dnd-discussion

[tough lynx]

I was saying that the tables it would be a problem no one plays martials there

[flint ledge]

I mean having a lot of monster effects be an automatic proc on a hit feels appropriate in some cases but on a paralyze of incapacitated?

[robust fable]

Funnily, this idea that optimization is about chasing numbers is... false

The heighest lvl of optimization dpr is a teritary thing

[humble cairn]

Plenty of people like to play martials.

[knotty pasture]

So it exists, but only if you zoom in close kind of thing

[tough lynx]

Never said they didn’t

[robust fable]

But that doesn't make them not bad

[humble cairn]

Close and in a very specific direction.

[knotty pasture]

But pretending it doesn't exist is also not really it either

[humble cairn]

They're not bad. Because the measure of good/bad is how much fun any player has with them, making it inherently subjective.

[knotty pasture]

Everything's balanced if you ignore the bad and the ugly parts of it, which is certainly a take but

Huh, feeling a sense of deja vu

[humble cairn]

They're bad for you if you don't find them fun, it's not a universal thing.

[flint ledge]

I mean I do have a monk player I gave an extra d6 through a magic item and he's been absolutely rocking monsters shit

[robust fable]

Okay i was talking about mechanical point of view

Maybe i should have said weak over bad

[humble cairn]

Which again goes to my point about trying to make the mechanically "best" character is only one play style and not the only correct one.

[knotty pasture]

No you should have called it balanced, look what you did, opening up pandora's box like that /s

[paper portal]

hi again chat i watched a yt video and completely lost track of the conversation :3c

[knotty pasture]

Martials vs casters discourse, that is all

[tough lynx]

Based meowa

[paper portal]

casters are better except bard cus bards are useless /silly

[tough lynx]

Clerics are actually the worst full caster

[knotty pasture]

I'm one step closer to making the Dhampir on bg3 but spells are funny

[burnt valley]

Bards are like Rogues if it was good

[paper portal]

dont diss my goat like that

[knotty pasture]

Nah no way, isn't it Bard or something

[tough lynx]

It’s cleric

By a big margin

[paper portal]

bards do better at high levels cus of magical secrets but until then cleric mogs

[knotty pasture]

You mean the funny spinning wheel of death ain't it? 😭

[robust fable]

Its either Cleric or Bard

[humble cairn]

I, too, have tried to convince a player at my group that Berserker '14 was a "bad" subclass to pick, but he went and picked it anyway. And you know what? He had the time of his life because being mechanically "good" wasn't his priority and didn't impact his fun. Therefor it was not bad. Because the whole point is to have fun. And I learned my lesson.

[burnt valley]

Cleric has very limited options for high op

[robust fable]

Okay. Nobody said that they are not fun

[knotty pasture]

Damn, the spinning wheel of death really ain't it

[paper portal]

the bard spell list is so disappointing though

[knotty pasture]

Its okay my Aasimar Cleric concept I still love you

[burnt valley]

The only ones worth taking is like Spirit Guardians, Healing Word and Bless right? Correct me if im wrong

[paper portal]

bards are magical secrets merchants ngl

[tough lynx]

Want me to send you the “cleric isn’t it” article

[knotty pasture]

Here I thought Druid wasn't it once upon a time, before I stumbled into the joys and wonders that is unrestricted Conjure Animals

[paper portal]

sure

[knotty pasture]

Sure go for it

[paper portal]

yeah druid > sorc imo

[tough lynx]

Yes but that’s better than cleric probably

[tough lynx]

They are roughly equal

[paper portal]

yeah for sure

i definitely lean towards druid though, i like their spells a lot more

[knotty pasture]

Btw, what's the closest Sorc subclass counterpart to Genie Warlock? Having a hard time deciding whether Clockwork or Lunar is closer

[tough lynx]

https://bootbrew.blog/2022/08/29/blasphemous-prosperity-the-great-schism/

[robust fable]

Its like

S tier: Wizard

A tier: Druid/Warlock

B tier: Sorcerer>Bard/Cleric>Ranger

C tier: Paladin, Artificer

D tier: gap

E tier: Monk>Fighter

F tier: Rogue/Barb

[paper portal]

draconic for the damage bonus of course :3

[knotty pasture]

Apparently lunar magic is a real thing which hurts my brain

[paper portal]

idk what warlocks did to get that high but im not complaining

[knotty pasture]

Besides Draconic, like between Clockwork and Lunar -- Or are they both too far out there

[tough lynx]

Let casters go for 140 encounter days

[humble cairn]

Telling people that a subclass is "the best/worst" or "bad/good" is subjecting them to your own preferences and denying them the chance to learn for themselves what they find fun. Sure telling them that a build is bad at X task is great because they can use that consideration, but poitn blank "Ranger bad" for example, is toxic. so many times I have been helping people in #character-discussion who come to chat absolutely convinced they cannot play Rogue or Ranger because internet chatter told them it was bad, but after a lot of convincing and trying it out, they had the time of their lives. I constantly have to undo the toxic stereotypes spread by internet chatter about different classes being "the worst."

[tough lynx]

Ranger is good though

[burnt valley]

Less strain on caster slots

[humble cairn]

It's frustrating.

[paper portal]

ranger bad is toxic because rangers arent bad, rogue bad isnt toxic because rogues are bad /silly

[knotty pasture]

Excellent multiclass option, good control options, no shield spell sucks when monoclassing but you can just grab moderately armored

The Ranger bad folks haven't tried out the artstyle that is Gloom Stalker

[tough lynx]

Also ranger gets conjure animal on top of good damage

[knotty pasture]

Rogue is uhh... Sorry Rogue, I promise we loved you

[tough lynx]

I don’t :enjoyer:

[humble cairn]

Yes, I know this from actually playing Ranger, but I have lost count of people who come in wanting to play something that would be a perfect fit for Ranger but no, "Ranger sucks, I can't play that!" And trying to do some weird multiclass to accomplish the very same thing.

[knotty pasture]

Dammit

[paper portal]

rogue has assassin at least which is a whopping 1 good feature

[knotty pasture]

Lmao Trickster and Phantom is cool too

[humble cairn]

Rogue is also good, because the measure of how good a class is is how much fun they are to any particular player. That's it.

[tough lynx]

Trickster is best monoclass but that’s still bad

[burnt valley]

The only Rogue thing that exists is Assassin at 2014 as a prestige class for Gloomstalker Ranger

[knotty pasture]

Tbh wouldn't Trickster benefit from multiclassing to Wizard to fix the spell slot issue

[paper portal]

to be fair assassin 3 is a really cool ability

and it applies to spells too although thats a lot more niche

[knotty pasture]

Its Soulknife that literally can't multiclass

[tough lynx]

Yes the best arcane trickster is 1 peace cleric/19 chron

[humble cairn]

So if people would just stop spreading toxic "X Class is bad" memes, that would be appreciated.

[burnt valley]

At that point, may as well go full Wizard with artificer dip

[robust fable]

Um

Not really

Just don't take any Rogue lvls

[knotty pasture]

But I want to stab people

[paper portal]

broken strat

[knotty pasture]

... No? Alright, back to throwing spells it is

[tough lynx]

You start of taking one level of wiz

Then 2

[paper portal]

to be fair best warlock only takes 2 warlock levels and theyre still awesome

[robust fable]

Nah

[tough lynx]

Then you get second level spells

[tough lynx]

Nope

[knotty pasture]

Send help btw, and only those two options

[robust fable]

Cleric 1/DSS 1/Warlock x

[paper portal]

ooh whats the strat for that

[tough lynx]

Clock is usually better

[knotty pasture]

No like thematic and lore wise

[tough lynx]

Oh

Ummm idc

[knotty pasture]

Well crap

[robust fable]

Which option for Genie?

[burnt valley]

Warlock dips are somewhat real in 2024, you can use three stacks of Rod of the Pact Keeper +1s for an effective 4 9th level spell slots

[knotty pasture]

Dao

[robust fable]

Then Clockwork

[tough lynx]

1 twi cleric for T1 sleep

[knotty pasture]

Bet

[robust fable]

And armor ofc

[knotty pasture]

Is it because of the earth and metal connection

[paper portal]

and dss for spells i assume

[robust fable]

Yes

[knotty pasture]

Bet, that's my character outline all set

[tough lynx]

Go lock until 5 or 6 depending on if your sub feature

[robust fable]

Shield+Absorb Elements mainly

[tough lynx]

And save protection

[paper portal]

oh start sorc for con saves? makes sense

[tough lynx]

Then go the rest in lock

[knotty pasture]

Wait I hope you're saying yes to Genie and Clockwork thematically (earth and metal) not to the part about shield and absorb elements

[robust fable]

Only if you start at higher lvls

Like in a 10-20 adventure for example

[paper portal]

by that point you have resilient anyways i assume

[tough lynx]

The meta used to be 1 DSS the rest lock

But we discovered that 1 twi is almost always better as a level 1

[paper portal]

yeah thats rly cool ngl

and it means you arent locked into hexblade for heavy armor

[tough lynx]

Hex gets medium armour

[burnt valley]

Twi is also for advantage on initiative right?

[tough lynx]

Yup!

[paper portal]

yeah thats what i meant lol slow brain moment :3c

[tough lynx]

It’s chill

[paper portal]

good to see twilight's level 1 features get more love though they were always kinda overshadowed by the cd

[tough lynx]

Also we filtered out the guy who wasn’t fun to talk to!

[inner silo]

is conjure animals actually better then call lightning? or rather, is it better by a big margin?

[tough lynx]

So much better

[paper portal]

yeah its like a top 3 3rd level spell

which is a pretty high bar

[inner silo]

ig it does lose the action cost. but call lightning has a 60 foot radius and does more damage during a storm

[knotty pasture]

Call Lightning is kinda mid

[tough lynx]

^

[burnt valley]

Lul!

[paper portal]

surely my favourite plant growth is better than conjure animals though right

[inner silo]

no concentration aoe spell that lasts is always great

[burnt valley]

Uhh depends on what u want at the current situation ngl

[paper portal]

gotta maintain the agenda

[inner silo]

its one of the best spells for a farming simulator

[paper portal]

truth nuke

[tough lynx]

Spike is so good though

Have you guys heard of form of dread? The article not the feature

[paper portal]

also nature clerics are peak, dare i say second best cleric sub (for mainclassing, its a nothing sub for dips lol)

[knotty pasture]

Druid really is packed with all sorts of good level 3 spells the more I think about it

[paper portal]

free absorb elements is awesome

[inner silo]

spike growth + sea druid is op

[paper portal]

mhm :3

[tough lynx]

I don’t know 2024

[burnt valley]

The form of dread blog has a lot of great advice for Warlock builds, most of which still holds up even in 2024

[paper portal]

meh ill always try to stick with 2014 anyways

[inner silo]

sea druid lets you push a creature 10 feet away as a bonus action on every turn for 10 minutes and deal cold damage for a wildshape

[knotty pasture]

Based decision

[tough lynx]

Same

[knotty pasture]

I would have changed my nickname to I hate 2024 if it wasn't also gonna start multiple flame wars

[inner silo]

why do you hate it?

[tough lynx]

Fod released an article a few weeks/ months back idk about the most optimal party and it’s so interesting

Highly recommend reading

[knotty pasture]

Well rather than hating it, I hate 2024 shoved down my throat constantly

[paper portal]

the one change i do really like about 2024 is aoa but thats such a minor thing

[tough lynx]

Do it

[paper portal]

ooh that does sound cool lemme go find it

[inner silo]

thats fair tbh

[tough lynx]

2 wiz 2 lock baby!!!

[paper portal]

awesome???

[knotty pasture]

Before I deliberately mentioned 2014/5e only, half the convos I'm in would end up with "but ackchyually in 2024, this and that happens!!!"

[tough lynx]

It sparked others in the high op community to make their own

So we have 2wiz 2 lock
2 wiz 1 lock 1 sorc

[burnt valley]

I hate 2024 for what it did to summon spells , they became t*sha summons

[paper portal]

straight off the rip earth genasi is fire also

[tough lynx]

2 wiz 1 lock 1 Druid

[inner silo]

ig most people here assumee the newest version of the game is whats being discussed ig

[knotty pasture]

May as well have me constantly talk about bg3 changes like its the one true way lol

"Conjuration Wizard sucks!!"
"Why? No it doesn't"
"Yes it does, because in bee gee three you can only summon a puddle of water once per short rest instead of whatever funny stuff you can do with Minor Conjuration!!"

[paper portal]

surely theres a party where cleric is optimal right right

[burnt valley]

Matryoshka doll of fishing bears

[burnt valley]

Only as a dip

[paper portal]

average transmutation wizard experience tbh

[knotty pasture]

Anyways I'm looking into buffing Conjuration Wizard in bg3 away from its meme status

[inner silo]

is conjurstion wizard bad in bg3? i thought summons are op there from my experience

[tough lynx]

It’s fine in bg3

[tough lynx]

It’s so much worse

[knotty pasture]

Its mostly cuz Minor Conjuration got replaced with this terrible weird spell

Create Water once per short rest lmao

[tough lynx]

https://bootbrew.blog/2022/06/20/to-conjure-the-world-minor-conjuration-and-you/

Read this

[burnt valley]

Make conj tech real in bg3 as a mod

[tough lynx]

Conj wizard is peak

[knotty pasture]

So now I'm looking into Conjuration Wizard but you can actually make grenades, potions, utility items etc once per short rest

At higher levels you'd be able to make runepowder barrels

[burnt valley]

We love catapult munitions

[tough lynx]

In 2014 it’s not once per short rest

[knotty pasture]

Its cheesy but isn't that what Conjuration in tabletop is about

Well yes but if I actually let people spam make runepowder barrels no one would ever download the mod

[tough lynx]

:enjoyer:

[burnt valley]

Actually make astral font water real too

[knotty pasture]

A tiny bit of restraint to move it away from pseudo cheating

Long resting is free anyways at late game it doesn't matter

[inner silo]

ok this is amazing for dnd. I do think it would be difficult to translate to bg3 though

[knotty pasture]

I am trying my best thank you

[tough lynx]

Infinite cast 7th level spells

[knotty pasture]

That's probably not making it in lol the UI would be nuts to start

[tough lynx]

Also since this there have been new developments like arcane abeyance being possible

[burnt valley]

Mirage Arcane coronal ejection in bg3

[knotty pasture]

Explosives is the furthest I'd go, embrace the barrelmancy meme

[tough lynx]

All wizard spells below level 5 spells being action cast

[knotty pasture]

With enough short rests you can just blow up every encounter late game, the end

[paper portal]

anyways chat gotta go, yall are chill :3

[tough lynx]

Byyeeeeee

[knotty pasture]

Hell yea

[burnt valley]

See ya myowwa

[tough lynx]

Also come join us on the fod discord

[knotty pasture]

Send fod discord link to me

[burnt valley]

We are pretty chill, the only requirement is that you must believe bears are fish

[burnt valley]

Check dms

[knotty pasture]

Gottem

[inner silo]

how good is tidal wave?

[paper portal]

sure :3 dm me the link too

[paper portal]

in dnd or irl? cus i find one of those much more believable

[burnt valley]

Dnd, its an inside joke lol

[tough lynx]

I don’t think it’s that good I’ve never seen a high opper take it

[inner silo]

can it be pretty good as a control spell for a mainly melee focused party fot the aoe prone?

[tough lynx]

From how you described it sleet storm is just better

[inner silo]

mb meant for a melee party

[tough lynx]

Oh

Melee is bad…

Not optimal i should say

[inner silo]

its more fun

[tough lynx]

You may feel that I feel differently

[inner silo]

we have a melee shocking grasp warlock (2024 so invocations work with shocking grasp) so theres no word about optimisation at all

or not as much

[tough lynx]

If you enjoy playing that way that’s fine

[inner silo]

though sleet storm does looke like a great suggestion

[tough lynx]

I enjoy high op

[tough lynx]

Sleet is my favourite spell

[knotty pasture]

Sleet and Counterspell in 2024 😭

[inner silo]

is sleet storm bad in 2024?

[tough lynx]

Destroys any melee enemies and some casters

[inner silo]

only problem i could see with it is its heavily obscured so you most likely wont see whats going on there either

[tough lynx]

Cantrips don’t require line of sight

If both people cannot see each other they have both advantage and advantage

[inner silo]

do weapon attacks do?

[knotty pasture]

iirc its cuz the area got nerfed hard

[tough lynx]

Therefore it’s a normal roll

[tough lynx]

Nope

[inner silo]

its a 20 foot cylynder

[inner silo]

so since the enemy cant see you so you get advantage but you cant see the enemy so you have disadvantage its just a straight roll?

[tough lynx]

Correct

[inner silo]

could the enemy being prone stack and give you advantage?

[tough lynx]

It’s the same reason that fog cloud is better for fighting invisible targets than see invisibility

[tough lynx]

Nope

Jus one source of advantage cancels out all the disadvantages

[inner silo]

you would need to know where the target is to hit it though no?

[tough lynx]

See invisiblity does nothing RAW

[tough lynx]

You know where they are

[inner silo]

how though?

[tough lynx]

You only don’t know if they are hiding

[tough lynx]

The rules

[inner silo]

ig i dont understand how invisibility works

anyway thanks for the help!

[tough lynx]

In is just means you can’t see them you still know where they are

[tough lynx]

It’s okay

[tough lynx]

No problem

[inner silo]

its if they use the hide action, correct?

[tough lynx]

Correct

Otherwise assume them walking makes noise

[inner silo]

i feel like that removes the point of invisibility

[tough lynx]

Yeah invis is silly

[reef tundra]

I honestly prefer it over just never being able to hit an invisible enemy

In BG3 and games where DMs run it like BG3 invisibility is an easy way to make my blood boil

[humble cairn]

Ask your DM, many DM's use some fairly common sense homebrew. Because RAW gets silly sometimes.

[reef tundra]

Although as a DM I do have leniency when players use it

[inner silo]

||ok tbh i did hate all the invisible bg3 encounters, especially the counting house vault one||

[humble cairn]

No spoilers please

[knotty pasture]

||Its a knowledge check, bring your damn aoe and faerie fires!!||

Crap just pinged oops

[inner silo]

its ok. Actually please do ping me, i can often miss messages without it

[inner silo]

right mb

[inner silo]

||my druid ran out of spell slots atp, i thought it was going to be an easy fight cuz my paladin was still stacked😔||

[keen valve]

Use bombs.

Solution to any D&D situation: explosives.

Not have explosives? Make them.

[inner silo]

that would have actually solved the problem. Thanks!

[keen valve]

It solved all my problems, personally, I blew up everyone.

Frog woman, bomb, not-vampire, bomb, magic man, bomb, shadow girl, bomb, etc.

[humble cairn]

A wise man once said: "Anytime I had a problem and I threw a Molotov cocktail...Boom! Right away, I had a different problem."

[keen valve]

And another wise man responded: "It isn't unless you make it yours, come on let's go out the back."

[humble cairn]

Artillerist and Rogue conversation.

[keen valve]

But as a controversial statement, the real way to play BG3 is to play it solo with no companions. Because, like every other rpg, we know real winners do everything by themselves and no one else. It's the courier, not the courier and friends. It's the dragonborn, not dragonborn and friends. It's doom guy, not doom guy and friends. Doom isn't an rpg but my point remains.

(This is possible btw, it's really hard, but bg3 solo is possible.)

[remote wadi]

I quickly get burnt out solo. I'd prefer to find a good group

[tough lynx]

Minor conjuration

[keen valve]

Minor explosive is better than no explosive.

[tough lynx]

No minor conjuration is able to make any bomb

Catapult munitions is really good

Tangled grenades have the control ability of a second level spell

Just at will

[tough lynx]

I prefer playing with a party and ebarbing everyone while the Druid is wild shaped into a spider for infinite web

[humble cairn]

About that .. is there a strategy for the caster who has cast an important Control spell to just vacate the combat to protect their Concentration? I have encountered that just once and I was honestly unhappy with it. They might have Banished one of the strong enemies, but there were still others and us being down one party member seemed not great, but even more it was just one player not participating in the encounter at all. Isn't it kind of un-fun to do that?

[tough lynx]

Druid uses web every turn? I don’t know what you mean? The spider web doesn’t require conc. also it’s me and one other person. Also also Druid has a wizard dip to cast ray of frost. (May change it to a warlock dip tbh)

[humble cairn]

Oh so specifically what you were mentioning was using the Giant Spider ability to web people up rather than having cast Web and then shrunk to a tiny spider to avoid combat, I see. My question still stands, but it's not related to your scenario.

[tough lynx]

I don’t exit people from combat I don’t find it fun

I do however enjoy casting sleet storm and then spamming cantrips

[limber trail]

Instead of a class dip could you take magic initiate and pick it up that way?

[tough lynx]

I mean yeah but I also want scroll scribing

Anime dead

[humble cairn]

-# Hee hee, anime dead.

[tough lynx]

I guess I could go spores but I don’t like spores too much

[paper portal]

spores is L

if they give it the aoa treatment in 24 itll be cool though

[tough lynx]

Anime dead is the whole subclass

Especially in bg3

Actually no

It’s that in table top too

Anime dead is a good spell but like… not worth

[inner silo]

on a relatively melee druid which is a better origin feat? magic initiate for shield or tough

[tough lynx]

Magic initiate but melee is bad tbh

[undone rain]

Oh boy our 8 people campaign isnt going great

[tough lynx]

How are you loosing with 8 people?

[inner silo]

i want to push enemies back and forth through spike growth but i need to go into melee for that

[tough lynx]

How many encounters per day?

[undone rain]

We arent losing its just chaos

[tough lynx]

Or you could go 2 levels into warlock

[tough lynx]

Ahhhh

Ebarb

[inner silo]

im not multiclassing warlock. doesnt fir my character

[undone rain]

We are definetly not doing this again😭

[tough lynx]

Doing what?

[inner silo]

also thanks for the help

[undone rain]

Have 8 people, its too many

[inner silo]

i have 6 and im struggling

[undone rain]

We are splitting the groups once we are done

[tough lynx]

Fairs

[inner silo]

can bladeward be cast as a reaction on an ally with warcaster?

[vale kettle]

No

When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack. The spell must have a casting time of 1 action and must target only that creature.

[inner silo]

so you can give bladeward to your enemy?

[glass granite]

In 2024 I think it’s a bit more contentious

[vale kettle]

If you want i guess

[inner silo]

2024: When a creature provokes an Opportunity Attack from you by leaving your reach, you can take a Reaction to cast a spell at the creature rather than making an Opportunity Attack. The spell must have a casting time of one action and must target only that creature.

[glass granite]

That just begs the question if you can OA an ally

[tough lynx]

Specific beats general warcaster says you can target any creature

[inner silo]

You can make an Opportunity Attack when a creature that you can see leaves your reach using its action, its Bonus Action, its Reaction, or one of its speeds. To make the Opportunity Attack, take a Reaction to make one melee attack with a weapon or an Unarmed Strike against the provoking creature. The attack occurs right before the creature leaves your reach. See also chapter 1 (“Combat”).

[glass granite]

Nothing seems amiss there

[vale kettle]

Wdym

[inner silo]

i think i could do it with resistance even better then as that one doesnt require concentration

[loud tendon]

Blade ward only casts on yourself.
Range of self and states "attack rolls against you"

[humble cairn]

No, because Self is the only legal target for Blade Ward, which makes it ineligible for the War Caster OA.

[inner silo]

ah oki

[tough lynx]

War caster states you hit a creature not a hostile creature

[humble cairn]

If you want a fun spell to cast on an enemy with War Caster, try Levitate.

[tough lynx]

Spells can opportunity attack allies

It’s not that good but it’s fine

[vale kettle]

Actually using war caster on an ally to grant them like cantrip bonus is big brain ngl

[humble cairn]

In 2024 yes you can War Caster a friendly.

[loud tendon]

2024 war caster is worded that way.. 2014 specifically said hostile creature.

[inner silo]

idk if thats avalible to druids

[vale kettle]

But i think its a massive waste

[glass granite]

The only counter argument I’ve heard from 2024 warcastering allies is the text “Combatants watch for enemies to drop their guard. If you move heedlessly past your foes, you put yourself in danger by provoking an Opportunity Attack.”

[stark arch]

can i use the wish spell to summon "Sub-Niggurath" ?

[glass granite]

A what

[inner silo]

whatever your dm agrees with

[glass granite]

I consider this to just be flavour text tho

[stark arch]

a misformed creature so vile that made has several goat mounds morfed into its body and its the size of a large flat

[inner silo]

tbh its not even that op outside of some rare cases

[humble cairn]

Depending on how your DM interprets War Caster, you could do Entangle. (Entangle can be targeted so it only affects one creature, satisfying the "only targets that creature" unless your DM counts targeting an area as targeting more than that creature.

[undone rain]

Holy shit i actually succeded the stealth check with full plate

[humble cairn]

Well then maybe Hold Person.

[vale kettle]

Well no the feat says it can only target that creature, Aoes don’t target anything.

They target an area

[humble cairn]

Yes, I mentioned that.

[inner silo]

youll likely be in the area too so theres that

[humble cairn]

But it's a valid interpretation to say that if it only affects the creature that it is targeting only that creature, as well. There was some specific language about what consititutes targeting, but I think it was 2014.

[humble cairn]

Not if you place it so the enemy is at the near edge of the area.

Hmm okay so according to Targeting rules, "A spell’s description says whether the spell targets creatures, objects, or something else." So I guess a spell that targets an area is ineligible for War Caster.

[reef tundra]

Since Asmodeus is a full god, I’d assume he’s viable to be chosen as a cleric’s god. If so, what domains would Asmodeus have?

Trickery comes to mind but any others?

[obtuse stratus]

Knowledge, Order, Trickery

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Asmodeus

Check the 5e stuff not 5eR

[wintry island]

Hello there

[mild lodge]

ok but thoughts abt a beholder with beholders for eyes?

[severe rampart]

I thought beholders were eyes?

[mild lodge]

ok beholders in their pupil there is that better

[obtuse stratus]

Do you think a beholder would dream of beholders with beholder eyes?

[flint ledge]

Hey hey

[wintry island]

Hi!

[obtuse stratus]

Hello.

[wintry island]

Where do I talk normally? Also I’m a newcomer looking for a dnd lol.

[loud tendon]

About d&d in generalisties? Here.

For a little extra help for new folks (helpful links and more openness to intro questions) #dnd-newcomers

Talk that is not about d&d belongs in #non-dnd-topics

Hi and welcome!

[wintry island]

Thank you so much!

[remote wadi]

Anyone know any good places for a play by post campaign?

[wintry island]

Wish I could help but I’m new lol

[obtuse stratus]

everyone links find a community for that #looking-for-community

[serene jolt]

The majority of the dnd communities are PbP. You'll find one.
(I learned that the hard way. I only like live games but the vast majority of the servers are not.)

[obtuse stratus]

I think that's essentially what the communities are, that or West Marches.

Personally I find a West Marches with background PbP to be ideal

[paper portal]

the way i see it is that live play is better but scheduling problems and such can make it difficult to run

[balmy juniper]

Hello.

[obtuse stratus]

Hello, hi, I would like to schedule an appointment.

[balmy juniper]

Guys predictions for 6e?

[paper portal]

thats a way off yet we only just got 5.5

[balmy juniper]

Closer than you think

[obtuse stratus]

VTT only, pay by the word

[paper portal]

i hope they finally add game balance

[obtuse stratus]

I mean if it'a VTT only it could work 4e style

[balmy juniper]

I hope they make humans trash again 💀

[paper portal]

you can make humans trash just play 5e and ban vuman

base human is like the worst race in all of 5e

[balmy juniper]

Guys what race do you main?

[obtuse stratus]

Human

[balmy juniper]

Yes I am a high elf.

[paper portal]

i try to play a different race every character but probably vuman the most just cus its busted

rn im a mark of passage human though :3 theyre pretty cool

[obtuse stratus]

I play human with race as class, I play human with race and class, I like my fantasy less demi centric

[balmy juniper]

I play high elf Draconic Sorcerer mainly

[obtuse stratus]

Makes me miss Dragon Disciple. Ur'Hawk the barbarian, human draconic blood sorcerer/barbarian/dragon disciple

Turned out his 14 in Int made him the smartest in the party

[balmy juniper]

Draconic Sorcerer is super fun to play 🙂

[paper portal]

idk i find them kinda underwhelming

[balmy juniper]

Hot take

[obtuse stratus]

This, of course, was back when Int =Skills and sorcerers only got 2+Int points per level

[paper portal]

thats a pretty cold take its generally considered to be the worst sorc sub afaik

[balmy juniper]

Eh not really

[paper portal]

obviously like clockwork aberrant dss are a league above but thats what expanded spell lists do to you

[balmy juniper]

My friend play half-dragonborn, half-drow elf.

I'm not even sure if it's allowed

[paper portal]

depends, are they combining the features of both or just playing a slightly reflavoured half elf

[obtuse stratus]

Everything was going well for Ur'Hawk until he encountered a Library, a magical place FILLED with books. Not just a few in a tent, FILLED. He became a Barbrarian after that, terror of those with late fees

[paper portal]

lmao

[balmy juniper]

Combined both.

[paper portal]

well its not a thing you can do in the rules but obviously if the dm allows it its fine

[balmy juniper]

Yeah.

We have a co-Dm sometimes

[paper portal]

all im saying is that my character is 1/8th locathah so i get advantage on all their saves

[stiff rock]

has anyone tried out the pugilist yet? not sure if it's good or not

[balmy juniper]

I personally haven't.

[obtuse stratus]

I mostly play Race as Class so it's usually human, although they have created a few more interesting RaC classes like a Dwarven Runesmith sooo, take what you can get with 3d6dtl

[paper portal]

yeah im not a fan of beyond so i dont play the stuff only on it

[humble cairn]

A Fractal Beholder?

I will create one and name him Mandelbrot.

[obtuse stratus]

Would a beholder dream of it?

[humble cairn]

Sure, it's possible, why not?

[obtuse stratus]

Approved, by the rules of beholders it works

[humble cairn]

Mandelbrot, the Infinite Eye. A narcissist like any other Beholder, but one who has something many of them don't .. perspective.

[obtuse stratus]

Short range all around antimagic eye field, with a large cone in front, 36 shorter range smaller effect eye rays. Absolute nightmare up close

[tough lynx]

Lunar is pretty good too but ehh

[obtuse stratus]

When you get really really close he has like 200 eye rays of even smaller effect

[paper portal]

i like storm and aberrant the most :3

[obtuse stratus]

When you get right up on an eye stalk there are teeny tiny eyerays, millions of them, they can zap the hairs off you

[tough lynx]

Storm is meh

[humble cairn]

"If reality consists of sensory perceptions, and we cannot logically prove that there is any truth to them besides simply perceptions, that must mean that all of reality is simply sensory data and nothing else, requiring an observer in order to sustain the existence of everything that is real. And I am the ultimate observer .. in truth, I am the only thing that is real in all of existence. The rest of you are simply something I dreamed up."

[tough lynx]

Abbmind is spood

[paper portal]

yeah it has some cool stuff tho

[tough lynx]

Fairs

IMO it goes clock, abb, DSS, lunar >>>>>>> everything else

[obtuse stratus]

This then goes back to the question: Does a medusa beholder sleep with 1 pillow or 100 a million tiny pillows

[humble cairn]

If you let Mandelbrot talk to you, it is a Power Word Kill. Only if you die to it you don't disappear, you simply become a lucid dream that Mandelbrot now controls.

As he convinces you that you don't actually exist.

[tough lynx]

25 preped spells at level 10 is really good

[undone rain]

Im gonna play a poor paladin some time. Wanderin knight searching to help any people they can

[paper portal]

yeah expanded spell list is just busted

[tough lynx]

Yeah

[idle oar]

?books

[cosmic roost]

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[idle oar]

It's a moderator command

[balmy juniper]

Ok.

[obtuse stratus]

Our table-mancer actually has a playable beholder class (RaC) he made.

[obtuse stratus]

My Oathbreaker is like this

[undone rain]

Oh cool

[tough lynx]

Oathbreaker pally and watchers pally are the only ones I would ever play. I like the init boost and the summon undead

[obtuse stratus]

Essentially if he's there he considers it his duty to save anyone he can, but he is cast out for not collecting fees and for failure to let those who are dying move on and die

[undone rain]

Damn very cool idea, mind if i base a lil of my character on it aswell?

[obtuse stratus]

Yeah go for it, sharing is caring

[undone rain]

Thanks so much

[obtuse stratus]

Oh the specifics are he was cast out frim the Church of Myrkul for those reasons, he is a true beleiver in the beauty of death, bringing comfort to those close to their time, etc etc he just sees beauty in life as well and cares too much to charge everyone fees for service if it costs him little and it would make even a small part of the world better. He sends more than enough to Myrkul to make up for those he saves, though 😉

[undone rain]

Ahh an antivillian

Cool cool

[obtuse stratus]

I don't even think the Church of Myrkul is really that villainous, but yeah he'd definitely be one as an Oathbreaker

[undone rain]

Maybe, still cool tho. Broke his oath and yet still serves the side of good

I always like characters with dark powers that use em for good

[wispy vector]

Oathbreaker are people that specifically pursue dark/evil goals though

[marble lion]

just ignore the class flavour

[wispy vector]

Fair

[marble lion]

way of mercy monks dont need to wear masks either

and barbarian rage can be something that isnt rage

[undone rain]

Yeah you can do whatever with your character afterall

[marble lion]

uphold the mechanics and youre barely really homebrewing

church of myrkuls purpose is to spread respect for death
but also fear

and ofc his strong worshippers pursue lichdom

theyre definitely a lot more handsoff than other evil cults but they are still an evil cult from the looks of it

[obtuse stratus]

Strangely coming from an evil cult of the dead (which honestly is more like Funerary and terminal care made into a church) whose only real negative I can find is $$$ and supporting necromancy, and then over to someone who does the same thing while also saving those he can, and not charging fees, puts him... well exactly where I would think a Paladin of Myrkul would be (the oathbreaker stuff is very thematic for Myrkul)

[marble lion]

terminal care?

[undone rain]

Myrkuls just sillyyyyyy

[marble lion]

they want people to be afraid of death
they talk about it taking you when you least want it

[obtuse stratus]

"Myrkulytes viewed death with profound respect and took great care to help those who were dying feel as comfortable as possible"

Sounds like terminal care

[marble lion]

thats very strange and contradicting my reading but alright

i guess there are both types of myrkulites

[obtuse stratus]

"They believed that death was an inevitability of life, an aspect that mortals should not attempt to flee. As such, they held the influence of the dead in extremely high regard."

[undone rain]

And then theres sharrans, we dont talk about sharrans

[obtuse stratus]

You're supposed to fear touching a myrkulite priest, for death will follow, but at the same time they put you at ease, handle last wishes, funerary rites, and will res people from other churchs. It's so... oddly wholesome for them

[reef tundra]

I wonder how Myrkul and Orcus would feel about each other

Lord of Death and the Prince of Undeath

[obtuse stratus]

Speaking of Orcus, does D&D have a god that's like the punisher of oath breakers and lord of the underground?

[undone rain]

I think tyrs followers chases oathbreakers

[obtuse stratus]

That's part of Orcus, yeah.

[marble lion]

ok i get that youre reading this somewhere

[obtuse stratus]

The Forgotten Realms wiki

[marble lion]

but i think its important to also note the other stuff written about the church of myrkul

my assumption is that both are real
one is wholesome death care

the other is spreading myrkuls wish of being feared which is not wholesome

[obtuse stratus]

Yeah, exactly

[marble lion]

i just wanna make that very clear here. myrkul is not nice and neither are all his followers

[static ether]

hi

[obtuse stratus]

There was this entire time where Myrkul was in a crown (3rd ed) and people would like grow antlers touching it and yadda yadda

[knotty pasture]

What's a Sharran

[marble lion]

we dont talk about sharrans

[undone rain]

Lady shars followers

[knotty pasture]

(The joke is that you would have forgotten what it is )

No I do know it was a joke

[undone rain]

Ah right uhhh

Idk whats a sharran

[marble lion]

not talking about something doesnt make you forget it. is there some special shar thing

[undone rain]

What are you talking about whos shar

[knotty pasture]

Its not like you aren't talking about it, more like Shar would make people forget stuff, which could include Shar and the religion itself

[obtuse stratus]

I think the Church of Myrkul might be POST-working under Kelemvor, and prior to that it was far more wicked

Oh, hey, Faiths and Avatars has the church doing all these things. Seems the Church of Myrkul has always been fairly complex

[exotic sinew]

ophidimancer are you around by any chance. I don’t want to ping you

In other news other than wisdom what are the other stats that clerics should prioritise.

I was thinking con and strength and if I roll decently intelligence but have Dex and Charisma as my dump stats is that okay or dumb

[obtuse stratus]

Dex (+2), Con, Strength for bopping (unless heavy armor then Strength to 15, Con)

[limber trail]

Not Ophid but yeah, Con is usually the next best stat you want followed by Strength. You might alternatively want to get your Dex up to a +2 if you're using medium armour, and don't plan on using melee weapons.

[exotic sinew]

What does Ophid mean??

And I am using heavy armour. I chose protector as my divine order and I am a war cleric do I do sort of wanna be bonking things every now and then

[obtuse stratus]

Ophidian is a snake

So, snake caster for Ophidimancer

[humble cairn]

You can absolutely ping me, I prefer it since I lose track of things otherwise.

And people use "Ophid" as a short form for my name.

[limber trail]

I'm not Ophid is what I meant lol

[humble cairn]

Wisdom first, then Con, then whatever honestly.

[exotic sinew]

Hello good sir I was just checking to see if I would be able to message you my like little thing for my character backstory to see if you think it is poop or okay

🙂

[humble cairn]

Clerics don't really support weaopn use that well. War Cleric a bit more, but still not really.

[obtuse stratus]

So something for Clerics like (rest)/14/14+/min/Max/min, unless heavy armor then 15/min/14+/min/Max/min

[humble cairn]

Sure! Though don't be afraid to post a link to it in #character-discussion so you get more eyes on it, that's what the channel is for.

[tough lynx]

Dex better than str. Also 13 cha/int for dips into sorc or wizard

[reef tundra]

I think a cleric could afford to dump dex. While I do agree it’s a better (and one of the best) stats, strength clerics work well

[tough lynx]

Strength is a bad stat

[reef tundra]

Go for the Protector order at level 1, use heavy armour and heavy weapons

[tough lynx]

Dex gives you init

[paper portal]

anything better than str lmao

[obtuse stratus]

Yeah so with Heavy Armor you just need the strength to wear it unless they axed that in 5.5e

[reef tundra]

No it’s still needed in 5.5e

[tough lynx]

It’s one ac between medium and heavy armour

[inner silo]

which is better, 1d10+4 force damage, 2d6 piercing or 2d8 cold?

[paper portal]

its like con > wis > int > cha > str with dex in its own little 14 shaped bubble right

[obtuse stratus]

So 15/min (probably 10)/14+/min/Max/min

[paper portal]

1d10+4 is both the most damage and best damage type

[inner silo]

grabbing shileileigh then

[paper portal]

oh in that case ray of frost is better cus of its range

and secondary effect

[reef tundra]

If you have the option for force damage, go for it. It is indeed the best damage type

[inner silo]

ill do melee combat

[exotic sinew]

This what I am doing

[tough lynx]

The difference between 1 ac and +3 init weighs heavily in the init direction

[reef tundra]

Excellent

[paper portal]

also the save is wayyy more important even if its the least of the major saves

[tough lynx]

Exactly

Dex is so much better

[feral fulcrum]

Well, most on average perhaps, but not most max.

[dusty glade]

anyone tell me why i keep getting the same error in roll20

[paper portal]

average is whats gonna matter

[reef tundra]

While I agree with your points, I am a firm believer of… not hyper optimising the game at every moment

[paper portal]

depends what the error is

[feral fulcrum]

And what error would that be?

[obtuse stratus]

I agree with everything you guys are saying, but he's trying to play a heavily armored cleric, the stat spread is a bit MAD since 15 strength is needed, 14+ con, and around 16 wis

[paper portal]

thats why i dump str and wear heavy armor anyways cus thats peak

:3

[obtuse stratus]

Dwarf?

[paper portal]

no just eat the movement penalty, play a 35 speed race and/or ride a mount

centaur alternatively for the full 40 speed but the lack of other useful features there is a bit eh

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[tough lynx]

You could also ride a horse

Move speed doesn’t affect the horse

[dusty glade]

i changed browser too, cleared cache. what does this awful site want??

[tough lynx]

:enjoyer:

[paper portal]

that does rely on the horse not like dying or something but yeah

[tough lynx]

Phantom steed

[severe rampart]

Oh yeah, it's a pain to go against mounted combatants

[reef tundra]

Don’t get me wrong, optimising is just as valid of a way to play as any other, but I personally find it more fun picking whatever choices I think are cool.

[tough lynx]

Lasts 1 min even after damage

[inner silo]

does force movement through spikegrowth do damage?

[tough lynx]

Yes

[obtuse stratus]

War cleric going Bop bop is pretty cool

[reef tundra]

War cleric is very fun

[feral fulcrum]

It could just be that the Site itself is a little bugged on the server your'e connecting to if it's new. It happened to me previously and it was just something on their backend that broke.

[tough lynx]

I enjoy it this way you enjoy it that way that’s fine with me

[feral fulcrum]

And roll20 isn't awful. :V

[inner silo]

then i could theoretically do 10d4+6d6 every turn every combat

[dusty glade]

so, how do i deal w it, cuz u see. here's the thing, everything else seems fine.

[paper portal]

yeah thats why daolock is peak especially with the crusher feat

[dusty glade]

like maps n stuff n ui seems normal

[feral fulcrum]

If it's on their end, you just wait for them to fix it, if it persists for a week, it's more then likely something borked on your end.

[dusty glade]

i just click got it

[inner silo]

daolock?

[paper portal]

the dao option for warlocks' genie subclass, gives you spike growth which you can combo with repelling blast

[dusty glade]

cuz like, i got a core i7 from 2021 n good ram n 1tb storasge n shi

it cant be performance

unless i need a dedicated gpu

[feral fulcrum]

Your hardware doesn't matter if it's just a bug on their backend.

[dusty glade]

which would be ridiculos

[dusty glade]

perhaps, i hope so

[reef tundra]

Indeed, it’s all valid. I personally just believe in not pushing optimisation on others, but if that’s not what you were intending to do, then I apologise

[dusty glade]

so, should i jusdt ignore it ig?

mind u this is my first ever sesh

i am very much new

[obtuse stratus]

I think yesterday I was talking about vetting people for certain groups. This is why, absolutely stellar with the right group, way too much for the pokemon catching underoptimizing group

[paper portal]

anyways gn goobs i gotta wake up for work in 5 hours lol

[feral fulcrum]

Yup, just ignore it for now if you've already tried the suggested actions, because it could just be a backend problem. If it's still a problem in a week, it's probably on your end, and you should hit up Roll20 itself for support.

[humble cairn]

It happens a lot even when people don't intend on it, and it can be toxic even if unintentional.

[stiff rock]

i'm stuck between sorcerer, paladin, or bard for a new character but i can't decide which one would be more fun. any tips?

[tough lynx]

From my perspective they were asking what the best option was I using my knowledge of optimisation gave that. If they said that they were wanting to play a heavy armoured cleric I would bite my tongue and let them play

[dusty glade]

cuz i dont think its hardware

cuz i dont hv any extensions, or any vpns or wtvr

[paper portal]

imo sorc is the most fun but really its gonna be different for everyone

[tough lynx]

I like sorc

[stiff rock]

wild magic is probably my favourite feature ever so i may go sorc

[paper portal]

i should rewatch the owl house ngl

[tough lynx]

I’m writing like 16 builds for sorc rn

[tough lynx]

Do it!!!!! It’s peak

[reef tundra]

It’s peak

[feral fulcrum]

Definitely rushed to end though. Because Disney gonna Disney.

[tame estuary]

I want wild magic for every class, why not

[stiff rock]

wm barbarian is some of the most fun i've had

[undone rain]

Paladins are so peak both lorewise and gameplay wise. Oathbreakers alone have cool lore opportunities

[reef tundra]

Well, that’s valid. Apologies for my words

[reef tundra]

I love paladins. My favourite class

[obtuse stratus]

Probably my first paladin I fell in love with is this one I'm doing now.

[stiff rock]

unfortunately i'm playing with '24 rules and oathbreaker isn't in the phb OR dmg for 5.5e. oathbreakers are cool as hell though

[tough lynx]

Thank you and no problem

[reef tundra]

Ty. Goated pfp btw

I promise I’m not biased

[tough lynx]

I was agreeing with you btw

[feral fulcrum]

But seriously though don't mention/support Piracy on here.

[tough lynx]

Hehe

[undone rain]

Same lol. Though oath of devotions my style but oathbreakers are peak

[tough lynx]

Okay understood

[reef tundra]

Vengeance is my beloved

[undone rain]

Nooooo

[reef tundra]

Rip oathbreaker in 5.5e

May you return to us one day

[undone rain]

Valid

[obtuse stratus]

I dunno, I watch too many RPG horror stories and Paladins are frequently peak causers of horror stories

[undone rain]

It will be in our hearts

[knotty pasture]

Oathbreaker's really cool, shame its one of those subclasses with a higher ban rate

[undone rain]

Really?

[reef tundra]

I find it’s best to not view classes and species from the view of horror stories. Otherwise everything is terrible

[reef tundra]

To be fair the DMG did say that a player being an oathbreaker is something the DM must permit

[undone rain]

Breaking an oath can be a sign of shame, undevoted to their cause but also a sign of freedom

You follow your own morals

[feral fulcrum]

I mean it is the edgelord class and wrapped up in "I'm Mr. Murder Pants, I stab random people on the street for fun!" Perceptions since it's one of the Go-To options for Murder-hobos.

[lavish flame]

its already floating through the UA pipeline. it was in Subclasses Update, which was only 2 UAs ago. We'll be getting it soon, I think in the Ravenloft book

[undone rain]

Ehhh not for me. Ill take my hero oathbreaker thank you very much

[reef tundra]

My baby returns to me

[obtuse stratus]

Honestly I think an Eisenhorn character (40k novels, strong personal belief corrupted over time) is peak there

[undone rain]

Paladins about righteousness and they would break their oath if it meant doing it for the sake of good. Well unless your evil

[reef tundra]

I love it because I’m a sucker for edgelord vibes 😭

Vengeance and oath breaker being my favourites is really telling of me

I even made a homebrew fighter subclass called “The Oathbroken Knight”

[stiff rock]

has anyone got experience with the '24 clockwork sorcerer subclass? it sounds interesting but i've heard mixed things about it. i'm otherwise inclined to take wild magic

[solar nebula]

any opinions of giving the druid a magical amulet that on about a 1h cooldown shows them a creature of their max wild shape cr rating that they have never seen before

[undone rain]

But heres a question. If paladins get their powers from their oaths, then where do oathbreakers get em

[obtuse stratus]

Here I am, just out of school, absolutely the sternest staunchest supporter of puritanical anti-chaos belief. Then 40 years later I am a Traitor

[reef tundra]

I personally love it for the vibes and abilities but I’m not sure about the optimisation side. I say indulge in your love for wild magic

[stiff rock]

it sounds pretty interesting however mechanically quite empty. from the way you've described it, they just get to see a creature they may eventually transform into

[reef tundra]

From the darkness within edgelord noises /silly /j

[undone rain]

Lmaooooo

[obtuse stratus]

I just like Undead and undead accessories

[solar nebula]

fair, although it would be themed around the area theyre currently in

[stiff rock]

i like the idea!!

[knotty pasture]

They get their powers from promising to not swear an oath again

(Case in point, very little DMs will actually let you go back to a standard Paladin subclass after going Oathbreaker)

[stiff rock]

'my oath is not to have an oath'

[solar nebula]

im also thinking about giving the barbarian a magic waraxe that gets more powerful the higher level they are (theyre at lvl 2 rn so it would only be about +1 damage for now) and boost their strength by 1, but if they dont kill at least 1 medium creature every day, their strength gets decreased by 1 every day for that they dont do that to a minimum of 12

[obtuse stratus]

Like who is my necromancer? A Victorian era upper middle class dude experiencing life in the dregs, super dark super edgy, a bit romanticized on death and TB

[obtuse stratus]

the oath is stored in the....

[humble cairn]

If you want a magic item that grows with the character consider looking at the Vestiges of Divergence or Hoard Items.

[reef tundra]

Vox Machina brain activated

[feral fulcrum]

Tabard.

[reef tundra]

Titanstone gauntlets the goat

[obtuse stratus]

Tome of the Stilled Tongue is one of my favorite magic items specifically for leveling with the character

[solar nebula]

no one in the party knows what it even is so

[dusty glade]

i wanna say something, but i don't think i can or should.....

[dusty glade]

.... orbs

[obtuse stratus]

Hey, why are you translating what I said

[feral fulcrum]

I don't think I'll ever really get the fixation some people have with ignoring the basic idea/conceits of a Class. IE Atheist Clerics, Illiterate Wizards, Nature Hating Druids, etc.

[humble cairn]

Flavor is free and therefore we can also free ourselves from the default flavor of the class.

[wispy vector]

Some people just wanna be "quirky and unique" and defy the status quo

[humble cairn]

There's nothing wrong with leaning into the default flavor, but there is also nothing wrong with replacing it entirely.

[obtuse stratus]

Dude in Gygax's game wanted to play a Vampire and leveled through each of the undead to do it. It's been there since the beginning, like the paladins of each alignment

[humble cairn]

I have used Stars Druid and converted the flavor to Hearth Druid, to make a very urban type Druid, and it works great.

[marble lion]

many people enjoy changing something

this BUT different

[final turtle]

But then your not having an oath is your oath so you've broken your oath

[obtuse stratus]

I like the Oathbreaker who breaks his oath because of strong moral convictions XD

[dusty glade]

what if i was a paladin who believed gods hated him? like a reverse agnostic

[marble lion]

thats not the oathbreaker class

[knotty pasture]

Nature hating Druids is one thing but Druids that don't have qualms over wearing metal armor/equipment is based

[humble cairn]

You can use the Druid class to make a Biomancer, a mage who studies and uses life instead of harmonizing with it.

You don't even have to change any of the mechanics.

[obtuse stratus]

Dry Liches. They just want to spread the desert. Blighters, they want to spread corruption

[knotty pasture]

A desert druid that's really into desert flora would be cool

Like so into desert flora that they'd want to spread the desert just so the world has more cacti

[obtuse stratus]

I'll covert 400 miles of forest into desert just to have a single cactus infected with a parasitic flower

[feral fulcrum]

I feel like that's an entirely apropriate, and different aproach to what I'm trying to get at. I'm more mystified that some people aproach their PC's in ways that don't make...any kind of sense in the context of the Setting they're doing it in. For the example of the Atheist Cleric in say, Faerun, where Gods are a verified Fact. It always come off as actively trying to be Funny Ha Ha Disruptive to me. But maybe that's because I generally just see it from people that both don't really seem to know the game, and are just full 'screwing around' mode.

[humble cairn]

Like, what if Druid but instead of worshipping nature they want to exploit it like the corpos from Jurassic Park?

[obtuse stratus]

Do you want halflings riding velociraptors, because this is how you get halflings riding velociraptors

[humble cairn]

I want Halflings riding velociraptors like .. so bad.

My Beast Master is a Gnome Dino Wrangler. I have a Utahraptor Primal Companion, her name is Mango.

[turbid vessel]

Atheism is an umbrella term that includes lack of a belief of gods as well as assertion that they're not real. They often go hand in hand in the real world, but they certainly don't have to in fantasy. I could see hundreds of reasons why someone wouldn't have any care about the gods in Faerun

[humble cairn]

She has feathers and is a brilliant orange.

[obtuse stratus]

Look, I have issues being a victorian noble next to a furry, Saiyan and Autobot. God damn, at least the furry is playing fantasy with me

[humble cairn]

Sure, fitting into the setting is important, but that is tangential to leaning into the default flavor of the class or not.

[turbid vessel]

I think at that point that's just dissonance in playstyle rather than what can be called "correct" ways to play a setting

[obtuse stratus]

Considering Greenwood came out in the last couple years about Elminster's drow apprentice because he was on an NDA with WotC about it. There have ALWAYS been contrary ideas in the system, like good liches coming

[humble cairn]

Though in character I don't call her a Utahraptor because that doesn't fit the setting, instead I borrowed terms from the Eberron dinosaurs. Mango is a Mountain Clawfoot. Mountain for the "Ute" in Utahraptor and Clawfoot for what the Eberron halflings call raptors.

[obtuse stratus]

This has always been my gripe with D&D, though. Part of why I prefer Race as Class in OSR

[humble cairn]

Ehhh? How is that connected?

[obtuse stratus]

More humans, less people coming in with Autobots

[turbid vessel]

I can't agree that people wanting to play autobots in DND is actually any fundamental problem

[humble cairn]

The bioessentialism of having all members of species be one class is just, no. But besides that, the problem is more easily solved by just having the theme agreed upon at Session 0.

[still plover]

Oathbreaker as a subclass is poorly named. Should have just been Oath of Darkness or something.

[obtuse stratus]

It's weird that it's happened thrice to me

[humble cairn]

And like, Sinanis, I don't think it's automatically wrong.

It's just not your taste.

[turbid vessel]

As I like to say. It wouldn't be my choice, but I respect chutzpah whenever I see it

[obtuse stratus]

Agreed, but it hasn't come up in Old School.

[wispy vector]

Nah, you're someone who breaks those that have oaths

[severe rampart]

What if you force a paladin to break their oath

[humble cairn]

They feel guilty, repent awhile, and then are fine.

[obtuse stratus]

It shouldn't be forced, just create a roleplaying moment

[severe rampart]

You get a restraining order

[humble cairn]

An Oath has to be consciously broken to be Broken.

[wispy vector]

2 weeks of watching Netflix in the shower while eating ice cream

[severe rampart]

Thank you for that funny image in my head

[obtuse stratus]

Was the paladin wearing full plate in the shower and crying for you, too?

[reef tundra]

Man I’d love to sit in my shower with a full suit of armour and just eat ice cream

[severe rampart]

YES! , eating neapolitan ice cream while their helmet is on

[severe rampart]

Don't we all

If I had a full suit of armor I'd wear it always

[obtuse stratus]

Actually have considered wearing chainmail under my coat.

[snow zephyr]

Chainmail is surprisingly effective

[humble cairn]

The rust though!

[obtuse stratus]

I mean so are gambisons

[obtuse stratus]

The squire will handle it, plus I'd be more worried about the leather. Wetting strips of leather than are supporting weight...

[snow zephyr]

You do both. Gambeson+chainmail is great for both warmth and protection against most melee weapons

[humble cairn]

And then they will stab you in the middle of the night and claim it was a bandit.

[turbid vessel]

The squires union contract requires working under a verified oath holder. No oath, no squire. Union rules, baby

[snow zephyr]

Mink oil

[dusty glade]

what if i wore a leather coat, over leather armour?

[obtuse stratus]

stares at the groom

[dusty glade]

for aura mostly.... Aura is needed

[obtuse stratus]

Then many cows have died to make your outfit

[dusty glade]

ehh

still cool

[snow zephyr]

Honestly, probably 2 at most

[humble cairn]

"Of course, my Lord, and would you be happening to pay my overtime?"

[dusty glade]

plus leather jackets/coats r peak

[obtuse stratus]

looks at coinpurse

Yeeeeah about that

[snow zephyr]

And you can then use the meat, bones, and sinews for a whole litany of stuff

[humble cairn]

"Right away, M'Lord!"

[obtuse stratus]

cries eating the vanilla in the icecream

[humble cairn]

She attacks your armor with a horse brush.

[snow zephyr]

There's a reason that cattle are worth an insane amount under trade commodities

[turbid vessel]

"don't worry m'lord, I've buffed out all the rust and dents! The custodian gave me a special tool he calls steel wool"

[obtuse stratus]

😮

furiously eats the chocolate in the icecream

[turbid vessel]

Honestly especially when it comes to lower level characters, I like having really scuffed and ugly armor. Leaves a lot of room for growth

[obtuse stratus]

Man this paladin's repentance is a real struggle

[turbid vessel]

Can't be looking like king Arthur at level 1, then there's nowhere left to improve

[obtuse stratus]

If I had the Knight background I would not.

Man this tangent really makes me want to find a pbp

[turbid vessel]

Then you have their armor degrade over time to showcase the world trying to break them down

[snow zephyr]

The ideal image of the high level paladin is armor that's clean and well maintained, but too scratched for it to be shining fully.

[turbid vessel]

Idk, my ideal image of a high level paladin is Luke Skywalker

[humble cairn]

Oh when I played a Paladin I made him full on shiny and literally glowing.

[obtuse stratus]

I always imagine a dude with a dented left bottom rib, a lance through the space between his pauldron and curiass, just limping to the next adventure

[humble cairn]

He genuinely believed he was the Son of the Sun and meant to be the Savior of the world.

[lofty tinsel]

Any good map making mobile apps?

[turbid vessel]

"dude shut that off we need to be stealthy through this cave!'
"Sorry I couldn't hear you through this aura."

[snow zephyr]

See, my thinking is that the armor should show two main things: the sheer contempt the world has for the paladin in question, but also the dedication and devotion that the paladin holds in everything they do.

[viral kraken]

i might ask in #dnd-maps if you dont find one here

[humble cairn]

I got the deathblow on an enemy and my DM asked me, "How do you want to do this?" and my answer was "The enemy dies, it doesn't matter how, they fall into the background as my Paladin glitters and flexes in the foreground."

[obtuse stratus]

I mean by 20th level any good paladin has a codex of demonology, a couple horns, and a quasit on their shoulder while still fighting for good and being declared a heretic

[serene jolt]

I also like doing that. Starting with shining armor, untouched, pristine... To scratched, burned, degrading armor because of the battles. Like I normally don't start my characters with scars unless there's a backstory reason, but I develop them to be weathered over time.

[snow zephyr]

"of course the armor has flexible plates, how else would I be able to show off my delts?"

[turbid vessel]

He's wearing Raybands. Nobody knows where he got them. Nobody knows what Raybands are.

[serene jolt]

Adventuring is hard on the mind and body.

[obtuse stratus]

Misplaced Muscle Wizard quote

[obtuse stratus]

They just know that pink glasses are apparently "in"

[snow zephyr]

Woe, adventurer, for there is yet a more powerful foe. Truly there is none more terrifying than the Creatine Cretin

[humble cairn]

This Paladin was an exercise in how to make a character as annoying as possible to the PCs, but hilarious to their players. He was also Support heavy, though his "inspiring speech" for Inspiring Leader was him proselytizing to them about his workout regimes and his gains from the Manual of Gainful Exercise.

[obtuse stratus]

Honestly, that is what I picture a Muscle Wizard as. I think Full Metal Alchemist had that one dude that was perfect for the role

[humble cairn]

He also called the rest of the party his minions. He was arrogant in that kind of dumb, unshakeable, way.

[ruby bobcat]

https://x.com/nerdist/status/2033180941074456794?s=20

[humble cairn]

Louis Armstrong!!! The Man!

[obtuse stratus]

Never stopped talking about greek letters

[snow zephyr]

I get the image of a wizard learning gravity magic so they can still get in good training outside the weight room

[humble cairn]

Just Alpha, for Apollo. You know, my dad.

[obtuse stratus]

Vegeta, for real

[small heath]

The link is tied to a X post that tells from a news article that discusses a study. This study indicates that playing D&D can be used therapeutically.

[still plover]

What's this and how is it relevant to D&D?

[snow zephyr]

Lats wide enough to be outside a 5ft square

[still plover]

Ah, ta Tren1ty.

[obtuse stratus]

It's about D&D being theraputic

[small heath]

I do research 😎

[severe rampart]

Thank you grok- I mean tren1ty

[small heath]

I'm that guy who does tl;dr for everyone.

I also give out Wordle advice to people who want to play it.

[snow zephyr]

Buff wizards are neat

[obtuse stratus]

Got me to quit pf1e, but I'm pretty sure that they can be pulled off well in other systems

[small heath]

Buff wizards.

[severe rampart]

Silence Aha! now you cannot cast any more spells! you're practically a coughing baby!

Takes out greatsword

[snow zephyr]

Slips on a set of spiked gauntlets

[obtuse stratus]

A real muscle wizard kills with his delts

[tough lynx]

Rides phantom steed 200ft and fires my Longbow

[severe rampart]

Mayhaps a Steven Universe reference

[severe rampart]

Out of spell slots, but not out of options

[snow zephyr]

No. Just. No.

[obtuse stratus]

flexes into the perfect form There is no escape for you Evildoer!

[wispy vector]

"I cast fist (Bigby's Hand)"

[snow zephyr]

Perfect spell flavor for invulnerability, you just walk everywhere in bodybuilding flex poses

[small heath]

Path of the Spell Scorned Barbarian gives you a free cast of counterspell (a subclass from Cthulu by Torchlight)

[obtuse stratus]

But to step you need to like lunge into another pose

[severe rampart]

Cloak of Billowing billows in the wind

[tough lynx]

Also you can cast spells that are no vocal required

You can also also subtle spell

[snow zephyr]

It is a small price to pay for ripped quads and glutes

[tough lynx]

So many options

[severe rampart]

Proud of my Sorcerer player who's rocking the +1 Shortsword along with the Cloak of Billowing whenever he runs out of spell slots

[obtuse stratus]

applies body oil and flexes Prismatic Spray!

[tough lynx]

My favourite though is to constantly ritual cast phantom steed and longbow

[fast latch]

Hi all

I love how this server is so freaking MASSIVE that this chat is always active

Anyways, what are we talking about?

[snow zephyr]

Muscle wizards

[obtuse stratus]

Muscle Wizards and depressed Paladins

[fast latch]

Str Bladesinger?

[severe rampart]

I've seen it be inactive before, but probably just timezone reasons

[tough lynx]

How silence isn’t an awful effect for casters

[fast latch]

Yeah but it’s rare

[severe rampart]

no, a regular Evoker Wizard with 20 Strength

[small heath]

So my next class I want to play as in a Westmarch server I'm in, I am debating between a Paladin or Cleric. There aren't many dedicated healers or healing-based characters in this server that I've noticed.

What should I go?

[snow zephyr]

I'm just saying that if I saw someone blowing people up while maintaining a flex with a physique to rival a statue I'd run away

[lethal herald]

Can you become a DM if you never played a game before or is it better to play as a player before trying to DM?

[obtuse stratus]

flexes Hypnotic pattern!

[obtuse stratus]

Yes, and yes

[normal junco]

you don't need to have ever played to be a DM.

[small heath]

Right now, I am thinking of Peace Domain cleric.

[serene jolt]

You want more spell-focus or more martial-focus?

[fast latch]

What a waste of Strength
Str Bladesinger, despite its unviability, is so cool

[severe rampart]

Waste? never

[normal junco]

however, playing helps to have a grasp on the flow of events within an actual play session.

[fast latch]

The one with the broken ass bond feature?

[snow zephyr]

Gravity mage, because it's free help for extra stimulus on bodyweight exercises

[obtuse stratus]

Muscle wizards are about reps and shakes

[snow zephyr]

We believe in full ROM and maximal volume and frequency in this house

[lethal herald]

Okay thanks for the answers guys cuz I have ideas but no real confidence in executing those ideas. I want to try being a player first, I have played with friends before but it was extremely dumbed down cuz we were all beginners ( we didn't have advantage or stat points or skills)

[earnest viper]

Hello, I bought the Dungeons & Dragons Stranger Things starter set on Amazon. I was very surprised to see that there was no code in the box to get the PDF... it's 2026... is it possible to get the PDF by providing proof of purchase?

[small heath]

Probably spell focus. There are plenty of martial-focus people in the server. I think fighter and barbarian are the most used.

[snow zephyr]

Then you've already played D&D

[fast latch]

You can Technically be a DM without having ever played, but it’s much harder

I recommend playing before DMing

[obtuse stratus]

I don't need steroids! I have Gravity!!!!

[serene jolt]

Then I'd recommend cleric. You can still be a cleric with martial weapons and stuff if you want to, but clerics are usually much better when focused on their cantrips and spells.

[normal junco]

the original stranger things starter set predates WotC owning DnDBeyond. the only ones that ever had any codes was the Essentials Kit that had codes for the base set (but no pdfs) and the three sequels (but not pdfs on dndbeyond).

[fast latch]

Peace or Life Cleric

[still plover]

Not that I'm immediately aware of, but it can't hurt to contact Wizard's customer support to check. Might want to make it clear you're just asking about a PDF, not resources on D&D Beyond.

[normal junco]

at that, WotC wants people to buy both. either together through dndbeyond, or separately.

[serene jolt]

Especially if you wanna focus on healing. These two are very good at their jobs.

[small heath]

@serene jolt I like the idea of cleric personally. Not only is it a healing thing that I want to do, since the Westmarch players (especially the lower level characters) don't have easy ways of healing, but also it's part of my personal quest to "100%" D&D. That being - play each class atleast once as one of my goals.

(I know you can't really 100% D&D it's a running joke in my friend group)

[normal junco]

WotC doesn't make pdfs for their stuff except in very special circumstances. they've gone all in with the character creator/manager and vtt thing.

[fast latch]

One of the 100 percent achievements Has to be seduce a dragon

Slay a beholder

Make orphans

Complete a campaign at Level 20

[serene jolt]

Totally valid. Cleric is one of my top favorites. It feels very good to play imo. Life Cleric is my favorite of the options.

It just feels good for healing overall.

[normal junco]

however, a pdf of the Stranger Things Starter Set rules does happen to exist. only the rules, not the adventure. check out Hasbro's board game instruction replacement thing. the Stranger Things Starter Set rulebook does exist on there. once again, only the rules and no adventure.

[small heath]

lvl 20 is one of my goals I have. I started playing D&D in November 2025, and my ultimately goal is in 1 year, do a bunch of things in D&D and ultimately run/DM my own campaign before 1 year has passed.

[obtuse stratus]

You don't think it's Overkill?

[serene jolt]

Honestly no. I love when a DM does a ton of damage with their monsters and on my turn, I just heal every last bit of it back and smile at the DM.

It's so satisfying.

[obtuse stratus]

I was gunna use one for Soloing LMoP but like "why, that sounds like overkill"

[snow zephyr]

You can never have enough healing magic

[humble cairn]

They supercharged the healing spells in 2024, too.

[serene jolt]

Just make sure that you have escape methods.

DMs will start to pick on you if you're a life cleric. Especially if you're doing it well.

[humble cairn]

Basically they doubled all the dice for healing spells in 2024.

[serene jolt]

Misty step/teleports, armor, silvery barbs, shield, anything you can get your hands on.

[silk rampart]

if anyone wants me and a friend are looking for 1 DM and 1 player

[obtuse stratus]

They also legitimized the goodberry trick

[humble cairn]

Err, did they?

[obtuse stratus]

Yeah Magic Initiate lets you use your own spell slots

[humble cairn]

Because Life Cleric '24 says their bonus only applies to a spell they cast on the turn they cast it.

So you could get the bonus on like, one berry.

[obtuse stratus]

Ohhhh so thats how they screwed it. Okay

I avoid 5.5 but I'd just seen MI made it so you could have goodberry with your normal slots now

Good to know

[small heath]

As a player with only a few months of experience I genuinely love 5.5

[humble cairn]

I've switched over and really don't look back.

[obtuse stratus]

Oh I can imagine. I just don't like the complexity of the system and prefer Basic and BECMI. Fireball does 1d6 damage per level there, and I can get behind that

[small heath]

I'm actively in multiple campaigns, one that's 24 and one that's 14, and '24 has been my preference so far. I can handle '14 but for example, '24 druid is so much nicer to play as imo.

[woven flint]

Howdy folks 🧐

[lavish flame]

reallll

[humble cairn]

I do embrace the backwards compatibility, though.

[fast latch]

Hi Tokii

[woven flint]

I'm proud to announce that my Warforged survived another session and was kicking enough ass to be called a Terminator lol
(Even though he nonlethally takes down humanoids, which have been most of the enemies thus far lol)

[faint thicket]

I honestly can never play 5.5e, there are too many rules that I just can't understand how they work because they contradict themselves

[lavish flame]

its mostly just the 5e core rules that I don't look back on. I still run ahit from Storm King's Thunder and Tales from the Yawning Portal. I still love Xanathar's and Tasha's and Fizban's and Bigby's.

[woven flint]

Train fight scenes are fun

(Lighting rail in Eberron, they're basically trains)

[lavish flame]

100% agree

[humble cairn]

seethes in jealousy

[lavish flame]

there's so much drama to be oozed out of an encounter on a Lightning Rail

[woven flint]

Everytime my warforged missed a punch it went straight through the train car we were in walls lmao
He was swinging too damn hard

[cobalt owl]

He came in like a wrecking ball

[reef tundra]

Did he live?

[woven flint]

We've got an Artificer though, so it's fine

And yes, he did live

And so did his Dog
He's a Dog & Hound Pugilist

[reef tundra]

Yayyy!

[lavish flame]

I was once introduced to a campaign villain when he raided a Lightning Rail we were on and sent his goons to pilfer our belongings while he raided the luxury cabins. It was awesome!

[woven flint]

His name is Sentry and his dogs name is Vigilance (Vigil for short)

[reef tundra]

Man, now I really wanna run an Eberron campaign

[humble cairn]

I wanna play in Eberron so bad.

[woven flint]

If you run an Eberron game

Do at least ONE Lightning rail fight scene
Have enemies crawling on the sides and on the roof as well

[lavish flame]

Also the fight needs to take place in multiple cars

[humble cairn]

With screaming passengers getting underfoot.

[faint thicket]

Since at least two people question marked my comment I'll just give an example, stealth makes no sense as it either makes you completely undetectable or does literally nothing depending on if the invisible condition actually makes you invisible.

Anyways continue your discussion

[woven flint]

I got one particularly brutal knock out on a Crow Shifter in the train car, he ducked my first hit and then I caught him with an uppercut and slammed his head through the train cars roof

[silk rampart]

hey guys, me and a friend are looking for a DM and a player if anyone is interested

[humble cairn]

Hiding and Invisibility certainly needs clarification, but besides a few cases, I find the rules are 90% better and more clear and easier to run.

[lavish flame]

it cannot just stay in 1 car, then its just a cramped fight. Passengers need to provide difficult terrain, chairs and doors need to provide cover. All that jazz

[woven flint]

Who here likes companion subclasses? 🧐

[humble cairn]

ME

[reef tundra]

Me. I don’t care if they’re not optimal

I will die alongside my animal companion or die trying

[severe rampart]

what does this mean

[lavish flame]

I think its good design space and tbh would like one for every class in the same way I'd like a teleporter subclass for every class

[humble cairn]

Beast Master is so fun! It's the only subclass I've played more than once.

[lavish flame]

If Conjurer Wizard was about a companion, I'd be super down

[humble cairn]

Oddly it's Illusionist

[woven flint]

I kinda don't, but I've been enjoying Dog & Hound
Firstly, I get a Dog, secondly the dog actually feels useful as it can Grapple, Knock things prone or shove them when it attacks on a Strength save.. and it must be a strength save for any enemy 👁️

[reef tundra]

Is it?!

[humble cairn]

They get Summon Beast and Summon Fey for free as part of the subclass, with enhancements.

[reef tundra]

Oh I see 😭

[woven flint]

Pet subclasses

[severe rampart]

Yes, I adore my players using them, gives me more to work with...

[craggy summit]

Kill their pet so they go John wick mode 😈

[severe rampart]

a pet? in Barovia? oh sweet summer child

[humble cairn]

I see you've been talking to my DM.

[woven flint]

I mean, if you kill a subclass pet they can just be revived sooner or later anyway

[humble cairn]

The well designed subclasses, yes.

[severe rampart]

How much longer must they suffer now?

[lavish flame]

Subclasses like Beastmaster, Drakewarden, Wildfire Druid, UA Purple Dragon Knight, that new UA Vestige Patron. When a subclass gives you a lil buddy

[still plover]

Check the listings in #looking-for-players for games that want people, read the details, respond as appropriate and cross your fingers.

Type /looking and select the option for #looking-for-dm to advertise yourself as a new player in search of a group. Be sure to include your regular availability!

There are other Discord servers where people gather for games. You can find them in #looking-for-community .

Aside from here, you could also try LFG areas in sites like Reddit, Roll20 or the D&D Beyond forums to get started.

[woven flint]

My Gloomstalker Ranger (Bugbear Fella) has an actual pet rat named Slank.. and if anything happens to Slank my dm dies.

He only has a singular hitpoint, leave the little guy alone

[silk rampart]

thank you very much

[severe rampart]

would be terrible if he got caught up in a thunderwave or something...

[woven flint]

Usually he's not around the party during combat

[severe rampart]

Mhm, just make sure no Aarockra is near

[drowsy scaffold]

Hallo

[woven flint]

That's racist 😭

You're assuming the bird people eat Rats smh.

[woven flint]

Bonjour

[drowsy scaffold]

How are you on this joyous day?

[severe rampart]

I'm assuming that the hunters eat small creatures as a part of their diet, yes

[woven flint]

Guh.. blugga.. hrrrhh...
Alive:]

[drowsy scaffold]

Better than me, I died

🪦

[woven flint]

Aaracokra are typically human sized, eating a rat most likely would barely give then any substance and not even be worth hunting, they logistically go after bigger game like most other humanoids.

[severe rampart]

hold on, gotta look up the size of rats in DnD

[woven flint]

Tiny

[crimson gulch]

rats are tiny animals just like real life, there are giant rats though

[severe rampart]

huh, I could've sworn they were "small"

[woven flint]

My rat, Slank, is a tiny normal rat

[reef tundra]

I’d be terrified if they were small

[woven flint]

You should live, you seem neat

[drowsy scaffold]

That's a bit big for rats, what is it, a country rat on steroids?

[severe rampart]

it's a well fed rat

[drowsy scaffold]

We have some decently sized rats out where I live but none enough to classify as "small"

[stiff rock]

what are some good ritual spells for the pact of the tome invocation? besides speak with animals or find familiar i don't really know many

[river vector]

Ah today is the time where I shall have my BBEG really debut, six sessions in. They had previously just seen his glowing red eyes in the shadows (power hungry vampire spawn with a dead master) He will be in disguise as a "Holy Cleric" this will be fun....

[woven flint]

Only 1st level rituals?

[severe rampart]

ended yesterday's session with the BBEG whispering in the battlemaster's ear (telepathically)

[woven flint]

Detect Magic is always good to have

[stiff rock]

1st level rituals from any spell list

[woven flint]

Alarm, Detect Magic, Comprehend Languages..

[stiff rock]

comprehend languages may work

[river vector]

I've had a morally ambiguous Lich King keep trying to ally with the party, warlock made a pact with him, which means that Lich can see through his eyes and communicate telepathically with him.