dnd-discussion

[knotty pasture]

I wanna try out a Phantom Rogue one of those days

[mystic gyro]

It will be a while since i havent technically had a session 1 ehat i did was a prequel like a backstory session for one of the players . But i will definitely use it and i even have an idea of how

[glass spindle]

Beautiful

I'm running rise of tiamat rn so I'm not sure how viable it is for me

But in my one shot maybe

[mystic gyro]

Its dnd . Its always viable😈

Just throw in an ability for some npc to summon a lich that turns on them

[glass spindle]

I may find a way

But I can only use it once because I got one of the same players in my one shot who's also in my rise of tiamat campaign

[mystic gyro]

Thats the advantage i have as a new dm ig

All my ideas(even the stolen ones) will be new to my players

[glass spindle]

Use it soon and then pull it out again like 10 years later on the same people

Like REMEMBER THIS??

[mystic gyro]

I did this but in a very unusual and not so... Orthdox way

[glass spindle]

Oh??

[mystic gyro]

Like our group plays a lot of cricket

[glass spindle]

Oh ok ok

[mystic gyro]

We r all childhood frnds

[glass spindle]

Nice that's kinda the best for dnd

Or anything

[mystic gyro]

So about 11 years ago i hit a shot into one of the guys groin(accident ofc) and like 3 months ago it happened again in the same ground

😂

[glass spindle]

😭 DEFINITELY am accident

😂

[mystic gyro]

So we like tried to laugh it off but we had to basically carry him home after that😂

[glass spindle]

OHH it was badd

[mystic gyro]

Yeaaa

[glass spindle]

Not like a little hit?? Damnnn

[signal ore]

Good evening

[mystic gyro]

Hiiii

[glass spindle]

Rip your friend honestly

[glass spindle]

Good night

I'm gonna hit it it's getting late for me

[signal ore]

🌙 sleep well

[mystic gyro]

Naaa he tuffed it out . Lets just say he had prior experience going through it

[mystic gyro]

Good night

[glass spindle]

XD

[proven nova]

Hey guys

One question, I wanted to make a character that is similar to Zero from Drakengard.

Any idea what I can do for multiclass ideas?

[knotty pasture]

#character-discussion might be better, can you break down Zero's characteristics there

[grizzled gale]

Okay so a little random but I gotta know. I’m not very good at accents but I really like getting into character. My character that I’m debuting in 2 days is a triton woman who leaves her city to go to the surface. She has the far traveler feat, given that tritons don’t usually leave home especially to go onto the surface. I will love all suggestions, but the one I choose will be one that I know my dm won’t be able to keep a straight face.

[wanton raft]

So I need help picking spells for my cleric that just entered level 5

[humble cairn]

It's not a super big deal for a Cleric. You can swap all your spells every day so you won't get stuck with any spell too long, might as well try them all out.

[wanton raft]

I mean what should I have prepared before a session for example

[humble cairn]

But in general for a full caster I will give my usual advice:
Full casters have access to the biggest toolkit in the game, which makes spell choice probably one of the more complex character building exercises in D&D. My guidelines are usually this:

• At least one combat Cantrip
• At least one Utility (non-combat solution) Cantrip
• A handful of powerful Concentration spells targeting more than one enemy Saving Throw
• At least one powerful Concentration Support spell
• A handful of useful non-Concentration spells that you can apply after you get your Concentration spell up (An Attack spell and various defense spells like Shield and Absorb Elements)
  This way you have an answer to a lot of situations you may face. This may not all be possible at level 1, but after a few levels a full caster wants to be a Swiss Army Knife of spells to solve any problem the group may face.

[knotty pasture]

Pack Spirit Guardians somewhere its your bread and butter

[wanton raft]

I just got access to it!

[wanton raft]

But it's the only 3rd level spell I can add unless I remove any of my existing ones (I have beacon of hope and revivify auto) but that means unless I remove an existing spell, I can't add dispel magic

And I need dispel magic

[knotty pasture]

Remove an existing spell in that case, what spells do you have atm

Cleric's level 2 spells are weaker in general compared to the sheer value their level 1 and 3 spells bring

[wanton raft]

I'm torn between removing Conmand, Detect Magic, Enhance Ability or one of Cure wounds/healing word (I probably won't cause Life domain)

[humble cairn]

Hmm .. you do know you can have a whole list of just 3rd level spells if you wanted to, right?

[wanton raft]

Well... I only have 2 3rd level slots now I think

I wish I could remove beacon of hope because it seems useless but life domain

[humble cairn]

Yeah, but the number of spells you prepare aren't limited by your spell slots.

[humble cairn]

Any spell given to you by your subclass don't count against the number of spells you can prepare.

[wanton raft]

But leveling up only gave me one additional number to prepare

[wanton raft]

Which should I remove

[knotty pasture]

Take out Enhance Ability and replace with Spirit Guardians

[wanton raft]

I've added spirit guardians.

[humble cairn]

Yeah, and you don't have to take any 1st level spells if you don't want to, for example.

[wanton raft]

It was my 1 new

[humble cairn]

And you can unprepare all of your spells and reprepare all different ones every day.

Except for the ones from your subclass.

[wanton raft]

It's a west marches style campaign so its more per session but I get you. So no need to have a consistent list then?

[wanton raft]

Should I remove Enhance Ability for Dispel magic then

[humble cairn]

Every Long Rest, then. And yes, no need to have any consistent spells. Take the ones that are either useful or that you want to try out.

[knotty pasture]

Sure

[wanton raft]

Alright got it!

[humble cairn]

I just want to make sure you understand how Cleric spellcasting works.

You are not stuck with any of your prepared spells. You have access to all Cleric spells every long rest. Of the levels that you can normally cast.

[wanton raft]

Ohhhh yeah I get it now. I thought I'd have to stick with them and only those. Seems I can change and use any.

[humble cairn]

It's one of the strengths of Cleric.

[wanton raft]

Thanks. I don't think I've been effective so far so hoping third level spells fix that

[humble cairn]

Third levels spells are a spike in power for full casters.

[rough basalt]

Every 2 spell levels usually for clerics is a power spike ime

[lapis iris]

So I'm looking for advice building a spellcaster build, preferably wizard, that can just spam a bunch of spells per turn. I'm mainly trying to nail the kind of magic user who's fingertips (or arcane focus of choice) is always shooting whimsical lightshows of sparkling fireworks, colorful warp-blast, lighting bolts, etc.

[knotty pasture]

Isn't that more of a Sorc thing

[jovial badger]

sorcerer with the sage/acolyte background with magic initiate wizard would be my recommendation

[wanton raft]

Yeah. Other than Aid and spiritual weapon, I don't have other 2nd levels

[rough basalt]

Ye wizards don't spam spells, and even then, spell spamming on the same turn is not easily doable

[lapis iris]

Particular subclass?

[rough basalt]

Whichever fits

The Sorcerer base class is what gives you metamagic

[humble cairn]

"Constantly sparkling with magic" is flavor while "casting many spells per turn" is mechanics. You can get the flavor without the mechanics.

[rough basalt]

Casting many spells per turn would rely on homebrew buffs at the start of the game.

[humble cairn]

If you want to constantly be having sparklemagic then it's as easy as taking and using Prestidigitation all the time.

Or honestly ... just adding the flavor even without the spell.

Just say that you constantly radiate magic. As long as the DM is cool with it, it becomes true.

[rough basalt]

Depending on the ruleset you can cast 2 a turn with either multiclassing ('14) or items that cast spells ('24) and quicken spell.

[jovial badger]

and the DM shouldn't obstruct your roleplay, so that would usually fly

[rough basalt]

Flavor is always free as long as it stays flavor.

[wanton raft]

||What book has adamantine weapons. I bought one but can't add it to D&D beyond. Only saw adamantine armor. I think I have access to all the books||

[humble cairn]

Well it's about having the right fit. If everyone has agreed to play a serious noir game set in the backstreets of Waterdeep, your sparkle fizzy pony friendship character isn't a fit and the DM can rightly say no.

[rough basalt]

DMG

Probably bugged

[wanton raft]

Only adamantine plate and chain mail and armor. But might be bugged

[jovial badger]

true, but just radiating a sparkly magical aura should always be allowed in my opinion

[lapis iris]

vigorous notetaking yes...

[rough basalt]

True.
I have restrictions for my games roleplay wise but it's pretty much "no joke characters"

[humble cairn]

"Always" is a big word. It's about asking and communicating.

[humble cairn]

So this is an "ask your DM" situation.

[rough basalt]

Comedy and absurdity is great and expected. But I don't need poopfart the crappedinhispants, the Lizardfolk Bard

[wanton raft]

Lmaooo yeah

[humble cairn]

I couldn't make a joke character if my life depended on it. Even my characters that sound like joke characters I take completely seriously.

[rough basalt]

I sometimes make joke characters for one shots

Like John Dungeon the Human Fighter with the stat spread of 20,18,18,7,6,5

[humble cairn]

My Glory Paladin who was a complete narcissist, for example. The personality I decided on was Condescending Gym Bro. I even had a Manual of Gainful Exercise that I proselytized from.

[rough basalt]

Oh I think I remember that paladin

[humble cairn]

Dipped Bard so I could use "Remember to always stretch before battle" as his Bardic Inspiration.

Still took him completely seriously. He believed he was the literal Son of the Sun and was meant to save the world and that he was naturally owed devotion and worship.

Raised by a cult.

[lapis iris]

So lemme describe specifically what I'm going for; My caster is a killed and studied mage that constantly juggles an arsenal of flashy magic artifacts, spell scrolls of or other learned spells for a variety of scenarios. A sort of wizard MacGyver.

That'll be his name: Monkeywrench MacGyver.

[knotty pasture]

That doesn't sound like a level 1 character

[humble cairn]

Ok so you don't mean juggling in a literal sense, though.

[rough basalt]

Definitely not a level 1 pc

[lapis iris]

ofc

[knotty pasture]

Unless this is not for a level 1 campaign go for it

[jovial badger]

what level?

[lapis iris]

I completely forgot it was lvl 1

Me kit building like its starting lvl 5

[rough basalt]

Even level 5 ain't having artifacts barring certain modules.

[jovial badger]

free hands? what are those?

[humble cairn]

Every Wizard is a magical Macgyver eventually. And magical items aren't something you can necessarily depend on getting, unless the DM has said they are giving them to you.

Magical MacGyver makes me think Artificer.

But the idea of a Wizard who approaches magic like a technician is an interesting one.

"I've got just the tool for that" but magical.

Ooh, a Wizard who actually uses all the material components, instead of just a focus.

Like MacGyver pulling off things with bubble gum and paperclips.

[jovial badger]

Artificer would be very cool

[humble cairn]

"Oh hey, a batcave! Gime a second ... aaand Fireball"

[lapis iris]

So honestly what sounds most appealing here is lean to lean into the base versatility of the Wizard while utilizing Prestidigitation for more flavor flare.

[humble cairn]

Yeah that sounds neat! A flashy and flamboyant Wizard. Maybe Enchanter or Illusionist?

[wanton raft]

Turns out my character isn't proficient in any of the adamantine weapons then. Only Simole weapons, crossbows, shortswords and rapiers.

Maybe I can ask the DM to homebrew me an adamantine shortsword

[lapis iris]

Sold on the idea! Thank you all for the advice.

[flint ledge]

What do adamantine weapons even do actually

[wanton raft]

Every hit is a critical

[knotty pasture]

Auto crits on objects specifically

[wanton raft]

And the armor protects you from critical hits

[flint ledge]

I was about to say

[flint ledge]

That I know of

[wanton raft]

Objects being... not humanoids right?

[knotty pasture]

It usually means something that doesn't move

You can't stab a dragon expecting it to crit

[wanton raft]

I see. But it can break anything needed to break

[knotty pasture]

I dunno what the rules are for constructs that being said but even then that's a very specific enemy type you're fighting

What do you need to break so desperately that you would need a damage bonus to break it

And is this worth however much gp you spend on it

[wanton raft]

||I thought it was a critical when it reached the AC. The Objects part skipped me|| Nothing

[flint ledge]

Objects only count as inanimate I'm pretty sure

[knotty pasture]

Yeah I thought as much

[wanton raft]

Well since I'm not proficient, I might as well not get it since I can't use it. 500GP back

[knotty pasture]

Yeah grab better armor or a +1 weapon or something

[flint ledge]

Honestly I feel like adamantine weapons should lower the critical criteria by 1 given the armor basically does the opposite, though I guess then they'd need to be more expensive

[wanton raft]

I can. I have two +4 crossbows and a +4 shortsword. Maybe I can get something stronger though

[knotty pasture]

Uhh +4 weapons don't exist

[flint ledge]

Sorry?

[knotty pasture]

+3 weapons are already super rare grade lol

[wanton raft]

I dont think we're talking about +4 to hit are we...?

[knotty pasture]

No we're talking about the weapon grade

[wanton raft]

...I'm still new

[knotty pasture]

So weapons with a plus sign behind are enchanted, meaning that they can both pierce through non magical resistance and give +1-3 attack rolls/damage rolls depending on the number behind it

+1 are uncommons, +2 are rares, +3 are super rares

[wanton raft]

Oops. My bad. Are they all magical weapons?

[knotty pasture]

Yes, so long as there's a plus sign behind it, they count as magical weapons for the sake of calculating resistances

[flint ledge]

(do note non magical resistance basically doesn't exist in 2024 if you're playing with that ruleset)

[humble cairn]

And the game is designed to basically stay within that +1-3 range as a philosophy called Bounded Accuracy.

[humble cairn]

The game had a big update in 2024, so the community is still getting used to the current rules.

[wanton raft]

We're using 2014. My group really hates 2024 for some reason

[flint ledge]

Ah I see. Then yeah getting a magic weapon should be a priority

[hot gate]

People have their preferences, but hate does sound like a strong word.

[wanton raft]

Are the magic weapons available on the d&d beyond books?

[wanton raft]

Not really hate but they get irked about it

[hot gate]

Sure, DDB basically lists all official stuff

[humble cairn]

Yes, but you have to buy anything that isn't in the free Basic Rules if you want to use them on the character builder.

[wanton raft]

Our campaign has most of everything purchased thankfully

[humble cairn]

Well to each their own. I've switched over and haven't looked back.

[flint ledge]

Speaking of magic items am I the only one who thinks the prices on some stuff is insane?

[humble cairn]

In game price is almost meaningless.

[hot gate]

Yeah. If you look at the suggested gold loot in the DMG, it does quickly make sense. Adventurers get rich.

[flint ledge]

I mean 40k gold for a potion of speed

[feral fulcrum]

The crafting prices is where things get absurd and stupid.

[humble cairn]

DMs control 1) what items are available for purchase, 2) how much gold the party has access to, and 3) how each merchant sets their prices. Those facts combined mean that gold value doesn't mean anything except an arbitrary way for a DM to control how much they want to give you at once.

[feral fulcrum]

"Want to craft a 9th level spell scroll? Hope you've got a litteral year and several kingdoms worth of gold!"

[hot gate]

Nah, those are fine

[wanton raft]

That's neat

[hot gate]

20k, but yeah it's a lot

[wanton raft]

This actually lol

[flint ledge]

And the times too, if you don't do long traveling times you will basically never be able to craft a magic item or even a scroll

[rough basalt]

Being anything that's not a creature

[humble cairn]

Time is another thing the DM controls, they can give you as little or as much as they wish.

[humble cairn]

Or an area.

[rough basalt]

Adamantine Weapons are mainly for cutting down doors and stuff

[feral fulcrum]

And dont' even get me started on Xanathar's "Roll random complications every week, which always runs a 10% chance of screwing you over completey! We really thought this through! Lol, that's a lie."

[humble cairn]

Creatures, areas, objects. The three main things that can be targets of stuff.

[feral fulcrum]

2014's Crafting rules were a Dumpster fire

[rough basalt]

Tbh a 10% chance to screw up at your 9 to 5 at the docks is funny

[humble cairn]

Complications can be fun.

But I don't particularly like rolling for random stuff.

[feral fulcrum]

Not when you have to roll 10 of them, and the majority of them waste more time and money :V

[humble cairn]

If I'm going to give a complcation, it's gonna mean something.

[rough basalt]

Complications on crafting I for sure didn't like but on other downtime I think it's funny

[flint ledge]

I mean yeah obviously the DM controls what they get but like

[humble cairn]

Which is why prices in game are meaningless.

[rough basalt]

It also feels immersive.
Your character is busy fighting monsters all the time, they don't know about OSHA regulations.

[timber turtle]

is there any lore reason on how a gnome fighter could hit as strong as a human one?

[feral fulcrum]

The problem howeve is that most complications stem from random "Actually you're an idiot. Spend more time and gold." "Actually a Patent Troll screw you." "Actually the local Populace are idiots and thing you're Building Mecha Cthulu to eat them."

The Complications in 2014 were all almost universally Bad and stupid

[rough basalt]

Maybe don't try to build mecha cthulhu to eat them

You're there to work your 9 to 5 part timer. Not rule the world.

[wanton raft]

I've seen a lot of +1 magic weapons. What's the difference though. Other than the attack bonus

[flint ledge]

I mean well quite frankly I think size does not matter very much when you're being cut up by a longsword

[feral fulcrum]

Except all your doing is making a magic ring. :V And you rolled a number on some dice, so now the locals are mystically jumpy paranoid morons because raisins

[humble cairn]

No, lore doesn't really delve into fantasy physiology really.

[wanton raft]

I was thinking about this when I was considering a halfling barbarian

[feral fulcrum]

There's nothing that can convince me that anything of particular worth could be salvaged from 5E's Mediocre at best crafting rules. :V

[humble cairn]

Lore basically says anyone can be a hero of any kind. So a gnome can be a fiercely powerful warrior if they wish because a PC is a Hero.

[flint ledge]

You also get a +1 to damage, but other than that not much except your damage counts as magical

[rough basalt]

Sounds like something Sauron would say

[wanton raft]

Does magical damage add an advantage?

[rough basalt]

In 14 it does

[flint ledge]

No, it just lets you play the game at later levels

[humble cairn]

In 2014 it is almost required at higher levels because many monsters simply take less damage from weapons unless they are enchanted.

[rough basalt]

Most monsters in 14 either resist or immune to non-magical physical damage in 2014 past a certain level.

[feral fulcrum]

Magical Damage bypasses NOn-magical weapon resistance.

[flint ledge]

Cause if you don't have it your damage will be either halved or entirely nullified

[feral fulcrum]

Which was common in 2014

[timber turtle]

I dont even think a person the size of a gnome could even cut trough skin with a longsword swing

[flint ledge]

What?

[humble cairn]

Well good thing it's fantasy and we don't have to worry about that.

[feral fulcrum]

Non-magical Weapon Resistance was a bit of a nothing burger however past like level 5 however.

[rough basalt]

In '24 magic weapons aren't needed for this reason.
They're wanted cause they're fun and nice to have.

[feral fulcrum]

Since magical weapons were handed out like candy

[timber turtle]

physics wise

[humble cairn]

Ahh physics. Physics is nice, but it's not true in my fantasy games.

[timber turtle]

gnomes could be real the goverment just hides it

[feral fulcrum]

I think you're unerestimating A: how cutting works B: How little force it takes to swing a sword properly?

[flint ledge]

Number 1 I don't think that's true at all. Number 2 if in a world of meteor swarm and Dragons gnomes are your problem then I don't even know

[humble cairn]

...

[feral fulcrum]

They're not 100 Pound blunt objects.

[humble cairn]

... how did we get to government conspiracies that fast!?

[flint ledge]

Swords are like a few pounds, they're not even actually all that heavy

[feral fulcrum]

Trolling and shitposting, that's how.

[humble cairn]

Oh. sigh I fall for it all the time since I take almost everything seriously.

[wanton raft]

Got it! Definitely switching to magical then

[wanton raft]

I don't think we should call all 3 foot people gnomes

[rough basalt]

I like the removal of non-magical in '24 cause it let's martials use multiple weapons without any issues.

[humble cairn]

I feel like you don't have to start worrying about it until Tier 3 maybe?

[humble cairn]

Me too! No more speedbump to builds in requiring magical weapons.

[timber turtle]

is making one joke trolling and shitposting? I dont meant to make anyone mad

[wanton raft]

Tier 3 is like level 7 right?

Idk I have 2100 gold and I need to get something

[rough basalt]

Level 11

[flint ledge]

I don't even know why they designed it like that in the first place the 2024 MM really improved on that imo

[wanton raft]

Oh wow

[rough basalt]

Cause it was a holdover from older editions

In older editions a lot of monsters couldn't be hurt at all without magic weapons, ethereal enemies like Ghosts ect. For example.

[humble cairn]

Was that a joke? Sorry, I am bad with jokes.

[feral fulcrum]

And nobodies mad? I just consider "Lol gubbment hiding Gnomes are real." to be prime shit-posting.

[timber turtle]

I just dont want people to hate me

[wanton raft]

I mean we just nearly died to an earth elemental. Been on high alert

[wanton raft]

I love you stranger

[flint ledge]

Though it has its own issues like minimal lore but that's the new design philosophy I suppose

[feral fulcrum]

Depends on what you face in earlier tiers, there's probably some things in Tier 1 with Resistance to Non-magical weapons, and definitely some in Tier 2.

[rough basalt]

Well that's mainly cause the original books were designed with Forgotten Realms being the standard setting I believe.

[humble cairn]

In Tier 1? That seems like bad design.

[rough basalt]

Where as it's now more setting agnostic.

[feral fulcrum]

Yes, but it's WOTC, they've fumbled alot over the years.

[flint ledge]

Yeah, now I'm seeing them shift to a much more open standard

[humble cairn]

Good thing they removed that, imo.

[rough basalt]

Cause for example, in FR, Metallic and Chromatic Dragons are inherently natured with occasional exceptions but in Eberron every dragon is a free willed individual.

[feral fulcrum]

I still can't believe Shadows are only CR 1/2

[rough basalt]

Just kill them.

[flint ledge]

Wait was Ebberon not part of the FR?

[humble cairn]

No, they're entirely different worlds.

[rough basalt]

FR is just one planet and it's moon.

[flint ledge]

Wait is FR just Faerun

[humble cairn]

Toril, or Abeir Toril?

[rough basalt]

Oh right Abeir

[rough basalt]

Officially pretty much.

There's other places but they weren't made by Ed and were made very problematic so WotC just barely acknowledges them.

[feral fulcrum]

Swarms of them, bad iniative rolls, no save on strength drain, resistant to non magical attacks. Depend on exactly when and where and how you encounter them detirmines whether it's a Cake Walk, or "Oh wow he just instantly died. Okay, that's a thing."

[rough basalt]

Always have a pocket level 3 Light Cleric and a pocket level 3 Div wizard with a 20 portent for their initiative

[flint ledge]

Actually I have a question for y'all might be more of a DM thing but how do you implement older monsters into 2024?

[feral fulcrum]

Some big "Git gud" Energy.

[rough basalt]

I mean it's true.
Getting hit is a choice you make.

[feral fulcrum]

You just use the statblocks from 2014. There were no mechanical changes to monsters and how they function.

[rough basalt]

If you want it enough, that dm roll will be a 1 every time.

[feral fulcrum]

If you're talking about things from PRevious editions however, different story, and not my wheelhouse.

[rough basalt]

'24 Monsters have more HP and Prof/Expertise in initiative which is the change I make for older 5e statblocks.

[feral fulcrum]

"it rolled a 20, guess you chose to be hit." ???

[rough basalt]

Typically I max out the old statblocks HP on their hit die and give them prof/expertise in initiative and that works well

[rough basalt]

True. On some level, you wanted that crit.

For example, in my Tuesday game, I've only critted once in 10 sessions and it was on a 5hp trash mob.
It's because if I critted too much, the adventure would be over.

Alright I'm growing bored of the bit. I'm actually getting kinda ticked cause I only roll 19s.

Tho it was funny to hit a poor Zombie Ogre for 1d6 + 6 + 2d4 + 6 + 20d6

[flint ledge]

Where the hell are the 20d6 coming from 😭

[rough basalt]

Level 15 Rogue and it was with a Vicious dagger

16d6 from sneak attack and 4d6 from vicious dice

[flint ledge]

Ohhh rogue character yeah makes sense

[rough basalt]

Tho at least at level 20 I might get to autocrit the final boss

[flint ledge]

Yikes I hope he's gonna have quite a bit of hp

[rough basalt]

For that juicy 2d4 + 6 + 24d6 with all my sneak attack dice being a minimum of 3 for 72 damage minimum, which I hope I don't roll minimum but hey that's nice anyways.

[feral fulcrum]

Inb4 you roll all 1's

[spring glen]

tomorrows dnd

Running mad mage with 7 players, hopefully my scaling the hp is enough

[dusky briar]

I’ve done it.

I prepped mostly for session tommorow. It’s on the rails— but boy am I proud of what I was able to write.

[spring glen]

Twinzies

[dusky briar]

Starting Mad Mage or What floor?

[feral fulcrum]

With 7 Players you should be plenty fine.

[spring glen]

doing dungeon of the mad mage starting at floor 1

[feral fulcrum]

Pretty sure most adventures have like 4/5 people in mind.

[spring glen]

their characters are made

I scaled all health up 25% should be enough

also added some monsters but not too much

[dusky briar]

Gotcha. I had a group go to just below a notable landmark— then we kinda wanted something else than a dungeon crawl for abit.

Theres some fun and funny stuff in the first few levels.

[spring glen]

I am going to roll on all my goblins for nilbogisum

[rough basalt]

Ye if it happens it happens. 72 damage minimum is still very fun

[spring glen]

should add chaos

[rough basalt]

The bigger priority is my rogue surviving the adventure so she can achieve her last goal for life.

[past blaze]

Ever have a character die in a single-digit-number of sessions and that immediately has rippling consequences for character arcs for the foreseeable future

[spring glen]

only one of my players rolled a 18 but only after he rolled a bloody 5 for a stat

[dusky briar]

I remember attuning to an artifact in the dungeon— and the barbarian gave me impromptu surgery in my torso region.

[rough basalt]

I had a PC get donjond in the 1st session and it's been the background driving factor of the campaign even tho the players gone.

[spring glen]

I have a mix of classes and races

one of my players are going a Plasmoid mercy monk

[past blaze]

Ah, that's much worse.

My guy just died and is likely going to get even more dark-bargain'd into being an undead 'puppet' to do some probably evil thing in exchange for getting his flesh-and-blood life back after the deed...

[spring glen]

sorry "species"

[flint ledge]

Wasn't mercy monk kinda busted?

[rough basalt]

I offered a deal like that once but it made a player leave.

[spring glen]

I think the most interesting is I have 1 player going wizard/ranger moon elf

[rough basalt]

Even tho it was just an offer.

[spring glen]

I dont ban anything at my table

I like tellong the story

[rough basalt]

Mercy Monk was decent. I wouldn't say busted

It even got some minor buffs and it's good

[spring glen]

they got greater mark of healing

[flint ledge]

I mean I've just heard it somewhere, no idea how true that is

[dusky briar]

Seems like a very hard split to manage

[spring glen]

they are relitivly a new player at my table this is his first character he made

[rough basalt]

I thought I'd be feeling more nervous about what Im trying to do but not so much.

[dusky briar]

13 minimum in Dex, Intel and Wisdom. nah— I’d Win.

[spring glen]

he is playing a npc character in lost mines with us so im excited to see what he can make

[rough basalt]

Running paid games, the idea terrified me, but after talking about it with someone I feel pretty fine.

[spring glen]

one of my players has been dming since life happened so I have a wonderful dnd group

[past blaze]

I'm the one who offered like 3 avenues for "How do we not immediately lose all this writing and really twist the moral knife in this good nigh-pacifistic nature-loving bogborn (trollkin)"
And it seems like the undead-loan before getting a proper revival in exchange for a morally dubious deed, is the most interesting option for my DM.

And my party called me paranoid when I was making a backup character idea or worrying over dying really early

[rough basalt]

I try not to think about backup characters cause sometimes I'll wanna play them instead

[spring glen]

I gave all my players 1 uncommon item and 2 random commons

[dusky briar]

I can’t stop making characters— I love them all.

[spring glen]

since they are starting at level 5

[flint ledge]

I have some players who have a few too many backup characters

[dusky briar]

|| My current big interesting dude in my campaign is a repurposed character from another campaign we didn’t finish— morally dubious dude that became a Dark Lord of his own Dreadplane||

I love character ideas— ones I get to play and repurpose esspecially

[past blaze]

I kinda don't have that issue because I have a LOT of writing and characterization in my guy already, which is why both of us leapt at the chance of "How do we make this continue his story with some moral-knife-twisting..."
Like so far my backup idea is "bat guy monster-hunter with a big bowgun"

[rough basalt]

Nice.

[flint ledge]

They seem to think I want to kill them at every turn despite the fact that only one character died throughout the entire campaign.

[rough basalt]

I realized something I think is very important for my desire to run a paid game. And it's that I take all my games I run seriously like I'm being paid for it so the only real difference is this one actually will be.

[past blaze]

Also I literally didn't even get to use my subclass this was the first fight at level 3 and I was downed right before my turn where I was going to do some things with it
like the only subclass thing I had ever done so far was "talk to a rogue's daggers with Weapon Whisperer, they were calm" and that was it

[rough basalt]

That's pretty unfortunate

[past blaze]

Like don't get me wrong there's no malice between us it was just a

"Interesting."
"I am dead."
And both of us immediately started cooking how to wrench out some moral conflict and some pain

[rough basalt]

My rogues endgame for if she survives the campaign is probably my silliest character epilogue.

[past blaze]

I've already started imagining my guy's epilogue becoming a semi-demonic nature cryptid

[rough basalt]

Her goal is to just flatout quit afterwards

[past blaze]

Reasonable retirement plan

[rough basalt]

Level 20 housewife ending, pure cinema.

[past blaze]

My guy in the prior campaign became an earth elemental spirit manipulating gravity to continue aiding his mining company
and then he kinda just became one with nature
The law of gravity returned to nature instead of in the hands of a dwarf

[rough basalt]

It'll be funny to imagine Bane looking at his former most accomplished Scion rogue ruling the city housewife world with an iron skillet.

[past blaze]

But yeah, true. Pure cinema.
Next campaign you get to find the "retired level 20" just cooking up some stew lol

[rough basalt]

The Black Pan of Bane

[past blaze]

But the worst part of all of what's going on with my dead guy?
Next week has a schedule issue so it's delayed by a week. I have to wait an entire fortnight instead of just a regular week.

[rough basalt]

Ah that always sucks.

[past blaze]

Call me the owner of a french bakery because pain

[feral fulcrum]

It wasn't level 20, but I basically had a Housewife ending in my second campaign (That was ended prematurely due to the group being a bad fit. leading to burnout.) Fairy Rune Knight completed her quest for a Trinket someone stole from Titania, went back to the Feywild with a Centaur Knight she won a contest again earlier in the campaign, started proper courtship.

[past blaze]

On the other hand tomorrow I run a combat months in the making with a few sneaky sorts and some automation on the map
snipers can be fun

[feral fulcrum]

As long as they're not Memetic Min-Maxed snipers from hell

Nobody likes 1200 Feet away EB Snipers

[past blaze]

Nah, it's more the "has a magitech railgun but is perched on top of a precarious tower" sniper. They also set thunder traps.

The sniper enemy always has to be squishiest, that's like the law or something

[severe rampart]

My party has killed this ogre zombie thrice now and it keeps on reviving itself 😭

[reef tundra]

I love the zombies’ ability to bring themselves back

I remember in one campaign the party faced zombies at level 1 and they were actually intimidating while not being too big of a challenge

[exotic sinew]

How did your session go yesterday

[severe rampart]

Rolled a lot of natural 1

[exotic sinew]

Oh nooooooo

[reef tundra]

The dice gods were cruel :(

[severe rampart]

Amazing session I DMed today

[slim lark]

brainstorming some ways to deal with a fiend in 5e2024, so far diving intervention for planar binding would control it, but is there a way to permanently kill it from there?

if i told it to die, sent it back to its home plane, would it then die there permanently?

[vale kettle]

I think so

Read a fiends statistic it usually says there

[slim lark]

i guess my concern is would planar binding end if i send it back to its home plane by killing it

[reef tundra]

I’d try use some sort of planar travel with banishment to banish the fiend, then teleport after it and finish it there

[slim lark]

gonna be 11th level max so i dont think i get plane shift at that point

[vale kettle]

Yes

[reef tundra]

Oh darn :(

A party in my game once killed Asmodeus using something similar

[slim lark]

i suppose banishment would work though

planar binding, banish it, then cast sending to order it to kill itself

[reef tundra]

Hmm yeah, I think that would work

[slim lark]

does banishment incapacitate if it doesnt go to the harmless demiplane?

doesnt seem like it

[reef tundra]

For anyone curious they got him low, he knew he wouldn’t fully die since they were fighting in the material plane, but then the cleric cast gate behind him with the destination being the nine hells, then the Barb barely rolled high enough to kick him through, and the wizard cast disintegrate to finish him off

[vale kettle]

Oh actually if they can revive themselves… it technically doesn’t end

My bad

So duration based spell persist even if the creature dies

Crawford said that the effect of spells are usually suspended (because they are dead) until they become a valid target again (alive)

[obtuse stratus]

Okay during the time the spell persists for, the spell continues and will be active on the creature once it is a valid target again, right?

[vale kettle]

Ye?

[obtuse stratus]

Just checking because for a second I read what you said as they just... persist. Indefinitely. Same page, though, so whatever

[mystic gyro]

Congrats 🎉🥳

[severe rampart]

on Cloud 9 right now. too bad gotta wait a week for next session

[mystic gyro]

Well done man🥳 .you worked hard for this enjoy ur moment of triumph

[obtuse stratus]

That is a week to prep to have an even better session next time

[severe rampart]

Yeah!, one of my players said "It feels like the sessions are getting better and better" and I was so shocked 😭

[keen kraken]

What is leveling like in the dnd verse as a character. Like. Is it just symbolic or do you genuinely get XP and new passives and do you know it? Or is like it. To symbolize the fact your character is more experienced and smarter or stronger or whatever

[idle oar]

I wouldn't get too deep with it - D&D is a game and leveling up is a mechanic to allow characters to get more features, improve ability scores, etc.

[keen kraken]

Idk I’m just bored and ask stuff

[idle oar]

How folks decide to describe that in game is up to the table/group.

[keen kraken]

How do I get the little rainbow & you have?

[past blaze]

It's just a general matter of "as someone gets more experienced they get better" and mechanically, better is represented by bigger numbers and more things they can do

[idle oar]

id:customize and pick a server flair

[keen kraken]

Thx

[obtuse stratus]

It's not a videogame come to life. People learn and train over time to gain skills. That's why I prefer using training time with or without tutors in older editions. Modern games for some goshforsaken reason have a time pressure overhanging huge level advancement and it kind of ruins that aspect of versimilitude

[past blaze]

Ooh, fun tidbit, my DM is doing a thing where, to actually get the level up (whenever we reach XP threshold), gotta train for X amount of days, where X is the new level. So levelling up to 3, means train for 3 days.

[obtuse stratus]

Kind DM. I use 2 weeks*level with a tutor and double without (it's actually not that long in a lifetime but still a solid 5-10%)

[remote wadi]

Looking at my dnd searches again

Realize that I'm mostly jumping into random servers most of the time. How do you all make close connections so easily?

[glass granite]

I just chilled here, complimented people, and was nice enough

Then got invited to a game (that I unfortunately had to decline)

[obtuse stratus]

By developing interpersonal skills over a lifetime. Something which can be accelerated with therapy or a moderate level of effort in reading targeted therapy books and working through targeted therapy workbooks. Perhaps you need to work through some social anxiety books, perhaps you need to work through some social therapy books, etc. Maybe also you have a number of negative learned internalizations of the world around you that need specifically targeted. Perhaps you engage in too much negative self talk and it is having long term consequences on your life and you really need to develop tools in order to stop internalizing so much negativity

[remote wadi]

I mean in games as well. It could also be being in sessions that haven't lasted past 3 months, but

[humble cairn]

It wasn't exactly easy. It took a long time.

[glass granite]

Same answer then. I chilled there, complimented people, and was nice enough that they wanted to keep me around.

Mostly tried to have others around me feel valued/respected/comfortable.

[vale kettle]

i meant as in the spell will persist in its duration not indefinitely, well if you have indefinite planar bind it might as well be permanent on a creature that can respawn

[remote wadi]

I usually just feel like that is a good effort, but doesn't really change much

Might be a "but what do I know?" moment

[obtuse stratus]

Yeah, we're on the same page, lol. That's just why I checked.

[obtuse stratus]

Because you're internalizing negativity instead of positivity, you are engaging in negative self talk. Seek help.

[remote wadi]

No, I mean like

There's being a good person and eventually having them see that

But it doesn't really lead into a deeper connection that lasts

From what I've seen

Maybe I can eventually search for in person DnD in the future

[obtuse stratus]

Yes, but you are getting in your own way with a level of negativity in there that is discoloring your image of the relationships around you. Seek help.

[remote wadi]

-_-

[humble cairn]

You do do a lot of negative self talk.

[glass granite]

And your mindset does get in the way of things sometimes

-# though does telling people to seek help count as professional advice?

Idk anymore, it’s late and I’m tired

[remote wadi]

No, but it is not exactly the most productive

[humble cairn]

There's something to be said for how much easier it was as a kid to just say, "Hey do you want to be friends?" and that was that.

[glass granite]

I mean it could help

[knotty pasture]

Hang out in a server for a prolonged period of time, blend into the community, make your due contributions to stand out in some way, profit

[glass granite]

This is what I did
The “standing out in some way” just happened to be dad jokes

[obtuse stratus]

This is just a learned behavior. It's easier to obtain than it is to overcome. Get therapy, find some reputable workbooks or texts, right now you are in a rut and without using the tools that exist around you it is amazingly difficult to get out of.

[humble cairn]

This is exactly what I did over in #character-discussion

[remote wadi]

Tell me about it. One of the friends that actually stuck with me was just someone I met in kindergarten. Chilled for a bit as kids and met up every so often. Was the first and almost only guy to actually wish me a happy birthday

Too bad we don't really talk that often

[humble cairn]

Goes to show you that at it's heart it's very simple.

Find someone who you vibe with, then say "Hey, you're cool! Wanna be friends?"

[remote wadi]

As a kid, sure. But this was also way before social media and whatnot

[knotty pasture]

Btw by making one's contributions, it can easily be negative too -- Everything is tracked in some form

[noble basin]

In a big server like this it might be harder as well due to sheer number of people. Smaller servers usually facilitate making friends a bit easier due to more interaction with specific individuals

[humble cairn]

The truth of it is still there. Humans are still humans.

[remote wadi]

Not just the numbers. How easily someone can just jump ship and move on plays a part

[humble cairn]

Or sometimes just hanging out in a specific channel rather than general. Like I said before, some of the channels here have very different cultures to other channels.

[noble basin]

This is definitely true

[noble basin]

True

[hot gate]

And people jump around. I often peek into here and often don't feel like it's a discussion I want to have. But that's fine.

[glass granite]

For example, I chill in here, #character-discussion and #dnd-newcomers . Though idk which one I had the most impact in

[obtuse stratus]

Agree and disagree with that. Look at Ophidimancer, already starting to like him, and The Voice of (cant recall, sorry) already like them and.... Regular contribution and just being around can actually be really fast to developing bonds, I've only been here a couple days

[humble cairn]

I'm mostly in #character-discussion myself.

[humble cairn]

Aww, shucks! ❤️

[glass granite]

Ophid was one of the first people I recall chatting with on the server

[hot gate]

It's definitely harder to stick out, but don't underestimate the power that a single message can have on someone just by happenstance.

[glass granite]

Deva (hello) and Star, and Ti, and Mr Smith (god he gives good advice), and Urizt once or twice were the first I met iirc

At least they were the ones that left the most impression

Most of them probably just cuz they were relatively consistent

So hanging around the server and helping people/asking questions can help

[obtuse stratus]

Oh, right, @blissful ibex is an absolute darling contributer who carries the weight of a village around here in helpfulness.

[remote wadi]

I see

[glass granite]

Wait public call-outs aren’t allowed damn it
Lez move on

[knotty pasture]

Well tbh as it should, its easier on the psyche to jump ship and go

[humble cairn]

Oh shoot, they aren't. Even positive ones?

[knotty pasture]

No need to be that attached to one single server, especially something as huge as this

[glass granite]

I don’t particularly remember

[humble cairn]

Is it a call out if it's positive? Hmm .. I guess it would be.

[remote wadi]

Not too much of a comment there

[humble cairn]

I will say that I highly respect the folks who get into very heated debates and remain calm even while disagreeing with people and since we can't call out people I will say that it's a theoretical user called Hamms?

[remote wadi]

Uh huh

[obtuse stratus]

What do you guys mean no callouts? Because I'm not seeing it in the rules

[knotty pasture]

Its somewhere, if the person is not present with us within a tight time frame we simply cannot mention them at all, nada

[glass granite]

I could’ve sworn…
Oh maybe it’s only if it’s under “harassment”

[knotty pasture]

Dunno the time frame but its strict enough to not mess around with personally

[glass granite]

It’s under rule one, it seems as long as it’s postitive it should be safe

[humble cairn]

Ahh here it is: [Attempting to publicly accuse, call out, or "name and shame" another user, even when well-intentioned.](#1133103676718854254 message)

[remote wadi]

Well, whatever the case may be, there is a session 1 I have in 2 hours

[glass granite]

Ah there it is

[knotty pasture]

So no positive stuff then right

[humble cairn]

Boo, ahh well.

[knotty pasture]

Cuz positive stuff is well intentioned

[still plover]

Like, "beware of that Smith, he doesn't let you roll stats. Such a dictator."

[knotty pasture]

... This almost feels like deciphering PHB rules for funny exploits

[glass granite]

Indeed, ah well
Oh hi Mr Smith

[humble cairn]

We geeks are nothing if not pedantic.

[remote wadi]

Reminds me of the video Level 3 made about that

[glass granite]

Wait, what’s the definition of “call out”?
Actually probably shouldn’t push this and should go to #moderator-support . Actually I’ll do that now

[still plover]

Ahoy.

[obtuse stratus]

I'm standing by my callouts, if it's wrong I'll get warned

[remote wadi]

Guess I'll go do my own thing for a bit

[knotty pasture]

Conjuration Wizard exploits is where its at

Either mid or the absolute best depending on how far you can get away with things

[cursive thorn]

I think its this one, Just FYI

• Attempting to publicly accuse, call out, or "name and shame" another user, even when well-intentioned.

[hidden spindle]

You'd be surprised. Still works.

[remote wadi]

Then here's hoping it still does. I mean that I experience such

[severe rampart]

Getting out of my comfort zone and talking to people, helped a ton

Honestly all it takes is being nice and you'll get friends

[urban night]

when a warlock uses beast speech eldritch invocation, do they need to know speak to animals or they can just cast it even without knowing?

[hidden spindle]

The feature allows them to cast it without knowing/preparing the Spell

[remote wadi]

It's a tricky situation, to be honest. Where I know that is true for most people, but not exactly how it went for myself. It could be chalked up to a bad streak, but you can only do that for so long before someone understandably thinks that common denominator is the problem

So like... that is the mostly universal truth on how it works, but unfortunately it is not the universal experience

[hidden spindle]

Had a coworker who kept hopping job to job because they felt mistreated.

In fact, they had no spine to stand up for themselves.

I told them any boss they go to next will probably be the same thing.

So yeah, a little bit of a common denominator situation

They say people don't change. I disagree. It's a matter of changing it from 'thinking' to 'doing' to 'being'.

• I move.
• Main Action.
• I end my turn.

[undone rain]

Can technically paladins smite using their fists

Idk why you would but why not

[hidden spindle]

In '24, yes
In '14, no (unless its Natural Weapon)

[knotty pasture]

Well yes cuz there's also no one formula to making friends

[remote wadi]

Not sure what you mean by this. It's a little confusing

[knotty pasture]

Being nice on average does help, as does not being a debbie downer

[obtuse stratus]

So you have just received advice which you, yourself, consider generally good and how it works often. Then you twisted the situation into a negative which reinforces negative veiwpoints within yourself. This is part of negative self talk.

[hidden spindle]

I'm saying, do you. Be you. And people will see you as 'you'.

I should add, Own yourself

[remote wadi]

Probably should say what I wanted to in DMs, if that's all right

[hidden spindle]

For you, sure thing

[hidden spindle]

While Unarmed Strikes are Melee Weapon Attacks, '14 Divine Smite has an attachment stating 'weapon's damage'.

And in '14, they make it very clear, Unarmed Strikes are not 'Weapons'. To be fair, that's still the case in '24 BUT Smites added they can be used with Unarmed Strikes

[undone rain]

I see, thanks shye

[hidden spindle]

'14 Dragonborn with Dragon Hide Feat can bridge that gap.

And '14 Druid's attacks in Wild Shape and '14 Paladin's Divine Smite slaps hard

In '24, you have to be a level 19 character to do the same Divine Smite in Wild Shape...

[blissful ibex]

yup, have to have limits on wild shape to not completely break things

[still prairie]

guys

anybody alive

[blissful ibex]

perhaps

[hidden spindle]

...maybe...?

[livid owl]

I'm undead, does that count?

[still prairie]

anybody alive? recommend some fighting music pls (first time running family session)

damn i was thinking (why is this big server dead)

[livid owl]

There's lots of lengthy DND music compositions on YouTube

[knotty pasture]

Sorry I didn't cast Death Ward before taking a long rest

Rotheshite happens man

[still prairie]

sounds funny but im too new to get the reference... sadly

[knotty pasture]

Death Ward is a spell that allows you to remain at 1 hp the first time you fall to 0 hp

The buff disappears after

[shrewd thistle]

guys is there a substantial difference between 5 and 5.5?

[still prairie]

XD

[rugged hawk]

So how's that supposed to work if you get your head lopped clean off, or Disintegrated?

[stiff rock]

Rules and classes are revised but they're designed to work in tandem with one another so whichever one you use is up to preference

[knotty pasture]

Spectral tendrils pull your limbs back together

[hidden spindle]

A wizard did it

[knotty pasture]

Or I guess in the case of Disintegrate your body just reforms itself somehow

[stiff rock]

There are people who will argue that either side is objectively better, but i personally prefer 5.5

[knotty pasture]

I dunno I'm no holy magic specialist

[feral fulcrum]

It's usually slightly dead until around noon or later in most of the US.

[rugged hawk]

Disintegrate literally states that nothing short of Wish or True Resurrection can restore your lost form

[still prairie]

ah i see... beautiful for an impromptu 3 am discussion for me (coming from eastern asia)

[knotty pasture]

Actually wait I don't think that'd apply, cuz the disintegrate effect only works when you're actually at 0 hp

"The first time the target would drop to 0 hit points as a result of taking damage, the target instead drops to 1 hit point, and the spell ends."

You technically never hit 0 hp with Death Ward

So whatever on kill consequences is a safe

[blissful ibex]

yes and no: both PCs and the monsters are markedly stronger and you get more level to level as a player in 5.5e
They also removed a lot of things that bogged down combat like multi-summons and contested checks

[knotty pasture]

But since chopping off one's limbs doesn't necessarily drop them to 0 hp, the limb would just be dragged back to the body I think

[shrewd thistle]

alr thanks

[humble cairn]

However you want to describe it, maybe a flash of light interposes between you and your certain death and it never happens in the first place, leaving you shaken. HP isn't meat points after all. Maybe a spectral version of you dies in your place, the Death Ward having given you one death for free.

[humble cairn]

Death Ward makes it so you don't die in the first place.

[blissful ibex]

My Druidlock gets it at level 12 if I'm allowed to use her actual druid subclass c:

[feral fulcrum]

Death Ward negates instant death effects to, so the Singular case of Instant Decapitation (Looking at you Snicker-Snack), just doesn't occur and Death Ward pops, thus no beheaded. Or a more amusing possibility, your head does come off, but to no detriment at all.

[remote wadi]

Or to just keep things simple. We already have one spellcasting class cliche of "taking ages to plan out their current turn only to accomplish the norm/disruption"

[kindred river]

Warlock is the best class to play with no one can prove me wrong!

[flint totem]

nuh uh, cleric slams

[blissful ibex]

at least you have to prepare wildshape forms on 5.5e which speeds things up drastically XD

[kindred river]

Cleric? Seriously, what are you gonna do? "Heal the party" hahaha!

[blissful ibex]

Druidlock is better >:3

[still plover]

Requires warlock.

[flint totem]

nice argument unfortunately i have the light domain so FIREBALL

[feral fulcrum]

They're firmly capable of laying down serious damage too ya know.

[blissful ibex]

it does, but it's better than base warlock c:

[kindred river]

Yea but warlock is cool!

[blissful ibex]

I have fathomless so Lightning Bolt XD
also counterspell

[still plover]

It is. Why?

[flint totem]

especially on the starting level, it's just so devastating as a class, and it also have some of the best support spell in the game

[kindred river]

Mhh nice tactic unfortunately, Eldritch blast.

[feral fulcrum]

Power Naps, Dress Up Doll via Invocations.

[blissful ibex]

EBARB go brrrrr

[feral fulcrum]

That reminds me, I spit on whoever spearheaded the design change to Melee Cantrips requiring costed weapons. Let summoned weapons be good.

[flint totem]

Ah i see the most beloved cantrip in the game, i unfortunately have to remind you about the anti-magic field, on hand to hand combat is he really better than the far superior cleric?

[blissful ibex]

unfortunately, it doesn't dispel plant growth if the plant growth goes off first

[flint totem]

multiclassing is for the weaks

[blissful ibex]

says the one who has to dash to get only 15ft of movement while the martials pick them off with bows c:

[eager marsh]

imagine needing to move

[flint totem]

misty step entering the chat

[blissful ibex]

Not if you're also under Hunger of Hadar c:

[flint totem]

alright to reply to u i will use the best argument i have... FIREBALL

[eager marsh]

I'm hearing a lot of precast prep time in this hypothetical

[blissful ibex]

counterspell c:

[eager marsh]

neither of you can see through hunger

[blissful ibex]

you can in 5.5e

if you're outside it at least

[eager marsh]

the area cannot be illuminated at all. though technically you can see inside with darkvision

[blissful ibex]

one of my favorite changes

[eager marsh]

No it's just poorly written

[kindred river]

Counterspell your counterspell:3

[blissful ibex]

yep, Darkvision sees areas of complete darkness as dim light

[flint totem]

Alright you won on the magical offensive point of view, but what about support, nothing can really reach a cleric balance between great support and good source of damage in the caster classes

[eager marsh]

Bard

[blissful ibex]

rude! /lh XD

[flint totem]

fair enough

but cleric still better

[kindred river]

So his fireball is casted and we are blown to shreds

[eager marsh]

No because he cant see any point to target with fireball

[blissful ibex]

Yeah, more utility than support, though I run Preservation Druid which filches several spells off of cleric like Bless, Sanctuary, Beacon of Hope, Aura of Life, Death Ward, and Hallow c:

[kindred river]

What if we are in a dungeon and he just makes the fireball also hit him and all of the party

[rugged hawk]

I mean, he could always target himself with fireball

[kindred river]

That's what I said! I like you dude now.

[eager marsh]

irrelevant. he has to targeta point he can see and he cant see himself either

[blissful ibex]

Fireball isn't LoS, You just Target a point in range, not one that you see

[eager marsh]

oh weird. it doesnt say point you can see anymore

[flint totem]

cwel

[remote wadi]

2014 Wild Magic, baby

[eager marsh]

the inferior wild magic table

[remote wadi]

I disagree

[kindred river]

I agree

[livid owl]

My DM wants my wild magic sorcerer to blow up so bad he made a custom item that, if used more than once a day, spells 'disaster'

[eager marsh]

your DM is just mean

[remote wadi]

It is worse in terms of optimization, but then is it really Wild Magic?

[livid owl]

It's ok we all want him to blow up

The sorcerer, I mean

I do not wish my DM to blow up

[blissful ibex]

also have decent access to heal spells and stuff like Aid and whatnot

[kindred river]

Another fellow warlock i see :3

[livid owl]

LOL

[flint totem]

someone who actually likes the ranger, i bow before your greatness

[livid owl]

Ironically I have the warlock symbol but I've probably played warlock the least amount of times
Thematically it's my favorite class though

[blissful ibex]

Bloodline's ranger had a terrible party though q_q

[knotty pasture]

Do you mean the good Wild Magic (Barb) or the bad Wild Magic (Sorc)

[flint totem]

well same thing with me and the cleric, i didn't play it much, but man the concept of being a fanboy that actually hurt or heal people, depending on the people, it's just amazing to me

[knotty pasture]

Cuz Wild Magic Barb is pretty legit

[kindred river]

Light and darkness-

[flint totem]

no, don't say that

[blissful ibex]

That's what Celestial Warlock is for

[remote wadi]

Fun class, overlooked one from the game "changing"

[remote wadi]

Sorc

[humble cairn]

Ranger is great! I'm having a great time on my Beast Master.

[remote wadi]

I love the 2014 Wild Magic Table

[knotty pasture]

Yeah that is more of a meme subclass than serious

Wild Magic Barb however continues to cook

[flint totem]

but at least it did improve a slightly bit in the new 2024 version or not?

[knotty pasture]

Effectiveness scales based on spellcasters in the team too

[livid owl]

My wild magic sorcerer turned blue last session 😭

Both of my other team members could've taken remove curse. They did Not LMAO

We love being mean to him

[remote wadi]

Not sure, I don't play 2024 much. Most of the problems just come from the campaign and party itself

[humble cairn]

Are you talking about Ranger? Because yes there were improvements for sure.

[flint totem]

oh cool, I want to grasp as much good information on the 2024 edition as i can to convince myself to buy it LOL

[blissful ibex]

that's the type of spell you just grab a scroll of

[humble cairn]

Ranger '24 is largely similar to Tasha's Ranger, but with a few things streamlined. A few of the bandaids that Tasha's did to fix the awkward features were normalized and made a better integrated part of the class.

[knotty pasture]

Gloom Stalker got dethroned at last, long live the queen

(Until the reprint, Swarmkeeper takes its place)

[livid owl]

Oh that's funny you assume my DM would provide a scroll of remove curse (I'm joking he probably WILL it'll just be a few sessions because we love torturing my wild magic sorcerer)

[humble cairn]

It's not technically a whole new edition, seeing as you can use most of the 2014 stuff with it. But overall I would say that the many small changes in it were over 90% improvements.

[hidden spindle]

Preventative Spells are my goto picks, sorry not sorry

[blissful ibex]

you can just buy them in any city or large town, they're like 300 gp RAW in 5.5e

[blissful ibex]

Hard to prevent a curse XD

[humble cairn]

Also you can read it for yourself, the basic rules are free: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024

[livid owl]

Aha! That's where you're wrong! We're on the lamb as the country we're in is run by cultists!

It's also a homebrew campaign so y'know

It's silly we're having fun. Also my character is a fairy so he just made a lateral move from green to blue so ,

[eager marsh]

I'm fairly sure remove curse as a scroll is more than 300 cuz the material component

[blissful ibex]

Identify would probs come the closest to that

[hidden spindle]

D&D curses are a curse in of themselves

[eager marsh]

Identify very specifically cannot find a curse

[flint totem]

It's fun cause i have the monster manual from 2014, but never bought the player handbook, i just learned everything i needed online, on videos ect., but searching spell online all the time became a bit annoying, so i'm thinking of buying my first edition, if the 2024 is better, i might aswell choose that

[empty thicket]

still got a lot of features at first level of the subclass
Speed, intative upgrade and damage feature that scale

[hidden spindle]

That's why we have a squire!

[blissful ibex]

Remove Curse is V,S
there is no material component?

[humble cairn]

You don't have to go into it blind or rely on youtubers whoare often wrong, you can read the rules yourself for free. https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024

[flint totem]

you are right, but having it physically is always better

[blissful ibex]

what's the point of it that if you can just identify an item automatically on a short rest then

[humble cairn]

But in terms of learning the rules, you can try before you buy.

[hidden spindle]

Knowing what I know now, going in blind has its blindspots.

Like in UNO where no one told me you could challenge a Draw 4!

[eager marsh]

because that only works if you attune to it. also i was thinking greater restoration mb

[blissful ibex]

it explicitly doesn't require attunement https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/equipment#IdentifyingaMagicItem

The Identify spell is the fastest way to reveal an item’s properties. Alternatively, you can focus on one magic item during a Short Rest while being in physical contact with the item. At the end of the rest, you learn its properties and how to use them (but not any curse the item might bear).

[knotty pasture]

Oh yeah but its definitely a lot worse now, 2014 Swarmkeeper is probably better than 2024 Gloom Stalker kinda thing

[eager marsh]

Interesting. Anyways the point is knowing right away and you cant use that short rest to also attune if you decide the item is worth it after

[knotty pasture]

Previously Gloom Stalker was its own thing

[hidden spindle]

It was?

[flint totem]

thanks for the advices man

[blissful ibex]

To be fair, identify also works for creatures to determine spells on them, as well as the uses of magical objects that are not magic items

[hidden spindle]

I really enjoyed pre-Tasha Ranger. Beast Master

[flint totem]

see y'all

[paper portal]

personally hunter was always my favourite ranger sub

[humble cairn]

Wow .. that's rare.

[empty thicket]

i like Hunter 2014, it give some nice features for either range or close combat. Mostly offensive to a class that already is often utility

[paper portal]

2014 ranger did set a record for most useless 1st level

[blissful ibex]

they broke the barrage attack Hunter gets going from 5e to 5.5e q_q

[knotty pasture]

By that I mean like, the difference between Gloom Stalker (#1) and Swarmkeeper (#2) is a lot larger than let's say Swarmkeeper and Hunter (#3)

[paper portal]

oh no what happened to it

[hidden spindle]

Give it a go! Change your beast. Let's them free & pick up a new one, typically the Spider or Rat in the corner of the Tavern

[fringe river]

Hey I am relatively new to D&D, and I am looking to take part in a new campaign where can I find groups of people to play with. There is currently 2 of us looking

[knotty pasture]

Gloom Stalker single handedly saved Ranger's reputation in 2014 to some extent

[blissful ibex]

they nixed it, its gone

[paper portal]

😭 why thats so undeserved

[hidden spindle]

I'm not a fan of the whole spirit animal companion

[paper portal]

the thing that made ranger insanely good was pass without trace but most parties dont wanna always play for stealth (me included)

so yeah short of that gloom kinda carries

[knotty pasture]

Gloom also synergizes best with PWT too

[blissful ibex]

Ye, It's the only spell I generally cast off of Staff of the Woodlands XD

[knotty pasture]

Get like 5 attacks in by sneaking up on someone before the enemy can even take a turn

Basically everything dies

[paper portal]

the busted 6 way multiclass is so peak

[knotty pasture]

It is an artstyle

[blissful ibex]

Surprised just gives enemies disadvantage on the initiative roll, and being hidden now just makes you invisible which also gives you advantage on the roll; they got rid of surprise rounds in 5.5e

[paper portal]

yeah completely warranted nerf lmao surprise was so busted

[knotty pasture]

Taken out back and shot, Funny Stalker

[timber quartz]

hello fellow nerds :3! /j

[hidden spindle]

Also led to tpk

[tawdry sentinel]

Find a non attunement item in dungeon. No idea what it does. Identify makes it usable right away.

Oh and by the way it also has a magical tracking effect on it.

[blissful ibex]

But ye, My Druidlock gets both PWT and then gets silence via Fathomless Patron

[paper portal]

if you had a party going for surprise every encounter it just makes pwt the best spell in the game

[blissful ibex]

really good at setting up some shenanigans

[timber quartz]

ooo nice!

[empty thicket]

yeah... lets say favored foe and natural explorer were...a thing

[paper portal]

i love playing low wis druids ngl

generally in exchange for high cha and warlock levels

[hidden spindle]

Enjoyable than whatever came after it, even if it is harder to use if at all

[blissful ibex]

i start her with 16 in both
high Cha druid is incredibly uncommon XD

[knotty pasture]

Optional features saved Ranger from two dead class traits

[paper portal]

its what i live for

[paper portal]

and thats why tasha's is everyone's (or like most maybe idk) favourite book

[knotty pasture]

Its my favourite cuz customizable origins!!

[blissful ibex]

has 18 wis and a 5/5 class split by level 10

[timber quartz]

real but I especially love playing as tieflings and half elves!

[knotty pasture]

No more +2/+1 in weird stats I don't need

[paper portal]

its my favourite cus genie warlock

[obtuse stratus]

God I love characters with charisma and intelligence. I always find them disused, my only gripe is the skill system in 5e. It was much easier to invest a few points in 3e than it is now

[empty thicket]

if you were lucky to remember them and using them in some moment in the campaign

[paper portal]

its so unusual to see someone have more than 2 levels in a warlock multiclass having the short rest level 3 spells is awesome

[hidden spindle]

Yup. I use the tools I'm given

But i get it

[blissful ibex]

She has a +1 int and can apply her Wis to Arcana and Nature checks so she sort of plays as if being high Int as well c:

[desert river]

Any place here to join champaigns to gain acces to books so i could make a character and leave?

(On dnd beyond)

[blissful ibex]

Gives her more slots for Conjure animals, and Sleet Storm, Lightning Bolt, Counterspell, and Hunger of Hadar are all amazing spells <3

[hidden spindle]

You can build one without that with free rules

[desert river]

Not on dndbeyond

[blissful ibex]

Just be aware that asking for this is against ToS for the server

[blissful ibex]

You can use the free rules to build a character in both D&D beyond and in roll 20

[desert river]

Didnt know, thats why i asked if there is a place for this on the server

[desert river]

And get one rogue subclass

[paper portal]

exactly!! i get that nothing is as good as spell slot progression but spamming stuff like that is cool as hell

[hidden spindle]

Yup

[paper portal]

especially plant growth ill always be amazed that its non concentration

[desert river]

Zzzzz

[blissful ibex]

Here's the links:
dnd beyond character builder
roll20

[desert river]

Gang

It wasnt that complicated pf a question

Im asking if anyone has a campaign on dndbeyond so i might had more books/choices to choose from

Well more like if there was a place on this server to ask for that

[livid owl]

I don't think we can help you circumvent paying for content, but if you do join a campaign with content sharing you can make your character there.

If you have the physical books, you CAN use the homebrew tools on DND beyond to port the content onto DND beyond

[paper portal]

there isn't

[blissful ibex]

she's got a really nice spell list

At level 10, assuming she got her Staff of the Woodlands: (Less one cantrip if I had to sub out Telekinetic for Mounted Combatant)

Cantrips: Control Flames, Create Bonfire, Druidcraft, Eldritch Blast, Elementalism, Guidance, Mage Hand, Mending, Message, Minor Illusion, Prestidigitation, Ray of Frost

1st Level: Absorb Elements, Animal Friendship, Bless, Create/Destroy Water, Detect Magic, Find Familiar*, Fog Cloud, Goodberry, Identify, Sanctuary Speak with Animals, Tenser's Floating Disk, Thunder Wave, Unseen Servant

2nd Level: Aid, Barkskin, Gust of Wind, Invisibility, Locate Animals or Plants, Suggestion, Lesser Restoration, Pass Without Trace, Protection from Poison, Silence, Warding Wind,

3rd Level: Aura of Vitality, Beacon of Hope, Conjure Animals, Counterspell, Dispel Magic, Hunger of Hadar, Lightning Bolt, Plant Growth, Revivify, Sleet Storm, Speak With Plants,

5th Level: Awaken

6th Level: Wall of Thorns

[desert river]

Homebrew is also paid sadly, but thanks for the answer 🫡

[paper portal]

damn thats a lot of spells

[blissful ibex]

though roll 20 makes this process líne 20x easier XD

[livid owl]

LOL I'm so used to DND beyond man 😭
Also I have the Beyond 20 extension which works in foundry too so it's kinda nicer?

[still plover]

I've never got on with the Charactermancer. Not sure why.

[livid owl]

Same

[paper portal]

i just manually write stuff in

i dont like either of them lol

[vale kettle]

google doc sheet

[paper portal]

broken strat

[livid owl]

Y'all just living life on the edge

[obtuse stratus]

How does Foundry treat you? I have been screwed by it on like half my characters now

[vale kettle]

wdym

[livid owl]

Not sure what you mean? If you're asking as a DM I've never used foundry on that side of the table before, but as a player both foundry games I've played have been pretty good? It's just you can't port your actual character sheet very easily

[livid owl]

Me not being able to fathom typing in all my dice rolls LOL

[vale kettle]

Is it that hard?

[livid owl]

No but I'm just spoiled by this point

[obtuse stratus]

Okay. I mostly mean like I came in playing an Abjuration Wizard and it couldn't handle the Arcane Ward ability, couple other things but that is the one that really drove me up a wall

[long coyote]

I might be mistaken, but to the extent of my searching, nobody has made a list of dnd publications, I find that odd, considering the age and popularity of the game

[vale kettle]

dndbeyond makes it very easy for players to play dnd to the point they would probably be lost trying to play pen and paper

[livid owl]

OHHHHH yeah idk, I think it's all a lot on the DM's coding it in end? I haven't played a spellcaster in foundry yet lol

[obtuse stratus]

What do you mean a list? Every list I have ever wanted, I have found

[paper portal]

yeah arcane ward is weird cus it doesnt either of the established health pools

[obtuse stratus]

Correct. So being next to a Twilight Cleric turned into a nightmare of things overwriting eachother

[paper portal]

i gotta say for a defensive wizard sub war is definitely my favourite

[long coyote]

All of the official rulebooks, modules, adventures, and magazines in one place

[still plover]

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Dungeons_%26_Dragons_rulebooks&wprov=rarw1

[long coyote]

I'm using that to make mine, but that's just the rulebooks, there's tons of dnd content not included there

[still plover]

Such as?

[blissful ibex]

Adventures, Dungeon magazine, Charity rewards, UAs, etc.

[still plover]

Ahh. That's getting into the weeds.

[humble cairn]

Oh I had tons of fun as a War Wizard.

[long coyote]

I've been trying to find/make this list since I saw a video about the first time separate rules for women were introduced to the game, in some obscure issue of Dragon

[blissful ibex]

yeah... that was a thing

[obtuse stratus]

Pretty sure there is a wiki around that at LEAST lists the articles in each of the Dragon magazines. I've used it to hunt down some of the naming articles

Yeah the Eberon Fandom has dragon magazines on it. Just googled Dragon Magazine 324 Fandom, and so does the Forgotten Realms wiki

[vestal crow]

cant you use 2 hand crossbows and attack with one action and one bonus action without the crossbow expert feat ?

[obtuse stratus]

5e or 5.5e?

[vestal crow]

5e i didnt knew there was a difference

[obtuse stratus]

Dunno, I dropped hasbro so not sure what 5.5e is doing

[empty thicket]

2014 // 2024 in theory

[sterile axle]

Hai :3

[sterile axle]

I'm back :3

[empty thicket]

me too, hi there.
Any favorite spell?

[sterile axle]

Never used a magician

Only barbarian

[vestal crow]

i meant the crossbow expert feat being different in 5.5e and 5e

[empty thicket]

it now add the damage in extra attack? or its something new?

[sterile axle]

Bai :3

[vestal crow]

yeah turns out i dont need two weapon fighting if i have crossbow expert since it adds the modifier to the extra attack

[sterile axle]

Why

My gif :c

[still plover]

Current rules... looks like yes. That's the 2024 update, also called 5.5.

[obtuse stratus]

So it says in the loading property that you can only fire 1 piece of ammunition from it when you use an action, bonus action, or reaction to fire it. Sounds like a Sage Advice situation because "or" is a bit vague

[empty thicket]

try to dont feed him, no gifs and images. He got kinda overweight and is in diet now in day

[sterile axle]

Oh

I'm also on a diet, I understand

[still plover]

I think that is the part that excludes Extra Attack. But #dnd-rules would know for sure.

(Am curious so have asked. Sounds like fun and a possible build for a rogue.)

[obtuse stratus]

And with the feat I've definitely seen that you don't need a free hand somewhere (I think it was sage advice)

Okay 2024 says you don't need a hand free (with the feat)

[vestal crow]

so if im not having a stroke, it basically makes it so that if im using 2 hand crossbows i dont need two weapon fighting since it basically gives the same thing to the crossbows

[obtuse stratus]

Yes.

In fact the wording in 2024 makes it redundant if you have both.

Here we are, from Reddit: Note that crossbows have the ammunition property, which states (among other things):

Drawing the ammunition is part of the attack (you need a free hand to load a one-handed weapon)

So if they are wielding two hand crossbows, they can't load either of them, so they could only fire each one once. If you're playing with the 5e24 rules the Crossbow Expert feat will bypass this restriction, but the 5e14 version of the same feat does not.

[humble cairn]

Also, if drawing the ammunition is part of the attack, then you can't fire them once, either.

Well if you juggled them maybe. Let's see. Hand crossbow in one hand, free hand to draw and fire, then use stow the crossbow. Next attack you draw the crossbow and use your free hand to draw the ammo. Ok yeah you could do it, you just need to have Extra Attack and juggle.

This relies on 2024 rules for drawing and stowing as part of your Attack Action.

[vestal crow]

also can i use the gloomstalkers (5e) extra attack with the off hand crossbow ? (i know wont be able to use my bonus action to attack without the feat)

[feral fulcrum]

If you can draw it, or it's already in your hands, you can attack with it

[timber turtle]

Are knights more often fighters or paladins?

[jolly agate]

Fighters

[humble cairn]

Both. "Knight" is a flavor and a profession. You could make one of any class, but they probably more stereotypically wear armor, shields, and ride mounts.

[jolly agate]

Paladins are nerds

[humble cairn]

Knights are a position of nobility which in the feudal system implied they have land and are expected to defend it, usually under the authority of a monarch.

[atomic moat]

Galahad was a paladin, the rest of the round table I believe were fighters.

[timber turtle]

Is origin of paladins just knights under king Charlemagne?

[obtuse stratus]

Or hire some mercenaries to defend it while they stand around court being posh

[humble cairn]

Well yeah, an army under your leadership is also you defending your land.

[humble cairn]

Perhaps, but remember that D&D Paladins are not really connected to anything with historical accuracy nor are they meant to be.

[blissful ibex]

A perfect situation to use the Bastion Ruleset c:

[undone rain]

Mostly just loosely based

[humble cairn]

It's a neat addition!

[marble lion]

nobility is administration

paying for mercenaries and giving them the order to defend an area is absolutely you protecting the area

[obtuse stratus]

Just a minor bit of humor poking fun at a romanticized concept of what a knight is.

[marble lion]

i wish we forgot about reality and people just believed in the romantics

[humble cairn]

And even if you're off at court and participating in tourneys or something, it was often so you could make money from either the crown or your winnings to fund said army.

[obtuse stratus]

I mean you live your fantasies, I'll live mine, there's room for both

[blissful ibex]

also taxes in grain and such collected from your holdings

if you're landed at least

[knotty pasture]

Personally its a bit of both

The major difference is how they gain their power I suppose

[blissful ibex]

Ranger works as well

[obtuse stratus]

Still kind of prefer the OSE Advanced class of Knight for that role. But as a background you could probably pull it off with any of them as a rank/title

[marble lion]

but then i keep reading about how knights and samurai arent the super amazing cool guys i want them to be

[humble cairn]

Oh no, not at all.

[knotty pasture]

I felt like Rangers are less knights but more assassins at best on that regard, no subclass is stereotypically screaming knightly behavior, just that they have specific targets they excel at taking out to keep the peace

Like the difference between a special intelligence agency agent vs a cop or soldier

[humble cairn]

Knight is a profession and a bit of an aesthetic. I could make one of every class.

[obtuse stratus]

Then make your own world where they are. As we grow older we get more jaded, we learn things. But D&D is fantasy it doean't need to mirror reality

[blissful ibex]

Cavalier Fighter

[blissful ibex]

For ranger, Beast Master, Drakewarden or Monster Slayer

[humble cairn]

And then we have the subclasses that are literally called Knights.

[blissful ibex]

Hunter could also work

[knotty pasture]

Of the ten Fighter subclasses, six of them have something to do with knighthood

[humble cairn]

Conquest Paladins are alternatively called Hell Knights.

[hot marlin]

Uh, what? I see only Banneret and Cavalier that could be considered knights

As in, the social institution of knighthood

[humble cairn]

Rune Knight, Eldritch Knight

[blissful ibex]

Samurai, kindof

[hot marlin]

After that, yeah maybe rune knight and eldritch knight and echo knight. But that's not really related to knighthood

[obtuse stratus]

Aaaand we have 6

[knotty pasture]

Eldritch Knight, Rune Knight, Samurai (essentially Japanese knights irl), Echo Knight

[blissful ibex]

Cavalier too!

[knotty pasture]

I was gonna list the missing ones lol

[hot marlin]

Are we qualifying something as "knight" because it's called a knight or because it's meant to evoke a playstyle reminiscent of actual historical knighthood?

[knotty pasture]

Both

[obtuse stratus]

Yes.

[humble cairn]

Not knowing enough about actual historical knighthood to say, so I'm gonna say being called a knight and the stereotypical portrayal of knighthood from popular media.

[hot marlin]

Fair enough

[humble cairn]

All things considered I'm going to guess that it's mostly wrong.

[hot marlin]

Well if we really want to be fair... Knighthood is a social status, a duty and a title.

So that means that it's entirely unrelated to class.

You can have a wizard wearing wizard robe being a knight.

[humble cairn]

That's what I said!

[hot marlin]

Great minds do think alike

[obtuse stratus]

Yeah, and that's why I said any of them could be. It's also why I find it funny to say "Or they just pay mercenaries and go be posh at court"

[crimson gulch]

And the players death count went up again last night, my marilith mini now had 3 check marks on the bottom

[humble cairn]

You have a kill count on the minis themselves, that's .. amazing and terrible!

[obtuse stratus]

Where would you keep the kill count? In your head?

[crimson gulch]

I keep written records too but that's a fun thing to do

[humble cairn]

Not owning any minis, I would probably keep a spreadsheet.

Oh wait, I have one mini. My favorite PC made in Hero forge.

[obtuse stratus]

When they get 5 do you give them a little bomb design or pinup gal?

[analog cloud]

guys question, is there an avrae command on "potent cantrip" or does it automatically add in avrae

[obtuse stratus]

Avrae can do what? Also I thought we had a channel for that

#ddb-avrae-help

[crimson gulch]

The marlith is allready basicly that lol

[river vector]

Soon I will pull one of the most classic JRPG tropes on my party

[obtuse stratus]

Lil thumbs up and a field cap for 10 kills?

[crimson gulch]

My mimic nearly got a check mark on Wednesday too

[obtuse stratus]

Have you pulled out a bridge or house mimic yet?

[analog cloud]

ooh nice, ty

[crimson gulch]

Yes I have done house mimics, boat mimics, bathtub mimics and so many more

[obtuse stratus]

Okay but what have you done with cloakers?

[crimson gulch]

One got knocked into lava, with a player wrapped in them, double kill

[obtuse stratus]

Have you pulled a false hydra on your players?

[crimson gulch]

No, that's bad homebrew

That requires metagaming and I run with rules against metagaming

[obtuse stratus]

Have you had any interesting doppelganger plot lines?

[hidden spindle]

If I ever encountered Mimics like those, I would have Fire Bolt everything just to be sure. Or a cantrip that targets only creatures.

[crimson gulch]

Yes

[obtuse stratus]

10ft stick. Worked for thousands of kids in the 80s, will work for you too

[crimson gulch]

I had a real treasure chest in a room once, they shot it with an arrow, thunk in wood.

Suprise the carpet was the mimic

[obtuse stratus]

I think it would have been funnier if the carpet was just over a pitfall trap. Never see it coming looking for mimics

There is a level of just keeping them on edge, though I like it, sounds like fun in OSR

[crimson gulch]

Nah that's fun in dnd

[obtuse stratus]

I agree. I'd hate it in 5e, though. Takes way too much effort to make a character

[crimson gulch]

No it dosent, do it by hand in 5 minute regularly

I had a player forget theirs for a level 10 one shot a few weeks ago, I did it up for them no problem

[obtuse stratus]

I definitely cant do that in 5e. It took me 4 days for as many characters

Just collecting the information for items alone was a headache. 5 minutes is definitely workable in B/X

[crimson gulch]

The equipment section in the phb has it all right there

[obtuse stratus]

Nah it's in Class and Background

[crimson gulch]

Yeha the basic kits are there

[obtuse stratus]

Then I got to sit there and collapse down whatever nonsense abilities the classes get into something usable on a sheet. It's actually just miserable every time

[crimson gulch]

I'll just print out the srd page and pass it over to explain the abilities

You don't have to right all the details of everything on your sheet

[obtuse stratus]

Definitely not the month long character builds of 3.x

[crimson gulch]

Stats proficiency, backround species hp Main attacks and equipment and your rolling

[quasi dome]

Yeah there’s only like three weapons anyone ever uses, and probably the archetype of your class will determine which one

[obtuse stratus]

But I have never gotten fast at building 5e characters. Actually ghosted a former friend after 8 1 encounter tpk sessions

[stiff flare]

heyy can some one help me on how to join a party and stuff i am new to dnd (do not have any friends to play though created 5 characters till today)

[crimson gulch]

If you are writing out all the rules for all your abilities and spells, yeah that takes along time, I tell my players not to do that

[obtuse stratus]

The amount of minutia in every single rule of 5e is what kills it.

[crimson gulch]

Your charicter sheet is for tracking your stats and resources not your own rule glossary

[obtuse stratus]

Nah, I need it at the table, could never remember that chill touch gives a debuff to saves if it isn't there, and absolutely would never recall needing a material component without having it there

[crimson gulch]

Oh, I have all that memorized

And like there's a few players handbooks floating around the table when I run games but asking me is faster

[obtuse stratus]

If I really need it for like pf1e I'll even code every spell into a spreadsheet and then make the spreadsheet also level my character for me, but that isn't 5e. 5e it's just minutia everywhere. Like tiny little riders and specific words in abilities that determine what abilities cam and cant do

[crimson gulch]

Pathfinder has way more minutia than 5e

[obtuse stratus]

Oh YEAH

But thats why 3.x is a month long build and 5e is a day

[lavish flame]

what I usually tell ppl to do instead is to mark down page numbers or section headers for their abilities. Maybe a PC forgets what the Actor Feat dpes, but their sheet says "Actor - p. 78" and they know where to look.

[crimson gulch]

Page number references are great

Everything I hear about pathfinder makes me very confident in my decision to lock into 5e

[vale sage]

buenas?

[serene jolt]

Same. I respect people who like Pathfinder more. I totally get it. But I tried it and it absolutely wasn't my cup of tea.

[cobalt owl]

Courses for horses

[obtuse stratus]

You are correct it was a breath of fresh air compared to the books I got as characters in pf1e. But I'd still take the quarter sheet of a B/X character over the packet of a 5e character

[vale sage]

Because everyone on all D&D servers always speaks English

[crimson gulch]

This server is English only

[serene jolt]

While I will hear about Pathfinder rules and such, sometimes I'll be like "But... Why??" I can bet pathfinder people do the same thing for DnD rules sometimes. XD

[obtuse stratus]

It's in the rules of the server that it's English

[cobalt owl]

I do like Pathfinders upcasting

[serene jolt]

Like how you have to move, then use an action, and you cannot move again until your next turn. That's crazy. XD

[river vector]

If my party ever gets TPK they will wind up in the afterlife, and since they are soulless (long story) only their consciousness makes it there, so they can't be reincarnated. They can bargain with the god of death to be returned to their bodies, but they will have to do a quest for her (hunt down escaped souls) and sacrifice some of their ability scores (cost of returning to life)

[woven flint]

I like Pathfinder and D&D
I've also enjoyed Monster of the Week and Call of Cthulu
I'd like to try Mutants and Masterminds but that system gives me a headache lol

[river vector]

I think this is a better updated version of the concept

[serene jolt]

That sounds cool. Except the ability scores thing. RIP.

[obtuse stratus]

Still think you should consider The Shrike

[cobalt owl]

My party hasn't reached a point where it makes sense for them to return after a TPK

I do plan to level them up to 6 soon tho

[crimson gulch]

I have had loads of folks tell me they coulden run pathfinder without foundry vtt, and I'm like oh so can you really run it then?

And folks don't like that question.

[serene jolt]

I've only been apart of 2 TPKs.
One was completely our fault.
The other was terrible balancing with a DM who had the mentality of us vs them.

[woven flint]

My Mutants and Masterminds character idea was basically Superman as a Bug person that worked as a Barista at a coffee shop lol

[cobalt owl]

There is a fair bit of pride lost when you ask em that it seems

I do think it is a valid question

[river vector]

Well... Technically not RIP in this case haha. There has to be some cost.

[cobalt owl]

How much is the vtt taking the load for you and how much do you know really to run the thing

[crimson gulch]

I'm pulling away from. Even using owlbear rodeo for my games and am going to point a camera at a table with miniatures and maps

[river vector]

Question is how much ability scores should be lost and which ones?

[cobalt owl]

Now thats a step too far imo but I do think you should use whatever you think is most effective

[cobalt owl]

Con

[obtuse stratus]

1e or 2e?

[cobalt owl]

-2 I think is enough especially if you have players that don't have high con in general

I'd feel very vulnerable with only 12 con

[river vector]

Hopefully I never have to use this afterlife plot

[crimson gulch]

Thats their problem, not mine

[river vector]

Don't really WANT to TPK the party

[cobalt owl]

Welp, just don't use blocks you know will smack em down somethin fierce and you'll be fine

[humble cairn]

I don't like to homebrew 5E. It's not that I think it's a perfect system, but what happens is once I start thinking of how I would like to change the system I don't stop until I tear down everything I don't like, including having classes at all. At which point it would be easier to go play another game. So I just settle for how 5E runs, which is fine.

[river vector]

Wrong reply?

[cobalt owl]

I threw a headless iron golem at a party and they almost died, but I knew they'd pull through

I just didn't expect to get 10 natural 20s (they got an equal amt of 1s) across the 8 rounds

[humble cairn]

Oh, were you not talking about homebrewing the system by taking away different stats from it?

[obtuse stratus]

lol. I will say I quit 1e when I decided to try a spell that summoned a little dragon companion for me. I was 4 pages deep into transmutation rules and then Reddit couldn't figure out what the creature's stat block would be and I said screw it, I'm going to D&D 2e

[cobalt owl]

1E is weird

[river vector]

If the party dies and returns from death. Which I think is fair

I'm not removing the stat

It would be lowered by two (con)

[jolly agate]

Hello