dnd-discussion

[atomic kayak]

because it doesn't do that

[severe fox]

again when that book is merely just flavor about what a dead magic zone is not a rule

the DMG IS the rule about what a dead magic zone is

[limber apex]

you just said there’s no such thing as pure flavor text

[severe fox]

when did i say that?

[atomic kayak]

Literally nobody said that

[limber apex]

so when an effect says flavor-wise that it’s magical, how am I supposed to know if that’s mechanical or “natural” magic?

[severe fox]

this has to be a troll atp

[lavish flame]

It talks about Dragon Breath Weapons to start off the "Magic of Faerun" chapter, that chapter also contains a Sidebar about Weave-affecting magic. These two aren't necessarily connected directly

[atomic kayak]

As the SAC very explicitly and straightforwardly established at the beginning of this coversation

In D&D, the first type of magic is part of nature. It is no more dispellable than the wind. A monster like a dragon exists because of that magic-enhanced nature. The second type of magic is what the rules are concerned about. When a rule refers to something being magical, it’s referring to that second type. Determining whether a game feature is magical is straightforward. Ask yourself these questions about the feature:

[severe fox]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/sac/sage-advice-compendium#SA224

[atomic kayak]

Is it a magic item?
Is it a spell? Or does it let you create the effects of a spell that’s mentioned in its description?
Is it a spell attack?
Is it fueled by the use of spell slots?
Does its description say it’s magical?

[inner silo]

Is the ring of spell turning or the ring of invisibility a better magic item?

[severe fox]

perm disadvantage or eating spells hmmm

[umbral girder]

Up to you and your build

[severe fox]

through ring of invisbility has a lot of counters

[umbral girder]

And the campaign you’re in

[inner silo]

I plan to play a four elements monk

[hidden spindle]

Invisibility

[severe fox]

true sight blind sight tremor sense

[limber apex]

I know what makes something mechanically magical, either way, we’ve been going in circles for an hour and I don’t care enough to continue going in circles

[inner silo]

Hmm

[severe fox]

but again your confusing flavor for rules

[lyric viper]

Yep I think it's time to move on.

[inner silo]

Invisibility will probably have more utility, though turning a spell on it's user does sound fun

[hidden spindle]

Advantage on all attacks unless they can see you

[limber apex]

probably Invisibility I would say

[hidden spindle]

Spell Turning works if they're using a Spell

[limber apex]

Monks especially I would say

[lavish flame]

idk guys that Ring of Spell Turning is pretty sweeeeet

obv Evasion lessens some of its impact, but like Evasion doesn't work on a Wisdom save yknow

[hidden spindle]

If they're casting a Spell that targets only you

[halcyon bison]

make sure the ring of invisibility isn't secretly evil

[severe fox]

thats not true..?

[inner silo]

Ig monks already have pretty good saves

[severe fox]

oh wait it was changed in 2024

[inner silo]

It's true that it can only repell a spell that only targets you

[severe fox]

nvm thats kinda bad

[lavish flame]

thats for reflecting the spell, but you can eat any spell that affects you

[limber apex]

it’s very limited and only works on spells, which don’t come up as often anymore

[severe fox]

it works on 7th level or lower

[inner silo]

Alrighty, taking permanent invisibility then. Thanks for the help!

[hidden spindle]

That's true that at a baseline, the Spell could have no effect on you

[severe fox]

through at those higher levels qutie a few enemys got true sight

[limber apex]

2014 I think

[atomic kayak]

Spells are still incredibly common from monsters

[severe fox]

i guess but how often are they gonna target only you

[inner silo]

Ammulet of health also seems pretty sweet for the rare item

Would let me have a decent intelligence

[atomic kayak]

Often enough frankly

[severe fox]

have you not considered taking the gloves of soul catching?

[limber apex]

as someone with 10 CON on my character, I agree

[severe fox]

an extra d10 force damage and you can heal yourself

[inner silo]

What are those?

[lavish flame]

oh yo the Ring of Spell Turning stunk in 5e. 5.5e made this so much nicer

[severe fox]

Wondrous item, legendary (requires attunement)

Your Constitution score is 20 while you wear these gloves. This property of the gloves has no effect on you if your Constitution is already 20 or higher.

After making a successful unarmed strike while wearing these gloves, you can use the gloves to deal an extra 2d10 force damage to the target, and you regain a number of hit points equal to the force damage dealt. Alternatively, instead of regaining hit points in this way, you can choose to gain advantage on one attack roll, ability check, or saving throw you make before the end of your next turn.

[inner silo]

What rarity are they

[severe fox]

legendary

a pretty good one at that

[inner silo]

Does the 2d10 force damage have a limit for uses per turn?

[severe fox]

no

[lavish flame]

the wildest thing about these gloves is that the adventure they're in explicitely gives the PCs instructions for how to craft these. they don't exist in the adventure

[inner silo]

So if i use flurry of blows that's an extra 10d10 damage?

[severe fox]

pretty much

[inner silo]

Ngl pretty crazy

[severe fox]

yeah

also 20 in con is nothing to sneeze at

[inner silo]

Yeah that's probably what I'll take

[inner silo]

That's also increadible and frees up my rare item

[limber apex]

it looks like you can use it as Vex if you don’t want to heal

[inner silo]

Sad they aren't+3 to attack rolls but that's too much to ask

[severe fox]

that would make them even crazier lol

[inner silo]

That too, but for saves and ability checks too

[limber apex]

you only need to use the saving throw version on your last hit each turn

[inner silo]

Could you theoretically just hit a rock before making an ability check and get advantage?

[severe fox]

pretty much

[inner silo]

Yeah these seem op on monks

[severe fox]

its a cracked legendary item

[inner silo]

Thanks a lot for the suggestion!

[lavish flame]

technically yeah, but this definitely falls into Bag of Rats stuff that the DMG explicitely calls out as Not Cool

[severe fox]

self healing 2d10 force damage as well as advantage on an attack roll ability check or saving throw

omg it does just say target intead of creature 😭

punches wall to give myself advantage

[scenic zinc]

That's the kind of behavior that results in your items being attacked

[lilac raptor]

Okay, so oathbreaker paladin, VGtM aasimar, Cultist background from TCM’24 for hex, arm myself with polearm from Grim Hollow to skip PAM entirely and cast hungering blade on it for even more damage. So apart from GWM what damage focused feats would be good for paladin ?

[severe fox]

uh idk

[limber apex]

idk, I feel like it could be meant to give you advantage on all ability checks

why even add the ability check on a weapon?

coulda just been Saving Throw or Attack Roll and not had that problem changing maybe 1% of the total choices someone would make with this item

[umbral girder]

Grim Hallow not being official is hard to add on here as it’s #third-party so many aren’t gonna know what’s up with it

[severe fox]

yeah

[lilac raptor]

I forgor💀, thanks for the reminder

[lavish flame]

cuz its more than a weapon, its gloves

[young widget]

I'm DMing today but its in 3 hours

I want to DM now!

ANGRY!!!!!!!

[timid anvil]

2 hour one-shot

Or you can use the time to doublecheck your session prep :)

[rough basalt]

I wanna work more on my setting guide but I keep failing the exhaustion saving throw.

[young widget]

My players have to deal with 5 dragons this session. the wyrmlings are always up to stuff.

My campaign got really influenced by wings of fire somehow.

[stuck crystal]

hmmm so much food

[young widget]

Last time they were fighting over getting a princess.

[flint ledge]

Eating wyrmlings?

[stuck crystal]

hey im either turning into a dragon (Elden ring style ) or dying

and i love taking my chances

[flint ledge]

Pretty sure they turned into magma wyrms in elden ring

[stuck crystal]

they did they did but its only like after a consecutive heart consumption

if you eat one or two dragons youre fine

[river vector]

Lol I have promised my group I will do curse of strahd after my homebrew

My two new players seem to enjoy my plot so far

[stuck crystal]

HOORAY!

didnt mean to add the fruity "~"

[river vector]

Yet I keep thinking I'm preparing trash 😆

DM imposter syndrome, hits all DMs it seems

Strahd I need months of prep for I'm sure

[rough basalt]

Not really

[young widget]

Kobold strahd, my beloved.

[rough basalt]

Strahd isn't easy to run but it's not the hardest by far imo.

Most of its difficulty ime lies on the player side of the table.

[river vector]

Huh. So I guess I could set it up in... Not that long?

[rough basalt]

Players in my experience tend to start screwing around too much early on CoS.

Which can be a problem if anyone else on the players side or DM wanted to engage in the module on a more serious level.

[river vector]

Session zero I will establish it is a horror module

Player told me it would become Monty Python 😭

[rough basalt]

Ye that's a usual case which is why neither times I've been in CoS it got anywhere.

[viral kraken]

With standard point buy, is it possible to get stats that let you multi class enough times to avoid getting a subclass by 20?

[rough basalt]

Player was too busy making deez jokes and NSFW jokes which made the dm end the game 2 hours early on multiple occasions.

[river vector]

Sounds like that player should have had a talking to

[rough basalt]

Nah the DM didn't care about playing the game or running it either

[river vector]

And then kicked if behaviour did not cease

[rough basalt]

He was one of those people who "only plays dnd if it's the last thing on my list"

[river vector]

I see....

[rough basalt]

And schedules a weekly game expecting people to show up.

[river vector]

Don't DM if you act like this

[calm cobalt]

Helloo Sora! Remember when I spoke here about my friend? Yesterday we had a session and it was so fun, genuinely no phones in sight from the newbies and they even rewritten their player sheets by hand and genuinely had fun 🥹🥹

[rough basalt]

That's awesome.

[buoyant oar]

Strahd has one of the best villains in D&D and I'm constantly surprised that Wizards of the coast has chosen to not attempt to emulate it at all.

[rough basalt]

Yeah he'd be like "nah guys I'm too busy tonight, got way too much work going on."
Then you look at Discord and he's hopping on Helldivers 2.

[river vector]

What a joke

[buoyant oar]

Tbh. If you're just not feeling up to session, don't lie. Just say you're not feeling up to it.

[river vector]

A player of mine has told me that he was sleeping, yet he was online on discord

Could have just left it open

But idk

[rough basalt]

Last straw was when he ghosted my game and didn't even think to leave my server or appear offline so I might not notice he's ignoring me.

Last of many last straws

[jolly canyon]

I legitimately can't stop trying so hard to make my games fun and even tho I'm puting a couple hours every night into these sessions it still doesn't feel like enough

Thrn you got the Hd2 dm

[buoyant oar]

I once had a player in one of my paid games not show up. They got charged. They got really mad at me because I denied their refund because their reason was they forgot. This was an experienced player.

[jolly canyon]

You paid for a slot dude. Should know better

[buoyant oar]

People are weird

[rough basalt]

Ye some people think paid games solve all issues but they don't. They just filter out a lot of the issue makers.

And paid dms that are successful enough to have consistent players almost certainly have the backbone to immediately deal with issue makers.

[river vector]

I would never do something like this as DM

All I do is ripoff Vecna

[jolly canyon]

Hence then name

[rough basalt]

When it comes to imposter syndrome with dming it probably doesn't go away for a lot of people

You just learn to ignore it.

[jolly canyon]

I'm new and very obsessed with this whole shindig dm stuff. I have not stopped thinking about it since mid January lol I've been dreaming of session prepping 😭 😅

[river vector]

I am new as well DMd my seventh session a few days ago

And the 8th session is tomorrow

[buoyant oar]

I most certainly haven't reached the level of paid running to where I have people hand over fist Clamoring to be part of my games. But it's also money that I don't need in my budget. It keeps artist paid and helps me buy new content.

[rough basalt]

I can feel my passion before all the BS I've been through with dnd every now and then which is what starts my campaigns and has been keeping them going.

[rough basalt]

This is more or less my goal at some point.
Get to a point as a DM where I could run a paid game to offset my gamerunning expenses.

[buoyant oar]

I do a metric tonne of pregame prep. Especially for my paid games. I use the Foundry module simplequest. And I used the lore tab, and I pre-write all of the locations important people, factions. History and stuff like that. So that when people find something relevant I can just reveal it to them live.

[river vector]

I just wrote 47 pages of lore and world building, called it a day

[rough basalt]

I'm currently making a setting guide for mine.

[buoyant oar]

My Paid Game set in Rashemen has 58/366 lore entries revealed.

My Paid Game set in Zakhara has 22/189 lore entries revealed.

[rough basalt]

Rn I'm at 23 pages I think.

[river vector]

I've seen someone who made a hundred pages of homebrew stuff

Crazy devotion

[buoyant oar]

For the past 10 or so years I've been working on a comprehensive overview of the forgotten realms. Not just of the main continent but everywhere. Written like a journal of an Explorer.

It's at around a thousand pages right now.

[rough basalt]

My guide is from the POV of a npc I came up with for my Monday party

[river vector]

Wow. Just Wow.

[buoyant oar]

When I get the maps done I'm laying it out and putting on the Guild. The world map is 210,000 pixels wide.

[rough basalt]

Has in character lines about her feelings about areas, some about wanting to strangle a cartographer for misnaming places and being lazy. (Me making fun of my own lazy naming and mistakes)

[buoyant oar]

I love when a writers opinions seep in like that.

[river vector]

Another DM I know has made an in universe racist text about the world.

[rough basalt]

I've been reworking my homebrew statblocks while I'm doing this. Have made some more exciting statblocks rather than just reskins.

[buoyant oar]

The one I am using constantly rips on the spellplauge for changing the world only to change it back.

[river vector]

Propaganda from the ruling class lol

[rough basalt]

Like the most powerful statblock for one faction was a hodge podge of useful stuff that sounded cool

While rest were just reskins

[nocturne eagle]

If someone is available, I would like to request some step by step help making a character, I'm not entirely sure how to do it and it would mean a lot to have a person explain it to me and explain what each stat and ability is used for, dnd beyond is kinda helpful, but not entirely helpful

[rough basalt]

So I decided to use the reskins as a baseline for more exciting stuff.

[river vector]

#character-discussion

[rough basalt]

Having them use Giant Rune Magic of my own creation.

[buoyant oar]

As of right now the book will feature around 225 maps.

A main world map
11 continental maps
200 regional maps
11 Trade maps
One constellation map
One star system map

[rough basalt]

Like their version of a Druid has a feature that's kind of a wildshape but npcdistinct

That has its own benefits.
Like their attack in Beast form grapples and they get advantage on all attacks on the grappled target.

Similar to a Marileth.

[jagged sentinel]

Imagine a thrift store in Faerun. Paladin: "Look this belt gives me acid resistance and it's only 1 gold piece!" Bard: "Put the belt back on the rack, friend. You're clearly new at this."

A bargain bin in a fantasy setting tickles my brain in ways I never knew possible 🤣

[humble cairn]

Basically this: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/basic-rules-2014/equipment#Trinkets

[rough basalt]

My maps for my world are pretty rough

[jagged sentinel]

Not the clearance rack in DnD 🤣

[rough basalt]

All the countries have separate maps, tho the desert magic country needs a better map.

Then the ocean has its own map

I need to make maps for the island chains.

[buoyant oar]

The map that I've been working on has been project since before 1 D&D was announced.

I got really tired of not having a high resolution map of places Kara-Tur. And so I started to make them myself.

My first map was a giant blue and white map. That one did reasonably well on the internet. But I noticed it was full of errors. This new one is 16 times the detail. And has a fully backed database spreadsheet of every known canonical location across over 700 sources. As well as it being a 3D satellite map that you could 3D print if you wanted

[rough basalt]

I hope to eventually get good enough at Inkarnate to make a proper world map and better maps in general

[buoyant oar]

My life would be made a lot easier if I actually just learn how to use GIS. But I adamantly refuse to so its photoshopping until The end of time

[rough basalt]

My primary issue is my attention.

Unless I get in the proverbial zone I'm always looking to do anything but what I'm actually trying to do.

[humble cairn]

Actually if you roll on that table, and then roll on all these tables, it can create an interesting item: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/dmg-2024/treasure#MagicItemSpecialFeatures

[jolly canyon]

Same. There is a crazy lack of eberron maps out there. At least official or major 3rd party ones. Unless I'm just not looking well enough

[rough basalt]

Czepeku has some maps that fit eberron pretty perfectly

[jolly canyon]

Yee I got them. They are sparse but I'm definitely gonna use them soon enough

[jagged sentinel]

I can't explain why this popped into my brain but... The Real Housewives of Neverwinter

[humble cairn]

I rolled a 93 on the Trinkets table and then going down the line in the tables from Magic Item Special Features I rolled: 2, 1, 10, 2 .. see what you can make of that bargain bin item.

[rough basalt]

Makes me tempted to add an additional Wandering Merchant to both of my games that sells "Magic Items that blow competitors prices out the water"

And it's just Cursed and Bargain bin stuff

[jagged sentinel]

I would want to see a medieval style shopping mall

Like a fort that was converted into a marketplace

[jagged sentinel]

"I'm practically giving them away!"

[rough basalt]

Just be rude, scammy

[jagged sentinel]

My mind instantly goes to Robin Williams as a used car salesman

[rough basalt]

I like having merchants with unique personalities in random encounters cause it can be a good test of how far a players "heroic character" is actually heroic when the merchant is upcharging or being a jerk.

[jolly canyon]

the living weapons are hilarious. there is +1 versions so they arent to strong for low lvl players and they cant remove them unless they have remove curse. one of my players has living glove-lute and hungry weapon - greatsword. cant remove either lol

[jagged sentinel]

But it was half off from its original price! 🤑

[rough basalt]

Tho I feel like I've gotten a little insane with how my magic items are handled.

But on the other hand. Eh.

[jolly canyon]

they are good weapons i think so it wouldnt work for like a bargain bin really bad item merchant

[rough basalt]

Like I got a level 2 fighter in my Wednesday game with uncommon plate armor

But he's also 1880gp in debt to Bjornulf the Unclothed.

[jagged sentinel]

Omg imagine a Black Friday sale type event at a marketplace. The goal is to get out of the sale alive!

[jolly canyon]

oh damn what the.... oh lmfaooo!

[rough basalt]

And Bjornulf the Unclothed isn't gonna be happy if he defaults.

[jolly canyon]

dang i shouldve offered debt options. but my group only ever went to a pawnshop ran but a potty mouthed halfling so lol

[rough basalt]

It was a mix of good rp, and high persuasion.

But also cause Bjornulf found out that he serves a noble house so he figures he might get a regular buyer through the PC.

Even tho he'll have to become Bjornulf the Clothed when he's in the city

[knotty vine]

I tend to wonder why people come into a dnd beyond server and don’t use dnd beyond

[jagged sentinel]

I still haven't ever played a session in my life but I'm loving the conversations 😄

I love brainstorming

I can't explain it

Omg a shop that sells the excess loot that adventurers don't want.

[knotty vine]

Have a sword that strikes its wielder with lightning

[native junco]

Cuz in my op there are better apps for it. I like companion 5e app, its pretty good. This server labels it as arrrrr tho

[jagged sentinel]

🤣🤣🤣 "I give you it for 2 gold pieces, final offer!"

[woven flint]

This isn't just the D&D beyond server...
It's literally the Official D&D server anyone can play however they want lol

[knotty vine]

The 5e campaign app has unofficial martial on it

[knotty vine]

They sure do sponsor dndbeyond a lot for some reason…

[stuck shuttle]

Well D&DBeyond is the official tool/marketplace/website

[woven flint]

Okay?
That doesn't mean you have to USE Beyond, Tasha

[knotty vine]

I’m not saying you have too I’m just saying that’s it’s much simpler in the long run

[woven flint]

The simplest way to play D&D is to use reality warping abilities to actually become a D&D character!

[knotty vine]

Having to manually put in everything for every character I wanna make sounds exhausting

[native junco]

I like the homebrewability

I can make whatever I want

Like currently I'm running a Liminal Horror Backrooms esque campaign, which would not be possible using Beyond

[viral kraken]

I mean dndbeyond is the official thing now, but it's not always been and likely won't be forever.

[knotty vine]

I don’t even know how to respond to that

[viral kraken]

Never forget ddi and gleemax lol

[stark arch]

any one els here every time reprints there character sheet beceus of there hand writing gets hard to read? XD

[woven flint]

Gleepmaxxing?!

[stuck shuttle]

Why am I picturing this as a pastime of Flumphs

[jagged sentinel]

Never gleepmax before glomping

[knotty vine]

Oh no my character died time to either wait for this one to get Revive or painstakingly put everything in manually

[umbral girder]

Sending the Dire Flumph on the party next Tuesday /jk

[woven flint]

Thats the most furry thing I've EVER heard

[knotty vine]

Kinda the whole reason I play 5e

It’s the same reason I never make homebrew

[woven flint]

Flumph-maxxing

[serene jolt]

I like roll20 for the customizability but it can be buggy asf. DnDBeyond has always felt a little more stable, although in order to get custom things, you need to literally homebrew it. Which can get confusing.

[umbral girder]

Considering my Dire Broom is Cr15 one must imagine what a Dire Flumph is

[timid anvil]

A very stressed out one if its a Flumph but Dire

[woven flint]

A Flumph in a dire sitaution!

[opaque tusk]

The thing I hate about beyond is that the user shared homebrew appears in alphabetical order or by lowest to highest there's a very small chance that anyone will see homebrew submissions that don't have a recognizable name or use the emoji exploit

[umbral girder]

I’m imagining like Psyduck

It’s silly but when it gets stressed it a massive psychic blast

[woven flint]

Give it the ilithid mindblast

[umbral girder]

Every time it takes damage 3 times in a row it causes a mind blast

[jagged sentinel]

A ring that sets the wearer on fire. 🔥

[knotty vine]

Might need to read through dndbeyonds TOS

Again

[jagged sentinel]

A cloak that turns invisible, not the wearer.

Invisible jet style

🤣

[umbral girder]

Ring of Attunement but it takes up to 3-6 attunement slots

[native junco]

One of my fav cursed items I've made was the Ring of Insomnia

[jagged sentinel]

Once owned by the infamous Marching King of Peru...

[native junco]

It literally stops my player from properly resting but he insists that "sleep is for the weak"

[woven flint]

Ring of Fire resistance...
The ring is the only thing that resists fire

[jagged sentinel]

On the ring it reads in Sylvan "One last video before bed"

[woven flint]

A Mace of Terror that scares the user

[jagged sentinel]

Rings that only protect themselves is really funny 😂

[native junco]

I also gave one of my players the Mimicscript. Its basically stickers that turn things into mimics

[jagged sentinel]

NO IT'S SCARED OF VIOLENCE

It hates conflict

[umbral girder]

The wand of disintegration

As a magic action you can make the wand disintegrate.

[woven flint]

I think it'd be funnier if the Mace Of Terror was afraid of the person using it

Everytime you swing it, it screams

[jagged sentinel]

"I will now disintegrate you with my Wand of Disintegration!" wand disintegrates "... Well whattya know it disintegrated."

[umbral girder]

“It sure did!”

[jagged sentinel]

Some Looney Tune shenanigans

[umbral girder]

“You find a box of magic items in a box titled ACME.”

Roadrunner boss fight time

I could do a Road Runner boss fight for a level 1 party actually.

[visual dew]

I’ve been thinking of a final boss for my campaign to be basically a god whos universe/creations died out and now is like invading other spaces because of his greef but I don’t know what kind of powers I could give him without making him too strong

[umbral girder]

Just modify the Quickling stat block

[jagged sentinel]

Items that are clearly failed magic projects from a wizard school

[umbral girder]

Ring of 3 wishes. It was used 4 times.

[river vector]

So one of my players has lost his soul permanently now.

The whole point was getting it back

[native junco]

Best thing to do: he can create other monsters, ones not from that world. Once his monsters are defeated he uses spells that dont exist and he is around CR30

[visual dew]

A big part of the campaign is this virus that corrupts and mutates the regular dnd monsters so I’m trying to implement that too but I have no idea which way to take this

[river vector]

He was like "make me a vampire spawn, do it!"

He was like "Who cares if my soul is gone?"

[native junco]

hehehe

Why da players always care so little abt their souls?

Like: u need that my dude

[river vector]

Well no afterlife for him now

Well there is, but it's just purgatory

[jagged sentinel]

Earrings of Hearing, grants the wearer super hearing they can't turn off until they take them off.

[river vector]

His consciousness will make it to the afterlife

Without a soul he can't be reincarnated

[native junco]

Bag of Many Things

[woven flint]

Skill Issue, frankly

[river vector]

He chose to be a vampire spawn, knowing everything I told him

[knotty vine]

How does one lose a soul

[woven flint]

The bag of many bags
Its a bag that has thousands of different bags from different brands in it

[jagged sentinel]

Carelessly

[native junco]

I plan to do smth like this when they get a Bag of Many Things, and do a switcheroo

[river vector]

So I had the morally ambiguous vampire turn him to spawn

[knotty vine]

I’m pretty sure vampires have souls…

[river vector]

Not in my setting

[native junco]

Depends on interpretation

[knotty vine]

Weird choice but ok

[visual dew]

So I could make the virus him trying to creat stuff but since it’s diffrent usiverses it corrupts this universes monsters

[native junco]

Yeps

[native junco]

This is a good convo to take to wordbuilding and see what they can brainstorm with u

[river vector]

Not that weird, vampires are often soulless in lots of media

[jagged sentinel]

A magic mirror that only reflects Vampires, everything else is a black void.

[lavish flame]

Vamps with souls feels weird to me

[river vector]

Now he's wondering how he will travel with the party

[knotty vine]

Why wouldn’t they have souls?

[river vector]

And how to deal with the sun

[woven flint]

Well, they're undead.

[river vector]

He should have thought of that before

[lavish flame]

they're one of the potent Undeads

[knotty vine]

There’s a few undead who have souls

[jagged sentinel]

They deceased gurl

[woven flint]

Undead are typically soulless

[river vector]

Luckily I planned for this

[jagged sentinel]

They have ceased to be

[woven flint]

A few ARE souls.

[visual dew]

Yeah I’ve been wanting to chat with them but we’re running a campaign from the dnd starter pack so they could like understand the game and I don’t want to put too much on them

[knotty vine]

Yeah so why are vampires straight up soulless

[lavish flame]

the deal with Undead is either usually "no soul anymore" or "exclusively exists as a soul"

[river vector]

I mean to be fair vampires aren't typical undead

[woven flint]

But, the notable thing about things like Liches
Is that they don't have their soul INSIDE them.

[knotty vine]

Yeah that’s what I mean

[river vector]

But I still prefer them as soulless

[jagged sentinel]

Cuz they literally died and forfeited their soul

[knotty vine]

Not all vampires died through

[visual dew]

Gently I’ve been too lenient with them with this one lol

[jagged sentinel]

Unholy and all that

[native junco]

Oh... well that's very oxymoronic considering what u want for a final boss

[woven flint]

Well all vampires are considered undead.

[knotty vine]

Strahd being a super famous example

[jagged sentinel]

You mean born vamps?

[woven flint]

Strahd is STILL undead.

[river vector]

Strahd did die

[knotty vine]

Did he?

[woven flint]

Yes.

[river vector]

He got shot with arrows

[knotty vine]

Oh

[jagged sentinel]

That's his whole tragic backstory

[lavish flame]

yeah you need to die to become a Vampire

[knotty vine]

What a fraud

[river vector]

What if Strahds guards didn't shoot him with arrows?

[woven flint]

This time a billion ^

[jagged sentinel]

Now he's a monster? 😂

[visual dew]

On the first level of the campaign they all sabotaged eachother and all died to random giant centipedes

[river vector]

Would he just become a vampire when he died naturally?

[woven flint]

if they're not dead, why are vampires undead?
That wouldn't make any logical sense.

[jagged sentinel]

Vampirism is usually a joint effort

[woven flint]

They'd be monstrosities or something like that.
Or just humanoids

[jagged sentinel]

Thousands of years of mythology IRL?

[woven flint]

You can't be UNDEAD and NOT DEAD.

[knotty vine]

I still don’t think vampired just lose there souls instantly

[visual dew]

Then we made a deal cuz I wanted to continue the story and we basically went back in time and then they almost died again cuz they didn’t trust the sorcerers intuition and stole from a baby copper dragon and almost all died too

[jagged sentinel]

That usually is what happens when you die

You leave yo body

[woven flint]

its definetly something that maybe happens over the course of time
But Undeath is the corruption of who one was in life.

[river vector]

I mean in the curse of strahd module it says "Strahd believes his soul has been lost to evil"

[knotty vine]

Also as for your player just tell him to get an umbrella

[river vector]

He said he would cover himself up in robes and stuff

[lavish flame]

Here's the Dark Gift of the Vampyr. Needs 2 conditions to be met

The beneficiary slays another humanoid that loves or reveres him or her, then drinks the dead humanoid’s blood within 1 hour of slaying it.
The beneficiary dies a violent death at the hands of one or more creatures that hate it.
When the conditions are met, the beneficiary instantly becomes a vampire under the Dungeon Master’s control (use the stat block in the Monster Manual).

[visual dew]

I swear this party would not make it in any serious campaign 😭

[knotty vine]

Or that I guess

I mean regeneration could be a huge plus

[woven flint]

Well there you go

[worn folio]

I have a question, how often do people post pokemon 5e games in looking for players because ive been dying to play in one for like months but i can never find anybody running a pokemon 5e campaign

[knotty vine]

Pokémon…?

[river vector]

Me when I have holy warriors hunt the party now

[knotty vine]

Don’t let Nintendo hear you talking like that

[native junco]

I mean there is Pokemon in my Liminal Horror campaign

[knotty vine]

Do they just automatically know he’s a vampire?

[lavish flame]

So if his guards did not kill him and instead he died of natural causes at 80, he would not become a vampire. He needs to have suffered a violent death by someone who hates him

[visual dew]

Lawsuits gonna come swift and fast I can guarantee that lol

[knotty vine]

Very strange if true

[river vector]

If he's obvious about it I mean

[jagged sentinel]

There are usually signs 😅

[native junco]

Unless ur Pocketgame

[knotty vine]

It’s not super obvious through….

[verbal flicker]

Is it possible to make a dnd character as a kingdom hearts character

[river vector]

I mean he has black eyes from a deal with a Lich

[knotty vine]

It’s pretty damn easily to hide vampirism

[worn folio]

I was just wondering because i used to see them a lot in the old server like 5 years ago or something but they arent around anymore atleast not any ive seen

[river vector]

If he wears robes to cover himself up, he looks suspicious ASF

[knotty vine]

Random birth defect

Or he can use that cantrip

Or alter self

[lavish flame]

Its common knowledge amongst Barovians that Strahd is a vampire

[woven flint]

So do.. Monks, Wizards, Sorcerers and then some people who don't want sunburn and... well... there's plenty of reasons why

[jagged sentinel]

He isn't exactly subtle

[river vector]

But that's because Strahd isn't trying to hide it

[knotty vine]

Yeah wearing robes doesn’t make you Sus

[jagged sentinel]

It most famously does tho

[knotty vine]

“That man is wearing robes he must be a vampire!”

[river vector]

He could wear full body and claim religious purposes

[jagged sentinel]

A hooded figure is literally THE most suspicious looking outfit in history

[knotty vine]

That’s a very weird hill to die on but ok

When like 40-60% of people wear hoods and what not in dnd

[river vector]

Yeah there's a difference between robes and full body robes

[knotty vine]

Class wise I mean

[river vector]

Covered head to toe

[knotty vine]

That’s why you should use an umbrella instead

[river vector]

In a world where vampires are known to exist

[jagged sentinel]

Dressed like the witch from Snow White

[knotty vine]

The sun isn’t as much as an issue as you might think in dnd

[river vector]

I had the vampire that turned him show off his ring that makes him immune to sunlight

A hook saying "go meet him at his house" as well

Forbiddance will be fun to play with

[knotty vine]

What do you mean “immune to sunlight”

Like the damage the disadvantages or both

[river vector]

"No, The Lich says you can't come in!"

[river vector]

Both. It's one of a kind.

[knotty vine]

Could be useful for a drow

[river vector]

To avoid lore breaking "why doesn't he mass produce it"

[knotty vine]

I doubt there’s 100s of vampires eager to buy it

[river vector]

And he wouldn't hand it out anyway

Vampires are selfish beings

[river vector]

If the party had one lol

[knotty vine]

Again a umbrella or a barrel could easily solve his issues

Or a large sun hat

Also it’s not like vampires melt instantly under sunlight it’s 20 radiant damage in 6 seconds

[native junco]

wut

[river vector]

Oh look a scammer

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[native junco]

This is kinda sad

lol

[river vector]

12 seconds knocks him down lol

[empty thicket]

again?

[native junco]

Apparently

[empty thicket]

damn...

[knotty vine]

Still enough time to throw down a darkness spell

[timid anvil]

Please use the Alert mods app :) Pinging the whole mod team is not necessary unless the Server is burning down or something needs immediate attention from us :)

[river vector]

Oops sorry, first time pinging. Will do in the future.

[knotty vine]

Fog cloud if level 1

[river vector]

I'm wondering how he will escape the situation he's in now

He was turned into a vampire while in a room with a dead mayor, in the middle of the morning

How will he cover himself up?

[knotty vine]

I just gave him a host of ways to avoid sunlight

[river vector]

Yeah, but how will he get out of that situation is what I am wondering lol

Guards will rush in

See dead mayor, blame the party

Guards will be easily killed

[knotty vine]

Say it was a vampire..?

[river vector]

There is the corpse of a vampire in the room lol

[knotty vine]

Unless the guards don’t believe in vampires suddenly

[native junco]

Make the guards seem like they are not easily killed, party will freak out

[woven flint]

Then it should be easy for them to prove?

[knotty vine]

Ah much easier the vampire slaughtered everyone but we managed to take him down

Simple as that

[native junco]

Thats gonna a DC 15 Deception check

[river vector]

I'm too tired I guess

[hot reef]

The corpse dissolves into dust
What now

[knotty vine]

How convenient

[woven flint]

I don't think the DC should be that high if the body is right there
Maybe like a DC 10

[knotty vine]

The body is literally on the ground

[native junco]

Do remember: the guards just got murked by party tho

[woven flint]

Claim the vampire mind-controlled one of them to do it 🤔

[river vector]

But they didn't do anything, it was the vampire spawn lol

[native junco]

Def DC 15

[empty thicket]

Guards from a serious kingdom should be hard to take down ngl

from a corrupt one, where you can see things dont go well you can expect some not smart guards

[woven flint]

Thats wrong information according to Zanaris, the dm of the party

[knotty vine]

But if vampires are well known then..

[river vector]

The spawn just went sicko mode on the mayor

[ripe nimbus]

well, raw 15 is the standard DC for this if your DM asks you to roll at all

[woven flint]

Oh!
If its a SPAWN it definetly shouldn't be turning into dust

[knotty vine]

Exactly

It’s just a dead vampire

[river vector]

Yeah I plan to scare them a bit with the guards coming in

But they can just explain stuff

[woven flint]

Social intruige is fun

[river vector]

Mayor what's his name sold the party out to the vampire BBEG forces

[rough basalt]

Social intrigue is very fun

[river vector]

He called them to his office as a trap to have the spawn capture them

But the spawn just murked the mayor

Instant karma

[rough basalt]

I think my favorite type of bbeg has a bit of social intrigue to it.

[woven flint]

Never mix buisness with perceived friendship

[river vector]

"You have outlived your usefulness" was a fun thing to say before impaling the mayor.

[rough basalt]

The patron bbeg that has players take down all their opposition for being "bad guys"

[woven flint]

This vampire TOTALLY isn't going to stab me in the back!

[river vector]

Cliche, but I love cliches

[river vector]

Real, the party has a LICH king trying to get them to kill his rebellion

[native junco]

Nothing a good cliche reversal to catch the players absolutely lacking

[rough basalt]

Cliches are great

As long as the execution is good.

[river vector]

So the mayor is just dead now LMAO

Second appearance and I killed him. First appearance was establishing him as a scum.

[rough basalt]

Running a political bad guy like Senator Armstrong from MGR is on my DM bucket list

[jagged sentinel]

My go to Disguise Self appearance would literally just be a variation of the old beggar disguise from Snow White.

Love cliches

[river vector]

That would work well

Just having the most evil looking dragonborn

Black eyes. Covered head to toe in black robes.

[jagged sentinel]

Nah like an elderly sassy granny dragon born

[river vector]

Too bad disguise self doesn't change the voice. Would need alter self for him to be able to pull this off.

[jagged sentinel]

"Sorcerer? Goodness no, child. Believe me if I had magic I wouldn't have these click clacking knees!"

[jagged sentinel]

There's the fun part

shuffles away in a raggedy hooded cloak and a gnarly wooden cane

[rough basalt]

I have an npc that uses disguise self to change just enough so she can pass as someone else (its an open secret who she actually is, people aware just humor her)

[river vector]

I had the vampire BBEG in disguise as a "holy cleric". Lasted two sessions

They rolled high on insight

Then they pulled out weapons

[jagged sentinel]

Is disguise self is a verbal spell right? I'm imagining the words being the same spell from the movie Enchanted: "Speciosus, formosus, praeclarus!"

[inner silo]

Is the 2024 warrior of the open hand a good subclass?

The abilities seem a little lackluster though the touch of death seems fun

[meager fractal]

yes one of the GOAT options for a monk

[woven flint]

Its alright, but its frankly the boring option

Its BASICALLY the "weapon mastery for Monk" subclass
As in you can do different things with your flurry of blows and it Vaguely feels like using weapon masteries

[inner silo]

Tbh it seems to kind of fit my character but it does seem boring, especially compared to warrior of elements or warrior of shadows

I'll probably go elements and play a dragonborn to be an elemental master

Thanks for the help!

[fossil hollow]

if it has a V in its component list, then yes

[jagged sentinel]

Anybody have any favorite movies or tv shows that feature costumes that absurdly scream classic medieval DnD?

[cursive fox]

Honor Amoung Thieves

[jagged sentinel]

Maleficent 2014 is a good one, I love the Three fairies peasant woman outfits, there are so many intricately designed details on the embroidery!

[jovial shadow]

Absolutely. D&D was responsible for the interest if not spawning of Fantasy moives. I liked Sword and the Sorcerer and Dragon Slayer. Others were probably earlier than Miedeval or were in those times but in a different culture (or planet), Such as Ator, Krull, Deathstalker etc.

[random sphinx]

Hey guys, I have a level ten support tank (cleric 7/barbarian 3, war domain and wild soul path) any standout spells that I should look into taking?

[lost tusk]

Hello! :))

I am new to DnD (only saw few videos), any tips?

[near karma]

read the players handbook

[native junco]

dont read the players handbook

I recommend u find a DM who's looking for a player and get them to help u learn, the books are very mid for learning in my op

That's how I learned and I learned fast

[near karma]

bruh you need to read the book to know how the rules work

once you've read it (it really does not take long) then you can get more help, but once you've read it you know how most things work already

[random sphinx]

Make sure to always read through the books on your character/subclass, and please level up your character, take asi's or feats, and for the love of the gods PLEASE don't be the party member who is hated for being so unserious they cannot function

[craggy summit]

Honestly a good DM can still teach you how to play. My first time DM was amazing with helping me learn

[mystic latch]

Hi I am new!

[near karma]

not reading the rules is how we get players who ask how sneak attack works every 2 seconds

[craggy summit]

Do I still recommend reading the PHB if you're new? Absolutely, but is it NECESSARY? ehhh depends on the dm you're playing with

[random sphinx]

"No you can't sneak attack right in front of them, you're not a swashbuckler rogue YOU'RE A HEROISM PALADIN!!!!"

[mystic latch]

Does anyone have a DND group I can join?

[random sphinx]

This did happen in the middle of session one day lol

[rough basalt]

I'd say its necessary to read what you're gonna be doing

[near karma]

#looking-for-dm

[native junco]

Check out #looking-for-players for that kinda thing

[fathom gate]

You encounter Boblin the Goblin breaking it down

[native junco]

I would like to cast Silence on whatever he's breaking it down to

[fathom gate]

It does not work for it is boblins biology to have boss music wherever he travels

[native junco]

Ah. How far away is he?

[woven flint]

I rage and reckless attack to crush him like a bug

[rough basalt]

Putting it all on the DM can be a bit unfair to them and the group. And like Nacho said it often leads to people never learning and just relying on the dm to keep correcting them.

Honestly just reading your abilities makes you more desirable as a player than over half of the community

[native junco]

It does depend in my op, as a DM I prefer players to have either have played a lot, or never even looked at a book

[fathom gate]

You are trapped inside a 25 by 25 box with boblin the goblin

[rough basalt]

I like a player who will at least read what they're meant to do.

[steel moth]

wrong, the dm is obliged to babysit every player until they burn out

if you dont cater to their every need, buy snacks, remind how their spells work, track hp for them, do their taxes, you are a bad dm

[native junco]

I'd like to cast Silence on the room so only Boblin can hear his intrinsic boss theme

[rough basalt]

They can get it wrong, but I appreciate some effort shown.

[fathom gate]

He starts breakdancing faster

[serene jolt]

You just need a good dm who helps you learn the rules on the way and you absolutely need to read your sheet.

Beyond that, you do not have to read the PHB. It can be too much when you're starting and confuse you even more.

[mystic latch]

Does anyone need another person to join there dungeon?

[serene jolt]

Know your sheet, know your spells. A good DM and party can walk you through the rest.

[native junco]

Again, better to check the "looking for" channels

[rough basalt]

Knowing your sheet and spells is honestly massive in this community

It'll make your DM like you

[native junco]

Find A Game Segment

[rough basalt]

Not many in the community possess the ability read their sheets and comprehend them. If you can harness this legendary power, you can go beyond.

[native junco]

Yeps

[rough basalt]

I wish I was joking too

[serene jolt]

That's why some people ask how to sneak attack every round. The sheet is very direct. XD

[rough basalt]

But like at the very minimum 90% of the community probably can't remember their hp.

[serene jolt]

When I started, I read my sheet and spells front to back (I started with a bard, I regret that), and the DM walked me through the rest. Over time, I learned everything I know.

I only just recently actually read the PHB and I've been doing DnD for 2-3 years now. XD

-# My first bard playthrough was rough.

[rough basalt]

I read High Elf, Wizard, Evocation and what spells sounded fun

And the basic rolling stuff

Mine was rough too.

[dense nacelle]

Can I ask why elemental adept has no counterpart for melee users/it doesn’t work for melee attacks?

[rough basalt]

Cause it's intended for primarily spellcasters I assume.

[hidden spindle]

We got Tavern Brawler~

[dense nacelle]

What does tavern brawler have on elemental adept

[keen kestrel]

At least now you can divine smite on punches

[random sphinx]

Is your profile Ornstein themed with a cute anime profile picture?

[woven flint]

Because Melee users dont typically do elemental damage unless they get special weapons or it's a part of their subclasses

[dense nacelle]

Say I’m playing a character who has a lot fire damage, for example strike of the giants fire strike, and stuff like this is their main damage nova source. Like, a firebolt would take less resources and deal more damage, the melee user has to be in more danger to get it off, and if the enemy is resistant to that damage they’re just ruined?

[woven flint]

Hello, Lily

[rough basalt]

This is just apart of dnd

[keen kestrel]

This about sums up why martial can feel bad sometimes yeh

[random sphinx]

Hello, Tokii

[woven flint]

:] fren

[dense nacelle]

But spellcasters have a way out of it, a simple feat that also boosts their spells of that damage type even more

[random sphinx]

You remind me of someone :]

[keen kestrel]

Yes, dnd really likes its spellcasters

[rough basalt]

And martials have damage types that are easily bypassed or don't exist barring exceptions in 5.5

[random sphinx]

I got really cool enchanted weapons and I wanna talk about them, but I'm not sure if they're homebrew

[native junco]

My players are not very smart, how can I make puzzles easier for them?

[random sphinx]

Fren :D

[viral kraken]

make them more brief and open ended

[woven flint]

Talk about it anyway 🧐

[rough basalt]

90% of Martial Damage is BPS which you can bypass in '14 with an expected magic weapon if dm doesnt give one and uses bps resistance enemies all the time he's not worth playing with, and in '24 theres only a handful of enemies that resist BPS and its mostly swarms of insects and animals, spectres, chain devil and the Tarrasque

Which at a level you'd fight a Tarrasque theres the Boon of Irresistable Offense which lets martials ignore bps resistance

[random sphinx]

I usually give them hints, and if they still can't I let the dm npc help

[worn lagoon]

at the level you get an epic boon you may as well true polymorph the martials into true dragons

[rough basalt]

Thats an option as well

[native junco]

I very rarely have DM npcs available to help (Backrooms setting), but more hints could work

[worn lagoon]

its kind of a huge upgrade, its not like they have spellcasting to be locked out of

[dense nacelle]

Who’s spamming reactions

[native junco]

Thats me 🤗🤗🤗

[undone rain]

Good evening my oath brothers and oath sisters. Back from Reenactment training

[rough basalt]

Part of dnd is resistances/immunities exist. At high levels, most monsters are immune to common spellcaster damage and conditions along with magic resistance but you know what they're not immune to? A kick to the face.

[dense nacelle]

But when martials damage looks like 2d6+str slashing at most and to only one target with a high chance of missing it makes martials fall off heavily in the late game

[woven flint]

You know

I've been studying all the Deity pantheons for D&D because I was bored

And I find it funny how one of the Gnomish God's is just an Evil, Murderous Mole Rat

[rough basalt]

They don't

[crimson gulch]

Late game martials are doing way more than that

[rough basalt]

With just a rare magic item, a fighter can do nearly as much as meteor swarm unresisted, to a single target with just a single short rest resource use without crits

[random sphinx]

I have two super cool longswords and a blunderbuss :D
One of the swords deals an extra 2d6 frost damage and can hurt spirits, and the other deals an extra d6 radiant and can heal for however much radiant damage I've dealt once a day :D
The blunderbuss does 2d8 + 2d6 radiant, and 2d6 shock, and knocks enemies down on a crit (dc16 con save), and has a unique ability that does 8d6 (4 radiant, 4 shock) and innately knocks enemies down :3

[dense nacelle]

Spellcasters get to nuke with huge Aoe’s and control with great control spells

[dense nacelle]

What rare magic item does that lmao

[rough basalt]

Control spells that monsters have advantage and +17 saves to

[native junco]

My fav thing to do is give very unbalanced items and see what happens

[rough basalt]

Vicious Greatsword/Maul

[worn lagoon]

or a true dragon

[rough basalt]

Each hit at level 20 with just it and GWM is 4d6 + 11, so 8 attacks for 32d6 + 88 of pure raw damage

[dense nacelle]

That’s an extra 2d6 per hit

[woven flint]

Like, this isn't even a joke
Their name is Urdlen and they're the Gnomish God of " bloodlust, evil, hatred, and destruction." And they're a molerat...
Also a Non-Binary Deity. Which is based

[rough basalt]

and the average of those dice and modifiers added to it? comes up to 200 damage on average for an action surge use

[dense nacelle]

if you hit every attack

[rough basalt]

Which is easy at high levels

[dense nacelle]

Not when you’re facing high level monsters with a weapon that doesn’t have any +1ms

[woven flint]

They're also known as
"The Crawler Below"
Badass nickname

[rough basalt]

You have a +11 to hit without the expected Belt of Giant strength, and advantage is really easy to get

[woven flint]

Maybe one day I'll make an Evil Gnome Cleric of Urdlen.

[rough basalt]

As someone whose played and plays high level martials, they dont fall off below very high op tables

[random sphinx]

My level 8 paladin/artificer did 248 damage in one turn against a giant fiend (i was hasted and had a spell effect from the dm)

[coarse ravine]

Yeah magical resistance means alot

[woven flint]

They're so fun at high level

[native junco]

Starlight, starbright, first star I see tonight-

[dense nacelle]

If a monster has the average ac of 21 at tier 4 play that means approximately half of those 8 hits are landing

[rough basalt]

they have around 17 to 20

[coarse ravine]

21 ac is low

At high level.

[worn lagoon]

I slept on true polymorph for too long, an adult silver dragon is crazy

Go paralyzing breath

[dense nacelle]

This is the average of all tier 4 monsters

[woven flint]

"Ghvull Skittersmack"
How's that sound for the name of a guy that worships a mole? 💀

[coarse ravine]

Im saying its not like ungodly high like others with ac 25+

[rough basalt]

AC doesnt go higher than 25 on official monsters

[worn lagoon]

+13 to hit, a lot of die and attacks, can shapeshift to anything below cr17

[rough basalt]

Which is tarrasque, tiamat and bahamut

[worn lagoon]

paralyzing breath, woah

[coarse ravine]

Guess I've dealt with bad dms giving that 27 ac lol

[worn lagoon]

bahamut has an official stat block?

[coarse ravine]

Those dms like to let their monsters have magic items you can get from them. Like rod of protection. Ring of protection etc

[woven flint]

His aspect does

[coarse ravine]

Tiamat does too they are fun. Never fought Bahamut tho

[worn lagoon]

I just found it. I would like to run this fight.

[woven flint]

I think Bahamuts regular aspect AND Fizban (his human Avatar) both have Statblocks

[coarse ravine]

Cr 30s

[woven flint]

He's adverse to combat and killing people if he doesn't have to.

[coarse ravine]

His stat block is unique never fought him tho

Tiamat is just damage overload

[worn lagoon]

Okay.

[woven flint]

It's because Bahamut prefers to not kill.

He'll knock you out...
But the Chances of being killed by the Grandmaster of Flowers himself are incredibly low

[worn lagoon]

Good to know...?

[woven flint]

He likes diplomacy!

[molten pumice]

☝️🤓 I regularly make characters who have +8, +10, or +12 to hit at level 15 and it is extremely rare that when I roll to see what their attacks look like as examples they get below a 23. Having advantage makes it dumb easy to hit things because the game doesn't want players to miss constantly and is more likely to give you people who recover from your hits or just have walls of hp over people with AC so high you can't touch them to begin with

[woven flint]

Yeah?
I'm just giving you lore reasons as to why you probably haven't fought him and why he's rarely used in combats lol

[coarse ravine]

Yeah like all shiny dragons mostly

[woven flint]

You have to REALLY mess up to piss him off

[coarse ravine]

I know golds and brass like to talk

[coarse ravine]

Or evil campaign which I've never done

[woven flint]

Bahamut is probably the biggest Sweetheart In the multiverse

[coarse ravine]

I think the hardest dragon to fight would most likely be the time dragon

I dont think you can pin him down long enough to kill him

You can Maze him prolly

With some shenanigans

[woven flint]

"Bahamut was stern and very disapproving of evil, always arguing with Asgorath about his crusade against it. He accepted no excuses for evil acts, and didn't tolerate even minor offenses by evil creatures.

In spite of his stance, he was also considered one of the most compassionate beings in the multiverse. He had limitless empathy for the downtrodden, the dispossessed, and the helpless. He usually preferred to polymorph those who had offended him instead of killing them, although it was also said that Bahamut loathed to sully himself with the blood of evil creatures."

He's so CHILL! I love him

[molten pumice]

If I was a paladin and I caught an artificer hitting someone with a shining smite... idk, I'd be a lil frustrated. Go turn a wrench Bobby, smiting is my thing.

[coarse ravine]

Druids looking at the nature cleric

Oath of aincients etc

[worn lagoon]

my necromancer wizard smites sometimes

[woven flint]

I should have a Dragonborn Cleric of Bahamut one day, I've never done that and it's cliche as hell, but I yearn

[worn lagoon]

that's still infinitely more original than dragonborn paladin of bahamut

[crimson gulch]

originality is a trap

[coarse ravine]

Bahamut patron would be fun with the right dm who could pull off the rp

[crimson gulch]

Tropes done well beat originality 95% of the time

[molten pumice]

Oh yeah, if I was a druid it'd be on sight for nature Clerics because either commit or leave the trees to the professionals. Ancients paladins would get wild side eye too but I'd probably let them rock if they were good with persuasion or performance. They better be fun.

[coarse ravine]

I think Rangers are the in between area of nature and civilization

I still look down upon the rangers tryna do survival lol. Im like ay ay... I got this

[woven flint]

"Bahamut also liked to prove the strength and worthiness of his followers by battling against them in his dragon form, halting the combat when his followers were injured or when they overcame him. However, he was prone to get carried away by his zeal, and had powerful healers on hand in case he had gravely injured one of his followers in those battles."

I wanna spar with Bahamut!

[worn lagoon]

you'd think there'd be less dragonborn faithful of bahamut considering most of tymanther hates draconic gods and there's just the platinum cadre

[woven flint]

Hating Bahamut should be a crime

[worn lagoon]

I like the final fantasy one better

[molten pumice]

🙂‍↕️ Rangers would reasonably have more beef with ancients paladins because that's crazy levels of ranger larp from the smiting guy.

[woven flint]

That's why Tiamat is in HELL!!! /joking

[coarse ravine]

I saw a "dragonborn tiamat" statblock

Idk the cr tho

[fathom gate]

Thoughts on a druid thats just tired 24/7 from dealing with everyones bs?

[coarse ravine]

Is she the "mother of dragons"?

[coarse ravine]

Storm of vengeance

[woven flint]

Tiamat is considered the Queen of Evil Dragons

[coarse ravine]

Earthquake,
Tsunami,
Tornado

[coarse ravine]

Ok was about to pull a funny but wanted to know more lore lol

"Tiamat is Bahamuts mom" but I guess not lol

[worn lagoon]

Isnt that most of them

[woven flint]

Dragons don't revere their deities as Gods, but moreso Kings and Queens

[molten pumice]

I'm gon come out and say it though, I'm actually super into 5.5 ranger. I like that vibe a whole lot compared to most of 5e ranger. Even the stuff that made it worth it like drakewarden doesn't appeal to me quite as much as current ranger, which might be kinda odd since I don't feel like hunter ranger changed all that much, and I think drakewarden played a big role in what new beast master became (iirc), but I've made a lot more 2024 rangers than 2014 ones (from the feel of it at least)

[woven flint]

They are indeed still Gods, but dragons are also incredibly self-respecting individuals and don't like to acknowledge powers above them that are "Godlike" as they all typically believe that they're Godlike themselves

[coarse ravine]

Oath of aincients truly only reason ya pick them is level 7 and level 20 ability is one of the best in the game.

[woven flint]

Greatwyrms being the closest thing to the power levels of deities

[coarse ravine]

I mean... plant growth around a paladin is cool too

Lockdown surrounding the smite

Channel divinity on aincients is aweful

[feral fulcrum]

Look vaguely suspicious and fiendish in public. An Alicorn with hooves that steam in the rain, accompanied by two tieflings = "Clearly something devilish is going on."

[blissful ibex]

Plant Growth is just a good spell in general <3

[coarse ravine]

Yes it is

So much cheese but incredible

[blissful ibex]

used it to take apart an ecnounter with like 12 mounted enemies which would have easilly been beyond deadly >:3

[coarse ravine]

I refuse to use it cause dms hate it lol

[blissful ibex]

I use it sparingly c:

but I 100% use it XD

[coarse ravine]

Completely shutdown non flying creatures

[worn lagoon]

Plant growth could be lv5 and it'd still be good

[blissful ibex]

it's a sphere; it hits fliers as well c:

[coarse ravine]

I only use it now for survival reasons

[molten pumice]

I typically only pay attention to stuff up to level 15, and I do like the Undying Sentinel feature on 5.5 ancients paladin. I just don't love the nature vibes quite enough to have a lot of character ideas that could use ancients over glory, devotion, or even vengeance

[coarse ravine]

If its tpk style ill use it

[coarse ravine]

Flyers can just fly over it

[molten pumice]

Like misty step and moon beam tho

[blissful ibex]

100 feet in the air doesn't leave them a ton of options to attack XD

[worn lagoon]

One of my players is running 6 archfey 2 fighter with 2014 rules so he gets to hadar and plant growth in one turn

[blissful ibex]

also thats when you hit them with a tidal wave anyway

[molten pumice]

They gotta gimme all my paladins and warlocks back... along with swashbuckler

[blissful ibex]

4d8 + 10d6 aah spell

[molten pumice]

Current Valor bard makes it hard to remember what I needed sword bard so bad for, but I want them back too

[blissful ibex]

valor + 2 levels warlock for pact weapon + EBARB is incredibly fun c:

[coarse ravine]

Ive been using this wrong this entire time 🙄

100 foot radius you are correct

[coarse ravine]

Also the 8 hour duration has aton of flavor

[blissful ibex]

DM actually enjoyed that one (aside from some technical diffulcities in the VTT)

[coarse ravine]

For dying forests etc.

[molten pumice]

I love pact of the blade so much. I often have to force myself to not make blade warlocks cause nothing speaks to me personally as much as "spawn any weapon you want whenever you want + hit them with your charisma"

[blissful ibex]

well, the 8 hour cast, 1 year duration

[blissful ibex]

used it to skip ||Yesker Hill|| in CoS

[coarse ravine]

Yeah I've used it on dying forests and towns that have poverty level food and crops

Lots of flavor and rp in that

[molten pumice]

You give me a celestial warlock with all the pact blade stuff and enough valor bard levels to mix an eldritch blast into me cutting people, you'll never find a camper so happy

[severe rampart]

My bard seems to be really good at using poison spray, for three sessions in a row they've rolled a nat 20 using it! And they rolled max damage this session!(the bard is my player)

I'm so proud

[coarse ravine]

My go to build is 1 level order cleric. 2 level fighter. 17 levels wildfire druid. With some metamagic for Asi

1 level order cleric for the party comp its alot of fun watching martials attack more

• can prep healing word and bless on the cleric 1 level. Frees up prep for the druid spell list

Also I have recently recieved candle of evocation.... wasting 1st level slots is amazing ill say lol

Its a full 18th level feature for wizards

[broken imp]

i find this to be very funny because usually when i build a bard i don't take poison spray

[coarse ravine]

As long as you got that candle on druid or cleric just endless 1st level spells hahah. Its awesome

[molten pumice]

I've recently been brought to the ball knowledge that is caster paladins. I've only made one so far, but watching frieren made me wany another one.

[coarse ravine]

Ive never done the sorcerer paladin

Ive done the token warlock paladin

[broken imp]

it's real nice, tho i like hexblade paladin

[severe rampart]

Here's what happened for three sessions

Session 2: nat 20 on poison spray, but the creature is immune, drats

Session 3: Nat 20 on poison spray, rolled a 2 and a 1 for damage

Session 4: nat 20 on poison spray, rolled 24 (max) damage

What a comeback, they bloodied the creature in one hit

[coarse ravine]

Poison worst damage type

[severe rampart]

They're a new player

[broken imp]

i'd say force or psychic is the best

[severe rampart]

And it's CoS, so not much poison immunity at the start of the game

[molten pumice]

I've done sorcer and warlock paladins, pretty much every which way a paladin can be built I imagine I've got at least 1, but doing a 5.5 paladin who is more focused on throwing spells at someone than bonking them with a smite was a new approach for me. I typically go the "how many spell slots can I get on Sir Smitesalot?" route

[coarse ravine]

Poison is ok early on when you are still facing humanoid type enemies

[broken imp]

usually int or wis saving throws are the ones u want for enemies, with silvery barbs they aren't gonna make it unless it's a dragon or smt

[coarse ravine]

Silvery is broken with order cleric lol

If its allowed at the table its incredible

The "advantage" you get to give someone.

Now they get to use that reaction to attack with advantage

Its incredible.

[severe rampart]

Yes but this isn't optimization, this is the discussion channel, pardon me but I don't really want to hear about "Poison is the worst damage type" When talking about my players amazing Nat 20

[coarse ravine]

Discussion... um new players will learn? As we all did

[broken imp]

i know fr, guidance is another one that very funny because our party had a druid and a wizard (me) both with guidance to we're spamming it

[coarse ravine]

Nat 20s are so rare tho

Does suck i agree they didn't get to have fun with it

[severe rampart]

She knows that, if she thinks creature could be resistant or immune to poison she uses other cantrips

[severe rampart]

Thats why I implemented a new house rule

First damage die is always max

Applies to both PCs and Enemies

[fresh bloom]

I had a wizard I created for a friend's campaign testing his system. She was an illusionist who performed spells through paintings she made; I described the paintings and such, since my friend's system was more open-ended in terms of spells. I wanted to recreate her in D&D, but since spells require specific components, I don't know how to adapt it. Any ideas?

[broken imp]

lol one of my player ask to do ||i'm not saying what because it is against the discord tos, and fyi i was not running a nsfw campaign just had people with very interesting mindsets|| and rolled a nat20, so i just improvised on it and said the city guard suddenly ran in chasing something

[broken imp]

have a system where the paintings would have some component cost, like wish or creation

[fathom gate]

What if i make a wizard thats just a sleep deprived college student

[ocean comet]

Is a magic item for three healing word casts per day particularly good? Like what would you put that as in terms of rarity

[fossil hollow]

Probably lower than a staff of healing

[lavish flame]

Staff of Heaing is Rare so this might be Uncommon or Common

[ocean comet]

Well yes, 3(1d4) healing is much worse than 10(2d8) healing (assuming you’re going for the cure wounds only)

[hot reef]

What’s the modifier for each Healing Word?

[ocean comet]

It’s something a player asked for starting with assuming nobody has healing, though somebody does so this is more of a theoretical thing

[broken imp]

uncommon

[lavish flame]

if your Cure Wounds is 2d8, your Healing Word should be 2d4

[inner silo]

I wander, how well dragonborn combines with elemental monk

[hot reef]

Without a modifier I’d say common, a +2 or +3 is uncommon

[ocean comet]

Oh I’m so blind yeah it’s 2d4 not 1d4

Ok 2d4 does make it WAYYYY better holy

[fossil hollow]

Seeing how needed communication is in this game...

[fossil hollow]

its also a little less than an enspelled staff, but then again, potentially no attunement and less charges

[ocean comet]

My assumption is spellcasting mod given that’s what the healing staff yses

[inner silo]

Is 27 ac good?

[viral kraken]

in a vacuum ya

[ocean comet]

Also having this item would make 100% no sense for the character story wise Lmao

[ocean comet]

Oh how does being in a vacuum affect hit chance I haven’t heard

[fossil hollow]

you have no idea what monster bonuses are

[frail wasp]

"in a vacuum" is an expression meaning "without any context"

[viral kraken]

it doesn't it affects if other things need to be considered or not

[hot reef]

Using 2024 Healing Word and a modifier, definitely uncommon

[ocean comet]

I know what it means I was making a (apparently bad) joke 😭

How would you even be doing a combat encounter in a vacuum environment

[viral kraken]

it's hard to tell online

[ocean comet]

To an extent that there’s need to be a rule for it rather

[frail wasp]

oh, fair enough --

there's a vacuum in a hardcover and it's a hold your breath affair

[ocean comet]

Fair, I’m also doing one million typos per message so I understand that I don’t come off as a thinker right now

[fossil hollow]

scares your pets too

[frail wasp]

its also dark and most nonmagical sources of light don't work in it

[viral kraken]

a fight in a bag of holding maybe? not sure. what about in the astral sea? or is that not really a vacuum?

[ocean comet]

Gotcha so frightened condition on tiny and small beasts

[fossil hollow]

Aye, no save for Tiny Beasts

Actually, dogs are medium, so Medium or smaller Beasts

[ocean comet]

I did have an idea about running a silly session that takes place in a series of bags of holdings in other bags of holdings like a fractal maze within a bag (ignoring the whole astral plane explosion thing of course)

[tawdry inlet]

Hey guys, I have a question. When does the Dice Goblin end and begins a Dice Dragon?

[ocean comet]

Intelligence saving throw to identify that it’s not actually a threat

[odd valley]

the dice goblin ends when the goblin acquires a modest hoarder of dice, thus turning them into a dice kobold

[frail wasp]

thats a question only a d6 can answer

[fossil hollow]

when you have a hoard

[viral kraken]

lol this campaign could be the "why" for why bags of holding now explode like that. like this campaign takes place before that, and the silliness makes the wizards of the world change magic so this would stop

[ocean comet]

A brand new one from the local game store

[frail wasp]

fresh and untainted by unlucky hands

[ocean comet]

Oh I don’t have them explode anyways. I feel as though the only way it could ever come up in the context of my campaign is metagaming so ehhhhh

[viral kraken]

ah fair

[ocean comet]

Also the outer planes are locked off

Also also if it happens I’ll prob just say “a bag of holding cannot be used when within another bag of holding and must be exposed to the outer-bag world for a minute to reopen” unless it’s for the fractal thing

[native junco]

Why not use The Bag Man?

hehehehehe The Bag Man

[broken imp]

lol my party got very excited to go to the astral plane so i let them do so

they also wanted to fight a beholder at lv3

[hot reef]

Do not make nested bag of holding chains longer than 3. The Bag Man will appear.

[native junco]

The Bag Man is my fav

[frail wasp]

speaking from experience?

[tawdry inlet]

And when does a hoard begin? 'cuz I have 6 sets of dice and in addition, 3 sets (one set of 10d6 and 2 sets of 10d8) I bought for spellcasting and things alike and I plan on buying another set. One with liquid inside of it. They're so pretty

[ocean comet]

We’re all new, and teleportation/interplanar travel is much much rarer in my world. Initially I cut off the planes and gods because I didn’t want to have to deal with them messing up the plot in a way they obviously would if they were normal but I ended up writing a really cool reason for their absence that will lead into a lot of other cool things as the plot goes on

[hot reef]

Not mine, had to cast Speak with Dead on the guy after turning the bag inside out

[ocean comet]

Also it means the culmination of my campaign can include all the gods returning depending on what the players do which would be sick

[last tundra]

Can i teleport to moon in dnd?

[native junco]

Dpends on DM, prob not a good idea but prob possible

[frail wasp]

y'know, thinking about it, i feel like a SpeakWithDead Man could work

[fossil hollow]

When you have adventurers, the IRS, and other thieves coming in

[last tundra]

Oh alright

[frail wasp]

cast speak with dead one too many times, and the PC in the back gets a tap on the shoulder

[fossil hollow]

Tecynically speaking in Forgotten Realms, yes. You just need to have the right Teleportation circle and know the right people

[tawdry inlet]

Welp

[last tundra]

Isnt teleportation spell good for it? I mean it teleports u to where u have already been or have seen that place, but cant it teleport you anywhere, just little more risky

[native junco]

No, but u have seen the moon before I hope

[fossil hollow]

In the Forgotten Realms, the sky is an illusion

[last tundra]

I mean technically

[severe rampart]

The sky is a what

[last tundra]

Huh

[fossil hollow]

The moon is there yes, but its not the sky itself

[native junco]

So could u teleport to the moon?

[last tundra]

I guess

[native junco]

Im invested now

[fossil hollow]

Its a giant illusion casted by some god or another and can only be cracked with a high level mage or something

[last tundra]

Lowk js teleport to the sun and burn urself

[severe rampart]

Man I really gotta get into DnD lore, besides deities and such I never knew the sky was an illusion

[frail wasp]

i actually dont think you can teleport to the moon ... i could be misremembering though

[native junco]

Okay Icarus

[last tundra]

Yoo got the reference, nice

[last tundra]

Im rlly invested in 9 realms of hell and abyss lore in dnd, this shi so interesting fr

[frail wasp]

nope nevermind, i thought like crystal spheres would block it or something, but not seeing that anywhere

[fossil hollow]

The visible side of the moon was disguised by a powerful illusion that made it appear to be an airless, barren, desolate place filled with craters and valleys. The illusion drifted about 500 miles (800 km) above the surface. It could only be revealed by a wish spell and, even so, only to the caster.

[rugged hawk]

Wait, since when was the sky an illusion?

[severe rampart]

did I say it was an illusion... it's actually an Echo

[fossil hollow]

correction, the visible part of the moon is

[rugged hawk]

Oh

[severe rampart]

ah, so an Echo part of the moon

[lavish flame]

Spelljammer bizarrely calls out that you can Teleport/Teleportatipn Circle to travel within a Wildspace System

I kinda figured Teleport wouldn't let you leave the planet ur on

[fossil hollow]

To quote a man who made a certain star game, "It just works"

[frail wasp]

yeah I ... its weird, because there's a spell exactly for travelling to other worlds, "Dream of the Blue Veil", but ... apparently you can just teleport

[umbral girder]

Teleport lets you go anywhere in the plane you are in last I checked. So not limited to a planet.

[lavish flame]

I suppose with Teleport there's a strong likelihood of just leaving yourself stranded in Wildspace

[frail wasp]

it might be mean to off-target and not at least land on the planet

[lavish flame]

I was honestly thinking about the "Similar Area" result just sending you a similar kind of planet

[frail wasp]

though reading the spell... yeah uh you could be off target by some light years I guess :X

oh you mean like, if you try to teleport to eberron ... you might end up at "eberron at home" instead?

[lavish flame]

Like if you try to teleport to Mars, you might just get teleported to some random inner planet or desert planet or something

didnt mean to list inner planet twice lmao

[frail wasp]

that'd be funny to see how long it takes for the party to realize the mishap

[inner silo]

Can you move between blows of the flurry of blows?

[frail wasp]

sure

[fossil hollow]

#dnd-rules

[inner silo]

Thanks

[lavish flame]

I allow people to, I'm not sure if thats the RAW (cuz I know Movement and Actions get finicky) but I figure most ppl let Monks move between Flurry of Blows hits

[severe rampart]

I was actually surprised to find out that no, not a lot of people let monks do it, at least I don't think they do?

[lavish flame]

I've always enjoyed the ability to split your move and fire, I guess some ppl don't

[severe rampart]

Agreed, especially when you know it'll kill just from one shot

[faint fog]

Hello!
I made the mistake of picking Dancing Lights as a cantrip. I thought it looked cool, but it's actually rather useless. So, do you guys know of any pretty cool uses of that cantrip? I'm currently level 3 if that's any useful.
-# Please ping!

[severe rampart]

No, not really, it's a party trick at best from my understanding

[fossil hollow]

Ive seen it used on a manticore as lazer pointers

[faint fog]

... Ah.
I should have listened and picked Vicious Mockery (I'm a Bard without Vicious Mockery, who does that??) but I thought it'd be fine to pick Dissonant Whispers instead. Except that's a spell so that was rather stupid of me

[fossil hollow]

Cantrips are spells

[faint fog]

Okay that's pretty cool

[severe rampart]

Vicious Mockery damage... sucks as well, but yeah

[faint fog]

Yeah I meant spells that use a slot, sorry

[severe rampart]

I guess what you could do with dancing lights is a rare scenario where you're separated from the group

[faint fog]

It does??

[severe rampart]

in a dense forest, get the lights like wayyy up high so your companions can see where you are

[fossil hollow]

Or if you dont have blindsight (funny thing about drow is that dancing lights is their form of a flashbang, which is why they got it)

[severe rampart]

It's a d6

not bad, but not good

it used to be a d4

[faint fog]

My cantrips are Dancing Lights and Minor Illusion 😔

[severe rampart]

minor illusion is decent

love using it

[fossil hollow]

lots of neat utility. Those ones are really good depending on how creative you can get and how well your DM is willing to play along

[severe rampart]

love it when my players are creative

recreated baby noises using Themauturgy to emotionally manipulate a specter

[fossil hollow]

Ive seen MI used to create cardboard/wood boxes around a character to hide, Solid Snake style

[severe rampart]

would work well with halflings

[fossil hollow]

They were a gnome (and a small rock person), so close enough

[faint fog]

Yeah Minor Illusion is cool but I should have picked a better cantrip for the other. Also I'm an elf so I don't really need light (half the party have dark vision 💀)

[severe rampart]

what type of elf

[faint fog]

Eladrin

[severe rampart]

oh 2014??

yikes

[fossil hollow]

You can use eladrin in 2024

[severe rampart]

that means vicious mockery damage is a d4

[fossil hollow]

Didnt get reprinted, so still usable

[severe rampart]

oh you can?

[faint fog]

I guess?? I'm fairly new, I just know it's 5e

[severe rampart]

I see

[fossil hollow]

Backwards compatability yeah

[severe rampart]

do you see a label saying "Legacy" next to your spell names?

[faint fog]

We play online via Foundry so I don't know where to check?

[severe rampart]

your character sheet on foundry

[paper portal]

good meowning everypony

its freezing here rn for some reason

[severe rampart]

you don't have to say everypony y'know... you could just say everybody /reference

[native junco]

Its 5 o clock somewhere (somewhere is here)

[faint fog]

But I thought it was a must-have for bards?

[severe rampart]

it is 5 o clock here where I'm from, AM though

[faint fog]

How come it's so bad?

[fossil hollow]

its a classic, not a must have

[severe rampart]

No one said it was good, it's just that the videos of people who say "nat 20 on vicious mockery" larp a roleplaying game

[fossil hollow]

Love Perception Check

[paper portal]

truth nuke

[native junco]

My Fav is Death Saving Throw

[paper portal]

?

[severe rampart]

Yeah I hate the stereotypes and flanderization of D&D classes

[faint fog]

Yep

[native junco]

Rogues aren't always thieves and all that

[severe rampart]

Don't take vicious mockery, you can punch someone and deal more damage than it

[lavish flame]

You definitely still want Light tho, without it you still have Disadvantage when trying to see in darkness

[paper portal]

yeah it pmo so much

[near karma]

the humble bullseye lantern:

[native junco]

Or just see in darkness with 90% of races

[severe rampart]

sorry, I shouldn't say that, you can take Vicious Mockery if you want to :D

[fossil hollow]

... ok, now thats just an overstatement, unless youre a STARD

[lavish flame]

this guy doesn't want a sword and shield in his hands while being able to see

[paper portal]

you cant call people that anymore /silly

[idle oar]

Hey folks - a reminder again that this is not #character-discussion or #optimization - please take releavent topics to the best specific channel for them.

[fossil hollow]

what?

[severe rampart]

yeah I'm just a little tee'd off that the damage is so low, but what can ya do

[fossil hollow]

Its same damage as a thorn whip

[faint fog]

I actually asked about that and DM said damage from punching was Strength modifier +1.
I have -1 so that's literally 0

[fossil hollow]

exactly

unless youre a STR Bard, mocking people will always deal more damage

Oh ig or a Dance bard

[paper portal]

kinda wanna do a level-by-level analysis of warlock spell slots assuming the suggested 2 short rests per day because theyre so often underrated ngl

[fossil hollow]

Almost forgot Dance bard use BI and DEX for Unarmed

[native junco]

This is def an optimization channel idea

[faint fog]

DM said I should take it when I get to level 4 but now I'm not so sure

[lavish flame]

I've got a Lore Bard PC in my Wildemount game who has been taking up weapons because they're currently better than his cantrips and he only has support spells

[severe rampart]

no, no, don't let me keep you from doing it, vicious mockery can be really fun when you get creative with it

and if your DM is cool he could rule of cool it to do extra damage for example

[faint fog]

Oh right, sorry, I probably sent my question in the wrong channel and that's what started it, I apologize

[paper portal]

honestly just look at the options yourself and decide from there which you prefer, they all have pros and cons