dnd-discussion

[tall forge]

:( let me have this

[drifting zodiac]

JIMMY it's just table salt not salt

[hollow stone]

ok sorry 🥺

[knotty vine]

Artificers invent cutting-edge problems, then try to solve them—loudly and often with collateral damage.

[drifting zodiac]

Everytime someone mentions Artificers I think of that mechanic guy from TF2

[flint ledge]

Yeah (If I was playing XP I would) I find it odd anyway that they seem to be CR 23-27 I was always under the impression they weren't that far away from deities power wise

[knotty vine]

I can’t believe I’m writing this, but I think I could get behind a faith focused on mood lighting and evening wear.

[tall forge]

Are naps included

I’ll worship any god if they could provide me a full 8 hours…

[knotty vine]

Brains over brawn? Mind over matter? These canny warriors rightly answer, “Why not both?”

my take on psi warriors

[rugged hawk]

You now get 8 full hours of sleep each night, but are simultaneously plagued with sleep paralysis and nightmares

[tall forge]

Do i wake up tired and grumpy?

[knotty vine]

You’re researching ancient arts and drawing runes. It’s okay to just say you want to be a witch! rune knight

[jovial shadow]

The god Morpheus welcomes you

[rugged hawk]

Obviously. And coffee no longer helps

[knotty vine]

Note to self: create a spell that lets you throat-punch people with your ghost.

[tall forge]

Jokes on you, caffeine doesnt help already

[hoary totem]

A literature club a close friend of mine is in is hosting a DnD night

Our entire friend group just came together to convince them

[flint ledge]

That's nice

[hoary totem]

5 tables:
"1 urban fantasy
2 contemporary
3 urban horror like SCP
4 horror/thriller
5 folklore/mythology"

[knotty vine]

Tentacles, psychic powers, beings from beyond the stars—one person’s bad dream is another person’s good time. AM sorcrer

[hoary totem]

Later on in the fathomless warlock section Tasha actually has to clarify that her slightly suspicious love of tentacles is not freaky

[flint ledge]

I'm unsure if dnd is the best system for urban horror

[knotty vine]

famothless warlock 😭
I never understood why some people get so jittery about tentacles. Have you ever had octopus nigiri? One of the few pieces of evidence of a benevolent multiverse.

[tall forge]

Its def not, but it can work fine enough

[drifting zodiac]

This sounds amazing

[hot marlin]

It actually may be one of the worst ones for that

[hoary totem]

it's basically "GUYS IT'S NOT FREAKY I JUST LIKE SUSHI"

[knotty vine]

I know finding housing in Greyhawk is rough, but when genies or warlocks offer you cheap rent, run.

[worn lagoon]

dnd is not THAT suitable for many types of settings, people just default to it because it's the only system most people know

[flint ledge]

Why genies

[tall forge]

Its good for medieval European fantasy

[jolly agate]

Damn now i wanna eat sushi

[hoary totem]

Tasha also points out she likes twilight clerics because she literally just likes the aesthetic (quote: "evening wear and mood lighting")

[halcyon forum]

DND is fine for most settings if you still do typical dnd gameplay loops. Space dungeon and space dragons etc

[flint ledge]

Pirate and steampunk can also work very well if you add some slight homebrew

[jolly agate]

Is there sushi in dnd or has it not been invented yet?

[hollow stone]

eating raw anything came before eating cooked anything

[tall forge]

Ehhhh

[flint ledge]

How do they actually prepare the raw fish so you don't get horrible food poisoning

[jolly agate]

Sushi is not just raw fish you dummy

[sly crest]

this is 100% a mood. I'd play Twilight clerics for the aesthetic alone

[tall forge]

Historically, not fully

[jolly agate]

there's also rice

[sly crest]

related: they don't make sushi from fresh water fish for this reason

[jolly agate]

Well one type of sushi is ye, just raw fish

[tall forge]

Once fire became prevalant we sorta just started doing stuff

[jolly agate]

but still

[flint ledge]

I know I'm asking specifically about the fish cause that's the part that would make you sick if not prepared properly

[sly crest]

though IIRC there are cooked and even vegetarian rolls

[knotty vine]

For all you novice wizards thinking about magic training, seriously consider apprenticing. I know liches who are still paying off their academy loans.
no one is saved from the cold hand of capitalism

[tall forge]

And sushi specifically came from a way of fermentation

[hollow stone]

you mean to tell me that the first cyanobacteria to develop the organelles necessary to eat trees had to cook it first?

[knotty vine]

not even liches

[glad arch]

Atleast liches have their entire life to pay it off

[knotty vine]

True lol

[tall forge]

I was speaking of humans but there are also animals that eat “cooked” food

[worn lagoon]

Just become a warlock, all you need to do is avoid all the fiends and choose the right Archfey.

[jolly agate]

You think they have problems?, Do you know how expensive bard schools are?

[knotty vine]

No clue

[jolly agate]

and they ain't even makin that much

[knotty vine]

"Well, darn. Whatever could have happened to the spells Mordenkainen’s Bountiful Back-Patting, Heward’s Hot Air, and all the rest? I’m sure I submitted the spells they insisted I include herein. Seems they got lost in the shuffle. Shame."

[flint ledge]

Well how would you even contact the correct archfey just wander around in the feywild until you find a funny one?

[jolly agate]

But the Fiends are cool

[knotty vine]

i really wanna know what "Heward's Hot Air" did now

[worn lagoon]

Cernunnos is pretty cool, you just have to hunt

[hoary totem]

There's some bit in the spell flavouring section where Tasha added chicken legs to all her spells i think

[tall forge]

After much thought- sushi probably doesnt exist in dnd

[jolly agate]

Fiend sounds pretty much like "Friend". And Archfey sounds like... something boring

[hoary totem]

Beeg deer

[glad arch]

First steps towards inventing hot air balloons

[jolly agate]

That's sad

[worn lagoon]

Kara-tur probably has it

[knotty vine]

Nigiri exist through

[tall forge]

Oh forgot about them

[knotty vine]

weirdly enough

[feral fulcrum]

WHy couldn't sushi exist in D&D?

[tall forge]

Nvm it probably exists

[feral fulcrum]

It's not like it's particuarly special or difficult to make.

[worn lagoon]

Koryo is DnD japan

[tall forge]

Seaweed, mostly

But theres a lot of factors into why sushi became a thing

[knotty vine]

it prob does it just aint mentioned but tasha on the other hand does mention that she likes Nigiri

[flint ledge]

Fiends certainly want to be your friends

[knotty vine]

when talking about famothless warlocks

[hot marlin]

Sushi also emerged in a specific cultural context. Consider that it used to be street food.

[woven flint]

I have the urge to say something random so:
You folks should play a Firbolg... EVENTUALLY! 🌩️

[tall forge]

Theres a cultural aspect, a scientific aspect, a resource aspect

[jolly agate]

still is, just. yk, Bloody expensive sometimes

[hot marlin]

Mostly eaten by poor dock workers. One of the few things that was considered acceptable to eat by hand.

[knotty vine]

Who doesn’t love magic items? The desire for them is one of the few things Mordenkainen and I have in common. And magic tattoos—they’re especially fun. I think tattoos are a reason robes are so popular with wizards. Robes cover the ankle and lower-back tattoos so many of us got as apprentices. Don’t even ask.

[worn lagoon]

that's my patron, close enough

[fossil shuttle]

It's rice, fish, and seaweed

[woven flint]

Firbolgs are
Giant related ☑️
Fey related ☑️
And pretty chill people
Play a Firbolg!

[flint ledge]

Don't think I've even heard someone consider playing one now that I think about it

[hot marlin]

This is a known phenomenon. Something that starts out working class eventually becomes elite. It happened with Dionysos, punk clothing, lobster, caviar...

[jolly agate]

Tasha we talkin abt sushi and firebolgs

[woven flint]

I'm gonna be playing a Firbolg Wildmagic Sorcerer soon

[spring light]

i love eating sushi with my tacos in d&d

[hollow stone]

i have a friend playing a firbolg!! they have a 24 passive perception. we accused them of smelling things approaching, as opposed to seeing.

[jolly agate]

say what?

[hot marlin]

Food is a tool of worldbuilding is all I'm saying.

[worn lagoon]

Baguettes and Pizza exist in Faerun

[tall forge]

Was my 2nd character i ever played

He left the party after 3 sessions

[knotty vine]

did you know theres two races that are immune to a damage type at any given time

[hoary totem]

My undead warlock got herself a pact without selling her soul.

She did have to survive a genocide and watched her own family get killed, get enslaved and abused, and barely survived a su1cide attempt, so I wouldn't say she got off scot free.

[spring light]

are you suggesting making sushi tacos? i like what you're saying cow-wizard

[worn lagoon]

And so does Khoresh

[hollow stone]

ooo which species and what damages?

[hoary totem]

i think yuan ti is immune to poison

[lavish flame]

to my recollection, Elminster enjoys root beer qhen he's on Earth

[jolly agate]

I'm going to try it

[woven flint]

I like Firbolgs because they basically get Speak with Beasts and Plants for free, although it's one sided..
They have advantage on Charisma checks to influence them too!

[hoary totem]

sneks basically

[knotty vine]

the grung are also immune to posion

[flint ledge]

Resistant

[fossil shuttle]

Ok, so my party and I need some help with a problem we're gonna need to solve.

[hollow stone]

i thought they were resistant?

[jolly agate]

What races?

[fossil shuttle]

Anyone got any ideas for how to safely remove a child's spine (reviving him or using wish are not options)

[knotty vine]

100% immune

[spring light]

...what

[woven flint]

Sounds like a rough party if a Firbolg doesn't wanna stay in their company lol

[hot marlin]

I'm sorry, what?

[jolly agate]

Just kill the child?

[valid geyser]

Can it just be like Star Wars where we make food fantastical by making it blue

[flint ledge]

Uhm... Huh

[hoary totem]

We need context here pal

[spring light]

this is not okay. . .

[worn lagoon]

Is the child already dead?

[woven flint]

Maybe give more context instead of just saying that?

[jolly agate]

Cast fireball

[spring light]

fireball

[flint ledge]

Just eat monsters as food.

[tall forge]

The backstory was they lived in a big tree with other firbolgs, got kicked out by government, came back to protest and the tree burned down

[hot marlin]

There is no way to "safely" remove a spine. You can't live without a spine

[drifting zodiac]

So many replies I am gonna reply to

[fossil shuttle]

He attuned to a magic item we REALLY need (it's a key to the vault holding our BBEG), and it turned into his spine. We would prefer to get it out safely

[lavish flame]

i honestly dont think we do

[woven flint]

You see, you should've lead with that.

[tall forge]

It left a single seed of which my character gently picked it up, then went “it is my time. I must go” and left

[jolly agate]

I have a cousin who lives without a brain. But without spine? That's complicated.

[hot marlin]

Not gonna happen.

[hollow stone]

fascinating, and the other?

[spring light]

an npc's spine has attuned with a macguffin?

[drifting zodiac]

Close your eyes guys

[valid geyser]

A remove curse spell maybe? But if you have to actually remove the spine, you’re SOL

[jolly agate]

Nah just kill the child atp

[hot marlin]

You'll just have to either kill the kid or bring the kid to the vault.

[worn lagoon]

Simply cast Knock

[flint ledge]

Uhm... Any spells you have access to?

[jolly agate]

living whit no spine would be just hellish

[drifting zodiac]

Cast Fireball

[jolly agate]

Cast Fireball at the child

[knotty vine]

to my knowledge its only pure blood yuan ti and Grung

[drifting zodiac]

Yes

[woven flint]

I think killing a child would be incredibly distasteful tbh

[worn lagoon]

Find a necromancer willing to produce a Clone of the kid, then safely transfer the soul

[jolly agate]

Do they have more options tho?

[fossil shuttle]

We have 2 (hopefully soon 3) of the 5, but the previous were all attuned to villains, so we didn't have to worry about just killing them.

[hot marlin]

Not hellish. Impossible. Your nerves are in it. Your breathing, heart regulation and organ function passes through that.

[tall forge]

It’s actually not impossible!

[drifting zodiac]

THIS also makes a good side quest THIS

[hot marlin]

The heart literally cannot beat without the spine.

[tall forge]

You dont need a heart to live

[hollow stone]

gonna make a half yuan ti and half grung to keep the poison immunity but have neither of the other two species features

[hot marlin]

Why is resurrection not an option?

[woven flint]

My solution?
See if the child has any control over the magic item first

[tall forge]

Now, its def near impossible in dnd

[drifting zodiac]

You need a pump for the blood not a heart

[valid geyser]

My guess is level

[worn lagoon]

Well it doesn't have to be a necromancer, but a Clone spell would most likely belong to one

[tall forge]

But irl? You can survive with just a head!

[spring light]

push the npc up against the door. i like this

[hollow stone]

this isn't how half species works but it is kinda funny

[spring light]

the head that wouldn't die!

[tall forge]

We just dont know how to put the head back on, so you die eventually

[drifting zodiac]

Make up a potion you need to find to separate the kid with the item

[spring light]

that's something the dm would need to do

[hot marlin]

Death is when your heart ceases functioning. If your head is separated, your heartbeat stops immediately.

[jolly agate]

And what about creating a spine using magic?

[fossil shuttle]

Our Aasimar death cleric is the son of Kelemvor and is very much of the opinion that the dead should stay dead. We also have to roll to see if resurrection spells work, effectively rolling against the god of death

[spring light]

what level is your party?

[sterile berry]

Hey guys

[jolly agate]

And then do a spine transplant

[woven flint]

I don't think there's any practical way unless you have the Regeneration spell

[fossil shuttle]

My one idea is casting regenerate, but I don't know if the kid could last long enough

[hot marlin]

Alright here are possible solutions: Remove curse may unbind the magic item safely.

[drifting zodiac]

Well idk but the DM taste to get to this point is huh without any hinted solutions

[fossil shuttle]

Currently 13

[hot marlin]

It would not.

[tall forge]

A bit of a semantics argument here, you can have a conscious thinking creature without a beating heart

[jolly agate]

Have the barbarian rip off his spine and then cast it

[hot marlin]

And that conscious thinking creature is dead.

[spring light]

soul trap... shove the kind in a construct >_>

[flint ledge]

Oh yikes... Uh what's their opinion on the reincarnate spell? I assume also not a big fan?

[fossil shuttle]

We've figured out that dispel magic can unattune the items, but then the child doesn't have a spine

[lavish flame]

We are intricately discussing the details of murdering a child via surgical operation in the D&D discord server

[spring light]

...his spine IS the key?

[fossil shuttle]

We don't have a barbarian

[hot marlin]

Ah, the magic item literally is the spine, not just fused to it?

[drifting zodiac]

Can I give another idea?

[jolly agate]

Your party sucks /jk

[spring light]

chill

[tall forge]

And technically semantics wise this is debatable

[woven flint]

Well, technically, the child isn't supposed to die yet, maybe present that as an argument?

(Also, why aren't they a Grave Cleric lol? Death Clerics love Necromancy)

[fossil shuttle]

The key became his spine. Our Warlock/Monk has one, and it tore out his eye and replaced it

[jolly agate]

Someone whit good stats in str maybe?

[hot marlin]

Alright then. Your only two solutions are to either kill the kid and remove the spine from his corpse, or bring him to the vault and ask him to open it.

[tall forge]

Legally speaking you arent dead until youre not alive

[flint ledge]

"No barbarian? 0/10 party"

[spring light]

yeah, take the soul out of the body, put it in a new body. you're level 13, you can pull this off

[fossil shuttle]

I guess he just figured a death cleric was better for a son of death

[hot marlin]

Wait, if your BBEG is in a vault, why do you care? Just leave him locked up

[drifting zodiac]

Exactly

[spring light]

you don't HAVE TO kill someone to take their soul

[drifting zodiac]

"Oh man my fireball"

[hollow stone]

so it appears that you need to expose the spine to the surface necessary to unlock it, then dump like 40 billion spell slots on Cure Wounds so this doesn't just murder them

[jolly agate]

But the items, the precious boss items

[hoary totem]

As a St. John's Brigade member. Removing the spine, even with a theoretical 100% safe procedure that ensures no injury from the procedure itself, involves yeeting out the spinal cord, meaning it completely paralyses the person

[umbral girder]

Could be a legend of zelda situation, just the power leaking out is enough to threaten the world.
Or the vault is in a bunker.

[woven flint]

I don't think that makes sense as Grave Clerics also fall under the death domain, but they're more benevolent, but that's just semantics

[spring light]

they're level 13, they can do fancy stuff.

[jolly agate]

yeah

[flint ledge]

Maybe he's casting a Karsus level spell

[jolly agate]

cast fireball

[tall forge]

Yknow maybe killing the kid is better at this point

[hot marlin]

Or, find another way to enter the vault.

[drifting zodiac]

Yes

[hoary totem]

Grave Clerics' gods are gods of the dead, Death Clerics' gods are gods of death. Grave Clerics have Hades, Death Clerics have Thanatos. Or similar comparison.

[fossil shuttle]

We have (including potential companions), 2 rogues, 2 clerics, 2 warlocks (one multi-monk), a paladin (he had to leave the game for a while), a druid (currently on leave), and a sorcerer

[woven flint]

My pfp is my Tabaxi Grave Cleric of Kelemvor, his name was Nokiin!
He got spirited away to a different realm as a child

[tribal notch]

I cast counter spell while subtle spelling it 🤣

[tall forge]

Because this legit sound like torture

[worn lagoon]

if gas can seep through the door's cracks, cloudkill the entire vault

[spring light]

do you have an artificer or access to an artificer?
soul trap the npc, put the soul in a construct, take the key out of the body.
have an artificer build a spine, insert that in the body, grab the soul again, put it back in the original body.

whamo bamo, there you go.

[drifting zodiac]

I thought it was the Cheshire Cat from Alice in the Wonderland

[woven flint]

Kelemvor, notably, is a God of the Dead.

[jolly agate]

Yeah like "nah we goin to rip off your spine kid, sorry"

[tall forge]

“Dont worry, youll be alive through the whole thing!”

[drifting zodiac]

Or would you like the shiny ball kid?

[fossil shuttle]

There's a whole "the seal is weakening, we have to kill it before it escapes on it's own"

[spring light]

...why are you going to such simplistic routes? it's not like they're level 3

[drifting zodiac]

"fireball"

[woven flint]

Don't try to semantics me, Bucko!
I can play this game forever /silly/joking

[feral fulcrum]

What is this, D&D but in the SAW Franchise?

[tall forge]

I mean, you could just wait outside the seal then

[spring light]

anyway, as a dm i'd definitely facility a soul transfer

[tall forge]

If its gonna happen might as well just jump the dude when they escape

[hoary totem]

Ask your DM what the heck they are doing.

[drifting zodiac]

I mean we recommend different solution to them but they don't seem to do anything

[tribal notch]

"Counter spell"

[drifting zodiac]

YES I was thinking the same

[spring light]

seems to be a lot of conversation going on, from different directions to be fair.

[tribal notch]

I love that spell

[umbral girder]

succeeds Con save

[jolly agate]

Is there no duplication spell they can use to create a duplicate of the child's spine?

[hollow stone]

i tried to issue a solution and they just pretended i didn't say that

[tribal notch]

Lucky reroll

[jolly agate]

to not, yk. just rip it off

[drifting zodiac]

"silence spell"

[umbral girder]

Not how Lucky works.

[woven flint]

My current favorite spell is Synaptic Static..

It's Intelligence saving throw fireball that does Psychic damage and give penalties to enemy rolls 😎

[spring light]

looks like they've got a lot of people talking at them from different direction

[tall forge]

Like, if this seal is gonna break anyways why do you need to open it?

[flint ledge]

You don't happen to have access to time stop do you?

[spring light]

can't cast silence as a reaction! spell!

[tribal notch]

Oh no its disadvantage

[tribal notch]

Your right my bad

[umbral girder]

Still not how it works

[drifting zodiac]

Idk .. I am too new never played 😭

[fossil shuttle]

The "dude" is the phsyical embodiment of ambition itself; one does not simply "jump the dude."

[tribal notch]

Its not?

[spring light]

welcome to the hobby!

[woven flint]

you have to call lucky BEFORE you roll something

[tall forge]

Arent you opening the seal to fight them anyways

[feral fulcrum]

Time stop is 9th Level, and if they had access to that, they could just use the Wish that they most likely have and wouldn't be wracking their brain for solutions.

[tall forge]

Thats jumping the dude

[fossil shuttle]

One player got it from drinking a wild magic potion, but that's way too up to chance

[tribal notch]

Ooooooh ok i didnt knwo that

[drifting zodiac]

Tbf I been around for years but oh well always scared

[woven flint]

Lucky gives you advantage on a roll, it's not a pure reroll like Heroic Inspiration is

[spring light]

scared of.... d&d? roleplaying?

[tribal notch]

Oooo were talking lv 9 spell combos

[feral fulcrum]

You should be scared, it's full of spiders.

[umbral girder]

Its advantage on your own rolls or on an enemy's attack rolls against you. You cannot influence a target's saving throws. (And I think ability checks)

[drifting zodiac]

Scared of getting into the hobby also no friends irl so yea

[tender fossil]

We'll be your friends

[flint ledge]

They specifically said wish wasn't an option I wanted to know if something else would be

[woven flint]

I don't play D&D with any irl friends and I'm okay!
(I'm delusional, send help.)

[fossil shuttle]

We don't really have time to just wait, with all the pawns the BBEG has running around trying to free it while fulfilling their own ambitions. The one's we've encountered so far are twin cult leaders, a buffed Strahd, an undead Giant King, and the ancient orange dragon we're currently fighting.

[spring light]

well im glad you're getting into it.
Have you tried looking around your local area? cafes, libraries, bookstores, school/uni clubs (or talking with students/faculty), local game stores/hobby shops, maybe even music stores?

[hot marlin]

Uh... Why before? Just get yourself at the entrance, ready to ambush it and kill it when it tries to leave?

[feral fulcrum]

...I know? I was telling DemonXBreaker that if they had access to lvl 9 spells, they wouldn't even have a problem.

[tribal notch]

Oh ok I dont use lucky much my main go to feats are lile sheild mastery and fate gambler

[flint ledge]

Oh woops sorry

[umbral girder]

Could be a legend of zelda moment, his power is hurting people thousands of miles away with what is leaking out already.

So waiting will doom the world by the time he is out.

[fossil shuttle]

We also don't know where the seal is, if it's even a physical location to begin with

[tribal notch]

This is true

[woven flint]

Nealen
Are we potentially making it to the Fight against Lord Soth tonight btw?

[valid geyser]

Also “the seal could open any day now” relative to an immortal could be, like. In a hundred years

[umbral girder]

I am hopeful. But need to check after class today.

[feral fulcrum]

...I misread that as Lord Sith and got slightly interested, then realized I misread, and now I'm dissapointed there is no Lord Sith.

[umbral girder]

Lord Soth being way cooler.

[empty thicket]

Remember people, the bartender can give you hints of things that happen in the town
The barbershop will give you a lot more of info about anything like that.

[woven flint]

Lord Soth is an INSANE Aura Farmer

[valid geyser]

Isn’t lord Soth just d&d darth Vader anyway?

[umbral girder]

That is a comparison people like to make but not really.

[flint ledge]

Oh yikes uhm... That's a few powerful servants... So how much time do you have to spare? Weeks? Months?

[drifting zodiac]

I live in a very small island that I don't speak the language off, no university here or a game shop (barely any shops), no libraries and even before that it mostly came down to , not the same language and constantly moving and idk

[spring light]

Well, online gaming it is then, eh!

[woven flint]

His kingdom was burning down around him and he just sat on his throne, when people came to check the wreckage they found Lord Soth as a Death Knight still on the THRONE

Brother has AURA

[umbral girder]

Fun thing about Soth's fall it was really a "Everyone here is at fault here"

Strahd like backstory but everyone was being the awful person it kinda just compounded into the newly made Death Knight.

[drifting zodiac]

No mic , and I don't live alone so it's constantly noisy and no privacy
See I been trained so good at giving excuses 🤣 fr tho idk but I plan to stick around

[woven flint]

I'm hoping we can potentially talk to Lord Soth and attempt to reason, what with the multiverse being at stake

[spring light]

have you considered text based games?

[umbral girder]

Out of every bad guy you met, he would be most likely to listen.

[woven flint]

Yayyy! Lord Chad back at it again!

[drifting zodiac]

I might buy a mic but i might move by the end of the year and it's so difficult to find time alone to roleplay as a Goblin Lord

[drifting zodiac]

Like in discord or choose your own story or solo ttrpgs?

[burnt valley]

Time Stop + Glyph of Warding

[tribal notch]

Oooo I like this one

[feral fulcrum]

Speaking of Lord Soth and him being Not! Darth Vader, that reminded me of Darth Sion, and the fact that I have yet to hear of a BBEG using things like Death Ward to just...refuse to die.

[spring light]

i have a lot of fun in very slow paced, play by post, text based games.

I play them with a bunch of other people over discord.

[drifting zodiac]

I remember I joined one server but then left cus I didn't have time and my character got deleted

[umbral girder]

Lord Soth is a villain yes, but he is still a Knight after all. Has his honor and chivalry still.

[tribal notch]

One of my mire used ones if I only have 1 lv9 spell (wich is normaly the case)
Blade of disaster + steel wind strike (upcasted)

[spring light]

there are games like that. good games are generally chill with you playing to whatever extent you enjoy

[drifting zodiac]

I tried some other server which were dead silent

[tribal notch]

My favourite class is warlock but I am due to play as a wizard so I do unhealthy ammouny of resurch

[spring light]

those are common

[feral fulcrum]

Do not disturb the Tombs

[craggy summit]

-# disturb the tombs, do it i double dog dare you

[tribal notch]

Is that a challenge?

[umbral girder]

The dare fails due to being a cat person, not a dog person

[craggy summit]

Indeed 👀

[drifting zodiac]

I made some character meanwhile and trying to act smart in this server till I get bored and give up and repeat the same next year

[tribal notch]

I CAST THUNDERWAVE

[craggy summit]

Valid point, in that case I double cat dare you

[tribal notch]

Can be heard from 300ft away i belive unless thats shatter

[umbral girder]

My double cats said no.

[spring light]

well, i'm sure you'll find a game that feels right for you. it can take time to find the right "Table" especially if you're very particular.

[drifting zodiac]

I think the problem is on my side cus too many problems than with finding the One table

[craggy summit]

That's thunderwave, you're correct 😌

[spring light]

knowing what you want, and what you can commit, is big

[tribal notch]

Good good that would have been embarrassing if I got it wrong 🤣

[woven flint]

I get to play my Bugbear Ranger more tomorrow 👀
He's on the lower end of HP in the party so I worry for his life (he only has a +1 to con lol) but he's a ranged character for the most part and long arms help with melee just in case

[craggy summit]

To be fair, with the amount of spells in dnd and how many details some of them can have. It's not as embarrassing as you'd think to get a spells description long 😅

I thought for the longest time that mage hands weight limit was 5 but I was recently told it was actually 10 by one of my players

[tribal notch]

This is very true
You have a favourite spell?

[burnt valley]

The trick is to get a Tiny Servant/Unseen Servant trigger the Glyph a second before the duration of the servant ends

[craggy summit]

Chromatic orb (very underrated first level spell) and haste 🙂‍↕️

[burnt valley]

My favourite ones are True Polymorph and Shapechange

[tribal notch]

Oooooooh thays actually really smart the glyph dose good dammahe to if im correct irs around 8d10

[tall forge]

I like contingency

[burnt valley]

No no i mean trigger the Time Stop

[woven flint]

Talking about favorite spells eh?

I'm partial to Shocking Grasp, Spirit Gaurdians and Synaptic Static...

All three of which I'll eventually have on my Knowledge Cleric 👁

[craggy summit]

spirit guardians my beloved

[feral fulcrum]

Ashardalon's Stride reminds my favorite

[craggy summit]

i carry a locket with a piece of paper that has Spirit guardians description written on it

[feral fulcrum]

Cha Cha Slide real smooth through your enemies while doing passive fire damage.

[tribal notch]

Oooo yes chromatic orb is a amazing spell for its level mine has to be
Hex (also underrated)

[burnt valley]

True Polymorph my beloved, you get to use that one homebrewed monster your DM used against the party ages ago

[jolly agate]

I kinda like flame strike

[tribal notch]

Ooooh yes I love that one

[jolly agate]

And Hallow

[feral fulcrum]

I miss Cataract of Fire

[craggy summit]

That with a sorcerer who is twinning it? Oh my goodness that is insane at lower levels

[tribal notch]

My favourite cleric spell is clam emotions

[woven flint]

Have no idea what I'm gonna replace my Cleric with if he dies 🤔
Probably a Druid

[jolly agate]

Fire spells are a classic

[tribal notch]

I tend to go down the sorlock build so yea

[limber trail]

A second monk has hit the campaign perhaps?

[craggy summit]

I should try a build like that one of these days 🤔

[silk hare]

the humble spirit guardians

[silk hare]

cleric V2

[woven flint]

Alas, no, I don't like playing the same classes as other people in campaigns lol

[tribal notch]

Honestly its hard to split spells at the start but once you get the hand of it its really powerful

[limber trail]

(oh yeah no neither it's just a funny idea)

[tribal notch]

Also a very peak spell

[woven flint]

Oh wait, yeah, no, duh
I already have a planned back up character for Waterdeep

That Bard guy

[jolly agate]

Don't go to Waterdeep

[woven flint]

We've been there, most of us live there

[limber trail]

I don't have anything remotely resembling a backup character. The best I can say is maybe I'd play fighter

[feral fulcrum]

I actually pulled off Cataract of Fire using the Macguffin and a whole deal of prep time. And in Hindsight, I know get why the Princess was basically "Please get the hell out of my Kingdom you just helped me get back."

[jolly agate]

Well i went and ended up BLOODY EATEN

[drifting zodiac]

Yea basically idk if I can commit also work is tiresome hopefully I join a one Shot just to try it for now I have to buy a mic

[woven flint]

Dex or Str fighter?

[limber trail]

"Most of us" the five (four?) party members very much have a shared home we all live in

[jolly agate]

I had never been eaten in any of my previous games.

[feral fulcrum]

I wouldn't want the crazy Wizard Fairy who just turned a Cities lake into a towering pillar of fire in my lands either.

[limber trail]

See I like dex fighters conceptually. I have more fun with them. Plus I still don't think the party needs strength next to toby.

It'd depend my idea though

[tribal notch]

One idea iv had for a while is a lv 10 sorlock 4 warlock (fathomless) 6 (fire dragonic) Sorcerer for the concept of flames in the ocean type thing

[craggy summit]

Okay that's actually pretty sick, I've always been a fan of the fire and ice or fire and water stuff 😅

[tribal notch]

The fathomless is one of my favourite warlock subclasses its in my top 3 amd draconic fire dragonic is a clear choice for the scorching ray hex combo

Plus the theme is sick

[humble cairn]

My favorite character was the youngest son of a Noble House in Waterdeep. I played a long campaign there and my DM let me use my family's name as a line of credit, it was really fun, actually.

[jolly agate]

Cool

Ma cow is from rashemen

[spring light]

what about pa cow?

[jolly agate]

Minotaur, still in Rashemen

[spring light]

i was making a joke about "ma" and "pa"

[summer sleet]

I have a crazy story from earlier today but it’s too long for chat 😭

[jolly agate]

Damn not i get it, mb mate

[craggy summit]

There's #tales-from-the-table where you can explain it in as much detail as you want!

[jolly agate]

That's why i got dms (if u wanna share it whit a random)

[spring light]

it wasn't a very good joke

[rugged hawk]

Neither was 4e's lore changes.

[summer sleet]

I’ll explain in DMs 😅

[summer sleet]

I’ll explain in DMs 😅

[tall forge]

Bro might be a bot….

[jolly agate]

ye im rather scared now

[tall forge]

Was nice knowing you

[jolly agate]

The acc is pretty new and they joined today to the server

[tall forge]

And they repeat the same lines in other chats

[rugged hawk]

I mean, nothing important lost if we just block them.

[jolly agate]

ima block them just in case

[normal junco]

hmm..... would a reverse false hydra force those under its influence to remember everything?

[valid geyser]

Yea got bot vibes pretty fast

[humble cairn]

The idea doesn't make a lot of sense, there's no clear "reverse" for that so it'd be whatever you make up.

[normal junco]

good point

[silk hare]

tbh as long as u dont click any links you are fine

[tall forge]

Make a real hydra, so it makes things people always remember being real

[crimson gulch]

so like, a true hydra, thats in the monster manual no problem

[tall forge]

Oh is it?

[silk hare]

no, bc those people do not foget everything

more so a if it eats someone the story of that person will be shared with everyone in the radius and theyll remember them as a dear friend or sth?

[crimson gulch]

yeah just a normal hydra

[hollow crow]

hi im new but i love D&D i usaly am a rought and i have some strange charicters i make

[tall forge]

Oh i meant more so a creature that creates false memories of things that “always existed”

[normal junco]

maybe it would cause everyone under its influence to remember everyone's memories. and instead it would feed on... hmm.... collective madness?

[tall forge]

“So, you all and tim walk across the bridge”

“Who the hell is tim?”

Tim, remember? From last week? I coulda sworn you guys met tim

[rugged hawk]

"Tim for initiative rolls."

[tall forge]

For bonus points, get a player to add the gaslighting

[normal junco]

imagine hiring a strange to sit in on the sessions as "Tim" but act as if they've always been there

[humble cairn]

I imagine trying to gaslight your players won't go over very well.

[tall forge]

Thats the entire point of a false hydra tbf

[rugged hawk]

Depends on how gullible your victims players are.

[limber trail]

It could vary group to group. But yeah it's at least an idea to put thought into before commiting

[normal junco]

well, have Tim bring snacks. and just say they've always been the one to bring those snacks. that's like, the main bonus of having Tim there each time.

[valid geyser]

It’s hard to do a false hydra now that they’re well known

[scenic turret]

Good morning everyone!!!!

[humble cairn]

Gaslighting their characters isn't quite the smae as gaslighting the players.

[limber trail]

Yeah I wouldn't even try

[tall forge]

Plenty of attempts at running the false hydra include gaslighting the players themselves as well

[fast latch]

I put a False Hydra in the backstory of a town, but it’s not alive anymore, it was already slain

[humble cairn]

It's a great red herring, though. Start messing with their memories but have it not be a False Hydra at all.

[normal junco]

have it be a mini false hydra that's only gone after livestock. "so you mean you run a dairy with only two cows, but your barn has room for thirty? don't you find that weird?"

[tall forge]

The main benefit of the false hydra being so well known is that it makes it more acceptable to gaslight your players

[valid geyser]

Might work. But relatively telling that it’s so well known you gotta subvert it to keep it fresh

[rugged hawk]

Best group to memory tinker with are the ones with no player notetakers. They either learn to document, or you get endless entertainment

[tall forge]

You can also use false hydra-tactics in other ways

[reef tundra]

Who mentioned that accursed creature

[tall forge]

Such as forcing players into a dream, a false reality when they sleep

[normal junco]

i think if i ever run a false hydra, that will actually be the quest. like, they'll go into that area fully knowing they need to get rid of the false hydra. its when they get into town that memory and whatnot becomes unreliable.

[tall forge]

Start being inconsistent with locations

[normal cedar]

Erm hello chat. Am kinda sorta arguably new to the DND community, I’ve only DM’ed and played DnD with some friends with a hard copy rule books before with poor rule enforcement and eventually tweaked our own rules - ok the point is I’m unfamiliar with how the general DND community works and you can assume I’m new 🤓

Am here to ask if I have poor time management and limited time and can only play over weekends what type of groups should I look for, and + if im technically new 😭👀

[reef tundra]

If I ever run a false hydra it’s not me I’ve been replaced by a doppelgänger

-# My apologies for the jokes I just really really hate the false hydra

[tall forge]

I had my players get trapped in “the past”, which was a dream made to keep them trapped

But they thought it was the starting town

I was very proud they realized that it was weird there was no church

[valid geyser]

Im not super into psychological horror nor do I think d&d is the best at supporting it, but then again I think that’s why the false hydra was so popular, it being such a big curveball and all

[normal cedar]

Or should I post this in newcomers 🤔💥

[reef tundra]

I think the method peachrug mentioned just now is a good way of messing with your players and confusing them and being psychological-horror adjacent

I think the false hydra should stay where it belongs - in my distant memories (ironically)

[tall forge]

Dnd in general isnt great at lots of horrors, there are better systems

[reef tundra]

Call of Cthulhu my bae

[tall forge]

It seems so fun

[reef tundra]

Omg the false hydra would be so much better in that, imo

[hot marlin]

Honestly, don't bother with the false hydra.

[valid geyser]

I agree, but I’d more apply that to someone wanting to run a full psych horror campaign rather than just a short couple session thing

[reef tundra]

Actually it would be so much better in a book and nowhere else

[hot marlin]

It's just not worth it. First off, it's been memed to death, everybody knows about it.

[tall forge]

I think its fun to run at least once

[fast latch]

Meenlocks would make great monsters for that

[reef tundra]

I love homebrew, I love the creativity it brings out in players… but holy hell I hate it

[valid geyser]

I kinda see it as a “you had to be there” type of thing

[hot marlin]

Secondly, the problem with the false hydra is that it's a petty trick that goes against the design philosophy of the game

It's just cheap.

[flint ledge]

False hydra seems like a one trick pony, once someone knows what it is it's not really gonna work

[fast latch]

Why is it a petty trick exactly?

[reef tundra]

I also don’t think it works the first time. The first time I encountered it, I didn’t know what the false hydra was, and it was still a horrible experience to me

[tall forge]

I ran one and it was pretty fun

But it did require me to alter what it was, a little so. Take that as you will

[hot marlin]

Where's the saving throw against the enchantment effect? Do immunities apply? Nope. You just forget stuff. It creates dissonance between the player and the rules of the game that the player normally can count on, and it creates dissonance between player and character

[normal junco]

plot twist: there's a killer in the village that is very careful and eliminating physical evidence that people existed, including using mind altering potions and spells. underground the killer's captured a series of gricks with masks fused to their heads, and tied them together. prepare to face the false false hydra.

[fast latch]

There’s no save?!

[tender fossil]

It's more of a plot device than a monster

[earnest jungle]

heya, new to the server, wanting help testing some homebrew monsters in combat, where would I go to find people who would like to just run a combat (for my actual campaign)

[hot marlin]

The False Hydra breaks the contract of the rules, the spirit of them.

[tender fossil]

They have a home brew section specifically for that. And they will be brutally honest and honestly brutal sometimes. But they will give you a decent breakdown

[hot marlin]

The world needs consistency, and the False Hydra simply does not fit in the contract of D&D.

[jolly agate]

I think it's possible to find a mountain shaped like a cow in Faerûn, right?

[echo meteor]

just cast "silence" you solved the problem

[tender fossil]

I don't know about a mountain shape like a cow but I know there is a rock shaped like a failed wizard somewhere

[hot marlin]

And while it may give you good sessions, the consistency is irrevocably harmed by the presence of the false hydra. It's not worth the cost of the good session it gave you

[tall forge]

I mean, that’s table dependent for sure i feel

[echo meteor]

consistency doesnt matter as long as people have fun

if you want consistency, then the intelligent characters with 20 intelligence should be able to roll intelligence to just "solve the puzzle"

[hot marlin]

Fun is... Honestly, I think it's a worthless word that we should stop using.

[tender fossil]

Having the DM pull a surprise on you to make for a great session.

[hot marlin]

Yes.

[tall forge]

Im having flashbacks

[hot marlin]

Yeah I already expressed that idea some time ago

[echo meteor]

but you know very well, that the "fun" is aimed at the players

[silk hare]

#homebrew

[humble cairn]

That's the Investigation Skill and yes.

[valid geyser]

I don't think players are gonna be permanently scarred and forever distrust their DM if they run false hydra once.

[tall forge]

Not what i mean but dw about it

My table gives me full trust to do whatever i want

[echo meteor]

players arent consistent machines

[hot marlin]

Fair. But it still may end up creating certain assumptions that will be harmful to the game in the long term

[mild lodge]

hi

[tall forge]

Ive withheld levels from specific players for story reasons, insta downed them, and plenty of other stuff that in a vaccuum arent considered “fun”

[tender fossil]

If you want a permanently scar and distrust your DM, run through Palace of the silver Princess. When that garden comes to life in 30 killer plants attack all at once you're going to be making fear saves just to eat a salad after that

[humble cairn]

I disagree, but I do think it's inherently subjective. Doesn't make it useless.

[echo meteor]

as long as players enjoy the game, who cares?
though, i enjoy games where combat is predictable and follows the the actual RAW as closely, or even RAI

[tall forge]

Players trust a dm who gives them a fun game

[valid geyser]

seems too hypothetical and subjective for me to agree with

[hot marlin]

The problem is that the community has conflated two definitions of the word so thoroughly that we're better off discarding the word altogether.

[humble cairn]

For many people inconsistency is extremely anti-fun.

[echo meteor]

but some crazy as groups just make up rules all the time, and that find that fun.. not my group but you do you

i also wouldnt enjoy skydiving

but someone ppl do

[valid geyser]

also i dont think this would convince anyone for anything, but it breaking conventions and expectations is the point. That's part of how horror operates, being unexpected. Yeah I think if you break that expectation a lot people will get paranoid but I think people will understand a false hydra encounter as a special circumstance

[humble cairn]

Yes, as long as everyone is on the same page in your group as explicitly and openly discussed, you're fine.

[tall forge]

Part of the benefit of it being so well known

[echo meteor]

doesnt need to be. people just quickly decide if they find the game fun, and if not they jsut naturally filter themselves out
and dont come back the next game session

[tall forge]

Once its revealed, its understood why it occurred- the rule breaking makes sense

[worn lagoon]

False hydra just doesn't sound particularly fun to me

[echo meteor]

you dont have to talk about every little thing

[humble cairn]

But it should be, because just expecting it to work itself out can hurt people.

[echo meteor]

idk, i see people as adults, that know what they do or dont like

[hot marlin]

Yeah. In practice, most times it just goes one of two ways. Either the player know about the false hydra, and that's done quickly. Or the players don't, and are confused for the whole session.

[humble cairn]

And people's safety is of higher priority than "spontaneous fun."

[tall forge]

I agree, we are adults

Adults can talk things out

[echo meteor]

if they see its not working, they'll more likely than not just leave the session or, bring it up and then leave the session

[hot marlin]

Confusion is a good thing, in moderation. Too much of it results in just not caring anymore

[echo meteor]

you'd think adults can talk things out 🤣

[humble cairn]

I have dealt with groups of people in both recreational and professional settings. Exlicit and open discussion abotu safety and boundaries is a much better way of doing things.

[tall forge]

We should at least try

Otherwise its not very collaborative at all

[echo meteor]

sure, in spaces where people might die... or actually be hurt

[tall forge]

Words and themes can infact hurt people

[humble cairn]

I have again dealt with people in many settings and in the realm of TTRPG people can actually get hurt.

[marble lion]

It depends on the table

[echo meteor]

Oh right, you might want one in IRL tables.. online tables dont really matter too much

[marble lion]

Plenty of ppl dont like doing the deep hearttoheart and vulnerability sharing, relying on trusting the table to be good with crossing that bridge when they get there

[echo meteor]

i've been playing mostly online.. i do plan on going irl, and yes its better to have that discussion there

[humble cairn]

Generally I feel like safety is important for both settings.

[marble lion]

This is not a good approach for everyone

[echo meteor]

i think online setting can be ALOT more loose xD

[tall forge]

Ok, as a dm it hurts for a player to drop my campaign

[marble lion]

But its the preferred approach for some

[tall forge]

I want communication, because i want people to have fun

[echo meteor]

for one, in an online setting, people cant exactly stand up and punch the other.. and no sane person is going to think the game you are playing is real life

[valid geyser]

I dont think one false hydra is gonna destroy a friendship unless the DM just sucked at running it
the worst case I'd realistically imagine is "I didn't like that session very much, it was confusing and not what a signed up for." which would be settled by a DM going "Alright, I figured it was worth trying a change of pace, so I won't do that again in this campaign unless you do want to try something more intrigue or horror based again"

[tall forge]

And the biggest thing, why would you rather risk drama and hurt feelings instead of just talking things out?

[hot marlin]

I played games featuring child abuse as a plot point, games featuring body horror, parasitation, monsters that were basically xenomorphs, graphic descriptions of the result of disease, and every single type of violence you can imagine... I have no triggers, I am alright with any subject so long as they're thoughtfully treated. Regardless, talking about expectations is important because not everyone is like me.

[echo meteor]

it doesnt really matter online :/

the cost isnt really that high

[tall forge]

Thats a very dangerous outlook

[marble lion]

Treating others well always matters

[humble cairn]

Yeah a lot of assumptions happen when people don't talk safety and boundaries. And sometimes those assumptions don't blow up in people's faces, it's something of a crapshoot. Sometimes it does blow up, but only for one person, the one person who gets hurt and no one realizes it, and they leave the group without telling anyone.

So again, it's just better practices to actually talk about boundaries and safety.

[echo meteor]

online isnt real life tbh :/ if you dont like someone u can just block them and move on

[humble cairn]

Awful take

[marble lion]

Nuance

[echo meteor]

if you dont like D&D group online, just leave and join a different group

[tall forge]

A person isnt suddenly not real because you are only on a discord call with them

[mild lodge]

hi what do you think the most interesting monster/enemy is in dnd now?

[hot marlin]

This is such a violently antisocial take.

[echo meteor]

Sure it is.. you dont need to pay attention to people online that you dont care about :/

[marble lion]

1 ensure you do everything you can do not risk doing something hurtful
2 it doesnt matter if you hurt others, dont care

3 I feel like both of these are extremes, and there are many options inbetween

[echo meteor]

you kind of have to care about them irl..

[humble cairn]

Is this what people think nowadays?

[tall forge]

I care about plenty of people online

[craggy summit]

It's pretty subjective. But I like death slaads, mimics and beholders

[tall forge]

No, this is pretty insane imo

[echo meteor]

yes, in that case, you care about what they think...

[rugged hawk]

I mean, if someone can't contact me via Discord, they might as well no longer exist in a meaningful way. I don't see how that perspective is antisocial.

[tall forge]

No, i care because i have empathy for others

[stoic haven]

Online play is just as important to go over safety and boundaries as irl play

[echo meteor]

you CHOOSE who you have empathy for and who you think are crazy person online

[humble cairn]

It doesn't mean they are not people. You can cut someone off for your own sake whle still acknowledging their humanity.

[tall forge]

Not how psychology works

[hot marlin]

You're confusing empathy and sympathy.

[marble lion]

That outlook isnt
But the harm done before the block still happened

[echo meteor]

What safety? they can't really do much, you can simply kick/block them

they dont really matter much to you

[marble lion]

What they did still can

[tall forge]

They literally can still do plenty

[echo meteor]

if i see some crazy online, i just block them and move on... slightly annoyed.. but it doenst affect me
hows that bad?

[tall forge]

That is insanely ignorant of the dangers of the internet?

[humble cairn]

I think perhaps you might need some help. I am not saying this as an attack, I'm genuinely concerned.

[marble lion]

That is also true. There are things blocking doesnt fix, though USUALLY it ends there
But by then the mental damage was done

[hot marlin]

It's not about the person itself. It's normal to dislike someone, it's normal to be completely uninterested in a given person. But basic concern is about the greater social climate you create around you. It's about the society.

[echo meteor]

wait, do you seriously not just block someone you dont like online and just move on?

they are not ENTITLED to your attention

[humble cairn]

That's not the concerning thing. The concerning thing is saying "they are not real people."

[hot marlin]

I don't block, no. Too much effort. I just ignore the person

[marble lion]

Brains arent that easy

[stoic haven]

This is empathy vs sympathy, with sympathy being the more active and conscious one

[tall forge]

Honestly i dont even know what to say

[silk hare]

if that approach worked, cyberbullying wouldnt be a thing e.g.

[echo meteor]

They may be, but idc about them?

[echo meteor]

i've never been cyber bullied :/

bullied IRL

[silk hare]

never said your were

[humble cairn]

That's a nice privilege to have. Be thankful.

[echo meteor]

no? i just dont give people online power over me, i just block them and move on

[hot marlin]

Why bother even blocking them if you don't care?

[humble cairn]

How is that related to what I said?

[stoic haven]

Just walking off without talking about stuff is also a problem in itself, even the tables I left and despised playing with, I told them my decision and the basis behind it

[echo meteor]

cause i dont want to see them spam my chat

[tall forge]

So… it does effect you

[hot marlin]

Oh yeah, if they're spamming, sure.

[echo meteor]

its annoying

[hot marlin]

Just for the visual disconfort

[echo meteor]

sure? so i just block them

[radiant night]

Howdy

[echo meteor]

i dont see why you have to give crazy peopel online your time

[tall forge]

Thats not the point

[echo meteor]

why do you think they are entitled to your time and even thought

[drifting zodiac]

Hi

[normal junco]

whats everyone think about the upcoming ravenloft curse of strahd thing? sequel? expansion? remake?

[tall forge]

The point is it does damage to you

[humble cairn]

No one is saying you have to give people your time. We are saying you have to still regard them as people because to do otherwise is .. bad.

[buoyant oar]

It is not a remake it's a setting book

[echo meteor]

more like annoyance as i put them in my block list

[silk hare]

has no one here learned their lesson? no point in arguing really

[normal junco]

wasn't van richten a setting book?

[rugged hawk]

Okay, see, I hear what you're saying, but I'm not a fan of humanity to begin with. Too much human-related trauma. The only reason I stick around this mudball planet is for books, video games, manga, anime, and D&D. Frankly, I've met a great many animals far more socially evolved than humans. Sure, there's good folks around, but it's one of those 'bad apples ruined the bunch' situations. Unfortunately, human nature what it is, the problem's unsolvable save by elimination of the species.

[echo meteor]

sure, an annoying person... that i would prefer not to interact with further

[stoic haven]

1. They aren't always crazy
2. If you don't ever discuss or associate with them, then maybe, but if you are actually talking to them or at a dnd table with them, then it becomes a different matter usually

[hot marlin]

Regardless, I called your take antisocial because it has a detrimental effect on the society. A group of people is a society, and whether or not you care or not about a given person, you need the social net to be healthy. And your attitude is not healthy to the social net. It is individualistic to the point that it justifies damaging not just the person themselves, but the entire social circle.

[silk hare]

hm tell me more, missed that one it seems

[buoyant oar]

Yes. Its another setting book

[tall forge]

Yeah this mindset is what causes the issues your having with humanity

[normal junco]

like, a setting book specificially about barovia?

[humble cairn]

Spoken as a true student of history.

[buoyant oar]

No Ravenloft in general

[tender fossil]

It remains to be seen anything about it, we don't know if it's an update or new material

[echo meteor]

I am not obligated to spend time with them if i don't nor want to

[hot marlin]

I aim to be a scholar and a gentleman.

[buoyant oar]

Strahd is just on the cover. New dark lords will be in it and it will have stats for them.

[normal junco]

ah. i wonder how much overlap there's going to be with van richten's

[radiant night]

So you like the crazies?

[echo meteor]

Some crazies are funny

[tall forge]

You arent but you should obligated to give everyone basic human respect.

Communicating with others because you have problems with a campaign is part of that

[stoic haven]

Ok, then you don't have to, but still treat them with courtesy and respect as a human, they still matter, and so do you

[rugged hawk]

No, what people with influence and power have done to the world is the source of my ire. Problem is, as long as there's humans, human nature being what it is, there will always be more of those kinds of people popping up.

[burnt valley]

The game doesn't even support horror aspects

[echo meteor]

Sure? but irl isnt online?

[buoyant oar]

The Curse of Strahd is a remake of the original I-6 Ravenloft module.

That module got a sequel in I-10 Ravenloft II: The House on Gryphon Hill.

[tall forge]

Theyre still real people.

[radiant night]

*most matter

[hot marlin]

Fun fact: Bad apples do spoil the bunch. When you're picking apples, if you put a single rotten apple in your bag, by the time you're done, the rot and disease will have spread throughout your bag, making it rotten. You'll have to throw away all the apples you picked. People misuse the expression to express the complete opposite of what it is

[humble cairn]

People online are still real people. Your online life is still real life.

[rugged hawk]

I mean, given the AI and bot surges, this is arguable 👀

[echo meteor]

Basic Human Respect is respecting eachothers boundaries. Not going walking up and harming/killing them.
None of that involves needing to "talk it out with the person"

[burnt valley]

We have a misanthrope in chat?

[echo meteor]

your simply setting your boundaries at this point

[rugged hawk]

An interesting take on the thought.

[echo meteor]

just dont interact peopel you dont like online

[rugged hawk]

I mean, if we did that, then we'd have to rename Discord

[stoic haven]

We could say overpragmatism leads to antisocial behaviors in favoring the direct solution to oneself, but at the detriment of not just 1, but multiple others that destabilizes the social structure of human beings. Correct me if I am taking that in the wrong way

[buoyant oar]

Setting Boundaries is good. However if you never challenge yourself you will never grow as a person.

[radiant night]

I don't, and people take offense to that

[echo meteor]

IDC if its online.
IRL its a different matter

[radiant night]

I don't irl either

[tall forge]

If you’ve suddenly left my campaign without a word, you dont respect me. You have actively chosen to believe that the tables time and effort in playing with you isnt worth an explanation

[stoic haven]

Irl actually can mean online, they are still a real life person, in this world, hence irl

[echo meteor]

anyone can leave at any time, you are free to feel slighted

[tall forge]

And sure there are exceptions to this

[radiant night]

That's how I feel about ghosting me tbh

[hot marlin]

Fun fact: In the Enlightnement period, a misanthrope was widely understood to be a person who had too much principles, and cut ties with people around them due to failing to live up to those principles. It was, therefore, considered to be an intolerance of human failings, love too strong, untempered by forgiveness, and that couldn't tolerate the little hypocrisies necessary for society to function

[delicate owl]

That is a take that you definitely made lol. After saying that you only like things that.. Humans have made. And that no other animal could ever make in the next few thousand years.

Just because you found some people that dont interact with others in the way you think they should, or are not great at being social, doesn't mean you should dismiss a whole species when you have most likely met far less than .00001% of people on this world. Your sample size is tiny, and just insulting as well as biased apparently.

Come back when you increase it to at least .000015%

[echo meteor]

no one is obligated to stay and play in your campaign or even give u a warnign b4 leaving

[hot marlin]

This is an excellent way of putting it. Perhaps better than mine

[tall forge]

And the fact you do not care about how your actions have effects on others shows you dont respect them.

[radiant night]

I dehumanize the same people IRL and online (mostly chomos)

[buoyant oar]

No one is never owed an explanation on stuff like this. However part of the social contract of being a person if you never provide one you are marking yourself as someone to exclude.

[delicate owl]

Okay well

[echo meteor]

What do you mean? Theres no actual obligation with random people you've just met online

[humble cairn]

That's interesting. "Little hypocrisies necessary for society to function" is a killer line. The way I put it, everyone has their bullshit, even yourself. The greatest virtue when it comes to dealing with people is Patience, most especially with yourself.

[buoyant oar]

Like the friend that always turns down invites. Eventually they will just stop getting invited.

[normal junco]

did they update sidekicks to 5.5e rules yet?

[rugged hawk]

I'm aware of the flaws in the perspective. That doesn't make me any less traumatized by the few. That said, I'm on meds nowadays, with a counselor. It's helping.

[stoic haven]

Online is still real life if you're taking other people's emotions into play

[hot marlin]

Obligation? Eh. Debatable. But there is a social contract. All communities have their social contracts.

[tall forge]

There is when youve invested any sort of resource such as time

[hot marlin]

Do you have an obligation to follow it? No, of course not. But the community requires it.

[delicate owl]

I think this has entered non-dnd discussion and should go to #non-dnd-topics at this point, dont ya'll agree? Not trying to mini-mod but I didnt come to #dnd-discussion to discuss social philosophy/expectations...

[tall forge]

You can ignore that obligation, but it leads to people, like here and right now, calling you rude and antisocial

[buoyant oar]

If you respect no strangers.

You cannot expect strangers to respect you.

[stoic haven]

I think there is a disconnect between what you are saying right now and what we are trying to say. You don't have to give them a heads up, but you still should see them as a person, as a human, nonetheless

[hot marlin]

And whoever breaks the social contract in their favour implicitely consents to the social contract being broken in their disfavour

[echo meteor]

So, if i was in your campaign, and i feel like I dont like the way you DM, i feel like your campaign wasnt right for me.. and i choose to not show up, and you block me... wheres the harm?

i find that its not right for me, i just dont show up...

[minor cargo]

It feels bad. :(

[tall forge]

Because i could have spent an entire week trying to make a good session for you.

[echo meteor]

am i obligated to give you a notice?

[tall forge]

I believe its simply an easy kindness to do so.

[burnt valley]

Thats kinda deep

[humble cairn]

Basically at least something, otherwise it's rude.

[tall forge]

And the fact you think that such a simple action is beneath you, makes me think less of you as a person

[hot marlin]

I wouldn't block you, who would block you for that? First, they'd ask if you're okay and alive and awake. If you just don't answer, they might imagine you're dead

[echo meteor]

it seemed like it because he said he was upset.. he may not, but i woudlnt care after. in my mind, i just left that "online group"

[worn lagoon]

What the hell did the convo turn into

[echo meteor]

online stuff is online, its not irl

[hot marlin]

But if you don't like a campaign, can't you just say "this campaign isn't for me, have a good time, I'm going"?

[tall forge]

Yes, and that means you sont respect those people.

[hot marlin]

What does it cost you to show basic regard for other people?

[echo meteor]

are you obligated to?

[humble cairn]

Yeah, as a DM I invest time an effort into a player and their character, if they ghost me I'm going to try and find out why because it's worth it to me to help them, maybe they are having difficulties. If I find out they just .. decided to ghost me on a whim I'm going to be hurt.

[tall forge]

Why do you need to be forced to be kind

[echo meteor]

maybe, but you dont HAVE to

[turbid vessel]

In a social context, nobody is obligated to do anything. That doesn't mean it's not worthwhile to be a well adjusted and empathetic person.

[buoyant oar]

Just because you don't have to does not mean it is better to do it.

I am not obligated to tell my mom happy birthday today. But I am not a terrible person so I am gonna.

[humble cairn]

There is an obligation, but the cost of not meeting it is being considered rude. I guess you have just been paying that cost without knowing it.

[minor cargo]

I don’t think people are trying to convince you that you have to do anything. I think people are just suggesting your behaviour might be having an impact on others you maybe don’t fully see?

[hot marlin]

No, there is nobody with a gun to your temple who will shoot you if you do not. But if that is what you need to behave with regard for others, this is concerning.

[stoic haven]

Now, it goes both ways, even if someone doesnt think highly of other people, I will still try to see highly of them

[woven flint]

This feels like Bait or
r/im14andthisisdeep vibes to me, I'm ngl

[echo meteor]

you arent obligated, but if you dont do it, there could be actual consequences, like your mom would dislike you... and some people don't like their mom disliking them, so they do it.. thats the CONSEQUENCE

[tall forge]

Its probably both

[turbid vessel]

As if the two are different in any way

[woven flint]

Anyway! D&D, huh?

[stoic haven]

Thank you Tokii

[echo meteor]

a random "online group", it doesnt really matter

[woven flint]

I can't STAND when people say Druid is bad!

[turbid vessel]

Here's a question: what's the nicest thing someone else at a DND table did for you at a table?

[delicate owl]

Pickle, just understand that if you are gonna act like an antisocial being, you're gonna be treated like one.

Anywhooo... Eve of ruin tonight! 😊

[tall forge]

People say that?

[hot marlin]

There is a theater play exactly about that. Called "The Misanthrope". He spends the play raging about the hypocrisies that ravage aristocratic society. It stems from too much love for principles, for the idea of humanity above the reality of human beings, if that makes sense. A sympathetic character, certainly, but who needs to chill.

[woven flint]

Yeah! For whatever reason

[delicate owl]

Druid is boring, and some features are bad. But otherwise id play one over a Paladin or Ranger.

[echo meteor]

yeah, and i choose who i socialize with and who i dont.. whose opinion i care about and whose opinion i dont care about

[tall forge]

I can see druid having issues, but animal shapeshifting is cool

[humble cairn]

TFW you dipped out of Ranger because you weren't super interested in any of their 5th level spells and then they gave Ranger a cool 5th level spell in Heroes of Faerun.

[stoic haven]

Wait wut, who is even saying this?

[silk hare]

had an idea about a "homebrew" (yes ik wrong channel but just want to discuss the general idea and thoughts) about a miniboss thats sort of anchored in a PC (as far as classes, spells and abilities go)

ofc with other stuff such as lair actions, maybe even legendary actions

essentially a paladin + warlock build, mounted on a horse utilizing what is similar to the PAM feat, but also in reverse

[echo meteor]

if i DO care about your games and WANT to interact with you again later.. definitely... if i dont care, it doenst matter

[empty thicket]

its another type of caster, could even be said he is an hybrid for the animal shape shifting but that is a whole different talk

[silk hare]

so he uses his legendary actions to drive by PCs using his legendary actions that have a recharge

[tender fossil]

The trick to increasing the power level of the druid is just playing Australian one

[silk hare]

who is saying that?

[tall forge]

Lmao

[turbid vessel]

I'm in a party with a couple artists and they ALWAYS volunteer to draw character lineups and important scenery for whoever DMs, and they swear it's no trouble but man I couldn't be more grateful to be in a group that dedicates so much energy bringing life to the game!

[woven flint]

I've heard many a people who say they think DRUID is the weakest caster 😔

[echo meteor]

I always thought artificer was weak

[woven flint]

I disagree, Druids are badass, I felt pretty strong during the year and a half I played one lol

[stoic haven]

Hexblade should've gotten Steel Wind Strike

[echo meteor]

half caster, but they dont exactly have the dpr of a martial

[tall forge]

Ok i mean….

[hot marlin]

Eh... It might be, but that doesn't say much. Especially when the most interesting part of their kit is from the stuff outside of spellcasting

[silk hare]

I mean that might be true, but they are still a caster

[delicate owl]

I think druid should have gotten that wild shape into higher level slots way earlier, and a better secondary option than find familiar.

Like.. It really feels like cleric got the better end of the stick, since they share a lot of similar features, druid is just lacking in potency but has more freedom. But freedom only takes you so far imo.

[tall forge]

Full caster it is the weakest, but they get other cool stuff to suppliment them

[woven flint]

I think Early level bard (before 10) is the weakest caster (but that's just an opinion I have)

[minor cargo]

I do this all the time haha. They aren’t real classes but they can do things that make you think about them. Smite is a great example. The NPC isn’t a Paladin ™ , but when they smite, the players know what I’m trying to signal to them. And they start making assumptions.

[stoic haven]

Druid having lots of concentration spells as their best spells does drag down a little, but still, they are great

[hot marlin]

Idea for a party: A sword college bard, a hexblade warlock, a bladesinger wizard, a kensei monk, a battle master fighter. They all use swords and they constantly argue over which of them has the superior technique and training.

[tall forge]

Depends what youre going for i feel

[empty thicket]

being able to replicate magic items is something dangerous to have and can work in many positions
Either frontline with a subclass forcing enemies to attack them or a range attacker with another subclass, etc. etc.

[stoic haven]

Omg, I love that, and want to see it now

[royal oyster]

heey i am here

[woven flint]

Druids biggest problem is a majority of its spells are concentration

[echo meteor]

but they dont exactly deal damage, and a spell can replicate magic item effects they are half caster, so they dont even get spells like a full caswter

[hot marlin]

Oh and a swashbuckler rogue.

[tall forge]

I think bards are a very powerful spellcaster, as a support

[hollow stone]

weakest in HP, yea, but there are a lot of 3rd level spells that are basically "alr i'm bored, i cast Sphere of Annihilation."

[royal oyster]

i prefer sorcerers

[empty thicket]

Oh i mean their role in a team. They are in fact Halfcasters yeah.
But their purpose//role change a lot depending of the subclass

[stray sage]

why do oozes have disadvantage on saves against sunburst?

[woven flint]

Which sucks because I love BOTH classes, but I'd prefer to play Cleric as it just plays cleaner imo

[empty thicket]

im surprised Bards dont have Haste in their list of spells

[echo meteor]

Half-Casters that dont exactly deal damage feels a bit weak

[hot marlin]

To add one last point to the earlier conversation: If someone violates the rules that make cooperation possible to benefit themselves, they implicitly accept a world where others may also violate those rules, which could eventually harm them. Basic regard for others exists not for others. It exists because you communicate that you want a world in which people respect basic regards for others, including you.

[echo meteor]

and fullcasters can provide buffs ANYWAYS to the party

[woven flint]

Druid very much still feels like it's got some clunkiness

[stoic haven]

Tbh, I think early game Warlocks are the worst full casters, idk much about them above level 15

[delicate owl]

This exactly. Druid is very much so "it could be good, but often isnt as efficient or potent" whereas Cleric never really feels bad.

[feral fulcrum]

Warlock casts one spell, begs for a short rest immediately, rinse, repeat.

[burnt valley]

Druid is Top 3 what are they thinking

[empty thicket]

Not all is damage fortunately, the artificer can give lil buffs with the infussions to the whole party.
Either a +1 weapon making the martials feel better
More AC to the armors making them tank more
and many more examples of items//utility in general

Repeat shot in a crossbow feel giga nice

[royal oyster]

what are you guys talking about

[echo meteor]

thats my poitn though, a full caster can make martials feel better with just "spells"... like bless, enlarge, magic weapon,, etc

[empty thicket]

classes, whats up buddy?

[royal oyster]

i wanna be part of a conversation😭

[woven flint]

Warlock is pretty strong, honestly
It's versatile
Melee, Cantrips, Defense, Offense
I think it's well rounded and can be strong, but it's not high on my personal list

[empty thicket]

yeah, but arti still get some support spells + Infussions are passive buffs

[delicate owl]

I will always say Sorc is best, but Im just a tiny bit biased.

[echo meteor]

like they do.. but do they support better than a full wizard or a full cleric?

[royal oyster]

YES

[echo meteor]

do they deal MORE damage than another half casters like eldritch knight, arcane trickster, ranger? or just straight up martial?

[empty thicket]

A wizard can give +1 damage, AC, better saves whitout giving some concentration?
But lets do this, compare it with another half casters. Because comparing the other line of classes is unfair.

[burnt valley]

2024 Tier List rn:
Wizard
Warlock or Druid
Druid or Warlock
Sorcerer
Cleric
Bard
Mystic (Up to Lvl 10)

Artificer
Paladin
Ranger

Martials

[empty thicket]

And AGAIN, not all is damage.

[royal oyster]

like dude i get it lower levels are bad but a level 5 sorcerer is absolutely broken

[echo meteor]

a wizard can "SUPPORT" the party far better than an artificer if they get the right spells

and other half casters like eldritch knight deals far better damage than an artificer

[burnt valley]

Hyperfixating on damage is a massive self report, its a typical dementor brained take, i agree

[woven flint]

Artificer is a Jack-Of-All-Trades type of class
It can do a bit of everything but it's not the best at anything (besides crafting)
But that doesn't mean they're weak.
They get more options than most

[empty thicket]

A wizard can make an alchemy jug for constant utility ingredients? No.

[royal oyster]

yes there are so many other factors

[echo meteor]

but wizard has like 2x more spell slots.. so less options

[woven flint]

The strength in Artificer is that it can easily find a place in ANY role in a party

[echo meteor]

does it deal more damage then an eldritch knight fighter? :/

[woven flint]

Again, that doesn't matter

[empty thicket]

But then you are comparing another kind of things. Have a ground where we can start measuring.
An artificer give passive utility while wizard need to use use spells

[royal oyster]

dude its not all about damage

[empty thicket]

It need to deal damage?

[burnt valley]

Why invest into them when its better to use control spells instead

[echo meteor]

its not, it depends on the situation

[royal oyster]

fighters deal good damage because their only job is dealing damage

[echo meteor]

wizard just has more diverse spells

[drifting zodiac]

Hear me out
Good ol' guns in DnD

[empty thicket]

Yeah and artificer can make magic items for passive buffs to the party, and?

[woven flint]

Bards don't have a surplus of Damage at their finger tips for the most part and they're still strong options

[burnt valley]

Martials* its all they could do

[empty thicket]

What is the point even?

[humble cairn]

Present by default in the latest rules.

[woven flint]

Already been done lol
Ad-infinum as a matter of fact

[drifting zodiac]

Wait wtf??!

I hate guns 😭

[hybrid girder]

Was there ever a Martial Support class in DND? I know of homebrew ones but not a official one

[burnt valley]

They already are a thing, best weapons in the game btw

[woven flint]

Guns are allowed in D&D at dms discretion, but they're part of 2024s core rules now

[drifting zodiac]

Like the pepperbox?

[burnt valley]

Eldritch Knight

[burnt valley]

Wdym

[royal oyster]

eldritch knight isnt a support class

[woven flint]

Banneret, Battlemaster..
Most of the Fighter subclasses are pretty good at supporting

[feral fulcrum]

the Giff would like a word with you.

[empty thicket]

Sublclasses of some,
Figther had one that using his second wind could give someone else part of the heal or could make an ally do attacks to some units.

[drifting zodiac]

What is the Giff

[jolly agate]

i wonder, how can a Demon get more power?

[royal oyster]

oh ye good point

[feral fulcrum]

Space Hippos with GUNS and CANNONS, Spelljamer species.

[jolly agate]

eating people or something like that?

[drifting zodiac]

It's a fun in the TV show Legend of Vox Machina on prime (first campaign of CR)

[burnt valley]

Oh i dont watch CR

[empty thicket]

More souls, obtain items that upgrade his power, stole some from lower deities, more followers doing sacrifices, depend of the system

[drifting zodiac]

Wait am I in the wrong server

[woven flint]

... No?

[hybrid girder]

Nah DND is just super versatile

[tender fossil]

If you want guns go look at cimarron in Red steel. They have fantasy Texans

[jolly agate]

Alr. I'm going to try to absorb souls this session

[halcyon forum]

guns are actually pretty common in dnd lore

[empty thicket]

or drink blood too

Depend of the setting tho, more or less

[halcyon forum]

most settings have them

[hybrid girder]

You can go from Horrific Vampires to Autognomes and Space hippos

[royal oyster]

man dnd is such a versatile game

[halcyon forum]

vampires with guns too

[feral fulcrum]

I'd advise you to talk with your DM about how to acrue power as a Demon, as what we say here, matters not to your table.

[drifting zodiac]

I want space Liches

[burnt valley]

It doesn't, almost all solutions have spells involved

[woven flint]

That's just Hellsing at this point lol

[tender fossil]

Spell jammer has them. And they are absolutely terrifying

[feral fulcrum]

There's one in Spelljamer's book

[woven flint]

"Witches love guns!"

[hybrid girder]

Aren't mindflayers actually aliens

[drifting zodiac]

wait can you be a Cultivator in DnD 💀

[hybrid girder]

What that

[feral fulcrum]

What do you think a Monk is?

[royal oyster]

are they

[woven flint]

Yes, Mindflayers are aliens

[empty thicket]

Using a gun with so strong recoil that for commoners or people that dont fit the STR requirement would receive X amount of damage.
But for the vampire dont matter because he could regenerate

[torpid dust]

I just got an idea for a homebrew spell

[royal oyster]

oh

[drifting zodiac]

Monks are just Martial Artists but cultivators well I think they break the power scales

[halcyon forum]

Alien is a not a useful term in a world with dozens of species, planes of existence and lot of overlap

[royal oyster]

i just saw that nice

[torpid dust]

Dice throw: deal 1d4+1d6+1d8+1d10+1d12+1d20 bludgeoning damage at range

[jolly agate]

He told me that I'm basically a lesser demon in almost every way, so ig i could try to absorb souls and stuff

[woven flint]

Aberrations are creatures that "Aren't natural to this world" (for the most part)
So, I classify them as Aliens and Otherworldly beings

[drifting zodiac]

Monks but every class idk how to explain it's like being a wizard nope no explanation

[feral fulcrum]

Cultivators are just Nonsense Martial Artists with no concept of Ceiling. :V If you want that, Play Exalted instead.

[jolly agate]

I mean i do have some cool new powers and stuff so

[tall forge]

Alien is also a descriptor for us, outside the game

[scarlet zephyr]

Define "world".

[hot marlin]

It's a reference to the Xianxia genre, a genre of fantasy originating from China. Basically Wuxia evolved. Where Wuxia protagonists meditate and train until they can cut raindrops with their sword as they fall, Xianxia protagonists "cultivate" their cores of energy until they can cut through dimensions with their swords.

[halcyon forum]

like, one can argue that most of the player species in the PHB are technically Aliens

[drifting zodiac]

Nah they can start somewhere it's like Qi Refining it's level 1 and level 20 can be Soul Transformation

[feral fulcrum]

You should still talk with them about gaining power, because you could eat a bajillion Super Ultra Mega Giga Demons, and it won't mean squat if the DM says it does nothing. :V

[remote wadi]

Question

What do you think/hope WOTC will add in 6e?

[hot marlin]

Monks do take a few things from the Xianxia genre. Tongue of the Sun and Moon, Empty Body, Timeless Body... All are abilities that are the basic of what is expected of a cultivator.

[jolly agate]

Ye ima ask in todays session

[hybrid girder]

A Bravery system (Reskinned Sanity system)

[feral fulcrum]

Hopefully more complexity and crunch. :V

5E is Wide but Shallow.

[tall forge]

I would think ki also is apart of that

[drifting zodiac]

Do they have the ability to ride clouds and summon rain, and say you Courting Death

[drifting zodiac]

Ki , QI same same

[hot marlin]

Yes.

[drifting zodiac]

I decided

[hot marlin]

Ki is also a part of Wuxia. Which leads me to my next point: Monks belong more to the Wuxia genre than the Xianxia genre.

[remote wadi]

I think that mental trauma would be easy to add for getting revived, be it from death or resurrection

[echo meteor]

is an artificer "official"?

[hot marlin]

Which artificer?

[tall forge]

Didnt know there was 2 different things

[echo meteor]

just the class

[hybrid girder]

Yeah

[tall forge]

Makes sense, but still

[drifting zodiac]

Yep martial artist are more of Wuxia , in Xianxia there is cultivators , both can be used interchangeably cus it might be both but it depends on who it focuses on

[uncut zenith]

D&D's Artificer class is official, but it's not "core"

[echo meteor]

well i guess they are still better than a rogue/ranger

[woven flint]

I'm not going to argue semantics.

"Aberrant (adjective) refers to something deviating from the normal, usual, or expected standard; it describes behavior, types, or structures that are abnormal, atypical, or, in formal contexts, unacceptable. It often describes socially unacceptable behavior or, in biology, structures that differ from the typical form."

[remote wadi]

I also agree on this. 5e did bring in a lot of people into DnD, so adding deeper complexity and content would be plausible

[drifting zodiac]

What about the DAO

[feral fulcrum]

Personally I don't think such systems are needed, nor wanted in a game that's not actively geared towards Horror.

[echo meteor]

im reading that AL doenst support it

[empty thicket]

yep, still cant find it in "Dnd Beyond"

[drifting zodiac]

Monks can't use weapons right??

[uncut zenith]

Because it's not core

[tall forge]

They can

[feral fulcrum]

Uh, no, they can very much use weapons just fine.

[echo meteor]

do people even play AL alot?

[empty thicket]

they can some specific.
But most of time they shouldnt
Think of monk like the opposite of fighter in concept

[uncut zenith]

It's available for purchase in either Eberron books or Tasha's Cauldron of Everything

[remote wadi]

They can, it just has to be certain ones

[hot marlin]

Wuxia protagonists use their qi for martial art. They are traditionally wandering heroes, travelling around the countryside, perfecting their techniques, until a war starts and former friends end up on opposite side. Their passions and their duty in conflict. Xianxia protagonists are settled down, demigods, sages at the top of the mountain, who spend thousands of years cultivating and observing the ways of heaven.

[drifting zodiac]

Omg I will cultivate the Saber Dao

[hybrid girder]

True just think it would be neat as like an optional thing

[woven flint]

Aberrations aren't abnormal to their own world.
But typically they are Abnormal enough to be considered Aberrations in other worlds.

[drifting zodiac]

Spear, Saber, and Sword
That is what I want

[hot marlin]

It is worth noting that, in their youth, the Xianxia protagonist may have been living more like a Wuxia protagonist

[cedar isle]

Hi im new to d&d
Got d&d beyond and want to form a party anyone willing to show me the ropes?

[uncut zenith]

Yes. We have AL channels in this very server that prove a lot of people are still very interested in organized play.

[empty thicket]

While fighter attack many times, stand his ground and can use any kind of martial equipment
Monk dont need any equipment in general, can disengage and it attack many times with his hands

[hybrid girder]

https://discord.com/channels/516367331358801950/1070720656917938227

[tall forge]

Gotcha, dragon ball is wuxia, sun wukong is xianxia

[normal junco]

i remember way back in the very early days way before 2024 that WotC wanted to bring Artificer into the core book for the anniversary, along with a whole lot of other stuff from the supplements. that all went absolutely nowhere.

[feral fulcrum]

Yes.

[hot marlin]

Now to put it in D&D terms: A level 20 monk is at the top of the usual power scale of the Wuxia genre. But to be a below average Xianxia protagonist, they would need to be a level 20 monk and a level 20 wizard.

[echo meteor]

wish they put it in the 2024 handbook

[feral fulcrum]

And miss the chance to sell it to you a second time with slight changes?

[drifting zodiac]

Yes plenty of MCs start off as Wuxia till they start their path to immortality ( Regression of a Cultivator or whatever is such a good novel about this)

[feral fulcrum]

Mind you VERY MUCH NEEDED changes, but still slight.

[burnt valley]

Well said

[feral fulcrum]

I don't know What they were smoking when they limited selections to a specifc book, and way later, a tiny bit of another book.

[drifting zodiac]

The top of Xianxia protagonist touches on Destiny, Multiverse, Death, Creation and Infinity

[reef tundra]

The artificer being tied to a whole other setting and being in a different book is the only thing that makes me give it leniency

[echo meteor]

did they change it? they have artificer 2024?

[burnt valley]

Xianxia level subclass for Monks when

[feral fulcrum]

I don't know who was in charge of that decision, but god I hope they're not at the company anymore because it was so blatantly, obviously, a bad idea.

[drifting zodiac]

I like you friend

[humble cairn]

They very much can, check out the free online rules: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/character-classes#Monk

[burnt valley]

They are like at the very top of powerscaling

[feral fulcrum]

They do indeed have Articifer 2024

[drifting zodiac]

Monks are more like a subclass to cultivators

[remote wadi]

I personally hope they add both new and unofficial classes

[normal junco]

the artificer was supposed to be in the Ravnica book. they have an entire guild in there revolving around artificer stuff.

[uncut zenith]

Artificer 2024 was released in Eberron: Forge of the Artificer

[drifting zodiac]

Also there is a novel who mixes both western and eastern power systems ideas, Warlock in a Wizard World

[remote wadi]

Pugilist and Gunslinger are both pretty fun. A shame that they're homebew

[burnt valley]

Oh why? Aren't sects basically just different monk teachings?

[drifting zodiac]

Lord of Mysteries

[flint ledge]

Were they needed? I didn't hear much good from it.

[stoic haven]

Its decently good, but tier 1 I think is its weakest point

[burnt valley]

Tbh, i think Cultivator should be Monk's base class

[uncut zenith]

The UA for Reanimator was released around when WOTC had to delay the newest Eberron book, so they conceivably already knew how they were publishing Artificer before the Renimator UA was revealed.

[drifting zodiac]

Nope being a Daoist and Monk and a Martial Artists are different something about 100 schools of thoughts

[uncut zenith]

Artificer was never meant to be in Ravnica, the Eberron book was just delayed.

[burnt valley]

Ohhh fair enough

[cedar isle]

Thank you

[feral fulcrum]

Them fixing the absolute dumpster fire of "You can only pick these items from This Specific Book" For Infuse Magic Item to "Draw on any book, but only Common Magic Items until X Level." was VASTLY needed.

[drifting zodiac]

Cultivators follow the Dao the Path against Heavens

[hybrid girder]

I get why people often associate monks with eastern fighting styles (Well, just Kung Fu) BUT it would be cool to see a boxing monk or even a made up fighting style

[feral fulcrum]

I cannot tell you how mindnumbingly stupid Infuse Magic Item was in 2014. Many swears are left unsaid.

[burnt valley]

Revert everything back into 3.5e, make Tome of Battle but better and make martials NOT mundane

[hybrid girder]

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

[tall forge]

Thinking of Monk as a catch all term for martial artist is what i do

[drifting zodiac]

Yea but in reality it's quite the opposite

[reef tundra]

I also go further and have it include characters like boxers or other unarmed combatants.

[feral fulcrum]

My DM likes to make up their own Mini-styles, but they're also an Exalted Storyteller, and so have...numerous, absolutely awesome things to draw inspiration from.

[uncut zenith]

I played a Drunken Master monk once and flavored his moves around capoeira

[normal junco]

i'd have renamed Monk as Fighter (as in MMA fighter, or boxing match fighter, etc.), and Fighter as Warrior. and rename the Medusa as a Gorgon, and rename the Gorgon as a Cinderbull or something.

[drifting zodiac]

Monks don't practice or preach violence well there are The Demon Buddhist Monks which its such a shame they aren't in Dnd

[uncut zenith]

Lots of fluid movement, bobbing and weaving, it was a fun time

[burnt valley]

There are different paths right?

[hybrid girder]

Sounds Fun!

[drifting zodiac]

As many as there are stalks of grass and grains of sand

[hybrid girder]

Good DM!

[burnt valley]

This opens up so many possibilities for cultivator subclasses

[drifting zodiac]

If you want to read , read Renegade Immortal by Er Gen

[topaz eagle]

Yo gng, I have a question. When a player casts for example, fireball, he has to roll a d20 and add his abilty mod. right ? But does he have to beat the enemy AC with it ?

[burnt valley]

We should cultivators the ideal "Monk" baseline

[hot marlin]

An infinity. And one. It depends entirely on your eyes

[drifting zodiac]

There are , Formation, Alchemists, Beast Tamers , Sword Masters , Body Cultivators, Charm Cultivators, Poison Cultivators, Arrays etc

[burnt valley]

Oh yeah i have heard of it and A Will Eternal but never actually read them yet