dnd-discussion

[loud tendon]

a handful for sure.. Maglubiyet is pretty well known.

[tulip anchor]

what does the component do for spellcasting?

[loud tendon]

component or component pouch?

[tulip anchor]

component, as in component V, S, M - for example

[harsh hollow]

Components are a cost. Verbal, Somatic (Movements), and Material.

You need whatever the spell has to cast it, though in some cases you can substitute them out.

[jolly agate]

I wonder if the Goblin gods are weaker than the other gods

i mean ofc they should be, cuz they are still BLOODY GOBLINS

[loud tendon]

if a spell has an "M" that means it has a material component needed to cast the spell.

If that component has a price associated with in in the spell, the spell consumes it each time.

if it doesn't you can use the same component each time or use something like an arcane focus in it's place.

[loud tendon]

let's be careful not to be racist..fantasy racism or not, it's not very funny

[harsh hollow]

You can skip material components if you have an arcane focus, but only if they don't have a gold cost or the spell doesn't consume the component. (It will specify if it does.)

A handful of spells from Acquisitions Incorporated also have what's called a "royalty component" where you have to pay the developer of the spell a small gold cost per cast that scales with spell slot level.

[tulip anchor]

so basically:

V - vocal. Can't be silenced when I want to cast it
S - Somatic (gestures) - can't have my body immobolized when I want to cast it
M - Material - I need matreials required to cast it unless I have Arcane Focus

[harsh hollow]

Yes. Though again the arcane focus only pays the material cost if the material doesn't have a listed gold cost or isn't consumed.

(Mainly as a balancing factor.)

[jolly agate]

Can u cast somatic spells whit magehand?

[harsh hollow]

I don't think so because you summon a hand but it's not your hand.

It's just a hand.

[tulip anchor]

nope?

[harsh hollow]

The royalty component probably won't come up much but if you can't pay the gold cost you technically RAW can't cast those spells.

[tulip anchor]

RAW?

[harsh hollow]

Rules As Written.

How the game works based on rules text only with no interpretation.

It's an imagination game and DMs often play fast and lose with how they work situationally but there is technically a way they are all "supposed" to work.

[jolly agate]

i can still only cast vocal spells

dammit

[harsh hollow]

I feel like in a situation like that there should be some leeway, you're already homebrewing to play as a cow to begin with.

[jolly agate]

Technically I'm playing Minotaur/centaur/half-minotaur, u get it

[harsh hollow]

You don't technically have to specifically flourish your hands for Somatic comments, I think? Move your tail.

[harsh hollow]

Ahh, makes sense.

If the cow can speak and you can move your tail I think you've got things covered.

[jolly agate]

Maybe, ima try and if ma DM tells me smth ima say i did the gestures whit ma tail

[merry swallow]

Centaurs are my favorite race

[jolly agate]

The cow does not speak, only cow (Like Mooo and shi). but yk, Warlock powers

baphomet ma beloved😔🙏🙏🙏

[harsh hollow]

You might need hands after all, on a second glance. If I was a DM I'd let you use your tail though, might be worth asking.

It's not like you're trying to mechanically cheat with full hands, you don't have hands.

@tulip anchor That's another thing, you can't cast Somatic component spells if both of your hands are occupied without something like the War Caster feat.

Oh whoops, tagged the wrong person.

Not sure if it actually pings them if you edit and retag but there we go.

[sudden verge]

Hey everyone, I’m wondering if there is a typo in the Starter Set and Monster Manual 2024… the entry for Hobgoblin Warrior stated that they have a Longsword, but that it does 2d10+1 damage. From what I know, the Longsword is Versatile offering either 1d8 or 1d10 damage. Even the 2014 MM has the 1d10 damage stat. Why does it look like they now suddenly get an extra damage die?

[harsh hollow]

I don't think monster attacks are beholden to the same rules as regular items.

[feral fulcrum]

Monsters need not work exactly as PC's and PC equipment.

[sudden verge]

Ok. So their damage just got buffed from the 2014 version?

[feral fulcrum]

Yurp

[harsh hollow]

Most damage and healing numbers in 2024 are bigger.

Mechanically monsters aren't using the same rules anyway though, if you look in 2024 instead of spell slots monsters have abilities that work like spells that have daily cooldowns.

[cerulean monolith]

If a monster has equipment that can be given away or retrieved, the items are listed in the Gear entry. The monster’s stat block might include special flourishes that happen when the monster uses an item, and the stat block might ignore Player’s Handbook rules for that item. When used by someone else, a retrievable item uses its Player’s Handbook rules, ignoring any special flourishes in the stat block.

This was also true in 2014, btw, but the wording was different

[sudden verge]

Huh ok gotcha

[feral fulcrum]

Monster has fancy sword PC Picks it up, it instantly turns into a useless piece of crap "Wow that sucks."

[harsh hollow]

RPG tale as old as time. x3

Second only to "Really powerful antagonist joins your team when you beat them and isn't nearly as strong."

[jolly agate]

I think i broke ma own rule

Dammit

@harsh hollow u know ur stuff mate, is ma char too op/too cool?

cuz i might have to uncool ma cow. lower ma game 3/4

[harsh hollow]

It sounds like you only have one "hand" which is your mouth, right?

[jolly agate]

ye and i can only use one handed low weight stuff

[harsh hollow]

And specifically which stat block do you use? Centaur and minotaur work differently.

[jolly agate]

char cuz warlock

idk where i left ma chart last session ngl

[harsh hollow]

Honestly whether it's too OP or not would probably be a discussion for your DM. Are the other players unhappy with you doing too well or something?

[jolly agate]

nah they love it

[harsh hollow]

A character being strong doesn't necessarily make them OP as long as the DM and your other players are happy.

[jolly agate]

not doin too well tho, only doin silly cow stuff

[jolly agate]

Ima talk whit ma DM

[harsh hollow]

Yeah, if you're in doubt about how you're doing that's usually a good place to start.

[fast latch]

There’s such a thing as too OP, there’s no such thing as too cool

[knotty vine]

you can be restrained and still do somatic componets

[fast latch]

Hi Tasha

[knotty vine]

hi Aeon

[fast latch]

As long as your hands can move, I think you can use Somantic components

[knotty vine]

exactly

[jolly agate]

Oh yeah no way ma boy is TOO OP, but there is such thing as too cool

(i mean cmon, no hands. Can't talk whit ma party unless speak to animals get casted, only can use one handed low weight stuff. Plus, im a cow)

[knotty vine]

they can only speak to you for an hour lol

[harsh hollow]

You need to get someone on your team to pick up Speak with Animals.

Oh wait you said that.

[knotty vine]

unless they keep ritual casting speak with animals

which is 10 mins per cast

[jolly agate]

Ma cleric found the Ring of Animal Influence so im happy

[harsh hollow]

I think there's magic items that can help that along.

But there's so many from Griffon's Saddlebag alone that I have a hard time remembering what is and isn't 3rd party.

[knotty vine]

they can cast speak with animals 1d3 times per dawn

[jolly agate]

Wait maybe i should multiclass on druid

To transform into human once per day

[harsh hollow]

That'd be so funny. x3

[jolly agate]

Oooooooor i could always multiclass into bard to use some cool aaah saxophone ma party found

decisions decisions ngl

[loud tendon]

A human is not a "beast" category so it wouldn't work without the DM hand waving it.

[jolly agate]

Discarded

[fast latch]

I got such a good idea

I play a Centaur Str Monk, a friend plays an Elf Dex Fighter with Mounted Combatant, we ride around killing things

[empty thicket]

Peak, wait, being a centaur monk, would let you do a horse kick and add all the buffs?

[elfin kernel]

i have a question

[fast latch]

I would rule yes as a DM, but I don’t know if it’s RAW

[fast latch]

Yeah?

[elfin kernel]

what kind of paint should i use for my dnd minutres

[empty thicket]

if the vampire bite of Dhampir count, i guess a horsekick will too

[fast latch]

I like The Army Painter brand

[elfin kernel]

ok how much is it

[fossil hollow]

Centaur hooves are an Unarmed Strike, so

[fast latch]

The starter set is 43.19 for 11 bottles

[fast latch]

Well that’s sad

[fossil hollow]

what?

[empty thicket]

why?

[fossil hollow]

It means they can work with Martial Arts. Since Martial Arts modified your Unarmed Strikes

[fast latch]

I thought you said no

[fossil hollow]

did i say no?

[fast latch]

Whoops

[cursive sparrow]

Thoughts on half dragons and I mean the one's from Fizbands treasurey of dragons not 2024 monster manual half dragons

[fossil hollow]

Fizban has Half Dragons?

[cursive sparrow]

Yes

There a playable race

[fossil hollow]

Fizban doesnt have playable species option for half dragons. They have a revamped Dragonborn

[cursive sparrow]

Nonetheless you can play as a half dragon

[elfin kernel]

thanks for the info

[fossil hollow]

You could always have reflavored dragonborn as half dragons :v

[cursive sparrow]

Do you know how half dragons are made?

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah Half-Dragons are not a Playable Race, all you get is Dragonborn. Which are easily slotted into Half-Dragons.

[fossil hollow]

I know how theyre made, from the 2014 MM and the 2024 MM

Either direct children of dragons and other beings, or magical creations.

Or creatures that are affected from the dragon's magic after living near a dragon for so long

Ive used the template a shit ton in 2014

[cursive sparrow]

They can be made of 2 ways 1 a ritual or a polymorphed dragon mates with a Humanoid race

[fossil hollow]

Or a Beast, Dragon, Monstrosity

[cursive sparrow]

But a half dragon is a Humanoid race so you can play it

[fossil hollow]

again

[cursive sparrow]

Who said?

[feral fulcrum]

Not really how that works.

[fossil hollow]

RAW, there is no official Half Dragon species

You cannot just apply the template onto yourself either

[lavish flame]

Fizban's has race options, but they're just the Chromatic, Gem, and Metallic Dragonborns

[cursive sparrow]

If it's a Humanoid race you should be able to play it

[fossil hollow]

... what logic is this

[feral fulcrum]

Things being humanoid or not has zero bearing on whether or not they've got Player Charecter blocks.

[fossil hollow]

We also got non Humanoid playable species

[lavish flame]

Honestly I'm hoping for more non-Humanoids as options in the future

Warforged being Constructs and Kalashtar being Aberrations is really cool to me

[hot reef]

Hold Person should be updated to work on anything with a humanoid arrangement of limbs though

[feral fulcrum]

They finally got around to typing them properly.

gestures at Hold Monster

[cursive sparrow]

And you can play a Warforged

[fossil hollow]

and?

There is still no official Half-Dragon race

[feral fulcrum]

Because they're a Playable Species with an actual Player feature block.

[cursive sparrow]

They are

[feral fulcrum]

There are distinct differences from random things you find in the Monster Manual, and Playable Species.

[lavish flame]

I feel similarly about Reincarnate. I wish Reincarnate was future proofed for when there's more Species in the game

[cursive sparrow]

I'd show you the picture of the page from Fisbands treasurey of dragons that has the half dragon if I could

[hot reef]

It’s a much higher level spell, and it implies warforged, goblins, kalashtar, etc aren’t people

[feral fulcrum]

I feel like you're deliberately not paying any attention to the words we're saying to you JakeB, gonna be real honest.

[fossil hollow]

you keep saying they are without a quote or proof

You have the burden of proof rn

[cursive sparrow]

Because I can't pll uf a picture to show you the page from Fisbands book

[lavish flame]

You can quote passages from the text though

[visual elbow]

Was D&D beyond having a lot of issues today or was it just me?

[feral fulcrum]

And having Two Arms, and Two Legs, don't make People either?

[cursive sparrow]

Just forget it fine you guys win

[hot reef]

It’s a better definition than what they have now. Or they could introduce dual creature types (although they may need to errata some other rules for that)

[feral fulcrum]

There's a Half-Dragon monster Statblock in it, yes. But again, Monster Stablocks do not = Player Blocks.

Dual Creature types ain't happening

that ship has looooong since sailed.

[lavish flame]

when did they experiment with that again? was that back when they were figuring out the Gothic Lineages?

[fossil hollow]

yeap. Reborn UA was dual

[empty thicket]

depend of where they are honestly

[fossil hollow]

I think its Reborn. I also remember someone being able to pick between Construct and someone else

[hot reef]

It’s really strange for Hold Person to not work on a PC race

[fossil hollow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[feral fulcrum]

I don't think it's that strange.

[fossil hollow]

I dont think the line should be drawn at wether its a PC race

[feral fulcrum]

It's magic that was built around humans and other common races. It's not weird that it stops working when you use it on a Fairy, or a guy made of metal and wood.

[past blaze]

also the arbitrary changing of so many things away from humanoid, does imply they're no longer a person since charm or hold or dominate person doesn't work on them

[normal canyon]

nvm

[hot reef]

Kalashtar, for instance, have very similar biology to humans with the exception of the Quori connection (which is a mental thing, but they do already have advantage on wisdom saves to represent that)
On the other end, warforged are implied to have the same form of intelligence humanoids have, so if Hold Person is based on the mind, then that becomes a hole

[fossil hollow]

Awakened animals be like:

The only real reason why its called Person/Monster is cuz of older editions anyway

Same with Evil and Good spells

[lavish flame]

Somehow this conversation happens constantly and every time it feels so bad faith and/or gross

[hot reef]

Intelligence doesn’t necessarily equate to a humanoid mind (fiends, celestials, etc)

Although yes it’s a similar thing

[fossil hollow]

Awaken gives them just that though

[hot reef]

It says 10 int+a language

[feral fulcrum]

Detect Bad Vibes and Good Vibes

[hot reef]

Which could very well be interpreted as humanoid, but it doesn’t have to be

For Warforged, them being just as much of a person as traditional humanoids is a large part of their debate within Eberron

[lusty tendon]

how do you guys like my homebrew:
right before combat we enter a prepair stage:
you can prepare for battle +1 (or more depending)
or try to talk your way out of situations or something similar

[harsh hollow]

The scope of what affects you is the only real way creature type can change anything as PC, so of course that's how it works.

[wanton gust]

a player question from today:

Can i use speak with animals on a kenku? (the kenku has been speaking in common mimicry)

[harsh hollow]

I don't think kenku are considered beasts, doesn't the spell specify it works on like, ordinary non-sapient animals?

[wanton gust]

yes xD

[fossil hollow]

Kenku are:

• Sapient
• Sentient
• Not Beasts
• Humanoid/Monstrosities

[hot reef]

RAW, no, Kenku are humanoids and not beasts

[lusty tendon]

but is how is the kenku's intelegence at a certain point technically they are a beast

[fossil hollow]

(Monstrosity for the 2024 statblock)

[wanton gust]

you can comprehend and verbally communicate with Beasts,

[feral fulcrum]

And plants.

[hot reef]

That’s a separate spell

[harsh hollow]

When Kenku were reprinted in MoTM I think they removed the mimicry thing anyway didn't they?

[fossil hollow]

Kenku have 11 INT...

[harsh hollow]

At least the forced one.

[lusty tendon]

mb i thought it was with anything of an int score of like 5 or lower

[fossil hollow]

...

[fossil hollow]

still wouldnt work for these reasons

[feral fulcrum]

It is indeed a seperate spell, but I felt it important to mention because "Person" is a wide, varied thing in D&D land. There's even Sentient weapons that VERY much classify as a Person.

[lusty tendon]

mmm seems pretty speak with animals'y

[hot reef]

You’re thinking of the required intelligence for language

[lusty tendon]

honestly probably

[fossil hollow]

animals have an average int of 3-6. A commoner has 10 on average

6 INT is the likes of Dolphins and Apes

[lusty tendon]

hmm smarter animal then, i understand now

[wanton gust]

see now i think the point thats being missed here is the kenku was speaking IN COMMON

[empty thicket]

ravens and ogres have 5

[sleek cloud]

I too, speak in common

[fossil hollow]

toddler intelligence

[lusty tendon]

ehh thats not the point common or not, i dont speak it,

[harsh hollow]

That's normal for them now, they patched out the curse.

[small heath]

Chat as a druid what's the most stereotypical thing I can do/say when in a city.

[feral fulcrum]

Because most people agreed the Curse was stupid and annoying

[fossil hollow]

"It stinks"

[fossil hollow]

you can only get so far too with the Bee Radio Switching

[empty thicket]

"this forest is weird, it seems made of stone and cut trees"

"the nests of the people are different"

[sleek cloud]

“How bout this weather we’re having?”

[small heath]

Thanks. Our bard is being cringe so I wanna return the favor xd

[feral fulcrum]

The Wizard with Control Weather.

[past blaze]

that's just asking for a review

[fossil hollow]

a what

[knotty vine]

I still think it’s stupid that speak with animals didn’t work on animals with a 4 or higher in 14

[fossil hollow]

cuz typically those animals have a language

Giant variants tended to have their own languages

[knotty vine]

Im pretty sure the ape didn’t have a language

[fossil hollow]

its a monke, they can sign

[knotty vine]

I guess

[normal mauve]

Only one I can think of that has its own language is the giant eagle cause they’re like bastions of good or sum such

[knotty vine]

That’s it I’m summoning a swarm of cranium rats to eat your brain

[fossil hollow]

Eagle, Owl, Elk had languages iirc

[normal mauve]

Thanks

[stray atlas]

so here's a question, which god would y'all say is the most evil?

[normal mauve]

For the faerün pantheon its bhaals himself, he is evil to the point of comedy

For a not hilariously evil option I’d say Loth back when she was actually taken seriously

[fossil hollow]

Cyric

[lavish flame]

Giant Elk even had its own language!

[stray atlas]

I've heard cyric is like marvel loki turned up to 11

[normal mauve]

Cyric is the more serious of the two gods of murder

Most evil god of Greyhawk is Erythnul

[fossil hollow]

exactly

[woven flint]

Cyric is also... A big crybaby baby boy

Mask trolled him hard by becoming his favorite sentient magical weapon for hundreds of years, learning all his secrets and Cyric STILL hasn't gotten back at him

[normal mauve]

A lot of the faerün evil deities seem to be overly emotional

[feral fulcrum]

Evil doesn't typically go hand in hand with Stability and Maturity more often then not.

[woven flint]

That is true

[fossil hollow]

when it does, its terrifying

[normal mauve]

Yes buuut cold emotionless evil and “just a job” evil are probably my favorite brands of evil and we need more of that imo

[feral quartz]

Sanity = 100

[normal canyon]

how long do combats last in dnd. does it last over an hour in dnd time rarely or like never

[fossil hollow]

In game or session time?

[normal canyon]

that would be like 100 turns or smth idk. game time

[normal mauve]

Depends the higher level combat can but lower level combat rarely lasts an in game minute

[fossil hollow]

Average combat lasts 3 rounds, so 18 seconds

[feral fulcrum]

Few combats last a minute.

[fossil hollow]

yeap yeap

[feral fulcrum]

If it lasts a minute, something has gone terribly wrong in the encounter.

[normal canyon]

is all participants decide to do nothing for the entire combat would it still be consdiered combat

[fossil hollow]

dunno

[feral fulcrum]

That'd be a no.

[burnt valley]

Mystra

[feral fulcrum]

Combat involves Combat, if no Combat occurs, and no resources have been expended, all you've done is roll Iniative and stare awkwardly at one another.

[normal canyon]

a combat where resoruces are expended but no damage is done

[normal mauve]

Lmao

[normal canyon]

the god of evil

[normal mauve]

That’s a really bad combat 😭

[feral fulcrum]

Then that's still Combat. Not much of one, but it happens. If a fight is instantly ended by a good Hypnotic Pattern or the like, it was still a Fight.

[normal canyon]

how does one travel mor ethan 3,000 feet in 6 seconds without death.

ik physics don't apply to dnd

[feral fulcrum]

I'm suddenly reminded that my DM has a bossfight entirely dodged by a Psuedodragon critting on their Sting Attack.

[glass granite]

Teleportation

[normal canyon]

through walk speed

[glass granite]

Probably a hyper boosted monk of some kind? Idk

[feral fulcrum]

"I'm gonna kill ya- Ope nevermind doooown I go." Burbles in being poisoned unconscious

[normal mauve]

Closest I could think of is wood elf, max level monk, hasted, with the boots that double speed

[glass granite]

Why not centaur?

[normal canyon]

no like, how does one not die from the g-force

[glass granite]

You answered it here

[feral fulcrum]

Tabaxi Speed builds is how.

[normal canyon]

dnd should add g-force.

[glass granite]

How could I forget

[feral fulcrum]

No, it should not.

[normal mauve]

Wait centaur is playable in 5e?? 😭

[glass granite]

Yupz

[feral fulcrum]

Has been for ages, yes.

[normal canyon]

dnd should also add physics.

[normal mauve]

Dang

[normal canyon]

dnd should become a earth simulation.

[normal mauve]

If you can’t tell I don’t play much 5e despite owning a lot of the sourcebooks

[feral fulcrum]

First published in Theros I believe, one of the few official MTG books.

Then again in Ravnica, and then once more in Monsters of the Multiverse.

Which reprinted many Species

Including all the ones from Witchlight which came out like, a month before it was released. Which I thought was funny.

[normal mauve]

Never picked up monsters of the multiverse because it committed the cardinal sin of taking away my kobold pack tactics

[feral fulcrum]

I liked MOrdy's Kobold more. Wasn't a fan of the Grovel, Cower, Beg nonsense.

[normal mauve]

I liked it, always fit my idea of D&D kobolds

[feral fulcrum]

I prefer my sapient Monsters to have more spine and culture.

And not all be inherent cowards.

[normal mauve]

Normally I’d agree but kobolds being spineless cowards I make an exception for

Goblins are similar though I have always thought of them as tactically spineless as opposed to just being wimps

[lavish flame]

It already kinda has it tho

just... nothing cares about more than 1 G of gravity

[fossil hollow]

i do like it when theres stuff wonky with gravity. general regional effects i love playing around with recently

[normal mauve]

It was 3.5e I believe but there was a spell that just flung your opponent into orbit, it doesn’t kill him iirc he’s just trapped in orbit forever

[fossil hollow]

Nail to the Sky

[lavish flame]

The Immortal special

[fossil hollow]

or Sky Nail. i dont remember excact name, but if the ytshort is correct, its one of those

[fossil hollow]

"where is he?!"

[normal mauve]

THERES A YT SHORT ABOUT IT?!?!?!

Who’s making yt shorts about obscure epic level 3.5 spells

[fossil hollow]

i dont recall the channel name either

i also dont know how to describe him as anything other than a less obnoxious, blonde dndshorts with less beard

[normal mauve]

Ooh it’s the one that talks about broken D&D builds and like talks to himself right?

[fossil hollow]

i... think so?

a lot of them play multiple personas in their vids though

[normal mauve]

True

[limber trail]

that's could be a good five channels to be honest

[fossil hollow]

yeah

dndshorts, zacthebold, the one i cant remember the name too, etc

[normal mauve]

There’s funny advice guy, Asian guy who gets rules wrong all the time, D&Dshorts, zacthebold, and the guy you’re talking about

The one who did DM advice is the og iirc and I actually like his long form content

[fossil hollow]

asian guy kinda pisses me off sometimes, but his non dnd contant is kinda funny

[limber trail]

The guy I'm thinking of is the "Oh woah hold on DM" guy who is by far the most annoying one I see

[normal mauve]

He gets stuff wrong on purpose for engagement bait I am sure

[fossil hollow]

most of them do

[normal mauve]

I’m thinking of DMsLair I think is his name

[fossil hollow]

DnDShorts the bane of my dndxistence

[limber trail]

Most of them either get rules wrong, or play the game in a way that feels unrealistic, or portray situations that on paper seem really bad, and that in actuality would be solved by saying "no"

[normal mauve]

Real

[limber trail]

separate guy

[normal mauve]

Aigh

[fossil hollow]

big beard? DnDShorts

glasses + accent? MonkeyDM

[normal mauve]

I hate his stuff so much

[fossil hollow]

Curly hair and clearly insane? ZactheBold

/j

[normal mauve]

He’s the only funny D&D shorts guy honestly

[fossil hollow]

on another topic relating to dnd tubers though, dungeon dad has recently become my recent favorite with his monster of the wek vids. i wanna run his ash giants

and adamantine dragon

[normal mauve]

I’ve loved his stuff for a while

[river vector]

well that was the toughest fight my dnd party has had so far

[fossil hollow]

also the orange and mithral

[normal mauve]

I love older edition monsters and I’m glad they get some love

[river vector]

Warlock got mind controlled and oneshot artificer

[fossil hollow]

i wanna run all the dragons

[river vector]

stayed mind controlled until an enemy used an attack that deals damage to cancel it

[fossil hollow]

#tales-from-the-table

[normal mauve]

Fugg it entire party is dragons

[limber trail]

level20dm is the guy I was thinking of

[fossil hollow]

i cant find the list of dragons ive ru- oh its on my personal server

[river vector]

thank you

[limber trail]

Absurd videos solely based on the premise of "What if the players never told the DM what they were doing, what if the DM never said no, and what if the DM started all of their games at level 10+ without looking at their players' character sheets

[normal mauve]

I have run maybe 4 dragons in my career and I’ve been DMing since I was 12

[fossil hollow]

dragons and giants are my most run monsters

[fickle heart]

"What if everyone is the problem?!"

[fossil hollow]

to the point one of my players is kinda sick of em lmao

[normal mauve]

I loooove giants

[limber trail]

It truly seems like the least fun way to play a dnd game

[normal mauve]

Beasthead Giant Psionic my beloved

[fossil hollow]

oh wait! i can add aurinax to the list now! one gold dragon

dammit i also forgot old smelter, a brass

[limber trail]

I've got two* with only about a year of DMing

*I ran one but the players evaded combat with them

[fossil hollow]

moar

well, im off to make a spriggan statblock

[limber trail]

I need to make stat blocks... I have a good 5 stat blocks for generic guys i still need

[normal mauve]

I promised myself I wouldn’t run a dragon themed game till I ran a Dragonlance campaign

Unfortunately my players have the Dark Sun and Greyhawk itch so there’s no dragons for me in the near future

[fossil hollow]

funnily enough, my dragonlance game has only seen one actual dragon (dragonnels dont count)

[fossil hollow]

greyhawk is filled with dragons too me thought

[limber trail]

Actually you're gonna get to add a whole new type of dragon to that on thursday

[fossil hollow]

yeah, first gold

[normal mauve]

Depends on where you are I guess, they aren’t uncommon but they aren’t everywhere either

[limber trail]

Aurinax yeah

[normal mauve]

Technically Dark Sun is the most likely to see a dragon since anyone who can cast arcane magic is a potential dragon lol

[fossil hollow]

its funny, since waterdeep has a no dragon rule, so i cant even touch pseudodragons

im being forced to run humanoids and beholders dammit

[normal mauve]

Would someone partially turned into a dragon count or does the transformation have to be finished

[umbral girder]

Just have the dragon be underground

[fossil hollow]

yeah, on thursday thats exactly what the waterdeep menaces are dealing with

[feral fulcrum]

Dark Souls Gaping Dragon moment in the Sewers.

[umbral girder]

I was thinking Dungeon of the Mad Mage but that works too

Since that is under Waterdeep

[fossil hollow]

both are in waterdeep, so

[burnt valley]

Dragon shaped beholder

[normal mauve]

We lost a lot of fun beholders 😔 RIP beholder tree

[fossil hollow]

funny you say that, cuz i wanna use an eyedrake now

[fossil hollow]

we got some variants in motm. death kiss, gazer, to name a few

[burnt valley]

Dragon shaped humanoid

[fossil hollow]

dragonflesh grafters got you covered. also half dragons, dragonborn, and dragonchosen. also metallic dragons and gem dragons

[normal mauve]

Dang no image perms

21 gun salute for the crab beholder, beholder man, fent beholder, spider beholder, and centipede beholder

[fossil hollow]

the what beholder

[umbral girder]

Oh yeah the Beholder that eats magic items is one too

[normal mauve]

Which one are you referring to?

[fossil hollow]

fent

[normal mauve]

Ah

Yeah they’re actually in 5e, just the 2e spectator art makes them look like they’re on hardcore drugs

[fossil hollow]

pffft

[normal mauve]

I’m serious

[wild remnant]

what's going on

[fossil hollow]

OH. I know the art youre talking about!

[normal mauve]

lol

[fossil hollow]

back when monsters were literally geometry

[normal mauve]

Lmfao

Lensmen are my favorite beholderkin

I’m not even sure why

[junior spade]

As a hexblade after you kill the person you hex cursed can you switch it to a different person or

[normal mauve]

I believe so

[feral fulcrum]

What does the Feature say? if it mentions it can swap, then it can swap, if it doesn't, then it don't.

[junior spade]

Oh? Cowabummer

And it's once per longrest 💔

[normal mauve]

I’m stealing this

[junior spade]

Ty

[limber trail]

once per short or long rest

[tepid fiber]

i died and went to hell but the person who owned my soul drags me out so now i have a cool demon form

selling my soul was the best decision i made in DND now i cant die

[junior spade]

Eh same thing

[limber trail]

not really

short rests are much easier to get off, you're probably taking tons as a warlock

[empty thicket]

The not so nice to demons Paladin:

[tepid fiber]

i can get dragged out of hell if i die

the reason why i died is because i tried to do what Ness does in smash bros so i casted thundercast on myself to try to launch myself at the target and then failed and died

[empty thicket]

Im having an image of the paladin giving you a whole talk about how he would search you and take you down every time you came back. Like, idk if someone would catch it but like when yuji almost killed mahito in Jujutsu kaisen.

[tepid fiber]

im a DND newcomer why do paladins hate demons?

[empty thicket]

Normally religious reasons, their divine smite do extra damage to fiends and undeads, so demons and zombies

[tepid fiber]

ahh

[empty thicket]

Same could be said of cleric, but its more fitting for a Paladin being the one chasing down

[tepid fiber]

my new demon form has lots of faces all over my body, These faces have the voice of the voices that talk to my head because yknow my character is canonically schizophrenic, (its not supposed to be edgy its supposed to be funny)

we have chuckles the clown talk to me sometimes

[empty thicket]

"Why all the people in the town is scared of me?" 😭

[tepid fiber]

funny thing is im actually the former mayor of a town that was destroyed and the townspeople (who are all dead) talk to me

i sold my soul to build a new town didnt know it came with the benefit of eternal life

[feral fulcrum]

Because Demons are Chaotic Evil, and do demonly things, like wanton slaughter, profane and unspeakable acts, and all the typical "Wow that's evil." behaviors.

The vast majority of sane beings hate demons.

Hard to like your Not So Local Serial Killer, don'tcha know.

[tepid fiber]

fair

i thought they were just another species

[feral fulcrum]

There are a great many species of Devils, Demons, Yugaloths, and such.

And most people know better then to associate with them, or be in the same postal code as them. Because it rarely goes well.

Demons, famous backstabbers and prone to wanton slaughters the second they slip the leash. Devils, famous for making you really, really, really, really regret not reading the fine print, or thinking things through, or being desperate and stupid enough to bargain with them, prone to giving you long 'staycations' in the Hells.

[knotty pasture]

Without multiclassing, what kinda melee weapons do you guys use on an Artillerist Artificer, 2014

[empty thicket]

some species have "tendencies", like orks to be aggressive or elfs being neutrals.
It kinda help to build up a personality or just know what you can expect when interacting with one

[knotty pasture]

Not all Paladins hate Demons for the record

Anyone can be a Paladin, good or bad

As long as they stick to their oath (some of them swear oaths to more selfish/negative feelings and causes) and can justify it its safe

[harsh hollow]

Usually the subclass has a pretty solid idea of what their oath is. The newest one kind of stretches that idea a bit because it's pretty vague, but it's mechanics look like a lot of fun at least.

[daring violet]

My group killed there pet jambo and it was meant to be a big thing in the end what should I do

Pls help @me pls

[harsh hollow]

@daring violet I mean the most straightforward way would probably be to switch gears towards some way to resurrect it.

[daring violet]

Ight makes sense should I introduce a nice that can do that

[wanton raft]

Hey guys. I'm thinking of a high elf cantrip for a rogue. I'm considering firebolt (cause fiyahhhh) or minor illusion or mage hand

[worn lagoon]

Okay

[still plover]

Well, firebolt doesn't work with sneak attack, but I could imagine a few situations where a rogue could make use of either of the other spells.

[echo meteor]

dang… goblins in 2024 now get sneak attack

[humble cairn]

Are you talking about Fury of the Small?

[echo meteor]

no, the monsters just have sneak attack now

[north lake]

I might actually be able to get in an in-person game, finally! It’s been quite a while since I was able to schedule an online game, and even longer since I’ve had a game irl

[humble cairn]

Ah

[knotty pasture]

Minor Illusion is nice

Alternatively consider Ray of Frost

[knotty vine]

Last one standing wins?

[knotty vine]

the old rules were super wonky when it came to leveled spells

[stable cypress]

where should I go to find help on this google sheets player sheet ive been working on? I need thoughts and reccomendations

[stiff rock]

Where on their statblock dies it mention they get sneak attack?

[echo meteor]

under the attack

[stiff rock]

Oh damn, never noticed

[tidal bough]

Yeah its technically not sneak attack, but extra dmg on adv

[knotty vine]

extra damage on adv aint sneak attack its just extra damage

thats been a thing since before 24

[still plover]

Say, "Hey, can anyone give me some thoughts and recommendations on this character sheet I've been working on? Here's the link: " and fill in the blank.

[marble lion]

#character-discussion would be where to put it

[still plover]

I read it as a character sheet for players to use for recording their details rather than an individual character like Robbie the Ranger.

[marble lion]

Oh fair

[undone rain]

I wonder if you can technically make mario in dnd

[knotty vine]

A human fighter?

[undone rain]

You still need his powerups like the fireflower

A wizard combined with fighter considering mario uses a hammer in some spinoffs

[knotty vine]

Eldritch knight fighter

[marble lion]

Id say unarmed runeknight with magic items

Big mario is iconic

Take magic initiate to get firebolt

[knotty vine]

How would you get the star power up..

[marble lion]

I dont know what that really is

[undone rain]

Globe of invulnerability

[marble lion]

Wait why not the barbarian big class

[knotty vine]

Too stupid

[marble lion]

Mario throws things a lot

[undone rain]

And ray of frost for ice flower that he uses in new super mario wii

[knotty vine]

Yeah but certain people can just enter the globe via teleporting then your not so invulnerable

[undone rain]

Yeah but its basically the closest to being unkillable as possible

Could also multiclass into druid with all the animals suit power ups he has

[knotty vine]

Invulnerability punching the air rn

[undone rain]

I didnt know that was a thing lol

So you technically can make mario

[cedar kindle]

what's the best way to earn money? I'm an artificer and to get item infusions I need a blueprint which costs half of the cost of the actual item and they're like worth thousands and was wondering if there was a more efficient way than just selling random loot

[knotty pasture]

Depends on your dm

Outside of exploits not particularly

[halcyon forum]

Thats a massive house rule nerf to Artificer btw

[cedar kindle]

yeahh I think it was to prevent me from being too hitty since it's my first time being an artificer and we all start at level 1 or something like that

all's well and everyone's having fun tho so, the only thing in my mind rn is how to get more money lol, I chose alchemy jug, bag of holding, and sending stones as my first item infusions and am planning on getting alchemy jug first

[halcyon forum]

Well artificer is balanced without any nerfs so that’s like preventing a rogue from using sneak attacks

I guess if you have an alchemy jug, you could start selling the stuff it produces

[inner silo]

Is divination magic just predicting the future?

[halcyon forum]

No

[inner silo]

What else is it?

[halcyon forum]

Any form of information gathering really

[inner silo]

Thanks for explaining! Are there any good early game divination spells?

[knotty pasture]

Detect Magic, See Invisibility, Tongues

[inner silo]

Oki, thanks!

[knotty vine]

Tongues

[cedar kindle]

it's also pretty expensive so I'm just scraping gold now, last session I sheared the farmer's 10 sheep some wolves killed and got me like 100 gold 🥲

I was just wondering if there were any other ways

[halcyon forum]

That’s something only your DM can answer

Possibly offering spellcasting as service maybe?

[knotty pasture]

Outside of exploits no, unless your DM or campaign allows it

[cedar kindle]

oh so it's okay to ask them abt any other ways to earn money?

[knotty vine]

I’m legit working a job in my Sunday campaign for 8 copper a day

[cedar kindle]

thought it would count as metagame

[cedar kindle]

man I earned 20 gold per 1 sweater's worth of wool

[cedar kindle]

ooh yeah a mending service?

[knotty pasture]

Its not metagaming to ask dm stuff

[knotty vine]

I low-key enjoy it through just cause I’m a silly af character in this super serious campaign

[glass granite]

You can advertise it or look around in game, I’d imagine, but it shouldn’t be

[knotty pasture]

It is metagaming if you search up the campaign you're playing in and search for ways to make money

[cedar kindle]

it's not a set thingy so like

[idle oar]

It's okay to ask the DM, out of game, of ways your character can make money in game and that your character would know about. Nothing wrong asking also how the DM wants to handle in-game economics.

[cedar kindle]

my party claims I'm greedy and capitalistic (I really need every gold I can get)

[burnt valley]

Creation -> Fabricate with smith's tools?

[knotty pasture]

Either its griefing your team or take a stance to be greedy, I think its clear which one they prefer

[burnt valley]

dnd is getting too real, they getting minimum wage jobs now

[cedar kindle]

elaborate?

[idle oar]

I'd still check with the DM (and possibly the group) as turning the game into a microeconomics adventure may not be what the group finds fun or wants to engage in.

[cedar kindle]

I've offered my team some gold help but I've just never gone out of my way to spoil them lolol

I also take my fairy teammate's fairy dust :∆

[cedar kindle]

icicic I'll do just that! thank y'all very much

[burnt valley]

2 casters circle cast Creation to create a 5ft cube of iron then you cast fabricate with smith's tools proficiency to print Plate armour (doesn't say what counts as "raw material")

[cedar kindle]

we're at level 3 rn so lol

[knotty vine]

This is true

[burnt valley]

ah darn, then keep this one in mind once you get to around Lvl 8-9

[cedar kindle]

ALSO I'VE BEEN WANTING TO ASK

how dangerous is it for me to ask for a cursed sentient armor

[cedar kindle]

will do!! thank you so much!

[knotty vine]

Mildly annoying to straight up deadly depending on the curse

[cedar kindle]

uhh idk the curse but I wanted the armor to be like venom I thought it'd be fun roleplay wise but uhhh

[burnt valley]

That's like tantamount to letting your DM to mess with your character, I say don't do it (avoiding deals with the devil type thing)

[cedar kindle]

we've made a blood pack with a devil first session 😥

[inner silo]

Maybe it screams "Six Seven" whenever those numbers come up? Sounds like a balanced curse

[cedar kindle]

LMAO there's a character in my party who freezes up whenever they hear six seven

[knotty vine]

That would get old fast

[burnt valley]

wait, if its specifically symbiotes, the armour would have a vulnerability to fire and thunder damage one of which are the most common damage types 💀

[knotty vine]

I mean fire maybe thunder definitely

[cedar kindle]

dm said in exchange for curse the armor has a special something (which idk what, I think I can pick), I wanted to create the armor by combining it with organic materials and shtuff so like

[inner silo]

Yes. It would be very annoying and destroy any reliability of stealth

[lost flicker]

is there a such thing as a greatbow ?

[inner silo]

Fire and thunder are both venoms biggest weaknesses

[burnt valley]

whenever it screams "Six Seven", everyone that can hear it within 30ft radius must make an intelligence dc 16 saving throw or take 2d8 psychic damage and be befuddled for a minute

[knotty vine]

Yea

It’s a specific weapon called over sized long bow you have to be a medium creature to use it and it does 2d6+ your strength mod rather then dex

[still plover]

What's the source?

[knotty vine]

Water deep dragon heist

[inner silo]

Ngl using strength for ranged weapons, at least bows, makes more sense

[knotty vine]

It’s still kinda stupid because still need dex for the “to hit”

[inner silo]

Oh fr? That's dum dum

I'd homebrew it to use purely strength

[knotty vine]

Yeah and you need I think at minimum 18 strength to use it

[lost flicker]

In pathfinder I think it's DEX for attack and STR for damage

which is interesting

[lost flicker]

that's pretty cool though, long range maul lol

[knotty vine]

The bow requires 18 Str and a size of Medium or larger to wield

It deals piercing damage equal to 2d6 + the wielder's Str modifier

Note that it would still require a Ranged attack roll (with Dex) to hit.

[still plover]

Pathfinder, pssh. D&D for nerds! /hj

[knotty vine]

It is i would just make the small change that is uses all strength rather then dex and strength

Like needing to have an 18 in strength already makes it pretty crazy stat wise

[lost flicker]

I'm testing a homebrew statblock tomorrow and making one of my players a sheet for it- battlemaster fighter, has a 16 in strength and a 17 in dex before any ASI's or feats

[burnt valley]

if you could pick, have every weapon it latches onto into an oversized weapon but reduces your movement speed the larger it gets (up to gargantuan)

gargantuan +1 longbow :))))))))

[cedar kindle]

OOHHHH

[knotty vine]

An over sized weapon variant of weapons would be cool ngl

Lemme be guts fr

That’s the true fantasy

[wanton raft]

Does it work with sneak attack?

[glass granite]

No

They’re not a ranged or finesse weapon

[lost flicker]

what's the best magic weapon in the game and why is it the Dragon's Wrath Weapon

[burnt valley]

4d8 with a gargantuan longbow :))))))

[knotty vine]

How much would an oversized great sword do..

[burnt valley]

8d6

like a melee range single target fireball

[knotty pasture]

No that's just a spell, but it does have a chance to slow the enemy

You won't be using spells for damage anyways so utility is nice

[still plover]

I'd go for the utility, yeah.

[wanton raft]

Hmm. True. Maybe I'll go minor illusion

(And firebolt for the future)

Arcane trickster subclass

[knotty pasture]

Just pack ray of frost somewhere

You don't need fire bolt as a way to do damage

[inner silo]

Is mind sliver decent as the only damaging cantrip?

[knotty pasture]

Cuz you can just sneak attack with a bow

Probably not, you ideally want two cantrips that use attack rolls/saving throws respectively

[glass granite]

May I suggest booming blade if you have it?

[inner silo]

Green flame blade is a good sword cantrip too iirc

[glass granite]

I like booming blade on rogues

[knotty pasture]

A bit worse than Booming but it works

[inner silo]

Get in, hit them, disengage, get out. And they can't move

Even better on a swashbuckler

[knotty pasture]

Its funny, the more I deep dive into the maths behind Swash the more I realize how middling it is and that it was weirdly overhyped

[still plover]

Rule 1 of successful illusionists is to chat with your DM first. Come up with three or four ideas, agree how they might work.

It's so disheartening to make a dangerous magical forcefield and have the enemy run through it, or to camouflage yourself among nature and eat an arrow because who doesn't count how many rocks and tree stumps are around them at all times?

[knotty pasture]

The opposite of how Rangers are treated

[inner silo]

It has fun flavour

[knotty pasture]

But flavoring is free

[inner silo]

It gives abilities that add to the flavour

[knotty pasture]

Its still v much free

[still plover]

Part of Swashbuckler is the mobility. You can't put a DPR value on being able to reach the altar in time to save the world!

[knotty pasture]

Wait doesn't Arcane Trickster/Soulknife have more mobility on that front

[inner silo]

What subclass would you use if you wanted to play a highly mobile dual wielding/rapier using duelist?

[knotty pasture]

Soulknife mobility is addicting

Uhh Arcane Trickster

[inner silo]

Duelist as in 1 on 1 fighting character

[worn lagoon]

i dig this ngl

[inner silo]

Because booming blade?

[knotty pasture]

Not necessarily any Rogue has that burst damage give or take

[wanton raft]

I don't

[knotty pasture]

But Arcane Trickster does have Booming Blade + Misty Step + Invisibility etc etc

[glass granite]

I like prestidigitation too

[still plover]

Presti is the best. I.

[cedar kindle]

that would genuinely be crazy

[knotty pasture]

Does Rogue really wanna waste precious spell slots on prestidigitation

Like its great but Rogue spell slots are so strapped

[still plover]

It's a cantrip.

[burnt valley]

gets crazier if your DM allows firearms but im gonna assume they dont

[inner silo]

Ig the spellcasting subclass would be better. Though if you don't want to resort to spells, swashbuckler would probably be the best at it's job or at least one of the best

[wanton raft]

Oh I was mentioning High elf cantrip (booming blade isn't one) I'm still lvl 1, haven't subclassed yet.

[cedar kindle]

I have a 1d8 pistol as a starting item lol

[knotty pasture]

I'm sure it is one

Booming Blade is a Wizard cantrip, check again

[wanton raft]

I'm a rogue

[knotty pasture]

High Elf cantrips are taken off the Wizard's cantrip list

[inner silo]

It's not in the core books iirc so might be unavalible on dnd beyond if that's what they use

[wanton raft]

Oh... must be a roll20 issue then

[inner silo]

Or rather not in the phb

[knotty pasture]

Arcane Trickster itself has Booming Blade too but if you're meleeing you can grab from High Elf, no need to wait

[merry pine]

Is there any official rule that says npcs notice when a spell is being cast? I mean I know with somatic and verbal components it makes sense but does it say they will notice or have a chance to notice in the rules?

[knotty pasture]

By RAW not necessarily no

[glass granite]

Booming blade isn’t free basic rules or PHB iirc, that could be why

[knotty pasture]

Its just that magic isn't exactly quiet unless you use subtle spell metamagic

[wanton raft]

Yup. I'm using free basic rules to create the character

[burnt valley]

AWESOME, i hope that you'll get stuff like Laser Pistols/Rifles later on

[knotty pasture]

And there's presumably visual magical effects on use too

[cedar kindle]

I hope so too! I'll be trying to make my own guns soon boutta invent the revolver

[merry pine]

do you guys allow them a chance to roll to hide a cast or do you just say no it is noticed if its verbal/somatic?

[glass granite]

Could’ve sworn it was from Tasha’s

Oh nvm

[glass granite]

Not usually, no

That’s what subtle spell is for

[knotty vine]

You have to say it loud enough for the weave to notice

[wanton raft]

I went with minor illusion with Ray of frost for later levels/subclassing

Considered mage hand but my sleight of hand is decent

[merry pine]

i make them roll sleight of hand if they use mage hand for anything tricky so the two can be pared if thats how the DM does it

[knotty vine]

The gith are such an underrated race

[worn lagoon]

depends on the spell

[burnt valley]

A laser pistol has 3d6 base damage die (radiant), if gargantuan it'll be 12d6 (it'd be funny if ur revolver is like 2d8 cuz then it'll be 8d8 as a gargantuan weapon)

[cedar kindle]

that thingy and every time I wear the armor I need to const saving throw first

[merry pine]

I actually do a sleight of Hand (int) roll because I like when I can mix in no standard attributes with proficiencies

[wanton raft]

True.

[wanton raft]

I'm sorry... laser pistol?

[burnt valley]

yesss (pick up Resilient: Con tho)

[knotty vine]

Dnd stuff

[burnt valley]

Yuh its a thing

[cedar kindle]

feat?

[knotty vine]

Futuristic tab

[glass granite]

Yes

[burnt valley]

yes if you wanna consistently use the armour's benefits

[wanton raft]

I thought d&D was like idk old epic fantasy sorta

[cedar kindle]

yeah it's awesome besides being the only person in my party with firearm proficiency

[wanton raft]

I'm new though. Mostly

[knotty vine]

Have you not see spell jammers?

[cedar kindle]

gotcha gotcha, now I'm just waiting for when my dm introduces it

[burnt valley]

nahh depends on the setting, spell jammers def canon tho

[glass granite]

Usually laser pistols aren’t in an average dnd game, but some games use them.

[wanton raft]

Oh oh like a homebrew sorta?

[glass granite]

More like an optional rule

[burnt valley]

no, its an optional rule

[cedar kindle]

also for my other proficiency for artisan's tool I picked alchemist supplies is that ight or were there better choices

[wanton raft]

Neat tbh

[wanton raft]

Got it!

[merry pine]

its hard to balance high tech weapons. You expect them to be more powerful than more primitive weapons (at least non-magical ones)

[knotty vine]

Wdym “primitive”

[burnt valley]

ammunition is a pain though

[merry pine]

swords

[cedar kindle]

repeating shot

[knotty vine]

Swords are primitive?

[merry pine]

Do we still use them in our military?

[knotty vine]

Us no other military’s yes

[cedar kindle]

really?

[burnt valley]

Ohh yeah that works too

[cedar kindle]

I don't get the property of repeating shot to remove loading, does that mean there are other weapons that requires you to spend an action loading it up again?

[cyan idol]

Hellooo, just joined, only found out there was an official server for DnD so thought I might aswell come

[glass granite]

Usually you can only shoot once per action/bonus action if you lack Loading

[knotty vine]

Primitive aka the Stone Age was 2.5 million years ago the first swords were made in the early Bronze Age

[merry pine]

ok

[knotty vine]

Loading means you can make only 1 attack with that weapon no matter how many extra attacks you have

[merry pine]

You created that definition by the way. "relating to, denoting, or preserving the character of an early stage in the evolutionary or historical development of something.
"primitive mammals" according to the dictionary

[limber trail]

Yes - crossbows and firearms have the loading property, which as others have stated means you can only make one attack with that weapon per attack action.

[still plover]

Any ideas for your illusions? (#dnd-discussion message)

[knotty vine]

Yeah but dnd characters ain’t primitive through

[knotty pasture]

Muskets and pistols let's go

[merry pine]

I said swords are more primitive than lasers. I stand by thart

[knotty vine]

Most campaigns at minimum have black powder

[cedar kindle]

so if I enchant my pistol with a repeating shot how many attacks would I be able to make

[burnt valley]

smoke powder :c

[knotty vine]

As many attacks as you get normally

[limber trail]

as many as you can normally make when you take the attack action

[cedar kindle]

huh idgi

so like a revolver with loading have 6d8 can it only do 1d8?

[knotty vine]

Wait what

[limber trail]

Do you mean a revolver or a pistol?

Because those are different weapons that have different rules

[knotty vine]

Revolvers have reloading

Meaning they can make 6 shots before needing to be reloaded

[cedar kindle]

also for my other proficiency for artisan's tool I picked alchemist supplies is that ight or were there better choices

[cedar kindle]

I js gave like a revolver as an example mb I have a pistol rn but idg the loading thing

cuz I can only do one attack which is my standard action no?

[marble lion]

Loading property forbids multiple attacks in one turn using that weapon

Getting rid of that just lifts the barrier. It doesnt grant extra shots

[limber trail]

Correct. It's most useful for multiclasses which get extra attack, and battlesmiths/armorers who get extra attack as a part of their subclass

[knotty vine]

Renaissance area weapons have reloading: pistol musket (there’s a 3rd but I forgot the name
Modern weapons have reloading: revolvers automatic rifles etc etc

[cedar kindle]

good thing I took armorer then

[merry pine]

They have a Gunslinger class on D&D beyond. I got it but havent had a chance to try it yet.

[knotty vine]

That’s 3rd party and it’s kinda meh

[limber trail]

So at level 5 you'll be able to make 2 attacks per turn. Normally, only one of those can be with your pistol, but if you enchant it with repeating shot, you can use a pistol for both attacks.

[cedar kindle]

wharrabout this one cuz I took alchemist thinking I couuld make pots but turns out only herbalist can

[marble lion]

Repeating pistols just mean you dont need to load between each shot, letting you use features like extra attack

[wanton raft]

I don't have any ideas beyond walls to mask presence and sounds of screaming as a distraction

[cedar kindle]

okay that makes more sense

[limber trail]

Aquables please do not read this because it'll only confuse you more.

Okay so technically not true, you can still make more attacks, it just can't be with that weapon.

[knotty vine]

Wait grung are immune to poison?

I didn’t know that

[marble lion]

Right

[cedar kindle]

icicic, thank y'all for the clear up!

[still plover]

Mind the maximum size of the spell for your visual illusions. A dungeon hallway is easily ten feet wide and high!

[glass granite]

(For example, a gun monk choosing to shoot and punch with extra attack even though they don’t have loading)

[knotty vine]

are the scions the biggest creatures in dnd 5e?

[limber trail]

the exact situation I was thinking of

[glass granite]

I wonder why…/lhj

[wanton raft]

Thank you!

[knotty vine]

i still think its silly that in VTOS that the submachine gun has the light prop meaning it can be used with a bonus action if you build for that sort of thing

[tidal bough]

Realest question of all time, you get to be one character irl using 2024 rules and expanded 2024/2014 rules at lvl 3, what levels/subclass are you taking and why

Feel free to specify if theres something thats specifically useful to you as well

[knotty pasture]

Its just an inflexible poor man's Battle Master btw

[knotty vine]

Just like the subclass

[glass granite]

Level 3 divination wizard variant human with the keen mind feat.

Portent is just extremely convenient to have, spells are always gonna be useful (looking at you, mending) and keen mind’s memory is gonna be helpful for a student

Plus good intelligence is nice

[glad arch]

Paladin immune to disease and at level 3 you get to cure 3 diseases a day sounds pretty cool

[glass granite]

Good pick

[knotty vine]

Druid 2014 I can become animals I’ve seen and if I’m moon Druid I can become stuff like bears and stuff

Not to mention the spells

[glad arch]

Oath of redemption gives you a 'become more social' channel divinity

For 10 minutes you become more persuasive lol

[sonic shuttle]

We cancelled our dnd campaign after 3 months of waiting :< i expected it, I dont think Ill ever play it tbh

Properly *

[normal mauve]

Oof I hope you find a campaign soon

[knotty pasture]

Tbh if its 3 months isn't it practically disbanded by that point

Shame it had to be official though

[tidal bough]

Variant human doesnt exist in 2024 rules

[tidal bough]

Ngl would be a goated dr for common colds etc

[undone rain]

What even is a variant human

[eager marsh]

it's just default human now. old default human was a meme

[tidal bough]

Its a 2014 expanded rules version of human that made all other versions of human bad because it was that much better (it was better because it gave you a free feat at creation)

[eager marsh]

other versions? you mean the one?

[undone rain]

That dosent sound balanced

[tidal bough]

Marks included

[tidal bough]

It wasn't, I ended up just balancing it by making it so every race/species gained a free feat at creation excluding those that already gained a free feat like variant human

Or just banning it outright

That and custom lineages

[glad arch]

Common cold? Nah we curing the big stuff

[tidal bough]

Cool in theory but not so cool when you have a massive power imbalance

[tidal bough]

Oh tru tru, could have used you back in 2020 ngl

[glad arch]

With this change you dont even need to ban them, thats like the one thing humans get

[tidal bough]

Oh wait sorry bahahaha, yeah I mean not quite

This was 2014 human not 2024

[glad arch]

2014 v human has
2 ability scores +1, worse then i think all species who get +2 +1
1 skill proficiency, where most species get one anyways
A feat, which now everyone else has

Noone that doesnt wanna play human for the roleplay aspect would pick human species if everyone gets a feat

[burnt valley]

helps out martials a ton tho, saves up 1 feat tax

[eager marsh]

The entire point was that human gets a feat over everyone else. Back in 3.5 lv1 feats was a default rule and human just got two. It was their versatility bonus. Which should have stayed the case in 5e but for some reason feats were regarded as a variant rule originally and nobody got them at lv1

[tidal bough]

Thats the whole point, giving people the option rather than having there be one blaring stronger than almost everything else in 75% of scenarios

Otherwise all the games that I ran were just 5 humans and one goblin because a person that thought goblins were funny

[knotty pasture]

Dragonmarked Humans are pretty strong on their own, its just regular PHB human being a meme of a race

Variant Human is ofc one of the strongest versions of Human that being said

[tidal bough]

Once I added the rule there were still 1-3 humans but generally more races/species

[eager marsh]

If everyone gets a feat and human gets one extra then it’s much less of a power imbalance. And 2024 proved that already by making that the case even if origin and asi feats are now different

[knotty pasture]

Dragonmarked Humans are a nice middle ground

[tidal bough]

I definitely prefer the 2024 approach to humans

Makes them viable without being too strong that they almost need to be taken

[remote wadi]

Quick question

[sonic shuttle]

We weren't planning anything, we just mentioned wanting to do it plus who was the dm and that we would do a night session where we introduced the world

There is also a chance she just didnt wanna say the others didn't want to include me

[knotty pasture]

Mark of Making Humans may have been the most balanced version of a Human even if it doesn't feel Human like

[remote wadi]

When a perk or an ability activates on rolling a 20 for attack rolls, would it also activate on situations that result in a critical hit?

[hot gate]

No, the two are mechanically distinct.

[remote wadi]

Eg. Assassin, paralyzed targets, or the champion subclass

[cobalt owl]

Rolling a 20 is different to rolling a crit

[normal mauve]

Crits are only a thing in combat

[remote wadi]

Ah. That's unfortunate

[cobalt owl]

The wording would have to be general like "critically hit"

[normal mauve]

BG3 has confused so many people I swear

[cobalt owl]

It happens

[remote wadi]

Nah, this was not from BG3

[cobalt owl]

Also bg3 does a good job of teaching most things

[remote wadi]

This was from 2024's Irresistible Offense

[cobalt owl]

Its the minor differences that trip people up

[hot gate]

That's sort of beside what we're talking about, but it's true in a fashion.

[remote wadi]

Also, I'd say the biggest thing that annoys me in BG3 is that there are very few mods for the Gunslinger class

Most do it terribly, the one exception is an all in one mod that gives quite a bit, but takes away a lot too

[normal mauve]

My only gripe is the modder who made the berserk mods has yet to port them to console (kidding though I really hope they do)

[knotty pasture]

The all in one mod is pretty nice

[limber trail]

It's because adding guns requires some creative reuse of existing animations and new assets

[cobalt owl]

Modding is hard work

[limber trail]

Modding itself is hard work

let alone adding in new weapon types and full class features

[remote wadi]

No, they do have several mods for firearms

In fact, more than the class itself

[remote wadi]

It's half and half for me... the bad half is that they also neutered Short Rests and Wizard subclasses. Both range from less useful to genuinely meaningless

[knotty pasture]

I don't think the all in one Fighter mod changes short rests

And Wizard still doesn't have an all in one pack

[remote wadi]

Not for a specific class. The mod in question is 2024 PHB AIO

[knotty pasture]

Mostly cuz the dunamancy subclasses and spells are its own

Oh right nvm, of course 2024 mods would leave out stuff

[limber trail]

I would assume the gunslinger class interacts with guns in some way, and therefore it'd need to include guns in its own mod - you can't really easily piggyback off of other mods. It also needs to include a full class, and subclasses, which I am assuming is quite full on.

[remote wadi]

The thing is, you do have the option to use hit die to recover HP, but does so without needing to use a short rest

Meaning that it's only really useful for restoring abilities and whatnot

As for wizard subclasses, they all give nothing with the mod. No cheaper/free spell learning, no special side grade like portent die, nothing

[knotty pasture]

I'd just use the Artificer mod for guns tbf

[remote wadi]

Another thing

They do have a mod that uses the class and most subclasses of it well. My annoyance is that it's part of the AIO instead of an option as a standalone mod

[knotty pasture]

Was Gunslinger changed in 2024 again

Cuz you can just stick to the 2014 ver now that I think about it

[remote wadi]

It's a bit tricky, but the free Beyond book is what they had for this mod

[spring light]

i think i'm gonna see about posting an ad for my in person game... gotta be players in my area on here

[glad arch]

maybe but goodluck finding them

just make sure to follow the rules when mentioning the location

seeing as all the rules allow is "Exact location (an approximate location like country, continent, or time zone is fine)."

[spring light]

we've already got like 15 players, but wanna keep it growing.

[glad arch]

nice community

hopefully not all playing one game

[spring light]

nah, 3 tables

[glad arch]

1 dm 14 players, now that seems like a punishment worthy of dm hell

[glad arch]

perfect group sizes

[spring light]

for one period of time i ran 14 players in a game

i split them into smaller groups so it was like running 3ish parties

[glad arch]

one round of combat has gotta take like half an hour 💀

[spring light]

it was text based, so a round of combat took years. (i kid but it was long)

[glad arch]

that seems worse timewise tbh

yeh smart move splitting that up, that many players isnt fun for anyone

[spring light]

i don't run anything more than 8 players these days (and 8 players is an extreme outlier)

[glad arch]

my current dm (and friend) has set his limit at 6

and even then i still prefer less people

[spring light]

my usual table is 6 players

[glad arch]

had a session where 2 people canceled and 4 just felt so much better

[hoary totem]

Just had a science lesson about relativity and space-time- I just had an excellent idea for my chronurgy wizard.

[cobalt owl]

My combats are balanced for 5 or 6

[spring light]

my combats are flexible to balance for however many show up for my table

[glad arch]

just take a goblin or 2 away when someone cancels

[spring light]

more or less

[hoary totem]

it really depends. if you have a party of all casters you wouldn't drop something that's immune to magic

[cobalt owl]

I would at some point

[spring light]

it depends. i'd probably do that to showcase some environmental solutions

[fossil hollow]

i would 100% drop a rakshasa at some point

[cobalt owl]

It'd also be an interesting challenge

[glad arch]

throwing something immune to magic at an all caster party is evil, love it

[spring light]

on my group of level 1 casters? no probably not.

on my group of oh... let's say 8+? yeah, probably might

[glad arch]

the wizard trying to figure out how to hold a dagger for the first time in his life

[cobalt owl]

Simple weapon, he has prof

[glad arch]

drops it on his own foot then dies

[hoary totem]

How would anyone damage it though

[cobalt owl]

You smack it

[glad arch]

im assuming your character has a weapon back up

[spring light]

open a pit below it? cast fireball on a ledge above that looses some boulders?

[glad arch]

or that

[hoary totem]

If it's something that the party is meant to run from to advance the plot, or maybe a way to introduce a martial ally NPC, it's okay. If it's just torturing your party that's a red flag

[glad arch]

torturing =/= challenging

[spring light]

grease to make it slip into that pit, and then rocks fall on it?

illusions to make it think something else is there.

all kinds of things that don't directly target it with magic

[glad arch]

casters are very powerful already, adding something where they have to think beyond their spells is not evil imo

[cobalt owl]

Its a fun challenge

[fossil hollow]

creating an encounter thats just running way and Darth Vader chase sequences, or trying to run away from or avoid a powerful enemy is not a red flag

[spring light]

again, i'd be setting up an encounter that's more like a "puzzle" with environmental solutions

[hoary totem]

Have someone rig a trap using magic (the trap doesn't use magic to trap or damage) and use illusions to lead the enemy into it

[fossil hollow]

this would just be similar to a tyrant chase from resident evil, like Mr X or Nemesis

[cobalt owl]

Good analogy

[fossil hollow]

"STARS!!"

[spring light]

but if you're dropping your party in a white box with a magic immune enemy against a party of casters?
yeah that's not designed to be fun or engaging

[hoary totem]

Yeah, stuff that's meant to be a solvable puzzle is okay, stuff that's pre-planned to have plot reasons for survivability is ok. What I meant is that if you just throw an impossible encounter, like a magic immune enemy at a team of casters, with no planning just to see how it plays out, that's not good

[river vector]

I doubt my party will keep shitting on my villain now that he possessed someone and attacked them with mind control units. I definitely made him seem more of a threat, which is good.

[glad arch]

tbf most 'white box' fights arent very engaging

[fossil hollow]

i dont ever think that was what people were saying at all

[spring light]

but it's good short hand to describe that kind of encounter

[hoary totem]

Jokes aside, let's Vortex Warp the stone floor onto the monster.

[spring light]

party was underestimating your baddie?

[fossil hollow]

warp requires willing

[limber trail]

Whitebox encounters aren't something I'd ever consider running. The very idea of a whitebox encounter is that it is devoid of context, scenery, goals, or stakes.

[limber trail]

There's a con save for unwilling creatures

[fossil hollow]

oh ye

[limber trail]

You do need to warp a creature not an object

[river vector]

Kept calling him a coward and words I guess I can't say on this server. Because he "hid behind" possessions and refused to face the party with his real body.

[spring light]

sounds like you've got a lot of player buy in!

[glad arch]

except maybe the words you cant say here that sounds like a party trying to coax out your bbeg

[woven flint]

I awaken
Hello, friends

[river vector]

they do seem invested. Even more after I had him show up and knock multiple party members with his minions.

[glad arch]

morning

[river vector]

They still won of course

[hoary totem]

create water into shape water. no, the 5x5x5 ice cube I'm about to drop on the boss is technically not magical.

[spring light]

gonna say... no

[river vector]

lol its mostly out of character, but they could be trying to get him to be angry enough he does something stupid.

[glad arch]

create water needs a container you make the water in or let it fall as rain

[spring light]

in or out of character, the fact your players are acting like what he's doing is "real" shows their level of buy in

[glad arch]

but i do think it would be funny

[spring light]

i'd probably allow a pair of casters who worked it out with 1 having a readied action to immediately trigger when the cube is created.

[limber trail]

Unfortunately you can't cast two spells at the same time. Create water would resolve, the water would fall, and then you can turn the puddle into ice.

[limber trail]

Unless yeah, this is done in some sense

[spring light]

if my party is working out tactics between them? i want to encourage that and reward it as much as possible

[river vector]

That's true. I guess he's angered them by constantly possessing civilians to talk his garbage lol.

[limber trail]

For sure. Although to me, where it can start to fall flat is once you start using that combination in every fight, and it gets boring/stale.

[river vector]

I can monologue without risk of having the villain die forever, which is great.

[woven flint]

I've decided that if Artanza dies, I'm replacing him with a Noble from the family Imos keeps robbing /joking

[limber trail]

the menaces are gonna one by one getting replaced with nobles

[river vector]

I want to motivate them to track down this guy, find his real body

[spring light]

yes. but you can certainly stage fights so it's not a viable solution. but every now and again throw them a bone

[river vector]

That's why I keep having him show up and insult and attack them haha

[woven flint]

I think I like our suave sewer dwellers, tbh

[spring light]

there can be a point where the players just need satisfaction, but it sounds like they're getting towards it

[fossil hollow]

oh right, i need to add in the cassalanters

[limber trail]

I have no idea who I'd play as a backup

[woven flint]

I'm actually replacing one of my characters with a Noble fella soon!
It's a character that doesn't have much reason to adventure anymore, so, I figured, I'd have him replaced with someone who might initially be at odds with that group

[limber trail]

i guess I just plan on not dying

[woven flint]

I dunno, Dungeon of the Mad Mage is gonna be... something

[fossil hollow]

hehehehe

[limber trail]

ti moth stop laughing please

[fossil hollow]

hahahahahaha

[spring light]

heehee

[limber trail]

tokii help theyre intimidating me

[fossil hollow]

HAHAHAHA- coughing fits

[woven flint]

Ti, get jiggy with it

[river vector]

yeah I think this was the worst (best?) encounter they had with him yet. It was the first proper fight, and they barely managed to beat him. A wild magic surge letting them cast fourth level magic missile came in clutch.

I was fully prepared to just have them get captured again

[narrow plover]

Hello chat. New player here

[spring light]

welcome to the hobby

turns you into a pearteto

[woven flint]

Intimidate them back

[glad arch]

welcome

[glad arch]

[woven flint]

Welcome.. to your DOOM!!!

Thanks for joining the community 🔥

[fossil hollow]

Doom?!

[narrow plover]

My friend always yapping about her DnD world. I'm interested so I join this server immediately. Hope you're guys be nice to me

[river vector]

Me when I name the lieutenant of my BBEG "The Scoundrel" in another language

[woven flint]

DOOM!!!

[woven flint]

The wumpler

[narrow plover]

DOoM 😏

[river vector]

I love to yap about my DND world as well, I think everyone who has one made loves to yap about it lol. So they all join up here and yap together.

[stiff rock]

i subjected one of my friends to 2 hours of history about my homebrew world the other week lol. she was surpisingly interested

[normal mauve]

Run OG tomb of horrors instead

[spring light]

uhg

[normal mauve]

Me every time I sit to have a beer with my best friend

[woven flint]

I'm not running the game lol.

[normal mauve]

Ask your DM to run OG tomb of horrors no changes

[woven flint]

Doesn't interest me

[stiff rock]

"the skull that just kills you"

[normal mauve]

The door that makes you trans and disrobes you

[river vector]

Warlock made ANOTHER pact, this time with the overarching villain of the campaign. Two voices in that head.

[sleek cloud]

Feels like there’s be some contractual discrepancies

[tawdry sentinel]

Mad Mage isn't too bad for that. Items that could only be more obviously cursed if they had a big flashing sign saying "attuning to this is a bad idea" are the ones to look out for.

[normal mauve]

We’re making jokes about Tomb of horrors

[stiff rock]

I'm talking about the demilich at the end that has an ability to immediately kill you if it has line of sight

If we're on about the same thing

[normal mauve]

The wooden doors painted to look like adamantine

[glad arch]

power word kill? just be above 100hp, easy

[stiff rock]

It's a special ability that just rends your soul, literally nothing else in the game has it. I'll try find the description

[glad arch]

thats even more fun then

[tall forge]

Wild thing to just pull out

[hot gate]

Eh, at that point the party probably has resurrection stuff on hand.

[normal mauve]

10th level party

[glad arch]

casts disintigrate afterwards

[tawdry sentinel]

Without a soul are you not severely limited in what resurrection works?

[hot gate]

1st level party at the end of DotMM, ah interesting

[normal mauve]

Wish spell and divine intervention

[small heath]

Chat, what do I do when my DM tells me "you can certainly try" when I ask to try something unorthodox? Do I double down?

[glad arch]

yes, always

youre gonna miserably fail 95% of the time but its probably gonna be funny

[tall forge]

Up to the situation

[stiff rock]

Paraphrasing but it's a dc19 charisma saving throw or have your soul absorbed by the skull, your body and equipment cease to exist, and if you aren't resurrected within 24 hours your soul is completely consumed.

On a save, you take 7d6 necrotic damage

[tall forge]

The “you can certainly try” is a warning after all, youd be a fool not to at least be hesitant

But they say the best adventurers are fools….

[stiff rock]

"You can certainly try" is a hint to your players that whatever outcome will be really hilarious and you should totally do it

[glad arch]

you can certainly try is a trick by dm's trying to keep you away from the secret ending. dont fall for it

[small heath]

But what if I want to 100% the campaign? I gotta get all endings!

[stiff rock]

One of my DMs actually does run achievements in his game, meaning we can technically 100% d&d

[south prawn]

Every 1 point of DC equates to a percent chance so if you double down and the DM raises the DC even higher you’re just worsening your chances. It’s really up to you

[glad arch]

are all achievements know or are there secret ones?

[stiff rock]

There's a selection of both

[small heath]

I lowkey would make an achievement if I did DM of a player silvery barbs their own advantage roll, and still pass.

[glad arch]

youll never find all secret achievements on your first play trough, gotta play the campaigns a couple of time for the platinum badge