

Hopefully with the proper spoiler marking

[dim wasp]

Huh

[idle oar]

Hmmm. Tough problem to resolve now that the game has been out for so long

[umbral girder]

Last I checked BG3 has its own server right?

[sturdy niche]

seems you can answer that question fairly easily on your own ^^;

though honestly you'd have a better time finding people to play it with via a bg3 dedicated server or something like that, rather than a dnd dedicated server that is primarily focused on the actual game of dnd

[dim wasp]

Can u not just mod bg3 to get rid of those issues?

[sturdy niche]

nor is it easy, and besides that is besides the point

[dim wasp]

How is it not easy

That's just being lazy

[sturdy niche]

it is not a perfect video game adaptation of the game, but i'd honestly say it is the closest thing for the amount of work and care that went into it

[umbral girder]

Yikes

[sturdy niche]

ok, you try moding or coding something from scratch and not breaking something, be it in the game or your system

[naive cedar]

tbf I imagine it would be very difficult to fully adapt modern dnd to a video game

[sturdy niche]

anyone that things moding something is easy, is either bias cuz they are already good at it, or ignorant to how diffcult such a thing can be

[paper portal]

yeah thats kinda what bg3 was

[dim wasp]

There's already prebuilt mods out there no one's asking to build or code something from scratch

[sturdy niche]

yeah bg3 is basically the closest a video game has ever gotten to adapting dnd faithfully to a videogame

[paper portal]

idk probably ages

[sturdy niche]

at the very least years, as for how many people i am not sure off the top of my head and they did a lot of testing, both internally and via betas

[naive cedar]

Ehh rhe older dnd games were probably more faithful (ljke bg1/2 and Neverwinter nights). That was an older system tho

[dim wasp]

It takes u 5 minutes to find a modding tutorial for getting the launcher and what not

[naive cedar]

Neverwinter nights 1 was good. I haven’t tried 2 but I heard it’s decent

[sturdy niche]

again modding it is not the point

[umbral girder]

Really leaving the DnD topic

[sturdy niche]

and besides mods that add something that is not in the game to begin with or removes something the game is built with in mind, always runs the risk of things going wrong, bg3 is by no means a bad game, but it is not as close to the real game as it could have been, but is pretty good for what it is, that is the last i will say on the topic, cuz yeah we are getting off topic to where any further talk is likely better suited for a different channel

[naive cedar]

Yeah I should’ve clarified: at the time they were made

[paper portal]

idk what the topic is but im studying to go into game design rn so im probably qualified to say my stupid things :3

[dim wasp]

😐 all I'm gonna say is this arguement is generic and leave it there

Hm

[paper portal]

what are you even arguing over lol

[naive cedar]

Idk tbh

[dim wasp]

Doesn't matter

[dim wasp]

Cool pfp lol we need this in DnD

[woven flint]

Update: Our Bard MAY live, but at an interesting resurrection type 🤔

[severe rampart]

They're coming back as an undead? Reborn?

[sturdy niche]

just to reitterate what i came in here to say because it is a bit more on the meta side rather than strictly lore, i just learned of the female draegoloth, Ryelahavdra Faentalach, in Ed Greenwood's latest realms lore video on his youtube, she sounds interesting, hope she makes an appearance in future forgotten realms sourcebooks or adventures, ideally with either artwork, a statblock, or both

[woven flint]

The woman who is resurrecting him is making a Doll-Like body for his soul to inhabit because his regular body was damaged, it's gonna take a few days in-game though

[dim wasp]

How's ur wraith stuff going along btw

[severe rampart]

Lmao, that's funny

[woven flint]

The dolls gonna look exactly how he did, but he'll probably have the statistics of a Reborn and MIGHT be a construct

[dim wasp]

He's gonna come back as a half human or something

[woven flint]

No, lol, he was a Tiefling, but he's becoming a Reborn potentially

[dim wasp]

What is a reborn

[severe rampart]

when they die and get resurrected in some way they're a reborn

[sturdy niche]

a lineage from one of the sourcebooks on the domains of dread

[severe rampart]

I got a reborn player in my group

[dim wasp]

Also what makes something be classified as a construct?

[woven flint]

That isn't normal conventional means, mostly

[sturdy niche]

basically a playable template of a construct or reanimated being

[dim wasp]

Do they have Any perks or what

[severe rampart]

If it was constructed? Maybe

[woven flint]

Homebrew thing of the dm

[woven flint]

Also^

[severe rampart]

No need to rat, etc, advantages on death saving throws

to eat, not to rat

[sturdy niche]

it is detailed in "Van Richten’s Guide to Ravenloft" if you wanna know the mechanics of it and that, i suggest reading it there if you have that sourcebook

while perks is not a term really used in dnd, they do have unique traits much like other playable races/species

[dim wasp]

What's the weirdest terrain/structure you has explored?

[umbral girder]

Idk I feel like they don’t need to rat either

[dim wasp]

When I mean weird I mean things aren't as it should be within that space

[severe rampart]

Really? then why does my player keep doing that...

[sturdy niche]

just cuz they do not need to do something does not mean they can't

[umbral girder]

They simply want to rat but don’t need to rat

[severe rampart]

Fair point

[umbral girder]

I should have a cranium boss fight for my level 16 party

[severe rampart]

It would also be fair to give shortsword proficiency to a sorcerer player of mine if they use it a lot in game no? IIRC it was outlined that the DM can grant proficiency like that

[dim wasp]

Atypical adventuring environments are Dungeons, Temples, Caves, Mines, Forests, Deserts, Plains, Oceans right?

[severe rampart]

I simulated the battle of the skeleton army against my players, here's how it ended

1 hp, 3 hp, 4 hp, 1 hp, downed

[sturdy niche]

the published books have rules for training, so yes, they very much can gain proficency they otherwise would not have

[umbral girder]

Nice!

[dim wasp]

I hope they have a healer

[umbral girder]

Sure why not?

Sorcerers don’t have many features with swords anyway

[limber trail]

No harm doing it

[umbral girder]

Be a nice add on instead of breaking anything

[severe rampart]

Two healers

[severe rampart]

They got some lucky nat 20s, so hopefully when I run it they'll be as lucky

[limber trail]

honestly most classes are fine with more weapon proficiencies anyhow. I can't think of many classes which would be too broken with more weapon options.

[dim wasp]

Good to know

[severe rampart]

T. Strike

[umbral girder]

And?

[severe rampart]

That's it

[umbral girder]

I didn’t say they had No features after all.

[severe rampart]

Yeah, and he wants to use the shortsword

[severe rampart]

Ye I wanted to say what he wanted the proficiency for

[severe rampart]

I can't decide how to fairly make the minions target them... I don't want to seem like I'm targeting a specific person

So I just roll a d5

[paper portal]

martial subs tend to be pretty lackluster imo

[limber trail]

I usually have enemies target either A) the most threatening creature (if someone has hit a big crit, for example), B) a convincingly vulnerable creature, or C) the closest creature,. In that order.

[severe rampart]

8 minions rain down arrows on the battlemaster, instant down

[sturdy niche]

in the 2024 dmg, provided one can find one willing to train the character, they simply need to spend 30 days with them in universe to learn the proficiency with a skill, tool, or language, weapons being something possible too if the dm wishes but by RAW that seems to be tied to certain bastion options

[limber trail]

I disagree, I actually find martial subclasses tend to be way more expressive and tie in a lot more to a character's identity. Caster subs are the ones I find to be a little less specific. Especially wizards/druid/clerics, in my experience, aren't as prominent for a character.

I'm talking more from a narrative POV as well as how much those subclasses affect other build choices, to be clear. I have not in my actual play experience see many casters develop their entire build around their subclass, whereas a martial player I typically see is much more entrenched in their subclass and the flavour that brings. I'm not talking about this from a strength or optimization POV and I am making a broad claim, individual examples might go against this claim, I'm talking about broadly my play experience as a whole

[prime basin]

You are for sure getting pelted

Every class deserves subclasses, because it helps to differentiate one from another. The only thing that would differentiate one wizard from another would be what spells they choose

[sturdy niche]

objectively false

if none full casters get them, it makes no sense to keep a core part of the game from them

so either everyone gets them or nobody gets them, else it is just unfair and unfun to other players

[woven flint]

Pelts you

[naive cedar]

Subclasses are less important to the identity of certain classes (Wizard for example) but they’re fun for every class

[dim wasp]

Ur mages must hate u

[limber trail]

My mages are not my most threatening players

[sturdy niche]

disagree, but to each their own

[dim wasp]

Who is ur most threatening then

[severe rampart]

Monk

[limber trail]

In my main weekly campaign it's probably my barbarian player

[sturdy niche]

if you are viewing your players as a threat, and not strictly to the creature/character they are fighting, i feel you are doing something wrong, but that is just my opinion at least given dnd is a co-operative story telling game, the dm and the players are ment to tell a shared story, not them vs the dm or anything like that

[dim wasp]

Fair

[limber trail]

I'm not viewing my players as threats. I'm playing enemies who are viewing my players' characters as threats. And that threat comes into play when the barbarian rushes up and hits the enemy for 50 damage at level 6.

[dim wasp]

I think it makes sense once u start getting to lvl 12 to use more advanced tactics

[limber trail]

I also yeah fully endorse using tactics from enemies

[sturdy niche]

nobody is saying it never made sense

[severe rampart]

Raining down 8 poisoned arrows against my monk

[limber trail]

I actually think advanced tactics are suitable and appropriate from level 1 onward

[sturdy niche]

fair, i just felt was worth throwing out there because some people geuninely believe it is ment to be dm vs players

[cold grail]

advanced tactics in my opinion are a must to make combat interesting from level 2 or 3 onwards

[severe rampart]

You mean... pack tactics? ba dum tiss

[limber trail]

bad pun smh

[severe rampart]

He's a wolf

[limber trail]

...Sublime pun

[mighty wharf]

What is more game breaking, a Ruby Weave Gem or a Broom of Flying? For context, I have a ring of spell storing I can combo with the ruby weave gem.

[sturdy niche]

in before all your players get lycanthropy and thus pact tactics

[cerulean monolith]

Likewise, a DM should (generally) be designing encounters with one goal in mind and then playing them out with another. For example, an encounter might be designed with the intention of the party narrowly escaping the BBEG, but when running the encounter the DM might be playing to kill the players.

[fossil hollow]

Isnt Pack Tactics a kobold

[sturdy niche]

neither

[dim wasp]

Arriving at this a building of torture I walked inside to visit the captive

[cold grail]

tiss tiss tiss if the creature is a pack creature...

[agile pulsar]

Would you eat an owlbear if it was properly prepared, such as cutlet sandwiches?

[sturdy niche]

multiple creatures have the trait

[woven flint]

Our Bard is back!!!
He lives! But he's a Doll man now

[limber trail]

100%.

[woven flint]

Huzzah!!!

[mighty wharf]

A broom of flying isn't game breaking? But that can just end scenes cut and dry for the entire party...

[limber trail]

My players recently went to a tavern in our campaign which sold giant feasts of all of the parts of an owlbear prepared in tons of ways

[severe rampart]

All things considered , this monk is the biggest threat to this skeleton army

[cerulean monolith]

Importantly it takes an attunement slot and can’t carry a whole party

[dim wasp]

Now he can forge songs of the party's greatness once more

[mighty wharf]

Like it solves SO many problems on it's own. I can just stuff 2 of my party members in a bag of holding, polymorph myself and it can carry the whole party.

[sturdy niche]

it isn't, else it wouldn't be in the game or the dm would not allow it to be acquired, many people make the assumtion innate flight is broken, but it is not as the dm can very easily compensate or take such things ainto account

[cerulean monolith]

Creatures suffocate inside a bag of holding

[woven flint]

Indeed, he's a Reborn now
Tiefling stuff is gone now sadly :[

[mighty wharf]

For at least 5 minutes for 2 creatuees, which if you math out the movement I'm sure is REALLY high in the air.

[sturdy niche]

just because someone claims something is broken or game breaking, does not make it so

[limber trail]

This kind of thinking of how to cheese the game and avoid all consequences or challenges might be making the game less fun in the long term by avoiding all of the fun challenges in a campaign

[dim wasp]

I would definitely make a fuss about this

[mighty wharf]

Besides, I think some of us don't even need to breathe from race traits or class features

[sturdy niche]

to be fair, not right away, it takes a few minutes if memory serves

[fossil hollow]

right, i was talking about the youtuber

[cerulean monolith]

Huh? That’s not how that works. A creature can hold their breath for 1 + CON mod minutes (minimum 30sec).

[mighty wharf]

Yeah, which is why I'm trying to find the lesser of two evils. I'm trying to have a conversation with my DM, I got an absolutely cracked random loot table for a shop, and made an absolute haul.

[sturdy niche]

again, neither is broken or more evil than any other

[mighty wharf]

The bag of holding rules says "10 minutes, divided by the amount of creatures"

[sturdy niche]

any item can be abused by a player with ill intentions

[fossil hollow]

after which they start to suffocate

[dim wasp]

Ye I can't lie I would quit as the DM atp

[cerulean monolith]

Oh, most creatures also can’t get into a bag of holding either. If memory serves, you still need to be able to fit through the opening to enter

[sturdy niche]

same goes for mechanics

[dim wasp]

Half of the climbing checks are gone

[mighty wharf]

So I'm trying to figure out some way where I can get value from the items without ruining my DMs plans or ruining the parties fun.

[dim wasp]

Party has broken gear

:v

[sturdy niche]

just sounds like the dm being mad they made use of something they allowed and were to lazy to take into account or remove from the ability of players to attain

especially for items like the ones that have been listed

[cerulean monolith]

Also, isn’t this point just about a Bag of Holding being powerful, not the broom? You could just as easily have a creature with a Climb Speed, or Boots of Speed, or a Rogue or Monk, or Boots of Flying, etc. hold the Bag

[umbral girder]

The bag is only a 4ft cube

[sturdy niche]

powerful is not the word i'd use, useful yes, powerful, not really

[mighty wharf]

The best thing I can think of is the DM having specially designed sequences MEANT to be cheesed, because we both love the cheesy combo, rule loopholes, and broken aspect of DnD, that's part of the fun.

[dim wasp]

I mean still how often do u see party members being stuffed into bags

[sturdy niche]

and even the broom is not that powerful

[fossil hollow]

just because something has shown to be powerful doesnt mean its OP

Dunno why powerful is always treated as OP

[stable kiln]

folks

[sturdy niche]

none, because they would sufficate and is hard to get in the bag potentially

[stable kiln]

i think i finished the premise of my one-shot

[mighty wharf]

I've heard it's campaign warping... from multiple sessions. The broom, at least. Haven't heard the same for the gem.

[fossil hollow]

those people have skill issues for DMs

[sturdy niche]

misconcpetions, lazy dms, ect... take your pick there are no shortage of believable explanations for better or worse

[dim wasp]

They can hold their breath for a few so not really they wouldn't

[mighty wharf]

People stuff skeletons into bags for animate dead all the time.

[fossil hollow]

You want campaign warping? Try Deck of Many Things

[cerulean monolith]

“This feature that lets you do something you couldn’t before means that you have new solutions to problems??? That’s broken” is something said way too often here

[agile hemlock]

Okay, I have a conundrum

[stable kiln]

Stanley parable dnd game when

[limber trail]

Neither have to be evil. Having a broom of flying doesn’t immediately mean you have to use it to pull off some complicated battle bus situation for players to all load up onto the broom of flying. You can just use the item as intended - to ride on in combat and for personal mobility.

[fossil hollow]

Now that warps and potentially destorys campaigns

[sturdy niche]

except they could, unless they could get out and get fresh air before they suffocate

and depending on the situation, you may not have that luxary

[mighty wharf]

True, but that's just kinda broken in the boring way if you think about it. The DM has to specifically design every future encounter by the fact that I'm a Wizard that can cast spells from super far away and fly away from enemies now.

[sturdy niche]

magic items, player races, and certain mechanics are honestly only an issue if the player using them actively makes them a problem

[fossil hollow]

Again, overusing the terms OP and broken there

[agile hemlock]

Let's say that you wanna make a character whose mind is sort of... split after a momentary possession, and now part of your psyche is married to the memories, personality, and opinions of this evil ghost.

Would it be offensive if the personal story is more or less about trying to do good in spite of thoughts and even moments of forfeiting agency, rather than trying to do a whole Jekyll and Hyde or Fishmalk thing?

[fossil hollow]

my god

[mighty wharf]

It's not really creative or fun usage which is what my DM and I like.

[dim wasp]

This tbh I'd rather have players use items as intended than see the fighter performing a 50 ft aerial slam(Frieren/Vox machinga reference)

[limber trail]

By the time you have items like that your DM should already be planning encounters around stuff like this

[sturdy niche]

they still take falling damage

[dim wasp]

I can't lie aerial attacks are cool and all but then again at a point it becomes old

[sturdy niche]

at least if you are doing it like vox machina

[dim wasp]

Yes but that doesn't matter if they grab the kill

[mighty wharf]

We're level 8, I think he was too generous and wasn't expecting our progression to go like this...

[fossil hollow]

sounds like a skill issue

[dim wasp]

Can just be healed

[sturdy niche]

kind of does, especially depending on how much hp they have and the party's access to revival magic

[mighty wharf]

He's the type to say "You can certainly try" and I'm the type to find a way to perform a miracle

[cerulean monolith]

Again… adding a new mechanic means that there are new variables to situations. This is DMing 101.

You could literally say the same thing about everything. “Oh, the DM now has to contend with the fact that the Monk can outrun almost every enemy!” “Oh, how will the DM account for the Warlock taking Repelling Blast?”

[dim wasp]

Ye I think he needs to rewind

[sturdy niche]

the core books, specifically the dmg have a section on consequences, the risk of falling to your doom while landing a killing blow for the sake of looking cool, i'd say falls under such a thing

[mighty wharf]

Or just make things more difficult for us

[limber trail]

If the players are getting too strong it’s a sign that it’s time to increase the difficulty

[hollow estuary]

If you wanna farm very rare magic items kill a adult white dragon. At level 8 with four well built characters it's not much of a challenge

[sturdy niche]

the skys have many a dangerous predator in dnd

[dim wasp]

If they don't die (odds are fall dmg gets split 50/50 they can just be healed like I said b4

[sturdy niche]

giant predatory birds, griffons, wyverns, dragons, and everything in between

[cerulean monolith]

I do in fact think every thought in this message was wrong

[woven flint]

Roc/Vrock time

[sturdy niche]

key word is IF

[fossil hollow]

even better, chasme

[dim wasp]

BBE would have to be tougher than normal then also idk how'd u do that at level 8

[mighty wharf]

Yeah, I think rewinding all the items that I was just lucky enough to get on a loot table would be incredibly disatisfying for me. Like I was definitely wanting to use these items at some point, they were on my wish list, I just think they maybe came a little unexpectedly??

[sturdy niche]

honestly i'd call out a dm at being a poor dm if they did that, at least that is just me

[limber trail]

This fully relies on a DM choosing to allow you to find endless adult which dragons and then give you loot for it

[woven flint]

Vrock are only CR 6? What the hell...

[hollow estuary]

Or remorhazs

Both are within reasonable cr range

[sturdy niche]

that is a single one, and pretty sure they rarely are encountered alone

[cerulean monolith]

Yes because the choice of monster was obviously the issue

[dim wasp]

So just spread them more or level lock Them?

[hollow estuary]

And white dragons aren't stupid either. If they determine they won't win they will surrender or even flee

[sturdy niche]

plus they are also beings that spread sickness and plague from their wings

[hollow estuary]

It all revolves around catching them off guard

[woven flint]

Obviously.
I'm just surprised it's so low CR

[dim wasp]

Why isn't it much of a challenge

[delicate owl]

D&D is not like a video game in 90% of games. Seems like you're probably from a particular type of game style where such things are normal, but try not to give advice or recommendations of any kind when you're playing a specialized type of game.

Monster's do NOT just drop loot like a pinata when they die, nor are they often able to be made items out of.

[sturdy niche]

plus a demon like other extra planar beings, don't die when slain on the prime, so they can come back in the future, likely with a grudge

and keep in mind the CR and statblocks are Average Examples of that creature

[limber trail]

The DM does not need to reward that kinda behaviour if it’s not what they want the campaign to be

[mighty wharf]

I was thinking level locking too. I mean, a lot of the items I got were spell scrolls which are time gated and money gated for me to copy into my spellbook, and one of the spellbooks he had given me to copy from I only have temporarily

[sturdy niche]

average is average, an individual being can have anything from class levels, magical items, spells, ect...

[mighty wharf]

I haven't looked extensively at the spells, but there were some good spells on that list.

[dim wasp]

Hm

[dim wasp]

CAN WE CARRY BACK THIS BULL PLEASE I WANT IT TO BE SKINNED FOR CRAFTING /j

[hollow estuary]

Oh for sure! The environments you fight them in are very easy to avoid the environmental effects. If it's some artic cliffside theirs lots of cover.

Alongside that they only have 200 hp ac 18 and deal 58 cold damage (easy to resist + most characters (martials) assuming optimal stat investment should have about ~130+ at level 8.

At level 8 you get level 5 spells and two feats.

All the effects stack to make the white dragon easy pickings at this level

[sturdy niche]

CR is a loose gage of strength, typically in reference to a party of 4 of comparable level without counting magical items and do to the nature of dnd not every monsters is suppose to be deadly, and again AVERAGE means average

[mighty wharf]

Yeah, nothing like this happened. We just chose to use our characters across multiple campaigns, and the loot from the last campaign gave us a shitton of gold. We then entered a big city with a dedicated noble commerce faction, which had a HUGE market with 3 whole sections.

The DM has us roll skill checks for determining loot tables, like an arcana, perception, or investigation check to see "what we find" in the markets or what catches our eye/know about.

[woven flint]

Casters get 5th level spells at level 9

[dim wasp]

Well if u entered a huge market I think it's justified

[hollow estuary]

Oh your right mb.

Level 4 is still great

[sturdy niche]

odds are white dragons are gunna heard about their kind being targeted and use their expert skills as apex predators to hunt and ambush you if you start going after them and your dm lets you, you have to keep in mind you are opening yourself up to all the risks that entails, regardless if you considered them or not

[paper portal]

the hell kind of martial has 130 hp at level 8 lmao are you sure you're playing the same game

[dim wasp]

Ah makes sense

[paper portal]

a 16 con barb has only 85

[mighty wharf]

I have a 20 in int, I am very specialized, I rolled arcana REALLY high and used detect magic primarily for flavor) to find the magic items in the market and he adjusted accordingly which just resulted in a really cracked loot table that also randomly had good uncommons n stuff.

[paper portal]

even at 20 you have 101

[hollow estuary]

Plus tough. + Dwarf. + Asis.

You get so many free asis in the new edition

[dim wasp]

Do wyverns exist in DnD?

[mighty wharf]

But because every player makes a skill check, we all got different loot tables

[sturdy niche]

no monster if used properly is just some trivial foe to be farmed for loot, sure at certain levels weaker creatures are gunna be easier, but you are far from invincible or unstoppble

[limber trail]

They do

[fossil hollow]

yes

[sturdy niche]

yes, they are a species of lesser dragon known for the potent venom in their stingers

[paper portal]

😭 why are we healthmaxxing (also even then you dont hit 130)

a tough barbarian dwarf with 20 con has 125 hp at level 8

[sturdy niche]

wyvern venom in dnd is some of the most potent in existence, described as disintegrating the victim's veins as it B lines to the heart

[dim wasp]

Sounds like hell, let me guess they exist in packs mainly?

[limber trail]

Also broadly, the DM just doesn’t need to reward that fight with loot

[primal wolf]

hill dwarf + tough + 20con + rolled above average?

[fossil hollow]

theyre typically solitary

[dim wasp]

U can ping me btw

[paper portal]

i guess lol but they said average martial lol

[hollow estuary]

At level 8 you also at this point have enough money to buy gauntlets of ogre power. So you also get +19

[dim wasp]

Hm

[hollow estuary]

To str

[primal wolf]

you could throw the aid spell into the mix

[fossil hollow]

Sol, are you just playing AL or something

[paper portal]

idk why that is affecting this at all

[sturdy niche]

i know, but i choose not to, not everyone likes being pinged nor feels like it

[paper portal]

this doesnt sound like any AL game ive heard of but i cant say ive played it myself

[hollow estuary]

Allows you to shift investments to con

[dim wasp]

So how many saves do I need to fail before I'm ded

[hollow estuary]

So you can actually get 20 con.

And 18 dex

For 21 AC and 130 health if we get a shield + rage

Pick giants path and we chilling

[paper portal]

you literally cant get 130 health lol

[hollow estuary]

125

Close enough! Round up 🤑

JK yeah it's 125

[broken imp]

really? gonna try that real quick and try to get as much health as i can

what lv is this for?

[primal wolf]

you can tho you just need a spell

[paper portal]

a 20 con dwarf barb with tough has 125

[agile hemlock]

I drink an entire jar of pickle juice to increase my max HP by 30

[paper portal]

but like thats one very specific build

[hollow estuary]

We forgot about resolution of the syndicate

[broken imp]

no i mean without spels and temp buffs

[dim wasp]

So yk how irl people can build up their toxin tolerance by having toxins in small amounts

[paper portal]

the vast majority of martials are gonna be closer to 50 at that level

[dim wasp]

Does something similar exist in DnD?

[agile hemlock]

That’s technically not true.

[sturdy niche]

that can vary, but honestly lore and rp wise, it will be worse than any pain your character could have ever experienced before hand, and without a spell like regeneration, i would not reasonably expect blood to flow properly to that part of the body even if you do survive, and it deals the damage to you regardless, at least in the latest version, no save at all, you take the damage and if you survive you are poisoned

so in short 0

[paper portal]

fighter with +2 con has 68 for reference

[fossil hollow]

The assassin statblock has resistance to Poison damage for a reason

[dim wasp]

Well obviously it varies with the poison but it should work with most

[sturdy niche]

in older editions mechanically this was much harsher given the nature of the mechanics at the time where you would more or less die instantly as i recall

[hollow estuary]

That's less then 10 hp per level 😭

[agile hemlock]

Poisons and toxins are on a biophysical level able to rip and tear into tissue. We tend to memorize diseases as an intrinsic part of our immunity, since we more readily deal with adversarial organisms more so than the specific poisons and venoms in the world

[cerulean monolith]

12+7*19+2*20+7*20=192
Barbarians can get 25 CON, remember?

[dim wasp]

Assuming it functions the same way a vaccine would (irl) @agile hemlock

[paper portal]

yes thats what most characters have

[sturdy niche]

real world science rarely is applicable to dnd

[paper portal]

i dont think your table is at all accurate to most people's dnd lol

[agile hemlock]

A vaccine is a highly controlled and edited form of a disease, either made somewhat unable to replicate or by just copying specific proteins for cells to memorize rather than the disease proper

[hollow estuary]

Oh. Yeah okay i guess I might be playing higher levels then most bother with 😂

[dim wasp]

Damn

[lean wigeon]

shape water lungs

[paper portal]

wdym by higher levels lol i mean youre not using the same rules as anyone else 😭

[hollow estuary]

I sweat adventurers league 😭

[agile hemlock]

The antiquated way to build up a resistance to an illness was variolation, which just means… Get sick and have doctors monitor you

[limber trail]

That checks out

[paper portal]

ok so it is a goofy AL whatever and not normal dnd

[fossil hollow]

called it, its AL

[dim wasp]

Lmao oh wait do I spy teorita in ur pfp?

[sturdy niche]

adventures league is basically just a more rules strict version of the published stuff

[fossil hollow]

No, its Yixuan

[paper portal]

sounds much less rules strict by what theyre describing lol

you want rules strict you go into optimization

[sturdy niche]

honestly to my knowledge most people don't play adventures league since dnd is about creativity and fun first and for most

[woven flint]

Hello, friends 🧐
I return

[hollow estuary]

I exaggerated the health by 5 okay I'm sorry

[dim wasp]

Oki

[hollow estuary]

Most martials I play with get around 110

[mighty wharf]

Well, we managed to kill a young green dragon, 2 owl bears, 2 displacer beasts, and like 8 goblinos in one encounter, fairly spaced out. I hit them with a hypnotic pattern, most of them were charmed, then the DM had the dragon do a breath attack forgetting the "fireball issue" and not backtracking his decision for some reason wiping out all but 1 of the goblins and one of the owl bears. We walked the park with those guys, I think he just massively underestimated our ability to handle a dragon.

[paper portal]

you said most characters would have that much not the absolute highest you can get is that much 😭

[rough basalt]

Got a nice whiff of dead pc tonight.

[dim wasp]

Welp would be nice to see this become a system In DnD, and not have it limited to a few characters @fossil hollow

[hollow estuary]

Well I mean if you don't pick tough then your not tuff. (Fact)

[paper portal]

also martials (and tough) arent very strong but thats more an #optimization topic than here

[fossil hollow]

what

[rough basalt]

Not a permanent death tho

[mighty wharf]

For context, I'm a powergamer with control spells, we have a monk... midmaxxer I want to say, and we have 2 more casual players.

[rough basalt]

Dudes a reborn now.

[dim wasp]

Building of toxin resistance

[lean wigeon]

gurps fixes this

[woven flint]

:[
My poor bard buddy

[rough basalt]

One extra trauma level to orizontas

[agile hemlock]

GURPS technically fixes everything. The main question is…

Will you play it?

[woven flint]

Orizontas when he finally loses his goddamned mind

[paper portal]

pathfinder fixes this

[sturdy niche]

again, real world science rarely is applicable to dnd, things like magic and gods and what not in dnd are fundamental facts of existence, unlike are world, not to mention some diseases are magical in nature

[dim wasp]

R u in toki
toki campaign

[naive cedar]

Does pathfinder fix it tho?

[cerulean monolith]

0D&D fixes this

[hollow estuary]

Sent in a level 12 swashbuckling goblin with 8 levels in battle master fighter named "El Antonio De Mollosi." And have him be greedy and arrogant and challenge the party. If they fail to defeat him then Antonio robs them 🤑

[woven flint]

Breaking Bad fixes this

[paper portal]

why are we giving monsters pc levels lol

[agile hemlock]

That’s true, but the question was clearly trying to bridge a real-world thing in order to gamify it, so it’s still important to know how reality operates even if you choose to ignore it.

[rough basalt]

I'm the dm yeah

[dim wasp]

@woven flint have they reset their max hp btw

[paper portal]

you should kill tokii's character imo /silly

[woven flint]

Whar

[sturdy niche]

fix? something needs to be broken in the first place to be fixed, not having something by design does not make it broken, dnd is not the perfect system, if you want certain types of games there are systems better suited as they are designed with those things in mind

[lean wigeon]

hell no

[dim wasp]

The wraith shit

[woven flint]

Everyone wants Orizontas to die, apparently
He's the first Fighter I've played that I enjoyed, man 😭

[rough basalt]

Funny thing is, one of the enemies of the group that killed the bard had the long coveted plate armor

[woven flint]

What Wraith?

[dim wasp]

...

[agile hemlock]

Blackjack

[delicate owl]

And we just left it there 🙁

[rough basalt]

But Orizontas a true hero, a real human being

[woven flint]

I've never had dealings with any Wraiths

[hollow estuary]

Just for the sake of them like performing sneak attacks and battle master maneuvers. + Fears

[sturdy niche]

who the heck is orizontas? should i have any idea who that is? cuz i don't yet you said it like it was something previously established

[dim wasp]

Maybe it was someone else

[woven flint]

"Human"
Looks at the most Dragonborn ever to Dragonborn

[rough basalt]

And a real hero

[rough basalt]

His Fighter in my game.

[woven flint]

I'm a cool Dragonborn, I breathe LIGHTNING!

Fire breath is overrated

[umbral girder]

Joy? In our D&D games? He needs to stopped! /jk

[rough basalt]

Need to make a meme of orizontas in the suffering builds character loop

[mighty wharf]

Does Antonio have legendary resistance?

[agile hemlock]

The only joy I feel in life is doing a spell that actually succeeds/a spell with a save that enemies fail

[woven flint]

Orizontas needs.. 50 Javelins of Lightning btw

[mighty wharf]

SAME

[rough basalt]

500 javelins

[sturdy niche]

well much like in real life it is not uncommon for someone to want another someone dead, weather they know it or not, if they are a good person and actively foil evil deeds, those evil beings or the ones those people serve ar in their right to hold a grudge or want the hero's demise

[dim wasp]

I'll support you with my Tidal Wave!
(insert japanese accent here)

[delicate owl]

Rodrick is just there like "Well, that sucks, that dude died."

[hollow estuary]

2 of them ye

[woven flint]

Wuyang is Chinese if you're referring to him

[dim wasp]

Not

Lol ty tho

[dim wasp]

Have u seen s3 of shield hero?

[sturdy niche]

dnd worlds are not comic books of old, good does not always win, the cosmos is a lot more complex than many mortals think in and out of universe

[rough basalt]

?

[agile hemlock]

I’m a fan of Geas

[woven flint]

I don't watch anime, no.

[dim wasp]

Sadge

[woven flint]

My favorite anime ever was Dorohedoro though 🧐

[agile hemlock]

Enchantment spells are good and cool, and Illusion as well

[umbral girder]

Best anime is Cory from Cory in the House.

[dim wasp]

Y don't u watch?

[woven flint]

Mostly because Okuyasu from JJBA's Japanese voice actor plays the MC for that

[agile hemlock]

Damage is fine and all but I like trickery and schemes

[paper portal]

i like watching demon slayer fans argue about powerscaling its funny

[sturdy niche]

not even an anime, also that joke i am fairly sure at this pont has been beaten in the ground so much you can't even see anything resembling a horse anymore

[naive cedar]

That joke was old a decade ago

[dim wasp]

U could have gone rogue

[woven flint]

I used to watch anime, I just .. don't anymore lol

[dim wasp]

Hehe

[mighty wharf]

I like making enemies not do anything. I've been told I'm like, super boring for enjoying this playstyle.

[sturdy niche]

i have seen power scalers, but never seen nor heard anyone try to power scale demon slayer

[dim wasp]

Fair it's harder to find good anime these days

[delicate owl]

Hm, is this the dnd discussion channel or the anime discussion channel?....

[agile hemlock]

It’s actually why I sometimes play Warlock. Everyone has a price

[woven flint]

It's the channel of channels

[rough basalt]

AnD discussion channel

[sturdy niche]

good point, should get back on topic if we wish to speak more in this channel

[paper portal]

the whole show is utter nonsense for powerscaling

[woven flint]

Goku solos 🤓

[sturdy niche]

though honestly i am probably gunna go back to hanging out in the lore channel

[umbral girder]

Hear me out, Lost Mines of Phandelvar the Anime

[agile hemlock]

Although… a Lore Bard could also be quite devilish

[woven flint]

Szass Tam Solos 🧐
(We love our Liches)

[rough basalt]

The real truth is that there wouldn't be power scaling if I was in those worlds, I'm too built different.

[agile hemlock]

And Glamour

[mighty wharf]

See, I'm the kind of player who sees Legendary Resistance as a challenge, not a deterrant. Time to cast cheap save or sucks skipping my enemies turn so they burn their resistances then hit them with the BIG save or suck!

[rough basalt]

So playing tactically

[paper portal]

you might like #optimization :3

[woven flint]

Me when I spam Command

[rough basalt]

Wouldn't even say it's optimization

Tho ig some would argue so

[delicate owl]

That is not optimization.... That's just good strategy.

[paper portal]

not really but from what theyve been saying that might be their thing

[agile hemlock]

I have a character idea now

[paper portal]

also i wanna shill it cus i think its fun lol

[agile hemlock]

Lore Bard lawyer

[mighty wharf]

Momentary Stasis with Silvery Barbs (we're going to nerf barbs, probably remove the advantage aspect of it)

I just want to reroll saving throws with it

[umbral girder]

I once burned all 3 of a boss’ legendary resistances in 1 turn.

[mighty wharf]

Stunning strike monk?

[umbral girder]

Nope 2024 Paladin

[mighty wharf]

Oh my god if our monk goes with multi-stunning strike, we will be an unstoppable duo.

He will SHRED legendary resistance and I will end the fight from there 😭

[umbral girder]

I had Find Steed (Fiend version) and playing a Necrotic Shroud Paladin. I had a +2 Amulet of the devout.

It was a melee only monster so I spammed frightened on it.

Action from Channel Divinity, Bonus action from Aasamir, Bonus action from Horse

[dim wasp]

Keep this bag closed if you wanna get home sirr

[limber trail]

How did that happen?

Ah I see

[umbral girder]

It failed all 3 wisdom saves which was fun.

Then the wizard casted Sleep and it was over for it

[mighty wharf]

Oh my god I have another character I built SPECIFICALLY to do this, a fear build Oath of Conquest Paladin multiclass into warlock for Form of Dread

[umbral girder]

Find Steed in 2024 is a pretty good spell

Also a Nat 20 with a horse led to the funny joke of “the horse does a backflip”

[dim wasp]

Since when did horses learn to back flip

[umbral girder]

When they are a flying magic summon with a Nat 20 on a dex save

[dim wasp]

If I was the horse I would give the owner a good nip before going off lmao

[prime pewter]

What are some fun first level wizard spells? (Magic initiate wizard. 24)

[mighty wharf]

Wizards with Phantom Steed:

[umbral girder]

Considering it cost me a 4th level slot I expect a flip to be fine

[mighty wharf]

Combine that with Leomund’s Tiny Hut and you can just ritual cast 4 horses for your entire party.

It takes an hour but you can save SO MUCH time on travel and it's like not real time anyways

[dim wasp]

The nip is for all the trauma

[prime pewter]

Even tho I can technically summon a familiar (wild companion) it doesn't last very long, so maybe find familiar?

[umbral girder]

That first horse would last for like 30 minutes before despawning

[fossil hollow]

Wild Companion is Find Familiar

[umbral girder]

Because each Phantom steed will take 11 minutes to summon.

Plus the 2024 Find Steed has an actual combat stat block too.

[prime pewter]

Yes, but I want a permanent lil ferret

[fossil hollow]

Magic Initiate Wizard?

[prime pewter]

Yes

[umbral girder]

Grease is a silly one!

[fossil hollow]

Greaser mentioned

[umbral girder]

Just make difficult terrain and make people fall over.

[prime pewter]

Oh that sounds cool!

[mighty wharf]

You can get around this with DM negotiating. You can ask to cast all 4 at once and still have it require an hour. If they're planning on stopping you from travelling to where you want to go, they will probably do so regardless.

[umbral girder]

Tasha’s Hideous Laughter is more amusing the stronger creature you got under it

[fossil hollow]

by this point, anything goes

[umbral girder]

So homebrew

[dim wasp]

What kind of adventure can you make with a river or a lake

[umbral girder]

When you can buy a dirt cheap wagon + horse

[fossil hollow]

One based around what lives in or around it

[dim wasp]

Hmm not much lives in the rivers as far as I'm aware

[umbral girder]

Perhaps a river boat bringing important trade up/down the river.

Maybe there is a monster on the boat or people wanting to steal from the boat (PCs or Bandits)

Or maybe there is a great Fishing contests (including monsters)

[fossil hollow]

I feel like im missing context. Because i can imagine Naiads, Hippocampi, quippers, dolphin delighters to name a few

[umbral girder]

Hippos

[fossil hollow]

Hippos are a good one

[mighty wharf]

Eeeeeeeh no, I feel like that if you think about it as preparing four ritual magic circles, and diverting your focus on all of them for the spell, you can make a reasonable case for it. Making such an extreme statement as "anything goes", I can respond with "well if your DM agrees with it yes, that's sort of how the system works". It doesn't disprove the argument

[dim wasp]

I can think of caverns, portal, contamination is all really

[fossil hollow]

"If i just ask to ignore the rules, it works"

[umbral girder]

Someone is making a Dam and it’s a danger for the wild life and the towns.

[limber trail]

Yes, yes it is, grease is spectacular spell

[dim wasp]

Like it's more in the river or revolves around that particular water body rather than the surroundings

[fossil hollow]

Thats a nonpoint

[mighty wharf]

Again, another very large statement. Asking for permission is not a guarantee something will work, I'm not saying it WILL always work. Just a use for phantom steed that is not strictly a combat horse.

[umbral girder]

Maybe a river is having flooding and it’s making monsters get too close to towns.

[fossil hollow]

i was never talking about phantom steed in combat

[umbral girder]

Not the point

[dim wasp]

Non point?

[hollow estuary]

How much hp does the trackless sea have

[dim wasp]

Dam

[fossil hollow]

Trackless

[umbral girder]

I got that last one from a D&D novel about a Druid.

[mighty wharf]

I mean completely disregarding the flexibility aspect of DnDs system as "homebrew" for a scenario which is like, not THAT unreasonable is kinda crazy to me.

[fossil hollow]

"If i ignore why this doesnt work it works"

[dim wasp]

Tbf this could be interesting or good tho

[dim wasp]

Hmm fair

[umbral girder]

At this point Ti we just block and move on.

[mighty wharf]

Well, if I take your approach to argument, then the DM can rule against anything even if it is RAW, so it still wouldn't work.

[fossil hollow]

The point is that with homebrew anything goes. Which means that with homebrew, anything is possible, and thus its not a point at all

almost a given

[dim wasp]

Is there anything similar to a hydra that would inhabit a lake or river

[umbral girder]

Yeah the monsters are only the current problem but the flooding is the longer issue. Two things for players to solve.

[fossil hollow]

Goose Mother

[mighty wharf]

But it's not entirely homebrew it's just a flexible interpretation of ritual casting.

[umbral girder]

Sure why not?

[dim wasp]

Quack quack quack

[limber trail]

I could see a hydra being an amphibious creature

[umbral girder]

It is an amphibious monster I think? Hydras?

[dim wasp]

Mish tru

[fossil hollow]

Hydras are last i checked

[umbral girder]

Ah no they can “hold their breath for an hour” aka close enough.

[fossil hollow]

The original myth was residing in a swamp too

[dim wasp]

Hydras either float or are on land

[fossil hollow]

and it had a giant crab bodyguard

[umbral girder]

You could look at swamp monsters too for inspiration I suppose

[dim wasp]

Well tru but a swamp and river are quite different

[fossil hollow]

See florida

[umbral girder]

It’s mainly because swamps are basically in land watery areas for ideas

The Monster Manual 2025 has a list of terrains monsters like to hang out at.

Apparently Metallic Dragons don’t like to hang out in Swamps.

[fossil hollow]

Rivers can count as coastal, just ignore the obviously ocean monsters

[feral fulcrum]

Hyradas with giant water wings and pool floaties

[dim wasp]

Crab in swamp interesting

[fossil hollow]

It was sent by Hera

[umbral girder]

Snorkels for each head

[dim wasp]

Are hydras snake like in structure?

[umbral girder]

It’s basically that one PvZ zombie

[feral fulcrum]

Exscuse me I want Sharks in my fantasy water city Canals.

[fossil hollow]

Yeap, aside from their body

[fossil hollow]

Fresh water sharks are a thing

[feral fulcrum]

Something's gotta replace the Alligators in the sewers

[umbral girder]

You could add something terrifying like hippos

[dim wasp]

I always use hydreigon as my point of reference for a Hydra because I always thought they would float

[fossil hollow]

Hydras tend to swim

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah but I'm talking about the big ocean going fantasy ones. Dire Sharks

[limber trail]

They have a swim speed and can hold breath

[fossil hollow]

Is a Tiger/Bull shark not a dire one

[dim wasp]

Mini hydra

Lmao

[feral fulcrum]

You can get bigger then a Bull Shark.

A proper Dire Shark should be able to swallow a whole canoe in one bite

[fossil hollow]

This is literally the type of shark known to eat almost any type of garbage

including tires

[severe rampart]

yummy

[fossil hollow]

and whole people

[umbral girder]

You could have something wildly different there too

[severe rampart]

too trashy for my tastes

[umbral girder]

Like a mummy rising from the river.

[dim wasp]

I'm just thinking an aquatic 3 headed hydra that could control lightning water and nature

[feral fulcrum]

What's a mummy doing in a river?

[dim wasp]

I'd feel bad for the PCs

[severe rampart]

It's been dehydrated, it wants to rehydrate

[unkempt atlas]

Guys idk how to feel, we just massacred an entire civilization of fairies and now im a father to an orphaned fairy

[dim wasp]

The Egyptians lost one of their rulers

[umbral girder]

I don’t know and I’ll respect his personal privacy

[fossil hollow]

taking her kids out to bath

[feral fulcrum]

When you say "Entire Civilization" do you actually mean an entire civilization, or just one random village?

[severe rampart]

I feel like if you woke up from a 1000 year old nap, a good bath in a river would do you good

[feral fulcrum]

Because there's a distinctly, VAST difference in scale there

[umbral girder]

The Mummy is still in deNile

[dim wasp]

This gives breath of the wild vibes

[unkempt atlas]

Like a total of 8 million fairies

[dim wasp]

How?

[unkempt atlas]

I really tried saving them

[feral fulcrum]

Well I can tell you your groups going to the nine hells.

[unkempt atlas]

Dragon

[dim wasp]

Tell more

[fossil hollow]

Or even better yet, the attention of Titania

also, probably a topic for #tales-from-the-table

[dim wasp]

What's titania

[fossil hollow]

The queen of the Fey

[feral fulcrum]

Who the heck doesn't know Titania!?

[umbral girder]

Titania I think

[fossil hollow]

People who arent well versed in fae folklore

[dim wasp]

Do I look I've been in contact with fairies

[feral fulcrum]

Where's my carboard tube, I need to beat some knowledge into someone

[unkempt atlas]

We have an adult red dragon in our party and we destroyed its entire kingdom in revenge for the dragons mother. The fairies almost TPKed us though

[umbral girder]

How unhappy would Strahd be in the Feywild?

[paper portal]

yeah have you seen this discord /silly

[rough basalt]

Depends, is Ireena there?

[fossil hollow]

Entirely until he sees a hot eladrin

[dim wasp]

Tpked?

[unkempt atlas]

Total party killed

[severe rampart]

Why would a place called Titania house fairies (yes I know the difference between fairies and pixies)

[rough basalt]

Ireena the Eladrin

[feral fulcrum]

Less Unhappy then being stuck in the place meant to Ironically mentally torment him

[umbral girder]

Nah that’s lord soth

[severe rampart]

Barovia

[hollow estuary]

Strahd would have no trouble getting back to familiar lands. The shadow fell and fey wild have many portals between each other

[fossil hollow]

I thought both of them fell for elves

[mighty wharf]

I mean if you want to get REALLY technical, last I remember the 10 minutes to cast for a ritual is more of a suggestion and baseline than a actual rule, and it's the DM that decides the ritual cast time based on context.

[rough basalt]

Tatyana was human I think

[umbral girder]

Lord Soth sees another elf woman and reacts as he always does

[dim wasp]

*sighs *
I haven't been on any adventure that's led me there yet

[fossil hollow]

that wasnt the question

[unkempt atlas]

I found out the orphaned baby is the princess of the kingdom we just massacred, and now i have the burden of raising it

[hollow estuary]

Then no he wouldn't

[dim wasp]

Wow

[fossil hollow]

Its... its the literal rule for ritual spells

[rough basalt]

Wait you're telling me my cool Lord Soth gets weak in the knees for Elf women?

[fossil hollow]

Its not a suggestion, its just how it is

[rough basalt]

I don't blame him

[feral fulcrum]

But yeah, Titania's gonna kill you all for that, and then if you're lucky, your souls go to the Nine Hells.

[unkempt atlas]

I tried everything to convince the others to not do it, but I failed

[paper portal]

i do love abusing optional rules but yeah ritual casting like that isnt a thing afaik

[unkempt atlas]

I am haunted by it all

[rough basalt]

I gotta wonder how angry the Krynn Gods were when Soth fought out of Ravenloft and came back to Krynn

[fossil hollow]

I would also fold if Elinase was there

[feral fulcrum]

"No! Back into your corner of shame!"

"Timeout isn't over!"

[severe rampart]

I don't know enough DnD lore for this

[rough basalt]

DnD lore is very ridiculous

[severe rampart]

are the Krynn gods good?

[feral fulcrum]

And semi-frequently retconned

[fossil hollow]

Soth and Strahd are both incels whose downfall was because they wanted the wrong woman

[umbral girder]

I like that Strahd got a pet Dragon.

Then Lord Soth forced his way into Barovia just to kill the dragon and then leave Barovia.

[fossil hollow]

theres 15 gods, 5 good, 5 neutral, 5 evil

[umbral girder]

Both

[fossil hollow]

Paladine/Bahamut and Takhisis/Tiamat are notable inclusions

[rough basalt]

One of the funniest bits of Dragonlance lore is that Krynn Gods used to banish people for getting too high level

[feral fulcrum]

Krynn's deities are generally...comically inept.

[umbral girder]

Lord Soth isn’t as bad as Strahd in origin. Lord Soth’s origin was a lot of people’s bad decisions that made him who he is.

[rough basalt]

You'd hit level 18 and they'd kick you out of Krynn

[feral fulcrum]

Like getting trapped inside of bottles levels of Inept

[fossil hollow]

We do not tolerate Fizban slander

[umbral girder]

Lord Soth’s origin story has a lot of blame to be spread around compared to Strahd.

[severe rampart]

hopefully no spoilers for Dragonlance: Shadow of the Dragon Queen

[rough basalt]

Not really

[severe rampart]

yipee

[fossil hollow]

Nope. thats just general meta dragonlance knowledge

[severe rampart]

got my favorite character playing in that one

[rough basalt]

Fizban being bahamut is an open secret

The entire Treasury of Dragon's has quotes from Bahamut in Bahamut character but written as Fizban.

[fossil hollow]

actually, the "bahamut is paladine" stuff also doesnt matter too

[feral fulcrum]

Fizban is intentionally a weirdo, the gods being hilariously easy to trick and trap is entirely on them all being incredibly stupid.

[umbral girder]

My favorite bit was reading Dragonborn origins.

[severe rampart]

is Bahamut the strongest god?

[fossil hollow]

Theyre always just referred to their Kynn names, Takhisis and Paladine

[fossil hollow]

nah

[rough basalt]

My favorite species origin is something I came up with for my world.

The origin of Kobolds

[umbral girder]

“A dragon made them!”
“A god made them!”
“A wizard made them!”

Meanwhile Bahamut who is a Dragon, Wizard, God:

[severe rampart]

Lady of Pain?

[rough basalt]

Lady of Pain is the strongest entity in the multiverse

[fossil hollow]

She is not a god, that much is for sure

[hot marlin]

In theory he has 30 strength, which... You know, is just the maximum in that game and makes him equal in strength to plenty of things

[feral fulcrum]

We Ignore Lady of Pain

Lady of Pain isn't even really a GOd

[fossil hollow]

and thats just his avatars

[feral fulcrum]

She's more of a Thing

[umbral girder]

To quote what people said about the Lady of Pain.

“Of course she isn’t a God. If she was that would make her killable.”

[hot marlin]

The Lady of Pain also can't leave Sigil.

[fossil hollow]

Unless he has 30 STR also in his Demigods and Deities statblock

does he appear in that book?

[storm magnet]

Can a rabid mange ridden bear be mistaken for a monster?

[rough basalt]

Probably

[fossil hollow]

Monster is a subjective term

[sick sierra]

if a rabid mange ridden bear stood in front of you, what would you think

[rough basalt]

Being rapid and mange its basically a monster

[hot marlin]

He does, let me open my copy

[umbral girder]

“That’s a rabid, mange ridden bear.”

[storm magnet]

I’d think it’s one of those hyena dudes

[fossil hollow]

Someone who commits murders and a giant ship sinking octopus are both often called monsters

[sick sierra]

I'd personally try to pet it

[fossil hollow]

The term is subjective

[severe rampart]

Expeditious Retreat

[feral fulcrum]

A bear missing huge chunks of hair, in a killing frenzy, could certainly be mistaken for some mutant undead Bear of doom

[hot marlin]

53 strength in Deities and Demigods, not bad

[fossil hollow]

oh damn, forgot 3.5 was built different

[umbral girder]

“That’s an Eberron Bear!”

[storm magnet]

Could it be mistaken for those bipedal hyena monsters

[severe rampart]

How strong is Baphomet relatively to other deities?

[hot marlin]

Divine rank 10.

[feral fulcrum]

Quite strong

[umbral girder]

It changes by setting

[fossil hollow]

hes not one

[umbral girder]

Also Baphomet isn’t a god yeah.

[hot marlin]

Compare to Corellon, who scores a whooping divine rank 19

[umbral girder]

Bahamut is tho.

[feral fulcrum]

Misread that as Bahamut

[severe rampart]

I mispoke, yeah, I forgot the english word for "Really strong being"

[hot marlin]

Though Corellon has "only" 30 strength

[fossil hollow]

He's worshipped as one often, but hes not a deity

[fossil hollow]

isnt he a DEX guy

[storm magnet]

Is he transcendent

[umbral girder]

Yeah Worship ≠ Godhood

[hot marlin]

Yeah. 44 strength.

[feral fulcrum]

There's not really a specific word for that

[umbral girder]

The example of this is Vlaakith. Highly worshipped and most definitely not a god

[severe rampart]

Yeah so it's easier to say Deity, though a bit inaccurate

[hot marlin]

Actually, if we use the rules given to us in third edition, demon lords are considered to be divine rank 0 gods.

So the lowest rank of gods, but still gods

[umbral girder]

Until 5e’s Second Sundering undid all of that

[feral fulcrum]

Can we get a Third Sundering and go Full Neon Genesis Evangellion?

[umbral girder]

AO just grabs all the gods and says “we are leaving” for the third sundering

[storm magnet]

Can a vampire be a nice bartender?

[odd valley]

don’t see why not

[storm magnet]

Do vampires still have taste even

Beibg undead an all

[hot marlin]

I'm not sure D&D could really handle the themes of sexual exploitation and destroyed childhood that are at the center of Evangelion

[round mountain]

Are they immortal? I don't see why a Vampire wouldn't be a quiet, stoic bartender for the hell of it

[umbral girder]

Yeah vampires still have biology similar to a regular person in lore

[fossil hollow]

insert chair

[hot marlin]

Vampires are among the only undead who still need to eat and drink, so probably

[fossil hollow]

Also, yeah, Vampires can still take poison damage too

[feral fulcrum]

Well Vampires are basically just X Species, but undead, with added powers and weaknesses, so, yeah?

[fossil hollow]

Your vampire could listerally just been a bartender before vampirism

[storm magnet]

What drink would a vampire recommend? A Bloody Mary?

[hot marlin]

Being a bartender mostly requires patience, dexterity and the ability to memorize cocktails.

[fossil hollow]

No, that would be too on the nose

[hot marlin]

And patience. Lots and lots of patience

[umbral girder]

Personally I like having a Revenant as a Bartender

[feral fulcrum]

The same a bartender would reccomend if they were not a Vampire?

[fossil hollow]

and vamps can wait a long time

[feral fulcrum]

Like litteraly nothing changes about Bartending if you're a Vampire or not?

[fossil hollow]

Gotta wait for that particular bottle to ripen

[umbral girder]

So when people ask why the Revenant is a bartender you can say “Vengeance doesn’t pay the bills”

[fossil hollow]

how much money do they earn in the year they get??

[umbral girder]

Enough for the bills

[round mountain]

Yeah , being a vampire doesn't instantly mean you'll be rich with a castle. I just realized that

[storm magnet]

Can a hag be a bartender

[round mountain]

There's some 9-5 vamps out there

[umbral girder]

Being a vampire means easy mind control and spawn for a lot of cash

[storm magnet]

I like monster bartenders

[fossil hollow]

Youre asking the wrong questions, you need to ask why would they be

[feral fulcrum]

And alot of Vampire Hunters, and pitchforks and torches

[umbral girder]

Why work when you can have spawn, thralls, and familiars do it for you? Easy money.

[hot marlin]

Species has really no bearing on one's ability to bartend

[fossil hollow]

The answer is literally the same for any monster, why would a monster be or not be a bartender

[round mountain]

Yeah I don't think I'd tip a mindflayer

[hot marlin]

As long as you're sapient and have opposable thumbs, you can learn to bartend

[feral fulcrum]

ANything with arms and a brain can be a bartender.

[round mountain]

Personally

[sick sierra]

why not

[storm magnet]

What if there was a giant competition where every monster species had to bartend

[feral fulcrum]

And anything without arms, and telekinesis, and a brain, can also be a Bartender

[round mountain]

They might flay my mind

[hot marlin]

Species cannot bartend, only individuals can be a bartender

[fossil hollow]

stares at Large Luigi

[hot marlin]

If an entire species decides to become bartenders, that's kind of a disaster

[storm magnet]

Individuals of each species

[hot marlin]

Which individuals?

[storm magnet]

Chosen for their bartending prowess

[round mountain]

Ok, well, what species would be the best at bartending.

[hot marlin]

Well, come back when you've made a statblock for each of the competitors

[feral fulcrum]

Elves

Racial Memory is OP for it

[severe rampart]

Dwarves

[feral fulcrum]

Ten Thousand year old cocktail recipes lost to time with a Trance

[fossil hollow]

Lemme just grab my great grandpa's memories real quick

[umbral girder]

Elves do got that Assassin Creed memories

[storm magnet]

I wonder if demons have to spicy cocktails

[round mountain]

Imma go with thri-kreen. They can make 2-3 drinks at once

[feral fulcrum]

Demons in general are a bit lacking in Civilized things

[severe rampart]

I feel like it wouldn't affect them

[severe rampart]

What matters more, the quality of the drink or the quantity?

[fossil hollow]

Id think Grazzt has a room full of the most exotic drinks

[severe rampart]

Wait guys... Warforged

[round mountain]

Mathematically accurate drinks

[severe rampart]

Warforged built specifically to create the best cocktails at the fastest pace

we've solved it

[umbral girder]

Can’t taste

[round mountain]

Wouldn't he be a Drinkforged

[feral fulcrum]

It's noted rather specifficaly Grazzt is more like a Devil, then a Demon.

[severe rampart]

give it a tongue

[fossil hollow]

Still a demon tho

[umbral girder]

Dragons would be great at drinks probably

[prime pewter]

Ima talk to my dm about this, but what are some ideas for a druids star map?

[feral fulcrum]

And the infinite multitudes that are very much not like him point to a general disinclination to making drinks 😛

[umbral girder]

In fact a Dragon whose hoard is the entire bar.

[severe rampart]

who says he would give away his stock

[fossil hollow]

like for flavor? One of those light globes that projects the night sky

[umbral girder]

It gets him bigger and more expensive stock and gold

Plus doesn’t have to be an evil dragon

[limber trail]

A spectral orrery is always fun

[round mountain]

Would you take a drink from a plasmoid, what if their goop is in it

[fossil hollow]

only if they buy me dinner too

[round mountain]

Oh my

[humble cairn]

My Star Druid had a paper lantern suspended from a handle. The design painted on the lantern changed for different effects.

[woven flint]

Well, demons aren't completely INCAPABLE of acting or being Civil, they just give into their chaotic urges more often than not

[severe rampart]

this is discrimination against the oozes

[umbral girder]

Grung time

[round mountain]

Keep some gloves on goo boy

[fossil hollow]

eyo

[severe rampart]

Would you not take a drink from a human? what if their hair is in it? see how it sounds? smh /j

[limber trail]

Demons do have organized society. There are hierarchies. There are demon armies. Demons build cities and palaces. They just work a little differently to the material plane

[feral fulcrum]

Indeed.

[fossil hollow]

With demons, its jsut Strength above all

[humble cairn]

I learned a new word the other day that I want to use as the name for a Plasmoid: Deliquesce.

[prime pewter]

Yessss it also fits with one of his goals to free a powerful-but-childish being. Ill work with my dm on it

[hot marlin]

Where there are lords, there is a society. There are demon lords

Whether or not this society is to your liking does not disqualify it from being a society

[feral fulcrum]

With a side order of insanity on occasion.

[fossil hollow]

Whenever the sky or astronomy is involved, i always try to invoke a sense of childish wonder

[woven flint]

And Demons do go out of their way to manipulate mortals as much as they can rather than just... killing them all the time

[fossil hollow]

even if sometimes what they do manipulate is their arms, legs, eyes, mouth. Before they die

[hot marlin]

All political power is derived from strength and the threat of its application.

Demons are not unique in that regard

[feral fulcrum]

They are unique for generally defaulting to violent murder. And picking an eternal war with an infinitely respawning foe

[fossil hollow]

theyre essentially just a tyranny aint it?

Is anarchy a type of society?

[humble cairn]

Demons are the infinitely respawning ones, aren't they? Isn't it Devils that are on the other side of the Blood War?

[feral fulcrum]

I don't think there's much of a coherent society among the majority of Demons

[feral fulcrum]

Don't Devils also just reform in the Hells too?

[hot marlin]

Of course. As long as you have more than two people who organize themselves in any way, you have a society

[fossil hollow]

Celestials and Fiends generally spawn again if killed outside of their home plane

[odd valley]

it’s mainly strength is law

[humble cairn]

Oh it's that kind of respawning you're talking about.

[woven flint]

If Demons decided to just... lock in one day, the Blood War would be over and so would the multiverse, I feels
They just..
Can't lmao

[fossil hollow]

Ah, yeah, there area in infinite number of demons always being born yeah

[humble cairn]

I was thinking about the Abyss and how it just churns demons out of pure chaos.

[fossil hollow]

yeah, never ending new supply of em aside from the reforming ones

[humble cairn]

Whereas Devils rely on new souls being funneled into their pyramid scheme.

[hot marlin]

The Abyss is infinite. There is an infinite number of demons. There is also an infinite number of demons who may not even know what a devil is.

Any fraction of an infinite set is also infinite.

[fossil hollow]

One day ill set lord Tharizdun free from his roiling prison to remake the world back to its elemental state

[atomic moat]

but if each plane is infinite then we are dealing with different degrees of infinity. And of course we don't know whether the abyss is really infinite or just has more planes than we can currently count.

[hot marlin]

It is true that being certain that something is infinite is impossible

[humble cairn]

Effectively infinite is just as good as truly infinite for the purposes of a story.

[woven flint]

There's so many different types of Demons too
you've got: Obyriths (The first of demon kind)

The Tanar'ri (The majority, also the ones typically born simultaneously)

and
Loumara (immaterial beings that possess people/ other creatures)

[round mountain]

Isn't the infinite abyss pretty silly though? Like I recall reading that the deeper you go, the worse the layer is. How can something get infinitely bad.

[fossil hollow]

Its not like anyone is gonna map out the abyss in its entirety

[limber trail]

Isn't the fun in finding out?

[fossil hollow]

The thing is, its not exact layers either. We call it layers for simplicity

[humble cairn]

How indeed? Would you like to be the explorer to find out?

[round mountain]

Maybe for a few layers

[fossil hollow]

Theyre all not exactly on top of each other

[hot marlin]

By getting infinitely worse. It's not that complex. It always finds a way to get slightly worse, and you must simply admit that there is an infinity of ways things can get worse

[round mountain]

Very wise way to put this

[fossil hollow]

Every worse fear, every primal terror, in any combination, it exists in the abyss

[limber trail]

It doesn't need to be infinitely awful, it just needs to be a little worse than the last layer

[fossil hollow]

and its not just humans' fears and terrors either

[hot marlin]

Sometimes there is no need to get new things, just a new way to combine them

[woven flint]

Rest in peace to my big dog Obox-ob, got slimed out in the Dawn War (He's still alive)

[tight olive]

Hi, sorry to interrupt you, but does anyone have the Monster manual 2024?

[hot marlin]

Lots of people do have the Monster Manual 2024

[tight olive]

i n srr

[round mountain]

I'll go to the abyss and find a friend to play halo 2 with

[fossil hollow]

Elves with their long lives, gods with their never ending punishments and prisons

The fact that Lolth is one of the many gods in the Abyss means shes already making so many different ways to kill you in the Demonwebs

[hot marlin]

There is one layer of the abyss where a bunch of celestials have been trapped. The magic prevents them from leaving. They live there, have children there. They built an entire society, fortified there, and keep trying to survive the sadistic assault of a certain demon whose name is better not pronounced

[humble cairn]

Shar probably knows many secret ways to just make existence worse.

[round mountain]

I wish they had more info on Oberyths (I think that's how it's spelled)

[hot marlin]

Obyriths*

[round mountain]

Thank you!

[hot marlin]

And we do have info on them.

[woven flint]

I bet you those demons just can't WAIT to feast on celestial flesh

[fossil hollow]

Are they celestials? Or Fey? Also, isnt that the one that the White Lady trapped?

[humble cairn]

For beings of chaos, people sure like to try and classify them.

[round mountain]

It's a bit sporadic.

[hot marlin]

There is Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss, but mostly there is 4e

[fossil hollow]

I slightly remember that story being about eladrin/elven creatures

[hot marlin]

Eladrins. But this lore is from 3rd edition, so "eladrin" means "celestials from the chaotic good plane, as opposed to archons who are from the lawful good one"

[limber trail]

Speaking of awesome and terrible stuff in the abyss, ||Layer 628 of the abyss in my setting contains a vault which holds essentially the gods' nuclear football. It's a chipped fragment of a spine of a tarrasque, which when placed where it was chipped from, will awaken the beast and crush the world flat. It's guarded by their most loyal and devout servants and an army of demons they've conjured to protect it against the designs of the devils.|| (players dearest you may not bear witness to the secrets that lie beyond)

[humble cairn]

If it were up to me, no demons would actually fit the descriptions Tanar'ri, Obyrith, etc.

[fossil hollow]

Whats the name of the demonlord who also is on Baphomets? The one they call Mother of Demons?

[fossil hollow]

627

[hot marlin]

The one whose name is better not pronounced.

But you may refer to Her as Pale Night.

[limber trail]

Okay it is now layer 628

[fossil hollow]

thank you, i need to really plan that oneshot

[woven flint]

I LOVE Obyriths, primordial sludge babies

[hot marlin]

I find that the base concept of Obyrith was done better by Pathfinder I must say

[woven flint]

Pathfinder fixes this moment