dnd-discussion

[knotty pasture]

Though I'm also using Gale of bg3 as a reference point, cuz his orb can blow up Waterdeep

[humble cairn]

The point being that physics just doesn't work in setting. Because it all basically run on the will of the gods. If Gond can just will that gunpowder's physical properties no longer work, then fundamentally you cannot build something like a nuke based on physical properties.

[knotty pasture]

And I like to think that the orb is basically Meteor Strike level strong

[tropic plank]

That’s an entire portion of concentrated pure magic

[stark maple]

^^^

[knotty pasture]

Closest thing to a nuke ig

[stark maple]

That’s what I was saying making a new is pretty impossible also why would you need to when magic exist

[humble cairn]

Also, no it isn't, it's just a matter of scale. Enough gunpowder and you can definitely level a city.

[tropic plank]

Meteor swarm

40-foot-radius sphere A creature takes 20d6 fire damage and 20d6 bludgeoning on a failed save

That’s nowhere near city level

[stark maple]

That’s more gunpowder that you can physically carry

[valid geyser]

scroll of the comet

[knotty pasture]

Huh that is smaller than I imagined

[valid geyser]

thats just a big final fantasy 7 meteor

[stark maple]

That’s what I was trying say it’s not really city level

[humble cairn]

And?

[knotty pasture]

I mean, with enough bag of holdings...

[stark maple]

Only spell that can possibly use to level a city is ravenous void

[humble cairn]

Circle Casting throws all of these out the window.

[remote wadi]

That's the affected area, though. I'd like to think that the meteor is at least 1 ft³

I mean, a 3rd level fireball is a 20 foot radius, and we are all well accustomed to the damage it deal to people and terrain alike

[knotty pasture]

(What a weird turn of convo this has been for the record)

How much gunpowder would it take to level a city, and can a single person buffed to the limit + enough bags of holding carry enough gunpowder to accomplish this?

[stark maple]

No you cannot create a nuke in either edition of 5e

[tropic plank]

Hiroshima was roughly (I believe) 13 thousand feet of total effect?
Meteor storm covers a tiny portion of that

[humble cairn]

Why are we limiting this to something a single person could carry?

[stark maple]

We’re being realistic..?

[humble cairn]

First mistake

[knotty pasture]

Cuz I thought the convo was focused on how much a single person can do at a time

[stark maple]

are you gonna hire a bunch of npcs to carry a bunch of gun powder for you

[knotty pasture]

Just use simulacrums lol

[stark maple]

How would you obtain that much gunpowder anyhow

[humble cairn]

Also, even irl a nuke was the work of lots of people, carried by vehicles.

[knotty pasture]

Uhhh, Wish

Godexits are a treasure for dumb experiments

[stark maple]

There is actually a handy measurement that already exists for determining how much explosive material destroys how much. It is the kiloton, which is the approximate explosive force of a thousand tons (2,000,000 pounds) of TNT, used for classifying nuclear explosive potential.

[humble cairn]

What's a godexit?

[stark maple]

But we’re trying to carry 2 million pounds worth of weight

On the low end

[humble cairn]

No, we're not?

[tropic plank]

Waterdeep is about 3 miles I believe

[stark maple]

That’s around how much gun powder you’d need to level a city

[humble cairn]

This is very far from the question of "is a nuke in D&D possible?"

[knotty pasture]

The tldr is that, for Genie Warlocks, you can have any item as your vessel as per RAW, and you'd pick Ring of Three Wishes

Then you just exploit the wishes to essentially get anything you want as if you turned on cheat codes in a video game

[remote wadi]

Hmmm... not sure about an entire city. But a castle, I'd be willing to wager

Heard of a story where a paladin was stockpiling up barrels of gunpowder for who knows what reason. Long story short, claimed each barrel was akin to a fireball, tried to kill a party member, party member lured paladin into armory with barrels, blew up most of the castle by lighting barrels on fire
Other player got out unscathed thanks to Chromatic Warding

[stark maple]

We’ve been over dnd nuke isn’t possible

[valid geyser]

isnt that the kind of rules jumping to conclusion stuff that gets you stuff like "uhh yeah cannons are totally a weapon totally, so obviously you could totally shoot it using true strike as an action to do 8d10 damage every turn"

[stark maple]

Any non magical item*

[humble cairn]

We weren't trying to figure out the logistics we were just trying to figure out sheer possibility, but if you need logistics, imagine every building in Waterdeep having it's basement filled with barrels of gunpowder.

[stark maple]

That’s a lot more then 2 million then

[humble cairn]

And enough to level the city, thus possible.

[umbral girder]

Might even graze the Undermountain

[knotty pasture]

Text does not specify it has to be non magical, which is why house rules should ban godexits on sight should anyone think of pulling it off

[stark maple]

1 Oil lamp
2 Urn
3 Ring with a compartment
4 Stoppered bottle
5 Hollow statuette

[humble cairn]

Can someone explain to me what a godexit is?

[stark maple]

It literally states what items can be your lamp

[woven flint]

Hello, friends

[stark maple]

It does just say “any item”

[umbral girder]

Then again. We also know that gunpowder doesn’t light in Faerun

[uncut zenith]

Worth noting those are examples and not explicit options

[umbral girder]

So Waterdeep would be fine.

[valid geyser]

not even house rules really, just a GM expectation that a player isnt gonna be trying dumb chicanery like that

[knotty pasture]

You decide what the object is, or you can determine what it is randomly by rolling on the Genie's Vessel table.

[humble cairn]

The first version of gunpowder doesn't work, but there is another one.

[stark maple]

Where does it say the object can be just any item

[tropic plank]

Why are we trying to blow up Waterdeep anyway, Its a cool city

[knotty pasture]

Nowhere, but it didn't say its restricted to anything either

[umbral girder]

Spellpowder I believe is the name

[knotty pasture]

Its silly unintended wordplay

[umbral girder]

Yeah Drizzt fought dudes who used it in his pirate life book

[knotty pasture]

But for giggles, godexit is a real exploit

[stark maple]

Debating if nuclear physics in dnd is possible

[valid geyser]

yeah its just a really big conclusion to jump to that no reasonable player would actually try and play

[humble cairn]

What does that word mean?

[stark maple]

“The feature states the vessel is an "oil lamp, urn, ring, stopper, bottle, or similar item," and it functions as a, primarily, personal sanctuary.”

[knotty pasture]

By doing this exploit, you're metaphorically exiting the realm of common sense in the campaign as a god is my take on it

[woven flint]

Waterdeep, is, frankly, a Crap Hole 💀
It's like one of the worst cities on the Material plane

[stark maple]

the vessel is intended to be a flavorful, mundane starting item.

[valid geyser]

as godexit stuff goes, the genie thing ticks me off less than stuff like,
the prismatic lasagna, that just actually is false and dumb

[knotty pasture]

Didn't see those words mentioned in the sourcebook, are they paraphrased

[tropic plank]

I feel like if you told a dm you wanted to do this they’d just say no

[humble cairn]

"Godexit" = ???

[stark maple]

Starting with the ring of 3 wishes at level 1

[woven flint]

What with the Zhentarim and Xanathars Guild running around, I wouldn't want to live in Waterdeep

[valid geyser]

yeah its one of those things in the realm of thought experiments than it is in actually playing the game

[knotty pasture]

Yeah its definitely bannable lol, just trivia to know and to stop people from pulling it off

[stark maple]

Alright you get the ring but it doesn’t have any of its power

[humble cairn]

I'm old and don't catch on to new words very quickly, so I don't understand what "godexit" means.

[knotty pasture]

I explained

[tropic plank]

You get the Ring of three wishes (heavily used)

[stark maple]

Raw legit prevents that sort of thing

[knotty pasture]

Oh wait nvm there's an actual explanation by the author

[stark maple]

There you go

[humble cairn]

Is this a response to me? Please ping me if so.

[woven flint]

Oi, Ophid, don't call yourself old >->

Because I also don't understand lol

[knotty pasture]

“X tech is so powerful, you outpace God” or otherwise are removed from, become, or eat God.

[stark maple]

Wish isn’t actually that power in the new edition

[knotty pasture]

An explanation to what a godexit is, not that I found your paraphrased quote cuz I literally can't see it in a sourcebook

[atomic kayak]

Nah. The vessel has specific stats that do not match any magic items

[humble cairn]

So a "godexit" is an exploit the relies on a bad faith reading of the rules?

[woven flint]

Wish can still be denied by Deities

[lyric viper]

I think there can def be space for giggle at unintended RAW shenanigans. Be it elephants leaping 9ft up, or some of the even sillier 3.5 rule interactions. One of my favourites was a feat that exploded on either rolling a 1 on the dice/ rolling max damage on a dice, so you'd just keep rolling.
Shurikens specifically dealt 1d1 damage.
Like a tonberry stab.

Now of course these things are very silly and so no DM would let it happen in a game, but it is fun to find those strange Rules.

[knotty pasture]

More or less, its dumb fun but hey helps with thought experiments

[woven flint]

Wish is the strongest spell that a DEITY (Mystra) allows a mortal to have

[valid geyser]

i feel like that one godexit blog was made to tick me off and it drives me nuts thinking about it

[stark maple]

Raw and rai just don’t allow that sort of thing but ok

[humble cairn]

Have you been responding to me all along without pinging me? Wooo I'm gonna tell you, I've probably missed a lot of your responses to me.

[valid geyser]

i dont know when or why rules exploit stuff like this gets me going but it does

[woven flint]

The bum sealed away access to spells that'd put Mortals on par with deities or more powerful

[stark maple]

Because a mortal killed a god in an early edition duh

[lyric viper]

They feel like the speedrun shenanigans of a video game.

Is the game meant to be played like that and was that an intentional rule? Nope.
Is it unintentionally hilarious to exploit them/theorise them in a hypothetical/non serious situation? Sure can be.

[stark maple]

If you were a god you’d also lock away spells that threatened your power

[humble cairn]

But I am legit old.

[woven flint]

Yeah.
That's why wish doesn't put you on par with Gods, it's something a divine intervention can actively dismiss

[stark maple]

Divine’s your intervention

[woven flint]

Not my intervention..!

[atomic kayak]

Probably because a lot of them (like the genie vessel magic item thing) say they rely on the rules but are not actually based on the rules at all

[knotty pasture]

RAW allows it in theory but no one would seriously entertain it unless its to mess around as a group

[stark maple]

This has to be the stupidest thing ever

[knotty pasture]

It was just the explanation of a godexit + that so you didn't miss too much

Wait till you hear about infinite AC Beast Barb

[stark maple]

Fireball

[knotty pasture]

Honestly at that point I think the Barb has succeeded in taking the piss if a fireball is forced to address it

[stark maple]

who would win infinite ac or 1 hold person

[valid geyser]

the one that ticks me off the most is the "prismatic wall fills a space so you can totally fill a container with it and bring it around and use it as a weapon to do a billion damage to your enemies" when it very much does not move and ends instantly if its origin shares a space with a creature

[humble cairn]

Ahh, I have heard of this one. Definitely shenanigans.

[stark maple]

You can force the creature into it via reverse gravity through

[lyric viper]

Folk, I can't tell if we're getting heated on this or not, but just as a reminder that just because something is RAW doesn't mean you have to play it that way, and someone pointing out weird RAW isn't thus saying you have to allow it.

Sometimes RAW be silly.

[knotty pasture]

Hold Person is a level 5 spell, terrorize your T1 games with infinite AC let's go

[stark maple]

Hold person is a 2nd level???

[woven flint]

"If your wish would undo the multiverse itself, threaten the City of Sigil, or affect the Lady of Pain in any way, you see an image of her in your mind for a moment; she shakes her head, and your wish fails."
This is HILARIOUS 😂

[stark maple]

Your thinking of hold monster

[knotty pasture]

Nvm thinking of hold monster, good catch

[woven flint]

Imagine wishing for someone and the Lady of Pain just scolds you

[atomic kayak]

Yea, one of the "its not actually based on the rules" types there

[valid geyser]

I dont think were having an actual debate on this really, especially since its mostly server regulars talking about it

[knotty pasture]

It was heated from the start 😔

[stark maple]

Super fun ngl

[knotty pasture]

I think its heated at least, god forbid we point things out

[humble cairn]

RAW is silly sometimes. Like how RAW no no one should be able to see the stars or moon at night.

[woven flint]

Why do you have Tremor sense?
Blindsight it right there smh.

[humble cairn]

I'm sorry? And confused, but also sorry?

[stark maple]

Also I’m pretty sure night time is dim light aint it

[knotty pasture]

Referring to Tiamat

[stark maple]

It’s not darkness

Unless there’s no MOON

[stark maple]

Tremor is better unless your fighting something that can fly

[lyric viper]

Or that 2014 Cats couldn't jump but Elephants could launch 9ft into the air.
Or swimming in full plate was as easy as swimming with nothing.

[woven flint]

Oh, Ophidimancer, wanna know something I did in Ti-Moths Baulders Gate campaign? 👀

[jovial shadow]

Just wanted to point out that a deity can only deny a wish when it is in made in their realms. They can't just do it willy nilly, except I guess with counter spell.

[stark maple]

Jumping was so useless..

[humble cairn]

Sure!

[deep hornet]

howdy!!

[stark maple]

Legendary resistance

[valid geyser]

The lady of pain can stop any wish that puts the universe or sigil in danger

[woven flint]

My Bugbear Ranger pat a Taverns Animated Armor bodyguard on the head and told it that it was doing a good job :>

[stark maple]

I still think it’s goofy that counter spell was made into a con save but dispel magic is still the same

[humble cairn]

Cute or patronizing?

[deep hornet]

sorry for bothering, is there a channel for builds/character ideas?

[valid geyser]

Counterspell got a lot of direct and indirect nerfs, mostly in the enemies favor

[woven flint]

Cute, he thought it an awesome critter!

[stark maple]

Definitely in the enemies favor

I cast wish I wish.. to be happy

[woven flint]

Animated Armor...
"If not friend, then why friend shaped?"

[stark maple]

None of my characters have sad back stories ngl

[jovial shadow]

Dispel Magic has been around since AD&D began, it's only been modified slightly from time to time.

[stark maple]

I’m just saying I think it’s funny that counter spell got nerfed but dispel didn’t

[deep hornet]

that's possible?

[jovial shadow]

I know. I think because it's a staple of D&D magic like Magic Missile. They won't change it too much

[woven flint]

None of my characters have inherently sad backstories either tbh lol
It's definitely possible

[stark maple]

The saddest character I made was the ran away from there family of giants because most of her peers were 8ft tall and she was 4ft

[deep hornet]

LMAO

[woven flint]

My most depressing characters are Warforged

Not because of a sad backstory, but just inherently because what Warforged ARE

[deep hornet]

I dont think i have a character with family alive rn

[stark maple]

So she wanted to prove she was as strong as the giants

[deep hornet]

and i dont like sad back stories tbh but i cant do something interesting enough without tragicness

ig im not a good writer :p

[deep hornet]

that sounds so cool

[woven flint]

Ah, actually
My Earth Genasi Noble Genies Paladin is kind sad, Fate-wise

He wanted to prove his strength to his Dao father who thought he was weak and ended up dying fighting a lich to protect others, his Father built a Golden Statue of him after because he felt pride in his son dying a glorious death

[stark maple]

I even cut a deal with my dm to where any time someone called her “small” she auto entered rage

[deep hornet]

that's just me irl

whoopsie

[sharp heron]

ur small?

[deep hornet]

...

[stark maple]

Jumo get ‘em

[deep hornet]

is 163 small?

[woven flint]

We're all small when compared to the vastness of the world

[sharp heron]

nope

[deep hornet]

cool then im not

[sharp heron]

hi not im rael

[umbral girder]

In hieght? No
In quantity of dice you have? Yes /jk

[stark maple]

My hungry ahh could never own dnd dice

[deep hornet]

lmao, i dont have a single dice

i wouldnt be able to listen to my dm if i had

tell me, how did ur best char start their journey and ended?

[umbral girder]

Scarred by his family blowing up.
Scarring the BBEG by blowing him up.

[stark maple]

We don’t about Luxeria anymore

[sharp heron]

a single die* ☝️ 🤓

[deep hornet]

u r right im low iq

but not low height so LESS GOOO

[sharp heron]

no ur good i just like to annoy people

[woven flint]

Aaracokra Warlock of mine
Started on taking the Debt of his Father (who made a deal with a fiend, every first child of each generation had to take the last Warlocks place) ended up sword-fighting his Patron, winning, becoming a Divine Soul Sorcerer, and dying in a battle later when he made a blackhole with his ring of three wishes to kill a Lich and destroy their castle

[deep hornet]

reasonable

[sharp heron]

no it isnt

[stark maple]

Can I have your bones

[sharp heron]

sure

[deep hornet]

mine is a paladin whose oath was to protect everyone on her sights until the dawn everytime she could, got tricked by a lich and got trapped into the shadowfell, she is still there, im trying to get a group to get a excuse to save her :p

[stray vault]

does anyone have actually printable character sheets

please

[sharp heron]

imagine someone tricks you and ur just into megahell forever

[woven flint]

Oh, and then we have my Wildfire Druid who became an Archdruid then a Diety in one of my dms personal worlds

[stray vault]

ive looked some up they dont print well

[deep hornet]

lemme check

[stray vault]

k

[deep hornet]

a png will do?

[stray vault]

sure

[deep hornet]

5e i suppose?

[stray vault]

5e doesnt work

trust ive tried

[deep hornet]

oh :( i just have 5e

[stray vault]

k

[lyric viper]

For 2024
For 2014

[subtle plinth]

I personally prefer DND Beyond over printed sheets, but some ppl prefer something non-digital. I just find it less convenient myself

[stray vault]

so i found some that acctually printed

[tranquil temple]

Does anyone have any opinions on what the best official campaign module is for roleplaying?

[jovial shadow]

Same. I would never go back to pencil and paper. Including physical dice.

[stoic haven]

Roleplaying, any. Intrigue and social, CoS

[fervent dragon]

Says everyone excited for the new official DND class that came out yesterday

[subtle plinth]

I like the physical dice bcuz they have so many really dope sets, but yeah digital dice are way more efficient

[lyric viper]

Did those ones help, or did your printer prefer another type?

[cursive loom]

im just reading the 2024 capstone for bard as inspo for my class

[fervent dragon]

Maybe strawd? I mean everyone gloats about that so I assume it'd be the best

[cursive loom]

why can they do PWK on two creatures??

[umbral girder]

Insult two people for the price of 1.

[cursive loom]

effecient bardsters

[umbral girder]

Or they say a pun so bad it sends a shockwave and gets someone in the cross fire.

[cursive loom]

My new class is bard but a different favour unfortunatley but what can you do about it

college of creation already does half of what i wanted this class to do

[umbral girder]

I miss song of rest.

I love song of rest

[cursive loom]

did it die or

[subtle plinth]

can I share an image of my dice my sister got me for xmas? I read the image rules and it's not clear if I'm allowed to or not. I'm leaning towards no, but thought I'd check anyways

[jovial shadow]

no images here

[subtle plinth]

ah

[lyric viper]

#merch-and-dice ! If ever unsure you can always check out #channel-guide to see if there is a channel that would suit your topic

[subtle plinth]

tyyy

[rough basalt]

Yeah it was removed.

[cursive loom]

thats mean

[rough basalt]

In exchange for a stronger magical secrets, better capstone and countercharm.

[fervent dragon]

so how excited is everyone to now officially be able to play boxers in d&d

[subtle plinth]

what's that?

[fervent dragon]

The new class

[subtle plinth]

oh snap

[cursive loom]

?

[delicate owl]

Yeah song of rest isnt as needed, because back then you only got half your hit dice back on long rest

So you didnt wanna use all of them, but now you get them all back, so song of rest isnt as needed

[rough basalt]

It's partnered content so not really "official" but rather heavily spotlighted 3rd party

[fervent dragon]

Pugilist is the new class a mix of fighter barbarian and monk and its strength based? They're essentially boxers brawlers. They have an ability called below the belt which allows you to punch your enemies below the belt and everyone gets advantage on that enemy until the beginning of your next turn, which is really hilarious

[crimson gulch]

not really, im continuing to not use 3rd party material

theres nothing offical about it, it just happens to be on dnd beyond

[fervent dragon]

But technically because it is on the d&d beyond page, it is now considered official material

[rough basalt]

No that's not how it works

[crimson gulch]

nope, its partnered content

[cursive loom]

this is what i play dnd for

[rough basalt]

Cause there's a Pathfinder module on ddb lol

As well as other 3rd party products

[fervent dragon]

You guys are no fun sometimes. Seriously, I was just asking about how everyone's going to enjoy this new class and everyone's like oh, but you know I saw a technically official material. Okay, you could just focus on the other part you know being excited to play something new. God you guys are a buzz kill sometimes

[crimson gulch]

third party stuff is off a lot of folks radars, Sorry to be a buzzkill

[lyric viper]

Ah, it can be a little frustrating when people focus on a point they've noticed- Cunningham's law and all that. But to give folk here some benefit, they're genuinely helpful people and being 'official' or not can matter for some games and also for this server. We do make things a little tricky with having a #third-party channel specifically for this after all!

[atomic kayak]

Yea being on ddb does not mean its official material at all

[tardy bronze]

Need them to collab with Bethesda

[lyric viper]

But I do think we should refocus on the fun aspect here, which is the class itself- and #third-party is the perfect place for that

[rough basalt]

its definitely a funny class tho, I'm sure some people will enjoy it, I know a guy whose gonna play one

[atomic kayak]

Its certainly... very strong. As most third party classes tend to be

[glossy otter]

ngl I just got done watching fallout content so that's funny to see lol

[tardy bronze]

Its just such a shame how they have just been sitting on Tamriel for 15 years

[glossy otter]

Tbh I'm suprised dnd hasn't collabed with Bethesda for something like Skyrim. I know it wouldn't work for fallout as they have their own ttrpg

[steady mantle]

(Edit: DnD 5E version)
Hey got a question about Ghostlance Gish/Hexblade version of the build ❤️

Different sources led me to believe I could for example: Eldritch Blast --> Unleash Incarnation --> Action Surge --> Eldritch Blast --> Unleash Incarnation = For like 8 Eldritch Blasts at lvl 5.

This seems not to hold true?
Eldritch Blast is not an attack or what?
And Unleash Incarnation can only be used with Melee attacks to then do another melee attack?

I need some sparring on this cause I feel like the build is now coming apart and the build I read up on so much doesn't actually work like it sounded like it did.

So any thoughts, sparring, clearing up and tips and tricks for discussing the build would be most welcome. Also going forward what would be good to work towards ❤️

Thank you!

[tardy bronze]

Tamriel is so expansive and the only games in it that hold up are Oblivion and Skyrim

[rough basalt]

Tamriel is stupid easy to run games in

[tardy bronze]

MY POINT, yet they wont

[atomic kayak]

#dnd-rules can help more thoroughly but as a quick bit eldritch blast is an attack, but not the Attack action

[glossy otter]

Mind it is harder due to it being a collab type situation

[tardy bronze]

Yes but even Bethesda themselves

Theres 9 countries on Tamriel yet the only ones i know anything about are Skyrim and Cyrodiil

[steady mantle]

Alright I will post it there - thank you 🙂

So you're saying it doesn't work, is that it`?

[tardy bronze]

Yes i know ES 1-3 exist but they're just too old for me

[rough basalt]

if i ran something based off ES id probably do Black Marsh or Morrowind

Argonian's got some sick lore and Morrowind had the best writing of the mainline games lore and storywise

[blissful ibex]

another 4~5 years to TES VI

[rough basalt]

8-10 moreso

[glossy otter]

ngl there's been times I've been tempted to do a fallout campaign but I'm already running 4

[tardy bronze]

Has the potential to be the best game ever IMO

Like Skyrim has major flaws yes but still holding up this well 15 years later is insane

[rough basalt]

I wanna run a modiphius fallout game sometime this year

[rough basalt]

cause of modding mainly

[glossy otter]

likewise, I've got the perfect setup inspired by Quentin Tarrentino

[blissful ibex]

issue is they've gone very corporate between when skyrim released and now, which was one of the many factors that really hurt starfield

[glossy otter]

(pardon me if I butchered his last name)

[rough basalt]

And people not really making those kinds of RPGs until Tainted Grail: Fall of Avalon and Avowed

[tardy bronze]

Well i'm playing modded rn and yes, but even without

[tardy bronze]

Oh yes Bethesda hasn't done anything good in a while

[naive cedar]

The oblivion remaster was pretty good tbf

[rough basalt]

Oblivion remaster is how you do a remaster imo

Barely change the original game but give it a facelift

[naive cedar]

Yeah I was shocked that it was actually good in this era of terrible remasters

[rough basalt]

Like all they changed was give a sprint button which works well in oblivion

[tardy bronze]

I don't know why but i didn't really like it that much

[naive cedar]

They greatly improved the graphics and changed a couple of things but the overall game is still the same

[blissful ibex]

was also made by a third party contractor
so bear that in mind

[tardy bronze]

Like it was good but i just could not connect with it the same way as Skyrim

[naive cedar]

Oh I know. They still picked a good company to do it though

[rough basalt]

I've always liked Oblivion more

[naive cedar]

I like oblivion but my favourite was always Morrowind

[rough basalt]

as a vanilla game

[blissful ibex]

q_q, I have a session today but it's not for 9 more hours

[rough basalt]

Modded skyrim always wins for me cause of how easy it is and how big the modding scene is

[blissful ibex]

could fit like, 2~4 full sessions between now and then

[naive cedar]

Modders Skyrim is fun yeah

[rough basalt]

But we should move back to dnd

[fervent dragon]

I just want another fallout game where the brotherhood of steel just dominates and we get to see them go back to their original values. I feel like that they've been put into a bastardization of what they originally represented

[tardy bronze]

I downloaded 500 mods now my game runs better

[blissful ibex]

neeed to finish my moderately customised STEP guide skyrim remod
ends up being like 600~700 mods, just takes forever to do and then Betehsda updates the game and it breaks

[fervent dragon]

Yeah the only game I'm not really interested in them. Remaking is three. I think three is the worst out of all the fallout games

[glossy otter]

So, anyone got any dnd plans this weekend?

[rough basalt]

Nope

I'd like more dnd but can't find a game or decide on a game to run

[stark maple]

She hungers

[fervent dragon]

Yeah, I'm running a Homebrew campaign for some friends of mine I about tpk the last session cuz it's a grim dark campaign. So you know dark themes characters with deep running political ideologies the elves being questionably racist because they kick people out of their homes but the elves are like hey we told you guys before this war happened that if you agreed to help us we would let you keep your homes but you guys said no and then you got conquered and guess what. We're unconquering your lands but it's now our property so you're not allowed to stay here anymore. Get going

[woven flint]

More waterdeep tonight 😎
We might reach level 5 🔥

[fervent dragon]

That do be sounding fun! I think the only official campaign I've ever actually played in, but I never finished it. Lost mindset I also played in curse of strawd but that was for one session in the middle of the campaign so

[humble cairn]

A bit jealous, but also I like Waterdeep and yall sound like you're kind of rampaging through it.

[woven flint]

Oh, we absolutely are

Barbarian, Monk, Rogue
And
A Cleric and Sorcerer

Honestly one of the most fun parties I've ever played in lol

We've only really struggled with one encounter, but that's because we were fireballed offgate lol

[rough basalt]

Might take a book out of a friends book and run an FR adventure

after all i was excited all year and got the ultimate bundle so i should probably actually open the books

[dark dove]

I need some assistance; I made an ad with Monodrone, but I accidentally put the game time wrong. How can I edit it to show the correct time?

[humble cairn]

Anybody make anyone from Waterdeep?

[woven flint]

Everyone is native in that group, actually

[humble cairn]

Everyone is from Waterdeep? Nice, I love to engage in the setting lore.

[woven flint]

Born and raised

My character is the Tortle Knowledge Cleric, he used to work at a Library within waterdeep but met the rest of the group in the Yawning Portal Tavern

[humble cairn]

Ahh good old Yawning Portal.

[woven flint]

Aye, we're going into Dungeon of the Mad Mage after this

[rough basalt]

I think ima run something in the Moonshae Isles

Or Calimshan since my monday game is gonna be a winter wonderland at some point and I need the desert to cool off

[warm rapids]

In the 2024 5th edition, what’s the best leveling path to multi class level 1 in all of them?

[woven flint]

Uh..
It's gonna feel bad regardless lol

[warm rapids]

Idk, I’d have to go human because all the classes need 13 to multi class

[knotty pasture]

Fighter 1 and then go ham, it wouldn't really matter anyways

[warm rapids]

Go ham as in any order?

[knotty pasture]

Yea

Just wanna get your proficiencies out of the way first with Fighter, then its whatever

[woven flint]

Yeah, if you're doing this, don't make it a character in ANY old campaign, I'd just do it for a oneshot.

[knotty pasture]

Or you can start with Paladin that works too

[woven flint]

It might be funny, but you're gonna feel useless a lot

[humble cairn]

That's a pretty terrible idea.

[warm rapids]

Agreed, one shot material

[knotty pasture]

You're kind of forced to constantly take ASIs to patch up your abysmal stats at first

I'd grab some cha and con and just sit behind firing cantrips

[crimson gulch]

i have been running a great moonshae campaign since that book dropped

a calimport one too

[glossy otter]

ngl I'm still digging into those books, I like a lot of the new lore in it

[marble lion]

So you get ASIs even without ever reaching 4 in one class?

I always thought ASI, unlike proficiency, depends only on the level of each class, not the character total

Actually im fairly certain

[rough basalt]

Ye I skimmed through it and I think ima do Moonshae.

[marble lion]

I just handwave this whenever i play though, multiclassings suboptimal anyway, dont need to make it worse

[blissful ibex]

I'd Say Fighter, Barbarian, Rogue, or rogue into barbarian and then the order after that doesn't matter all that much

maybe monk 4th for the BA attack

[marble lion]

Id get early healing to be useful at least as a rez machine

Cleric should be 3 or 4 id say

[blissful ibex]

but like, rage, sneak attack, and monk BA attack is at least decentish damage >.>

[marble lion]

Rage and sneak attack dont even work together

Get fighter barb for combat strength, then cleric to have an actual use

Then rogue for some extra damage

[blissful ibex]

they do, just have to use a finese weapon, don't actually have to use the property of it

[marble lion]

Oh right

[blissful ibex]

Once per turn, you can deal an extra 1d6 damage to one creature you hit with an attack roll if you have Advantage on the roll and the attack uses a Finesse or a Ranged weapon

[knotty pasture]

You have to run a rapier huh

[marble lion]

My last char was literally rogue barb so i dont know how i forgot

[marble lion]

Have to?

[knotty pasture]

Rapier gives the biggest damage die

[reef tundra]

You don’t have to but it’s the Finesse weapon with the highest damage dice

[blissful ibex]

at least until you can find a sun blade

[marble lion]

I still think cleric is way more useful than getting an extra d6 damage potentially per turn

[knotty pasture]

With everything at level 1 you need all the damage you can get

[reef tundra]

When taking the level in fighter I say grab the dueling fighting style for more damage

So combined with rage that’s +4

[marble lion]

Having utility that is good regardless of stats is better than d6/turn

Take rogue next

But get something that doesnt depend on your cursed statline

Revives dont care about stats

[knotty pasture]

Fix it with ASIs

[jovial shadow]

Two Weapon Fighting

[reef tundra]

I would say Ranger will give an extra d6 because of hunter’s mark but then I remembered rage stops spells

[knotty pasture]

I think using your spell slots on Bless may be a better idea anyways

[marble lion]

Ok yes max damage i get it but dont you think you should pick up the easily available strong cleric stuff at lvl 3

[marble lion]

Sure good too but saving one heal for literally saving a teammate seems better to me than this minmaxing of damage

[blissful ibex]

you don't get ASIs, they're class level dependant, not character

[marble lion]

24 too?

[reef tundra]

Oh btw I am a little late to the convo, the topic is maximising the viability of multiclassing into everything, right?

[blissful ibex]

yep

[marble lion]

Because i said that too

[knotty pasture]

Crap

[marble lion]

Yeah i think just freaking out over damage is not ideal

[blissful ibex]

you're stuck with a 13 in every Ability Score unless you pick up stat fixing magic items

[reef tundra]

Yeah, it will not be very good at all. But hey I like thinking about these hypothetical

[marble lion]

Fighter barb is a good start imo but you need something else than just combat power

Because youll be left in the dust anyway

Best max out flat boons that cursed builds cant ruin

[reef tundra]

Fortunately the class levels in all the other Spellcasting classes should give a few level 1 spells and cantrips

[marble lion]

Exactly

[blissful ibex]

you want to set up your martial/damage stuff early and then pivot into utility

[reef tundra]

So I’d focus on utility spells to salvage the utility of this build

[marble lion]

D6 or revival
Obvious to me

Fighter and barb already are martial base

[blissful ibex]

Could honnestly Start Barb > Rogue > Monk > and then go like cleric or druid

[marble lion]

Fighter is for profs

You cant skip profs lvl 1

You need heavy armour because your stats suck

[blissful ibex]

issue is heavy armor also turns off a bunch of your features

grabbing an amulet of health and using the barb AC replacement gets you to 15ac without a shield at least >.>

[marble lion]

I still think extra speed isnt worth not using plate armour tbh

Why use stat dependant ac while having the worst stats ever

Does being unarmoured give you anything else

Can you rage armoured?

[blissful ibex]

no

[marble lion]

Ah there is the crux

[blissful ibex]

you need it for rage and the monk's extra attack

[woven flint]

Yes you can, just not with heavy armor

[blissful ibex]

but at that point, barbarian already has medium armor prof, so you can still skip taking fighter first regardless

[marble lion]

True

[blissful ibex]

also nets you a few extra max HP starting barbarian

[woven flint]

What?
I was just answering their Armor raging question lol

[marble lion]

I think im sold on the lvl1 then

[blissful ibex]

silly 1 in every class multiclass discussion

[marble lion]

Barb into rogue or monk, then cleric, then the other one you didnt pick

I am still adamant you want to pick a caster at 3

[blissful ibex]

monk needs you to be fully unarmored for the extra unarmed attack, so skip monk and go for rogue second

[marble lion]

Ok fair

[blissful ibex]

Barb > Rogue > cleric/druid

[woven flint]

Or just don't wear armor at all

[marble lion]

Yeah thats what i had in mind

[blissful ibex]

issue is you have 13 in every Ability Score

[marble lion]

Does paladin get healing hands at lvl1?

[jovial shadow]

Yeah if you can't use Flurry of Blows, you might as well skip Monk

[woven flint]

I'd just cope

[marble lion]

You could use mage armour on top right?

[blissful ibex]

gotta pick up an Amulet of heath and bracers of defense

[woven flint]

Rage is decent damage reduction at minimum

[marble lion]

Why does mage armour not work with unarmoured def?

Ah then there we go

[blissful ibex]

it doesn't because they're both base AC replacement effects

they only work with things that say (add +ac) instead of (ac becomes x + mod + dex) or whatever

[knotty pasture]

I wonder if heavy armor is the play here

[reef copper]

Wait if the issue is having 13 in all scores why not just play fighter and increase asi? Eldrich knight for spells if wanted

[blissful ibex]

it eats rage and monk BA unarmed attack

[knotty pasture]

Would we miss those

[marble lion]

Its about 1lvl each class

[reef copper]

oh

[knotty pasture]

Though ig we do get the same amount of AC with a half plate

[reef tundra]

So we’re essentially locked out of ASI’s until level 15

[blissful ibex]

you either go medium and not use the BA unarmed attack or you find an Amulet of health or a barrier tattoo

[marble lion]

Maybe the play is to use heavy armour when fighting elemental damage

But rage when fighting physical

[knotty pasture]

Start with chain mail, transition into half plate?

[blissful ibex]

Barbarian into Rogue and using a rapier is the optimal start though

[reef tundra]

I think we stick with medium armour and rage

[knotty pasture]

Good point, Scale Mail into Half Plate then

[main maple]

I have work later 🫩

[reef copper]

warlock lvl 5 atleast?

[blissful ibex]

every class at level 1

[reef tundra]

Then I’d say fighter for the dueling fighting style to get +2 free damage on top of +2 rage damage

[reef copper]

1lvl in each class would make eb spam good

[blissful ibex]

true

EB spam would outpace martial fairly quickly

[knotty pasture]

Not much choice but EB spam with 13 cha

Feels like we would be playing a crappy Hexblade, huh

I assume the campaign ends at level 13 as well, no idea how we would proceed at 14-20

[reef tundra]

I think 2014 rules would be better for this hypothetical situation because of cleric and warlock subclasses at level 1

[knotty pasture]

Yeah, but the question is based on 2024 sadly

[reef tundra]

Darn

So we’re locked out of subclasses too

[knotty pasture]

2014 would see a lot more options I agree, free Bless with Divine Soul Sorc

[reef copper]

Thought 2024 had 2014 as part of it as "legal" character builds

[knotty pasture]

In terms of content not updated for 2024 yea

[reef copper]

oh ok

[crimson gulch]

you can use the material as you see fit for your tables

[knotty pasture]

But updated stuff supercedes 2014 rules unless stated otherwise

[crimson gulch]

mixing and maxing can work just fine, but its definitly not well supported by digital tools

you only lose the old options if you choose too

[jovial shadow]

If you have paid content, you should be able to use the legacy subclasses in 2024, right? Or is the limitation that if that subclass was revised in 2024, you can only use 2024's? I'd have to look at the change log again.

[crimson gulch]

in dnd beyond 2014 subclasses work on 2024 charicters

[knotty pasture]

#character-discussion not #dnd-discussion

[noble saffron]

Oops sorry 😭

[crimson gulch]

most of them anyway, theres still issues

[serene jolt]

How can I convince my 2014 DM to allow me to use the 2024 Moon Druid? 🤣

I find 2014 Moon to be soooo boring and needlessly restrictive but 2024 is super fun.

[delicate roost]

Ask your DM if you can make your druid with the 2024 rules?

[hidden spindle]

I would like to cast Cure Wounds with my paws 🐾

[delicate roost]

Be healed my child! boops with snoot

[shell crown]

Quick question. Does the dueling fighting style work with a shield in one hand?

[hidden spindle]

Yes

[shell crown]

Awesome

[jovial shadow]

You still have DM's who won't budge from 2014.

[serene jolt]

I'll try. If my current character dies ofc.

He warned us (we are level 4) that the gloves are off and "random encounters" are actually random and frequent now. So there's a good chance we can die if we aren't smart.

I just hope to make it to level 5 first so I can get revivify 😅

I'm slowly winning him over to 2024. I convinced him to take certain spells and feats from there. I'll win him over

[delicate roost]

If they dont budge then thats just the unfortunate truth. DM is in charge alas

[jovial shadow]

Hi. Kyle!

[night ore]

Hey guys

[meager fractal]

hi

[vale sage]

Ngl yakl

[hushed mason]

There are DMs that still won't budge from 3.5. 🙂

[hallow edge]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/campaigns/join/7494724697421515 if you want to join friend me join my server and we will begin 7pm to 10pm UTC min 3 players also there will be an dmpc if 3 players

[hushed mason]

#looking-for-players

[vale sage]

Y'all,I lowkey wna be an ancient dragon

[worn lagoon]

learn true polymorph

[harsh hinge]

Or be the DM!

[hallow edge]

i dont have permission to text stuff in looking for players btw

[feral rampart]

Nah become a Great Wyrm instead and take Tiamat out for soft tacos

[vale sage]

Iv always thought it would be cool to play a dragon that's been sleeping for thousands of years only to wake up to the world before alien and unfamiliar

Like,

[wraith kelp]

why do i after i made my ranger i now wanna live in a forest 😭

[vale sage]

A dragon so ancient they existed when the gods walked the world

[worn lagoon]

if you can come up with a compelling reason as to why they're leveled down to PC level, I don't see why not, at least in my table

[harsh hinge]

Read #find-a-game for the instructions. You can run the command in any channel where you can type.

[vale sage]

I think if if I was gonna do it id definitely wna do it as a dm

[feral rampart]

A god descends to the mortal realm to reck havoc!

The dragon: “Oh hi Mark!”

[stone haven]

the closest you can get to playing a dragon from what ive seen is the blood ritual to become a half dragon as a player

[feral rampart]

How’s the kids?

[jovial shadow]

God, "They are 10,000 years old and growing"

[wraith kelp]

dragonborn aaroca 😭

[vale sage]

A character kinda like alduin from Skyrim but he's not an evil buttmunch

Id definitely have to do it as a homebrew thing

Especially considering the size id want is best described as almost as big as the biggest castle citadel's

Like, 200+ ft plus tall

Dude would be so massive he would need to whisper to not harm the mortals he talks to

[feral rampart]

I mean a great wyrm is like 100ft long sooo

[vale sage]

I definitely wna do my own Skyrim campaign at some point

Or something inspired by it at least

Lmao imagine going to fight an ancient,mountain shattering dragon only for them to offer you cookies

[feral rampart]

Trying to take the wagon intro seriously and not laughing

Difficulty: Impossible

[vale sage]

" HELLO LITTLE ONES, VOLDUN THE ANCIENT WOULD LIKE TO OFFER YOU SNACKS, VOLDUN IS OLD AND DOES NOT WANT TO FIGHT, VOLDUN IS TO OLD FOR THIS "

[vale sage]

Yeah the intro is silly but the lore is horrifying

[burnt valley]

True Polymorph

[vale sage]

Like,did you know the average dragon in the Skyrim lore is 100+ long

THE AVERAGE,not alduin,not parthanx,

Alduin is literally so big he can consume the world

The last dragon born is basically fantasy kratos 😂

[feral rampart]

You can become an adult dragon with shape change for like 6 seconds and then get hit by every enemy in the combat and instantly lose concentration :)

Totally not speaking from experience

[vale sage]

Personally I'd wna have the character be an npc

Like,their body would probably fill the inside of a mountain

Id also wna make the world for the setting MASSIVE

like, think mount everest as the average mountain

[feral rampart]

No… their body IS THE MOUNTAIN

[vale sage]

A world so massive it makes giants look tiny

[vale sage]

Y E S

[queen lake]

Hey folks, im trying to make maps for my campaign. Unfortunately im about as far from artistically capable as it gets. Any recommendations? My campaign is done online via discord so it doesnt need to be a physical map.

[vale sage]

Azgards fantasy map generator

It can be a little annoying to use but it's free and you can control every aspect of it

You can even do specific trade routes and population growth/ decline

[queen lake]

Ill look into that for sure thanks

[lean wigeon]

you should let your players destroy the thalmor i think that will be based

[jovial shadow]

17th level though

[vale sage]

I mean tbh I wouldn't mind having the last dragon born be an npc

Imagine having him as an npc who's grown OLD

like,he naturally has a way longer life span then other mortals

I can easily see him growing to at least 100+ years old

[feral rampart]

FUS ROH- OH GOD MY BACK

Dies

[lean wigeon]

i think an elder scrolls campaign would be great but my issue with it is that racial and religious conflict is kind of a core theme of the setting which i'd imagine not many people would be comfortable with

[vale sage]

Honestly I just had an idea,

So imagine your the party right? You talk into his home with him and he sits the party down only to hit a secret button which opens up the armory,he gives each party member one weapon/ artifact

[vale sage]

Conflict resolution

[warped jay]

Does anyone have a perfect example of what roleplaying looks like? Preferably in video format? I'm a DM who doesn't know what 'rp'ing' actually entales. I'm like 10 sessions in, and starting a new group who I'm thinking wants to be RP "heavy"

A youtube vid or clip I think would be exactly what I need. Tyia!

[vale sage]

Plus it depends on what era

Like I'd imagine after the civil war with the dragon born being around he would probably help solve those kinds issues over time, considering your not gonna say no to him

[lean wigeon]

everyone was racist in every era is the thing

[vale sage]

" Ah yes hello dragon born, I won't stop being racist even though you tell.me for"

FUS RO DAAAAH

[timber turtle]

Show then the DND episodes from the Friday beers YouTube channel

[vale sage]

I mean it's part of the world, don't forget how much war has happened over the eras

Tamreil is not a nice place and its ass,

But I feel like it makes the world more lived in

I know Skyrim at least Is definitely the worst for the racism

Considering how many civil wars have happened between man and mer

[feral rampart]

Make one of those artifacts a bag of holding that can only hold cheese wheels

[vale sage]

I was meaning more like , a daedric artifact or ancient nord stuff ,maybe even old weapons he created

Like imagine getting a dragon bone great sword hand made by the dragon born

You'll never leave it behind , or at least if you do you'll be sorry

[iron herald]

Well, every group has a different expectation of what roleplaying should be, so nothing will ever be perfect. There are great live-plays like Critical Role, where everyone is a professional voice actor and skilled at playing dramatic characters, but many would consider their style undesirable for their own tables.

It would definitely be worth checking them out, as well as other live-play/actual-play groups, and get an understanding of how many different groups play.

[feral rampart]

Bold of you to assume the mass of near infinite cheese wheels isn’t a weapon :)

[vale sage]

Lmao the barbarian would be so happy

[timber turtle]

Are geeky people or popular people better to play dnd with?

[vale sage]

Though I know dragon bone is heavy

[vale sage]

Geeks and nerds

If I remember correctly dragon bone is by far one of the heaviest materiels in the entirety of the elder scrolls

It's also incredibly rare and almost impossible to forge

[stone haven]

yes it is thats why i force the npc travle companion to carry it

[feral rampart]

Even better, convert the popular people into geeky people and laugh about it like an evil mastermind whose decade long scheme has finally succeeded

[vale sage]

If you see a 6'6 barbarian orc/ nord man with his trusty dragon bone hammer roll up to your bandit camp and demand you stop being bandits your probably gonna listen lmao

[timber turtle]

I'm starting to like typical boardgames more then DND, I love games with cards like terraforming mars

[feral rampart]

Make him have a side gig of being a motivational speaker

[vale sage]

Unless you want said hammer crushing your skull

[late loom]

Geeks who would be popular if not for their geekyness

[iron herald]

That's the tricky part, "geek chic" has kinda become popular. So now it's more a question of sincerity - are people playing because it's popular now, or because they're sincerely engaged with fantasy? Social dynamics like these can be difficult to navigate.

[timber turtle]

Idk people would have some misgiving if you said you played DND at work

[late loom]

When I last applied for a job I said dungeons and dragons was one of my interests and the interviewer wrote it down as DND and I just smiled to myself

#clocked him

[harsh hollow]

I feel like in my experience it's mostly been the opposite. Some of my friends even have campaigns made up entirely of coworkers.

(You wouldn't catch me bringing work home to that extent frankly but I think it's a neat concept.)

[iron herald]

Bonus points if they write an ampersand, and thus actually remember how to write an ampersand.

[woven flint]

It's almost like playing D&D isn't taboo?!

People used to think the game was Witchcraft though iirc lmao
That's OLD thinkin' though

In reality, I'm just playing pretend with the homies

[harsh hollow]

I feel like a lot of the things people used to claim were "demonic" was just making an excuse not to have to understand. Notice how it was usually kids media.

[feral rampart]

People used to think that anything that didn’t fit within their closed minded beliefs was witchcraft so yeah

[woven flint]

They'd be terrified of my Harengon Wizard

He loves Witchcraft and the Occult
But he's a chill guy :>

[late loom]

I wasnt allowed to bring my books into church as a child because I liked fantasy and my mother was afraid people would think I was ungodly

So I don't know that thinking is fully in the past, but I don't care

[harsh hollow]

I don't even like Harry Potter for obvious reasons but claiming the fictional concept of magic has a tangible evil effect on the world is stupid.

[woven flint]

Oh lord, great heavens!
That man is playing a Robot with a Dog companion, HE'S A WITCH! BURN HIM! /silly

[harsh hollow]

And more often than not in these forms of media you're fighting demons as main antagonists, but they'd never know because that would require them to actually look into what they're attacking.

[iron herald]

One useful thing to consider regarding popularity, is that popular often means "safe". If people only ever take the safe route, chances are they tend to offload their thinking to the collective, and struggle to be sincere.

When the unpopular thing suddenly becomes popular, things get weird.

[feral rampart]

You fools! I have a melting point of FIVE THOUSAND DEGREES MUHAHAH

[harsh hollow]

I'm getting flashbacks of the lady that tried to claim the claw marks on the Monster logo was actually 666. "Take a sip and the devil laughs".

[iron herald]

I thought that was part of the marketing gimmick.

[woven flint]

I'm gonna play a Warforged Dog & Hound Pugilist who befriended a Dog because he just couldn't find companionship amongst humans because of how he was treated
I'm what way is this Witchcraft? He's a homie

[feral rampart]

If I was on monsters marketing team I would’ve just leaned into it more and more simply to cause chaos

[harsh hollow]

Honestly they should have. I don't think it was intentional on their part though, weirdos like that lady are a dime a dozen in certain areas.

[iron herald]

I mean their tagline is "Unleash the Beast".

[late loom]

Good heavens, that young girl wishes to play a pretty elf princess, tis the devil upon her!!!

[feral rampart]

New flavors now include: Holy Water & The Souls Of The Innocent

[harsh hollow]

A monster is a beast.

Or at least, a beast can be a monster.

[prime basin]

turns into a tiefling irl

[harsh hollow]

I don't think the rollercoaster The Beast supports demonic things either, not every mention of a beast is demonic.

Or maybe the coaster did? It's been a while, but I don't remember protests against it of that nature.

[jovial shadow]

A monster is anything the PC's can kill. I prefer to use the word for it's meaning: anything non-human that is hostile and wants kill and/or eat me

[iron herald]

I just find it to be like Mountain Dew but unpleasant.

Now I kinda want Mountain Dew... best I keep on with my diet, avoiding sugar and artificial sweeteners.

[prime basin]

I usually use the name of the creature or at least what it resembles because i don't wanna be broad

[harsh hollow]

Honestly that's exactly how I describe the taste of regular Monster. "Like someone made Mountain Dew wrong."

[small heath]

Question: which D&D god do you think is "overrated"

[harsh hollow]

Energy drinks just make me more sleepy anyway so I don't drink them that often.

[hushed mason]

Vecna

[frail merlin]

How many times have y'all been in a game where background features actually came up? (The things like sailor being able to find passage on boats by offering to work on the crew)

[prime basin]

The only legit reason why a lot of people don't like vecna is because he gets talked about a lot + stranger things

[prime basin]

I would say that Bane is pretty overrated

[harsh hollow]

The actual literal feature built into it doesn't come up often but used as a story element it happens quite a bit.

[late loom]

I do my best to lure my players into situations where they can use them but oftentimes it just feels so natural that it doesn't feel like they're using an ability

[feral rampart]

Not very often, at best the background is the general base of their backstory and at worst they are just taken for the features it has.

[prime basin]

of the dead three he is the least cool and his realm kinda just focuses around tyranny which a lot of gods do tyrannical things

[worn lagoon]

ao

just a conceptually not that interesting being

[woven flint]

Lolth and Tiamat.

[frail merlin]

Right but this is just the DM using your backstory

[hushed mason]

Byt you agree that's a legit reason.

[iron herald]

My samurai is the captain in a dragonslayer army, and managed to get a squad sent over to help us in town while we're out adventuring.

[feral rampart]

I feel like the designers kinda made a lot of the older backgrounds way too specific for most games

[prime basin]

Lolth and Tiamat are cool man? What's wrong with them?

[harsh hollow]

Well yeah but ideally you'd pick a background that fits your backstory.

[prime basin]

it's a legit reason, but vecna is a pretty cool character

[woven flint]

They asked who we thought were overrated.
I said Lolth and Tiamat and you instantly jump to defend them, I rest my CASE! 🧐/silly

[iron herald]

I've had an interesting idea for a setting that would recontextualize Tiamat, but I'm so preoccupied with my other projects I probably can't bring it to fruition.

[hushed mason]

Bah. I guess I'm a fan of Orcus.

[harsh hollow]

I wonder if the Dead Three were considered overrated for a bit there because of BG3.

[woven flint]

You wanna know who's underrated?
Lolths Son, Vhaeraun.
Even my dm who loves Lolth and Menzoberrenzen and Drow Lore wasn't aware of him until I brought him up

[prime basin]

I asked why, I understand someone like tiamat doesn't seem to do much beyond her name or aesthetics but why in general?

[feral rampart]

I don’t find them as characters overrated but their motives are a little stupid

[worn lagoon]

Eilistraee is also forgotten, not as forgotten as Vhaerun but still forgotten

[woven flint]

Lolth and Tiamat are overly glazed by the community

Like "Wow another bad [Redacted] diety! There's like, 50 of those!"

[worn lagoon]

okay but tiamat has 4 more heads than most other deities

that makes her at least 400% cooler than say, lathander, who only has one

[feral rampart]

Wow that’s 400% more heads!

[harsh hollow]

I hate how at the end of so many Yu-Gi-Oh arcs they just summon Tiamat as nostalgia bait.

[prime basin]

You could literally say the same thing for the good guys

[woven flint]

Bahamut when he's just a chill guy
Compared to
Angry murder kill dragon woman

[frail merlin]

Well Tasha introduced the ability to make custom backgrounds and pick whatever feature you want so it could be in different contexts
My point is they are a weird mechanic that rarely comes up and I'm pretty sure 2024 got rid of them

[hushed mason]

About Lolth... have you ever considered that Anansi is also a spider with the [Trickery] domain?

[woven flint]

Vhaeraun, her son, also has the Trickery Domain

[harsh hollow]

Yeah, 2024 changed the structure of how they work. Instead of your ASI coming from your species it comes from your background, as well as an origin feat.

[worn lagoon]

Bahamut's dragon face is pretty handsome

[hushed mason]

Could a case be made for a non-evil aspect of Llolth to appear in the form of Anansi.

[harsh hollow]

Also instead of doing the Tasha's thing of picking any ASI you want you pick from three based on each background.

[woven flint]

Vhaeraun is a lot more like his Mother than Eilistraee was, but Vhaeraun also actively seeks establishment between other species for Drow kind so they CAN actually reign Supreme

[hushed mason]

ASI?

[prime basin]

Tiamat is the the dragon goddess of tyranny and chromatic dragons while also having ties to the githyanki, the hells, etc

[harsh hollow]

Which ability scores you add to, I mean.

[woven flint]

Yawns

Bahamut is just goated

[hushed mason]

In my setting, I've made Tiamat the primary deity of kobolds, as well.

[prime basin]

I prefer bahamut too, but he doesn't really do much imo

[feral rampart]

All these others gods are cool but have you ever heard of the Demi god Monkey? :D

[woven flint]

I like Bahamut because he's just a Good Guy that loves everything and doesn't need a reason to be the way he is

[iron herald]

Gonna be real, I honestly don't care for a lot of D&D's signature monsters and gods in general. Some of them are really cool and interesting, but some just seem... strange and unfitting. Often the settings themselves have felt very arbitrary to me.

It's actually part of why I fell in love with Elder Scrolls, everything fits into a broader, meaningful metaphysical model.

[feral rampart]

It is real btw

[iron herald]

(Complaints aside, a good ol' pulp fantasy adventure is still plenty of fun.)

[woven flint]

Ilmater is another one of those "Just a fantastic guy" deities that I like

[frail merlin]

It kinda is
Same with Pathfinder the setting is explicitly generic fantasy so they can fit as many generic fantasy tropes in

[harsh hollow]

Every campaign I've ever been in has been homebrew, so I'm only really familiar with canon lore in a pop culture sense.

[frail merlin]

Same

[hushed mason]

I tried to make my homebrew pantheon familiar by using "real world" angels and demons.

[woven flint]

I can agree with this, but I've got a soft spot for a few deities lol

[feral rampart]

Honestly reading forgotten realms lore is mostly just peak boredom activities

[iron herald]

Generic fantasy is fine for core system books and such, as long as the specific settings are unique and interesting.

[prime basin]

Tiamat is his sister and he sees her doing bad things, obviously he is going to jump in and stop her and others machinations.

[woven flint]

Malar is just another Deity that I like for no apparent reason

Probably because I want evil nature gods more in media

[harsh hollow]

I was in a Descent into Avernus module campaign once but it went on hiatus before we got far enough for any big players to matter.

[woven flint]

Yeah, but Bahamut also just does good for the sake of good anyway

[prime basin]

I think most people here would rather make their own setting using characters from the lore but making them do different things or represent them in their own way

[frail merlin]

Yeah but do the others really have anything interesting going on?
I'm not super familiar but my understanding is ravenloft is "generic wizard school" ala harry Potter and eberron is generic steam punk magic

[iron herald]

Not really, that's the problem.

[feral rampart]

Well yes, that’s the main reason why that lore exists to begin with. Almost no one is going to be following that lore word for word and doing so would just be silly.

[woven flint]

Actually
Eberron is Magipunk 🧐 /silly

[naive cedar]

I like forgotten realms lore personally

[prime basin]

Well sure, but if he saw some poor guy stealing from a store he'd probably polymorph you into a frog without asking himself "why is he stealing from the store?"

[naive cedar]

Also ravenloft is gothic horror

[feral rampart]

This just describes most lawful good characters in a nutshell lol

[woven flint]

I doubt he'd do anything like that lol
He's a Lawful Good and that's more a Chaotic Good thing

[feral rampart]

Enforcing the rules while not considering why people are breaking them

[naive cedar]

I’d argue rhats more lawful neutral. lawful good is a bit more nuanced

[woven flint]

Do you not know just how Laid back Bahamut is though?

[prime basin]

Bahamut prefers to polymorph creatures that do evil because he doesn't want to sully himself with their blood

[woven flint]

Yeah, but shoplifting doesn't make you evil.

That's kind of a strange argument there, buddy

[naive cedar]

Shoplifting depends on what you’re shoplifting and why

[jovial shadow]

Thou shalt not steal

[prime basin]

But it is an evil act

[feral rampart]

I like to think that if someone’s house cat or something is acting up it’s because they used to be a notorious criminal only to be polymorphed into a cat

[naive cedar]

Like if you’re shoplifting makeup? Yeah that’s bad. Stealing food because you’re starving? That’s more nuanced

[woven flint]

He's literally known as
🌸 ✨ The Grandmaster of Flowers ✨ 🌸
Do you think Bahamut is just gonna change you for shoplifting?

[prime basin]

and he doesn't accept excuses for evil acts according to his lore

[iron herald]

My lawful good samurai has broken many written laws in pursuit of a higher moral order, and to preserve the natural order of life that is under threat by evil despots.

[woven flint]

Not really?

[prime basin]

Uh yes

[naive cedar]

It also depends on what laws you’re following as Murasaki mentioned

[abstract beacon]

If I play as a wizard, does it take 50 coins everytime I need to learn a new spell?

[woven flint]

Stealing isn't inherently an EVIL action.
Sometimes it's for the sake of others
Sometimes it's just to survive

[mild lodge]

hello dnd people

where do you ppl go to sell your dice once you're not into dnd anymore

[woven flint]

Stealing for GREED Is Evil

Stealing for SURVIVAL isn't

[mild lodge]

❓

[halcyon forum]

you get some free spells on level ups

[feral rampart]

Lawful Good Deities vs The Local Lawyer

A battle of the century

[prime basin]

Stealing is an evil act, the question is what forced you to steal in the first place and if there is a good reason IMO then we should help you to feel the need to no longer steal. Polymorphing someone into a frog because they stole is not a useful tactic for someone who might've done an evil act because they thought they needed to for survival

[abstract beacon]

Uh huh

[abstract beacon]

I happen to have a dice addiction so just send em my way

[jovial shadow]

Mephisto from the 8th level of hell, 'Yesssss. Stealing for food isn't evil. Steal all you like. Yessssss"

[woven flint]

I don't think Bahamut would just do that without hearing anyone out.

He's STERN but not RUTHLESS.

[mild lodge]

are you sure mans

[halcyon forum]

not all stealing is evil

[naive cedar]

I feel like bahamut would be more concerned with the reason why people are stealing because they're hungry

[iron herald]

Meanwhile my upcoming evil character is going to start off chaotic, living for herself and being willing to crush anyone who gets in her way. But she's still pro-social, and when confronted with innocents, she will begin to develop a strong moral code.

I eventually want her to become a lawful evil punisher of sins. She upholds that moral order through gleeful brutality.

[woven flint]

"Bahamut was stern and very disapproving of evil, always arguing with Asgorath about his crusade against it. He accepted no excuses for evil acts, and didn't tolerate even minor offenses by evil creatures.

In spite of his stance, he was also considered one of the most compassionate beings in the multiverse. He had limitless empathy for the downtrodden, the dispossessed, and the helpless."

[neon flume]

Dose anyone have experience streaming there game play dnd

[prime basin]

I think what you mean is "Not all stealing isn't justified"

[abstract beacon]

I’m not even sure it’s good for me but I like my tiny marbles of fortune

[naive cedar]

thank you for defending my goat

[halcyon forum]

if its justified, how is it evil?

[woven flint]

Bahamut is VERY compassionate.

[abstract beacon]

Justification and morality are different things

[naive cedar]

stealing is inhernetly a "bad" act, but people dont always steal for evil reasons

[prime basin]

Because one shouldn't steal, even if it is justified. Sure it might not be as bad as murder but it is an evil act that one might do for the right and good cause

[jovial shadow]

The denizens of hell, enjoy how mortals justify their evil deeds

[naive cedar]

like robin hood is obviously not evil

[woven flint]

ALSO:
"Bahamut disdained combat, and he preferred to talk with his opponents and convince them to surrender using his legendary diplomatic skills."

[halcyon forum]

i disagree. if the outcome is good, then it wasnt evil (intentions matter too to some extend)

[prime basin]

Of course he isn't he is a chaotic good character who steals for good reasons

[noble saffron]

Stealing Demon Lord's pants so he'll get embarrassed and stop his plan to invade the world.

[naive cedar]

Wait wait keep cooking

[valid geyser]

I got back from my medical ethics lecture like an hour ago and we were talking exactly about stuff like this lol

[prime basin]

He might like that, you never know

[iron herald]

A good example of rightfully stealing back what was wrongfully stolen.

[feral rampart]

Is Bahamut just Naruto in the form of a dragon?

[naive cedar]

IMO actions, results of actions that can be resonably predicted, and intent all matters

[woven flint]

"Stealing to repair my construct friend because I couldn't imagine life without him..."
Vs
"I'm stealing because I think I deserve what other people have more than they do!"

[noble saffron]

Possible
He is the Demon Lord after all
He'll be like

"Jokes on you, I'm into this kind of stuff Adventurer 😏"

[feral rampart]

Vs
“I dunno man, I’m just bored.”

[lyric viper]

Fun fact, he's known as the Grandmaster of Flowers because he got the titles of the highest levels of classes in AD&D, including monks!

Highest level of monk was called this because of Mahjong. 🀄 >.>

[woven flint]

You wanna hear some of Bahamuts titles?

[naive cedar]

Or "stealing a healing potion because ill die if i cant drink it and its my only option" versus "stealing a healing potion because i could pay for it but i dont wanna"

[feral rampart]

Sure

[prime basin]

Thats assuming the construct is nice and that the other person isn't a hard working individual who simply doesn't make as much money as someone who sits in a castle all day

[woven flint]

Grandmaster of Flowers
Lord of Pure incantations
Justicemaker
Angel of the Seven Heavens

Just as a few

[frigid kestrel]

So somebody just tried to scam me and it said that this was a mutual server. If you get a message from somebody saying that they accidentally reported you because you have a similar pfp and you have to message somebody to revoke it, PLEASE IGNORE IT IT'S A SCAM

Just wanna make people aware since they are supposedly in this server

[mild lodge]

ok but what if I don't wanna fund mega corpos ?

[crimson gulch]

oh new scam meta, thanks

[woven flint]

He's also THE PLATINUM DRAGON, Babeh!

[worn lagoon]

need to pay him a visit and beat him up so he lets the conjuration wizard summon him on demand frfr

[iron herald]

I've seen that one a few times.

[jovial shadow]

I was going to bring that up about the highest rank for a Monk being GM of Flowers, but the conversation went sideways too quickly

[mild lodge]

uhh what

[lyric viper]

Sadly the 'I accidently reported you' is a common scam, but thank you for making more people aware!

[mild lodge]

where does the actual scamming happen tho

[feral rampart]

Just block anyone who you don’t know that DM’s you unless it’s from a server you specifically know is safe. Don’t even bother giving them the light of day.

[hushed mason]

What is the scam?

[lyric viper]

Report to discord and block them!

Remember not to accept friend requests from folk you were not excepting a request from. Accepting them is telling Discord you trust them.

The scam occurs because they will tell you to fill out a form to appeal the report.

[naive cedar]

Thats a more morally complex discussion. Does the person selling the potion deserve to lose out on money because they have to work for a larger, potentially immoral organisation? Is there a way to get this potion from a more ethical place?

[lyric viper]

But, moving back to D&D.

[mild lodge]

thats so dumb lol

[naive cedar]

I highly recommend everyone ignore DMs from people you dont actively recognise tbh

[hushed mason]

People be dumb.

[woven flint]

"When he wished to wander the mortal world, he usually took the appearance of an old human or demihuman wizard dressed in peasant robes accompanied by seven canaries or other songbirds. This persona came to be known among mortals as Fizban the Fabulous. Some sages believed Bahamut used this humanoid guise to not frighten non-dragon beings."
Bahamut the sweetheart
I'm gonna keep glazing Bahamut now

[naive cedar]

Scams are intentionally designed to be dumb so only, to be blunt, dumb people fall for them

[crimson gulch]

i just bid on a 1e manual of the planes

[hushed mason]

That's so... un-mIRC-like, though.

[lyric viper]

It's still wild to me that monk's level titles were based off of Mahjong.

[prime basin]

"bro dnd lore is so boring"

[mild lodge]

(the person in question selling the potion most likely makes no extra money no matter the organisations profit margins anyway, aka they suffer no losses from the theft)

[naive cedar]

Forgotten realms lore is so fun dude

[woven flint]

Can you imagine someone actually saying that with a straight face?

[hushed mason]

I mean, just lore about corporate shinanagins is amusing.

[naive cedar]

Well thats important information. I would argue in that case that its morally grey

[woven flint]

Bahamut literally cosplays as an old guy just to not scare his non-draconic friends, that is PEAK lore!

[feral rampart]

This is especially considerate when you realize his true form is probably the size of a large city block

[woven flint]

Bahamut deserves a Raise,
Make him a Greater Deity again!

[noble saffron]

Intelligence dice rolls - 3 💔

[woven flint]

This man
I love him

"Bahamut's favored food was the early morning frost on blades of grass, honey, and daisy petals. He was able to eat anything, however, and he needed no sustenance while in his palace."

[naive cedar]

Someday I will make a bahamut cleric

[woven flint]

Me too
But I'd be stuck between making a Life Cleric of Bahamut or Ilmater

[lyric viper]

Neither

[hushed mason]

Elves, duh. 😉

[naive cedar]

tressyms > everyone else

[jovial shadow]

We don't use the word "race" anymore. They are called species

[lyric viper]

I'd actually would like to put stop to that line of question. It's not a good way of framing it.

[feral rampart]

Make them a Kobold that just calls Bahamut Grandpa

[thorny junco]

Ok then which one would win in a one Vs1 fight

[noble saffron]

Oh
Sorry
Species it is

[lyric viper]

Folk can 100% chat about what species they prefer playing and are their favourite in that regards, but let's not go into 'funny fantasy racism' please. It is, in fact, not that funny.

[woven flint]

Notably
Kobolds probably wouldn't accept Bahamut naturally

[prime basin]

Updated dragonborn fufill me in ways I could have only imagined

[woven flint]

A little strange, but, the Deity of Kobolds DOES work under Tiamat afterall

[noble saffron]

I heard that Kobolds are big fan of dragons

[oak grotto]

I still call them races and so do many other people.

[hushed mason]

Some of us still play old editions where we still use the old terms.

[prime basin]

I do too and while I know the names are different, I don't really care

[noble saffron]

Race - Racist
Species - Speciest???

[lyric viper]

The real question is- do you give them tails? 👀

[hushed mason]

Supremist?

[oak grotto]

Same. I have only played 5e and I just don't care.

[prime basin]

Sometimes but usually no

[oak grotto]

I'm disappointed with what they offer. Fizban's is more fun.

[naive cedar]

i always give potentially tailed creatures tails

[lyric viper]

2024 finally gave them tails in art

[naive cedar]

i love tails

[still plover]

I put a tail on a Trandoshan, dragonborn can have them if they like.

[oak grotto]

I don't like dragonborn with tails because those are literally half-dragons.

[lyric viper]

...why am I imaginign a 'pin the tail on the donkey' game that ended very badly.

[woven flint]

You know, I don't hear many people talk about Bahamuts brother, Null...

[prime basin]

Fizban's gave them more unique abilities but the problem with fizbans is that they still didn't get darkvision and that some race abilities were just better than others

[woven flint]

He is part of the outlands though

[prime basin]

this streamlines the dragonborn as a whole while still providing benefits over their 5e counterparts

[prime basin]

Regular Null, Regular Null, Regular Null

[cobalt owl]

Today was a good day

Fire elemental inside an iron golem was funny today

[feral rampart]

Not giving Dragonborn dark vision when they are literally descended from a species that commonly dwells in dark, cavernous lairs never made sense to me

[jovial shadow]

They can fly longer than the Aasimar, who can fly for a whole minute lol

One minute to do a surroundings search or one combat use and you are done for the entire day

[fervent dragon]

I have a feeling that my DM just canceled our spelljammer campaign before it even began. He just gave me back the 10 bucks I gave him to purchase spell jammers and said we talk about it later and he also gave another member of our DND party his money back as well

[cobalt owl]

At least he paid u back

[noble saffron]

Even dwarves have dark vision!

[lyric viper]

At least there's that, but that's a real shame.

[frigid kestrel]

I've never seen it before, sorry for old news ^^; Just wanted to make sure people knew in case it's somebody they talked to in this server

[worn lagoon]

do a war cleric

[woven flint]

I've already done one
I'd be playing subclasses I haven't lol

[livid valve]

Is it considered cannibalism if a lizard born eats a kobold? Where do we draw the line

[fervent dragon]

Considering lizard folk eat other lizard folk probably would be okay

[umbral girder]

This was the first message I saw loading up and my brain went “They added Tails from Sonic in 2024????”

[livid valve]

I'm asking if a lizard born eats a kobold is he now a cannibal

[fervent dragon]

No because they are drastically different species. Cobalts are directly related to dragons whereas lizard folk evolves from semi-aquatic creatures that and their environments are completely different. One of them lives in mountain in the areas, one of them lives and swamps

[livid valve]

Damn I thought lizard folk were more dragon based I could've sworn I asked someone

Thank you for the answer much appreciated I'll come up with another dumb question later

[halcyon forum]

I personally consider any sapient being eating another sapient being cannibalism

[fervent dragon]

Those are dragonborn

[livid valve]

I thought dragon born were lizard people...?

[reef copper]

does that mean eating dragons is more canibalistic?

[lyric viper]

Cannibalism is a strange one to apply to fantasy as for us it really more applies in the more scientific sense (a species eating another of the same species) but also to the concept of eating humans, aka, sapient beings.

[halcyon forum]

eating a dragon or eating a human, as a human, is basically the same to me, yes

[reef copper]

do we have a word for eating sapiant beings?

[livid valve]

Your pfp looks awfully familiar who is it?

[main maple]

I just wanna play dnd. I don’t wanna work 😩

[livid valve]

Play baldurs gate 3 at work with a steam deck

[main maple]

I don’t have a steam deck 😭

[fervent dragon]

Helsing ultimate

[livid valve]

"that was a 70 inch plasma screen tv"

[lyric viper]

Not properly. Anthrophagy refers to eating humans, cannabalism refers to eating the same species. Both have the nuance as well though of 'eating a sapient being'

Folk, try and stay on topic 😉

[livid valve]

Im fairly certain kenkus will peck at anything that's passed on to the oblivion

[feral rampart]

Nah, they’d try and see if they have any valuables on them

[livid valve]

How do you expect my birb to eat if he doesn't take what's already there

You think an Eldritch being is going to be allowed in a normal tavern?

[lyric viper]

There is also the more nuanced discussion of 'killing in order to eat something' and just 'eating a dead body, regardless what of'.

However.. it's a strange discussion and somewhat uncomfortable for some folk. Honestly cannabalism is one of those strange ones on the D&D Discussion bingo, but it certainly comes up a fair amount, and is in the lore...

[feral rampart]

I’d have a drink with an eldritch being given the chance

[livid valve]

ah yes I'm sure the white run guards would love seeing an Eldritch 6"2 bird

You know...casual CURSED BEING

[fervent dragon]

I am so annoyed right now so I end up talking to my DM to find out why he returned my money and we're not doing spell jammers anymore. Turns out one of the other players who literally when he was talking to the DM one time got so high that he forgot he had his mic off or was so high. He didn't even hear our dm talking. Got mad because me and another player went into the campaign believing that we were going to do rolled stats. We even talked about the rules for rolled stats and then the DM considered point by and he put it up to a vote and rolling the stats was considered the best option because it was picked by the most amount of people he rolled because we came to a medium ground. We won blah blah blah blah blah. He also quit out because the DM I guess sent him something on Facebook that was political cuz they are friends and they were talking about. I guess a subject around that matter and that's another reason he decided to quit out which I'm more annoyed cuz my brother was finally going to get to play his crazy war forge idea. But now that's being backline because we only have two players which really sucks right?

[serene jolt]

If you or your DM advertises the campaign, I'm sure y'all can get more.

Finding players is a little easier than finding DMs.

[lyric viper]

Sucks that that happened- hopefully if the DM is open to looking for new players you can get better ones. Maybe it was a dodged bullet.

#find-a-game has advice on how to look for players and how to use our own LFG channels.

[fervent dragon]

The other thing that really annoys me about the other former player is he didn't pay attention to anything when it came to knowing me and the DM relationship he's like. From what I heard the DM kicked you out of a lot of his previous groups and I'm just thinking no you moron me and him were kicked out of the same groups because those groups did some awful things like allowing us a druid to take advantage of my character in the worst way possible and I only found out because another player mentioned it

[delicate owl]

Top 3 most rng/chaotic spells and items, ignoring the decks. Go!

[worldly flare]

Wand of Wonder!

[lyric viper]

It sounds like it is a very good thing that player left then.

[lyric viper]

Bag o'beans.

[glass granite]

Wand of fireball in the hands of a trigger happy player

[lyric viper]

Wish.

[glass granite]

Can’t argue with that

[woven flint]

You're gonna kills us aren't you?

[knotty silo]

I've seen bag of beans be used very chaotically

[steep spoke]

Guys can you guess what this is?

||Ground shakes no stomps no scream,
Lurks under every adventurers dream,
Be ware to boulders who move,
Watch red eyes under groves.||

[feral rampart]

Mecha Godzilla :)

[steep spoke]

I'm planning to include this thing I made in my campaign, is this okay?

[steep spoke]

Nope

[feral rampart]

Aw man :(

[lyric viper]

I've managed to roll with it to fun results in a game. For some reason I read the pink toad result and decided everything it made was bright pink.

So when they rolled the pyramid and mummy lord I decided instead they just summoned the entire lair of the nearby lich who was already in the adventure and now was very confused as to why he was pink.

[feral fulcrum]

Lizardfolk are Lizard People, Dragonborn are Dragon People with breath weapons.

[delicate owl]

I already had one of the things listed 😈

[woven flint]

_>;
You worry me, sir

[feral fulcrum]

Scatter.

[delicate owl]

Though wand of wonders at the level I am at would be more of a burden than fun

[prime basin]

||I'm not sure exactly what it is but to me it sounds like a burrowing creature, who lives in treasure, and probably is grey colored. Sounds like a bulette or a burrowing dragon of some kind||

[prime basin]

Wand of Wonder

[steep spoke]

BRO YOU GOT IT WTF

You are so smart

[prime basin]

Is it a homebrew monster or the first one I mentioned?

[steep spoke]

Bulette

[prime basin]

Did you get inspired by bg3 to use it or was it just something you looked at and were interested in

[steep spoke]

I'm thinking of scaring the shit out of my players when they are guarding a noble child through a meadow but if they stick untill night time they will be facing this guy

[steep spoke]

I'm just trying to know if my players actually pay attention on red flags

[prime basin]

It depends on how your players react to it, also don't say curse words on here cause its against rules

just forewarning you cause they might ban ya or mute ya or something

[glass granite]

Some words are allowed, but many arts. I recommend you don’t try your luck lol

[steep spoke]

I'm just surprised hahaha, I'm just worried because one time I tried to warn them that there's a shadow and since they think they can kill it they have nothing to damage it with so they just quited on a cr1 creature.

[lyric viper]

Indeed, please don't test the filters folk 😉 Generally best to try and remember that we have users as young as 13 and we'd rather avoid any topics or words that would not be appropriate for day time TV for kids.

But typically if a word isn't instantly auto-filtered, it's because we've chosen not to. However if you ever do see a word that really should be on a filter, please do report it to us!

[hushed mason]

So swear words are fine, but words for body parts are not.

[prime basin]

I'm surprised they quit on a shadow. I would've just lit a torch and if it did manage to hide I would've made a perception check for it. It also only has 16 hp so

[steep spoke]

Yeah I tried to give them hints and I'm not even being mysterious, this time since they are lvl 3 I hope they try to learn from their mistakes

[frozen girder]

hi

[prime basin]

As a player who has played in a game with a friend of mine, your "not so mysterious hints" may completely go over the players heads

[lyric viper]

We don't want to be overly strict, but as we have not all had a session 0 together to discuss boundaries, and certain words are associated with certain behaviours and topics, some may be noped as a preventative measure.

Again, just think twice about some comments. Another rule of thumb for folk that might be more familiar is 'Would this be a topic or theme that I might have to discuss in session 0 with a brand new player' and if so, might be best to avoid it or be very sensitive/cautious when bringing it up.

[prime basin]

mostly because they don't have the foresight of knowing what the creature actually is, especially if they are new players

[frozen girder]

hi

[prime basin]

hello

[lyric viper]

Aaaanywho, back to D&D.

Yep, def a good idea to try and give more clues than you think would be needed, as you already have more clues due to DM knowledge.

[steep spoke]

Do you know they just have to go back up the stairs and get the obvious cross on a wall I repeatedly show them but instead they just abandoned a poor child crying because of that shadow

[lyric viper]

Of course, you'll get one smart player where you give a single 'subtle' clue and they've guessed the entire plot already.

[prime basin]

Well to them its probably just a cross

[steep spoke]

Yeah I gave lots and at that point I had to just hand feed it but they just chose to run thinking there is no way

[frozen girder]

me new to D&D

[prime pewter]

Do yall think I should play a spore druid or magical girl (boy?) inspired star druid?

[jovial shadow]

Welcome new to D&D

[lyric viper]

Also another thing I learnt early on was never hide information you want the players to have behind a skill check. Just give it to who ever has the highest appropriate skill or reason to know.

[steep spoke]

I told them "it is a symbol noticeably emitting holy vibes that the shadow tries to stay away from"

[serene jolt]

Star druid star druid

[prime pewter]

Okay!!

[prime basin]

Ah well thats kinda crazy

[prime pewter]

Ima make them a Tiefling

[serene jolt]

Dew it

[prime pewter]

No thanks

[jovial shadow]

ouch

[prime pewter]

I'm going to actually make them an Aasimar, because that's that vibe I was going for

[steep spoke]

I'm trying to help them learn from things than me constantly giving them things, I know they try to minmax but I want to show them that there's more in the world than just fighting enemies

[lyric viper]

Now I'm trying to think of how to make a magical girl spore druid... I mean my spore druid is already quite the ethereal pretty girl, as I themed her off parasitic plants like indian pipes (Monotropa uniflora) and fairy lanterns (Thismia). Just missing the 'transformation' part that's key to being a magical girl >.>

What classes make the best magical girls?...

[prime pewter]

Inky caps melt?

[minor cargo]

Barbarians, for sure.

[prime pewter]

Maybe that

[prime pewter]

Undead warlock

[lyric viper]

I'm loving these responses.

[steep spoke]

I bet magical girls actually is best on monks

[turbid vessel]

i'm always a fan of paladin magic girls, it's she-ra!

[jovial shadow]

Does She-ra have any magical powers?

[turbid vessel]

magical healing, for one

[steep spoke]

It got to be monk, shaved heads and their teams are called pinballs

[jovial shadow]

How about Warlock for that gothic look female?

[stone haven]

naw saber from fate

[minor cargo]

I'll also propose Wizard. In kind of your classic magical girl team, each one could take a different subclass and kind of fill in some archetypes.

[lyric viper]

unironically, a bald magical girl goes hard. Bald can be a stunning look, and monks are for sure stunning. What's their transformation?

[turbid vessel]

new dnd campaign idea: we're all the cast of Monster High

[ebon silo]

I love when a dm makes a group fight a dragon at level 5

🗿

[celest sail]

yessss my OC is an undead warlock she’s one of the magical girls of all time

[lyric viper]

How old's the dragon? 👀

[molten pumice]

I know from experience that a level 5 party can snipe a young dragon out of the sky in a round without it even getting to it's turn if they roll well enough 😖 😞 😖

[crimson gulch]

Yeah I stop doing solo young dragons at level 4 for players

[turbid vessel]

what's scariest: 1 ancient dragon, 2 adult dragons, 4 young dragons, or 8 wyrmlings

[woven flint]

An Ancient is always gonna be the scariest option

[umbral girder]

No.

Greatwyrm usually is scarier.

[molten pumice]

I don't wanna fight wyrmlings... I'd feel like I was killing babies,even if they were 80 or something

[jovial shadow]

Know your parties' abilities before you put them up against monsters or else they kill the monster too quick or the monster kills them too quick

[molten pumice]

They're just so widdle and kyute

[stone haven]

naw 8 wrymlings action economy of 8 breathweapons

[umbral girder]

Probably adults. While they don’t have the stats of an ancient 2 Adults is a wild amount of action economy with 2 Legendary Monsters

[woven flint]

2 Adults is close
But, now that I'm really thinking about ir
8 Wyrmlings sounds like an adorable encounter lmao

[turbid vessel]

1 of each color hehe

[umbral girder]

Because with 2 adults you got 6 legendary actions and 2 of their turns.