dnd-discussion

[coarse vector]

Okay thanks thought I was overreacting when I was confused, he’s a first time dm and I’m a first time player but wanted to be sure

[cerulean beacon]

Via has some esoteric Jeremy Crawford ruling on Twitter

[hot gate]

If it's cacelled by advantage, there is no disadvantage.

[coarse vector]

My ally was invis that I was flanking with

[humble cairn]

Yeah your DM is incorrect, have a chat with them out of session.

[cerulean beacon]

While I understand your DM’s rationale as written, it doesn’t do that also as in intended, it really shouldn’t do that

[still plover]

Advantage wouldn't have been needed. Sneak attack can trigger with a friend upright and able next to the target.

[hot gate]

Right, I had initially assumed the enemy to be invisible, so the adv/disadv cancellation would've been required to not have disadvantage.

[still plover]

Ah, gotcha.

[coarse vector]

His reasoning was the beast couldn’t see the creature so didn’t know it was a threat, but forgive me if I wrong but invis doesn’t mean you have no sense of where they are, you can still take a reaction at disadvantage vs a invis target right

[marble lion]

I think its a very reasonable thought though

[silk hare]

indeed

[coarse vector]

Mb for poor explanation

[cerulean beacon]

I mean, just because you can’t see something doesn’t necessarily mean you don’t know what’s there for example sound this said that kind of rationale can be used to basically invalidate invisibility so get out talk with your dm

[humble cairn]

You can only opportunity attack against targets you can see. But you are correct that invisible doesn't mean hidden.

[silk hare]

not really, just bc you cannot see sth in this scenario does not mean that it doesnt affect the target creature in any way

[still plover]

Unless they've taken the hide action, an invisible creature is still known to the field.

[marble lion]

As long as the DM does these rulings in measure for both sides, i dont see a problem

If its only against the rogue it would be bad

[silk hare]

I mean it does take a lot away from playing a martial, especially one like a rogue that counted on this gimmick to be a reliable damage dealer

[cerulean beacon]

Also, talking is a free action so you could literally just start talking to the person you’re flanking in order to show that you are there and provide flanking

[sudden herald]

Hey guys, does anyone have Legendary Planet Adventure Path (5E)? Please dm me.

[silk hare]

and as they mentioned, for this to work at all their ally ONLY participates if they are invis

[coarse vector]

Yeah I guess I’m just a little bummed cus I’m the only martial class out of the 5 pc”s

[silk hare]

what are the other classes?

[marble lion]

I think i concede to smiths reasoning

[humble cairn]

If a DM did this to me I would object. That is not how the rule works and having a dependable set of rules is important to understand how to build and run a character.

[coarse vector]

2sorcs a sorc/druid, and a warlock me as rogue

[marble lion]

I do think though that as long as the DM is consistent with these rulings, its not a problem

[humble cairn]

Consistent and having talked about it ahead of time would be important for me, otherwise I would have a problem with it.

[coarse vector]

The only issue is it severely weakens my kit

[marble lion]

Just not everyones style of dnd

[cerulean beacon]

Tell your DM that the Internet believes that he is nursing marshals as someone who loves spellcasters. Martials do not need nerfs

[coarse vector]

Well I mean I feel like if I don’t get sneak attack I don’t. Do dmg lol

[silk hare]

in theory, but if u take this a step further it can lead to nerfing specific players

e.g. a player built a more story driven character, while another one built e.g. a warlock thats combat focused and hence deals a lot more on average during combat

now the dm e.g. says, hey so u actually only get half the invocations + EB can only hit 1 target ever, he ofc applies this to enemies too, but who is to say theres a lot (if any) enemies using those mechanics?

[cerulean beacon]

That is correct sneak attack is rogue’s bread and butter

[marble lion]

Thats true. It seems weird that invisible ally is the only time you get sneak attacks though

[humble cairn]

Your DM is not running Sneak Attack correctly in this instance, find out if this is how they intend to run it from now on or if it was just a spur of the moment ruling. And ask that they don't run it that way going forward.

[silk hare]

main point being, doing that AFTER the characters have been created around said gimmicks just invalidates your entire character choice and building of said character

[coarse vector]

Not the only time but it would be the only time for a flank , unless shit gets bad

[marble lion]

Id just ask the dm to change it for this specific reason

[silk hare]

what kind of druid is your ally?

[marble lion]

Not because its not raw
(Unless they state it is RAW, then wrong)

[coarse vector]

Yeah I’ll need to talk to him about it cus atm it sucks I just need to play back and hide then attack to get sneak.

[cerulean beacon]

Limiting sneak attack is basically punishing someone for playing a rogue, and by making it so being adjacent to an enemy while invisible invisibility does not work for sneak attack punishes teamwork

[marble lion]

"Flanking is rogues easiest way to get its class feature in combat, please let me get sneaks"

[silk hare]

you could change your build to ranged too btw

sneak attack still procs if u use e.g. light crossbows

[silk hare]

thats not the case tho, its purely about advantage procc of flanking

[coarse vector]

Idk but I don’t think it’s moon.

[silk hare]

mhh too bad then

[marble lion]

I am still baffled that an invisible ally is your main sneak attack every combqt

[cerulean beacon]

No, this isn’t about the fling advantage. This is about the way. Sneak attack is worded. I don’t think you need advantage for sneak attack if they are next to the target.

[humble cairn]

Uhh, Rogues can get Sneak Attack without Adv if an ally is next to their target, so yes it's still important even without the flanking optional rule.

[cerulean beacon]

Because I think advantage fling is an optional rule

[marble lion]

How often does your ally go invisible?

[coarse vector]

I read it this way too

[silk hare]

true true, but its not about invis not working for sneak attack is what I meant + apperantly melee is just not as prevalent bc the entire party is half/fullcasters

[coarse vector]

He only goes melee when he is invis then he backs up

[marble lion]

How much invisibility does this player have

[silk hare]

is it the warlock?

[marble lion]

I feel like this would happen once per combat

[coarse vector]

I’m not sure but it’s not a spell something else I think it’s a warlock thing unsure first time playin

[humble cairn]

Archfey teleport skirmishing?

[coarse vector]

He normally sits back Eldridge blasting then runs in and hits with advantage then runs out because of invis

[cerulean beacon]

I mean, if it’s normal invisibility it pops as soon as he attacks

[coarse vector]

Could be

[marble lion]

I havent heard of this

[coarse vector]

He only has done it twice over two fights

[cerulean beacon]

If it’s greater invisibility, he found the true answer to the AC versus HP problem which is don’t get target

[coarse vector]

I think it’s a warlock invocation

[marble lion]

Thats an action right?

[cerulean beacon]

Do you have any idea how many spells specifically rely on sight

[coarse vector]

Unsure

[humble cairn]

-# It's funny to me, there's probably someplace called Eldridge that is now being associated with the word Eldritch.

[silk hare]

lots

[cerulean beacon]

Most you might say

[marble lion]

Im interested in knowing how this works

[silk hare]

in california apperantly

[coarse vector]

I can inquire tho they are asleep atm

[marble lion]

To say without this you dont get sneak attack implies such a core involvement in your gameplay

This smells weird to me

[coarse vector]

Well basically it stops me from going in with my cool daggers I have and just sit back hit with a mundane hand crossbow

[marble lion]

Once

[hot gate]

This wouldn't be the first time a DM feels the need to try and argue away sneak attack, despite it being intended to basically go off every turn by the game design itself.

[coarse vector]

I don’t understand what you mean

[silk hare]

tbh I think it has to do with people not knowing about classes strengths right off the bat

[flint ledge]

I think a lot of DMs don't get that at the start

[hot gate]

yeah for sure

[still plover]

It's what rogues get instead of extra attack.

[marble lion]

If your main way of getting sneakattack happens once per battle, thats a really rough deal

[coarse vector]

Thing is we are starting at lvl 10 so all the weakness of mages are gone imo

[flint ledge]

Like the moment you go into higher levels doing that you'll see that rogues will do absolutely nothing

[humble cairn]

Are you using 2014 or 2024 rules?

[silk hare]

I see thats even crazier then

[silk hare]

trust me on this, stay ranged and use hide BA to proc sneak attack

[flint ledge]

Oh he's already able to do pretty much nothing

[coarse vector]

I believe 24 mostly just any 5e that is updated

[hot gate]

oho, so steady aim away then

[silk hare]

rogue is already one of the "squishier" martials, being the only martial (and therefore melee target) is a bad move

you'll get infinitely more damage if you just stay ranged, pick up feats for that and play that way

[coarse vector]

Yeah that is what I’m doing but I give up. Getting to use cool daggers and fulfill tha fantasy

[humble cairn]

Ok so it's a better time to be a melee Rogue now than it was before. Have you considered using a Vex weapon and then a Nick Weapon? If you go in with a shortsword and dagger, for instance, you can attack with your shortsword and give yourself Adv for the dagger Nick attack.

[silk hare]

tbh that mostly works IF you have other martials in your party too

[coarse vector]

He doesn’t like that rule so I don’t think we are using it

[humble cairn]

And when you Sneak Attack, you can burn some of your SA dice to allow yourself to withdraw form melee safely.

[still plover]

Concerning.

[marble lion]

This guy needs to rethink his rogue player

[undone rain]

Only time you want to "frontline" quote on quote as rogue is when your a swashbuckler. Bonus action disengage

[humble cairn]

That's ... that's a base ability of Rogue in 2024.

[silk hare]

even then...

[marble lion]

Steady aim was optional in 14 so that might be the origin of this dislike

[coarse vector]

I may be wrong about that but we hand a minor convo about it

[marble lion]

But you just have nothing

[undone rain]

Even then yes. I wouldnt exactly recommend going a big hitter lol

[flint ledge]

Why is he just... Making rogues unplayable

[marble lion]

Does he let you sneak and infiltrate and sneak up on people?

[silk hare]

it does indeed seem like your character is a bit targeted

unless he also heavily restricts the spellcasters

[coarse vector]

I guess i should say i am arcane trickster but i still want to dagger them you know

[humble cairn]

So your DM is taking away your ability to do damage. This is disheartening and something I would bring up with them. It's not like Rogues have OP damage. They need all their tech to just keep up.

[still plover]

This is a guy who thinks, wizards cast spells, lighting bolts and fireballs, give them all the dice and let them roll.

Guy with a knife? Nah, realistically they wouldn't do massive damage. It doesn't make sense.

[silk hare]

especially at lvl 10

[undone rain]

Yeah thats like nerfing smth that dosent even need nerfing

[humble cairn]

But again if you want to melee, have you considered dual wielding a Vex and Nick weapon?

[hot gate]

It's.... a basic class feature, what

[marble lion]

Unless the DM makes sure you have sneaking opportunities through environment and pacing, he completely gutted rogue as a class

[hot gate]

At that point I'd be asking for a different character

[coarse vector]

Bruh my sorc doing 35 dmg in a round smh I cried that was right after being g denied my sneak attack

[knotty pasture]

Rogue getting trashed is quite the take

[still plover]

Y'all need a good low-temperature chat between sessions to work things out.

[undone rain]

Poor rogue

[marble lion]

Thats not a take

[coarse vector]

Well I’ve been just like climbing a tree and hiding then attacking but can’t get close

[cerulean beacon]

Where did you meet this DM?

Is it online or in person?

[undone rain]

Yeah rogues just gotten nerfed to a bad martial.

[coarse vector]

True , he kinda hard to talk to about criticisms but I’ll need to

[coarse vector]

Online we play only online

[humble cairn]

Are you using Weapon Masteries?

[hot gate]

Not the best character trait to have as a DM I find.

[undone rain]

Thats like making your paladins not have a smite

[coarse vector]

Idk what that is so no

[silk hare]

tbh if he doesnt budge, just tell him u want to play another character (if he declines kill your character and build a new one)

[humble cairn]

So you're not using 2024 rules, because Rogues get Weapon Masteries in 2024, where different weapon types have different special effects.

[cerulean beacon]

Oh boy, yeah always keep in mind. No, DND might be better than bad dnd especially when the dm does stuff like that because if he’s like that for rogue, he might be like that for something else

[coarse vector]

Kind on the mindset right now , sucks cus I wrote an amazing backstory for him

[knotty pasture]

You can use this backstory elsewhere

[silk hare]

keep the backstory, just tweak it a bit

[undone rain]

Like making barbarians not be able to rage

[cerulean beacon]

You might say this is extreme and it is but I’ve seen a lot of people just have their fun ruined by really bizarre DM’s

[coarse vector]

I’m still in the honeymoon stage of dnd when I just wanna play non stop so I feel differently right now

[coarse vector]

Kinda felt that last session tho must admit

[silk hare]

fair enough, but its well known that youll regret it more to stay than to leave if things like that pile up and are non negotiable

[coarse vector]

Was kinda bummed and I. Don’t think I was subtle

[humble cairn]

Don't rely on "not being subtle" have an actual explicit conversation.

[coarse vector]

Yeah I just need a good convo with dm just wanted to make sure I wasn’t in the wrong before doing so

[coarse vector]

No I was saying I was annoyed and I think everyone noticed and I don’t like being the party pooper

[humble cairn]

Which is fine, but it still remains to explicitly have a conversation to say "I feel X about this, can we please change it?"

[flint ledge]

Ehhh I don't use weapon Masteries at my table, though we replaced it with something else

[coarse vector]

What is this?

[cerulean beacon]

My dm tried being a player with some other groups online he joined in late at lvl 4 but exp was being used and he wasn’t given any special equipment so the former lowest level party member leveled up that session while ha had to wait… also all the enemies were immune to non magical attacks he was a swords bard told him to leave for weeks long story short he felt he wasted his time

[humble cairn]

Which is not playing the 2024 rules as RAW. My point remains.

[coarse vector]

Yeah I need to do that before tmr

[silk hare]

okay wow thats just stupid (not joining, but giving ALL enemies non magic imm)

[cerulean beacon]

Basically became only able to stand next to things and dodge

Ikr

[coarse vector]

Sheesh now I feel bad for complaining lol

[cerulean beacon]

I’m not even sure if it was all enemies. It’s just like he has the worst luck at finding DMS and players online.

[undone rain]

That is just....wow

[knotty pasture]

Should have just insulted someone to death smh my head

[coarse vector]

How do you play with peeps online? Is there a website or something

[cerulean beacon]

We were using fantasy grounds

Well, we are

[humble cairn]

I did it with the last Bard I played, it was awesome!

[coarse vector]

I didn’t know there was something like that I just built my own app and streamed on discord lol

[silk hare]

theres vttrpgs like e.g. roll 20, you can also use d&d beyond iirc, theres some others whos name I forgot

[still plover]

Various options exist. Sites like Roll20, Owlbear Rodeo and others provide Virtual Tabletop services. It can be fun.

[silk hare]

and then theres this and other discords organizing groups

[coarse vector]

Okay thank you

[still plover]

Or you just get on a call and have some way to share the dice rolls.

[coarse vector]

I think I want to have a second game going since I have some free time atm

[flint ledge]

Basically weapon techniques of sorts, if you've played Baldur's Gate it's similar to that. I took it from a video

[coarse vector]

Since I’m complaining how do you get people to show up on time to these things. , we are often starting like 10-45 min late and despite request to tell peeps if your gonna be late there isn’t any

[cerulean beacon]

Look, I realize the hand of Vecna is just pointing, but because the eye pulls the image a little bit to the right, and it’s so small registers in my mind as Vecna giving me the finger

[undone rain]

Jeez

[coarse vector]

I thought only fighters and that one feat had that

[silk hare]

move on tbh, people are just socially inept and I dont get how they survive while not adhering to ANY deadlines

[flint ledge]

You mean battle masters

[undone rain]

I get being 5-10 minutes late not 45😭

[flint ledge]

It's similar but not exactly

[coarse vector]

I feel that but I’m also friends outside of dnd with these peeps

[silk hare]

eh I still like the emoji as a "special point" /affirmation/ agreement

[coarse vector]

2 sessions ago it was an hour and we where all waiting with out any communication

[still plover]

Start, or play Deep Rock Galactic.

[feral fulcrum]

By telling them to show up on time or to not bother to show up again if it's a consistent issue.

[coarse vector]

lol

[feral fulcrum]

If they can't respect your time, they can walk

[cerulean beacon]

There is a DND social contract if people are gonna be inconsiderate, they should be removed from the game

[silk hare]

yeah have the same situation more or less, but bc of this I now switched to trying to dm an actual campaign so I make the rules and can choose (due to non-agency of my last dm, legit didnt even show up to session 0(which was planned for weeks bc he forgot he had to do sth that day and otld us 10 minutes before it started))

[undone rain]

Gods almighty. Whats the point of even playing at that point in their case.

[cerulean beacon]

Normally, I would say try to see if you can change the date and time, but like if they’re not calling you ahead of time

[coarse vector]

Ngl its kinda ridiculous, and I’ve started just showing up on time and then expecting to start later and just get food or play other games till they arrive

[silk hare]

have u told them that you find that unaccaptable?

[undone rain]

Longest ive waited is like 15 minutes. An hour is just ridicolous

[still plover]

"It's just a game bro, chill out." /s

[coarse vector]

Not directly like that, but I have said that waiting is annoying or if you’re gonna be late please at least tell me.

[undone rain]

Lmao id imagine thats how they'd react

[silk hare]

I cant tell you how much I hate that mentality in ANY setting (especially e.g. competetive games, Im genuinely baffled by that crowd)

[coarse vector]

lol same

[silk hare]

too passive, tell them that doesnt fly

nuclear option (not saying I suggest this)

is just be even later on purpose

[humble cairn]

A game that I've spent time preparing for you all. If you're not going to respect my time, why should I respect yours?

[silk hare]

make a plan for when you WOULD have dnd, show up 3 hours late and be pissy they didnt wait for you lol

[coarse vector]

I few months ago it happened where they where an hour and 15 late before texting and saying they couldn’t make it at all.

[silk hare]

exactly this

[humble cairn]

Completely disrespectful and unacceptable.

[undone rain]

Oh my god man

[flint ledge]

Absolutely unacceptable wth

[undone rain]

Only time ive been late where they had to cancel is when i accidentally slept past my alarm and i apologized of course

[coarse vector]

When I was dming it was also an issue and I was more adamant but I don’t want to be the clock police should be common courtesy to be on time or at least say you’re gonna be late

[humble cairn]

You don't have to be clock police to set boundaries when people disrespect you.

[coarse vector]

Absolutely agree

[humble cairn]

I have complained to my DM before about another player who would make the whole party wait over an hour to start game. I refused to be in another game with that player.

[coarse vector]

Yeah guess I’m too timid, it’s the well I would be on my pc anyways so ig I can wait but now it’s just to regular , it’s expected to start a min of 10 min late

[undone rain]

If they aint gonna respect you, then you dont have to respect them

[silk hare]

respect is a social contract, both sides have to adhere to it

[tame estuary]

I wouldn't say it like that

[coarse vector]

Maybe I should do this so I don’t. Need to directly confront

[tame estuary]

if someone respect you, you should respect yourself and not be treated that way

[silk hare]

if you dont u just get stepped on tbh 🤷

[coarse vector]

I’m lost

[tame estuary]

yeah because I forgot to tag reply

[humble cairn]

The DM is the one who is responsible for being a referee, but this is clearly a table foul, so the referee should step in.

[feral fulcrum]

If someone doesn't respect you, then don't let them treat you like trash.

[tame estuary]

if someone doesn't treat you as a person, then you aren't immediaely allowed to do the same back, that's just silly

[coarse vector]

Agreed tho dm is also non confrontational so I hope it works

[knotty pasture]

Gotta hate spineless DMs

[feral fulcrum]

If they can't be bothered to do even basic courtesty checks of "Hey I can't make it today." Well before game start, or worse demands you wait up to an hour or more for them with no idea if theyr'e showing or not, tell them to take a hike.

[tame estuary]

though I suppose the meaning of the word respect differs from person to person

[silk hare]

sure you are, you dont HAVE to, that makes u the better person, but if they dont respect you, you dont owe them respect either

respect is earned, not just given

[coarse vector]

Eh understandable tho new dm overwhelmed just another thing to think about

[tame estuary]

no?

[feral fulcrum]

Your Time, and the other's players time, are not to be wasted willy nilly because they can't be bothered to show up.

[humble cairn]

You can also set a boundary with the DM. "If my time continues to be disrespected by this player, I will leave this game."

[dapper axle]

Good morning

[tame estuary]

wait what

[knotty pasture]

Yeah really should have made clear that you can't please everyone by just nodding along to everything

Takes one bad apple to ruin the whole thing

[coarse vector]

Yeah I. Get me wrong I understand but when it’s working well it’s fun and great lol Ik I’m naïve

[silk hare]

tbh first thing I told my new group is "if you have any criticism, thoughts/ideas or feel sth should be changed, lmk and we can look at it together"

[feral fulcrum]

There's nothing worse then one bad player spoiling an entire game.

[tame estuary]

does respect start at 0? are you supposed to be rude to other people by default?

[silk hare]

you are not SUPPOSED TO

• its a social CONTRACT, it is assumed to be valid until proven not to be

so the default is BE RESPECTFUL, if they disregard that, you are not bound by it anymore

[tame estuary]

huh

[coarse vector]

That woulda have made it easier

[feral fulcrum]

If someone's respect for you and other's starts at 0, your respect for them should also start at 0.

[tame estuary]

oh

[silk hare]

what was not undestandable about that?

(just want to explain it better is all)

[tame estuary]

I'm just socially inept

[coarse vector]

The issue is it’s 2 of them they are a couple and both late and if one is late they both are cus they won’t start without the other

[silk hare]

gotcha xD

[dapper axle]

What does it mean to start respect at 0?

[feral fulcrum]

Then they can both Exit, Stage Left, if the problem player can't be bothered to follow basic courtesty?

[coarse vector]

If respect has a score analogy

[silk hare]

neutral, baseline respect is given, anything more is your choice

if they dont respect you, you can (/sometimes should) lower that too

[humble cairn]

You don't owe them your time. If they disrespect the table they should be consequences. But since you're not the DM, it's not immediately your job to handle it.

[tame estuary]

I used to think respect means adoration, it's toleration yeah?

[humble cairn]

Somewhere in between those.

[silk hare]

to some people it CAN be adoration, but same as adoration, its a process that usually takes time and "has to be earned"

[dapper axle]

I think that is important to be respectfull always, unless the other one doesn't respect you of course.

[silk hare]

exactly my point, the 0 here is e.g. not immedietly bowing before anyone or sth, but being polite

that is the "0-baseline respect" in my eyes

[coarse vector]

Yeah I just don’t want bitterness in old friends, like I’m going to the couples wedding in 6 months i want things to change with out harming relationships

[tame estuary]

if they don't want to play with you then you're also allowed to not want to play with them

[dapper axle]

In that case I agree completely.

[tame estuary]

hey, sometimes we're looking to run games, not to hang out with friends, be clear with what you want out of the group

[feral fulcrum]

The absolute, most bare miminum of effort is required to show up on time, and to communicate clearly if you can't, prefferably substantially before it's time to start. If someone cannot, and more importantly Will not bother with that. Then they do not deserve space at the table. Period.

[coarse vector]

Not exactly the issue

[silk hare]

yeah I undestand your reservedness tho, bc "respect" and how u view it is vastly different across cultures, and like 4 sentences were not enough to make the stance entirely clear (without you sharing a similar viewpoint already xD)

[tame estuary]

if one won't want to show up without the other that's just annoying

[humble cairn]

"Hey friends, I really like you and as a gesture of our friendship I will be honest with you. I feel disrespected when you don't respect my time. I don't like it, it makes me feel like you don't think I deserve the respect of a friend. I really want to continue being good friends with you, so I took the uncomfortable task of confronting you with this because I really want to be good friends with you."

[silk hare]

its fine if they have common courtesy and actually show up on time

[coarse vector]

Yeah will prob need to do something like that , will go thru dm first see if he does anything the. I’ll go direct, gotta sleep on it

[dapper axle]

I guess so, respect is sometimes beyond than being polite, in my case is just not be rude to the other and be chill basically. Another scale of respect if would be for example give them a valuable gift, but that's more apreciate someone than just being respectfull.

[coarse vector]

That you all for helping my predicament with your opinions, I am going to bed now

[tame estuary]

you got this friend

[dapper axle]

Sleep well mate

[tame estuary]

speaking of not showing up

I have a player who's in my server I'm running my game on and it's been 3 weeks since they're added

I was completely fine with making a session 0 when they first start however that was postponed yet 3 weeks gone by and not a word about making a character

[feral fulcrum]

That reminds me, the wildest reason I've heard for missing a session has been "My Roomate cut a finger off and I had to drive them to the hospital."

[tame estuary]

like yeah, I said it was fine but like... are you just not interested?

[dapper axle]

Oh, was the roomate fine :(?

[tame estuary]

they cut a finger off

[dapper axle]

I mean yeah but, what happened after that?

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah, missing digits isn't really that big a deal these days as long as you're within decent distance of a hospital and not in the middle of nowhere.

Cut wise, anyway.

[dapper axle]

You can even have your fingers back if they heal you on time.

I had a family member that completely lost his arm and when he went to the hospital they sutured his lost arm.

And he has 2 arms yet

[idle oar]

Let's get things back on topic folks - and the topic should be D&D, not the loss of body parts and medical help to get them back

[knotty pasture]

Quick, cast Heal

[feral fulcrum]

Regenerate is more what you need.

[coarse kite]

Ngl…I am struggling to find campaigns that are either within my time…And the ones I did find, at the time I haven’t figured out Discord fully yet and it was already full by the time I figured it out.

[still plover]

Do commoners heal up after a Long Rest?

[knotty pasture]

If they have supplies I hope so

[dapper axle]

Same :(.

[idle oar]

I believe the rules apply to pcs, npcs, and monsters.

[dapper axle]

Find a new campaig is complicated at first ig.

[still plover]

Funky. So no hospitals, just hostels?

[coarse kite]

Most campaigns are most likely from NA…Which means they take place at about 1-2 AM.

[idle oar]

🤔 maybe?

[still plover]

Most isn't all. Get a world clock, use it, play when you can.

[dapper axle]

Now that I think about that is right, I guess that it makes sense, we're in an english speaking server so. Where are you from btw?

[knotty pasture]

In times like these regional dnd discords are more practical

[coarse kite]

Thailand.

[idle oar]

For folks looking for games that better align to their available time, don't forget to check #looking-for-community - these D&D community servers might have different D&D games that can work well for your schedule including Play By Post (e.g. text-based) D&D games.

[coarse kite]

In South East Asia. Yeah the problem is pretty bad-

[flint ledge]

Yeah though right now I doubt a lot of Americans are up though

[dapper axle]

Oh, yup, the timezone it can be a great issue.

I have the central European time zone because I'm Spanish

[knotty pasture]

Playing games from SEA is rough anyways, you either wake up at unholy hours or hope they start a game at noon so you can join at night

[coarse kite]

May I ask what country you are from?

[knotty pasture]

Australia is the safest bet but the community there seems to be really small

[humble cairn]

Heya! I live in Thailand!

[knotty pasture]

I'm from a certain part of earth 🫡

[coarse kite]

Hello! Fellow Thai person!

[dapper axle]

Most of campaign I saw start around 22:00 - 2:00 AM to me when they’re in NA lol.

[humble cairn]

Hello! I moved to Thailand from the US so unfortunately my usual 3pm Sunday game became a 3am Monday game.

[dapper axle]

Oh I love Australia, I heard that floor there is so clean that aussies even walk without wearing shoes on some places.

[coarse kite]

Goodness- stay strong fella.

[dapper axle]

Asians have the timezone even more complicated

I guess that some Europeans will exist on this server too so is question of time to me ig.

I mean, for the British and that.

[silk hare]

tbh I feel like, even though there are a lot of americans for sure, theres plenty of europeans around too

[flint ledge]

That is true!

[coarse kite]

I see I see.
I’m just waiting for either a good time from the Europeans and Americans…Or I get lucky with the random SEA campaign.

[dapper axle]

Yeah, probably, I just joined yesterday btw lol. Probably that's why I didn't find another Europeans yet.

[silk hare]

the "problem" is that there is always a dm shortage really (unless you are willing to pay money for it)

more so for online games (bc I e.g. also prefer to run games in person bc thats like half the fun for me)

[silk hare]

I mean I think a lot of the people u see are european, people are just not saying it out loud lol

[tame estuary]

well I can at least play in weekend mornings lol

[still plover]

Spread your net wide. There's here, LFG on the D&D Beyond forums and Reddit, Roll20, other Discords...

[coarse kite]

Btw…Is there any way to find one shots? I have never played DnD…ever, and I have a very busy schedule and I will most likely just disappear for a certain amount of months for a long term

[coarse kite]

I see I see.

[dapper axle]

Good luck mate 😁.
One day I will become a DM to invite you to my future campaign haha.

[tame estuary]

I wonder how many people are like this but just aren't up front

[dapper axle]

It makes sense

[flint ledge]

Demanding money to DM seems so odd like, I DM my campaigns for fun not money

[idle oar]

Some LFG posts in #looking-for-players are for one-shots but you might find more options in #looking-for-community which is where other D&D servers advertise their server which can have many different D&D games running.

#paid-looking-for-game is where you can pay to have a spot at a game

[cyan narwhal]

Apparently some prefer doing It for money and not for fun

[silk hare]

true, but again, we live in a capitalist society, so people wanting money for a better thought out campaign etc is just how things are (and it makes sense)

[idle oar]

... it can still be fun even if theirs a payment

[feral fulcrum]

You can do it for pay and for fun, they're not mutualy exlcusive.

[silk hare]

often times its also a higher "standard" that is expected bc of that

[cyan narwhal]

I said some, not all, i know there are differences

[silk hare]

its more so a "change of thougth", same as other hobbies require capital investment (e.g. think sports and sports clubs), those games require that too

[dapper axle]

Campaigns can be paid?

[idle oar]

It can take some time and effort on the DMs part to get a campaign set up and to run it using various tools (VTTs, art, music, etc.) and some folks wouldn't mind being compensated for that effort.

[flint ledge]

Obviously

[silk hare]

they can be, especially from strangers

[silk hare]

• some vttrpgs (and other tools) require subscriptions + buying new source material etc

so for some its just a way to offset "costs" to enjoy the hobby to the maximum

also what Ive seen for in person games there IS still some "payment" of sorts usually, even if just in the form of snacks as offerings for the dm xD

[flint ledge]

I guess I get that. Obviously I won't ever cause I play with friends

[silk hare]

same tbh , but it can be a stable source of income, so if someone wants to do it and feels competent enough to provide that level of play, why not

[tame estuary]

I could be spending 20 hours per week on a session prep and still wouldn't ask for payment, I wouldn't make it as a comissions artist

[flint ledge]

I mean yeah hey if you're a professional level DM and can provide that level of fun hell yeah go for it. Personally it's not my cup of tea

[tame estuary]

part of it honestly, is just that I think I should be paying my players to show up, this experience to have a creative outlet

[dapper axle]

Damn, 20h requires a lot of time anyway. Being a DM is more complicated than I expected :(.

[silk hare]

and theres me whos just winging it xD

[tame estuary]

nah it's just because I'm silly and I 3d model most of the maps I make, I'm not good at it, that's why it takes so long

[silk hare]

you can have both extremes and both can work depending on what kind of person you are

[flint ledge]

Personally I can't be happier with my group cause I have an artist in my group and players are willing to chip in if need be

[silk hare]

what materials do u usually use (just a short answer otherwise this would be #dnd-arts-and-crafts )

[dapper axle]

You mean as DM and player?

[silk hare]

kinda both

[tame estuary]

blender?

[silk hare]

well dming now I guess, but all I have figured out for the first session is murderous plants around a campfire

[cyan narwhal]

I have no idea how It will be to dm but I'll find out eventually when i'll DM for the first time, gotta have to use all the stuff i bought from the kickstarter

[silk hare]

ohhh thought u are making them irl

[tame estuary]

it's on tabletop simulator, I don't 3d print

[flint ledge]

The one downside with a VTT I've noticed is you sadly can wing a lot less

[coarse kite]

Speaking of blender…Does anyone know how to extrude at two opposite side at once in opposite directions-

[feral fulcrum]

You can wing things just fine on a VTT

[dapper axle]

Oh that's cool :D. How is like being a DM with annoying players, like you know. Those ones who usually want to break the rules of the game?

[silk hare]

tbh my current plan is to learn how to use roll20 to make rudimentary maps and tokens and just use that for visualization purposes

[dapper axle]

For example creating a literal God as a character since the beginning

[still plover]

"What does the feature/ spell say, exactly?"

[tame estuary]

ideally you should stop having annoying players

[silk hare]

welp so far I only dmd a few oneshots for close friends, so that doesnt count in my books, first session 0 is next week to figure things out and help new players understand the game, Ill see how it goes from there

[still plover]

"Is it in the PHB/ agreed sources list for this game?"

[flint ledge]

Yeah but I personally always enjoy having stuff setup and if they suddenly go I go to X building which can get me panicky cause it's not set up

[dapper axle]

Idk, I meant to for example when someone create an overpowered character.

[flint ledge]

Might just be me though

[silk hare]

tbh Im a min maxer at heart so I have my contingencies

[tame estuary]

you kinda get it the more you play, if by following just the books, the gap isn't that huge

[silk hare]

but sth that usually is enough is the "if you can do it, yk I can do it too right?, and I dont have limitations that you have"

[still plover]

A hearty laugh, and back to the books. If you say PHB only, Standard Array, that's what they should show up with.

[dapper axle]

Can I join? If there's an spot ofc.

[silk hare]

e.g. if someone wants to cast "create water" in someones lungs I can do that tooxD

[silk hare]

sadly in person only and already 5 players

[silk hare]

op is subjective

[feral fulcrum]

You don't really have to build out interiors in a VTT unless they're explicitly combat, and it's a pretty swift process. You can keep things to the theatre of the mind and do fine.

[coarse kite]

Can I join if there’s a spot? Though I’ll have to check my schedule to just in case.

[silk hare]

but if you want I can dm you abuot a character I built personally (which may not be the "strongest" but has a few fun gimmicks"

[cyan narwhal]

The unofficial rule i think it's super fun Is FAFO

[silk hare]

FAFO?

[dapper axle]

It makes sense.

[feral fulcrum]

Screw around, find out.

[coarse kite]

Oh- I didn’t read at first. Nvm.

[silk hare]

ah gotcha

[silk hare]

me when the portal to the tarrasque plane opens up right under them

[tame estuary]

I have a rule in my game that if you screw around I get confused and I make unsatisfactory stoytelling out of it

[feral fulcrum]

That's not really a rule?

[cyan narwhal]

I just found out i could not say the first F word lol

[feral fulcrum]

It is an all ages server, yeah :V

[tame estuary]

you'll easily find out that I allow a lot of things, but if you're expecting a certain outcome, prepared to be disappointed

[dapper axle]

Btw how do you usually get called? I mean when someone say your username is like Vylon or smt?

[coarse kite]

What do you think of bards with bows?

[tame estuary]

it's a yugioh card

[silk hare]

yeh that is/was the intention haha

[coarse kite]

Is this allowed to be asked in this channel-

[feral fulcrum]

If you don't have a Harp-Bow you're doing it WRONG

[tame estuary]

I mean #character-discussion is there

[dapper axle]

Oh ok haha, I didn’t know if I said it well lol.

[tame estuary]

it's such a funny question tho, what do I think of bard with a bow, that's like, yeah that's something very mundane to think about?

[still plover]

It's a fair go.

[tame estuary]

what if giant barbarian with a greatclub flavored as a bow

[feral fulcrum]

Not how that works

[dapper axle]

A lot of bards use bows ig? It sounds as something typical on dnd.

[cyan narwhal]

Just like rogues and bows, it's usually the way to go, unless someone plans to go melee

[tame estuary]

you're allowing harp bow but not this?

[dapper axle]

And of course the meme of the bard flirting with anything that breaths (And even those ones who don't :P)

[tame estuary]

at level 6 it can be a bow

[cyan narwhal]

That's a typical bard behavior lol

[dapper axle]

Yup 😂

[feral fulcrum]

Reflavoring doesn't change mechanics. It's kind of like saying "yeah I reflavored fireball to be a litteral nuke that destroys whole kingdoms." Also Bow of Melodies is a magic item that exists, and is a Bow that's strung like a harp or lyre.

[dapper axle]

Oppenheimer if he were a dnd player.

[feral fulcrum]

Oppenheimer wouldn't be a rule misenterpreting munchkin I'm fairly sure. :V Nor would he be willy nilly with nuclear annihilation. 😛

[coarse kite]

I was straight up, before thinking about bards with bows, going to make Penelope (My bard) just sing and play her lyre so effectively people die- or she just gaslights them to paying her money to pay for her orphanage and fulfill the orphans’ needs.

[dapper axle]

lol

[feral fulcrum]

Most caster's generally prefer ranged, on account of being squishy.

[dapper axle]

That's kinda cute ignoring the people dying and that gaslight part.

[flint ledge]

I do kind of like the idea of melee casters

[cyan narwhal]

Btw ejota, your pfp reminds me of an idea i had for a character, a human (variant) barbarian who was raised by a tribe of orcs and became a luchador

[coarse kite]

Reminds of a scene in Castlevania when Sypha runs up to a Vampire general and fire blasts him at point black range.

[dapper axle]

Lol, well, technically the guy who is on my pfp is a goofy aaah superhero costume. That count as a fighter ig?

Capitán salami in da house 🗣️

[coarse kite]

Btw, what is the difference between variant human and normal human?

[cyan narwhal]

Variant human Is better in my opinion

[dapper axle]

Whats a variant human?

[cyan narwhal]

Normal human has +1 in everything and it's pretty much generic, while variant human has +1 in two stats at choice but can start with a feat

[silk hare]

one gets a free feat, the other doesnt

[flint ledge]

Oh yeah variant humans aren't even a thing anymore right?

Cause in 5.5 all humans get to pick an origin feat

[silk hare]

dont know, I dont really play 2024

[cyan narwhal]

For context, i have no idea of all the changes of 5.5, i only play 2014

[silk hare]

but yeah iirc its more of a 2014 thing

[knotty pasture]

Variant Human has +2/+1 stats iirc

Wait nvm its +1/+1? Felt lied to now damn

[cyan narwhal]

I immediately went to check after you said that lol

[knotty pasture]

I checked too just to not sound like a dumdum lol

[wispy vector]

It can technically be +2/+1 if you choose a half feat

[cyan narwhal]

Yeah depends on the feat

[feral fulcrum]

A Variant option of Human. That's litteraly it.

[hot gate]

They've basically been replaced by the 2024 version of humans, but nothing is stopping a DM from still allowing the original species I suppose.

[wispy vector]

As if anyone would willingly want to so that :P

[dapper axle]

An hybrid?

[cyan narwhal]

Starting with a feat Is better than having higher stats

[feral fulcrum]

Nope, just Human, but different options, that's it.

[dapper axle]

I see, so is just a human with different features

[feral fulcrum]

Yup

[dapper axle]

Sorry for the dumb question, but what happens with human hybrids?

[wispy vector]

The only time I considered using a regular human was for a bard that had 14 in every stat except con, to max out my skill utility with Jack of All trades

[wispy vector]

You mean half elfs and half orcs?

[feral fulcrum]

Those would be Half-Orcs, Half-Elves...and that's kind of it.

[dapper axle]

Do vampires exist on DND?

[feral fulcrum]

Vampires most defintiely exist in D&D yes.

[cyan narwhal]

Yeah they do

[dapper axle]

And werewolves?

[still plover]

They suck.

[dapper axle]

Literally lol

[feral fulcrum]

There's even an entire adventure devoted to a notable one having a perpetual midlife crissi!

[still plover]

Your blood! Ahahaha!

[cyan narwhal]

There are werewolves too

[feral fulcrum]

Werewolves too, lots of Werecreatures

Though not so much in 5E

[dapper axle]

Can someone be half werewolf half vampire?

[feral fulcrum]

Most of the old Werecreatures are in older editions with...often wildly offensive lore

[still plover]

Pro tip: look up how they're represented in this game before making assumptions.

[feral fulcrum]

Such as Werefoxes all being extremely petty, vain women. With offensive one note stereotypes for personalities by default.

Older Editions were rather allergic to Nuance and Individuality. The older the edition is, the more wildly offensive crap you're likely to find because...wow there was alot of casual racism and sexism.

[dapper axle]

Damn, I have a lot to learn :(.

I never heard about werefoxes

[still plover]

Wait till you get to the rokea.

[humble cairn]

Did they have those in any edition of D&D?

[cyan narwhal]

No but there are half vampires, the dhampirs

[feral fulcrum]

I think were-sharks were a thing in at least one edition?

[silk hare]

yup, I remember them too

[feral fulcrum]

I swear somebody mentioned a Dread Lord who was Were-Shark yesterday

[still plover]

I jest.

[silk hare]

might be homebrew tho

[still plover]

Don't worry about it unless you have a pressing need to write one into one of your adventures.

[knotty pasture]

Time to fix my funny Variant Human mod, glad I found out, ty ty

[silk hare]

I mean being "good at dnd" is mostly about tons of reading and remembering information xD

[cyan narwhal]

No worries

[silk hare]

(+ the whole "roleplaying part ofc)

[vernal owl]

cant decide if i wanna play a swarm keeper ranger or a soulknife rogue sighh

[fair summit]

Totally non-biased opinion, go for ranger 😏

[still plover]

What's the campaign pitch like?

[burnt valley]

ranger is fun

[marble lion]

do you know the DM already or is this a new DM?

[vernal owl]

world details havent been shared yet but the campaign is mostly about the characters as adventurers facing several different plot hooks, theres no major plot or goal yet

[vernal owl]

would be my first time playing with them

[marble lion]

if you know their style, it might be worth considering if they run games that make stealth more fun and in depth or if they like to just run combat sim for hostilities like many DMs

with some DMs, playing rogue results in just being a weird fighter. worth knowing

[humble cairn]

Soulknife is a very strong Utility subclass. Swarmkeeper is very good martial Control. If that helps.

[marble lion]

swarmkeeper will be fun even in the most simpleminded of games i imagine

[still plover]

That's not a lot to go on.

[exotic sinew]

If I want to play a Tabaxi rogue what would be a good background to take?? 2024

[humble cairn]

Criminal is stereotypical and fun. Noble would be unexpected and fun.

[vernal owl]

i agree ;-; wish i could share more but thats all i know. session zero is today so i probably shouldve asked the question later, mb

[humble cairn]

What play style are you feeling?

[vernal owl]

it does! thank you

[still plover]

Take the one that gives you the features you want.

[exotic sinew]

It doesn’t matter that tabaxi already get stealth proficiency and rogues have thieves tools proficiency when people take criminal??

And for noble does it make an impact with not being able to up dexterity with that background

[marble lion]

i recommend asking the DM about his style of combat and if hostile environments will let you spread your stealth wings (if you want that)
not every DM runs the game in a way that allows much specops
swarmkeeper is completely safe id say for any style

[vernal owl]

i sort of wanted to go the party scout route, not engaging in direct combat a lot. i was gonna pick the mobile feat if i picked soulknife for a hit n run playstyle. but for now im leaning more towards ranger

[marble lion]

yeah if you want that, definitely do what i just said

or you might fall flat on your nose never getting the opportunity to do recon

[humble cairn]

Soulknife has an immense boon for scouting in that they can have telepathic contact with their party a whole 6 levels before any spellcaster could do that.

[marble lion]

talk to the other players too so theyre fine with you doing some solo scouting and arent bored while youre busy

[knotty pasture]

Unfortunately you can't entirely avoid combat, but Soulknife is somewhat nice in cash strapped games

[vernal owl]

oo thats very helpful. i can still be decent at stealth with ranger but its a lot more universal with the extra spellcasting and stuff, thank you for this!

[humble cairn]

Oh I'm not optimizing I was more thinking the flavor, but yeah you should pick a background that gives you your primary stat or ask to do fully custom backgrounds as per the free rules.

[marble lion]

i hope your DM can accomodate your wish ofc. just a warning

[exotic sinew]

The reason I was asking that is the next character I am looking at making for games on my off week is either a tabaxi rogue or a tortle monk or even one of them serpent people as a cleric

Idk I like the werid animal creatures

[vernal owl]

thats a good point.. i definitely dont wanna hog up any session time by spending time all for myself

[marble lion]

i enjoy watching people work solo

[knotty pasture]

In 2014, during character creation:

"If a character would gain the same proficiency from two different sources, he or she can choose a proficiency of the same kind (skill or tool) instead."

You can replace Stealth proficiency with something else (only during character creation) if your background clashes with a racial trait

[marble lion]

but its not for everyone

[exotic sinew]

Or maybe a tortle cleric …..hmmm

[vernal owl]

shit i worded that so weirdly i cant english today

[marble lion]

little hickup, completely fine sentence apart from it

[exotic sinew]

I play 2024 rules so not sure if that changed at all

[knotty pasture]

Oh I think they took that out in 2024

Don't have backgrounds that clash with skills from racial traits

[still plover]

Foolish omission.

[humble cairn]

The biggest pitfall with scout character is going off by yourself and not including the party. If you can speak to all of them telepathically this basically circumvents that.

[exotic sinew]

Yea unless you use a race from a 2014 book or extended source book lol 😂

[exotic sinew]

Also if you get jumped as a solo person you have no back up and sometimes it might be harder for a dm to narrate a different “story” for you to the rest of the party cause you are off on your own

[humble cairn]

Luckily Rogues are great at escaping.

[tame kelp]

Is anyone stuck like I do?

Being Forever-DM

[exotic sinew]

Not if they take your legs 🦵

Like a Lego man

Just pop them off you can get them back later

[humble cairn]

If the DM starts applying trickster spirit cartoon logic it doesn't matter what I do or how I'm built.

[marble lion]

you probably just need to start looking for games more

i bet having DMd is a huge plus in applications as well

[tame kelp]

I'll probably gonna end my campaign when my players reach lvl 10

[marble lion]

gives you a better idea of appreciating DM work and how to play into it while knowing how to run your char fluently

[tame kelp]

I'm tired. I wanna be a player like the good old day

[severe rampart]

I got a session in 5 hours with my favorite character, oh boy I hope they don't die!

[marble lion]

its fun indeed

[severe rampart]

time to roll the pre-session D20, that everyone always rolls for luck, right? it's not just me?

[tame kelp]

I wanna learn 2024 rules

How much is it so different from 2014?

[severe rampart]

Fairly different

[flint ledge]

Nothing could ever go wrong

[tame kelp]

Is Wizard's sleep spell still OP?

@_@

[humble cairn]

Very many somewhat small and subtle differences.

[exotic sinew]

Make sure you keep your good rolls for the greedy wizard

[severe rampart]

Oh boy, I sure hope my Child PC doesn't die on me...

[severe rampart]

The character with the greedy wizard is a different character, and that session is in 2 days, 5 hours

[humble cairn]

It works differently now, doesn't care about hp, just imposesa saving throw.

[exotic sinew]

It’s a lot different

[severe rampart]

Is "Sleep" good?

[exotic sinew]

Each creature of your choice in a 5-foot-radius Sphere centered on a point within range must succeed on a Wisdom saving throw or have the Incapacitated condition until the end of its next turn, at which point it must repeat the save. If the target fails the second save, the target has the Unconscious condition for the duration. The spell ends on a target if it takes damage or someone within 5 feet of it takes an action to shake it out of the spell's effect.
Creatures that don't sleep, such as elves, or that have Immunity to the Exhaustion condition automatically succeed on saves against this spell.

[severe rampart]

I hope so, better not have been a waste of a learned spell

[exotic sinew]

It’s no longer hit point based

[marble lion]

i never roll a die without a direct reason

i see it as calling on Tymora in vain

[severe rampart]

I rolled a natural 1 pre session, in said session my highest roll was a natural 8

[marble lion]

i suppose divination could be said to be a reason though but i dont do that

[exotic sinew]

Oh no 😢

[tame kelp]

I hope I have a chance to be player again

[severe rampart]

I play 2 campaigns where I'm a player, and one where I'm the DM

[exotic sinew]

Have one of your players dm for you

[tame kelp]

No, they are all new players.

They still have much to learn.

to become a dm.

[exotic sinew]

Teach them. Pass on your knowledge

[flint ledge]

3 campaigns total?

[tame kelp]

plus, they must use FVTT

and I am the only who have it

[paper portal]

in 2014 rules its one of the best spells at really low levels

[severe rampart]

used to be 5, yeah

[exotic sinew]

Oh I am so used to in person gams

[severe rampart]

what about 2024

[paper portal]

cant say i know the new rules well enough to say

[exotic sinew]

I don’t mind the change in 2024 even creatures with ridiculous hit points can fail the save and fall Asleep

[severe rampart]

it will be nice to have a few creatures incapacitated from it at low levels, since my spell save DC is alright (14)

[exotic sinew]

The 2024 is here #dnd-discussion message

[exotic sinew]

I ain’t gonna like I don’t know what a good spell save dc is for each level of play

[flint ledge]

How do you have so much time...

[severe rampart]

Weekends

Friday Night, Saturday Morning, Saturday Afternoon, Sunday Morning, Monday Morning

now it's Friday Night, Saturday Afternoon, and Monday Morning

[exotic sinew]

Echo not sure if you have been told this before. But. You is cra cra 🤪

[severe rampart]

you should see Tokii's

he's in like 7 or 9 campaigns as a player if I remember correctly?

(none of them are PbP)

[marble lion]

i am in one (on hiatus)

[exotic sinew]

I am in one. Want to find a second but I have to be careful

[severe rampart]

I think three is the sweet spot for amount of campaigns

[exotic sinew]

7 one per day lol 😂

[severe rampart]

That's for lunatics

[exotic sinew]

I just would like 1 per week

I currently play one but it’s on a fortnight cause my dm works one weekend and then has the next one off

It also gives them time to prepare for the next session

[buoyant oar]

My most consistent games from Start playing. Way way way less incentive for a player or myself to cancel last minute when cash is on the line.

[fast latch]

I’m in 4 campaigns
Tuesdays at 6 PM, Fridays at 4 PM, Saturdays at 7 PM, and Sundays at 11 AM

[south prawn]

My core group I DM for meets in-person, trying for weekly but average more like 3 a month. I’m starting another in person group for bi-weekly sessions, session 0 in one week! And I just had my 2nd session this week as a player for the first time. Not sure if I’ll stick with that group or not, but that’s been interesting

I haven’t played online yet

[exotic sinew]

I think paid games are beneficial for both psychologically committing to showing up but also helping the dm with things they may need ti organise or making a more interactive gaming experience

I think immersive was the word I was looking for not interactive

[knotty spoke]

Can someone be my guide for DnD🥀

[buoyant oar]

It is most certainly been beneficial on the player side.

I am a chronic over prepper for an immersion style game anyway so my style really didn't change when I did start playing.

I have ran West marches with deep plots like CR C4 for 12-70 players. You gotta be organized to even attempt it.

[knotty spoke]

These videos are giving me a headache

[buoyant oar]

Do you own any DND books?

[knotty spoke]

Nope

[severe rampart]

Have you tried the much more simpler "a crap guide to DnD"?

[knotty spoke]

Nope

[buoyant oar]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024

[severe rampart]

try it, much much more simple, just don't take his jokes personally

[knotty spoke]

Okeyh

I'll give it a watch

[buoyant oar]

Reading is good for the mind. Check out the free rules on DnDBeyond. As Tyrion Lannister says,

"A Mind needs books like a Sword needs a Whetstone."

[severe rampart]

wait... Whetstone... and not wetstone... I am so stupid, this is the kind of oversights I get with having english as a second language-

[buoyant oar]

No, you're not stupid. English is stupid. It makes sense to call it a wetstone. Because the stone is wet. It's also called a water stone

[exotic sinew]

I like the “you might be a” guy on YouTube for explaining subclasses to me who is a dumb dumb

[buoyant oar]

But Whet is a very very very old word based on the Proto-Indo-European (4,500 BC) word for Sharp

[severe rampart]

Hilarious, honestly

[river vector]

My whole vampire BBEG pretending to be a holy cleric might fall apart because of a player who wants the party to kill the next NPC they meet lmao. Obviously they wouldn't be able to kill BBEG (they are too low level) but it would ruin the disguise plan and plot.

[tall forge]

So murder hobo?

[silk hare]

I mean, they kill the cleric and he "desintegrates" into mist

[buoyant oar]

Proto-indo-european is an interesting language it is the mother tongue to 99% of European and Asia Minor languages. With the exception of Georgian which is its own thing for some reason.

The best use of Proto-indo-european for non linguists is actually a Far Cry game where the devs worked with historical linguists and made all of the dialogue in the game in a tongue that hasn't been widely spoken in 6,000 years.

[river vector]

Basically he is suspicious of my NPCS lol

[river vector]

True, seems to be a good solution

[silk hare]

introduce a weak npc in a city first, ahve the guards tech them a lesson

murder is not sth u get away with easily usually... especially if you are not out in the woods somehwere, but in a place where u have a regulated society

[tall forge]

Sounds a little metagamey

[river vector]

Seems to be a solution. I will have them meet a good adventurer

[vestal crow]

which is better for 12-20 lvls 2014 gloomstalker or 2024 beastmaster?

[river vector]

Then if the player convinces them to kill him, the party will face issues.

[buoyant oar]

I recently just ran a campaign for 25 people and the main villain was an ally of the PCS for 6 months and they didn't know

[silk hare]

I mean u should never murder out in broad daylight in dnd, ofc theres gonna be consequences if someone sees u do that

[tall forge]

Might also be a good idea to just talk things out if they do kill s random npc like that

[river vector]

I hope they will not listen to said player

[tall forge]

Meant the wanting to kill the next npc you meet is a bit metagamey

[silk hare]

true that, this is more of a "show off" that if u just do stuff like that rashly and all the time (which is also annoying to the dm) it migth bring issues

[silk hare]

ah I see, thought u meant the consequences xD

[tall forge]

Nah dm can do whatever

[silk hare]

yehhh, just wanted to make sure lol

[tall forge]

Im just thinking that seems like it isnt fun behavior and the player shoukd be told “this isnt that type of game”

[silk hare]

exactly, but some need a lil extra incentive aka consequences

bc if you can just get free loot by killing random npcs with no consequences, why shouldnt/wouldnt you?

[buoyant oar]

Yeah, I never solve an out-of-game problem within character solutions.

[blissful ibex]

The next NPC they meet is an old man surrounded by 7 yellow canaries

[silk hare]

ha! good idea

[flint ledge]

I think he might be a very reasonable response to murder hobos

[buoyant oar]

I once had an entire session dedicated to the trial and subsequent execution of a player character who went murder hobo and burned down at Tavern

[swift wren]

Not Canaryman, with the strength of seven birds

[tall forge]

Yeah…. Hes just a man with birds…. Nothing else….

[severe rampart]

And they were cool with it? would be awesome if they accepted the consequences of their actions

[silk hare]

yessss
its totally not the god of dragons with 7 ancient dragons polymorphed into canaries guarding him or st....

[undone rain]

I would love to play a goblin paladin with the goblin being normal size and the armor just be a big suit of armor so they have to use stilts to be able to fit in it

[silk hare]

flavor is free

[undone rain]

Thank the gods for that

[tall forge]

Its actually not

Pay up.

[silk hare]

true, I have my players pay me 10 bucks a pop

[undone rain]

Always see people whining about some races being different classes be "unrealistic" yeah sure buddy in a game where theres dragons and orcs man

[silk hare]

want another hair color? too bad pay up or you are bald

[tall forge]

You better not be describing a spell differently without paying the toll or so HELP ME god….

[undone rain]

EA DND😭

[silk hare]

frfr

[scenic gyro]

$10 for a loot box that might have the description you’re looking for.

[silk hare]

yeah thats a take I also find crazy, like as long as the story MAKES SENSE adn u can justify sth its fine

[undone rain]

You can only play warlock, rogue and fighter the rest is 10 dollars each

[silk hare]

giving them a class with actual features is a bold move

[undone rain]

Yeah exactly, i have a wide range of races why should i not use em

[silk hare]

I think its barbarian (without rage ofc), fighters or artificer (if they want spells they have to deal with everything else)

[tall forge]

10 dollars to randomly roll a class

In the class lootbox

[tender fossil]

That's what they need to do to finally merge magic and D&D together. Collectible core rules. The chapters on magic and combat are rare

[undone rain]

20 bucks if you want a 20 on one stat

[silk hare]

well thats the base bundle only, 30 percent chance to only occupy the stat block of a goblin until it dies, rest is split between barb and fighter

[tall forge]

20 bucks to ROLL a d20 for a stat. You of course can reroll for 5 bucks

[undone rain]

Ah yes but of course

[silk hare]

no, 20 bucks to roll for stats with 4 D4 drop lowest

40 if you want to use standard array

[tender fossil]

60 if you want to use a good standard array

[tall forge]

Btw, 9.99 for every character made after the first

[silk hare]

I like the way you think

[undone rain]

10 dollars per simple weapon

[silk hare]

nooo starting gear is free

to be able to use your stats for ability checks tho... thats 1 dollar every time u want to use the modifier...

same goes for attack rolls ofc, if u want to use your modifier, pay up

[crimson gulch]

I have players in my paid games joke about what dlc they would buy for their charicters.....

[empty thicket]

30 bucks for 1 starter magic item

[tender fossil]

Starting gear being hide armor, a sling and a light hammer

[silk hare]

ofc

[undone rain]

Oh and the weapons are purely cosmetic they all have the same stats

[silk hare]

well duh, only magic items are special (they have a +1 to damage, secondary effects are dlc locked)

[empty thicket]

Why we are acting like some sort of EA or other game companies?

[silk hare]

bc its fun to make fun of them!

[hollow stone]

if DND was DBD lmao

[tender fossil]

This of course is on top of the subscription fee needed to play. Which gets you 20 rounds of combat a month. Please go to the elite tier for unlimited combat rounds

[silk hare]

(for the low price of 99.99, not counting additional fees that may arise)

[empty thicket]

Blowing up everything.

[severe rampart]

what is DBD?

[tender fossil]

Dead by daylight

[tall forge]

… what dlc do you provide?

[empty thicket]

You know what? im going to make the players fight the Entirety of Terraria bosses + Calamity mod.

[severe rampart]

Ohh

[undone rain]

10 dollars every time you wish to short rest too

[silk hare]

have fun homebrewing I guess xD

[undone rain]

40 for long

[hollow stone]

a multiplayer game that "is" 20$ and has over 300$ in DLC that actually influences the mechanics of the game

[tender fossil]

I think we might be on to something cuz Hasbro just sent me a job application

[silk hare]

also the sims4 be like

free, but has like 4000$ of dlc content that change substantial things

[undone rain]

Remember us when your making 6E

[empty thicket]

Boss rush. If they win against EVERYTHING im giving them each one 1 ring with 3 wishes, 1 legendary item and 5 other magic items from any quality lower than legendary

[silk hare]

sure, but u gotta figure out the bosses abilities in a dnd setting, hp pool, ac, attacks, etc etc etc

so thats gonna take forever for the, what now? 40 bosses or sth?

more if u count corrpution/ crimson variants

[empty thicket]

like 50, but doesnt matter, im going to spend 10 years doing it until finding out someone already wrote an entire book in less than 1/4 that time.

[silk hare]

probably

[tender fossil]

You'll need to maybe 5 to 10 bosses and then just stack on 20 templates

[empty thicket]

Nothing is going to go wrong

[silk hare]

I mean terraria bosses are very different mechanistically tho

• a bunch of them wouldn need different lair actions too

[silk hare]

(even counting mecha bosses some differ "drastically")

[tame kelp]

Is it possible for a person who NEVER EVER play DND before to be DM?

[empty thicket]

and only in Vanilla there is a lot of them.
Now add the mod and i will need to make the players fight literally GODS.

[silk hare]

sure, u gotta read a whole lot tho

[tame kelp]

I think it's not possible isn't it?

[silk hare]

it definitely is possible, easier if everyone is "new" tho, and u gotta be open to criticism and compromise

and again, reading and engaging with the rules etc is very important

[empty thicket]

Yeah, it is. Its a whole different responsibility and more other stuff.
But its possible and more if you have a group with some veterans teaching you lil things

[hot marlin]

Yes, absolutely

[silk hare]

maybe listen to a dnd podcast to get an idea of how to do things etc

[hot marlin]

Can that person who never played D&D read?

If the answer is yes, that person can DM.

[tame kelp]

He can as English is 2nd language

[hot marlin]

Then they can DM.

[empty thicket]

and dont throw yourself at first with some homemade campaign.
Modules help to learn a lot
Oneshots can be used for trying stuff, etc. etc.

[silk hare]

does that person have internet connection + an electronical device or dice?

[tame kelp]

Yes

[hot marlin]

Excellent follow-up. Once again, if the answer is yes, that person can DM.

[tame kelp]

I'll let them borrow my FVTT

[exotic sinew]

I would say yes. They may be a little bit more strict on the rules and have to check things and stuff but I personally think yes.

And if you as a seasoned player give them advice help and stuff they will get better.

There is no way to learn how to dm other than dming no matter how long you play will ever prepare you for that role

[hot marlin]

Tell me: Did the first person who ran a D&D game play D&D before? Of course not

[silk hare]

the time traveller that foudned Wotc

[hot marlin]

Did everyone who first started running the game in the eighties, after buying the core rulebooks at their comic book store or toy store ever play D&D in their small midwestern town? No.

[exotic sinew]

No but they did play duck and cow it’s close enough right ……..

[tender fossil]

One of the benefits of DMing for the first time for new players is they don't know the rules either

[hot marlin]

In fact, you'll find that the way someone who never played, and who never had their expectation of what a D&D game should be coloured by others, runs their game may be enlightening.

[crimson gulch]

none really, i only buy the physical books XD

[hot marlin]

This is the way

... I'm a luddite, aren't I?

[crimson gulch]

no, Brand new players and Brand new DMs are both great to have

we all start with zero exp

[hot marlin]

No I meant only buying physical books is the way

[crimson gulch]

yes, that is the way

[buoyant oar]

I don't accept players who can't accept responsibility for their actions. Consequences are lined out in session zero. 🙂

[exotic sinew]

I still have 0 exp and I am adult……when do I start earning exp

[buoyant oar]

I once again advocate for people to look into book scanning to protect their DnD Library in case of fire

[crimson gulch]

when you take that first step, i bought my first players handbook in 2001 and never actually played till 2021

[hot marlin]

That too is the way

Although we must stress that you should scan your own book, for archive purposes.

[crimson gulch]

i too never started till i was an adult, married with kids

[buoyant oar]

I think I was destined to be a professor in a past life.

When I get rules questions on common things I wanna go "Its in the syllabus handbook"

Newbies obvs get a more guided hand. But if ya been playing for a bit. Help a brother out and read

[exotic sinew]

I meant I have no exp irl…. I have played before.

[crimson gulch]

ah if a player opens up the players handbook i ask them what they are looking for and tell them, gotta keep the games moving

[exotic sinew]

Sometimes I look in there during other peoples turns to re read spells to make sure I know its limitations or like certain aspects of my character to better plan my turn not necessarily to “look for something” specifically

[crimson gulch]

oh yeah if you are planning ahead go for it

[silk hare]

imo you should at least be aware of what YOU can do

e.g. by familiarizing yourself with your prepared spells or martial abilities at least

[crimson gulch]

but if you halt your turn to do a lookup

just ask me

[exotic sinew]

I recently swapped to a digital character sheet so that I can read spells and stuff more easily

[crimson gulch]

i have no problem honestly being the rules of the game, i have players that have played with me for over 200 and 500 sessions that still have questions every session, even on critical role you see folks that have been playing professionaly on camera for over a decade get things wrong and need to be corrected

[marble lion]

cr players having so many questions confuses me genuinely

some i really do understand, especially spell details etc

but there are a lot of basic questions that completely blindside me after years of weekly games

(i love critrole)

[crimson gulch]

I too am a big fan of critical role, i kind of hate that im up to date on season 4, i cant just go binge new stuff anymore

[marble lion]

i rebinged 1 and 2 and am on 3 now, further than i was when i quit

[humble cairn]

I do try and plan my moves between my turns so I don't take a long time. I play a minion heavy Ranger, and I am very aware of how that can gum up initiative. But I am pretty proud that I can keep my combat turns down to thirty seconds or less, unless something drastic happens right before my turn and I have to adapt.

[crimson gulch]

a player dosent need to know all the rules of the game to make their actions and intentions clear to the dm enough for them to call the rolls and determine the outcomes properly, with how many games of this i run (over 525 sessions with the 2024 rules alone) that honesty is a feature of the game in my view and not a problem

[humble cairn]

Last combat I did a suprising amount of healing, though, that was interesting.

[marble lion]

yeah i agree

damn i want to play dnd again, i need to find one more player sometime

[humble cairn]

Healing spells in 2024 are no joke.

[marble lion]

lost some friends in unfortunate coincidences piling up recently

now im 1 short for playing even a 3player game

[woven flint]

We got the dragons from the heist 🧐
Waterdeep: Dragon Heist is complete
Now we're going into Dungeon of the Mad Mage with the same characters
And after we get stronger, we're probably going back to kick Xanathar and Manshoons asses lol

[silk hare]

in person or online? bc there are plenty that would like to join an online game Im sure

[woven flint]

They blew up our Tavern/Bar far too many times

[marble lion]

anyone here know the pain of having an australian friend that wants to play but simply lives too far away to make it timewise_

[marble lion]

yeah its an option but since we always play with people we hang out with, right now im not keen on introducing a complete stranger

[crimson gulch]

My Saturday night games were Sunday morning for Australian players

[uncut zenith]

I find that a lot of people learn better through play than by just reading through the books and trying to memorize the rules

[marble lion]

im trying to just scout for new people and then ask them about it once we know each other

[flint ledge]

Yeah healing spells are pretty great now, even upcasted

[exotic sinew]

I only have cure wounds. It be sad 😢 i think next campaign I will play a bard, druid or cleric to be more of a healing support role

[crimson gulch]

1000% agreed, I tried reading the rules on my own and played 20 years later when I found an open table game I could buy a ticket for and sit down and play

[marble lion]

there are only a few things i really want a player to know (unless they are specifically new)
Spellcasting DC
AC
difference between temp and max hp
d20 being the die for basically everything
attack vs damage roll

[flint ledge]

Can't say the same about potions though

[woven flint]

We've really got a strong hatred for Manshoon. He's attacked us two times out bar got fireballed twice by him smh. ||One time he sent ONE simulacrum after us, then at the end he sent TWO simulacrums at once at us||

[marble lion]

i think anything else i kinda am fine with explaining on repeat

[uncut zenith]

Yeah I read the 2014 5E books cover to cover multiple times and couldn’t piece the rules together. It took playing and watching actual plays for me to finally get it.

[marble lion]

i learnt the game before reading the book

[crimson gulch]

That's why when I get a new player to the table I spend very few minuts before getting to play

[marble lion]

its nice for art and fluff imo

i do a mix of youtube tutorials, people teaching me (barely), and asking questions to google

the "learn when you need it" approach is definitely what i went for with dnd, beyond the absolute basics

[crimson gulch]

That is the way for sure

i would say over half of my players dont own any dnd handbooks

[tall forge]

Learn when you need it, but try to need more things

[woven flint]

I think we should create a hivemind where we can mentally share D&D knowledge with new players

[tall forge]

I agree

Here, let me put my worms into your brain

[marble lion]

i thought this was the hivemind?

[woven flint]

Someone thinks
"Awh, crap, what's this spell do again?"
And I'm like
I gotcha! And read it to them Telepathically

[woven flint]

Oh my... so soon?
Take me out to dinner first, at least

[tall forge]

You can eat the worms too

That counts

[woven flint]

I don't want to eat the worms!

[tall forge]

Eat your worms or i swear to the gods

Theyre good for you

[livid owl]

The opossum pfp really enhances this conversation

[tall forge]

100% of people who don’t eat their worms die

[woven flint]

That's because you KILL them, hivemind.

[halcyon bison]

Worms (mind flayer):
Worms (Kyuss):

Context matters

[silk hare]

When the tadpole mvps (slaadi) pull up

[keen kraken]

what does shadowfell feel like for a warlock hex-blade?

[silk hare]

youd have to ask the fictional character how he feels I guess

[keen kraken]

I meant like. What do you think

[marble lion]

its an interesting question because the shadowfell is the origin of hexblades specific subclass by default

so its not just "ask the character" but a lore question

ofc most games will let people change this lore to their preference

[halcyon bison]

why are there so many evil worms

[marble lion]

how exactly this link would impact the character though isnt as clear

[halcyon bison]

Why can't there be any good worms

[marble lion]

because worms are only noteworthy when dangerous

there are worms that arent evil but you dont hear about them

[keen kraken]

Yeah that’s what I meant. Like lore. I always play hex blade but I’m just curious if it would feel like
The same for someone who’s a fighter or if it would be normal

[halcyon bison]

but I feel like I would hear about friendly parasitic worms that make you a super mage

[marble lion]

in a very flavourful campaign there would definitely be some special descriptions and interactions

[keen kraken]

Rainworm?

[halcyon bison]

honestly earthworms are pretty lawful good coded

[tall forge]

I studied parasitic worms

[halcyon bison]

What's the most friendly one?

[forest agate]

In 2024 rules, moon druids only get level x 3 of temporary HP. According to this, why would anyone pick a high HP beast then?

[silk hare]

the ones that dont reproduce in humans I would guess haha

or rather,, the one that doesnt reach maturity inside of u

[marble lion]

they are all friendly, they love you

[halcyon bison]

its not their fault :<

[marble lion]

in a way, you are family to them tbh

parents frequently make sacrifices for their children

[humble cairn]

The HP on the beast statblock doesn't matter for Wild Shape '24.

[forest agate]

So then nobody would take a huge tank beast because they’re pointless now

[bronze wave]

well ac kinda matters

[humble cairn]

Well you pick them for their attacks and abilities.

[bronze wave]

but besides that ya it wouldnt matter

[humble cairn]

"Tanking" isn't really a thing anyway? It's not like having a lot of HP can make enemies target you.

[forest agate]

I mean thats true theres no taunting

Well can you taunt with cha check? Idk

[humble cairn]

Nope.

[forest agate]

Right

But you just have much less space to play with and positioning actually matters now

[bronze wave]

Id avoid anyone who had alot of hp lol

[humble cairn]

So yeah? I don't think anyone is telling people to pick the high HP beasts for that reason alone.

[umbral girder]

Yes technically

[bronze wave]

As a dm in a fight with a smart enemy the weakest is going down first

[umbral girder]

Via the Swashbuckler Rogue’s level 10 feature

[flint ledge]

Honestly as a DM I always attack the players with high AC or hp

[forest agate]

Idk I watched a few videos maybe they’re outdated but they talk about using HP to tank certain stuff

[humble cairn]

Outdated, yes.

[silk hare]

there ARE taunting mechanics (compelled duel etc)

[bronze wave]

I mean if you can somehow taunt or whatever hp helps

[humble cairn]

In 2014 you could just refresh your Wild Shape to have a whole other HP bar, basically.

[bronze wave]

but in ge tanking is rlly possible fully

[forest agate]

I see

[bronze wave]

but you can make it better

[silk hare]

if yuo want a "taunting tank", paladin (I think crown?) is your best bet

[humble cairn]

2024 made "tanking" closer to real because of the change to Grapple, though.

[silk hare]

whichever one has that feature of enemy cant move 30 ft away from you

[forest agate]

But in 2024 your temporary HP is gone, then you transform back and transform again to gain temporary HP

[forest agate]

But grapple is level 5 spell right?

[silk hare]

no its a mechanic

[flint ledge]

Honestly I don't exactly get that, I mean sure it makes sense but quite frankly not attacking the guy who specifically built themselves to be a tank is meh

[silk hare]

you can use your attack to grapple somone

[tall forge]

Ones that dont live in humans

[humble cairn]

Yes, you can do that, it's just now normalized to your class scaling, rather than being able to exploit beast statblocks with a lot of hp.

[forest agate]

I see

[bronze wave]

In a fight vs a smart enemy, the smart enemy will fight smart. not sure whats to get lol

[still plover]

You think the opposition have never heard the phrase, "gank the wizard first"?

[humble cairn]

No? It's something anyone with hands and a decent Str score (or Dex for Monks) can do.

[silk hare]

even with a not so decent score as long as they get lucky

[forest agate]

Oh wait Giant Toad (cr1) has grapple

[turbid vessel]

I think the point is that you're a GM, not the enemy you play, and the encounters you design should be in context of the players. Not that you should never challenge your players, but more you shouldn't design asynchronously from their playstyles

[forest agate]

Grapple is just a cc that forces the enemy to roll a save until freed before moving right?

[buoyant oar]

Monsters will knock you down and move on to the next.

Intelligent foes will beat up your unconscious body until you are dead

[humble cairn]

I mean if your NPC is a beast and there's a big PC in front of them, sure, that's the target that is most threatening. But if your NPC is a highly intelligent mage or warlord it would be a bit silly that they wouldn't recognize high priority targets and adjust their tactics accordingly.

[turbid vessel]

And in 2024 while grappled you have disadvantage on attacks against anyone who's not your grappler

[hollow stone]

true story, i am in a campaign with 3 casters and a Monk, so i am spending my first 2 feats becoming a wall to protect them

[forest agate]

I see, but grappled doesnt work large bosses

[woven flint]

I'd also say most animals would attack downed creatures, if not for food then until they're sure the threat is dead

[bronze wave]

Sure I wouldnt hard counter my team every time but also if all your doing is attacking the strongest hp guy I think thats dumb combat design. I do think both as a player and dm the most fun Ive had in a combat is when the DM plays as the enemy in mind (to a large degree atleast), otherwise its pretty flat

[humble cairn]

Along with an attack debuff, and you can Grapple as an Opportunity Attack, which means Str melee builds have a decent way to stop enemies from simply walking past them to get at their allies, a crucial function of the "tank" idea.

[forest agate]

But grappled can just cc anyone that is below large even if its a final boss?

[river vector]

Yeah ok but killing characters im pretty sure is a good way to get your players to leave unless you discuss it with them before hand.

[bronze wave]

Playing in char to enemy makes it feel way more alive

if your this genius and I see you making dumb combat choices, Im thinking this NPC is stupid lol

[silk hare]

sure, but your boss should have some options to dodge/ get out of such situations

[woven flint]

You can grapple things a size larger than you

[buoyant oar]

Player character death is clearly outlined in my syllabus session zero document.

[still plover]

Good news! You can grapple one size greater than yourself.

[bronze wave]

I assume every gm is talking about this in s0

[humble cairn]

Large yes, Huge and Gargantuan no, unless you yourself get bigger, which some builds can.

[forest agate]

I see

[turbid vessel]

Like I said, the point isn't to never challenge your players. It's to design with them in mind. Sometimes designing with them in mind means enemies going for the squishy players as a challenge! But if a player specifically designed wanting to be a tank and protect the party, then more often than not it's in your best interest as a GM to play into your players fantasies

[humble cairn]

It's a saving throw. Legendary monsters can Legendary Resist it.

[forest agate]

Ok ok

[hollow stone]

i am gonna run Polearm Master and Sentinel and we are going to pray we never encounter an environment where they aren't behind me

[woven flint]

Most people should also probably expect that their character has potential to die if they're an adventurer

I mean, Adventuring is dangerous

[humble cairn]

The Swallow option is also quite nasty.

[remote wadi]

I wonder what wouls happen if your DM allowed the Guardian subclass

[bronze wave]

Ya again I outlined a smart person doing it, i doubt the party is doing that all or even most of the time yk. (I also expect the tank char to be building smth in the realm of tanky)

[forest agate]

I see, so giant toad is very good in 2024

[woven flint]

To be fair, not a lot of casters need anymore protection than you do

[humble cairn]

I personally theorize that while "tanking" wasn't really a mechanically supported niche in 2014, it might actually be real in 2024.

[bronze wave]

ya Idk if I can play in a game no death

[still plover]

On death: sure, it should be in Session Zero. Sometimes you get the Gates of Death and a second chance, or divine intervention, or just have to play the "new companion" as a sidekick until your old cold self can be hooked up with a willing priest and a handful of shiny rocks.

Sometimes you just die, and it's new character time. Table by table.

[humble cairn]

It was in 2014 as well, I believe.

[atomic kayak]

A smart person generally also isn't going to ignore the person in their face beating on them

[woven flint]

I've seen Wizards and Sorcerers hold their own with only like...
10 or 11 AC lol

[hollow stone]

that's a fine question, but i didn't even know there was a guardian subclass lol

[forest agate]

So brown bear has very high and consistent dmg
Dire wolf for swarm cleanup
Giant toad for cc

[turbid vessel]

You'd be surprised how many GMs take a combative approach to how they interact with their players 😭

[humble cairn]

Deer for having to hightail it out of combat.

[woven flint]

My Aberrant Mind Sorcerer got grappled once, but he just killed the grappler with a point-blank Sunbeam

[buoyant oar]

I am not a combative DM those are fightin words /s

[bronze wave]

I play with the mentality that as a DM I will always be rooting for my players to win and in a normal combat (unless its for smth very specfic) the enemy is trying their hardest to win

[humble cairn]

Horse if you want to transport allies.

[humble cairn]

That's definitely one way to solve the problem.

[noble basin]

Minor overreaction

[woven flint]

It was a glorious oneshot against a boss enemy lol

[forest agate]

Because of 50ft speed?

[humble cairn]

Spider for crawling through tiny spaces.

[forest agate]

Okok

[humble cairn]

And immunity to Opportunity Attacks.

[buoyant oar]

I also want my party to win. But they will earn it. No easy wins at my table. World is Dark and full of Terrors

[forest agate]

Ahhhhh I see

[turbid vessel]

The point I'm trying to illuminate is that the narrative goal in a game doesn't always (and shouldn't always) align with the GM goal. In my perspective, the GMs goal above all should be to facilitate a good story, not necessarily to make the combat as realistic as possible. But we're going in circles at this point with this conversation

[woven flint]

He didn't like being touched
He almost did the same against a party member that hugged him, but he refrained because logistically it wouldn't have ended well

[humble cairn]

So as a Moon Druid if you really need to leave a combat, you can Bonus Action shift to a Deer and then Action Dash to get 100ft away with no opportunity attacks.

[forest agate]

Right but its also a waste of transformation slots

[woven flint]

It's not if you survive

[humble cairn]

Not a waste if it accomplishes what you need in the moment.

[forest agate]

Right

[turbid vessel]

If you have fun wasting time, you're not wasting time

[atomic kayak]

Yea if you are using it for a purpose and you... do it for the purpose. Thats by no definition a waste

[bronze wave]

sure you could also stay in combat and die/waste time

using it to escape a combat makes sense its a tactical use

[humble cairn]

If make all the choices in your build combat choices, what are you going to do when a noncombat obstacle comes up?

[woven flint]

Just like how not using your spell slots all in one day isn't a waste, you get more anyway

[forest agate]

Right, I mean I’m new so I’m trying to prepare and understand a few beasts at first

I didn’t know there were deer options I thought most were worth it only if its for statblocks

[humble cairn]

Deer is a beast statblock in the Player's Handbook. It's a CR 0 Beast, but it still has useful abilities.

[forest agate]

But its bad for combat no?

[atomic kayak]

Not everything is combat

[woven flint]

Not everything has to be useful for combat to be good for something else

[bronze wave]

Well not all wildshapes need to be used for combat

[humble cairn]

It's bad for offense in combat, it's great for defense and fleeing.

[bronze wave]

100ft is a 100ft

[forest agate]

Ahhh okay

[uncut zenith]

If anything I’m a firm believer that Wild Shape isn’t really a combat heavy feature unless you’re playing a subclass like Moon Druid which explicitly makes Wild Shape more combat worthy.

[bronze wave]

I assume they are talking moon druid, being a cr1 monster when everyone is lvl 10 isnt going to go well

[humble cairn]

Spider is CR 0 and also does very little damage, but it's great when you want to go unnoticed, climb up walls or ceilings, and fit through tiny spaces.

[bronze wave]

mf is a dire wolf when Im doing 6 attacks