dnd-discussion

[fossil hollow]

Flame Tongue and Viscious Weapon dealing 2d6

[jaunty wyvern]

And guess what Conjure Minor Elementals has

Concentration

Im not saying it breaks the game, its just a little strong

[limber trail]

it also deals way more damage across a group of enemies

[fossil hollow]

HM is limited to a single target yeah

[jaunty wyvern]

Couldn’t you Hunter’s Mark a bunch of enemies if it didn’t require concentration?

[potent vector]

So less than double the damage, aoe, vulnerability coverage, difficult terrain, and this is supposed to make Ranger look good in comparison?

[fossil hollow]

If the og target is dead and as a BA

[potent vector]

"The spell ends if you cast again" boom. Problem solved.

[small heath]

Basically the HM change just prevents HM from going away if I take damage and break concentration. It's still only 1 target only.

That's it.

[jaunty wyvern]

Thats not that bad then

[small heath]

That's literally all the change does.

[empty thicket]

what? new changes?

[small heath]

It's a house rule for this campaign I'm joining for rangers.

I explained this a bit further up.

[gusty turret]

how does one deal with a racist dm

[fossil hollow]

HM no conc is honestly not that powerful

[potent vector]

Inhales deeply

[fossil hollow]

leave the game, report them to discord

[gusty turret]

got it

[empty thicket]

Leave, report, move out.

[fossil hollow]

im assuming this is online

[gusty turret]

as soon as bro knew where i was from he said i spontenstly combusted

[empty thicket]

i think it would be good, make it a status spell or smt like that.

[jovial shadow]

Wuh?

[woven flint]

That's.. crazy

[remote wadi]

Okay, quick question

How does CBE interact with the light weapon property?

[marble lion]

So he already kicked you?

[gusty turret]

nah he killed my character after that i just left

i still had his tag so i wondered what to do with it

[potent vector]

(remind me what CBE stands for)

[rugged hawk]

I mean..... if the guy was an undead standing in a church of lathander, that's technically lore-accurate

[remote wadi]

Crossbow Expert

[potent vector]

2024?

[marble lion]

That wont do anything in a report
Ppl are allowed to be stupid
What isnt allowed is posting hatespeech

[remote wadi]

2014

[gusty turret]

time to look for a new sunday campaign smh

[marble lion]

If he killed you character upon learning your nationality, discord wont do anything

[gusty turret]

i guess icl im not that bothered by it im lowk used to it just kinda weird

[marble lion]

Sucks that it happened

[wanton sorrel]

ah new character...

[remote wadi]

Anyways, my question is that CBE allows you to attack with a hand crossbow as a BA if you attacked before with a one handed light weapon

...but isn't that just the light property to begin with?

[ivory cloud]

What is like the most normal class/subclass you can make a character? Not magical not a trained fighter just a guy along for the ride, I feel that’s probably a rogue subclass but I’m curious what yall think

[jovial shadow]

You should probably get his name out there (not here), so people can be aware in case he tries to recruit others

[marble lion]

Witch hunts suck

[wanton sorrel]

ussually i probably if i join anyone i probably always play as a druid or cleric sense most people don't play healer....

[rugged hawk]

Sounds like something a witch would say ....

[jovial shadow]

Hard to be a DM when you are blacklisted

[lusty kelp]

Would that be a warlock hunt in D&D, or a hag hunt?

[marble lion]

I wouldnt condone public blacklisting for something that cant be proven

[remote wadi]

Anyone able to help me out quickly? My break is almost over

[potent vector]

Doesn't need Light property, just to be one handed

[empty thicket]

Light dont give that feature in 2014, but with CBE you can do that

[potent vector]

So attack action can be a longsword for example with CBE

[empty thicket]

the extra attack with the crossbow

[remote wadi]

So what would happen if i had 2 hand crossbows?

[hidden spindle]

Iirc, its BA is seperate from Light Property that allows its Modifier to be added to the BA attack

[remote wadi]

With extra attack, would i attack 3 times or 4?

[marble lion]

3

[cerulean monolith]

Nick weapon mastery and ability modifier to damage

[remote wadi]

2014

[empty thicket]

2 attacks with one, 1 Extra attack

[cerulean monolith]

Then just the latter

[empty thicket]

can flavor it like you shoot both and then load one fast and shoot it

[marble lion]

Attack action gives 2 hits, BA gives one more

[remote wadi]

So if I'm getting this right
2 attacks with 1 hand crossbow, 3rd with BA and the other hand crossbow

[marble lion]

Yes

My headcanon for it is that you fire A, fire B while reloading A, then fire A again
Turn over

[remote wadi]

Okay, I'm starting to see a little bit why Ranger can churn out considerable DPS

[potent vector]

All with modifier to damage, yes

[marble lion]

That has nothing to do with ranger does it?

[empty thicket]

it doesnt, anyone can do it

but if you had a thing like HM in the enemy each attack proc the HM

[marble lion]

Yes but maybe there is something extra i dont know of

[remote wadi]

Gloomstalker with 2 hand crossbows and CBE is 4 attacks turn 1. And if you throw in advantage and sharpshooter...

[marble lion]

Hm procs only once a round i thought

[potent vector]

Gloomstalker. ppl always boost Ranger opinion with it

[marble lion]

I see

[remote wadi]

Nope. Every attack

So with that said, I do need to ask 2 things

[marble lion]

Very cool

[empty thicket]

nope, every attack, whenever you attack it

[remote wadi]

1. Is 2014 light rules that you can make another attack as a BA if you have 2 light weapons?

[empty thicket]

No.

[marble lion]

Yes

[potent vector]

Yes, no modifier to BA attack without the feature that does it

[marble lion]

But without damage modifier

[empty thicket]

oh wait, nvm. Missread it

But yeah, its 3 procs of HM in an enemy if you are using that
3d6 extra damage, potential 18

[remote wadi]

2. With this in mind and the intention to attack hard and often, would it be a wise to swap out Cordon of Arrows for Hunter's Mark on my next level up?

[remote wadi]

Average of 10

[potent vector]

average of 12 from HM.

[remote wadi]

And i know this could go in optimization, but it feels pretty small and quick to answer

[remote wadi]

3d6 average is 10.5

[knotty pasture]

Hunter's Mark ain't it

[remote wadi]

Idk how much i really need Cordon of Arrows anyways

[knotty pasture]

You certainly don't need that either, what's your level again

[remote wadi]

5

[hidden spindle]

I would pick up Lesser Restoration

[remote wadi]

Spells are Entangle, Absorb Elements, CoE, and Pass Without Trace

[potent vector]

wait, 11, mb. forgor it was always .5 rounded up at the end.

[knotty pasture]

Here's a spell checklist:

1st Level: absorb elements, fog cloud, goodberry, longstrider, speak with animals.
2nd Level: beast sense, pass without trace, rope trick.

Improv as needed

[small heath]

How do you even calculate average from dice rolls 😭

[knotty pasture]

You just take the smallest value with the biggest value and divide it by 2

[broken imp]

i'm not too sure but absorb element has better alternative depend on character and/or campaign

[knotty pasture]

Its not super accurate though cuz we should assume accuracy

[potent vector]

half plus .5 because its minimum one, add number of times eual to total damage dice, round up

[jovial shadow]

It's the mean of the dice rolls. 10 is 5.5avg, 12 is 6.5 avg etc

[knotty pasture]

Yeah improv for sure, absorb elements is a lot weaker without elemental damage

[small heath]

OK so 3d6, for example. What's the math for this.

6+6+6 divide by 3?

[broken imp]

d6 -> avarge first, than x3

[marble lion]

You calculate the avg for 1d6, then triple

[potent vector]

no, its 3.5 x 3. so 10.5. round up to 11.

[small heath]

How do you average 1d6, what?

[remote wadi]

Fog Cloud doesn't seem like the best idea because I would be using Skulker. Nor would Goodberry help thanks to having high HP for everyone and adequate healing

Also, I only have 4 prepared spells for Ranger. This would require 5, if memory serves

Just saying this because that is what changes I needed to make and why

[marble lion]

1+6/2=3.5
Or
6/2+0.5=3.5

[potent vector]

half. then +.5

[remote wadi]

6÷2=3 +.5 = 3.5

[knotty pasture]

1d6 is a single dice with 6 sides, so (1 + 6) / 2 = 3.5

[jovial shadow]

But you don't round up or down, until you complete the math for whatever you are attempting

[small heath]

So it's the minimum and maximum of 1 die added together, then divide by 2

[marble lion]

That works

[small heath]

That's all y'all have to say 💀

[marble lion]

It was said already

[remote wadi]

Well

Thanks for the help on my questions. Valuable information for my next session and level up

[knotty pasture]

Cover is cover from Fog Cloud, doesn't matter if you're running Skulker or not

[small heath]

Well you say average, my mind instantly goes to "ok, adding all the values, 1-6, then divide" because that's actually how average works

[rough basalt]

Threw my evil creation at my party and i was satisfied with the result

[jovial shadow]

Blindisght doesn't see through total cover

[rough basalt]

They learned the true horror or were reminded of the horror of the Bonewheel

[limber trail]

the what

[potent vector]

But Tremorsense does.

(Dwarf gaming)

[small heath]

The way you guys described it, it's not average, but called the midrange. (being a math nerd here)

[rough basalt]

Bonewheel, or specifically, Bonewheel Skeletons from Dark Souls.
They're an infamous enemy that were so frustratingly difficult in the 1st game that they rarely appeared again and were nerfed heavily, but still bring traumatic feelings in ds1 veterans

[jovial shadow]

But Blindsight can see through fog. 10 ft worth anyway

[small heath]

those are 2 different terms

[rough basalt]

They jump into spiked wheels and ride them into the player permastunning them and killing them with tickles

[potent vector]

heavily obscured is not Cover btw.

[small heath]

So for a 3d6. You first find the midrange of a 1d6 (6+1 divide by 2) then multiple it by the amount of total die (3).

That gives you the average for 3d6.

[marble lion]

How does a math nerd need to ask how to do dice averages

[rough basalt]

But i opted for later version where they just run you over cause more fair and works better (prone effect)

[small heath]

Well more of a linguistics nerd but, still.

[cerulean monolith]

1+2+3+4+5+6=21, 21/6=3.5

it’s the average

[rough basalt]

made it a save or half 5d4 (3 slashing 2 necrotic), fail also prone, recharge on 5-6 ability

Otherwise they just move around in it then jump out and multiattack

[jovial shadow]

Treantly is probably thinking of median

[marble lion]

In an example that has no outliers, like equal dice, this distinction is utterly worthless

[rough basalt]

It hit hard, fell easily, one of my good quick brews i think

[small heath]

Median is the dead middle of a series of numbers.

[marble lion]

Midrange and mean are identical value when no outliers

So this method does calculate the mean and the midrange at the same time

[jovial shadow]

Median is not always the dead center, because there may be even numbers. So even then there would be a .5

[rough basalt]

My tonight game is getting close to level 5

Session ended off on them starting a fight with some cultists that removed their eyes

[cerulean monolith]

The median, mean, and midrange of all D&D dice averages are the same, because each set is comprised of consecutive real integers

Well, for single dice at least

[small heath]

"When we will ever use this in real life?"

pulls out a D&D set from the classroom cupboard.

[rough basalt]

There's a lot that question applies to, but Math is the one thing you likely use every day.

[jovial shadow]

Average = mean

[rough basalt]

Being good at Geometry made me a demon in certain shooters with grenades and grenade launchers

[small heath]

I know average = mean. I'm not a middle school student.

[small heath]

Real. As some bow and arrow dude from a hero shooter once said:

[cerulean monolith]

But you don’t know that midrange == median == mean in a set of consecutive real integers starting with 1?

[small heath]

No I never considered that because I haven't needed to learn that in a while, so it slipped my mind for that very specific topic.

All I asked was the math behind calculating dice average and not to receive a lecture making me feel like I'm stupid.

[cerulean monolith]

(I actually think the principle applies to more arithmetic sequences but I can’t remember the specific qualifiers for it to be true)

[small heath]

So please, can we swap topics now that I learned the math behind it? Thanks.

[tame spruce]

Does anyone know if there's a list anywhere of all the stat blocks in the DMG, i.e. Giant Fly?

[cerulean monolith]

The DMG doesn’t have statblocks, but the MM has lists at the start(?)

[tame spruce]

Here's giant fly, but I'm wondering if there's a way to find others:
https://app.roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Monsters:Giant Fly?expansion=33359

[cerulean monolith]

Oh, you mean the random monsters as part of items? DDB’s filter system might help there, but i don’t know if they’re entered as monsters

[marble lion]

3 hidden rogues are attempting a sneak attack on the lich (18AC), having a +9 to their hit bonus
The rogues wield vicious shortswords
What colour is the hair of the DMPC?

[small heath]

Are they wearing a hood?

[marble lion]

Well i dont know- aaaaaaaah

[cerulean monolith]

It’s shows me 2 for DMG24 (giant fly and larva), and 2 for DMG14 (larva and avatar of death)

[small heath]

If yes, then they're black haired. If no, then it's blonde or tan because they're trying to look pretty.

[limber trail]

they're a blonde paladin who can do literally nothing wrong and is five levels higher than the party

[marble lion]

Always surround yourself with people smarter than you

[limber trail]

dms out there use this dmpc its really cool and isnt gonna suck just make sure that you always smite to kill the bbeg

because if you dont kill the bbeg the party might suffer

and thats bad

[severe rampart]

Does Enlarge/Reduce affect mass?

[cerulean monolith]

Say it with me class: D&D is not a physics simulator

[tame spruce]

Hm for some reason Larva shows up under the DMG '24 filter even though it states Monster Manual and is listed in the MM. So maybe Giant Fly is really the only one

[limber trail]

It doesn't say it does on the spell so I assume not

[stray atlas]

random thought

are driders a thing in dnd outside of lolth?

[fossil hollow]

Mass maybe, since it applies square cube law

[marble lion]

I think it does actually

[severe rampart]

Wondering if I could flavor a short character with a really cartoonishly big hammer

[jovial shadow]

yes tied to loth

[marble lion]

But dont overthink it

[limber trail]

don't use the spell for that, just give them a maul and you're off

[fossil hollow]

why not? Ive seen a lot of toon force style characters

[severe rampart]

Need it to be bigger, think Tinkaton from Pokemon

[limber trail]

you can still just use a maul

I say that because RaW, unless you're also making the target larger, the spell doesn't actually do anything

and really my point is, RaW is a scam, just say your character has a huge hammer and run with the fiction

[marble lion]

They want the extra damage to really reflect it being bigger than a normal maul i think

[severe rampart]

-# I just like flavor

[marble lion]

Flavouring a maul as being bigger than a man isnt very satisfying to me

[severe rampart]

Yeah I'm not using a maul

[marble lion]

Oh or that way around fair

[marble lion]

What are you using

[limber trail]

yeah a maul is like
literally a big hammer

[marble lion]

Because i genuinely think you have to use a maul as a starting point

[severe rampart]

Oh I have to? darn

[marble lion]

No but

[limber trail]

you don't have to but a big hammer is what a maul is. It'd be like wanting a big sword and then not starting with a greatsword

[severe rampart]

Thinking like a Warhammer

[marble lion]

Why would you want to use a smaller one when the entire point is getting a toonishly big hammer?

[marble lion]

Thats tiny

[limber trail]

warhammers are smaller, single handed hammers. Mauls are bigger, two handed hammers

[marble lion]

Isnt that piercing?

[glass granite]

If that’s tiny what’s a light hammer

[marble lion]

Tiny, i was overstating

[knotty pasture]

A knife sized hammer

[limber trail]

both are bludgeoning

[severe rampart]

That's why I have Enlarge/Reduce :)

[marble lion]

Oh is warhammer versatile one?

[glass granite]

Yes

[marble lion]

Ok but enlarging a d10 hammer isnt as fitting as enlarging a 2d6

[limber trail]

why do you need enlarge/reduce when you can just use a maul all the time

[marble lion]

No no i get that part

But if you want to bring a massive hammer, dont you need the biggest damage die?

Is there another reason why you dont want to use a maul

[glass granite]

I’m just curious why you want a warhammer over a maul yeah

[marble lion]

Youre purposefully picking the smaller weapon

[severe rampart]

Oh my god, I've been visualizing mauls wrong all my life

[marble lion]

Oh

[severe rampart]

I thought they looked more like axes

[marble lion]

Well they can

[severe rampart]

Well, maybe, or I could just be a fighter with a maul

[marble lion]

But they dont have to
Its literally just 2d6 bludgeon weapon

Style it as you wish

[glass granite]

Oh like a splitting maul? Nah dnd uses smt more akin to a war maul.

[marble lion]

Big bludgeon go brrr

[knotty pasture]

I should try running Mauls one of those days

[severe rampart]

Yeah, you get the confusion

[hoary totem]

I can already hear the Gigaton Hammer B O N K

[glass granite]

Mhm

[severe rampart]

Why am I making more characters I'm in so many campaigns and I'm DMing one

[marble lion]

Anyway i really like the enlarge vision

[knotty pasture]

Because characters are cool

[marble lion]

Flavouring it as your weapon growing, not you

[glass granite]

I have 25 characters (ish) and I’ve used 3

[severe rampart]

That's the plan

[marble lion]

It gives extra dmg to it to actually mechanically reflect that this maul is bigger than other mauls

[severe rampart]

Might play a Tiefling Fighter Lady with a maul 🤔

[sick summit]

day 7 of saying building sized cats should be a thing both irl and in D&D

[marble lion]

Silly quirky tiefling girl with oversized hammer is a very strong image in my head

[knotty pasture]

Yknow one idea I have when one has too many characters is to just finish bg3 act 1 as a character and swap to another one

Enough time to get a dip/feel of a character based on rp choices

[marble lion]

Why do you want your insides to be strewn across the front yard?

Cats are horrifying

[severe rampart]

I do not have BG3, and I am a poor student

[hushed mason]

I... agree.

[woven flint]

I disagree

[marble lion]

I feel like humanity would be wiped out long ago if cats that big existed

[severe rampart]

Irl?... Isn't that just the Sphinx?

[marble lion]

No

Cats dont have lady faces

[sick summit]

they're cute and playful and I've been saying the same thing for 7 days, this is the second time someone has noticed me saying that

[marble lion]

You owned any cats? They kill for fun

Be glad youre too big to hunt

[sick summit]

two actually

[severe rampart]

Oh man I have 8 cats

They play well with the dogs

[marble lion]

Anything smaller than the cats hmmm leg maybe is in danger of horrifically gory deaths exacted over a long time

[hushed mason]

I am catless for the first time in my life. It's a sad and lonely existence.

[jovial shadow]

Glad dogs aren't building size. They crap and pee everywhere and slobber all over you

[hushed mason]

Clifford!

[marble lion]

Ok but at least they wouldnt play with your torn off twitching legs

[sick summit]

what happened?

[severe rampart]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that cartoon

[hushed mason]

They got old and sick and died. I just haven't gotten another. We have budgies now, but they're not the same.

[winged canopy]

Hi I'm new to dnd and I'm looking for a game

[marble lion]

In a cute funny image though, id love building sized cats

[hushed mason]

Clifford the Big Red Dog is a story book, originally.

Building-sized cats would eat us all.

[fossil hollow]

meow

[marble lion]

But if they didnt, would be cool

[sick summit]

that's sad, my cat just ran away cuz my mom would keep the door open evryday, It's a surprise it didn,t run away the first few days

[jovial shadow]

Can't keep baby cat in a corner

[sick summit]

#find-a-game

[winged canopy]

Thx m8

[sick summit]

welcome

[limber trail]

What one day no dnd does to a man

[woven flint]

Sometimes, I feel like becoming the equivalent of a Hydrogen Bomb

[limber trail]

I don’t think that’s a good idea

[woven flint]

Your Opinion is...
Tolerable

[small heath]

Before I'm sleep I am going to start a smear campaign to keep Themberchaud starving.

Conjure it up in my head.

[jovial shadow]

Going back to what someone asked about if Enlarging has an affect on mass. I can't find anything that has to do with a creatures size as it pertains to their weight. I am sure I saw it in earlier editions.

[fossil hollow]

I just finished a session of Dragonlance lol

[limber trail]

Must be unrelated then

[sick summit]

I want a big black cat

[fossil hollow]

too much tokii in my life /j

[limber trail]

We don’t need him in Waterdeep

[fossil hollow]

bag man would be sad

[limber trail]

Sucks for bag man

[woven flint]

Wow...

[fossil hollow]

its gonna suck for you when the bag opens up and snatches you

[woven flint]

You guys don't love Artanza?

No appriciation for the Cleric. smh

[fossil hollow]

"I love Artanza. I cherish Artanza. He promises sinners."

[woven flint]

Honestly, if its for the safety of the party, I think he'd comply

[winged flare]

I was wondering this earlier, Could you cook meat with shocking grasp?

[fossil hollow]

RAW, no

[woven flint]

Up to the DM, I guess

[fossil hollow]

hehe, RAW, cook meat

[winged flare]

It would probably be really burnt

[fossil hollow]

actually, it probably wont cook enough

[winged flare]

Oh yeah it wouldn’t be even the heat

I just thought the image of someone holding a steak and cooking it with shocking grasp or a fire bolt was funny haha

[marble lion]

Ive never seen lightning cooked meat cuts

Only burnt, not properly cooked

[jovial shadow]

Pretty sure Shocking Grasp cooks just as well as Burning Hands

[limber trail]

Neither work very well

[marble lion]

So completely burnt i assume

[jovial shadow]

yep

[marble lion]

Control fire would work

[lusty kelp]

Produce Flame, the druid cantrip, likely as well

[limber trail]

bonfire probably too

[marble lion]

By not attacking the food with it and instead just hovering it near

[limber trail]

wall of fire is probably overkill

[jovial shadow]

Maybe

[limber trail]

and ends too soon too

[lusty kelp]

depends on how big of a barbeque you're having

[jovial shadow]

Roasted Cloud Giant? Yum

[woven flint]

Meteor Swarm to heat up my left over steak

[knotty pasture]

Sacred Flame for that seasoning

[lusty kelp]

Nah, you use Meteor Swarm to tenderize and defrost the meat~

[undone rain]

Hmm im thinking of what i should multiclass my paladin with

[knotty pasture]

Like basically any cha class works

[jovial shadow]

Multiclass Pally? Sacrilege.

[undone rain]

I am thinking either bard or warlock

[winged flare]

I’m imagining holding a steak in your hand being too lazy or not knowing how to cook

[undone rain]

Why warlock? Flavor

[lusty kelp]

Warlock (oathbreaker) on a pally is kinda funny

[undone rain]

Well do i have news for you

[lusty kelp]

You can have a little bit of oathbreaking as a treat

[limber trail]

fighter/paladin is always fun

[iron herald]

Warlock would work well mechanically, and there's always the Celestial patron if you want to stay fully good.

[woven flint]

Paladin..
Just pure Pally 😎

[lusty kelp]

Multiclass paladin with more paladin~ Genius!

[woven flint]

You don't have to be evil to deal with fiends

Being a Fiend Warlock isn't a strictly evil thing

[iron herald]

True, it's all contextual.

[limber trail]

you would know wouldn't you

[undone rain]

For some clarification, i have a cursed greatsword and within this greatsword is some entity that basicallt turns me into the dark urge in bg3. Which well made me become an oathbreaker after a massacre. Now im thinkin this entity could give me warlock powers

[lusty kelp]

Yes, that's exactly what our PR department says too~

[woven flint]

Is Artanza evil?

[knotty pasture]

Wyll of bg3 is right there when it comes to a lawful good fiend warlock

[limber trail]

probably not

maybe he is now

[woven flint]

Damn right!
His Deity is the God of Inspiration...
And maybe he's inspired to study the fiendish being in the bag!

[limber trail]

ok well what if you werent inspired to do that

[undone rain]

Warlock patrons are flavor town

We do already have a bard in the party so warlock it is

[woven flint]

Okay, well

You're smelly

[limber trail]

nuh uh

[woven flint]

I hope Hokrun dies so I can revive him 😎

[lusty kelp]

warlock flavors - infernalism, witchcraft, occultism, heresy, necromancy, BEEG BLADE, dead god. Take your pick

[limber trail]

impossible

[iron herald]

My upcoming warlock doesn't really have a patron exactly, my DM has his own setting and I don't know if anything specific would fit. But if there's some kind of King Enma figure, that'd be a good option for an Oni.

[undone rain]

Well as i said my cursed greatsword has an entity trapped inside it

[woven flint]

My Aaracokra Fiend Warlock took on his Father's Pact after he perished, the was part of the contract, each first child of each generation would be the inheritor of the pact until it was paid off

He, however, decided to cut the pact short by fighting his Patron in a Duel and actually managing to win

Then he was blessed! Overcoming such odds and was reclassed into a Divine Soul Sorcerer because a Celestial liked his style

He then died many sessions later fighting a lich

[fossil hollow]

i need to add to the death list

[woven flint]

K'ura was an Awesome lad
Taken too soon

[fossil hollow]

The DM bloodlust fills me greatly tonight

[limber trail]

hokrun is ready

[fossil hollow]

Body, Soul, and Mind?

[woven flint]

Looks at Malaketh... Looks at Lockpick

[limber trail]

sure

[fossil hollow]

i dont think im getting them anytime soon

[plush ermine]

What can be given to the open hand monk as an out of combat ability, cus they are the only monk 24 subclass wo one.

[woven flint]

Well, maybe not Malaketh, I've got a fun idea for him when he fully attunes to his Artifact

[woven flint]

So the party of Malaketh doesn't see: ||I plan on him Shape-Changing into an Adult Spirit Dragon to raise his daughter proper||

[limber trail]

monks already have tons of out of combat utility as is. Fantastic at stealth & mobility. Also consider, presumably this open hand monk has chosen to play an open hand monk, knowing they don't have any out of combat utility. Imo if you choose to play a class without that utility, you don't need to be given extras

[austere carbon]

do they go over how to make puzzles in the dungeon master's guide?

[white delta]

My players can't play again today cause of schedule they said

[livid echo]

this is probably a stupid question but if you just join a campaign and instantly the vibe is off is it rude to duck out and try another group?

I paid for 4 sessions so ima try 3 more times but if it stays like this i might try another group. its got some seriously evil player characters and idk how i feel about a game with evil being allowed

[fossil hollow]

a little bit. Xanathar's guide and tasha are more in depth

[austere carbon]

thanks

[woven flint]

||Oh, Yeah, he's gonna True Polymorph ... but Adult Spirit Dragons also get Shape change, so he could be himself at any time 😉||

[severe rampart]

Darn you scheduling issues!

[white delta]

The real final boss

[fossil hollow]

|| is this as soon as you reach level 15, or is this more of an epilogue thing? not sure how i feel about a permanent cr 15 lmao ||

[limber trail]

To put it a different way, part of character creation is choosing what features you want to get with your limited set of options. If you don’t take a feature with out of combat utility, you’ve made a trade off, and so giving them something for nothing is invalidating that trade off for them and the other players

[limber trail]

||It would be level 17 no?||

[fossil hollow]

artifact can be used to cast a 9th level spell per day, since its one charge per level, total 9

[white delta]

Planning on running a one player one DM campaign cause only one guy could come today, idk if I should ngl. I mean I can insert the others into the story later on but like...

[woven flint]

||It's gonna be my way of possibly retiring him after fighting Oroboros, maybe, because after fighting all these dragons, he's probably going to realize just how much his daughter really needs him to be a good influence||

[fossil hollow]

yee

[limber trail]

Intriguing

[woven flint]

Different campaign, dunno why I'm specifically talking about it here, but I was too lazy to move to dms

[limber trail]

I was referring to someone else lol

[fossil hollow]

me

[limber trail]

Also not you

[fossil hollow]

you pinged me >:(

[hushed mason]

Me?

[woven flint]

Well...
Blehhhh!

The ladylay appears!

[limber trail]

Oh wait no this was about the artifact

[winged flare]

Could you fish with lighting lure to catch a fish near the surface ?

[limber trail]

Yeah I knew that was a different campaign

[fossil hollow]

if you can see it, and its within range

[winged flare]

Awesome

[wide pumice]

Not stupid at all this is super normal to think about. Honestly, if the vibe is off and it’s making you uncomfortable it’s totally fine to step back. RPGs are supposed to be fun not stressful. You already have a plan to try a few more sessions which is smart it gives you a fair shot. But if after that it’s still not clicking, leaving for another group isn’t rude it’s just you looking out for your own enjoyment.

[hushed mason]

To avoid being rude, just don't ghost them.

If it is a paid game, provide constructive feedback. You might even be able to get a refund.

[livid echo]

kk ty both of you I will give it an honest try and if it doesnt work out I will let the dm know I am leaving in a respectful way.

i want to enjoy the campaign and the players themselves are really nice but when we are shooting little kids through the neck because they are a con artist and party has to persuade the guard not to kill us....

it adds a bad taste to my mouth

[hushed mason]

I had a player join yesterday, and I get the feeling they're not going to be a good fit.

Ah. The harming of children is one of my "the characters do not..." rules.

[limber trail]

I usually think if you really dislike a game and it’s clear it’s not a great fit, no harm in tapping out and trying somewhere else

But also, talk to your DM! Voice some complaints and try see if some ground rules can be set

[broken imp]

this is so appropriate compared to what my party of new players tried to do as their backstory

[hushed mason]

I have two clear "do not" rules: the players do not harm children (unless they're obvioulsy trying to kill you), and the players do not engage in SA.

THen I ask the table if they have any hard boundries.

[livid echo]

well thanks again all I will give it the whole 4 sessions and I think I will send a discord message to the dungeon master (their not in this group just have our own campaign discord group) and voice my concerns and if either the dugeon master is not receptive to feedback or the group gets worse I will ditch early.

I think this is a reasonable effort on my part.

[undone rain]

Very reasonable rules, they should be standard tbh

[hushed mason]

It gets tricky with things like young dragons.

Yuan-ti eggs.

[fossil hollow]

making the mother of all omlettes here lady, cant fret over every egg

[woven flint]

I'm all for Sparing young dragons, even the ones that have potential to cause harm

All young creatures are deserving at a shot in life

[marble lion]

In FR, chromatic dragons?
Death

I could maybe see it for literal hatchlings but im not sure how much "raising them right" does with creatures that seemingly have a metaphysically imposed alignment

[fossil hollow]

thankfully, it aint fr

[marble lion]

Ah fair then

Yeah im all for protecting life usually

[hushed mason]

In my setting, chromatic dragons are almost always evil; metallic are almost always not. In this case, it was a bronze dragon that had been raised by yuan-ti from hatching. It was very evil, and it attacked the group.

[woven flint]

It doesn't matter to him if they're "raised right" it matters that every creature can eventually make their own choices and experiences can change a perspective

[hushed mason]

Yeah, my setting is definitely more 3.5 in terms of dragon alignment. Much more black and white.

[feral fulcrum]

I'm not against certain creatures being Inherently evil regardless of their experiences. Because some things make zero sense being good. "Why yes every sentient being is my food source, and I physically can't see you as a real person. Of course I'm evil."

[hushed mason]

Yuan-ti see all non yuan-ti as potential food. 🙂

[fossil hollow]

i thought it was more sacrifices

[hushed mason]

That too.

[swift oar]

Is there online dnd sessions?

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[swift oar]

Thank

[meager fractal]

Is fireball even that good of an option for a level 5 wizard

[fossil hollow]

its overtuned and confirmed to have been made to be that good. when not fighting fire elementals or devils

[meager fractal]

Seems like by level 5 the wizard should be doing more than reducing enemies to 0 hp

[fossil hollow]

sometimes damage is the answer

[empty thicket]

true, but if the horde of goblins dont want to speak, welp....

[fossil hollow]

but yes, a wizard always has more spells; theyre a wizard for ao's sake

[burnt valley]

Its decent, you should be taking Sleet Storm

[empty thicket]

and i wont ask any caster to cast Calm in all of them to solve things pecefully.

[fossil hollow]

what are you, a trust fund sorceror who relies on their bloodline to cast, or a sugar barby warlock who needs a short rest after 18 seconds? /hj

[empty thicket]

or a junkie that is connected with "nature" like druid? /Jk

[woven flint]

I'm not against it either, but I wouldn't feel good about killing a Young Dragon tbh lmao

[undone rain]

It would be so easy to become a wizard irl, get a flashlight and you got divine light

[fossil hollow]

what if i made them emo and teenage rebellious

[feral fulcrum]

And lucky for you, Wizard's have many spells, and can prepare lots of them. And thus frequently has a tool for every situation.

THe most worthless spell I've taken so far is Cat Nap for our Warlock...who never casts spells.

I've used it once in 3 years. 🙁

[burnt valley]

You should be focusing on control spells anyway

[fossil hollow]

virgin cat nap, chad prayer of healing

[feral fulcrum]

Or focusing on what spells they find fun.

[marble lion]

The wizard should do whats most fun

If playing in the kind of environment where you should do the best thing in combat, fireball will probably often be a lesser choice

[feral fulcrum]

"I didn't ask where the team is, I said I cast fireball."

[oak mist]

It is the first truly damaging spell a mage gets, so YES it is that good of an option. Besides, if your mage just happens to be say CN then even his "friends" know better than to be in that 10'x10' room the monsters just ran into......j/s.

[woven flint]

I just had a revelation

Or, really, just learned something new

Werewyverns are a thing

[feral fulcrum]

There's probably alot of Were-Things.

[burnt valley]

So this is where the whole squishy caster schtick comes from

[burnt valley]

They did ask for something that does anything besides damage 🤷‍♂️

[woven flint]

I know
But Werewyverns are something I expected the least in D&D lol

[rotund crystal]

Hey just want some advice. What the best map website for dnd to be able to create maps.

[feral fulcrum]

Well it's not a Website, I feel compelled to mention Foundry as definitely one of the most Competent and feature rich VTT's.

[oak mist]

I'm kind of partial to No 2 and 1/4" graph, but that's just me....

[fleet cedar]

Who here plays dnd

[iron herald]

Nobody, we all just theorycraft here while complaining that there aren't enough DMs.

(Kidding, I'm in a campaign currently.)

[limber trail]

Are you looking for battlemaps or for world maps?

[echo burrow]

Trying to get accepted into a campaign is like trying to find a job lmaooo

[limber trail]

so to jump in here with a DM's perspective, every time I post an ad, it gets 20+ responses, sometimes I've gotten 30+. It does kinda suck the way that lfg posts go, but for someone like me, I physically cannot accept every player, and so yeah I do need to pick out the best players somehow

[echo burrow]

No that’s so valid honestly

This server is pretty huge. What kind of players do you encounter?

[rotund crystal]

More or less battle map, for session 1 im planning of getting my players to break someone out of prison and theres alot of enemies

[limber trail]

in my posts, i've found all sorts of players. I've spoken to veteran DMs looking to jump on the other side of the DM screen, I've had people who have only ever played. I've spoken to crunchy combat heavy players, RPers, young players, old players, new players, everything

[tame estuary]

ones that don't really agree with my way of DMing lol

[limber trail]

dungeonscrawl is a pretty good free option if you want free and don't mind your maps looking a little plain

[tame estuary]

it's weird, you know the newer players they expect something different from the game itself, so they're kinda testing the waters to see if this is what they want to spend their weekend night on. older players expect something different too, they know what they want

[remote wadi]

I don't think you can try to use Hide action in Fog, can you?

And even if you could, I think that Rope Trick would be much better to work with since that could very likely be considered at least light obscurement

[limber trail]

fog makes you heavily obscured, so you can use the hide action yeah

[knotty pasture]

I don't think anything's stopping you from hiding in fog, also Fog Cloud is a level 1 spell

Level 2 spell slots should be saved for PWT as much as possible

[remote wadi]

I'm pretty sure with my table having 1-2 battles a day, I can save something for PWT

But to counterpoint the cost difference, I get Rope Trick with gloomstalker. I would need to use one of my 4 known spell slots for Fog Cloud

[limber trail]

it was really interesting in the earlier days of my campaign when I was less specific with the kinds of players I was looking for, seeing all the different kinds of folks who could have been my players. Would have been running a much more combat-heavy version of the campaign as opposed to how I'm running it now.

[knotty pasture]

You can dump Cordon of Arrows

[remote wadi]

That was the plan. Just wanted to ask chat if it was the best idea

[tame estuary]

fog cloud is fun

fits ranger really well

you can even skip combat alltogether with it, the most optimized strategy of all time

[humble cairn]

I mean, they are just as impaired by Fog Cloud as anyone else until they get their Blindsight

[remote wadi]

One other reason to generally steer clear of fog cloud: it would be really hard to cast it in the middle of battle

With CBE, I need to use 2 weapons to benefit from the BA attack. Problem is, Fog Cloud is somatic, HM is not

[tame estuary]

you can grab a weapon as part of an attack

cast it first, on your second turn grab a weapon while attacking

[remote wadi]

Wouldn't dropping and picking it back up be a free action for each? I would imagine so, at least

[humble cairn]

Dropping yes, picking up no.

[soft void]

Hey idk if this is the right channel but ive never played a day in my life and want to learn can someone help me

[tame estuary]

a free action is a different thing than equipping a weapon as part of an attack

#dnd-newcomers

[humble cairn]

Even on a turn where you don't use your Attack Action you still have one free stow.

[limber trail]

free actions technically don't exist, people just use them to refer to things that don't require an action

[tame estuary]

no, you have 1 object interaction action. commonly referred to as a free action

[remote wadi]

Anyways, I have a more important question

[humble cairn]

Yes that's the actual term for it, and you can use that to stow a weapon.

[remote wadi]

What martial ranged weapon can benefit from CBE aside from just a second hand crossbow?

[tame estuary]

well you don't need to stow a weapon on your first turn anyhow, the turn you'd want to use foc cloud

[tame estuary]

it should say on the feat

[remote wadi]

It says that you would need to make an attack with a one handed weapon. But are there any other good one handed ranged weapons aside from another hand crossbow?

[knotty pasture]

No

Besides pistols I suppose but that's not covered by CBE

[remote wadi]

So then I guess I have 2 different ways of fighting depending on situations

[humble cairn]

Daggers for Nick isn't bad.

[knotty pasture]

Darts and slings too? But not covered by CBE either

[tame estuary]

I thought cbe specifically says you can do it with crossbows?

that's why I was angry that they didn't reprint gunner

[humble cairn]

Ahh, but Nick competes with CBE, I see.

[remote wadi]

If stealth is possible with Skulker, attack with the heavy crossbow with advantage shot, normal shot, BA hide (Rope Trick could help with this)

If space and stealth is limited, then just CBE with 2 hand crossbows and HM

[limber trail]

the feat says it's specifically just hand crossbows

[tame estuary]

rope trick?

[remote wadi]

That's for what can make the BA. but i wanted to ask what options you had for the other weapon that was ranged

[tame estuary]

what kind of white room scenario is this

[remote wadi]

Gloomstalker

[humble cairn]

How are you using Rope Trick in the middle of combat? Making it so it's only 5ft from the floor and the jumping up into it? That's kinda shenanigans.

[burnt valley]

Conjure total cover (nothing stops you from briefly peeking out of the portal to shoot then going back in)

[midnight hare]

Howdy, just joined

[limber trail]

going off of the fact that bloodline is referring to the 2014 version of CBE, I assume we're not using 2024 stuff like masteries

[glass granite]

Welcome!

[remote wadi]

I could always use it first turn and climb up to it. But this is probably for open area combat

[humble cairn]

Ahh dangit, it's this Gloomstalker again. I'm gonna end up having to block Bloodline just so I don't trick myself into talking about this character again.

[tame estuary]

do you usually do open area combat?

[remote wadi]

2014, yes

[remote wadi]

Blend of both, for the most part

[tame estuary]

if my players starts conjuring instant cover I'm gonna be mad

[remote wadi]

It's not about the campaign, I'm just asking if my plans are thought out well. You can relax

[tame estuary]

wow, +2 to their AC at all times

incredible use of resources

[limber trail]

what are they using for the cover?

[tame estuary]

rope trick

[glass granite]

I’m assuming it’s cuz this character has been discussed to death

[remote wadi]

Well, there are always new plans to be found. Not trying to cause trouble

[tame estuary]

at this point blood, you're the only one having fun talking about this character

[glass granite]

And also, talking about a character should be in #character-discussion

[tame estuary]

because when we say one thing you change it and now we feel bad because we feel ignored

[burnt valley]

"Attacks, spells, and other effects can't pass into or out of the space, but creatures inside it can see through the portal."

[tame estuary]

oh that's really good actually

imma make the enemies do that

[limber trail]

it also means they can't attack out

[burnt valley]

Nothing stops you from peeking out briefly btw

[tame estuary]

nah just climb out with your movement

[limber trail]

actually true yeah

[remote wadi]

Someone suggested Fog Cloud, I told them why I didn't pick Fog Cloud. Advice is appreciated, but just because it is given doesn't mean I am mandated to follow it

I can be thankful for advice given without taking it

[remote wadi]

That was the plan if I had to keep my distance. Especially because I have full climbing speed now

[tame estuary]

please stay in that table actually

I think it will make you happier every week

[burnt valley]

Myowwas getting hostile for no reason 🥀

[limber trail]

wait do rangers even get rope trick

[remote wadi]

Gloomstalker lvl 5

[tame estuary]

gloomstalker

[limber trail]

ah

[remote wadi]

Was about to ask something else, but I'll just do it later. Probably for the best

[glass granite]

?
Well if you say so

[remote wadi]

Got work again soon. But if you wanted to really know about it, I'll dm you

[knotty pasture]

Doomed, detected and caught

[burnt valley]

Is it good practice to request for open rolls from the DM?

[glass granite]

For everything or?

Cuz stuff like enemy stealth kinda need to be rolled behind the screens

[burnt valley]

Specifically for ones like attack rolls, saving throws or skill checks

[glass granite]

Skill checks? The DM doesn’t do too many of those
And again, enemy stealth when ambushing should be done hidden
But the rest sure

[burnt valley]

Just ensuring nothing gets fudged

[cerulean monolith]

Sometimes the DM needs to roll things privately to keep the game going. Sometimes these things are surprises. If there’s a rule that the DM only rolls in private when it’s a surprise, that defeats the purpose

[limber trail]

you can ask, but the DM reserves the right to roll privately

[glass granite]

Oh yeah some saving throws have to be done in private
Suggestion for example

[limber trail]

sometimes that's not for the purposes of fudging, but just to keep it unclear that they're even rolling, or they're not making it clear if they do or don't fail a save, or they just want some tension

[glass granite]

Some spells don’t give an immediately obvious visual confirmation that you succeed

[limber trail]

Why are you concerned your DM is fudging rolls?

Because I'll say broadly speaking, most of the times I hear of a DM fudging dice, it's in the player's favour

[burnt valley]

It's more of a general question like whether its right to request something like it for every DM

[glass granite]

You have every right to ask

-# and the DM Has every right to refuse

But alas, if you want something, you have to communicate it, so go ahead

[limber trail]

I do say this as someone who's taken to rolling publicly more

it's a lot of fun

sometimes you gotta make those roles privately

and sometimes you do want to be able to roll privately

[burnt valley]

It doesn't feel right for me

[limber trail]

plenty of DMs don't

as with everything, it's fine to have a conversation

and maybe your DM will oblige, maybe they won't

[tame estuary]

fudging the dice so that I save 2 minutes

[burnt valley]

The idea of a roll result potentially being different to what the DM actually says, makes me more sus of them tbh

[burnt valley]

Alrighty

[limber trail]

valid to be sus

part of the reason we roll privately is for an air of tension and some amount of even mistrust

maybe mistrust is the wrong word but suspense for sure

it's a conversation to have with your DM and group

[oak mist]

As was said earlier, most often times I have heard of a DM fudging a role it is in the favor of the players. So if it's "sus" that the DM would rather let the players succeed in something or to not die, then let it be sus and don't complain.

[glass granite]

Some people want the authenticity and transparency, it’s perfectly fine to ask

[stiff rock]

I've only ever fudged in oneshots where stakes are lower and the actual result of the d20 would push the session on too long. I wouldn't ruin the authenticity of a full campaign

[delicate mango]

Is there a spell that I could cast with glyph of warding that would mark someone or reveal their identity? Like they walk into the area and glyph goes off, then the target gets marked, or the caster knows who the target is? (5th edition)

[limber trail]

I fudged a bit more when I was starting out, when it came to HP and hit rolls and saves and the like. These days, I run all my fights RAW

[stiff rock]

Zone of truth?

They enter, "who are you and what do you do?"

[limber trail]

I do think as a new DM you get some leeway, you don't necessarily know everything and balance is a tough thing to figure out

[delicate mango]

I meant "mark" not "make".

[limber trail]

I've definitely fallen victim to starting an encounter and realizing after the fact that it's way undercooked in my earlier days

[tame estuary]

I struggle with balance

[delicate mango]

I would also like to be able to make use of the spell if the caster isn't around, that's why I would use glyph of warding.

[tame estuary]

I fix it now by just playing fast and playing loose, let the players feel like a badass

[stiff rock]

If you're the DM, there's nothing wrong with homebrewing it

[stiff rock]

I don't know many DMs who balance perfectly, it's a fine art

[tame estuary]

why wouldn't the players just use their regular attacks instead of their spells? because spells are funnier that's why

[limber trail]

maybe some kind of detect thoughts?

[stiff rock]

Glyph of detecting thoughts lol

[glass granite]

You can set the glyph to cast zone of truth
I think I’m misunderstanding

[tame estuary]

I used to ban spirit guardians, now if someone picks spirit guardians, I'm gonna bring like 20 zombies on the field lmao

make it a scene instead of a combat encounter

[undone rain]

A funny helmet for a kenku would be a full enclosing helmet with a beak on the visor

[stiff rock]

Glyph of warding and contingency, with scrying or detect thoughts?

[delicate mango]

The idea is a automatic trigger to mark someone (or tell me who it is) for doing something they're not supposed to. Like a ring doorbell, a camera, or a motion detector. Ideally I would be able to adventure and still be notified who was tresspasssing on my land, or at least have an easy way to identify the person.

[stiff rock]

Best way could just be a glyph of warding with sending as an attached spell, I don't think there's any way to identify who's in your house

Or message

[delicate mango]

How would sending work? I could just tell whoever it is to leave? I can't do anything akin to hunter's mark?

[stiff rock]

My assumption was that the glyph would send a message to you saying "there is somebody in your house, go there now!" To which you could respond by using word of recall or something

Which would teleport you back to your house

I don't think RAW there's any magical all-in-one home defence spell

[delicate mango]

I was hoping for more of splashing magical invisible ink on someone, then just telling me that there's someone there.

[delicate mango]

I don't want defense, just to be able to find the person easier afterwards.

[stiff rock]

Okay, hear me out

[limber trail]

funnily enough, hex or hunter's mark would work

[delicate mango]

Like hunter's mark, or that one spell warlocks get.

[stiff rock]

Three glyphs, first one has zone of truth. Second has magic mouth and asks its name, third one has sending and sends their name to you. You cast scrying

[delicate mango]

Yeah, but I would need to be a ranger, or get the feat, if ranger has one.

[stiff rock]

Though zone of truth only works like 50% of the time lol

[delicate mango]

They don't have to answer though.

[limber trail]

fey touched lets you grab hex / hunter's mark

[stiff rock]

It would be very polite to

[delicate mango]

That would work even if I was 1000s of feet away?

5e btw

[limber trail]

if you used glyph of warding probably

[delicate mango]

ok

[limber trail]

actually

no it wouldn't and for a very silly reason

[delicate mango]

los?

[limber trail]

you do not technically prepare spells from that feat, which means that you can't cast them with glyph of warding

glyph of warding needs it to be a prepared spell

[delicate mango]

Actually? I thought sorcerers got access to that spell

[stiff rock]

Sorc doesn't get hunter's mark

[delicate mango]

I know that...

I'm talking about GoW

[stiff rock]

What he means is that the spell you put into the glyph has to be a prepared spell

[delicate mango]

Right

I know this too

[stiff rock]

So what was this remark in response to?

[delicate mango]

Sorcerers have known spells, not prepared spells, so if they do in fact get access to GoW, then they wouldn't be able to use it very well.

[stiff rock]

I actually didn't know that lol

[delicate mango]

This is assuming GoW works as this person says, and that sorcerers to get the spell

[stiff rock]

2024 says it has to be prepared unfortunately

[dark fiber]

Yo ngl. My most favorite moment in D&D is that. We had a session and the world was completely limbus company.

Funnest time of my life

[humble cairn]

Basically all casters in 2024 use the "prepare" terminology.

Both Legacy and current Glyph of Warding require the spells to be prepared. Hmm ..

But it is on the Bard spell list in both places, meaning 2014 Bard technically could not use the spell storing feature of the spell.

[delicate mango]

Crazy

[fleet seal]

I’ve been seeing in the looking for players tab people saying form submitted? Can someone explain that to me please?

I’ve only ever done campaigns with friends irl and people I already know online

[limber trail]

Sorcerers technically know all of their spells, and at the level up they choose which spells to prepare. (Iirc)

[harsh dragon]

I'm just curious. Have you guys met any players who despite playing for 5+ years, still does not develop any tactical skill or instincts?

[limber trail]

They exist. They’re out there. They live their best lives

[harsh dragon]

Okay so I'm not the only one who's facing this

Is there an easy way to teach them combat tactics?

Or should I just let them play however they wish?

[tame estuary]

honestly, lower your difficulty

add explosive barrels that's distictively labeled 'explosives'

[limber trail]

If they haven’t learned in five years they probably don’t have an interest in learning and that’s okay

[tame estuary]

if they aren't using magic items they have, put gimmick items on the combat field

if they aren't using good spells, put spell scrolls

[humble cairn]

Yes, because for some people mastery of the system is not what they find fun about D&D.

As much as it may rankle other people. This is why Session 0 is important. You need to establish expectations about a campaign before playing with the group.

[burnt valley]

https://formofdread.wordpress.com/2025/04/08/a-few-simple-dd-5e-skill-tests-for-an-optimized-party/

[humble cairn]

You should have a discussion with them. If it's something that detracts from your fun, that is an issue. But if that's how they want to play and being pressured to "get better" would detract from their fun .. well, either compromises must be made somewhere or your play styles just don't match.

[harsh dragon]

Yeah something came up 2 sessions ago. We had 4 characters in the party and were surrounded on 3 sides by 10 enemies. His paladin charged far ahead and got himsself surrounded by 3 meleers and 2 ranged attackers while the remaining 5 opponents blocked the rest of us. Naturally he went down after a round, having been focus fired upon. We tossed a bunch of emergency heal on him and hollered for him to come back. On his turn, he jokingly said he heard the opposite and moved farther away. That really pissed off the three of us and we had a long discussion.

[humble cairn]

Follow the rules here: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/creating-a-character

[harsh dragon]

Since then he's been second guessing his every action, asking us what he should do.

[knotty pasture]

He should go with the flow, apply game sense

[real thunder]

The dnd beyond character creator should do alot of that for you, u just have to fill in all the boxes

[harsh dragon]

That's the thing, after talking to him and trying to show him a few basics, he doesn't seem to have any game sense at all. He charged ahead because he thought that is what a tank should do. He doesn't smite on criticals because he thought it was overkill when the opponent wasn't even bloodied after getting hit by 2 rounds of attacks by all 4 of us.

At the same time we also don't want to be controlling his character because it is his. He should be the one who decides what to do.

[timid current]

let him play, he'll figure it out

[humble cairn]

First off just to establish something, this is bothering the rest of the party, right?

[harsh dragon]

Previously with 2014 rules and us mainly playing in tier 1-2 campaigns, it didn't matter that much because 2014 is pretty much D&D in easy mode. We're in a 11-20 (currently lvl 13) campaign and using 2024 monsters so things are a lot harder, so yes we kind of need him to brush up a bit. His initial level 11 oath of devotion paladin build was dishing out aroun 13-15 dpr because he opted for a longsword+shield, went charisma and dexterity heavy and was refusing to use his oath of devotion skills because he wanted to conserve them. We had to give him a lot of hints and encouragement before he now dishes out 35 dpr

We don't need him to be super tactical, but it would be nice if he understood things like not getting into the middle of a pack of enemies and preventing the casters from aoeing them

[knotty pasture]

Surely if he's playing that poorly, natural selection would have taken him out sooner or later?

[tame estuary]

so here's the thing

if he doesn't want to use spell slots now, take it away later

have enemies that eats spell slots

or you know, if he really wants to play like that, facilitate it, make your players feel badass for their choice, if he wants to rush forwards and tank, make that rewarding

have chokepoints and cover

[limber trail]

Coolest enemy I ever saw was one which, when it hits you, deals damage equal to the highest spell level you’re holding on to. That’s a fun one to get them to reconsider the spells they’re holding on to

[devout mica]

Can anyone play dnd

[idle oar]

Pretty much - just need to be able to read the game rules and have a group to play with. Character sheets or some way to track player characters. Dice can be digital or physical. And then a way to communicate with the rest of the group playing.

[harsh dragon]

For our group, we have several DMs and we take turns. Some DMs run with kid gloves, some don't. But yes, his characters have died more than the rest of us

[knotty pasture]

He hasn't picked up on the fact that he has a skill issue?

[opal wharf]

Skill issue ? Very judgy there

[harsh dragon]

Previously he was a bit of a weird one who didn't chat with us at all even though we have our own discord group. IRL he's a musician, a creative and wasn't really interested in combat and more interested in the roleplaying aspect of D&D. So he only played martials. In combat, just attacked what we attack. I think he didn't realize how much he loved D&D until our group stopped playing for about a year after covid ended. That's when he finally opened up more to us and told us he tried DMing for a bunch of friends but it went terribly. He was really happy when we reformed our group of players. Now that he realized he likes playing D&D, I guess maybe he is finally trying to take it more seriously and trying to learn?

He did play a ranger once, but all he did was lobbed arrows and cast pass without trace so this is truly the first time he is playing a half-caster

[tame estuary]

just ask?

if you're not fine that he keeps dying all the time, talk about it

I have a friend who for the longest time has a player that always play a "funny" build, the funny here is making incompotent characters stat-wise

[harsh dragon]

Yeah now that he has expressed an interest to learn we have been trying to advice him, but we're still handling him with kid gloves. He keeps forgetting our advice and hints. Like dashing far ahead, we've repeatedly mentioned that multiple times.

But he still does it occasionally.

[tame estuary]

in person or online?

[harsh dragon]

He's somewhat like your friend. Like I mentioned, his initial level 11 paladin build had 13-15 damage per round.

Online, our group of players are scattered around the world.

[tame estuary]

clicker training

jokes aside, if he wants to, he'd get better

[harsh dragon]

We've found that we can advice him on builds, but when it comes to tactics.. its often situational. There isn't many one size fits all strategies that we can teach him in an easy way other than give very general guidelines

[tame estuary]

there's also merit to playing a less complex system or playing at a lower level

you could also do a body switch episode lol

man that would be the dream, I want to run that

[burnt valley]

Teach them going melee will give the enemies more opportunity to maul them

Ranged is king in 5e

[harsh dragon]

Not with 2024 rules, which is what we're playing

[burnt valley]

It applies to both 5e and 2024

[burnt valley]

Force divider 😭

[knotty pasture]

Ranged is also way safer, he's doing something by virtue of existing + spamming crossbow shots at the back

[burnt valley]

Sticking with the casters at the back also puts them within the Aura of Protection range without having to get close in melee

I recommend he takes 2 or 3 levels of Undead Warlock

[harsh dragon]

Okay the conversation has strayed, I'm out.

[glass granite]

Hi out I’m Nugget

[lyric viper]

*2014 and 2024. Really would prefer folk not make it any more confusing for newer players coming into this chat.

[severe rampart]

I think my bard has a pretty good chance of beating that enemy (highest spell is a 2d8, as a level 8)

[limber trail]

it is based on the level of the spell, not the damage of the spell

something like 1d6 force for each level of spell slot you've got stored for the heighest spell

so an extra 4d6 if you're holding on to your 4th level slot

[severe rampart]

Okay, well I'm dead

[undone rain]

Im thinking of maybe playing a bard when our campaign is done. Any suggestions for stat focusing

[severe rampart]

Charisma 100%

you can forget other stats, Charisma is where it's at, that's why it has the most spellcasters /j

[humble cairn]

How do you feel about having one member of the party actually calling the shots like a tactician? In character.

[burnt valley]

Wisdom first then Con and Dex

[knotty pasture]

You mean Cha right

[silk hare]

Cha first, then Con, then Dex (at least 14 if possible) and rest WIS imo

but that is debatable depending on your magical secrets choices

[knotty pasture]

I like 12 int 10 wis 8 str after the three main stats myself, just for skill checks

Bard's so far behind that its unlikely going to be hit with spells that require wis saves

[silk hare]

tbh Id swap wis and int

bc int doesnt net you as much, Wis is a common ST, + perception checks

[silk hare]

still more uses than int imo

just on the off chance bc there at least IS a chance it MIGHT prove useful

[knotty pasture]

Yea its a preference thing, both work

[silk hare]

true true 🤝

[livid slate]

I started a campaign as a gm and introduced a horse sellor that sold " special " horses, they immediately killed him but kept the horses alive so I was wondering what I do with them?
Turning the horses into a boss or a random NPC that appears everywhere would be so funny

[humble cairn]

Did they take the horses?

[livid slate]

Nope left them behind

Dont ask me i have no idea what the course of action was 😭?

[still plover]

Did the guy run the whole stable himself, or did he have help?

[livid slate]

It was a travelling merchant with just two horses by himself

The party ran into them, shot him in the leg, and headshot

[knotty pasture]

Infected by the undead, they became zombie horses

Then they somehow found a zombie wandering about, the zombie got on the zombie horse, and tada you have a zombie jockey

[livid slate]

You want me to make a zombie riding a "special" zombified horse 😭?

[undone rain]

My bard has over 19 ac

[knotty pasture]

Yes

[undone rain]

Chicken jockeeey

[still plover]

Those horses are lost to the party and become mounts of other folk. Or run off and make new lives in the wilds, or are eaten by a manticore.

[livid slate]

It's funnier to hVe them interact with the party tho ;-;

[silk hare]

so do you know that greek fable about the guy with the man eating horses?

[livid slate]

No?....

[silk hare]

right, the "mares of diomedes"

[livid slate]

Let me google it....

[silk hare]

it was one of the herkulean tasks to clean out their stable,... without getting eaten :))

at least iirc

[livid slate]

...

[silk hare]

they CAN keep them, but A: theyll constantly try to eat the party, B: theyll try to eat other people if they are going to a town etc

they dont know that yet tho :=)

[livid slate]

Are you offering I make my party do the task?

[silk hare]

no, Im suggesting the party now has man eating horses

that they have to deal with and that they will eventually fight

[livid slate]

I kinda like that idea so why not both

[ember sandal]

what did I just walk into??

[silk hare]

man eating horses inspired by greek mythology :)))

[livid slate]

I make them go on a side quest to clean there at all so they get the horses, just for the horses to keep trying to eat them

[severe rampart]

... okay

[ember sandal]

also do you mind if I put this in one of my quote books?

[silk hare]

no, go for it lmao

[livid slate]

I think your statement was too traumatizing

[ember sandal]

ty!

[silk hare]

take it up with the greeks on that one, they had lots of fun stories :))

especially the herkulean tasks can be a bit... cruel + have nice story implications

[severe rampart]

Man eating horses? Didn't know they were into Equine Meat

[livid slate]

Theres worse?.

[silk hare]

e.g. the "theft" of cerberus/ the walking of cerberus which polluted the environment and gave birth to some poisonous flowers

[severe rampart]

So much worse

[livid slate]

Bro-

[silk hare]

aka no guardian of the underworld anymore

[glass granite]

“I’m so hungry I could eat a horse, but my horse is so hungry he could eat me”

[silk hare]

yeah thats the tame stuff, theres all kinds of fun things, monsters, damsels in distress, zeus who plays a role in both of those stories

[livid slate]

Oh someone told me about zeus turning into a bird to....

[silk hare]

oh theres also a nice story about apollo (god of sun and music and medicine) who was such an uber stalker that the girl he was stalking prayed to her father (a minor god) to turn her into a tree instead

[silk hare]

yes, theres about 102481740 of those stories xD

[livid slate]

Fr?????

I only know these stories from Ror

[ember sandal]

I'm speechless, I didn't realize the Greeks were that interesting

[shrewd grotto]

there are no common/uncommon items that give +1 to wis or dex, right?

[silk hare]

thats how u got the whole laurel plant stuff (that was her name)

and thats the reason u see depictions of laurel crowns around, bc thats what appollo did after

she was now a laurel plant, he still wanted to stay close to her and took some of her leaves

[ember sandal]

ah, okay

[silk hare]

oh theres a LOT of cool stuff, you should look into some of the stories

[ember sandal]

I might just

[silk hare]

e.g. theres one in which a person kidnapped death and chained him up under his bed

for years

he later got got by the lord of the underworld tho (who is a different god) and now has the eternal task of rolling a stone up a hill, and once he is close to the top it rolls back down

theres another one of a guy that managed to get the gods to like him and bless him and get invited into their dining hall, some stuff happened before that tho and he gave them his own sun as food, so he now suffers in the underworld in a large body of water with trees filled with all sorts of fruit above his head

but he is unable to drink or eat, as the water recoils everytime he tries and the trees themselves back off if he tries to pick any of their fruit

[hollow stone]

it was a model inaccuracy in skyrim but horse with forward facing eyes (thus indicating it is a predator, whereas the standard horse is a prey animal) is one of my favorite concepts now

[silk hare]

thats actually hilarious

[hollow stone]

i've had a backup character for a campaign who's gonna ride in on a Found Steed of the Fiend kind, which i will describe as "a tree patterned brown horse with forward facing eyes and sharp teeth"

[silk hare]

also you can get tons of inspiration from all sorts of mythical creatures, e.g. stygian birds are just birds that shoot their metal feathers and people, the nemean lion (immune to all damage but bludgeoning e.g.), hydras are technically also from greek mythology

some that Im not sure of the origin of include kelpies (mares that live in the sea, beautiful and once u mount them they draw u into the depths of the ocean to devour you there), selkies: sea lion women that have magical "fur" kind of, they can "undress" and leave that fur and become a "real women" for a time, but if someone steals it they become unable to change back

oh also aesops fables are nice for "lessons" to the players + u can use awakaned animals or whatever the term was

[silk hare]

lul

[ember sandal]

ty!

[severe rampart]

That's a War Unicorn

[hollow stone]

(this campaign takes place in the woods, where horses don't naturally occur, but the town has designated a pasture for horses that they consume as livestock)

[silk hare]

also aztec mythology has some fun stories too

oh and dont get me started on norse mythology, imo one of the best in terms of entertaining stories

• funny creatures and concepts

[hollow stone]

i don't know what's funnier, if the party does understand that horses are neither patterned to camoflauge with trees or have forward facing eyes and nor do they have sharp teeth, or if they don't get it

[silk hare]

one of my favourite parts of norse mythology is that there is a tree connecting the 9 realsm aka thing dnd planes of existance, each plane is home to different kinds of things

1 is for the gods (only partially correct but more would be too in depth here)
1 is for the humans,
1 is hell
1 is for frost giants
1 for fire giants etc etc

this tree connects all of them ("Yggdrasil")

and on this tree there are creatures that live there

at the top there is an eagel that trys to destroy it with its wings (whose name was lost in translation somwhere iirc)
at the bottom there is a dragon gnawing on its roots (nidhögg)
and in between there is this squirrel called ratatosk jumping up and down feeding both of them false trashtalk from the other trying to rile them up bc its funn y

[silk hare]

"you try to pet the horse? cool, roll me a dex ST; ah too bad, you are now missing an arm"

[hollow stone]

"the horse starts growling as you get closer."
"wait but horses don't growl(?)"
"all the more reason to not get close to it"

[silk hare]

oh and another fun part is that the "realm of the gods (which there are technically multiple of) " is connected to other plane(s) via a bridge that is essentially a rainbow

anything that tries to go on there e.g. giants just starts to burn and die bc they dont have permission

(up until ragnarök, there things change ofc)

[hollow stone]

i need to research more features of distinctly predatory creatures to apply to this horse

[silk hare]

you could pack in some other funny stuff

did you know horses are anatomically not able to "puke" so you could have it regurgitate e.g. bones or hair of sth it ate thats a fun little easter egg

[eager marsh]

I mean Norse Myth is pretty standard imo when you dig deeper into most old religions. They all do silly and goofy things

[median delta]

Guys i have a question

[eager marsh]

Yes buy more dice

[silk hare]

I mean kinda? I just like the connectedness and the overall narrative, especially bc gods are not impossbile beings, just lads that are a bit more powerful and still heavily obsessed with alcohol and the likes

[silk hare]

think owls etc

[eager marsh]

Even greek gods arent 'impossible beings' they are very humanlike in their flaws and narrative sillyness for example

[hollow stone]

actually, now that you mention it, one of the party members does help keep horses and feeds them, so it could throw up the plant matter

[median delta]

are there any witch/coven themed dnd campaings or smth. My friends loooove witch stuff (theyve all never played dnd before and neither have i) so i was going to create something coven themed maybe with a bunch of witch trials of some sort

[silk hare]

oh absolutely, but they are still for the most part "unkillable", but I get your point yeh

[eager marsh]

Hinduism is funnier because half the cast is also the other half due to being aspects or reincarnations of each other

[silk hare]

oh yeah absolutely

[median delta]

I DONT HAVE ANY

[silk hare]

imo chinese "mythology" gets out of hand real quick so Im not that fond of that

[ember sandal]

Nooooooo

[median delta]

are they that addicting to but i dont think i understand the obsession

[silk hare]

but also not that deep into it so maybe sometime

[eager marsh]

Arjuna came home from a contest and won a wife. Told his mother 'I bring home spoils' or something like that. She said 'share with your brothers as usual then' and so his first wife was shared anmd had 5 husbands cuz he just...did what mom said

[silk hare]

once u start, probably yeh, imagine all those shiny mathrocks

[ember sandal]

you will once you have a dice set

[silk hare]

bro wth

[eager marsh]

Wukong was just feeling a little silly that one time. And that other time. And that-

[silk hare]

and that other time too!

and then he jumped into buddhas palm haha!, what a doozy

[median delta]

I want to but there arent many people that play dnd in my country so i might just play online

[silk hare]

fair enough

[undone rain]

More dice to eat

[median delta]

im new to dnd so im not quite sure how this would work

[rugged hawk]

I mean, if you're not toppling tyrants with nat 20s passed from your porcelain throne, are you even really living? /s

[undone rain]

Exactlyyyy

[rugged hawk]

Also, edible dice. We need this, so we can punish the ones that have failed us with Nat 1's

[eager marsh]

they do exist

[rugged hawk]

I guess an alternative would be keeping a hammer on hand to intimidate the non-edible dice, though.

Give em the Darth Vader treatment. You have failed me for the last time! SMASH

[ember sandal]

you could also use a dice jail to punish your dice

or put them inside a gelatinous cube

[rugged hawk]

No no, this only sounds like a good idea in theory, like hormonal jail. They'd just conspire together to spawn more Nat 1's. The is a great idea, though.

[ember sandal]

ah, that's fair

[silk hare]

theres plenty of molds

[tardy bronze]

heyhey

[silk hare]

you can make sweets, I saw some guy trying to use ground beef once too (they were super lopsided but at least dice shaped lmao)

[tribal mesa]

Do yall ever feel bad for contributing to the amount of plastic in the world by buying minis and dice

[tardy bronze]

I have no minis nor dice

[rugged hawk]

No. The sooner the planet becomes unlivable to humans, the sooner the species goes extinct.

[tardy bronze]

Fair point u inspired me

[severe rampart]

if you think of life that way, you can't do anything without contributing to the eventual downfall of humanity

[tardy bronze]

Yes

Just like ethical capitalism

[rugged hawk]

Annnnd now you're getting too far away from D&D for this channel

[silk hare]

ofc you should trys to do stuff that doesnt actively contribute to the end of the world, but as things stand now thats kind of hard to do and even if u manage to do it you are sacrficing a lot of resources and happiness for minimal impact

[tribal mesa]

No this is a Druid question

[eager marsh]

I promise you that no amount of garbage you produce as a single person comes close to what corporations and factories make, you're fine

[tribal mesa]

It is relevant to dnd discussion

[tardy bronze]

My hand slipped i swear

[silk hare]

answer is: you either do or dont, thats sth to decide for yourself, and the stance you take is out of scope for a dnd discussion

also who is vinnath

[rugged hawk]

One of my D&D chars. https://i.imgur.com/lCG3O1a.gif

[silk hare]

ah gotcha

[tardy bronze]

thats so cool

[rugged hawk]

Currently in a Princes of the Apocalypse campaign as a Divine Soul Sorceress of Trishina (dolphin goddess). https://i.imgur.com/lDzZ0JA.jpeg

[tardy bronze]

I am a horrific artist sadly

[untold isle]

[uncut linden]

Hello, does anyone know where I can play D&D online?

[rugged hawk]

That's just the gods letting you know you're meant to be a cultist of Cthulu, spawning unimaginable and incomprehensible horrors into existence with pen and paper.

[silk hare]

fyi if you post only non text messages (like justan emoji) you will eventually get a warning

[untold isle]

That was my first message ever

[silk hare]

same goes for other single character messages or just stuff that doesnt include text

[karmic pendant]

You find a group first in #find-a-game

[silk hare]

ight, just letting you know cos it happened to me

[untold isle]

Makes sense

[uncut linden]

Thanks

[tardy bronze]

I would mostly blame my Aphantasia for it really, makes it super hard

[rugged hawk]

All I'm hearing is that you're not following your destined path.

[tardy bronze]

Lmao

[untold isle]

Every one goes to cthulu at some point

[tardy bronze]

For my first playtrough im just gonna be a plain ol fighter

[rugged hawk]

Never mind, I was wrong. You embraced the horror with all you are.

[lusty sapphire]

i want to rant about my insane wild magic sorcerer luck

first time playing wild magic sorcerer, im playing with a homebrew rule of the required roll to activate wild magic surge increases each time i use a spell

it had been a while and i still haven't gotten the surge, and when i finally do

[tardy bronze]

THE GAME IS COMPLICATED ENOUGH LET ME START AN EASY CLASS

[lusty sapphire]

i get an 8 and cast fireball on myself

i was level 4, and got a blessing from the dm on the spot to survive

now the next time wild magic activated was the next session

and then i rolled a NAT 100

though i hadn't used any sorcery points yet and got nothing lol

[rugged hawk]

Multiclass Wizard/Cleric/Pale Master or bust /s

[tardy bronze]

HA

[lusty sapphire]

next time it activated, i got THE LOWEST, which makes the wild magic surge activate each turn

from that, i got that my next damage roll will be maxed out

[tardy bronze]

i swear it goes to 20 normally

[lusty sapphire]

wild magic uses a d100

50 unique outcomes

anyway i upcast chromatic orb to level 2, my highest spell slot, and get A NAT 20

so my damage doubles

and i deal 64 damage in a single attack at level 4

[tardy bronze]

this is japanese for me actually

[lusty sapphire]

basically luck + luck + luck = big damage number

[tardy bronze]

i do like big damage numbers

[reef shuttle]

Really tired of looking for a friendly long term campaign PBP DND 5e plz

[tardy bronze]

when do i unlock this version of dnd

[rugged hawk]

I like dedicated cultists of

[reef shuttle]

I want Gunslinger symbol option plz

[severe rampart]

Starting to polish my Child Sorcerer's backstory, my beautiful boy, he's got a little bowtie (he's gonna die horribly isn't he)

[tardy bronze]

my end goal is to be able to play in some kind of D&D forever world, where every new campaign is set within the same lore

[oak grotto]

You will have to find a DM that's willing to do that.

[keen sentinel]

@patent night

[oak grotto]

And I imagine that won't be easy.

[tardy bronze]

i did say end goal didn't i

something along the lines of Critical Role

[rugged hawk]

👀 Man, I love it when folks provide easy sacrifices for the Great Ooze

[silk hare]

oh cool poland in dnd?

[oak grotto]

In my experience DMs aren't usually concerned with future games. They're usually focused on running their game.

[dark widget]

Is there a level cap?

[viral kraken]

ya the rules only support play to level 20, you'd need homebrew to exceed that

[dark widget]

Alright thanks

[rugged hawk]

Rules are a suggestion, homebrew away

By which we mean the rules as written are simply a 'standardized starting point' for easier group coordination, which can be freely modified as necessary

Also, never forget to logically apply physics to RAW. 👀 ||/s||

[silk hare]

mhhh yeh exactly xD

[turbid kayak]

Not if he’s already a skeleton.

[rugged hawk]

Exactly! If someone's casting Water Walk on an underwater foe, causing them to ascend to the surface at 60 ft/round, they'll obviously suffer the Bends and rapid decompression, causing immense physical trauma.

On a related note, we need a reverse version of Water Walk that makes a target sink like a rock.

[silk hare]

what do you mean physical trauma?, its only their blood vessels rupturing on the inside!, nothing outside can be seen xD

[woven flint]

I awaken, my friends 🧐

[rugged hawk]

That is not dead, which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons, even death may die!

[woven flint]

Something Something... uh... hello to you to :>

[delicate owl]

Now sleep more, foo

[olive wasp]

The answer is weeds!

[fickle burrow]

Hi guys , I know absolutely nothing about DND, so i wanted to play dhampir, what classes would ya recommend

[tame estuary]

shame

[rugged hawk]

Cleric of Lathander, obviously.

[tame estuary]

warlock is kinda cool cuz you can have like a vampire patron who venmos you 2 gold every month

[woven flint]

Nah, I'd awaken

[fickle burrow]

So rich rich?

I wanted to go rogue cuz rogues are cool as hell

[woven flint]

Fighter

[silk hare]

really depends on what you want the character to accomplish, but more a melee class bc of the bite imo

[knotty pasture]

Astral Self Monk

[woven flint]

Dhampir Vengeance Paladin 🧐

[knotty pasture]

Be a Dio

[fickle burrow]

Whatever that is..

[silk hare]

a monk

[fickle burrow]

Ohh that sounds cool

[fickle burrow]

I got that part

[knotty pasture]

Astral Self Monk is a Monk that can summon a stand

[woven flint]

Not really

[knotty pasture]

You can unleash your inner Dio with it

[fickle burrow]

I've read smth about shadow monk?

[woven flint]

Shadow Monk is pretty good, albeit a little underwhelming, they can see through their own magical darkness, so that's fun

[fickle burrow]

So astral is jojo ref, shadow is edgy

[woven flint]

Astral Self isn't really a Jojo reference, people just equate it to such because it's a little similar, but you're not like. Summoning a GUY..
An Echo Knight Fighter would he more akin to a Stand User because Echos just have similar functionality, being a ghost guy that fights for you lol

[fickle burrow]

That also sounds cool as heck

[woven flint]

But, for first characters
I often suggest Fighters or Paladins
Fighters are simple
Paladins are simple but have a bit of nuance to learn about, but they're nice if you like having more options than just "Hit It" because they get spells

[fickle burrow]

Okay my whole party is new players