dnd-discussion

[stiff rock]

Our reward for getting an achievement is a special inspiration that lets us roll any check with advantage, and double the highest result

[glad arch]

so youre telling me nat 40?

[stiff rock]

"Ah damn there was a missable achievement in the last area, can we restart the campaign?"

[stiff rock]

Pretty much lol

[glad arch]

okay youre level 1, you just tried to sneak what did you roll. I rolled a 48, does he see me?

[stiff rock]

Nat 20+11, with an achievement inspiration, you roll a 62

Pretty sure anything's possible with a 62

[glad arch]

it doubles the modifier too? thats an insane buff

[stiff rock]

The achievements are pretty hard to come by and it's not a very narratively deep campaign

[tall forge]

Are you not saving?!

[glad arch]

one of those thing id be afraid to use because what if i need it in a more difficult spot

[stiff rock]

So there aren't many big ramifications for us getting a free nat 40

[stiff rock]

I'm a hoarder so yeah definitely me too

[spring light]

Hoarder? Yes, I do need more dice and minis.

[stiff rock]

Our DM makes us play honour mode 🥺

[tall forge]

Oh you poor soul….

[stiff rock]

Minis are something I can't let myself buy because if I will acthay bankrupt myself

[glad arch]

i got a single mini of my current character

that and like 8 dice sets rn

still a small hoarder

[stiff rock]

We use legos for our minis which is great because one of our players has an entire closet full of lego

And we have enough bricks to make a decent 60ftx60ft square worth of battlemap + a few simple props

[glad arch]

our dm has used free 3d printed assets to get minis for most people (including me intitially) but offered to print a minifig if we gave him the stl file. so for christmas i got a heroforge stl of my character

[stiff rock]

Oh yeah no if I had a 3d printer I would never stop making minis

[glad arch]

its so great for dnd

one of the high end DM 'must' haves

[stiff rock]

If I was a millionaire I would run the craziest dnd campaign ever

Imagine having an unlimited budget for maps, minis, props, and a whole dedicated room and gaming table

I'd be complete

[glad arch]

ive seen some crazy dnd set ups and id love to play with stuff like that

sadly me and my friends are uni students, were not exactly known to be a wealthy population group

[stiff rock]

My local game store has a really nice d&d room

[glad arch]

but we get by really decently, dm has bought a lot of stuff himself that helps run his games and prints a lot of terrain and minifigs

[tall forge]

If only i was a trillionaire

[stiff rock]

Over my year of playing I've pretty much only gained a DM screen (besides books)

[tall forge]

I would fund all the dnd nerds of the world…..

[stiff rock]

I'd start a gofundme website just for d&d stuff and fund it all myself

[glad arch]

gofundme for my crippling dnd addiction, if i reach 20k in donations we'll finally be able to play

-# for mod purposes imma clarify i dont actually have a gofundme

[stiff rock]

How many people do you think would actually donate to a gofundme for snazzy d&d props lol

[tall forge]

If i reach a bajillion shmeckles ill be able to make 3d models of all my players and do dnd in vr

[glad arch]

for regular people probably not much, theres this group of youtuber that did a gofundme for their dnd campaign and they got hella funding

[tall forge]

If you mean journey for the quest

Not an actual dnd game

[glad arch]

i meant minmaxed but thats another good example

[stiff rock]

Speaking of, minmaxxed episode 1 actually came out today

[glad arch]

their gofundme was for animation right?

[tall forge]

An Animated series

[glad arch]

wait it did? shit i havent been keeping up with the news. imma have to watch that soon

[glad arch]

still peak

[tall forge]

Dnds mainstream now 😎 (it has been for like a decade)

[stiff rock]

I think baldur's gate 3 winning the game awards shot d&d pretty far into the public sphere

[tall forge]

Its just a line of multiple incidents

[stiff rock]

Prior to playing baldur's gate i assumed d&d was just this crazy difficult nerd culture game (which it is, but now I know it's cool nerd stuff)

[tall forge]

Critical role, stranger things, then BG3

It all stacked upon eachother

[stiff rock]

Tbh i'd never even heard of critical role until I started playing

[tall forge]

As well as the general “5e is beginner friendly”

[severe rampart]

Well... Stranger Things doesn't really portray DnD all that well

[glad arch]

and society being generally more accepting to 'weird' stuff

[tall forge]

Bc it had a lot of famous voice actors it became very easy for video game nerds to find

[glad arch]

youre probably a lot less likely to catch slack nowadays for playing a 'nerd game' then you used to

[tall forge]

Didnt need to

[glad arch]

big show that mentioned dnd, all you need

[tall forge]

Yep

[stiff rock]

The best way it portrays d&d is that all the evils are named after d&d things lol

[glad arch]

just enough to get people in the door

[glad arch]

they 'play'... like once or twice

[tall forge]

Ie. Say you like overwatch and are a mcree main. You look into this matter mercer guy, and he does a podcast?

[severe rampart]

Vecna from Stranger Things is nothing like Vecna in DnD, but I get what you mean

[stiff rock]

Although coming into stranger things as a d&d fan i don't like that none of the monsters are actually relevant to what they're named after

[tall forge]

I think it’s fine

[glad arch]

demogorgon being cannon fodder vs dnd accurate demogorgon being an actual boss level monster

[stiff rock]

Mind flayers, vecna, demogorgon are all completely different things in d&d

[tall forge]

But the creators could look at ALL into what actual dnd is like lmao

[woven flint]

Demogorgon in D&D is a world ending threat by himself lol

[severe rampart]

Also the fact that there weren't more PC deaths in ||stranger things|| is insane

[tall forge]

Just bad writing

[stiff rock]

And also all the inaccuracies surrounding the 'classes' that some of the characters portray

[severe rampart]

I stand by that they should've 100% lost

[stiff rock]

Agreed

[tall forge]

Also the fact that some of the classes wouldnt have existed back then

[stiff rock]

That's the inaccuracy I was on about lol yeah

[lavish flame]

are we pretending like they were pushovers in Stranger Things

[severe rampart]

Also I think only like 0.00001% of Stranger Things fans actually got into DnD

[tall forge]

Oh i thought you meant how the classes werent even accurate to the characrers

Like how whats his name should realistically be more of a warlock

[glad arch]

depends if they were attacking a main character or random soldier

[severe rampart]

If I remember correctly they were killed by a kid with a shotgun right?

Or at least, one of them

[glad arch]

no regular human would be able to kill a dnd demogorgon though

[tall forge]

No regular human kills like, 90% of the monster manual

[woven flint]

Truth.

[glad arch]

im suprised thats not higher

[tall forge]

Im being generous

And guns are pretty op

[severe rampart]

They mostly can kill the insects and familiars

[stiff rock]

The last season kinda trivialised them in the sense that there were about 20 of them per scene and they were more like minions, whereas demogorgon in FR is like a world-ending threat and iirc is a demon lord

[woven flint]

And other humanoids!
Afterall, humans are good at kill humans

[glad arch]

you know the humanoid is gonna win this matchup every time

[woven flint]

He's the current "ruler" of the Abyss as well, he overthrew the last ruler, who, I believe.. was Dagon? 🤔

[glad arch]

are dnd demogorgon and vecna related?

[stiff rock]

HP is really messy if you try and ground it in realism. A standard guy has 4hp and can be killed in one hit by a dagger, whereas a pirate has nearly 10x that

[woven flint]

Not at all, no

[lavish flame]

3 of them take out the military base, we onpy ever see like 3 of them in the season

[glad arch]

its the sea air, makes you tough

[woven flint]

Vecna has made dealings with Asmodeus, though. Once upon a time

[stiff rock]

They've eaten so much sawdust they've physically hardened

[glad arch]

exactly

[stiff rock]

I watched it 2 months ago so my memory may be hazy, but i remember there's ||3 of them at the military based alongside vecna, plus the one in the tunnels, plus the one chasing the van with the kids in right? ~5 demogorgons (by d&d stats) could do a lot more than take down a military base.|| it just feels like, even besides the comparison, the demogorgons in the final season felt like minions whereas the earlier seasons portrayed them as an ultimate threat

[woven flint]

Demogorgon as a Demon Lord would be appalled
Or Amused
Or both
Maybe depends on the head you're talking to..

Aameul and Hethradiah.
Yeah, that was the names of the heads respectively

Its funny
Aameul, Hethradiah..
And as the whole being themselves, they're Demogorgon

Three whole names for one fella

[severe rampart]

Also Vecna losing to a bunch of teenagers? yeah right

[tall forge]

Entire ending was rushed

Nonetheless, i gotta figure out how my party is gonna kill a mortal mid-ascension to god-hood

So i myself dont have that problem

[severe rampart]

Ascend another to a god

[tall forge]

Forced ascension is sorta how this original mortal god became evil

Godhood in my setting opens your mind to every single prayer sent your way

My players started the apocalypse as a very powerful cleric was injected with god juice

Tldr im not bringing cats to kill the rats, then we have a cat infestation

PRAYER CANNON

[woven flint]

Introducing

The Godcleaver, a Great Axe that when it hits a Deity can make them susceptible to mortal attacks

[tall forge]

i have my answer

[glad arch]

thats why you bring dogs to take care of the cats

[tall forge]

And who takes care of the dogs?

[glad arch]

the wolfs obviously

[woven flint]

The humans, because we can them keep the dogs

[severe rampart]

Tokii, humans are horrible people

That is the last thing I think I'll bring

[tall forge]

Anyway im gonna make a prayer cannon that shoots concentrated prayers

[woven flint]

That's a generalization, for certain.
Not all humans are horrible people.

[glad arch]

get a taste of godhood

just make it a megaphone

[tall forge]

Thisll also incentivize my players even more to save people

More people they put in the prayer box, more damage itll do

Yes… ive solved all 3 of my unbeatable boss fights

1.god
2. God but evil
3. Tpk island

[stiff rock]

i love the idea of a pest control service and it's just a bunch of druids who wild shape into the best animal to kill said pest

[tall forge]

I love the idea of a pest control service and its a bunch of druids who summon animals to kill said pests

Making the problem significantly worse

[knotty vine]

god but evil

[tawdry sentinel]

While also wild shaping into the pests.

Solving problems of their own creation. An elaborate con.

[stiff rock]

imagine pissing off a druid on a the wrong day and he just summons an insect plague on your field

[woven flint]

I don't think many Druids would agree to do such a thing

[tall forge]

That’s the common evil druid

[glad arch]

group of druids pulling a con, few of them wildshape into pests then another one comes in to 'remove' them

[stiff rock]

rogue/druid multiclass:

[glad arch]

their pest control is unbeatable by anyone else in the town

[tall forge]

So are their pests

[woven flint]

I had an Evil Druid!
His mother abandoned him to the wilds as a young child and it built in resentment so powerful, that it got the attention of the Evil Nature Deity Malar turned him less than human (Into a Dhampir) and he became a devoted fanatic of Malars, who ALSO wants to destroy civilization as we know it

[glad arch]

someone else tries to get rid of the druid pest and suddenly the rat casts fireball

-# i know druids cant cast in wildshape

[woven flint]

High level ones can

[stiff rock]

moon druids get a few castable spells? rat casts moonbeam

[knotty vine]

polymorph is a 4th level spell

[glad arch]

some tough pests we got around the town

[woven flint]

They.. still can't cast in Polymorph either lol

[knotty vine]

druids do get polymoprh wdym?

[stiff rock]

you can't cast or concentrate on spells while you're wild shaped or polymorphed is what they mean

[woven flint]

Yes, but they can't CAST while being in Wildshape or being Polymorphed is what I mean

[knotty vine]

ohh

[glad arch]

wait you can concentrate cant you?

[knotty vine]

i mean they can while in wild shape only at level 18 or something

[stiff rock]

i swear wild shaping breaks concentration

[knotty vine]

it doesnt

[stiff rock]

at that point there's better things to do than turn into a rat and fireball people lol

[glad arch]

thats one of the druid techs, cast a concentration spell then bonus action wildshape

[woven flint]

A Druid was my longest running character, I played him for a year and a half
I'm qualified to speak on Druids 🧐 /silly

[knotty vine]

it only mentions you cant cast spells while wild shaped

[stiff rock]

most my knowledge of the druid rules come from being really confused and/or annoyed by them while DMing

[small heath]

You can’t cast spells, and your ability to speak or take any action that requires hands is limited to the capabilities of your beast form. Transforming doesn’t break your concentration on a spell you’ve already cast, however, or prevent you from taking actions that are part of a spell, such as call lightning, that you’ve already cast.

[stiff rock]

ah alright thanks for the clarification

[knotty vine]

bingo

but in 2024 you keep your ability to speak ion wildshape

[woven flint]

Yes, but you still can't cast if you're Polymorphed into a beast, particularly because you can't SPEAK

[small heath]

Yes. That's really the main change between '14 and '24 wild shape directly. However in '24 you have Wild Resurgence which basically allows you to become near immortal

[knotty vine]

i mean if you were to turn someone else into a rat then you can turn into a horse or something

[knotty vine]

it really doesnt the temp hp really starts to fall off by level 8ish

could be fun if you somehowgot armor of ag through

[woven flint]

Also, Also, LITERALLY In Polymorphs text: "The target is limited in the actions it can perform by the anatomy of its new form, and it can’t speak or cast spells."

[small heath]

Extended content exists which many people use these days that pairs insanely well with wild resurgence

[knotty vine]

like what

[spring light]

...so i can polymorph someone into a mute person...

[knotty vine]

only thing i can really thing of is armor of ag

can i true polymoprh into another player?

[woven flint]

Base Polymorph is specifically turning something into a beast

[spring light]

ask your dm

[glad arch]

humans are beastly right /j

[spring light]

beasts are a different class of creature

[knotty vine]

i still ask myself that question everyday

[glad arch]

you can do that with alter self tbf

[knotty vine]

not really since true gives you the abilities of said person as well

[stiff rock]

if a druid wild shapes into a beast, then you polymorph yourself into that druid (who is a beast), and they un-wildshape, do you stay as a beast or become the humanoid

[glad arch]

as stated a bit ago, you cant polymoprh into a humanoid

[small heath]

Circle of Dragon which uses your base HP as Temp HP added on, then run like an Aasimar with natural resistances to necrotic or Radiant, then potentially pair it with Cult of the Dragon Initiative from Heroes of Faerun which grants you free heroic inspiration if you use the frightened ability it has successfully. If you build around having a crap ton of HP, wild resurgence back to full HP.

[stiff rock]

the druid is a beast while you're polymorphing though

[knotty vine]

temp hp isnt real hp through

[stiff rock]

is circle of the dragon a 2014 thing?

[knotty vine]

its 2024 now since dnd made all 2014 content up to date

[woven flint]

Druids aren't considered Beasts in Wildshape
They're considering their previous creature type

[small heath]

The whole idea is that you have so much HP and can build around stacking resistances that your AC 15 doesn't matter if nothing can one shot your full HP.

[stiff rock]

i know they're cross-compatible, but has it been updated to coincide with the 2024 class changes?

[knotty vine]

yes

[stiff rock]

oh right, in what book?

[knotty vine]

all of the 3rd party books mainly

[stiff rock]

hoping and praying we get a 2024 rerelease of xgte or tasha's this year

[remote wadi]

Not going to lie, I'm both really sad and glad that Guardian is an unofficial Fighter subclass

[knotty vine]

same here

[remote wadi]

Sad because committed tanks are fun, but both flawed and rare

[glad arch]

2024 release in 2026

[remote wadi]

Glad because for some reason, they can hit super high ACs

[stiff rock]

i meant for the 2024 editions of the core rules

[spring light]

source? I want to believe this and just wanna see where it's listed.

[knotty vine]

i agree

i wanna see new shepard druid

[delicate owl]

Read the feature?

[woven flint]

Game Statistics. Your game statistics are replaced by the Beast’s stat block, but you retain your creature type

[remote wadi]

I mean, double shield AC bonus is already a jump, but then you enter a defensive stance that, for all intents and purposes, is an upgraded Withdraw action

[stiff rock]

i'm more interested in seeing how horizon walker and the other ranger subclasses get changed

horizon walker is such a good concept but it kinda lacks mechanics-wise

[spring light]

right in the class feature itself? alright thanks.

[glad arch]

reading it now i dont see where it specifically says that you retain your creature type

[remote wadi]

Level 3 gives you prof bonus to AC during stances, the poor souls who play T4 gameplay also have Str mod bonus to AC

[small heath]

This is the only thing I can find about this (from '14 druid, I haven't looked at my '24 druid):

You retain the benefit of any features from your class, race, or other source and can use them if the new form is physically capable of doing so. However, you can’t use any of your special senses, such as darkvision, unless your new form also has that sense.

[delicate owl]

Look harder

[woven flint]

No problem!
Wildshape is a BUNCH of text, so I don't blame ya lol

[glad arch]

exactly

[delicate owl]

Its in 24', far as I know that's all people talk about unless said otherwise

[stiff rock]

yeah i just read '24, it specifically mentions

[small heath]

Let me check my '24 druid

[grizzled lance]

👁️ how do yall feel about beholders

[glad arch]

so whats the ruling on 2014 druid?

[woven flint]

I'm gonna kick Xanathars Ass

[grizzled lance]

oh yeah?

[woven flint]

Oh.. wait..

[limber trail]

okay but lets circle back to this in like a couple levels

[remote wadi]

Meaning with Plate Armor, shield, and level 18 in the subclass, AC at base is only 22, but becomes 33 with the stance

[woven flint]

I just noticed your name

[small heath]

'14 druid seems to be that it's implied (RAI) you keep your original class stuff. How '24 seems to make it RAW.

[stiff rock]

doesn't mention that you don't change your type

[glad arch]

im sorry ac 33

[stiff rock]

only that you assume the beast's statistics besides retaining your intelligence, wisdom, and charisma scores

[grizzled lance]

why are yall talking about druid

[small heath]

because druids are the best class imo

[hidden trellis]

Why the heck do Artificers not get access to "Deryan's Helpful Homunculi"?

Like Wizards are better crafters or at least have a buddy to cut the time down if they have the money?

[grizzled lance]

looks at roles see sorcerer

[stiff rock]

can't decide whether or not some stuff is doable as a druid on account of being or not being a beast or humanoid

[woven flint]

To clarify
2014 Druid doesn't specify
But 2024 Druid says they retain their creature type

[remote wadi]

With the subclass and a high enough level, yes

Can be done, no specific races or multiclasses

[knotty vine]

thats strange

[grizzled lance]

i aint a big fan of rangers

[small heath]

From '24 Druid:

Your game statistics are replaced by the Beast’s stat block, but you retain your creature type; Hit Points; Hit Point Dice; Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma scores; class features; languages; and feats. You also retain your skill and saving throw proficiencies and use your Proficiency Bonus for them, in addition to gaining the proficiencies of the creature. If a skill or saving throw modifier in the Beast’s stat block is higher than yours, use the one in the stat block.

[stiff rock]

2014 says you do, as your statistics are changed to that of the beast's except for a few specific things (where creature type is not listed)

[hot gate]

Expansion books are usually printed without taking into account any other expansion books you might have.

[stiff rock]

you retain your int, wis, and cha scores and saving throw proficiencies

[woven flint]

I don't think its that weird that you wouldn't become a beast in '24
In Wildshape you're still YOU, also, it's most likely for balancing reasons.

[remote wadi]

Blasphemy

@glad arch Need context for the AC?

[lavish flame]

release order of books

[hidden trellis]

Would most DMs allow Artificers to use this spell? Or basically should Artificers be able to use this?

[glad arch]

Sure id like to see the numbers

[stiff rock]

it's weird that artificer wasn't included in the PHB 2024 despite it being an official class and having already been released with tasha's in 2020

i don't understand why it needed it's own separate book

[grizzled lance]

its because artifcer needed its own book

it needed to be cool or something

[woven flint]

Because Artificer introduces a LOT of things and it's harder to justify not using it in your world if it's a base class option

[stiff rock]

fair enough

[lavish flame]

maybe idk. i dont know if itd matter on an artificer, they already craft stuff incredibly quick

[stiff rock]

i don't see why any DM would explicitly say no but yeah i agree with gwyn

[hidden trellis]

Still having a 50 day craft time halved would be nice

[grizzled lance]

now im purple

[stiff rock]

welcome to purple club

[woven flint]

You're purple now! That's is my attack

[grizzled lance]

what are you from undertale

[stiff rock]

speaking of turning colours, does anyone else get the "you turn blue" WM surge more often than like any other result?

[grizzled lance]

next thing i know im being thrown against all

[stiff rock]

i've rolled probably about 20 times on the WM table and turned blue/turned someone blue a good 7 or 8 times

and then there are some surges i've never seen nor had

[remote wadi]

TLDR: guardian subclass for Fighter
3rd level passive doubles AC bonus for shields
3rd level active allows you to enter a defensive stance as an action: prof bonus added to AC, resistance to all but psychic damage, and disadvantage on ranged attacks, weapon or spell, against a target if said target is directly behind you. Oh, and this doesn't make any disadvantage on your saves

Other goodies involved, but the only other one for AC is Str mod added when in defensive stance starting level 18

18 base from plate
+4 from shield
+6 from lvl 18 prof
+5 minimum from presumably 20 Str

[stiff rock]

i feel like having an AC as ridiculous as 33 nullifies the fact that you're a tank. unless you're actually playing the monsters fairly it's reasonable for them to ignore the guy with a 5% chance to be hit and just go straight for the spellcasters

narratively it would make sense for the melee dudes to just hit the closest, biggest guy, but from a mechanical point the chances to hit are so low that you'd have better odds just taking hits from him as you try to attack the mages

[marble lion]

Enemies with a brain can still narratively decide hes not worth it

[stiff rock]

further emphasising my point

[marble lion]

People tend to go for the easiest target, not the closest
The closest just usually is the easiest, because youd have to run past it first to reach others etc

[marble lion]

Absolutely

Im just saying even fair dms can do this

[stiff rock]

agreed

[remote wadi]

Guardian also has a BA ability. 30 ft radius. Their insight check vs your persuasion, with every failed enemy resulting in disadvantage on any attack roll made against other targets. Saving throws for other targets also have advantage

1+Chr uses, replenishes every rest

[marble lion]

Though i recommend hitting the guy sometimes because were all there to have fun, not to get outsmarted and thrown away

[stiff rock]

still, rolling a 13 with disadvantage is a lot more possible than a 33/nat 20 without

[marble lion]

Is this official?

[remote wadi]

Thank heavens no

[tall forge]

Usually just murdering the guy is better than tanking

Just rpg rules

[remote wadi]

Well, sure

[stiff rock]

yeah no if it came up in a game i would definitely have at least some enemies try lol i'm just giving my point of view of it being utterly pointless to go for an AC that high

[remote wadi]

But you are a fighter. From how many attacks you can make, no rules saying you cant do both

[severe rampart]

would it be a bad idea for a 5 player party to be all full casters

[tall forge]

Me personally, i do it by type of combat

[stiff rock]

i don't think even bacteria could infect you with an ac of 33

[tall forge]

No, not really

[severe rampart]

Great, time to throw them into Curse of Strahd

[remote wadi]

If a spellcaster really needs it, they have Shield spell for this exact reason

[tall forge]

Dumb animals waste time attacking the high ac guy whose closest

Smarter creatures give up after their first 5 attacks miss or something

[stiff rock]

still, my point is that it's more logical for any enemy to just avoid the 33ac guy and go for the others - defeating the point of being a tank

[remote wadi]

Oh, yeah. And that nat 20 you mentioned? They get crit immunity level 16

[tall forge]

Intelligent creatures just attack the squishier people first

[stiff rock]

the disadv bonus action thing is a fair counter to that, but it's still expendable

[grizzled lance]

has anyone seen Sylgar?

[stiff rock]

i'm genuinely glad it's not official

[remote wadi]

They're not going to accomplish much is all I can really say

[grizzled lance]

just use saves

[tall forge]

Its actively going against being a tank

[remote wadi]

Oh, yeah. And on top of this...

[grizzled lance]

saves are the bane of any high AC build lmao

[remote wadi]

Level 10, they also get basically an upgraded version of shield master. That also stacks with shield master

[glad arch]

Atleast paladins lessen that issue a bit

[stiff rock]

intelligence saving throw my beloved❤️

[grizzled lance]

true

[tall forge]

Had a player give a new dm their own HB class that effectively gave them the tough feat twice, and scaled off of constitution

They did literally no damage and never went down

[grizzled lance]

tanks are supposed to be slow but they hit hard and take little to no damage

[remote wadi]

Oh, boy... so those "cool. Roll a dex save moments"...?

[tall forge]

They had a rage mechanic where at half hp they go ballistic and attack randomly

[stiff rock]

i genuinely think one of the worst types of player is the one who uses broken homebrew because the new DM doesn't know any better

[tall forge]

They never once used it bc well…

[grizzled lance]

THIS

[glad arch]

So they got 3x CON mod hp per level?

[grizzled lance]

let me disintegrate them 💢

[tall forge]

Same player against me, in my first dnd campaign i ever dmed, cheated. They rolled 3 “nat 100s” to skip a hells casino thing

[stiff rock]

i had a player when i first started who would lie to me about rules and fudge rolls on his app and i imagine it's about the same feeling as this

[tall forge]

I have a lot of pent up dage

[grizzled lance]

i kinda want someone to use the old mystic class in one of my games just to see how anoying it is

[tall forge]

What a coincidence!

The rage i felt was immeasurable

[stiff rock]

i expeditely removed him once i learnt he'd been lying about literally everything

[remote wadi]

Those AoE spells? They also can provide the benefits of Evasion to anyone behind them in a 15 ft cube with a shield AC bonus to their Dex saves

Oh, and in case anyone forgot, this defensive stance also gives resistances to all but 1 damage type

[tall forge]

That they roll an immediate 100, find out its rigged, then rolled 2 more nat 100s trying to stop the rigging while also getting their “skip this whole arc” mcguffin

[stiff rock]

i love problem players

[tall forge]

R a g e

They hated when we switched to a vtt

[glad arch]

I love hearing ghe stories

[tall forge]

And now, no longer play with em

[stiff rock]

lol yeah i have all my players use physical sheets and dice now

[glad arch]

Just the shear level of wtf are some people doing

[severe rampart]

I hate experiencing it myself

[glad arch]

Oowh yeh i can imagine

[remote wadi]

So not even Dex save spells are a good answer to the Guardian

[tall forge]

The last time we played they played a multiclass consisting of
Artificer, bard, bladesinger wizard, sorcerer

[stiff rock]

i've only ever really had 3 problem players. 1 was the previously mentioned, 2 never showed up to anything and would be on his phone, and 3 had main character syndrome

[tall forge]

They begged for homebrew magic items to let them cast spells bc they literally did nothing

[severe rampart]

all in one character?

[tall forge]

YEP.

[stiff rock]

jack of all trades lol

[marble lion]

I have only 1 problem player

[severe rampart]

master of none

[marble lion]

The others were just new or didnt fit the tone etc

[tall forge]

They couldnt cast anything above 2nd level, at level 12!

[severe rampart]

I've had one problem player, and like, two problem DMs

[severe rampart]

that's their fault

[tall forge]

Yeah, it def was

Blamed it by saying “it works in pathfinder”

Played a pathfinder game with them once, found out no. It does not

[marble lion]

He argued rules, fell asleep midsession, was always late by hours sometimes, drank heavily, had arguments on mic midgame, took the longest turns knowing barely anything, ditched the session several times, and, i cannot stretch this enough, argued the rules

[stoic haven]

I wonder why XD

[stiff rock]

the only campaign i've had as a player was a DM who got into it because of me, so whatever issue i have with him is an issue i have with my own DMing lol

[marble lion]

He is since in prison as the natural conclusion of the chaos

[stiff rock]

the d&d -> prison pipeline is real

[tall forge]

Man i cant wait to dm again 😔

[marble lion]

Same

[stiff rock]

i'm the opposite

[tall forge]

Skipped my last week session unfortunately

[marble lion]

Ill probably dm in a few months again

[stiff rock]

wish i could dm less, play more. i love dming but it's great to get a chance to play a character lol

[tall forge]

I partly feel this

But i just like dming more than playing

80-20 id say

[stiff rock]

i like both equally for different reasons

[undone rain]

Omg i love plasmoids so much

[worn lagoon]

If you removed bard this wouldn't even be so bad

Starting level arti, two in sorc, rest in bsinger wiz

[tall forge]

No, it would have still been bad because they wouldnt have any spells above 3rd

They were primarily trying to be a spellcaster

[stoic haven]

I love playing and making characters, its why I fell in love with D&D

[stiff rock]

i like DMing because it gives me control of the narrative as well as being able to make interesting stories. playing because it's fun to get immersed in mysteries and be something i'm not irl lol

[tall forge]

I like dming bc i have too many ideas

[stiff rock]

my love for DMing may be stockholm syndrome though

[remote wadi]

So to recap the Guardian Subclass benefits

Double shield AC, shield has heavy property and you get dual wielder (only for offhand shield, 1d6 bludgeoning; 8, 10, 12 at levels 7, 10, 15)

Defensive option as an action which gives resistances to all but psychic, prof bonus to AC, and disadvantage on all ranged attacks to a target if directly behind you until start of next turn

Just level 3 btw

[worn lagoon]

You said lv12 and the distribution I mentioned gets 5th level spells

[stiff rock]

good thing it's unofficial

[severe rampart]

I like being the DM because I'm learning and the players are very nice to me

[undone rain]

I would want to play a plasmoid next campaign but agh i worked so hard making my kenku cleric in heroforge

[tall forge]

Oh, i forgot the 5th one, fighter for action surge

Legit just forgot

[stiff rock]

yeah i definitely think it's easier to learn the mechanics by DMing

[severe rampart]

then again, I've spoiled the entire Curse of Strahd plot to myself so I won't be surprised by anything if I play as a player in a CoS campaign

[stiff rock]

oh yeah the curse of DMing for official modules is you can never be surprised by anything

[tall forge]

Ive only ran modules for 1 shots

[reef tundra]

If I ever play COS I’d just gaslight myself the entire time that I don’t know the twist

[tall forge]

I cant help but want to homebrew a setting/plot

[stiff rock]

apart from STK and phandelver i know everything about every official module

[severe rampart]

Exactly 💯

[tall forge]

Even the modules i take i end up rewriting 😔

[reef tundra]

Fortunately my irl friends are too broke to buy the books and too overwhelmed by big blocks of text to find them online so the modules I do run are unspoiled for them

[worn lagoon]

Bruh

[tall forge]

I have dms of “potential builds”

[reef tundra]

And they don’t talk any dnd online so they won’t be talking to anyone who could spoil it

[tall forge]

Theyre all pretty bad and are 4 classes minimum

[worn lagoon]

No pure caster should dip more than 3 levels in anything this isn't bg3

[stiff rock]

half of my tyranny of dragons campaign was spent in the underdark lol

[balmy heron]

Should I play as an astral elf or high elf?

[reef tundra]

They’re so blissfully unaware they don’t even know about the casters vs martials argument
-# Not an invitation

[tall forge]

Its pretty hard to justify any class dipping more than 3 levels

[reef tundra]

Depends on what kind of setting you’re playing in

[remote wadi]

Level 7 is a multi use rechargeable on rest AoE taunt that also denies counterplay via saving throws as a BA

Level 10 is basically AoE Evasion + Shield AC modifier in 15 ft cube behind you when in defensive stance

Level 15 gives you crit immunity, makes all prone attempts on you disadvantage, and halves shove distance (also forgot to mention. Level 15 makes this stance go from ending statt of next turn to lasting a full minute)

And level 18, in addition to also adding STR modifier to AC in defensive stance, also allows you to enter it as a BA

[balmy heron]

True I dony really know yet but where starting a new campaign today.

[stiff rock]

again lol glad it's unofficial. most unofficial subclasses have issues with being ridiculously unbalanced

i don't tend to allow anything past core rules, xgte and tasha's without having a really good look at the content first

[tall forge]

I just say no to homebrew classes now

[stiff rock]

yeah same unless i'm the one who's made it

at least then i know what's in it

[tall forge]

Especially since i dont want to waste time looking over it and/or balancing it for them

[worn lagoon]

I would have a harder time justifying going above 7-11 in any martial besides fighter

[stiff rock]

also i find that most homebrew subclasses/classes solve a problem or suit a fantasy that an official thing can already do just fine

flavour is free and all that

[outer wraith]

zeus is lowkey hot

[tall forge]

Like…. The greek god?

[outer wraith]

do you know any other zeus

[reef tundra]

The only classes outside of the core 12 I allow are artificer, blood hunter (yes, blood hunter) and my homebrew class, Battleblood
-# Biased to my own 😎

[stiff rock]

very random place to be discussing greek gods is all

[remote wadi]

At first, I liked the idea because tanks genuinely are rare and hard to find/make work

But then you realize that this is not just super overkill on defenses (another important reminder about the defense stance: if it's anything but psychic, the tank will like it. So those victories getting past that AC are small)

This is also a Subclass on Fighter... at tier 4/level 20 gameplay, this is the monks version of running around the world twice and still punching you in the face before turn ends

Only instead, it's being able to attack 8 times in a turn and still, as a BA, put up defenses so ungodly, it would make Roblox godmodding roleplayers foam at the mouth

[tall forge]

A lot of media use the name zeus actually

[outer wraith]

true

[reef tundra]

Illrigger won’t touch my games

[outer wraith]

thats my fault

[stiff rock]

"not super overkill" and you get an AC of 33 at 3rd level. no sane DM would allow that

[tall forge]

So its hard to tell if you mean the direct mythological depiction of zeus, or disney’s hercules zeus

[outer wraith]

both

[stiff rock]

also aren't there like 100 different depictions of zeus in both ancient greek history and modern media

[tall forge]

Personally, im a big Zeus hater

[worn lagoon]

I would allow homebrew subclasses but not homebrew classes

[remote wadi]

No, no. At third level, plate and shield with the stance would be something like... 22

[reef tundra]

I’m neutral to Zeus. But I have big Greek myth burnout

[outer wraith]

thats understandable ngl with the things he has done

[stiff rock]

yeah a lot of the stuff he did in myth was a little wild

[tall forge]

Depends on the class

[remote wadi]

Chain Mail armor, shield, and stance

[tall forge]

Hate to say that but some REALLY do not need it

[reef tundra]

Since my trust in players as a majority has been broken, I only allow a class if I know most of its abilities

[glacial gust]

Hello

[remote wadi]

@stiff rock if it really was 33 AC at level 3, there would be some genuine concerns

[stiff rock]

i think my stance on the subclass from what you've told me is an absolute no

[remote wadi]

High Roller Gunslinger?

[tall forge]

You can get pretty close

[reef tundra]

I know nothing about it, not even its existence

[remote wadi]

For good reasons. That would be no higher than level 9 for where I would allow it

[reef tundra]

I’m close to allowing illrigger, since I’m learning its abilities, but it’s just so strange

[stiff rock]

if you have to restrict what levels a character can take a subclass at, it's unbalanced

[lethal quest]

I don't plan to DM anytime soon, but for those making their own fantasy world how would you all go about making your own races/species in the setting and making sure everything is relatively balanced?

[remote wadi]

Gunslinger is as the name would suggest

High Roller is basically role-playing as a gambler with twice the addiction of pushing luck to the limit

Fun way you can also interact with the DM. imagine basically using rolling the equivalent of a superiority die in secret and saying the number.
DM doesn't bother to call bluff? Add the number you said to total damage.
Called your bluff? Double damage on truth, halve on a lie

[reef tundra]

Balance goes out the window I’m all for vibes

I have a homebrew species that may or may not be terrifyingly strong, but until a player complains about it, I think it’s alright

[remote wadi]

No, I mean like

I would allow it, but only on a campaign going to level 9

[stiff rock]

still lol

[reef tundra]

That does sound pretty interesting. But I think for now I’ll remain on no

[remote wadi]

Probably could look into Gunslinger as a class first

The upside for them is that Marksman and High Roller need to wait until level 14 to get the gooooood stuff

For those curious: Marksman can choose to have attack be one singular advantage attack that crits if hits

[reef tundra]

For now I’m sticking to Mercer’s gunslinger <3

[remote wadi]

High Roller is... pretty interesting. Epitome of go big or go home

Can choose to roll a d20 on a crit. 10-20 quads damage dice instead of double, 1-9 makes it a normal hit

[knotty vine]

have you seen Vecna

[reef tundra]

No. I think he’s trying that ritual of remaking again

[knotty vine]

of course

[reef tundra]

I wonder what ring Vecna would give me

The fact that the cloak of invisibility and the ring of invisibility are both legendary in 5e makes me chuckle

[blissful ibex]

the 2024 RoI is also worlds apart from the 2014 one XD

the 2014 one has so many limitations it feels more like a rare

[tall forge]

I think homebrew species generally are ok

Theyre easy to tell if theyre op or not, and dont take much work to look over (2014 dm)

[drifting fjord]

I think you need to introduce the head of vecna item

[reef tundra]

Only I get the head of Vecna

[tall forge]

I roll to seduce vecna moment

[reef tundra]

I truly am a bard

[knotty vine]

i roll to seduce peachrug

[tall forge]

Sorry my dc is pretty high

[knotty vine]

dang

[tall forge]

Its at least a 12 😎

[knotty vine]

i-

[reef tundra]

Mine scales depending on who it is

[tall forge]

Thats just RP bonuses

[knotty vine]

what if its me

[reef tundra]

3

[knotty vine]

pf

[reef tundra]

Sometimes I’m torn between Vecna and Kas

But I think Vecna’s slightly more loyal bc it was Kas who betrayed Vecna first

[tall forge]

But consider

[reef tundra]

Now that I think about it a lot of people who hang around Vecna end up turning on him

[tall forge]

The toxic yaoi betwen both of them…

[knotty vine]

well it is kinda Vecna's fault because he gave him a very evil sword

[reef tundra]

There was defo some yaoi tension

[reef tundra]

That’s true. Now I gotta check whatever ring he gets me

[tall forge]

Its a big old man yaoi moment

[reef tundra]

A cursed item is the last thing I need

[tall forge]

What if its cursed so it just can never be removed?

-# and also warps your mind

[reef tundra]

Hot /lhj

[reef tundra]

-# oh…

[tall forge]

Dw about that

[grizzled lance]

i still cant find Sylgar

[tall forge]

Did you check the Sylgar cabinet

[grizzled lance]

why would i put Sylgar in a cabinet

[tall forge]

I mean

I would

[marble lion]

Because its the Sylgar cabinet

[reef tundra]

I’m assuming Sylgar is the fish?
I am not adverse with Xanathar lore

[tall forge]

They are the fish

[lavish flame]

Sylgar is the fish yeah

[reef tundra]

I’m suddenly hungry for sea food

[tall forge]

do not the fish

[lavish flame]

As a note: they keep him in a terrible fishtank, so he dies constantly. The Xanathar Guild is keenly aware that if Xanathar found out Sylgar died, he'd fly into a rage and kill many of them. One of the Xanathar Guild's top priorities is replacing the fish quickly for this reason.

[tall forge]

We can only replace Sylgar so many times…

[severe rampart]

... how hungry. 🐴

[reef tundra]

Oh god never mind the fish can stay out of my stomach

[severe rampart]

I am sad there is no seahorse emoji.

[reef tundra]

I’ll even help replace him

[tall forge]

He loves his pet fish

[foggy magnet]

I got a question! How do I roleplay in this game without feeling "cringe"?

[tall forge]

You embrace the cringe

Cringe is dead. Be free

[fair plinth]

Dont be afraid to put yourself out there, and others will follow your example

[reef tundra]

Ignore the expectations that others and society have put on you

Liberate yourself, enjoy yourself

[fair plinth]

If everyone is doing cringey rp then the only thing actually cringe is not doing rp

[lavish flame]

you gotta live with it a little

[reef tundra]

Wait aren’t you a professional dungeon master? And a professional player

[tall forge]

As my favorite show once said

“I think weird things are freaking cool, and i! Am! Free!”

[reef tundra]

Murder drones mind activated

[tall forge]

🤖

[reef tundra]

Bite me

[tall forge]

I love liam vickers

I was so happy he got an actual show

[reef tundra]

I miss Cliffside with every fibre of my being

[foggy magnet]

Yaaap I am xD but Im trying to find different opinions for a video Im trying to do, cause I cant just simply say my own opinion, would be a bit egoistic

[reef tundra]

Ahh Oki that makes sense. I was confused for a mo

[tall forge]

Words cannot describe how pained i am it might/probably wont ever continue

[foggy magnet]

understandable, but yeah the more opinions I find the better

[fair plinth]

I feel like druids are thematically restrained to the classic “hermit protector of the forest and talk to animals” kinda trope, does anyone have any stories of druids that were outside of this trope

[reef tundra]

I had a Druid whose only goal was to preserve the cycle of life and death. She’d stop at nothing to preserve it, even if it meant killing resurrected people. She was a monster

A friend of mine also played a Druid who was a… a pyromaniac…

That character was fun

[fair plinth]

Both are very cool lol

[reef tundra]

Omg me and my friend should bring them back to team up. Fire and death

[turbid vessel]

I DMed for a stars druid that played them as a spiritual ship navigator that uses both star maps and whispers from the sea to guide his path. They wore slacks and a suit jacket, but their buttons and buckles were all made of wood

[tall forge]

My player currently is playing a weird dog thing whose a druid

[reef tundra]

The vibes of classes have a very wide variety

[tall forge]

Reflavored plasmoid to fit the setting

They are basically a race of bigfoots

[reef tundra]

Time to play a ranger hunting Bigfoot

[fair plinth]

Thats interesting, a druid at sea but not a sea druid

[tall forge]

Theyre just a 9 foot dog dont do it!

[reef tundra]

Big enough for me 🪓

[undone rain]

Simply embrace it. Be glad your not like everyone else

[tall forge]

I am firmly against cringe being real

[turbid vessel]

Kill not the part of you that is cringe. Kill the part of you that cringes.
~ Socrates probably

[tall forge]

Whismy can never be cringe

[undone rain]

People are too judgemental nowadays over hobbies. If you dont do whats considered normal then your a cringe loser according to society.

[severe rampart]

Swallow your pride or lack thereof and embrace it

[drifting fjord]

You just have to cut off your head to attach it! Good luck!

[grizzled lance]

swallowing pride is pretty hard sometimes

[undone rain]

Believe me life will feel much better when your not trying to hold up to everyones standards

[tall forge]

Thats not the head they were getting…

[reef tundra]

I reject what society wants me to be like
-# We live in a society /ref

[grizzled lance]

mainly cause how big pride is

[severe rampart]

Society... society calls me-

[reef tundra]

My pride is huge

[tall forge]

People live and i vibe. If i don’t vibe with you, we simply vibe separately

[severe rampart]

Exactly, as is mine

[proven nova]

It’s a complex issue. I think it is twofold. They must stop treating us as pariahs for what we enjoy. We must be responsible for ppl in the community who do go too far and ruin someone else’s experience and also recognize that they may have boundaries towards the game from an experience like that.

[tall forge]

I disagree, its a simple issue. Communicate more

But its simplicity is what makes it difficult

[proven nova]

Part of me would like to believe there is a reason why they think that way, as if they really disliked it they would just simply not act on it and also choose to not associate with anyone who plays the game without saying their hobby is horrible.

[honest ember]

[proven nova]

That’s the thing: simplicity is complex.

The very act of trying to restrict one thing to be one exact way feels as if one were being entrapped.

[leaden parcel]

Am new to d&d is ir hard?

[tall forge]

Anyway

[proven nova]

It is not exactly hard.

[tall forge]

Power word divorce

[craggy summit]

A little bit tricky to learn at first if you're new to TTRPG's, but once you learn it, its not that difficult

[leaden parcel]

Can sum one teach on play wiht me?

[cold jay]

Is there a way to get additional feats than the ones you get from ASI levels? 2014 had an optimal rule, but does 2024 have something like that?

[tall forge]

Its as difficult as getting into any hobby, generally

[reef tundra]

NOOO

[craggy summit]

Not that I'm aware of 🤔 besides 2024 backgrounds and being a human

[reef tundra]

It’s simpler than most Tabletop roleplaying games

[proven nova]

Part of me believes it has to go back to primal instinct. We are afraid of admitting we are wrong because our brain interprets that word as death. Because, way back when, if you ate the wrong berries you very well could possibly die.

[proven nova]

Agreed.

[leaden parcel]

I dont understand classes

[reef tundra]

I think roleplaying isn’t something you need to swallow your pride for. I think it’s perfectly fine! It’s fun!

[craggy summit]

There's some links to help you get started in #dnd-newcomers

[cold jay]

Wait, I did just find the rule in the 2024 players handbook, under Character advancement

[leaden parcel]

Thx

[reef tundra]

But at the same time I’m an actor so roleplaying is basically warm up for my job

[proven nova]

Sometimes playing a prideful character can be hilarious.

[grizzled lance]

Ive been an acter since middle school

[craggy summit]

Oh there is? I didn't know that 😅

[reef tundra]

It can be very very fun

[tall forge]

Im a worm researcher

This does lots for my dming skills

[cold jay]

np

[blissful ibex]

More due to social consequences and ostrisization I'd think
but much to the same effect

[reef tundra]

Reject society 💪

[proven nova]

I would just advise having pride in your hobby, not what other people think of it.

[reef tundra]

-# We live in a society yes I’m making that joke again

[tall forge]

I dont say this bc of the worm in my brain and i certainly dont want to put worms in your brains everyone

But have any of you considered maybe just a little worm in the brain?

[craggy summit]

You're infected by a mindflayer?? 😱

[proven nova]

Plus, if ppl decided to put the burden of an entire community onto you, that seems a bit unfair.

[tall forge]

…. No

But im just saying

[craggy summit]

That sounds like something that someone infected by a mindflayer would say 👁👁

[tall forge]

Listen, becoming a mindflayer? Thats like, my least favorite thing to do

[normal mauve]

Half-mindflayer

[tall forge]

But im just saying

[craggy summit]

BG3 does make it seem horrible to be fair

[tall forge]

Just a lil worm in your noggin will do you some good

[craggy summit]

Only for now, but when ceremorphus happens, it'll be a full mindflayer 😟

[tall forge]

me, who has never once not become a mindflayer yep. I agree

[proven nova]

For example, I enjoy Gacha games. Sure, it may be a bit cringe, but I enjoy it. I am also aware that the community has its toxic aspects and I try to ignore them and carry on doing my own thing. The key difference is one does not have to be defined by the most pronounced aspects of a community: mainly because that is what is known as stereotyping.

[blissful ibex]

Just put a banana tadpole in your ear.
With a tadpole in your ear, all your worries will dissappear. /lyr

[normal mauve]

In older editions half-mind flayers were actual things, they happened when a tadpole died during ceremorphosis I believe

[proven nova]

You do not need to be a stereotype of a tabletop gamer to fit in and you do not need to fit the stereotype of a “average person” to fit in and make friends with other people.

[tall forge]

Put a tadpole in your ear
Put a lil squirmer right into your favorite ear

[proven nova]

And this is mainly because a lot of people tend to consider darkness and light and not the weird, gray human area we all kind of exist in.

[craggy summit]

I do remember seeing a dwarven mindflayer in 5e actually 👀 i don't think it's the same thing but it's still really cool

[normal mauve]

I’m a mohrg so I can’t me turned into a mindflayer

[proven nova]

I actually have a book for homebrew with something like this. A species of dwarf that got corrupted by none other than Cthulhu himself.

[tall forge]

Says you

[severe rampart]

It is not a mind flayer, it is an earworm

[tall forge]

I mean

[normal mauve]

For a few years the Cthulhu mythos was cannon to D&D

[tall forge]

What echo said, for sure

[normal mauve]

I mean my entire body is host to a worm so what’s one more

[severe rampart]

You could say... I echo'ed your words?

[tall forge]

It’s definitely not a mind flayer tadpole just a regular worm

[hollow stone]

i have 3 campaigns to think of now :D

[tall forge]

My worm speaks to me at night

[craggy summit]

It's a coincidence you say that, one of my players is gonna dm a homebrew Lovecraft game tonight 👀

[spring light]

is it the universal translator?

[normal mauve]

Hitchhiker’s reference detected Noice

[hollow stone]

ooo is it A Color From Outer Space?

[tall forge]

No, he only speaks french. I think he ate the part of my brain that remembers French class

[spring light]

they're talking about putting worms in their ears >_>

[tall forge]

I researched parasitic worms for my job

[craggy summit]

Afaik he created everything himself so I'm not sure 🤔

[tall forge]

Is it really so bad i wanna put some of those worms into ears?

[proven nova]

I do not think I would reject society, generally because I believe it provides more benefit than harm. Not to mention, we are technically a collective species. We rely on each other, we cannot truly reject everything. Mainly because when that happens, weird things tend to occur within the mind.

Now, societal NORMS are a different thing. You should not have to feel beholden to some ideal. You should be you and if that means rejecting being completely “normal” then that is alright. In fact, we all do not meet this “standard” in some ways.

[hollow stone]

look for space rocks and colors you haven't seen before :)

[craggy summit]

I was gonna do that regardless 👀 I love space colors and shiny cool rocks

[spring light]

color out of space is a good monster.

might be my second favorite

[proven nova]

Mission: Awaken Yog-Sogoth

[normal mauve]

Colour

[proven nova]

Damn, he was trying to get really fancy with that one LOL

[burnt valley]

wake up azathoth

[normal mauve]

As a very American man colour from out of space is the only time I use colour

[proven nova]

Baaaaaaaaad idea

Very bad idea

[normal mauve]

Bots infesting the server today huh

[knotty pasture]

That's a nat 1 on deception checks

[normal mauve]

Got one in m DMs too

[severe rampart]

Dirty negative 5

[normal mauve]

[torpid hound]

Punishment idea: If you're a DM and the Paladin is being lawful stupid, tell them that their god left them for their actions and turn them into a Fighter

[tall forge]

Had one in my dms too, I interact in hopes they are a little funny

They arent 😔 they dont make em like they used to

[normal mauve]

Is it candichaos

[lavish flame]

They'll just continue their behavior as a Fighter this solves nothing

[tall forge]

Nah, different one

[normal mauve]

As was how it worked in every edition up to 4e at least

[torpid hound]

And curse them

[fickle ocean]

its not their god its their oath to their god. their powers are from the conviction of their oath. if they break their oath they become the oathbreaker subclass

[tall forge]

Apparently they dont

[torpid hound]

Oh

[bronze canopy]

DM decision really

[tall forge]

They just lose their paladin features, oathbreaker is fully embracing it

[fickle ocean]

clerics are the ones where their god controls their powers

[normal mauve]

I disliked that 5e change honestly

[lavish flame]

This still does not address their behavior though, this just makes their character different or worse

[feral fulcrum]

Lawful 'Stupid' actually follows their tenets. They're just not flexible with their party.

[normal mauve]

Depends on the oath and the player I guess

[fickle ocean]

i agree but this allows them to make oaths to things that aren't gods, like an oath to protect a family member or town or their favorite donkey

[feral fulcrum]

It turns out having actual discussions is generally the best solution to problematic behaviors.

[tall forge]

If this is an OOG problem, solve it oog

[normal mauve]

Then the only time they did anything cool with that idea was the oath of crowns

[feral fulcrum]

Exscuse me, Oath of Glory exists. Sir Flexington would like a word with you.

[stuck shuttle]

The last part isn’t fully true. The Oathbreaker subclass is only for Paladins who willingly break their oath to pursue an evil ambition, as detailed in the subclass description. It also has select other requirements to be taken (i.e. the Paladin needs to be of evil alignment).

There’s no hard coded rules for what happens when a Paladin violates their oath, it’s all suggestions in the PHB/DMG. Oathbreaker is there as a last resort / special use case

[normal mauve]

Mhhhm, oath of showing off is suuuch a good oath

[normal mauve]

Blackguards are cooler(edition waring edition waring)/j

[feral fulcrum]

Rapidly spams different poses and flexes like Johnny Bravo, before Jojo posing His sheer devotion to perfecting his Physique gives them Super Powers.

[humble cairn]

I had such a great time with my Glory Paladin. Tried my best to make the most unlikeable character IC, but funny OOC.

[humble cairn]

Mine literally had a Manual of Gainful Exercise that he proselytized from.

[feral fulcrum]

Hah!

[tall forge]

Oathbreaker no longer needs to be evil technically in 5e

[stuck shuttle]

If you’re referring to the UA version I don’t believe that’s been published officially yet

[normal mauve]

You mean 5.5e?

[feral fulcrum]

They're both 5E

[tall forge]

No, 5e too

[normal mauve]

Cause they were in the DMG in base 5e iirc

[fickle ocean]

oathbreaker is not always evil it's just a broken oath. the oath could be to something evil and they break it to become good

[severe rampart]

What if they find out that the oath they made to their god was evil, and broke it because that's not how they are?

[stuck shuttle]

The published Oathbreaker explicitly lists being evil as a requirement

[tall forge]

5e doesnt really do “requirements”

[humble cairn]

But the Oathbreaker subclass specifically says they did it while embracing evil.

[tall forge]

When it comes to classes, besides the multiclass rules

[feral fulcrum]

Well, it does, just not Alignment based

[severe rampart]

I doubt a lot of people play 100% RAW

[stuck shuttle]

Not all oath breaks lead to Oathbreaker. This is evidenced by the Paladin class description as well as the Oathbreaker subclass description

[jolly agate]

Monday's session is coming up, I'm happy ngl

[feral fulcrum]

There Are a handful of things that care about Alignment however.

[blissful ibex]

also a few feats and Eldritch Invocations that require others; but that's not exactly classes

[humble cairn]

You can break your oath and be an oath breaker, but the Oathbreaker subclass is a specific thing.

[feral fulcrum]

Like all of two or three spells, and like two or three magic items, from launch.

[tall forge]

When it comes to taking a class*

[normal mauve]

Mfw I’m a paladin of Bane

[feral fulcrum]

Before they realized they didn't actually care about Alignment and then forgot about it entirely.

[stuck shuttle]

It’s like being a criminal. There’s jaywalkers and then there’s murderers. Same label, different levels of seriousness

[tall forge]

end of the day, classes are mechanics

You can just reflavor any class to fit

As long as the mechanics are unchanged, it really doesnt matter imo

[normal mauve]

Which is sad

[feral fulcrum]

Reflavoring only gets you so far however.

[stuck shuttle]

The evil requirement for Oathbreaker is mechanical

[tall forge]

Again, not a thing in 5e im fairly sure

[humble cairn]

All oaths and tenets are technically flavor and not mechanics.

[normal mauve]

Oathbreaker is only from 5e and maybe 4e I’ve never played

[feral fulcrum]

Tenets, yes, Oath themselves, definitely mechanics

[stuck shuttle]

It is. The subclass description explicitly says you need to have an evil alignment to take it

[fickle ocean]

just link it

[feral fulcrum]

Given it explicitly mentions the possibility of the Player losing their powers

[humble cairn]

The features that come from it, yes, but the description is flavor.

[tall forge]

Subclass descriptions arent technically mechanical

And are able to be changed for flavor as needed to fit a character

[normal mauve]

Well I got timed out for doing that but the description does say they are evil

[fickle ocean]

...we get timed out for posting links?

[tall forge]

Piracy, probably

[normal mauve]

The death knight monster blurb also implies oath breakers are evil iirc

[feral fulcrum]

Anything that's not D&D Beyond

Or the like.

[fickle ocean]

that's annoying

[lyric viper]

*Anything that share more than the SRD without a license. Roll20 and D&DBeyond are examples of legitimate websites that share D&D content.

Anything else would indeed be piracy.

[stuck shuttle]

It's not part of the subclass flavor description. Quoting DMG p.97:

A paladin must be evil and at least 3rd level to become an Oathbreaker. The paladin replaces the features specific to his or her Sacred Oath with Oathbreaker features.

[tall forge]

Dang, guess thats what i get for not owning the dmg

[normal mauve]

You wot

[tall forge]

Most i can say in rebuttal is ill actively ignore that

[tall forge]

Im poor.

😔

[feral fulcrum]

Yar Har Fiddle Dee Dee, if only we had a proper space fantasy. Glares at Spelljammer again for the sixth hundredth time

[stuck shuttle]

The DMG and PHB already accounts for oath breaks that aren’t evil anyways

[normal mauve]

Ah, yknow if you scrape some money together I’ll sell you my old 5e crap at a discount

[hidden spindle]

There's free Rules that cover just enough

[normal mauve]

2e Spelljammer was pretty spacey

[tall forge]

Unfortunately im making ends meet until i get my bonus

[stuck shuttle]

It’s not hard coded but it gives multiple options for what happens when an oath is violated, such as changing subclasses, classes, temporary loss of powers, etc

[tall forge]

Besides, i know the rules enough id say

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah but 5E was a total ripoff and more of a Monster Splatbook then anything else.

[normal mauve]

That’s sad, I heard they got rid of my bois the radiation golems

[fickle ocean]

guess its a homebrew spec for me now

[normal mauve]

They were intelligent and not even evil, they just killed everyone around them cause yknow radiation

Oh and bug gundams, they got rid of bug gundams

RIP spirit warriors, you will be missed

[normal mauve]

Do you know if 5e planescape was as butchered?

[crimson gulch]

5e plainscape was a great box set, i ran turn of fortunes wheel right as it came out

[feral fulcrum]

No clue.

[normal mauve]

That’s nice, planescape was cool cause it focused more on the Law v Chaos axis rather than the Good v Evil axis

[feral fulcrum]

I think it was very stupid that while they reprinted Catapults and Trebuchets from the DMG, they ignored Cannons, despite the Giff (Gyff? I forget the spelling), using them canonically. And their Ships having a big one built in.

[normal mauve]

Giff

[feral fulcrum]

There was alot about Spelljammer 5E that felt like the Spelljammer bits being a Complete afterthought.

[hidden trellis]

Is there any easy way to get someone's Arcana proficiency? I'm trying to give people Arcana prof to assist with Magic Item crafting.

Is there magic item I can give them or something?

[crimson gulch]

Skilled origin feat

[normal mauve]

Mfw when ship v ship combat gets gutted in favor of flips page killer clowns from outer space?

[valid geyser]

Cannons are in the dmg

[feral fulcrum]

Watered down ship rules despite having more functional, indepth ones to borrow from already from an existing adventure, marketing that was NOTHING but "Hur hur, Giff Jiff."

[hidden trellis]

Ah gotcha, any way to do it with an item or something that doesn't require a feat/level?

[tidal bough]

But what if they were goth 🤔

[valid geyser]

Ah wait, I realized what you meant

[feral fulcrum]

I know, but as I said in my post. They bothered to Reprint the Catapults and Trebuchets in Spelljamers, but not the Cannons.

[normal mauve]

I’ll take my ship combat thank you

[valid geyser]

Yeah, the idea of using a bunch of trebuchets in space seems weird

[crimson gulch]

i slapped so many cannons on the ships when i ran spelljammer

[valid geyser]

Like, those things are kinda gravity dependant. Ship combat would be really weird if you could only launch stuff at like a 45 degree angle

[normal mauve]

Is the flying dwarven citadel still in the rules

It was just a whole mountain with a dwarven settlement in it in space

[still plover]

Rules? Where that's going, they don't need rules.

[torpid hound]

How do I decide what masteries to pick?

[young lodge]

With Random number generator

[torpid hound]

No

[young lodge]

Alr ✌️

[normal mauve]

Throw darts

[young lodge]

Good idea

Can anyone teach me how to rage bait one of my friends in game? (She is doing to me, and I want to have my get back)

[river vector]

The power dynamics in my game became very clear when I had an enemy mind control warlock, and he one shot artificer.

That was funny as hell

[south prawn]

It’s a bit of a chicken/egg situation. Each weapon only has one mastery type, so you could just pick the masteries based on the weapons you intend to use, but your weapon choice can be dependent on which masteries you like the effect of. So read up and it should become fairly obvious

[torpid hound]

"Why did you pick Fighter?"
Laughs in 7 ASI's and 3 Extra Attacks

[hollow stone]

whatever weapons you have, ofc, and (with fighter is where i saw it idk about other classes) you can trade them out on a long rest if you find yourself with new weapons

[blissful ibex]

I mean, warlock is right there

[tall forge]

I dont think anyone would ever question fighter

[torpid hound]

?

[blissful ibex]

though only 2 extra attacks but you get 10 invocations

[hollow stone]

i ran Fighter + Warlock once, didn't really get to see it develop but it was definitely a little neat

[blissful ibex]

warlock is similar to bard in that it's half way to everything

[hollow stone]

the campaign went to like level 6 before i left, the DM was weird

[torpid hound]

When you only have FBR so you create a makeshift Eldritch Knight

[blissful ibex]

but yeah pact of the blade (improved pact weapon can also be nice), thirsting/devouring blade and then you still have 6~7 other invocations to mess around with, 5th level spell slots that come back on a SR, and access to up to 9th level spells via MA

[torpid hound]

[blissful ibex]

can even get armor proficiencies via Hexblade; though a lot of the other options (not undying) can be interesting as well

[hollow stone]

oh no i was gonna run BM Fighter + GOO Warlock, the plan was to run Pact Of The Blade and use my Masteries to take like 4 Push masteries that i could summon in variety through the Pact

[blissful ibex]

Warlock ~12 and 8 levels of whatever else you want can be interesting too c:
maybe paladin

[hollow stone]

i was gonna run the forbidden CHA Fighter

[knotty vine]

yall i have question

[blissful ibex]

go for it

[tough sandal]

Did you teleport bread?

[hollow stone]

what is the question?

[knotty vine]

is the paladins aura a magic effect:"

[blissful ibex]

It's explicitly not the result of a spell but I believe it would be a continuously applying magic effect, yes

[tall forge]

In regards to antimagic area? Yes

[knotty vine]

dang

[hollow stone]

i think most of it is except the aspect at level 10 that gives you Advantage on CHA things

[knotty vine]

our paladin is gonna suffer

[hollow stone]

i think that's just Aura of Farming

[tall forge]

I mean, if you got anti-magic

Paladins the least of the worries

[torpid hound]

Be me
The BBEG
A Monk attacks me
I suddenly feel vibrations
CookedDog.jpeg

[knotty vine]

there gonna be fighting a beholder

[hollow stone]

can the paladin fly?

[tall forge]

Walk behind the beholder

Or just be in it and be immune to the eye rays

[hollow stone]

my current Fighter can fly and it's very funny

[tall forge]

The beholder antimagic area kinda sucks lmao

[hollow stone]

we were fighting a Roper and i popped Radiant Soul (aasimar fighter) to collect some armor from its tummy after we killed it

[tough sandal]

GM discretion, it's popularly viewed as a Magical Effect even though, rules-as-written, it isn't.

[thorn quarry]

This is gonna sound stupid but does anyone have a homebrew stat block for panzuriel

[torpid hound]

This sounds stupid

[tall forge]

Are your players trying to kill a god?

[spring light]

google didn't have anything?

[thorn quarry]

I’m gonna become his avatar or sum like that

[spring light]

than ask your dm

[grizzled lance]

Her players are gonna be fighting me btw

[spring light]

what

[tall forge]

Sounds like your dm will give you what you need

[knotty vine]

my players are gonna be fighting Xanathar yes

[thorn quarry]

Alr

[blissful ibex]

we just did last week with a party of 5 at level 6 O_o

[tall forge]

Oh wait 2024 lets beholder use antimagic cone as a bonus action?

Nvm its good now

[knotty vine]

thats bad read the second line of text

[blissful ibex]

yeah, a ton of the monsters got buffed in 24 to offset the stronger player classes and better early healing spells c:

[knotty vine]

the beholder got nerfed in 24

[tall forge]

It couldnt really take advantage of antimagic cone in 14, since any creature in it is immune to eye rays

[blissful ibex]

"until the start of its next turn"
it can fire off its action rays at whoever it likes and then BA turn on the AMC after
the players then either have to camp out in the AMC or risk legendary action eye rays

[knotty vine]

50-foot Cone. Until the start of the beholder’s next turn, that area acts as an Antimagic Field spell, and that area works against the beholder’s own Eye Rays.

[woven flint]

Funny coincidence here
The waterdeep campaign I'm in might fight Xanathar soon
We're also level 6 ||But we decided to go the Stone of Galorr route first||

[valid geyser]

i think it's always worked like that

[knotty vine]

it hasnt

[valid geyser]

it very much has

The beholder's central eye creates an area of antimagic, as in the antimagic field spell, in a 150-foot cone. At the start of each of its turns, the beholder decides which way the cone faces and whether the cone is active. The area works against the beholder's own eye rays.

[knotty vine]

oh dang

[tall forge]

Yeah 14 also stopped eye rays from targeting player’s in the area

[knotty vine]

wait then whats the point of the magic cone

[tall forge]

It was pretty useless

[valid geyser]

but also, i think making it a bonus action is technically a nerf because mm14 antimagic cone was just a thing that happened at the start of its turns, so you now can disable it with something like confusion

[blissful ibex]

we also did that c:
it was 20x funnier because my character was the one to end up with ||the stone|| and she ||has severe backstory trauma surrounding aboleths||

[tall forge]

I mean, technically the beholder could move it so it could attack you, then move it back on you?

But thats really wonky rules wise

[knotty vine]

if you can remove its bonus action it cant use the antic magic cone yeah

[tall forge]

Originally it couldnt really use it at all effectively, so it’s still def a bonus

[woven flint]

OUR Dragonheist game is a LITTLE homebrew and we're going into Dungeon of the Mad Mage afterwards

[valid geyser]

even then i dont think its a heavy nerf for afformentioned reasons, but it is technically a thing that can happen to it

[hot marlin]

"At the start of its turn" is the key here

Oh wait, 2024 beholder?

[tall forge]

Yeah but realistically in 2014, the cone moves with its main body right?

[grizzled lance]

With its eye yes

[blissful ibex]

it's better because it can now use it's action to blast with impunity without worrying about the AMC and then turning it on after

[hot marlin]

Well yes, but that does not change the direction, only the placement

[tall forge]

So yeah, it directs it slightly to the right of the player, eye ray it, then moves it on them

[grizzled lance]

All the beholder has to do is turn around

[tall forge]

Again, real wonky and prone to AoO which isnt nice

[blissful ibex]

but as was stated; you can hit it with a Slow or similar and make it chose either the action rays or the cone

[ocean stone]

What the best race and class

[grizzled lance]

Yuan ti pure blood something something

[hot marlin]

There's no such thing as "turning around" in D&D rules.

[grizzled lance]

Line of sight rules

[blissful ibex]

there isn't one
it's highly dependant on the type of content you're playing and what exactly you're trying to do; and even then that's subjective

[hot marlin]

D&D has no notion of orientation. A creature is assumed to be looking at every direction

[tall forge]

The rules state “At the start of each of its turns, the beholder decides which way the cone faces a”

[valid geyser]

even still theres a lot of cheaper ways to make beholders easier to fight than slow

[hot marlin]

And you'll notice those rules have no concept of turning around, which actually proves my point

[ocean stone]

Can I still dnd online Cus my new and I need friend and stuff

[tall forge]

So it has to choose a direction

[valid geyser]

i dont wanna say that casting fog cloud makes it impossible to lose to a beholder now that 2024 beholder gets bites for legendary actions, which in general do a lot more damage, it still puts a lot of pressure on them

[tall forge]

Cant just turn around

[valid geyser]

it just means the beholder is forced to get in there and bite the guy who has concentration until they drop it, which is a little wonky

[oak grotto]

Plenty of people play DnD online. Just have to find the right group for you.

[tall forge]

This stops a lot of regular spellcasters too, don’t forget

I used fog cloud against my party and the wizard felt targeted

[valid geyser]

yeah it does limit what you can do, and it's also just slow and boring to kill a beholder that way

[tall forge]

Plus an 18 ac ain’t bad

Especially with disadvantage, you’re sorta at an hp off in melee

And with a passive perception of 22… well, the beholder probably knows where the caster of fog cloud is

Def a good play but it has it’s risks

[rough basalt]

Tonight my Monday game hits level 5.

[jovial shadow]

Perception doesn't matter if you are blind. It's still disadvantage

[tall forge]

It does in regards to locating creatures to actually hit them

[valid geyser]

also stuff with like, telekinesis ray on objects in the area but thats battlefield dependant

[jovial shadow]

It's still disadantage, unless you can point to a rule that say Perception overrules that.

[tall forge]

Im not talking about disadvantage, im talking about actively finding the guy to melee

[hot marlin]

Normally you only need to locate a creature if that creature is hidden. If it isn't, you automatically know where it is.

[tall forge]

Would fog cloud or invisibility not hide a creature?

[feral fulcrum]

The Heavily Obscured bit of Fog Cloud's text is covered in the rules, you Effectively have the Blinded condition in it.

[empty thicket]

Depend, how big is the creature?

[tall forge]

Or do they need to actively make a hide check first

[hot marlin]

Nope. Hiding is the result of taking the hide action.

[feral fulcrum]

Which was apperently clarified further in 2024 into making it "You have the Blinded condition." Rather then "Effectively have the Blinded Condition.

[torpid hound]

What's the point of Tavern Brawler if improvised weapons only deal 1d4 damage? Do you have to use weapon equivalents?

[tall forge]

For fun

[valid geyser]

new hide rules are weird since they just make you invisible, and the invisible condition doesnt mean the enemy cant inherently know where you are

[empty thicket]

they use proficiency

[torpid hound]

1d4

[feral fulcrum]

Tavern Brawler gives Profficency plus other benefits.

Which means you're now much more likely to hit.

[hot marlin]

At first glance, it seems like the only thing the new Hide action does is grant you the Invisible condition. There is nothing either here or under the Invisible condition about your position/location. This means that in combat, creature always know the exact space you are in even if you hide.

This is clearly an oversight, poorly written rules. I'd advise going back to 2014 stealth

[valid geyser]

yeah, very strange.

[empty thicket]

its like 4 benefits
Push, damage rolls, etc. etc.
Useful for either monk or if you know you will loose your weapons and have to improvise

[valid geyser]

i think 2014 stealth sucks too and i think most GMs will still rule it that they dont know where you are but the way its written is still weird

[jovial shadow]

It means more to the Monk.

[crimson gulch]

agreed, i still use 2014 stealth

[hot marlin]

To be fair the only game I've seen that had actual well-made rules for stealth that weren't abstracted was Exalted

Also the only game with good social rules that aren't abstracted.

[feral fulcrum]

However the downside is that it's attatched to Exalted (And it's endleslly messy rules that have been entirely Errated, and get home-ruled anyway because...messy.)

[timber turtle]

is playing a strength rogue really rare?

[hot marlin]

OK so to be fair, the real problem with the rules of Exalted 3rd edition is... The crafting system and the sailing system. Otherwise the base systems are extremely solid.

[valid geyser]

but also i think 2014 stealth's problem is that it's just not well organized

[feral fulcrum]

Yes, because they do more with Dex.

[feral fulcrum]

My experience is more with the flaming dumpster fire that is 2E.

[hot marlin]

Oh yeah, absolute dumpster fire. Nuclear waste. Don't touch it with a ten foot pole.

[valid geyser]

i remember liking pf2 stealth rules, but it's also a secret check so not everyone's cup of tea
but also it's kinda complicated and reliant on four different status conditions (observed, hidden, undetected, concealed)

[hot marlin]

My favourite part of Exalted's 3rd edition rules around stealth is that it differentiates between an attack made on someone who knows they're in danger, but doesn't know the direction the blow will be coming from and someone who is simply completely unaware.

[valid geyser]

oh yeah and similarly just yesterday i was realizing 5e 2024's new surprise rules are very weird, depending on if a DM rules that a single creature can give creatures surprise just by popping out and starting combat, even if the enemies are aware of the non-stealthy characters but havent started fighting them

[blissful ibex]

that's still an 'oh shit, reposition to handle this new threat' sort of thing, which makes sense that it'd impose disadvanatage on intiiative

that's a reasonable interpretation

[valid geyser]

right, i think i was also thinking of 2014 surprise, where that situation might mean everyone in the party gets a free turn, just for one PC surprising the rest

[spring light]

welp, applying for another LGS

[fair plinth]

If your dm allows it, you can interpret tavern brawler to apply for a druids wildshape

Because of weird natural weapons rules or something

[feral fulcrum]

Good luck with the Logarithmic Goose Storm.

[spring light]

Local Game Store

[feral fulcrum]

I'm aware, I just felt like making a funny.

[spring light]

oh

Ha ha ha!

[blissful ibex]

yeah, in that case I'd likely say just the initiating character gets the surprise round at that point for the 2014 stuff
but in 2024 I don't see issue with that causing disadv for initiative

[empty thicket]

yeah but that is one of many exceptions
Its like saying that my Dm could let me use poisoner piercing of resistance when im a snake and bite someone

and apply poison to that enemy and that poison pierce it

or grapler

[tall forge]

Ah surprise

An assassins greatest boon and nightmare

[rough basalt]

Hope I get to play tonight

I need it.

Need to see third level magic and martials hit one more time, and/or harder.

[tall forge]

I feel that

I’m in withdrawal…. Its been 10 days since last session….

Thats 3 more than normal

[normal canyon]

Then do a random one-shot

[empty thicket]

yeah, kinda the same. Last weekend didnt had the campaign i like and i might get in one that is 4 sessions per week in the same

[rough basalt]

Harder than actually having your session happen tbh

[empty thicket]

Speedrun style

[rough basalt]

Running a one shot requires supernatural luck

[normal canyon]

Back in my day we used to do 6 hour sessions every day except Sunday…

[tall forge]

I couldnt do my session bc no one could show up, now i gotta hope people can show up and are willing to make characters on the spot

It aint happening

[rough basalt]

Ime if you make a one shot, only half or less will show up

Then you gotta make some mass adjustments or not run it

[stuck shuttle]

Maybe try a westmarch style game? There might be more frequent session availability that way

[rough basalt]

Westmarches would be cool if it wasn't the verbal social aspect of traditional dnd I like the most

[empty thicket]

i had one of like 7 the saturday and it was just the day i had to do lunch and cook

[stuck shuttle]

Ah fair fair

[tall forge]

The whole thing i like is plot and rp

[empty thicket]

and again, third time i am leave alone by the party and almost died, to the point hte DM had to pull out a deus ex machina to save me.

[rough basalt]

If I'm typing I'd rather just argue here.
More raw emotion. /j

[stuck shuttle]

Just wait until the topic cycle this server goes through rotates to the one you’re passionate about /hj

[tall forge]

So about uh

Ac? No that already happened today

[normal canyon]

Not for me tho

[tall forge]

In reality I’m just gonna plan out my textrp game system while i wait for dnd 😔