dnd-discussion

[umbral girder]

Gloomstalker was introduced in Xanathar’s

[fossil hollow]

pdk and battlerager too

[knotty vine]

Ohhh

[umbral girder]

Yeah it never came from Xanathar’s

[woven flint]

I want a reprint for Sun Soul
It was a very fun concept

[knotty vine]

Still bad

[umbral girder]

Eh I can still make encounters for a Sun Soul.

[woven flint]

Wasn't as bad as Kensei was (which was mostly bad due to the wording of agile parry)

[knotty vine]

Like not being able to make an unarmed strike as a bonus action when you used the beam or whatever it was since it was a “ranged spell attack”

[wild harbor]

by the way which edition was your favorite overall? I have tried 5e the most and really like how smooth and flexible it is but I have a soft spot for 2e 3e mechanics they felt way more tactical and challenging and honestly each edition has something unique but I had say 5e wins for ease of play and story flexibility

[umbral girder]

Technically not a problem anymore in 2024

[woven flint]

2024 monk fixes that up

[knotty vine]

Not anymore no

[limber trail]

I find agile parry to be very funny - actively discouraging you from using your kensei weapon to attack

[woven flint]

Sun Soul would probably actually be really good with 2024 monk, but I don't have the patience to try it

[umbral girder]

Besides, if you are making a ranged attack, odds are you weren’t gonna make an Unarmed Strike either

[wild harbor]

@limber trail have you not created your own game or campaign yet?

[knotty vine]

Just give kensei monk a long bow and your set

[limber trail]

I run my own campaign, one session a week, yes

[fossil hollow]

you mean a gun

[knotty vine]

That also works

[limber trail]

always give the monk a gun

[fossil hollow]

kensei was the subclass for the gunk after all

[wild harbor]

oh thatz great i love talking about it which one?

[umbral girder]

I am very amused with the Gunner feat

[knotty vine]

It was good with any ranged attacked

[limber trail]

I really do wish kensei let you use your kensei weapons for flurry of blows

[umbral girder]

It removes the Loading property for Guns. A property guns do not have.

[fossil hollow]

anyway, i still hope you got them drow poison bullets

[woven flint]

I'd never use ranged weapons on a Monk.
You can't make me!
If I can't fight the dragon because it's flying
Screw you, I'm not pulling out a bow!

[umbral girder]

Guns have the Reloading Property.

[knotty vine]

A few guns do have the loading property

[fossil hollow]

reload is on the non-renessiance/phb ones iirc

[limber trail]

Modern Guns from the DMG have the reloading property but the PHB guns have the loading property

[knotty vine]

Yeah

[wild harbor]

Do you usually let your players dual wield or stick to one gun at a time?

[soft hare]

Me need help
Me need bardic inspiration but secretly underhanded insults

[knotty vine]

I still don’t get the point of “duel wielding” guns it doesn’t give you any more attacks as no gun in the DMG have the light Property

[fossil hollow]

to be dante

[limber trail]

it's for the aesthetic

[knotty vine]

There is one in tower of secrets

[fossil hollow]

i wanna rock the ebony and ivory build

"Jackpot"

[woven flint]

If your ally missed an attack before:
Hey, this'll make you swing a bit better!

[limber trail]

Give hokrun a second thunderbuss and let him loose (or actually I could just use my other gun...)

[wild harbor]

@limber trail tell me about your campaign?

[umbral girder]

Haven’t happened. Because guns aren’t that good at my games

[fossil hollow]

you got another gun with nim and wright, no?

[knotty vine]

I still find the wording of dance bards level 14 ability very funny

[umbral girder]

Lack of magic item support means guns fall off hard

[limber trail]

TB was from nim and wright. I have both of my guns atm

[fossil hollow]

ah ic

[soft hare]

Hehe
That's good
Do you have some more?

[wild harbor]

well so do you mostly stick to melee and magic then or do you let ranged weapons shine sometimes too

[woven flint]

Can't wait for Ti to throw a shambling mound at us and I can't even use Shocking Grasp against it

[limber trail]

I could leave one with nim and wright. See what they do with it

[umbral girder]

Oh yeah ranged weapons have plenty of magic item options.

[fossil hollow]

they might turn that one into a rifle...

[umbral girder]

It’s just that guns specifically don’t have much.

[limber trail]

I'm gonna become percy de'rolo

[woven flint]

Shocking Grasp is my Knowledge Clerics main attack 😔

[fossil hollow]

good

[limber trail]

You mentioned a scope and ranged option which would be interesting

[knotty vine]

I don’t like that there’s no way to not have disadvantage on magic ranged attacks now

[umbral girder]

A lot of the items target longbows and short bows

[fossil hollow]

ill make you rely on toll the dead

[knotty vine]

If an enemy is within 5ft

[umbral girder]

Spell sniper last I checked

[wild harbor]

why your message marks a sspammer

[craggy summit]

Don't we all 😔 check out #looking-for-players

[woven flint]

Hmmm
I dunno, I feel like the insults would be situational lol

[limber trail]

Spell sniper does that

[knotty vine]

Oh spell sniper does counter mend that

[woven flint]

Yeah ^

[soft hare]

Gib
Mi

[umbral girder]

You should read the PHB, has useful stuff

[knotty vine]

Think I prefer the old spell sniper

As crazy as it was

[woven flint]

"Fizban is the Lord of Flowers, maybe my inspiration will make you less of a Lord of Dowers."

[umbral girder]

ASI, still useable range, gets rid of a big weakness with ranged spell attacks (cover and melee)

[fossil hollow]

you can also probably search up underhanded compliments

[knotty vine]

Isn’t fizban a god

[fossil hollow]

one of the avatars of bahamut yes

[woven flint]

Fizban is an aspect of Bahamut

[knotty vine]

So.. yes?

[limber trail]

if an extra 60ft of range isn't getting you in range of a target then to be honest I don't think you're close enough to worry about needing to hit it

[umbral girder]

Aspect*

[fossil hollow]

i did say yes, did i not?

[woven flint]

Yes. He's the extension of a God

Fizban and Bahamut are the same individual

[knotty vine]

A simple yes or no would have worked

[fossil hollow]

we're all about the specifics here, you should know by now

[woven flint]

Indeed

[knotty vine]

I’m putting you in the book

[fossil hollow]

counterspell. anywya

[knotty vine]

You can’t.. counter spell it

[fossil hollow]

counter. spell.

[woven flint]

It's not just being specific for you, but also for others who may not know as well

[knotty vine]

It’s not a spell

[fossil hollow]

im tapping two islands. im countering it

[limber trail]

everything's a spell if you're creative enough

[wild harbor]

have you all heard about dungeons & dragons crochet

[knotty vine]

It’s a magic effect not a spell

[fossil hollow]

my friend crochet'd a dice bag for me

i need to wash it though, its a bit covered in dirt

[knotty vine]

9th level magic circle

[fossil hollow]

counter gg announcer voice

[limber trail]

counterspell

[wild harbor]

can you show?

[knotty vine]

LR it gets through anyway

[fossil hollow]

2014 counterspell in this roof

[knotty vine]

That’s not fair

[wild harbor]

and what aboutf Iconic subclasses for 5e

[umbral girder]

Counterspell LR

[fossil hollow]

#merch-and-dice message

[woven flint]

Life isn't fair 🧐

[knotty vine]

It’s a con save in the new rules

[fossil hollow]

screw that

if dispel magic stays the same, so does counterspell

[umbral girder]

I Counterspell the LR

[knotty vine]

It’s not a spell through

[limber trail]

Counterspell is quite literally the one and only change from the new rules that i run the 2014 version of

[knotty vine]

I thought people hated counter spell

[wild harbor]

wow it looks goood my friend also doing this but dont give to me yet lol😀

[limber trail]

Those people are cowards

[fossil hollow]

the only people who hate counterspell are the red players. and other blue players.

[knotty vine]

Throw the enemies that can dispel magic at will

[fossil hollow]

again. i tap two islands and cast counterspell

[woven flint]

I figured out that I can use CME (Conjure Minor Elementals) with SWS (Steel Wind Strike) (So long as enemies are in the CME aura when I cast SWS) I can't wait to commit crimes with this info next session of Titanic :3

[limber trail]

I once gave a boss dispel magic as a legendary action. That was fun.

[fossil hollow]

i can even exile and reveal a blue card if you want force of will

[wild harbor]

@knotty vine where you get your pfp?

[knotty vine]

That’s why I usually give my enemies the ability to get out of melee via teleport or some other thing

[wild harbor]

it looks good

[fossil hollow]

the only crime about to be commited is malaketh being thrown off the cliff and being stabbed multiple time

[woven flint]

They couldn't hit him a singular time

[knotty vine]

It’s just Tasha

[fossil hollow]

i will turn him into soup. it will be a pleasurable hate crime /j

[wild harbor]

ah ik but from where you get it?

[fossil hollow]

you say that like ouroboros wont have insane bonuses

[knotty vine]

Your not gonna believe this

[wild harbor]

i can tell me

[knotty vine]

But I went on google and searched “Tasha”

[woven flint]

Killing a Harengon and leaving his dragon daughter fatherless? For shame!

Malaketh is probably the least deadbeat of dads in that campaign because he's actively helping to stop an apocalypse for the sake of his sweet child

[fossil hollow]

corruption of slate is inevitable

[wild harbor]

oh nice i believe😀

[wild harbor]

is this your favourite character?

[knotty vine]

No

[wild harbor]

alright so which one is your favourite

[knotty vine]

Vecna

[wild harbor]

i didnt heard about it

[knotty vine]

Or Asmodues

His majesty ruler of hell

[woven flint]

Nice try, dm, but the Card says that she's Staunchly loyal to me and the party >:p
The cards are beyond fate!

[knotty vine]

The card says I’m gonna die in 30 seconds

[fossil hollow]

you know whose beyond fate? the god who represents inevitability

[wild harbor]

yah ik about it

[knotty vine]

Oh hello avatar of death

[woven flint]

We're gonna destroy him

[fossil hollow]

:3

[marble lion]

And god of magic

[knotty vine]

“A man can not kill a god” -Gideon

[fossil hollow]

little spoiler for ya:

The dragon always takes its turn on Initiative count 20. On its turn, the dragon can use its movement and interaction as normal. However, it does not take an action or Bonus Action on its turn unless forced to do so by a spell or other effect. Instead, the dragon takes one of the following Epic Actions at the end of each player character's turn:

[knotty vine]

Epic actions…

[wild harbor]

Imagine a deal with Asmodeus whats the most evil contract you could sign?

[woven flint]

Is Oroboros REALLY Evil, or is he just representative of Death, Rebirth and Cycles and is misconcieved as a truly evil being? 🧐

[knotty vine]

A mortal would never be able to make a deal with Asmodues

[fossil hollow]

feel free to ask him

[woven flint]

Does he view his goals as evil?

[wild harbor]

well my favourite character iis Tiamat

[fossil hollow]

he did mention that history is written by the victors

and theres always two sides to a coin

[wild harbor]

@knotty vine by the way what you like about asmodues

[limber trail]

I don't fully agree. Asmodeus would make any deal he thinks is worth it for him. I think he's unlikely to make deals with mortals but not never

[knotty vine]

You think a greater deity would make a deal with a mortal

[fossil hollow]

yes

[limber trail]

if it was a good enough deal

[fossil hollow]

tiamat and arkhan be like:

[wild harbor]

I love her because she iss so iconic powerful and just pure chaos in dnd

[knotty vine]

What could a person possibly offer a for them to be like “shi I guess”

[fossil hollow]

mystra and her multiple chosen

actually, look at every damn chosen

[knotty vine]

Mystra is a different story

[woven flint]

Bhaal and his Chosen.

[fossil hollow]

gortash, the bhaalspawn, the seven silverhands, elminster

[limber trail]

A question like that is often the basis for an adventure

[woven flint]

Hell, the Dead Three have a whole subclass dedicated to being their chosen in a way

[wild harbor]

i think i should ask to my friend to make tiamat for my pfp in few days

[knotty vine]

This isnt a lesser deity this is a greater deity

[limber trail]

As a DM you can actually just invent something for asmodeus to want and that becomes an adventure

[knotty vine]

Of lawful evil mind you

[fossil hollow]

in fact, asmodeus isnt above lending a hand to those in chains

he also has clerics.

[knotty vine]

Chains is interesting

[limber trail]

He has clerics, warlocks and paladins

[knotty vine]

If only he wasn’t a liar I feel like he would be a lot more intimidating

[limber trail]

Liars can be intimidating

[woven flint]

Asmodeus is incredibly intimidating.

[fossil hollow]

theres power through other things

[woven flint]

He's the Lord of the Hells

[knotty vine]

He’s powerful

[fossil hollow]

that much is a fact

[knotty vine]

I think I prefer the demogorgon through

[limber trail]

In actual play via Crit Role, Brennan Lee Mulligan portrayed Asmodeus as an incredibly intimidating liar on three separate occasions (which isn't FR canon but it was a compelling enough portrayal that's fairly faithful to the FR source material)

[fossil hollow]

i need to research how to depict him...

[woven flint]

It's not "The Demogorgon" that's rude.
His heads have names, you know!

[knotty vine]

It’s the demogorgon

[fossil hollow]

his heads have names

[knotty vine]

Or the lords of the abyss (self given titles)

[fossil hollow]

again. his two heads have seperate names and personalities

[knotty vine]

He doesn’t have my respect

[limber trail]

It's also not "The Demogorgon". The Creature is just named "Demogorgon". (As per MotM)

[woven flint]

No, I mean
Referring to him as "THE" Demogorgon is rather informal smh

Have respect for our sassy and handsome abyssal lord

[knotty vine]

I’m calling it the demogorgon just because

[fossil hollow]

alright, wheres the mark of demogorgon

[limber trail]

That'd be like calling Asmodeus "The Asmodeus" or Tasha "The Tasha". Maybe not disrespectful but definitely wrong grammatically

[knotty vine]

Did you just call the two headed monkey with tendrils for hands “handsome”

[fossil hollow]

tokii, you arent helping the alle-

[woven flint]

Demogorgon, surprisingly, isn't as horrendous as you imagine they'd be
One of his heads is actually pretty charismatic and reasonable

[fossil hollow]

"reasonable"

[woven flint]

Yeah, especially for a Demon

[knotty vine]

He’s literally a giant two headed monkey with tendrils for hands

[fossil hollow]

he's reasonable the same way GoW Odin is

[oblique quartz]

You seem like a calm and reasonable, uh... monkey-head

Are you? A calm and reasonable monkey-head?

[knotty vine]

Oh I’m thinking of the giant “the demogorgon”

[fossil hollow]

chillax frieza /j

[woven flint]

Graz'zt is also reasonable for a Demon, but that's because manipulating people is his entire thing, he still revels in pain and suffering

[fossil hollow]

ok, but thats only because hes interested in what new sensations or entertainment you can provide

[knotty vine]

Infernal machine rebuilt is the demogorgon I was thinking of name sake wise

[limber trail]

Demogorgon has a 20 Int and a 25 Charisma. I fully imagine he has the capacity to be reasonable where need be. Now, maybe not the personality to be reasonable.

[knotty vine]

Ah yes the chaotic evil fiend is reasonable

[limber trail]

Although I could see Demogorgon coming across as reasonable to lure you into a trap of some kind, with the end goal of corrupting you into doing something purely horrible for all of those reasonable reasons

[limber trail]

Reasonable means to be able to reason. He has a 20 int. He has the capacity for reasoning.

[hot marlin]

Yes but who doesn't revel in suffering? If you enjoy eating your hamburger, are you not revelling in the cow's pain and suffering?

[knotty vine]

I still think it’s cool that Mordenkaian set the path of removing magical wepaons/damage

[woven flint]

Yes, one of the heads literally just likes making conversation while the other is hellbent on destruction, they're supposed to represent duality but also insanity as they're constantly in conflict with themselves

[fossil hollow]

oh yay, our local fiend specialist who is definitely a fiend

[knotty vine]

Kill that guy

[hot marlin]

It's a common misconception that chaotic evil equates to insanity or lack of reason. This misconception is spread entirely through the community and not supported by... Anything really.

[fossil hollow]

red dragons can still be reasoned with. you just need to appeal to them

[woven flint]

A Chaotic creature can see reason, wether they listen to it is another thing

[fossil hollow]

theyre also chaotic evil

[hot marlin]

You know who else is chaotic evil? Tasha the witch.

[knotty vine]

I’m not saying that you cant be reasoned with I’m saying that shouldn’t be the first thing you think of

[fossil hollow]

one of the sheer embodiments of CE is tasha yeah

[knotty vine]

Tasha the witch from eye of ruin is chaotic neutral

[woven flint]

Yup, and Tasha (at least in EOR) still helped to save the multiverse despite being evil

[hot marlin]

Everyone wants things. Everyone wants to get their thing while sacrificing the least possible. Therefore, you can reason with them and offer them a course of action.

[hot marlin]

Yes, but in just about every previous appearances save one, she was CE.

[fossil hollow]

you should have seen her glory days

[knotty vine]

Iggwilv is also chaotic neutral

[woven flint]

Evil beings can have good qualities

[fossil hollow]

Igg is an entirely different persona

[woven flint]

Yup!

[hot marlin]

The writers' ideas is that she softened throughout her life

[knotty vine]

You could be talking about Zybilna

But no where in 5e does it stat chaotic evil

[woven flint]

Tasha, also known as "Ms. Has too many damn personas!"

[fossil hollow]

thats why we said her glory days and older depictions

none of us specifically said 5e

[mighty wharf]

Should I take sleet storm or Hypnotic pattern

[fossil hollow]

youre the one putting in that goalpost

[mighty wharf]

Definitely hypnotic pattern right?

[woven flint]

Hypnotic Pattern

[knotty vine]

You mean in Lost City of the Elder Evils?

[mighty wharf]

I could take Sleet Storm over say L's Tiny Hut or Phantom Steed but I kinda need rituals since I don't have enough preparable spells

[knotty vine]

I always assume we’re talking about 5e unless stated otherwise

Kinda like how most talk about 24 rather than 14

[fossil hollow]

literally a comment before.

[fossil hollow]

also this

[knotty vine]

That could mean literally anything

[woven flint]

It literally means what they said, though

[knotty vine]

“Glory days” doesn’t translate to early editions

[fossil hollow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[knotty vine]

0/10 rage bait

[woven flint]

You should've seen her when she was conceived!

Wait, that also sounds weird-

[fossil hollow]

im not rage baiting though?

[knotty vine]

Just say 3.5 dawg

[fossil hollow]

she was adopted! chris rock slap

[mighty wharf]

Tbf though something can wake it up though and it's concentration right? So it really has to hit ALL enemies to be effective doesn't it?

[knotty vine]

Granted I guess it does kinda make sense as she was adopted my baba yaga

[hot marlin]

Do you think the character was created in 3.5?

[woven flint]

Fun Fact: Iggwilv and Graz'zt were also lovers at some point

[fossil hollow]

being unconsious ends concentration

[knotty vine]

I know she wasn’t

[hot marlin]

She was invented for Gygax's home game. Back in first edition where she was a villain that team faced.

[mighty wharf]

No I meant it's additionally a concentration spell

[knotty vine]

Just in the most up to date version she’s “not as evil” or something

[fossil hollow]

technicaly speaking, theyre still in a on-off relationship

[hot marlin]

Later as they grew the setting of Greyhawk she took greater place. As an evil witch. A chaotic evil demon-summoner. Who was reasonable. This is the point I was making.

[woven flint]

The most beautiful Toxic romance, they genuinely hate and live eachother very much

[knotty vine]

Through Tasha the witch in eye of ruin is her before the became an archfey

Or something to that logic

[woven flint]

Tasha the Witch is a parallel version of Iggwilv in EOR

[fossil hollow]

enemies to lovers, back again

[hot marlin]

I will add this: I have met a lot of different people. The only ones I would ever call "unreasonable" are the ones who are genuinely stupid, and the ones who were temporarily unreasonable due to strong emotions.

Some are genuinely stupid. I've actually met one of the dumbest persons in the world yesterday.

[fossil hollow]

oh boy

[hot marlin]

I exaggerate, I was shocked. But you get my point. Absolutely reason-proof.

[woven flint]

It's really not that hard to believe that even Forces of pure evil can see the logic behind a conversation

[knotty vine]

I was hoping we got a Zybilna stat block

[fossil hollow]

we do

[woven flint]

Yee

[knotty vine]

Where

[fossil hollow]

in the only place you meet her

[hot marlin]

We're talking about chaotic evil, not neutral evil. So it's not even pure evil, it's evil dilluted in chaos.

[mighty wharf]

I'm gonna make my tiny hut a yurt

[knotty vine]

Wait Tasha can time travel?

[hot marlin]

Or chaos dilluted in evil. Well, a mix. Heterogenous likely

[fossil hollow]

you cant? 🤨

[knotty vine]

Well Zybilna can kinda time travel?

[woven flint]

Yes, Tasha can time travel

She's an incredibly powerful being

[fossil hollow]

i feel like we're getting close to spoiler territory though

[knotty vine]

I’m getting sick of the time traveling sub plots

[fossil hollow]

t-theres only been 1 as far as i know in 5e

[knotty vine]

I didn’t say 5e now did I

[glass granite]

It takes an action to shake one person out, so it’s still pretty damn good

[fossil hollow]

wait, planescape has time dragons.... hey get 800 years to the future or past...

is it 800 or 8000? or 1000?

[woven flint]

I'm not gonna hold you chief you understood what I meant, I'm not gonna argue semantics 😭

[knotty vine]

The aliment system is flawed as its core anyway

[woven flint]

Yes. ^

[mighty wharf]

For a 3rd level spell slot? Idk what about web or phantasmal force, aren't those better since they're saving throws they can fail and take an action?

[fossil hollow]

they dont incapacitate

[glass granite]

Web doesn’t incapacitate (neither does phantasmal force), so they’re not as good

[mighty wharf]

I have another way of incapacitating an enemy though. It's very evil.

[woven flint]

Hypnotic Pattern is one of the most powerful lower level spell the game because it can potentially be an off button for a entire encounter

[mighty wharf]

It does take more spell slots...

[knotty vine]

Make them laugh

[glass granite]

Tasha’s hideous laughter is a classic

[fossil hollow]

also single target, and less targets than hypnotic on average

[knotty vine]

It is a first level spell

[mighty wharf]

But that's SUPER gambling. You're rolling for a jackpot, making sure they're not immune to the charmed condition AND failing the saving throw

[glass granite]

It’s a watered down Hypnotic pattern yeah

[fossil hollow]

even upcasted its not really catching up

[knotty vine]

Immune to the charmed condition is not something you’ll run into often

[fossil hollow]

no. it is

[knotty vine]

I mean at lower levels

[mighty wharf]

And if anybody attacks them they're free from the spell, AND it's concentration.

[woven flint]

Then use other spells for other situations where it can't solve it?

[glass granite]

I mean, that’s a free attack

[knotty vine]

How do y’all feel about the new surprised conditions

[fossil hollow]

preferred

[glass granite]

Kinda weak, but i don’t hate it

[mighty wharf]

My entire party is Multihit Mandy's

[glass granite]

Focus one person to oblivion then

[knotty vine]

I kinda miss the old alert but I understand the nerf

[woven flint]

Its not that hard lol.
D&D is a game where your tactics for one thing aren't gonna get you through everything

..
Unless it's just "hit it until it dies" lol

[mighty wharf]

If I wanna do that, I could do Suggestion+Feign Death

[glass granite]

Two turns, single target

[mighty wharf]

I can cast feign death through my familiar

One round.

[woven flint]

Which Is a bad spell

[glass granite]

Two spell slots then

And also only single target
Hypnotic pattern prevents others from stopping you shredding their friend

[knotty vine]

I do wish the summoning fantasy for dnd was still there but it’s long gone In 24

[woven flint]

Also, Feign Death only effects wiling creatures

[mighty wharf]

I learned it for basically free with a spell scroll 🐒

[glass granite]

Which is why they said Suggestion

[mighty wharf]

That's what suggestion is for

[glass granite]

I personally would rule against it, but eh

[woven flint]

That's two spells

For one target.

[mighty wharf]

It's one saving throw and they can't break it

[knotty vine]

The idea of making a polar bear beat someone to death is really fun

[glass granite]

This

Also wait a familiar can cast spells?

[woven flint]

Touch spells, yes

[mighty wharf]

2024 suggestion lets you tell enemies to leave the fight RAW, if it can do that then I can tell them to let me cast a spell on them.

[glass granite]

Independently from their main caster?
I’ve never used one before

[mighty wharf]

It just has to be something that doesn't obviously damage them

[glass granite]

I feel like those two are slightly different things…
Telling a soldier IN BATTLE to willingly accept getting affected by the next spell coming their way arguably is obvious damage

[woven flint]

Again

Two spells, for one target

That's incredibly ineffective
Hypnotic Pattern can effect mote creatures and you can just kill who it doesn't
And if things can't be charmed, just kill them or try and take a few influence actions

[mighty wharf]

Not if I say it's a protective spell, which feign death technically is

[knotty vine]

I can’t wait till kill solo strahd once I hit level 7 because of a dm error

[glass granite]

Or use another spell

Also doesn’t help that familiars are often sniped

[knotty vine]

Most of the familiars that die are killed via splash

[mighty wharf]

I'm using an owl I can do flyby shenanigans

[glass granite]

At worst it’s inefficient

[glass granite]

Last I checked an owl is perfectly killable with a ranged weapon

[woven flint]

I'm sorry, but as an Avid spellcaster player, using more than one spellslot to deal with a singular target makes me shudder

[mighty wharf]

Ok you got me there

[knotty vine]

Guys what happens if a shadow reduces a vampires strength to 0

[glass granite]

Damn good question

[woven flint]

It just dies

[mighty wharf]

The big stupid boss happens to not have charm immunity:

[woven flint]

It doesn't become a Shadow because it isn't humanoid. It's undead.

[knotty vine]

I’m gonna kill so many vampires

[woven flint]

You could just kill things

[knotty vine]

If you don’t have high enough strength your cooked mate

[mighty wharf]

Yeah you can with feign death

It has an hour duration, and attacks dont end it

[glass granite]

I’ll also say that sorta combo feels very bannable if the DM wishes

[woven flint]

Yeah, but then you're hitting a meatbag resistant to all your damage.

[glass granite]

Which I’d say ain’t fun

[glass granite]

Not cuz it’s good for many situations
Cuz it feels cheap and kinda unfun

[tepid fiber]

So my soul is now owned by a demon prince of the empire i live under, (the demon prince is one of the players) any way I can get out of the deal under dnd lore

[glass granite]

Also doesn’t help that I don’t think you KNOW if someone passes the suggestion save

[knotty vine]

My dm ruled that any conjure spell I use I get to pick the creatures

[woven flint]

No offense to you, but if my wizard wasn't so kind, he'd probably throw a spellbook at you for your use of spells and lack of efficiency thereof

[mighty wharf]

I can choose to reroll it after it succeeds or fails.

[glass granite]

But how do you know if it succeeds or fails? I don’t think suggestion has a clear indication

[knotty vine]

Dm tells you

[mighty wharf]

You guys were just advocating for hypnotic pattern ending encounters instantly a minute ago

[woven flint]

That's charm person, I believe?

[woven flint]

Yeah, in a more effective way lol

[stoic haven]

What's happening?

[mighty wharf]

They don't like my cursed spell combo lol

[limber trail]

You’d probably be able to tell because you wouldn’t start concentrating on the spell if they succeeded

[mighty wharf]

Because it's cheap and stupid. Or rather expensive and stupid

[glass granite]

Ah yeah that’s a good point

[woven flint]

Casting two spells to solve an issue a singular cast could is inherently a worse option

[stoic haven]

Oh gods

[glass granite]

Suggestion + Feign death is the combo

[mighty wharf]

Inb4 a nasty spellcaster wakes up after you attack it, doesn't die in one round, and then casts a really nasty control spell in return

[stoic haven]

Shadows are actually really dangerous in dnd

Remind me what Feign Death does

[woven flint]

Suggestion ALSO Charms things, so your argument for not wanting to use Hypnotic Pattern because it charms is also irrelevant.

[knotty vine]

I’m gonna use them to kill Strhad

[stoic haven]

Oh gods

[woven flint]

You don't HAVE to attack it.
You can shut something off then deal with its allies and kill it last.
Or shut it AND it's allies down

[glass granite]

I wish you infinite luck, I wanna see it happen

[stoic haven]

But if you dump str, all the shadows need is 2 good rolls on their drain

Nakato almost died from shadows, remember Tokii?

[mighty wharf]

Incapacitated, 0 movespeed, blindness, for 1 hour no concentration. A "death like state"

[knotty vine]

Well my dm allowed me to pick what creatures comes out of my conjure spells

[stoic haven]

Oh no

[knotty vine]

So it if I just pick reflections for conjure fey

That’s 4 potential strength draining effects he has to death with

[stoic haven]

Also, what was with people thinking pixies could make the party into Tyrannosaurus Rexes?

[glass granite]

The wha-

[limber trail]

People think a lot of silly things

[stoic haven]

They are CR 1/8, can only transform people via polymorph into other CR 1/8 creatures

Polymorph uses casters level or CR

[stoic haven]

Hm?

[knotty vine]

Reflections has the same stat block as shadows btw

[stoic haven]

Oh, nvm, its because I remember this being a video from D&D Shorts

[glass granite]

I’ve never heard of it and got bamboozled, bedazzled and baffled from the mental image

[mighty wharf]

You know what else makes this argument completely irrelevant? I could just be evil and take both.

[knotty vine]

So even if only 2 of them hit that’s a minimum strength of 2 and maximum of 8

[stoic haven]

What, the Tyrannosaurus or the reflections?

[glass granite]

I like that option

[glass granite]

T-Rex s

[stoic haven]

Yep, Nakato had 8 str

[limber trail]

I just checked, it actually doesn’t, it uses the Target’s CR/Level

[knotty vine]

Exactly

[woven flint]

It's almost like that's what I've been telling you.
Just take the spell because it does what you're doing BETTER anyway

[stoic haven]

Oh, yea, there was a video a while back and its been on my mind

[knotty vine]

This is how I plan on killing that damn vampire

[limber trail]

I don’t blame you because most DnD shorts give me brain damage

[stoic haven]

Nakato was level 12 mind you, and nearly died to this thing

[jolly agate]

Vox Machina is so peak

[severe rampart]

Send help, my DM and party members have figured out my character is just Alexander Hamilton

[mighty wharf]

So should I replace phantom steed or leomunds tiny hut? Basically my entire party has conscious resting options except one PC, and I have a magic mouth bearing acting as a sort of Alarm spell

[knotty vine]

Ain’t no way

[stoic haven]

Wut

[woven flint]

The Show?

I have to disagree personally

The actual campaign?
Yea

[mighty wharf]

I don't think a horse is too useful for me outside of combat and it could just die inside of combat...

[glass granite]

That is a very odd and specific problem

[glass granite]

Pick whichever you like more is what I’d say, the DA HUT is a very nice spell

[mighty wharf]

Cause like I'd need phantom steeds for my entire party which doesn't really work

[stoic haven]

Leomunds is very nice

[jolly agate]

Why?, i kinda like it. Well, Right now I like The Mighty Nine a little more. And the actual campaign was kinda better ngl

[languid briar]

can i ask i anyone's had a look at the merfolk race in the exploring eberron book?

i don't have a large income so i don't want to buy the book for that race only to find that reflavouring triton is still the best bet

[stoic haven]

Ritual casting?

[jolly agate]

But it's pretty good to like, just watch while eatin

[crystal nest]

They were waiting in the wings for you, Echo

[mighty wharf]

But that uses spell slots doesn't it?

[stoic haven]

No, ritual casting doesnt use spell slots

[languid briar]

i've tried looking elsewhere to have a look at the racial features but they're nowhere to be found

[mighty wharf]

WHAT

[limber trail]

Phantom steed is really good at long distance travel and you can cast it multiple times with no downside

[stoic haven]

But it takes longer, but you can ritual cast constantly while riding them

[mighty wharf]

FREE SPELLS IS CRAZY

[limber trail]

Ritual casting is great

[mighty wharf]

Guys. Feign death is a ritual.

[stoic haven]

Takes 10 minutes longer

[languid briar]

it adds 10 mins to the casting time if you choose to cast as a ritual, but it is free

[mighty wharf]

Oh ok.

[limber trail]

If you’re a wizard you can also cast a ritual spell without having it prepared, as long as it’s in your spell book

[stoic haven]

Mainly utility spells are great as rituals

[mighty wharf]

I knew that that why I have two rituals instead of taking counterspell and sleet storm/hypnotic

[languid briar]

i'm guessing that's this place is also gonna be a dead end in terms of finding the racial features of the race to see if it's worth it or not

[reef tundra]

I like ritual casting. Really helps save spell slots for combat

[woven flint]

My problem with Vox Machina as a show is the tonal issues.

A show that wants to present itself as mature, serious and adult, but over compensates by having crass and edgy humor and almost entirely ruining most serious moments with silly humor, also, a decent portion of the jokes don't make sense unless you've watched the campaign or have played D&D (I.e, the skillful adventurers struggling with a door for 5 minutes)

[reef tundra]

It’s very MCU feeling imo

[mighty wharf]

Wait do you need rituals to be prepared to cast them without ritual casting them?

[cerulean monolith]

unless you're a wizard, yes

[mighty wharf]

Oh.

I am a wizard actually.

[limber trail]

Vox Machina definitely feels like a show made for people who have already watched the campaign

[fossil hollow]

theyre asking about if they dont wanna ritual cast

[reef tundra]

While I do like legend of Vox Machina, I do prefer Mighty Nein

[woven flint]

I'm not saying Vox Machina Is a bad show at all, I enjoyed it. I just don't think it's as good as people say

[cerulean monolith]

oh, yeah

[jolly agate]

Ye i kinda get that ngl, but u can't say nothin abt The Mighty Nine.

[fossil hollow]

if you wanna cast a ritual spell normally with a slot, you need it prepared yeah

[jolly agate]

So peak

[limber trail]

I think the show is better than Vox machina but it has its flaws too

[jolly agate]

Oh yeah for sure

No show is perfect

[limber trail]

I could criticise it a fair bit, namely that for most of the show I think the main characters are some of the least interesting parts of the show

[undone rain]

I really enjoy looking at the heroforge channel. Feels good to see people still having amazing ideas for their characters. Especially in this day and age of ai

[woven flint]

Percival is probably the ONLY interesting character tbh lol

[reef tundra]

Gasp

[limber trail]

Oh I’m talking on m9

[woven flint]

Oh, my mistake

[limber trail]

I do think a lot of both VM and M9 focus too much on making their villains and surrounding cast more interesting (because there wasn't a lot of them seen in the campaign, which is fair) but it makes some of the party feel a bit flat

[fossil hollow]

m9 garand?

[limber trail]

mighty nein animated

[severe rampart]

Yeah and I'm planning on turning to a Lich too

[woven flint]

I do still hold that sentiment
Vox Machina the show would be much better without the Halfling fellow, and, yes, I even think without Grok.. or whatever the Goliaths name was
Although, yes, I understand they were part of the main cast, they felt too silly for how the show was trying to push itself

[reef tundra]

Hands off my Grog Strongjaw >:( /lhj

[limber trail]

I do think it would be crazy to remove an existing PC like that for a direct adaptation.... looks pointedly at the mighty nein

[undone rain]

My party just fought a lich. I was an inch away from death lol

[reef tundra]

-# Weeps in lack of Yasha bc I love her

-# Autocorrect

[limber trail]

I do wish Yasha had anything to do in season 1. Even just a couple more scenes of her on her own

[reef tundra]

Why of course she did, she got….. a whopping 2 scenes before the final episode 😢

[inner silo]

Is there any bonus to using daggers over short swords/scimitars?

[reef tundra]

No wait… 1 and a cameo

[reef tundra]

You can throw daggers

But that’s not too crazy of an upside

[inner silo]

Is throwing daggers useful?

[limber trail]

The final episode of the mighty nein was great and there was some awesome visual design but yeah some stuff was.... not the best. I also found it telling that by far the most exciting party of that final epsiode was the interesting conflict between trent and essek, and the party was just there for it and stumbled into a position of power

[reef tundra]

Ummm… keeps you out of melee range I guess. Although I’d just use a shortbiw

[glass granite]

Sometimes it’s a good option to have.
But at the end of the day it’s a simple weapon for a reason

[limber trail]

I did like the show overall but flawed

[undone rain]

Never know when you run out of arrows

[cerulean monolith]

Daggers are Simple (more easily proficient than scmitars), have the Nick weapon mastery (almost certainly better than Shortsword's WM), and are the only finesse thrown weapon

[glass granite]

You can also do both

Shortsword dagger is quite effective

[undone rain]

While heavy weaponrys more my style, i usually keep a dagger as a backup so

[limber trail]

narratively speaking daggers are also more concealable for espionage, but that's more up to how your DM runs the game

There's not a lot of mechanics behind that

[inner silo]

I see. Thanks for explaining!

[glass granite]

Mostly it’s contentious between dagger and scimitar

[hot marlin]

And daggers weigh basically nothing, if that matters.

[inner silo]

Btw will bringing masteries to the 2014 version of the game break anything?

[hot marlin]

No

[limber trail]

shouldn't do, as long as you follow the general rules of them

[cerulean monolith]

and many classes can't use scimitars

[inner silo]

Oki, thanks!

[cerulean monolith]

though i believe everybody is proficient in daggers

[glass granite]

At least in 2024 yes

[cerulean monolith]

at least, off the top of my head i cant think of any class that wouldnt have proficiency in them

[undone rain]

Would make sense why everyone would, i mean come on its a dagger

[jolly agate]

Should i watch the dnd movie?. I mean, I just found out about its existence. Is it good?

[undone rain]

I liked it tbh, id recommend it

[glass granite]

I found it to be aight

[cerulean monolith]

critics enjoyed it, so did i, and it was a commercial failure

[hot marlin]

It's okay. 6.5/10. Kind of a fantasy version of Guardians of the Galaxy

[undone rain]

Distraction scene was hilarious

[fossil hollow]

its essentially your typical dnd party

[jolly agate]

I already saw the trailer, I'd never seen a chubby dragon before, and strangely enough, I find it adorable.

[undone rain]

Bard, barbarian, druid, sorcerer

[fossil hollow]

[cerulean monolith]

ah yes, themberchaud. don't feed him!

[fossil hollow]

i will

[hot marlin]

He's not a bard, he's a rogue who happens to be proficient in an instrument.

[jolly agate]

now i want a chubby dragon

[fossil hollow]

with yletrin and malaketh

[reef tundra]

I love it so much. Ik it’s not a perfect film but I will die on this hill

[undone rain]

Hes a bard in my eyes

[fossil hollow]

not according to the statblock. he just doesnt have any spell components

[reef tundra]

It just perfectly captures my dnd experience and just that feeling of playing it with friends

[mighty wharf]

I can't spend 40 minutes ritual casting phantom steeds in this campaign... we're in the middle of the feywilds. I think leomunds tiny hut, hypnotic pattern, and either sleet storm/counterspell.

[hot marlin]

Or maybe he's just played by someone who decided not to use spells for some reason

[limber trail]

Sometimes when I roll good on dndbeyond themberchaud comes and eats the roll

[mighty wharf]

Idk, can I even use counterspell if I don't even know it's a spell? I'd only really want it for nasty control effects I can basically survive any elemental magic.

[cerulean monolith]

i will note, if your perception of the 'average dnd party' is based off of short-form D&D content, then it won't be an accurate representation. but it is an accurate reprsentation of that casual, saturday evening LGS game with friends that is emblematic of actual D&D experiences. that is why older or more avid D&D players relate to the movie the most, imo

[hot marlin]

I honestly dislike the way Themberchaud is being pushed as "aha fat dragon funny".

[limber trail]

That's not a joke the crit anim with the themberchaud dice is him coming and eating the dice

[glass granite]

You can only counterspell someone casting a spell, in which you should be able to notice

Unless you mean Dispel Magic

[reef tundra]

I want that dice animation

[mighty wharf]

Is dispel magic better?

[cerulean monolith]

If you witness someone fulfilling one or more of the components of a spell, you know it is being cast, unless a feature says otherwise.

[hot marlin]

Like... Themberchaud is obese because Themberchaud was locked up and unable to move for most of its life. When you see an obese dog that was locked up in a tiny cage its whole life, its fur dirty with its own waste, do you find it funny?

[limber trail]

they were rolling so bad the last 2 sessions I put themberchaud in dice jail

[glass granite]

It’s a staple, but it’s meant for different things. Counterspell is for combat, dispel magic is utility

[jolly agate]

Mb mate, i just saw the trailer. I need more info abt the dragon😭

Still, hehehehe fat dragon hehehe

[limber trail]

brought him back out and immediately roll a 5. Thanks themberchaud.

[hot marlin]

It's easy to see "fat" and think "funny". But the story of why Themberchaud is fat is horrific.

[jolly agate]

No funny like laugh. Funny like cute af

[inner silo]

Does he also just die right after he gets released?

[cerulean monolith]

i get your point, but it's also a dragon. a fat dragon is funny, because it is something you almost never see. it's not funny because the dragon is fat, it's funny because the dragon is fat.

[jolly agate]

Wait what story?

[jolly agate]

Oh god

[reef tundra]

Themberchaud is the only reason I remember Duergar exist

[hot marlin]

Since the moment he hatched from his egg.

[reef tundra]

And bg3 ig but I sometimes just skip the Duergar

[cerulean monolith]

i'm also not looking at an obese tortured dog. i'm looking at an obese tortured dragon (which i know to be ontologically evil, for the most part). it's not real. it's not wrong to have an absence of emotion towards this fictional character

[jolly agate]

Ima get into bg3 rq to kill the duergars again

[reef tundra]

They deserve it

Man my double expectations are crazy. When Drow do something horrific it’s “aww my precious little psychos did something evil again” but when Duergar do it it’s “die you monsters”

[limber trail]

The Duergar Dungeon is the most fun part of the game but I'm ngl it does sometimes just feel like a side detour for the sake of a side detour

[cerulean monolith]

Of course Themberchaud is a sad story, but if the sadness isn't the focus, I'm going to focus on laughing at it

And now I am far too large to ever leave. Even if I tore the entire place down around me, I could not claw my way to the surface from here. Instead, I remain buried in a prison of my parents' making, far beneath a sky I've never seen.

[inner silo]

this sounds so sad😭

[inner silo]

It continues the Barkus quest at least. Also Neres boots

[jolly agate]

Wait a second

The duergar aint just like. Under dwarves or smth?

HOW in gond's name they tamed a dragon?

[hot marlin]

More or less but it's more complicated

[jolly agate]

Even if it's a chubby cute one, still a bloody red dragon

[hot marlin]

They didn't "tame" him. Slavers do not "tame" their slaves.

Dragons are not animals, they're people.

[jolly agate]

How do u even slave a dragon

[hot marlin]

By putting chains around its neck the moment it hatches from its egg.

[limber trail]

With a lot of infrastructure and planning

[frigid onyx]

Anyone up for a second opinion? 👉 #dnd-rules message

[reef tundra]

I agree with you but now I’m sad after reading that :(

[limber trail]

Slavery isn't impromptu and it's not easily thwarted. A lot of people make a lot of money off of slaving dragons in FR and similar settings, so they put a lot of money into making it as easy to do that as possible

[limber trail]

it's so sad

[reef tundra]

Now I wanna run a Themberchaud campaign and run him with the depth the precious boy deserves

[limber trail]

I wanna just say, when I roll a crit on dndbeyond, he flies in and gives a happy roar and that's healing to me

[reef tundra]

I can’t believe I’m saying this but I feel bad for the dragons

[limber trail]

I feel bad for a lot of dragons

[jolly agate]

ye now i also feel bad for the dragons

[limber trail]

they get a bad rap

[inner silo]

Are gythyanky the only once who actually tame dragons? Or do they also slave them?

[limber trail]

I'm not familiar enough with the lore to say either way

[inner silo]

I see

[limber trail]

The dragons seem to be more tamed than slaved?

[jolly agate]

50/50, not tame. But like loyalty or smth?

[reef tundra]

Curse you, Tiamat!!

[reef tundra]

They are given to the githyanki by Tiamat

[inner silo]

Oh

[reef tundra]

Because of a pact between Gith herself and Tiamat

[inner silo]

What did Gith give Tiamat in exchange?

[reef tundra]

And I’m talking Gith, the lady the entire species is named after

[reef tundra]

Her life and something else precious
-# I genuinely can’t remember

[jolly agate]

So the frog ppl gets dragons but ma boys dwarves still mountin bloody war ponys and shi

[inner silo]

I see. Tough, but at least her son got two dragons

[hot marlin]

Gith herself. She never came back from making that deal.

[limber trail]

that is some awesome lore

[jolly agate]

Fair enought ngl, It looks like a good deal to me

[reef tundra]

It is pretty awesome

[limber trail]

I wanna one day run something in the githyanki & illithid space of things

[hot marlin]

It's possible she is still part of Tiamat's hoard. Frozen in amber. Her priceless silver sword, one of the most powerful magic items in the multiverse, changed owners many times but Tiamat was the first to have it. It was made by Zerthimon, so it is a sacred item to the Githyanki and Githzerai both

[reef tundra]

I feel bad I retconned it in my setting me lore :(

[inner silo]

So she like gave up her own power in exchange for dragons?

[reef tundra]

Woah I didn’t know that part! That’s cool! Having both gith factions united in a way over that

[limber trail]

I haven't got a Tiamat in my lore and I might need to rectify that. I've got time, I can add something in some day

[hot marlin]

The details of how it happened are unknown. Only Vlaakith the first came back from the hells.

[hot marlin]

Oh they would absolutely kill each other over ownership of that sword rather than collaborate to retrieve it.

[inner silo]

Dam, so they're led by a demon lich?

[reef tundra]

I’ve got a Tiamat equivalent, but she’s more noble than Tiamat

[hot marlin]

No. I'm talking about Vlaakith the first, who never reached lichdom. She died hundreds of thousands of years ago.

[inner silo]

Ohh i see

[limber trail]

I loosely am aware that there's a dragon deity out there and so a lot of the lore will get dumped on her but nobody evil like that

[hot marlin]

Vlaakith the first was Gith's right hand. Vlaakith came with Gith to the Nine Hells to make that deal with Tiamat. Gith never came back, Vlaakith did.

[cerulean monolith]

This is really funny, because I just got the dialogue in BG3 about this exact topic. The dragons are gifted to the Gith by Tiamat. They live in the Githyanki capital, and are granted generous hordes as compensation for their service. It’s a mutually beneficial partnership, but the dragon don’t have autonomy to decide if they stay or not.

[inner silo]

Was Vlaakith the first also evil like Vlaakith the lich?

[cerulean monolith]

Important to note, that was Vlaakith 1. There’s been a ton

[hot marlin]

Very likely. It is possible that she had a hand in Gith's disappearance.

[cerulean monolith]

Oh you said that already, I can read I swear

[inner silo]

Dam. Ig the murderous aliens are the ones treating dragons best in the forgotten realms

[hot marlin]

We all miss a word here and there.

[cerulean monolith]

It’s still slavery. Doesn’t matter if there’s well-treated, the dragons are sapient creatures forced to serve

[reef tundra]

I should resurrect the Githyanki in my setting. I miss them

[inner silo]

Oh shoot. Did she also take part in BG3 SPOILER: ||Imprisoning Orpheus||?

[hot marlin]

Yes. Though bear in mind that this is lore invented for BG3.

And it can be argued not to fit Githyanki lore too well.

[inner silo]

Well it's still better then how others treat them

[jolly agate]

Now we are all aware and conscious of the problem of dragon slavery, damn i like this server

[reef tundra]

I did think that. It completely took me by surprise when I came across it

[inner silo]

Oh oki

[cerulean monolith]

(Which is canon, but wasn’t in mind when the more well-established lore was written)

[hot marlin]

Yes. Though contrary to american-style slavery, the slaves are paid and eventually released. Which makes it... Slightly better? Not very meaningfully so.

[reef tundra]

Was ||Orpheus|| himself also made for BG3?

[cerulean monolith]

No

[jolly agate]

What's cooler, a dragon or a fully amored war boar?

[hot marlin]

Yes.

[jolly agate]

As a mount

[inner silo]

The boar is less likely to eat you

[jolly agate]

Plus looks badass

[hot marlin]

I never understood the appeal of mounting a dragon. Isn't a dragon rider simply a hindrance to the dragon? What can you contribute?

Like, maybe if the dragon rider is a wizard, but if not? Why bother?

[inner silo]

Plus customisable armour

[jolly agate]

Answer the question mate, dragon or warboar?

[hot marlin]

Dragon.

[inner silo]

Maybe like an arcane archer? Or if the dragon has bad vision or some other hindsrance

[past blaze]

A Dragon Rider benefits mostly the rider. However you can also get the dragon rider shooting stuff. Wasn't it often Githyanki depicted riding dragons, and often being the "Spellsword" type so they could throw spells in addition to the dragon... dragon-ing?

[jolly agate]

-1 approval

[lyric viper]

Dragon Riders should really be seen like the Dragon's familiar. Or in the rare cases, oppressor and captor.

[hot marlin]

Oh yeah that works. But a dragon rider with a melee weapon in their hand would be ridiculous.

[jolly agate]

Nobody appreciates warboars😔🙏

[lyric viper]

Gimme a wargoat. Scale that castlewall.

[inner silo]

Yeah, unless the weapon is like an extremely comically long lance

[hoary totem]

For some reason my custom setting has a chromatic dragon lobotomy field created by Bahamut

[lyric viper]

Dragonlance has entered the chat.

[jolly agate]

Ride a Dragon or ride a Gigant space hamster?

[hot marlin]

It better be magical to offset that balance.

[inner silo]

Giant space hampster is probably better at fighting evil

[crystal nest]

Ride a Giant Space Hamster that has the blood of dragons in it

[jolly agate]

Ye, And cuter

[cerulean monolith]

It’s most useful as a siege weapon. Dragon needs to fly about while its breath weapon recharges. If the attack just lets up, that gives the defenders time to recover or prepare for the next attack. Thus, the rider, present to keep up the pressure with ranged attacks.

[hot marlin]

Fun fact: I once played a wizard whose raven familiar once refused to do a dangerous thing unless I promised to enlarge him, sit on his shoulder and pretend to be his familiar

[inner silo]

Also very intelligent

[jovial badger]

LOVE the roleplay!

[inner silo]

This is peak tbh

[jolly agate]

plus, It's scarier. I feel like I'd be more terrified running from a giant hamster with almost infinite stamina to a dragon.

[jovial badger]

I feel like you'd be a tad bit more terrified running from a dragon

[hot marlin]

OK so we are in agreement that a dragon rider with a melee weapon and no spells is a stupid idea, right?

[jovial badger]

Ever played minecraft?

[hot marlin]

Nope

[cerulean monolith]

Realistically, a small army of Clerics would probably be ideal dragon riders. Healing the dragon’s wounds and tossing Guiding Bolts at ground forces, while keeping Spirit Guardians prepared to nuke any another flying combatants

[jolly agate]

And what if it's a comically long spear?

[cerulean monolith]

Oh, yeah 100%. Unless it’s a magic comically large weapon

[hot reef]

Then it’s comically impractical to use

[hot marlin]

I would allow the comically large spear only on the condition that its magic enchantment is explicitely said to compensate for the weapon's poor balance.

[inner silo]

Ngl this is actually peak

[cerulean monolith]

On the gith, though, they’re usually depicted either as spellcasters, or they dismount their dragons.

[jolly agate]

Ye

[cerulean monolith]

Which makes the dragons less mounts and moreso glorified trains

[inner silo]

Are there also elite gyth monks in cannon?

[lyric viper]

Again pointing out there is a setting dedicated to these lances

[hot marlin]

The githyanki dragon-riders are normally gish, so that's okay

[cerulean monolith]

C- for spelling, but yea

[hot marlin]

A setting about dragons and lances? That's a strange idea!

[inner silo]

Okay thanks!

[jovial badger]

Oh. Spears and lances.

[cerulean monolith]

If you want to play in it, you should buy a board game.

Dragon jousting would be cool. Impractical and unnecessary, but cool.

[hot marlin]

Oh and in case you don't know: The term gish first referred to a specific elite caste of githyanki warrior-wizards. Later the term became used by the community to mean any build that mixes melee fighting and arcane spellcasting.

[glass granite]

-# B-but how to train your dragon

[mighty wharf]

I'd imagine you'd need Monster Hunter size lances to joust with dragons

If not bigger

[crystal nest]

You just need giant birds to Joust

IYKYK

[inner silo]

Do you think swords bards would get weapon masteries?

[limber trail]

Valor Bards, which generally fill the role that swords bards did in 2014, do not

[inner silo]

The ranger subclass exists for a reason

[inner silo]

They didn't get a fighting style which swords bards did but you're probably right

[limber trail]

That's probably fair but either way, generally, most of the "Turn this spellcaster into a martial caster!" subclasses generally don't give masteries either way

that's a pattern consistent with bladesingers, and sort of warlocks too (via PotB)

[inner silo]

I guess that makes a 1 level paladin/fighter dip the more appealing

[limber trail]

it does

(or rogue)

[cerulean monolith]

The purpose of weapon masteries is to give martials, who did not generally apply extra effects from turn-to-turn, the ability to just that. Thus, they are not necessary for classes that already have that capability via spells

[inner silo]

That too. A swashbuckler swords bard sounds like a badass pirate

[limber trail]

yarr.

[inner silo]

How decent is two weapon fighting without the nick mastery?

[limber trail]

It's fine

bards might be doing a fair bit with their BA though

[inner silo]

I see

Then dueling would be better?

[limber trail]

I would give them the choice of whatever fighting style they want

maybe limit it a bit but either is fine

[inner silo]

Most other fighting styles except archery wouldn't be too great on a swords bard no? Since they only get scimitar proficiency

Or could you make a great sword bard?

@limber trail do you think giving a swords bard proficiency in rapiers for free would break them?

[knotty pasture]

Did someone also get DM'd about doing a survey on AI by any chance

[glass granite]

Not me

[inner silo]

How much strength do you need to make grappling viable if you have expertise in athletics?

I'm thinking of making a grappling swords bard to shove my enemies into cloud of daggers while stabbing them to death

[feral fulcrum]

If you want to be grapple focused, you probably want max strength.

Because more is always better, and the more you have the more consistent you'll be.

[inner silo]

Okay, thanks!

[echo meteor]

how important are the 5 factions?
Harpers, Order of the Gauntlet, Emerald Enclave, Lords' Alliance, Zhentarim

[past blaze]

Something like this is table dependent. For a Forgotten Realms campaign where those factions are written in to be and in a game the DM uses them, they can be incredibly important.

Or they can be entirely nonexistent.
Genuinely speaking it's a complete wild guess.

[echo meteor]

it just feels like another thing to keep track of as a dm

[past blaze]

Everything is, the key is to try and make the puppets look lively enough

[woven flint]

Honestly, out of them, I feel the Zhentarim are the most involved in most modules that particularly deal with Waterdeep, Baulders Gate and a few others, though, they're not the biggest players in the realms, I don't believe

Anyone involved with the Lord's Alliance could also potentially be important as I know it's got a lot to do with nobility

[vale sage]

I need to brush up on baulders gate lore, (and play the game), I assume they appear in modules

[teal crane]

hello guys'

[woven flint]

I've seen the Zhentarim involved a lot more than most factions, tbh

Even outside of official modules, people seem to love adding them to their campaigns! Lol

[carmine mulch]

hi

[tame estuary]

bg3 is sort of almost at the end of the timeline before the reboot

[woven flint]

It's funny to me because the Zhentarim was formed by a deranged wizard individual who cloned himself and had a war with his clones

[humble gorge]

Need sages advice. What is the rules for mixing 2014 and 2024 rulesets?

[reef copper]

How common would you say it is to run modules instead of a own campaign?

[tame estuary]

so bg3 would mention stuff in decent into avernus, but not the other way around

[idle flame]

ello ppl

[vale sage]

That’s true, campaign I’ve been in is future themed so I haven’t ran (probs won’t) run into any of the factions.
I should probs see about playing a "normal" dnd setting campaign as opposed to teehee funny robot

[woven flint]

I see both equally, honestly, I think running a moduel and running a homebrew campaign are both perfectly valid and fun options

[crystal nest]

The Zhentarim's attempts at PR are going quite nicely.

Tis a trait in the current era

[idle flame]

ello?

[tame estuary]

though there's some missions in the adventures in faerun book with the characters but I'm pretty sure they're incompatible with bg3 canon

[crystal nest]

It's almost like FR canon is not as solid as it appears

[woven flint]

The Zhents are
Something
They're split in a few ways inner faction wise
They've had a few Patron Deities (Bane and Cyric for example) and they're just kinda.. popular for some reason
I don't know what's so fascinating about them even after reading in depth about them, but I still like them

[halcyon forum]

Zhents are both Fantasy Mafia and mercs for hire. They are very easy to include

[reef copper]

I see, i have basically only touched the start of sthrad in my first decade playing. So im curious about how others than the people i have played with do. And what do they do when the module ends?

[crystal nest]

The Zhents have big Yakuza energy. Both IRL and Sega video game Yakuza.

[woven flint]

Manshoon is probably the most intriguing thing about the Zhentarim

[crystal nest]

Ah yes, Manshoon, the wild card in Zhent sectarianism

[woven flint]

Brother cloned himself and had a war with himself and it's great, honestly

Crazy ass wizard with a metal hand

Guess he rules with an Iron Fist, aye?

[crystal nest]

Only the Zhents loyal to him would say that, but I gotchu

[halcyon forum]

The thing with all their weird backstory stuff is that non of it really matters to the day to day activities, so a module doesn’t have to deal with all that to include them, but it makes them unique enough to be interesting if you focus on zhents specifically

[woven flint]

The Zhents who pledge their alligance to Manshoon ... are... individuals for certain..

[crystal nest]

& then there's the INSANE Zhent split in Waterdeep

There's a reason I prefer one season over the rest, lol

[woven flint]

The waterdeep party I'm in has worked for the "Good" parts of the Zhentarim and when we encountered the "Bad" Zhents, it was kinda awkward because we're like "Hold on, aren't we on the same side?" And they were honestly just as confused for a bit until we told them who we worked with in the Zhentarim

Only one member of the party is actually a PART of the Zhentarim but they've never asked the party to do anything too horrendous

[crystal nest]

My lips are sealed unless we go to #1029833015423143957 . I know too much

[inner silo]

Can you wield a weapon in two hands while grappling?

[woven flint]

It was funny

We're aware who they work for now, but we managed to "sequence break" the campaign a bit by getting a certain item earlier than intended (it wasn't that big of a deal for our dm though)

[woven flint]

You only use two hands to attack with the weapon, but, you'd have to swap to a one-handed weapon if you wanted to attack them while grappling them, I believe

[past blaze]

Yeah, you'd need some method of grappling without occupying one of at least two hands you need to wield a two-handed weapon, which is what I assume the case would be. Otherwise versatile or other non-2h weapons work fine.

[feral fulcrum]

Grappling typically occupies one hand, so, probably not.

[inner silo]

Alrighty. Then a longsword/warhammer/battleaxe are the best grappling weapons?

[feral fulcrum]

Whatever you want to use and occupies one hand at most is fine.

[past blaze]

A whopping d8 in a single hand? Yep.
Topple would also be real good, and Sap is fine. Warhammer's Push though, I don't think so.

[limber trail]

I’ve done a lot with Warhammer’s push mastery and it’s pretty useful but…. Yeah…. Maybe not for grappling

[limber trail]

That was a funny sequence

[inner silo]

Thanks for the help!

[past blaze]

Sequence breaks can sometimes be fun. Like "Let's go conquer the BBEG island first" on the list of "party member end goals".

[tall forge]

My party almost went to tpk island

[limber trail]

This wasn’t too bad of a sequence break. An NPC was meant to escape with an item that we ended up managing to stop

[tall forge]

Where a paladin vampire exists strong enough to kill all of them quite easily

[inner silo]

Would a swords bard with a 1 level fighter dip be an effective grappler since they can get athlerics expertise, or is it better to just grab the skill expert feat on fighter level 4?

[limber trail]

We jumped a couple sessions forward really

[tall forge]

That would not be a fun sequence break 😔

[tall forge]

I dont think you get grappling expertise like that

Unless 2024 changed something

[inner silo]

I meant athletics

[tall forge]

Ahh, depends then

Wouldnt be bad, just a little MAD

But a grapple bard was always going to be a little

[past blaze]

Yeah, '24 grappling is now save based. Which helps for consistency, so you don't suffer bad luck on flubbing your own roll or whatever. But it's no longer increased by being good at a skill.
In '14 though you could get a rogue with expertise and reliable talent going crazy on way high results on grapple contests.

[inner silo]

Well it's 3 stats since you get heavy armour. So like a regular paladin

[tall forge]

2024 you can do more with grapple iirc

[sharp cosmos]

dungon dregon's is peak🔥

[limber trail]

it is, but it's a little awkward nonetheless

I'd just go full fighter

[tall forge]

Bard doesn’t give that much worth lowering level progression

But i think they were bard first

[marble lion]

Fighter dip

[tall forge]

In which, fighter lvl 1 is better if you want the heavy armor

[inner silo]

I thought bard could be fun for getting stuff like enlarge/reduce or enhance ability for even better grapples or casting cloud of daggers and holding your enemy in it

[limber trail]

fair enough

I would in that case solely go for bard

[inner silo]

And grab heavily armoured at level 4?

[limber trail]

I think it's not necessarily always worth it to multiclass

[tall forge]

Getting that extra fighting style is pretty nice

[limber trail]

I mean you can. You're a swords bard right? Just use medium armour, it should be a decent enough AC with a fine dex.

[tall forge]

I say both are pretty valid

Just decide which is better to lose, fighting style or 1 spell casting level

[inner silo]

Then I'd need to have 4 decent stats or dump con. Or dump strength to 10 and rely on skill expertise mainly for the grappling

[limber trail]

2 good stats and 2 fine stats is decently achievable in rolled stats - I do agree that I'd be a bit cautious with point buy

[inner silo]

Alrighty, I'll try rolled then. But if i roll badly I'll need to play a different character

Or just go the 1 level fighter dip route

[limber trail]

I would ask your DM how they're doing character creation

generally rolled vs point buy is rarely up to you as the player

[inner silo]

In our last campaign they allowed either

[sharp island]

Hey guys

[inner silo]

Hi!

Okay. I've decided taking a level dip into fighter would probably fit my character better. @limber trail thanks a lot for the help!

[sharp island]

Im still working on my charcter

[tall forge]

Allowing either is valid but risky lmao

[inner silo]

The campaign was more rp focused and the combat was pretty easy so it didn't matter too much. But after some feedback i think the next one will have a bit more difficult combat

[inner silo]

Nice! What's the character, if i may ask?

[sharp island]

A tiefling!
I can show the progress on #character-discussion

[frail burrow]

D&D seems so intimidating to get into

[marble lion]

True

[past blaze]

It can at first, but also be exciting. Head to #dnd-newcomers and reponses there will be in the full context of onboarding. Happy dungeoneering!

[marble lion]

Youre roleplaying makebelief with people
That is very intimidating

[frail burrow]

I just got my first dice 2 days ago

[past blaze]

it begins

[frail burrow]

Still waiting to get some ppl together

I got the critical role caleb widogast dice

[marble lion]

Love caleb

[frail burrow]

Though the package it came in smells like.....

Let's just say it smells "fishy"

[marble lion]

Like fish?

[frail burrow]

Yeah or something fish like, it's the leather bag

[marble lion]

Maybe its a cat joke or maybe something is wrong here

[frail burrow]

The cat is what came to mind but no I'm not joking

[marble lion]

I feel like noone would ever make a product smell like fish though, even if the joke was good

[marble lion]

I wasnt joking either, genuinely wondering if its meant to smell like that and why

[frail burrow]

I don't think it is

[marble lion]

Good luck with that

[frail burrow]

Good luck w what I don't think there's anything I can do about it 😭

Though I am salty about sm else

They don't sell the jester dice on the U.S store

[still plover]

Perhaps airing it out would help. Hang it in a safe place where it can catch the outside air.

[balmy heron]

Just tried the Hellfire Club campaign, was worth the 50.

[potent finch]

question, can I make an in-person lfp?

[minor cargo]

You can! But given this is a really big, international server, it might be a bit tough to make sure the right people see it. 🤞🏾

[obtuse lion]

heyoo every one

[potent finch]

Hello there

[obtuse lion]

how are ya?

[undone rain]

Do wish cleric would be good for multiclassing with paladin but since their stat priotities are so different it wont work

I mean it works but not the greatest idea so

[potent finch]

I'm good, watching videos and wishing I had a group XD

[cosmic roost]

Ready to play Dungeons & Dragons?

Visit #find-a-game for everything you need to start your search, including:

• Instructions for finding a game here on the server (including how to post in our #looking-for channels).
• Suggestions for finding a game outside of this server.
• Basic advice to help you in your hunt.

[glad arch]

Paladin is already MAD, dont add high wisdom to the list

[eager marsh]

Paladin and Cleric features both prefer mono classing anyways.

[potent finch]

Follow up question, can I make a post in another language?

[idle oar]

No - posts on the server must be in English (but you can say you play in another language)

Also posts must be for D&D games. This means players can join and play using characters from the free D&D rules or from official D&D books/sources.

[hoary totem]

Cleric domains be like

Play Twilight if you want to be a supporter and are a little edgy.
Play Grave if you want a mix of support and offense and are a bit edgier.
Play Death if you want BIG DAMAGE and want to be the edgiest cleric out there.

[sharp island]

Hey guys

[hoary totem]

Howdy

[knotty vine]

I think cleric is the class with the most subclasses

[sharp island]

How are things?

[eager marsh]

Cleric first wizard second. It’s more cleric propaganda

[buoyant oar]

Cleric is the class with the most subclasses. If you count the old plane shift booklets produced by WOTC. Cleric 2014 has 18 subclasses

[knotty vine]

Guess it’s easy to make cleric subclasses

[buoyant oar]

A Cleric Subclass and a new Elf Subrace was the go to, to add a little bit of content in the Crawford days.

[knotty vine]

I’m gonna miss 2014

[buoyant oar]

It's not going anywhere

[knotty vine]

I mean it getting new content

[buoyant oar]

The only advice for people playing 2014 is if you have not already secure yourself a physical copy of those books.

Because nobody can convince me that they're going to keep reprinting that book forever.

I know my local game store has stopped ordering any non-adventure black spines.

[analog cloud]

guys question about discord, how to hide the texts?

[knotty vine]

Wdym?

[buoyant oar]

Like spoiler?

|| <- put message you want to hide in-between these -> ||

[knotty vine]

||it’s not nice to talk about someone who’s watching||

[analog cloud]

ty

[feral fulcrum]

Given Planeshift was not really Official (made by WOTC guy, but it was like a personal side project that got published IIRC), one probably shouldn't count it

[feral fulcrum]

They Really like making Elves.

[tall forge]

Mmmm not enough elves

Twenty more elves for the records!

[feral fulcrum]

High Elf, Wood Elf, Shadar'kai, Eladrin, Drow, Astral, a half dozen UA Elves that never made the cut, and Githyanki and Githzerai are Discount Psionic Elves.

[placid owl]

Hi hi

[stoic haven]

Mornin

[feral fulcrum]

Elves of the Coast

[placid owl]

Ok that’s enough social interaction for one day

[tall forge]

The gith are different enough

[tall forge]

Thats so real

Blehh i dont wanna make a monster statblock…

[knotty vine]

The gith?!

[buoyant oar]

They were elves once

[tall forge]

They were technically elves originally

But something something illithid experimentation

[buoyant oar]

Cowards will make 20 Elven sub braces but won't actually commit to making human sub-races give me the varying differences between the Illuksan and the Mulani

[tall forge]

Tbf

[exotic sinew]

Can you still be variant human in 2024 rules?

[tall forge]

Humans are the weirdest in the Forgotten Realms setting

[knotty vine]

explodes you

[tall forge]

You can but its up to the dm

[slate crown]

Guys I'm having an absolute brainfart right now. I've forgotten how to calculate hp when levelling up 😭🙏

[buoyant oar]

Humans being one of the oldest races on the planet in the Forgotten Realms is one of my favorite details

[hoary totem]

Eh I like the customisability of the free feats

[tall forge]

Roll hit dice + con mod

[knotty vine]

Nothing wrong with it

[tall forge]

Plus regular 2024 human is just kinda better

[exotic sinew]

Ouchy 😫

[tall forge]

Less feat choice, but you get great choices still

And the free heroic inspiration a day….

[slate crown]

Yeah I get that bit, what Im brain farting about is do I use my level 2 hit dice or level 3 hit dice? Context I'm going from Lvl2 to Lvl3

[tall forge]

…. Huh?

Your class’s hit dice

[silk hare]

they are the same

[buoyant oar]

Then of course that's that whole bit where humans from the Forgotten Realms in the ancient past went to other planets posed as Gods and stole people from Earth.

[tall forge]

If your a wizard, its a d6

[silk hare]

not the number, but 1 of the dice

[tall forge]

If youre a fighter, d10

[slate crown]

My hit dice says 2d8 for lvl 2 but changes to 3d8 when I choose lvl 3 on beyond

[silk hare]

1d8 then

[tall forge]

Yea, thats how many hit dice you have for short rests

But your class hit die are a d8

[slate crown]

thanks was confusing me, not long awake lol

[silk hare]

+con mod

[tall forge]

They also have no god

[exotic sinew]

I was more asking for the skill improvement over the heroic inspiration cause from looking that’s the only difference I see unless I am wrong

[tall forge]

Wdym skill improvement

[buoyant oar]

That's right! Humans are so awesome in the Forgotten Realms. They have no patron deity and they have a long and storied history of actually killing them

[stoic haven]

How is everyone doing

[tall forge]

If you mean skillfull human trait, thats like, base human. All humans have that

[mighty raven]

Hello

[tall forge]

Theyre creatures of chaos, eldritch in nature

Or just monkeys that decided to slay gods

[buoyant oar]

I'm just evangelizing the glories of the great Imaskari empire. An empire that was thousands of years old and already dominated half the world when netheril first took flight

[tall forge]

No inbetween really

[exotic sinew]

Okay variant human

• Ability Score Increase. Two different ability scores of your choice increase by 1.
  Skills. You gain proficiency in one skill of your choice.
  Feat. You gain one feat of your

2024 human

• Resourceful. You gain Heroic Inspiration whenever you finish a Long Rest.
  Skillful. You gain proficiency in one skill of your choice.
  Versatile. You gain an Origin feat of your choice (see chapter 5). Skilled is recommended.

What I mean is changing the heroic inspiration with the ability score increase thing idk 🤷‍♂️ it seems like a reasonable thing to allow in RAW 2024 but not sure if it would be

Like that’s the only difference

[tall forge]

Ability scores in 2024 are given by backgrounds

But generally you do +2 and +1

If you choose 2014, you get rid of that to instead get +1 and +1

[knotty vine]

Falling

[exotic sinew]

My brain no comprehend I will forget about that and think about other things

I am just trying to throw around things in my head for a new character I can play in my off weeks

I am sorry

[tall forge]

Tldr

Variant human gives you two +1 increases

2024 human gives you nothing, but you get stats from other places(a plus 2 and a plus 1)

[buoyant oar]

I don't have a whole lot of time to think about the rules of the game. As a dungeon master. So that's why I've just treated 2024 like a new edition of the game and just don't allow anybody to use books made before the players handbook. It's been a lot easier on my little brain.

[tall forge]

By picking variant human you lose a stat point

Instead, you get a higher selection of feats

If you pick 2024 human, you only get an Origin feat (there are 10) but they are also some of the most reliable feats in the game

[exotic sinew]

Ohh okay so 2024 human is just better lol okay

[tall forge]

Plus some new bonuses to bad feats (alert is so cool….)

[stoic haven]

Yall wanna know something weird.
I'm playing in a game with a Barbarian, and the player is about to start running a campaign which I thought I would be a part of. Anyways, he comes and tells me last night that he doesnt want my character to be power gamed, and one of the examples he put was ability scores in my main stat

[exotic sinew]

Well that’s mean. What if someone wanted to play as a satyr 🥺

[buoyant oar]

That's not a species that's allowed in my games even if it were playing 2014

[tall forge]

A valid decision but a sad one

[exotic sinew]

Really what’s wrong with goats

[tall forge]

Wild

Would just not join ngl

I want my character to be built to be good at the thing theyre supposed to be good at

If its fighting, its fighting

[buoyant oar]

Yeah something nothing's wrong with him. It is that I play within the Forgotten Realms. Part that includes some species being available over others.

[tall forge]

Even in homebrew settings, putting exotic races into your campaign makes it strange

[exotic sinew]

FR has Satyrs in it now I am confused

[tall forge]

If theyre a satyr, now we gotta deal with the feywilds. Maybe i dont want to do that

[exotic sinew]

Just cause they originate in the FeyWilds doesn’t mean you have to go there

[tall forge]

As a dm i try and make every characters backstory important