dnd-discussion

[faint thicket]

It's important for the setting

[stark maple]

or she sends you to a demi plane with no exit ig maze

[marble lion]

Doesnt matter. Too small

[naive cedar]

What is NTRing

[umbral girder]

Well the helm situation was more like
Mystra: “The universe is actively dying, I need to get back to the Weave now!”
Helm: “too bad”
kills her

[burnt valley]

oh you sweet summer child

[tall forge]

Youll know when you’re older

[faint thicket]

He literally gave tyr's wife tyr's letter and she fell for him. Helm didn't intentionally do it

[stark maple]

what they said

[naive cedar]

What? What is it

[marble lion]

Infidelity

[faint thicket]

Shouldn't have tried to kill helm

[umbral girder]

Can’t say on this server due to rules.

[naive cedar]

I don’t know TikTok slang

[tawdry sentinel]

If she's bigger it depends on if you're still saying you can squeeze through a 15x15.

[stark maple]

cheating its cheating

[tall forge]

Its not tiktok slang lmao

[marble lion]

Its the worst kind of cheating on a partner

[stark maple]

thats the most we can say

[umbral girder]

It’s an old adult term

[naive cedar]

Alright I’m moving on right now

[faint thicket]

Helm loves his late wife and only accidentally seduces maidens

[umbral girder]

The universe was actively collapsing so she was kinda desperate. But yeah she shouldn’t have.

[naive cedar]

Anyways Mystra said “let me speak to the manager” and Helm said “I AM the manager”

[stark maple]

Lady of pain grant me power

[umbral girder]

It is actually neat to read novels that happened during the Time of Troubles

[tall forge]

Sends you to the maze

[faint thicket]

And then Mystra pulled out a Glock and said "parry this you filthy casual" and then helm parried it

[stark maple]

i still wonder if the lady is almost on equal power to AO why doesnt she just kill other gods

[umbral girder]

She does. If they get close.

[burnt valley]

We need to have fan AMV's/edits of Helm or agenda posting about him

[tall forge]

Shes usually content to just bar them entry to her city

[stark maple]

no she doesnt "kill" them she merely stops them from entering Sigal

[faint thicket]

True

[umbral girder]

I think AO, Asmodeus, and the Lady are part of the same species of “beings older than the Multiverse”

[vale sage]

Hi everyone

[tall forge]

She seems to only care about sigal, nothing else

[steel moth]

to be fair at that moment Ao demoted all the gods because they are incompetent (including mystra)

and out of everyone Ao chose Helm to be the arbiter further cements his goatness

[umbral girder]

Aoskar and Vecna would beg to differ

[stark maple]

her and Sigal are one

[naive cedar]

And then Mystra said “my uncle works for Bungie!!!” And Helm said “I am Bungie”

[stark maple]

thats cause they threatened Sigal

[umbral girder]

Also all the other hundred god corpses in the Astral Sea

[stark maple]

after all the lady of pain and Sigal are 1

[hot marlin]

More like she attacked the employee when he said "I will not summon the manager for you, get out"

[faint thicket]

Ao is an over god and only has influence in his sphere, the other two are a species known as the ancient brethren

[tall forge]

Its also not like she hasnt almost lost before

[stark maple]

if you destory sigal she will most likely disappear as well

[naive cedar]

Typical Karen behaviour

[hot marlin]

That's what we forget: Helm killed Mystra in self-defence.

[naive cedar]

Yet another reason Mystra sucks

[hot marlin]

Admittedly it was stupid to pick a fight with the god whose entire thing is "I guard stuff" when he's guarding stuff. You don't shoot Batman in his bat-logo

[valid geyser]

I always liked the idea that ao is like a divine contract between all the gods that just gained sentience

[hot marlin]

Yeah well, she's dead

[stark maple]

the lady hasnt lost a fight through

[burnt valley]

all incarnations of Mystra suck

[tall forge]

Almost did once

[naive cedar]

The new one sucks too

[tall forge]

I dont think AO has almost lost ever

[faint thicket]

Midnight > Mystryl > Mystra

[burnt valley]

He has multitude of Ls

[stark maple]

that was a stalemate not really a "almost

[burnt valley]

True

[tall forge]

Does he?

[stark maple]

there are other over gods AO is just the only named one

[tall forge]

Didn’t know that

[faint thicket]

Actually the Serpent is stated to be one

[stark maple]

dang i almost forgot about them

[valid geyser]

Dendar? I don’t remember that being the case

[steel moth]

I am not sure if IO counts as an overgod like AO

[hot marlin]

In order of the stick there's a concept called "the domain agreement", basically it's the series of rules that bind the gods. One of those being that "even if Thor, god of storms, causes a storm, a cleric of Hel is still allowed to cast control weather and stop that storm." Of course Thor has the power to declare that storm beyond clerical magic, but then Hel could, in response, declare that a pandemic is beyond any form of healing. And after billions die, Thor would still be the one punished for breaking the agreement first.

[faint thicket]

No Vecna's personal god

[stark maple]

nah in 3e hes only greater

[hot marlin]

The term overgod has been used to mention him.

[stark maple]

he did makes "dnd" as we know it

[naive cedar]

Order of the stick reference

[stark maple]

a few times but hes only greater tho

granted IO isnt really active anymore

[faint thicket]

DND lore and being needlessly complicated

[marble lion]

Who is io

[naive cedar]

You think this is bad, try Star Trek lore

[valid geyser]

"living checks and balances so gods dont go to war with each other" is a way cooler concept than "gods are strong, but this one is really REALLY strong!" imho

[hot marlin]

Admittedly, overgod does not mean "ruler-god of a given crystal sphere", it means being above other gods, having a portfolio and divine power that relate to control of other gods

[marble lion]

Isnt io the dragon god

[faint thicket]

Yeah

[steel moth]

Asgorath aka dad of tiamat and bahamut

[naive cedar]

There’s a few dragon gods

[marble lion]

I never heard him described as anything close to ao

[tall forge]

Welp i just learned about the luminous being

[stark maple]

Io (also known as Asgorath) is the supreme creator deity of dragonkind in Dungeons & Dragons,

[faint thicket]

Threw a comet at the realms too

[tall forge]

Forgotten realms lore is huge smh

[faint thicket]

Barely canon tbh

[steel moth]

an ice moon specifically

[stark maple]

he was named in 2e and 3e

[hot marlin]

Fun fact: The luminous being is not a god. He's a human commoner. He's Ao's boyfriend. Ao calls him "master" because they have a... Thing.

[tall forge]

Gasp

[naive cedar]

Wait do you mean boyfriend figuratively or like

[urban bolt]

Is it true alot of people believe the rules for underwater based combat are lacking?

[tall forge]

They were roommates

[burnt valley]

may Karsus help us all

[stark maple]

they were roommates

[naive cedar]

Oh my god

[stark maple]

what is it with GODS and dating mortals

[faint thicket]

I know

[hot marlin]

It is true some people believe the rules are lacking. Whether they are right, whether that opinion is common, is another matter

[naive cedar]

sprays Mystra with a water bottle

[hot marlin]

No, I mean, like boyfriend. What? Ao is allowed to get lucky

[stark maple]

like do ya damn job

[naive cedar]

I love the forgotten realms dude

[burnt valley]

throws Mystra a brick made from Far Realm energy

[marble lion]

I doubt this is true

[urban bolt]

dumps a bathtub worth of bleach on zeus

[faint thicket]

They are funny because fire resistance from flooding a dungeon is funny, saved my party's life once

[marble lion]

I think someones having a laugh here

[naive cedar]

Valid

[stark maple]

"Ao is allowed to get lucky" im quoting this from now on

[urban bolt]

Very Moon Knight coded sentence

[hot marlin]

I do have to say: What I just said about the Luminous one being Ao's boyfriend is not actual lore. It's just me making fun of the assumption that it's a supergod.

[faint thicket]

Moon knight you say?

[naive cedar]

Idc if it’s true or not it’s still funny

[tawdry sentinel]

You can hold your breath for so long that being choked out by a giant squid would require you to just sit there and do nothing for dozens of rounds.

[stark maple]

same here

[marble lion]

Drowning rules are rough in general

[stark maple]

more lore : Io is believed to have created the multiverse and all dragons in his image. Some legends say Io was split in two to create Tiamat (chromatic) and Bahamut (metallic).

[naive cedar]

Ah my bad. FR lore is so wild it’s not even out of the realms of possibility though

[marble lion]

DnD is not good at representing certain situations involving control

[stark maple]

swallowing rules still pmo

[faint thicket]

Tldr it's a thing, what it is and why it is we have no idea.

[crystal latch]

Are there moon knights on the moon?

[marble lion]

Anyone know that time in critical roll where they put a bat inside a bag and it gets out on nat20s while the hero is holding it closed?

[stark maple]

dhampier knights are on the moon

[faint thicket]

Obviously why is it called the moon than

[naive cedar]

Does moon knight also call Strahd a bloodsucking nerd

[marble lion]

It perfectly represents my frustration with certain dnd rulings

[urban bolt]

It would be kind of neat to have a smaller campaign based around a kraken, but with Wild west type tech, like firearms, more martial based characters, etc.

[stark maple]

are there any undeads that need to breathe in dnd?

[hot marlin]

My actual opinion is that everything related to the time of troubles is a disgrace and a betrayal of Greenwood's vision for the Forgotten Realms that betrays a terrible lack of artistic integrity

[karmic pendant]

He 100% would

[tawdry sentinel]

Yeah actually getting to that point would probably require a bit of homebrew. Having your breath knocked out of you or whatever.

[normal junco]

depends if he owes him money

[naive cedar]

Go off

[naive cedar]

Strahd owes me 50 bucks

[marble lion]

I like the time of troubles a lot but this sounds interesting

[urban bolt]

I have no idea who that is, or what that is, but cool

[naive cedar]

50 bucks AMERICAN too

[stark maple]

i still think Vecna should be a cr 28

[faint thicket]

You mean the spell plague?

[tropic plank]

It’s a time with some trouble Involved, and a wood that is unusually green

[faint thicket]

Vecna was a complete disappointment that it made me learn the real Vecna lore and made me a fan of the old one

[hot marlin]

No. I mean the time of troubles. While the sentence also applies to the spell plague, I find the spell plague to be exactly as stupid as the time of troubles. Well, alright, slightly more. But they both come from the same place

[crystal latch]

There is no 5e Vecna

[naive cedar]

Hey if nothing else it killed Mystra

[burnt valley]

5e Vecna doesn't exist

[tropic plank]

Vecna was all an illusion made to sell Stranger Things merchandise

[faint thicket]

Fair, I just forgot when the time of troubles happened

[naive cedar]

I thought there was a newer vecna module

[stark maple]

yeah he does hes just weak

[faint thicket]

Unironically yes

[stark maple]

its vecna eye of ruin

[urban bolt]

Older versions can be pretty messed up in a good way. I had to hunt down an old magazine for some character creation option or another involving Zuggmoy? Zuccedmoy? The mushroom lady

[faint thicket]

We don't talk about eve of ruin

[tropic plank]

For like five minutes

[naive cedar]

True 😔

[stark maple]

he has a stat block but thats his dossier

[burnt valley]

What are you talking about, there is no statblock

[faint thicket]

Yay it's so cool how much stuff there is

[tropic plank]

I love the Zug

[hot marlin]

The time of troubles is the original sin of the franchise, so to speak. It put the focus on the gods to the detriments of the actual characters. TTRPG settings are about the people living in that world and how you interact with them. Everything about the time of troubles ended up harming the Forgotten Realms. Not only was it poorly written, it was obsessed with the gods to the detriment of the actual focus of the setting: The nations and the histories and the cultures.

[stark maple]

are you messing with me??

[burnt valley]

Unfortunately....

[faint thicket]

It's a meme, it's so bad we refuse to acknowledge it

[stark maple]

The accompanying stat block depicts Vecna in his archlich form prior to Kas’s betrayal. Because Vecna is said to have mastered magic allowing him to travel through time, he can appear in this form even on worlds where his severed hand and eye are already known artifacts.

[naive cedar]

So it’s like the avatar movie

[tropic plank]

Gods should’ve only been for when you need to give your cleric some kind of flavour, not necessarily a massive story element

[stark maple]

its vecna pre godhood

[crystal latch]

It's worse

[stark maple]

but still really disappointing

[burnt valley]

Giving Gods statblocks is pretty based, shows that they can bleed

[hot marlin]

Worse yet: The Time of Troubles had the worst possible use of the gods of that setting.

[crystal latch]

The module uses the same statblock and excuses it as Vecna temporarily losing his god powers

[faint thicket]

Yeah and pre godhood Vecna is scarier than most demon Lords and they used this stat block for eve of ruin

[stark maple]

thats why its so awful

[tropic plank]

So it’s possible to attain a pair of Vecna’s eyes

[faint thicket]

Also I will never forgive eve of ruin for turning Vecna white

[stark maple]

i... suppose..??

[burnt valley]

He is?

[stark maple]

wasnt he always white...?

i mean in 2e he was just a sickly looking old man

[crystal latch]

Vecna was previously described as copper-skinned, they turned him into a Lucius Malfoy clone

[tropic plank]

Could you assemble a small collection of Vecna’s hands and two of his eyes, and craft a second Vecna

[faint thicket]

Nope he's an ur-flan which are dark skinned, with his mother being depicted darker

[stark maple]

oh i see

[faint thicket]

That's his mom

[stark maple]

why did they turn him white..?

[faint thicket]

They forgot most likely

[crystal latch]

But it's not that bad because Vecna barely appears in the module

[stark maple]

love how in 2e he was a demigod

[naive cedar]

Because he’s a lich and bones are white. That’s probably the logic

[stark maple]

omg..

[faint thicket]

Since I couldn't find pre lich Vecna art anywhere

[naive cedar]

Btw whats a good module with Vecna if not the newest one

[hot marlin]

If we really refused to acknowledge things on accounts of how bad they are, we wouldn't mention Eve of Ruin

[stark maple]

i have a few of his old books one notable being Vecna Lives 1990 2e

that shows him looking just like a sickly old man

[faint thicket]

The issue is that none of them would be in 5e

[burnt valley]

I see

[crystal latch]

Eve of Ruin makes Light of Xaryxis look functional by comparison

[naive cedar]

So why is eve of ruin bad

[stark maple]

Vecna reborn 1998 still 2e

[faint thicket]

Good to know

[valid geyser]

it cant be a worse railroad than dragon heist

[stark maple]

then Die Vecna Die 2e

still one of the greatest ive played

[crystal latch]

I'll go over it chapter by chapter because there's a lot

[faint thicket]

It is a series of fetch quests that accidentally time travels you multiple times and Vecna has no speaking lines

[naive cedar]

Spill the tea

[stark maple]

SPOILER
||i hate when kas hide himself with the crown of lies||

[hot marlin]

For me the problem is not the railroading. The problem is... Well to quote someone else:
"46 years ago, Tracy and Laura Hickman wrote an adventure that would change the hobby forever: I6: Ravenloft. A module that tells the tragic story of a memorable antagonist for role-playing games.

A character so memorable that to this day, it still sustains a company ungrateful to its origins.

Strahd von Zarovich was created out of a young man’s frustration at finding a vampire as a random encounter behind a random wall in a random dungeon...
Today, as part of their 50th-aniversary celebration, WotC couldn't think of anything better than to turn Strahd von Zarovich, the dark lord and master of Ravenloft, into a random encounter behind a random wall in a random dungeon."

[faint thicket]

Oh my god you're right

[stark maple]

what is the best 5e adventurer in your opinion

[hot marlin]

This applies to every single part of the fetch quest in Eve of Ruin.

[stark maple]

cant find any candom vampire encounter screw this makes one of the best horror themed books ever

[hot marlin]

Eve of Ruin has no art. It is a visit of the theme park version of the works of people who had actual talent.

[valid geyser]

sounds about right. I just havent read eve of ruin that deeply

[faint thicket]

"Oh look it's the THING, don't you like the THING! Anyways moving on"

[crystal latch]

Tbh, anyone mind if I just post a link to my review of Eve of Ruin? I think I covered all the issues there

[valid geyser]

reminds me of quests from the infinite staircase being based on the infinite staircase book about the death of creativity and originality

[hot marlin]

Basically, Eve of Ruin is the TTRPG equivalent of jiggling keys in front of a toddler

[tropic plank]

It’s like the countless cameos in modern movies, then?

[faint thicket]

I think that would be the most efficient tbh

[hot marlin]

I don't hate it because it's a bad adventure. There are worse adventures. SKT comes to mind. I hate it because it's an evil adventure.

[stark maple]

evil adenture

[hot marlin]

Curse of Strahd or Dungeon of the Mad Mage.

[valid geyser]

itd be really funny if wotc just only publishes adventure anthologies from now on and eve of ruin is gonna be the last sour stain for wotc published adventures

[tropic plank]

Avengers endgame, the DnD adventure

We travel back in time to those things you saw a while ago!

[naive cedar]

I want to play curse of strahd tbh

I love vampires

[crystal latch]

https://formofdread.wordpress.com/2025/02/04/vecna-eve-of-ruin-an-utter-failure/
I wrote this not long after finishing a playthrough of this module, DMed by @faint thicket
Suffice to say that it took a Herculean effort to make this functional and only the homebrew really worked

[hot marlin]

And by "evil" adventure, I mean that I find its writing simply unethical. The act of writing it the way it was written is, to me, a break of artistic ethics. Which is not something I can say about even the worst adventures of 5e

[naive cedar]

The anthologies seem to be decently received so far so that might end up happening lol

[atomic kayak]

Honestly I don't find dragon heist to be that much/bad of a railroad

[stark maple]

i kinda wanna run tomb

[valid geyser]

the one thing I really remembered from my skimming of eve of ruin was conceptopolis making some incredible warforged NPC designs as always

[stark maple]

yall think 3rd party content is broken here wait till you hear about eldrtich godling

[burnt valley]

wait nvm

[hot marlin]

?

Oh, you edited your message?

[valid geyser]

I just remember reading it and thinking "man I hope my party actually wants to run a tavern or else I'll have to take a lot of time to figure something else out for the first couple chapters" and the module going to a lot of trouble to prevent the party from actually heisting the maguffin early

[faint thicket]

"A water elemental and two water weirds live in the 25-foot-deep fountain. These creatures are indifferent toward intruders and attack only in self-defense. Once bound to serve the Waterclock Guild, they’re now free but enjoy the perpetual “rain” here. The cult bullies these Elementals, so they remain sulking under the water’s surface. Determined not to stand for further intrusion, the Elementals rise to attack anyone other than cultists. The water weirds consider the water elemental their leader. If reduced to fewer than 50 hit points, the water elemental retreats to the basin’s bottom with any surviving water weirds."

Riddle me this, are the water elementals indifferent or aggressive

[crystal latch]

My general ranking of modules is

A: CoS, DotMM, OotA, LMOP
B: SKT, IDRotF, TftYP
C: PotA, HotDQ, RoT
D: WbtW, CoA, CRCotN, DSotDQ, Strixhaven
F: LoX, ToFW, VEoR, Radiant Citadel

[burnt valley]

I was asking on what you meant by evil adventure but i didnt realize you already answered it

[tropic plank]

Curse of strahd goes into its own category atp

[stark maple]

thinking about runnin git

[hot marlin]

A... Less angry way of expressing my point is that the characters and settings Eve of Ruin skims over were created to give meaning, story and emotional depth. Now they are used as empty nostalgia props, profiting of their aesthetics while stripping them of everything that made them special. It is corporate content design instead of artistic storytelling. It's not bad design, no. Strictly speaking, the encounter design is well made, the maps are interesting, and the mechanics are fine. It's worse than bad design though. It is cynical and exploitative. It is hollow and insulting to the people who have done meaningful work on those settings and characters. Soulless, corporate, anti-creative and, worst of all, culturally harmful.

[crystal latch]

The encounter design isn't well-made either

[tropic plank]

This is why I chose to avoid pre-made campaigns as a general rule
Unless something is absolutely perfect, I’d prefer a dm to have total creative agency

[hot marlin]

And I mean it when I say "culturally harmful". This sort of design philosophy cannot be allowed to spread.

[crystal latch]

Absolutely, it's the pinnacle of bad writing

[tropic plank]

Don’t insult Morbius like that

[naive cedar]

Morbius was a masterpiece what

[hot marlin]

I honestly don't mind that. Yes, it's bad, but it's like... You know, there's this youtuber who is a...Horrible person. Like, criminal stuff. And that youtuber also has bad takes. And, like, I don't care about them having bad takes on media, I care about the fact that they're harming people. In the same way, yes, Eve of Ruin has poor writing. But I don't care about its poor writing, I care about the fact that this sort of writing philosophy is harmful to the community and the hobby.

[naive cedar]

The guy from Doctor Who dancing changed cinema

[tropic plank]

To be fair the whole nostalgia rush advent already happened on a macro scale, and I believe it’s now on the decline

[naive cedar]

“this YouTuber who is a horrible person”
Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down

[lavish flame]

whats ToFW?

[hot marlin]

There are rules in this server against call-outs and against mentions of the actions of that specific youtuber I was thinking of. And the actual person I was thinking of does not matter to the point

[crystal latch]

Turn of Fortune's Wheel

[lavish flame]

oh from Planescape I seeee

[naive cedar]

True like let’s not pretend that COS isn’t essentially nostalgiabait. Although there’s a difference between using nostalgia to create new art and using it as a soulless cash grab

[still plover]

Indifferent, unless you treat their home as a tourist attraction or make a mess.

[naive cedar]

I was just making a joke about how awful YouTubers are tbh that’s fair

[hexed slate]

Curse of Strahd is nostalgiabait actually done well

[stiff valve]

Why is cos so popular? Never run it but I am curious.

[naive cedar]

Yeah exactly. The issue isn’t “Hey look at this thing you like already!!!” it’s doing that with nothing else

Vampires are cool

[hexed slate]

It's very well done, and gets the setting basically spot on.

[violet cave]

me and my party are playing CoS for the first time (well I am at least) and we've been having a ton of fun

[lavish flame]

cuz CoS is basically just "Here's Barovia (the setting), here's a rough outline of the adventure, here's a compelling villain, let the adventurers run wild"

[hot marlin]

Curse of Strahd I would not call nostalgiabait. I would call it a remake-remaster of I6 Ravenloft. Is it a perfect remake remaster? No, it has flaws. There's a reason I recommend everyone reads "fleshing out Curse of Strahd". But it is superior to I6 Ravenloft.

What characterizes a nostalgiabait is when you make it inferior to the original product and when you rely on the reputation of the original product. Curse of Strahd does none of that

[naive cedar]

That’s fair: my definition of nostalgiabait is using nostalgia to create attention towards something. The problem is that this is often done poorly especially nowadays

[hot marlin]

Curse of Strahd was not marketed towards people who are nostalgic for I6 Ravenloft, it was marketed as a new entrance point to that lore for people unfamiliar with it. There's a reason it is a reboot and not a sequel

[urban bison]

If I’m looking for a group where do I go to post my post?

[hot marlin]

In a way, the writing philosophy of Eve of Ruin is the philosophy of Vecna. Vecna steals the secrets of other people unrelated to him and makes no effort. He takes their lives and their works and turns it into a tool for his ambitions.

[naive cedar]

I’m aware of that. I’m referring to the re-hashing of an old setting with an old beloved villain. Like I said, that’s not necessarily a bad thing

[hot marlin]

So yeah. I find Eve of Ruin evil because, to put it shortly, Vecna could have been the writer of it.

[naive cedar]

So it’s just like the other character that has a mind link to the player character and manipulates them into doing their bidding

[hot marlin]

Vecna doesn't create, he extracts. He treats the lives of other people as tools, strips them of meaning for his ambitions.

Secrets are a commodity to him. For the writing of Eve of Ruin, the works of other creators are a commodity. It's just the same. If he was a writer, that's what he would have written.

[vale sage]

I was meaning my own setting with historical stuff

Like, ww1 creeping artillery and that sorta thing

[hot marlin]

The storytelling equivalent of a tapeworm.

[vale sage]

Imagine this , you and your party are crawling through the trenches trying to survive and a party member gets shot or artillery strikes collapsing the trench on top of them ,do you leave them to their fate or save them at the risk of the entire party dying?

I wna make a war campaign that's horrific

Like, give the players trauma from it in a sense

[hot marlin]

If they're doomed, they're doomed. We'll come back later to collect the corpse and resurrect them. The only question here is my assessment of whether or not a rescue is possible.

[vale sage]

Oh there wouldn't be any resurrection

[still plover]

Wouldn't recommend D&D, the game of heroic fantasy adventure as a base.

[glass granite]

My only thing that might prevent a ww1 game from working is… if it’s even remotely accurate the players are gonna die
Multiple times, over multiple characters, far before the campaign is over.

[vale sage]

Once your dead your gone

Maybe not, all depends on how they operate

[glass granite]

Then how do you determine what artillery hits where?

[vale sage]

It would obviously be fun ,I wouldn't make it a complete slaughter

[vale sage]

Random rolls

But like

It would definitely be horrific, you'd have to use your smarts to not get shot

I also had an idea for a Jurassic Park type thing of the same nature

A super horrfic, realism driven survival horror experience

[still plover]

I suggest Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay. That has cannons and rules for dismemberment!

[glass granite]

It’s incredibly hard not to get hit by artillery (which was the leading cause of death in, say, the Battle of Verdun)

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for this, it sounds SICK

[vale sage]

If I eventually go through with the dinosaurs Id wna make it realistic enough that if you leave meat out your gonna draw predators

[glass granite]

Just has some things that should probably be discussed

[vale sage]

If you eat a random mushroom off the ground you gotta do a d6 saving throw or get the botitnist person to examine it first

If you eat said random mushroom and it's one of the "don't eat me or I'll make you vomit blood" mushrooms your cooked

If you go near a random swamp and you don't observe the area first you might get eaten by a deinosuchus

[hot marlin]

But the real problem is that if you're trying to mimic WW1, it's just not playable. People were dying like flies. It didn't matter if you were a bad or a great soldier, your survival was almost entirely up to luck.

[vale sage]

Specifically id wna make it on an island

Like, think Jurassic Park but with absolutely no people

[wise mica]

Nah, ww1 had it's own module and rule set in pf1e it's totally possible in 5e

[vale sage]

The island is the last strong hold of the dinosaurs and the surrounding family's

[glass granite]

There’s also not to much possible major player agency, unless the player got into a position of command

[wise mica]

Anyway that all sounds totally cool you should write and run the campaign and I hope you have fun doing it! Don't bully people for wanting to try new things 🙂

[hot marlin]

That module does not mimic WW1. It uses WW1 as a prop for over-the-top gonzo action. It doesn't seek to represent the reality of WW1

[valid geyser]

i mean that kind of takes the module way outta context. Like yeah it had a part where you got transported to 1910s russia to fight magic rasputin but its not really as much about ww1 as it is partially being there

[grizzled lance]

Half ork son or ork daughter

[hot marlin]

Consider this: If I wanted to be relatively accurate in mood to WW1, I would spend my time rolling dice to determine if a PC is currently dying of infection, of starvation, of "you just were in a wrong place wrong time, you're dead"

[vale sage]

Imagine you and your team are truding through the jungle and you see a raptor walk up to you out of the brush,not being aggressive or anything but it's curious, it tilts it's head and chirps at you while getting steadily closer ,what do you do?

[hot marlin]

"Your officers are incompetent and ordered an impossible assault. You try retreating, they order a bombing of your own position to punish you for cowardice."

[grizzled lance]

Immune to poison damage

[wise mica]

I kinda want to run The Muppets Take 10 At Normandy now just to prove you wrong

[glass granite]

Am I armed?

[hot marlin]

(Actually a thing that happened)

[vale sage]

Because I'm a massive fan of history and old timey war fare

[vale sage]

Yes but would you hurt a deer for being curious?

[glass granite]

Only if it attacks me

[tropic plank]

Nobody wants to play in horrific tragedy World War One, but WW1? The cool war where you get to do impossible charges and overrun the enemy trench, where it conveniently skips over the diseases and conditions?

[vale sage]

It's no growling or anything but you can tell it's curious

You'd wna treat like a bear

Act big and loud, make yourself seem bigger then you are

[hot marlin]

Miserable doesn't mean bad. Miserable fiction can be a comfort. But in this case, there is simply nothing to do besides have your characters wrestle with the reality that their survival is entirely in the hands of events completely outside of their influence

[tropic plank]

Deer are herbivores, they have no reason to attack me unless I’ve provoked them
Raptors are carnivorous

[vale sage]

Yes but to a raptor your alien

[grizzled lance]

I summon 8 raptors

[wise mica]

As long as I'm not in a trench myself while I'm playing, I would probably love rolling a new character every week in the wargame campaign lmao

[glass granite]

I’d wanna pick a direction (either out or further towards my destination) and GO. If they rush me they die.

[vale sage]

Completely out of its diet and ecosystem

[hot marlin]

I personally like and enjoy misery. I have said multiple times that Berserk is my comfort reading. It can be comforting to delve into those areas of the mind

[vale sage]

It likely wouldn't attack unless it figures out your food

[fierce trellis]

40k

[vale sage]

Now it would be different for something like a deinosuchus

[tropic plank]

I was specifically saying people don’t want to imagine themselves in ww1 for the accuracy

[grizzled lance]

Idk why but I like being hopeful in a hopeless situation

[vale sage]

Their a giant crocodilan, they can and will eat whatever they feel

[indigo stump]

Interesting

[hot marlin]

There are great and powerful works of fiction that are accurate to WW1. All Quiet on the Eastern Front comes to mind.

[hard iris]

Hi guys

[vale sage]

Fun fact actually that was written by a real ww1 veteran and based off his experiences

[glass granite]

Gooood morning afternoon evening!

[hard iris]

I'm new to d&d

[vale sage]

The character Paul is a stand in for him

[glass granite]

Check out #learn-to-play !

[tropic plank]

?
You asked why someone would want to do something in ww1, and I said it was because they don’t want to imagine themselves in the real experience, but a glorified version of the war

[minor cargo]

(If it's relevant, there is a WWI TTRPG called Ross Rifles. It's a PBTA game. It focuses less on the actual violence of the war, and more about the lonliness and struggle of trying to survive while in the trenches. It's a challenging game, especially given one of the pre-written modules is being part of the battle of Ypres - where chlorine gas was first used.)

[indigo stump]

Wow

[tropic plank]

implied meaning

[glass granite]

-# wendigo didn’t even pin you or anything, wdym leave me alone

But anywho

[hushed mason]

Hops in.

[glass granite]

Hallo!

[hushed mason]

I'm probably going to kill off at least one PC next session!

They have their big final boss fight.

[tropic plank]

Oh!
Do they know the stakes?

[minor cargo]

One last non-D&D thing on this topic, and if we wanna talk about it more, we can take it to off-topic. But if WWI is an interesting type of era you'd like to do fiction in, there's also the war game Trench Crusade. This one combines elements of hellish beasts, eldritch magic, zealous faith, and wraps it all in just really gorgeous art. It might be worth checking out if that sounds appealing. ✌️

[tropic plank]

Feels a bit silly to say that, people shouldn’t come into a dnd campaign with combat without expecting even a chance they fudge a dice roll and die

[hot marlin]

Honestly, I never understood people who have trouble killing PCs. If you have a table where the characters are generally uninteresting, what's the harm in killing them? If the characters are interesting, killing one of them shakes things up a bit and creates interesting stories.

[tropic plank]

Myself
I was referring to the previous message i sent

[hushed mason]

I'm a beginner DM. We started the campaign a year ago.

[hot marlin]

After a year, you are no longer a beginner. Kneel and I shall knight you a confirmed DM.

[prime pewter]

Which wizard school works better for hag vibes: necromancy or enchantment?

[hushed mason]

Enchantment.

[still plover]

Enchantment.

[tropic plank]

Only three DM ranks to go before you gain the right to create your own podcast

[hushed mason]

"And people will listen to that?"

[prime pewter]

Seems I chose right then!

[dark pewter]

I'm a big fan of designing alternate ways to end/avoid combats, but I do that to mirror the fact that death is always an option in combat. My most recent session of EoR had the players face the consequences of alerting an entire dungeon to their presence, and they nearly lost their cleric. Everyone went down at least twice

[hot marlin]

In the name of the Hickmans, I charge you to care about your worldbuilding. In the name of Greenwood, I charge you to be extensive and creative. In the name of Arneson, I charge you to create complex problems. Rise LadyIslay, a DM of D&D.

[still plover]

Yeah. You draw swords, there's always a chance someone's not getting up. But not everyone will fight to the death!

[hot marlin]

(Yes this is just Westeros knighting)

[hard iris]

Peoples

[dark pewter]

Unfortunately for them, this is one of the few combats I've ever run where the enemies were explicitly motivated to fight to the death

But they bargained their way out of it in a very clever way, and survived

[tropic plank]

If you have the option to enter combat, you shouldn’t be afraid of dying to a really funny Nat 1

[still plover]

Look, if they didn't want to risk dying they shouldn't have joined a game that uses Hit Points, that's my philosophy.

[tropic plank]

Some people run campaigns that are just running a tavern or guild, in which case I’d say you can be much less ready to die

[still plover]

And I wouldn't use D&D to do that.

[minor cargo]

In my one home game, the players and I often talk about what character death might look like. On one hand, they've been playing their characters for literally years - and they have long and nuanced relationships with each other and NPCs.

So dying, though on the table, is something we want to make sure feels narratively fulfilling.

So when someone is about to die mechanically, we've agreed to hit the pause button and decide if we follow along with the dice or just change the script.

I share this because often times people misconstrue this as "taking away all tension", but IMO this is just having good out of game communication.

[steel moth]

I usually dont think much about it, if they die they die lol

no point in stressing it

[tropic plank]

If you’ve reached level 20 is it even theoretically feasible for you to end up in a situation where death is permanent

[steel moth]

if you are competent pretty much no

[dark pewter]

Absolutely. While the cleric was at two failed death saves, I asked him what deity he'd see before death, and had an emissary of that diety ask him if he was ready to die. He said his cleric would be determined to keep fighting, so he made his next death save at advantage

If he still failed, well... Session 0 sets expectations for a reason

[atomic kayak]

Short answer? Yes

[tropic plank]

True resurrection is really damn busted

As long as whoever can cast it ends the combat alive, and doesn’t take 200 years to cast it, you’re back up

Unfortunate

[steel moth]

with the amount of contigencies you can make, the only real way to perma die at level 20 is dm fiat

[tropic plank]

I’d probably use it to bring back a bunch of random historical figures

[idle oar]

Seems weird to ban something that is so rarely needed and even then can be turned into a whole story arc/campaign on its own (character death can be an amazing plot/story hook)

[hot marlin]

Yes. First off, you can't self resurrect, you need someone else to resurrect you. Secondly, there are quite a few effects that destroy your soul.

[crystal latch]

Only via massive skill issue

[minor cargo]

I think implying that death is the only stake that matters is a really limited way to look at campaigns.

[still plover]

Also true.

[hot marlin]

But again, it is relatively easy to avoid situations where death is permanent. So getting into one of those situations requires spectacularly bad luck

[hushed mason]

Death in 3.5 is more permanent.

[hot marlin]

And yeah, plenty of stakes outside of death. But there's a trick to it.

[hushed mason]

There is no "revivify".

[atomic kayak]

There are a fairly large number of effects and spells in the game that prevent true resurrection from working (including any and all soul trapping)

And ofc, thats assuming true resurrection is even possible in the first place (aka, having a friend [PC or NPC] who can even cast it. Which is far from a given)

[hot marlin]

Stakes outside of death require the characters to feel strongly about the world. And it's not a given with every player

[blissful ibex]

Could always use Contingency to cast Revivify or Raise Dead
would require either a ruby weave gem or a prety gnarly multiclass though

[atomic kayak]

Revivify also is far from a "death isnt scary" mechanic

For one: the DM controls how many viable diamonds there are

[still plover]

Session Zero, set shared expectations. But yeah, your table may vary. Know your audience.

[tropic plank]

A character dying could be absolutely incredible for the story
Warlocks dead? Go to the patron and beg for them back, or fight for them
Druid/monk dead? Find their reincarnation (I think since they’re so connected to nature and spirits)
Etc etc

[minor cargo]

In that, we can agree!

I'm just saying, explicitly, death is not the only "bad outcome". There's a lot of bad stuff that can happen when you lose a fight that don't involve your death.

[atomic kayak]

Or implying that its something that ""needs"" to be solved (via ""skill"" or otherwise)

[tropic plank]

Fighter dead? Nothing to be done, tragic loss.

Losing a limb for a tamer example?

There’s always a prison or dungeon escape, that’s a classic story

[atomic kayak]

Note that steve did specify your death (as in, the PC)

Death of allies, family, etc etc is a very easy way to introduce stakes ""without"" direct threat to the PCs

[tropic plank]

Steve obviously meant as in the death of Nick himself

[atomic kayak]

I dont think so

Unless you didnt mean "Nick" the PC

[still plover]

I remember like my old boss used to say, "a man with a broken kneecap may still have many bones unbroken. Yet."

[steel moth]

Rogue dead? Joyous occasion, hopefully the player picks a better class for their next PC

[tropic plank]

…I was making a joke my fine Swampling

[tropic plank]

They stole the life from someone else to come back

Rogue lich

[atomic kayak]

The great thing about text is that sarcasm doesnt translate. And I would rather you don't act so familiar

[hushed mason]

There's emoticons to help with that.

[blissful ibex]

they pick 2014 monk

[naive cedar]

Any class that isnt Cleric dead? Great; now they can play a cleric!!

[blissful ibex]

Druid > Cleric
c:

[hushed mason]

In 3.5e, it's Druids that get the first "back from the dead" spell.

[naive cedar]

No u

[tropic plank]

All clerics are one bad decision away from becoming a divine warlock

[naive cedar]

Although i dont dislike druid as much as other people

[blissful ibex]

Yup, druid better

[hushed mason]

Sarcasm is difficult to convey via text. That's a fact.

[tropic plank]

I wasn’t being sarcastic to begin with

[blissful ibex]

also tone tags (ie '/j' '/s/' etc.)

[hexed slate]

Clerics are cool, but their spells are kinda lacking

Druids are cool, and their spells aren't kinda lacking

I'm completely unbiased

[tropic plank]

The cleric when I wildshape into an Owlbear and start clubbing an enemy with their friend: they can only cast spirit guardians and heal

[jovial shadow]

Find a Monk's reincarnation?

[tropic plank]

I’d assume since they’re so spiritually attuned, they’d be able to reincarnate
Especially given the beliefs of many monastic orders around the world include reincarnation

[jovial shadow]

Maybe irl, but not in the game

[tropic plank]

I was just thinking of some kind of example, not digging deep into the lore of monks

[still plover]

In D&D, world of magic and real gods? Why not?

[blissful ibex]

druids have problems with having kinda mid late game spells
and clerics are missing a whole lot of the utility options open to druid

[hexed slate]

Conjure fey

[tropic plank]

Druids are just nature domain clerics that took the tree hugging way too far

[feral fulcrum]

I find WIldshaping to fall off too hard to really care about Druids. Everything they can do, Polymorph spells can do better down the line. 🙁

[tropic plank]

You can become an adult dragon for a full hour

[jovial shadow]

Because it's not in any rule book

[blissful ibex]

wildshape doesn't tank your mental stats though
but like seeing it as a combat resource in the first place is where you go wrong; it's for utiltiy, scouting, travel, etc; it's just moon druid that tries to make a martial subclass out of it

[tropic plank]

That’s the glory of roleplaying games, you can make anything you want happen if everyone at the table agrees

[hexed slate]

We do get mirage arcane, conjire fey, antipathy/sympathy and foresight and shape change.

[blissful ibex]

also draconic transformation

[hexed slate]

Have you tried being a badger yet?

[blissful ibex]

10 ft. burrow speed goes hard

[feral fulcrum]

Dragons are not Beasts, and the CR is also too high. Unless you're talking about Shapechange, which is available to Wizards (And can be done by scrolls much sooner if you get lucky enough to find some.)

[steel moth]

wildshaping isnt the one thing druids can do though, their spellist is good

[tropic plank]

Yeah, shape change
It’s technically also accessible for bards

[jovial shadow]

Yes a DM can do whatever they want. We are talking about in the rules, whiich is different

[feral fulcrum]

Everything is technially accesible for Bards, so it's easier to just not mention it.

[hexed slate]

Druid spells are awesome

[tropic plank]

I’m playing a bard and I’m going to take shape change, I wanted to mention it :3

[blissful ibex]

Ceric puts more emphasis on the Combat Pillar while druid splits more into the Exploration Pillar with their spell list and class/sublcass abilities

[tropic plank]

Is there a rule that says you cant reincarnate?

[hot marlin]

Worth noting that this is true but does not mean druids are worse at combat

[jovial shadow]

I've always liked Druids,but I never played them because it was back in AD&D when they had weak spells

[naive cedar]

im a cleric stan but i actually like druids tbh. i think they get unfair hatred

[tropic plank]

There’s also a lessened pressure on a Druid to be the party healer, which adds an amount of strain to playing a cleric

[north hawk]

I've never heard of Druid hate till today.

[hot marlin]

Fun fact: With 2014 monk, you end up immortal with minimal set-up.

Step 1: Astral projection. Step 2: Find your way back to the material plane from the astral. Step 3: Hide and protect your body.

[feral fulcrum]

I'd hardly call it hate. I just find that other classes scratch the proverberial itch better.

[indigo stump]

The healer does most of the work by healing others but doesn't get to fight much tbh

[jovial shadow]

I believe the rules say when you die, you go to one of the outer planes for eternity. At least it says so in the DMG 2024

[hexed slate]

Not really?

Cleric puts more emphasis on class and martial features, druid puts more emphasis on spellcasting.

Most visible by the size of their spell lists.

166 for druid Vs 121 for cleric

So you get about 33% more spell options. (In Tasha's, XGE and PHB in 5e)

[hot marlin]

That is a matter of lore, not rules. And it varies. For example, elves reincarnate.

[indigo stump]

Mine is a elf fighter

[hexed slate]

Party healers are a lie

[jovial shadow]

What rule says that in 2024?

[tropic plank]

Yeah, Lich did bring rules into it when it was a matter of ‘how to use a character death to enhance a story’

[naive cedar]

maybe hate isnt the right word but i often see it listed as a bad class along with ranger

[feral fulcrum]

The Humble gnome with an armful of healing potions. "Am I joke to you?"

[hexed slate]

Yes. You are replaceable by a familiar.

[hot marlin]

Again, not a matter of rules but a matter of lore. When it comes to afterlife, lore trumps rules.

[blissful ibex]

The nature of those spells, and the class features really emphasises the difference in focus; Cleric gets Turn Undead which is an inherently combat related feature while Druid gets Wild Shape which as stated is more utility/travel.

Also cleric having more martial capacity is a big point towards them being more combat focues

[hot marlin]

Or, more accurately, the rule is "refer to the lore". In the way that specific beats general

[indigo stump]

Plus they can't do much damage to anyone

[tropic plank]

I think Druid is seen as a worse version of cleric, similar to how ranger is considered a worse version of rogue
At least, I’ve heard ranger compared to rogue in circles, and I’d assume there are some who’d consider Druid a lesser cleric

[still plover]

Canon is only the beginning of wisdom, not the end. What's in the book is what you know you can get. What's in the game, the (hopefully) living, breathing world we all inhabit together, that's another thing.

I'm not saying you can walk to the moon just by saying it, but maybe if you put the work in, find the right place, know the right secrets... let's see where our story goes.

[hexed slate]

Hence the focus on features over spellcasting.

Wildshape is great for keeping concentration.

[tropic plank]

I’m like really sorry but this reads like a grok tweet

[jovial shadow]

Okay so the DMG says you go to the out planes for eternity when you die. Do you accept that as lore and the truth

[naive cedar]

thats funny because while cleric is commonly considered one of the best classes it seems like rogue is also a target of mockery (mainly because its not as good in combat)

[feral fulcrum]

If Cannon is the beginning of Wisdom, is the impact of the Cannonball Enlightenment?

[blissful ibex]

More like you have characters with the capacity to heal; but generally it's best to burn the enemies out as quickly as possible and heal after seeing as dead things can't deal damage (usually)

[tropic plank]

+1 to wisdom saving throws

[jovial shadow]

Cannon ball enlightment? lol

[hot marlin]

And Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes and a lot of elven lore says elves reincarnate. So which one do we take as granted? Obviously: Specific beats general

[hexed slate]

Funniest use of specific beats general is when it is applied to rule 0.

[vast falcon]

hi

[still plover]

Ouch.

[hot marlin]

Which rule 0?

[jovial shadow]

lol

[hot marlin]

"DM says so"? Or one of the other rules claimed to be "rule 0"?

[north hawk]

I enjoyed the point you were making.

[tropic plank]

At the end of the day, all you need to play dnd is something to roll a random number and people

The rules and lore are all guidelines, most people won’t be upset for a deviation

[blissful ibex]

in combat heals are mostly features like second wind/warrior of the gods/etc.; or emergency uses of healing word or AoE healing spells

[hexed slate]

Druids being secretly better than clerics at healing because of this is very funny

[feral fulcrum]

Looks at Heal

[hexed slate]

Goodberry has honestly always been a crazy spell

[blissful ibex]

Druid and Cleric both have Heal

[crystal latch]

Druid is awesome yeah

[feral fulcrum]

Goodberry doesn't actually worked for downed players.

[hexed slate]

That's not it's use

[north hawk]

I enjoy playing druids and I enjoy clerics. They both obviously accomplish different player fantasies for me.

[tropic plank]

I had to take healing word because the warlock burned the rogue into death saving throws

[jovial shadow]

Goodberry helps if you are still conscious

[hexed slate]

It's one of the very few spells with a longer than 8hr duration

[hot marlin]

Actually it's balanced by the fact that it has some hidden caveats. First off, you can't feed it to someone else. This means that it's useless for downed characters.

Mostly, its only use is to feed you. And it's very strong at that!

[crystal latch]

The thing that makes Goodberry strong is that it's today's healing with yesterday's slots

[blissful ibex]

It's honnestly a really solid spell to just have in general; lets you get someone up or shore them up a bit if they're really low and still get your damaging cantrip or wepaon attack off

[feral fulcrum]

But it is the most common example people tend to use for it being Turbo Good. Lots of people forget that it takes an Action to eat a Goodberry, and downed people can't take actions.

[hot marlin]

Now, of course, of course. Jeremy Crawford said he would allow feeding goodberries to someone else. RAW, he's unarguably wrong.

[hexed slate]

Nah, the feeding part is mostly irrelevant that I've removed it for the rare survival campaign, and it's come up like twice

[feral fulcrum]

Jeremy Crawford says a great many conflicting things.

[tropic plank]

I’m mostly peeved because they did it on purpose and I had to waste a spell slot to fix it

Immediately after my dm said there was a no PvP rule being added

[hexed slate]

The best use is as an investment. You get to make today's spellslots help you tomorrow.

[blissful ibex]

you can burn extra slots for additional healing the next day; it's more to have something to use either between combats or if you have a bonus action you don't really plan on doing anything with

My druidlock really likes having it because she can get a use or two out of her pact slots before a short rest if she's not burn't through them yet

[crystal latch]

99% of the power of Goodberry comes from what could be rephrased as

If you have this spell prepared, for every spell slot that you have not expended immediately before regaining spell slots, you can distribute 10 hit points of healing out of combat between your allies as desired the next day.

[hot marlin]

But notice that he never said "yes you can feed a goodberry to someone else", he said "I would allow it at my table".

[blissful ibex]

It's a bonus action in 2024

[hexed slate]

Yup. Getting 100 extra hp that you can spread throughout your party allows you to go much longer without resting

[feral fulcrum]

And you can't take those either while unconscious.

[tropic plank]

This is why I’m invested in the obvious best spell in the game,

Temple of the Gods

[north hawk]

RAW is stupid as far as feeding Goodberries to someone goes. The mechanics of feeding someone a berry or a potion is the same to me and is a silly nonsensical barrier to put in a game.

[hexed slate]

It also has a really cool effect on the druid playstyle, cause it lets you save more spellslots and take more concentration spells (which druid has an incredible list of)

Cause you can basically never waste spellslots

[hot marlin]

I actually like the fact that you can't feed a goodberry to someone else

[blissful ibex]

yes, but you have other tools to handle that, namely healing word
they serve different purposes

[tropic plank]

The rest of the party is just not in tune with nature enough

[hot reef]

Certainly not in combat (how I run it)

[hexed slate]

Actually quite underrated spell. Not a bad option to cast from a wish.

[tropic plank]

A Wish?

Its effect only becomes realised after a full in game year of casting

[crystal latch]

A druid 6/life cleric 1/divine soul 1 can, after taking one day off from adventuring - a reasonable expectation with how long travel between distant locations can take etc. - create a reserve of healing for the next day equal to 630 HP

[crystal latch]

Temple of the Gods with a Wish to cast it as an action is a good combat spell

[tropic plank]

Oh, yeah that sounds busted

[safe thistle]

im curious, are there magic items that doesnt need to be equip like a weapon. like a magic tool or something. trying to find items an tipical assassin would use when it comes to things like infiltrations and such, im aware of elf magic clothes such as the cloak and boots, but those are items you must equip. i am looking for items that are close to something you see as a consumable, requiring no attunements and are common to uncommon, thoughts?

[hexed slate]

If you are fighting celestials, elementals, fey, fiends or undead, yes.

[crystal latch]

You're creating a fortification that blocks enemy teleportation, denies access to everyone you didn't whitelist and is practically impossible to destroy

[atomic kayak]

Nice thing is lifeberry doesnt work anymore

[feral fulcrum]

It takes an Hour to cast. Casting it in the same spot for a year makes it permanent. It doesn't take a full year of nonstop casting to cast.

[atomic kayak]

Or just change the life cleric ability to "cast" instead of use

Like how 2024 did

[blissful ibex]

Spell scrolls if you're a theif Rogue of at least level ~13ish or whenever they get that one feature that lets them ignore needing the spell on their spell list

[hexed slate]

I'm sad, because it makes rangers and druids worse, but it is good for the health of the game.

[atomic kayak]

It doesnt affect rangers and druids

[hot marlin]

I love those "territory" spells. Temple of the gods, hallow, druid grove, mighty fortress...

[crystal latch]

Lifeberry is unironically the only reason why Life Cleric actually works as a "healer"

[tropic plank]

I think that was a translation error, I meant casting it one time with wish wouldn’t have the permanence effect of casting it each day

[hot marlin]

I just can't get enough of them.

[safe thistle]

i guess, but those are consumable, so once used they will be gone, an expense that not every assassin could always keep affording

[atomic kayak]

No lol

[hexed slate]

I like wishing for them.

Leting you cast them as an action is fun.

[blissful ibex]

" i am looking for items that are close to something you see as a consumable, requiring no attunements and are common to uncommon, thoughts?"
you literally asked for consuambles q_q

[feral fulcrum]

Aside from having the Cleric's spell list?

[hushed mason]

Not quite literally. "Close to something you see as a consumable" is what they said.

[tropic plank]

Combining a good mix of territory spells with some spells like imprisonment and hold person/monster to just create a secret jailer class

[safe thistle]

i said close to consumable, not a consumable. word play is fun. but what im saying is items like prayer beads, where you dont neeed to attune to it, you put it on quickly and take it off whenever you dont need it

[tropic plank]

A compass? A magic map, maybe a hairpin?
Your request is rather complicated

[north hawk]

Alchemy Jug.

[blissful ibex]

• Eyes of the Eagle
• Eversmoking Bottle
• Wand of Magic Missile (no attunement and can't miss)
• Sending Stones to contact your handler
• Rope of Climbing
• Emerald Pen
• Lantern of Revealing
• Cap of Water Breathing
• Boots of Elvenkind (as stated, included for copmpleteness)
• Alchemy Jug
• Veteran's Cane
• Pole of Collapsing
• Cloak of Many Fashions
• Boots of False Tracks
• Adventurer's ring

[safe thistle]

well, the thing is that there only so many items that i can equip at a time. something that i can use that doesnt mainly take an equipment slot, that i can put into a magic bag and pull out when needed is great. magic map would be useful by the sounds of it.

[safe thistle]

that sounds fun lol

[feral fulcrum]

The various recharagable wands and whatnot. But you'll find that every useable thing tends to need to be 'equiped' If it's not in your hands or on your person, you can't use it.

[north hawk]

You never know when you need 2 gallons of mayonnaise or 4 ounces of poison.

[safe thistle]

a toast to an amazing sandwhich that i crafted for my greatest "friend"

[safe thistle]

oh right, wands exist, why do i keep forgetting them

[tropic plank]

Nearly all the games I’ve been in weren’t too bothered by equipment slots, you just can’t do something crazy like having two armours on, or three sword equipped
I’m not too familiar with the system

[feral fulcrum]

Presumably because you're not looking at whatever books you have for Fat Loot

[safe thistle]

i wonder if there an wand holdster of some sort, like a side pouch where i can have a well organized set of wands.

[feral fulcrum]

Wand Sheathe. Though that's an Eberron and Warforged only thing apperently

[still plover]

-# "If that moss haired idiot can use three swords at once it can't be that hard..."

[atomic kayak]

You can just. Have multiple wands and flavor how you carry them however

Most wands require them being in your hands to use though

[crystal latch]

All cleric subclasses can take Healing Word, Life Domain doesn't improve it to an extent worth spending a subclass on - this is not the case with Goodberry where the subclass gives +30 healing per spell slot

[tropic plank]

Speaking of three swords, I had a query a while back
Could a changeling grow a second set of arms, and thus equip multiple sets of weapons
This wouldn’t affect their action amount

[still plover]

Pretty sure they're locked to humanoid, so two arms, two legs, one head.

[safe thistle]

honestly, i was thinking more grounded at first, i was looking for tipical tools from the 2014, which not much of an option that is useful outside of ropes and maybe some off chance a chalk maybe

[feral fulcrum]

No.

[tropic plank]

The definition I last checked said they had to be bipedal, I’m not sure if it mentioned extraneous limbs

[tropic plank]

Ah, darn

[jovial shadow]

Both the DMG and PHB explain how magic items have to be handled to work

[feral fulcrum]

" You can’t duplicate the appearance of an individual you’ve never seen, and you must adopt a form that has the same basic arrangement of limbs that you have. Your clothing and equipment aren’t changed by this trait."

[safe thistle]

oh, i see. ill keep that in mind while i bring up ways to engage with magic wands as my way to use tools, like misty step and such, having rechargable tools for situations where i need them are a must, especially with my poor stats i have XD

[tropic plank]

Keep all the wands in the same bag, and roll a d20 or 100 to see which one you grab

[feral fulcrum]

Also, you don't really need a specific magic item to simply just have things strapped at your hips.

Belts and pockets are a thing that don't need hard and fast rules to say you have.

[safe thistle]

recipe for distaster, isnt that what wild magic suppose to be about in the wizard class XD

[tropic plank]

Partly
You never know what effect you’ll end up getting

Even better addition, let the dm choose which wand is which number, and you don’t know

[safe thistle]

idk, i just want ways to be realistic about how i do things.

[atomic kayak]

Belts and pockets are realistic

[tropic plank]

How do I be realistic about putting on a magically enchanted object /j

[safe thistle]

it sounds realistic, but i dont think it is a good idea to have magic items in pockets that could get destroyed in mid combat, if it happen that is

i know dm arent going out there way to destroy them, i just want to play to the cautious nature of my character

[tropic plank]

By all means a spell like spike growth or glyph of warding(fire) should rend any boots you have equipped apart

[atomic kayak]

pockets are no more likely to be destroyed in combat than anything else.

Less likely in fact

[tropic plank]

I don’t think any DM would be that actively evil

[safe thistle]

i know, but i like the idea that my character is just that cautious

if it cost me extra, so be it

[jovial shadow]

Things you are equipped with or wear are not typically affected by damaging spells unless it specifically says so in the description

[tropic plank]

Thank you for the idea though, gonna destroy all my players items next session :>

[loud wren]

Hello guys Im new here so hello also how are you guys doing?

[tawdry sentinel]

The most evil thing I did was having a pirate that had parry, if he blocked using parry, you got a Dex save against being disarmed.

And then a monkey stole the rogues scimitar and threw it overboard.

You'd have thought I walked into his house and slapped his mother. Crikey. Man had like 6 more sharp objects in his bag.

[safe thistle]

things can happen, and like i said, i just wanna play to the cautious nature of my character is all

[blissful ibex]

Introduce them to 2014 Gray Oozes before you could use mending to fix the damage XD

[tawdry sentinel]

Actually the same rogue also got a magic dagger and threw it at someone that was running away, and they ran off with the dagger.

[blissful ibex]

deserved honestly, need to be ready for that eventuality if using non returning throwing weapons

[hot marlin]

Stupid idea: A monster that feeds on hierarchy. It needs to eat people high in hierarchical system. The higher they are, the more sustenance they draw.

[still plover]

Is it fae?

[hot marlin]

Don't know, but probably

Yeah, it fits fey

[tropic plank]

Could use a false Hydra with really picky eating habits

[hot marlin]

Nah the idea is that it's something that doesn't feed on the meat, it feeds on the destruction of the symbol. The act of reducing someone who is perceived as more than meat to meat.

[still plover]

So... attach to the king, and encourage his counsellors to run the kingdom without consultation?

[prime basin]

Could do an elder brain dragon but buff it up and give it spells like alter self and hypnotic pattern

[prime basin]

Probably a chaotic evil entity. Maybe a demon of some sort?

[hot marlin]

I don't get it

[final oracle]

Just been wondering but what is the best persuasion build in 2024?

[hot marlin]

I just had this image, you know, of some monster bringing up a king's corpse and a pig's corpse next to one another and saying "See? Blood and entrails. Rot and bones. Just the same, once you strip the superficial"

[blissful ibex]

Fae Wanderer Ranger with a wis focus and at least some CHA is probably up there

[still plover]

By acting on behalf of the king without involving the king, they wear away the authority of the king. Folk say, speak to Advisor Duram or Baroness Carna if you want things done.

[still plover]

This I like. I'm just struggling to align my vision with yours.

[feral fulcrum]

The Handy Dandy Vizier.

[feral fulcrum]

Still Fey Wanderer. It's the only one that gets a direct increase to Charisma skill checks. And can get Expertise naturally, so you'll easily just rock a +20 at higher levels.

[marble lion]

Thats just murder though

[hot marlin]

I've been reading a bit of Baudrillard recently and basically there's this concept called hyperreality. Simply put, the idea that symbols end up overriding reality. Like how a king is, in truth, just a human. Made of meat and flesh and everything. And a human is, in truth, a mammal. It sweats, it has milk, it has every kind of bodily processes. But through symbols, the king as a symbol for the nation, reality ends up overriden. So I had this idea of a monster that destroys symbols and draws sustenance from bringing them back to their unfiltered reality

[marble lion]

And the monster is man

[final oracle]

Oh damn

[prime pewter]

What is everyone's favorite familiar form? Talking base animals here btw. I'm partial to cats and ravens myself

[still plover]

I would love this in Mage. Or Mork Borg.

[prime basin]

College of eloquence (a 2014 subclass usable with 2024) with expertise in persuasion, taking eldritch adept or dipping 2 levels into warlock to take mask of many faces with a bunch of charm spells like suggestion, charm person, friends, etc

[marble lion]

Raven

[hot marlin]

It reduces things back to their most primal reality and that's what feeds it. Through the destruction of symbols and tradition, through the reduction of everything to their primal animal truth, you know?

So the more social power you have, the more of a symbol you are, the more of a meal you are.

Is it a weird idea?

[marble lion]

So a true compulsive murderer

Not weird

[cerulean monolith]

Owl and octopus are my favs

[prime basin]

Its like pennywise in a sense

[hot marlin]

Well... Is it murder when an animal kills to feed? I don't think it is.

[loud tendon]

the owl.. flyby is an amazing help on the battlefield and they are great scouts

[prime pewter]

They are also really cute!

[cerulean monolith]

Octopus is iirc the only base familiar that has an innate ability it can do that’s not blocked by familiar restrictions

[hot marlin]

And through this, the high priest of the religion is killed, eaten, and then their bones are found inside the creature's waste. The humiliation and the destruction of the symbol is complete, and the creature has had its meal.

[still plover]

Yes. But compelling. My only real dig is I don't know I could make it really sing in D&D with hit points and such. At some point, someone is going to introduce this conceptual monstrosity to the concept of getting shanked.

[hot marlin]

The idea being, of course, that if you're nobody in a hierarchy, it doesn't care and won't even consider you

[cerulean monolith]

Given that murder as a term specifically means unjust (or in a societal context, illegal) killing, it is almost certainly not.

[hot marlin]

Yeah that's kind of the problem... It's a bit too conceptual for a game as grounded as D&D.

[prime basin]

If your going with the unlawful/illegal route, then it depends on the animal (but generally no)

[hot marlin]

It's a bit like that line in a certain webcomic "It finally happened. Someone punched you in the face and they all saw it. Gods don't get punched in the face, you idiot. Look at the masses. They know who won, and even when they are wrong they are right. The mass always remembers, the mass always wins. Your law of kings is no more substantial than a fart and it too will devolve into spectacle". Or something like that

(The person saying that is a bad guy, but saying it to another bad guy. It's all bad guys, all the way down)

[remote wadi]

Not really. It's very upsetting sometimes, but it isn't evil

[prime basin]

It is murder when a human(animal) kills an illegal animal in their country to eat it

[hot marlin]

An illegal animal? You mean a protected animal?

[prime basin]

but otherwise i'd say killing an animal is just a part of nature

[prime basin]

Indeed, an illegal animal to kill

sorry if i didn't say the correct verbage, didn't realize i had to be so specific

[hot marlin]

No, it's not. In most legal systems I'm familiar with, it would be considered poaching

[crystal wing]

question. i'm a first time dm and i anted to make a homebre rule to make death saves a little more punishing. i came up ith an idea to give two levels of exhaustion per death save. is this balanced or too busted?

i haven't played with it yet so i wanted to ask around

[hot marlin]

Killing or capturing animals listed as endangered or threatened, hunting without a valid license, using illegal weapons or traps, trespassing or hunting out of season are all under the poaching laws. At least in my country

In the same way an animal that kills a human commits no crime. Because an animal is not considered to have to follow the law

In a D&D worldbuilding way, we can consider the notion of legal personhood

Which is interesting from the perspective of a world with so many species. Do the laws consider dragons to have legal personhood? What about demons?

Our perspective on law and animals comes from our ability to dominate animals. But dragons? A dragon can be considered a nation by itself. Even if you do code laws that involve them, how do you enforce them?

[remote wadi]

You mean an invasive species? It's either the same premise, just coincidental
Or said animal is being deployed by humans to do the job, in which it's usually mutual benefit

[prime basin]

When I said human(animal) i was referring to the fact that humans are animals

[hot marlin]

Although there have been animal trials in real life. In 1226 a pig was burned alive after being judged guilty of eating a human child

[remote wadi]

I'm more concerned with the how than the who

There are ways you could hunt illegally, but that doesn't make any act if hunting illegal or evil

[prime basin]

In dnd, dragonborn, elves, and dwarves for example would also be considered animals. This probably wouldn't apply to every species though considering creatures like warforged, undead, etc

[remote wadi]

It's just something we do to live. Isn't exactly sunshine and rainbows, but survival of the fittest is a thing

[prime basin]

I wouldn't define hunting a shark and cutting its dorsal fin off and throwing the rest of it into the ocean as "something we do to live".

[remote wadi]

I wouldn't try to prioritize wording in a DnD book over a philosophy discussion for an irl situation

[remote wadi]

You missed the previous message

[remote wadi]

Up here

[prime basin]

I saw your previous message

[loud tendon]

we are straying more into rl events than D&D discussions.. let's please get more on topic

[remote wadi]

Then you would know that you said what I said for the most part

[naive cedar]

the concept of animal trials was also controversial in medieval times btw. not everyone agreed it was a good idea

[prime basin]

Man I hope they add oathbreakers back into the game for paladins. I just really want to see them get improved though

[remote wadi]

TLDR: there are right and wrong ways to hunt, with both the ends and the means. The existence of the wrong ways doesn't mean all ways are wrong

[hot marlin]

Oh and in 1474 a rooster was put on trial for "the heinous and unnatural crime of laying an egg" which is... Hilarious and a bit sad. Probably caused by some mass psychosis. I'm definitely stealing that for a game.

[naive cedar]

lol its even better than that. the people who owned the rooster thought it was demonic and had laid an egg with a cockatrice in it

[naive cedar]

ngl oathbreaker is weirdly named. not all paladins who break their oaths are oathbreakers

[prime basin]

Technically they are because they have broken their oath by doing something they said they wouldn't do. But not every oathbreaker would have the same abilities as another IMO. Also technically some "breakers of oaths" would just make another specific oath and avoid becoming actual oathbreakers

[potent vector]

I assert strongly Oathbreaker shouldn't be a Paladin subclass.

Which is why I'm making it a Rogue subclass.

With elements of Anathema committing Druids or Warlocks that betrayed their Patron.

[reef tundra]

I think it should be a fighter subclass

-# Although I’m only saying that because I did make it a fighter subclass

[potent vector]

That'd prob be fine too, just saying it should not be Paladin

[reef tundra]

True that

[undone rain]

So like what do artificers do

[feral fulcrum]

Artifice.

[karmic pendant]

Their main thing is making magic items

[feral fulcrum]

They make magic items, and occasionally cast Wizard Spells.

It's why they get more Attunement slots.

[karmic pendant]

And some cleric/druid spells

[undone rain]

So their spellcasters (kind of) and make magic shit. I guess thats cool

They more of a support class, frontliners or?

[feral fulcrum]

Depends on the subclass

[reef tundra]

Make the DM cry /j

[turbid vessel]

they're a versatile support. think of it like arcane clerics. they're mainly support but with the right build and subclass they can lean more toward the martial/tanky side

[karmic pendant]

2 of the subclasses are frontliners

[undone rain]

Okaaaay just gonna note that down as dont play

[finite marten]

Got some new dice, gonna test them later

[undone rain]

Cool, ill keep that in mind

[stoic haven]

What part of Oathbreaker shouldn't be a Paladin subclass?

[turbid vessel]

nah artificers are fine, IME a lot of people who say "artificers break campaigns" made the situation themselves by not putting boundaries as a GM

[potent vector]

The fact that it's completely Abt not being a Paladin anymore . . .

And yet is still a Paladin

[undone rain]

Ah i see, right on ill keep em in mind. For now ill play em in bg3 (mods) to try em out. Get a feel for it

[stoic haven]

I think it as a subclass change makes it for turning evil, and keeping the oathbound magic

[potent vector]

Talked Abt somewhere else where they justified it's more of someone making an Oath to break their Oath, so like reversing it to keep its twisted power.
So basically Oath of Evil.

[stoic haven]

Mechanically it should be changed

[undone rain]

Theres so many classes i want to try out but i cant switch all whilly nilly so ill just play em in bg3. Not the same but its smth atleast

[stoic haven]

But I think keeping it a Paladin is fine, like Fallen Aasimar

[reef tundra]

And the name abilities should be too

If it ever returns and “dread lord” is still one of its abilities

[potent vector]

UA still had it 💀

[undone rain]

What about blood hunters. Sorry for all the questions but im only familiar with the classic classes

[reef tundra]

Riot time

[reef tundra]

They’re Matt mercer homebrew, so you’d need DM permission

[karmic pendant]

It's a 3rd party class but there also isn't a 2024 version

[undone rain]

Ohhhhhh

[reef tundra]

They’re nothing too crazy. Just a cool martial with blood magic to buff themselves at the cost of HP

[potent vector]

Not worth. I literally condensed all of it into a single Ranger subclass.

It's basically Edgy Ranger in flavor, fire with fire typa thing.

[undone rain]

Silly me i thought they were official my bad

[potent vector]

They're "official enough" for most tbh

[rough basalt]

It was a class made for Vin Diesel for a character he played in a movie so it was released on ddb for free by fan demand iirc

[reef tundra]

Being added to dnd beyond makes it “official enough” for people

But they are pretty much ranger’s edgy cousin, but I like them still

[rough basalt]

Eh not really.
There's a pathfinder adventure on ddb

[potent vector]

Like Humblewood Vulpine incident. . .

[feral fulcrum]

Witcher Knockoffs, if I recall right as well.

[stoic haven]

Totally worth it, their subs are awesome and base features are cool

[rough basalt]

There's other stuff on ddb that won't work well in regular campaigns either

Like the One Ring 2e 5e hack

[reef tundra]

I like them, but I see why others wouldn’t

[undone rain]

High risk high reward type huh

[stoic haven]

(Anti Matter Rifle)

[rough basalt]

That's wotc made so it is official

[prime basin]

I love bloodhunters too

[reef tundra]

A little bit. The damage they take from their blood magic isn’t anything too crazy but you do need to keep an eye on your HP

[potent vector]

"Subs are awesome and Features are cool" is subjective. I mean mechanically they're somewhat weak.
Not enough to stop you if you want to, but still I'll advised if you want smth mechanically viable.

[feral fulcrum]

That's in the...DMG I think, so, very official.

[rough basalt]

But I'm talking stuff that's third party and won't always be balanced for your table or won't work at all

Like a lord of the rings PC being in Forgotten Realms

[reef tundra]

I only allow blood hunter because I’m familiar with it, if I didn’t, I wouldn’t consider it official enough

[rough basalt]

Poor dudes gonna get obliterated

[undone rain]

Think ill just stay away from em. Sure sounds cool but complicated

[rough basalt]

Mercers stuff is iffy

[reef tundra]

They are difficult to build for at times, good call

[feral fulcrum]

I don't consider anything Third Party to be Official, because it's not WOTC made.

[rough basalt]

It's either broken overpowered or broken in a clunky fashion.

[reef tundra]

I can’t help but love them

[rough basalt]

But that's cause all his stuff is for his table

[undone rain]

Espeicially since im semi new. Cool concept tho

[steel moth]

cough gunslinger

[reef tundra]

I love the risk that comes with a lot of his stuff, but I see why others wouldn’t

[feral fulcrum]

Dunamacy is some nonsense, yes. Among other things.

[rough basalt]

Only reason stuff was released was due to fan demand.

[reef tundra]

People want their abilities to do what they want when they want it, and that’s valid. But me? I like a bit of chaos

[rough basalt]

So does Matt

[undone rain]

My next class i shall play is a bard

[delicate owl]

Hello all people

[dark isle]

Ermmm how do I even ask this- okay so erm can I like ask here if I can join a dnd group?

[rough basalt]

I like some of his home rules.
Exandria provided some good inspiration for my world as well

[feral fulcrum]

#find-a-game

[karmic pendant]

I recommend #find-a-game

[dark isle]

Yeah icl that’s mad dead ✌️ is there anywhere else? Or mostly just there

[rough basalt]

Find a game is an info channel

[stoic haven]

Oh its very official, but try running regular sessions with martials that use it

[delicate owl]

#looking-for-players is what you want probably

That one gets something new almost every day last I checkrd

[undone rain]

I cant wait to see the next official class

[karmic pendant]

I guess that would be mystic if it ever comes out

[undone rain]

Hm wonder how thats gonna turn out

Another spellcaster or a martial

[delicate owl]

Psion. Why are we saying Mystic still lol

Its a full caster, int caster similar to sorc in how it works.

As far as the playtests show

[karmic pendant]

Because mystic is what the most recent version is called

[naive cedar]

im really excited for another intelligence based class

[delicate owl]

? Where does it say mystic?

[jovial shadow]

What is a Mystic? The only one I know of was the alternate name for the Monk from the revised Basic D&D Rules in "Rules Cyclopedia"

And the new UA sub classes

[hot marlin]

Years ago, the Mystic was a published UA class, an attempt at a psionic class that is largely considered a disaster and now forgotten

[karmic pendant]

That's on me it's called the psion I got mixed up

[delicate owl]

Lol its fine. It is what it is.

[undone rain]

Oh dude i cant wait to play a bard. Hes gonna be this very dramatic goody two shoes. Hes a folk hero aghhh its gonna be so good

[marble lion]

What do you mean dead

[dark isle]

Idk tbh I got asked by my friend “hey go find a dnd we can play make sure they know your a girl” or something

So now I’m here to do his wish IDFK WHY HE HAD TO BRING UP IM A GIRL

[marble lion]

Ask him

Those channels have like 50 games advertised a day, and none of them get posted more than once per week, meaning people put out 450 games to join

Either that, or he hopes youll be taken into a game quicker because people like girls or because he wants to make sure the group is fine with girls

[little furnace]

Hi, so, I got a question

Is it a good idea for me to get tabs for my books so it's easy to find what I need to?

[marble lion]

Always useful i suppose

[jovial shadow]

Yes. I used to use a pencil or notebook paper. lol

[loud tendon]

@dark isle any questions about moderator actions should go to #moderator-support . You can ask to speak with one of us.

Otherwise discussing moderation is off topic and will be removed.

[little furnace]

Well, do yall wanna hear what books I have so you can get a reference on the stupidity my players can do? Cus I'm the usual dm for my group

[feral fulcrum]

In my humble opinion, there's nothing the Players can do that the DM can't adjust for. Or say "I humbly request that you cease. It is not enjoyable."

[amber echo]

du u guys use D&D beyond to create a char?

[feral fulcrum]

Some do, some don't.

[amber echo]

u used to create my rogue , I would like some help because I couldn't find where I can choose expertise in thief's tools.

[feral fulcrum]

#ddb-support might be useful.

[amber echo]

only show skill proficiencies and not show Tool Proficiencies

[jovial shadow]

I do.

[honest charm]

he better be a goody two shoes

[crimson gulch]

If you are making a 2024 rogue they changed how tools work so you can't pick expertise in them, but picking locks with theives tools Is a slight of hand check

[rough basalt]

My rogues Sleight of Hand bonus in my tonight game is hilarious

[warped lintel]

Hey guys I sent a message on dnd new comers. I’m new and I have a question. Sorry and thanks!

[rough basalt]

Just autopass every SoH check cause I have a guaranteed 30 in it

[amber echo]

what mastery u use?

[amber echo]

hmmmm thanks

[drifting fox]

when vampires see rice or sand they have to stop whatever they're doing and count every grain so theoretically speaking pocket sand is actually a hyper effective vampire slaying technique

[eager marsh]

only in specific old myths

[naive cedar]

Someone try that against Strahd

[rough basalt]

I use vex and nick

[drifting fox]

or hear me out using create food and water to summon 45 pounds of garlic right under them

[eager marsh]

Won't work. He has different vices

[rough basalt]

Hand crossbow and dagger to be specific

[naive cedar]

Tell him the sand is the reincarnation of Tatyana

[eager marsh]

He's stupid but not that stupid

[rough basalt]

Tbh if you wanna kill Strahd, tell him the current Matron Baenre is Tatyana

[eager marsh]

The drow? That he can't go near?

[naive cedar]

Tell him a tarrasque is Tatyana

[rough basalt]

He'll find a way
Then die doing so

And respawn back at ravenloft

[eager marsh]

i mean if he can find a way out of Barovia congrats

[rough basalt]

Dark Powers letting it happen cause it'd be funny

[amber echo]

vex from shortsword ow shortbow?
,

[rough basalt]

Vex from hand crossbow

[drifting fox]

the best strahd killer build is a blind and deaf warforged cleric

[rough basalt]

Best strahd killer is fighting him at the intended time

[eager marsh]

Never. Just leave. ez

[rough basalt]

Cause he can't defend himself against a level 9-10 party lol

[limber trail]

the best strahd killer is just finding a way to trap him where he is

[eager marsh]

he could if he was smart. oh wait-

[limber trail]

he's not very tough himself

[rough basalt]

He is smart, he's just too egotistical so he makes dumb mistakes

[eager marsh]

The Gilgamesh flaw

[naive cedar]

Why can strahd get his butt kicked by a level 10 party if he’s a dark lord? Is he stupid?

[eager marsh]

Yes

[rough basalt]

Oldest hero in history
Lose to a teenager cause you wouldn't acknowledge him as a threat.

[eager marsh]

Has literal futuresight and saw he'd lose. Told his own future sight to get bent

[limber trail]

he's a medium-ish fish in a relatively small pond

[drifting fox]

1000 year old vampire vs my 16 year old level 20 barbarian who was raised on a farm and has strength surpassing any mortal man

[drifting fox]

juggernaut vs deadpool "i'm going to tear you in half now"

[marble lion]

being arrogant like that is great because until you die from it, you feel amazing, and we all die eventually anyway

[rough basalt]

Cause his statblock was made before 2024 design foundation.

[marble lion]

could you have lived longer? yes
would you have felt as awesome as you did now? no

[eager marsh]

Not me though. I'm built different. Better even. Maybe even better than the gods...

[rough basalt]

Where enemies were poor helpless victims in the face of 2014 PCs

[marble lion]

the true play though is to get past ego and feel that amazing while not being arrogant

but just like being arrogant, not everyone will be like that

[marble lion]

i would agree with your cool pfp and stuff but you have disagreed with me on discord once so you cant be all that great

[eager marsh]

Incredibly fair reaction tbh. Guess we duel at dawn

[knotty pasture]

Sounds like a failed saving throw to me there

For Compelled Duel

[eager marsh]

If only the spell wasn't mediocre af

[marble lion]

oh no it worked it just aint dawn yet friend

[grizzled lance]

How would you incorporate future sight into dnd not using foresight

[delicate owl]

It is pretty good though

[turbid vessel]

divination wizard! and divination spells in general

[eager marsh]

Portent is literally that

[grizzled lance]

I meant for a monsters

[eager marsh]

It really isn't. Concentration, single target, doesn't even lock them on you, and enemies can still disregard the penalty by using saving throw features

[vale sage]

Heyoo

[grizzled lance]

As much as I would love to use portent against players I’m not that evil

[eager marsh]

there's a Diviner npc stat block that can do that iirc

[tough sandal]

So I had to move out of the city, putting my players in a two-month hiatus.
Now we're gonna be moving online. What are some tools and tips that I can utilize for online play? 🤔

[grizzled lance]

Isn’t that volo guide unless they update it

[meager fractal]

It's from Monsters of the Multiverse

[grizzled lance]

I know the new one can but that cost them a reaction

[eager marsh]

Yea they made a bunch of wizard stat blocks that each work vaguely like the wizard subclasses

[undone rain]

After playing artificer in bg3 i might just play em in dnd now

[grizzled lance]

Surprising that there are very few class specific stat block

[turbid vessel]

owlbear rodeo is a great site to use for a virtual tabletop, where you all can look at and manipulate the same map. it doesn't have in-house character sheets though. if you want that, i'd recommend roll20, or foundry if you're okay spending some money

[main maple]

Which subclass?

[undone rain]

Artillerist

[turbid vessel]

artificer just got a revision recently, and the revamped version is pretty dang cool!

[grizzled lance]

I wanna see some stat that are like monk

[undone rain]

Lets goooo

Are artificers proficent in guns btw?

[grizzled lance]

Yesnt

[delicate owl]

Well if they fail the first save, thats it. No more saves.

[tough sandal]

Thank you.

[grizzled lance]

They areproficient in some guns

Unless they take the gunner feat

[undone rain]

Like pistols?

[turbid vessel]

depends on which version of 5e you're talking about, the 2014 artificer gets proficiency in guns if the DM is using that optional rule. in 2024, guns aren't available as an optional DM rule, but pistols and muskets were added to the base game, so if you can get your artificer proficiency in martial weapons, those would be included

[grizzled lance]

Yeah cause they are proficient in simple weapons which are pistols and suchs

[undone rain]

Ahhhaaaa

[grizzled lance]

But again there is a optional rule for firearm proficiency

[stark maple]

The secrets of gunpowder weapons have been discovered in various corners of the D&D multiverse. If your Dungeon Master uses the rules on firearms in the Dungeon Master's Guide and your artificer has been exposed to the operation of such weapons, your artificer is proficient with them.

[undone rain]

All up to the dm i suppose

[grizzled lance]

Indeed

[undone rain]

I shall speak to my dm and see where we go from there

Because this class sounds cool as hell

[turbid vessel]

i agree, artificers are pretty dang neat

[undone rain]

Neat and unique

I could play a giff for it

[grizzled lance]

I like armorer articfer cause of power armor

[undone rain]

Hehe fallout

[grizzled lance]

Exactly

They changed the name to “arcane armor” when it officially came out play test but I will forever call it power armor

[karmic pendant]

Battle Smith is also cool the idea of having a pet robot is cool

[naive cedar]

Someone mentioned fallout?

[crimson gulch]

i have done that, its great

[tame sleet]

Yo I'm a dm/player anyone. Wanna do a virtual session

[turbid vessel]

i'm a big fan of battle smith. robo doggie

[karmic pendant]

#find-a-game is probably a better place to go

[turbid vessel]

i remember trying to make a homebrew artificer subclass way back when. it was a mess, i didn't quite understand the "less is more" philosophy of game design lol

IIRC it was like 4 pages

[marble lion]

if you want it to be close to table play, aka not tons of functions and sheets with data filled in to make this work, i recommend owl bear

[grizzled lance]

Where are you going

[marble lion]

owl bear is a pretty straightforward thing that lets you put down maps, tokens and move them around, including players controlling them, without the cluttered hub of roll20 or the book buying of ddb

if you want vtt, as in the thing runs itself and people mostly click buttons instead of rolling dice as normal, automating many class functions etc, i hear foundry is the best one at that. its the opposite of owlbear kinda

roll20 and ddb are popular and im sure for a reason though i never got into either

[grizzled lance]

I’m not a fan of how janky r20 feels sometimes

[turbid vessel]

roll20 isn't the winner of user-friendly interfaces, but i like it because the character sheets are completley form-fillable, so i don't have to buy an online version of a book or a datapack to use the sheets

i can just copy the data over from my physical books

• i can add in homebrew abilities and stuff if i use them

[hushed mason]

Roll 20 is also quite usable with the free version.

[ornate hearth]

Yo whats the best race for a Druid

[grizzled lance]

Aasamir

[turbid vessel]

any and all of them 🫶

[hushed mason]

100 meter dash.

[ornate hearth]

Oh well I was thinking of being a Dragonborn Druid

[turbid vessel]

that's an awesome idea! you should do that!

[tough sandal]

There are many creative backstories to be told just through ancestry.

[grizzled lance]

I’ve never been a fan of dragon borns

[harsh hollow]

That's fighting words to a lot around here, be careful. x3

[hushed mason]

Ditto.

[tough sandal]

The color of a dragonborn is a chief example, just looking through story blurbs of each type and building and home enclave around them.

[grizzled lance]

Dragon born are just frauds! They aren’t even related to dragons!

There only called dragons because they “look” like them

[hushed mason]

Unlike the Mighty Kobold

[grizzled lance]

Exactly

[undone rain]

Sooo how many spells and cantrips can a level 3 artificer know

[grizzled lance]

Arti doesn’t get cantrips due to being a half caster

[turbid vessel]

they get cantrips!

[valid geyser]

artificer does get cantrips

[grizzled lance]

Nvm they do

[hushed mason]

I'm not a fan of any of the anthropomorphic races, TBH. Except kobolds.

[harsh hollow]

They do, yeah.

[turbid vessel]

it'll tell you on the artificer features table

[grizzled lance]

That’s weird

[valid geyser]

its okay. I've had like 3 confidently wrong assertions today

[keen kestrel]

I do kind of like them, but I really loved reading brian jacques books growing up

[grizzled lance]

Other half casters don’t but I guess there just special for some reason

[turbid vessel]

it's cause they're less martial-focused than the other 2 half casters

[valid geyser]

artificers also dont all get extra attack

[harsh hollow]

Anthro races are interesting because I hear a lot about Tabaxi but I've actually seen more players use Tortles.

[turbid vessel]

👆 plus a D8 hit die instead of D10

[grizzled lance]

Armorer does funnily enough

But that’s more of a sub class a ability

[harsh hollow]

I forget, I think Tortles were reprinted in MoTM but were Grung in there too?

[karmic pendant]

Nope

[prime pewter]

No sadly

[grizzled lance]

Grung are in there own

[prime pewter]

I like frog

[grizzled lance]

Which is one grung above all

[harsh hollow]

Tortle were originally in their own little thing called The Tortle Package before being reprinted.

[grizzled lance]

Right

[harsh hollow]

I assume if they did reprint Grung they'd probably tone them down in some way. They seem to mostly want to be lowkey these days.

[grizzled lance]

I still think dragon born should have had some kinda dragon ancestry

[harsh hollow]

I always found it kind of funny honestly. That's not a dragon? Okay.

[grizzled lance]

You see that “dragon born” not a dragon

I’m still surprised most people let you play old kobold

[harsh hollow]

I wonder if it was just to avoid the uncomfortable question of why they're human-sized if they are dragons.

[prime pewter]

"Hex bloods" do not have an acursed bloodstream

[hoary totem]

Pack Tactics!

[grizzled lance]

Metallic dragons have the ability to turn into humanoids

[harsh hollow]

Hexblood are a lineage though, not a species. Anything can be a hexblood.