dnd-discussion

[formal seal]

uhhh maybe not tiamat—

[severe rampart]

The Skeksis were using the Dark Crystal as a source for immortality iirc?

[formal seal]

Try maybe a Beholder or a vampire

[lament loom]

It was a joke, I know Cthulhu isn't weak, it's a CR 30 boss (if I recall correctly)

[severe rampart]

I remember there was this one skeksis who kept saying "mmmmMMMMmmm"

[iron herald]

I will never forgive Netflix for cancelling it and then greenlighting some of the other stuff they did afterward.

[severe rampart]

honestly would be a very interesting low level DnD adventure (trying to save this by staying on topic somewhat)

[severe rampart]

Yes, it was a bit disappointing

[severe rampart]

The premise is already there

an ancient civilization is sacrificing life to a crystal in order to maintain immortality, or at least, stop aging, you are one of the last of your species and you must stop them from their evil deeds

[woven flint]

I'm gonna make a Kenku character and name him "Lil Freak" and just have him be the most chill and respectful individual ever

[severe rampart]

I now feel uncomfortable around Kenku because they remind me of Skeksis from the dark crystal

[woven flint]

"Salutations, ladies and gentlemen and friends in between, I'm Lil Freak, you may call me Freakathan 🧐"

[lament loom]

Also, they would start at level 3, and I know for a fact one of them is gonna play a barbarian/paladin multiclass, so I wanted to have a baseline on what I could give everyone, is there a loot table or similar for this??

[jovial shadow]

There are so many excellent adventure modules from the 80's. I don't see why people have to wreck their brains or ask other people for ideas. When the best ideas have already been put to paper

[dark pewter]

Not everyone wants to run a pre-written adventure. Some folks want to tell their own story

[graceful trout]

Agreed 👍

[safe thistle]

I was talking to my dm about multiclassing into warlock, i ask him if i can reflavor the pack of the talisman into pack of the mask instead for flavor text, he said no and he saying there a reason for it being a talisman...i dont seem to understand what he talking about.

[jovial shadow]

That's fine, but I didn't say they had to run the adventure, I said they could use the ideas. Big difference

[wild musk]

anyone got any idea if theres a way to remove my looking for players thread and make a new one as things have changed about what we need for the campaign?

[dark pewter]

You can provide updates in the attached thread. Deleting the posting won't refresh the one-week timer until you can make a new one

[wild musk]

ahhh got ya i didnt realise there was a timer my bad haha

[earnest haven]

I ran a whole 80s themed one shot for my HS friends that was mostly Goonies but referenced several movies. They were all Bards so there was a battle of the bands.

[jovial shadow]

Noice

[earnest haven]

But it would be fun to look up old modules. Are these archived somewhere ?

[jovial shadow]

I don't know if D&D has them archived, but the common response on here is to check out the local library

[earnest haven]

My library did have Tasha’s and Xanathar’s but not much else. But the larger one downtown might have a larger selection.

[lavish flame]

DMsGuild should have basically anything you want

Its a website, they've got basically every 2e and 3e product on there iirc

[earnest haven]

Yeah I use that all the time. But have never searched specifically for those. Mostly new material comes up. Will check it out for the older material.

[jovial shadow]

AD&D 1 and Basic D&D adventures were the best. Basic D&D had a really good seletion of high tier (27-36th level) adventures, for those struggling for high level ideas.

[severe rampart]

I have a friend who still plays 2e, he says one of his favorites were "Paladins in hell"

oh sorry, "A paladin in hell"

[rough basalt]

DMsguild is pretty nice but the AI stuff is getting a bit much.

[jovial shadow]

I don't have that one. I'll have to look it up

[severe rampart]

I wonder if there still are people out there playing 1e

[crimson gulch]

Raises hand

[severe rampart]

Really? with your already 7 games a week schedule?

[crimson gulch]

Yeah, I am gearing up to squeeze some in after having just got the core books over the last few months

[severe rampart]

interesting, now I know someone who plays 1e, 2e, 3.5e, but not 4e

[rough basalt]

If I played another dnd edition it'd probably be 4e

[severe rampart]

Yes, I remember the velcro dogs

[rough basalt]

1e and 2e are completely off the table for me.

Purely cause of THAC0.
When it comes to dnd, me like high number.

[jovial shadow]

THAC0 was in 2e, not 1e or Basic (until Rules Cyclopedia)

[rough basalt]

Oh I thought THAC0 was the base until WotC said "higher number cooler" in 3.x and beyond.

[jovial shadow]

Nope. 1e and Basic used the attack tables

[rough basalt]

So you'd attack the table directly? Wouldn't that make the dm or their parents mad?

[lavish flame]

yeah, 1e was an expensive game. you blew through funiture in 1 fight

[serene jolt]

I'm not seeing anything in the invocations that would really stop you from reflavoring it into a mask. It's worn, it doesn't have anything that really makes a difference if it's a mask or a talisman.

Maybe you can work with the DM and see if you can have the talisman embedded into a mask. Since it can be as simple as a stone.

If they don't accept the compromise, maybe just drop the idea. Some DMs are very vanilla with flavor.

[safe thistle]

I guess, he seem to assume that talisman is something i got to have/use on my hand

[serene jolt]

"A talisman is an object, such as an inscribed stone, ring, or written charm, believed to hold magical, protective, or good-luck powers."

Definition of a general Talisman.

It literally says it's worn in the Invocations.

[rough basalt]

Took once glance at the attack tables and god

I'd prefer THAC0

[lavish flame]

As I play more and more NetHack, I kinda love the THAC0 system

[serene jolt]

"Your patron gives you an amulet, a talisman that can aid the wearer when the need is great."

And it mentions 'wearing' and 'wearer' in every Talisman upgrade for the invocations.

[safe thistle]

Cause thw way he explain it, i have to put my hand out like im from power ranger, whuch kinda did made me giggle a bit, thinking of my ninja having to do all those old fashion poses to get the effects lol

[lavish flame]

Oh I always assumed it was in a hand lmao

[serene jolt]

That's not RAW. You don't need to hold it at all.

Unlike things that say "when you are holding this" etc etc, Talisman specifies wearing it multiple times.

And if they force you to hold it for a pact/invocation that is as underwhelming as it is mechanically, that's unfortunate.

[craggy summit]

I'm not sure if 1e and AD&D is the same, but our LGS does an AD&D session once a month

[safe thistle]

Yeah, ill be sure to get clarity from my dm

[safe thistle]

Tbh, for odd reasons i think talisman is pretty cool when combining other effects

[lavish flame]

1e and AD&D can be the same. 1e had Basic and Advanced, and then 2e was just a continuation of the Advanced line

[serene jolt]

Yeah but as a multiclass, it's going to be a long time until you get the cool talisman stuff

[safe thistle]

I dont disagree with you. I just after i read it and all and skim some of the things i could do, i can say its a hidden gem if used correctly

[serene jolt]

It's just like one of the least broken invocations out there, your DM chose a weird hill to die on xD

[jovial shadow]

lol. It's easier for people like me who started with the system. In more ways it's superiror to anything after it, since the table tends to repeat the number needed to hit (eg 20, 20, 20). As well as those needing more than a 20 to hit, (eg. 21, 22, 23 to 25).

[safe thistle]

He choose alot of things to die on, such as preventing players from multiclassing until lv 5 because of multi attack reasons, which not my worry as a monk

With as low of a stats i have, lv 5 isnt as enticing to me as he thinks

[lavish flame]

very weird

[dark pewter]

Limited levels based on Extra Attack is odd, considering Extra Attack doesn't stack if you get it twice

[lavish flame]

im at a point in my DMing where I'm confident that the system will handle whatever, so I just do stuff by how the game wants mostly. I make my tweaks where I want, but some stuff is bizarre. i can't understand messing with multiclassing like that

[knotty vine]

Look up it says gullible on the ceiling

[safe thistle]

At lv 5 monk gets stunnung strike, extra attack, and my hits are d6 now. Problem 1, stunning strike is a dc 12 con save, extra attack means nothing to me when i have focused ki, and turning d4 to d6 is not that good.

[lavish flame]

i kinda think thats one of ur more potent levels tbh

extra attack and an increased weapon die doesn't sound all that great but highkey thats pretty major

[dark pewter]

Level 5 tends to be pretty pivotal for Monk, yeah. But ultimately, if you think you won't have as much fun with that level, then prioritize fun for sure

[safe thistle]

Im saying that value wise, i can gain more versatility somewhere else rather then put another lv into monk. Having an extra attack when i already have 4 attacks is meh, same goes with D4 to D6, not all that different in the grand scheme of how im building him

[feral quartz]

Yah

[safe thistle]

D6 dont matter with my luck btw

[feral quartz]

Who still plays the board game.tho

[safe thistle]

9, 16, 9, 11, 13, 13. That my rolled stats xD

My ac is 14, and my hp is 20ish rn

[fossil hollow]

that sucks for such a stat hungry class like monk

[safe thistle]

That why i am gonna multiclass

[fossil hollow]

what are you gonna multiclass to?

[knotty pasture]

Eh I would just get an ASI to patch up the two odd numbers and keep monoclassing lol

[safe thistle]

Warlock

[fossil hollow]

... thats just MAD

[knotty pasture]

You don't have the stats to multi out

[safe thistle]

Indeed, shadow monk warlock with the great old one

[knotty pasture]

And if you're gonna do +2 cha you may as well do +1 con +1 wis and keep going as Monk

[safe thistle]

Cha 13

[knotty pasture]

No way you're walking around with 11 con

[fossil hollow]

not what i meant, i meant Multiple Ability (Score) Dependant

[knotty pasture]

That just sounds rough in general

[fossil hollow]

going to warlock with just... minimum CHA is like... why even bother

[safe thistle]

9 in con, intelligence 11

[fossil hollow]

... owch

[knotty pasture]

Lmao how are you living as a frontliner with 9 con

[dark pewter]

Gotta agree here. If your issue is underwhelming stats, speccing into Warlock is only going to exacerbate that issue

[fossil hollow]

yeah, warlock will not fix any issues brought by your stats

[safe thistle]

False life, mage armor, darkness, and magical eyes

[knotty pasture]

Now you have no spell slots for everything else

[fossil hollow]

Magic Initiate, Magic Initiate, Shadow Monk, and Eldritch Adept.

[knotty pasture]

Cuz you just wasted both of your only spell slots on staying alive

[safe thistle]

Lv2 will fix that

[knotty pasture]

Doesn't Warlock only get its third slot until way later

[fossil hollow]

Level 5

[safe thistle]

I dont need it

[knotty pasture]

I'm confused by your game plan here

[safe thistle]

I just need the 2 spell slots, and 2 evocations

[knotty pasture]

So you want to multi to Warlock to stay alive

[fossil hollow]

why do you even need to grab Darkness from warlock

[knotty pasture]

But you could have done the same by going 13 con and an ASI at level 4

Without having 13 cha hanging around as a dead stat cuz you aren't doing anything with 13 con anyways

[safe thistle]

To not waste it ki to cast it on shadow monk

[fossil hollow]

You get Focus back on a Short Rest already :V

[knotty pasture]

Wait so why go Shadow Monk if you don't wanna "waste" Ki on its features lol

[fossil hollow]

Plus Uncanny Metabolism once per day :V

[safe thistle]

2 ki per cast, that not good.

[fossil hollow]

Going more levels into monk also. Gets you more Focus to use for darkness

[knotty pasture]

Unused Ki is wasted Ki

And if using Darkness gives you more than using Flurry of Blows or whatever else you use it

[safe thistle]

I also need the evocation regardless, 2 to be precise

[fossil hollow]

Eldritch Adept

gets you two Invocations

[valid geyser]

thought it was just one

[safe thistle]

No it doesnt, it gives 1

[knotty pasture]

Which two evocations do you need anyways

[fossil hollow]

Crap, it does only give 1

[knotty pasture]

Devil's Sight and what else again

[fossil hollow]

please dont tell me max false life or mage armor

[safe thistle]

Mage armor

[knotty pasture]

Lol, lmao even

Just get your wis up to 14 you'll live

And your con to 14 too

[fossil hollow]

Magic Initiate is also a thing

[knotty pasture]

With 16 dex 14 wis you get 15 AC, that's just slightly below Mage Armor's 16 AC

[safe thistle]

Increasing my con by 5 mmmmm

[knotty pasture]

Plus you actually get to use wis

[safe thistle]

M6 con is a 9

[knotty pasture]

Can you ask your dm for a respec having 9 con while trying to frontline is pointless

Like shift the stats around to 16 dex 13 con 13 wis, go from there

That's just one ASI away from fixing all your issues

[safe thistle]

You dont know my secret technique, i always use it in combat

[knotty pasture]

This sounds like a terrible Jojo's reference

[fossil hollow]

thats not an answer

[safe thistle]

Its a jojo secret technique, RUN AWAY

[fossil hollow]

so, dead weight

[knotty pasture]

Grease off man

[safe thistle]

Not true

[turbid vessel]

Damn y'all are so mean 😭

[safe thistle]

Ikr

[fossil hollow]

i just dont see a point in multiclassing into warlock when the stats are already that shitty

[knotty pasture]

No it just sounds like a convoluted way to fix below average stats and a ??? stat distribution

When the fastest way is to ask for a respec and get an ASI to fix at level 4

[safe thistle]

I like a challange, cant yall respect meh xD

[knotty pasture]

Don't grief your table plz

[dry widget]

Hey what’s going on

[safe thistle]

Im not

[knotty pasture]

9 con, running away and multiclassing into Warlock...

[knotty vine]

WHO DUMPING CON?!

[safe thistle]

That what a mobile shadow monk does bro

[dry widget]

Yea

[knotty pasture]

Arselyn

[safe thistle]

Go in, mug then, run away

[safe thistle]

Hi

[turbid vessel]

Who up dumping they con rn

[knotty vine]

Kill that guy

[knotty pasture]

The person we were being "mean" (read, not even being mean) to

[safe thistle]

Oh? Time to RUN AWAY xD

[knotty pasture]

We just think its a bad idea

[fossil hollow]

i read that as dumping corn for some reason. Im clearly regretting not eating breakfast

[feral fulcrum]

Captain Runaway as Plan A isn't going to last long in a Group.

[knotty pasture]

Kensei Monk would unironically be more legit here than Shadow Monk

[safe thistle]

XD corn

[knotty vine]

Wizards trap him in a magical box and force him him roll only con saves

[knotty pasture]

At least that subclass supports ranged combat way more so you can barely get away with 9 con

[turbid vessel]

I would never dump corn, we're married for lyf

[fossil hollow]

Khorne?

[safe thistle]

Hey, roll your stregnth save then when someone grabs you xD

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[knotty vine]

I can just teleport

[turbid vessel]

Game ads can be done through #find-a-game

[safe thistle]

I can get away with anything

[knotty vine]

There aren’t a lot of things in dnd that can stop teleporting

[knotty pasture]

We've been bamboozled and fooled haven't we

This is all an elaborate ragebait

[safe thistle]

How so?

[knotty vine]

Your hp over all is just wanna be lower as well

[fossil hollow]

God that Owlbear is so adorable and stupid looking. I love it.

Nothing in its bird brain

[turbid vessel]

Some of y'all clearly have never experienced the hedonistic beauty of junkyard DnD

[knotty vine]

I don’t think I want too

[safe thistle]

If my hp can be a defualt of 4 regardless of level, ill see what fun ill insue

[knotty pasture]

I tried playing Ancestral Barb wrongly once by rushing into a large group

[fossil hollow]

rushing groups tend not to work for anyone, tbf

[knotty pasture]

By turn 2 I was left with 20% hp, that's the most junkyard-y I got

[safe thistle]

I think any class rushing into a large group is a bad idea

[fossil hollow]

Not unless youre a SG spamming cleric

[knotty pasture]

Throwing javelins is a fun time for the rest of that fight

I could probably get away with it if it was Totem Warrior but such is life

[safe thistle]

You be suprise with having a mage armor, high dex, dodge, false life can get pretty far in games

[knotty pasture]

Yeah the prerequisite is having 14 dex and 14 con

[fossil hollow]

those did not save the sorceror when he was up against an assassin in my waterdeep game

[knotty pasture]

Not 16 dex 9 con

[safe thistle]

I meet one of those requirements xD

[turbid vessel]

Me looking for where it says that in the bible

[safe thistle]

Lol

[knotty pasture]

9 dex 16 con is more survivable than 16 dex 9 con sadly

[fossil hollow]

just hope ya dont find fireball spamming skeletons

[safe thistle]

Eh, i lived 4 lv so far, went down 1 time, ill be fine

[knotty pasture]

A Tymora worshipper I see, praise be

[covert root]

Luck be a lady — tonight.

[safe thistle]

Also 1 benefit behind low con, those healing potions are extremely cost effective on me

[knotty pasture]

Its the other way around

[fossil hollow]

only hit point that matters is the last one

[knotty pasture]

You are close to death's door so often that you need to drink more than ever

[safe thistle]

Exactly

[safe thistle]

Im not saying its an addiction buuuuuttttt

[fossil hollow]

with your 9 CON, you now have an allergy to healing potions

[turbid vessel]

If they didn't want healing potions to be addictive they shouldn't have made them cherry flavored

[fossil hollow]

hay fever upon you with every sip

[covert root]

You suffer from a condition called trash body.

[knotty pasture]

Wait hold up I just had a great idea

[safe thistle]

RIGHT?!

[knotty pasture]

Multiclass into Warlock, go Genie Warlock and godexit, the end

[safe thistle]

Nah, great old one sounds fun

[knotty pasture]

You can have 8 in all stats at level 1 and still work out

[fossil hollow]

snail technique

Katatsumuri-No-Jutsu

[turbid vessel]

Of course 8 in all stats works, I wake up every day just fine

[knotty pasture]

You don't get the magic of godexiting, you can grab GOO spells

And fix your stats easily too

[safe thistle]

Or maybe undying

[fossil hollow]

pffft

[knotty pasture]

Yes grab Undying spells too

[undone rain]

Luv me radiant spells

[safe thistle]

Fun fact i was gonna do sorceror over warlock

[undone rain]

What do yall think of divine favor

[safe thistle]

Its a love tap

[empty thicket]

what it does? so i gave myself an idea

[covert root]

It’s the bee’s knees.

[knotty vine]

The dragon has 3 heads

[jolly agate]

It's cool

[knotty vine]

One to a murderer who will unleash death

[undone rain]

Its an alr spell atleast

[knotty vine]

One to be a monarch who’s crown will weigh heavy

[covert root]

It’s basically free extra damage.

[knotty vine]

And one to be mad who’s ideas will change history

[undone rain]

Was pretty nice to use combined with branding smite and my aasimars racial trait

What was it called now again.

[covert root]

Yeah, it all adds up.

[undone rain]

Radiant soul thats the one

[covert root]

Celestial Revelation?

[jolly agate]

It can almost be applied to the Dead Three

[undone rain]

Radiant soul i believe its called

[jolly agate]

Bhaal, Bane and Myrkul. I think in that order.

[knotty vine]

Yeah that’s why I love that reference

[empty thicket]

Okey, its 1d4 extra radiant damage. Its good for dont being concentration and adds up well with more stuff

[covert root]

No, it’s called Celestial Revelation; Radiant Soul is just one of the three options.

[undone rain]

Well that is a good trait

[covert root]

It’s positively divine.

[undone rain]

Did alot of radiant damage with it

[covert root]

I feel the light of Lathander in this Arby’s tonight.

[undone rain]

I wonder how much damage my guy would do if every roll was a 20 with it. Give me a sec

[covert root]

The short of it is: a lot.

[knotty vine]

I wish we had more celestial inspired races

[undone rain]

Ohhh boy

47 damage if every roll was critical

And thats using a sword i have a constant advantage on

Now that makes me wonder, if i put every single spell slot into one smite

Ohhhh boy, 114

[empty thicket]

2d8 + 4d8 (possible 1d8 extra if undead or fiend) + weapon damage + Divine favor =

Oh... you did it, welp, yeah, its... a lot of damage

[undone rain]

My guys level 7 too

Buuut its best i save my spell slots for a real big threat lol

[jolly agate]

The Dead Three are way too overrated ngl

they ain't even are that strong

[cobalt owl]

They get mogged by a one gale dekarios

[worn lagoon]

They are washed

[undone rain]

Aaasimar really are great for paladins and clerics for radiant damage

[empty thicket]

im using one for a Warlock im doing

[worn lagoon]

eh it's not that crazy a difference

little bit more damage for one minute once per long rest is probably not gonna be a game changer on its own

[empty thicket]

so my teammates think im a cleric for the many things of cleric i will do

but in reality, im a WARLOCK!! (He himself doesnt know its one too)

[jolly agate]

i never use way too cool races like Aasimar. I don't like my characters to be too op/cool

[worn lagoon]

I only play dragonborn 🥱

[empty thicket]

i mostly play human because jaja, human is good.
Someday might play a Barbarian Dragonborn or an Elf rogue

Because funny scaly humanoid with anger issues that shout out fire

[naive cedar]

I love aasimar lol

[jolly agate]

idk i love cow

[thorn quarry]

My character is probably gonna go insane today

[knotty vine]

I’m already insane

[thorn quarry]

lol

[worn lagoon]

man, the next time I apply to a campaign and it turns out the DM ai-generated it, I will start throwing rocks

[thorn quarry]

That’s so valid

[undone rain]

Yeah i would too

[worn lagoon]

looking for campaigns to join as a player feels awful nowadays

thanks generative ai for nothing

[river vector]

why even do that

I took months to make my first campaign lore, no way I would ever use AI

[stiff rock]

I feel like it needs to be made a rule in the lfg for this server that you need to declare whether or not you use AI to assist your DMing

[jolly agate]

Ye i don't like clankers makin ma sessions all boring and plastic

[worn lagoon]

YES!

[severe rampart]

Exactly!

[stiff rock]

The homebrew and worldbuilding channels also have a lot of blatant AI usage despite the rules

[slow crescent]

Yeah, I am struggling right now to create lore for my world lore and I would not turn to AI for help. I just try and find help from people

[undone rain]

Ai has no place in dnd, it has no soul, no original ideas, its lazy

[severe rampart]

Well said!

[worn lagoon]

hi echo

[severe rampart]

at best it's a notetaker, and not a very good one

[river vector]

That's how it should be. A community of people helping each other.

[slow crescent]

Yea

[severe rampart]

I hope next week you don't get into an accident, your wisdom tooth already is costing us a week /j

[serene jolt]

That sounds like a threat 💀

[severe rampart]

it is

we had to cancel the session today because his wisdom teeth was rendering him unable to speak (Get better soon Evren)

[undone rain]

With all the people using ai and stuff nowadays its good to see there still are a majority of people who dont use it.

[river vector]

Ai garbage has no place in anything that requires creativity

[worn lagoon]

You don't have to tell the entire server about my problems with having too many teeth in my mouth

[slow crescent]

Yeah, my dnd group hates AI. It will never get used

[severe rampart]

What AI does is it consumes content and regurgitates a bland, unoriginal copy of it, not only stealing from the original authors, but also wasting resources and upping RAM prices

[undone rain]

Its all garbage, all of it

[severe rampart]

Might be time for you to invest in Dentures

[river vector]

one of my dnd players was considering using AI for the character, but decided to draw him instead. It looked "Worse" but it had SOUL.

[undone rain]

A stick figure has more soul then the best produced ai picture

[severe rampart]

Commissioning artists/Doing your own art>>>>Using AI

[river vector]

Ironic, because all the characters for this dnd campaign are Soulless (had them stolen by a vampire)

[slow crescent]

Oop

[worn lagoon]

we had a player who was an artist but ended up submitting an ai generated character bio he couldn't even understand himself

[river vector]

Why....

[worn lagoon]

his excuse being, "yes yes! because my english very bad!"

[slow crescent]

Bruh

[severe rampart]

All of us were non-native speakers, except Belial

I don't think even think I can remember his voice, it's been two months

[worn lagoon]

we tolerated his bad english just fine, a poorly written bio would've been much more preferable than a chatgpt-written character

[severe rampart]

I felt a jab at me

[undone rain]

I believe a 5 year old could do better at making a characters story

[worn lagoon]

n-no

[jolly agate]

Yall make bio for their chars?

[worn lagoon]

I just asked my players to give me, the dm, something to work with

[severe rampart]

Yes, they can, remember our imagination back then? when the good guy was winning they'd get like a major power boost

[jolly agate]

I just wrote in mine
"It's a cow, It's magic"

[undone rain]

Yes exactly

[jolly agate]

Now I understand why my DM gave me a dirty look

[severe rampart]

Alright Evren be prepared for my light novel about Kalos' upbringing

[severe rampart]

Oh hey! that's the cow I helped him with

[river vector]

I have a player that's similar to that

his character just sprang into existence one day. he doesn't like undead nation because of limits on creativity (artificer)

[severe rampart]

Warlock Cow lol, dip one level into druid so you can turn into a human once per day

[jolly agate]

I had previously explained the origin of my character to my DM. Like, My boy is the son of a cow-headed minotaur and a centaur. He's just a whole cow, and he has a sister who's a completely normal human.

But maybe i need to write it down now, I didn't think about it before

[marble lion]

ok so i have a question latrell

[jolly agate]

😔

[marble lion]

i get the joke youre going for
i got all the cow, she got all the man

[jolly agate]

Ask mate

[river vector]

he's a cow. This is funny to me.

[marble lion]

but if the centaur had a cowhead
and the minotaur had a bull head
why would the sister not still have a cow head?

[river vector]

creative for sure

[marble lion]

where did the human head come from here?
i think you messed up there

[severe rampart]

the centaur had cow legs

[marble lion]

and a cow head

[severe rampart]

Centaur - Human top with cow legs
Minotaur - Cow top with human legs

[jolly agate]

ye

So that's where the whole human came from

[knotty pasture]

If a Centaur and a Minotaur have twins, could they have a cow and a human

[jolly agate]

Plus, a warlock

[severe rampart]

Please lord make his patron Baphomet, please make it

[loud tendon]

Centaur are horse-lower half canonically.. but concept is concept i suppose

[jolly agate]

But ma boy only speeks cow so to talk, someone has to cast speek to animals

[marble lion]

this is why i was confused

[knotty pasture]

Damn it we were so close to having a full cow and a full human from two fantastical races

[marble lion]

you said it was a cowheaded centaur

[severe rampart]

at the very least the human sister has a tail

[marble lion]

which would leave no human head at all

[loud tendon]

This is the part that as a DM, I would not allow and as another player at the table, would really dislike.

[jolly agate]

Cow genetics are strong

[severe rampart]

Make the cow speak common

[dark pewter]

The minimum level of communication I allow as a PC at my table is CSL

[marble lion]

id probably make you do a short quest to get an item that lets you speak

[river vector]

it's always those damn warlocks...

[severe rampart]

plot twist they just had a sore throat

[marble lion]

why not let you get a nose ring or something that lets you speak

[dark pewter]

Having run for a PC who couldn't/didn't speak Common, gotta say, the bit gets old fast

[jolly agate]

Oh nah like, i don't say "Mooo" the whole arse session mate

[severe rampart]

Why not a cow bell

[loud tendon]

As we have other animal featured species that can speak, this doesn't seem like a silly ask.

[marble lion]

thats good

[jolly agate]

But In character, nobody can hear what I say. Cuz it would sound like "Moooo"

and if i see goblins in bushes or smth, i can't tell ma party

[severe rampart]

Yes precisely

[jolly agate]

I've already had 3 sessions and I love it.

[marble lion]

your dnd stuff combined with the british mannerisms is very funny

i never knew i needed a guy who plays a cow in DnD calling me mate

[river vector]

what's happened so far?

[jolly agate]

A LOT

[loud tendon]

If we are going to dive into what happened on the prairie with double cow all the way across the sky, please move to #tales-from-the-table

[severe rampart]

Mind you, you created this character a week ago, and have played 3 sessions

[jolly agate]

My party joined a jousting tournament because we needed money, but we didn't have enough to rent a horse..

it was me, With an Autognome strapped to ma back

[severe rampart]

I have no idea how your DM is preparing all that

[jolly agate]

He fast

[marble lion]

one day ill do a multi session week

[jolly agate]

Like really

[jolly agate]

(We won)

[marble lion]

id love doing that
ive played in one kinda but it was just me and 1 other player with a dm and it was super casual, laid back and late

id like to properly do it sometime

[jolly agate]

Also we were raiding an goblin camp and they closed the gates

[loud tendon]

Please take sharing of things that happen during your game to #tales-from-the-table

[river vector]

I'm going to play kahoot one winged angel when it is time for the party to solve riddles

[jolly agate]

Shit, mb

She asked so i started goin all ☝️🤓

[severe rampart]

I fear I do not get it

Also I knew it! I knew I wasn't going crazy! your pfp is Kenjaku!

[river vector]

the menace

[normal canyon]

hello

[river vector]

before it was the devil from SMT

[jolly agate]

One of his Patrons is The Fiend so it would make hella sense

[jolly agate]

Wsp mate

[river vector]

Kahoot is a game where you have to answer questions. It has music. One winged angel is sephiroths theme from final fantasy 7. A menacing track. Someone made a kahoot version of it.

[severe rampart]

Ahh, I get it, I knew what Kahoot was but I didn't know what a one winged angel had to do with it

Oh my lord, I'm listening to it right now and it is amazing

[graceful terrace]

i am here :D

[river vector]

It is great, isn't it?

[worn lagoon]

I was thinking about a mute warlock whose pseudodragon familiar has to speak in their place

But that's the most I'd be willing to allow on my table/play

[jolly agate]

to what?

[worn lagoon]

to a character who cannot communicate

i'm tired let me fail to communicate

[severe rampart]

maybe you should get that for your wisdom teeth

[worn lagoon]

can we stop talking about my teeth for five minutes

[river vector]

I will start a counter

[torpid hound]

The mental image of a Druid in animal form wearing armor is hilarious

[river vector]

It has been five minutes

[small heath]

what's the command to view class overview stuff again?

[empty thicket]

i think in something like the golden compass movie with the bear with armor.

[solar nebula]

could a cleric with everything possible put into strength work, if they put all their faith into their muscles

[empty thicket]

"MY body is my temple and my TEMPLE IS FORTIFIED WITH PURE ADAMANTIUM MUSCLES!!"

[fossil hollow]

well, they still need Wisdom for their main kit, spells, and CON so they dont die fast

[solar nebula]

fair

[fossil hollow]

You can just play a religious barbarian

[empty thicket]

Proceed to do dead lifts while praying

[knotty pasture]

Zealot Barb works nicely

[fossil hollow]

Forgot Zealot is our divine barb subclass

[solar nebula]

"why do you have 18 in strength as a cleric?"
"yeah it's a faith build"
"but with strength?"
"I PUT ALL MY FAITH INTO THESE MUSCLES"

[empty thicket]

"For rise back to life the deads, one must use their muscles!!"

[knotty pasture]

But a str Cleric could work too, heavy armor based Cleric builds do 15 str 14 con 16 wis as their main stats

[fossil hollow]

Ive done a war cleric who did well in Icespire

[slow crescent]

Nice

[knotty pasture]

If you wanna push for more str you can, just that it won't do too much beyond 15 str

[solar nebula]

question: is the half feat elven accuracy good for an elf fighter

[knotty pasture]

Its excellent

[slow crescent]

That makes me remember of a joke dnd character I made. A grandma human wizard who’s highest stat is strength so she could hit people with the 🩴

[solar nebula]

that sounds like a fun character

[slow crescent]

I never used her as I prefer to make serious characters

[gusty yarrow]

gonna be an interesting session next time, my centaur character got turned into a dwarf

how tf im gonna play that, i have no idea

[solar nebula]

fair, depends on the campaign I guess

[slow crescent]

Yeah

[torpid hound]

Does it function as an unarmed strike?

[solar nebula]

I may have copied Percy from vox machina a bit for my character but the party didn't watch or ever hear about vox machina so I'll abuse that

[jolly agate]

Ye, thx god the cleric on ma party found The Ring of Animal Influence

[slow crescent]

Probably like a mace or staff

[jolly agate]

Can't blame ya, he cool (kinda edgy) but he cool

[solar nebula]

"I fell out of the window."

[jolly agate]

The only real one in vox machina is Grog ngl

i love dat char

[slow crescent]

Currently I am playing a reborn character from the an old campaign set in the same world.

It is very fun as her hair is just controlled by the abyss (original campaign world, extra fun)

[river vector]

I'm going to make a whole little town that is acting weird, only for the party to discover the secret: They have all been taken over by a hive mind. (yes, yes, mass effect thorian)

[jolly agate]

I love that kind of plots

[worn lagoon]

No more!

[river vector]

just going to have NPCS answer questions asked to other NPCS, stuff like that.

subtle at first

[feral fulcrum]

Amusingly, next session I'm a Fairy that's going to turn into an Alicorn Centaur.

[gusty yarrow]

also just realized, my dudes gonna be naked cus how tf is a bit of armor fitted for a centaur gonna fit a dwarf thats like a 3rd of the size

[jolly agate]

Now that i think abt it

I need a weapon, i yearn for a weapon. I need to find a weapon

Wait, can i even use a weapon?

what weapon would be cool for a warlock cow?

[harsh hollow]

I'm just picturing you with a sword you can hold in your mouth like those Pokemon wolves.

[oak grotto]

If the armor is magical it works differently.

[weary raft]

I am trying to DM my first campaign, and I am looking for good music for a tavern fight

[barren viper]

Freebird

Obviously

[weary raft]

Hold on, I forgot to drop my main song for a good idea of what i was thinking of.
https://open.spotify.com/track/4Sd38SbhBiZMCPcdOOnMVH?si=nA273T_MTyOOI8jmKSVwIQ

[gusty yarrow]

sword in mouth like Sif from Dark Souls, spell focus is hung around your neck like a cowbell

[jolly agate]

Ma boy spellcasting focus IS a cowbell

[civic sky]

Question:
Tasha's allowed you to customize your race's stats in 2014. Does it still work in 2024 with background stats? Can I customize the background stat of a 2024 background?

[jolly agate]

I kinda like that ye

Maybe

[valid geyser]

with a 2014 background and DM permission that's possible

[jolly agate]

(Because my DM couldn't think of how a cow was going to hold a wand)

[gusty yarrow]

your DM has never seen barnyard smh

[river vector]

by the teeth

[inner silo]

Imo setting backgrounds to certain stats while somewhat makes sense was one of the most stupid things they've done

I honestly just ignore it

[civic sky]

I was looking for more official rules on it. From what I found JC says if its not covered by the new 2024 rules then it applies for 2014 rules. It was on a Pack Tactics video.

[fossil hollow]

Tasha doesnt apply to backgrounds cuz its not from your race/species

[olive scroll]

Does anyone know how a rogue can hide on an open field besides a smoke grenade?

[gusty yarrow]

ig if the grass is tall enough? kinda SoL in an open field tho

[civic sky]

Distractions from someone else. Like in Jurassic park

[inner silo]

Arcane trickster can cast invisibility. Also a halfling can hide behind medium creatures iirc

[gusty yarrow]

that too actually

[olive scroll]

Alright

[fossil hollow]

Anything that provides obscurement or Three-Quarter cover

[torpid hound]

What's the point of Druid's "Longevity" feature?

[fossil hollow]

ribbon

[inner silo]

What are some underrated races in 2024 for an artificer?

[gusty yarrow]

RP, any effects that would affect a characters physical age

[cursive ledge]

in the campaign I’m in the DM will often let us describe our spells if we kill an enemy with em, but how do you describe Toll the Dead?

[inner silo]

You can say that they feel the tremor of a bell of death which kills them

[gusty yarrow]

not everything about a class needs to have an inherent point to it, a lot of it is just flavor or stuff thatll pop up MAYBE once per campaign

[cursive ledge]

ig so, that seems rlly basic tho when put up against other spells

[inner silo]

How do you describe your other spells?

[gusty yarrow]

i mean you can describe how your character performs it, but its not like theres much you can describe when the spell describes itself

[cursive ledge]

like for sacred flame I can describe the fire coming into existence, how it works, how it reaches and affects the enemy, etc

[cursive ledge]

how would you perform a spell that makes 1 enemy hear a bell?

[fossil hollow]

"They find their mind transported in a huge cathedral, staring at a gigantic brass bell. It lets out a resounding 'DING', and they keel over, dead"

[inner silo]

Perhaps a "real" spectral bell appears and rings above them?

[fossil hollow]

no need for "real" if youre saying spectral

[cursive ledge]

you think the somantic component could just be ringing a bell?

[fossil hollow]

Jingling keys

[cursive ledge]

lol, that’d be funny too

[dire swallow]

Random question for everyone because why not:

You are in a brand new group no one has decided what they wanted so you get free reign;

Which role would you pick to play?
Support, control, DPS, infiltration or any of the roles a member could play?

[glass granite]

Monk.

[fossil hollow]

Cleric

[cursive fjord]

God I wish they would add my favorite class to DDB, I just like having it all in one area

[cursive ledge]

which level?

[fossil hollow]

Apothecary?

[inner silo]

Not a charisma caster

[gusty yarrow]

imma be honest ive rarely built my characters around the roles in a party

[cursive fjord]

Who would have guessed 😉

[dire swallow]

For me I genuinely love playing support.

[river vector]

Control, I have this evil enchantment wizard I long to play.

[cursive fjord]

I fell in love with the class but I love the orginization of DDB

[cursive fjord]

What do like to be, Tank Support or DPS

[river vector]

but alas, I must DM for the time being

[harsh hollow]

Honestly not doing so sometimes has some pretty fun results. Our party doesn't really have anyone good at Charisma so we don't have a "face" per se which has resulted in my character kind of being that but only by being the most reasonable by default.

[gusty yarrow]

DDB is nice when it does what i want it to and doesnt force me to faff about

[cursive fjord]

I also spent a lot of time creating my own Homebrew off the Apothicary class so it finally has a melee focus subclass.

[inner silo]

Btw, a faerie monk would be pretty broken, right?

[fossil hollow]

no

[cursive fjord]

What do you mean broken?

[fossil hollow]

flight is not going to break any game unless your DM is having a skill issue comprehending how to deal with 3d movement

[inner silo]

That it's a very strong combo for a monk

[inner silo]

Just that grappling enemies mixed with flight seems pretty strong

[cursive ledge]

flight can also make you open to more ranged attacks depending on the terrain

[fossil hollow]

I can do the same with:

• Aaracokra, dragonborn, aasimar, any other flying species
• Elements monk
• any monk with a flying item

Nothing about faerie pushes it to "OP"

its just. A good choice.

[inner silo]

Oki

[cursive fjord]

I've only seen one truly OP species but i dont think it ever made it past UA

[feral fulcrum]

Bear in mind there's easy access to flight via spells and magic Items, other Species also get it, and being Small you can only Grapple Medium creatures IIRC.

[fossil hollow]

Yeap

[feral fulcrum]

Shadar-Kai

[gusty yarrow]

tbf that tends to be most enemies in combat depending on campaign and setting

[cursive fjord]

The Revenant

[fossil hollow]

smaller size is worse for grappling actually, good catch

[inner silo]

They also get enlarge and faerie fire

[cursive fjord]

Shadar Kai are just fine

[fossil hollow]

stares at how common Dragons and Giants tend to be

Lots of common Large enemies too

[feral fulcrum]

Bonus action teleport that gives resistance to all damage + innate Necrotic Resistance + all the usual Elf features. They're kinda busted.

[cursive fjord]

The Revenant, would ALWAYS gain 1hp per round (even if unconcious), and could never die, even hit with Disentigration Spell, it would come back 24 hours later just fine...

[gusty yarrow]

well yea but those are usually faced one per encounter, but strictly numerically medium below tends to be the most common size range

[fossil hollow]

eh, Resistance only does so much if youre being constantly hit

[gusty yarrow]

(keyword usually)

[fossil hollow]

just delays the inevitable

[river vector]

Isn't revenant just an actual monster?

[undone rain]

Shadar kai are pretty cool

[cursive fjord]

I had a Shadar Kai Grave Cleric, based on WWE Undertaker...

[river vector]

pretty cool monster

[fossil hollow]

it can be both

[feral fulcrum]

And yet everyone still says that Totem Barb really needed that nerf.... :V

[fossil hollow]

yeah, so the other options can see light of the day and its not opressively good

[undone rain]

Might play one for another campaign but for now ill be a kenku cleric

[cursive fjord]

People who say that dont know how to get past HP sponges

[gusty yarrow]

one dragon is almost always a significant fight, but like, 4 humans is a regular encounter

[dire swallow]

Imo there's so many races that don't get enough mentions.

[river vector]

I have a revenant hunting down one of PCs for crimes he did in the past

should be fun

[cursive fjord]

You know i've never played a teifling or any elfs, and i've been playing for 13+ years now. Maybe I should change that.

[gusty yarrow]

well now you have to commit to being the one that never did that

[dire swallow]

You should play a revenant like the film "it follows"

[inner silo]

Aren't those the two most popular races?

[cursive fjord]

Yep, and ive never touched them.

Actually Human was #1 back in the day

[worn lagoon]

I used to think differently not that long ago but nowadays I would never choose my class based on the rest of the party's "needs"

[river vector]

I will have them hear rumors of something approaching, killing people in revenge for its death (he was part of a group that killed the revenant)

[dire swallow]

I'm currently playing a hadozee cleric and it's a great time.

[cursive fjord]

Fact check me: 2024 Humans get an extra Orgin feat instead of any feats like the 2014 ones

[dire swallow]

True

[worn lagoon]

humans in 24 also get a free inspiration every morning

[inner silo]

Yup

[river vector]

player is seeking redemption for his crimes, so interactions with the revenant should be fun

[gusty yarrow]

yeah, at best i try to avoid stepping too far into what someone else is already doing

[cursive fjord]

I still wanna bring back my Paladin of Redemption

[worn lagoon]

if we're both fiendlocks we'll simply have to bond over our dealings with devils

[inner silo]

The goodest oath

[cursive fjord]

Still waiting for a Dog Species so I can play a Golden Retreiver Paladin, The Goodest of Bois

[worn lagoon]

just homebrew your own

i have seen a golden retriever paladin around already

[inner silo]

Can't shifters be dog guys?

[cursive ledge]

kinda crazy there isn’t a dog species tbh

[fossil hollow]

Shifter is closest we got, but they literally respresent a myriad of possible animals. So...

[gusty yarrow]

someone at WoTC got a gripe with em ig

[dire swallow]

I'm making a true snake folk race.

Then I'll pitch it to my DM

[gusty yarrow]

idk some folklore describe kobolds as dog like

[fossil hollow]

They were more doggy in older editions. Then dog kobold is also more popular in japan

[inner silo]

Which class do you think would work best with two paladins, two warlocks and a fighter?

[fossil hollow]

wizard

[dire swallow]

Snake folk wouldn't be too far from lizard folk. Adding buoyancy and something about not having legs.

[inner silo]

Would you take abjuration or illusion?

[fossil hollow]

Im partial to War or Scribes

[inner silo]

Wdym?

[covert root]

What kind of absurd party configuration is that?

What donut thought it would be a good idea to have 2 pairs of the same bloody class?

[inner silo]

Everyone wants to play charisma casters i think. I'm also playing a sorcerer but i want to swap

[gusty yarrow]

there are non charisma casters?

[dire swallow]

Which kinda paladin is it?

[fossil hollow]

I would rather play Scribe or War Magic than those

[covert root]

Officially-speaking, non-charisma are actually the most common. Most people have to study to learn magic, such as wizards.

[inner silo]

There are non charisma halfcasters I've heard

[fossil hollow]

what

[inner silo]

Ah i see. They're not 2024 so my dm probably wouldn't allow them

[dire swallow]

That's not what I asked I meant subclass

[inner silo]

Wrong reply

[inner silo]

One is vengance and the other idk

[fossil hollow]

literally ranger and arti

[covert root]

Anyway, Abjuration is kind of redundant on a party that tanky. Illusion, I guess.

[dire swallow]

Since a support might be the best option tbh. This team is kinda frail.

[glass granite]

Abjuration is great imo, illusioner is very fun if you and your DM can create creative scenarios

[inner silo]

My dm is pretty rewarding of creative ability uses

[worn lagoon]

Illusion is good if you can get the lv14 trait but before you get arguably the best wizard subclass trait that is... that, it's not that good

[glass granite]

Then illusioner seems perfect

[inner silo]

Which classes are support?

[dire swallow]

Maybe a support druid could work here. They are fairly supportive and have pretty convenient spells to keep people alive.

[inner silo]

I've heard wizard is like by far the strongest class at everything except healing, so it probably will only help the balance

[lavish flame]

Artificer, Bard, Cleric, Druid, Paladin, that should be them all

[echo meteor]

why the heck does suggestion not have a concentration

[covert root]

As a wizard in 75% of my games, I concur. There's very little you can't do, and taking a feat or a dip can just give you the healing you don't have.

[worn lagoon]

If your campaign is lower levels then you will probably feel more satisfied supporting with Portent. Not getting that much out of your subclass feels a little disappointing even if your base class is godlike.

[gusty yarrow]

it does tho last i looked at it

[inner silo]

We're level 5, close to 6 rn

[worn lagoon]

Background can give you healing now too, I used acolyte with find familiar

[dire swallow]

Monk can but not as well.

[covert root]

Yes, which is why I said feat, because the Background gives the Origin Feat.

[worn lagoon]

at this level I'd favor divination

[dire swallow]

Way of mercy monk with hand of healing.

[covert root]

Suggestion definitely has Concentration.

[inner silo]

Divination seems a bit broken

[fossil hollow]

its not

Portent is at most 3 times a day

[covert root]

It's not. Your portent burns out fast.

[dire swallow]

I don't think I ever played a wizard. Always go for cleric or druid.

[worn lagoon]

Useful does not always mean broken. Any brokenness still comes from your spell list.

[inner silo]

I see

[covert root]

I still think the strongest wizard is the Bladesinger, though. From glass cannon to just cannon.

[worn lagoon]

But it can tip the scales when you really need to hold person this bad guy

[fossil hollow]

yeah... not sure why anything thats a good feature is called OP or broken...

[dire swallow]

Life cleric and only having healing or support is fun.

[worn lagoon]

I would actually insist that so long as multiclassing/armor prof from race aren't banned, it's not good at all

[inner silo]

What are some good early level divination spells?

[dire swallow]

It's beyond strong but not OP.

[worn lagoon]

Conditional AC that hinges on a per long rest resource vs a consistent 19 AC at all times

If you aren't running very short days you will suffer quite a bit from it

[glass granite]

My main issue with portent is that it incentivises just not doing anything till you get a useful portent roll, but as long as it’s discussed not to do that I’m fine with most of it.

[fossil hollow]

I wouldnt even say its beyond strong seeing how little uses you get of it over the course of an adventuring day

[covert root]

Conditional or not, even without the AC, you're still a Wizard.

[inner silo]

Depends on how long your day is ig

[fossil hollow]

youll never see me running one encounter days, thats for sure

[worn lagoon]

You could be a Wizard and have high AC at all times and good subclass features still

[glass granite]

Wait is it 19 AC?

[worn lagoon]

15 from halfplate by having armor prof from a dip or race. +2 from dex, +2 from a shield

[echo meteor]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/spells/2619101-suggestion

it doesn’t

[gusty yarrow]

see that C under duration?

[covert root]

It literally has the "C" icon right next to the name.

[gusty yarrow]

and the name asw (im blind)

[covert root]

I use that spell, like, every week. I swear I'm not mad.

[worn lagoon]

My Warlock uses a bow so he cannot hold a shield rn, but he has con proficiency and 18 ac from a +1 halfplate rn which has spared me from taking many hits

[echo meteor]

hmm. they moved the “concentration” tag from the description

[glass granite]

Tis my favourite spell

[covert root]

A smart Bladesinger raises DEX first, so Mage Armor leaves your AC at 16-17, long before Shield or Bladesong even kicks in. It's not hard to craft up a Cloak of Protection or later Bracers of Defense for the perpetual 19+.

[late axle]

• • (a drop of honey)

[inner silo]

How "unbalanced" are wizards actually?

[worn lagoon]

before your dm bans it, you should use suggestion + nystul + divine intervention planar binding

[gusty yarrow]

honeyed words

[worn lagoon]

an optimized wizard who knows the game in and out can microwave the scariest high CR creatures and eat them for breakfast

[gusty yarrow]

cant like, every optimized class do that tho?

[worn lagoon]

no, not really, casters yes, martials not as much

[echo meteor]

a smart wizard can also start with +3 dex mod, 13 mage armor, then spam shield

for 21 ac which is nice

[covert root]

I'd rather use my slots for something other than Shield, and most games I don't even have to use it.

[worn lagoon]

armor dipping wizard with a half plate, shield and cloak of prot has perpetual 20

[echo meteor]

then they probably need to get their hands on barrier tattoo

or a staff of protection

[inner silo]

What about a non optimised wizard in a non optimised party overall?

[worn lagoon]

too variable to answer, you could carry or flop

[covert root]

I know; I'm just referring to exclusively '24 stuff.

[inner silo]

I see

[worn lagoon]

bowsingers are really cool though i'll admit

[echo meteor]

barrier tattoo and staff of protection is unavailable in 2024?

[sterile berry]

Hey guys any Tolkien nerd here

[worn lagoon]

just need to grab hand crossbow proficiency from somewhere

[sterile berry]

I am building my own Middle Earth world for solo RP

[covert root]

Wrong channel for that, mate.

[echo meteor]

bladesinger is kind of sweet because you can get light armor proficiency for free

[sterile berry]

What Channel should I use, thanks

[covert root]

#dm-world-building

[echo meteor]

but chronomncy gives some awesome dunamancy spells

[covert root]

Not for '24. However, the Bladesong's tied to INT instead of Proficiency.

[worn lagoon]

in 24 you aren't even allowed to wear that if you want to bladesing

[echo meteor]

2024 doesn’t give u light armor prof?

[worn lagoon]

you HAVE TO be naked

[covert root]

No, and frankly, you don't need it.

[fossil hollow]

as unbalanced as your DM lets casters be

[covert root]

You get Bladesong more frequently than '14.

[worn lagoon]

mage armor's better anyway so the main loss is one spell slot

[echo meteor]

thats so dumb… i guess its barrier tattoo then

[covert root]

It's really not. You don't need the armor at all.

[echo meteor]

+2 ac isn’t helpful?

[worn lagoon]

barrier tattoo would definitely help a bladesinger

[worn lagoon]

10-12 base ac is already a very sad territory to begin with

[covert root]

Bladesinger '24 is not dependent on armor whatsoever. In fact, it actively penalizes you for insisting upon it.

[fossil hollow]

unlike in 2014, they dont even get light armor now

[covert root]

I thought it would suck without it, but I've had a more comfortable time without it.

[worn lagoon]

you can still armor dip as one, but it's more preferable you play a bowsinger at that point

[echo meteor]

good thing barrier tattoo isn’t an armor

[fossil hollow]

bladesong cant be used wit h armor at all with the 2024 BS

[worn lagoon]

you don't bladesing w/ that

you use dual hand crossbows and swap out one bolt for an eldritch blast

[echo meteor]

usually i don’t even blade song, i just sit back take shoot my crossbow + firebolt while sitting in the back with multiattack

[worn lagoon]

is it a good build? eh?
is it funny as hell? yes

[echo meteor]

i only use it if i need to defend/mitigate damage

[covert root]

You can use a Melee weapon with which you have proficiency as a Spellcasting Focus for your Wizard spells in '24 Bladesinger, so that's pretty nice. You also get proficiency in many weapons rather than just picking one.

[worn lagoon]

i mean it's still better than going into melee range of any creature pretty much always but yeah

[dire swallow]

You know what's interesting? An astral elf doesn't speak elvish

[gusty yarrow]

unless you pick elvish

[fossil hollow]

i mean, people can be of a certain race and not know their native language

My Tagalog is barely more developed than a gradeschooler's

[dire swallow]

Yeah but most elf races have innate elvish. So I just find it slightly odd.

[fossil hollow]

cuz its assumed they grew up learning elvish

in 2024, theres no inherent language except for Common

its just assumed you learnt it

[covert root]

Amen to that; Common is actually Common.

[echo meteor]

i mean, a bladesinger im playing as a player in a campaign has a cloak of displacement + barrier tattoo, but i still sit in the back plinking away with crossbow + firebolt

[covert root]

True Strike is a far better cantrip now in comparison.

[echo meteor]

it deals less damage than a firebolt

uhh after level 5

[covert root]

'24 True Strike, not '14's Garbage Strike.

[fossil hollow]

also assuming a normal crossbow. Magical ones exist

[echo meteor]

ya, it’s still less than a firebolt after level 5

[fossil hollow]

Its not hard to get +X or vicious

[echo meteor]

maybe if u use magical crossbow

sure

[covert root]

Fire Bolt gets zero benefits from the quality of the weapons, weapons that you can just craft per crafting rules in '24. Also, it's Radiant. It's not just numbers, but the effectiveness of the damage type.

[halcyon forum]

with a crossbow is 1d6+1d8+4

[inner silo]

Is champion fighter essentially the damage subclass?

[echo meteor]

is that better than 2d10?

[worn lagoon]

can you use true strike with a ranged weapon?

[halcyon forum]

yes

[covert root]

Yep.

[worn lagoon]

nice, true strike finally has rights then

[covert root]

No Concentration either.

[halcyon forum]

also radiant vs fire

[echo meteor]

2d10 + 1d8 +3?

[fossil hollow]

2d10 is 11 avg

1d6 + 1d8 + 4 is 12

[worn lagoon]

would probably still go for the eb but cool to know

[gusty yarrow]

6 damage vs 2 damage minimum

[echo meteor]

dex is +3

[fossil hollow]

if youre using a hand crossbow, firebolt has the same average as a True striked one

[covert root]

I've gotten more consistent DPS with True Strike than Fire Bolt.

[halcyon forum]

and in melee its 3d6+4 vs 2d10

[fossil hollow]

TS makes it spellcast mod

[echo meteor]

ahh

[fossil hollow]

if its a viscious weapon, you get:
3.5 * 3 + 4.5 + 4

total average of 19

[dire swallow]

Debating a class.

[halcyon forum]

also just the fact that the damage floor is so much higher with TS is really nice

[echo meteor]

hmm i guess it’s slightly higher, would it fall behind at level 11?

[halcyon forum]

at level 11 its slightly behind

[fossil hollow]

3d10 is 16.5

[sacred sedge]

How do people even enter dnd sessions?

[halcyon forum]

you find a group, usually DMs will do ads looking for players

[covert root]

With a pizza to bribe the DM, some notes, and a beer.

[halcyon forum]

or you convince friends and family

[fossil hollow]

1d8 + 2d6 + (assuming 20 INT) 5 is 16.5

15.5 with a handcrossbow

[echo meteor]

its usually MUCH easier to find players as a DM than as a player looking for a DM

[halcyon forum]

yeah

[gusty yarrow]

tons of hungry players, not as many DMs

[halcyon forum]

but its still the DMs doing ads and getting tons of players wanting to join

[gusty yarrow]

especially if your timezones fall outside the US for online games (god finding online games that dont run till 3AM on a weekday sucks)

[echo meteor]

it’s so much more work/prep to DM, though id guess once you run a module once, a repeat run of that module will be a walk in the park

[worn lagoon]

You suffer enough humilation rituals trying to join them until one lands

It doesn't help that a subset of DMs will inevitably be what you absolutely are NOT looking for

[echo meteor]

dude, most of the ones that i join, im just frustrated at some of the weird ass rulings that dms just make up or get wrong

it somewhat takes the fun out of the game 😭

[worn lagoon]

I've gotten accustomed to spotting DM red flags but now there are barely any games I want to apply to

[fossil hollow]

-# zinogre pfp, based

[echo meteor]

a DM without a red flag is rare indeed

[sacred sedge]

How long does sessions last if ur a busy person?

[echo meteor]

though, i find completely homebrewed d&d games to be a bit “meh”

[worn lagoon]

I'm not against homebrewed settings, I just like having good warlock patron options

[echo meteor]

you just say the games will take 2-3 hours. and end the sessions after the time is up saying “cya next week”

[sacred sedge]

Dang. Only time I’ll have 2-3 hours to spare is at night :/

[echo meteor]

alot of groups just say “we’ll end it here, we can continue next week”

[echo meteor]

lol i doubt you’ll get anywhere with less than 2 hours -_-

[gusty yarrow]

yeah 2 hours is already very short for a session

[polar ember]

I finished making two character sheets now to make the backstory 😭

[sacred sedge]

I’m so fried. I don’t think any dm would Stay up past 10.

[echo meteor]

i think 2 or 2.5 hours is good

[north hawk]

2 hours for a session works if you only have 2 or 3 players.

[gusty yarrow]

it does depend on party size and what happens in said session tbf

[craggy summit]

2.5 hours isn't bad if there isn't much combat tbh

Combat can go on for a while sometimes

[fossil hollow]

they can if its not 10pm their time

[polar ember]

I stay up past 10 if its a friday and the weekends

[echo meteor]

when i see someone say “i just got this dmg, and im going to start a homebrewed campaign” without looking at or even trying an official module is a BIG red flag

[fossil hollow]

eh, its a rough start, not a red flag

[echo meteor]

especially the ones that “only run self made homebrewed campaigns”

[fossil hollow]

the DMG literally does give guidance on making your own settings

[north hawk]

Yeah. I would temper my expectations going into a game like that.

[echo meteor]

yeah, but you didn’t write it yourself right?

[north hawk]

I'm currently running my first home brewed campaign and it's been a lot of work for a very small part of my world.

[polar ember]

Homebrew isn't bad if you have a good story and know the game rules

[north hawk]

Knowing the rules really matters.

[echo meteor]

yoo, yeah, there’s just stupid amount of details + lore + some weird game rules, you can’t get really get it all at once

[gusty yarrow]

i feel like just having a new and naive dm shouldnt count as a red flag

[worn lagoon]

might as well keep it a surprise

I think it's biting more than most can chew but it's also not necessarily a red flag

[sacred sedge]

Is it odd I prefer homebrews over normal sessions?

[polar ember]

my campaigns are usually puzzles and lore more than combat, having good lore and lots of interactives really help homebrew contents

[dire swallow]

Nothing is wrong with a new DM, help guide them on what they don't know and accept they might be slow to pick up stuff.

[echo meteor]

at some point, it gets to the point where your playing something that is called D&D “in name only” gameplay that somewhat resembles it, but you may as just call it a whole different game with made up rules

[sacred sedge]

I heard of DnD beyond. What it used for?

[fossil hollow]

Its the officially supported DnD website by Wizards of the Coast

[echo meteor]

or a skeleton based off d&d but with 90% of everything overhauled or changed. which at that point, could you really call it d&d?

[frail wasp]

everyone is playing D&D in name only, the game in the book doesn't actually exist >_>

[inland thorn]

Overpriced..

[dire swallow]

Everyone has to start from somewhere.

[frail wasp]

everyone's playing "<DM's name> presents, a cover of D&D"

[gusty yarrow]

theoretically you could only run a campaign just on DnD beyond, so everything ig

[fossil hollow]

Thats literally how I name my DDB campaigns

[frail wasp]

legit

[north hawk]

If the rules follow DnD by like 50% or more then you can probably still call it DnD.

[gusty yarrow]

idk how good DDB is as the sole engine tho (havent used it since covid)

[echo meteor]

true, though… i usually find alot of people being “homebrew happy” and essentially rewriting everything

[north hawk]

I wouldn't call it an engine. But DnD Beyond has everything you need to run a virtual game except for voice chat.

[fossil hollow]

Ti-Moth Presents: Titanic Upheaval
Ti-Moth Presents: Ragnarok
Ti-Moth Presents: Shadow of the Dragon Queen
And like, 5 more DDB campaigns that follow the same naming scheme

[north hawk]

Yeah. I'm not a fan of that myself. They start making changes with no thought into how it'll affect other parts of the game.

Better to be careful and minimal with homebrew rules imo.

[echo meteor]

what’s worse is when they don’t know that it’s homebrew and assert that it’s raw… or its how d&d is supposed to be played, and it’s impossible to convince them otherwise

[autumn goblet]

I found out something about thr Alchemy jug

The Alchemy jug holds 2 gallons of Mayonnaise, thats a little over 7.5 liters
And it can pour up to 2 gallons of fluid per minute
Meaning in 6 seconds, 750 millimeters of mayonnaise will spray out every 6 seconds

A mayonnaise cannon if you would

[frail wasp]

you saying you wouldn't allow someone to bring a homebrew species and subclass to the table so they can make their potatofolk fighter dreams a reality?

[autumn goblet]

Who tf needs THAT much mayonnaise?

[fossil hollow]

me

[north hawk]

Lmao. That would be awkward to explain.

[frail wasp]

don't underestimate the puzzles you can solve with copious amounts of slaw

[rugged wave]

I need help for making a spellsword character, I'm thinking of going Fighter (Eldritch Knight) 5/Wizard (Abjurer) X

[echo meteor]

i want to roll investigation to solve this puzzle with my characters 20 intelligence

[dire swallow]

I once ran a game for the first time. Ran a simple 1 shot of going through a forest, then cave then a boss fight.

[north hawk]

Depends on the game I'm running lmao.

[frail wasp]

best I can do is read you a hint if you succeed on a DC 22 check

[echo meteor]

eyy! my 200+ iq wizard can probably pass that!

[frail wasp]

sick ... okay, your hint. you think the purple key could disarm the purple lock

[echo meteor]

i probably wouldn’t know however

[echo meteor]

i don’t get it

[frail wasp]

dang

[gusty yarrow]

oops the mayonnaise spilled on the puzzle and broke it, magically solving it

[frail wasp]

maybe time to consult the other partymembers

[echo meteor]

what if, purple key is like the beholder in the last room that is purple, maybe we can cut off one of its eye stalks, that might open the lock

[frail wasp]

well ... you can certainly try

[echo meteor]

what if, i stick the key in the beholders mouth?

[dire swallow]

I can't even remember the enemy I used for a boss. It would sleep make a duplicate of itself and if that died the original wakes up.

[lusty tendon]

Alr i have some questions that i wanna run by before i begin them,

1. Do you think its ok that i make a small houserule where right before each session out of character you say one funfact about your character

2. One of my players is a druid where they want to discover unknown animals and species, do you have any advice on what i should give them or should i just make homebrew creatures

Thank you

[echo meteor]

does the druid have vast knowledge of EVERY animal in the world?

[frail wasp]

you should ask your players these qs, not us

if they're cool with it, i'm cool with it

[lusty tendon]

A general knowledge as they went to a prestigious school

[echo meteor]

but EVERY animal?

[lavish flame]

1. Yeah, why not.
2. idk what is actually wanted by this. I'd be happy with discovering Dinosaurs, but idk what that player wants.

[echo meteor]

maybe the school culture doesn’t know about certain animals in different plane or region

EVERY animal is quite much

[lusty tendon]

Well you can deduce some thinks (yes they are the type to look at a monster as it is mid swing analyzing it)

[worn lagoon]

bg3 bullshitted several types of dinosaur into existence just for druids, i don't see why you cannot

[fossil hollow]

which ones?

[worn lagoon]

if the setting is the forgotten realms, literally have a genie teleport them to Chult for the funny where they get mauled by and discover dinos

[lusty tendon]

Yeah that was my thought but ill make some happy creature bs maybe add some hell spawn as well (abyssal chickens)

[gusty yarrow]

It's your world man, you're the one decides what animals and such are known of and taught about in schools in said world

[echo meteor]

i thought dinosaurs are common in d&d

[worn lagoon]

dilophosaurus

[lavish flame]

not exactly "common" but they aren't extinct animals in D&D

[fossil hollow]

Bigby even hammers down on dinosaurs and other extinct megafauna just existing in multiple dnd settings

[echo meteor]

i tried running a random encounters chart and i was surprised when the heroes encountered a dinosaur..

i was like “wait, there’s dinosaurs in d&d”

[lavish flame]

In my mind, they're as common as something like a Displacer Beast

[fossil hollow]

Titanotheres, giant elemental dinosaurs

[fossil hollow]

im fairly sure they existed, just no frills or acid spit

[worn lagoon]

last appearance before bg3 seems to be... 2e?

[fossil hollow]

oh, you mean their statblocks

[fossil hollow]

... so the feywild has all the beasties of my dreams 🫣

[worn lagoon]

basically the only way the player's druid can see one in that game is via the chult thing, expected to happen around the same time they're lv10, so there's nothing wrong with coming up with something similar for your table to end up somewhere with dinos for a one day adventure or shorter

[echo meteor]

displacer beasts r awesome

[fossil hollow]

My sunday game is literally just Hollow Earth.

[echo meteor]

phase spiders r pretty cool too

[fossil hollow]

Dinosaurs, Kaijus, Dragons, Giants, they all reside there

[jolly agate]

Oh damn

[echo meteor]

kaiju is a thing?

like godzilla, king kong?

[jolly agate]

Yep

And they are BIG

[dire swallow]

A fun low-level enemy if you want one for a campaign or dungeon

A Berbalang

[jolly agate]

they are GARGANTUAN

Biblical proportions

[feral fulcrum]

Sounds like the perfect place to throw in a Rune Knight or Giant Barb

[echo meteor]

why would it be an enemy though? it seems like something you can reason with

[feral fulcrum]

Deploys the Magmin They're a truly fun enemy.

[dire swallow]

Made for an interesting fight idea and it was protector of the grave site. They had several warnings.

It was just a quick 2-3 hour thing. Couple of fights and this mini boss idea. It was a few years ago but I think they messed up with reasoning with it too.

[lavish flame]

I wish 5e had the higher and lower size categories that previous editions had

[dire swallow]

I was also finding out if I liked the idea of dming and I didn't mind it just think avrae made me not enjoy it.

[rough basalt]

Not a huge fan of avrae outside of using it to look stuff up sometimes or roll stats

[feral fulcrum]

Eh, Since Gargantuan covers everything that Collosal and such did, the only thing that's actually missing is Tiny.

And, well, Fine, but Fine was stupid.

[lavish flame]

nah we have Tiny, and I don't think Gargantuan actually covers Colossal tbh

I know Gargantuan has a lower bound and no upper bound, but I still want a larger mini for the kaijus

[cedar spade]

If I use suggestion on a creature and say "your leader is an imposter, kill him" would that work?

[inner silo]

I'm pretty sure you can't tell them to cause harm to their allies, although this might change their leader from their ally to not so idk

[cedar spade]

But I told him that his leader is an imposter, so he isn't an ally anymore

[inner silo]

I mean it might fail before it actually kicks in. It depends on wether the words of suggest work eich after the previous one or do they all kick in only after the full phrase was spoken

[feral fulcrum]

You'll want to look into 3D printing then.

[oak heron]

Good afternoon all, I am having issues with the content sharing feature. I am the DM, I have enabled content sharing, the PHB is definitely shared, and I have a Master subscription. When players create characters in my campaign, trying to view the PHB sends them to the store to buy it

[pine herald]

Is the game table stench real? I've done 3 campaigns and all of them have been online. From my other more experienced friends, they told me that the game tables they've gone to had an actual smelly stench coming from the players, I just want more povs of it. Please do not take this as anything offensive

[feral fulcrum]

#ddb-support may prove more useful.

[oak heron]

Oh, dang, you're right. I clicked there and must have clicked out of it. Thanks!

[feral fulcrum]

No worries.

[tulip anchor]

an explanation on how combat works in DnD?

[lavish flame]

The Basic Rules should help you out, you can find them over in #learn-to-play

There's a section about Combat that'll explain it in amazing detail

[tulip anchor]

I don't see anything about Combat, though

[loud tendon]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/playing-the-game#Combat try this

[vestal crow]

hand crossbow says it has loading propert but if i get extra attack at level 5 can i still only shoot once ?

[cedar spade]

Does vicious mockery work on creatures that don't understand you?

[frail wasp]

yes, it's that vicious

[craggy summit]

Yep!

You unleash a string of insults laced with subtle enchantments at a creature you can see within range. If the target can hear you (though it need not understand you), it must succeed on a Wisdom saving throw or take 1d4 psychic damage and have disadvantage on the next attack roll it makes before the end of its next turn.

[cedar spade]

Cool

[craggy summit]

Unfortunately RAW yes

Loading Because of the time required to load this weapon, you can fire only one piece of ammunition from it when you use an action, bonus action, or reaction to fire it, regardless of the number of attacks you can normally make.

[vestal crow]

so unless i have a normal bow level 5 extra attack is useless

[cerulean sky]

What up my phone about to die

[dapper wigeon]

DNDbeyond content sharing, does it just share content I bought or if I activate it does it activate it for everyone in the campaign?

[feral fulcrum]

There are plenty of ways to get around loading. Gunner Feat ignores loading, certain kinds of Magic Weapons also ignore it. - Er, wait, not Gunenr since Hand Crossbow. Crossbow Expert works for that.

But yeah, there are multiple ways to Ignore the Loading Property.

[idle oar]

The DM needs to enable content sharing on the D&DBeyond campaign and from that, everyone in that campaign can use the materials everyone else owns in that campaign. Content sharing requires someone with the Master Tier subscription being in that D&Dbeyond campaign and having a slot available for content sharing (a Master Tier subscription can provide content sharing for up to 5 D&DBeyond campaigns).

[meager fractal]

I'm here to cast guiding bolt and beat some enemies with my mace and I'm all out of spell slots

[timber turtle]

can elves and half elf become yuan ti?

[jolly agate]

Idk ma table always smells like snacks cuz if u playin whit ya friends u need to order some shi

[meager fractal]

yes

[jolly agate]

like

One tenner per person

and we order some shi, last time it was sushi

and ye what u sayd is kinda offensive tho

[pine herald]

They done remove my awesome emojis

[loud tendon]

I would say it is far rarer than you'd think.. People choosing to play a game together for hours at a time tend to like one another and being in a shared space together.
That said, sometimes people sweat, but you could get there anywhere you go where people are for extending periods of time.

Calling it "stench" though seems to lean to the stereotype that nerds have poor hygiene.. which just isn't true.

[wintry merlin]

Random question

Is there like a basis for how long of a lifespan extension would half and half races get?

Like
If a dwarf and a human had a baby
How would one compute the lifespan for said baby?

[jolly agate]

I mean. It depends on how much dwarf the baby has in its blood.

i would say at least 100 years cuz dwarfs live LONGG

[wintry merlin]

In my world buikding story
The baby is 50/50 dwarf and human

[jolly agate]

I messed up, 150-300 years

Dwarf genetics are STRONG

[clear goblet]

I'd say pick 1/3 options.

1. The baby has dominant dwarf genes are hense has closer to dwarf lifespan
2. The baby has dominant human genes are hense has closer to human lifespan
3. Give the baby either an average estimate of the halfed lifespan or just a rough designated amount of years between the two lifespans

[wintry merlin]

I see.

Though in my case maybe the genes are having a boxing match.

He doesnt have that much face hair
No doubt from his mother

But he's 5' flat and might get a dwarf's lifespan

[still plover]

Sure, check out half elves.

https://www.dndbeyond.com/compendium/rules/basic-rules/races#HalfElf

"Age. Half-elves mature at the same rate humans do and reach adulthood around the age of 20. They live much longer than humans, however, often exceeding 180 years."

[jolly agate]

That's why
Dwarf genetics>>>>>Elven Genetics

[clear goblet]

Fr lmno

[clear goblet]

"They live much longer than humans, however, often exceeding 180 years."
Why is the word however in that sentence???

[hot marlin]

Because they mature at the same rate as humans. It's a contrast

Therefore you use the word "however". Like "He's an idiot, however he had a good idea"

[clear goblet]

Oh it's contrasting the previous sentence
I honestly didn't notice that

[jolly agate]

Dwarfs>>>>>Elves as always

[still plover]

Half-orcs, and again I believe the assumption is human and orc, tend to top out at 75 years.

[hot marlin]

If you write "elves" then the plural is "dwarves" by the same logic. If you write "dwarfs", the plural is "elfs"

[jolly agate]

Oh yeah that's sad but like, Orcs don't really live THAT long

[still plover]

There are a couple of worked examples for you. Take them or leave them as you wish.

[jolly agate]

They are short lived

[hot marlin]

That's the same lifespan as humans.

For half-orcs I mean.

[jolly agate]

ye, and almost the same as orcs

(like full orcs)

[still plover]

"Age. Humans reach adulthood in their late teens and live less than a century."

[clear goblet]

If only the English language were that simple..

[hot marlin]

There's this part in Order of the Stick where a god explains to a cleric that another god made the goblins because "he has this stupid idea that if he makes people that live shorter lives and breed extremely fast, they'll outcompete everyone else. It has never worked but he keeps trying. And then he gets bored when it doesn't immediately work and makes giant monsters instead"

[jolly agate]

LMAO

freaking love Goblins

[knotty pasture]

That is now my headcanon for bugs in real life

[jolly agate]

Wait, goblins have a god?