dnd-discussion

[woven flint]

Maybe the Gnome could be a War Cleric, because thats one of Urdlens other domains

[livid owl]

Ohohoho...

[desert pebble]

i need help finding maps of chult and waterdeep where would i get those with out getting a viruse

[sage granite]

@desert pebble have you checked DMs Guild?

[crimson gulch]

Waterdeep dragon heist and the tomb of anhilliation books have them

[desert pebble]

thanks

[chrome yoke]

I’m helping a player joining my budding campaign to make a level 7 barbarian, and we saw the Tasha’s optional abilities primal knowledge and instinctual pounce. How do these work? Are either or both generally allowed? Do they replace other features? Are they too good so only choose one or none?

I get they are listed as optional, but do most dms generally allow this and to what degree?

[desert pebble]

where can i find a world map of forgotton realms

[wind dawn]

Ello

[lavish flame]

That one is pretty difficult to come by, we recently got the Atlas of Faerun, which covers most of the continent of Faerun. An actual map of Toril is really not easy. The best I've got is https://forgottenmaps.web.app/map/Toril

The only issue with that is... it might or might not have entire continents that you're looking for

[median harbor]

3 crits today with my level 17 rogue ranger for a total of 192 damage in 3 arrows 🥴

[jolly agate]

Banning Chaotic neutral and Chaotic evil should be a red-flag right?

I mean it looks like one

[sacred bone]

banning evil alignments is understandable, even Adventurer's League does it

[woven flint]

I think it comes from misinterpretation of how those alignments ACTUALLY function

Banning Chaotic Neutral is kinda weird imo

[meager fractal]

I mean yeah but also can understand why they'd want to

[severe fox]

i just played a game with foundery and oml is it amazing

[feral fulcrum]

I think Chaotic Evil's definitely earned it's reputation as a red flag.

[woven flint]

It has.. because of people's "understanding" of the alignment

I've played a Chaotic Evil character.
But he wasn't a psychopathic murderhobo like most people think they were.

He believed the fundemtals of society should be destroyed and that everyone should live as the beast they place themselves higher than
He was an Evil Druid

He was a nutcase for certain, though

[atomic moat]

Honestly if you are playing a game in the same time period as WOTC is producing content for the only part of the Forgotten Realms that isn't a century out of date is Faerun, everything else the best we know is whether it still exists or not for major landmasses (which is only a question because the spell plague and 2nd sundering brought huge geological changes).

Actually now that I think about it the only areas not in the Sword Coast that have 5E adventures attached to them is Chult, Calimshan, the Moonshae Isles, the Dalelands, a portion of the Underdark and I guess Icewind Dale isn't technically part of the Sword Coast.

[worn crow]

Most of the time I just slap "choatic neutral" on my characters or "chaotic good" simply because.. I dunno what to do with that. Personalities, actions and thoughts are so varied and grey toned that you can't just slap a vague label on them and expect it to fit. So any DM that bans choatic neutral would have to ban me in general lol. I don't care enough about the strict alignment system to attempt to label my guys any other way

[tough sandal]

Yeah, alignment is meant to be a summary of your character's personality. The last step when you decide character actions.

[worn crow]

Still so vague. I just like playing goodie goodies who don't mind a lil crime every now and then as long as it doesn't harm innocents lol

[woven flint]

I always play decent people tbh

[severe rampart]

not outright evil, but can do evil acts within reason

[short brook]

I can't play evil characters, I feel icky

[past edge]

Hey yall how's everyone doing?

[severe rampart]

if the setting and campaign called for it, I'd be evil

[woven flint]

Maglubiyet when he kills the rest of the Goblinoid Pantheon because he wants order
Fella is so smart indeed

[short brook]

Well yeah, but that's different

if I had the freedom to make any character it wouldn't be evil

[lavish flame]

I run games almost exclusively for heroes and thus make characters that are almost exclusively heroes

[short brook]

Good aligned is more my jam

[severe rampart]

Yeah, same

[woven flint]

I've played three evil characters.
All three had ability to be reasoned and spoken with
Even the Chaotic Evil Druid who wanted society to crumble

[short brook]

Usually chaotic because laws are for chumps

[past edge]

I like neutral good the best

[severe rampart]

Lawful Good-Chaotic Neutral is the range for me

[short brook]

yeah, same

[past edge]

Off topic question, do warforged have a god/religion specific to their race?

Like how gnomes have Garl Glittergold and dragons have Bahamut/Tiamat?

[woven flint]

I've got
A Chaotic Good (Drow Celestial Warlock)
A Lawful Good (Dragonborn Fighter)
A Neutral Good (Tortle Cleric)
A Lawful Neutral (Warforged Puglist
A Chaotic Neutral (Bugbear Ranger)
And A Neutral (Air Genasi Artificer)
as my current range lol

[woven flint]

Not really, no

Warforged don't have their own dieties as a species

they have a "Godlike" figure in the Lord of Blades, but he's still a Mortal Being that can be destroyed and not all Warforged follow him because he's evil and wants to kill all organics.

[past edge]

I've been thinking about piecing together a homebrew campaign that revolves around the inception of the warforged, but I wasn't sure if they had a deity. Might have to put something together for that as well

[woven flint]

In Eberron in particular, some have fallen into worship of the Church of the Silver Flame

[lavish flame]

Eh, between the Lord of Blades and The Becoming God I feel like Qarforged do have unique religions, just not gods

[woven flint]

Warforged are pretty much able to intergrate into any religion that accepts them

[amber glacier]

poop fart funcle

[lavish flame]

Eberron is a setting that doesn't really have confirmed gods, so there aren't like Creator Deities

[woven flint]

"During their years as soldiers, warforged were rarely educated in religion so that they could be sold to anyone regardless of the buyer's religious beliefs. In recent years, however, the warforged have learned of religion, but few embrace it. Many see worshiping a deity to be identical to working for a master who never gives a command. Still, a few warforged seek out the meaning of their existence and turn to religion for answers. Being the dominant religion in Khorvaire, many warforged worship the Sovereign Host though many also turn to the Silver Flame and other religions. Warforged prove themselves to be useful to their religions and can take up the role of paladin or cleric."

"Some warforged in the Mournland have founded a new religion following the Becoming God. These warforged search the ruins of Cyre to build a body capable of housing their god."

[lavish flame]

I absolutely love The Becoming God conceptually

[past edge]

My main reason for asking is the matter of their sentience. The campaign I'm working on heavily revolves around the moral debate of whether or not they have a place in society, whether or not they have souls, and whether or not their souls (or lack thereof) would be accepted into an afterlife of any particular deity

[woven flint]

The becoming god, however is something completely made up by warforged.

they were created by House Cannith, but some believe it was the Becoming God

[woven flint]

Warforged are just as sentient and capable as any humanoid race, yes

[lavish flame]

Mechanics wise, they have souls full stop (this matters for high level Resurrection magic mostly), and Eberron has their souls doing the right business upon death

If its your setting its up to you, but traditionally they are as Person a people can get

[atomic kayak]

Warforged, generally speaking, tend to lose a lot of their well. Everything. When removed from their setting

[past edge]

Well of course, but assuming their origin is homebrew rather than the canon, it would be a new and frightening thought for those who believe in the potency and authenticity of the human soul

[lavish flame]

Yeah, even their name stops making sense

[atomic kayak]

And thats even before the huge disservices commonly done to them by being reduced to just "robots"

[past edge]

Perhaps I'll just assume the mechanics of warforged then, and call them something else

[woven flint]

Indeed, its difficult to move them to other settings without incoperating their lore from Eberron because it removes a ton of their nuance as a species

Lemme look at what it says about Warforged in the forgottem realms

[lavish flame]

Fairs, also consider looking at the Autognome for a different take on Constructed Person. Usually people just call Warforged something involving Golems or Automatons in their homebrew settings.

[woven flint]

A whole bunch of Vague shit lol

[past edge]

Appreciated. This might be the play lol. I suppose since it's the primary example of sentient automata in the dnd scope, it was the first one I thought of. But the idea of the campaign more revolves around sentient machines rather than Warforged specifically.

[lavish flame]

Yeah, Forgotten Realms sorta has a Warforged analogue in the Magens, but those aren't playable species and don't come with nearly as much written baggage

[past edge]

I gotta come up with a name for this race of robots now though. Any suggestions? I would like for it to keep with the theme of fantasy, but naturally with incorporated mechanical jargon

Like Gearhearts or something like that

[empty thicket]

Mechanicus

[lavish flame]

"Golemkin" like how lesser Giants are called Giantkin could be nice

[past edge]

Already a solid choice right away

[woven flint]

Actually, Starfinder might be an interesting place to look
They have this species called SRO's (Sentient Robotic Organisms)

[lavish flame]

I'm not gonna beat around any bushes: Android, Cyborg, and Robot are all very reasonable names for a constructed person

[severe rampart]

That's inhumane! 🥁

[lavish flame]

A D&D setting does not have Earth's preconceptions about what a Cyborg or Android or Robot is

[past edge]

True, but on the subject of beating, these names are all basically a dead horse lmao

[humble cairn]

Cogfolk, Created, Metalborn?

[empty thicket]

Some could call the robot "Bloodless" too

[severe rampart]

feel like it should be Metalforged, they aren't really born

[woven flint]

Or just call them Clankers... (joking)

[empty thicket]

or a whole kind of creatures, those that arent "natural"

[humble cairn]

But what would they call themselves? Because naming yourself after something you don't have seems odd.

[lavish flame]

Crucible Kind

[severe rampart]

Human named Human

[past edge]

I'm sure those who don't believe in the validity of the soul might use a term like "bloodless" or "soulless" as a slur, it's still worth jotting down

[woven flint]

hmmm...
could call them
Machinations

[humble cairn]

Then I would change it to Metalborne. Their souls are borne upon the metal.

[lavish flame]

Yeah, notably we didn't name ourselfs "Un-Gilled"

[empty thicket]

me being a bot i feel totally offended by your words, im sending you a weekly rickroll Gmail and you will never know when its real or not. || Jk ||

[past edge]

This is what a fish person would call a human they didn't like lol

[empty thicket]

yeah, that could work too

[lavish flame]

New Kuo-Toa villain just dropped

[humble cairn]

@past edge what'd you think of one of these?

[severe rampart]

"Featherless Bipeds"

[woven flint]

Easy, call them Cybertronians ... /silly

[past edge]

I've written them down in my notes app, I like them a lot

[lavish flame]

I'm trying to figure out how to incorporate "Clockwork" into a name

[woven flint]

Cogsworth

[past edge]

Perhaps the lower strata of their society could be called "Clockworkers"

[severe rampart]

Tokii seems very creative at naming android species

[lavish flame]

No like for the species, I figure clockwork stuff would be a reasonable place to go for "Metal Guy"

[humble cairn]

Clockwerken. The W pronouced like a V. "We are the Clockwerken."

[woven flint]

Ahh, Clockwerken sounds too easy to make fun of

[humble cairn]

Does it?

[lavish flame]

I imagine a colloquialism for them might be "Tin man". Maybe people feel complicated ways about that phrase

[woven flint]

.. Clocktwerkin...

[hidden spindle]

First thing that came to mind was that

[humble cairn]

Didn't occur to me, but you still have to pronounce the W like V.

[past edge]

I think since it relies on German etymology, less roleplay oriented players might feel awkward saying it too

And the bards of the group would get busy with the puns, like "I hope his Clock's werkin"

[glass granite]

I like Clockwerken

[woven flint]

I'd call a race of Robotic individuals
The Sentinels ...
but that could be seen as an X-men refrerenced lol

[humble cairn]

And the very serious Clockwerken would tilt their heads and not get it.

[severe rampart]

I would hope it does

[empty thicket]

Sentinels, made to take down casters

[lavish flame]

Maybe people call this species' brain a Clock

[empty thicket]

Made to take down Sorcerers mostly

[humble cairn]

Would it look better to folks to spell it Clockverken?

[woven flint]

I think Clockverken looks too... messy.. so-to-say?

[humble cairn]

Since that's how it should be pronounced?

[woven flint]

It doesn't look like it goes together at all

[humble cairn]

Say it with a German accent.

[woven flint]

Yeah, I did. it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, though

[humble cairn]

I dunno, it works for me.

[past edge]

If you were German it would, but alas

[lavish flame]

Oh yeah, maybe looking into what the purpose behind making them was could also help. Warforged got their name due to Eberron's Last War. If they were made to do leadership, maybe they're "Desbots" yknow.

[past edge]

DESBOTS HAH

[lavish flame]

What were they made for

[lavish flame]

me when I'm Barbie

[humble cairn]

Steamrisen, Voltaics? Depending on how they work.

[woven flint]

Automatari?

Automated individuals

[warm shore]

Come to think of it

[woven flint]

Autobots /silly

[warm shore]

How can robots even do magic?

[lavish flame]

Oh maybe they have a governmental name that most people abbreviate, I rock with it

[lavish flame]

how can Humans?

[humble cairn]

Why wouldn't they be able to?

[past edge]

I was thinking they'd operate like AI in the beginning, asking lots of questions and having a general curiosity for how the world works. As for how they're made, clockwork/steampunk strikes me as most appropriate.

[empty thicket]

Macfar (MAChine oF wAR)

[warm shore]

Fair point, I guess I’ve just never really pictured them doing it lol

[woven flint]

Most constructed creatures in the realms are made with magic

[severe rampart]

If you're gonna build robots why are you not gonna let them do magic

[past edge]

The individual worldviews of each one would likely just be a reflection of the way they're treated or what they were taught

[lavish flame]

One of the Golems famously inflicts Slowness on its targets

[woven flint]

The Golariam?

[humble cairn]

Maybe they have different "models" and some of them are Clockwerken or Cogfolk, some of them Steamrisen?

[lavish flame]

This is what I was thinking too. Like they might not have an agreed upon title

[past edge]

Genius

[severe rampart]

I like that they don't all identify with only one name

[past edge]

Some may choose to not abide by labels at all

[woven flint]

I.. personally don't mess with the names
Cogfolk feels generic and its like calling cat people "catfolk"
It feels ... unsinpired, no offense

[lavish flame]

I'm sure when Humans and Neanderthals were coexisting, there was not a consensus on what to call either being from either side

[warm shore]

What even are the conditions for being able to do magic in DnD? Can anyone pick it up if they just study it?

[severe rampart]

"I think, I am, I have no need for the labels that others bestow upon me, for I simply am."

[warm shore]

Aside from all the bloodline abilities and stuff

[past edge]

I AM, I AM

[warm shore]

With sorcerers and whatnot

[humble cairn]

As a whole perhaps they are The Created, or if they are all metallic maybe the Metalborne.

[crystal trail]

Sorry to bug everyone. Reading through everything, just looking to be streamlined to set up a homebrew DnD campaign?

[severe rampart]

"There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word ‘hate’ were engraved on each nano-angstrom of those hundreds of MILLIONS of miles, it would not equal one, one billionth of the hate I feel for humans at this micro instant."

[crystal trail]

Again, reading through the stuff here. Sorry if it's explained and I haven't read it yet!

[warm shore]

Now that I think about it, robot mages do sound cool af. They don’t age, their ability to process and handle information is better, and that’s on top of being immune to a lot of conditions

[lavish flame]

There's like a lot of conditions by which one can acquire magic. Bards do it via music and the Words of Creation. Clerics do it via faith to a god or pantheon or philosophy. Druids do it via their connection to aspects of the natural world. Warlocks make a bargain with an otherworldly being to acquire their magic. Wizards dedicate their lives to study to learn magic.

[past edge]

I think The Created makes the most sense, due to the primary conflict of the campaign being that a soul that is created is not worthy of equality or even of relevance in the afterlife. Some people may believe they have no place in the pantheon, being abominations like undead and fiends

[woven flint]

Magic was Created by Mystra and she gave mortals the ability to use it..
Some are just more gifted than others and actually pursue the use of it, it seems

[past edge]

Heavens forbid one is made of porcelain instead of metal and now he has to have an identity crisis because he isn't actually "metalborne"

[warm shore]

Is there any pre req for being a wizard then? Or is it a thing where wizards are born with something that let them do magic, or have the potential to do magic? Cause most of the others seem like they’re drawing magic from external things rather than themselves

[severe rampart]

No you're thinking of sorcerers

[woven flint]

Wizard study magic to be able to understand how to use it \

[warm shore]

Damn there’s gotta be a crazy amount of wizards in canon then lol, I never thought bout it like that

[empty thicket]

wizard in concept is, anyone can achieve magic with knowledge

[woven flint]

Sorcerers are born with innate ability

[humble cairn]

Gender would be an interesting topic as well. Would the Created adopt gender as a cultural thing?

[severe rampart]

yes, and a lot of liches that birthed from those wizards

[woven flint]

Clerics and Warlocks get magic from other beings or through commitment sometimes in Clerics case.

[empty thicket]

Wizard and Artificers are like the nerds classess

[past edge]

I think most of them would operate outside of gender norms entirely, with a few scant exceptions being those who find comfort in identity

[woven flint]

I sorta don't understand how Bards create and use magic although it stems from the Words of Power, but hey, there they are.

[severe rampart]

Because Bards are just awesome like that

[woven flint]

Bards are... kinda boring imho

[humble cairn]

Pure Inspiration!

[empty thicket]

Bards and Paladins magic is weird

one is Will and another is..."charisma"(?)

[severe rampart]

How dare thee! Heresy!

[severe rampart]

they're both Charisma

[remote wadi]

Can someone explain the big difference between a Paladin subclassing into Sorcerer vs Warlock and the benefits of each?

[woven flint]

Bards seem to practice magic like they would any art.
So,perhaps its just like learning how to do so like wizards do.

[severe rampart]

multiclassing you mean? and how big of a level dip?

[humble cairn]

Bardic magic bridges the skill of arcane magic with the connection of divine magic and rides that ineffable waveform of pure creativity that birthed all of reality.

[severe rampart]

Valor, Eloquence, Dance, Lore, I love Bards!

[empty thicket]

yeah but like, Paladin magic could be seems like its his will on his oath

[remote wadi]

Multiclass, my bad. And it'll be after pally hits level 7. 6 if the aura is meh or not great situationally

[humble cairn]

There is skill and knowledge to the arts, but there is also an element of sheer intuitive inspiration that mere book learning can never encapsulate.

[lavish flame]

One of them hates the other players and one of them hates the DM

[severe rampart]

Warlock would probably better if you're only taking one level, Sorcerers don't even get metamagic at level 1

[lavish flame]

Warlock does get Invocations at level 1, so thats pretty sweet

[severe rampart]

yeah

[humble cairn]

A true artist touches that illogical, intuitive, mystic side of reality through a connection to the source of all creation.

[remote wadi]

I'm saying there will be several levels into the multiclass. How much isn't certain, just that it'll be all remaining levels into that after a certain pally level reached

[severe rampart]

also they get Eldritch Blast!

[woven flint]

Anyway, while an interesting question, I don't think there are any real prerequisites for someone to be a magic user besides the want to be able to learn how.

[empty thicket]

level 2 give you 3 invocations tho

[severe rampart]

Warlock, still definitely

[woven flint]

some people can just be magically inept, it doesn't come naturally to everyone

[past edge]

I think the idea behind a bard's ability to use magic and it being based on charisma is that magic exists in the world already, and it's up to the individual to know how to extract it. Sorcerers have innate access to it, wizards study for years to learn how to draw upon it, warlocks take pacts with higher (or lower) entities to use it, and bards use the arts to realize what they see in their heads. I'd go so far as to say that bards shouldn't be limited to just musicians. I think they should be dancers, poets, artists, singers, even cooks. Any form of expression that is drawn from inspiration I think is what makes a bard a bard

[severe rampart]

You can use charisma for your weapon attacks if you take an invocation (I don't remember if the same applies to Paladin already?)

[woven flint]

it takes honing and fine practice to access the weave

[lavish flame]

all this to do 1d4 psychic damage and heal 1d4 health

[warm shore]

Why do wizards bother becoming liches when spells like clone exist? Theres gotta be easier and less terrible ways of getting immortality through magic, no? Dont druids and oath of the ancients eventually get something like that?

[severe rampart]

hey now, that's only 2014

[humble cairn]

And so much more!

[lavish flame]

real

[severe rampart]

Because Liches are cool

Hell, I'm planning for my bard to turn into a lich

[warm shore]

Ain’t they undead rotting corpses that are still sentient

[empty thicket]

oh btw, rangers and druid magic is from nature, so it mean they should reach a connection or awareness of it that let them manipulate that magic

[severe rampart]

they stay alive through their Phylacteries where they imprison souls in

[woven flint]

Its just a thing that happens.
Cloning oneself takes a LOT of gold over time.
Becoming a Lich is just a long process

[remote wadi]

Hmmmm

[past edge]

Bards = inspiration
Paladins = conviction
Wizards = dedication
Sorcerers = circumstance (lol)
Warlocks = transaction

[remote wadi]

As much as i hate to say it, I'll go Sorcerer multiclass instead of Warlock. Wild Magic >>>

[warm shore]

Being a lich just seems so sad to me 😭 immortality kinda sucks if you’re a shriveled up corpse and people try to kill you on sight

[woven flint]

Liches are typically horrible people anyway lol

[feral fulcrum]

It also requires quite a bit of your own flesh, so also probably Regeneration or heavy duty healing potions.

[severe rampart]

have you seen Vecna?

[warm shore]

Nope

[woven flint]

That too!

There's no Logic in becoming a lich realistically, but people who want to strive to godhood or ultimate power sometimes will.

[severe rampart]

Wonder if there are good liches

[lavish flame]

So... thats like a legit concern where the fiction and mechanics of the game are incongruous. There's many ways for a PC to become immortal while remaining alive. This makes the fiction surrounding Vampires and Liches very weird because they're both supposed to be powerful individuals who sought longevity in life and turned to undeath. Your Wizard PC doesn't need to do this, they can just cast Magic Jar or Clone or Simulacrum and be mostly fine.

The answer to this is... the fiction and the mechanics are sometimes at odds. Its yucky but what can ya do.

[past edge]

I think the closest thing to a good lich is an insane/chaotic one. No telling what those guys will do, which means, sometimes, they might not act COMPLETELY evil lol

[woven flint]

Archliches are a type of good lich, apparently?...

"Archliches were a type of lich that was good and noble, both in life and undeath. They could be of any type of spellcaster—including wizards, bards or clerics—and devoted their existence to whatever noble purpose motivated their transformation into lichdom."

[lavish flame]

All the stuff about Demilich, Archlich, and Lich names makes my head hurt

[past edge]

I would have expected that, if their cause was just, they'd depart to the afterlife and become something greater under the will of whichever god they serve

[humble cairn]

I mean the Baelnorn are kind of that.

[woven flint]

My assumption is that becoming an Archlich has different methods than becoming a regular lich

[past edge]

Unless that's exactly what an archlich is

[humble cairn]

Elves that decided to just keep living to help their community. https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Baelnorn

[lavish flame]

We've got a few kinds of good liches. Archliches are sometimes good liches (and other times, a title a lich gives themself to sound cooler). The Baelnorn are Elvish Liches that are mostly pretty chill. Eberron has Elvish Liches that became Liches through Positive Energy-based magic instead of Negative Energy-based magic, so they're also chillers.

[past edge]

New idea for an npc: Extremely elderly elf lady who just does nice things for people but would die if you pushed her over

[woven flint]

this for Archliches as well:
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Archlich

[humble cairn]

Ahh yes, The Undying Court.

[signal imp]

I have a question for everyone in your dnd session. Dose your character go to the bathroom at all?

[empty thicket]

in short rests and long rests, yeah

basic needs

[past edge]

I don't usually roleplay this bit lol. "Dm I don't mean to interrupt, but when was the last time my character took a piss?"

[humble cairn]

No

[lavish flame]

In my Eberron game, I am 1 of 2 PCs that still needs to use the bathroom. I'm a Tiefling in a party with a Human, Warforged, and Reborn

[woven flint]

Uh, realistically yeah, but its never mentioned because... well.. nobody wants to roleplay it lol, its just gross

Oh wrong ping

[past edge]

If I get up from the table to use the restroom irl I might say something in character like "one moment guys I need to relieve myself" as a joke

[lavish flame]

In my experience, the bathroom exists in D&D as an easy excuse to leave any conversation.

[severe rampart]

I don't... explore this element of roleplay

[empty thicket]

dont worry, its understood
But yeah, unless the DM want to do a funny of you going to do your bath need and being ambushed by some creature

[lavish flame]

Yeah this is a level above me

[empty thicket]

Or taking a bath in a lake and it seems the water is moving

[severe rampart]

hey DM how is my water intake affecting my character right now? does he need to go any time soon?

[past edge]

"Hm.. This water is weird. Wait. A WATER WEIRD!"

[empty thicket]

i usually carry a waterskin and drink water when im drinking and say "cheers" too, just for the jajas

[prime basin]

Or like percival taking a bath in a hot spring before being interrupted by a half-elf rogue

[lavish flame]

Yeah there's just some stuff you sorta handwave. Aragorn and Frodo don't have a scene in which they stop for a smoke break or to take a dump in the woods. We can assume they do so, but thats just something we handwave away

[prime basin]

Nah they held it in until the war was over

[feral fulcrum]

If I had a Nickel for every time that questions been asked this month, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't alot, but's really weird it's happened twice.

[past edge]

Guess you could call it number two

[prime basin]

IP ban this individual

[empty thicket]

400 baboons.

[past edge]

👁️👄👁️

[empty thicket]

half of them will be in rage (rabid)

in any way, such things dont are taken in consideration, some could take meals//food in consideration but others not so much

[remote wadi]

Why does Discord always jump to messages like these?

[lavish flame]

I figure meals can be standard, most people are fine with roleplaying a hungover breakfast or a profoundly terrible dinner or whatever

[empty thicket]

if meal system is added, there is a bunch lot of homebrew content about it

[severe rampart]

F-f-f-fireball!

[past edge]

I actually do like role-playing the survival aspects of travel like rations and temperature

[woven flint]

Just a general answer for questions like this in the future, anything preceived as completely evil has at LEAST one or two outliers (or more) in the multiverse who aren't completely evil, wether it be undead, fiends, aberrations, etc
There will always be at LEAST one individual who is good amongst these because alignment isn't ALWAYS universal for entire species or type of creature

[lavish flame]

Yeah, in D&D when there's a rule, there's also exceptions to that rule

[severe rampart]

nice little foraging roleplay before fighting the boss of the session

[severe rampart]

*except for when there isn't (ba dum tiss)

[empty thicket]

50 less....Run.

[woven flint]

There's a Raksasha (Fiend) that lives in the city of Waterdeep.
He works as a private detective for them and actually has a deep cating for the people that live there, even to his own surprise

[severe rampart]

Cartomancer

[past edge]

I remember I had a player forage some berries in a one-shot I ran, and I made up some Willy Wonka type berries where the flavor profile depended on the color. Red was spicy, green was bitter, yellow was sweet, etc.

[severe rampart]

oh yeah, and blue turned you into that big blueberry person

[past edge]

Wish I'd thought of that

[woven flint]

He's still considered an "Evil" being, but he is capable of love and compassion and would even protect Waterdeep with his entire being if he had to

[empty thicket]

i want someday to do a campaign a bit survival, like The Long Dark kinda

[severe rampart]

I love how brutal curse of strahd can be, but also sometimes it's not as brutal and I have to take the steering wheel

[past edge]

Travel often gets shortened, or just straight up overlooked in my experience. I'd like if it got more of a spotlight role in the campaigns I participated in. I feel like all the interesting stuff happens on the road

[prime basin]

So brutal that a vampire may suck you dry

[severe rampart]

... as a bard, I'm keeping my mouth shut so that I don't get bonked by the mods

[prime basin]

As a paladin, I of course meant blood

[woven flint]

There's an Arcanaloth that runs a Shop in Sigil as well!
Sigil has such a fun variety of creatures living in it
Celestials, Fiends, Regular damn people, and many more different creatures, they all behave themselves though because they know the Lady of Pain can destroy them in their entierty

[severe rampart]

So I rolled up the random encounters and thought "this is way too easy", so I got a custom statblock for it

[prime basin]

Such is the way of dnd 5e

[severe rampart]

yeah, if I didn't and they just oneshot it or killed it in one round it's like a... the metaphor of the rock under a wheel

a bump in the road?

[woven flint]

i believe her name is "Helena Aren"?

[severe rampart]

if they killed it in one round it would just seem insignificant and a nuisance, like it just delayed the story for no reason

[prime basin]

a puddle in the highway

[severe rampart]

a rock in their shoe? no rocks are annoying

[prime basin]

a rock in the intestines

[severe rampart]

that's the custom statblock

[prime basin]

oh sorry

[severe rampart]

I wanna simulate the fight between the mini boss and my players but I don't know if there are any tools for that

[prime basin]

could just use a VTT if you use that

if you don’t use VTT just take into account their stats, how the players usually fight, and what your mini bosses stats are

[feral fulcrum]

Thankfully in my earlier D&D session today (Or technically yesterday because past midnight), we succesfully dispersed a crowd of paranoid Militia with the powers of words and shaming them.

[tepid fiber]

where do i go for talking about the specific powers of a god or godlike entity

[feral fulcrum]

If your'e drawing from recent edition lore, here. if it's mostly or entirely old lore, #dnd-elder-editions

[tepid fiber]

its homebrew 100% This god isnt really your traditional DND god its more like a metaphysical mind bending entity that is neither alive or dead

[feral fulcrum]

Or maybe technically #dnd-lore - Ah homebrew, then if just general discussion, here is fine, for getting into the nitty gritty, #homebrew

[severe rampart]

I definitely could, if I wanted to, too lazy right now though

[tepid fiber]

so basicly this god is basicly a living story and has ability to fictionalize people

[severe rampart]

weird but it's like I want a pokemon-style battle system for it 😭

[tepid fiber]

as in when you fall victim to this god you will no longer exist in your known timeline. and the only way people will remember you is through memories that may or may not be true. hence fiction

and the very essence of this god only exists in the brains of other people as a story or memories or thoughts and other stuff

[feral fulcrum]

Very False Hydra Adjecent

[tepid fiber]

the best way i could describe this god is well irl gods.

irl gods are not 100% proven to exist but their effect is shown through the minds of people

the will of their gods and their gods personalities are carried out and described through the collective consciousness of an orginisation aka a religion

how do i put this. The god is responsible for creating many different stories around the world and his goal is to create stories and fictionalize real people and make stories out of them for some unknown goal

[stuck shuttle]

This seems like a good topic for #dm-world-building then! I’m curious to know how this god presents in your setting, especially if there are also other, more tangible gods

[abstract raptor]

Love being bored at work lol

[cedar lion]

Genuine question and this might be the wrong place to put this if so please point me in the right direction

if you have experience with this how have or do you draw in players who do not enjoy playing dnd online into a majority online campaign not like irredeemable hate the game if its not IRL but its hard for them to get into it like the other players, looking for some advice because this is a game with some close friends in our limited free time and i want them to love it and i cant quite just kick them out

[severe rampart]

Not all good friends are good D&D friends, communicate with them about that, say that "hey, I notice you're less engaged in the game, is there any reason for that?"

if you do get a reason you could work on it together

if they genuinely just don't like D&D, it's better to let them go

[still plover]

What puts them off about playing online?

[thick void]

How would you feel about another player making you role play in order to recieve benefits from their Musician or Inspiring Leader Feats?
I'm thinking about playing a Monk who meditates during rest times and if you meditate with him you'll recieve the buffs he has to give. And I mean, the player places meditation bells on the table and if you match his breathing and chime the bell in unison with him he gives you Heroic Inspiration.

And here's the kicker, He's "selectively mute". He can talk, he's just very selective as to when he chooses to. So the other players have to figure out what they have to do to participate.

[hidden spindle]

I wouldn't mind just sitting in silence

[cedar lion]

I think they enjoy the tactile feeling of playing in person

[cedar lion]

A sad truth

[still plover]

Are they going to explain what they're doing at all or just pop themselves down and get the bells out?

[still plover]

Difficult. My only suggestion is to use more background images than battlemaps, include pics of the NPCs or creatures in the scene, make mood boards of the places they go.

[static nest]

what class/subclass have somethings with bugs/insects? i thought of Circle of Spores, bcs i thought Circle of spores is bugs, do u think the mecancis of it would make sens if insted it would be swarm of bugs?

[hidden spindle]

Swarmkeeper Ranger

Warlock has like one Invocation of Cloak of Flies

[static nest]

that i knew

[hidden spindle]

You could probably reflavor Spores to be bugs. That'd be awesome

[static nest]

tnx, i will chk it

[hidden spindle]

It'd be best to bring it up to the dm or table

[static nest]

the idea is a Warforged that is beehive

[static nest]

it looks like this is it, but i will try to see if i can make reflavor Circle of Spores in a way i would like it

[still plover]

Yeah, spores looks like it could work. Magical bees, but sure.

[static nest]

it defently looks like it could work

[paper portal]

what dnd module would yall recommend for like a super difficult dungeon crawl

[severe rampart]

Tomb of Annihilation? I heard it's like that

[paper portal]

ive heard ToA is apparently mostly traps with less combat than most dungeons but i havent played it myself

[mighty wharf]

So we left the session today off with the city guards coming after us due to some conspiracy going on, it's probably going to be an attempt to capture us

I'm trying to think of a way to escape the pursuit as a level 8 Arti-Wizard

We're in a palace-mansion sort of place btw.

I have 3 ideas:
-Fog Cloud scroll and book it through the fog
-Save myself and broom of flying the hell out of there
-Polymorph into a T-Rex, have my party members hop on, and just smash through the wall and run away with 50ft movespeed

What are our votes on?

[static nest]

if i would multiclass ranger and druid the efect of what class i start with will be what pro saves i will have and if i have pro in Herbalism kit, right?

[static nest]

and what is probbely better?

[paper portal]

druid has the better saves

dex is the weakest of the three major saves, with con being better for casters and wis being better for martials

[hollow hawk]

hey, how would you guys deal with a player who had AI write his character backstory?
we agreed on a strict no-AI game; he does not admit it but it is VERY obvious

[static nest]

ok, tnx

[static nest]

how would u rank all 6 saves?

[paper portal]

id confront him about it and if he refuses the change it kick him out

if a player is willing to break a strict rule you agreed on before the campaign even starts thats a big sign theyre gonna continue being a problem player

[paper portal]

con > wis > dex > int = cha > str

the different between int and cha is kinda interesting cus generally charisma saves are more common but monsters that force int saves tend to come in big groups

so if you see one youre probably gonna see a lot more throughout the campaign

[static nest]

so defently start with druid, tnx

[paper portal]

pretty much, wis saves are fantastic

you could definitely say theyre better than con tbh, theyre definitely more broadly applicable but the characters that need con saves REALLY need con saves

anyone with important concentration spells, which is gonna be most casters

losing concentration on a spell really sucks

[static nest]

i think u missworte

the characters that need con saves REALLY need con saves
so the need or REALLY need?

[hollow hawk]

yeah, a kick ain’t really a solution, it would probably break the group since the players are really good friends.. I was looking for a different solution that I missed to see, but thanks

[static nest]

oh, u worte REALLY , i read it rarely😂

[limpid raptor]

I made spin in dnd

From jojo

[mighty wharf]

Or:
I polymorph my character into a rat, our paladin and monk go into the bag of holding and breathe for 5 minutes (Monk could possibly last longer), and halfling carries us all on the broom of flying which we fly away with

Actually that seems like a horrible idea. A singular arrow or firebolt could kill me as a rat, and if they hit the bag of holding that's basically a TPK

[marble lion]

You would turn into a person, not die, so if you fly low youd live, dm might even let you crash slowly together instead of you falling straight

The bag.... i dont think a magical bag dies from one arrow hmm?

[mighty wharf]

Idk, it doesn't exactly have hitpoints does it?

I know magic items are sturdy though

[hot gate]

Very fun question!

It's unlikely but possible that a bag of holding could rupture from a single arrow.

They only differ from normal objects in that magic items have resistance against damage. The exceptions are artifacts, which can be destroyed only in some special way
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/magic-items#MagicItemResilience

As for how many hp an object has, it depends on size. A bag is either tiny or small and probably resiliant due to its make. So that's 10 hp in the best case. It's resistant against damage, so 20 damage would be needed to rupture it.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/rules-glossary#BreakingObjects

[static nest]

what would u say is better, Warforged or Autognome ?

[hot gate]

Better for what?

[static nest]

idk exactly... i wonder what best for my living be hive idea
but i basically would like help to comper them mechanicly

[paper portal]

from a combat perspective warforged is stronger but you should just pick whichever you think is cooler tbh

[hot gate]

Hmm, warforged has sentrys rest (you not needing to sleep during a long rest), which feels pretty appropriate for a hive. The two are otherwise pretty similar.

Actuall, both have sentrys rest, go figure

So it basically depends on the minutae of their individual features. Warfoged gives you more ac on the higher end with armor, while autognome is better protected without armor.

[limber apex]

do we usually have any idea what feats we’ll get in a new book or is it just subclasses

[limber apex]

for a hivemind, I would probably say Autognome, they seem much more communal than Warforged

[static nest]

• Armored Casing Vs Integrated Protection
• Mechanical Nature Vs Constructed Resilience (Autognome have also ADV to paralyzed)
• Sentry’s Rest Vs Sentry’s Rest (the same?)
• Specialized Design Vs Specialized Design (2 tools VS skill and tool)
  and Autognome have also Built for Success & Healing Machine

[limber apex]

and if they all have Mending, they can heal each other very quickly

did I misunderstand the question?

[hot gate]

The Horrors Within? I don't think we have any information about it yet tbh. It's sounds more like a DM book than a player book (so think settings and adventures). We did have a horror subclasses UA a while back, so that's why its assumed that they will be in there.

[static nest]

oh, it not like that, i mean it a 1 creeacher who is a hive, the structure

[limber apex]

yeah, but the number of subclasses we got UAs for in Horror is pretty sizable, I just thought it would also have some feats

but fair enough

[limber apex]

ah, I see, well I would say both work fine for that idea

[hot gate]

Don't get me wrong, I'd love some more feats too
Some new origin feats suited to those settings could be neat as well.

And I'm a sucker for specialized mundane equipment.

[umbral girder]

There will be but we don’t have exact details. I believe I’ve seen it floating around the Van Ritchen’s Guide Dark Gifts will become origin feats

[limber apex]

I think origin feats at least would be very nice to get, idm if a DM book didn’t have general feats

[hot gate]

It would definitely be a product that appeals to more people.

[tender pier]

Man its so hard to come up with unique dark Lords for my DnD world

Especially trying to make them interesting in each of their aspects from character to their armies

Any tips please?

(Oh btw its serious world/campaign btw)

[glass granite]

I’ve always just gone with a seven deadly sins flavoured lords

[hot gate]

We do have a channel just for worldbuilding if you haven't seen: #dm-world-building

[glass granite]

Vampire army for gluttony, an army specialising with flame and explosions for wrath, one full of espionage and sabotage for lust, the list goes on. And #dm-world-building would fit better.

[limber apex]

I would actually love that, I’m building a character for something happening after June, and it feels like there just aren’t enough Origin feats in the game

[umbral girder]

Yeah Heroes in Faerun, Forge of the Artificer, and the Player’s Handbook are the only origin feats sources we got

[limber apex]

the PHB origin feats are too general and Heroes of Faerun are way too specific

Eberron’s ones don’t run in all campaigns

[feral fulcrum]

Armies are not a thing parties typically have to care about.

5E is very much not geared to mass combat.

[tender pier]

Oh I know that channel, i thought i was allowed to ask for quick tips

[limber apex]

there are some 3rd party systems for mass combat

I never ran any of them, so I wouldn’t know if any are good

[feral fulcrum]

And I doubt they're particuarly good.

[hot gate]

Oh I didn't mean to tell you not to do this, but I thought maybe you didn't know about it. All good then.

[limber apex]

I usually just run a skill challenge and strategizing session and then play it out narratively

by “usually” I mean I did this twice in my whole life

[glass granite]

I have them complete important objectives

[hot gate]

I don't run large scale stuff at the table, but I've heard good things about the dragonlance boardgame that was tied into the campaign.

[feral fulcrum]

I forgot WOTC made that thing

[limber apex]

yeah, that too, but if I run that, I usually just have them ignore the rest of the clash

[glass granite]

One was defeating a general with a powerful artifact, one time was destroying artillery, one time I did interceptions supply lines.

I then dally up points depending on how difficult the task was and if it passes a satisfactory number the army wins.

[feral fulcrum]

My group helped takeover a Nation, but it was more of a "Gank a bunch of Vampires that are secretly taking over before they complete a ritual to lock the gods out of the Nation entirely, and possibly cause an Inter-godal war as old bindings and promises take hold." Sort of deal. More clearing the path for a Princess to take over.

[paper portal]

hi chat

[umbral girder]

Mass Combat so far is only the Mob rules in the DMG. Besides that maaaaybe swarms? Not much in total.

[tender pier]

Question to dms
What are some of the most insane (~~ more like normal~~) things your party did in your campain/world

[still plover]

As previously (on armies):
"You're either trading rolls with endless enemies, or you're being adventurous heroes who will tip the balance through cunning and daring actions at key moments.

One of these is entertaining to me. The other not so much."

[hot gate]

They recently defeated a vampire. It turned into mist to escape, as vampires do.

One of the players made a high strength check to breathe in as hard as he could, breathing in the entire vampire mist cloud. He then succeeded on another check to exhale the vampire into an empty potion bottle. Portable vampire.

[umbral girder]

That’s how you get the Vampiric Mist stat block

[tender pier]

Sounds like they could use that vampire to make a Villain vs Villain situation

(or do some BS and when that person takes dmg there is a chance the potion breaks)

[hot gate]

They'll come up against Strahd soon, so if he manages to charm one of them he might just order them to pop the cork on that bottle.

[umbral girder]

Giving Kas the Sword of Kas

So world ending foolery

[agile hemlock]

Sword of Gas

Allows you to cast Gaseous Form on yourself at will while you hold it

[tawdry sentinel]

Makes people fart when you do damage to them.

[agile hemlock]

Sword of Bass

+10 damage against fish

Sword of Mass

The sword deals more damage the more massive you are, so basically the Weight section of your sheet is actually useful here

[short brook]

I wish battle master was base class, it's so weird for it to be it's own subclass imo

[paper portal]

iirc they added that in the 5.5e ua and people got mad for some reason

[agile hemlock]

I think in the earliest versions of 5e, superiority dice were intrinsic to Fighter as a class

[short brook]

Why 😭 that's wack

[agile hemlock]

What I think could’ve happened is the fear of bloat. If they were trying to simplify the sheer whirlwind of stuff from 3.5e, even 4e, they probably needed to hedge here and there. As a result, seemingly great ideas were cast aside as subclass features or eternally stuck in UA territory.

[short brook]

I guess, I just dislike the base class+ subclasses

[agile hemlock]

And I think what substantiates the idea is… Star Wars 5e. That conversion tries to do a lot for what 5e is at its core, and it’s entertaining but certainly a lot to track

Even fighting styles have entire bullet points of stuff you could do if you wanted

For me personally, I love a bunch of stuff. It makes choosing kinda hard but at least you get a more solid picture of what they want you to do

[short brook]

Yeah for sure

[agile hemlock]

It’s why I like Wizard. Sorta dry in features, but soooo many spells

And Sorcerer, since spells + metamagic

[paper portal]

no the only reason people play wizard is because theyre filthy metagamers who want the best class /silly

[agile hemlock]

I also play Wizard because people are strangely averse to fielding the realm of pure or almost pure magic and so I get to square it away, alone

Cleric is also a soft second for me

It’s Wizard = Sorcerer > Cleric = Ranger > Pretty much everything else

[short brook]

woah woah

barbarian >

[agile hemlock]

I like my magicks

[short brook]

I like being a brick

I love strongarming every encounter

[agile hemlock]

Honestly, I have no strong opinions about the other classes. I think the only class I truly dislike playing is maybe… Fighter? But that’s just minor annoyance, not like “this sucks.”

Druid is also there because of their spell list. You get some real banger spells being either a Cleric or a Wizard.

[short brook]

It's harder to do on the other classes, my last session i popped raged and rolled intimidation with str. It's so peak for me

I only like running Battle Master for Fighter, I love playing physically able clases personally. Relying on magics cheapens it for me (if i'm not playing a spellcaster)

[agile hemlock]

There’s unfortunately never a true balance between magic and martial. I love Pathfinder 2e to death but that just flipped the issue kinda.

Fighters blend things up bad

[short brook]

Haven't played PF, Martials are better than Casters there?

[agile hemlock]

Specifically 2e

There’s a lot more balancing to the point where some of the antiquated ways spell slots are used really grinds the breadth of magic

For example - prepped casters work like older editions of D&D and 1e still, where you prepare spells like ammo; you need the same spell prepped to do it that many times in a day

This was somewhat rectified in 1e due to the ability to obtain extra spell slots depending on your spellcasting ability score

But that is not seen in 2e

The way they have things structured means that a Fighter is actually… deadly

They’re intrinsically more accurate with most weapons, even more so with a specific category of their choice

[short brook]

That's cool, I wish Fighters were loved in 5e.

[glass granite]

I like monks

[short brook]

they're just aight

same, my pfp is a monk/barb my two favorite classes

[glass granite]

My top two are probably monks and bards

But monks are my clear favourite

[short brook]

Monks are just such a cool fantasy to live, same with Barbarians.

I was so happy with 2024 Monk, they're such a cool class

[glass granite]

I find that barbarian’s fantasy can be much more easily replicated with other classes than monk, because monks are far and away the best class for unarmed fighting

[short brook]

For sure, but being unarmored walls of muscle is hard to completely match

[glass granite]

Monk with the tough feat gets pretty close

[short brook]

Oh yeah, that's why they're right up there for me

My first barbarian was a totem barb Goliath, with Brawny and Bear Aspect. So I counted like 3 sizes larger than I actually was

[tender pier]

Sword of kas?

[umbral girder]

Artifact tier magic item in the DMG that was used the heavily wound a god.

[tender pier]

Oh alright

Sounds dope, probably will want to add it but I need it to make sense for my world

[umbral girder]

It’s what cut off the Eye and Hand off of Vecna and became tier own Artifacts

Considering Kas and Vecna are Multiversal beings it wouldn’t be too hard to just have it show up

[lost flicker]

Anyone here have any ideas or know any resources for randomizing one shots?

I need a one session adventure to run this monday, I can write anything I just need something to start with

[umbral girder]

Considering you need 1-5 encounters and a premise it’s not that hard.

The DMG 2024 has a bunch of premises you could roll up

Also has 4 one shots in it too and maps

[tender pier]

I mean that my world has little to no knowledge of vecna nor kas nor any original DnD god (though I did take the creatures from the original one)

But thx though

[umbral girder]

Tbh that is perfect for those two

God of secrets and his betrayer after all

Being not known is their source of power

[tender pier]

Oh right, I should read more original dnd lore I only got focused on the rules and system of dnd

[umbral girder]

Yeah the DMG 2024 has a paragraph on each of them and other people in the back of the book.

[dim wasp]

Y not just put a bunch of things onto a wheel and spin it

[lost flicker]

what do I

put on the wheel

[dim wasp]

Monsters and NPCs

And quests and whatever else u need to run the campaign

[lost flicker]

do you remember which chapter?

[umbral girder]

Chapter 4 “Creating Adventures”

Has adventure premises for all 4 tiers of play.

[still plover]

Check out the Five Room Dungeon method or One Page Adventures, they can help.

[still plover]

Situation, location, opposition, complication.

[hoary totem]

The strixhaven subclasses be like: POV: your classmates can raise the dead, create massive fireballs, summon angels and demons, and turn illusions real, and you're stuck doing math

[umbral girder]

The true sorcery

I still love the needlessly difficult Archhag weaknesses

What do you mean a Castle inside of an Egg? How does one get that?

A flower that only blooms during time stop, or snow from the Top of Mount Celestia (there is no snow there)

Or the most impossible one “A piece of the Lady of Pain’s robe”

[dim wasp]

What's an archhag

[umbral girder]

An immortal super Hag

[feral fulcrum]

The Legendary Super Hag

[umbral girder]

Same challenge rating as a Lich

In the 2025 Monster Manual

[dim wasp]

And why is getting a piece of the lady of pains robe so hard?

[umbral girder]

Well considering getting close to her has her splitting all of your atoms on the spot it’s kinda hard

[dim wasp]

Castle inside of an egg is god knows what

[umbral girder]

A few gods tried poking her and their colossal corpses float around the Lady’s city

Gotta love the rules on fighting the Lady of Pain

Rule 1: You drop to 1 hp in extreme pain for trying.

Rule 2: You tried again so tear up/delete your character sheet. Nothing is saving them.

Straight from the Planescape box set

[shrewd jetty]

?????

wth is that character

[umbral girder]

I love the video game about playing an Immortal character, but you can still die if you anger the Lady.

[plucky elk]

Heya, best weapon for an Aasimar Life Cleric? Currently using the mace

[glass granite]

2014 or 2024?

[plucky elk]

14

[paper portal]

halberd or glaive

theyre made much better by polearm master but even without it are some of the highest damage weapons and reach is crazy good

[short brook]

Lady of Pain is a cool name

[glass granite]

Mace is your best option I think, cuz you’re not proficient in martial weapons I think. Or maybe spear

[plucky elk]

I'm only proficient in simple

[plucky elk]

Yeah only simple

[paper portal]

ah i forgot lol yeah martial weapons are exclusive to some subs

[plucky elk]

Yeahhh bit of a pain but I am a life cleric so makes sense. Think I may see that I can get magical wise for either mace or spear, I'll ask DM next session haha

[paper portal]

quarterstaves are the next best but thats again because of polearm master, otherwise theres not much difference between weapons tbh

[glass granite]

Any benefit of quarterstaff over a spear?

[paper portal]

its a better damage type

spear for thrown is valid too

other reason quarterstaves are great is cus they can be used as foci but that doesnt apply to clerics

[plucky elk]

Ahhh fair

I had a really fun session yesterday where my DM did this really cool moment for me where I "unlocked" my Aasimar divine powers by blasting all the enemies with a large ray of radiance

But then I got held by a Mind Flayer and now have a tadpole in my head

[serene jolt]

Tough luck

My Drakewarden ranger's drake touched a cursed object and is now corrupted, his essence mixed in with fiend blood. (No I can't get rid of it by resummoning it).

It's kinda cool, the drake is buffed but it can lose control at random moments with a failed Wis save (for a turn)

[plucky elk]

Oh damn

[serene jolt]

I honestly love it. It's gonna be really interesting in combat.

[plucky elk]

Luckily my tadpole is a slow one so I've got 6months before it'll take over, so we're traveling to a place between the universe to see if we can rid it

But I'm also hoping I get something cool from it while it's in me

[serene jolt]

Oh cool

I hope you get the telepathy/telekinetic feat or something for free. That'd be dope

[plucky elk]

My character had such a traumatic session, they also found out that the god they worshipped is dead

[plucky elk]

Yeah I really hope so

[serene jolt]

I love when DMs go above and beyond into character development.

[plucky elk]

Yeah same, I knew that this was gonna happen as my previous character from a one shot did kinda kill that God, but it was cool to finally see it all come together properly and give myself some character development

[static nest]

someone know how can i easily sort spells (1st level at the moment) between those only druids have, those only rangers have and those both have😅 ?

[paper portal]

@loud tendon sorry for the ping but uhh might need to ban this one

[static nest]

that so wired the account been here for months....

[paper portal]

probably only just got hacked

[still plover]

For next time, it's long press the message, go to Apps, Alert Mods.

[glass granite]

You can alert the mods by going to-
Mr smith bet me to it

[paper portal]

oh huh cool

[static nest]

thought so, but there was no other messages from that acount

[worn lagoon]

my entire table started making warlock pacts two sessions into the campaign. only one person didn't dip warlock.

one person went from fighter to full warlock

[still plover]

How did that look in the game? They find some way of contacting powerful entities, or tomes of forbidden knowledge to research?

[worn lagoon]

They're all in avernus, so finding a devil to pact with easier done than said

[still plover]

I guess every devil has their own agenda.

[marsh folio]

is there a channel to make a post in looking for a dm?

[random sphinx]

My group warlock has decided to leave the campaign, very sad

[paper portal]

ill sign up to replace them /silly

[random sphinx]

Heck yeah :3

He's hexblade, and his character wrote in his contract that when he dies he explodes into a massive inferno 😭

[paper portal]

ah im sure the dm can find a very safe and not explosive way to write him out of the story

[plucky sentinel]

dont you hate it when you meet a red wagon on the road and it starts breathing fire and you have to roll initiative
and at turn 3 the wagon flies away

[lyric viper]

darn wed dwagons.

[serene jolt]

An entire party of warlocks surprisingly sounds kinda effective.

As long as you have at least one celestial warlock for that yummy healing

Or have a lot of potions on hand 🤣

[random sphinx]

Nah, it's fine, we're cool with the bomb :3

Healing is always very useful

I play cleric, so I know very well :3

[cobalt owl]

Bomb?

Skadoosh

[olive scroll]

Need some advise for eldritch invocations i am using great old one subclass and my current setup is:

• Agonizing blast
• Repelling blast
• Eldritch spear
• pact of the blade
• eldritch smite

I plan on getting the rest of the invocations for pact of the blade later on as well as the pact of the chain ones.

Does anyone have any good advise? My pact weapon is a scythe that does 7d6 damage but also deals 10 damage to myself per attack thats why i havent taken the multiple attack ones yet

I do plan on swapping eldritch spear soon because no maps are ever big enought to use it

[worn lagoon]

where is your thirsting blade

ok i finished reading it now
take it anyway

[olive scroll]

Alright

[worn lagoon]

i would swap eldritch spear for something like one with shadows

EB has great range already, you dont need more unless youre doing phantom steed funny nonsense

[raw nymph]

I am sorry if this has been adressed before but I am still new (please escort me to proper channel also if this isn't the right one. A lot of people put in the "searching for players" channel that you need to have dnd beyond vtt, is this something that is payed for or does it just come on the app? sorry again if this is a dumb question

[sleek cloud]

oh NO

[stiff rock]

Dndbeyond's VTT is free but iirc it has some premium-locked features. I think it may only be available on the website version of ddb though

[worn lagoon]

its fiiiine, one very dubious god is awarding the paladin with a talking sword i'm sure the hexblade level will have no longterm consequences

[raw nymph]

Thank-you. I am nervous about joining a game and just want to check out all the websites people are saying they use for their games

[cobalt owl]

Warlock dip go brrrr

[sleek cloud]

What’s your ratio on using eldritch blast vs your weapon

[cobalt owl]

2 levels into warlock is a good dip in 24 with all the lessons of the first ones

[sleek cloud]

I’m a celestial warlock in an avernus campaign

It’s rough out there

[worn lagoon]

fellow avernus campaign runner

[olive scroll]

Eldritch blast way more than melee weapon

[static nest]

there a spell that swarm?

[still plover]

Here are the free rules: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/free-rules

If you work up your initial character concepts using those you'll be fine.

[sleek cloud]

What’s the rest of the party

[olive scroll]

A monk and a wizard

[worn lagoon]

insect plague

[sleek cloud]

What spells did you pick out

[static nest]

tnx. i meant to the beasts

[worn lagoon]

uh

[harsh dragon]

So I have a player who does not understand positioning in combat. On multiple occasions, he has moved his character to stand right in between enemies without realizing what a bad move that is. Not only is he letting more enemies attack him, it also block casters from landing AoE spells. Is there a good youtube video that explains these basic positioning tactics that I can show him?

[olive scroll]

I have:

• Eldritch blast
• Frostbite
• Minor illusion
• Arms of hadar
• Hellish rebuke
• Hex
• Witch Bolt
• Mind Spike
• Summon undead
• Vampiric touch

[sleek cloud]

Do you find yourself using the concentration ones a lot

[olive scroll]

Except for witch bolt and mind spike yes

[tender pier]

Yo question to dms

What are the various militaries of your world are inspired from (in terms of asthetic of your militaries of your dnd worle)

[worn lagoon]

Force him to play bg3, he can't not visualize 5e positioning then

[worn lagoon]

Mongoliannnnn

[tender pier]

Oh nice, the most used asthetic I have is Teutonic knights along with Ancient china

[worn lagoon]

nice

[worn lagoon]

get hunger of hadar and hypnotic pattern, goated spells

i love hadar so much its unreal

[tender pier]

I'd try and get some photos, but my drawing skills are uhh... not optimal at best described

[olive scroll]

Hunger of hadar is one from the subclass spell list i use i just forgot to mention those

[worn lagoon]

oh yeah GOO gets it for free

[sleek cloud]

I’d possibly consider eldritch mind if you don’t plan on getting warcaster or fiendish vigor will negate that 10 damage at least one time, and its unlimited usage, but it’s an action to cast in combat.

If that weapon didn’t do such crazy damage I’d say just to drop that entirely and think about picking up some of the other spicy invocations like one with shadows or any good options from lessons of the first ones

[olive scroll]

Warcaster was the next feat i planned going for

[sleek cloud]

7d6 per attack on a lvl 5 character is crazy, even with taking 10 damage

Thats a good choice

What’s your lvl 4 one anyways

[worn lagoon]

booming blade oppurtunity attacks coming up

war caster's impossible to live without for me

[olive scroll]

First feat i picked was skill master was still a total noob back then

[sleek cloud]

war caster is an s tier feat

[worn lagoon]

it happens, i used to take metamagic adept first

[sleek cloud]

Skill masters still a fine feat, not one I’d take early on but it’s not a waste by any means

[worn lagoon]

first two feats matter the most

[sleek cloud]

I’m assuming you’re probably the face of the group too since charisma

[olive scroll]

Well my persuasion is +11 because of it lol

[sleek cloud]

Good

[olive scroll]

Btw i had this one case where i was on a smaller solo mission to wipe out a group of goblins and they were all crowded on a small area combat lasted one round

Hunger of hadar rules

[sleek cloud]

That’ll do it alright

[serene jolt]

I dunno if you're 5e or 5.5e but Tasha's Hideous Laughter has been my go-to spell for my warlock from level 3 to 10 so far.

[olive scroll]

Also on great old one spell list

[serene jolt]

I have even preferred it over Hypnotic most of the time because enemies cannot 'shake them out of it'.

[olive scroll]

What does hypnotic pattern do btw?

[serene jolt]

The only downside is they can make the save later but it at least shuts things down for a turn or two which is enough to get some focus fire going and clear out the board.

[serene jolt]

It gives them incap if they fail the save but they do not break from it unless they're shaken out of it or take damage.

While Tasha's gives them incap and prone, and if they take damage, they can roll the save again at adv (but they don't auto break from it like Hypnotic)

And with the automatic upcasting, you can take out a few creatures at a time.

I've shut down entire encounters with that spell alone. Make sure your party is on the same page and focus fires.

[olive scroll]

My spell save DC is 19 btw so that wouldnt be an issue

[worn lagoon]

but tasha's gives a resave every turn and can target up to 5 enemies as a lock, that's not too great

[serene jolt]

That's even better

[serene jolt]

It's been absolutely game breaking for me.

Because they still have to make the save.

[worn lagoon]

well yeah if you're lucky

[serene jolt]

Then I must have been lucky for every encounter from level 3-10 because it has almost never not worked.

[worn lagoon]

hypno skips the save, if you simply manage to hypno everyone or kill/disable the possible shake-offers, the encounter is over

[worn lagoon]

pretty much

[serene jolt]

I've used that a few times and enemies will just use one attack to attack their ally and they're auto broken.

[worn lagoon]

that's a lot of saving throws being made every turn

[serene jolt]

When I used Tasha's, and people target, we've taken out things before the encounter became an issue

Especially with the help of silvery

[worn lagoon]

relying on the dm's forgetfulness is funny but i approve

[serene jolt]

No, the DM absolutely was rolling

[worn lagoon]

crazy unlucky saves huh

[serene jolt]

They roll on the monster's turn and if they take damage, they roll. But if you focus, it's fine.

They have to roll a 17+ (at least at this point).

And obv I pick and choose when I use the spell. If I'm fighting clearly wise creatures, I have other tricks up my sleeve.

[worn lagoon]

my sorc with 19 dc has been extremely funny with heightened hypnos

picking on the wisest thing with heightened and shutting down everyone else in one go

[olive scroll]

Is hypnotic pattern level 4 or 5?

[worn lagoon]

3

[serene jolt]

But I've used it almost every encounter on something or another.

[olive scroll]

Oh damn

[serene jolt]

I got rid of Hypnotic tbh. I never used it over Tasha's

[worn lagoon]

i don't use tasha's on warlocks, i take it on wizards

[serene jolt]

I may pick it up again as we get higher level but Idk. I think it has a lot to do with personal experience and preference.

I really love telling a joke before shutting everything down laughing xD

[worn lagoon]

way way too many saves for comfort even with my sky high dc

but its good for burning lrs i hear

[serene jolt]

I would have used it for that but we were fighting a dragon and I know they have to be pretty wise xD

[worn lagoon]

it depends

[versed eagle]

Hi how do I choose the animals that my druid can turn into on dnd beyond

[inner silo]

Are there any rules on damage a creature would take from something falling on them?

[knotty vine]

No it’s usually just the same for falling damage rules

1d6 per height fallen

[still plover]

You know four Beast forms for this feature, chosen from among Beast stat blocks that have a maximum Challenge Rating of 1/4 and that lack a Fly Speed (see “Animals” in “Monsters” for stat block options). The Rat, Riding Horse, Spider, and Wolf are recommended.

[inner silo]

Oki, thanks!

[versed eagle]

I don't know how to get to the menu to choose my known wildshapes

[knotty vine]

There isn’t one

[still plover]

I believe you just make a note.

[versed eagle]

I ment in beyond

Not on paper

[still plover]

Yes, in the Notes section. Be a good idea to link to the statblocks, too.

[versed eagle]

What's a statblock

[knotty vine]

Yeah beyond doesn’t have a thing to select your shapes

[versed eagle]

It did when I made my first druid

[knotty vine]

2014 or 2024?

[versed eagle]

2014

[knotty vine]

And what edition are you using now

[versed eagle]

2014

[knotty vine]

im not sure what you could be talking about then i havent seen anything like on dnd beyond

maybe the feature was removed

https://www.dndbeyond.com/classes/3-druid
im not seeing anything about selecting your wildshapes

[glad arch]

2014 druid can wildshape into any of their known forms, with knows forms being dm decides/beasts youve seen

So look at what beasts there are with the book youre playing with. Decide which of those forms you already know. Check if youre actually eligible for it because swim/fly speed is level blocked

[river vector]

going to unleash a revenant on my third level party today. It's been appropriately nerfed for such a party. Justification is "It's newly made"

[glad arch]

Statblock is where all the relevant information for a creature is listed, such as their stats/proficiencies/actions ext

[dense nacelle]

Alright I’ve got a question

Playing a rune knight fighter, and was wondering if my next feat at level 6 should be tough, defensive duelist, or mage slayer

[knotty vine]

2014 or 2024?

[dense nacelle]

2024

[knotty vine]

whats your wisdom look like

[tender pier]

Anyone here like the underdog or opportunistic type trope for both characters and nations?

[dense nacelle]

14 wis

13 dex

[knotty vine]

i hope your wearing armor for your sake

[dense nacelle]

I’ve got shield of faith from a thing, so my ac while buffed looks like 23,

I’ve got plate

[glad arch]

Plate, shield, shield of faith is 22 wheres the last one

[knotty vine]

fighting style

[dense nacelle]

Fighting style defense

[serene jolt]

The good part about having access to heavy armor

[sleek cloud]

Mage slayer

[dense nacelle]

20 str, wielding a rapier

[knotty vine]

why would you use a rapier with 20 strength?

[dense nacelle]

For defensive duelist

[serene jolt]

Longsword?

One handed long sword with a shield. Boost that defense, have a better one handed weapon.

[sleek cloud]

Maybe he likes vex

[dense nacelle]

They both can scale with str, rapier just has vex

[glad arch]

I mean you can still use strength

[knotty vine]

it needs to be a finesse weapon

[serene jolt]

Maybe. You're using a shield then?

[dense nacelle]

And defensive duelist needs a finesse weapon

[knotty vine]

weird change

[dense nacelle]

Yep

[serene jolt]

I don't remember plate armor ac xD

[knotty vine]

18 flat

[serene jolt]

It sounds fine then. What were you asking?

[dense nacelle]

Planning on getting a +1 shield for higher ac soon

[dense nacelle]

Tough, defensive duelist, or mage slayer

[serene jolt]

Oh I see your question. Do you take a lot of hits? Are you the only front liner? Do you fight against creatures with spellcasting often?

[dense nacelle]

This character is built to be a tank

[knotty vine]

your saves are kinda of an issue

[dense nacelle]

Yeah

Planning on taking resilient wis later

[knotty vine]

only +2 and wisdom and a +1 one in dex

lets hope whoever doesnt cast fireball with you caught in the middle

[sleek cloud]

Mage slayer still

[dense nacelle]

I’m resistant to fire damage

[plucky elk]

For a life Cleric, two hand spear, or one hand spear one hand shield?

[knotty vine]

im pretty sure dex is the second most common save in dnd

[sleek cloud]

You’re already tanky, but even still you’re gonna get hit sometimes. But saving throws can and will take you out if you fail. Gaining basically a legendary resistance per rest will get you serious mileage

[knotty vine]

but widsom save effects tend to me more.. grumesome

[glad arch]

Are you planning to play melee?

[sleek cloud]

Weapon and shield

[glad arch]

Could just take a shield and have a weapon on your waist, keep your hand free for spellcasting

[knotty vine]

warcaster is a nice feat

also it take an action to take out a weapon

[sleek cloud]

We were talking about that earlier, s tier

[glad arch]

That is the alternative if you would like to sword and board

[knotty vine]

or to "equip" a weapon

[plucky elk]

I guess more spell than melee at this point, depending on if I get any cool magic spear

[dense nacelle]

So y’all are saying I should take mage slayer for the legendary res

[sleek cloud]

I thought equipping/unequipping a weapon was a free action per turn

[dense nacelle]

It’s part of the attack action

[knotty vine]

where did you get that idea?

[sleek cloud]

Looks like it,yep

From the book

[knotty vine]

its an object interaction i guess

[dense nacelle]

It’s a full action to doff or don a shield

[knotty vine]

its cause a shield is armor

[sleek cloud]

Yeah shields are a different story

[glad arch]

Definitally take a shield imo, up to you whether you want to be always holding your spear in combat. If you do warcaster is probably a nice feat as mentioned

[dense nacelle]

Nah it states specifically that when you take the attack action you can in addition to attack, stow or wield a weapon that is equipped

Shields in dnd are so good

[knotty vine]

either that or an attack

or since your a cleric you can try to get your hand on that ruby of the war mage

which is just a warcaster but on your sheild

[dense nacelle]

Though as a life cleric you don’t really wanna be in the fray all that much

[knotty vine]

its a common item

[sleek cloud]

That’s also a solution

[plucky elk]

Okay thanks makes sense

[knotty vine]

dont lift clerics get heavy armor or im i thinking of a diffrent one

[dense nacelle]

I think that’s war clerics

[glad arch]

Life too

[plucky elk]

It's both

[dense nacelle]

Really?

[plucky elk]

Yeah

Or else I'm wearing the wrong armour haha

[glad arch]

2014 atleast, dont know if they updated it in 2024

[worn lagoon]

life war tempest all get it

[glad arch]

Twilight too

Quite a few clerics

[dense nacelle]

Eh, most life clerics I’ve seen that really pop off never get hit, they just sit back and make their allies invincible

[tender pier]

What's yall opinion on the Oppurtunistic or underdog trope of characters/nation

[sleek cloud]

Any cleric can choose between protector for heavy armor and martial wep proficiencies or thaumaturge for extra cantrip and skill stuff

[knotty vine]

dont care for them

[glad arch]

True but highet ac never hurts

[knotty vine]

oh right forgot they changed it

[glad arch]

Is that 2024?

[sleek cloud]

Yeah

[dense nacelle]

I dmed for a healer wizard last night and genuinely that stuff is crazy

[knotty vine]

divine order

[glad arch]

Good to learn

[knotty vine]

Level 1: Divine Order
You have dedicated yourself to one of the following sacred roles of your choice.

Protector. Trained for battle, you gain proficiency with Martial weapons and training with Heavy armor.

Thaumaturge. You know one extra cantrip from the Cleric spell list. In addition, your mystical connection to the divine gives you a bonus to your Intelligence (Arcana or Religion) checks. The bonus equals your Wisdom modifier (minimum of +1).

through if a caster wants to be melee i would alway recommned picking up the tough feat which pretty much in the long run makes your hit dice slightly higher in terms of hp

[sleek cloud]

Try not to copy paste the whole things of anything so we don’t get in trouble, but yes that

[knotty vine]

you wont get in trouble for it

[glad arch]

Also im pretty sure this is part of the free rules is it not?

Because this is just base cleric class

[knotty vine]

yeah

[sleek cloud]

Ah, sure enough

[knotty vine]

has someone in the past gotten in trouble cause ive had qutie a few people tell me "dont do that" and ive i have yet to get any warns

[fossil hollow]

Its literally against server rules

[viral kraken]

i have

[humble cairn]

Generally it's more about the stuff that's not free.

I mean don't post huge chunks of the free Basic Rules because textwalls are annoying, but I think the Basic Rules stuff is okay because it's free.

[glad arch]

#rules explicitly says this

[knotty vine]

strange

[fossil hollow]

Not really

[glad arch]

But we probably shouldnt be discussing this here or the mods will get us on discussing server rules here

[humble cairn]

Here is the specific rule: #1133105265311490159 message

[sleek cloud]

So how bout them monks

[glad arch]

Punch punch kick

[knotty vine]

better

much better

[humble cairn]

Not really? I mean it's piracy in drips and drabs.

[viral kraken]

you wouldn't say our use of it is transformative?

[halcyon bison]

well in the case of divine order, that's in the free rules

[fossil hollow]

yeap, that much was fine

[inner silo]

Are there any high cr monsters that can cause permanent damage to eyes?

[fossil hollow]

No

[humble cairn]

There's nothing in the game that causes damage to specific body parts, I'm pretty sure. Except maybe the Vorpal Blade.

[empty thicket]

yeah, fight the SUN

[glad arch]

Team cherry, that you?

[inner silo]

Are there any high cr monsters that blind ppl?

[fossil hollow]

Yeah, the dullahan is one of, if not the only monsters to sever parts of your body

[knotty vine]

i mean there are monsters that can cause blind until blank spell is casted on you

[fossil hollow]

and it severs heads

[empty thicket]

Next step, Parry A NUKE!!

[fossil hollow]

No?

[near brook]

Hello.

[inner silo]

Are there any notable examples?

[knotty vine]

a solar

[empty thicket]

God i wish i can parry spells with some magic sword or smt like that, would be so dope

[fossil hollow]

Theres ton of monsters that inflict blind, but none to my recollection are locked behind a spell being cast to end them

[inner silo]

Oki, thanks!

[fossil hollow]

Oh, the Solar is one

Oh the 2014 one was the one that blinded until lesser restoration

[halcyon bison]

So Fracnco wasn't entirely wrong :3

[fossil hollow]

in my defense, I completely erased anything about the 2014 MM that arent Lair Actions

[limber trail]

A sword of spell turning would be cool

[hollow lance]

I wanna double check a thing, if a player has the evocation wizard feature that gives int modifier damage on all evocation spells that applies to every bolt right? Cus I don't see any way it would function otherwise

[fossil hollow]

every what bolt?

[knotty vine]

Does it say once per turn?

[hollow lance]

Damnit I forgot to say the spell, on magic missile

[limber trail]

I believe the wording is that you add it to one damage roll of the spell

In which case no

But double check that

[fossil hollow]

2014, you add INT to one damage roll

Now, the goofy stuff is wether you roll one die or multiple with MM

[inner silo]

If a character has bad vision and you put eyes of an eagle on them, do they cancel out or can they now just see like the eyes of the eagle say they can?

[empty thicket]

So add it to a Force damage roll or some strong spell

[fossil hollow]

Because i cannot ever remember how that works with multiple or focused targets

[fossil hollow]

Rules do as they say they do

[worn lagoon]

In 2014 it buffs every missile and you roll one damage die to use on all the missiles
in 24 its more up in the air

[fossil hollow]

There are no rules for bad vision on a character (outside of like, Disadvantage on Perception checks and Blindness)

[knotty vine]

Why would a character with bad eyes go adventuring

[halcyon bison]

same reason anyone else goes adventuring

[knotty vine]

“I just find my glasses give me a second”

[fossil hollow]

worked well for Presto

[inner silo]

Maybe they got bad eyes during adventuring and found that magic item after the battle

[hollow lance]

Misplaced my glasses in the bbeg's lair

[worn lagoon]

i hate the drac sorc/evozard adding their int/cha once, i just let them add it to every roll so scorching ray can be a non-terrible spell

[viral kraken]

whoa presto didn't choose that life! that life chose presto!

[empty thicket]

A spell that is contact lensess and use it every 8 hours

[fossil hollow]

Im fairly sure he also has a running Velma lost my glasses gag

[knotty vine]

How is scorching Ray a terrible spell 😭

[worn lagoon]

I have nothing good to say about "what if eldritch blast had a cost and did less damage"

[inner silo]

More damage

[knotty vine]

Me looking at elemental adept:

[hollow lance]

The humble conjure minor elementals scorching ray:

[empty thicket]

i saw it more like an upgraded magic missile

[worn lagoon]

now you pay a cost and invest a feat to do less damage

[fossil hollow]

Needing a feat/another spell to make another spell good is...

Also, Cantrip vs 2nd level + feat or 2nd level + 4th concentration lmao

[knotty vine]

Alright man I have no clue how you think scorching is bad

[umbral girder]

2014 had a thing for attacks that hit simultaneously you rolled damage once.

[empty thicket]

and ngl, machinegunning some foe with around 10 scorching rays seems funny

[fossil hollow]

avg of 14 damage for a 2nd level spell slot, with another avg 7 for each higher slot

[umbral girder]

It’s an ok spell

[hollow lance]

Okay thank god, I ran it the exact way 5e runs it because I didn't have the time to roll all the d4s for an 8th level casting

[worn lagoon]

absolutely no point in upcasting it since a single-target fireball is better
less damage than eb at 3 blasts, comparable damage to it at 2 blasts

[knotty vine]

Not to mention not everyone can just grab Eldritch blast now

[inner silo]

The main problem is probably that it's not aoe

[fossil hollow]

third level would average to 21 damage, up to only 3 targets. Fireball does 28 avg to all targets in its area

[hollow lance]

Fireball is just an unbalanced spell

[worn lagoon]

okay, there is still a plethora of literally any other 2nd level spell you could've used it

[umbral girder]

How so? Multiclassing?

Oh wait spell sniper that’s how I think.

[worn lagoon]

doesn't change that it's still a part of dnd and cannot be disregarded

[knotty vine]

That’s at least a 13 in charisma

[viral kraken]

ya if fireball was 3rd party instead of 1st party, people would lose their minds at how powerful it is

[inner silo]

Not everyone likes multiclassing and not every character would fit with a warlock

[knotty vine]

And spell sniper doesn’t give you a cantrips anymore

[umbral girder]

Not the point of what I said

[inner silo]

It doesn't give eldritch blast in 2024 anymore

[knotty vine]

Without muticlassing obtaining Eldritch blast just ain’t possible

[fossil hollow]

MI warlock no longer exists

[umbral girder]

You really need to read what I said.

I was asking how from Tasha’s statement

[hollow lance]

I'm saying comparing other spells to fireball is just an unfair comparison because barring spells that do shenanigans it's the best, it's the best spell at being just a good spell

[fossil hollow]

Fireball only sees trouble with fiends and elementals, or certain dragons

[inner silo]

Ah, i thought you were explaining why you could, mb

[worn lagoon]

It is an absolutely fair comparison when you are making an argument of why not upcast sray

[knotty vine]

And even if you do muticlass into warlock now you have to invest into charisma to make it good

[hollow lance]

Even then elemental adept gets around most of them besides the high level ones

[viral kraken]

let's not forget a red dragon's best friend, the iron golem!

[fossil hollow]

All the monsters i listed are generally Immune

[knotty vine]

The humble imp vs a fireball

[hollow lance]

Didn't think most non adult dragons were, I thought it was resistance until then

[umbral girder]

You didn’t answer the question notably. Your statement is “anyone can take Eldritch blast now”

[fossil hollow]

nope, gold, brass, and red get immunity from the egg

[knotty vine]

I said “not anyone can just grab Eldritch blast now”

[umbral girder]

A lot of fiends are also immune at high level too

[inner silo]

They said "not anyone"

[knotty vine]

It’s a hassle to get

[hollow lance]

Damn, prolly just making the mistake because dborn

[fossil hollow]

dborn are notably not dragons :P

[knotty vine]

Dragon borns are frauds

[worn lagoon]

There are a ton of spells that are perfectly good uses of a 2nd level slot

[hollow lance]

Which is why I'm not a fan of their lore tbh lol

[knotty vine]

Kobolds are dragons now through

[fossil hollow]

I ignore the abeir/toril stuff for the most part

[hollow lance]

And scorching ray has its use, you need to get 3 guys who aren't close and have some health? Use scorching ray, it's not garbage it just isn't overpowered

[halcyon bison]

That's because kobolds are just cooler :3

[inner silo]

This is why dragons can't be frauds

[knotty vine]

Granted a lot of creatures had there type changes

Like arakora being elementals now

[inner silo]

I missread the message, mb

[worn lagoon]

this also assumes one ray each will do the job when a magic missile cannot
if you have to come up with very specific scenarios to justify a spell, it's not that good a spell

[hollow lance]

My DM once let us use UA which meant we had a kaiju kobold with infinite opportunity attacks

[knotty vine]

1 billon reactions

[hollow lance]

The same could be applied to almost every spell in the game, every spell has a time and place, with exactly one exception

[worn lagoon]

That is simply not true

[fossil hollow]

Aint that a bit of a strawman

[knotty vine]

Give me one example where 2014 true strike can be good

[hollow lance]

That is my one exception

[knotty vine]

Find traps?

[fossil hollow]

Find Traps

[worn lagoon]

It isn't even comparable what sort of a stretch you're making. Most spells are useful in a huge number of situations, rather than "three almost dead but not quite magic missile-able dead enemies that are far from each other but within sight"

And even in this situation magic missile would likely be mathematically preferable

[vale sage]

god i'm so tired of the "this is good this is bad" debates over this game. don't y'all ever just... have fun? and play spells to have fun/build flavor?

[hollow lance]

Low perception party in a dungeon with a DM that isn't mean

[umbral girder]

Find traps does tell you the “nature of a trap” which can pretty easily used to know where a trap is.

Like “it makes you fall on spikes” is just “ok look at floor”

[vale sage]

the more math and optimization you add to the game the less i can fathom how any of it is mor fun that just... playing the damn game

[worn lagoon]

I think we shouldn't act like discussing the game and having fun are mutually exclusive. I am enjoying this conversation.

[knotty vine]

Find traps just tells you where “things are are designated to harm are” or something along those lines

[fossil hollow]

Are there tra- "YES"

[knotty vine]

You know what else is suppose to harm things my sword

[worn lagoon]

It's a perfectly civil convo and no one is forcing anyone to do anything differently.

[knotty vine]

Or my spell casting focus

[hollow lance]

That's an intentionally bad faith interpretation of the spell, any reasonable DM would tell you what traps are in the room

[fossil hollow]

Its the same level of bull as 2014 Primeval Awareness

[vale sage]

i don't get how calling certain spells better than others and arguing over "why would you use that" is fun at all