dnd-discussion

[lean lark]

I should've made my bbeg an elf.

He couldve been Elvish Presley

[gray garden]

gith can Live about a century but can be immortal in the Astral Plane.

[rough basalt]

Like she was 2043 when she died iirc

[worn lagoon]

yeah some kith'rak are thousands of years old

anyone taking residence in the astral plane is immortal though

[gray garden]

true

[rough basalt]

ye the astral is funky

[lean lark]

So Astral Elves then?

[gray garden]

until giant spider cause andeats them

[worn lagoon]

i had a character who was stuck there as an egg for 26483 years

perfectly unhatched

the number is not random

[gray garden]

i still think its funny that non of the mind flayers spells can be counter spelled

[rough basalt]

Ye Psionics in dnd have always been a bit of a cheat code

[gray garden]

dominate monster

[rough basalt]

Using Mind Flayers as a dm can get you jumped in some parts of the community.

[gray garden]

i love mind flayers

[lean lark]

I have a mindflayer bartender.

Separated from his hive mind because he has a passion for cooking

[undone rain]

I like mind flayers but they fit in more in sci fi

[gray garden]

mind blast has to be one of the most oppressive ability's in dnd

[rough basalt]

Yeah Mind Blast and Dominate Monster are two things some people in the community will strangle you for using on players, it's funny

[gray garden]

cause 1 its an int save only 3classes getting those are wizard druid and artifcer and i doubt druid would have the int to pass it all the time

[worn lagoon]

I love mindflayers

[undone rain]

Speaking of the mindflayers, ive heard that when the host is a gnome they turn into a cute lil mind flayer

Like a mini mindflayer

[worn lagoon]

smaller humaoids are sort of unfit for ceromorphosis and produce worse offspring

they really prefer human-sized things

[gray garden]

truth and real

[undone rain]

Yeah but it can always happen lol

[worn lagoon]

yuh

[gray garden]

my favorite type of monster has to be an Ulitharid

[rough basalt]

Rogues have a decent chance against Mind Blast as well

[undone rain]

There are a big variety of mindflayers. Like dragons, gnomes yadda yadda

[gray garden]

warlocks get wis and chr i thought

[rough basalt]

Yeah I forgot

Wis protects against dominate monster so there's that at least

[undone rain]

The tadpole can even evolve if it dosent have a host and just keeps growing but is seen as wrong in their culture

[gray garden]

targets the barbarian

[rough basalt]

Always

Tho it's funny if they're a Berserker

[gray garden]

my favorite monster from volo's guide has to be the Alhoon

[rough basalt]

Alhoons are fun

[gray garden]

feeble minds your wizards

[hot marlin]

The wizard is the most likely person to succeed on the save though

[burnt valley]

you use it on sorcerers and set the DC to 20 so they are guaranteed to fail

[hot gate]

I avoid inflating the DCs like this, because that'll just end up cheapening every encounter.

[lethal tulip]

Hi there, I'm Arsalan. I was gifted a D&D starter set (Stormwreck Isle) last year, and I was thinking to play with my friends. I'll need to be the DM because none of us (me included) have never played D&D. I was hoping some of you might be able to point me into the right direction towards how should I prepare. Even some tips and advices would help.

[hot gate]

The DM basics in the free rules offer excellent advice:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/the-basics

And the Running the Game series by Matt Colville on youtube offers great broader DMing advive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-YZvLUXcR8&list=PLlUk42GiU2guNzWBzxn7hs8MaV7ELLCP_

[lethal tulip]

Thanks!

[tiny shore]

Goodmorning people

[gray garden]

Bad morning 🔥🔥🔥

[wheat glade]

can someone help me rq..?

i need help with a thing i didnt understand while making the sheet

[umbral girder]

And that is?

[wheat glade]

im making a character for my gf and she's a bard/half - elf /college of eloquence

what spells does she have and what bonuses on which stats

[wheat glade]

i mean the dots before the stats

[umbral girder]

Well you choose the stats.
Spells are her choice based on her level.

[wheat glade]

shes level 3 and told me to choose

[umbral girder]

To my knowledge Bard subclasses don’t do much in terms of free spells besides one or two

[worldly rain]

Its a clock counting down to midnight where the server feels new york big and new york lost in construction that stopped.

[stuck shuttle]

The stats are generated by one of the 3 official methods which typically the DM chooses which method the players use

[worldly rain]

The moon is tidally locked.

Calculate games based on predictions of higher or lower based on precognitoon with a d100.

[umbral girder]

2 Cantrip and 6 spells of level 1 or 2

[stuck shuttle]

Have you read the Bard class page yet?

[umbral girder]

As for stats the big 2 for Bard is Charisma and Dexterity with Constitution in third.

[glass granite]

?tag new bard

[cosmic roost]

Bard

Perform spells that inspire and heal allies or beguile foes
Invoking magic through music, dance, and verse, Bards are expert at inspiring others, soothing hurts, disheartening foes, and creating illusions. Bards believe the multiverse was spoken into existence and that remnants of its Words of Creation still resound and glimmer on every plane of existence. Bardic magic attempts to harness those words, which transcend any language.

-# Suggested Standard Array assignment
Str. 8 Dex. 14 Con. 12 Int. 13 Wis. 10 Cha. 15

Likes: Performing
Complexity: High
Starting HP: 8 + Con. modifier

[umbral girder]

Yep that helps

[glass granite]

I’d swap con and int there

[timber turtle]

Why rogues don't have poison abilities?

[glass granite]

They do

[umbral girder]

2024 Rogue does

But mainly because Poison is an item than an ability

[stuck shuttle]

Rogues also cover a wide variety of archetypes, they're not super locked down into poison

[umbral girder]

You are thinking more of an Assassin

Thieves, Swashbucklers, Tricksters, and the like are examples of Rogues who usually aren’t associated with poison

[stuck shuttle]

What does this have to do with D&D?

[umbral girder]

No clue

[severe rampart]

Exactly

[umbral girder]

Don’t see how that’s part of DnD.

[gray garden]

Atom bomb

[severe rampart]

Me neither

[worldly rain]

Its because we could be in a atom colider that sees us vanish from the first atom that proved we missed too much.

[stuck shuttle]

I suggest taking it to #non-dnd-topics

[severe rampart]

But it sounds like an excuse a player would make for casting fireball in a claustrophobic room

[worldly rain]

Yes.

Where the bomb would be lightspeed gravity.

[gray garden]

I don’t understand people who try to apply logic to magic

[umbral girder]

Yeah the DMG literally says in the first chapter “D&D is not a physic simulator”

[worldly rain]

i miss the tavern with the nerds.

[gray garden]

Xanther’s guide to everything creatures fall at 500 feet a around

[umbral girder]

In 6 seconds yes.

[glad arch]

Yes, thats a game rule not physics

[gray garden]

Exactly physics don’t apply

[worldly rain]

A distance so huge. . . . . . I might travel. . . .
To play my pirate that i will buy.

[glass granite]

I’ve never had the falling speed actually matter for my campaign yet

[gray garden]

I like throwing people off buildings

[glass granite]

Then they go splat. Falling speed doesn’t matter yet

[gray garden]

Or flying 200 feet up with them and dropping them

[wheat glade]

thank you sm

[glass granite]

I do that with my monks!

Or rather, one of my monks

[gray garden]

I do it with Druid

[hot marlin]

I've had one session where it mattered. We were on the elemental plane of air.

[glad arch]

Wouldnt you be limited to 4 level 1 spells and 2 level 2 spells? You could do less level 2 spells but not more

[glass granite]

My campaigns are usually set relatively near the ground. Only place it might show up is if they choose to jump off one of my cliffs

[hot gate]

I had one final campaign bossfight that was entirely during a fall, I think it was pretty memorable. Effectively, be done in 10 turns before impact.

[glass granite]

Ummm
What happens after they’re done?

[umbral girder]

Probably.

[glad arch]

Hope you have feather fall ig

[hot gate]

Of course they were all high level and had ways of stopping their fall eventually.

[glass granite]

I imagine that would apply in combat still no?

[hot gate]

Yup, but in combat you really don't want to waste your actions doing stuff that you could rather use on enemies.

[glass granite]

True that

[hot gate]

The fall was a secondary concern

[hot marlin]

I often play monk too and my favourite tactic has got to be trying to land on the enemies.

I take no damage, they take half the damage I would have taken if I wasn't a monk, they're prone, no save.

[eager marsh]

as written, the slow fall technically prevents the land victim from taking damage because you 'would' have taken 0

granted Monks are funny so I'd rule otherwise for a player

[hot marlin]

This is a common misconception.

The rule is "If a creature falls into the space of a second creature and neither of them is Tiny, the second creature must succeed on a DC 15 Dexterity saving throw or be impacted by the falling creature, and any damage resulting from the fall is divided evenly between them".
RAW, Slow Fall occurs after the division.

[gray garden]

I’m gonna crush that monk

I’ll show you why having a d8 front line is a bad idea

[hot marlin]

So the actual order of operation is:
Step 1: The monk falls on another creature. Determine the damage of the fall. Let's say it's 6d6.
Step 2: Roll it
Step 3: Apply it to both, dividing it evenly.
Step 4: Apply the monk's slow fall feature

So yeah. The creature takes damage RAW.

[gray garden]

immune to non magical bludgeoning

[glass granite]

Where does it say Slow Fall is after the division?

[hot marlin]

The trick is that slow fall reduces "any damage you take".

[glass granite]

“From the fall”

[hot marlin]

Therefore it is necessarily after the damage is applied.

The damage is applied first. Then it is reduced/cancelled.

You take the damage.

[gray garden]

I still think it’s funny that all the effect could be gotten rid of by being resistant or immune to said damage type

[hot marlin]

In the same way, if the monk is resistant to bludgeoning, the monk applies their resistance before reducing through slow fall

[eager marsh]

I mean I personally prefer the image of a monk sky drop kicking anyways so I prefer letting the damage hit the target. Not a high dc anyways

[glass granite]

Kabonk

Though if they’re stunned they auto fail said save.

Probably not the best use of your stun but it’s funny!

[hot marlin]

So yeah, monk takes the damage first, then reduces it. Therefore, RAW, you can weaponize your slow fall

[gray garden]

Don’t think there’s a player way to resist bludgeoning outside of rage stone skin

[glass granite]

Star Druid

[gray garden]

Seems very specific

[hot marlin]

Probably a magic item too

[eager marsh]

Oh yea I’ve dropped a target I already had stunned then dropped myself to punch them. Didn’t employ the landing on creature rule but it was still super cinematic

[hot marlin]

It is very specific yes

My other favourite monk kill, also a specific one, was what I called the "tennis arrow" kill.
I shot an arrow at an NPC monk who caught it using deflect attack then threw it back at me.
I caught it and threw it back. The damage killed him.

[gray garden]

How are you gonna get in the air anyway

[glass granite]

Flying

[gray garden]

Jumping in dnd is worthless

[gray garden]

Earth BIND

[hot marlin]

In my case, the three cases where it happened were:

• I was atop a tower, the bad guy was on the lower level
• I misty stepped 30 feet above an enemy's head
• Flight

[glass granite]

Aaracrocka, owlin, magic items, Aasimar, elemental warrior, ascendant dragon, all can fly.

[gray garden]

The humble earth bind spell

[eager marsh]

I play an ascended dragon monk and a dragonborn (2024) so flying is fairly common. It makes grappling way funnier

[hot marlin]

Grapple, fly away, drop them?

[eager marsh]

Not always. Were frequently not outside to abuse that but even just flying away with them keeps them away from my party

[glass granite]

Jokes on you, I’m playing an Aasimar shadow monk. You can’t see me.

[hollow lance]

I hate the monks cant use double bladed scimitars because of the thing that was clearly designed to stop them from using lances

[hot marlin]

In a flat plain, certainly. Any environment that includes verticality will have to consider jumping

[gray garden]

I have devils sight

Maybe cause I’m a devil

[hot marlin]

Here, another time where jumping was important to the fight: Enemies were using spider climb to crawl on the ceiling. The ceiling was high. I did have a whip but its 10 ft reach was not enough. But with a high jump, I could attack at the apex of my jump.

[eager marsh]

I do wish Monks had the Dex for jump rule that their rogues had. Step of the wind giving them x2 jump range on a class that disincentivizes strength isn’t that cool

[hot marlin]

That does not necessarily help against normal stealth, but it does nullify darkness

[hot marlin]

I have been saying that for years

[gray garden]

Blindsight/tremorsense

[eager marsh]

Same. In funny news, step of the wind legally doubles the distance of a jump you make for the Jump spell or new Boots of Springing and Striding

[hot marlin]

Both normally have a limited radius but yes, they are very good against stealth!

[glass granite]

Actually what am I saying, you just wasted an action against a monk. Get stunned.

[gray garden]

It completely nullifies stealth in a certain range

[hot marlin]

New idea: Get 30 strength on a monk. Step of the wind + jump spell + boots of springing and striding. How long a jump is that?

[eager marsh]

I assume 2014 jump and boots? Because that means using 2014 monk no thanks

[gray garden]

The new stunned got gutted aka i cab still use movement while stunned

[hot marlin]

Absolutely. But its limited range means it's not necessarily a complete trump card

[eager marsh]

New boots is jump spell passively

[glass granite]

Not if you’re grappled :D
grappler featttt

[hollow lance]

to clarify I mean because dedicated weapon specifies the weapon cant be special or heavy, which is clearly to stop you from being a lance monk, but the double bladed scimitar is special and that feature isn't even anything like the lance it just gives you a bonus action attack after using it

[gray garden]

I’m immune to the grapple’s condition

[glass granite]

It’s one of the few fears I always take

[gray garden]

Since I’m a swarm of tiny fiends

[glass granite]

-# for Incubus’ sake I am restraining the dad joke urges

[gray garden]

Incubus and Succubus are the same thing in the new rules

[hot marlin]

Nugget refered to another kind of Incubus.

[hollow lance]

the band?

[gray garden]

That’s it I’m summoning the world Ender

[glass granite]

-# so many “I’m”s. Must resist.

[burnt valley]

Should teleporting bread for three days straight be allowed as a DM

[gray garden]

Yes

[glass granite]

Why nottt

[burnt valley]

Okay good to know

[eager marsh]

It’s just bread

[gray garden]

Now let’s teleport people

[hollow lance]

only if you wanna create a giant bread monster statblock

[long belfry]

They should really call the new rules 5.5e

[eager marsh]

They won’t. They didn’t do it for 4.5 either

[hollow lance]

or go down the pathfinder route and call it the remaster

[hollow lance]

they made a 4.5e? ew

[eager marsh]

It’s called a rules update and most editions had one

3.5 just happened way more immediately relative to the edition so it just became the main name it was known by

[burnt valley]

Flesh Colossus reskinned as a bread monster

[gray garden]

Where’s 6e

I hate the new rules

[eager marsh]

Wait ten years

That’s an opinion you are allowed yes.

[gray garden]

Ranger somehow got worse

[hollow lance]

I honestly hope that 6e goes down the more complicated route now that the stranger things well has died down

[eager marsh]

It genuinely did not ?

[turbid vessel]

Id love to hear the justification of ranger being worse in 2024

[eager marsh]

Gloomstalker, the power outlier was justifiably nerfed while the class base was improved

[hollow lance]

I just like the new ranger less tbh, it's not about how strong it is I just dont like the changes they made to the class thematically

[burnt valley]

6e changes:

• Nerfed Rogue sneak attack to d4s instead of a d6
• Removed weapon masteries
• Hunter's Mark doesn't exist
• Ranger has Blade Cascade from 4e now

[hollow lance]

rogue is already so weak why nerf it again

what we NEED from 6e is a nerf to casting somehow

[worn lagoon]

nerf rogue to d2's (coin flips)

reason: funny.

[gray garden]

It heavily and I mean heavily focuses on hunters mark forcing it to be concentration and a bonus action

[hollow lance]

yeah thats stupid but it's not weaker

[gray garden]

It’s cap stone is literally its hunter mark going from a d6 to a d10

[burnt valley]

why do people keep talking about hunter's mark as if its an existing spell in 5e/5.5e

[severe rampart]

Hunter's mark is good in the early game and that's it

[burnt valley]

It doesn't exist

[knotty pasture]

Tbh aren't Ranger capstone features bad in general

Its not even that good in the early game tbh, pretty situational

[hollow lance]

most capstones suck it's just theres like 3 OP ones

[eager marsh]

The hunters mark feature is strictly free compared to 2014 rules and I think one subclass requires the mark to be applied. I do agree that the class should have removed concentration on hunters mark and/or allowed re-marking to be built into the attack action personally

[worn lagoon]

so does this result in too many features being locked behind hunter's mark, making you miss out badly if you want to use spike growth or anything else with concentration

[burnt valley]

good luck, its Wizards of the Coast not Martials of the Shoreline

[gray garden]

Barbarian fighter Druid

[worn lagoon]

genuine question, i never read 2024 ranger and I won't because I don't care for rangers enough for that

[eager marsh]

How many features are actually locked behind hunters mark. Count them

[gray garden]

Exactly

[hollow lance]

like the wizard capstone is genuinely worse than the 18th level feature, it's basically an extra 3rd level spell slot when the 18th level feature is literally free silvery barbs and misty step whenevre you want

[knotty pasture]

Doesn't Barb's capstone also suck or was it more a case of having a ton of dead levels

[gray garden]

If your gonna play a ranger might as well play Druid with bow weapon mastery

[eager marsh]

Barbarian gets +4 strength and Con behind the cap

[gray garden]

Having a 24 in strength and con is pretty strong

[knotty pasture]

Oh yeah its the amount of dead levels prior then

[hollow lance]

thats 40 extra health and an extra +2 to all damage thats honestly perfect for them

[worn lagoon]

you get

• big hit die
  go home

[severe rampart]

Hunter's Mark is the poor man's sneak attack

[gray garden]

Wizards just doesn’t know what to do it ranger

[burnt valley]

Can we have martial attacks scale to levels like with caster cantrips?

[hollow lance]

even worse, it's just a bad version of hex

[knotty pasture]

They can, but its dependent on the DM's mood (magical weapons)

[worn lagoon]

fighter sort of does with number of attacks

[eager marsh]

Cantrips were made to scale to match extra attack. The problem is fighter doesn’t get their 4th attack at lv17 like when cantrips scale which always annoyed me

[burnt valley]

Also, stop grounding the martials to mere Aragorn or Conan the Barbarian, they gotta up the ceiling to anime fighter bs abilities

[eager marsh]

Lv17 being extra attack (3) would have been better

[gray garden]

Fighters do get actions surge through

[eager marsh]

Yes they do and they can still get that

[gray garden]

• Players felt the 2024 Ranger's mechanical changes, centered around a mandatory, concentration-heavy Hunter's Mark, made it less versatile and fun to play,*

[eager marsh]

I just think the fourth attack should have been the same level as cantrip scaling

[severe rampart]

My word it is just hex... except Force damage instead of Necrotic

[hollow lance]

honestly what I'd do is take away the spell casting and make them much better at hunting in their features, like making it so you can mark a creature that you have evidence of the existance for (like footprints) and you'll immediately where it is

[knotty pasture]

Hex is also a trap spell like Hunter's Mark ngl

[severe rampart]

Ranger when any other class picks up a ranged weapon:

[hollow lance]

idk it's basically 3.5 extra damage per blast of your eldritch blast and you can reapply for free

[burnt valley]

Lol martial multiclassing gets lul'd even harder by missing out on extra attacks

[glass granite]

Rangers just stereotypically use a bow, but tbh I use them more as a Dex martial

[eager marsh]

Hex is only good when you are abusing eldritch blast scaling or using great old one warlocks new feature to penalize saving throws

[knotty pasture]

Oh nah Ranger has excellent lockdown and buffs, you're looking at Ranger wrong if you're only aiming for damage

[gray garden]

Just use fighter with a bow atp

[gray garden]

Druid is right over there..

[glass granite]

Sometimes I want some spellcasting, support and expertise

[burnt valley]

There are lots of spells worth ur conc as Warlock

[knotty pasture]

And Druid with a Bow = Ranger is silly cuz you don't stack Dex on Druid

[gray garden]

And they get them at early levels due to not being a half caster

[hollow lance]

my big problem with hex is that it's a bad WARLOCK spell, it just doesn't scale well, if wizards got it then it'd be great but like warlocks are wasting a spell slot with it

[knotty pasture]

They also don't get extra attack and what have you

[gray garden]

you can and should stack dex on any class because how much dex controls

[delicate owl]

The point is Ranger gets decent weapon use and lockdown mechanics, and skill bonuses.

[severe rampart]

The Hex on my 2014 Warlock is strictly for flavor

[knotty pasture]

Druids simply don't have single target damage output at all unlike Ranger which has passable single target damage output

[burnt valley]

and for the sake of abusing Stealth

[gray garden]

Just a fancy Druid with a bow

[knotty pasture]

No more than 14 on Druid, you still want Wisdom first and foremost

[hollow lance]

personally I'd make it so instead of the active time increasing have it so that the damage die increases with hex

[worn lagoon]

hex is a lv1-3 warlock spell that you then replace

[knotty pasture]

Just use Shillelagh and beat people with a stick, that also takes up Wisdom

[gray garden]

Conjure animals summon two bears profit*

[worn lagoon]

too busy concentrating on hadar now

[burnt valley]

Lmao

[burnt valley]

Giant Owls or Raptors*

[north hawk]

Observation. I've never heard anyone talk about martials feeling underwhelming at any of the tables I've played at but I constantly see it as an Internet taking point.

[hollow lance]

I used to use big summon spells instead, like summon greater demon or danse macabre

[worn lagoon]

I like terrain spells

[gray garden]

I still think it’s crazy that a bears claw attack does as much as a great sword +4

[knotty pasture]

Because even optimization circles just accept it as it is lol, no one dwells on it

[gray garden]

Rangers will never be good

[knotty pasture]

Rather than forcing martials to work its better to brainstorm how to break Wizard and Warlock further

[hollow lance]

faire, I used to use cloud of daggers a lot too

[hidden spindle]

You're right.

They're great

[glass granite]

Rangers are straight up a better fighter for the first quarter of the game

[knotty pasture]

Gloom Stalker is an art

[burnt valley]

Rangers > Fighters tbh

[severe rampart]

but they fall off quickly

[glass granite]

And I’ll die on that hill

[hollow lance]

as a real swordfighter I'd absolutely believe that a bear's claws are stronger than a claymore and would hurt more

[glass granite]

Ok I won’t go that far

[gray garden]

Ranger fall off needs to be studied

[burnt valley]

Plant Growth is just really good

[knotty pasture]

Idk I think they still take up different niches, my last party had a Ranger Fighter Druid and at no point did I think they were making each other obsolete

[hollow lance]

ranger always stunk there is no fall off

[severe rampart]

I'm next to you on that hill but still, it falls off the moment other classes get access to higher level spells

[glass granite]

It’s not even THAT hard. Closer to around after 10

[gray garden]

More like after magic weapons are introduced

[severe rampart]

Believe me, I like Ranger, I really do, it's just... so weak

[hollow lance]

if ranger actually hunted things half decently they'd be way better

[knotty pasture]

You aren't appreciating the art of Gloom Stalker

[glass granite]

At level 10 and before? Really?

[hollow lance]

gloom stalker is great but thats a bandaid on a stab wound, the class features need fixing

[glass granite]

Compared to, say, fighter?

[hidden spindle]

They did in '14 but I guess people want damage

[severe rampart]

It dominates really early game but at the late game... just be a fighter

[gray garden]

That’s like saying I’m not appreciating the art of twilight cleric 1 subclass doesn’t make the entire class suddenly worth it

[north hawk]

I've played a high level gloom stalker and thoroughly enjoyed it, but also not measuring myself up against other characters when I play.

[knotty pasture]

I mean Gloom Stalker alone does make it worth

[hollow lance]

problem is they're not good as a half caster and not good as a martial character

[gray garden]

Moon Druid being able to become elementals was my favorite thing of all time that DND ripped away from me

[delicate owl]

Damn I guess the expertise in the checks thatd be required isnt enough lol. People are conflating 2014 ranger and tashas...

[glass granite]

They’re not that bad as a martial.
The issue with them is that they try to be everything, and dnd rewards specialisation.
Speaking for 2024

[delicate owl]

Pure 2014 ranger is dog.

[gray garden]

This*

[hidden spindle]

A good boy

[burnt valley]

any sort of spellcasting makes any class go up in power

[crimson gulch]

Nothing was taken from you unless you chose to throw away your 2014 phb

[gray garden]

A lot of dms choose not to mix 2014 and 2024

[hollow lance]

not every class needs to be a spellcaster though, also fighter with spells is honestly way worse than people pretend it is

[gray garden]

Druid got nerfed over all for good reason and I’m not any less mad about it

[burnt valley]

in my experience, martials really love doing that in terms of damage (it's all they can really do)

[gray garden]

Druid lost a lot of its utility which made me the most sad

[hollow lance]

also barbarian with spells would straight up be weaker than without

[gray garden]

They can’t really use them..

[glass granite]

Free spellcasting never hurt nobody

[gray garden]

While in rage at least

[hidden spindle]

The right Spells are badass on a Barbarian

[glass granite]

Longstrider and mirror image still work, as well as utility spells

[gray garden]

cast enlarge enters rage enlarge ends

Remember barbarians can’t cast or concentrate on spells

[hollow lance]

exactly, wasting abilities on spells would make barb worse

[hidden spindle]

You're thinking too large barbarian

Divine Favor. Armor of Agathys.

[burnt valley]

Shield, Phantasmal Force, Rope Trick, Web, Rime's Binding Ice (EK uses Wizard's spell list)

[gray garden]

Unless someone else was casting them or they aren’t con they won’t be able to do it while in rage

It says it right there man

[glass granite]

Neither of those spells are concentration iirc

[hidden spindle]

Then don't attempt to cast Spells while raging?

[gray garden]

Then why play a barbarian at that point?

[severe rampart]

What is a barbarian without their rage

[hollow lance]

more accurately why take spells at that point

[gray garden]

Literally that

[glass granite]

Cuz channeling primal energy into your body is cool, both mechanically and thematically.

[gray garden]

I.. guess?

[glass granite]

This is the better question, indeed

[hollow lance]

yeah, but you're missing out on maneuvers and other genuinely good class abilities, leave spellcasting to the spellcasters

[hidden spindle]

Cause you can Rage~

[glass granite]

And this is enough for some people. Me included.

[gray garden]

But there’s already subclasses for that such as wild tree or zealot kinda feels like your reinventing the wheel lol

[hollow lance]

play a druid if you want that AND magic

[gray garden]

Wild magic

[glass granite]

And I do! But sometimes I wanna play a martial that isn’t wild shaped.

[gray garden]

Raging bear is fun though

[glass granite]

I’m not gonna say that barbarians should focus on casting

[hollow lance]

then play a martial, no need to mix spells in

[hollow lance]

thats the only acceptable reason to have spell slots as a barb

[severe rampart]

So... a bear

[glass granite]

But having a character that can do a lil bit of both can be a fun character concept

[gray garden]

Also another thing I don’t like is that all classes get there stuff at level 3 making muticlassing a bigger investment then it has to be

[hollow lance]

a bear but resistant to all damage besides psychic

[burnt valley]

Isn't there also a UA version of Wild Soul Barbarian that lets you recover other caster's expended spell slot?

[hidden spindle]

That, was a good design

[glass granite]

Yeah 2024 reduced the convenience of multiclassing

[gray garden]

Em actually if you rage then wild shape you still keep the resistant to BPS 🤓

[glass granite]

For better or for worse.

[hollow lance]

honestly good, multiclass dips for mechanical reasons always felt weird

[gray garden]

Awful design for warlocks clerics Druids

[glass granite]

Personally I don’t mind the change

[humble cairn]

Yeah. Monoclassing is playing the classes as they are intended. Multiclassing is building your own class because the classes don't have the concept you want. I think they wanted people to really experience and play the classes as they were intended to play.

[humble cairn]

Nah, I liked it.

[hidden spindle]

And Sorcerer and Wizards.

[glass granite]

I’m neutral

[gray garden]

Your telling me that queen wild heart my Druid can’t take a few level in barbarian cause she started to lift

[severe rampart]

Hey Neutral, I'm Echo

[burnt valley]

The roleplay people loved this change

[gray garden]

Not sure who my patron is but they must be really cool to let me cast Eldritch blast this early on

[glass granite]

I’ve been told to find a new joke, carry on my legacy as I embark my journey

[glass granite]

Does it say anywhere that you don’t know who your patron is till level 3?

[lean wigeon]

i would've rather they kept multiclassing an optional rule and doubled down on emphasizing that it's optional

[severe rampart]

What is this power I've been bestowed, is Nugget my actual Patron god

[gray garden]

How do you know who your patron is till level 3

[glass granite]

Isn’t it closer to that you don’t get the subclass features till that level?

[glass granite]

Same way a 2014 warlock does, I presume

[gray garden]

I don’t really like warlocks personally

[humble cairn]

Or "I haven't earned the privilege yet" or "I am making deals with lower level underlings until I can work my way up the infernal ladder" or "I am only just touching eldritch knowledge not meant for mortals and haven't made a pact with any being yet." the possibilities are endless.

[glass granite]

I like them cuz they make good backstories

[long belfry]

I'm upset they took sorcerous origin to level 3 like man the point was that you just already have the magic

[gray garden]

Most of them don’t play the part

[hollow lance]

thats for flavour silly

[pliant sapphire]

Yo can still know your patron, but doesn't give you enought power till lvl 3

[glass granite]

Fun to write

[hidden spindle]

Innate powers you need to unlock

[gray garden]

You can write but can you play the part

[severe rampart]

I've been trying to play all of the classes at least once, so far Bard is still the best, Ranger is second, and I got Artificer, Warlock, and Rogue lined up for my next campaigns

[glass granite]

Idk, haven’t played a warlock

[humble cairn]

Patron is basically character lore and backstory stuff, it's all just flavor and thus subject to the Player/DM negotiation.

[delicate owl]

You do already have it. You just havent properly gotten control over it until then, or it didnt fully awaken until then.

[glass granite]

But the give me joy when I write stuff about them, so I like them

[severe rampart]

Primordial Snake Patron is a really cool concept so I'm taking the ball and running with it

[gray garden]

Like your patron is an active being this isn’t TED from across the stress you made a DEAL with that being

[severe rampart]

the only downside is it's 2014 Warlock...

[gray garden]

Like Wyll from bg3

[humble cairn]

Ahh yes, my Yuan Ti Fathomless Warlock whose patron is The Mother of Rivers, a gigantic Anaconda spirit.

[gray garden]

Warlock hardly got changed didn’t it?

[hidden spindle]

Hardly? No.

[severe rampart]

I went from 13 spells to 5

[gray garden]

Only difference is the pacts got changed invos

[delicate owl]

Warlock got plenry of changes

[severe rampart]

That's really the main thing

[glass granite]

Haven’t played a warlock, but if i recall there were some changes

[humble cairn]

Warlock did change. You get access to Invocations a1 level 1, including all the Pact Boons (which are now Invocations and you can get all three).

[severe rampart]

So Warlocks are so much better in 2024 than in 2014

[gray garden]

Still I don’t think a person with a 1d8 should be melee focused

[gray garden]

Hex blades

[hidden spindle]

...Monks...

[glass granite]

Monk…

[eager marsh]

D8 is fine. It’s literally 1 hp/level less

[glass granite]

Great minds think alike

[delicate owl]

Their invocaton spells dont count as using s spell slot so you can use them and then cast another spell after, pacts are all available at once, you prep all of your subclass spells, just better alla round (except for fiend, we dont talk about fiend)

[gray garden]

There like bugs hard to kill don’t do much damages

[humble cairn]

Archfey Bladelocks unleashing three attacks and then teleporting away.

[severe rampart]

Yeah, you guys Echo'ed each other's words

[glass granite]

You’ll go far, friend

[eager marsh]

I have the highest single target damage in my party as a 2024 monk right now so that’s just plain wrong

[humble cairn]

Monks definitely can do damage, moreso in 2024.

[gray garden]

I mean there damage dice starts as a d6 I think

[humble cairn]

No? Oh you changed it. yeah Martial Arts die now start at d6 instead of d4.

[gray garden]

Goes up to a d8

[glass granite]

What?

[eager marsh]

Hit dice never change by leveling

[worn lagoon]

agathys isn't con

[severe rampart]

I don't think I'll ever play a Barbarian

[gray garden]

Marital arts die

[worn lagoon]

if you could upcast it as a barb it'd be cool but alas

[glass granite]

Goes up to the d12

[humble cairn]

Hee hee "Marital" Arts.

[severe rampart]

Ah yeah, Marital Arts die, unfortunate you have to be married to get it

[gray garden]

Wow now that’s impressive

[delicate owl]

And monks get 3 flurry of blows attacks later

So, 5 attacks a turn for 1 ki point. And there is plenty of ways to buff unarmed

[gray garden]

Still 4d12 ain’t all that impress

[eager marsh]

That’s a damage die. D6 is inline with the damage dealt by dual wielding light weapons for free and then it gets better. Also they make more attacks than two weapon fighting without any feat investment

[humble cairn]

Monks being the best spouses because they are trained in the marital arts.

[glass granite]

5d12

[gray garden]

and that’s if all of your hits hit

[delicate owl]

5d12+5xdex

[severe rampart]

Where can I sign up for the Monk Monastery of Marital Arts

[lean lark]

I want to try playing every class at least once at some point

[delicate owl]

So 5d12+20-25, plus additional damage, plus subclass stuff, plus a stunnint strike? Plus.. plus.. plus..

[long belfry]

What do you do if there's a single minmaxer in your party of play it if it's fun

[humble cairn]

Monks are currently also the best grapplers in 2024.

[glass granite]

Plus grappling, shoving, running hella fast

[long belfry]

Dude is a level 3 warlock with 14 cantrips

[eager marsh]

And? That’s no different than a fighter with a Greataxe making 5 attacks with cleave. That’s literally the same damage output

[severe rampart]

Also known as MMA

[gray garden]

throws something that can’t be grappled

[hidden spindle]

You're a player?

You just do you~

[gray garden]

OUT SHINE THEM

[knotty pasture]

Minmaxers aren't inherently bad, unless they're forcing their playstyle onto others

[glass granite]

Then I punch

[hidden spindle]

This right hea!

[eager marsh]

Irrelevant? I have a grappler monk and I’m still fully effective against targets I can’t grapple

[severe rampart]

My party is the opposite of optimized, and what's worse is we have to kill Baphomet the Demon Lord

[humble cairn]

The Way of Silk and Sighs? hush that's a secret.

[eager marsh]

I finished off a purple worm just last week

[gray garden]

If a creature is immune to the grappled condition then you can’t grapple it?

[glass granite]

If I can’t grapple, punch. If I can grapple, punch and grab

[lean lark]

Not being able to beat him in a dance off

[eager marsh]

I never said I had to grapple it?

[glass granite]

Yeah, grappling is just one tool monks have

[severe rampart]

My fireball begs to differ

[gray garden]

I’m just gonna take over his body

[eager marsh]

I said I was still effective as a character and I also said before that my single target damage is better than anyone else in the party’s and that includes the figtt he et

[glass granite]

Proficiency and advantage on all saves is also pretty dang good, if not expensive

[eager marsh]

Good luck with my good wisdom saves. I also have proficiency in all saves now and a free reroll. Also possessing me to be a threat to the party is admitting I’m dangerous so checkmate

[gray garden]

Like I said hard to kill like roaches

[gray garden]

This is a con save

[eager marsh]

Being hard to kill is objectively a strength as well

[glass granite]

Ah, but this roach learnt how to beat your face in

[eager marsh]

Also proficient also gets a reroll. Still admitting I’m the biggest threat

[gray garden]

That’s why I’ll just steal your body instead

[delicate owl]

So 14 choices that all do mediocre damage, all worse than eb lol

[glass granite]

Don’t get me started on the fun divebomb strats too

[eager marsh]

Good luck

[severe rampart]

How homebrew can a DnD campaign get?

[glass granite]

Very

[gray garden]

Very

[severe rampart]

Homebrew Classes that's just ripped from the DM's favorite show

[eager marsh]

Anyways monks are really good in 2024 and they’re fun to play and great at their jobs. Fairly balanced and enjoyable martial 10/10 would recommend

[humble cairn]

Ridiculously so, but I tend to avoid those games.

I haven't played a Monk since they got the 2024 update, but I'm looking forward to it.

[severe rampart]

What class is typically the summoner/conjurer? it's sorcerers right?

[gray garden]

I like to think of creatures that can be classes in a 1v1 and I still have yet to think of one for 2024 monk

[knotty pasture]

Druid

[glass granite]

Shepherd Druid, though that’s a subclass

[gray garden]

Maybe a archdruid

[undone rain]

Alr another question. What race has the shortest lifespan

[eager marsh]

Wizards actually they have a conjuration subclass

[glass granite]

True

[humble cairn]

Not particularly? Druids, Wizards, and Warlocks all have summons based subclasses, but Sorcerer does not.

[worn lagoon]

orcs live fifty years or less, among playables

[gray garden]

Summoning in dnd is a pain unless your a Druid through

[severe rampart]

maybe a 60-meter sprint

[worn lagoon]

Oh wait, aarakocra live under 30 years

[undone rain]

Oooof

[eager marsh]

Not really? Conjure spells were changed entirely so all summoning is the Tasha series single stat block now

[hidden spindle]

They don't all have to be damage. It's just 14 options

[gray garden]

Tasha’s doesn’t help because the components had a gold cost

[worn lagoon]

mfw the aarakocra pc needs a new char sheet after a 10-year timeskip

[eager marsh]

Clone spell ez

[gray garden]

You still need to have the gold to do said summoning

[glass granite]

Thri keen are also short lived iirc

[undone rain]

They got a son or smth

[severe rampart]

or the party keeps on revivifying him every time he gets a heart attack

[knotty pasture]

Spores Druid with their 9 summons by level 9

[worn lagoon]

shadow magic has the funny dog ig

[gray garden]

Spores Druid is peak but I wouldn’t call that summoning

[undone rain]

He has like a cane and can barely walk

[eager marsh]

Adventuring is generally a fairly lucrative profession and the game assumes you are giving the players a certain minimal income per level. You can also make the summoning materials side quests for a character intentionally playing a summoner gimmick to incorporate their character

[knotty pasture]

But my 4 zombies, 4 eagles and a wolf

[eager marsh]

Skeletons are better. No stinky rotting. Also put them in fancy suits and when you need them to use all their bows you can say ‘rattle em boys!’

[humble cairn]

Which works more like a sentient single target spell than a summon, in ways.

[knotty pasture]

The doggo is the best

[glass granite]

Eh, don’t love skeletons. I have a bone to pick with them.

[severe rampart]

it feels weird starting a campaign at level 2, usually it's level 1 or 3 (or 7)

[gray garden]

While this may be true who is just gonna have a a gilded flower worth 300 gold pieces laying around

You have to ask a smithy or the dm where you can get that

[glass granite]

My campaigns start at level 2 actually :D

[gray garden]

2 is an interesting level

[severe rampart]

it's torture knowing you can get a subclass if it's just tilted slightly to the right

[gray garden]

lol

[glass granite]

Don’t wanna one shot the level 1’s, most classes get all their defining features at level 2, but not too complicated with subclasses for my newbie players

[worn lagoon]

lol

[gray garden]

Level 1 one shot feels just.. outta touch

[worn lagoon]

"okay, i cast fire bolt"

[severe rampart]

In a few hours I'll be starting another campaign as a Rogue... and guess what race

[eager marsh]

That’s what makes it a side quest yes

[glass granite]

Changeling!

[hidden spindle]

I'm seriously considering to have them pay gold to level up with the optional rules

[gray garden]

Doing an entire side quest for a spell seems kinda like beating down mainly cause conjure animals is right there

[glass granite]

Ope I gtg now. Night folks!

[severe rampart]

-# but they don't know that.

[glass granite]

Wait I got it right?!

[worn lagoon]

you are too sus with that profile pic, go back to sonar

[gray garden]

I am a little sad as well because a lot of the spells that were just STAT BLOCK GO got changed/nerfed into the ground

I’m gonna mess old conjure fey

[hidden spindle]

I agree with you on that

"Cowards!" Luckily there's still that Infernal Calling Spell

[severe rampart]

They don't know it's that, it's a black and white humanoid in the mirror

[gray garden]

Like dude using a cr 6 fey or any monster summoning spell was always genuinely so cool but nope now it’s 4d12 and the charmed condition

Which most things at that level will have immunity too who is this spell FOR

Hell even just the flavor of drawing a circle of blood with a creature you killed them summoning a demon to ask it questions is also cool

[jaunty nest]

@gray garden how hard is being a dm when u have never played a game of dnd

[surreal moth]

Isn't DND for everyone ?

[worn lagoon]

come on it looks like orin's brother

[gray garden]

In my personal opinion you should get in a few games before trying to dm because it can get overwhelming real quick

[marble lion]

Not everyone in terms of enjoyment

[worn lagoon]

nothing's really for everyone

[marble lion]

Like any hobby not everyone will like it

[gray garden]

I got bullied in middle school for liking it

[surreal moth]

Gotcha more of that friendly inclusivity here

[gray garden]

LOOK AT ME NOW DAVID

[surreal moth]

Place is full of racism. Wild

[marble lion]

What?

[gray garden]

in the end 2024 isn’t for me but I don’t like some of the changes

[jaunty nest]

I can't even find a campaign to join

[worn lagoon]

the drow language has some racial insults yeah

[marble lion]

If you wanna complain about racism, maybe moderation can help

[gray garden]

I prefer the gith

[surreal moth]

Nah seen in plenty in players and community not handbooks

[marble lion]

Bad people exist indeed yes and they also enjoy hobbies

I cant say i see much of that in this community at all though

[gray garden]

Honestly I’m not gonna lie looking through some of the unearthed Arcana I’m so glad that a lot of these didn’t make it out of the wood work

[gray garden]

I despise dragon born

[worn lagoon]

I hate elves

[fossil basalt]

Wish there was a way to upload a character sheet in a place and then DMs can chose people based off that, it’s so annoying trying to find dms to play w

[stuck shuttle]

There’s a lot more to choosing a player than the sheet

[fossil basalt]

Yea ik but it’s a starting point

As in if it fits their idea for their story

[hidden spindle]

I'm particularly fond of Humans & Half-Elves and Half-Orcs

[gray garden]

I like orcs

[fossil basalt]

Love drow

[hot marlin]

I never really liked the "half" ones.

[gray garden]

AYO

[rough basalt]

Just realized I don't have an idea of how to bring in the new PCs to my monday game tonight

[hot marlin]

I like orcs, I don't like half-orcs

[marble lion]

I always preferred full elves and full humans personally. Theyre cooler

[rough basalt]

I'll just deliberate with them as a group I think

[hidden spindle]

Halfsies, if it weren't conflicts, they brought in two cultures

[gray garden]

Foul blood son or half blood daughter

[knotty pasture]

Same fr fr, I hate Half Elves and Half Orcs to a T

Literally would ban them at the table

[marble lion]

Damn

[gray garden]

Damn

[hidden spindle]

Damn

[gray garden]

And then I asked my self what did they do to make him that mad

[marble lion]

I get optimisers can be annoying to some but this seems overblown

[severe rampart]

Agreed!

Drows are cool though, they get a pass

[knotty pasture]

Half Elves are actually towards the top with optimizing so its not an optimizing thing either

[lean wigeon]

what is this chat rn

[jaunty nest]

I honestly want to just start as a dm instead of a player I have a few good ideas

[marble lion]

Do it

[stuck shuttle]

Fantasy racism /hj

[knotty pasture]

I just don't like how Elves and Orcs get the half treatment but everyone else doesn't

[hidden spindle]

#dnd-discussion

[knotty pasture]

Either everyone gets a half something or no one does to me

[gray garden]

I mean reborn dhampiers

Hexbloods

[hidden spindle]

Tieflings and Aasimar can come from any species

[marble lion]

Tieflings aasimar genasi

[knotty pasture]

Isn't reborn more of a zombie? Good point with Dhampirs and Hexbloods I'll look into banning them too

[nova lagoon]

Morning, hope y'all are having a good day

[humble cairn]

Yes, that was definitely one thing that was uncomfortable about them.

[surreal moth]

Didn't mean fantasy races racism y'all straight doin to irl factors in here.

[gray garden]

NOOOOO

[jaunty nest]

@surreal moth should I just start as a dm instead of a player

[marble lion]

I know but i still dont see that in here like ever

[surreal moth]

Mods just warned me lol for trying to keep racism out here . Yea I'm done DND

[surreal moth]

player

[gray garden]

Bros fighting imaginary mods

[marble lion]

Nobody was being racist though

[knotty pasture]

Aasimars and Tieflings get a pass... Imagine a flock of Aasimars flying around in a line, literally oversized migratory birds

[jaunty nest]

But I can't find a game to join

[severe rampart]

Holds newly revived teammate behold a zombie!

[marble lion]

Accusing a place of racism unprompted is pretty weird

[remote wadi]

Not yet /jk

[humble cairn]

Thou Shalt Not erase the fact that there are definitely uncomfortable undertones to many fantasy species lore.

[gray garden]

I prefer calling them my “homunculus“

[knotty pasture]

As a Dwarf PC I am weecist towards Gobbo kind, sorry not sorry

It flows in the blood (literally)

[gray garden]

Hey I main goblins

[stuck shuttle]

Plenty of people have started their journey as DMs. It’s harder but it also can be a lot more fun

[remote wadi]

And sometimes it just happens in a broader sense. You should have seen how I got banned from a server I enjoyed for pointing out a mega cursed meme

[severe rampart]

I keep a homunculus under my bed to protect me from the tooth fairy(Archfey wanting to steal my bones)

[loud tendon]

Finding a game can take a lot of time due to the high number of players and the smaller number of dms.. add in timezones and it takes a bit.

Have patience. 🙂 the wait and search is worth it for a solid group.

[bright turtle]

Any tips for new dms?

[hidden spindle]

Finding a good group is even harder

[surreal moth]

But would you let anyone play as those characters or only people of certain ethical backgrounds play them. Cause that's my point is there are and have been a lot of racial things in the players search and community that or not allowing equality into gamea

[severe rampart]

You don't need to know everything

[bright turtle]

I don’t know anything

[severe rampart]

Make a call, check it out later

[remote wadi]

_>

[surreal moth]

But you right keep deflecting and we can all ignore it

[bright turtle]

😭😭but that is helpful thank u

[severe rampart]

Good friends are not always Good DnD Friends

[gray garden]

I’m gonna say this now pretty much

[stuck shuttle]

I have never heard of any table restricting what species you can play based off your IRL ethnicity. That sounds like a unique experience

[hidden spindle]

Read the free basic rules '14 or '24

[bright turtle]

Thank u thank u

[knotty pasture]

Yeah the ethnicity part is v weird for sure

[severe rampart]

Restricting them from playing a species in a... fantasy game?

[humble cairn]

Anyone can play any species in D&D. Any species in D&D can have any personality, there is no species inherent personality. Which furthermore means that no species has to somehow dislike people of any other species by default.

[knotty pasture]

Scots aren't forced to play Dwarves, that'd be boring

[bright turtle]

I’m excited to try dming, even playing the game at all ^_^

[humble cairn]

I don't see how? What are you talking about?

[severe rampart]

No one said that

[remote wadi]

No, being an irl species. Which, potentially hot take, but making a campaign that only allows a certain type of person is terrible 99% of the time

[surreal moth]

Yea that's what I thought too but last few weeks here say otherwise

[hidden spindle]

The best part of being a DM: You play everything other than player characters

[stuck shuttle]

Could you link to what you’re talking about?

[humble cairn]

But how? Have people been telling you that you can't play a species in D&D because of your IRL self?

[severe rampart]

Yeah, that's pretty much the opposite of DnD

[marble lion]

Can you just actually say what your issue is?

[remote wadi]

Well, it's possible. I'm part Irish, but you can see the terrible irony in that

[marble lion]

Or better yet, contact moderators

[idle oar]

Hey folks let's get back on topic - please mind the server rules

[knotty pasture]

My Dwarf Barb has a French accent

Let's go Barbs

[marble lion]

#moderator-support use this channel

[severe rampart]

Does he perhaps wield a blade of bread

[remote wadi]

Barbs are a bit of an underrated class. But hey, the same could be said for most martials for how much they get shafted mid and late game

[knotty pasture]

No but the Barb does use a Halberd for a while, in a pinch I guess it can be used to surrender...

[loud tendon]

If someone is making racist remarks or otherwise breaking our server rules you can ask to speak with a moderator in #moderator-support or right click on the offending post and select "alert mods".

Otherwise, at this moment, it seems like you are in an argument with someone else not present in the chat.
People are not being racist nor making segregation here right now

[humble cairn]

Maybe we don't make fun of a country and culture, I know for sure there are French players on this server.

[worn lagoon]

What an interesting thing to witness

[knotty pasture]

But my Barb knows no fear as they have showcased, the Halberd is for stabbing people epicly

[loud tendon]

Though as a note to all in chat atm, racism, including "fantasy racism" is not funny and is not tolerated.
We dont care if its "what your character would do".

Thank you ❤️

[surreal moth]

Thanks I'll go to the support. With all future cases

[remote wadi]

For my barb, I wanted to go with some outside inspiration

Story wise, a game series I enjoy on the side

Combat wise, i partially wanted to go full barb to get persistent rage at lvl 11

[knotty pasture]

Go for it

[remote wadi]

Because the inspiration source is the guy being an unkillable menace who wipes the floor with people unlucky enough to try and attack him

If you know the Lance wielding maniac in question, you'll understand

[humble cairn]

Zealot Barbs are known for unkillability.

[remote wadi]

Zealots can be, but I made the small decision to go with PotG. Not exactly what the source material is, but probably better and fun that way

Guy's about to have a range built like an AOE spell

[knotty pasture]

Remember to not rely too much on elemental cleaver, its perfectly fine to melee someone up close if you're getting disadvantage from being too close

[remote wadi]

Elemental cleaver?

Oh, you mean the Lance. For clarity, source material uses a Lance (look up "Dimitri Three Houses". My PC uses a pike)

[knotty pasture]

The ability on level 6 where you can start throwing stuff epicly is called Elemental Cleaver officially

[hidden spindle]

Oh yeah. Dimitri is cool

[remote wadi]

It was a bit hard to find a way to tie them into the current story, but I did make a good plan

TLDR: using the fiasco of the current party and my newly deceased PC to have the new PC basically go
"Guard count do be pretty slim tho. Would be a shame if there was a prison break" (wrongfully convicted by other crazy guy)

Not the most elaborate thing in the world, but surprisingly plausible given the circumstances

Starting equipment could be easily explained by "Guard confiscated most of belongings off of dead PC's body, and he decided to drop in and take it back for himself. What better way to indirectly thank someone doing an impromptu guard diversion by killing off guards and other enemies with the same type of weapon that did them in?"

[plucky flame]

y'all I am thinking of making a centaur paladin oath of watchers but he wears a blindfold as a part of his oath, how can I make this work?

or do yall think its a bit too vanilla?

[hidden spindle]

Blind Fighting Style

[plucky flame]

could his divine sense be a substitute to his lack of sight?

reason why I wanna do this is that I think all my character are always "too perfect", I mean they never have a disease or something holding them back

I would like to throw in some kind of restriction for my character

making him a centaur already makes like tough for him around ladders and ropes and stuff

what do yall think?

[humble cairn]

With great difficulty if you mean to make them actually have the Blinded condition. You could have it as just flavor and mechanically retain sight, but honestly I think you should go a different way.

[loud tendon]

I would say no because divine sense only picks up celestials, fiends or undead and only within 60 ft.
You'll encounter a lot of creature types that are not one of those three, probably the majority of what you will face won't be in those 3 groups.
So attacking without sight you would be at disadvantage.

Blindfighting style is likely your only option for that concept to work. And then its only within 10ft.

Any spells that require you to see a target also wouldn't work.

[pliant sapphire]

blind mechanic is a pain for a character. I would only do that if you choose Blind fighting style

[humble cairn]

I suggest making a different kind of Flaw and working with your DM to make it interesting, giving your character a legitimate disability is problematic in a few ways.

[humble cairn]

And even then it's still a pain.

[plucky flame]

perhaps I could make him a beast master ranger, and he could see through his wild companion's sight? I am sorry I am not well versed in ranger rules

[humble cairn]

Limiting the range on your spells to 10ft? No, thank you.

[hidden spindle]

All you need is Divine Smite~

[plucky flame]

that is true, I will have to really think out this char because its for a long term campaign

[humble cairn]

Only with a specific spell and only with Concentration.

[plucky flame]

what other 'restrictions' can you guys think of?

[humble cairn]

I mean your Paladin Oath can be something like this.

[plucky flame]

perhaps the centaur has a tremor in his hands since he was a child, and has dis on ranged weapons?

[humble cairn]

You don't have to mechanically limit your character to make the interesting.

[plucky flame]

that is true

[humble cairn]

No, don't homebrew stuff in.

[hidden spindle]

You could start with an Ersatz Eye if you're starting at a higher level. Two even.

[plucky flame]

yeah, or if I did i think it should be at the dm's discretion

[knotty pasture]

Blind is seriously annoying and by the third fight part of you will have wished to not indulge in the idea in the first place

Perma disadvantage sucks

[humble cairn]

Make a character like regular, make them interesting without having to homebrew mechanics.

[hidden spindle]

Sometimes you let them find out themselves

[plucky flame]

thats the problem I am facing, I can't seem to make my characters interesting without feeling the need to homebrew stuff

like the other day I showed up with a DB pally, and some ppl in the party went "Great another DB pally"

[humble cairn]

Ignore them.

[plucky flame]

yeah maybe I need to do my own thing

[humble cairn]

Every character is a different personality. That is what the character really is, not their class mechanics.

I made a human Paladin, but you can bet for darn sure everyone remembered him. He was a Glory Paladin, convinced that he was the literal Son of the Sun. His Personality? "Condescending Gym Bro" He had a Manual of Gainful Exercise that he proselytized from and his Bardic Inspiration (because of course I dipped a level fo Bard) was "Don't forget to stretch before combat."

When he got "how do you want to do this?" I said that it doesn't matter how the enemy dies, they fall away into the background as my character flexes his muscles and literally sparkles.

[plucky flame]

haha, thanks for that, I guess I will do my own thing now

[north hawk]

Personality is definitely key to creating memorable characters.

I'm not very creative honestly, but I usually take a character from a show or a stereo type and add a twist to make them unrecognizable for their personality.

Likeable bard, Tom Holland Spider Man. (Human college of lore bard)

Irritable, but charming wizard, Ian McKellen Gandalf. (Gold Dragonborn Necromancer)

It's effective.

[gray garden]

CURSE YOU

[outer vector]

Can anyone help me learn how to dm ? I’ve tried before but if became a mess so I’m. Trying again except not having a homebrew campaign

[worn lagoon]

Dragonborn paladin?

[severe rampart]

check out "a Crap Guide to DnD - DMing" by JoCat, be warned though and don't take his jokes personally

other than that, read #learn-to-play

[outer vector]

Alright thank you !

[empty thicket]

But, a dragonborn paladin is so coooool!!
A dragonborn kid that was found by some kingdom and they raised him like one more and then that kid in repay for it he became a paladin of the kingdom//king

[worn lagoon]

It's like tiefling warlock/bard and human fighter, very common.

I'm not saying it's uncool though. I have one.

[empty thicket]

If something work, why fix it?

Sometimes a classic is good to have, that is why they work

[jaunty wyvern]

If you’re struggling to create characters with core rules, trust me when I say, there has yet to be a single character I could not make with officially supported DnDBeyond material

[keen kestrel]

Gotta play a Dragonborn draconic sorcerer, but your element is different from your regular ancestry

That’s the real fun right there

[jaunty wyvern]

Even if multiclassing isn’t allowed, feats can do a world of wonder for flavor

[empty thicket]

how so?

[jaunty wyvern]

I think one of the very few times ive played I had a kobold sorcerer which was super cliche but god was he fun

[severe rampart]

It's common for a reason

[balmy glacier]

could I dm someone regarding character lore building, I could use the help 🥹

[jaunty wyvern]

Sure im always down to talk characters

[empty thicket]

yeah, i dont mind talking about character building or stuff like that

[woven flint]

Play a Tabaxi Rogue, I know it's overdone, but I gotta say

Feline agility and dashing makes me feel as zoomie as a Monk 🧐

[jaunty wyvern]

Ah but you see

Tabaxi monk

[rough basalt]

Don't think I've seen a serious tabaxi character

[empty thicket]

"Rice is common, doesnt mean isnt good with a lot of meals."
Its how i see it

[woven flint]

Tabaxi Monk is faster, yes.
But Tabaxi Rogue is also, still very fun

[worn lagoon]

They're usually better for flavoring than multiclassing tbh

[woven flint]

Should've met my Elements Monk

[severe rampart]

Whoever said that is an idiot, rice is the best side dish

[rough basalt]

I've only seen stuff like poops in litterboxes and stuff

[jaunty wyvern]

I LOVE RICE

[woven flint]

Most of my Tabaxi are characters that take things seriously lmao

[severe rampart]

If a party member of mine did that(and described it thoroughly), I think I'd leave the campaign

[jaunty wyvern]

Yea the serious cat person who will survive at any cost seems to be every tabaxi I’ve ever seen

[worn lagoon]

I do roll my eyes a little bit first time I see a common race/class admittedly

[humble cairn]

I don't prefer to private message people I don't know, but you can ask over in #character-discussion

[worn lagoon]

That is not to say I'm not instantly falling in love with every db paladin ever

[severe rampart]

What about me

[severe rampart]

You must love the 100% Draconic party then

[rough basalt]

My desire for power leads me to humans a lot

[jaunty wyvern]

My main is an aasimar

[woven flint]

The most silly one is my Tabaxi Thief Rogue, Lockpick, but he doesn't like ... act like a cat, he just wisecracks, tis how he copes with the situation he's in

Nonmagic user who stowed away on the MOSTLY magical parties ship because giants were ravaging his homeland and he watches these extreme feat of magical prowess and just.. kinda looks down at his crossbow lol

[jaunty wyvern]

Give the boy a wand

[rough basalt]

I think one of the people I brought into Monday ain't showing up, but we'll still have 4 it looks like thankfully

[woven flint]

I see 🧐

[rough basalt]

I'll face my greatest challenge yet

Having a full competent party

[severe rampart]

in about ~6 hours is my first session in ~2 weeks so I'm excited

[humble cairn]

I wonder what kind of campaign would be suitable for a straight up Kitsune/Huli Jing character.

[severe rampart]

playing a "human" rogue

[woven flint]

Admittedly, Vakbo and I were putting in the most work back then lmao
Hopefully these new friends can keep up!
Also, hope you're ready for a rather depressed Orizontas ever since his horse died

[viral verge]

Full AND competent? That might be asking a lot 😅

[rough basalt]

I think one guy said he likes filling so he'll probably be a cleric or skill monkey

[severe rampart]

Full maybe, competent?...

[rough basalt]

Tokii and the other og are

The new guys maybe not but honestly anything is better than prior

[viral verge]

I think the best parties are the less competent ones

[severe rampart]

I sense tea

[worn lagoon]

No 💔

[rough basalt]

They kept making intentionally incompetent PCs that were just burdens on the party

[severe rampart]

"Honey are you okay? you barely had your 3 Dragonborns, Kobold, Shapeshifted Kobold and Polymorphed Dragon party"

[woven flint]

I think Sora means players that don't dump their main stat because they find it funny

Because that's exactly what one did 😭

[worn lagoon]

Two of them don't even do anything but flirt with each other 😭

[lean lark]

I'm playing a wizard that is incredibly stupid (not stat wise, just in character) but yet has stuff just keep going right for them because theyre a divination wizard

[viral verge]

Yeah. Characters to intentionally bomb the party is bad. That’s a talking to

[rough basalt]

His first PC that got donjon'd by the Deck of Many Things dumped con and int as a Wizard too

[severe rampart]

Check out the art channel, Karagon finished Gan's fanart

[worn lagoon]

Meh

[rough basalt]

The int I may be misremembering but con was 100% dumped

[woven flint]

Yeah...
I'm kinda glad we're getting some folks that don't do that 😭

[worn lagoon]

Dumped con is crazy, bro is gonna have 5 hp

[severe rampart]

I'm quite frankly seeing Gan in a different light

[jaunty wyvern]

I wanna find a table where I can play the meta. One level in each class

[viral verge]

Wait. Is that not just D&D? I thought flirting was a part of it

[rough basalt]

In a previous game he had 9 max hp at level 4

Cause it was rolled hp, he dumped con as a wizard

[worn lagoon]

I am putting it extremely lightly. The details are not fit for a public server

[viral verge]

He’d love Shadowdark

[rough basalt]

And he rolled 3 2 and 2 for his level up hp

[viral verge]

Oh ew. No. Yeah. Skeezy

[lean lark]

He has less hitpoints than a noble NPC

[rough basalt]

Which came down to 2, 1, 1 because of negative mod

[rough basalt]

Funny enough I just ordered the corebook

[worn lagoon]

Yall roll for health levelups?

[rough basalt]

That game I decided to

My current one is average

[viral verge]

Nice! I went digital, but it’s a nice game

[rough basalt]

I like how easy it is to learn and play

[jaunty nest]

Is there like a list of stuff that a beginning dm would nded

[jaunty wyvern]

Cairn is really good too i have the book collecting dust in my closet because no one plays it 😭

[rough basalt]

I saw that one on amazon

[viral verge]

I think for me, that list is the core books, character, sheets and dice. Unless you’re playing online. Then you just need books and a virtual tabletop

[rough basalt]

Depends on how you wanna play

[jaunty wyvern]

How easy is foundry to learn btw

[jaunty nest]

I'd be playing online, is there a way to get the books for free

[rough basalt]

I'd say moderate at first

It has a high ceiling for what you can do

[viral verge]

Unfortunately not. But I do believe the SRD is a free thing. Which is the most basic rules. At least to see if you enjoy it

[rough basalt]

The initial curve can be rough but after that you just can learn as you go pretty easily

There's a lot of YT tutorials for it too

[jaunty nest]

Is the srd the basic stuff u need to go through

[rough basalt]

SRD is pretty much the bare minimum you need to play which is why it's free

[crimson gulch]

its much better to learn how to run without it imo

[rough basalt]

It doesn't have everything in the corebooks, but it has enough

[viral verge]

Idk if I can post links. But let’s find out

https://www.dndbeyond.com/srd?srsltid=AfmBOoohqCVwnsyOpPp8blTEje2_R7reodqfbCgYZpYWQE5CS6BNOdhL

[jaunty wyvern]

Oh well i know how to run without it, I just wanted to know if it was worth it

[rough basalt]

I think it is

But I also like having a lot of tools to play with to help me run my games better

With the mental issues I have, it let's me offload a lot of what I would have trouble with.

[viral verge]

ADHD DMs rise up

[jaunty wyvern]

Ive only ever used powerpoint and ddb maps for as long as I’ve been dming lmao

I was thinking about getting a full fledged vtt and i hear alot about foundry

[rough basalt]

It depends on what you want

If you want just something to throw a map on, I'd keep to Owlbear or Ddb

[crimson gulch]

owlbear rodio and paper is how i run, so much less messing about and i can run my online games just like my in person games

[rough basalt]

If you wanna make your games come to life physically, you want Foundry or Talespire

[lean lark]

Foundry is one of the more difficult VTTs to learn but it also is seen as one of the best

[viral verge]

I’d recommend trying out roll20 first. See if you even like the vtt

[rough basalt]

If you are good at using Microsoft Excel, there's Fantasy Grounds

[viral verge]

Foundry can do a lot from what I’ve seen. Really cool stuff. But then you have to sort of MAKE that cool stuff. It will add to your prep time for sure

[lean lark]

The UI is also one of the least beginner friendly I've seen from VTTs, for both players and DMs

[jaunty wyvern]

Speaking of roll20 is there a way to put your licenses from dndbeyond on there without having to repurchase the books?

That was my main turnoff to it

[rough basalt]

Fantasy Grounds is the worst beginner friendly VTT by far

It's known as the Microsoft Excel of VTTs for a reason

[lean lark]

There isn't really a way to do that for any other VTTs

[viral verge]

Not that I’m aware of. I still use the physical books so I’m not locked into anyone’s ecosystem

[rough basalt]

If you know how to work it, you can make it do the tango

But if you can't, it's a waste of time and money

[viral verge]

They really need like a 7 day trial version so you can see if you even enjoy it

[rough basalt]

I think they made the base license free

[restive blade]

just had to roll for my stats in a campaign and my stats for fighter are

[rough basalt]

Be prepared for at least a couple months of learning tho

[jaunty wyvern]

I definitely wish younger me had known that before buying every book on dndbeyond as it came out lmao

[viral verge]

Can you edit and make maps with the base license? I thought that was the license for joining others games

[restive blade]

20 strength
17 dex
18 con
8 int
14 wis
14 cha

[rough basalt]

Nah they made the regular GM license free I think. At least someone said they did I'm not certain.

[restive blade]

peak rolls

[jaunty wyvern]

Crazy wizard build 🔥

[rough basalt]

Still it's not worth trying out unless you got a degree in coding or you're a Microsoft excel whiz

[viral verge]

My first campaign was an in-person deal so I never had a need for digital. Kind of lucked out on that one

[lean lark]

Artificer build going stupid

[restive blade]

FR

"i cast PUNCH"

[jaunty wyvern]

Yea i mostly do in person so i was just looking into it

[restive blade]

gonna be mashle 🗣️

[viral verge]

Also I’m paranoid about losing access to digital content. ESPECIALLY when I can’t download my books for backup copies

[rough basalt]

Yeah I don't get digital only on ddb if I can help it

[jaunty wyvern]

Just screenshot every page and print it lol easy

(For legal reasons, mr dragons, that is a joke)

Sup

Resisting the urge to spend money on this godforsaken hobby

[rough basalt]

In all, I love Foundry.
It let's me run games I wouldn't be able to.

Tho if I were running a lot of long term games weekly, it'd be rough

[scenic zinc]

Eh?

Many long term games are the exact reason I use foundry

[rough basalt]

Ig what I mean is I usually make my own maps and bring them to life in foundry which takes time.

Tho tbf the 2 to 4 hour prep sessions are usually 5 sessions worth of prep work done.

[scenic zinc]

Significantly less time than roll20 imo

[rough basalt]

And I do have a tendency to stretch my legs a lot

[scenic zinc]

Walls and lighting are significantly easier in foundry

[rough basalt]

Ye

I use dungeondraft so walls import nicely

But I do lighting in foundry itself due to more indepth options.

[jolly hound]

Do you guys prefer dungeons or dragons

[jaunty wyvern]

Is foundry the one i see online with like 3d modelled environments and everything

[empty thicket]

bro is a wall and smart like a rock, amazing i love it

[lean lark]

Dungeons shaped like dragons

[jaunty wyvern]

Or was that the planescape themed one thats ending service

[timber turtle]

What's the biggest controversy DND has had?

[empty thicket]

Dungeons, dragons are a hassle to treat with. Too arrogant

[restive blade]

"ME BONK, ME BONK HARD" - fighter

[jaunty wyvern]

You’d better look that up on google friend

[worn lagoon]

I think in the 80's or something there was this one hoax among parents that this game was satanic or something

[viral verge]

Oh. Thaaaat’s. There have been so many

[jolly hound]

These are all very great answers

[empty thicket]

i love it tho, i had a wizard with 18 int and 7 str and while i couldnt do anything i could know everything

[lean lark]

Don't look up the 1e rules for women

[viral verge]

I think sending Pinkertons after that guy was pretty wild

Gary wasn’t a good man

[rough basalt]

I could send you a couple screenshots from my foundry, I also have a little recording showing stuff in action.

[jaunty wyvern]

You can’t call fatal uninspired…

[rough basalt]

Iirc wasn't the "female adventurer" rules in a Dragon mag

[serene jolt]

Is the Flames of Phelegios good for a primarily fire damage dealer who ignores resistance?

Or should I find another feat that increases int?

[empty thicket]

meh, that happened to everything for a loooong time, rock, doom, etc. etc.
Doom is weird because in fact, you are killing demons

[lean lark]

That was officially accepted by DND at the time iirc

[empty thicket]

and in DnD most of the time you will be killing demons too, so, that is good isnt it?

[lean lark]

Don't forget lotr

despite tolkien being religious

[worn lagoon]

I wouldn't know. I wasn't raised in a christian-majority country.

[rough basalt]

Fiends are usually immune to fire

[keen kestrel]

Because it’d mean you’d have two conflicting dragon ancestries

[rough basalt]

So ignoring Resistance won't do anything.

[jaunty wyvern]

It was moreso that you could “conjure” demons to kill

[viral verge]

I should watch that today

[lyric viper]

Yep, poking in here again to say :
Lakofka’s infamous ‘Notes on Women & Magic - Bringing the Distaff Gamer into D&D.’ for original D&D. This article is a reference to the earlier OD&D ‘Men & Magic’ supplement in 1974.

This appeared in Dragon Magazine #3, in 1976 . This article sometimes ends up being cited as core rules in some articles on D&D, but it’s not, but did influence later mechanics. It certainly influenced some concepts however and sums up a lot about what Early D&D’s approach to this was.

It's also very bad in many ways and while it's fun to mock and deride it (as it should be) there is also a lot of content in other way that is not funny. Not at all.

[small verge]

Hi

[lean lark]

DND is satanic because it holds the darkest of evils

Math...

[lyric viper]

And no, it wasn't 'widely accepted'. It was derided even at the time.

[empty thicket]

i didnt too but i like to know things from history, that was one

[serene jolt]

If you're talking to me, I'm not on about this topic. I won't be fighting fiends super often.

[viral verge]

MATH: Not Even Once

[empty thicket]

ooohhh, i get it now, like your dragonborn element and your sorcerer dragon element, okey okey

[small verge]

Welcome to the HELLFIRE club

[rough basalt]

If you're not fighting Fiends, then anything that helps your fire damage can't go wrong imo

[worn lagoon]

Me and my party going to superhell for commiting the sin of Math.

[serene jolt]

Solid! I mean I might fight fiends here and there, it's a Westmarch. But most of what we have fought so far have been Monstrosities, beasts, spellcasters, etc.

[empty thicket]

Yep, it was for a looong time and even now in day happen with lots of games but in other contexts. Its something generational at the end of the day.
What matter now in day is, "No dm, i dont care the size of the room, im casting fireball lvl 8"

[worn lagoon]

Upcasting fireball should increase its size tbh

[serene jolt]

I have backup sources of damage if something is immune

I wish there was a feat that increases the size of your spell AOEs.

[worn lagoon]

Simply transmute it into an ice ball

Problem solved

[lyric viper]

Again, pointing out that if we're going down this topic- the 'It was acceptable at the time' is simply not true. It was contested at the time. And the worst parts of it were as unacceptable then as they are now, even if they were more wide spread then.

[rough basalt]

It's actually pretty funny, a lot of Fiends are immune or resist cold damage too

[lyric viper]

So. If we want to go down that topic, I might need to hit slow mode an we might need to be a bit more cautious and thoughtful about it, and not just drag things up for drama and laughs.

[empty thicket]

it does. isnt it?

[rough basalt]

No, it increases damage.

[empty thicket]

Oh....welp, same stuff

[blissful ibex]

can circle cast it to make it bigger but circle cast availability is subject to DM fiat

[serene jolt]

And other spell casters

Circle casting is pretty awesome tho

[worn lagoon]

I will make it a metamagic in my table tbh

[restive blade]

@Fracnco my dumb fighter somehow has a +6 in stealth even with disadvantage xd

[worn lagoon]

25% diameter increase for 2 sorcery points

[restive blade]

@ dont work

[lean lark]

circle cast is a very odd feature

[timber turtle]

What If you use a wish spell as a fighter to get ama pair of arms so you get even more attacks a turn?

[restive blade]

@empty thicket

bro going to be walking behind enemies in full chainmail and still not be heard

[severe rampart]

how do sorcery points work? do you get points for proficiency bonus? or INT?

[jaunty wyvern]

Bubble wrap the paladin and sneak for your lives

[rough basalt]

The sorc points you get are on the classes table thing

[severe rampart]

ah got it, not that I'd ever play a Sorcerer

[rough basalt]

They're a long rest resource

[worn lagoon]

You have sorcery points per long rest equal to your sorcerer level

[rough basalt]

In 2014 you get some back on a short rest at level 20 then in 2024 that's at level 5 iirc

[jaunty wyvern]

got a problem with sorcerers bub?

[worn lagoon]

In 2024 you get half of them back on a short rest

Metamagic adept gives you 2 more

[severe rampart]

it's not that, just never played as one

and it's not on my list to play either

[worn lagoon]

I'm playing one in 3 hours

[marble lion]

Sorcerer is probably my least likely class to ever choose

[severe rampart]

I'm playing a rogue in 6 hours I think

[rough basalt]

Yeah half rounded down, on a short rest once per long rest in 2024

[jaunty wyvern]

i think everyone should play a wild magic sorc at least once

[marble lion]

Its not as scholarly as wizard
And its not as cool as warlock

[lean lark]

I have never played:
-Rogue
-Warlock
-Sorcerer
-Artificer
-Barbarian
-Druid
-Bard

[marble lion]

It just kinda exists to me

[rough basalt]

I've never played Barb and Artificer.

[worn lagoon]

"Not as cool as warlock" is just cap

[severe rampart]

Play a bard

[marble lion]

Sorcerer could disappear and i wouldnt notice

[timber turtle]

Bro has never played

[jaunty wyvern]

Psion and blood hunter for me

[lean lark]

I am a forever DM