dnd-discussion

[tropic plank]

It seems to me you’re the only who finds eating dwarf weird Tokii

[woven flint]

What conversation have I started

[limber trail]

Let it be known I find it weird too

[hushed mason]

I imagine dwarves would be kind of... gristley

[wanton sorrel]

the weird kind

[glass granite]

I’m with Tokii too
Genuinely got too flabbergasted

[severe rampart]

Minotaur meat though, mmmm

[woven flint]

HEY

[keen kestrel]

You chose this path young padawan

[severe rampart]

Imagine the possibilities, pork, beef, chicken

[umbral girder]

But being meat eaters they may not taste the greatest. You want something that eats more plants.
Looks at elves

[woven flint]

Minotaurs probably wouldn't taste good as they're carnivores

[tropic plank]

All the time in the mines leaves a lot of gem dust which I’ve found to be a great seasoning

[wanton sorrel]

my poor druid.... T_T

[severe rampart]

Guys... guys... Turducken...

[woven flint]

Notably, humans irl don't typically eat other carnivorous animals
Or animals that are only meat fed

[tropic plank]

Eldwarorc

[severe rampart]

Halfling in an elf, in a minotaur

[karmic pendant]

Ew

[woven flint]

Someone ban this individual! /joking

[tropic plank]

Well not anymore, because herbivores are much easier to cultivate

[keen kestrel]

Yall have some interesting tastes

[severe rampart]

it's a Turducken

[wanton sorrel]

i think they meant half-minotaur

[woven flint]

I hate this conversation

[tropic plank]

If you try to farm a meat eater you need to provide twice the meat and end up with half the meat at the end

[severe rampart]

I should not be in this conversation, a few hours ago I was just eating in an all you can eat restaurant and was very very regretful.

[hushed mason]

We're raising pigs. They're ominvores.

[tropic plank]

That just makes you more of an expert

[hushed mason]

My chickens have to be careful not to go into the pig pasture...

[severe rampart]

the chicken was disgusting and the pork was amazing

[tropic plank]

That bodes well for Nugget

[severe rampart]

Have there been... incidents?

[hushed mason]

Not here, but on the farm where the pigs came from.. there have been incidents.

[severe rampart]

it's like... some kind of... animal farm

[keen kestrel]

So about dnd….

[woven flint]

Haha.

I'm pulling up Asmodeus' statblock.

[severe rampart]

I've taken on Baphomet I'll take him on too

[tropic plank]

Reminds me of a nightmare or perhaps childhood book I either had or read that featured pigs eating humans and replacing them
It was a little gorey either way

[woven flint]

Me when Asmodeus is CR 30 and can summon the other Archdevils

[keen kestrel]

Can a lich phylactery be the moon?

[tropic plank]

Oh goodness not this again

[wanton sorrel]

even if that is so... it's still not dark enough.

[woven flint]

Since when did Gru become a Lich?

[hot marlin]

The moon is not an object

[keen kestrel]

It’s time to…. Steal the MOON

[severe rampart]

obviously it's a living being! gosh!

[tropic plank]

I feel like even if they could do it, if a lich attempted to make the moon a phylactery the gods wouldn’t like that overmuch

[keen kestrel]

By all accounts it technically is

[naive cedar]

Didnt rhat guy in avatar try to do that

[keen kestrel]

A hunk of space rock is by no means alive

[hot marlin]

Check the definition of an object for D&D purposes, you will find that the moon does not fit that definition

Who said anything about being alive or not?

[hushed mason]

Where is the definition?

[potent vector]

Unironically, using a Circle spell Enlarge Reduce to make a large chunk of the moon your phylactery could be a GOATED part of a high level BBEG backstory

[hot marlin]

Plenty of objects are alive. Seeds for example. An apple. A potted plant

[wanton sorrel]

is the moon truly a live... please roll a 1d20... x'D

[keen kestrel]

I mean, the moon is not composed of buildings or other objects

[severe rampart]

What defines alive though? are bacteria alive?

[keen kestrel]

It’s one solid chunk of rock

[hot marlin]

Yes.

[tropic plank]

The only limit of putting your phylactery onto the moon is travelling there every now and again
The whole moon phylactery was disproven several times though

[severe rampart]

What about Gametes?

[wanton sorrel]

I think echo watches too much of soul eater.

[hot marlin]

Again, check the definition of an object for D&D purposes and you will find why it's not an object

[hot marlin]

Living cells, therefore alive

[naive cedar]

Whats the definition

[severe rampart]

I concede, the knowledge of Incubus is too much for my feeble mind

[keen kestrel]

I am, it doesn’t seem like it wouldn’t fit

[tropic plank]

Could you swallow your phylactery

[keen kestrel]

For all intents and purposes, I know it can’t be a phylactery, but the moon can be argued to be an object

[woven flint]

Me, swallowing the Teddy Bear I made my Phylactery

[keen kestrel]

Just a very large and less than discrete object lol

[severe rampart]

Why a bear?

[hushed mason]

@dusky summit check out #dnd-newcomers

[hot marlin]

An object is a discrete, inanimate item.

[woven flint]

Why's it matter to you?

[dusky summit]

Thank you !!!

[keen kestrel]

I mean, the moon disappears during the day, making it very discrete

[hot marlin]

That is not what discrete means

[hushed mason]

I don't know that you will get all the info you want, but that's the best place to go if you're brand-new.

[tropic plank]

Need to know why you chose it to make it easier to destroy it

[woven flint]

It was my totally real Daughter's 😔

[tropic plank]

Oh good, that’ll be super easy

[keen kestrel]

The moon is certainly a unique object if nothing else, and not one you’d actually attack

[hot marlin]

Discrete here means separate; distinct; individual; non-continuous.

[hushed mason]

Depending on the setting, there may not even be a moon.

[hot marlin]

The moon is not that. The moon is a lot of different rocks. In the same way that the earth is not an object

[hushed mason]

A car is made of many objects... yet it is still an object.

[severe rampart]

What would be a simple yet very creative power you guys would like to see in DnD?

[wanton sorrel]

i'm totally lost in this conversation.

[tropic plank]

There’s nearly always a god of the moon, who would absolutely oppose the attempted creation of a moon base phylactery

[naive cedar]

Same

[keen kestrel]

Arguably it is though, since gravity smashed every together and made it individual enough that we don’t distinguish every Little Rock that makes it up

[blissful ibex]

Chainmail is an object and it's just a bunch of individual metal rings all stuck together

[severe rampart]

Everyone has initiative, except it's 5 different battles at once and we don't know who's winning

[umbral girder]

Yeah Baphometis drastically weaker than Asmodeus

[hot marlin]

A car is not an object. A car would be a vehicle. Vehicles are explicitely not objects

[wanton sorrel]

i never knew discord was a sports game until chat told me so.

[keen kestrel]

The moon certainly cannot be a phylactery, but it could be an object, and that’s the best part of dnd am I right?

[tropic plank]

It’s something that exists already but I hope teleportation spells that create portals between cities becomes more common

[keen kestrel]

Which means you can assuredly assign the moon an ac and hp

[umbral girder]

I see good reason why it isn't in the DMG. The reason being an invading army can just use your portals against you.

[tropic plank]

We’re going to kill Selune

[severe rampart]

Ah, I meant like spells that seem simple but with the right user can be really powerful

[keen kestrel]

I see Shar has influenced you

[tropic plank]

Yeah, I just think it’s cool to have inter city travel like that

[hushed mason]

Why is a vehicle not an object?

[blissful ibex]

Only need like 2 level 11 druids and a few lower level supporting mages to have a basically perpetual 24hour duration circle cast of transport via plants set up between two cities

[hot marlin]

I hope not, this would just remove travelling.

[hot marlin]

Because the definition of an object explicitely excludes vehicles

[tropic plank]

Impossible
I can’t remember losing a single thing

[umbral girder]

Also in D&D cities aren't like "We are part of the same nation!"

[hushed mason]

Where is the definition?

[umbral girder]

Like they are basically their own small countries in most settings

[woven flint]

"My Phylactery? That old shitbox car I had in high-scool, of course."

[keen kestrel]

I can’t remember taking anything from you either, seems like we’re both good

[hot marlin]

For the purpose of these rules, an object is a discrete, inanimate item like a window, door, sword, book, table, chair, or stone, not a building or a vehicle that is composed of many other objects.

Here, from the DMG. Page 246

[hushed mason]

I would imagine that the larger the phylactery, the more difficult the process of becoming a lich.

[hushed mason]

How about a machine?

[tropic plank]

It could be cool in a campaign where the party are criminals, so they’re barred from using the portals and either have to sneak into them, or risk travelling normally and letting their competitors or bounty hunters reach their next destination before them

[hot marlin]

If it's discrete and inanimate it may be an object

[past iron]

So in the campaign I'm playing, my Paladin ended up breaking his oath. Becoming the first of his bloodline to ever do so.

[glass granite]

How’d that go down?

[hushed mason]

Your new-fangled paladins are so.... unpaladin-like.

[glass granite]

And what’s he gonna do now? Change oaths or classes?

[glass granite]

-# fangled?

[hushed mason]

It's a word.

[glass granite]

Lemme look it up

[woven flint]

Epic

[glass granite]

Well I’ll be damned, it really is a word

[hushed mason]

lol

[tropic plank]

How does one’s bloodline all become paladins

[glass granite]

Imma add that to my vocabulary

[hushed mason]

You've never heard the term "new fangled"?

[glass granite]

Nope

[hot marlin]

BTW even if the moon was an object, trying to turn it into your phylactery would just result in you dying.

[hushed mason]

Apparently the proper term is newfangled...

[hot marlin]

Because you would need to get on the moon

[severe rampart]

So... Gru

[woven flint]

I'd assume quite easily lol

[hot marlin]

Where there is no air to breathe. Or atmospheric pressure to keep the water inside your eyes and your skin from evaporating. Or to keep the air already in your lungs from being drained out.

[blissful ibex]

Air bubble is a spell

[tropic plank]

That’s an interesting point, would a waterbreathing spell or item work in space

[hot marlin]

Air bubble would protect your head. Your skin would get dessicated quickly though

[blissful ibex]

Fill a bag of holding full of water, hop in, launch yourself into space

[hot marlin]

Also, temperature. You might be boiling alive on the moon.

[umbral girder]

Takes 6 weeks to do so as well.

[past iron]

Our party had to sacrifice another member to someone working with Lolth, in order to be able to get a piece of an artifact needed to banish Vecna. My character thought he was doing the right thing. In fact, both paladins in the party, mine and another player's, have broken their oaths. I can't speak for the other paladin player, but I know mine feels immense shame because he has failed his ancestors.

[umbral girder]

Technically a premade Lich can do it

Because if a Lich loses their Phylactery they can just make another one.

[keen kestrel]

I mean, undead don’t need to breath right?

[umbral girder]

But time and resources.

So would not work as your First ever Phylactery but might work on the next one.

[tropic plank]

That’s odd
Does your oath only care for objectivity and not your own judgement?
Most of the paladins I’ve made have been based on what they think is moral

[umbral girder]

Unless it was retconned. This is 4th edition lore I am using

[hot marlin]

That's the same as filling the bag with air

[umbral girder]

A lot of 4e got retconned.

[woven flint]

No...?
Because space notably isn't water

[hot marlin]

Depends on the undead.

[umbral girder]

Yeah Vampires do need to breathe

[past iron]

I'm honestly not sure. Perhaps the DM has different rules about things.

[naive cedar]

I thought vampires didnt need to breathe

[tropic plank]

Well most of them don’t give you gills so it’s not like they’re specifically for water
Surely they’d work in other low oxygen areas

[potent vector]

Yeah, Stormlight Archives made a pretty good case for what breaking your Oath feels like. It's always Abt losing yourself and setting yourself to try and keep 2 promises that aren't possible together

[past iron]

Breathing? What are you, an air sniffer?

[potent vector]

An Oxygen Addict?

[hot marlin]

You are misunderstanding how spells work.

[past iron]

You O2 Fiend

[hot marlin]

The spell gives them the ability to breathe underwater. That is what it does.

[blissful ibex]

Air Bubble is the spell you're looking for

[potent vector]

Atmosphere Dweller?

[umbral girder]

Air bubble? Thats for the Astral Realm space travel last I checked. Since it was added in "Spelljammer: Adevntures in Space"

[tropic plank]

Magic sure is rigid
I guess I’m used to allowing players to describe some spells in their own ways

[potent vector]

(nah that wasn't funny dang it . . . )

[hot marlin]

No, I was referring to the Water Breathing plan. Air bubble, obviously, works

[umbral girder]

Ah got it.

[woven flint]

It's literally called

Water Breathing

Spells do as they're intended to do

[hot marlin]

That's literally what that spell is for. Although using only air bubble for prolonged exposure to a vacuum would result in your skin being... Well, it's not pretty

[tropic plank]

I wasn’t referring to the specific spell Water Breathing rather spells and items that grant you the ability to breath underwater, I wasn’t sure if there was more than one spell

[hot marlin]

There is more than one, yes. They give people the ability to breathe underwater. Breathing underwater is for breathing underwater, it does not help in space

[woven flint]

^^^

[tropic plank]

The weave is horribly literal I see

[umbral girder]

A spell does exactly what it says it does

[woven flint]

... yes?

[hot marlin]

It seems to be an average level of literal

[keen kestrel]

If it wasn’t, magic as a system wouldn’t work very well

[woven flint]

"This spell grants up to ten willing creatures of your choice within range the ability to breathe underwater until the spell ends. Affected creatures also retain their normal mode of respiration."

Literally the entirety of Water Breathing

Quite punctual

[tropic plank]

I didn’t say it was a bad thing

[hot marlin]

Also if the plan was using a bag of holding, let me once kill that idea:

Breathing creatures inside the bag can survive up to a number of minutes equal to 10 divided by the number of creatures (minimum 1 minute), after which time they begin to suffocate.

This does not change whether the bag is filled with air or water

[woven flint]

Friends....

Just play a Warforged /half-joke

[tropic plank]

Is there a teleport spell with a long enough range to reach the moon

[hot marlin]

No

[keen kestrel]

Fair, I don’t mind when some shows depict magic as being more imagination and willpower than anything, but my preference is for the ones that compare to math and coding

[hot marlin]

Uh, well...

[blissful ibex]

or an Autognome
or a Reborn

[tropic plank]

I love Tolkien’s magic
Nobody but Tolkien knows what it does

[hot marlin]

Technically, teleport could work.

Bold of you to assume Tolkien knows what it does

[tropic plank]

So a Lich could theoretically hide its phylactery on the moon

[blissful ibex]

Depends on how 'same Plane of Existance as you' is defined

[undone rain]

So tired of people using ai for their character art. Or just ai in general

[hot marlin]

In theory, the moon is in the material plane

[tropic plank]

I can only draw stick figures and i still draw my characters by hand

[fiery nimbus]

Tolkien magic is basically non factor in the story...

[hot marlin]

So, provided you're in the material plane when you cast teleport, you could reach the moon. Usual rules for teleport apply

[undone rain]

I either use bg3 or heroforge

[blissful ibex]

yep, so just need air bubble and a teleport spell and you're golden

[tropic plank]

The whole story is based on a magic ring and a wizard helping a halfling take the magic ring to the volcano home of a demigod to destroy it

[hot marlin]

The volcano is not the demigod's home

[tropic plank]

Those are good, sometimes you have the weirdest character and the options aren’t there

[hot marlin]

The demigod lives in the tower, quite a few miles away from the volcano. The volcano was just once used by the demigod as a forge.

[fiery nimbus]

Correct, and magic does whatever it needs, hence why it's used sparingly, soft magic systems man

[tropic plank]

-# Sorry my internet is bad

[hot marlin]

Anyways, TTRPGs, due to their medium, tend towards hard magic systems.

[naive cedar]

Whats the difference between hard and soft magic?

[tropic plank]

Most magic systems that have interaction with other people do tend to have rigid rules, books are way easier to do magic in

[tropic plank]

Hard magic has a large amount of rules and mechanics, soft magic is more vibes based

[worn lagoon]

I'm surprised I know of it. Not everyone's a native speaker.

[marble lion]

Ive never heard the word fangled either

[lavish flame]

to my knowledge, newfangled is one word

[marble lion]

Yeah it is

[hot marlin]

Simply put, if characters know how their magic works, if they know what to expect from a given magical action, it's a hard magic system

[marble lion]

Its a disapproving word for new things

[severe rampart]

Before LadyIsLay said it, the most recent saying of it was last year's march

[sterile axle]

Hi

[marble lion]

Im shocked it has ever been said here

[severe rampart]

earliest instance 2020... which is 6 years ago oh my god...

[tropic plank]

You could say it was a rather oldfangled term

[severe rampart]

...no

[marble lion]

It seems like an old word for old people to describe new pesky things

So im not surprised the young and remarkably openminded progressive community isnt that familiar with the term

[severe rampart]

newfangled is oldfangled, yet oldfangled is also newfangled

[sterile axle]

Yo if I print a character sheet it still counts? I only have preset sheets cuz I bought the starter set

[marble lion]

Beautiful

[marble lion]

"Counts"?

[potent vector]

Yeah.

[marble lion]

Unless your dm specified a form of character sheet, anything that notes down the content of a sheet counts

[sterile axle]

Oh thx

[marble lion]

You can scribble your stuff on an egg or learn it by heart

[rough basalt]

A printed sheet is nice if you can have it tho

[marble lion]

Its a memory aid

[tranquil mango]

Does anyone know if there are any forums or even YouTube channels for DND beyond users that have low vision or no vision?

[tropic plank]

Just make sure to consult and edit it regularly

[feral fulcrum]

Such is non free-form magic syste, such as what DND uses, with very specific rules and effects, yes.

[tropic plank]

This is the true reason Karsus wanted to become the god of magic
To soften the magic system

[potent vector]

Mystra sucks at her job, everyone knows because of how many times she died. Blame her ig.

[naive cedar]

Mystra sucks period

[potent vector]

We even made it a canon joke in our One Piece in Space campaign, the Astral Beans (Devil Fruit equivalent) and the wars they started were because she wanted to try gardening 💀

[feral fulcrum]

D&D is a very, very strange system to want a soft magic system for, considering it's been a pretty Hard system with well defined rules from the start.

[tropic plank]

I don’t want one, I do like the DnD system how it is, I just prefer there to be a level of interpretation available
Such as a wizard casting a flight spell, and flavouring it as manifesting wings of magic or such
Little stuff like that is a nice character touch and doesn’t necessarily change the spells effect, just how the effect is achieved

[hot marlin]

She has died once

That's not many times.

[potent vector]

Wrong.
Three times.

[hot marlin]

What exactly are those three times?

[blissful ibex]

there have been 4 incarnations of Mystra/Midnight/Mystral

[hot marlin]

Oh, no. Not incarnations.

Different people.

[tropic plank]

How many gods die even once

[rough basalt]

A lot

[blissful ibex]

yes, but they inherit the memories and whatnot of their predecessors, which meets the basic requirement for it to be an incarnation

[hot marlin]

Mystryl died once and never came back. Her replacement, Mystra I, died once and never came back. Her replacement, Mystra II, died once and came back.

[hot marlin]

All of them eventually. Entropy devours all, even gods

[rough basalt]

There's a crapton of dead gods whose skeletons pollute the astral sea.

[tropic plank]

Well they were clearly quite incompetent

[warped jay]

Anyone here with experience starting a dnd community? I have near 40 people now and need advice.

[feral dock]

Is anyone free and wanna talk on vc about rpg stuff?

[potent vector]

First time by Karsus. Second time during the Time of Troubles. Third time Assassinated by Curic.

[hot marlin]

The one who got killed by Karsus is not Mystra, that's Mystryl. Mystra died in the time of trouble, she never came back. Midnight died assassinated by Cyric, and was later resurrected.

Mystra died only once. During the time of trouble. Mystryl is not Mystra. Midnight is not Mystra

[naive cedar]

Midnight is called Mystra tho

[worn lagoon]

Midnight is Mystra

[hot marlin]

Yes, she took the name. Tell me, how many times did John Smith die?

[worn lagoon]

A lot tbh

[hot marlin]

John Smith must clearly be an immortal who has been killed and resurrected hundreds of times.

[naive cedar]

He is

[potent vector]

Hm. Saying "The god of the Magic" is prob a better way to put it

[tropic plank]

I feel like that’s obviously a sign to maybe not choose a woman with an M at the start of their name to be the goddess of magic if they keep dying

[hot marlin]

To which we answer: Which god of magic?

[potent vector]

The position at least must be cursed or smth lmfao

[tropic plank]

What about an Amy, or perhaps a Harriet

[naive cedar]

What do we say to the goddess of magic?

[potent vector]

Is the god of the Weave a decent answer?

[hot marlin]

Uh... Stop dating mortals?

[naive cedar]

Hey last time I suggested that everyone got mad at me

[hot marlin]

And then the question is which god of the weave.

[tropic plank]

Don’t die we don’t need 6th edition yet

[hot marlin]

Saying "the god of magic keeps dying" is like saying "the pope keeps dying". Well, yeah.

[tropic plank]

Well yeah, because she keeps dating mortals who aren’t me

[naive cedar]

I don’t think the other gods die nearly as much as “the person called Mystra” does

[potent vector]

As far as I'm looking she is the primary god of the Weave

[hot marlin]

"She" who?

[potent vector]

Mystra's three incarnations

[hot marlin]

Who are you referring to? Mystryl, Mystra I or Mystra II?

[naive cedar]

Mystra/mystryl/midnight

[tropic plank]

The god formerly known as Midnight

[naive cedar]

They all fill rhat role

[hot marlin]

There are only two women who went by the name of Mystra. Mystra I and Mystra II, better known as Midnight.

[potent vector]

So saying the god of the Weave has died 3 times is accurate then? Correct?

[hot marlin]

How many times has the pope died?

[potent vector]

Exactly.

[naive cedar]

Well the pope isn’t a goddess

[tropic plank]

The pope, and I know this is difficult to believe, does not in fact reincarnate with the memories of the past popes

[hot marlin]

If saying "the pope has died 266 times" is acceptable to you, then yeah, the god of magic has also died three times.

[potent vector]

It is in the context of God incarnations

[tropic plank]

How many times has Zeus died

[hot marlin]

Wait, seriously?

[naive cedar]

Tbh that’s a fair thing to say

[severe rampart]

what?... but... no...

[hushed mason]

The Pope isn't an "incarnation" of Saint Peter, though.

[tropic plank]

I would know I was Pope 63

[naive cedar]

What???? 😱

I was pope 42

[hushed mason]

The Dalai lama, on the other hand....

[hot marlin]

Uh... Why was I just recommended a youtube video called "dead presidents"?

[tropic plank]

Okay Pontiff Boniface

[hushed mason]

The Dalai Lama would definitely be a better comparisson.

[tropic plank]

Is the president like Mystra

[naive cedar]

So like…most of them?

[severe rampart]

Obviously because unlike the pope, presidents reincarnate and gain the memories of past preisdents

[naive cedar]

I think Mystra would be a decent candidate honestly

[potent vector]

We saw that . . .

[tropic plank]

No you didn’t

[naive cedar]

Shhh

[severe rampart]

Wendigo we're treading on dangerous territory

[naive cedar]

True…anyways. Mystra 2028

[tropic plank]

I say we vote for Tyr

[potent vector]

Agreed

[naive cedar]

I’ll accept that

[hushed mason]

What happened to all the chat?

[glass granite]

Beats me

[naive cedar]

I went to go eat supper idk

[rough basalt]

Sometimes it just dies

[minor cargo]

During my last game, the party were fighting giant centipedes in a sewer. Classic stuff.

There was clearly a “boss” waiting for them and half the party wanted to jump headfirst into more combat - while the rest wanted to leave the gross sewers ASAP.

Really play styles are on a spectrum.

[woeful spoke]

im really new can someone help teach me a bit about building a rogue maybe in dms or something, i dont quite know how to balance what I want for the character and what would be designed well for the actual gameplay

[glass granite]

Do you have a DM yet?

Working with them would help. Else, there are rules on how your character can be created.

[woeful spoke]

yeh

[glass granite]

I would recommend working with them, but if you do want to get help here I recommend #character-discussion or #dnd-newcomers (idk how much of the rules you know)

[severe rampart]

At what level could DnD PCs fight an armed soldier?

Soldier will have guns, not magic

[timid current]

depends on the stat block

if you're giving a guard statblock a gun, probably level 1

[severe rampart]

Let's say they're just regular humans with guns, so weak but it has a gun

[cosmic roost]

No pings, please :pray:

If you see someone with “No Pings” in their name, please don’t @ that user. If you Reply to them, please turn the alert @OFF, and if you forget, a simple apology is appreciated. Thank you!

[severe rampart]

OH my bad I forgot, I'm on mobile you see

[timid current]

then level 1

[severe rampart]

So I didn't get the option for no ping

[severe rampart]

sounds good!

[hidden spindle]

-# Echo. I think replying Pings too

[blissful ibex]

unless you mark off ping replies, like this c:

but if you edit those, it then pings which is dumb

[hidden spindle]

How'd yo-? Hmmm...

[blissful ibex]

ping

[woven flint]

This literally describes how to do it visually, silly billy

[hidden spindle]

Ahhhh. Thanks!

[drowsy tartan]

hello!!!

[remote wadi]

No dnd session this week RIP

[tawdry sentinel]

Thoughts and prayers

[hot marlin]

Sometimes a break is good

[wanton sorrel]

i got 2 players i can't wait to do it tommorrow though

[severe rampart]

Yeah, my Descent into Avernus campaign has been off for 2 weeks now, and in 4 days we're about to resume

[wanton sorrel]

better grab all your notes Echo.

[severe rampart]

Oh my god you actually saved me, I forgot the DM was gonna ask us questions about our characters

[remote wadi]

It can be, but DnD is not something I play often as is

Silver lining, there's a tournament close to where I live that I can attend tomorrow. Happy accident?

[potent vector]

Correct me if I'm wrong, if you cast an ongoing non-concentration spell against a target, does it get rid of the previous casting?

[glass granite]

How often do you play? (To bloodline)

[severe rampart]

I'll do that when I wake up, I have an awarding to attend for winning a math competition

[potent vector]

(Like using Water Walk spell twice)

[remote wadi]

Weekly. But not too consistently

[glass granite]

-# that’s far better than me lol

[severe rampart]

What about you Nugget

[glass granite]

Ranges from every 10 to 50 days

Very inconsistent. Just when at least 5 players are free

[glass granite]

Anywho, it ain’t a competition

[remote wadi]

But I'm not exactly waiting around in the meantime

Remember, I work long shifts on weekdays. We're talking Mon-Fri 17:00-05:45

[feral fulcrum]

If you're using it on different creatures, no, it doesn't get rid of the effects. If you're recasting it on yourself, the effect ends, and restarts with the full duration.

[severe rampart]

My dragons of stormwreck isle campaign might be cooked but I'm hoping it's gonna be salvaged

[glass granite]

True

[potent vector]

Hey, do you think you could justify making Hunter's Mark a Self spell?

Like, hypothetically would it affect anything too negatively?

[halcyon bison]

As in you get +1d6 damage to all attacks, not just against one person?

[potent vector]

No, still just one person, wondering if you could still justify it as a self spell.

[halcyon bison]

I don’t see why you would do that, that just makes it more confusing

[prime pewter]

Undead Patron makes a surprisingly good fungal warlock

[remote wadi]

Well, then you would need to up the range of the spell because HM requires you to target someone

[potent vector]

Homebrew reasons, they're worried Abt my suggestion of Non-conc HM targeting multiple targets, this fixes that

[prime pewter]

Flavor wise, I mean

[potent vector]

Yeah, Self: 90ft

[halcyon bison]

You could just have the non-concentration feature specifically say “you can still only have one hunter’s mark active at a time”

[prime pewter]

Yall in a level should I take undying servitude or cloak of flies?

[valid geyser]

cloak of flies is probably a little bit better

[potent vector]

(nvm, they just came up with "the spell ends early if you cast it again")

[prime pewter]

Dungeon Meshi pfp!! Also yea

[halcyon bison]

Perfect solution

[prime pewter]

I may be biased, but I'd love to raise the dead as a straightclassed warlock... Cloak of flies is prolly good tho

[valid geyser]

undying servitude gives you a single skeleton or zombie, which just isnt that great

[prime pewter]

(Not trying to ask for confirmation and then disregard it tho)

[remote wadi]

If I'm not mistaken, are Warlocks and Rangers the only one who don't get the buff to prepared/known spells using their modifier?

[prime pewter]

Huh lemme look at there stat blocks

[hidden spindle]

How do you mean?

[prime pewter]

... I have just remembered skellys have blugeoned vulnerability

[remote wadi]

I.e. A level 4 paladin with 18 CHR can have 6 spells prepared

[lavish flame]

So you have to cast it on yourself? The spell would do nothing

[prime pewter]

Guess I'll just take Danse Macabre later on

[potent vector]

It'd be making you deal more damage against one target within 90 ft.

Self is more of a gatekeep trait than anything in the first place

Banishing Smite doesn't Banish yourself does it? And that's a Self spell

[lavish flame]

I would think a Self spell does not affect a specific other creature

[hidden spindle]

Hmm... I see. It is the prepared casters: Sorcerer, Warlock, Bard, Ranger

Also includes Eldritch Knight & Arcane Trickster

[woven flint]

Making Hunters Mark a range of Self would make it more Melee orientated, then

Hunters Mark has a long Range to make it easier to apply to other creatures

[remote wadi]

I see

What i don't see is how this make prepared and known spellcasters on equal footing

[valid geyser]

i do think that while i consider hunters mark barely flavor, the fact that it's placed on a single enemy is kind of all that it has, even if it needs something else

[woven flint]

Applying Hunters Mark on a hit would also feel too much like a smite

[hidden spindle]

It usually stemmed from how they used their Spells. Rangers just got the short end of the stick. Luckily, Rangers preparing Spells were fixed in '24

[lavish flame]

I don't understand how this specific spell would function as a Self spell. The idea of the spell is "choose someone else; do more damage to them"

[woven flint]

Exactly

[valid geyser]

i assume when self spell, they just meant like, it's a d6 bonus to all your attacks

[remote wadi]

Being able to swap them out on every long rest while still buffing how many you can prepare every level up seems way too good. It's only really balanced out by having a special place for cantrips from what it looks like

[remote wadi]

Isn't that always the case...

[hidden spindle]

IF it were a Self Spell, Lv15 Beast Master Ranger can share it!

[hidden spindle]

Not always. They're good.

[remote wadi]

Not that kind of always

The hyperbolic one

[lavish flame]

Isn't this how it already works? Or is this allowing it to affect multiple enemies depending on who you choose to attack?

[valid geyser]

as in just effecting all enemies

[woven flint]

Well, Rangers still kinda can

"Changing Your Prepared Spells. Whenever you finish a Long Rest, you can replace one spell on your list with another Ranger spell for which you have spell slots."

This is the same for Paladins and Artificers

[valid geyser]

i think power wise itd probably be okay, there are spells like divine favor that are 1st level and a d4 bonus, so i could reasonably see the ranger signature spell as something a little stronger than that

[hidden spindle]

In fact, it's stronger as a self spell though the details are more minute like:

• casting it early
• far away
• not needing to 'see' the target to place it on them

[remote wadi]

Like, it's bad enough to be a known spellcaster
But to also be a half spellcaster too, it's... you end up getting super carried by level 2 spells

[hidden spindle]

Yup. That's the '24 one. Love it

[lavish flame]

I've kinda felt for a little while that there should just be different Marks like how there's different Smites

[valid geyser]

divine favor is a really weird spell thinking about it. besides the tracking thing, it's got a lot of advantages to hunter's mark for not even that crazy of a downside relatively

[woven flint]

Hunters Mark shouldn't be concentration imo

[valid geyser]

lots of people have said that

[remote wadi]

I prefer 2014 rules, to be honest. Lesser of 2 evils between prepared spellcasters being really strong and the things I like in other classes being nerfed

[valid geyser]

like, i mostly just think the principle of it having the ability to hog concentration on the cool ranger spells makes it a tad unnapealing

[woven flint]

I think classes were all Overall BUFFED in 2024.
Minor nerfs, but they all play significantly better

[lavish flame]

It is weird that its Concentration, but I could get behind it. In my mind, the main 2 reasons you make a spell Concentration is so it wouldn't combine with another potent spell, OR you make it concentration because you expect it to get shut down prematurely by the caster getting beat up.

[valid geyser]

i mean a good ranger should be able to jump off of HM to cast a more situationally appropriate spell, but its not often a thing other classes need to worry about

[glass granite]

I agree

[hidden spindle]

What if, they could then recast it for free!

[woven flint]

I mean yeahhhh...
Rangers do get a good amount of free hunters mark casts, but it feels sucky to throw away a smidgen of extra damage admittedly...
That's why I'm playing a Bugbear Ranger 🧐

[valid geyser]

also it is 1st level hunters mark, so you dont get the benefits of the long lasting marks

[woven flint]

I mean.. the benefits are literally tracking..
Which you're rarely going to do unless the enemy runs from you..
Which isn't necessarily all too common

[valid geyser]

i think maybe once I've had HMs tracking come up in play? but even then, it's just advantage

[north hawk]

I think they just need to lock in the class fantasy of ranger. Cool bow stuff, athletic dual welder, awesome beast pets, master explorer, and monster hunter/tracker.

Like hunters mark isn't cool or fun. It's just a dice you roll.

[woven flint]

Ranger shouldn't ne confined to Ranged only...
Because that's not really what they are

[remote wadi]

Sure, but I like the big damage on Sharpshooter

[woven flint]

Rangers aren't RANGED
The class identity is a Nature Warden, a Hunter, ect

[valid geyser]

i guess i think my stance on HM is that its fine but it just naturally suffers because it's the most roundabout method of giving a martial a damage buff

[serene monolith]

At least for Rangers.

[remote wadi]

By the way, I wanted to ask

How is Uncanny Dodge not talked about more often?

[hidden spindle]

Deadlier on a Monk

[valid geyser]

rogues like their opportunity attacks

[woven flint]

Because Uncanny Dodge isn't that crazy of a feature lol

[glass granite]

It’s fine. Not broken or anything

[serene monolith]

I've been thinking of letting Rangers cast Hunter's Mark without concentration or just letting the damage scale.

[woven flint]

You'd much rather have your opportunity attack, but Uncanny Dodge is pretty okay in a pinch

[remote wadi]

I suppose so, but to halve any incoming damage on a reaction is very useful if you play a character that doesn't revolve around OAs

[glass granite]

Cuz it’s not any

[remote wadi]

Okay, as long as you see them

[woven flint]

Iirc, Uncanny Dodge only works on Attack Rolls

[remote wadi]

Nope, 2014 is any attacker hitting you with an attack. Nothing on it only being an attack roll

Just as long as you see them

[umbral girder]

That means attack roll

[glass granite]

An “attack” means it has to be an attack roll.

[remote wadi]

Oh

[woven flint]

Level 5: Uncanny Dodge
When an attacker that you can see hits you with an attack roll, you can take a Reaction to halve the attack's damage against you (round down)."

[glass granite]

DnD does not consider, say, fireball an attack

[umbral girder]

That’s why it specifies “Hitting you with An Attack”

[remote wadi]

Well, I guess that makes some more sense

[wanton sorrel]

0_0

[remote wadi]

Silver lining, it should pair pretty well with my Ranger's Absorb Elements

Because now I have pocket resistances to attack rolls and elemental damage

[serene monolith]

Isn't Absorb Elements also a Reaction?

[umbral girder]

Well they can’t stack too.

[hidden spindle]

Have you considered... Natural Explorer?

[woven flint]

Only one reaction

[umbral girder]

Because they both use Reactions.

[remote wadi]

I didn't say for the purpose of stacking

[woven flint]

Absorb Elements is often more useful than uncanny dodge tbh

[umbral girder]

Eh not sure in that one

[remote wadi]

Just that I have options for BPS attacks and elemental attacks

[umbral girder]

At least Uncanny dodge works with resistances for example

[empty thicket]

i think that ranger should get

The Favored foe and natural explorer back but with more terrains and enemies (until reaching a big number of them, a good one like at least half of the terrains//races)

Interact with hunter mark, in base if you use it in any enemy would be 1d6, but if used in favored foe is +1d6

HM scale damage reaching X levels, like a cantrip and after X level become a spell that dont need concentration.
Finally make subclasses change a bit HM, foe and natural.
Something like Hunter get a bit more of damage with Favored foe
Beast master make attacks to that enemy with advantage
etc etc

[serene monolith]

Yeah either or, not both at the same time

[glass granite]

Mhm!

[remote wadi]

Wait wait wait...

I don't think resistances stack, do they?

[glass granite]

No

[woven flint]

Hunters Mark Scaling like a cantrip would pretty much make Rangers using any other spell just not worth it tbh

[glass granite]

But uncanny dodge isn’t resistance I don’t believe

[remote wadi]

It's just halving incoming damage...

[serene monolith]

It shouldn't scale like a cantrip. Scaling like a leveled spell would be better.

[remote wadi]

Wait a second, this changes a lot

[woven flint]

Hunters Mark should've just not been the main focus of a Rangers kit

Same with Paladin smite

[glass granite]

Good for you, eh? Vampire spawn?

[remote wadi]

Well, not a LOT, but it is something

[valid geyser]

paladins are fine because they have a lot more stuff than just smites

[remote wadi]

Bingo. Effectively quad resist

[woven flint]

That's true, but their subclasses often require a smite for an offensive channel Divinity

[serene monolith]

Where are you getting quad resist from?

[empty thicket]

or bard with bard inspiration, or fighter with action surge?

[woven flint]

Resistances don't stack

[empty thicket]

Or barbarian with rage?

[valid geyser]

at least in combat. They got lay on hands, their aura, their channel divinity, lots of stuff even without spending spell slots
rangers, get a lot less of that

[remote wadi]

You don't know this about my character yet, but DM resurrected my character by making him a vampire spawn

[serene monolith]

Resistances of the same damage type don't stack.

[woven flint]

Fighters don't RELY on action surge, though?

[valid geyser]

they sure wouldnt be as good without it

[woven flint]

Their subclasses don't build all around it

[serene monolith]

Rip Fighters.

[woven flint]

The thing is
Hunters Mark is just a BAD spell.

[remote wadi]

They don't, but there's a difference between resistance and just halving incoming damage

[serene monolith]

Literally just a d6 of damage

[serene monolith]

Ah fair enough

[valid geyser]

i mean rangers would be on the crappy end of damage without HM
their subclasses give them a puny damage increase to a single attack

[remote wadi]

So as long as i avoid radiant damage, I already resist BPS damage. And since I am a ranged specialist, I don't usually need my reactions

[woven flint]

There's a Ranger in one of my games I'm in that doesn't use Hunters Mark AT ALL... and doesn't even suffer from missing out on damage.

The point isn't being built around one feature, the point is being built around a BAD or Subpar Feature

[empty thicket]

but they have it, they have too second wind. Its part of their kit.
Some subclasses even use them
Second wind in banneret give Temporal hp and even work around it
action surge too

Okey, can make it not be with every subclass, but with one maybe yes.

[valid geyser]

only like, dual wielding builds get a ton of mileage off of HM

[remote wadi]

So an attack that does 40 slashing damage can be reduced down to 10

[serene monolith]

That's why HM should either scale in damage or not require Concentration.

[remote wadi]

Just at the price of 1 reaction

[main maple]

Hello 👋

[woven flint]

You see, you're making a point that's got nothing to do with what I'm actually saying

Rage, Bardic Inspiration, Action Surge, Focus, Sorcery Points, Channel Divinities...
Are all GOOD features that are flexible.

[empty thicket]

If not, what is the "thing" of Ranger?

[potent vector]

Oh, this again. They're backups. Not better than anyone at anything but can fill in for anyone

[remote wadi]

Just being "half" everything, I guess

[glass granite]

You should have decent ranged superiority against other archers

[empty thicket]

Figther have Second wind and Action surge
Paladin smites
Bard Bardic inspiration
Barbarian Rage
etc. etc.

[serene monolith]

Rage, Bardic Inspiration, Focus, Channel Divinties, etc. Those are Class Features.

HM is a Spell.

[woven flint]

As I've mentioned
I have a Ranger in one of the parties I'm in who just DOESN'T use Hunters Mark, never has and he hasn't struggled because of it

Thats not a good identifying feature

[empty thicket]

But in theory every class have one

[main maple]

Is ranger the most boring class

[remote wadi]

I don't really care about other archers, though. They're not worth using a reaction for one simple reason: I will be using half or 3/4 cover against them anyways

[empty thicket]

Ranger is the class that dont have one? is that their identity?

[potent vector]

Base or subclasses included?

[glass granite]

Just an observation.

[main maple]

Base

[woven flint]

You can NOT Rage as a Barbarian

You can NOT use Focus as a Monk
You can NOT use Sneak Attack as a Rogue, but they WILL struggle.
Rangers just don't need it.

[valid geyser]

i think rangers should be using non-HM spells more. If you are using it as a crutch you do lose out on a lot of practical control spells
but i dont think they should make it more of an important part of their kit

[serene monolith]

I played a Ranger who used HM. But he was also a centaur who had an Eldritch Claw tattoo.

[potent vector]

Definitely

[woven flint]

The problem with Ranger is that their "identifying feature" is only useful situationally and not consistently.

[empty thicket]

Then making it consistenly would be the fixxing of the problem?

[valid geyser]

yeah, i think thats pretty close to my stance where it's "rangers need unique features desperately, and especially combat focused ones"

[woven flint]

Yeah

Focus, Rage, Smite, Sneak Attack, etc etc.
ARE ALL consistently useful

[valid geyser]

there are barely any ranger base class features that are unique to them, and it's like
1d8+wisdom temp HP as an action at level 10??? sure

[potent vector]

Thing is the only actual exclusive ones aren't very good. Conjure Barrage is used, but then they decided to remove the free uses of it, so you hardly get to use it, Entangling Strike is nice but eats up the BA your class wants you to use HM for, and Swift Quiver comes too late to matter

[empty thicket]

Okey, how?

[remote wadi]

The big counter are those people who really are insistent on getting close and staying close

Even if viewing this level 10 playstyle when I am at level 5 is a bit of a stretch, I can still evade a LOT of physical danger by reaching level 7 and getting Cunning Action to Disengage, Dodge, and climb up walls all in the same turn

[woven flint]

How to those being useful or how to make hunters mark consistently useful?

[empty thicket]

how to make hunter mark consistently useful. So it became THE feature of ranger.

[valid geyser]

you also do get a lot of the best druid control spells like spike growth and entangle

[serene monolith]

Rangers really did get shafted huh?

[glass granite]

Best case scenario, no one should be able to get close to you between ensnaring strike, and other PC’s CC and front lining
Unfortunately, almost nothing is best case

[remote wadi]

In my experience for a first campaign and first time playing Ranger, they definitely aren't ultra strong, but if making a meh character work very well is your thing

[twilit summit]

Question: what's the best place to ask if somebody had players with hb race in their campaign?

[woven flint]

First of all, Screw Hunters Mark being a spell
Make it a differently expendable feature like a Channel Divinity or something
That's my number one complaint

[valid geyser]

being a martial character with battlefield control is pretty good, but it could be better

[potent vector]

Make the buffs actually make it scale properly. Removing Concentration at Higher levels, better capstone, maybe even let you increase the effectiveness of the Adv on check to find Mark by letting you also add a d6, etc

[empty thicket]

Yeah, in that one im with you. A feature like those mentioned before.
A feature that can scale with your proficiency

[remote wadi]

If it wasn't evident from how I died, not everything goes according to plan

[twilit summit]

Yo, dude. Congratulate me! I finally got a chance to play my least possible to play character!

[remote wadi]

Also, I picked up Entangle instead of Ensnaring Strike

[glass granite]

Either work

[woven flint]

Second of all
Make hunters mark inherently give an enemy a movement debuff or something that HINDERS a foe enough to be useful
It shouldn't only just HAVE to do damage

[potent vector]

(notice: the non exclusive to Ranger spell . . .)

[remote wadi]

What?

[woven flint]

Maybe make it like a Cunning or Brutal Strike for example
Maybe you sacrifice the hunters mark damage or something to apply an effect

[potent vector]

Implying Ranger exclusive spells aren't very good in general

[valid geyser]

i think most ranger exclusive spells are fine
and i mean, it's better off than artificer who barely counts as having one

[potent vector]

It makes the most sense with Ranger since they actually get that buff more than once per turn

[potent vector]

Okay, but they get to enspell items and eventually get 10 Fireballs when Ranger gets an action for meager temp HO, that is NOT comparable to Ramger

[fossil hollow]

guh

[remote wadi]

Well, sure. But Ranger still has access to other spells. It's why level 5 is the huge boost

[empty thicket]

Okey i like that, make it you consume the hunter mark but Do X effect//damage.
Scale the uses with proficiency
Apply either true vision to the enemy marked and deny part of his movement//give disadvantage to checks related with Dext

[valid geyser]

i dont disagree but that wasnt really related to the point i was making

[woven flint]

If we take an Example from
Brutal Strikes
You can forgo advantage on ONE attack anytime during the turn to possibly do a Brutal Strike

Make Ranger maybe sacrifice Hunters Mark damage on one attack

Maybe you can like Make them do a dex save or their speed is halved or maybe some other effect that makes Ranger FEEL like a dangerous hunter

[potent vector]

I meant Ranger doesn't get access to features that make up for their spell list since their exclusive spells are all almost bad enough to be ignored. Doublely so when they don't even get very good base features

[woven flint]

Maybe you can apply fear with one of these effects (only situationally useful, but striking fear into your prey LITERALLY is badass)

[hidden spindle]

Not really. Better in '24

[remote wadi]

Wait a second

[valid geyser]

id say the artificer spell list probably is worse. Most artificer subs rely on their subclass to get a good third level spell for RMI

[potent vector]

(I gave mine a save or they lose Reactions for a turn, so it works on creatures regardless of Fear immunity)

Paralyzed with fear type thing

[remote wadi]

For uncanny dodge, is the requirement that the enemy must make an attack roll?

And if so, does that mean spells also fall under Uncanny Dodge as long as I see the spellcaster?

[valid geyser]

if its an attack roll

[remote wadi]

So that's a yes

That means that Uncanny Dodge also stacks with Absorb Elements on attack roll spells

[potent vector]

Both cost a Reaction

[empty thicket]

Consume Hunter mark
Decide which effect you apply:

Fear
Half movement//prone
Damage
Destroy a resistance//immunity on that enemy

[hidden spindle]

As long as its an attack

[remote wadi]

I almost forgot that, RIP

[potent vector]

Alr, gtg

Cya

[empty thicket]

cya

[remote wadi]

Dang, if only there was a way to get more than one reaction per turn

[valid geyser]

I don't really love that idea, because thats a roundabout way of casting a spell

[remote wadi]

Otherwise, being able to quarter incoming attack spell damage would have been funny

[empty thicket]

but that would be another thing, it wont be a spell anymore.
Would be a Feature of the class and lets say you can do the "consume HM" after an attack.
Apply the 1d6 force or apply any effect.
So you can choose between a constant good dps or an effect

[valid geyser]

maybe im misunderstanding, but you'd still have a limited amount of that, right?

youd be consuming a probably kind of scarce resource for a bonus to 1 attack, or something else
that sounds actively worse from a damage perspective

[empty thicket]

You apply hunter mark like a bonus action and feature (uses scale with X + proficiency)
When attacked the creature you can add the 1d6force damage
OR
Do an effect on the creature consuming the mark.

[fossil hollow]

i think i have bingo

[valid geyser]

but hunters mark is only good because it procs on every attack

[empty thicket]

then dont consume it and proc it with every attack

[woven flint]

Indeed

[valid geyser]

i realized where i was misunderstanding

[empty thicket]

Np, i know where too

[valid geyser]

i guess my major complaint is that im assuming this would still be a spellcaster ranger
I dont know if a half-caster should be having cunning/brutal strike type features

[remote wadi]

Wow. I'm starting to realize that Rogue gives really good upsides for only 2 levels worth

[empty thicket]

and the effects can be okey, some subclass can applify some.
Example Assasin with uncany strike poison adding 2d6 P damage

[valid geyser]

like yes, i think ranger could use more combat oriented class features, but id think they should more be like lay on hands and paladin's aura than cunning strike

[lavish flame]

I would not say so. I think having access to Spellcasting is supposed to be the same as thr Brutal/Cunning Strike

[empty thicket]

Welp, if we considerate that Ranger Is an hybrid and again, feature, not anymore spell

[remote wadi]

Dodge, BA Disengage, and then climbing away would be unbelievably difficult to lock down

[valid geyser]

i dont think spellcasting and those features are equal either, i just think half-caster class design shouldnt be too similar to pure martial class design

[empty thicket]

Yep, i think the same
I think there must be differences with the 3 kinds of classes
Martials, hybrids and casters.

[remote wadi]

Disadvantage to all attacks and advantage on all saves within sight, no OAs, and being a vampire spawn gives me full climbing speed

Evasive little prick, he will be

[empty thicket]

But there is the problem, hybrids.
Hybrids have a bit of both worlds, some subclasses turn the class into hybrids too but there are few of those

Bladesinger, Eldritch knight, spore druid, arcane trickster.

[rough basalt]

In a dungeon making mood

[empty thicket]

room full of giga fragile bottles and a beholder sleeping inside of one, if broke any he will wake up and fight the party

[rough basalt]

Dungeon that's nothing but doors and traps
Just as the founding fathers intended

[empty thicket]

Yes. Its in fact a trap
Place some juicy loot like a table with lots of bottles and spellscrolls on it.
Tempt them

[rough basalt]

Make the dungeon icey cold then put a campfire site in a room.

Players go to light it for a short rest and it's a mimic.
If they walk past, the campfire site follows them.

[empty thicket]

oh , i expected if they light it on would melt the ice around them and free some creatures

[rough basalt]

Ooo that's a good one

[fluid bay]

Im so bewildered rn. Im a beginner dm that had a game set up for 2 weeks. I learned dungeon scrawl for this and the 4 players I found seemed ready to play and had their character sheets done pretty early....the game was today and everyone ghosted...what? Hello? Is this normal?

[empty thicket]

or if turned on would summon a fire elemental or smt like that

[rough basalt]

Turned on, it thaws the whole dungeon freeing everything

[tropic plank]

Did you get the dates and timezones correct?

[rough basalt]

While not normal, not rare either

[fluid bay]

Yeah I made sure to mention the time zones for everyone

Oh goodness...

[rough basalt]

Online you often gotta expect at least 1 person will ghost

[tropic plank]

Ask them for reasons, and if they’re avoidant just ditch them

[rough basalt]

A whole group ghosting sounds like bad luck or they misunderstood the time zone

[idle oar]

Hard to know but if your players are minors, they may not yet understand the social implications and impacts caused by agreeing to something and then not showing up.

[fluid bay]

Ive sent 2 messages to the group so far and ive got nothing yet I just had to pop in and make sure im not insane

[tropic plank]

At least you can recycle any ideas you put into the campaign
It is quite unfortunate and I hope you get a cooperative party soon :3

[fluid bay]

Thankfully yeah, I have all the maps ready to reuse at least

[lusty kelp]

Sadly, yes.

[rough basalt]

Most I've had ghost at one time was 2 personally

[fluid bay]

I mean technically just 3 out of 4. The 4th said they had to dip yesterday but it was still just the day before

[severe rampart]

Oof, sorry to hear that

[safe thistle]

so i am going shadow monk, and i realize that shadow monks cant see in their own darkness spell

[molten pumice]

Wish divine soul was in the post 24 releases... I'm coming to terms with the realization that of the 2024 phb sorcerer subclasses the only one I inherently like is dragon... wild magic stresses me out and even though I can do stuff woth aberrant and clockwork, neither of those would be on my radar if not for the limited alternatives. I could possibly do something with spellfire when I get that book, but there are other subclasses from the faerun book I'm more interested in, and also... money 😣... but I liked divine soul... they should give me that back.

[idle oar]

At least one of them communicated - that’s at least a good sign even if they couldn’t make it.

[molten pumice]

Gotta get that warlock dip for devil sight

[glass granite]

They can in 2024 rules

In 2014 tho…

[safe thistle]

yeah, we are doing 2014, so i have to take an invocation to get that ability

[glass granite]

Or get blindsight

[safe thistle]

ill pass

[tropic plank]

Maybe if you’re not hard pressed choose a race with dark vision? Would that work

[safe thistle]

no, it wont, darkness is a magical darkness. if that would work, then my catfolk would had been fine, but since its magical, i cant see in that darkness

[valid geyser]

it would not. darkness the spell creates magical darkness

[tropic plank]

I see
Maybe some kind of magic item, if your dm is open to it

[glass granite]

I assume you have enough charisma to multiclass?

[safe thistle]

i can just get the feat of it.

[glass granite]

Ah true

[serene monolith]

Tasha's was better

[remote wadi]

Well

Starting to realize just how unbelievable having 8 resistances will be

Well, 9

4 innately, 5 costing a reaction spell

[unique moat]

my apologies. will move it.

[rough basalt]

'24 is just Tashas with gunk cut out and an extra something something

[tranquil mango]

Just had to share this with the group and I hope it’s not considered self promotion 😬 I am just about to introduce my kids to DND for the first time. My oldest son is 23 and my youngest son is 16 and they are choosing to play DND with me on a Friday night.

Anyone have some bardic inspiration for me? I don’t think the heroic inspiration is going to be enough lol

[lusty kelp]

I like 24 Ranger.

[timid current]

#1 with a bullet: you got this

[lusty kelp]

Alongside 24 pally, lock and artificer. My favs

[tropic plank]

If your kids are cool with playing the game with their dad I think they’re rocking, hope you all have a wonderful time

[wanton sorrel]

i thought the max was level 20???

[loud tendon]

they may be referring to the edition.. 2024 edition

[wanton sorrel]

ah ok...

[tropic plank]

Some beings get to be higher though

[lusty kelp]

This, yeah. 24 edition

I like the new editoon's half-casters(and pact)

[wanton sorrel]

wait really?

[timid current]

20 is still the "max level" in 2024

[jovial shadow]

Probably should add 2024 or simply '24 for people just tuning in

[timid current]

there are creatures with a higher CR but that's a different metric

[lusty kelp]

Monsters can get the equivalent up to 30 CR

[tropic plank]

Yeah, that was more what I meant
Vecna for instance is considered a 30th level spellcaster (I believe) and has a CR of 26

[lusty kelp]

Also, can play past level 20 by taking feats instead of levels

[wanton sorrel]

right... i know that... but i didn't know it involves level

[wanton sorrel]

now that is something i never knew about.

[lusty kelp]

Yep. It's buried in the dmg

[tropic plank]

I’m trying to research Vecna and all I’m finding is stranger things :0 ‘_‘

[lusty kelp]

Try the Forgotten Realms wiki

[jovial shadow]

The upper limit for PC's is only 20th level, but you can still gain XP and take Feats/Boons. Only your ability scores will increase up to 30 max.

[serene monolith]

Make sure you put dnd somewhere in there

[blissful ibex]

see, this was his evil plan all along! now no one can find out his weaknesses!

[tropic plank]

Apparently in 4e Vecna was a level 35 ‘controller’ whatever that means
Take that with a grain of salt, it came from a fandom wiki

[serene monolith]

Yep

[wanton sorrel]

yeap stranger things hellfire club :3 D&D game with the maps cards and etc...

[tropic plank]

Just like Disney

[feral fulcrum]

You can do that with just a feat. At least in 2014 rules.

[jovial shadow]

Blindsight is offered as a feat in 2024

[fossil hollow]

4e introduced the idea of monster roles; basically a name for how the monster fights. You have stuff like:

• Solider. Monsters who focus on making sure other creatures take less damage.
• Controller. Monsters who focus on controlling their enemies or the battlefield, lots of CC effects.
• Artillery. Hits heavy from far away, prefers to snipe and barrage from above.
  to name a few

[feral fulcrum]

But is it still uselessly short?

[fossil hollow]

10 ft from Skulker yeah

[tropic plank]

Oh that’s nice to know
I’m still not playing 4e

[fossil hollow]

I learned about the concept from MCDM's Flee Mortals, and ive been applying that logic to my homebrew monsters ever since

[jovial shadow]

I mean 10 ft stinks, but you see more things than with Devil Sight. shrug

[feral fulcrum]

This is because AI has ruined the algorthims something fierce

[wanton sorrel]

i thihnk Vecna can be found in D&Dbeyond

[tropic plank]

I looked at beyond but it’s behind an add on

[wanton sorrel]

yeap!

[tropic plank]

Yeah I don’t own the Vecna dlc

[feral fulcrum]

Books, not DLC.

[fossil hollow]

He's in Vecna: Eve of Ruin. His statblock is pretty eh

[feral fulcrum]

But TLDR Lich who became a God, his corpse bits such as his hand keep popping up and giving people fantastical evil magic powers.

[tropic plank]

On the app it is by definition downloadable content no?

[feral fulcrum]

That's all your really need to know about him. He's old, scary, and will turn you into a zombie.

[tropic plank]

Oh I know the lore
I was trying to see if anywhere mentioned his level beyond a CR26

[wanton sorrel]

maybe in previous editions

[feral fulcrum]

He wouldn't have a level because he's not a PC.

5E doesn't do levels for monsters.

[tropic plank]

I know 5e doesn’t but I saw it mentioned somewhere and I wanted to check if he ever had one

[serene monolith]

You can always add a couple of things and bump his CR up

[wanton sorrel]

2e i think not level but CR is way up

[grizzled lance]

guh

[wanton sorrel]

which led to the lich

[lusty kelp]

Too bad Tasha isn't in Stranger Things. My favorite witch-girl

[grizzled lance]

did you know that Tasha the witch studied under Baba yaa

[tropic plank]

Baba yaas

[jovial shadow]

Yeah it was 2e. He's listed as Demigod level in an adventure setting, where he manifests as a 20th level Wizard to mortals. However, he can utilize all lich abilities as well.

[empty thicket]

any example of lvl 12 spell?

im curious now of how powerful they were

[past trout]

Karsus’s avatar

It’s the only 12 th level spell

It was so powerful it killed a god so that’s why u can only cast 9th level spells now

Basically there was this mage named karsus who wanted to become a god

So he invented a spell to steal the power of the god of magic

[grizzled lance]

Peak

[feral fulcrum]

Something something promptply destroyed a good chunk of a setting.

[past trout]

Inadvertently disrupting the weave so badly that hundreds of millions died and the very universe was in shambles

So that’s why u can only cast 9th level spells now

[tropic plank]

And nuking the game itself if I’m not mistaken

[feral fulcrum]

And that's why 5E is the way that it do be now. At least in the setting where Karsus is a thing.

[past trout]

Because the god said “no” to anything tenth level or above

[past trout]

I believe he did this in 3 or 2e

[tropic plank]

Some lich can still use their higher magic right?

[feral fulcrum]

3E I'm fairly sure

[past trout]

Uh epic magic is different from 10 level spells

The reason question I have is how can mages practice their spells if they only get like 3 tries a day?

How can u get good at casting fireball with like 1 third level spell slot lol

[wanton sorrel]

I don't know

[feral fulcrum]

Because Gameplay and fluff seperation.

[wanton sorrel]

couldn't they do a short rest?

[tropic plank]

They obviously sleep every time they’re not working
Wizards are like cats and sorcerers are like dogs, while Warlocks are akin to snakes

[past trout]

True

[feral fulcrum]

Spell slots on Wizard recover on long rests.

[past trout]

Still that’s a lot of downtime

[past trout]

8 hours

[wanton sorrel]

8 hours... now i know i shouldn't made a wizard... x'D

[naive cedar]

Yet another reason wizards are the best

[past trout]

This is why I like the spell point system

Not the slot system which is harder to understand and also makes no sense

[feral fulcrum]

The slot system is extremely straightforward

[past trout]

Why would the energies in your body be a pool of specific types that can only be used at different power levels

[lusty kelp]

Wizards are also closer to programmers, writing out magic codes, bards look for Words of power in the arts. Sorcerers are the only ones who grow with practice

[past trout]

Instead of one big pool of energy

[tropic plank]

Fellow adventurers we need to waste a third of the day because I used one too many casts of Booming Blade

[past trout]

And warlocks do the uhhh.. forbidden arts

[past trout]

HAHAHAHHA TRUE

[austere axle]

you can do big bursts fewer times but small bursts more often

[feral fulcrum]

I don't see what about Spell slots could be even remotely confusing.

[lusty kelp]

Have teachers. Artificers have recipes.

[wanton sorrel]

is there such a thing for scrolls for spell slots?

[tropic plank]

I used my analogy becuase wizards are lazy but have a lot of spells, like a cat making a steady pace, and sorcerers have less slots but more power like a dog exhausting quicker. Warlocks of course need frequent mini rests like a snake bathing in the sun

[severe rampart]

Survived my asian parents with straight As, thankfully can still play DnD without a problem

[austere axle]

think of it like hitting your PR in lifting, you won't do another set, but you are able to lift 2/3s of it still
Mana systems could work, but you can't just crunch the slots down into a single number, because being able to cast your best spells more can knock balance off

[tropic plank]

Sorcerers can convert their points into spell slots if I’m not mistaken

[past trout]

The point is this

[feral fulcrum]

No. Scrolls allow you to cast the spell on the Scroll. Without using one of your Spell Slots.

[wanton sorrel]

then it's best for wizards to use the scrolls

[limber trail]

a spellcaster yeah generally, doesn't need to be a wizard specifically (assuming the class can cast the spell)

[feral fulcrum]

Correct, if you're worried about resource conservation. However that requires money and looting.

[tropic plank]

I think spell slots are more visual indicators of the magical levels of the wizard
Lots of spells can be upcast to take more of the wellspring, while some spells at base require more

Think of them like autism spoons

[severe rampart]

Pardon??

[wanton sorrel]

true...

[tropic plank]

?

[severe rampart]

Sorry, I was just shocked by the term "autism spoons"

[feral fulcrum]

Wizards both get some of the most spell slots at higher levels, and the biggest spell list, and like 20+ spells you can prepare.

[wanton sorrel]

me two

[blissful ibex]

spoon theory do be like that

[tropic plank]

Oh! A common method of dealing with social batteries is to consider them in terms of ‘spoons’
Some tasks take up a single spoon while some take more
You have a set amount of spoons and once you’ve used them all you’ve exhausted your social battery

[wanton sorrel]

wait do you have to roll for scrolls?

[tropic plank]

I believe they function like the regular spell

[feral fulcrum]

Only if they're higher level then you can cast.

[wanton sorrel]

ok i was wondering for a moment

[tropic plank]

I started using it recently because I noticed I was finding it hard to deal with obtaining motivation

I’m thinking of printing little ‘inspiration’ templates to use as the spoons

[blissful ibex]

The scroll has to be a spell available to your character by their spell list
The spell on the scroll takes it's normal casting time
You don't use a spell slot and you don't need any listed material, incluiding costly materials as they would have been used when the scroll was made
If the scroll is of a higher level in the class spell list than is avilable to be cast based on your level in that class, you have to roll an arcana check, otherwise, you just cast it

[wanton sorrel]

ok

[tropic plank]

Also wizards can spend some gold and time to learn the spell outright

[limber trail]

(Assuming it's on their spell list)

[feral fulcrum]

A Wizard's money goes into buying scrolls and spending money to learn from said scrolls. And then they mug the rest of the party for more gold.

[tropic plank]

I keep collecting the scrolls like ‘I’m gonna learn them all eventually’ and they sit in my list of items for all time

[blissful ibex]

Meanwhile my character buying up scrolls of fog cloud, warding wind, and remove curse

[austere axle]

the urge to uproot the scroll industry in my next campaign and become a stock holder in magical ink

[hidden spindle]

That's valid. I'm biased since I fell in love with pre-Tasha's

[feral fulcrum]

Pray that it's not using Xanathar's rules, or you'll be spending months, and rolling many checks with a 10% of blowing up in your face and wasting your time and money, to make like level 3 scrolls.

[blissful ibex]

basically, you should have a few spell scrolls for spells that are very useful in specific situations but not general enough to warrant being a prepared spell

[tropic plank]

That’s given me an idea for some kind of wizard who uses ink to cast spells

Like you carry a pot of ink and it represents your spell slots, and when you cast you’re using a pen or brush to write out the spells name in the air and it turns from writing into the spell

[serene monolith]

Honestly thinking of letting all spellcasters use scrolls regardless of what it is, while non-spellcasters have to pass an Intelligence check.

[feral fulcrum]

You'd be better off with potions.

[tropic plank]

‘Make sure you pass the reading check’

[austere axle]

Neat! I did similiar for an npc who used burning incense rods to write out sigils in the air and would ignite the smoke

[hidden spindle]

Go all out like BG3 did with Scrolls

[tropic plank]

Would a spell scroll be a basic intelligence check or something like arcana or perception

[serene monolith]

Nah I'm still probably going to do it

[serene monolith]

Either basic Intelligence or Arcana

[tropic plank]

Before the campaign you have to ask if the characters can read

[fossil hollow]

Its Arcana for making em

[eager marsh]

casting from a spell scroll is a spellcasting ability check not arcana

[serene monolith]

Huh apparently I can't use strike through here in this server.

[feral fulcrum]

I'm curious how many DM's bother to use the various languages.

[fossil hollow]

As a bilingual person, its pretty easy to make monsters speak in other languages

[tropic plank]

We were theorising on how a non caster would be able to understand a scroll

[idle oar]

Strikethrough is not conveyed to screenreaders or text to speech tools usually thus creating issues for our blind/visually impaired users trying to follow along.

[serene monolith]

Oh ok

[feral fulcrum]

I mean the in universe languages. Such that everyone and everything isn't just in common 24/7, and having a wide range of known languages is actually useful.

[fossil hollow]

yes. that doesnt change my answer

[eager marsh]

Oh. They wouldnt, they arent even a caster and other casters arent able to recognize spells that arent theirs either. Why would a non caster be able to?

[fossil hollow]

im bilingual. I know how to not speak a language all people speak

[tropic plank]

I’d probably just say A thousand years ago the…idk Hearthborne council of arch mages cast a mass translation spell on the world

[blissful ibex]

Sadly its incredibly difficult to learn languages in 5e,2024 due to the lack of available downtime in most campaigns

[tropic plank]

That is why I said theorising, bud

[fossil hollow]

aka, i use other languages a lot

[serene monolith]

RAW, that would be correct. But this would probably be a bit of homebrew.

[feral fulcrum]

Except for the various classes and races that give you like, 6 for existing

[eager marsh]

I can read. I more meant, it shouldnt be an option because casters cant even recognize other class spells without using identify

[hidden spindle]

There was a phrase that mentioned non-casters wouldn't even know components somewhere...

[blissful ibex]

otherwise, if you can find a teacher, it's 10-int mod weeks at 25gp per week per the variant XGE rules, learning 5 days each week
or 250 days and 250gp per the phb 2014 rules
or only 30 days with a Mark of Prestige

[atomic kayak]

Downtime is more common than most people think

[tropic plank]

I feel like there’s an in game market for books of other classes spells
Wizards are canonically nerds! They’d definitely eat up a book on Druid magic even if they can’t cast it

[atomic kayak]

Large sedentary extended bouts of downtime might (arguably) be rare - but downtime during travel is very common. Especially if you are only doing 8hrs of travel a day

[eager marsh]

varies by setting. magic libraries full of spells do exist in some worlds. Fearun has one

[serene monolith]

I should make one of those for my world.

[feral fulcrum]

Breif downtime, sure. "Okay now we're going to do nothing for months, what do?" Not so much.

[eager marsh]

Gavinhallow is a highly effective true neutral bastion of knowledge

[wanton sorrel]

75gp for first level spells.... 0_0 now i want to cry.

[feral fulcrum]

That's cheap.

[tropic plank]

I’m surprised there isn’t-to my knowledge-a spell called true speak or something that grants understanding of all languages

I know speak with animals and dead exist

…would speak with animals allow you to understand any humanoid?

[feral fulcrum]

Tongues.

[tropic plank]

So there is! Perfect

[serene monolith]

I think there's a case for spellcasters being able to use spell scrolls from other classes. It might not be effective, but it could be decent for a last resort.

[feral fulcrum]

And Comprehend Lanugages lets you read everything.

[tropic plank]

It’d make most sense for a wild magic Sorcerer to not be restricted to a single class worth of magic

[serene monolith]

And Wizards. They would definitely be wanting to get hands on some new spells

[blissful ibex]

it's 50 now IIRC with the PHB 2024 update

[tropic plank]

Dam, it’s only beasts

[fossil hollow]

.. its called speak with animals

[feral fulcrum]

Something Something "People are animals DM, lemme speak with the peoples."

[tropic plank]

Humans are animals! I wasn’t sure

I am now though, it defines it as only non humanoid

[fossil hollow]

humans arent the only humanoids

[blissful ibex]

Circle of Shepherds Druid gets Sylvan and a special, permanently on version of speak with animals too
sadly the level 6 feature of the subclass is completely broken in 5e.24 and the level 14 feature references a spell that works completely differently now

But the thing you're thinking of is the third level spell Tongues

[atomic kayak]

Sure, but a lot of the downtime activities people complain about never getting to do are extremely doable over the course of travel. 5 days of travel is 5 days of downtime (assuming 8hrs of travel)

[tropic plank]

That’s something artificers rely on a lot isn’t it

[fossil hollow]

ive been using downtime a lot on my Waterdeep campaign

[remote wadi]

Orcs, Goblins, Dwarves, Vampires, Tiefling, Halfling, probably forgot plenty others

[atomic kayak]

Not any more than other classes

[wintry bane]

I try to get my players to use their downtime in ways that help explain where they want to go for levelups

[blissful ibex]

Issue is the Training Downtime Activity

[tropic plank]

You could say infusions are a downtime thing since it’s only after a long rest

[feral fulcrum]

Not really, no. Artificer's stuff works via their Infusions which can be done at any typical resting point.

[wintry bane]

Like a battlemaster training new moves, or a wildmagic sorcerer casting leftover spells to try and grow accustomed to the surges

[blissful ibex]

also the Dragon Heist campaign I'm running presently is fairly stingy with gold and item rewards vs the party size >.>

[feral fulcrum]

No more then a Wizard preparing their spells is.

[fossil hollow]

i tend to hand out big payouts since the party usually gets into some influencial people's good graces

[blissful ibex]

we're level 5 and have received a grand total of 1 magic item for a party of 7 people
I outright purchased a second one with several quests worth of gold

[tropic plank]

Geez
Your dm is rather tight pursed

[serene monolith]

Dang

[pallid oracle]

honestly that doesnt seem that abnormal ngl

the abnormal part is the party of 7 people

hooooooooly

[feral fulcrum]

That's the downside of Pre-made adventures, yes. It's a One Size Fits Most, but always Poorly sort of deal with them.

[serene monolith]

I usually try to give everyone at least a magic item. That way no one feels left out.

[tropic plank]

When I’m a dm I like to allow a single, mostly non useful magic item for my players to chose at the start as a little flavour thing

[blissful ibex]

schedule in the 2024 dmg recomends 11 magic items by the end of tier 1 for the entire party 6 common, 4 uncommon, 1 rare

[serene monolith]

Though I'm about to run a jailbreak campaign soon, and magic items are going to be a lot harder to come by.

[soft wolf]

Has anyone figured out how to auto add temp hp from spells to @hp_temp in Roll20?

[blissful ibex]

One Instrument of Illusions (Flute) please
dumb that Bard gets to tripple the size rather than it requiring proficiency in the instrument and/or performance though

[pallid oracle]

I treat it like baldurs gate 3 everyone has a magic item! check an urn? magic item.

no actually I try different stuff to power scale my party. I like the idea of magic items being rare and harder to get your hands on. however ive implemented magical tattoos that give a once a day effect. which im sure my players would appreciate rather than just some low level magic item sword +1 stuff

[feral fulcrum]

I'm pretty sure those kinds of Tattoos exist as official items

[pallid oracle]

Tasha's but theres only a couple of them that ive seen

[tropic plank]

My last campaign was I think a cape of waterbreathing for a fire based sorcerer, a pendant that stopped scrying for a paranoid paladin and a lute with speak with dead for a bard haunted by their ghost loved ones

[blissful ibex]

Cloak of the Manta Ray

[tropic plank]

That’s the one!

[blissful ibex]

I like the silly flavor items and know a good few of them

[feral fulcrum]

My group bought a bunch of them before going on a boat trip to an island.

[tropic plank]

Who on Faerun was selling a large amount of manta ray cloaks

[feral fulcrum]

Because more likely then not, your boat trip will go about as well as Airplane rides in an episode of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.

[serene monolith]

I know someone who flavored a Bag of Tricks as their stuffed animals from when they were a kid.

[tropic plank]

Are they some kind of staple for the clothing stores

[blissful ibex]

my Druidlock can just wildshape into a fish or something until she finally gets warlock level 5 at char level 10~11 for Gift of the Depths

[fossil hollow]

volo (theyre all cursed)

[serene monolith]

He doesn't even know they're cursed

[feral fulcrum]

A clothing shop in a big port city run entirely by wizards, full of yet more wizards.

[tropic plank]

You wanted Manta Ray cloaks?!
Not Man to row cloaks?

[fossil hollow]

theyre made out of those demon rays that follow Demogorgon

[tropic plank]

Is the water deep there

[fossil hollow]

in some parts yeah

[serene monolith]

(Is there water in Waterdeep?)

[feral fulcrum]

It wasn't Waterdeep. No. :V Homebrew campaign setting.

[tropic plank]

It’s on the sword coast

[feral fulcrum]

So it's full of swords that wash up and stab you in the toes?

[tropic plank]

The beaches are all swords, the water is very deep, and it’s always summer

[safe thistle]

actually, i did some research, i might multiclass into sorcerer

[glass granite]

Shadow?

[tropic plank]

Every time I see your pfp I do a little involuntary ‘aww’

[glass granite]

Isn’t the lil one cuteee

[silver dock]

would something like this be possible within the game's rules?

[fossil hollow]

reflavor your spells

[tropic plank]

If it isn’t you can always homebrew it into existence

[fossil hollow]

with DM permission ofc

[tropic plank]

If you’re using it in a campaign, for sure
If you’re just creating an idea go wild

[fossil hollow]

problem with just creating an idea is that... it just sits there

[blissful ibex]

Acid Splash is an artificer cantrip, flavor it as tossing acid grenades

[silver dock]

i loved playing through plague of shadows so i wanna have a go at being the little green menace in a ttrpg game or smth

[woven flint]

Holy hell, slightly off-topic, cuz Starfinder:
But me, my robot and another party member in the party just helldivers dived out of our spaceship without parachutes and we took no damage, it was great

[fossil hollow]

what use is homebrew if its not gonna be used is my philosophy

[silver dock]

did you land with one fist to the ground?

[tropic plank]

It fills me with joy to fill my notes app with a billion potential spells, classes and races and always have too much anxiety to use ‘em

[blissful ibex]

I'm far more partial trying to get as close as possible within RAW to have something work in a mechanically reasonable way c:

[woven flint]

No, my characters a tiny rat man, he was riding on his Robots back as they dived out of the ship
Our other party member did though

[tropic plank]

They all survived, yes-yes?

[silver dock]

he did say they took no damage which is awesome

[woven flint]

We took no damage, so... yeah

Bucket (Me, Ysoki Mechanic)
S.A.K.R (Buckets Robot)
And
Danger (Our Soldier)
Helldivers dived into the middle of a Horde of demon possessed androids

We're absolutely ripping and tearing!

[silver dock]

for democracy right

[woven flint]

Uh...
For the Sake of our Universe lol

[silver dock]

oh yeah another fun idea i had for my (potential) character is

[blissful ibex]

that's basically my druidlock
she has a +3~+4 cha mod and the only cha skill she is proficient in is performance

[tropic plank]

Any warlock multiclass is so funny because it’s like
‘It’s the latest in arcane technology, the Druidlock 2000, keeps all wild shapes firmly out of your valuables!’

[naive cedar]

warlock multiclass is just someone deciding to spice up their boring 9-5 fighter (or whatever) with some contracts

[silver dock]

how does chat feel about sorlock?

[severe rampart]

I have no opinions on Sorcerers, but Warlocks are cool

[naive cedar]

im surprised sorlock isnt more common

[severe rampart]

mainly because I have not played a Sorcerer yet

[serene monolith]

My first character was a Fighter/Warlock multiclass

[fossil hollow]

a decent multiclass

[blissful ibex]

Prefer Bardlock but Scorlock is cool

really like my druidlock though, even if she's incredibly far from 'optimal'

[naive cedar]

fightlock

[tropic plank]

I don’t think playing the child in the middle of a custody battle in DnD as well as real life is in most players expectations, could just be me

[naive cedar]

is fighter/cleric a thing? i have a fighter/cleric in bg3 and its fun. specifically war cleric/champion

[jolly crypt]

I’ve always wanted to run a Fire Emblem-esque campaign. Not necessarily matching the same story beats, but a campaign where you recruit a bunch of different characters and go into battle with them.

[naive cedar]

omg i love fire emblem

[tropic plank]

Like Pokémon?

[jolly crypt]

More like army building?

[tropic plank]

Anything’s a thing as long as the dm don’t mind

[woven flint]

Probably, but you could probably just be a War Cleric to fit a similar feel

War Cleric is so damn fun in 2024 👀

[tropic plank]

Ultimate power move is picking barbarian/monk

[serene monolith]

Fire Emblem mentioned? That's one of my hyper fixations atm

[naive cedar]

I went with war cleric/champion multiclass because i wanted to be a gish and war cleric isnt really a full gish

[naive cedar]

Fire emblem is peak

[jolly crypt]

Mass army combats as designed in 5e do kinda slog a little. One way I could probably do it is as a guild management campaign where you need to dispatch and put together other parties.

(In addition to your own party, of course)

[tropic plank]

Maybe use a necromancer and quickly paint over all the mentions of undead and magic

[naive cedar]

monk is just chilled out barbarian

I mean tbh the fire emblem games dont really have mass combatants. The most I think you can have in any game is like, twelve units?

[tropic plank]

That’s not me casting enhanced leap on my zombie, that’s me using a morale boost on my mercenary!

[naive cedar]

I want to go play genealogy of the holy war again now

[jolly crypt]

Maybe I just don’t like combat, but I think a 12-combatant initiative would be a SLOG let alone a 12 member party + enemies.

[naive cedar]

That is fair yeah

[severe rampart]

Once had a combat encounter that went on for 3 hours.

[naive cedar]

it works better in a video game than in a tabletop game

[tropic plank]

This is why DnD games rarely have large scale battles of two factions, it’s normally the party v a small army and maybe an ally or two

[jolly crypt]

Same, and that was a 9-combatant initiative.😭😭😭

[naive cedar]

Okay that sounds painful lol

[limpid heath]

hi!

[severe rampart]

It wasn't even 9, we were just ~5-6 combatants I think

[limpid heath]

I have no clue about anything dnd related but i thought I might give it a shot

[potent vector]

There are rules for large scale combats

[jolly crypt]

Taking more inspiration from Fire Emblem, I do like the idea of having batallions where your characters are ‘leaders’ on the map. One token would represent a whole squad

[jolly crypt]

Are there official rules? I haven’t cracked open the 2024 handbook.

[tropic plank]

Might as well pull out the risk board and play that for a little while

[naive cedar]

in terms of character archetypes, i'd love to play a pegasus knight in dnd but idk if that could work