dnd-discussion

[tall forge]

But yeah, that also works

Two people who look at eachother and think “i wish i could do that. I wish i could be that strong” and neither of them means their abilities, but their willpower and mentality

[fresh panther]

My tiefling to my friends tiefling 😔

[crimson gulch]

This time last week I had 3 exandrian campaigns running and now I'm down to 1. Wednesday and Saturday are now curse of strahd and tomb of anhilliation

[tall forge]

Not to mention, they contrast eachother

Batman is batman.

Clark kent is clark kent

Iykyk

[fast latch]

How far along are you in them?

[fresh panther]

Good lord-
This is my first champaign its impressive how many people u guys can find

[crimson gulch]

Session one of each one is the next one

[severe rampart]

It's his job, he gets paid to DM games

[fresh panther]

Ohhh

[crimson gulch]

I'm running 7 campaigns currently

[severe rampart]

Current goal is to get as good as Urizt

[fast latch]

Always good to see newbies

What’s your first campaign, prewritten or homebrew (By the way, I like the EzKayn in your PFP)?

[fresh panther]

I went to a convention and left as fast as I could in full cosplay so I could make it in time for dnd I live

[tall forge]

Lmao

[severe rampart]

Pretty nice commitment

[fresh panther]

They saw me only once that day and it was to save an npc lmao then my character left again

[true monolith]

When u think we'll see more eldritch invocations? many DMs simply allow most of the old ones to be used in 2024 as well, but DDB doesnt support selecting them and i kinda want a higher selection

[fresh panther]

YESS IT IS EZKAYN!! I drew it! :D!!

And its a homebrew our dm has been doing it for a while hes the best person ever 🥹

[fast latch]

Oh damn you’re a good artist

What’s the homebrew continent/world like?

[fresh panther]

Im not sure auauah Idk how to explain it either English isnt my first language but its pretty typical if that makes sense-

[fast latch]

So like European high fantasy? Not Asian or South American or African fantasy?

Why did I only name A countries?

[fresh panther]

Ohh yeah it seems very European so far lmao

They keep bullying my kingdom💔 (it deserves it but hey cmon)

[fast latch]

Got it

I homebrewed a North American high fantasy game with the exception of exactly One European kingdom because I thought it would be easy

It has

Fantasy New York (Big advanced city)

Fantasy Louisiana (Swamps)

Fantasy Colorado + Mississippi (Mountains plus hyper religious)

Fantasy Las Vegas (Desert plus gambling)

Fantasy Florida (Beachside town)

[fresh panther]

Ohhh thats cool!!

[fast latch]

There’s also an underground city

A secret city in space

And a secret town underwater

[fresh panther]

We have a place like Russia, Italy.... stuff like that we havent gone to most places yet we are only lvl 5 after all 🥲

[fast latch]

I only have one continent actually fleshed out, Fantasy USA

[fresh panther]

That does sound pretty cool! Im sure ill get to see stuff like that eventually rusjsisiks

[fast latch]

Want to be friends? You seem nice

[fresh panther]

Of course!

[fathom path]

With spiritual weapon does it require a action to use it attack?

[meager fractal]

bonus

[obtuse stratus]

sigh making characters is exhausting

[stuck shuttle]

It can certainly get tough at times, what troubles are you having?

[empty thicket]

depends, i like to make them

[obtuse stratus]

Moving information to character sheets, lol

Like I got so used to Basic taking like 15 minutes, but just gatherung everything from my classes (there are 4 characters), backgrounds, feats and spells is just tiring

[minor cargo]

Oof. Can your players not give you a hand? Kind of spread out the work?

[obtuse stratus]

Nah it's just solo play to try to get through all the modules I bought over the years and never got a chance to run or play since my group kind of split years ago. Want to use the 5e stuff one last time, you know

[torpid hound]

Heat Metal is the most comically terrifying spell I've ever seen

[candid osprey]

I find it's also either stupid good or utterly useless

[severe rampart]

Fighter's worst nightmare

[swift silo]

If I want a necromancer who uses a rapier what is the best sub class or multi class for that?

[candid osprey]

how often are they using their rapier?

[swift silo]

Tbh probably not that often I just want it for aesthetics

Possibly using it as a focus

[candid osprey]

just take a level dip into fighter then, could even take a 2 level dip for the infinitely helpful action surge.

I forget the specifics on paladin/war cleric's focus rules but those might also be helpful

ranger or rogue could also work depending on the theme

never touched hexblade outside of bg3, so IDK the specific rulings, but that might work

[knotty pasture]

No need to multiclass

Death Cleric or Oathbreaker monoclass works just fine

[candid osprey]

I guess I should've specified I was under the assumption of necro wiz or spore druid

However, Cert here is definitely right with death domain cleric

IDK oathbreaker outside of BG3 so I won't speak on that

[jolly agate]

Cleric or Bard?

for support

[candid osprey]

in what context?

[humble cairn]

They're both great support, but go Cleric if you want to minor in Damage, Bard if you want to also double major in Control.

[jolly agate]

let's say for battle

mostly more dmg output

[candid osprey]

cleric

[humble cairn]

Cleric, then. Bard is great at everything but damage.

[jolly agate]

alr i just lost a bet

[candid osprey]

Bards are still stupid good at support. Primarily making sure the DM can't play the bloody game

[jolly agate]

now they goin to shave all ma cow's hair the next session to make a coat for the Ogrillion

[meager fractal]

Question for y'all

[jolly agate]

(well if they find out abt dis)

[meager fractal]

What level of sorcerer is Dr. Strange? (MCU) as of his last movie

[candid osprey]

hold on

[jolly agate]

20

[humble cairn]

I played a full Support Lore Bard, his only damage was Vicious Mockery, but he was great!

[humble cairn]

He's not a D&D character and doesn't translate.

[jolly agate]

Dr. Strange would be more of an illusion wizard tho

[candid osprey]

sorcerer specifically? and not wizard?

I admit IDK anything about him, but I thought he was more studious rather than being born with power

[jolly agate]

Oh wait he does only uses his hands and not a staff

Ye would be more Sorcerer

[humble cairn]

He's called the Sorcerer Supreme, but they don't use the definition of "sorcerer" that D&D does so it doesn't translate.

[jolly agate]

Less cooler wizard

[candid osprey]

I mean definitely a level 20 spell caster, I'm more questioning which one

[jolly agate]

Mages>>>>Warlocks, Wizards and Sorcerers

[candid osprey]

oh, also which Dr. Strange? because I'm pretty sure the common place visual media one is infinitely weaker than the comic book version of him, because that's just how comic books tend to work

[severe rampart]

Well...

Not if you go with CME + Scorching ray from lore Bard's magical secrets

[meager fractal]

The MCU version, at the end of his last movie

[candid osprey]

figured

[humble cairn]

Not great doesn't mean bad.

[severe rampart]

But yeah, usually, clerics have more variety and diversity in builds

[knotty pasture]

- In the first tier (levels 1-4)... The threats they face are relatively minor, usually posing a danger to local farmsteads or villages.
- In the second tier (levels 5-10)... These characters have become important, facing dangers that threaten cities and kingdoms.
- In the third tier (levels 11-16)...These mighty adventurers often confront threats to whole regions and continents.
- At the fourth tier (levels 17-20)... The fate of the world or even the fundamental order of the multiverse might hang in the balance during their adventures.

A general guideline from PHB Re: Dr. Strange

[candid osprey]

there's also the dubious epic levels

granted at that point that's more looking like divinity

[knotty pasture]

Superheroes tend to fall under tier 3-4 I presume

[jolly agate]

Now that i think abt it. What level is Fizban The Fabulous?

[umbral girder]

Has none, he is a god in disguise.

[jolly agate]

Or someone powerfull like Tasha or Elminster

[umbral girder]

Paladine (also known as Bahamut) likes to disguise himself as a wizard who is Fizban.

[jolly agate]

Can't blame him, i would also like to disguise as Fizban

[candid osprey]

IIRC elminster is the reason I even mentioned epic levels.

if memory servers he has like 35 wizard levels, 10 cleric levels, and a few others

[umbral girder]

In a 5e sense Elminster and Tasha don't have class levels anymore.

[jolly agate]

Oh god

[candid osprey]

^

[jolly agate]

so he would be like level 50?

[umbral girder]

They become Legendary enough they are above player stats to become the high CR Monsters they are now.

[candid osprey]

something like that, taking from older edition crap (FTR I say 'crap' because that's just a general term I use, not saying "older editions bad" or anything)

[umbral girder]

Like Tasha is now a CR20 Archfey in 5e.

[umbral girder]

Older editions he was also just 18 wizard with 2 Rogue.

[candid osprey]

.... rogue?

[umbral girder]

Not all of D&D's editions work 1 to 1.

[jolly agate]

If we have Tasha's Hideous Laughter why can't we have Elminster's cheese blast or smth?

[umbral girder]

Like some of the "Epic level" monsters from 3.5e are just CR27 monsters now.

[knotty pasture]

The real question is whether Volo is a Wizard or a Bard

[candid osprey]

someone's played too much bg3

okay I joke, but how much is that actually part of his character

[jolly agate]

(the man likes cheese, can he be more peak?)

[umbral girder]

Volo is a wizard.

[jolly agate]

It happend and doesn't alter the continuity of Faerûn's history. So it's canon.

[umbral girder]

Both in previous and in current editions Volo has been a wizard.

[jolly agate]

Elminster likes cheese

[umbral girder]

Actually oddly enough.

[candid osprey]

IG a better question would be was that a thing prior to bg3?

[umbral girder]

Volo was a level 5 Wizard in 2e but in 5e he is a level 1 Wizard

[jolly agate]

Oh lawrd he weak

[umbral girder]

Probably. Elminster also likes Dr Pepper canonically too.

[candid osprey]

I really don't want to know the answers to that one

[knotty pasture]

Right a Wizard that gives off Bard vibes

[umbral girder]

The framework of "The Forgotten Realms" is that Elminster showed up to Ed Greenwood's house one day to rob him of food then told him about a world that used to connect to Earth but has now been forgotten

[knotty pasture]

Probably maxed out his cha for some reason

[hoary totem]

Favourite absolutely overpowered subclass that you like not for OPness but for flavour? (UA allowed)

[umbral girder]

Ed Greenwood being the creator of the Forgotten Realms.

[jolly agate]

Wait, now that i also think abt it. Wasen't Elminster also a woman?

[umbral girder]

Huh? That's new to me.

[jolly agate]

I just remembered something like that

[candid osprey]

honestly IDK how much of it is charisma or just deception expertise (isn't most of his crap filled with.... well, crap)

[jolly agate]

i'm not quite sure

[humble cairn]

He lived as a woman for awhile in the novels, it was somethign Mystra did to test him.

[umbral girder]

Ah

[candid osprey]

if not, I plead bg3-ism and apologize

[jolly agate]

Mystra has some weird tests

[humble cairn]

I mean, live for awhile as someone else with different challenges does seem like it would make you a better person.

[jolly agate]

It definitely must have been something

[umbral girder]

Volo is consistently known for being a bad source on majority of info.

[jolly agate]

Now that you mention it, you're right.

[candid osprey]

so it is deception

[humble cairn]

She was named Elmara during that.

[jolly agate]

LMAO

[candid osprey]

IG this is more a ruling thing, but if someone is unintentionally spreading misinfo, is that deception?

[jolly agate]

Gawd i love the char

[humble cairn]

Unreliable narrator to the max.

[jolly agate]

He and Fizban The Fabulous are in ma top 5 of best characters of dnd

[cerulean monolith]

Ability checks are game mechanics that are abstractions of an uncertain outcome. So it’s futile to attempt to apply them to something that doesn’t already contain them, if that makes any sense

[humble cairn]

I'm a fan of that rascal, Jarlaxle.

[umbral girder]

I love that Volo is known so much for being untrust worthy a a source for half a century. Because that gives an excuse of why Volo's guide to monsters is retconned.

[humble cairn]

Exactly

[jolly agate]

How old is he anyway?

[umbral girder]

A few hundred

[jolly agate]

50-60?

[jolly agate]

HOW?, HE'S A HUMAN

HUMANS AINT LIVIN DAT LONG

[umbral girder]

Elminster trapped him in time for a few centuries

[jolly agate]

why

[umbral girder]

He was tired of babysitting him and needed a break

Also he wrote a book that killed thousands of people.

Volo's guide to Magic or something like that.

[jolly agate]

People killed themselves by listening to a level 1 wizard

cmon

[umbral girder]

It was a very bad guide to magic.

The devestation and destruction was wild.

A lot of people got hit in the crossfire

[jolly agate]

how is Elminster your bloody mentor and you do stuff like dat

[umbral girder]

“Mentor” is pushing it

[cursive ledge]

which common magic items do y’all like best?

[umbral girder]

More “guy assigned to him”

[jolly agate]

thats what the wiki says

[umbral girder]

Cloak of Billowing. Aura farming the Magic item

[jolly agate]

Do thou dare to challenge THY MIGHTY SCRIPTURES? (Aka the wiki)

[cursive ledge]

okay if we’re talking silly stuff that one def wins

[umbral girder]

As someone who read the novels, yes.

[jolly agate]

Lmao

[jolly agate]

alr can't say nothin against that

[cerulean monolith]

He’s one of the conduit through which Mystra keeps the Weave afloat. So she made him her Chosen and granted him immortality to keep Bad Things™ from happening

[jolly agate]

I'm sorry, what?

We talkin the same Volo who got captured by goblins in bg3 right?

That's Mystra's conduit?

[cerulean monolith]

He survived, didn’t he?

[exotic sinew]

There is a player at my table they doesn’t talk a whole lot. I am unsure if they are shy or just a quiet person.

How can I help them to talk more idk I just don’t want to feel like they are a spectator I want them to be involved

[jolly agate]

next time ima let him die there to see what happens

[jolly agate]

Curse them, With a curse that makes him speak every turn or his character dies

[exotic sinew]

I am also a player btw

[cerulean monolith]

He doesn’t die on his own.

[humble cairn]

First have a private discussion and ask if this is an issue for them. Maybe they like it that way.

[jolly agate]

So talk to him like all turns

[humble cairn]

Oh, well then this isn't really your job? If you worry about it, bring that up to the DM, but again it might not actually be a problem.

[cerulean monolith]

You can give opportunities to the player, ask them if there’s anything you can do to help, or bring it up to the DM. But if there’s not a clear problem, you don’t have to get involved

[exotic sinew]

I just feel bad 😢

I just hope that they don’t feel left out of planning or discussions or anything.

[humble cairn]

Do you know that they feel left out?

[jolly agate]

Some people are just quiet, you know?

[woven flint]

Hello, friends

[jolly agate]

Hiiiii!👋

[exotic sinew]

Nope. Like I said I don’t know if they are shy or just a quiet person either.

Idk I am just worrier. I want them to be enjoying their play time and not feel left out.

[humble cairn]

You can try interacting with their character in character and see if that helps, but otherwise it might not actually be a problem.

[umbral girder]

Act 3 ||he is tied to a dozen explosive barrels that are on fire.||

He can maybe survive.

[obtuse stirrup]

made a new account for various reasons so i’m back in this server… yahoo

i should eventually try and find a game i can be a player in since im a bit tired of being the forever dm 💔

[jolly agate]

Idk who is you but Hiiiii

[umbral girder]

But here is the thing. Even if Volo dies it doesn’t matter much.

D&D has ressurection magic after all.

[obtuse stirrup]

oh yea i’d just occasionally say hi here

[humble cairn]

Wait but, can we avoid spoilers please? Thank you!

[obtuse stirrup]

i don’t use discord much tbh

[jolly agate]

I meaaaan

It does exists but like. Ain't ressurection Magic like very VERY hard to use?

[humble cairn]

It's generally expensive, is what it is.

[umbral girder]

He knows and is watched by Elminster. Do you think that’s an issue?

[rough basalt]

I got to check off a couple items on my dm list tonight

[cerulean monolith]

Mystra can cast every spell at will. It’s no big deal for her to cast True Resurrection if something happens.

[jolly agate]

oh yeah Elminster is like Gazillionarie or smth

[umbral girder]

Also it’s dirt cheap for adventures to get the Diamond for ressurection

[rough basalt]

I used counterspell on a healing word, not once, not twice, but all 3 times

[umbral girder]

After all (in 5e at least) at level 1 a party can get 500gp per session

[exotic sinew]

Alright I’ll talk to the dm in private as they know the player more and see if it is just them as a person being shy or quiet and they don’t have an issue at all with being quiet.

It’s just something I have noticed and yea I guess don’t want them to feel left out or like they are spectating or a side character or something.

[umbral girder]

Plus Magic items.

[rough basalt]

Got to use a 9th level spell as a dm

Tho it was an upcasted Summon Dragon

And now my players have a derelict Wizard tower with constructs that like them so Bastion time.

[exotic sinew]

How?? That’s crazy 🤪

[jovial shadow]

you are a meanie

[jolly agate]

Idk I'm just patiently waiting for the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch to eventually appear in my current session.
(My DM said it would basically be a mythical item and would be the equivalent of 10 barrels of smokepowder combined.)

[umbral girder]

Well the thing is a party has 4-5 players in it. So that money is getting divided.

So 500 could be 100-125gp average

[exotic sinew]

I haven’t earnt any money so far after my 2 sessions is that not normal?

I have 28gp

[umbral girder]

Likely your DM.

Likely they just aren’t using the DMG

[rough basalt]

Party got their first very rare item

[exotic sinew]

It’s campaign. So idk 🤷‍♂️

[umbral girder]

Campaigns still use the DMG.

Just like how campaigns use the PHB and MM.

[rough basalt]

Party's about to go viral on dndtok in my world.

[umbral girder]

They are called the Core rule books for a reason after all.

[echo meteor]

is there a link on what is “official” and what isn’t?

[jovial shadow]

In the D&D Beyond character creation?

[echo meteor]

Explorer's Guide to Wildemount is “official”?

[exotic sinew]

But like idk if it’s just this campaign that is like different from a gold earning perspective

[echo meteor]

i mean i see that it’s official because it’s publishrd but wotc but apparently they publish third party stuff too

so i’m a bit confused

[rough basalt]

They don't really publish 3rd party stuff too much. They mainly just allow it to be advertised on ddb for I imagine a part of the profit.

Wildemount on the other hand is in a weird place

Its official, it's published by WotC, but it's from an initially third party setting which makes it sometimes confusing

[meager fractal]

my dm tried to have another guy start at level 5 while we are all at level 1 arguing it was just an escort NPC.
Was I right to be a bit upset?

seemed like favoritism to me

[jovial shadow]

It depends on how involved he was? NPC's could also take part of the xp and treasure if they are involved in action

[umbral girder]

No? It isn’t?

[echo meteor]

i mean, if it’s just for 1 session i think it’s fine

[umbral girder]

Campaign just means having more than 1 adventure with a party. You know that right?

Like a season in a TV show or a line of Comic books.

[exotic sinew]

No idk 🤷‍♂️

I thought a campaign was just like a longer version of a one shot module

Idk how this stuff is meant to work I am sorry 😔

[umbral girder]

Even one shot expect that much too.

[meager fractal]

it was for the entire campaign, they'd level up with us

[humble cairn]

Were they just going to be a guest player for one session? Because otherwise that IS a PC.

[exotic sinew]

I know that one shots you get like a mission and then at the end of the mission you get like gold and sometimes an item or something but Idk this campaign has been sorta different to the 5-6 one shots that I do leading up to the campaign

[umbral girder]

Yeah a campaign is a series of adventures (usually) with an overarching story. Like a TV show, or a line of comics etc.

[exotic sinew]

Maybe it was just how our party approached it but we are at a carnival and there hasn’t been any like gold earning stuff we have done in our 2 sessions so far

[rough basalt]

I had a lot of trouble with my new foundry combat stuff.
Gonna have to punish my Wednesday group for it.

[echo meteor]

i mean golds r usually random drops

[humble cairn]

Or quest rewards.

[echo meteor]

or treasures

[umbral girder]

Yeah Gold isn't just coins.

[humble cairn]

Every campaign is different.

[rough basalt]

Maybe I'll finally collect my 1st level one 5e PC for my PC graveyard

[umbral girder]

Usually with valuable items, gems, jewels, magic items, etc.

[echo meteor]

is this a module??? or homebrew? most modules are great at giving u treasures per encounter

[exotic sinew]

A bunch of us have pixie dust and 2 people were able to get a invisibility cupcake is that what you mean by “gold”

[exotic sinew]

It’s wild beyond the Witchlight

I am only 2 sessions in though

Our last session was postponed cause dm was sick

[echo meteor]

i feel like someone should just have detect magic concentrated ALWAYS and then also “investigate” every room

like literally “search” every room or explore something the dm points out

[umbral girder]

Yeah Wild Beyond the Witchlight is one of those modules that doesn't do much with dungeons, avoids combat, and actively makes money pointless.

[exotic sinew]

How does that work with the ritual casting. So 10 minutes for the spell duration and then 10 minutes of you casting it on repeat

[echo meteor]

because alot of the modules are written in a way where it says “players can make a dc x perception to find y” in some random ass rooms

[umbral girder]

A more "Fun house" style adventure.

[exotic sinew]

Interesting 🤔 good to know

[echo meteor]

lol yeah pretty much, or you can run around the dungeon after you clear it with detect magic concentrated

[exotic sinew]

lol 😂 fair enough

[echo meteor]

for like a “sweep” before you leave

[umbral girder]

Fun fact it takes 10 minutes to search a room in both 2014 and 2024.

So basically you spend a lot of time with ritual casting Detect Magic and looking for items in a room.

[echo meteor]

i don’t see why you wouldn’t be able to just say “i want to run around the dungeon with detect magic” to see what we missed

[umbral girder]

Its mainly notable for things like encounter tables for staying too long in a dungeon, and durations for spells and magic items.

[echo meteor]

well, you don’t exactly need to search every room, you just go to each room with detect magic on, and you only search if you detect something

[umbral girder]

So you'd get like 3 rooms before common stuff wear off since a lot just say "an hour"

Especially since things can just negate Detect magic.

Like a thick enough box or a wall.

[echo meteor]

no, you don’t “search” you just run through all the rooms which you can probably do within a minute

[umbral girder]

Or that one spell that just hides magic.

[echo meteor]

especially if your dashing

[umbral girder]

1 minute per room for travel (also 2014 and 2024)

Also per hallway

[echo meteor]

how many modules have u actually run where magical items were protected?

[umbral girder]

A lot surprisngly.

In fact maybe all of them.

[echo meteor]

i call bs, during initiative, you can dash between rooms in a round or two

[umbral girder]

Combat Rules do not equal Exploration rules.

[echo meteor]

some times you can cross multiple rooms in a single dash, don’t get me started on monks

[umbral girder]

Just like how they don't equal Social rules.

[echo meteor]

pretty inconsistebt

[umbral girder]

Like a negotiation isnt 6 seconds because "its the influence action!"

[umbral girder]

Which is a lot of D&D

[echo meteor]

i don’t think you can fully negotiate in combat

though each round is 6 seconds

and people negotiate in combat anyways because it’s cool

[umbral girder]

In fact the rules even note you get debuffs and even automatically miss things when moving too fast too.

[echo meteor]

yeah, but that’s if your searching, i was talking about detect magic

and just looking for a ping from it

it’s weird that traversing a room takes a minute when walking through it in initiative takes 6 seconds, like wtf

[umbral girder]

Combat does not equal Exploration.

[echo meteor]

sure? but you can just run through the rooms with detect magic on cant you?

[umbral girder]

Just like how Combat running rules does not match Chase rules which gives Exhaustion for using the Dash action.

[echo meteor]

i thought that was optional

[umbral girder]

You might need to have a reread of the rulebooks.

[echo meteor]

idek what you’re arguing with rnn

or what your point is

your saying you can’t cross a room in less than a minute, but players literally do so during initiative in 6 seconds

i dont really see how you justify that

[knotty vine]

Elminster's Elusion being only a second level spell is kinda crazy to me

[echo meteor]

ah wait

hmm i think absorb elements is more useful

also, you waste your concentration

i find using concentration on defensive spells to be a waste

just use it on something that deals more damage or provide utility

[tidal bough]

Yes but adv on saving throws against magic and having the evasion equivalent is very strong

[olive stag]

Job bored me so hard I began to think about strange potential D&D stuff. Like for example a creature with either strange eyes or eyes that don't look like eyes at all.

[tidal bough]

Especially late game where saving throws are super imperative to pass

[tidal bough]

I believe there was a sword or fear dragon in older editions where they had fake eyes, twas pre cool

[echo meteor]

would i have this spell up? or enlarge on our fighter? or levitate? or web? flaming sphere?

[frail wasp]

"14? you failed your save ... the curse take effect, and days are now only 20 hours long"

[tidal bough]

Reminds me of the big hammer dude from ds2 who had the hammer and golden armor, had 2 very hard to see eye slits in their armor

[echo meteor]

it also competes with higher level spells for concentration

[olive stag]

Only example that came to mind was bees for some reason. (Darkstalkers reference)

[tidal bough]

Its an entirely situational spell but when it is strong its strong

You wouldnt run it in every mission but when you go up against magic users its going to be very strong

Itd probably be best inside an enspelled weapon/armor for a fighter or something

Having a mage slayer build or something

[olive stag]

Saw a dude be making a Jujutsu Kaisen campaign (dunno if here or on the altrole server) so Im curious if anybody made or is making a Chainsaw Man focused homebrew one.

Not that I will participate but hey..fun idea.

[true monolith]

Very late answer, but have u checked the undead patron of the warlock class? A necromancer indeed and with just a single invocation (and maybe the green flame blade cantrip) you can use your rapier in green necrotic-ish flames

[tidal bough]

You can always just reflavor the backgrounds to fit your character

[karmic heath]

Sweet thank you! Didn’t know that

[tidal bough]

Nw, granted it is generally best to run it past your dm so there isnt any confusion, 99% of the time its fine so long as theres no mechanical change

[karmic heath]

Makes sense

[unkempt atlas]

Currently playing a session and we just tamed a red wyrming💀

[umbral girder]

Taming a sapient being is an odd way of saying it.

[hot marlin]

Call it what it is, enslavement.

[echo meteor]

what if you made it sapient?

[tall forge]

Tbf it could be a homebrew setting where dragons aren’t spent

[echo meteor]

like cast "awaken" on a beast

[tall forge]

Has in game rules where the creature decides if you’re chill based on your actions

[echo meteor]

is it enslavement for the first 30 days tho?

[tall forge]

Kinda tbh

[echo meteor]

i mean.. isnt the wyrmling older than the players?

im pretty sure wyrmlings can live long ass time

[hot marlin]

Depends. A wyrmling could have hatched yesterday, or could be a few years old

[hot marlin]

Dragons are already sapient. More sapient than you and I

[tall forge]

But giving a creature sentience/sapience is already a moral gray area

[echo meteor]

idk the context at this point

[echo meteor]

idk if casting "awaken" on a creature is morally gray

i think casting awaken on a creature just to torture it is evil i guess

[tall forge]

Imagine if a bunch of squid people brought you to a higher plan of existence, and you look back at all other humans and you saw animals on two legs

[echo meteor]

but if you "awaken" it and then treat it well i'd guess not

[tall forge]

You can no longer relate to your old life at all, and you are forced to try and relate to squid people now

Some see you as that animal still

[jolly agate]

Now that i think abt it. Why do dwarves and elves hate each other?

[echo meteor]

id see that as a benefit

[tall forge]

Tolkein lore

[echo meteor]

cause elves are pretentious pricks

[jolly agate]

Well i wanna know the lore

[hot marlin]

Well except that you could just dispel magic if you don't like being sapient anymore

[echo meteor]

you can dispel magic awaken1?!

[jolly agate]

Pretty solid, no more questions. they do are pretentious pricks

[tall forge]

Gotta go read LOTR

[echo meteor]

you cant dispel magic zombies

[jolly agate]

cmon mate😭

[echo meteor]

you cant dispel magic awaken

[tall forge]

Dnd modernly isnt huge on elf dwarf hate

[tall forge]

This is also true, it’s an instantaneous spell

[hot marlin]

Thingol's murder was the trigger that changed the relationship - Thingol had thought to combine the greatest work of the Elves (a Silmaril) and that of the Dwarves, the Nauglamir. He hired dwarves from Nogrod to do so, who seized the Silmaril and refused to return it. When Thingol attempted to recover it, the dwarves slew him and were then slain in turn. This degenerated into war. And is the cause of most of the bad blood

[hot marlin]

Oh yeah, my bad.

[jolly agate]

ooooohhh

stupid elves

[hot marlin]

This is clearly the fault of the dwarves.

[echo meteor]

i find "animate dead" a fun spell

because it leaves behind zombies that walk around permanently

[jolly agate]

is it?, Or is it the elf's fault for dying?

[echo meteor]

i imagine all the random zombies that litter the map/dungeons to have been reanimated by some kind of a magical being and just left there... like some kind of a lost lore

[jolly agate]

If he hadn't died, there would have been no war.

So if we look at it that way, technically it's the elf's fault

[tall forge]

Forgotten realms apparently the dwarves and elves are steadfast allies

[jolly agate]

Say what now?

[tall forge]

Dnd elves and dwarves are pals

[jolly agate]

dammit i can't send gifts here

[echo meteor]

i mean.. elves are usually pricks in 40k lore

[tall forge]

They are pretty close allies usually, barring the high nosed subraces of both sides

[echo meteor]

they are pretentious and filled with pride

[jolly agate]

[Insert baby ash gift]

[echo meteor]

age of sigmar, or the eldar in 40k

[jolly agate]

And in almost every lore

But orcs?, orcs are badass in any universe mate

[unkempt atlas]

Yeah, but hes a part of our party now i guess?

[jolly agate]

40k Orcs are just PEAK

[unkempt atlas]

Im an Orc monk

[hot marlin]

Orcs are not badass in Tolkien, they're at best pitiful.

[jolly agate]

Peak

[jolly agate]

Bloody how

[hot marlin]

Aeldari in 40K are not arrogant. They're better than humans and know it, it is not arrogance, it's just truth. You wouldn't treat a cockroach as your equal, and if the cockroach called you arrogant, you'd raise an eyebrow

[tall forge]

Dnd, while heavily still inspired by tolkein, tried to move away from tolkein dwarves and elves

[echo meteor]

Tolkien orcs are a bit bad, they serve a dumb elf prick

[empty thicket]

Im an half orc figther, my father was a bold and strong human and my mother a nice lady that wanted the best for her

[tall forge]

With elves taking more of a fae-focus

[hot marlin]

Serve an ef? When?

[echo meteor]

Sauron is an elf

isnt sauron an elf? he has pointy ears

[unkempt atlas]

The wyrmling we have, the DM described his dragonborn form to look about mid age, and that he's also about 65% of the way through his wyrming phase

[hot marlin]

I'd advise you read Tolkien again, because Sauron most definitely and absolutely isn't an elf.

[jolly agate]

Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of Elderberries

[echo meteor]

idk, i just watched a bit of the movie, he looked like an elf

[unkempt atlas]

My Orc father is a warlord of a nation of Orcs

[tall forge]

Ok but do they become sapient

That was the important question

[unkempt atlas]

Yes

[hot marlin]

The movie? Where he is... A giant in armour whose face you don't see?

[tall forge]

Ok calling it taming is a bit gross

[empty thicket]

My father was a light, my mother the moth.

[unkempt atlas]

Well, we didnt know he was at the time, so then after we figured it out, we convinced him to come with us

[tall forge]

Thats a grown man

[empty thicket]

He survived, taught me some stuff like my mother. After that went away to get adventures because fighting in the arena (gladiator) were boring at some point

[jolly agate]

U gotta go watch monty python and the holy grail (believe me, you need to)

[hot marlin]

"Become" sapient? Dragons are sapient

[tall forge]

I was giving the benefit of the doubt of a hb world where dragons arent

[empty thicket]

its in my waiting list, i like hte "this but a scratch"

[hot marlin]

Oh, yeah, makes sense

[echo meteor]

if you google "sauron face" he looks 100% like an elf

[unkempt atlas]

When we were first fighting him, he was a prisoner to fairies, then we freed him and fought, then convinced him to help us and we would help him with his goals

[hot marlin]

You mean when it shows you the images of that time he disguised himself as an elf?

[echo meteor]

oh, thats not ACTUALLY him?

hmm i didnt know that, i just assumed that was him lol

[hot marlin]

He's a shapeshifter, all maiar are.

[jolly agate]

Idk in ma current game ma char is a cow (Highland cow aka cooler bull), his father is a cow-headed Minotaur and his mother a centaur. And he has a sister who is a completely normal human

[empty thicket]

yeah... if its from the last shows of teh LOTR.....things happened...

[echo meteor]

ya im not big on lotr i just saw pictures and assumed 😛

[jolly agate]

LMAO, i love that scene

[hot marlin]

Actually that part is canon. Well, the way the show executes it is idiotic, but it's the lore. Sauron disguised himself as an elf to enter Celembrimbor's abode and partner with him.

[unkempt atlas]

So, now we have a dragon wyrmling dmpc

Who can turn into a dragonborn

[jolly agate]

Envy is consuming me.

[empty thicket]

My buddy Harood (his name, a mix of Hard Wood) work in a company that.... do stuff.
You have problems with some monster? Call the company
Problems with some cultist? call the company
Our boss want a giant Hellforge for herself making us go through a living volcano to get it for her? Yes.
An ally got a cursed item and made him go feral against us and we had a whole arc for break the curse? Yep and fought a really strong demon.

[jolly agate]

I had an ice wyvern egg. But the Paladins of Tyr ate it when they killed me

[hot marlin]

I assume it was a fertilized egg?

[unkempt atlas]

NOOOO

[empty thicket]

Had a cave with around 300 creatures in it? We clean it free so your workers can get the stuff inside of it. IN 2 DAYS!!

[jolly agate]

idk we found it frozen on High ice

[hot marlin]

Might already be dead then

[jolly agate]

next to an forgotten arcane tower

[jolly agate]

they also ate me

[empty thicket]

My DM have another group that share the same world (he wanted to do the "lazy" move so he doesnt have to make another world)
My group fight mostly demons and cultist
The other group fight mostly undeads

[unkempt atlas]

Fighting the fairies were really pitiful tho, it was super sad. They were super into fighting us and it was very very dramatic, and they did like no damage and we killed them in like 1 hit

[hot marlin]

Cannibal paladins of Tyr. I wouldn't have expected that.

[jolly agate]

I am but a cow

(A magic one)

[unkempt atlas]

I love that

[jolly agate]

well was. Now i am but a cow shaped demon?, Fiend? I still don't quite understand it. cuz. the Paladins only left the bones and the cultists of Baphomet didn't have much to work with when they revived me.

[empty thicket]

A cow that throw warm milk.

So warm that burn your tongue!!

[jolly agate]

lol

[echo meteor]

minotaur?

[echo meteor]

a female minotaur?

[jolly agate]

no, like a whole arse Highland cow (aka bull)

Like, u Google 'Highland cow' and that's ma boy

[echo meteor]

do they have special stats in D&D or something?

[jolly agate]

nah minotaur stats

[echo meteor]

so, its a minotaur?

[jolly agate]

it is half minatour half centaur

but mostly minotaur cuz cow genetics are strong and blah blah blah

I've explained this like 20 times

[echo meteor]

kind of, earlier you said it was a highland bull so i was confused

[jolly agate]

the race is called Highland cow so i call it cow most of the time but ye it is a bull

[inner silo]

How tall/short can a changeling make themself look?

[humble cairn]

Discord chat has maybe ten lines of memory.

[humble cairn]

Anything within Small and Medium.

[inner silo]

A changeling warlock with the mask of many faces would be really great then i think

[humble cairn]

And your explanation is confusing because a cow, full on quadrupedal animal that can't speak, is not a playable species. If you continue to call your character a cow, continue to expect people to ask about it.

[humble cairn]

Isn't that a little redundant?

Though I guess you could use Mask of Many Faces to change your clothes, too.

[inner silo]

It partially solves the issue of clothes not changing

At least if your goal is to never got caught/found out, it would probably be the best combo you can do at level 1

[jolly agate]

Next time ima say bull and ye i went like 4 sessions unable to speak until my party reached Thulantar and my boy was used as a test subject by drow scientists (that was bad ngl)

[inner silo]

Whispers bard is also pretty powerful for the ability to assume another persons whole identity after their death

[inner silo]

Did it bring them back to their regular form or allow them to speak with humans?

[jolly agate]

the regular form is a whole arse Highland bull and ye, It gave ma boy the ability to speak common language

[inner silo]

Well at least that's something

What class are they?

[jolly agate]

Warlock of Baphomet (The Fiend)

[unkempt atlas]

Guys its my first boss fight wish me luck

[scenic turret]

Wowowowoowowowoowowowoow

Hi

[cyan narwhal]

Sorry for the very late reply but got busy yesterday, so
Summoner, i think elemental spirits or something like that, i would slowly change the pocket dimension so It can be a home for the summons (like a mini lake, trees, etc.) and i would use them for my daily life plus to help society in many different ways depending on what type of elemental spirit i send to work

[cyan narwhal]

Hey there

[true trout]

Gl! Who's the boss?

[scenic turret]

:D!! I really should be asleep by now but being kept up by Kryptic atm

[acoustic ledge]

goodluck my fellow monk🫡

[unkempt atlas]

Dont know yet, some undead monster thats homebrew

[unkempt atlas]

I got targeted first and got knocked out (hope im not dead)

[acoustic ledge]

NOOOO BROTHER

[scenic turret]

NOOOO

[true trout]

Nooo

[scenic turret]

FIRST HIT???

[true trout]

Homebrew bosses be like that.

[acoustic ledge]

what level are you?

[unkempt atlas]

6

[cyan narwhal]

Lol, try to sleep then

[scenic turret]

Nah hes being too cute… I can't

[viscid chasm]

homebrew bosses or not the gm isnt supposed to target

[unkempt atlas]

I did 31 damage to him, dashed away, got restrained then thrown in lava

[cyan narwhal]

Fair enough lol

[acoustic ledge]

what subclass are u

[viscid chasm]

good morning everyone

[unkempt atlas]

I dont have a subclass

[scenic turret]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN NO SUB

[unkempt atlas]

I can have one at lvl 6?

[cyan narwhal]

No subclass at lvl 6?

[viscid chasm]

You're below lvl 3 fighting a boss?

[scenic turret]

YOU GET IT AT LEVEL 3

[acoustic ledge]

i suggest open hand

[viscid chasm]

LVL 6? you do have a subclass!

[lavish flame]

It should be one of your Level 3 Class Features

[stuck shuttle]

Did you not check your class table when you hit 3rd level in your class, or are you multiclassed?

[unkempt atlas]

Oh.....💀 guys im so dumb

[scenic turret]

Quick

[unkempt atlas]

I DIDN'T KNOW

My dm also didn't tell me this

[scenic turret]

QUICK FIGURE OUT YOUR NEW SUBCLASS

[cyan narwhal]

The only class that gets a subclass at a different lvl Is wizard that gets a school of magic at lvl 2

[stuck shuttle]

I’d uhh, definitely make sure you read your class table 😅

[acoustic ledge]

nah ur good homie LMAOOO GET OPEN HAND

my goliath monk with open hand is super fun

[unkempt atlas]

WAIT

[lavish flame]

Make sure you read about your abilities. You get a bunch of stuff from level 1-6 as a Monk

[unkempt atlas]

I DO HAVE SUBCLASS ITS WARRIOR OF THE OPEN HAND

[acoustic ledge]

YESSSSSSSS BROTHER

[scenic turret]

YASSSSSSS

[cyan narwhal]

Wait a minute, did you say the boss threw you into lava?

[unkempt atlas]

I apologize guys im very new to dnd

[unkempt atlas]

Yes

[acoustic ledge]

nah same dw u chose the right class

[scenic turret]

Oh your cooked…. Literally….

[cyan narwhal]

Unless someone does something IMMEDIATELY, you are dead

[unkempt atlas]

I got thrown into that air by chains and im in the ceiling

[lavish flame]

ur good bossman

[scenic turret]

I think your DM wants you dead

[lavish flame]

yeah, Lava is a real problem. You gotta get the hell outta there

[cyan narwhal]

You can still survive then

[acoustic ledge]

is this a party meets the bbeg super early to ego check trope?

[stuck shuttle]

That is only partially true. In 2014 5e Sorcerers, Clerics, and Warlocks get their subclasses at 1st level. Druids also get theirs at level 2, and everyone else at 3. In 2024 5.5e all classes get their subclasses at level 3.

[cyan narwhal]

Ah my bad i forgot, thanks for correcting my mistake

[scenic turret]

Star is the true goat

[vale kettle]

Feels like a live encouragement chat

[scenic turret]

All hail starofthelight bows at their feet

[lavish flame]

Also remember your Deflect Attacks. A significant amount of your survivability in combat is due to your ability to Deflect an Attack

[unkempt atlas]

No just random boss

[acoustic ledge]

my monk brother must succeed

[vale kettle]

You got this lill bro

[unkempt atlas]

I failed 2 saving throws

[acoustic ledge]

NOOOOOO

[stuck shuttle]

Random early boss and already with brutal stage hazards like lava sheesh

[scenic turret]

Death throws?

[unkempt atlas]

Yes

[vale kettle]

Oh no bro SOMEONE HEAL HIM

[scenic turret]

OH NOOOO

[vale kettle]

CLERIC DO YOUR DAMN JOB

[acoustic ledge]

WHERES THE CLERIC

[unkempt atlas]

And mercury

[stuck shuttle]

Hopefully someone has healing word

[scenic turret]

Literally half of the class roster can healllll

[acoustic ledge]

GET OUT OF THERE BROTHER

[unkempt atlas]

We dont have one, we have a Rogue, monk (me) barbarian and sorcerer

[vale kettle]

Someone feed bro a supreme healing potion

[lavish flame]

i got 10 bucks on whoever you're fighting

[unkempt atlas]

I CANT IM TRAPPED

[scenic turret]

I bless your next roll

[acoustic ledge]

i got ten bucks on the monk

[cyan narwhal]

How are the rest of party doing against the boss?

[vale kettle]

He is in lava bros he aint making it 😢

[lavish flame]

making it 20!

[acoustic ledge]

NAH WAIT A MINUTE WE AGREED ON TEN

[stuck shuttle]

…Someone with a medicine kit at least?

[scenic turret]

No he's in the ceiling now

[unkempt atlas]

Bad, the boss is gaining more health than we can deal

[vale kettle]

DONT LET BRO FALL 10 ft fall will kill him

[lavish flame]

oh yo its healing?

[scenic turret]

Does the sorcerer have anything??? They CAN have a heal spell

[acoustic ledge]

this dm wants pain

[vale kettle]

Wheres chill touch

[unkempt atlas]

I have an item in my inventory that is greater restoration

[cyan narwhal]

It can even regenerate!? I feel a tpk incoming

[scenic turret]

Your DM hates you… idk how to tell you this

[stuck shuttle]

This has to be a narrative combat if it has a massive self heal 😭

[lavish flame]

oh yeah, Potion of Vitality or somethin

[scenic turret]

Def narrative TPK

[vale kettle]

Nooooo

[scenic turret]

No other way

[unkempt atlas]

It has a siphon ability, so if he chains a player and does damage, he gains the same amount of damage

[lavish flame]

we're making fan theories about this guy's active game

[acoustic ledge]

im having so much fun

[lavish flame]

good times

[scenic turret]

Critical role who?

[unkempt atlas]

Our barbarian is currently restrained so thats how hes gaining so much health

[vale kettle]

That barbarian is selling!!!!

[stuck shuttle]

Inb4 their DM: “I didn’t expect a TPK here”

[unkempt atlas]

I died

[lavish flame]

yo lowkey ur Barbarian is a bag of lifestealable hit points

[scenic turret]

NOOOOOOOO

[vale kettle]

Tell him to lock the f in

[acoustic ledge]

NOOOOOOOOO

[cyan narwhal]

Tbh i would do something like this in a Erevan's Guide To Death Beyond since it's all about undead, necromancy and easier ways to ressurect

[vale kettle]

Nooooooooooooooooo

[scenic turret]

I’ll start digging the grave

[lavish flame]

i'm going shopping toniiiiight

[vale kettle]

Lill bro perished without experiencing the game with a subclass

[lavish flame]

thats roughs man

[acoustic ledge]

i didnt know that mf had a siphon

[cyan narwhal]

I'll help you out

[acoustic ledge]

rigged bet

[lavish flame]

yeah right thats kinda wild

[cyan narwhal]

Guess gwyn won the bet

[scenic turret]

Kee come back

[lavish flame]

I totally missed the description of whatever ur fighting. its got lifestealing chains? what the hell did ur DM make?

[scenic turret]

We need the play by play

[acoustic ledge]

sigh monks on top still wait till u learn to spam stunning strike

[scenic turret]

Something homebrew I think

[lavish flame]

level 6 is high enough level for a possible Revivify to be somewhere in ur group

[unkempt atlas]

We killed the boss but I failed all my saves

[acoustic ledge]

nooooo

[unkempt atlas]

I had to lock in as the dnpc

[scenic turret]

That's absolutely tragic

[unkempt atlas]

I LIIIIIIIIIIIIIVED

[acoustic ledge]

YES

[scenic turret]

YESSSSSS

[unkempt atlas]

GREATER RESTORATIOOOOOOOOOON

[lavish flame]

BACK FROM THE BRINK

[cyan narwhal]

Let's gooooo

[unkempt atlas]

IM DOWN AGAIN NOOOOOOOO

[scenic turret]

HOW

[cyan narwhal]

HOW!?

[acoustic ledge]

WTF IS HAPPENING IM SO ENTHRALLED

[lavish flame]

this roller coaster

[unkempt atlas]

A TRAP GOT ME AS SOON AS I GOT UP

LITERALLY AS I GOT UP

[scenic turret]

Y'all I need a stream of this

[lavish flame]

Im on the edge of my seat

[cyan narwhal]

I fear Mocha was right, the DM wants you dead

[unkempt atlas]

Okay I got healed by a kit by a dnpc and im at 1 hp

[acoustic ledge]

so gwyn he lives and the boss is dead

[stuck shuttle]

Wait a minute how did greater restoration work of you failed your death saves 😭

[scenic turret]

You'll soon learn that I'm always right

[cerulean monolith]

I hate to be a party pooper but

1. Greater Restoration doesn’t revive people, nor does it even heal
2. Please don’t use all caps it messes with screen readers
3. This story definitely spawns some confusion and honestly moves a little too fast in updates to seem real to me

[lavish flame]

I'm being hunted down by a Marut as we speak

[unkempt atlas]

Its a unicorn horn, homebrew item, if im less than a minute after death it could save me

[scenic turret]

Don't ruin the vibes

[unkempt atlas]

Can be used once per day

[lavish flame]

this guy NetHacks

[stuck shuttle]

I guess with the power of a DMPC and homebrew anything is possible 😅

[unkempt atlas]

Real

I was actually gonna cry if my character died, Leef

[cyan narwhal]

Soon you say? Are you always right cause it's you or cause you are a girl?

[scenic turret]

✨Magic✨

[unkempt atlas]

Im just happy to not be dead

[scenic turret]

Both….

[cerulean monolith]

I’m sorry? Neither sharing an opinion nor asking people to keep their messages accessible ruins vibes. It’s possible to have fun moments without ignoring concerns or monopolizing discussions.

[acoustic ledge]

im proud of you my monk brother

[cyan narwhal]

Noted, lol

[acoustic ledge]

i always believed in u keegs

[unkempt atlas]

Thank you kryptic

[scenic turret]

You did great Keegs

[acoustic ledge]

1st boss down many more to come

[scenic turret]

What he said

[unkempt atlas]

I seem to get knocked out a lot during combat encounters, we've had like 6 encounters and I've been knocked out in them at least 4 times I think

[cyan narwhal]

Oh boi, It means they will get harder and harder

[vale kettle]

How much hp you got?

[scenic turret]

Now you have a subclass tho…

[unkempt atlas]

I been having it, I'm just dumb and didn't realize

[scenic turret]

Okay chat, this was a lot of fun. I hope the rest of your session goes great Keegs…
But I really need to sleep 😭 my eyes r burning

[acoustic ledge]

at 6th level with open hand u can use wholeness of body to heal yourself

[cyan narwhal]

Good night Mocha

[unkempt atlas]

I just got that, so I will be using it. Just hadn't had the ability to cause i got messed up my second turn

[acoustic ledge]

that comes in clutch also remember quickened healing as well

[unkempt atlas]

I did create an arch nemesis tho a few sessions ago with a bandit leader

[acoustic ledge]

1v1s as a monk are so fun especially when your stunning strikes are hitting

[unkempt atlas]

Dm ended on the biggest cliffhanger and we mad

[acoustic ledge]

classic dm

[unkempt atlas]

BUT, I gained the chains the boss had and I can use them

[acoustic ledge]

like a hook?

[reef tundra]

Chains are an underrated weapon

[unkempt atlas]

I get a +2d8 to my unarmed strikes, can use a bonus action to restrain my target only if they are knocked over, and if they are I get a siphon ability, and all my attacks become magical

[hoary totem]

Get your table a chronurgy wizard and clockwork sorcerer. Give them both lucky and shield and silvery barbs. Have them spam their Restore Balance and Chronal Shift and Convergent Future.

Call them the Clockblockers.

[unkempt atlas]

I wrapped them around my forearms and ill use them like that

[acoustic ledge]

thats busted

[hoary totem]

I'm not sorry

[reef tundra]

Badass

[unkempt atlas]

I got it before the boss fight, and he immediately took me out

[acoustic ledge]

bros monk just became kurapika from hxh

[reef tundra]

Oof. Yeah I’ve been there before

[cyan narwhal]

Funny how my brothers were watching hxh yesterday and It was an episode with kurapika lol

[unkempt atlas]

If they are chained down, they have to make a strength check of 16 or above, and when they are chained down they cannot escape in anyway

[acoustic ledge]

holy controller

[unkempt atlas]

Its so busted but I needed it so bad with how quickly I go down

[reef tundra]

Oh dayum. What class are you again? Monk?

[unkempt atlas]

Yes

So I can use fury of blows, topple, then restrain

[acoustic ledge]

throw a stunning strike in first and everyones cooked

[tidal bough]

2d8 is insanely strong regardless of the level

[reef tundra]

Monk is a second-line fighter, try using hit and run tactics or keeping other allies closer to the enemy forces than you

[tidal bough]

Thats more than a greatsword (this is on top of the base damage)

[acoustic ledge]

plus a siphon effect? this monk is going places

[tidal bough]

How experienced is the dm bahahaha

[unkempt atlas]

Very

[tidal bough]

Interesting... and what level is this monk?

[unkempt atlas]

Im 6

[reef tundra]

Oh dayum

[unkempt atlas]

AND we do have a red dragon wyrmling in our party

[reef tundra]

WHAT

[acoustic ledge]

im new whats that?

[reef tundra]

Baby dragon

[acoustic ledge]

BABY DRAGON?

[cyan narwhal]

Homebrew stuff always go crazy

[reef tundra]

That DM is one of the most merciful I have ever seen. I love it!

[unkempt atlas]

We freed him from fairies, he tried to kill us and we restrained him

[acoustic ledge]

tbf he did just almost murder bros character at level 6

[cyan narwhal]

First round, by throwing in lava

[unkempt atlas]

Ive almost died in the 4/6 encounters we've had

[tidal bough]

Hmm so 4 attacks for 3d8+(we'll assume 3 from dex) for avg 16.5 dmg per attack or avg 46 dmg per round assuming no crits

[reef tundra]

Good point

[unkempt atlas]

If I could roll good then yes

[reef tundra]

What’s your con modifier?

[stuck shuttle]

Well baby in age relative to a dragon's life cycle. Wyrmlings are fairly smart (red ones are evil too)

[acoustic ledge]

plus a potential stunning strike, topple, and a siphon effect from the chains right?

[tidal bough]

Assuming its maxed out dmg with no crits itd be 27 per attack or 108 damage in a single round

[unkempt atlas]

....0

[feral fulcrum]

Well there's ya problem

[unkempt atlas]

But it is at 11

[reef tundra]

Oh…

[feral fulcrum]

More con is more gooder.

[tidal bough]

Or if you get giga lucky you crit on every attack and its a max of 204 in a round

[reef tundra]

Next ASI buff up your con, and be more evasive and defensive

[unkempt atlas]

My strength is +3 and at base 16

[tidal bough]

Evasive defensive and healthier

[reef tundra]

Like I said, monks are second line fighters, so don’t be putting yourself at the front

[tidal bough]

Oh you went a str monk not a dex?

[unkempt atlas]

And my dex is 19 +4

[stuck shuttle]

You're a monk with a strength investment???

[unkempt atlas]

.....Is that bad?

[tidal bough]

Nvm its a dex monk but w/ str bahahaha

[stuck shuttle]

They don't use it for pretty much anything

[tidal bough]

Its not bad but its not great

[unkempt atlas]

This is my first campaign😭

[reef tundra]

It’s not bad, but monks just don’t really need it

[tidal bough]

You dont have any real strength usage or scaling

[stuck shuttle]

That 16 could've been put into your con lmao

[tidal bough]

It would be better to have a 16 in con

[feral fulcrum]

It's not bad, just not optimal. Strength is basically a dump stat unless you're going out of you way to grapple a bunch, or doing a bunch of Athletics checks on the regular. Or are using Heavy weapons. Dex does everything Strength does, except for Grapples, and it governs the most common and needed Save (Every AOE spell and effect ever is Dex save for half damage.), AC, Attacks.

[tidal bough]

Then youd have a +3 to ac and a +18 to hp

[unkempt atlas]

Damn, I thought it would affect my strikes cause im proficient in unarmed fighting

My AC is already 19

[stuck shuttle]

Did you read the monk class page?

[tidal bough]

Monks can use dex for attacks

[reef tundra]

It’s no problem, we’ve all been there before

[tidal bough]

From what? Bahahaha im genuinely confused how

Plate armor?

[unkempt atlas]

Its base was 17, I got bracers of defense, I have no armor

[stuck shuttle]

Are you a tortle?

[tidal bough]

^

[unkempt atlas]

Im an Orc

[reef tundra]

Unarmoured defense

[stuck shuttle]

How is your base AC 17 then?

[tidal bough]

How tf is your base 17 with a con of 11

[reef tundra]

What’s your wisdom mod? I’m assuming +3

[unkempt atlas]

Yes

[reef tundra]

Monks use wisdom for their unarmoured defence

[tidal bough]

Wait it uses wis nvm

We good bahahaha

[stuck shuttle]

Yeah the "base" specification tripped me up since that's only used in a few scenarios

[unkempt atlas]

Some of my stats are good guys i swear😭

[reef tundra]

Well. The high AC and presumably good sage bonuses are good. Just buff up your con next time and you should be good to go

[tidal bough]

And what subclass are you?

Im honestly surprised that a dm would give 2d8 additional dmg on each hit

[unkempt atlas]

Warrior of the open hand

[tidal bough]

You're leagues above with just that change

[feral fulcrum]

As your Dex is higher, your Dex effects your Unarmed Strikes, I mean you could also use Strength, but you'd have a lower damage and hit chance. Unarmed Strikes are Strength Based, but Monks, and Only Monks can use Dex instead.

[reef tundra]

I will die defending this subclass I like it

[tidal bough]

Oh then again it could be that theyre cursed chains

If I were to give an op item id make them cursed

[unkempt atlas]

Guys im really bad at using my other skills besides unarmed strike and fury of blows i think thats also my problem

[novel ridge]

Hi what’s everyone’s moral alignment ?

[reef tundra]

Irl I’d say I’m neutral good. Or at least I try to be

[lavish flame]

Awesome Good

[acoustic ledge]

chaotic good

[unkempt atlas]

Neutral good, Leef tries his best to be better than who he was in his past

[novel ridge]

Which is more justice ? Lawful good or neutral good? I want to be the better one bc one is more care of the law but the other cares more abt the people

[knotty pasture]

Most people are probably lawful neutral irl tbf

[tidal bough]

Open hand is built around flurry

[feral fulcrum]

If you played a better subclass you wouldn't Die When Killed.

[knotty pasture]

All are signs of justice, the lawful vs chaotic scale does not affect how good or evil you are

[novel ridge]

Actually more would be chaotic neutral cus alots of them hates rules and want to do the things they want which makes them happy

Or even true neutral(just neutral)

[stuck shuttle]

Lawful would tend to respect laws more, though that doesn't mean they would respect every law.

[knotty pasture]

Well no cuz if we're mostly chaotic neutral we wouldn't respect the law at all or do the bare minimum

[tidal bough]

But just topple them so you get adv on your attacks

[unkempt atlas]

I am nervous to go to our main destination, because the main kingdom we are going to is at war with a Legion of Orcs

[novel ridge]

Yes that’s true, I mean in the game most would be chaotic neutral

[unkempt atlas]

And I am one (only the dm knows but I used to be a general in one of the armies of the legion of orcs they are at war with)

[lavish flame]

i think the average person basically ranges from Lawful Good to Neutral Good. Most people like, or are neutral about law and civilization and its benefits and detriments. Most people also don't really do evil shit, at worst its bad stuff.

[novel ridge]

Speaking of civilization does anyone know the game Civ? In Civ5 who’s the most lawful good leader is it Haile Salessie (Ethiopia) leader?

[reef tundra]

Legality and morality aren’t always aligned

[feral fulcrum]

Taps the D&D Discussion sign

[unkempt atlas]

There are 4 people in our party, a noble sorcerer (dnpc), a wyrmling that can turn into a dragonborn barbarian (dnpc), a dragonborn rogue (pc) and an Orc monk (pc)

[knotty pasture]

Your table has two dmpcs and two pcs?

[unkempt atlas]

Yes

[knotty pasture]

Wait why do you even need two dms in a 3-4 person campaign

[unkempt atlas]

What? Theres 2 players (me and my friend) and one dm

[knotty pasture]

You said there's two dmpcs, or is your dm controlling both dmpcs

[lavish flame]

are these guys like sidekicks or are they also members of ur justice league

[unkempt atlas]

Well, yes I think, he does the voices for them and me and my friend do their combat encounters

The noble is a sidekick for now, he might leave hs when we make it to the kingdom, but the wyrmling is staying with us (I think)

[reef tundra]

I was about to call the wyrmling a party pet and not a DMPC but then I remembered that dragons are actually smart and have human thought so nvm

[unkempt atlas]

Hes trying to create a horde for himself so we are helping him, so I think hes staying with us?

[feral fulcrum]

I think there's a distinct difference between an NPC accompanying the Party, and a DMPC.

[humble cairn]

Seems cynical to me. I feel like most people are generally Lawful Good. Maybe Neutral Good.

[lavish flame]

yo same Ophid

[reef tundra]

Don’t let definitions become stretched, people

[feral fulcrum]

One is fine and leaves everything pretty much to the Party, the Other is just the DM as another Player Charecter and gets in the way of the rest of the party's decisions more often then not.

[unkempt atlas]

This is my first time playing so idk

[humble cairn]

People generally have a decent level of empathy for like .. pets, let alone other people.

[knotty pasture]

If we strip away most laws, would people continue to do good or start flirting with dubious things

[reef tundra]

I could start quoting the joker rn

[knotty pasture]

There is decency in people but imo its also because of laws encouraging us to do good

[humble cairn]

Generally good, mostly for their own communities, but that's still good leaning.

And most people would establish rules for their communities, even without a larger government standing over them.

[cyan narwhal]

I hear too many bad things about people misstreating animals and other people to believe that's the case

[humble cairn]

Because horror stories are sensationalized.

Go out and actually meet people, the majority are just decent.

[stuck shuttle]

Eh people tend to share and remember bad things more than good things, especially when it makes for shocking news

[humble cairn]

Mobs of people .. maybe not as decent.

But mob mentality is a whole other thing.

[stuck shuttle]

Something something "man is smart, people are dumb"

[unkempt atlas]

I hope they stay though, cause we wouldn't have been able to beat the last 4 combat encounters without them

[reef tundra]

Alignment talks are always such a slippery slope 😭

[lavish flame]

Culturally in D&D spaces, "DMPC" has a negative connotation. Its often used to mean something like "the main character" or "the PC the DM wishes they could be playing". There's not really a solid word for "NPC ally who is temporarily or permanently a party member". 5e eventually made rules for Sidekicks, which are for exactly this. I've always used the term Sidekick, but it never really caught on.

[feral fulcrum]

I should watch MIB again...

[unkempt atlas]

I think the noble sorcerer might be a sidekick cause he did level up with us the last time we did

[humble cairn]

Thus goes DND discussion. As long a people are generally following the rules, it's fine.

[reef tundra]

I know, I wasn’t trying to shut it down

[unkempt atlas]

But idk with the wyrmling cause he technically doesn't have a sheet cause yk... its a wyrmling

[knotty pasture]

Everything can have a sheet

[cyan narwhal]

Imagine if the wyrmling will actually be the final boss of the campaign

[novel ridge]

Do most player follows the rules atleast? If so they would be lawful mostly or neutral atleast otherwise if not then chaotic

Chaotic evil is the worst hopefully most people aren’t like that

[knotty pasture]

Bhaalists are fun

[novel ridge]

I don’t believe barbarians are the only one that are chaotic evil and also hopefully they are atleast chaotic neutral not evil

[cyan narwhal]

rogue class enters the chat

[humble cairn]

Barbarians do not have to be chaotic evil, though? What?

[unkempt atlas]

We just use the actual in book page for him

[humble cairn]

Any class can be any alignment.

[novel ridge]

No bc I don’t play D&D I’m not familiar with this

[knotty pasture]

I'm offended, my poor Dwarf Barb is designed to be Lawful Good from the very start smh

[lavish flame]

shoot man, i'd say I play the game in a Lawful Good way. I employ a healthy use of the rules because I'm aware of how they make fun happen.

I'm famiar with games that are.. probably Chaotic Neutral at worst tbh. I hate playing calvinball when I sign up for D&D. It happens bizarrely often.

[unkempt atlas]

My dragonborn rogue would be devastated cause he loves him

[knotty pasture]

Is that why you jumped into a dnd chat asking non dnd stuff lol

[reef tundra]

I find lawful evil to be the worst, because they can snake their way out of justice. With chaotic evil people they’re easier to get a just cause to lock up

[novel ridge]

I apologize bc I really don’t know this

[humble cairn]

Try #dnd-newcomers

[reef tundra]

Why are you here? 😭

[novel ridge]

Are you talking about me?

[knotty pasture]

Yes

[lavish flame]

to... learn D&D guys?

[novel ridge]

Bc I’m into moral alignment

[knotty pasture]

Does it look like he's learning dnd lol, he jumps in and immediately focuses on the alignment system and... civ 5?

[lavish flame]

... yes? this is par for the course?

[knotty pasture]

That gives off the same energy as me jumping into dnd and immediately focusing on the history of glaives

[unkempt atlas]

Is it uh, smart to be apart of 2 campaigns as a first time player?

[lavish flame]

I don't see why not

Hell, if you're young, get your playing in now

[unkempt atlas]

Sweet, its kinda funny cause I like my Orc monk so much I copied his sheet and made him as a twin brother to my other Orc😭

[stuck shuttle]

TBF D&D's alignment system is, imo, very generalist and condenses only a small aspect of what morality is. The system is descriptive, not prescriptive anyway so it's not like a lawful good character has to do good and follow laws 100% of the time

[stuck shuttle]

If you have the time and resources to be in 2 campaigns go for it, more experience and fun is always good!

[lavish flame]

Yeah, its not a strongly built system. Its got its own weirdness. Its a huge bird's eye view of a person's conduct.

[reef tundra]

If you can do it, then go ahead! Last year I was involved in five at once

[unkempt atlas]

What is better is one campaign is online and the other is in person

[reef tundra]

That is subjective, imo

[unkempt atlas]

The online one we had one session and in person we've had 5

[reef tundra]

Some people prefer online, some people prefer irl

[unkempt atlas]

I just mean it feels better balanced having one of each

[lavish flame]

try it both ways and see what you like

I like online play for certain things (VTTs, no need to travel, etc.). I like in-person for certain things (crosstalk, whispering, hanging out, etc.)

[unkempt atlas]

Heck yeah

[feral fulcrum]

I mean, if you start D&D, and then hyperfixate on the history of a neat, niche weapon, more power to you? It's certainly a more relevant tangent then suddenly talking about Civilization. But then again, I'm a fan of hilariously indepth histories of random things.

[novel ridge]

Btw I can get into D&D im willing to learn abt even tho I never played and I already knew some stuffs like the the knight, barbarian all that stuff

[knotty pasture]

No like my point isn't random topics vaguely related to dnd, my point is that if that is the first thing to focus on, are you really here to get into dnd or is it just a convenient platform to spark debate/discussion

[novel ridge]

Then I won’t debate, I’ll get into it

[snow zephyr]

Is there any veracity to the rumors about 6e? Any confirmed news or anything like that?

[covert root]

Seems quite baseless given we have a roadmap for 5.5E content.

[humble cairn]

None

[snow zephyr]

That's unfortunate, but not surprising

[humble cairn]

They even only just started calling it "5.5" based on that moniker's popularity.

[humble cairn]

Unfortunate?

[snow zephyr]

5e has been around for 12 years, though we did get a 5.5. I was hoping to see something new on the horizon. A bit of hope that 5.5 is a soft play test for 6th

[green mirage]

I'm happy that I can buy old second hand books and having them be mostly relevant

[hot gate]

Yeah, 5e is in a really good spot right now, I don't see any need to rock the boat.

Especially since 2024 was very recently

[reef tundra]

I saw 5.5e as a new dawn already. I think it’ll be several more years or even a decade before 6e

[marble lion]

I honestly wish new editions never came

[green mirage]

Chat, how do you feel about having a character in a good aligned party, to simplify, turn evil. How would you handle that

[covert root]

I quite like '24 and would prefer it just stick.

[reef tundra]

Although there’s only one edition I need - AD&D (Amity D&D 😎)

[snow zephyr]

I do hope we at least get more planechase stuff to make the alignment system a little more relevant

[marble lion]

New editions arent needed at all

[hot gate]

Probably pre-discuss that with all players and the DM.

[marble lion]

The only thing that matters is releasing modules etc no?

[reef tundra]

If new editions didn’t come, then I and millions of other people would have never picked this game up and fallen in love with it

[marble lion]

Why?
Why does it need to be a new dnd?

[reef tundra]

But also let’s be honest if dnd kept the rules of it’s very first edition then… it wouldn’t be as good tbh

[snow zephyr]

It's something you do with players you trust

[hot gate]

If an edition is getting long in the tooth, you'll also get the issue of new people having to deal with a crazy amount of content.

[covert root]

I think they meant that we don't need a new one after this recent one. We're in a good spot.

[reef tundra]

Ohhhh. My b

[marble lion]

1st e was a mess
3.5 or 5 could have just stayed

People will always houserule stuff, no need for a book to say youre right

[green mirage]

Sometimes

[covert root]

While that is true, a sense of what's official is a common ground. I can reliably join other tables and know, "Oh, this will be consistent."

[marble lion]

It just splits people and forces more money spent

[green mirage]

Having professional game designers double check your rule is useful, especially if you play with a lot of strangers

[snow zephyr]

I do like the expansions for 3e/4e in regards to the book of vile darkness and the book of exalted deeds. I'd like to see something like that in 5.5.

[green mirage]

True

[knotty pasture]

You say that but there's still some exploits that would break the game if we take everything by RAW

[marble lion]

Why do ppl want to buy more necessary books and read more changed rules is the part im not following

[snow zephyr]

That's why we have stuff like AL

[knotty pasture]

Collecting books is fun /s

[marble lion]

Yes but not just to keep up with this financial scheme

[snow zephyr]

Because my bookshelf hasn't collapsed yet and I'm trying to find critical mass

[cyan narwhal]

That's why i buy as little as i can about dnd, if i find stuff online, that's It, no need to buy it

[drifting zodiac]

...hey that is my favourite hobby

[marble lion]

I like it too

[drifting zodiac]

Pen and paper as they say

[cyan narwhal]

That's enough for me lol

[echo meteor]

did bugbears lose its ability to sneak attack and got grapple instead?

[flint ledge]

I mean from a business standpoint yeah they're gonna keep releasing stuff and make new rulebooks they kinda want more money

[marble lion]

Absolutely

[flint ledge]

Did bugbear get printed in a new book?

[marble lion]

I just wonder why its anticipated in some regards

[feral fulcrum]

You do realize that things become stale and boring after a while, right?

[echo meteor]

bugbear WARRIOR got printed

"bugbear" itself didnt

[flint ledge]

Oh you mean from the Monster Manual or?

[marble lion]

Yes but not how you calculate spellslots or the hide action works etc

[lavish flame]

Bugbear Stalker and Bugbear Warrior are in the 5.5e Monster Manual

[covert root]

Dark Sun looks promising in terms of new stuff; it can't come soon enough.

[marble lion]

There thats new thats good

[humble cairn]

Not me, I wish alignment to basically go away.

[marble lion]

Content, not just another reset of the same thing

[flint ledge]

I mean I don't see a need to change the species bugbear I mean monsters and species are different all the time

[green mirage]

In my IRL campaign we had a pc succumb to a curse they'd been dealing with, which lead to the character committing a horrible act, this lead to confrontation with the party, and as he kept giving into darker urges it prompted the group to attempt an exorcism (which is a mechanic of the settng we're playing). But it was all to late, and as we were tracing the magic circle around our former comrade, his body twisted into a monstrous form.
And this is how we fought a werebeast controlled by our friend, while the master took a day off from running combat.

[echo meteor]

but they arent "bugbear"

[covert root]

I don't know what all the fuss is over alignment. It's just an approximation for where someone leans that can shift and meander.

[green mirage]

It could have been handled better but the party was excited about this development

[silk hare]

tbh for me its more a "what kind of person were they at the beginning"

• I REALLY dont like alignment dictating peoples actions throughout a campaign

thats how you get people doing dumb/ bad stuff "bc their character would do that"

[humble cairn]

Yeah, approximate enough that it's not useful and in fact it contributes to a lot of misunderstandings at the table.

[green mirage]

I think some people community struggle with inflexible thinking and can take it a bit too strictly

[daring agate]

is the dnd online voice world particularly kind to ppl on the younger side of things

[covert root]

It shouldn't dictate at all; you play the character, so nothing's stopping you from changing the label where it feels you've had a significant change in perspective.

[flint ledge]

Though at my table I did change the creature types we saw in the new Monster manual like making goblins fey

[humble cairn]

It's officially not even supposed to do that, it is only supposed to describe your choices and actions, not control or dictate anything at all.

But the fact that people still think it controls your character rather than the other way around is yet another misunderstanding at the table.

[covert root]

This, literally this. It shouldn't be this complicated to understand.

[silk hare]

exactly my point, but many people take it to be not that

[green mirage]

The alignment table used to be mechanically relevant though

[humble cairn]

This constant misunderstanding about it makes it an active detriment to the hobby.

[green mirage]

Tied to your class even

[flint ledge]

I suppose depends on where you're looking for there's plenty of older groups but there's also younger ones

[silk hare]

100% agreed

[humble cairn]

And the less it is mechanically relevant to the character sheet, the better.

Alignment is so badly explained in 5E that new players have to go online to find out how to actually use the system. Online they find that there is a different opinion for each "veteran" player out there. Leading the new player to have to basically do a mini research paper sifting through the various essays online to hammer out their own understanding. This time would be better spent playing. Furthermore, Alignment has led to so many game breaking and table ending fights that its value as a system is in the negative in my opinion. I think it's actively harmful to the hobby.

[pliant sapphire]

Alignment still mechanically releveant for spells like Spirit Guardians

[silk hare]

I mean thats up to the dm imo + alignment IS subject to change

[humble cairn]

They had a system that worked better in the 2014 PHB. One that allowed you to be flexible and customize your own character's personality: PBIF (Personality, Bonds, Ideals, Flaws)

[silk hare]

if someone is good alignment but still want to use the fiendish part, sure bro why not, spell be spelling, magic go brrr

[green mirage]

I think morality is cheapened by describing it through alignment personally. In reality people act in according to principles and circumstances, this is why discussion about alignment is often pretty confused

[flint ledge]

I mean you could use both no?

[humble cairn]

And why Alignment is a bad system.

[covert root]

Isn't that just sitting in the regular sheet?