dnd-discussion

[rapid cradle]

it would be neat to just make a npc that the party liked disapear as payment for the revival or something like that

[blissful ibex]

I shouldn't be able to punch a mountain into dust with a single hit at level 1 just because I rolled a 20 on an athletics check
just incentivises doing dumb stuff to fish for 20s

[marble lion]

Oh there you go

[glossy otter]

tbh it gives me hope we'll see more from DM's guild on dnd beyond

[rapid cradle]

such as life for a life

[marble lion]

Now youre cooking up something

[rapid cradle]

i do want to do my own game eventually but id need to set it up

[buoyant oar]

If WotC and Greenwood's relationship was better I would love to see Thay Land of the Red Wizards on Beyond.

Or the upcoming Realms Bound Series.

[glossy otter]

wait, they were strained?

[worn lagoon]

what the hell

[shrewd grotto]

don't get me started on the warlock's constant commentary

[glossy otter]

I thought everything between WotC and Greenwood was peachy with the constant lore updates from him and the fact he revealed that Ravenoft 2.0 was coming

[shrewd grotto]

I know you have spell slots you bastard, if you say it again one more time I will make you swallow your so precious book of shadows

[buoyant oar]

Ed and WotC have a tenuious relationship. There is a reason people like Keith Baker, are consultants on the Eberron book. But Ed wasn't despite being just as active.

[glossy otter]

Now it adds up

[rapid cradle]

you awaken in pure darkness. a man with a cane stands a few feet from you a grin to inhuman to be real stretches across his face. he speaks " I am what all life fears death, war, famine, and i wish to make a deal"

[buoyant oar]

There is also the story where the Honor Among Thieves producers were allegedly told he was dead.

[crimson gulch]

haha, thats funny, they could have just looked and been like, he just posted a video to youtube though?

[candid falcon]

Ed was a blast to interview. We didn't delve too deep into Wotc stuff, but man.. has he got some stories to tell otherwise!

[glossy otter]

Greenwood be like: "I got better?"

[remote wadi]

I gotta get to sleep

These people are going to make me way too angry to sleep otherwise

[buoyant oar]

Ed's relationship does sound like it is getting better in the last year. But it is the upswing after a near decade of purposefully being apart.

[small heath]

Question: how would you imagine a magic caster tournament go? Like gladiator style, tournament bracket, single elimination, one representative of every magic caster class are 1v1-ing, all around the same level and skill. Which class do you think would come out on top?

[uncut zenith]

He may just be a little more hopeful now that WOTC’s D&D division is under new management

Baker, on the other hand, seems to have announced he’s ready to move on from Eberron

[crimson gulch]

yeah he was working on a big daggerheart project

[buoyant oar]

The fact he was acknowledged at all in the new books was a bit of a shock to many Greenwood fans and realms sages. In a good way. Same with WotC finally acknowledging the FR Wiki.

[glossy otter]

ngl I'm kinda suprised of all of the references to irl things in that book

[crimson gulch]

the new Forgotten realms books have been great at the table, im running a Moonshae Islands Campoaign, a Calisham campaign and have ran the lost library 3 times now across many games, its great

[empty thicket]

Would put them 1 vs 1, X number spells to cast so classes like wizard dont overtake for their variety and all are balanced.
Give them to each competitor X amount of Temporal HP so they dont kill each other, cast spells that protect from death so is all safe and then let them fight
I would say Warlock or Sorcerer would overtake the tournament. Or some skilled wizard.
Bard isnt bad but dont have that much offensive power, arti same.
Druid would be okey but again, not so offensive.
Cleric would maybe get into semi finals but will fall eventually.

[glossy otter]

I'm using to try and craft a kill bill styled adventure with Sammaster as the bbeg

[empty thicket]

and would make them just use spells of lv 5 or 6 until the finals where there is no limit of spells

[buoyant oar]

An undead dragon convincing the PDKs to ally with dragons and to leave Cormyr. While the Undead dragon sticks around the commander inside his sword just to be like an advisor and stuff. Is the most Cult of the Dragon thing they could ever do.

I am convinced Sammaster duped the PDKs instead of Eldenser

[small heath]

Let's say lvl 10. All the casters are lvl 10, and they are using their "optimal" subclass and min-maxxed their stuff.

This includes their species. So you probably have a draconic sorcerer be a dragonborn, a wizard or druid being some elf, etc.

[glossy otter]

With the way Sammaster appears in the FR book i'm now convinced he could be a rasputin level villain with that as a plot

[empty thicket]

yeah yeah, the thing is dont letting enter any hybrid class.

Would have some problems with Warlocks because in theory their powers came from evil ass creatures. Idk if there would be any rule for that in that tournament or they wont care.

The thing is, sorcerer can adapt lots of spells and warlock get too much firepower in his spells.
So if the warlock dont manage to take down the enemy caster fast would ran out of spells

Sorc would make a lot of strats, like using hastened spell before casting a strong spell and forcing the Absorb Element of another caster to take that cantrip and use an spell that is other element and land it properly.

is a trick part because the other caster either take the bait cantrip or take the strong spell, in either way will receive damage

[woven flint]

Well, if I can be honest
I don't feel like there are optimal or suboptimal species unless the features completely clash

Like Minotaur (being melee/strength based) and a Wizard

[empty thicket]

Wizard will literally have a tool for every kind of caster and make a strat to fight every enemy caster. The hardest being Sorc for what i said, he can adapt a lot

[remote wadi]

Well, got woken back up anyways

[sacred wigeon]

I finished the first two chapters of my homebrew campaign 🫠

[remote wadi]

And DM does not seem to care that much about my concerns

[woven flint]

Epic

Throw Strahd at them

[sacred wigeon]

Try a world-ending dragon that is trying to establish rule over the world by fear

[lyric viper]

It'd be hilarious to see this actually done. Somehow Gate-ing Strahd right over a PC. Everyone involved is confused and angry.

[woven flint]

So... every dragon BBEG ever? /teasing

Call in Bahamut

[glossy otter]

"Did someone tell him Tatiana was here?"

I might run CoS for a college group depending on what we all agree to

[woven flint]

The Dark Powers getting pissy because I took Strahd out of his Dread Domain to have fun for a few days

[rapid barn]

I'm working on a campaign. (New dm) I'm really excited but I'm also so scared

[woven flint]

Speaking of
I'm kicking Strahds ass tonight in EOR 🧐

[glossy otter]

oh? what's it about?

[sacred wigeon]

This one witnessed the purge of his kin and hates all creatures for it. He sees the only way to make the world his way is to kill off or strike fear into anyone who resists. The twist is the population eventually accepts it’s a possibly good thing because there is order, less crime, less pain and death, but less free will. They will follow strict rules or die but they enjoy the different life so they will hold disdain for the party attempting to undo that and the successes of the party lead to pain and suffering of the people they think they’re saving

[remote wadi]

Well, I'm not sleeping tonight

[umbral girder]

K

[remote wadi]

Druid has pushed me over the edge with annoying me

[silk hare]

First the paladin and now the druid?

[woven flint]

Totally not holding back the urge to say "Womp-Womp you're evil! Wonp-Womp!"

[silk hare]

Let me guess, they didnt use their wild shapes

[remote wadi]

Imagine telling the character who is the sole reason you didn't wipe yourself out session 1

That you're the one playing carelessly and not thinking right

[sacred wigeon]

I’m gonna point at the party and go “womp womp, you’re the problem, womp womp”

[crimson gulch]

i dont have to imagine it, we have gotten a play by play of this train wrek for months

[remote wadi]

Silver lining
Sink or swim, it ends soon

[woven flint]

Just leave the game, that's advice everyone has been giving you for a solid while now but you don't and you just come back to complain when we've already told you

[silk hare]

Frfr

[crimson gulch]

oh, your leaving the campaign finnaly?

[rapid barn]

It’s a fairytale-meets-fantasy D&D game where familiar storybook characters exist as real people, the world is fractured, and we get pulled in to fix something that’s way bigger than us. Or A D&D campaign where fairytale worlds are real, the sky is shattered, and the truth behind the stories is not what anyone remembers

[glossy otter]

This is my first encounter with this situation, but I've got to agree. If it's gone on for a month, it's best to go

[woven flint]

I'm the problem and the solution 🧐

[remote wadi]

Well, either it gets better with some people giving back a little of what I put in

Or they have no intentions of thinking of someone other than themselves and we part ways

[glossy otter]

oooh, its giving me Eldraine energy and I love that

[crimson gulch]

you are far beyond that allready, stop deluding yourself, you have tolerated abuse and a terrible experience for this long for what? nothing is going to turn around here but the lessions you learn can be carried forward away from there

[sacred wigeon]

While it may be cliche, I made the BBEG a misunderstood creature and I wanted to really challenge the morality of the party by considering their good intentions cause real problems for others and the motive of the BBEG is reasonable while their actions are malicious

[rapid barn]

Never heard of that but yeah I know I'll do a few small ones IRL but not sure if I wanna do a bigger one online

[woven flint]

Is it bad to not care for dragons because they're narcissistic and care about themselves above all other species? Lol

[marble lion]

Or youre misinterpreting the situation, either way something has to change

[remote wadi]

It's partially because I'm tired of always having to choose between having a terrible experience or a boring empty lifeless experience

And I want to feel like what I say and try to do actually matters and can change things for once

[humble cairn]

It's way past time to quit this group. It's a bad fit. It was clear it was a bad fit months ago.

[glossy otter]

I would pull the technicality with them, but even then metallic dragons do have slight selfish motives

[woven flint]

I hope your party does what's right for everyone, in all seriousness

[remote wadi]

I'm at least going to wait around for a bit because DM is asking everyone for opinions on this

[woven flint]

Silver Dragons are probably the least selfish, methinks

They just wanna be among other people

[sacred wigeon]

I’m trying to write it where I can provide some level of satisfaction and closure in what they decide to do for endgame and make it replayable because I don’t want there to be any “one right answer”.

[remote wadi]

Either way, something tells me I won't be touching Ranger for a good long while after this. Probably the worst class for a quid pro quo gameplan

[silk hare]

Agreed, im mostly in ozher channels and even i know about that lol

[marble lion]

Being narcissistic tbh isnt a reason to be thrown under the bus i think
You can still do good and care for others
You just are very selfimportant

[rapid barn]

I'm drawing my own maps and characters but I'm sucky at drawing so this will be fun

[remote wadi]

Talking to me other someone else?

[marble lion]

Not you

[woven flint]

Was the Dragons significant other and Offspring slain as well?

[glossy otter]

the dragon topic in regards to being a narcissist

[silk hare]

Lmao

[sacred wigeon]

The politics of the end will be difficult because they could kill the dragon and free will is restored and the people are thankful that they don’t live under oppression but now live in fear of rampant disorder and increased crime. Inversely, they could be hated by some for having the opportunity to win and chose not to in order to keep people safe and be the “unlikely” heroic action. The dragons entire kin was slaughtered by the like of human, elf, dwarf, and so forth. S/O and offspring too.

[humble cairn]

You don't have to play Ranger, but like we told you before, this is not a Ranger problem.

[marble lion]

Thought constantly pointing at everyone else for weeks could also mean that its relevant to you
Not necessarily the case though
You could just be playing with a nightmare group

[buoyant oar]

Sometimes its crap or get off the pot

[woven flint]

Of course!
I just don't care for beings who view themselves as the most superior

[crimson gulch]

The class you pick has nothing to do with how terrible the party your playing with is

[marble lion]

Rude. I thought we had something special

[remote wadi]

You're technically right, but I also don't want to pick this up again if it means having if repeat over amd over again

[woven flint]

You're an exception

[marble lion]

Of course i am

[silk hare]

Also if u dont enjoy playing the class as a "solo" thing, u A: built it wrong or B: had the wrong expectations to begin with

[crimson gulch]

Game mechanics will not solve social issues, and that'd what you have here, social issue with the table

[remote wadi]

Where every single suggestion that could make it easier on myself or others is "controlling" and "forcing optimization"

[humble cairn]

It's a group problem, so quit the group. It has nothing to do with the class.

[marble lion]

Ranger is fine but i understand being put off by a bad experience associated with it

[silk hare]

I mean thats the game for you if your issue is that you feel "underpowered"?

[woven flint]

I don't hate all Dragons
Hell, the Psychopathic Murder Dragons (Black Dragons) are probably my favorite lol

[marble lion]

My favourite is the red dragon

[uncut zenith]

As everybody’s said, the issues you’re having are “above table” issues. You’re associating the problems you’re having with the wrong things.

[silk hare]

Basic but a classic (not in a bad way, good taste lol)

[marble lion]

A symbol of overt tyranny and domination full of arrogance and evil

[remote wadi]

Gloomstalkergets great benefits from playing at night and in darkness. Won't mean crap if the party never does ANYTHING at night

[woven flint]

Hmmm.

Chromatic: Black
Metallic: Copper
And
Gem: Amythyst
Those are my faves

[marble lion]

Black and white are tied for close second though

[silk hare]

Okay cool, so you had the wrong expectations of always controlling when where and how to fight

[marble lion]

Black for its obsession with having the last laugh
And white for embracing primal brutality

Theyre all very cool

[woven flint]

Copper Dragons just like being Heros, they'll patrol Areas and swoop down to rescue people in danger

[crimson gulch]

No one can use all their features all the time

[spring glen]

I like Gold Dragons

[silk hare]

"Hey, rogues are super cool if all your teammates work together, restrain enemies to give u advantage and cast invisibility on you for sneak attack damage constantly "

[marble lion]

Are those the talkative clingy people

[buoyant oar]

Dark interiors exist

[remote wadi]

It's not being able to do ANYTHING for yourself because you're being held back by a party who deems any work towards making the experimece bigger for someone else as "not worth the effort" and "less fun for us"

[woven flint]

I thought Bronze was the Talkative Clingy one...
Or was it Copper And I got the two mixed up?

[silk hare]

• not gonna happen all the time, so wrong expectations of what youll be able to do to begin with

[marble lion]

Yes but also they could apparently quest at night without major drawbacks

So thats a pretty reasonable complaint

I still think there is more to it but maybe not

[woven flint]

We should bring back Mercury Dragons, the fellas you have to make a saving throw to understand because they talk so fast and so much and just ramble 💀

[small heath]

One of my favorite dragons I ever got to control/role play as is a Bronze Dragon named Rockwell. He was very helpful for the group who interacted with him, but he was very strict on his expectations and was quick to judge those who he was helping.

[silk hare]

Ofc you could, but expecting it and building your character around ONLY doing stuff at night as described above is just not going to happen

[remote wadi]

You say this, but I haven't been able to attack with advantage
Not been able to cast spells that freely
Had very little utility
And had just about every suggestion brutally and swiftly shut down

[marble lion]

Id love one in my game

[woven flint]

Baby Mercury dragon.

[marble lion]

When being able to pick the time for a quest, a good party will accomodate this though

[remote wadi]

So stop trying to justify this by saying "Oh, if won't happen all the time"

When it has NOT HAPPENED ONCE

[woven flint]

I think they're also known as Quicksilver Dragons 🤔

[marble lion]

But you cant always freely pick the time

[humble cairn]

The DM did inflict vampirism on the character, meaning they would die in the sunlight.

[silk hare]

True that, but its been going on for months and they learned they werent going to do that

[marble lion]

Really?

[silk hare]

I see, then its just a bad party thing too

[marble lion]

Oh absolutely its a quitting angle for a long time now

[silk hare]

Exactly my point and its not a class problem itself, but expectation of subclass

[remote wadi]

At this point, I'm very tempted to jusy stick around and hear what their opinions on me were

So I know who is worth keeping touch with and blocking the rest

[buoyant oar]

If you have been in a campaign and you have NEVER used a chief feature of your build and you wait until things are boiled over before approaching the DM about it. Its a bit on you tbh.

[north hawk]

Which DM are we crucifying now?

[sleek cloud]

Yeah there are some subclasses that have more reliance on outside factors than others to be fully effective, gloomstalker falls into that category

[remote wadi]

I have brought this up several times before

Every time, it was just the equivalent of "shut up and focus on what makes your character good"

[sleek cloud]

I’d put thief rogue potentially in that category too when it comes to magic item usage but that gets into optimization territory

[knotty pasture]

Tbh you don't even need to run around in the night as Gloom Stalker, like it'd be at its best if you do but I think just dim light in general works, or don't because the bread and butter for Gloom Stalker has always been the extra damage free attack on turn 1 + PWT

[buoyant oar]

Then leave. Problem solved. If the DM won't work with you then the only answer has been clear since that first interaction. If you continue to sit at that table. Then you consent that this is fine.

[humble cairn]

Dim light doesn't help Gloomstalker at all, they basically need full darkness.

[wanton sorrel]

sighs

[sleek cloud]

Wait this sounds familiar, is this the same group that has the homebrew abilities and stuff for most of the rest of the party (I think there’s a paladin in there?) but not your ranger

[minor cargo]

(I don't know if this is helpful, but I kind of get the feel that Bloodline785 isn't really looking for advice or input, yeah? Like this feels just like a vent? Which isn't to say it isn't valid. It's just that if my guess is right, maybe it's worth changing how we approach?)

[knotty pasture]

Oh yeah you do need full darkness, eh you definitely don't even need to play around Darkness here

[humble cairn]

Yes, only now the Ranger is a vampire, so like .. some homebrew?

[remote wadi]

I don't want to talk about it

Which means yes, but it's clear I'm suffering enough, so don't rub it in

[remote wadi]

Vampire spawn

[uncut zenith]

Ultimately it sounds like you’re more frustrated by being at this table than you are having fun. Why stick around if you’re more frustrated than you are having fun?

[knotty pasture]

Well its kind of like, he vents 70% of the time and asks advice 30% of the time but the advice usually goes back to a vent so at some point you'd think this is just disrupting chat but mods said he's safe so we're all at a limbo here

[woven flint]

No D&D is better than Bad D&D is pretty much the server motto

[sleek cloud]

Just getting my bearings on the situation

And also this has been the same situation for months it sounds like since I remember reading relatively the same issue minus the vampire spawn update

[uncut zenith]

D&D is supposed to be fun for everybody involved, not something that causes you frustration to the point that you go to bed angry

[sleek cloud]

So yeah, what my brain cell sharer tokii said

[remote wadi]

Because I am reminded time and time again that my entire life is needing to choose between having nothing and being depressed

Or trying things out, only for them to fail miserably

[wanton sorrel]

a person shows up... and then had to leave for chores... T_T

[woven flint]

Our brains should kiss
Intellect Devourer style

[sleek cloud]

Btw Asmodeus said it’s my turn

[remote wadi]

Probably not going to bed at all. I have work in 5 hours

[buoyant oar]

Yeah I get that, at the same time a public space's general channel is not the most appropriate place to vent about issues.

[sleek cloud]

I’m picturing it and that’s just horrific. Spectacular work sir

[remote wadi]

And the Fighter is really trying to rub me the wrong way too

[woven flint]

Hell yeah

[remote wadi]

Saying that I'm "just a murder hobo who also sucks at the killing part"

[knotty pasture]

He lowkey has a point

[remote wadi]

Give me a break...

[knotty pasture]

His execution is bad whenever he runs his mouth but for some reason I find him a tad bit more bearable than the Paladin

[delicate owl]

Eberron book in 24mins!

[sleek cloud]

frothing at the mouth for the pugilist book in february

I’m gonna have such a spicy dwarf

[delicate owl]

A str based unarmed class does seem nice

[delicate owl]

Punch-Up time?

[sleek cloud]

He’s gonna have mutton chops

[woven flint]

Then just LEAVE, leave the game or find a D&D server with a venting section, post on RPGHorrorStories, idk, dude, this has been and issue and you've done nothing to better it so why should we help you if you don't listen to our advice anyway????

[remote wadi]

I have the least amount of blood on my hands by a considerable margin, only killing if it's unavoidable or needed

I just wanted to feel like combat was actually fun for me instead of being severely handicapped until the party decides they want to help someone else out too

[sleek cloud]

Haven’t actually played dispatch but he’s the nut puncher right

[north hawk]

I think there's a nuanced line for this. But if you hate the game then yeah don't play it. Just like anything else.

[woven flint]

Punch Up

[sleek cloud]

Tracks

[knotty pasture]

Hypercarrying as Ranger Rogue Fighter has always been the solution, just that Bloodline is also likely to kick the bucket before he properly gets the Fighter levels so...

[remote wadi]

Because I am dead tired of my choices being "continue and suffer, or stop the suffering and become dead inside either way"

DnD is supposed to be an escape from reality, not a reminder of my reality

[humble cairn]

I don't know your life, but I kind of know life in general and I'm fairly sure this is a false dichotomy.

[halcyon bison]

good morning humanoids

[woven flint]

Holy shit.
I'm gonna have an aneurysm

[knotty pasture]

This is why this server needs a therapy channel

[remote wadi]

Whatever. I'll just sleep for a few hours

Goodbye

[knotty pasture]

See you in a few days as we check in on our uhh

[uncut zenith]

No no, nobody should be getting therapeutic help from anybody who isn’t a licensed therapist

[remote wadi]

Yeah yeah, i get it

[knotty pasture]

Ranger Rogue adventures

[woven flint]

Agreed

[sleek cloud]

If not playing at all with a group that’s causing that much suffering makes you feel dead inside, there might be some more things you should consider in your overall life, I hope things work out the best for you.

[loud tendon]

Absolutely not.. we are not doctors or trained professionals. That should be reserved for a private space with folks with degrees. Not armchair experts trying to help

[sleek cloud]

Anyways, what’s everyone’s favorite magic weapon

[woven flint]

Double Agreed

[knotty pasture]

I don't think this is sustainable though legit

[north hawk]

I think most people are conflating actual therapy with venting and sharing their bad experiences.

[woven flint]

Looks at Vicious weapons because I'm quirky like that

[hidden spindle]

Two-Birds Sling

[sleek cloud]

Dual wielding some vicious weapons go hard

[humble cairn]

Oh, nice one.

[woven flint]

The Flail of Tiamat is also fun

[loud tendon]

Venting can be helpful, but we try to lean away from a space that is just venting/sharing bad experiences, because it tends to fester.. promoting the successes and more positive sides seems to have better legs

[bronze canopy]

I have a fun Kensei monk build that I want to try with that

[woven flint]

I also like Nightbringer because I like Alignment based magic weapons/items

[knotty pasture]

But Bloodline has been doing that for months here now on the regular

[hidden spindle]

Oh that's nice~

[loud tendon]

I do like a scimitar of speed. Can be fun

[knotty pasture]

When we asked it doesn't count as rule breaking so we're at a standstill

[delicate owl]

Depends on what im playing. But, Feywild Shard on Wild Magic Sorc is fun as heck.

I like Cube of Summoning a lot, and Bag of Tricks.

[woven flint]

I've tried to justify it on my Rogue, but I really like using my bonus action for other things 😔

[delicate owl]

Yeah rogue is probably the worst option for that item Tokii lol

[woven flint]

Shuddup
Bonk

[worn lagoon]

There's genuinely nothing worse than a public vent channel.

Good evening folks

[north hawk]

It would be a dark place.

[karmic pendant]

Good morning

[woven flint]

My Rogue fights with a Hand Crossbow and a Scimitar
Though, he doesn't go in melee much

[delicate owl]

Give it to a dual wielding martial, you get 4 attacks a turn at level 5 baseline, fighter gets 6 at level 20. (Im including nick here)

[knotty pasture]

Turn off chat view, so its just shouting into the void

[woven flint]

The void starts shouting back

[halcyon bison]

The void says "stop shouting at me I didn't do anything"

[empty thicket]

Chest of preservation
Alchemy jug (any of them)
There was an item that let you manifest 2 daggers and can throw them for free, dont remember the name

[bronze canopy]

For magic items, I have a preference for giving non-combat items to my players. If they figure out how to use them in combat, all the better. Anything to mix things up, like Adamantine weapons to break the environment

[delicate owl]

Bracer of Flying Daggers

[remote wadi]

Guess what left i can say for now is

Holy crap, I'm sorry for this dragging on for so long. Wanted something to just... work out for once, not this

[hidden spindle]

Demon Armor on a Paladin

[remote wadi]

Hope you all can forgive me for all this

[sleek cloud]

What happens when enemies gain resistance to non magical weps

[woven flint]

Energy Bows on a Thief Rogue is pretty fun, since you can use their utility options as a bonus action

I used one in a oneshot to teleport the Druid away from danger..
But we got swarmed again lol

[empty thicket]

yeah, that, cant love it more and would make it part of a character i want to make.
A rogue arcane trickster or assassin that can poison her attacks, enemies, throw tons of daggers, sneak around everything and dodge a lot.
OR put debuffs to the enemies and kill them slowly making them less powerful

[delicate owl]

Poor AT.. overshadowed by Thief, the better caster

[empty thicket]

Its "The silent" from Slay the spire

[jolly oyster]

As a nationally certified counselor, I would def not recommend any type of true counseling in a discord channel. D&D can be used as a therapeutic tool, but if someone needs help they should be seeking in-person it telemental counseling

[woven flint]

My Rogue has bracers of flying daggers
But the maps the dm uses are too damn big to always get use out of it!

[sleek cloud]

Arcane trickster is still solid

Thiefs power scales on magic item availability

Although I do love their stealth attack cunning action

[remote wadi]

It's a long story. Probably best reserved for another time. Or DMs

[sleek cloud]

Climb speeds are nice too

[delicate owl]

Even without magic items, thieves get essentially two turns later and a way to never be revealed easily 🙁

[remote wadi]

I'll go get some sleep now

[woven flint]

Truth

[delicate owl]

But Im hellbent on trying an AT and Assassin, maybe even Soulknife.

[glossy otter]

what did I just return to?

[woven flint]

I'll never play AT or Assassin...
But Soulknife is on my list

[sleek cloud]

True, if the game goes up that high

[glossy otter]

if we're going about rogue subclasses, I'd kill to play a Inquisitor

[knotty pasture]

I need to try out Arcane Trickster fr fr

[halcyon bison]

I don't enjoy the rogue playstyle much :(
But I haven't tried it in 2024 so maybe it's better

[delicate owl]

I think at and assassin would be great in a more social based campaign. Stealing with the mage hand is pretty cool

[halcyon bison]

Melee rogues are more interesting but really hard to do

[woven flint]

Agree, Agree

[sleek cloud]

Ive got a swashbuckler set for Saturday

Leaning into zhentarim tactics stuff

[glossy otter]

idk what it is but Whispers bard with Phantom rogue is a frightening combo

[woven flint]

Not really?
Just Skirmish
Use a dagger or scimitar with Nick, follow your Frontliner, then disengage after getting a solid wallop in

[delicate owl]

Melee rogues do have the highest damage potential

[halcyon bison]

hmm I might try that sometime

[delicate owl]

Of rogues that is.

[woven flint]

Yup, I mean, an enemies not likely to follow when your Fighter/Paladin/Barbarian/Whatever is right in front of them lol

[halcyon bison]

sneak attack should work with unarmed strike

[bronze canopy]

I still offer those and make them available, but I like limited use items that make them weigh their options instead of just swinging away

[minor cargo]

I know we moved on in general, but I'll add in my one last thought: I know how frustrating it can be to watch someone vent and spiral.

But I think one thing we in this server are too quick to do is to try to "solve" or "fix it". I think a perfectly reasonable (and perhaps the most helpful) thing to do in a lot of cases is just to say, "I'm sorry to hear that." And then let it lie; don't scratch at it.

[delicate owl]

New eberron book is out, need

6 subclasses, 10 species, 12 feats. 40 magic items gimme gimme

[woven flint]

Explode

[sleek cloud]

WHAT

[wanton sorrel]

shrugs

[delicate owl]

Maverick Artificer is based on being a pure spellcaster 😈

[woven flint]

Your mo-

[bronze canopy]

Buying with blood money

[woven flint]

Watch it have been massacred

[rugged hawk]

I see WotC has taken notes from Nintendo on how not to sort a shop properly. No price sorting, no newest sorting, just 'recently viewed' and 'title'.

[woven flint]

I'm excited for Living Weapon Monk lol

[woven flint]

Average consumer hostile tactics /joking

[rugged hawk]

Would also help if I could have it not show what I already own

Would be even more helpful if you could search by book contents

Like, say, have it only show books that offer subclasses, or books that have species options, or whatever.

[crimson gulch]

yeah dnd beyond is terribley orginized for sure

[uncut zenith]

That sounds like it would just make the marketplace even worse to navigate tbh

I get maybe having a filter for “player character content”, but a bunch of filters for subclasses, species, etc would not be fun

[delicate owl]

Accessibility and Convenience does have its flaws when it comes to personal preferences in how you want it organized and filtered.

[silk hare]

Why not, just keep as is for the default and give the OPTION to filter

[uncut zenith]

Their newer marketplace definitely sucks tho. The marketplace they had prior to WOTC buying DDB wasn’t perfect, but it’s better than what we have now

[halcyon bison]

Personally, I would like a filter
But it's not a super big deal for me cause I don't really buy books on d&dbeyond

I prefer physical copies

[lavish flame]

I'd be down for a bunch of filters on the marketplace

[rugged hawk]

Physical copies are great until you have to start cross referencing

...or until you need a bigger table and bookcase to hold them all

[uncut zenith]

Or a rolling suitcase to carry them between locations

[rough basalt]

Yeah I need a bigger bookcase but it's worth it

[delicate owl]

Indeed. Physical is neat. But it is definitely unwieldy and inconvenient at times. But hey, if thats what you prefer, so be it.

[rough basalt]

I only get digital if it's part of a physical + digital bundle personally

[uncut zenith]

I mostly started buying in DDB because when I first started DMing, I didn’t host. So carrying all the books I used around was kind of a hassle.

[rugged hawk]

Speaking of needing bigger tables, I needed to get one because I have D&D Dungeon of the Mad Mage, Temple of Elemental Evil, and Tomb of Annihilation board games.

[rough basalt]

I have a really good table for tabletop games but I live in the middle of nowhere so can't use it

[gray garden]

Chat I have a question how do y’all feel about people who have never played dnd dming

[rugged hawk]

What's great is that they're all interconnectable so you can mix and match them together. But playing it takes SO MUCH SPACE.

[rough basalt]

The community needs more dms

[gray garden]

Might buy the new book

[uncut zenith]

When I used to run in-person games, I would just put two of those folding white picnic tables side by side. That usually did the job well enough

[valid geyser]

on my wednesday game we have a big nice table for this kind of thing in the esports room of the student union
the problem is that theres two concurrent groups so during most weeks our group settles with a basic folding table

[lyric viper]

Palpatine voice: Do it

[gray garden]

[halcyon bison]

Yeah but then I get to have a bunch of books spread out in front of me and I feel like I'm a wizard consulting the tomes

[uncut zenith]

If they’re enthusiastic about it and not approaching it with the attitude that they have to or that its a burden they have to bear, I say go for it

[gray garden]

Mmm

I like your take on it

[woven flint]

I thought of a terrifying idea for my next possible character

[uncut zenith]

My personal opinion is that any DM, new or old, who approaches the role with the mindset that they have to because nobody else will is already starting off on the wrong foot.

[halcyon bison]

I want to hear it!

I like scary characters

[woven flint]

A Gnoll monk that punches you so hard each time he's practically breaking or dislocating bones in his hands each time, but he just snaps them back into place

[halcyon bison]

owie

[woven flint]

I can see them doing it
They choose violence daily

[halcyon bison]

That doesn't seem very healthy :(

[woven flint]

It's fun, thats what matters!

I wouldn't mess with the fella that punches so hard that not only do I start bleeding, but so does he

[rugged hawk]

I mean, you say that, but everybody messes with Midoriya.

[woven flint]

That's because Midoriya is a whimp

Even with all that power

[rugged hawk]

Okay, well, you make an excellent point, the kid's dad must've been an actual doormat.

[halcyon bison]

I dunno who that is but maybe they should wear hand protection or someting

[woven flint]

Gnolls are also some of the most feared peoples in Eberron lol

[halcyon bison]

Make sure to punch people in the face responsibly :)

[minor cargo]

Carrying books was a hassle for sure, but on hot days, it gave me an excuse to take off my shirt and walk around the city in my aviators, chessex battlemap poking out my backpack.

[crimson gulch]

i haul a suitcase, a backpack a breifcase and a citadel miniatures crate to the shop 2 to 3 times a week

[dense sphinx]

Ayo I was coming up with a player character concept from a game I was playing and deep dive into all things too that idea and the idea is

A cat that is a Necromancer i got the whole cat that can be a playable character thing down with wish magic or wild magic or even a stone magic gem thing from past discussions

It’s pretty much an awakened cat I’m even using the homebrew for it too

The reason for the cat choosing necromancy is to be able to do daily thing like open doors and write or even be able to blend in without standing out coz the whole talking cat by using the skeleton as the direction of where the voice comes from so people would think its talking not the cat

And the main reason for using the undead is simple they’ll do what you tell them when to do it without question but they also won’t take advantage of you nor betray you as being a cat has a lot of weaknesses that is easily taken advantage of like just being put into a box or a sack

They also don’t need money

And I’ve looked threw the home brew for necromancy and picked the gray necromancy one as that allows me at level 2 to have a skeleton servant (a willing person that’s about to die) that isn’t mindless but follows as their master and technically can’t die unless I perish first

So I got that sorted but I don’t know what else I should be aware of and I’m still working out on the backstory between how the near death man and cat came to be and but I just working backwards till it all clicks together

Sorry for the long post

[uncut zenith]

Like you needed an excuse 😏

[stark arch]

cast mold earth in front of me creating a 5 foot ditch moving the earth ifront of it making a 5 foot mound of dirt . thus giving 10 foot of cover when jumping in the 5 feet hole this would give me full cover from that direction its facing right ? and three-quarters from other direction where there is no mound of dirt

[candid falcon]

I will say that that is one advantage for digital content (no a lot is needed to haul around).. I just don't like the idea of "renting" something I've paid a high price for that I can only access via online. Case and point.. we had a major snow/ice storm this past weekend. Power went out on Sunday morning, came back up on Monday. We lit a fire in the fireplace and played d&d by candle light with our physical books (admittingly the dice were a touch difficult to read), but we never could have done that if all our books were on dndbeyond.

[uncut zenith]

Yeah overall I prefer physical for one major reason only, and that’s the fact that you actually own the content as opposed to purchasing a license to access something.

Overall though, I can’t deny how great DDB has been for me and my tables, provided the circumstances allow us to access it when needed.

[jolly oyster]

Meant to reply to your earlier post - but loved your interview with Ed over the weekend 🤌🏻

[jolly oyster]

I prefer physical because I have a collecting/hoarding problem lol! But I also host -in person - the games I DM, so lugging it all around is never an issue. I would love to use VTT though!

[buoyant oar]

Physical collection + a book scanner Own your content in Print And have a PDF back up.

[valid geyser]

my issue with d&d specifically is that physical books are the more expensive option

[candid falcon]

thank you! It was WOW so much fun! I'm already working on what all we are gonna chat about in the next meeting 🙂

[jolly oyster]

I didn’t realize he had a discord channel, so I have since joined that as well. Super interesting!

[candid falcon]

aye, it's a good one too.. sooooo much lore there!

[tawdry sentinel]

Depends how tall you are but yeah, digging a hole and hopping into it, possibly going prone, is gonna be good cover. Whether or not it's total is a stretch.

[valid geyser]

Session is tomorrow and I expect it to be primarily shopping and preparing for confrontations with demons and other magical baddies. Money is essentially a non-issue. Any suggestions to boost my security? I’m planning to get a hallow placed on our boat to prevent fiends and teleportation

[minor cargo]

Hirelings?

[valid geyser]

Yeah I’m definitely planning to staff our boat back up since we’ve been running a 40 man boat with only 14, which meant we couldn’t properly long rest while at sea

I guess my main concern is hiring unsavory guys. But I suppose that’s a necessary risk

[gray garden]

chat should i buy the new book

[valid geyser]

The new third party one? If you really like eberron it’s probably not a bad idea

[uncut zenith]

Only if you think you’ll get any value out of it

[crimson gulch]

100% My vibe here as well, I don't rent things since blockbuster went out od buisness

[halcyon bison]

Hallow might not work on a moving boat, I’d check with your DM for that

If it does good idea

[gray garden]

i do indeed fw eberron a lot

[valid geyser]

Yeah I remember asking the rules channel and i remember someone saying it would work, but i can see a DM realistically ruling against it

I guess I’m mainly scared of going too far with my spending and making balance a nightmare for the dm
But he also said that things will be getting much more difficult and, he’s the one who gave us extremely valuable trading goods, I’d love to be spending it on things other than crew wages

[halcyon bison]

If you cast hallow on a boat, and over time each part of the boat is replaced, is it the same boat? And should hallow keep working?

[final harness]

Are "On touch" spells able to be cast on yourself? I feel weird asking the dm if I can "Touch myself"

[halcyon bison]

If you then use each of the pieces taken from the original boat to build a new boat, does that boat get the benefits of Hallow?

[crimson gulch]

If you cast hallow on a boat, and sail on, that part of the river back there is gonna be hallow

[halcyon bison]

Yes. As long as a spell doesn’t specifically say you can’t target yourself, you can

[woven flint]

You can, yes

[final harness]

So it IS possible to reach 20 ac at lvl 2

[umbral girder]

“Can I target myself with this?” Is how you can rephrase it.

[kind bramble]

gotta love forgetting that I have 2 luck points left in 2014 5e when I roll a 1 to hit an enemy ranged while I'm on top of a ship mast making me almost fall if I didn't succeed my acrobatics

[umbral girder]

Yeah it’s possible at level 1

[gray garden]

. It creates a stationary, permanent (until dispelled) 60-foot radius sphere of magical energy centered on a fixed point in space or an object (like a stone floor) that does not move.

[valid geyser]

2024 removed the stationary clause I think

[halcyon bison]

Yes and it’s very easy

[gray garden]

it didnt

[empty thicket]

i try to alway save my lucky for saves honestly, being a fighter dont give me too much defensive stuff for some spells

[umbral girder]

Warforged fighter or a Cleric with Shield of Faith can get 20 AC at level 1

[gray garden]

its exactly the same

[valid geyser]

Ah I thought you were quoting phb14 and it stated being stationary

[halcyon bison]

The main issue is getting plate armor

[gray garden]

no it just is stationary

[umbral girder]

Why?

You can do it with Chain Mail and a Shield.

[gray garden]

its like saying antimagic field can move because you cast it on a boat

[halcyon bison]

Cause it costs 1,500 gold and this is a level 1-2 character

[umbral girder]

For Cleric Shield of Faith gives +2

Warforged + Defensive fighting style can also get that +2.
20 AC at level 1

[empty thicket]

Price, most of time you cant get it directly and unless the DM give it in some point, the price is really high

[kind bramble]

Smart. I try to save them for important rolls. such as my 1 to hitting or extremely dangerous saves

[final harness]

I begged my Dm for it ✌️😂

[halcyon bison]

Oh wait I forgot about shields

Silly me

[gray garden]

how did you forget about shield

[umbral girder]

Yeah Plate Mail was not in this equation.

[empty thicket]

that too, mostly Fright or Charm saves

[valid geyser]

I think for hallow, I could see the clause that you’re touching a point as a tiny piece of evidence pointing that the point could move

[final harness]

Oh

[valid geyser]

Like, I would for sure not allow someone to hallow a brick and carry that around. That’s dumb

[final harness]

That's how I reached 16 in the first place.

[umbral girder]

It’s Chain Mail + a Shield for 18

[halcyon bison]

Is a boat a “place”?

[kind bramble]

wish my fighter had lucky back when she was possessed and as a result almost insta killed our druid

[empty thicket]

And if i dont land any hit from the last 3 attacks i use one too, i cant be without dealing dps

[gray garden]

You touch a point and infuse an area around it with holy or unholy power. The area can have a radius up to 60 feet, and the spell fails if the radius includes an area already under the effect of Hallow. The affected area has the following effects.
no where does it state that this area can move

[meager fractal]

Found a good online group but the DM kicked me for not wanting to pay him for character art RIP (Not anyone on this server)

[valid geyser]

I’d say it is. People live and work in boats. For lots of intents, it is a place

[empty thicket]

oh i know that if i get possesed and i attack one of my allies i can easily drop him half hp.
Its why i try to either be far from them or at enough range to dont harm them

[final harness]

Does being a warforged just give you +1 ac?

[umbral girder]

I’d say an Object than a place

[gray garden]

yeah

[umbral girder]

So poison resistance and a tool prof.

[final harness]

Warforged Cleric with an actual Shield and Shield of Faith

[umbral girder]

And advantage on saves against poison. Long rests for only 4 hours instead of 8, no need for food or water

[gray garden]

a shield and shield of faith stack ya know

[umbral girder]

Yep

We’ve already being saying that

[kind bramble]

right now i'm a soulknife rogue so went all out on dice bs. fun watching the dm's face when I say "I'm gonna add my d8 psychic die for this ability check" or "i'm just gonna reroll that"

[final harness]

Could I also multiclass into fighter for the extra ac from Defensive Fighting style?

[gray garden]

i guess yeah

[umbral girder]

Sure. Wouldn’t be that good of a build but yeah

[gray garden]

but you could just take the feat that gives you a fighting style

[umbral girder]

AC is really just a single form of defense you need a lot of different styles of defense beyond AC

[gray garden]

like saves

[final harness]

So if I REALLY hate my dm I can js choose a cool 22 AC at lvl 2

[umbral girder]

HP, Saving throws, damage reduction, etc.

[gray garden]

fire ball*

[umbral girder]

Not that hard to get around tbh.

[final harness]

nervous glup

[umbral girder]

A few Magmins and Mephits can easily ruin it.

[gray garden]

me when dex save

thats why paladins were so strong in 2014

[umbral girder]

Still are in 2024 too

[gray garden]

high ac and high saves

[gray garden]

yeah but they dont hit as hard

[umbral girder]

Nah they still do

[final harness]

How I feel after my DM uses messed up scaling for rolls and gives me three +4s, a +3 and two +2s

[gray garden]

explain

[final harness]

For my ability scores

[tawdry sentinel]

Aura and then concentrating on bless is pretty disgusting for full party super juicing

[halcyon bison]

You can also use unarmed for divine smite now
Which means you can have a Dhampir who smites with bites :3

[umbral girder]

They get a free smite without using a spell slot and a free find steed which can both fight and apply status effects without taking their actions to use.

[halcyon bison]

I like unarmed fighting it’s just cooler

[umbral girder]

Also Divine smite can now be on a magic item for even more free Smites now

[final harness]

Biting 🥰

[grand pivot]

Hey I have joined some pretty bad groups recently any advise on screening from a player pov while still finding a group within a reasonable aamount of time.

[gray garden]

bites are considered weapons unarmed strikes are not

[fast venture]

I got hit with a character idea out of nowhere

[gray garden]

your bite as a dhampir is a naturel weapon

[halcyon bison]

They’re unarmed in 2024

[harsh hinge]

Are they existing groups or are you starting from scratch?

[fast venture]

Grave cleric domain moth girl who keeps herself blindfolded and her catalyst is a lantern on a staff. She denies herself the light to guide others to it

[gray garden]

how is a bite an unarmed strike 😭

[umbral girder]

The main difference is 2014 could just smite more than once a turn.

But in 2024 they are more spread out but can smite more often than in 2014

[fast venture]

Maybe partially undead as extra sauce?

[halcyon bison]

You’re not using a weapon?

[gray garden]

so a bears claw is an unarmed strike

or there teeth

its called a natural weapon for a reason

a weapon that you naturally have

[umbral girder]

Not anymore. 2024 Dhampir in the new book is an Unarmed Strike

[halcyon bison]

In a sense yes
It’s also a natural weapon which is why I don’t like the distinction between the two
But in any case making Dhampir bites unarmed makes it way easier to work with

[umbral girder]

Dhampir got updated in the Asterion book.

[gray garden]

i like the verison where your still kinda your past race

[umbral girder]

2024 Smites also say “weapon attack or Unarmed Strike”

Basically the 2024 Paladin can smite on the new Dhampir’s bite attack now

[gray garden]

the dhampir from Asterion's book and the dhampier from 2014 are totally different

[gray garden]

you can do that in 2014 as well not really a big change

[umbral girder]

It’s amusing that magical Hand Wraps now apply to Dhampir bites now

[valid geyser]

Yeah the bites were weirdly a simple weapon

[umbral girder]

Since it’s an Unarmed Strike.

[gray garden]

i suppose

i still miss conjure woodland beings

[umbral girder]

Ah yes the “ask the dm to put monsters on the map of their choice” spell

[gray garden]

stat block vs stat block

[umbral girder]

The new one being a stronger Spirit Guardians is neat.

[gray garden]

why were people panicing over spirit guardians anyway?

doesnt seems all that broken

[umbral girder]

A nice terrain and damage control spell

Slows enemies down while also doing decent damage. You can just do the dodge action and move around with it after you cast it

Very economical spell

[fickle heart]

I know the topic has moved on, and apologies for the ping (I wanted you to see the appreciation), but that last bit is probably one of the best framings of the decision-making process behind leaving a D&D campaign (or other situation where the goal is not specifically to enact greater change). It seems so obvious, but I think it's hard for new players (and experienced players too, sometimes!) to understand that actively showing up to a session and subjecting themselves to a negative experience they can easily avoid by not showing up is a form of implicit consent. There is almost never duress, but the sunk-cost fallacy can really blind people to the fact that other games exist and they could be searching for a one that fits them better.

[umbral girder]

Also avoids allies too i think

[gray garden]

i mean the spell conjure minor elementals

why were people shouting for the spell to be nerfed

[umbral girder]

Oh yeah busted for Multiattack stuff. Like Scorching Ray

[gray garden]

it has to be within 15ft..

[umbral girder]

Especially if you upcast CME

[buoyant oar]

The maxim of D&D social interaction is that silence is consenting. If the DM is unawares to what you are feeling must construe with your silence that you consent to what is going on. Not that you denied.

[gray garden]

can people not read or something 😭

[umbral girder]

Also it’s difficult terrain

[gray garden]

ok so

[umbral girder]

So enemies need 30ft of movement to move through it.

[gray garden]

if your within 5ft of that enemy

[buoyant oar]

The culture of 5e play is one that actively discourages reading tbh.

[umbral girder]

so for example if you did a 2nd level Scorching Ray that’s 6d6+6d8 damage in 1 turn

[gray garden]

if you hit all of them

thats also 2 spell slots

[umbral girder]

Yep but also CME lasts 10 minutes and magic items count

[gray garden]

also disadvantage if an enemy is within 5ft unless you have that one feat

[umbral girder]

15ft not 5ft

And you aren’t in difficult terrain either so you can easily move away

[gray garden]

opportunity attack

[umbral girder]

If they are close enough for one

And, as you said, “if they hit”

Plus 1 OA is better than enemy Multiattack

[gray garden]

not to mention that only druid and wizards get CME

its also 4th level

i dont really see the issue

[umbral girder]

If you play low levels then yeah.

But 9th+ it gets out of hand easily

Especially with wizards getting decent amount of slots in a short rest

[halcyon bison]

When it came out conjure minor elementals was +2d6/upcast rather than +1d6, that didn’t help

[gray garden]

its 2d8

[halcyon bison]

Oh I forgot the dice size but yeah

[umbral girder]

Also yeah on release the upcast was wild for CME

Also helps CME has a list of possible damages so you can get around a good chunk of resistances

[gray garden]

ohhhh well yeah that can be an issue but other then that i still dont see why

acid cold fire lightning

[naive cedar]

whats the best and worst damage type

[umbral girder]

In what regards?

[naive cedar]

personal preference (i should clarify i meant in everyone's opinion)

[gray garden]

force is the best and posion is the worst

[umbral girder]

Nah poison is 2nd worst

[gray garden]

whats possible worse the posion?

[woven flint]

Fire

[halcyon bison]

I like necrotic and radiant in theme
My least favorite would probably be force casue it's kinda boring

[gray garden]

you do know all undead are immune to posion.

[burnt valley]

Warforged Forge Cleric 9/1 Fighter(Defensive), equip Plate and Shield

[halcyon bison]

Force would be good if it was rarer

[umbral girder]

Custard damage. It doesn’t kill or even knock out and targets get back to full go after being reduced to 0 from Custard damage.

[woven flint]

Not if their statblock doesn't say so lol

[naive cedar]

my favourites are also necrotic and radiant lol. worst is poison and acid is also kind of boring

[umbral girder]

That is in fact weaker than poison damage.

[naive cedar]

poison being so weak is weird considering that poison is usually strong in other games

[gray garden]

ive went through every undead in the dnd book and it says posion immune wdym

hell its not even just undeads theres also construts as well

[umbral girder]

looks at Vampire

[naive cedar]

yeah poison immunity is so common

[gray garden]

most if not all of them are immune to posion

[gray garden]

idk about 2024 but there immune to posion as well in 2014

[umbral girder]

I’m looking at 2014, they aren’t

[halcyon bison]

Maybe so you can poison the blood they drink?

[gray garden]

thats strange

[empty thicket]

yeah, had a talk about it before.
I think its because is the classic "add too much numbers" thing.
You can add a poison damage to a +1 ammo in a +1//magic weapon.
Poisons arent cheap either and finally their effects tend to be not so good

before they were really op for what i read, so i can guess too it was a too big nerf so people stop using them in everything and only a few use it properly

[gray garden]

oh i was thinking of kas

[naive cedar]

in a lot of games poison is op bc of its long term effects but in dnd its just....eh. its weird

[gray garden]

its cause most things are just immune to posion

fire is just resisted and theres a feat for that

[empty thicket]

Think its a damage that dont need you to concentrate and the enemy rarely can take it off too, comnpared to other many spells that need you conc for maintain the damage

[naive cedar]

fire is often resisted but its still pretty good imo

radiant goes the hardest though

[umbral girder]

Also constructs can be hurt by poison too

[empty thicket]

But then there is feats that help youn in that, poisoner

[gray garden]

yeah but its rarely an immunity for monsters

[umbral girder]

Warforged and Gorgons as examples too

[gray garden]

poisoner only gets resistant

[gray garden]

gorgons are Monstrosity

[uncut zenith]

Poisoner allows you to bypass resistance to poison damage, but not immunity

I believe same goes for Elemental Adept. It only bypasses resistance, not immunity

[empty thicket]

Better than nothing i guess, but then i would expect some ally to fill that space of damage

[uncut zenith]

If you’re immune, you’re fully safe

[gray garden]

yeah but the overwhelming majority of monsters are more often then not immune to posion not resistant which is why its the worst damage type

[umbral girder]

Not anymore

[uncut zenith]

Yeah poison is better as a condition than as a damage type

[uncut mural]

Is it just me or does the Barbarian class makes for an excellent template for a Monk character?

[naive cedar]

i wouldnt say overwhelming majority. its just that the ones that are are popular opponents

[gray garden]

bruh wdym

[woven flint]

... what?

[gray garden]

Force: -2
Radiant: -10
Thunder: -38
Psychic -74
Bludgeoning: -132
Necrotic: -140
Slashing: -156
Piercing: -160
Acid: -160
Lightning -238
Cold: -316
Fire -348
Poison -778

[uncut zenith]

Most of the official monsters in D&D that aren’t monstrosities are fiends and undead, both of which are usually resistant if not immune to poison

[delicate owl]

#dnd-newcomers

[empty thicket]

Pffff, most resisted damn....

[gray garden]

778

[naive cedar]

huh. i stand corrected

[empty thicket]

or is immunity?

[gray garden]

both

[empty thicket]

Bro....then if it isnt for damage and is easily resisted why poison exist?

[gray garden]

189 monsters are immune to posion

[umbral girder]

Updated to construct

[naive cedar]

radiant winning again though i see

[empty thicket]

and only 2 force immunity surprise me, expected at least 10

[valid geyser]

Let me see if I can find the mm14 vs 24 comparison I made a while ago

[umbral girder]

Oops wrong reply. Close enough.

[uncut mural]

Hear me out.

Scaling of Strength for Martial Arts makes a lot of sense.

Unarmored Defense being based on CON is basically Shaolin flavoring.

Rage is a state of mind, that can easily be flavored as Hyper-Focus or Inner Peace.

[uncut mural]

I mean,

Is 1 year into DnD still new

[naive cedar]

who are the force immune monsters?

[uncut mural]

Probably

[woven flint]

Dex makes sense because Martial arts aren't about strength, but precision

[empty thicket]

but yeah, poison in general is.... not so good and you would need to get a feat and a strong poison for higher lvl.... so Rouge have a hard time

[uncut mural]

Not all of them, actually.

It really depends on what Martial Arts.

[empty thicket]

wh..what?

[gray garden]

nah force immunity is extremely rare the two being the helmed horror and Amethyst Greatwyrm

[naive cedar]

i guess radiant and force are the best ones then

[gray garden]

yeah radiant and force are super goated

[empty thicket]

yeah yeah, but still, i expected more, still i understand why force is like "True damage" of the whole game

[uncut mural]

Some Martial Arts, like Taekwondo, focuses on Precision as a leverage for Strength

[naive cedar]

radiant also has the most aura. necrotic has second most aura

[uncut mural]

Precision only goes so far if you hit hard enough

[naive cedar]

force is like the default damage yeah. it reminds me somewhat of the "wind/air" type that you oftne see in other games though

[empty thicket]

i have a lil personal weakness to fire attack, spells, etc. etc.
Cany deny that exploding in flames or making walls of fire around one himself or covering yourself in flames sound epic

[gray garden]

it does

[umbral girder]

Wind/Air is lightning and thunder

[naive cedar]

lightning is usually seperate from wind/air. you're right about thunder though

[empty thicket]

But yeah, around 800 monsters//creatures have resit//imun to poison... yikes...
Me wanting to make my rogue assassin wont be easy....

[naive cedar]

i feel bad for rogues

[gray garden]

thunder is just a really loud noise

[halcyon bison]

KABOOM

[gray garden]

thats why all creatures within silence are immune to thunder damage

[umbral girder]

I mean air elementals/cultists usually do lighting and Thunder damage

[naive cedar]

that is true. im referring to other games where theres often a seperate lightning and wind damage type

[gray garden]

radiant damage has the most aura cause you can say your using the sun to smite your foes

[naive cedar]

exactly

[gray garden]

also another reason for considering damage types is are you realistically gonna be fighting said monster

[naive cedar]

true. radiant damage shines in any campaign involving the undead for example

[woven flint]

Radiant Damage is boring

Real Chad's use their fist and do the bonk damage

[umbral girder]

Especially since BPS resistance and immunity is nearly on the floor now

[halcyon bison]

Necrotic is has ties to necromancy which is cool :D

[naive cedar]

necrotic also has amazing aura

[gray garden]

for example your more likely to fight a zombie which is immune to poison over something like Adult Solar Dragon

[gray garden]

magical BPS got thrown out the window which made me kinda sad but also kinda happy

[naive cedar]

yeah thats what i meant about poison and monsters immune to it. realistically speaking you're more likely to be fighting fiends and undead over a wyvern or something

[empty thicket]

BPS?

[grand pivot]

I am trying to do something a bit strange. Looking to make a server with like 2 other dms and a few players. (not a lot. like 3-4)
Where we are each dming a game and playing together 2-3 times a week with the same poeple.
Bit confused on where to post this as lfp and lfd dont make sense as I am looking for both and lfc is for large groups

[umbral girder]

Bludgeoning Piercing and Slashing

The weapon damage types.

[empty thicket]

oh that, okey okey, thought it was something else

[grand pivot]

bludgeoning piercing slashing or the physical/non magic/non elemental type

[gray garden]

its oddly rare for creatures to be immune to bludgeoning slashing and piercing

[empty thicket]

But its okey tho, letting magic weapons be useful against any enemy honestly, is a kindness to the martials and a balance i like

[gray garden]

theres only 1 monster thats fully immune to all 3

[grand pivot]

were creatures no? atleast the non magical bps

[naive cedar]

yeah i actually love the different monsters having different magical immunities stuff. maybe its because im a pokemon kid but it adds balance

[gray garden]

theres only 1 monster thats immune to both magical and non magical BPS

[grand pivot]

ah yeah

[empty thicket]

i find it good and define better some type of creatures, their strongs and weaks are good ways to describe them

[gray garden]

i hope kensei monk gets buffed

[empty thicket]

and again, some creatures being weak to a type of BPS damage and you can overcome it if the weapon is magic. Make the martials feel more useful beside Monk that can put Force damage in his attacks or without needing yes or yes to get an ally putting magic in your weapon

[hallow bone]

Hi! I have a question! I am currently making a monk (LvL3) . And i just saw that in dnd beyond my monks unarmed strike has a 1d6 damage. Which if i am not wrong, not correct. Since till lvl 5 the monks martial arts die is 1d4. Pls tell me if im correct or if i am just going crazy.

[gray garden]

in 2014 its a d4 but in 2024 its a d6

[hallow bone]

Thank you very much. I guess im just old.

[gray garden]

i still think kensei monk should be able to use heavy and two handed weapons

[empty thicket]

the thing is, go against the idea of monk doing it.

What is the idea of a monk? a class that get upgraded by itself without need of equipment in general.
The minimalist class

Fast, hit with his hand hard, move a lot, good hp and can overcome either projectiles, status, etc. etc.

the spiritual opposite of Figther

[gray garden]

but kensei monk is all about using weapons

[empty thicket]

but then heavy weapons would go against the idea of "light warrior"

[hallow bone]

I chose way of the 4 elements monk, simply cuz WATER WHIP!

[gray garden]

who said it has to be a "light warrior"

kensei just says weapons

[empty thicket]

the whole idea of class(?) Monk isnt like the "Agile martial"?

[meager fractal]

Rouge?

[gray garden]

i dont like rouge that much

[uncut zenith]

Mascara?

[empty thicket]

stealthy lethal martial
Fighter, jack of all trades martial
Barbarian, heavy martial

[naive cedar]

i prefer pink blush over rouge personally

In all seriousness, i think rogue gets more of a short end of the stick than even ranger

[gray garden]

ranger is still the weakest class over all

[empty thicket]

yeah and after talking about poison and rogue being able to use poison in his attacks.... welp

[gray garden]

rogue is amazing at single target damage

[naive cedar]

swashbuckler has aura though

rogue is great for opening stuff too

[gray garden]

bugbear rogue

[empty thicket]

Ranger have something special, being a hybrid.
It have the utility of some spells and the lethality of the weapon//fighting styles

[halcyon bison]

Why did they remove rapier proficiency from rogue 😔
They should have martial weapons proficency

[meager fractal]

swashbuckler rouge is so good

[gray garden]

i feel like beign a hybird is its downfall

[halcyon bison]

As is literally every rogue will use daggers because they have no other options

[naive cedar]

swashbuckler has such great vibes

[gray garden]

it tries to do too much at once and falls off

[empty thicket]

and hybrid classes are... dangerous...for a reason there is only 2 and few subclasses that let you be like that....

[gray garden]

rangers has 1 good subclass

[wanton sorrel]

? that is?

[empty thicket]

im still testing ranger, for now my hunter ranger hit hard

[gray garden]

gloom

[naive cedar]

gloomstalker

i dont think the others are bad but gloom is far and away the best subclass

[gray garden]

like base 2014 ranger was the laughing stalk of the game and still is in the new rules

[meager fractal]

WotC downplays the wilderness pillar so ranger gets the shaft because that is supposed to be where it excels. Druids would have this problem too but they get wildshape and full spellcasting to fall back on. Rangers get....hunter's mark and more hunter's mark

[gray garden]

drake warden sounds cool on paper not so cool on you know..

[empty thicket]

in the new rules the hunter mark do force damage, so... it kinda help and you dont have the foe and natural thingy

[gray garden]

mm i can do an extra 1d6 you know what else can do that HEX

its legit a worse version of hex

since it needs concentration

[vocal pecan]

As a Drake warden it has its fault but…free baby dragon

[halcyon bison]

Dragon :D

Now where's the dungeonwarden ranger

[empty thicket]

Kinda, the class that can get Hex is warlock and last time i checked warlock directly dont have access to range martial attacks.
So....but yeah, the concentration thing i support it, it shouldnt had to be like that

[vocal pecan]

The obsession with hunters mark is unfortunate

[gray garden]

ahem fey touched

[vocal pecan]

Also hex is also concentration unless am I missing something

[empty thicket]

and the worst part is upcasting it dont add you any damage... that is the worst of all

[empty thicket]

yep, it is

[gray garden]

yeah but you can also give them disadvanage all any choosen ability check

[empty thicket]

Like, if hunter mark give you advantage against that creature would be good enough or turn it into a cantrip for Hunter and make it scale with the own level of the class

[vocal pecan]

I’m just looking forward to level 7. Hoping there is a big fireball and I can just casually use my drake as cover due to its immunity

[gray garden]

unlike new ranger who just loves hunters mark for whatever reason and prevents them from using any other stronger spells

[umbral girder]

They still have it

[halcyon bison]

Hex isn't super good but it also doesn't take up 3 class features
And the one subclass that has a hex-based feature makes it pretty good

[umbral girder]

“Martial weapons with Finesse or Light property” is on their proficiency list

[halcyon bison]

Oh! Yay :D
I don't know why I thought they didn't but thank you for informing me

[umbral girder]

Not really.

[gray garden]

there cap stone ability is legit just hey hey your hunters mark now does a 1d10

[umbral girder]

The new Favored enemy is just a flat upgrade on Favored Foe
The 2 new features were on levels where Ranger had No class features.

[empty thicket]

The way i see it for fix it is, turn the Hunters mark into a cantrip and make it scale level the damamge.
1d6
lvl5 2d6
lvl 11 3d6
lvl 17 4d6

[umbral girder]

Yeah because that’s how the 2014 feature translates in the update.

[empty thicket]

and maybe dont make it concentration too but idk if that would make it too op

[vocal pecan]

We are sort of there with hunters mark getting included automatically to prepped list + have a set amount of free uses

[gray garden]

Hunter's Mark requires concentration. This prevents the ranger from using more versatile, higher-impact concentration spells (like Spike Growth or Summon Fey) without losing their primary damage boost

[umbral girder]

It was “upgraded for Favored enemy” to “upgrade to Favored Foe” and now it’s back to “upgrade Favored Enemy”

[umbral girder]

So don’t cast it. There are more than one encounters in a day after all

[timid current]

I think one of the biggest problems with ranger is making a +d6 damage boost something that feels so "needed".

[halcyon bison]

Give rangers a like 5th-7th level feature that makes it so they don't need to concentrate on hunter's mark
It doesn't fix it entirely but it makes it better

[vocal pecan]

Ranger just shouldn’t be stuck with so many concentration spells if they wanted us to focus so hard on hunters mark

[gray garden]

THIS

[umbral girder]

They have no con proficiency so it can be lost still. Plus they can still be “a spell for the encounter.”

[halcyon bison]

Or just don't base the class around hunter's mark at all

[empty thicket]

But again, upcasting it dont add nothing special lets be honest it feel awful sacrificing your conc for just 1d6 damage.....

[gray garden]

being a half caster doesnt help there case

[umbral girder]

So?

[empty thicket]

not even advantage or smt like that to make it more worth

[umbral girder]

The Hunter’s Mark uses are just “if you run out of slots” after all.

Since they don’t use slots for a few HMs a day.

[hot reef]

Rangers suffer from an identity problem
What is the idea of a “ranger”? Much of what they are based on in fantasy (Aragorn) can be represented with other classes as well

[gray garden]

i have no clue what they are trying to do with ranger ATP its just fighter with a bit of druid mixxed in

[umbral girder]

Same thing the 2014 PHB said they do

[gray garden]

and it fails at both

[vocal pecan]

And just should be cool but…

[umbral girder]

It’s meant to be the “Independent adventuring” type class.
So it’s meant to be a bit of everything.

Literally says so in their introduction.

[gray garden]

yeah but in a game like dnd where its a TEAM based game thats not very good now is it

[halcyon bison]

Maybe make it the "jack of all trades" half caster in the same way rogue is that for martials and wizard is that for casters?

[umbral girder]

That’s why they get skills and mobility like a rogue, AOE and utility like a wizard, armor, health, and weapons like a Fighter, and healing and support features like a Druid

[halcyon bison]

I dunno what to do about the class identity to be honest

[hearty girder]

/looking-for-community

[meager fractal]

Should be the primal or wilderness jack of all trades like the bard is the arcane jack of all trades tbh

[umbral girder]

Change that space for a dash

[hot reef]

The “rogue scouting ahead” situation comes up pretty often, which rangers can also do (especially with PWT)

[vocal pecan]

That’s why i snagged a familiar lol

[timid current]

Barbarians can also do it!

[gray garden]

find familiar

[umbral girder]

Ranger is good at being a backup of every class pretty much.

[gray garden]

ranger is not a good back up of cleric or sorcerer

[umbral girder]

Like if a healer goes down they have a back up guy to heal them back up.
Fighter goes down so they have a guy who can jump in melee for them. Etc

Need more AOEs for bad guys, Ranger has more AOEs than Paladin and Artificer in it’s base class spells

[empty thicket]

Welp, i would see it like its the "light hybrid"

While paladin would be the heavy hybrid with his big armor, heavy attacks and other stuff.
I would call the ranger like the "light hybrid", would be the other side of the coin of Paladin.
Move fast, attack at range, is around ambush, etc. etc.

[gray garden]

i still cant see happening

[mental pilot]

Never thought about it like that before. Very interesting. 🤔

[umbral girder]

Also helps they can move around terrain a lot with Roving which is useful to have.

[empty thicket]

Thanks

[tawdry sentinel]

I do like having a climb speed.

[umbral girder]

Swim speed has helped me a ton

[halcyon bison]

Climb speed is super nice

[gray garden]

i like dhampiers spider climb

[clear vector]

speed speed

[vocal pecan]

Real talk I’m having a decent time with my Drake warden and can thank my party being relatively diverse in our roles

[mental pilot]

I feel like swim speed is always a very overlooked utility.

[vocal pecan]

Also baby dragon helps

[clear vector]

starting a star wars inspired campaign soon

[mental pilot]

Nice!

[meager fractal]

It is

[clear vector]

gonna be fire i hope, i made a lot of it myself with a friend (took so long)

[gray garden]

its one of those things that you dont really need until you do

[halcyon bison]

yesssss walk on ceilings and bite people or poke them with a reach weapon

[radiant trench]

Hi everyone, just wanted to ask if you have any thoughts on creating a character. I had the idea of ​​playing as Gabriel from ultrakill. I thought maybe you could give me some advice.

[gray garden]

legit just a paladin warfogred

[meager fractal]

I have no idea what that is sorry

[vocal pecan]

War forged Paladin?

[mental pilot]

I know how much work that takes! Congrats! Will you be player testing at all?

[mental pilot]

Solid choice. Extra tanky.

[vocal pecan]

I haven’t played it but oath or vengeance would probably fit from what I’ve seen or straight oath breaker

[radiant trench]

So what do you think about race? Like aasimire?

[empty thicket]

Gabriel from ultrakill is literally the Angel Gabriel and it use 2 swords, teleport and is tough

[clear vector]

nah, just jumping straight in😅planning on fixing up any problems we have on our first campaign and then having a full on one as our second (with more people). Learn by failure yk

[vocal pecan]

Well Gabriel appears more machine so war forged isn’t a bad option

[fossil hollow]

Gabriel is more celestial

[gray garden]

2 long swords gets some way to teleport and be a paladin

[vocal pecan]

But also could just be an aasimar “construct” for flavor

[mental pilot]

Aasimar are dope!
Played a Aasimar Oath of Vengeance pally a while back! One of my favs!

[gray garden]

yeah but like he got kicked out of heaven tho

[vocal pecan]

Oh fey touched at level four would help with the teleport part

[empty thicket]

Still celestial

[umbral girder]

Also reason I say Ranger should keep concentration on HM is because of Paladin’s smites

HM would blow it wildly out of the water since it lasts longer, applies on multiple attacks, does Force damage, and skill bonuses, and gets way more free uses without slots.

[fossil hollow]

doesnt not make him a celestial thingy

fallen angels are still. Angels

[gray garden]

i played an aasiamar oath of vengeance as well since they were a solar who was kicked out of heaven

[radiant trench]

What about range spells?

[halcyon bison]

Can't he fly?

[main maple]

So what’s everyone’s favorite class and subclass to play as?

[fossil hollow]

he can yeah

[mental pilot]

Very dope. 🤌

[severe rampart]

Lore Bard to the max

[clear vector]

well i’m still new but paladin has been by far my fav class. Hence my role

[meager fractal]

Arcane trickster rouge. Swashbuckler is up there though.

Spellcaster would have to be wildfire druid

[gray garden]

THE MOON druid

[clear vector]

Any subclasses i could try?

[umbral girder]

So far Fey Wanderer!

[empty thicket]

Still 1d6 only of damage, dont scale and finally you arent using any of the other concentrarion spells of the ranger list, that are like 60 or 70%

[gray garden]

becoming a bear and eating a guy is my favorite thing to do as queen wildheart

[umbral girder]

Works with Multiattack, lasts longer, no spell slots still. Plus their subclasses also add Damage bonuses too.

[halcyon bison]

I don't think I have a favorite, but I quite liked being a battle master

[umbral girder]

And many times the subclass damage also takes no resource too

[clear vector]

why is the dnd community lowk so happy, more than literally all others, everyone i’ve met through dnd is so nice

[radiant trench]

I am usualy main Warlock, so can you tell me more about the paladin in my case?

[gray garden]

me staring at banishing smite which does 5d10 per hit landed

[vocal pecan]

We play make believe we better be kinda happy lol

[severe rampart]

We're all NEEERDSSSS

[proper forum]

Hexblade Warlock because that was the only time I wasn't forced to be the healer

[umbral girder]

Or the subclass also has its own resource so it doesn’t eat a spell slot like Paladin’s do

[clear vector]

We play really cool make believe*

[feral fulcrum]

Nerds don't = Nice, there's plenty of jerks and weirdos out there.

[tawdry sentinel]

It's not really that bad tbh actually playing as a ranger. You run around, you multi attack a million times with dual wielding and you roll a boat load of dice.

[proper forum]

I can't speak for any other class or subclass tbh

[gray garden]

comparing paladins smites to hunters mark aint really fair

[severe rampart]

It was mostly said as a joke

[umbral girder]

Yeah smite can’t keep up. But Paladin is also the only other Half caster that’s similar to Ranger

[gray garden]

wdym smite cant keep up

[empty thicket]

Yep, the other side of the coin

[feral fulcrum]

Spells slots go BRRRRR

[severe rampart]

Smite slots*

[umbral girder]

Yeah Ranger’s HM have a ton of free uses that do not need any slots

[radiant trench]

Can you briefly about what is the Paladin? Like your opinion

[gray garden]

the smite is last for a min and does 5d10 per hit

[uncut zenith]

Smites are spells now

[empty thicket]

But yes the conc

[severe rampart]

Yes, I'm saying that paladins only ever use their spell slots for smite

[empty thicket]

So you cant use other spells there beside a few

[feral fulcrum]

Smites are used up on hit. They're not Buffs like Magic Weapon, once you wack something with a smite it ends.

[umbral girder]

Yeah it helps stop HM being drastically better than Paladin smites by a huge amount

[tawdry sentinel]

Aura goes brrrr

[clear vector]

Anyone have suggestions on paladin subclasses i can try?

Still new to dnd really

[uncut zenith]

Not true, there are plenty of people who cast other spells

[gray garden]

Banishing Smite
Source: Player's Handbook

5th-level abjuration

Casting Time: 1 bonus action
Range: Self
Components: V
Duration: Concentration, up to 1 minute???

[proper forum]

Honestly what difference does it even make

[gray garden]

wdym its used up per hit

[halcyon bison]

They're warriors who swore a divine oath, they like to smite evildoers with holy might

[gray garden]

thats just now how smites work 😭

[severe rampart]

That's a fifth level spell though

[vocal pecan]

I can see smite being outdone on paper simply due to range. Both mark and smite don’t have to worry about “wasting” a spell slot as the dmg applies to a hit as it makes contact

Smite however requires a slot each time it’s used where as mark is active during whole duration/concentration is broken

A ranger should ideally be out of range in most cases except of course when enemies have range options as well

Overall, mark costs less resources in comparison to smite

But in terms of dmg yeah I’d rather get shot with mark on me. Smite would make me a shade on the wall

[radiant trench]

Its funny cause i play Warlock most of the time, like or roleplay or guy who going to kill

[umbral girder]

Yeah Concentration is what stops HM from blowing Smite out of the water with how useful it is.

[clear vector]

How did you all start dnd

[gray garden]

school

[vocal pecan]

Also school

[radiant trench]

I still trying to find a party

[clear vector]

Same we have a dnd room open all the time that you can go play in

[gray garden]

theres a smite that does 2d6 per hit

[umbral girder]

This doesn’t include how the Ranger subclasses also apply damage bonuses too unlike a good amount of Paladin subclass

[severe rampart]

Locked in, sat down, joined this server

[proper forum]

Look at #looking-for-players

[radiant trench]

I now

[feral fulcrum]

Read the text VERY CAREFULLY. "The next time you hit a creature with a weapon attack before this spell ends."

[umbral girder]

Still needs a slot and is locked to melee

[radiant trench]

I will

[vocal pecan]

I assumed we were talking standard smite not spell smites. Those are riskier since you apply the spell before a hit

[feral fulcrum]

It's a Singular Hit that the damage adds to.

[gray garden]

ohh right

im trying to think of that one smite

[feral fulcrum]

Smites are a one and done damage deal

[halcyon bison]

Only sometimes with an extra effect, like banishing

[vocal pecan]

The trade being a bigger burst

[severe rampart]

Which is why you never use it on low level enemies, just use your rapier or longsword and get the job done

[gray garden]

one think i do enjoy about the new paladin is that they can use mounted combat feat to its fullest

[proper forum]

I don't wanna play healer ever again I wanna be our DPS player I wanna kill people and deal tons of damage and look cool while doing it

[gray garden]

clerics are good at doing both

[vocal pecan]

Oh but also HM has extra benefits that are often overlooked. Advantage on perception and survival checks in target. So on paper you can track something easier or pick up on any details about them while present

[severe rampart]

Be the DPS and the healer, hello, I'm Bard and I'm the best class ever

[gray garden]

tempest has to be my favorite cleric

[feral fulcrum]

Yeah, Battle clerics are pretty good at bopping people. There's a reason they get Spirit Weapon

[vocal pecan]

My party was supposed to use that actually track down a creature we were hunting. We killed it but it was still a good plan

[gray garden]

and for some reason cleric got BUFFED in 2024

[proper forum]

Clerics are healbots. I know because I was one. My full time job was raising my teammates when they fell.

[umbral girder]

Bard as DPS is an amusing thought.

[vocal pecan]

Clerics can never be too buffed

[gray garden]

the only thing that got nerfed was destroy undead

[vocal pecan]

People need to draw their clerics more buff

[severe rampart]

Don't knock it till you try it

[gray garden]

tempest cleric being able to do 30 flat damage at level 5

[umbral girder]

I have and it’s laughable

[vocal pecan]

It may be my time to fulfill buff cleric art

[feral fulcrum]

Just because you felt compelled to stick to the healbot lifestyle doesn't mean the class is forced to. Plenty of other people have managed combat Clerics just fine.

[severe rampart]

Really? What subclass did you pick?

[small heath]

Players: what is something that your DM accidentally exposed while talking mid session that made you do a double take?

[umbral girder]

I’ve done Swords, Lore, and Valor so far

[gray garden]

i like glamor bard

aura farming is the best feeling ever

[umbral girder]

Bonus action at will command is wildly strong. Love Glamor

[proper forum]

So maybe it was my fault for choosing life domain. Or maybe it was my team's fault for dying too much. Or the campaigns fault for being too hard. I don't know whose fault it is but it was most likely mine.

[umbral girder]

Just constant turn skips

[feral fulcrum]

I mean Life DOmain Is the Healbot Subclass of Cleric.

[gray garden]

i mean if you choose to play life cleric your teammates are always gonna expect you to save them

[umbral girder]

In fact 2024 buffed Glamor bard

[proper forum]

But my team kept dying what else was I supposed to do? I'm the whole reason they're alive.

[gray garden]

its so peak

[feral fulcrum]

Buy them potions and tell them to stop standing in Fireball Group Hugs

[umbral girder]

Since 2014 had the bonus action spell rule that restricted it

And 2024 made it “1 spell slot a turn” which the Command doesn’t use.

[gray garden]

stop healing them punish them and show them that your not always gonna heal them

[proper forum]

Speaking of which my character was the only one who made all the way though to the end all the others died and had to be replaced so that their players could keep playing y know

[vocal pecan]

My DM has a bad habit of forgetting he leaves us off at cliff hangers. We as a party got tested for demonic corruption and when it was introduced he told us we would have no way of knowing the results. One of us was claimed by a demon god not long before so we had to figure out a work around to avoid a positive. The next time we met he does his recap with a “oh yeah he passed your guys plan work” despite being told we would not know. Also apparently if it was positive, the PC would have died, which he claims we of course knew but didn’t. So the suspense of whether or not he would get caught with corruption just flattened. Love the DM but bruh

[feral fulcrum]

Sounds like bad tactics on their part, if you managed to avoid dying while they all didn't.

[gray garden]

thats either the fault of the dm or the players for being idiots

[proper forum]

This campaign ended 2 years ago by the way

[gray garden]

if you think clerics are only good for heal botting then you havent played cleric

order cleric is a close second to being my favorite

[feral fulcrum]

No, they've played Cleric, just Once, in a specific style, and then declared it to be the Only style possible. Which is factually incorrect.

[gray garden]

being able to tell your fighter to attack as a reaction with the cost of spell slot is so much fun

[proper forum]

I think that was just the whole party being stupid including me

[halcyon bison]

I've only played a cleric once. It was a trickster cleric, it was fun to bait attacks with invoke duplicity then swap places with it when they realized it was an illusion :3

[gray garden]

or hell allow your rogue to get in TWO sneak attacks

[halcyon bison]

Also it's really nice to have a thing you can cast spells from

[proper forum]

Yeah I guess I forgot that I was indeed a healbot but I was a healbot by choice and also because I had to. My team needed me.

[gray garden]

I’m literally the silliest dhampier goblin Druid you’d ever met

[proper forum]

Hey mods are you gonna cast banishment on that guy or...

[gray garden]

Probably

[naive cedar]

Me when people assume clerics have to be healbots: 😐

[feral fulcrum]

When they look at chat, yes. Just ignore the low effort troll/bot and wait for the mods to sweep them into the trash.

[naive cedar]

That’s such a low effort troll tbh try harder

[gray garden]

i made a bard cleric that worshiped the god of music

[halcyon bison]

I had to do much healing when I played cleric
It might've been because one player had a build that made them basically invulnerable so all the enemies had to be scaled up to challenge them

[proper forum]

Okay fine I admit I was wrong (and probably my team's fault for playing too aggressively)

[naive cedar]

Oh dw I’m not upset at you. It’s not your fault your group made you a healbot lol

[gray garden]

welcome to the tavern what can i get for you

[naive cedar]

Clerics do heal but they aren’t healbots

[halcyon bison]

Oh I'll just have a choclate milk please :3

[feral fulcrum]

I like my drinks exotic, and potentially lethal.

[gray garden]

i got mimic's blood

[proper forum]

The cool drink that will make me look awesome ad cool

[umbral girder]

Drow moment /jk

[gray garden]

one "Blood of My Enemy" coming up

[umbral girder]

Hmm that be an amusing NPC. Drow NPC who tries to play off being the cool edgy dude who seen the horrors of Menzobarrenzan first hand.

Only to reveal he isn’t that was his grandfather and runs at the first sign of any challenge.

[proper forum]

Is it true that Drow food is canonically disgusting?

[gray garden]

i once played a Yuan ti pureblood in a campion about assassins roaming around and to the enemy's surprise my character couldn't be taken down with any type of posion

i remember reading somewhere that thri kreens tho rare whenever they choose to eat any race they prefer elves

[umbral girder]

It’s mostly Steak and Mushrooms

[gray garden]

Thri-kreen are carnivorous insect-people who explicitly consider elves to be a delicacy.

[proper forum]

I was expecting something like giant spider eggs and lizard tail and beetle jerky

[umbral girder]

Nah they don’t eat spiders. They would get in so much trouble

[hot marlin]

They don't harm spiders in Menzoberranzan. That extends to eggs

[gray garden]

drow are like spider people

[proper forum]

I thought they ate insects

[umbral girder]

But they are elves so they have Mostly vegetarian diets

[gray garden]

dark elfs underdark elves

[proper forum]

They wrap their food in silk, stick in a fork, and suck in all the insides?

[umbral girder]

Maybe the Eberron ones? Since they live in deserts.

[north hawk]

I'm going to share some monkey paw experience.

Several years ago I regularly played with who I consider the best DM I've ever had. No one came close. But he was a jerk and would drink too much while playing and get toxic to certain players. Eventually we stopped playing with him because of a big critical mass event and of course he was drunk.

I still haven't found a DM who was as good as him and all DM's I've played with live in his shadow.

[umbral girder]

Spiders are their religious figures. They don’t hurt spiders.

[proper forum]

No I'm saying do they eat like spiders. Do they themselves do that.

[hot marlin]

Moreover, if we consider the size of spider eggs in proportion to a spider's body, we could expect a giant spider's egg to be about the size of a single grape.

[umbral girder]

No they are just elves that follow a Spider goddess

[halcyon bison]

Spiders are friends :D

[hot marlin]

A spider egg is normally about 2% of the mother's body length, so, yeah, not exactly a lot to eat there

[feral fulcrum]

Lolth would disagree

[wanton quartz]

Hi. I'm new here. Where do I go to actually play a campaign? I already have a character made

[umbral girder]

Lolth’s punishment is to turn a Drow into a half spider person after all

[north hawk]

Since then I've been very against drugs or alcohol while I play DND.

[proper forum]

Go to #looking-for-players

[wanton quartz]

K tyyy

[feral fulcrum]

#find-a-game And you're best served waiting to find a game/group before making a charecter.

[hot marlin]

I'm still mad that it's a punishment and not a reward honestly

[umbral girder]

I guess that’s what Arachnomancers are for

[naive cedar]

I thought their food was canonically good but often poisoned

I could be wrong though

[severe rampart]

The best how?

[hot marlin]

Oh yeah, lots of poisons in Drow territory. You're better off drinking large amounts of antipoisons every day.

[naive cedar]

Yeah they drink small amounts of poison to build up their immunity

[hot marlin]

Though at this point, I'd expect a good part of hte population to be immune through mithridatism

[severe rampart]

Nice to hear about that while my party is staying the underdark

[valid geyser]

i always imagined its a pretty painful process

[umbral girder]

Morning routine is anti venom like your daily meds

[umbral girder]

It is based on the Drizzt novels where someone becomes a Drider

[hot marlin]

As grandma Incubus used to say "Everything good in the universe involves pain inflicted or received. Often both"

[umbral girder]

His poor older brother.

[feral fulcrum]

It's the Underdark, assume everything kills you. Because it probably will.

[umbral girder]

Deep Gnomes and Myconids seem chill

[severe rampart]

no need we're being "escorted" by a level 12 minotaur, I'd hope we wouldn't die, because he's our boss and we have to kill Baphomet the demon lord

[feral fulcrum]

Until a Myconid starts growing in your lungs.

[hot marlin]

... You have to kill Baphomet?

Oh you guys are in danger.

[severe rampart]

Yes, I know, I'm gonna pick up Scrying to skip the whole endless maze thing

[north hawk]

He was a great story teller and kept the game immersive and moving forward. He was very good and playing different characters to their motivations. He had fantastic and memorable villains who we hated. He ran combat excellently--well paced, tactical, and difficult with interesting maps and terrain.

[severe rampart]

Ah. That sucks, I'm sorry to hear that