dnd-discussion

[reef tundra]

Heyy I got a bat race too! Twinning!

[urban river]

peak!

[reef tundra]

I got around the flying thing by just having them have a climb speed until level 3 when they finally get a fly speed

[urban river]

ahhh

i just made them really slo

[rancid stratus]

I sorta wanna do Exemplar but it feels outrageous

[brisk gate]

Helloo

How r u all

[reef tundra]

Hoiii

[deep sparrow]

Hi hi

[limber trail]

if a DM tells me they haven't indulged and made some absolutely vile homebrew at least once, they're lying to me

[reef tundra]

Everyone’s got homebrew skeletons in their closet

[limber trail]

not even skeletons I've got an utterly horrifying sword that hasn't even seen use yet, it's coming out for the first time tomorrow

Artifact that, at it's max potential, can deal up to 14d6 damage (which takes a lot of time & luck to get up to)

[empty thicket]

Okey!! im bad with some puzzles sorry!! didnt knew the hand had those much bones and now it look weird an... and is in the closet so no one see it....
Solly

[timber raven]

Why do I feel like all my Homebrew creations are tame?

Ring of The Devoted

This ring has 1 charge, and it regains 1 expended charge daily at dawn. When you become frightened while wearing it, you can use your reaction to expend 1 of its charges to become immune to the frightened condition for 1d4 hours.

While wearing this ring, you are able to recall most things from yours and other religions, allowing you either advantage to Religion (Intelligence) Checks or you can use your Spellcasting Modifier in place of Intelligence, this effects do not stack. However, your devotion has lead you turn away from False Truths and Deceits, granting you disadvantage on any Deception (Charisma) Checks you make while the ring is worn.

Damn, going back I definitely need to clean my grammar.

[limber trail]

oh yeah that's relatively fine

[reef tundra]

My homebrew ranges from “that’s kinda cool” to “oh dear god…. No….. don’t”

[timber raven]

Waterborn

-# Starting Feat

prerequisite: race: Water Genasi

Your exposure to the water has allowed you to shape it with ease.

• You learn the shape water cantrip, and can have two active portions of this cantrip at once.
• You can cast two actions of Shape Water in the same Action.

Someone explain to me why the Water Genasi don't just start with Shape Water... it has never made sense to me.

[limber trail]

I don't think most of my homebrew is disgustingly overpowered.... or at least, the stuff that I choose to be overpowered is overpowered

[wicked sigil]

Mine get complicated

[knotty pasture]

I like the idea of incorporating some Larianbrew into campaigns for the weaker/questionable classes/features

[timber raven]

I will say one thing: GREASE BEING CONCENTRATION ALWAYS PISSED ME OFF

[knotty pasture]

Wait is it conc cuz I checked and it didn't say the puddle is conc

[limber trail]

wait it's what

[timber raven]

Wait. They must have changed it. I always remembered Grease being concentration. That's why I always threw Gale away to be forever camped.

[knotty pasture]

The Wizard

[timber raven]

Yeah, I don't like Wizards.

[limber trail]

it's not conc, looks like it never has been

[timber raven]

I remember venting to my friend so hard about it being concentration.

Could it be because I was playing Early Access? Was it concentration then?

[limber trail]

no clue

[frank cedar]

Hello im new to dnd

I'm trying to find a water deep Campane around my area

[oak grotto]

Most of the games that are advertised here are online. You would be better off going to your nearest game store.

If u want to learn how to play however #dnd-newcomers is a good place for you to go.

[real epoch]

hello

[stray sage]

Which damage type would you say is more common, acid, psychic, force or necrotic?

[timber raven]

Force is the LEAST common, followed by Psychic.

Necrotic and Acid are actually relatively the same level of common.

[reef tundra]

I was about to argue that necrotic is rarer but then I remembered the last time I was hit by an attack that dealt acid damage was like years ago

Yeah. They’re equally rare

And each have a creature type that generally deals that type of damage

[feral fulcrum]

I'll never really get the hate for flying from certain DMs.

[knotty pasture]

Flying loses a lot of its power if the flying person goes melee

[feral fulcrum]

Or if the DM remembers Bows exist.

[knotty pasture]

Its like darkvision, if even one person in your team doesn't have darkvision and needs a light source in the dark, suddenly its moot

[feral fulcrum]

As do spellcasters.

[timber raven]

You're asking me to make a 2D battlemap 3D. That's a lot of mental work on top of everything else.

My rule is the following:

• You can use your Flying Speed for roleplay.
• You can use your Flying Speed in Combat, but if you take damage you have to roll a constitution save to stay in the air or fall prone.

[timber raven]

Sometimes I pull out a gun.

[reef tundra]

God dayum, nerfed it into the ground

I’m not leaning to one side or the other I’m just saying I think that’s a pretty big nerf

[reef tundra]

-# Literally /j

[timber raven]

Well, if you got shot you'd forget to flap your wings. It only makes sense.

[pliant sapphire]

So your dragons never fly?

[feral fulcrum]

Considering that the majority of encoutners will be inside buildings and cramped places, I don't think it's particuarly arduous to remember "Oh yeah you're ten feet up at most."

[limber trail]

yeah but that's also not how the mechanics of the game work

[feral fulcrum]

If you stub your toe do you forget how legs work?

[timber raven]

This rule is mainly for Aarocokra and Owlin whose wings are their hands.

[hot marlin]

I don't get the problem with flying. It's not complicated. All you need is to remember the distance between the character and the ground.

[limber trail]

neither owlins nor aarocokra work like this

[hot marlin]

Making a 2D battlemap 3D is not " a lot of mental work". It's one number

[timber raven]

My brain is tired. I just looked it back up.

[limber trail]

in official art for both of these species, they have separate hands and wings

[hot gate]

I was just about to say, they both have six limbs

[reef tundra]

I don’t wanna take sides or anything because I can see arguments for both sides but I myself am fine with flying players

[timber raven]

You're right lol.

[hot marlin]

Seriously, what is it about flying PCs that intimidates people so much?

[feral fulcrum]

90% of arguements I see is "It's more work and I hate it."

And 10% "They cheese it too much and I hate it."

[hot marlin]

One number is more work?

[timber raven]

Well, considering that my rule was based on having the same limbs for flight and hands, I must say that I have no reason to not allow flying.

So therefore I guess I'll allow it.

[feral fulcrum]

It's the most common argument I see about it. I personally don't think it's very hard to track at all, especially on roll20 where you can just add a little number on the token.

[timber raven]

Aha! I now see where I was confused:

Earlier versions of D&D had illustrations in which aarakocra did not have both arms and wings. Instead, their hands were akin to those of bats, with fingers part way along their wings. Yet in 5e, the illustrations for aarakocra picture them with arms that are independent of their wings.

While it may not be true, this is probably what I internalized.

[hot marlin]

One number. You just remember or write down a number for the character's altitude. That's it. This is not "more work". Now, the one difficulty I could see is in figuring out the distance between two characters when flight is in play but... Pythagoras gave you all the tools two thousand and five hundred years ago

[frank bane]

Hi, at what stages of the game do the players have the strongest impact when making decisions for levelling?

[feral fulcrum]

It varies wildly between classes and subclasses to be frank.

[knotty pasture]

Level 3-6 I'd say

[feral fulcrum]

Because some include lots of important choices, others are basically a railroad.

[knotty pasture]

Level 3 is when you pick your subclass, level 6 is usually when you might plan to multiclass

[feral fulcrum]

But level 3 is probably the biggest by default because Sublcasses

[limber trail]

level 6-8 is where most multiclasses tend to happen

[frank bane]

Which ones offer the most choice?

[feral fulcrum]

Level 3 is also where you finally dig yourself out of the "Die when looked at funny" hole

[feral fulcrum]

Thing like Totem Barbarian, which includes multiple selections to pick from in the majority of their subclass feats.

I'm a big fan of having many options and paths to build up one's subclass.

IT's why I like Warlock Invocations so much.

[cobalt owl]

If you scrying someone under the effects of nondetection, do you get to know that nondetection was why scrying failed

[hot marlin]

No. You can certainly deduce it, but you don't automatically know

[remote wadi]

Shift is almost over for today

Only thing I could really think in my head and try to reflect on is

Actually, probably not the best thing to say. nvm

[jovial badger]

whats everyones favourite background?

[knotty pasture]

Yeah let's not, don't turn this into therapy lol

Favourite background is probably soldier, just seems like a good all around thing

[remote wadi]

Not quite that deep this time, but yeah

[burnt valley]

Level 3

[remote wadi]

And hard to say for a background. This current campaign doesn't really seem to care too much for backgrounds

[burnt valley]

Wizard and Warlock

[remote wadi]

Which is a shame, because soldier would be fun for talking to other groups

[knotty pasture]

I always see backgrounds as just text blocks for stats, I rp around my backstory not the background (which is an extension of the backstory)

[jovial badger]

EXACTLY! i mostly choose criminal for the alert feat

[remote wadi]

I will say this, though. Wizard in the team is quite pleasant to talk with. He's giving me genuine thought out advice, which is definitely a pleasant experience

[feral fulcrum]

My background has come up many times in my campaign. But that's mostly because I actively chase the fact that I'm in the semi-secret Wizard Order of Scribes, with many hidden libraries and associates scattered across the lands.

[remote wadi]

Which, silver lining about me, small things like thay can lift my spirits up a good bit

[feral fulcrum]

Scribe Wizard Money Gang.

[tawdry sentinel]

That's the way to do it.

If your backstory is presented to the DM at the start of the campaign in some document and you personally, never mention it again. It's probably not coming up.

If you make a point of going to the tavern in every town with a missing poster for your sibling. It's probably going to become relevant.

[remote wadi]

Should probably get back to work now. Would love to talk for a bit more, but not sure what to say other than what has been said

[feral fulcrum]

It is very likely that during my next session, I'll be turning from a Fairy into a Winged Centaur due to Plot. I am excited to see how it all turns out.

[still plover]

Custom. Backgrounds are feature blocks. Backstory is where it's at. Although, twist my arm and I'd say Acolyte or Sage. Magic Initiate is just so useful.

[knotty pasture]

Custom is always nice, Druid backgrounds confuse me cuz nothing feels like its the absolute best

Lots of "just good enough"s

[timber raven]

Outlander :P

[remote wadi]

Finally off work

[jovial badger]

W

[hidden spindle]

Artisan. I boil it down to the Origin feat, then work it in from there. Love me a 20% discount from Crafter

[remote wadi]

Out of curiosity, what would the best background be for a sniper?

I only remember the soldier background, and it's okay. Idk if there's anything better

[hidden spindle]

Outlander

[jovial badger]

mm

[shrewd grotto]

guys, how would yall update kensei to 5.5/2024?

[glass granite]

Give them weapon masteries

[jovial badger]

best feat for an eldritch blast focused warlock?

im a variant human so i get that juicy feat (not war caster pls 😭 )

[shrewd grotto]

uuuh

ngl warcaster is really cool, you can't risk loosing a spellslot because you broke con

[tawdry sentinel]

Spell sniper

[shrewd grotto]

i once did a shenanigan with warcaster and sentinel, really fun stuff

[worn lagoon]

Sage

[shrewd grotto]

nice option as well, if you can see yourself sniping people in your campaign, goes well with the ranged eldritch invocation

[worn lagoon]

i like metamagic adept

[tawdry sentinel]

More for ignoring cover and the melee disadvantage. Not often having more than 120 range is particularly relevant.

[limber trail]

Weapon masteries, remove the silly bonus action 1d4 to ranged weapon attacks (it's so bad, at literally any level the extra unarmed strike probably does more damage than 2d4)

[fathom gate]

I cast command word breakdance

[glossy charm]

aw dang. Seems I gotta breakdance now!

I punch like the drunk monk I am

[fathom gate]

Roll to hit i guess

[pastel pier]

Oh interesting how many punch

[glossy charm]

1

nat 1

[fathom gate]

Okay lets see here…

[glossy charm]

so 6 🙂

[fathom gate]

You…miss boblin the goblin

[glossy charm]

🥺

[fathom gate]

Boblin breaks it down, roll a charisma saving throw

[glossy charm]

19 🕶️

[fathom gate]

You recognise this as the average goblin battle of the dance

[jovial badger]

i cast

guidance on his saving throw

thats a 21 now (you're welcome i just saved you from dying)

[glossy charm]

Tysm

[fathom gate]

Boblin the goblin seems to be challenging you to a good ol’ fashion dance battle

[glossy charm]

WAIT: we never rolled iniative...

[lyric viper]

Folk, let's not get too much into RP joking or not 😉

[glossy charm]

ok

[fathom gate]

Yea sorry

[glossy charm]

sorry

[lyric viper]

No worries!

Just prefer to keep this channel clear for discussion, and save RP for the games we join- we don't actually support RP on the server, because that's more for your own games and spaces. Nothing wrong with having fun, just wanted to slide in here before it got too into it.

Now the real question- do you think Boblin the goblin is the same goblin in all games? Is there a Boblin-verse?

[jovial badger]

in a parallel dimension, boblin is called goblin

[glossy charm]

shrugs and walks away

[misty vault]

We are all Boblin

[jovial badger]

ALRIGHT BOBLIN LETS GO DANCE BATTLE I CAST ELDRITCH BLAST

(as a dance move ofc)

[jolly ridge]

Are there pros and cons on getting digital PHB, Xanathar, etc book copies?

[lyric viper]

Pros:

• easier to search
• Don't take up space in house
• Useful for online games and content sharing with friends
• auto updates with errata

Cons:

• Subscription means that if you loose that sub, you loose access most of the time
• Often doesn't work without internet
• Can't get the cool alt-covers
• Can't scratch that collectors itch
• Can't easily pass along to a friend/family in future

[fathom gate]

Boblin is canon as the goblins best breakdancer trust

[jolly ridge]

Thanks!

[shrewd grotto]

guys, can a monk dash twice a turn? aka once bonus action and again with their action? in 2024
and that'd be 30x2x2, or 30+30+30

[hot gate]

Sure, monk can do it, rogue can do it too. And it's 30+30+30.

(assuming your speed is 30)

[shrewd grotto]

tx

i did not find the 5e thing for monk weapons, did they make it subclass specific? Or not yet added?

[main maple]

Good morning dnd pals

[hidden spindle]

Monk weapons?

[shrewd grotto]

idk the name in english, lemme grab tasha

[limber trail]

(By the time you can bonus action dash as a monk, you can move 40ft instead of 30, but yes)

[burnt valley]

Criminal or Carouser

[shrewd grotto]

oh i cant send screenshots

Dedicated Weapon (Optional)
Also at 2nd level, you train yourself to use a variety of weapons as monk weapons, not just simple melee weapons and shortswords. Whenever you finish a short or long rest, you can touch one weapon, focus your ki on it, and then count that weapon as a monk weapon until you use this feature again.

The chosen weapon must meet these criteria:

The weapon must be a simple or martial weapon.
You must be proficient with it.
It must lack the heavy and special properties.

^ this

[hot gate]

This was partially rolled into the 2024 monk default rules, as they now have a larger selection of monk weapons.

[shrewd grotto]

only light martial weapons tho

[hot gate]

Yep, not as expansive as the Tashas option. You can ask your DM if you could still include that option with 2024 though.

[tame kelp]

I wonder why my new plaer ALWAYS AND ALWAYS like to cast flying

I don't get it.

[humble cairn]

Tasha's is still current, but it was always optional, so ask your DM.

[solar barn]

Where do I go to post a game?

[main maple]

Maybe his dream is to fly

[loud tendon]

Harder for melee attackers to get them probably? Are they a species with flying or are they casting the spell "fly"?

[tame kelp]

Thet just like to cast "fly" that's all

[loud tendon]

Please read the instructions in #find-a-game . It will tell you how our looking-for channels work

[shrewd grotto]

flying is neet

neat?

[hot gate]

Yeah, it's pretty cool. I understand the preference.

[shrewd grotto]

neeat

[loud tendon]

Ah, well, its concentration and only for 10mins at 3rd level.. so i would assume they can only do it a limited amount of times a session.

Not to mention if you hit them in combat while flying, they fall.
Learn some caution real quick when you fall 60ft

But also, yeah.. flying is pretty cool

[tame kelp]

The thing is

Idk how to treat flying rule....

No one in my dnd campaign want to fly

2014 doesn't have flying rule.

damn

[hot gate]

Hm? It does have rules around flying. That is, it mostly just means freedom to move to places you could not otherwise.

[buoyant oar]

Chapter 9 2014 PHB.

Flying creatures enjoy many benefits of mobility, but they must also deal with the danger of falling. If a flying creature is knocked prone, has its speed reduced to 0, or is otherwise deprived of the ability to move, the creature falls, unless it has the ability to hover or it is being held aloft by magic, such as by the fly spell.

[burnt valley]

New player, if you are lurking this channel rn, watch out for the DM making you go prone mid air or whipping out ranged creatures

[buoyant oar]

And if flying turns into a trivializing problem. Move encounters indoors or add ranged foes.

[eager marsh]

Trident is a ranged weapon with topple mastery great for dropping flying targets to the dirt

[severe rampart]

What do you mean?

Ah, sorry, just backread the chat, I understand

[eager marsh]

Still waiting for throwing rages to not be scuffed af tho

[loud tendon]

Why watch out? Players can also do the same to creatures the dm uses fly for.. if you expect to cheese every encounter with fly, a good DM will challenge you and make things fun again.

Playing smart is as fun as being able to cheese sometimes

[burnt valley]

Also for extra safety, take Resilient:Con if enemy tries to use Topple(DM may set the save dc to something ridiculously high but its unlikely), it'll help out with concentration saves as well

[eager marsh]

Monsters don’t always or at all have masteries I think most prone effects are dex or strength saves

[burnt valley]

Dex ones are for ones with a mount? I think?

[hidden spindle]

Let him fly

[tawdry sentinel]

The first time my party encountered a beholder and it was hovering up in the air at the far end of what was basically a shooting gallery, they cast fly to get the fighter up to it.

Fun times for anti magic cone.

[severe rampart]

Did no one have any type of bow?

[tawdry sentinel]

They did, they were not expecting the anti magic cone.

[stiff rock]

it's really annoying that i can't buy waterdeep: dragon heist physically outside of the US

i much prefer physical copies than digital but i don't seem to have much of a choice as it's not available on amazon or the UK wotc store

[tawdry sentinel]

Try cex

[stiff rock]

i did check - it's out of stock

unless i'm buying a used copy for £80 it seems impossible to find

[tame kelp]

I'll explain later

[stiff rock]

managed to get it on the US amazon for pretty cheap overseas shipping

but i still wish there were more 2014 books on the wotc international stores

[granite pagoda]

how do i play a Chaotic Good character?

my characters have mainly been evil or neutral some Lawful good but never Chaotic good so i'm stumped kinda

[stiff rock]

doing whatever is right by any means necessary?

i imagine a vigilante like aiden from watchdogs would be chaotic good. good dude, but questionable methods

[severe rampart]

Think Anti Hero

[stiff rock]

surely an antihero would be closer to evil alignment?

an objectively bad person that people support

[severe rampart]

honestly I think the best example in recent media of Chaotic Good is Spiderpunk from ATSV

[granite pagoda]

would like Katniss Everdeen from the hunger games series be considered a Chaotic Good character?

cause usually when i think Chaotic good i think of rebellion

[severe rampart]

Neutral Good imo

[fair plinth]

Either that or neutral good, based on what i saw in the movies

[feral fulcrum]

There are no flying rules. It's just another form of Movement that allows you to go Up and Down in elevation.

[hollow stone]

i mean it highly depends on what your definition of "good" is and what violates that, like you can't really use a modern concept of "good" because all modern problems can be solved with diplomacy and nonviolence and the people who do not allow you to do so are objectively evil, but in a fantasy setting you don't actually have the modern technology or situation that allows for this circumstance and morality becomes a much larger answer than "if you hurt people on purpose you're probably evil"

[humble cairn]

If you're determined to use Alignment, these are the best guidelines I know of, from years of hammering away at understanding it.
**Lawful **means..
.. you like that rules and laws that govern behavior exist. That's it.
Lawful does not necessarily mean (although you can make a character that behaves like this if you are going to an extreme) ..
.. you follow every law to the letter. This is nonsensical, people's morality does not change simply because they cross a border, nor do they have some omniscient ability to tell when they are breaking a law.
.. that you simply follow a personal code. Everyone has a personal code unless their sense of self is so unbalanced that they don't even know themselves, so this isn't a good metric.
Chaotic means..
.. that you think of your own reasons for doing things before you think of what society or other people think. That's it.
Chaotic does not necessarily mean (although you can make a character that behaves like this if you are going to an extreme) ..
.. that you go out of your way to break laws or flout societal mores. This is childish and simplistic.
.. that you are insane.
**Good **means..
.. that you care for the wellbeing of others and would rather not harm them if at all possible. That's it.
**Evil **means..
.. that you don't care very much for the wellbeing of others, you mainly only care for yourself.

[hot marlin]

It's very simple:
Good: Your character is willing to sacrifice their comfort and health to defend the lives and dignity of other people
Chaotic: Your character is not willing to compromise their belief for traditions and laws.

That's it. It stops there.

Your character will break laws and traditions, and your character will defend the lives and dignity of other people, even at a personal cost.

[severe rampart]

Oh god, we talked about alignment one too many times, the great Incubus is here to educate us

[hot marlin]

It is indeed how I am summoned to this lowly plane of existence

[humble cairn]

Honestly, I think it's better to ignore Alignment and just write a decent custom personality.

[severe rampart]

This is your infernal calling

[granite pagoda]

so my character is a drow in waterdeep, she broke away from Menzoberranzen and fled to the surface, she worshipps Elistraee as a druid of dreams, her background is scribe, she basically wants to "break the mold" of how Drow are perceived on the surface, would that goal be Chaotic Good or would that be something else

[hot marlin]

Goals do not have alignment, people do.

[humble cairn]

It's a fine character goal to have, doesn't really matter what Alignment it is, just leave Alignment blank and run with that personality.

[hot marlin]

Only creatures can have an alignment. Goals are not creatures

[feral fulcrum]

Animated Goal Post would like a word with you

[hot marlin]

I was about to say "unless it's a magically animated goal post". Damn you

[fair plinth]

Alignment really doesnt have a big impact on gameplay unless the dm is doing something specific with it

[granite pagoda]

i understand that but acting withing my goal is what i'm trying to do, so what would my character look like if i was Chaotic good and had that goal in mind? thats what i'm asking, how do i play it and if it doesn't fit that what would?

[stiff rock]

the DoMT has a card that changes alignment which i've always disliked, as it's hard to just flip how you act as your character because of a single card draw

[hollow stone]

yea alignment is a two dimensional three by three system which does not have nearly enough coordinates or dimensions to possibly define even a fraction of a fraction of a percentage of what a person is

[stiff rock]

you can't tell players 'you're not allowed to do that because your alignment doesn't support it' without causing some disagreement

[humble cairn]

I could use that goal and probably make characters of each Alignment. I suggest you just stop worrying about Alignment.

[hot marlin]

It would look like a female drow, probably of average height and weight. A worshipper of Elistraee, so I would expect some religious iconography on her person. A scribe, so I would expect the usual calligraphy material on her person.

[severe rampart]

and if you have to utter the words "It's what my character would do" when trying to murder hobo oh boy will the DM (and the rest of the party) hate that

[minor cargo]

I would say that if CG is your gut reaction, go with that.

I think that attitude could fit something like CN ("anti-establishment"), CE ("make them pay"), or even neutral ("show the truth").

But to the above, yeah, I would just take the path of least resistance and move on! ✌️

[stiff rock]

my players tend to play their characters based on how they personally would act in response to a situation lol. we tend to ignore alignment

[humble cairn]

The free rules are HERE and they describe Chaotic good as thus: Chaotic Good creatures act as their conscience directs with little regard for what others expect. A rebel who waylays a cruel baron’s tax collectors and uses the stolen money to help the poor is probably Chaotic Good. And that's it, which is pretty sparse, but does that describe the kind of character you want to play?

You do not have to put anything in the Alignment spot, just so you know.

[hollow stone]

for example, i have a character who is absolutely convinced she is in the right because she and her people are being influenced by a God who cannot show itself nor speak to them and can be misinterpreted easily because of this, but its influence at the site of her village is so powerful that it actually tampers with their instinctual inclinations

[remote wadi]

Genuine question

Remaining spoiler free, but how bad could it possibly be traveling at night in an average DnD/CoS campaign?

[hollow stone]

she thinks she is Chaotic Good
she is Lawful Evil
this isn't a coherent system at all
lmao

[hot gate]

More dangerous than by day, that's about it.

[hot marlin]

Not meaningfully worse than travelling at day. The problem is poor visibility, but poor visibility also affects your enemies

[remote wadi]

Okay, I'll be perfectly clear with this next part. I am trying to explain this, not complain about it

[granite pagoda]

ok thank you, your input has been valuable

[hot marlin]

So in conclusion: Alignnment doesn't really matter for character creation and interpretation

[halcyon bison]

I don’t like the alignment system it’s silly

[hollow stone]

if alignment wasn't so core to an outsider's perspective of what DND is, i would genuinely advocate for its removal

[humble cairn]

I do genuinely wish it were gone.

[remote wadi]

But I was asking because the Druid kept insisting that traveling/playing at night was very dangerous because of what could happen

Part of me agrees, we don't know what could happen. Other part of me is thinking "what could possibly be out there at night that would be a massive problem to deal with?"

[halcyon bison]

Vampires and werewolves! :>
(I don’t actually know for sure that’s speculation)

[hollow stone]

hint hint: the moon is actually the eye of a much larger creature
(this is a joke made with no context to the original discussion)

[hot marlin]

What could happen that wouldn't happen by day?

[flat steeple]

Sadly there's big love for identifiers so there will still be a vast amount of people enjoying the idea of being called "chaotic this" or "evil that"

[remote wadi]

For context, we were stopped by Izak and a few guards on our way out of the town, and we finished the fight in less than 3 rounds. Only took, I think... 25 damage total tops, and most/all was just friendly fire from an AoE spell

[hot gate]

The module quite literally has a more dangerous encounter table for night than it does for day, so

[halcyon bison]

Maybe there’s some vampires and werewolves in the vampire and werewolf setting, they’re typically not out by day
But I’m sure it’ll be fiiiiiiine

[remote wadi]

That's what I want to know. Like, what would be out there that would be a massive problem? And if there is something, wouldn't it still be a problem during daytime?

[hot marlin]

Nope, nothing. There is literally nothing that could happen only at night and not by day.

[hollow stone]

yea, if it wasn't so fundamental to what people who haven't played DND think DND is i would say to discard it entirely, but because of its iconic aspects to what DND is(n't) i would say it should just be explicitly listed as optional

[hot marlin]

Werewolves are not any more nocturnal than anyone else.

[humble cairn]

You're spiraling. Pretty sure you've been over this before already. Is there a point to this that is going to matter or change our entire collective opinion that you should leave this group?

[hot marlin]

So yeah, travel by night if you wish

[remote wadi]

I've calmed down for the most part and am thinking of compromises to make with the party. Wizard and Paladin are pretty great to hang out with

[minor cargo]

Didn't you just have a session with them? Kind of your "last chance" kind of thing?

How did it go? ✌️

[hot marlin]

I see I am missing some key context here

[humble cairn]

Probably a bad idea to stay with this group. I think I'm going to disengage from this topic entirely and no longer reply to anything regarding it.

[flat steeple]

I do appreciate that it's been less and less prevalent through the editions.

[remote wadi]

So, the current issue is that other party members are insistent that we don't travel at night. But maybe I can let them deal with these next few combats, get a level up, and try to show them that nighttime wouldn't be the huge issue they think it is

[remote wadi]

Oh. Sessions are Saturday afternoon

[hot marlin]

If they don't want to travel at night, who cares?

[remote wadi]

I kind of do care... hard not to as a vampire spawn Gloomstalker

[hollow stone]

yea maybe in a hypothetical 6e or 5.5(2)e we'll have it marked as optional and have a little notation in the Big Book of Words that it isn't a good system for quantifying people

[hot marlin]

The problem is that there indeed slightly higher chances of getting lost, and poorer visibility. Though that could play in your favour

I'm sorry, your characterr is a vampire spawn?

[remote wadi]

Price to pay for resurrection

As for the visibility part, the point holds even less water when you realize all of us have dark vision. Not a foolproof plan, but far from sitting ducks

[halcyon bison]

I dunno not wanting to travel by night seems pretty understandable to me

[feral fulcrum]

Frankly I think you're too worked up about your party not going out of their way maximise your new playstyle.

[hollow stone]

just have someone cast Light on one of your weapons for as long as you wanna be seen tbh, unless you aren't playing with friendly fire then you should be fine as far as Gloomstalking goes

[feral fulcrum]

It's a Team Game, not a You game.

[remote wadi]

I think there's a big difference between trying to maximize something and going "if we travel at night, I won't burn up like a Minecraft skeleton"

[hot gate]

I've had about 50 collective sessions of CoS and never did the pcs travel by night, it's a thing.

[hot marlin]

Darkvision has extremely limited range.

[feral fulcrum]

Wear a cloak.

[ancient frigate]

what is dnd about? i understand it's partially about collaborative storytelling, but what aspects are there outside of that?

[halcyon bison]

This seems like something you should discuss with them, not us
Can’t really help you here

[balmy pendant]

What do you all think of the Exploring Eberron book that lanuched on D&D Beyond?

[feral fulcrum]

It's Make Beleive with Friends, that's pretty much it.

[remote wadi]

60-120 feet isn't that bad at all. Definitely limiting, but not that bad. Also, much harder to sneak up on a party when someone has a 20 on Passive Perception

[feral fulcrum]

You're there to have fun with people you prefferably like.

[halcyon bison]

*make believe with rules and funny math rocks

[ancient frigate]

i'm asking as someone who's familiar with freeform rp

[hot gate]

The most fun you can have with your brain, involving dice

[remote wadi]

Don't have one yet

[hot marlin]

No, that's not enough. For travelling, that's nothing.

[remote wadi]

Also, I'm more concerned with getting the upsides than avoiding the downsides

[ancient frigate]

i don't have a particular understanding of the intent behind the instantiation of "rules"

[hot marlin]

When something is following you, it's tracking you from far more than 120 feet

[ancient frigate]

not that it's not appealing, but it's something i don't really get

[hot marlin]

When you're travelling ideally you want to see far further than 120 feet. If you're limited in range to that, your chances of getting lost or of being attacked drastically increase

But again, it's not really a big difference

[hollow stone]

there's dice rolling (very fun :DDDDDDD) and some basic addition and some aspects of lawyer simulator on top of the storytelling

[remote wadi]

I guess you do have a point. But I am grasping at straws for a compromise

[humble cairn]

You mean you don't understand why people aren't just freeform storytelling without rules to limit their imagination?

[ancient frigate]

basically, yeah o.o

[feral fulcrum]

Rules give you a framework and reference point, and sets expectations

[ancient frigate]

what's the advantage to this?

[humble cairn]

I think that for many people, the idea that there is some sort of a simulation of a world that is not just made up as they go along is more fun. There are also people who like the idea of being able to show mastery of the rules of a game and gain progression and "win" at things.

[feral fulcrum]

Inspiration, having an actual framework to work off of, having everyone on the same page, etc. etc.

[hollow stone]

when you have an infinite sandbox and infinite fingers, it is very hard to decide on what to do with your infinite box of infinite fingers because none of them look like anything, but by painting some of the fingers, you can get something that doesn't look like nothing, and then you can set things up off of that

[humble cairn]

People who like to be challenged and master skills don't like it when they win just because someone else said so. They want to actually achieve things with mastery over something with defined rules.

Otherwise it's just Calvinball, where people make up rules as they go along. Might be fun, but doesn't feel like you're actually achieving anything.

[hot marlin]

Those upsides being?

[feral fulcrum]

Having actual defined rules also helps avoid Schoolyard level "My infinity plus Sword ignores your stupid Infinity Defense, I win forever goodbye."

[remote wadi]

So I guess we're getting somewhere.
On one end, most of the dangers we fight will not be limited to time of day.
On the other end, vision will definitely be a problem for a majority of the party should something try and track us.

But wouldn't that be where I benefit as a Ranger?

[hot marlin]

The only ones I can see is that the downsidee apply to your enemies too

[remote wadi]

Invisibility + Sharpshooter

[hot marlin]

What I am hearing is that you want to nerf the entire team in order to buff yourself.

Sharpshooter also works by day

[remote wadi]

It is quite dependent on advantage, though

[feral fulcrum]

And there are plenty of ways to get advantage

[remote wadi]

Which, I learned the hard way at level 2. Trying to use that without something to help just means you kind of miss. A lot.

[hollow stone]

take the Eldritch Adept feat for Devil's Sight and then cast Darkness exactly where you're standing and you get the same results

[remote wadi]

Wait a second...

Can someone remind me again how the Hide action works?

[ancient frigate]

the mastery aspect makes a lot of sense to me.

i guess it's less a problem of "adding rules" i have and maybe more just like. some kinds of storytelling will never be possible in a group setting. and that's like fine i guess. that's fine.

[hollow stone]

iirc you can anchor it to an object that is being carried so you can anchor it to your bow and move around too

[humble cairn]

Asking "why rules?" is a different question to "why groups?"

[hollow stone]

you cannot be in the line of sight of an enemy

[ancient frigate]

yeah definitely. asking "why groups" would be silly. i just misdiagnosed what was going on at first. i had thought it was a rules thing when it wasn't

[feral fulcrum]

Before you start thinking on this further, bear in mind that the Hide Action is, obviously, not something you can do in front of people.

Because waving your hands and going "You can't see me." Doesn't magically make eyeballs stops working. Which is something too many people seem to forget.

[remote wadi]

Wow. Did not think i coukd set a world record for "Back to the Drawing Board" speed runs

No offense. That just fell apart fast

[hollow stone]

what level are you? are you near an ASI? do you have TCE?

[halcyon bison]

Hide is also redundant with invisibility, you don’t gain any benefit from being hidden and invisible except that while hidden enemies definitely don’t know where you are

[hollow stone]

i am still asking you to cast Darkness on a lantern at your hip and take the Eldritch Adept feat to get Devil Sight so you can see through the Magical Darkness

[remote wadi]

5
And yes

[reef copper]

What about shadowsorcerer?

[feral fulcrum]

The problem with that is they'd have to multiclass to gain access to Darkness.

[hollow stone]

Rangers can't get Darkness?

[remote wadi]

And my MC choice will be Rogue

[feral fulcrum]

It's not in their list

[hollow stone]

oh, damn, i thought they had it

[halcyon bison]

Huh, feels like they should be able to cast that

[hollow stone]

i know, right?

[feral fulcrum]

And I'm gonna be honest, I think you're trying way too hard to base yourself around Umbral Sight

[remote wadi]

Yeah. Under other circumstances, my Wizard or Druid could help. But the Druid especially hates it when I ask for this sort of thing

[hollow stone]

i mean i think an aspect of it is Vampire Spawn which means they would be instantly incinerated upon the sun witnessing them

[woven flint]

Hello, friends 🧐

[feral fulcrum]

Overly relying on it being Dark leads to a problem you will find throughout the entirety of your campaign. The sun exists, torches are a thing, magical lights are common.

[halcyon bison]

Hello Tokii

[remote wadi]

Okay, just for context, my current damage with a heavy crossbow is 1d10 + 4 per attack

The idea is that darkness is advantage, and advantage means Sharpshooter

So it becomes 1d10 + 14 per attack now

[feral fulcrum]

Most things and places have people that like being able to see. Therefore rarely are you going to be able to readily use darkness to your advantage.

[hollow stone]

if your Wizard can cast it, just Circle Cast it with them so you can have it at your hip for like 8 hours, or get the Druid to join in for 24(?)

[halcyon bison]

Light doesn’t pass through the area of darkness, so if you cast darkness in the air could you create a non magical shadow on demand?

[hollow stone]

this is also possible, but it wouldn't follow you

[fathom gate]

Boblin the goblin shall return. With his breakdancing gang

[remote wadi]

Both of those are very unlikely. Druid especially, she likes to rant about me asking for help on that

I don't wanna deal with more of that if I can help it

[woven flint]

Tonight is the night I play my Bugbear Ranger 🧐

[feral fulcrum]

Reach out and poke somebody with 15ft of Reach

[halcyon bison]

Go out and bug some bears :D

[hollow stone]

you can easily shoot her with the "dawg asking for collaboration in a team game is a minimal expectation how could you mad at me?"

[fresh bloom]

What character clichés would you imagine in a party made up entirely of druids from different cycles?

[woven flint]

Wildfire Druid pyromaniac

[reef copper]

Boogieman x2

[hollow stone]

Evil Druid that exclusively propagates invasive species

[woven flint]

His name IS actually Bogey lol

[open condor]

Hi. I heard the tarrasque could only be defeated with a wish spell in older editions of dnd, but i can't find any book that mentions it. Does anyone know where that rule was introduced?

[reef copper]

XD

[woven flint]

It's Bo-gee
Not
Boogie

[remote wadi]

Tried that. It did not end well. Taking a small break from that server for a bit. Should give you a basic idea on the level of frustration it caused me

[feral fulcrum]

I'm gonna be honest, you're probably just too fixated on Maximal Optimization in a group that doesn't much care about such things.

[remote wadi]

Again

This isn't about maximum optimization

This is just me wanting advantage at the ready to rapid fire sharpshooter attacks

[reef copper]

Maybe it is in character?

[feral fulcrum]

Given you're bending yourself out of shape to try and get your +10 damage without too much of a penalty? It does sure seem like it's about optimization

[woven flint]

He's a depressed Bounty Hunter that works for the Zhentarim and has a wife that hates him 🔥

[remote wadi]

Bounty Hunter too? Nice

[woven flint]

"My wife hates me, but, I think I'd rather be home over this shit..."

[reef copper]

Reminds me of the one gorilla meme with his wife

[remote wadi]

+10 extra damage per attack is pretty huge, though

[humble cairn]

Flower Power hippy Land Druid who is all peace and love, but actually terrifying once angered.

[halcyon bison]

Please let him find happiness by the end of the campaign I want my poor boogeyman to be happy :(

[woven flint]

The Cat freak Shepherd Druid

[feral fulcrum]

Not really helping your case.

[remote wadi]

My character's main thing is built around sniping

[woven flint]

He'll probably die lol
It's Descent into Avernus and brother boy only has a +1 to Con due to stat rolls lol

[feral fulcrum]

And you can do that, without sharpshooter, and fixating on being in darkness 24/7 in every combat.

[halcyon bison]

Noooooooooooo 😭

[feral fulcrum]

TO get the maximum amount of shooty gloomstalker goodness.

[hidden spindle]

Did you find a barrel yet?

[woven flint]

Grim life of being a bugbear

[reef copper]

As a sniper i would rather take the lucky feat than arbitrary invisibility

[remote wadi]

You didn't see my boss fight at level 2

Missed both sharpshooter shots because no advantage, then did 5 damage and a 22 to hit the one time I didn't sharpshooter

Advantage is lowkey mandatory to get good Sharpshooter moments

[hidden spindle]

With my luck, I'd take Skulker for a Sniper

[halcyon bison]

I believe in him, he can do it!

[feral fulcrum]

That's level 2 buddy. It's low level, you're not going to be doing 50 damage.

[remote wadi]

Sessions are Saturday afternoons

[reef copper]

Good point

[feral fulcrum]

I can see why your group acts very irritably to you.

[cursive rivet]

Is there a place for maps on this discord to post and to take?

[hidden spindle]

#dnd-maps?

[remote wadi]

It isn't the damage that is the issue. The larger point was the accuracy, especially because it's only gone up one point from 8 to 9 over all these levels

[woven flint]

And then, soon, I'll be playing a Warforged Circle of the Forged Druid fella soon
Naming the lad Sentinel because he's gonna have the Mark of Sentinel and, well, he's a bodyguard lol

[cursive rivet]

thx

[reef copper]

Problem with playing the first levels is that making specific abilities is really not that viable. Youn need like minimum 4 i would say but even thats a stretch. Lvl 1-3 you are basically less capable than a soldier in my eyes.

[hidden spindle]

Autobots! Rollou-

[woven flint]

Nah, he's gonna be more inspired by...
Ramattra from Overwatch personality wise :p

Since I think a Robo revolutionary fits Eberron

[remote wadi]

Anyways, that's my 2 cents on the matter. If anyone has any good advice for how I can get advantage often on attacks as a Gloomstalker (soon to be Assassin as well), let me know

[knotty pasture]

Use PWT and really sneak around

[woven flint]

Afterall, with the destruction of Cyre and House Cannith, it's probably hard for new Warforged to be created if they even are at all anymore

[remote wadi]

That doesn't require supposedly handicapping or otherwise needing synergy from the team

[knotty pasture]

Use high ground to your advantage

[remote wadi]

How would high ground work?

[reef copper]

What is the build so far? And are there any extra rules of note?

[hidden spindle]

Worked for Obi

[remote wadi]

Naturally. But seriously

[knotty pasture]

Oh nvm it'd be a homebrew rule

[remote wadi]

Sniper build. Sharpshooter, Piercer, CBE coming up

[gray garden]

high ground is only in baldur gate

[reef copper]

Oh thought you had the character already. But is it lvl 2 only?

[feral fulcrum]

They're level 5 now

[hidden spindle]

For you. I'd go with Skulker & Alert

[remote wadi]

No, we are lvl 5. I just mentioned level 2 because failing to hit the boss for meaningful damage made me really need to prioritize accuracy, mostly advantage

[reef copper]

Does 2024 dnd have samurai fighter? They get advantage as a bonusaction in legacy

[gray garden]

not to mention that your luck is god awful

[stiff rock]

Samurai is xgte i think, but it is compatible with 2024

[gray garden]

samurai isnt out for 2024 yet

[hidden spindle]

Not reprinted but you can still use

[gray garden]

like isle said its from xgte

maybe itll come out soooooooooooooon

[stiff rock]

i don't know a single DM who doesn't allow legacy expanded rules to be used alongside the 2024 core rules

[reef copper]

Wait rogue has bonusaction aim now right?

[stiff rock]

steady aim, yes

[gray garden]

that was a tasha rule but its a base rule in 2024 yeah

[remote wadi]

Skulker is a little enticing for later. But define "lightly obscured"

[gray garden]

weak

[hidden spindle]

Its a light level below bright and after dark

Well technically... that's Dim Light.

Obscurement below heavily and above none

[feral fulcrum]

Dim Light

[remote wadi]

Don't mention it

Seriously. Don't mention it

[gray garden]

useless

[stiff rock]

"such as dim light, patchy fog, or moderate foliage"

[remote wadi]

Kay...

[gray garden]

minos prime

[devout onyx]

i just installed D&D from Steam each time i try to create account its redirect me to 404 page, anyone know how can i create account?

[feral fulcrum]

Define "Installed D&D"

[remote wadi]

There we go. I can get that at a later level

[gray garden]

how do you install dnd

[stiff rock]

do you mean dungeons and dragons online, the mmo?

[feral fulcrum]

Because that's kind of like saying I downloaded more RAM

[gray garden]

i downloaded dnd chat

[devout onyx]

yes

[stiff rock]

that may not be a question anyone here can help you with, although the link to the game's discord server is .gg/ddo

[gray garden]

you are living in my shadow

[stiff rock]

they can definitely help

[umbral girder]

What? It’s a pen and paper game. How?

Wait there’s an MMO? Neat!

[stiff rock]

there's been an mmo for a 14 years, it's just incredibly niche

[remote wadi]

Anyways, Skulker could definitely help me get said Invisibility without total darkness

[feral fulcrum]

There's been a great many D&D games over the years

[umbral girder]

Is it that Neverwinter game with Strahd in it?

[devout onyx]

tbh i thought this server for the pc game

[feral fulcrum]

No this is the official D&D server, mostly aimed at 5e, as it's what WOTC is selling.

[remote wadi]

Thanks for the help, chat. I appreciate it

[stiff rock]

neverwinter nights is a separate thing, didn't know it had strahd in it

[hot marlin]

What the hell would Strahd be doing in Neverwinter?

[stiff rock]

this is for the TTRPG D&D, not the videogame. it's easy to mix the two up

[umbral girder]

Strahd got a sick animated trailer as DLC or an expansion or whatever it’s called

[devout onyx]

thanx

[tawdry sentinel]

Neverwinter nights has a few of the modules as add ons

[remote wadi]

Well, that was a rather angry remark from that person

But eh. I got bigger fish to fry

[minor cargo]

It's not a busy channel, but there's #dnd-media here. That channel is for talking about other D&D media like TV shows, movies, and video games.

[hidden spindle]

"Hello Darkness my old friend~" 🎵

[devout onyx]

ok thanx sir

[remote wadi]

So, DM does allow swapping feats on level up

[gray garden]

weak

[hidden spindle]

Go straight for the Jugular: ASI +2 DEX

[remote wadi]

So I could also take Skulker with this new one. Although I wish it didn't have to come at the cost of the other good-

Could you not? Please?

...come at the cost of the other good feats. I could swap it out for Poisoner of i really needed to

[umbral girder]

ASI +2 Dex is very good yeah

[gray garden]

weve been over why posion is the worst damage in the game

[remote wadi]

Not really needed tho. Rolled stats, CBE will push it up to 20

[hearty bay]

Yesterday, my party almost went so hard on a prank, my character would've left the group for good

[hollow stone]

it's also weird that there's Poison (the damage) and Poisoned (the condition) and neither are really that good

[gray garden]

its cause so many things are resistant or are just flat out immune to the damage as well as the condition

[hollow stone]

aren't like, all of the Underdark enemies resistant to it? or is that the Abyss?

[stiff rock]

you'll never see my cloudkill coming

[remote wadi]

So, if i wanted to

I could make a loop with the Poisoned and Restrained conditions. Requires setup, but is definitely funny

[feral fulcrum]

IT's a side effect of WOTC runnin on the game design of "Slap a bunch of resitances and immunities on to crank CR."

[severe rampart]

My 2014 Warlock is TRYING okay? (Primordial Snake patron)

[minor cargo]

Don't forget Poison, the rock band from the 1980s.

[gray garden]

theres a player race thats immune to posion for gods sake

[feral fulcrum]

WOTC for the entirety of 2014 D&D was BAD at monster design

[gray garden]

lol

[remote wadi]

Anyways, gotta head to sleep

[severe rampart]

and Poisson, fish that live in france or something

[remote wadi]

Catch ya later, chat. Thanks for the help

[gray garden]

i have a spread sheet of all monsters that resistant/immune to damage types in dnd

[feral fulcrum]

And it's probably like near 80% for immune to poisoned.

[severe rampart]

There's a chance you're either a stardew valley player or an optimizer

[feral fulcrum]

Because they slapped that on Everything

[gray garden]

Force: -2
Radiant: -10
Thunder: -38
Psychic -74
Bludgeoning: -132
Necrotic: -140
Slashing: -156
Percing: -160
Acid: -160
Lightning -238
Cold: -316
Fire -348
Poison -778

this is immunity btw

[remote wadi]

_>

[wanton sorrel]

wow that posion is a lowest negetive number

[hollow stone]

i mean if you keep manacles you could just do that to them because Poisoned is also Ability Rolls but other than that idk if it's helpful

[severe rampart]

negative 778? oh boy!

[gray garden]

there are 430 more monsters that are immune to posion rather then FIRE

[hearty bay]

Does ignoring resistance also count for immunity

[feral fulcrum]

With the Immunity to poison being basically free, you'd expect the majority of D&D settings to include nothing but POISON SWAMPS ala FromSoft

[gray garden]

for stuff like posioner then no

[feral fulcrum]

No, Resistance is Resistance, Immunity is Immunity

[hearty bay]

So you can't even bypass immunity through a cost

[gray garden]

getting around immunity is nearly impossible for a player to do

unless its "non magical"

[feral fulcrum]

Resistance is Half Damage, ignoring Resistance means you full damage to Resistant things, Immunity stil flat out ignores.

[hearty bay]

Then I shall homebrew poison to surpass force

[severe rampart]

Good luck getting it approved, foolish player

[feral fulcrum]

I think even if you give something a Vulnerability via certain spells, Immunity still doesn't care.

[hearty bay]

I will become the dm if it is what it takes

[tawdry sentinel]

There's a warlock that ignores poison immunity in book of ebon tides, also gets a poison hunters mark, it's not particularly strong.

[gray garden]

it would even out

[empty thicket]

yep, sadly

[gray garden]

so if you give something that has immunity to posion vulnerbility it would become resistant

[feral fulcrum]

As far as I'm aware there's no such rule that states that.

[wanton sorrel]

true power becomes true resonposablity

[hollow stone]

i just wish there were more diverse things like Poison That Blinds You

[fossil hollow]

no

[gray garden]

you sure

i could be misremembering

[stiff rock]

immunity means you take no damage. vulnerability means you take double damage. double of 0 is still 0

[fossil hollow]

no matter what order you apply it in, Immunities turn the damage to zero

[feral fulcrum]

That's what spells are for. WOTC couldn't even be bothered to do Diseases outside of like ONE adventure.

[gray garden]

nvm then

[severe rampart]

as long as you have a pretty linear storyline, it's fairly easy to DM a oneshot

[feral fulcrum]

To the point that they just ripped Paladin Immunity to disease out in 2024

[fossil hollow]

quick mathz

[hollow stone]

yea i could cast Blind/Deaf but i want more ways to make people blind

[gray garden]

that just proves my point that getting around elemental immunity is nearly impossible for a player

[ocean comet]

sand

[fossil hollow]

yeap

[hearty bay]

Noxious poisoner feat (or epic boon?)

Requires the poisoner feat

Your poison damage ignores resistance and immunity, and enemies who normally have neither resistance or immunity to poison damage become vulnerable to any poison damage you deal

[wanton sorrel]

time for melee attacks to go all out.

[gray garden]

why did sorcerer get buffed btw?

[fossil hollow]

why wouldnt it?

[feral fulcrum]

Because everything got buffed pretty much

[ocean comet]

A DM that does not let you temporarily blind someone with sand is a bad DM. THis is my only opinion oiin the quality of DMs

[fossil hollow]

it was wizard lite in 2014 too

[gray garden]

wizard spell list sorcerery points

[feral fulcrum]

Except for Paladin, that got slightly nerfed and didn't change much

[gray garden]

profen in con saves at level 1

[hearty bay]

Now poison needs good spells

[gray garden]

cloud kill

[fossil hollow]

only thing that set it apart from wizard was sub classes and metamagic. might as well not have existed

[gray garden]

bro divine soul is RIGHT THERE

[hearty bay]

I will make cloud serial kill

[fossil hollow]

... thats subclass

[feral fulcrum]

It had fewer spell choices then Wizard, but not by much.

[gray garden]

sorcerer is one of the best classes in the game

[remote wadi]

My Attempt at having fun

But I guess i need to make more tough calls if I am to survive without more direct planning with the party

[fossil hollow]

hence lite

[hollow stone]

i think it's called like Ray of Sickness which isn't totally terrible

[gray garden]

and they just gave it innate sorcery for whatever reason

[fossil hollow]

only thing that set it apart from wizard was sub classes and metamagic. might as well not have existed

[hearty bay]

I am aiming for stuff that would make chronurgy wizards blush

[gray garden]

what about there saves

[feral fulcrum]

Then you'll be dissapointed because chronurgy wizards are just wacky unbalanced homebrew pretty much

[fossil hollow]

minimal. you can pick up resilient con

[gray garden]

yeah but that saves you the feat

[fossil hollow]

or start arti

arti-wiz is a decent combo

[gray garden]

half caster full caster muticlass?!

[hearty bay]

If they're homebrew, then why do they get recommended so often

[gray garden]

were so back

[feral fulcrum]

They're Third Party stuff

[fossil hollow]

... sorcerors are multiclassed with paladin and warlock so much

[gray garden]

not as much since you know the rule changes

[fossil hollow]

palasorlock is stil a decent build though?

[gray garden]

not worth having to be level 6 tho

[hollow stone]

i multiclassed Warlock and Fighter to make a theoretical three-quarters caster

[hearty bay]

Imagine they get the short end of the stick when brought into 24, and their features are like

"Level 3: you gain a digital clock. Once it's battery fades, this feature is lost"

[fossil hollow]

huh?

[gray garden]

all classes get there subclass at level 3

[fossil hollow]

...

[stiff rock]

3*

[fossil hollow]

you know what the usual palasorlock level spreads were...?

[severe rampart]

Playing DnD made me realize I use a lot of filler words like "okay" "um" and "yeah", gonna have to change that

[hollow stone]

i primarily use the Fighter level for Push mastery and equipment

[fossil hollow]

paladin 6-7/warlock 2-3/sorceror rest.

the only thing that got hit was warlocks

[stiff rock]

i've realised i start a lot of sentences with "you guys" when i DM

[gray garden]

im going to push you off a cliff

[fossil hollow]

i got spider climb

[hearty bay]

I wish there was a barbarian specialized on unarmed

[fossil hollow]

dhamphir lineage does wonders for my safety

[severe rampart]

Yeah, made me realize I also stutter sometimes

[gray garden]

you still fall 500ft a second

[fossil hollow]

i start climbing

[gray garden]

in 6 seconds i mean

[hearty bay]

I feel like they're the best suited class to punch people in the throat, but only monks get to do it properly

[gray garden]

i dont like the new dhampier compared to the lineage

[fossil hollow]

yeah, loss of ancestral legacy is something im not a fan of

[severe rampart]

Math does not check out

[stiff rock]

which books have dhampir? i was looking to play one

[stiff rock]

creatures in dnd don't have a falling speed, they technically just shift from one elevation to the other in a single round

[fossil hollow]

van ritchen and astarion's book of hunger. the latter is digital only

[gray garden]

thats just how dnd works as stated in xanther guide

[fossil hollow]

otherwise, falling is instantaneous, regardless of distance

[gray garden]

but they do..?

[stiff rock]

i swear they don't

[hollow stone]

i coerced the DM into giving me Breastplate (later purchased some Halfplate+2), a Warhammer, Glaive, and Heavy Crossbow, plus i took Repelling Blast for my EB so i have like 3 different ways to keep people away from me and one way to stand one square from them and still use melee

[fossil hollow]

500 ft per round is an optionl ruling

[severe rampart]

Ah. I was using 9.8m/s squared

[gray garden]

D&D 5e, a creature falls immediately to the ground, but optional rules in Xanathar's Guide to Everything state they descend up to 500 feet instantly, and an additional 500 feet at the end of each of their subsequent turns. Damage is (1d6) bludgeoning per 10 feet, up to a (20d6) maximum

[stiff rock]

oh damn okay, never knew that

[fossil hollow]

do note that xanathar is technically optional

[gray garden]

true

[ocean comet]

Look y'all it's this or terminal velocity calculations

[stiff rock]

that's my bad lol. i thought i'd read/heard somewhere that falling creatures just fall whatever required distance in 6 seconds

[ocean comet]

Where is this from

[gray garden]

nah they just splat

[fossil hollow]

thats the base phb ruling

[gray garden]

Xanther guide to everything

[stiff rock]

oh right lol, i'm half-correct. xanathar's makes more sense though

[reef copper]

Based 👍

[severe rampart]

losing your footing for 1 second then immediately going back down to the base of the mountain 😭

[stiff rock]

i assume you prefer the van richten one?

[ocean comet]

I mean that specific quote.

[gray garden]

myself

[stiff rock]

what's the difference between the two?

[fossil hollow]

yeah, but the new one getting necrotic damage resistance is also pretty neat

[stiff rock]

i'll have to see what's cheaper lol. a dhampir swashbuckler rogue has been on my mind lately

[gray garden]

yeah but dhampiers shouldnt just be dhampiers your suppose to half something half vampire '

not to mention they removed the hungers

[fossil hollow]

new one:

• lost ancestral legacy
• lost no need to breath
• bite rider effect is limited within the next minute
• gained necrotic resistances
• bite can use str on the attack roll

[rough basalt]

the hungers was a flavor table

[sacred wigeon]

Writing this D&D campaign is thoroughly exhausting to get right 😅 I’m only 20% done and I have half of the world built with 2/3 of the story still a mystery

[gray garden]

a lot of 2024 just threw flavor out the window for combat

[hearty bay]

Astarion's book of hungers

Looks inside

No hungers

[fossil hollow]

that was reccomendations. also, astarions is literally a vampire oriented book, so, makes sense they focused on the vampire flavor

[gray garden]

nad it makes me angry

[rough basalt]

You'll find a lot of that in dnd books tbh

[stiff rock]

you may burn yourself out if you do it all in one go. i'm halfway through my campaign and still don't fully know how it'll end

take breaks and decide the next steps of your plot after you've been through the world a bit

[fossil hollow]

Astarion is the name and face of the book anyway.

[gray garden]

yeah but its a lot more noticeable in the new nooks

[rough basalt]

Eh its prevalent in older stuff too

[gray garden]

he was more of a spawn rather then a dhampier tbh

[fossil hollow]

the two are often used interchangably

[small heath]

Its basically a biography when you actually read it xd

[rough basalt]

Ghosts of Saltmarsh.
Is about sailing around doing stuff in saltmarsh

[gray garden]

they shouldnt as spawn still burn in daylight

[sacred wigeon]

I’m taking a break for a bit to prevent burnout. I’m mapping out the next steps but I just got to where they reach a rising action moment and understand the worlds circumstances more. I have…16 chapters to go?

[fossil hollow]

like, jander sunstar has dhamphir/spawn kids

[rough basalt]

Tomb of Annihilation.
It's a jungle hexcrawl for 90% of the module

[gray garden]

dhampier dont have supersunlight sensitive or whatever its called

[fossil hollow]

ofc, kid in question resents jander and wants to kill him

[stiff rock]

sounds daunting - ensure you're leaving enough wiggle room for players to be making their own decisions during your campaign though. it's a collaborative story, not a novel

[gray garden]

plus the way dhampier and spawn are also different

[stiff rock]

besides a very loose wider plot, i only plan a session at a time

[gray garden]

also spawn can become true vampires while dhampiers cannot

[stiff rock]

am i the only person who doesn't like how baldur's gate-themed the 2024 books have been so far?

[wraith slate]

Corporations gonna milk.

[rough basalt]

The baldurs gate heros became prominent heroes in faerun so it makes sense they'd show up in FR books tbh

[sacred wigeon]

Im doing my best to leave openings for story alteration and various possible endings so that I can work with the possible endings they choose or whatever they decide to do along the way. I think I have enough for 2 sessions so Im stopping here until I can playtest and take notes from what went well, what’s missing, and what didn’t get explored or didn’t go well.

[fossil hollow]

i do wish there was more on waterdeep, but i think they did a good joke showing the dale lands, icewind dale, and calimshan well. im tempted to run icewind dale because of the new book

[gray garden]

baldur's gate is yet another reason why dnd became so popular again

[sacred wigeon]

I…never finished baldurs gate

[rough basalt]

Waterdeep greed

[worn lagoon]

I'd never have touched DnD if not for bg3

[gray garden]

see

[sacred wigeon]

I want to finish it

[stiff rock]

fair enough, but i do get a little burnt out seeing all of the bg3 characters when there's so much more other interesting lore that could be touched on

[fossil hollow]

that said, im running Descent into Avernus literally today, so i need that expanded BG section

[worn lagoon]

yeah it's a little overmilked, they should really get to making an equally likeable dnd game

[gray garden]

i love descent into avernus such a good book

[stiff rock]

i'm the same, but now that i've played more d&d than i have bg3, i'm just a bit sick of seeing Karlach or Astarion everywhere

[fossil hollow]

thats a take. its one of the worst written books ive seen

[rough basalt]

that aint gonna happen probably

[sacred wigeon]

Oh that reminds me, only the story is homebrewed. I’m following RAW stuff and PHB because I don’t want to make it too complicated for people to follow stats and resources.

[gray garden]

true its just of my favorite books

[remote wadi]

Never played past the tutorial, maybe we can play sometime

Great pfp BTW. Loved that movie

[worn lagoon]

I know, which sucks. BG3 will probably forever be the only good Dnd-to-video game adaptation

[fossil hollow]

only saving grace for DiA for me is the existence of Arkhan the Cruel

[sacred wigeon]

Thank ya thank ya

[rough basalt]

BG3 was lightning in a bottle

[stiff rock]

the only premade campaign i've seen not be called the worst is curse of strahd lol

[rough basalt]

All Warlock (next dnd IP game) can do is not do the same thing its dev studio did with Dark Alliance 2021 (they fired majority of the people behind that game so theres that)

[fossil hollow]

youre telling me i can still use dragons in hell? sure, sign me the [Redacted] up!

[fossil hollow]

what CoS is is complicated, but iconic

[gray garden]

the first book ive ever played Lost Mine of Phandelver

[stiff rock]

mostly due to the team behind it - larian is an incredibly good development studio. BG3 would NOT have succeeded as much if it was made by microsoft or ubi

[sacred wigeon]

I’m trying really hard to just have an ending area that the party can enjoy rather than an ending point so the story adapts to what they’re about and how they tie in. I also picked an item that each player of each class would find and become important to their backstory near the end

[fossil hollow]

oh, Phandelver is peak

[gray garden]

i loved every second ng;

[sacred wigeon]

Phandelver was my first too

[rough basalt]

Phandelver is easy to run and easy to enjoy, love it

[stiff rock]

that's pretty cool tbf, i need to get into more specialised magic items

[sacred wigeon]

My wife even enjoyed it

[stiff rock]

only official campaign i've ran is HOTDQ, never played in one

[rough basalt]

You poor soul

[stiff rock]

i had a LOT of fun with hoard

[sacred wigeon]

I basically just found an item that either required a specific class’ attunement or something of a significant value to a race so that way the history leading up to them tied in and allows them to choose how or why it’s important now

[rough basalt]

You deserve so much better

[hot marlin]

It's kind of a meme at this point. Tyranny of Dragons really isn't a bad campaign

[gray garden]

ive never seen anybody run it

[rough basalt]

It's like 4/10 id say

[hot marlin]

Certainly a lot better than many others from 5e. (Looking at you SKT)

[stiff rock]

chapter 4 SUCKS. it's a good plot but some of the execution is awful - i changed a lot of it from chapter 4 up to skyreach

[gray garden]

is eye of ruin any good?

[fossil hollow]

you will not slander my best boy like that

[rough basalt]

not the worst but its chapter 4 can really ruin a run of it

[hot marlin]

If Tyranny of Dragons is 4/10, then I don't know what that makes of Storm King's Thunder

[sacred wigeon]

I am also making sure I play it as myself so I can feel what I’d want to happen as a PC instead of a DM so I know “Oh I wanna explain my reasoning or talk about my backstory here” so I can catch those opportunities and give the players the steering wheel

[fossil hollow]

its... a module

[rough basalt]

negatives

[stiff rock]

the travel rules in chapter 4 of hoard are literally just "roll a d20 for EVERY day of this 40 day travel. on an 18, something awesome happens"

[hot marlin]

It's a waste of ink and you know it.

[rough basalt]

SKT is -9/10

[gray garden]

yeah it plays from 10 all the way up to level 20

[fossil hollow]

one of my best campaigns used SKT

[gray garden]

vecna: eye of ruin

[rough basalt]

the giant strongholds keep it from being a -10/10

[hot marlin]

As a gaming product, it's mediocre at best. As a work of "art" it is souless, cynical and borderline evil.

[fossil hollow]

i will not be hearing slander, especially not from a fiend who wants to bring down the ordning and drag all of giantkind away form annam's creation

[rough basalt]

I live and breathe hatred of SKT

[hot marlin]

We both know it wasn't SKT, you were just stealing ideas from it.

[rough basalt]

SKT is best as something to be stripped from its barely skinned bones

[fossil hollow]

... ok, its pretty good if you steal the general dungeons and thats it

[hot marlin]

If you had actually ran it as is, you would be in a sanitorium from the 30s.

[rough basalt]

Yeah as written it is uncontested worst module

[stiff rock]

i suppose it's difficult in any capacity to create a premade campaign that works for any and all party compositions whilst keeping the plot completely detached from them

[rough basalt]

its just "here's dungeons, go buy SCAG and go crazy!"

and you go buy SCAG and youre like "alright, what the hell am i supposed to do with this"

[gray garden]

whats the best module in your opinion

[fossil hollow]

sell it at scalping prices

[stiff rock]

module or campaign?

[hot marlin]

I mean you would have been so traumatized by how bad it is, you would have time travelled back to the thirties to get a cell in one of those horrible old-time sanatorium where people usually sent their family members to be lobotomized

[fossil hollow]

waterdeep dragon heist or dungeon of the mad mage

[rough basalt]

Best one? Phandelver

Quests from the Infinite Staircase gets a close tie

[fossil hollow]

i may or may not be biased to waterdeep now

[stiff rock]

dragon heist is my pick too, i'm a little ways into it with my current group but it's already more fun than hoard of the dragon queen

[hot marlin]

Curse of Strahd, Waterdeep, Phandelver

But mostly, the anthologies are superior

[gray garden]

i love infinite staircase as well

[rough basalt]

Most modules have issues or need to change, what makes a good module imo is that changing or fixing it is worth the work

[hot marlin]

If only because even an average adventure anthology is naturally superior to a good longform campaign

[stiff rock]

also i really dislike that waterdeep's gold currency is called dragons. every time i mention "100 dragons" to my party, they assume the city is/was under attack

[rough basalt]

Which makes ToD conflicting

[fossil hollow]

for anthologies, its:

• radiant citadel
• saltmarsh
• Drgon delves
• candlekeep

[rough basalt]

A good idea for ToD is to not tell the players its ToD

[hot marlin]

One has been forgotten and screams in horror

[fossil hollow]

i feel like im missing one

[small heath]

ToD?

[hot marlin]

Yawning Portal.

[rough basalt]

cause theyll expect dragons and will have to wait a long long time

[stiff rock]

is tales from the yawning portal any good?

[rough basalt]

Yawning Portal is good

There's no bad anthologies, just the occasional mid adventure in one

[stiff rock]

tyranny of dragons - it's Hoard of the Dragon Queen and Rise of Tiamat combined into one

[fossil hollow]

oh. ive played, like, one dungeon from it. but zariel was the one running it for some reason, so i feel like i cant speak on yawning portal from the changes made

[hot marlin]

As with any anthology, it varies. But all adventures inside are above 5/10

[small heath]

ok

[fossil hollow]

sees name: check out

[rough basalt]

Like if you want a Dragon module, always go Dragon Delves

[gray garden]

yeah yeah

[fossil hollow]

wait, why hasnt planescape been mentioned

wait, why did i mention planescape

[gray garden]

idk

[rough basalt]

Only ToD if you wanna throw the whole first half of the adventure in the Forge to be rebuilt, and tinkered

[stiff rock]

planescape uses a different cosmology to forgotten realms right? i've never understood the outlands and all that

[fossil hollow]

i swear im gonna play it within the year incubus, please dont drag me down to the abyss

[fossil hollow]

its the epicenter of the multiverse, everything in the great wheel cosmology surrounds it

[gray garden]

i lowkey kinda hate planescape not the adventure itself but because i swaer if ONE more player ask me for a anti matter rifle or a laser rifle im going to skin someone alive

[fossil hollow]

those arent from planescape

thats in the futurustic firearm section in the dmg

[stiff rock]

oh right. where does the material plane sit in terms of the outlands? by the 2024 DMG, the material plane is in the centre, which is what confused me upon reading planescape lol

[gray garden]

wherever its from

[fossil hollow]

well, yesnt. Sigil itself sits in the astral plane last i remember

[fossil hollow]

dungeon master's guide

[stiff rock]

i love how confusing everything is

[gray garden]

thats dnd for you

[fossil hollow]

when youo deal with multiple planes of existences, and a myriad of settings, it adds up yeah

[rough basalt]

My major issue with Planescape is something truly unforgivable. /j
My health won't let me run more than one 5e game and I really wanna run a Planescape game so how dare it be so damn good

[stiff rock]

i had to read the 3e planescape book on a pdf just to get a general grasp of the planes

[gray garden]

another thing that gets on my nerves as a dm is people who try to apply physics to magic

[stiff rock]

in what way?

[naive cedar]

Wym

[gray garden]

like no you cant spawn mage in inside that guys LUNGS

[rough basalt]

Ye I'm glad the new DMG calls out people like that

[fossil hollow]

my take: dnd physics is magic. Magi, Exploring the Labyrinthe style

[naive cedar]

Oh ljke people going “can I create water in his lungs????”

[stiff rock]

i mean, the way i'd rule it is someone's lungs isn't a place you can see

[gray garden]

there are mutiple spells that go outside the bounds of physics but ok

[fossil hollow]

no, as in magic is just their rules of physics

keywords their rules

[gray garden]

exactly that

[fossil hollow]

not ours

[naive cedar]

Yeah that would irritate me too

people think they’re being clever but it’s really just laziness and a cop out

[rough basalt]

If someone tries that at my table, they hear a sarcastic chuckle then are reduced to atoms by the sheer power of the sun.

[fossil hollow]

and/or trying to meme

[naive cedar]

the full concentrated power of the sun

[gray garden]

there was a player that was saying im gonna use create water to make a 10 gallon ice cube above his head to crush him

[fossil hollow]

in the palm of my hand?

[umbral girder]

Material plane is on the center.
Think of the Planescape as a spinning wheel and Sigil is the axle under the center spinning it.

[naive cedar]

Okay that’s kinda funny ngl

[gray garden]

then there was another player who said im gonna cast sun beam through a magnifying glass to increase its damage

[umbral girder]

Kinda why Sigil and the Outlands are shaped like that

[stiff rock]

i seriously don't think i have the brain capacity to fully understand the planes lol

[fossil hollow]

i wonder why its not the city of wheels

[stiff rock]

i'd allow that, that's sick as hell

[fossil hollow]

dont worry, neither does anyone in world.

[naive cedar]

I mean at least they’re trying to be creative? they should probably be applying it to other things though

[stiff rock]

wotc writers room is just infinite monkeys on infinite typewriters

[gray garden]

yeah but when saying im gonna be doing stuff like 20d10 i gotta say no

[fossil hollow]

it would not surprise me if that was the current case

[naive cedar]

I understand the planes but my brain is weird

[gray garden]

i understand the plans cause i came from 3.5 it

i refused to to even touch 4e cause nasty

[naive cedar]

Planescape is ljke the middle part of a spinning wheel or something

[fossil hollow]

need a little bit of neuro-spiciness to understand the secrets of hte multiverse

[stiff rock]

i came from 5.5e last year so unfortunately i know nothing about the deep lore that was 3rd edition and previous

[naive cedar]

Admittedly my only real exposure to Planescape is planescape torment

[fossil hollow]

i should play it...

[rough basalt]

My exposure is from my Tuesday game currently

[gray garden]

dude i kinda miss 3e because force dragons were the coolest thing ever

[naive cedar]

3e was good

[rough basalt]

Tho it's mostly just Sigil

[fossil hollow]

i wanna run planescape but someone here will kill me if i dont play torment first

[naive cedar]

4e was uhhhh. Yikes

[gray garden]

they were also the strongest thing in the game by that point

[jovial shadow]

It's not hard. It's just a model representation, it's not meant to show how they actually look.

[stiff rock]

even still, there's just what feels like a lot of conflicting lore depending on where you're looking - and no book contains the absolute full picture

[gray garden]

the great wyrm force dragons were cr 59 fun fact

[main maple]

Good morning dnd pals

[rough basalt]

That's just part of being a long time product that keeps on going

[naive cedar]

Although I think 4e streamlined some stuff well, overall 4e was just bad

[jovial shadow]

It was easy for me to grasp when I first started playing AD&D, because I was an avid Dr. Strange and Thor comic reader. And both characters frequented various planes of existence

[rough basalt]

4e was good as a system, it was just handled badly by the company.

[gray garden]

it was a whole another game which is why it was disliked so much

[halcyon bison]

Why was 4e so infamous? I started playing in 5e

[gray garden]

5e is just 3e but a lot of the stupidly complex stuff removed

[naive cedar]

Yeah that’s not even getting into the writing choices

[gray garden]

like the cr cap being 30 instead of 60

[rough basalt]

They based it off of MMOs which were big at the time which made the gameplay different from 3.x

[stiff rock]

i can't remember what edition it was, but i swear there were like 40th level spellcasters at one point

[gray garden]

dnd mmo was BOUND to fail ngl

[naive cedar]

lol I know it’s one of those old Reddit jokes which is why I avoided it but yeah. DND is not an mmo

[rough basalt]

But it had a lot of corporate related issues which were the actual big problems.

[fossil hollow]

neverwinter did fine

at least i think its neverwinter

[naive cedar]

Neverwinter is alright

[gray garden]

im not gonna lie i also miss the bigger size charts

[rough basalt]

What I mean is that there were Roles in dnd.

[jovial shadow]

AD&D had no limits (for humans) on what level they could be for any class. Basic D&D had upper limits of 36th level

[gray garden]

like Colossal and Colossal +

[rough basalt]

Defenders, Leaders, Controllers, and Strikers.

[naive cedar]

Oh yeah remember when nonhumans had level caps for no reason lol

[rough basalt]

Classes fit under those umbrellas with their own role powers and class powers

[fossil hollow]

i like monster roles

[gray garden]

3e level cap was level 30 im pretty sure

[rough basalt]

The most popular 3rd party monster source book is just a ripped from 4es monster manyals

[jovial shadow]

No there were reasons for the level limits, because the non-humans had innate abilities, which gave them an advantage from the begining.

[gray garden]

and then there was the stupid crazy epic boons

[rough basalt]

A lot of 4e has led to a lot of popular tabletop products

[gray garden]

true

[naive cedar]

Dnd still kind of has roles but it’s more like expert or priest

[rough basalt]

4e itself was just handled badly and before it's time.

[naive cedar]

Yeah didnt pathfinder originate from people being upset about 4e

[gray garden]

i agree with that

[rough basalt]

Like what a lot of people you see here and on reddit want is 4e hilariously enough

[gray garden]

path finder is just 3e but a few things are added in

[feral fulcrum]

The most liked parts of 5e came from 4E

[gray garden]

true

[rough basalt]

2024 also added more 4e

Masteries were base level martial powers in 4e

[feral fulcrum]

First edition, certainly, Second edition is a different thing entirely

[rough basalt]

2nd edition is more modeled after its predecessor and 4e

[gray garden]

second edition is.. interesting

[jovial shadow]

But those were already available as options in 1e or Basic editions

[rough basalt]

I haven't played TSR era dnd.

[gray garden]

ive played so many ttrpgs

[rough basalt]

But yeah I think a good comparison is 4e is like a Van Gough of ttrpgs.

[gray garden]

cyberpunk red pathfinder 1e and 2e dnd 3e 3.5e 4e 4.5e and 5e and 5.5e

[rough basalt]

Not liked while alive (4e was liked but not to the degree of other editions) but after it was gone and as time went on

[gray garden]

cyberpunk red was really fun ngl

[feral fulcrum]

I mean, you can still go bigger then Gargantuan, litteraly nothing is stoping you, it's just basically where they thought was enough

[rough basalt]

Cause 4e was inspiration for a lot of current successful other ttrpg works

[gray garden]

we need to go BIGGER

[fossil hollow]

Gargantuan is a category
Its just the catch all for anything bigger than 20x20 ft^2

[gray garden]

like the aspect of a god should not be the same as a oversized god zilla ripoff

[rough basalt]

MCDMs stuff
Daggerheart took some combat rules from 4e
Pf2e
Lancer

[fossil hollow]

again, categories

[gray garden]

i know i just think they should bring back Colossal

[fossil hollow]

Tiamat can still be the size of a city and be Gargantuan while a Tarrasque can still be building sized and be in the same category

[gray garden]

or just Gargantuan+

[rough basalt]

Then of course 2024 adapting more 4e into 5e

[reef tundra]

But if they add a size above gargantuan, what is stopping them from making another above that? Then another and another

[fossil hollow]

that said, Greatwyrms being bigger than cities will always amaze me

[reef tundra]

Also what will the hit dice look like?!

[gray garden]

Colossal+

[main maple]

How’s everyone doing

[gray garden]

have you played in 3e

or again Gargantuan+

[feral fulcrum]

Gargantuan covers litteraly everything 4x4 squares and up. It doesn't restrict you, slapping a new word on for 5x5, or 6x6 doesn't really add anything

[reef tundra]

But there’s no point

[rough basalt]

I usually keep the standard Gargantuan size on maps but for non-combat I'll use more accurate sizes.

[reef tundra]

Exactly.

[gray garden]

i need to express just big the many handed one is

[reef tundra]

And once again, hitdice, if they did add a colossal size, would its hit dice be a d100?

[feral fulcrum]

Then use your words in describing it :V

[fossil hollow]

the Theros version was Gargantuan and depicted as the size of mountains

[hearty bay]

What's it's size

[gray garden]

size of mountiants as never ending said

[reef tundra]

And since we’ve opened the blood gates, if they make another size above that, what will that ones hit dice be?

[gray garden]

still a d20

[rough basalt]

The Fire Giant Scion being bigger than mountains

[fossil hollow]

das the Theros one though, not the crazy Hekatoncheires from yore

[gray garden]

just bigger

[reef tundra]

Then make them gargantuan. Ez

Gargantuan is an excellent category to just encapsulate everything bigger

[gray garden]

again this me just nit picking but i dont think a big lizard and something thats described to be the size of montains should be on the same playing field

[reef tundra]

If there’s no difference gameplay wise, there’s no point

[fossil hollow]

Make them gargantuan, plop down an entire token or miniature that takes up the entire map, youre done

[gray garden]

or what if i beocme a tiny bug and use reduce on myself

[fossil hollow]

adding a plus here seems... to add just a plus

[gray garden]

then what

[fossil hollow]

then its under Reduce

[feral fulcrum]

If you feel a neurotic need to call it Super Ultra Mega Turbo SPecial Gargantuan, then go ahead, but it adds litteraly nothing, and isn't neccesary.

[gray garden]

whats after tiny

[fossil hollow]

Tiny

[reef tundra]

If the only difference you’re looking for is just names then… just describe it that way

[gray garden]

im gonna crush you

[fossil hollow]

the creature still shrinks, to be fair

[hearty bay]

You could say they're a creature so titanic the very vision of them gets dimmed by the atmosphere, like a boat near the horizon. You could describe that their height is so immense that it seemed like whoever made such creature into being sought that it could touch the heavens merely by lifting it's arm

[fossil hollow]

its size category doesnt change. But it does shrink still

[gray garden]

writring this down

[hearty bay]

At this size, you just have to think on what goes hard and double down on it

[fossil hollow]

Just look at Yormungrandr from God of War and start describing it

[feral fulcrum]

Jörmungandr you mean?

[fossil hollow]

and then put Tiamat's mini to symbolize the head

[gray garden]

i still think its funny that a level 17 rune knight can still suplex that thing

[hearty bay]

When it walks, the very earth feels like earthquakes were merely children, in face of the calamity that it's steps ensued

[fossil hollow]

ive seen both spellings used

[gray garden]

SUPLEX

[fossil hollow]

tbf, thats their level 18 feature

[gray garden]

true but still funny

in the face of a giant threat i choose to grapple

[fossil hollow]

nothing is technically stopping the Rune Knight from matching the size either

[woven flint]

Hey, Ti!
You get to deal with a depressed Bugbear today

[fossil hollow]

go full Kamen Rider on it, and if i hear someone saying Kamen Rider is goofy you should ki-

[gray garden]

exactly but to grapple you only need to be within one size of it

[fossil hollow]

have you seen those videos of people able to move people around by twisting their ear or arm? Same thing

[gray garden]

so a huge creature can grapple a gargantuan

[fossil hollow]

... dragging tiamat by the horns like an angry mom is funny

[gray garden]

i wish he had more cr 30 threats

[feral fulcrum]

Rune Knight's maximum RAW size is 6 by 6 squares

[gray garden]

i wanna see what dnd can come up with

[fossil hollow]

we have like, 3 in official DnD right?