dnd-discussion

[hollow stone]

mead is when you introduce yeast to honey that will convert the sugars into alcohol until it runs out of sugar or creates so much alcohol that it sterilizes itself

[glad arch]

Magic mead would probably need some spell that speeds up time locally

[woven flint]

Or, you know... just find an Alchemy Jar and get some beer that way 🧐

[lean lark]

Also the belief that passing a pebble that fast wouldnt burn the peasents' hands and cause them to drop it in the middle

From friction

[woven flint]

My Alchemist Artificer has an Alchemy Jar he uses to reward the party with beer if he finds their Performance throughout the day acceptable 🧐

[hollow stone]

i'd as a me allow it, at least. if someone wants to psuedoscientifically invent alcohol to make a present i think that's cool

[woven flint]

I, personally, despite being a fan of science, am glad Dungeons & Dragons isn't a science simulator and am just happy to accept that things happen without prying through the how and why lol

[hollow stone]

oh also this, damage in DND is from the firing platform, not the actual velocity of the projectile. like yea the spear is travelling at 99.9% the speed of light, still 1d6 tho

[woven flint]

There's a few "scientifically studied" things like Illithids and their lifecycle, but even then, it's still some magical and mystical gobbledygook

[glad arch]

Nobody wants to do physics class in their dnd games

[lean lark]

Imagine if the players had to pull out a tape measure to get the exact dimensions of a room before casting fireball

[hollow stone]

yea i'm perfectly fine with ignoring the hard science if that would defy the intended result, but if someone's intended result is something that needs hard science to work i think we should hear them out

[woven flint]

I wouldn't say nobody, there's definitely a bunch of Sci-Fi enjoyers out there that'd love scientific D&D

[hollow stone]

if you wanna target a glass full of grapes with 2014 Chill Touch to make instant wine i think that's enough thinking and should be rewarded with the highest honor we can bestow: letting that work instead of exploding the glass and the grapes and making a mess

[jovial shadow]

Hm the UA released the Monk subclass Warrior of the Mystic Arts (somewhat similar to Dr. Strange as Master of the Mystic Arts in old times). And they cast Sorcery spells but only up to 4th level max. Not a subclass that I am a fan of, but being able to cast a cantrip or spell in lieu of one or both of your attacks seem interesting, since you keep your bonus attacks.

[woven flint]

Hmm..

Are we sure this is a recent UA?

[rough basalt]

Ye it's a new UA

It's basically Eldritch Knight Monk but with sorc spells

[hollow stone]

is WIS used for the casting stat? i mean, that is the Monk Unarmored Defense

[woven flint]

Nevermind, I see now

[lean lark]

Yes

[woven flint]

HOLD UP..
New Warlock UA, I'm locking in.

Vestige sounds cool

An actual pet subclass for Warlock???

That's strange, but I guess it makes sense

[hot gate]

dang, no need to kick Pact of the Chain like that

[severe rampart]

Tokii how many campaigns are you in now

[hot gate]

but I get what you mean, it's the same pet formula as the battlesmith and the beastmaster

[rough basalt]

I need more dnd

[woven flint]

OH...
Vestige also gives you Cleric Subclass spells 🤔
You choose the domain of the diety you get your vestige from and those are your subclass spells

That's pretty badass

[hollow stone]

wait are we getting a real medic warlock that isn't Celestial?

[devout plume]

What 2014 expanded ruleset books are must haves for bard players?

[woven flint]

As much as a Monk lover as I am, I'm nervous for another Spellcasting subclass 😭

[woven flint]

Doesn't really say anything like that, no

[glad arch]

How to close the martial caster divide, give all the martials spellcasting. Easy

[lean lark]

Xanathar's guide to everything

[woven flint]

Tashas Cauldron of Everything

Any expansion book that gives subclasses tbh

[icy glen]

those two books are like the must have expansions in general lol

[hollow stone]

it is such a shame that they never did anything like Battlemaster again

[north hawk]

Giving characters access to spells is just so boring and uninspiring. We need some new ingredients in the recipes.

[woven flint]

Holy Hell?!
They're actually making Spellslots a separate thing from the Focus pool?

[devout plume]

Which ones give optional features like additional bard spells, magical inspiration, andbardic versatility?

[glad arch]

Havent looked into battlemaster, whats so special about it?

[woven flint]

Those books we mentioned

[devout plume]

Dope

Anything i need besides those 2

[hollow stone]

it's like if martials had spells

[keen kestrel]

Not really sadly

[devout plume]

Only official and partner modules ofc

[hollow stone]

they use STR/DEX as the "casting" stat for their Maneuvers and don't just take the spells of a class that isn't fighter, but give fighter something akin to spellcasting

[woven flint]

Honestly, I think getting that would step WAY too much on Celestial Warlocks shoes. And.. well.. Celestial Warlock isn't supposed to be a Solo Healer in a party anyway, just like any SUBCLASS that gives healing capabilities lol

[rough basalt]

Also 2024 heal spells with natural upcasting can go pretty crazy

10d8 cure wounds means whoever your hitting is staying up for awhile

[woven flint]

Yeah, Celestial Warlocks are indeed stronger than they were healingwise

[hollow stone]

i'm setting up to play a GOO warlock but i have Cure Wounds through Acolyte, i'll def look at that

[woven flint]

I can say, I've been having tons of fun with the subclass personally

[icy glen]

eyyyy im playing a GOO warlock rn

[rough basalt]

I'm enjoying my rogue but there's one problem

7 days is too long to go without dnd after the session ends

[woven flint]

I'm kinda pissed that this new UA doesn't have Wild Magic Barbarian >->

[hollow stone]

i'm doing something funky where i'm multiclassing Fighter and Warlock, the campaign is supposed to go to level 8 (we're teaching my friend how to play the game) so i'm gonna do 5 GOO Warlock 3 Battlemaster Fighter

[icy glen]

My dm just cancelled our session at 1am night before. We haven’t played since like a month before christmas.

[icy glen]

Ooooo that’s cool

Okay i’m curious—does anyone actually follow the rules for material components in their games?

[rough basalt]

Yeah dnd is meant to be played dammit

[woven flint]

I was gonna bash on "Magic Stealer" Rogue for a hot second, but honestly... it's kinda neat? Lol

[icy glen]

Been listening to critical role campaign 2 and it’s making me wanna play so bad I think i’m going insane

[humble cairn]

No, it's very stupid imo. I would prefer Spellthief or Soul Siphon, or anything else, really.

[woven flint]

The name is stupid, the subclass is a neat idea

[rough basalt]

Yeah it sucks that playing dnd is a fools errand

[hollow stone]

the game i'm in does but honestly it's really easy to bypass, just buy a Component Pouch or play something with an Arcane Focus or have TCE and take Eldritch Adept to have 1 Invocation and take one of the Pacts that gives you an Arcane Focus for free, either through the Tome or the Blade

[woven flint]

Just like Intoxication Monk

[rough basalt]

Yeah the new team doesn't know how to name stuff

[icy glen]

Hoping I can find a good group in college

[rough basalt]

I'm losing my mind from this one game a week nonsense.

[hollow stone]

would Magic Bandit have been cool?

[humble cairn]

Ehhhh how about Mystic Brigand?

[icy glen]

one game a week sounds great considering our session length but I don’t even get that

[hollow stone]

saaame i have 2 groups and i need more

[rough basalt]

I just don't have anything to do

[vagrant quartz]

arcane hooligan

[rough basalt]

Especially rn cause my eye is messed up

[icy glen]

Dnd pls, make intimidation rolls be an optional choice between charisma and strength modifier and my life is yours

[rough basalt]

That's already a dm thing in 2014 and core thing for barbarians in 2024

[woven flint]

I prefer "Individual that uses your magic against you" Rogue

[hollow stone]

ykw, let's confuse people with two AT rogues and one of them is Arcane Taker

[icy glen]

I think it should be a thing in general

not just w barbarians

[rough basalt]

An ask the dm sort of situation

[humble cairn]

Oh ... OH! Witch Hunter!

[icy glen]

I think it’s funny because high charisma builds are often the LEAST intimidating

[hollow stone]

wait that's genius actually

[icy glen]

well i’m playing a warlock with a +7 to intimidation so it doesn’t hurt me LOL

[vagrant quartz]

counterspell scallywag

[woven flint]

Witch Hunter Rogue doesn't work imo, as not all casters are Witches and it doesn't GIVE hunter vibes

What about Spell Sniper Rogue? /joking

Magic Undertaker?

[humble cairn]

"Witch" can be applied to any caster if you're being discriminatory enough. And the hunter vibes are easily added with some wording changes.

[vagrant quartz]

wizard... [derogatory] but female ?

[woven flint]

Ehhh, I'd assume WOTC Nowadays would want to avoid discrimination entirely lol
Even towards casters

[humble cairn]

Wait why are we talking about this in general rather than https://discord.com/channels/516367331358801950/1461424255437770784

[woven flint]

Witch isn't a female only term, actually.

[rough basalt]

Yeah naming might be trying to keep it as safe as possible to its detriment

[vagrant quartz]

true

[woven flint]

Witch was used for BOTH genders

[hollow stone]

if you go back countless centuries it's actually NB friendly :D

[humble cairn]

No, just basically caster "but I deem you evil."

[lavish flame]

still wizard

[icy glen]

the consequences of harry potter on our society

[rough basalt]

Older than HP

[vagrant quartz]

i see

[woven flint]

But not all those who are considered Witches in even mythology ARE Evil.

[lavish flame]

with the way wizards can act? wizard is already a derogatory term

[humble cairn]

No, but in general it was used that way.

[icy glen]

Im talking about the perception of “witch” referring to women specifically

[jovial shadow]

Good question. Everyone probably should to keep the game balanced.

[woven flint]

It's common misconception that Witches are only women because the Witches we're typically presented in media NOW are women.

[humble cairn]

But it's also true that that word was weaponized against women in particular in the past.

[icy glen]

I feel like wizards are the only ones who be using them 😭

[vagrant quartz]

well i was thinking.... I WANNA BE A WITCH sailor moon trasformation

okey so

[jovial shadow]

Salem Witch Trials in the 1600's would beg to differ

[woven flint]

You're kidding, right?

[vagrant quartz]

giles corey my beloved

[icy glen]

men were definitely also accused of witchcraft

[noble spire]

was he actually named giles corey or was that just in the crucible

[icy glen]

in salem

[humble cairn]

I mean it is a historical example where it was a word largely used to demonize women.

[vagrant quartz]

i can't rember rn

[humble cairn]

Yes, true, but let's not pretend there was parity.

[vagrant quartz]

we should probably go back to dnd topic

[icy glen]

Cant argue w that

[noble spire]

do you guys feel death house is a good intro for someone who never dmed to do a one shot?

[woven flint]

Anyways, Nah, I think Msgic Stealer should've had a different name

[woven flint]

Curse of Strahd in general is not really the best idea 😭

[keen kestrel]

Spellthief is right there

[noble spire]

ah i see lol

[vagrant quartz]

rogue x man

[noble spire]

i was just searching up free one-shots but i might have to open up to paying

[vagrant quartz]

my favorite campaign by a longshot

[keen kestrel]

Death house isn’t too bad as a one shot though

[woven flint]

Thief Rogue is also right there, so that'd be a naming issue

[vagrant quartz]

i love curse of silly

[woven flint]

I'm not saying COS is bad, I'm not suggesting a new dm run it as it's not the general D&D vibes if you want natural D&D vibes

[hollow stone]

Magic Taker would be slightly funnier

[vagrant quartz]

Magic yoinker

[rough basalt]

I wanna run CoS

[humble cairn]

I agree and loudly over in https://discord.com/channels/516367331358801950/1461424255437770784 where this talk should be?

[rough basalt]

I wanna witness a PC death in death house for the first time.

[woven flint]

Lmao, true, I'll be there, don't be square >:p

[icy glen]

Our dm killed a character in session two (not exactly—they’re fae so they went back to the faewild) and now he has to deal with that player’s paladin temp character

[hollow stone]

just call it The Yoinker and don't give additional context lmao

[keen kestrel]

I mean, it’s dnd related, and this IS dnd discussion

But technicalities

[humble cairn]

But things related to the UA very much go in their specific channels. It's the whole reason they make those channels.

[noble spire]

have you heard of winter's wrath? i am researching it right now and was considering it

[icy glen]

I do blame him why are 4 level 2 characters fighting an Oni 🫩

[umbral girder]

This channel is for convos that don’t have a dedicated channel.

Specific beats General basically

[keen kestrel]

True, but for naming conventions it seems fine

[icy glen]

this channel just got mad awkward bro

[hollow stone]

sorry i was blocking an account of someone who got hacked

[idle oar]

Not really a D&D dicussion topic 😉

[wanton sorrel]

So... which is the hardest adventure you guys went to in any editon?

[rough basalt]

Haven't really had a challenging adventure

[hollow stone]

i mean one of our guys wanted to change PCs so they were isolated from the party and had 7d6 jars of acid hurled at them until they exploded

[umbral girder]

Some point I should do Tomb of Annihilation. It’s just deadly.

[buoyant oar]

Any adventure that enforces encumbrance, daily lifestyles, food and water.

[noble spire]

actually general question, is a level 4-5 one-shot not beginner friendly for a DM or would i still be able to roll with it without much issues if i've never dmed

[rough basalt]

I'll be waiting

[hollow stone]

idk why they wanted to be brutally murdered but they chose to have that happen to their guy i guess

[umbral girder]

Probably should do that with Tomb of Annihilation. That feels like it’s the place to enforce that.

[icy glen]

bro couldn’t just part amicably with the group

[rough basalt]

ToA has so much potential for fun

[wanton sorrel]

if you were a DM what was the worse thing that a chaotic evil aligment has done?

[rough basalt]

Eat someone

Oh misread that and thought you meant a player

[icy glen]

I dmed for a bit but I don’t mess with alignment ngl

[still plover]

It's certainly possible. Do feel free to enforce some basic restrictions like "Player's Handbook only".

[astral blade]

Hey

[wanton sorrel]

yeah a player

[rough basalt]

Then yeah ate someone

[noble spire]

okay, thanks!

[buoyant oar]

same. Tiefling PC monches a pixie in witch light trying to get fey powers

[hollow stone]

i have continuously suggested eating whatever we murder to the party, but i've never actually fought a person when that happened

[icy glen]

Idk it simplifies complex characters and issues imo but I get how it’s useful

[noble spire]

i really really liked the vibe of the skyhorn lighthouse but wasn't sure if it was beginner friendly for the DM

[rough basalt]

Yep it was a human man

Not surprisingly I don't knowingly allow evil PCs anymore

[hollow stone]

fair enough

[wanton sorrel]

and here i thought they were vampires, gouls, or undead.

[buoyant oar]

It worked out for the tiefling PC. Got some pixie powers. But the cost was The Wild Hunt was introduced and ran them down the whole time.

[rough basalt]

Nope, party was bored so they cooked him and ate him

[wanton sorrel]

just think of a DM going through grim hollows

[rough basalt]

Based

[icy glen]

Best kind of evil PC is a PC who doesn’t start evil but may end up betraying the party for reasons that may be personally justifiable for their character—so a complex character basically.

[still plover]

Oh no the consequences of our actions.

[buoyant oar]

Yeaaaaaaaaaa.

[wanton sorrel]

choice matters!

welp i'm excited to get my 3 core books... in first edition :3

[buoyant oar]

We as a table just sort of sat in silence for a moment. None of us were upset. We were just stunned lmao

[wanton sorrel]

i do like suprises

wait if you had previous editions can previous editions moduals work in 5e?

[hollow stone]

i don't think so, not without manually changing the mechanical breaks

not to mention some modules may use a mechanic that just doesn't exist anymore

[vagrant quartz]

You guys ate people?

Oh well if I ever run out of food we have a kenku party member

Forbidden chicken nugget

[wanton sorrel]

not my kenku character T_T

[primal forum]

effing shit. why is it so hard to find core books in SEA

[vagrant quartz]

Are they tasty?

[still plover]

Kinda. Like bebe says, you'll have some conversion work to do. But maps are maps, folk are folk and the Monster Manual has plenty to pick from.

[wanton sorrel]

not without salt, chicken gravy, extra spicies and a few lettus

[buoyant oar]

I once had a Yuan-Ti Massillon player. She just didn't understand why the rest of the party were upset they weren't at the top of the food chain.

[vagrant quartz]

Anyways, today my party decided to delve into a dungeon to save some guys, my very neutral winter eladrin is 100% leaving them there to die

(it's a side quest)

[wanton sorrel]

x'D

[buoyant oar]

This week I tricked my party into murdering a completely harmless NPC because of red herrings and voices in their head lmao

[vagrant quartz]

Bro literally is "I don't wanna die™ self preservation n1" why whould he go into a dungeon full of traps because someone asked them nicely?

[glad arch]

be a hero

[wanton sorrel]

for tresure, for glory, for honor?

[glad arch]

as the dm or another player

[buoyant oar]

I was the DM.

[wanton sorrel]

lol

[vagrant quartz]

Nice, did they have any letters on them where they address theyr sick wife and small child?

[fiery nimbus]

DnD tomorrow

[glad arch]

gotta mention how he was the sole breadwinner of the family and how excited he was to finally get back to his family after 2 months

[fiery nimbus]

long term gains vs short term danger

[buoyant oar]

No but when they raided her office. There was a clear and concise explanation for literally every unusual thing about her.

[vagrant quartz]

Exactly

[vagrant quartz]

XD

[buoyant oar]

"She left hoof prints in the snow!"

Those were just high heels. With a custom tread.

[glad arch]

welp, rip random npc 2026-2026

[glad arch]

thats some really funky shoes

[buoyant oar]

"She looked like she had horns in her sauna!"

Those were headrests.

[vagrant quartz]

I mean, the dude who asked us to help literally has no brain activity since I couldn't detect thoughts them and he did not hear when we tried to use message on them sooooo, that's a big aaah death trap 🪤

[glad arch]

now thats a different story

[buoyant oar]

"She talks about contracts with her servants!"

She is a business woman and employer.

[marble lion]

So worse than a devil

[still plover]

No passive Investigation, huh?

[buoyant oar]

It gets funnier because her journal was mentioning how she was about to institute some raises across the board.

[vagrant quartz]

Please tell me that it somehow crashes the economy of the place

[glad arch]

The new ceo is a really bad guy and now the whole company and all employees are overworked and underpaid

[hollow stone]

i've had a character who's conspiring against the head of a town's church, actually, because the populace is predominantly human except for her, and she suspects that he's using his natural magical inclinations to manipulate the townfolk into worshipping him for power

[buoyant oar]

Well to make it stranger it was a woman who owned a manor and a mine. Out in the wilderness dozens of miles from any City.

[still plover]

Mother?

[glad arch]

adventurer party sees a rich woman living life and decides they need to put a stop to this witchcraft

[buoyant oar]

She was very wealthy. And was super willing to become the party's patron. She even housed them while a blizzard raged outside.

[buoyant oar]

No kids. But many powerful friends.

Oops

[vagrant quartz]

Time to start employing children as soon as evil guy™ steps up to take her place

[buoyant oar]

The voices in their head were objectively evil. Actively lied to them. And drove one of them to paranoia to shoot her with a crossbow. Did eight damage. She had four HP. No coming back from that

[glad arch]

where were the voices from?

[vagrant quartz]

Yeah that's a shot Tru ze skull

[buoyant oar]

A powerful witch that had nested deep in the mines

[still plover]

No kidding, that's the Ilphelkiir estate in one of my character's backstories. Silver mine run by kobolds.

[late kernel]

Classic.

[glad arch]

did they ever figure that out? i imagine after finding out she was innocent the party would want revenge on the witch

[buoyant oar]

When the staff came to check in on their lady everything went South fast. They started knocking out the servants and the butler.

They knew about the witch beforehand. And that was their objective was to head to the mine. A blizzard prevented them from getting there and they stayed at the lady's Manor until it passed.

Tackling her is their current objective

Granted in the party's defense. There was the body in a barrel of tar in her kitchen. Oops.

[indigo cedar]

Setting up the players to do things is sooooo easy

[glad arch]

sounds like a great story

[late kernel]

Sometimes a murder needs to be committed to ensure the main objective can be completed. We've all done it.

[indigo cedar]

and too often they do things without really asking questions either

[glad arch]

grab this definitally not cursed item in the middle of this empty room on a pillar

[buoyant oar]

We managed to explain away the body. By stating that it was the woman's father who was donating his body to educational institutions and wanted his bones preserved.

It's the one time that we took a 20-minute break in her game and nobody left the table because we all couldn't stop laughing

[worn lagoon]

My first-ever dm from a very campaign we never continued admitted earlier that he just really wanted to kill us and retrospectively it's starting to make a lot of sense lol

[indigo cedar]

or break into this powerful guilds vault to steal some occult items, and spread out a few other things that seems evil... I guess its time for the noble houses to kill the queen of the nation to take control, and the questgiver was the daughter of a noble house offering 2k gold to the party

[wanton sorrel]

oh dear

[glad arch]

i mean, 2k gold is 2k gold

[indigo cedar]

yeah, one of the boxes was thios lead box with three different maghic seals they took, and it contained a hand. the players are completely in the belief its the hand of vecna...

[fiery nimbus]

yay, i love me a 4% of an iron golem

[indigo cedar]

funny how the vault was lacling in protection other then some guards on the outside and a simple protection spell on the vault door

[opal zealot]

assalumialikum

[glad arch]

most famous hand in dnd

[opal zealot]

ALLAHU AKKBAR!!!!!

[indigo cedar]

The lock seemed extremely complicated but the figter with lockpicking tools were able to lockpick it within ten minutes, small details like that, that I had hoped would maker them go Hmmm

[glad arch]

the fighter being the lockpicker, interesting

though ig if hes a dex fighter his sleight of hand is high

[indigo cedar]

yeah the group has no rogue, but the fighter has profiency in it so he isn't bad

[buoyant oar]

walekum assalam

This is primarily an English server

[glad arch]

rolls a 4 on lockpicking check. door opens. guys we are so good at this stuff!

[indigo cedar]

I told him he didn't need to roll, he would have it open within ten minutes if he just tried as there was no present danger at all

its gonna be fun to see next session when the girl who gavce them the quests returns with the payment and says "toy have our deepest gratitude for your service to the order of the red rose

[glad arch]

i mean 10 minutes to pick a lock when thats something youre good at, i wouldnt say thats that suspicious

[indigo cedar]

which they have seen posters from around the city trashtalking the queen 😄

he has 6 in the skill so not great, but not horrible

[glad arch]

my most recent session we started infiltrating a wizards tower, got trough the first floor with 2 flesh golems that were controlled trough some sort of magical speakers. we killed the first one but after realising the speaker thing we destroyed them and now we have a flesh golem companion

next session gonna go up in the tower though so i dont have much faith for our new buddy

[indigo cedar]

golems are fun

[hard thistle]

I like using polymorph to turn into a golem.

[somber nimbus]

Hey guys I’m new!!! It’s so hard to find a party that is not 18+😞

[hard thistle]

Shocks the heck out of a newbie DM lol.

[glad arch]

probably not a flesh golem, those things were suprisingly weak

[hot gate]

Hopefully no golem at all, as they're not beasts.

[glad arch]

i love hitting on like a 10

[hard thistle]

Nope, stone golem.

[indigo cedar]

Polymorph can only do beasts tho, or have they changed the spell?

[hard thistle]

My DM at the time allowed it. I basically did a "I know it's not in the rules for it, but it would make thematic sense for the character and the setting" and she gave me a "It'll make you a giant target" and then approved it.

[hot gate]

Alright, that's a pretty hefty buff to that spell.

[hard thistle]

I miss playing with her. She was a good DM. Balanced combat well, have good roleplay. Good times, good times.

[hot gate]

Hopefully you were able to look it up after the session.

[glad arch]

sounds like they knew it was against the rules, but followed the rule of cool for their dm

[hot gate]

I try to make sure that I play according to the rules at the best of times, but even moreso when its a new DM. No need to "surprise" them with anything.

[hard thistle]

Also, my DM needed someone to hit with a ton of damage because everyone else was playing squishy characters (including me as a wizard), so...

[indigo cedar]

Rule of cool is one powerful tool in the DM's toolbox

[hard thistle]

Rule of cool and desperation to not tpk.

[wanton sorrel]

did you cast grease?

[hard thistle]

I did cast grease, but in a difference combat encounter. It's a nice spell.

[wanton sorrel]

i'm gussing you cast a fire spell on the grease to create an after burn.

[hot gate]

I do get the impression a lot of players made that argument, because in 2024 version of grease it says:

Nonflammable grease

[jovial shadow]

still the same

[glad arch]

i was pulling up the spell and it indeed does not say grease is flammable, like the web spell says

[indigo cedar]

it's not, but many DM's have allowed it

[worn lagoon]

This is more of a BG3 thing than a DND thing.

[wanton sorrel]

oh

[indigo cedar]

its more of a thing from previous versions of D&D tbh

[worn lagoon]

maybe, but that's the most recent memory of flammable grease for a lot of people

[indigo cedar]

that combination was often used among my players back in 3.5 also

[hard thistle]

Not typically, no. Technically, nothing in the rules says that's allowed, and even though every DM I've seen has allowed that kind of thing, the damage isn't great (I think it's like a d4 most times) and it's a waste of a perfectly good grease trap.

[wanton sorrel]

I did see a player back in 2015 did that in 3.5 when i was in colleage but...

[hot gate]

Yeah, it was never flammable, but it's always hard to make the "absence doesn't mean allowance" argument without sounding like a party pooper.
I'd definitely lean towards allowing it if I trust the player.

[jovial shadow]

It's a legitimate argument nonetheless

[hot gate]

sure

[hard thistle]

I always allow it because it's grease. Most grease IRL burns really easily.

[wanton sorrel]

that's what i thought too

[jovial shadow]

What's the old saying? "Spells do what they say and nothing more"

[hot gate]

This is also why we have the "D&D isn't physics" section in the DMG

[indigo cedar]

yeah, but this is magical grease 😄

[wanton sorrel]

you might be right on that. T_T

poor grease... How I love you to be flamable.

[hot gate]

Suddenly spellcasters don't seem that "op" anymore, what a coincidence!

[hard thistle]

Ok, but listen, if things aren't specified, that means there's room for players and DMs to do some really funny shenanigans. And if my players put like 3 or 4 mechanics together to get a funny and/or creative result, why punish that?

[hot gate]

Oh, in a private group with good friends and a good understanding of what we all like about the game, no need at all.

[indigo cedar]

As said, rule of cool is a powerful tool if used with care

[hot gate]

But on the other hand, rules have niches carved out and if you allow anyone to fill a niche by arguing yourself into it, you're indirectly punishing the people that picked a feature for that niche.

[wanton sorrel]

So if i used acid spray.... and then use burning hands would that create an after burn?

[hot gate]

Ruleswise, no

[indigo cedar]

I do find myself almost avoid combat in 5e lately, which feels a bit bad over my players

[wanton sorrel]

so bg3 only rules i guess

[hot gate]

Yup, that game (partially coming from the previous Larian game) worked a lot with surfaces. And made lots of other changes to 5e.

[wanton sorrel]

but oil i think is the right one then

[hot gate]

Even oil doesn't work like in the game
At least you can se a 5 foot square on fire

[worn lagoon]

i actually don't know what ordinary combat from the player's side is supposed to feel like. recently i learned that the games where i was a player, the dm genuinely hated us and wanted to kill us badly. which made sense, considering as a wizard 5/6 of my spells were defensive...

[hot gate]

Having an adversarial DM isn't something I wish on anybody. It really destroys my sense of fun.

[worn lagoon]

we sorted that out, we're good buddies again

[valid geyser]

also flavorwise for the vestige I'd have liked if the aura of power healing from zero was based on your vestige's current HP or something tied to it, so the flavor would feel more like draining the vestige's power

[jovial shadow]

A DM existing to only kill characters? I would be curious how did they learn to DM?

[hot gate]

Perhaps they saw one too many memes on tiktok.

Social media does tend to portray DMs a certain way that rarely fits onto what actually happens at the table.

[indigo cedar]

adversial DM's are among the worst

[civic palm]

How do you quantify morality for an eldritch horror? Sure, most are in the evil or chaotic categories, but that’s based on human interpretation.

[glad arch]

i wish my dm would try a little harder to kill me, i have feared dead exactly 0 times

[civic palm]

A chaotic evil human and a chaotic evil R’lyehian horror are two completely different fields.

[jovial shadow]

True. When you are that far above mortals, what's good and evil is a matter of interpretation.

[hot gate]

It's a hard balance to strike! I also feel like I'm too kind of a DM, but try to remember not to let my rooting for the characters influence the mindset of the monsters.

[civic palm]

Botwtotk? Is that a gnome or warforged guy?

(A joke, to clarify.)

Actually you know what? I’m keeping Botwtotk for a future character name.

Bot-wuh-tot-kh.

[wanton sorrel]

lol

[wanton sorrel]

so if i cast a water spell and a pool of water is below them and i cast lightning on the pool will it hit them?

[fiery nimbus]

Its when two people initiate the courting

they go somewhere, talk check if they are compatible

[hot gate]

As Lich Lord aptly said before:
Spells do what they say and nothing more

[civic palm]

Grammatically incorrect answer. If I had asked “What is a date?” that would have worked. “The” is used as a definite article or adverb, though in this case, an adverb definite article is correct. To use “the” as a(n) definite article adverb in that sentence proves you are an alien.

[wanton sorrel]

ok

[raven marsh]

this is genuinely hilarious

[fiery nimbus]

stop casting spells

[raven marsh]

i cast a grammatical reform spell on you

[civic palm]

Ignore that I got that wrong.

[wooden kraken]

Hey guys, may I ask for some assistance? I'm trying to draw a map, but I don't remember if the books had symbol charts for the maps, am I right?

[civic palm]

Are you right that you don’t remember? I assume so. Whether they do or not, however, is unknown to me. Making maps isn’t my strong suit (outside of TaleSpire).

Could you be specific about “symbol charts”? Are you referring to whether you want the map hex-shaped or grid-shaped, or…?

[wanton sorrel]

huh i wonder what everyone favorite DM screen?

[empty thicket]

Would depend of the DM honestly

some let you be creative and reward such thing and adapt faster, others just dont want you to exploit stuff and stop you directly

or just dotn want to go around the hassle of all the "things" you could do

[devout plume]

raise of hands if you were running a 2024 ruleset campaign and a player asked you "Hey can i make these 2 spells the 2014 versions? They were more creative to use before the change." How likely would you be to allow said change?

[crimson gulch]

I keep 2014 counterspell for sure

I'm guessing the command spell is what they are asking about ?

[devout plume]

i was asking for the most part because the 2024 ruleset hurt spells like command and mage hand lol

[devout plume]

bingo

also mage hand weirdly got a nerf?

[crimson gulch]

Mage hand got nerfed? Looks the same to me

The phrasing changed with the code of the magic action

[devout plume]

the wording requires an action to be performed prior to taking direct control of the hand breaking how i normally run mage hand

[cursive thorn]

I dont think that is true, is it?

[devout plume]

i generally have it work as an extension of the caster's hand

[crimson gulch]

That was allways the case it took an action to cast it then do things with it raw

[devout plume]

yesnt it does take an action to cast but you had leeway with how you cast it

like now you have to actually DO an action ie opening a door or picking something up

[crimson gulch]

Action to cast and use, then an action to use was allways the Case

[cursive thorn]

That was always the case.

[devout plume]

whereas prior you could cast it and say for example wave or flip someone off

[cursive thorn]

Thats HB/Flavour, It has always been the case that it took an action to control the hand.

[potent vector]

Mage hand I get, Command was busted

Literally a Geas lite

[crimson gulch]

2014 text
You can use your action to control the hand. You can use the hand to manipulate an object, open an unlocked door or container, stow or retrieve an item from an open container, or pour the contents out of a vial. You can move the hand up to 30 feet each time you use it.

[potent vector]

(for combat purposes)

[reef copper]

scanlan shorthalt moment

[empty thicket]

my wizard would be using mage hand all the time like a third hand for himself

[crimson gulch]

cool, so you just never used it RAW

[empty thicket]

ngl, such thing cant be more good

[devout plume]

are you sure? i distinctly remember using it to flip off a rat mid combat taking up an action while also not interacting with anything

[crimson gulch]

oh wait wrong guy

[empty thicket]

Na, i never used it
never used a wizard yet

[sour cave]

I have discovered a new silly firbolg character. Due to how they age and their longer life’s you can be a great great great great grandpa at 200 and still be in the prime of your life

I will be making ultra grandpa as my new barbarian

[noble spire]

chat i think ive found the one-shot i'd like to host. super excited, i just need to come up with some pre-written characters now

[empty thicket]

i plan to, but until the moment is open for it.
I like to imagine its one of the first spells he learned for helping himself in lots of stuff

[potent vector]

What's the premise?

[devout plume]

i play a mix of scanlan and jester

my bard's arcane focus is a large wargong lol

[noble spire]

skyhorn lighthouse! it's basically about this lighthouse a few miles off of a port/harbour. ships have stopped going through the harbor due to fear of sea monsters and the lighthouse is in trouble

[glad arch]

if i ever play a bard i wanna play piano bard somehow

[viral verge]

Keytar Bard

[potent vector]

Have you considered making it Wild Magic Barb so they are constantly over worried about the well-being of the rest of the party with random dangers popping up all the time?

[dim wasp]

dnd disco paarty

[dim wasp]

this is homeboom?

[viral verge]

Oh, you could go full Vanessa Carlton and get a piano that can travel through the city streets

[devout plume]

my bard is chronically unable to stay on tune

[potent vector]

Creation Bard, drops Pianos on people with the levitate spell, then proceeds to use it as a Spellcasting focus

[viral verge]

Reminds me of Dungeon Crawler Carl's cat

[devout plume]

all of their performances are so bad people pay them to quit

[potent vector]

Nope. From Tasha's cauldron of everything. Official subclass

[dim wasp]

is their plot their development of their singing

[glad arch]

limited to once a long rest, love the idea though

[potent vector]

Support Barbarian

[devout plume]

nope its battling their inner demons (literally)

[potent vector]

Oop wrong reply

[glad arch]

14th level creation bard summoning a huge size piano above the battle field

[dim wasp]

so do they ever learn to sing in tune

[potent vector]

Btw, actually no, you get uses back if you spend a 2nd level spell slot

So you can do it 5 times lmao

[glad arch]

mmmh, ill keep it in mind if i ever go the bard route

[devout plume]

my character got their bard powers thanks to a witch cursing them with an eldritch entity that wants my character to entertain them and they get sent through rifts to different worlds (campaigns) with their powers reset and if they die they just get sent through another rift and in the end they just become the entity's plaything for all of eternity

[humble cairn]

Interesting!

[potent vector]

Have you considered giving them a Dark Gift from the Strahd setting? (Echoing Soul, literally them either using or being overwhelmed by echoes of their past souls)

They're all drawback focused features

(I might try to convince my DM to let me take them as Origin feats)

[devout plume]

welcome to the wholesome (totally not messed up) functionally immortal life of my bard that they can never end as they grow attached to people they will watch suffer and inevitably die and knowing that they will have to go through this pain over and over and over again to make the eldritch being happy

[devout plume]

ooooooohhhh i like the way you think

its very funny how my bards whole story is extremely tragic but theyre forced to smile and be bubbly by the entity

they literally cant frown, cry, or even be mad

[potent vector]

Read the table, they are pretty horrible with this context. Being charmed by the illusion of a past love, frightened by the illusion smth that maybe killed you before, become blinded to your surroundings by a place that you no longer can be in. Or yk, you finally see a good memory so this patron of yours can see the villain fail miserablely

[sonic shuttle]

(sorry to pop in mid conversation, if anyone knows any websites that sell dice for an acceptable price compared to the quality, feel free to dm or ping me. I'm not interested in spending a bunch of money because I don't have it, but I do understand that the average set is probably above 60 euros)

[devout plume]

in one world she watched her beloved die in her arms but she couldnt stop smiling

its crazy morbid at points like that lol

[crimson gulch]

big packs on amazon are fairly cheap, your milage may very with euro pricing as im over here in canada

[devout plume]

yeah i deffo gotta do this now lol

[glad arch]

the 60 euro dice sets are the fancy ones, you can get some solid sets from as urizt suggested amazon for a lot less then that

[devout plume]

it would work well with my character's gimmick and her backstory

[potent vector]

A lot like Re:zero, but world hopper variety.

Which makes bonds even worse

Because you'll actually never see them again

[devout plume]

she escaped from her family's cult compound with their fortune and then spent it all on a witch to become her true self but got more than she bargained for

[sonic shuttle]

i dont usualyl shop at amazon and i worry about the uh.. transportation costs? I've once had that be 20 euros from another site,but i might check it out

I would definitely buy "fancier" ones if it means better quality and it supporting a smaller artist

[wooden kraken]

Oh, yes, I was talking about those symbols that defines if there is something in the map, such as doors or stairs

[potent vector]

Hm. I need to work more my character's backstory for next week. It feels shallow rn.

[devout plume]

yep and the worst part is the only way to end the torture is to kill her family which is mostly fine since they suck but sadly that includes her younger sister that she loves dearly

[glad arch]

shipping costs can ramp up if youre not from north america, im from the netherlands and i do agree shipping somethings costs a crazy amount of money relative to what youre spending on the product

[devout plume]

fun times

[sonic shuttle]

yeahh im close to that area too, i also dont trust big companies like amazon that easily w shipping

[devout plume]

if my character was here rn id be slapped to narnia for putting her through this mess lol

[sonic shuttle]

esp cause it's like.. good looking metal dice that claims to be for 10 euros even tho you'd usually pay atleast 50 euros for that

[hollow stone]

i mean they don't really big unless they actually provision the product tho

[glad arch]

i got a couple of dice sets from aliexpress, the shipping costs are a lot lower and they sell for good prices. the quality is suprisngly solid too, its just you are buying from aliexpress...

[reef copper]

What about an elf

[glad arch]

elf with their great^24 grand children

[potent vector]

I found some decent ones for only 13 USD iirc. I can send you a link to the website if you want. Don't know their EU shipping policies tho.

It's a rly cheesy website name lmfao

[glad arch]

elfs usually dont reproduce that often though right?

so youd be more hard pressed to actually find long elven lineages

[reef copper]

Tbh this could be a uncommon magic item

[sonic shuttle]

feel free to! i trust it more if you have experiences w it

[hollow stone]

do you think the first elf is still alive?

[glad arch]

i imagine that depends on the setting

[wintry spindle]

I mean I think the reasons elves don't have many kids over generations is because they shouldnt hook up by accident with their descendant

[sonic shuttle]

ive not heard much of aliexpress, ill have to research it first to make sure it is a website up to my standards

[glad arch]

yeh thats fair, goodluck on your search and hope you can find something

[reef copper]

Fair enough they have long generations. But not compared to their lives i think. Its not like they wait 150 years for a generation

[glad arch]

i mean elf maturity is usually mentioned at around 100, so i wouldnt be suprised tbh

[reef copper]

My elf will probably create a large dynasty with a large family tree since a lot of things are inherited.

[wintry spindle]

I think it make more sense you just help rasie your grandkids

It takes a village and all that

[unreal garnet]

guys, are all campaigns different from each other or are they all read from a book

it might seem like a stupid question which it is

[wintry spindle]

both

[unreal garnet]

but ive never played before

[wintry spindle]

Some campaigns from modules aka adventures are set in the same setting. Some are not set in the same setting and its own world

[unreal garnet]

oh cool

dude how long have u been playing xd

[lavish flame]

They're all different

[wintry spindle]

Like 15 years?

[unreal garnet]

dude

how

[wintry spindle]

Started with 3,5

[lavish flame]

I like to run campaigns that starts by using a pre-written adventure, but then becomes a sandbox player-driven story

[unreal garnet]

my friends forced me to play but it seems fun

[wintry spindle]

It's fun

[unreal garnet]

that is the coolest shi ive ever heard

im js scared cuz liek im new af and i dont wanna ruin some dudes campaign

[lavish flame]

Like currently I am running Dragon of Icespire Peak until the group finishes that adventure (level 6) and then we're just gonna be doing adventures in the Wildemount setting

[glad arch]

sounds like youre not the greatest fan of the idea but if it means a lot to your friend i suggest giving it an open minded chance. odds are you will get to enjoy the game too

[noble spire]

same so instead im hosting one lol

cant ruin someone elses campaign if its my own B)

[glad arch]

i wouldnt worry about that too much

themberchaud has been fed once again

[unreal garnet]

ahem

[wintry spindle]

don't be scared. If you just try your best and have fun it works out well

[potent vector]

Sent it

[unreal garnet]

dude i dont even have the rulebook

[glad arch]

yep, be open to learning and have fun

[noble spire]

Speed agreeing gif

[wintry spindle]

It's only a game

[unreal garnet]

how yu know

[glad arch]

im guessing your friend does if hes running a game, discuss it with him

[noble spire]

i know ball

[unreal garnet]

elite ball knowledge

[glad arch]

theres a site called dnd beyond which has the basic rules you need, other then that ask your friend for help and probably create your character with him

[unreal garnet]

ight im gona try joinning my first game, but like not talking as much

[lavish flame]

There is a free version of the core rulebooks. Its called the Basic Rules and is genuinely all the rules of the game. Character Creation options are pretty limited in the Basic Rules, but it is the ruleset of the game. You can find it on DnDBeyond (website and app)

[glad arch]

if youre looking for online games there also text based campaigns if that would be more of your interest

[unreal garnet]

dude i wanted to be a human that could only breathe underwater and like he can only stay above for like fuhing 20 mins

[unreal garnet]

that seems good, once i get confident, ill try vc

[glad arch]

alright in that case that might be a problem depending on what kind of campaign youre in

[unreal garnet]

aight i see

[lavish flame]

I think it is best practice to first learn the rules before breaking them

[unreal garnet]

exactly thats what my friend said

[glad arch]

but just discuss your ideas with the dm of the game, they can say its fine or rework your idea to make it work in a certain setting

[wintry spindle]

Wear a fishbowl on your head

[glad arch]

easy solution i can imagine is a magic item thats just a bowl of water that doesnt spill

[unreal garnet]

whats yalls most llike fun moment

[wintry spindle]

I once reflected a cannonball

[glad arch]

kung fu panda style?

[wintry spindle]

yes

[unreal garnet]

like bro i hear this typa sih then wana play

[worn lagoon]

Monk funny moments

[wintry spindle]

Monk has some pretty good highs

[unreal garnet]

is monk a class 😭

[glad arch]

yes

[wintry spindle]

honestly all my deflect missles are always fun

[unreal garnet]

woo

i remember i made a character

it was a dark magic sorcerer

[wintry spindle]

dark magic?

[worn lagoon]

One of my bards (1/3) turned the only party member doing ok damage to this giant bat into a giant ape. He threw the cleric at the bat. Cleric landed right in its mouth. Got chewed.

[lavish flame]

Had a Barbarian leap out of a tower toward a flying enemy mage. The barbarian killed the mage by landing on her.

[unreal garnet]

it had some magic hand that allowed me to pick up shit from a little far away but i cudnt cast

[worn lagoon]

Shadow magic sorc, most likely

[wintry spindle]

ahhhh

[unreal garnet]

yeh tah

[severe rampart]

Listen, he wanted to be an ape, I turned him into an ape

[worn lagoon]

I thought it was absolutely hilarious

[wintry spindle]

I once han a The hangover inspired session where they had to retrack their day from before

[severe rampart]

Grudge by far is my favorite party member

[noble spire]

could anyone help me pre-write some characters for my one-shot? im kind of lost on how to do this ive never dmed before

[worn lagoon]

(He thinks you're cool too)

[unreal garnet]

lawl

alr guys il try n join something

[wintry spindle]

one time in call of cthulhu when the game was about to conclude i stole the cursed macguffin and left the other two investigators behind

[lavish flame]

I once got the luxury of being a super fast Monk and dragging allies along a very long village to help ppl out at one end. It was cool being a ferry for my allies.

[stark tundra]

Remember theres no I in team but there are 6 in I didn't ask how big the room was I said I cast fireball

[raven relic]

Guys, what class and subclass would you recommend for a single D&D company? It's just that in my small town in russian there are no TTRPG, and I have to play with AI.

[wintry spindle]

why not play online?

[lavish flame]

For being on ur own? Maybe a Paladin of some kind. You can just find a group online tho

[wanton sorrel]

become a barbarian and use magical weapons

[wintry spindle]

human fighter big sword

[stark tundra]

Nah

Elf fighter giant sword bow

[raven relic]

idk about online games, I do not have time in most cases.

[wintry spindle]

or fighter giant human big

[severe rampart]

thinking of what I should get for Magical Secrets... (Level 10), Banishment is already one of them since I need it for lore reasons

[chrome tinsel]

'14 or '24 magical secrets?

[severe rampart]

Both, I'm allowed to as long as I pass it by the DM

[wintry spindle]

Tiefling Sorrcerer

My creative creation

[chrome tinsel]

for '14 magical secrets greater steed and swift quiver are two classics that are more powerful than any single spell you can get from the '24 magical secrets, but i think '24 magical secrets is stronger in the long run

[wintry spindle]

Bard halfling

[severe rampart]

I almost did that, but Changeling has my heart in a chokehold

[wintry spindle]

Half orc Barbian big axe

elf ranger

Ive never played divorced in dnd

[raven relic]

In my two companies, I've only tried a human warrior and a half-elf sorcerer (the half-elf died in the second battle)

[wanton sorrel]

3.5e i was a wizard and died from battle in a war.

[karmic pendant]

We're you level 1?

[wintry spindle]

I once died because I jumped down a tower

[chrome tinsel]

since you have 5th level spells and being a changeling you benefit a lot from getting information about people, scrying could be a legendary pickup

[lavish flame]

I once died cuz I got shivved to death by kenkus in an abandoned warehouse

[chrome tinsel]

you could set up a scrying eye inside of a building and use it to find out who the guards are before going in for example

[wintry spindle]

I once killed a player because i underestimated how strong a mummy is

[severe rampart]

You can do that with scrying?

Also 100% Scrying, in the campaign we're trying to kill Baphomet

[lavish flame]

Arcane Eye might be the play for that instead of Scrying

[severe rampart]

And I'm not looking forward to the endless maze

[severe rampart]

Hmmm... might be, but my character's goal is to kill his father, or to just banish him to another plane, I think Scrying could help him locate him

[lavish flame]

thats a wildly different goal to what the comment you replied to wanted

[severe rampart]

still if it works it works

[chrome tinsel]

as i understand it arcane eye is kind of just weaker scrying?

wait scrying got added to the bard spell list
good news! you dont need to use your magical secrets on it!
bad news! we need another magical secrets spell
many such cases

[sleek cloud]

Arcane eye is more for visual scouting where scrying is good for just about any distance but requires detailed knowledge and the target gets to make a save against it

[severe rampart]

Alright I guess I dont have to waste a magical secret spell on something lore-wise

[raven relic]

yeap

[karmic pendant]

Level 1 player characters tend to drop like flies

[raven relic]

warlok so bad imho

[karmic pendant]

Warlock isn't bad level 1 player characters tend to be squishy

[sleek cloud]

What comforting news to go into tomorrows all rogue level 1 starting session

[severe rampart]

either they're all dying first encounter or going all the way till the end

[sleek cloud]

I’ll probably die first being the chief melee combatant

[raven relic]

8 hp at level 1 is too little

[chrome tinsel]

i was trying to look over the Cleric spell list because that one's really rather underrated and has some super useful stuff compared to the Wiz list, though if your party doesn't have a reliable way of teleporting yet, tree stride off the druid list could be a good pick?

[sleek cloud]

Least I rolled well enough on stats to start with 18 con

[severe rampart]

we're in Avernus, I dont think there's a lot of trees to turn into

[karmic pendant]

I had a warlock at level 1 and they had 12 hp did you dump con?

[raven relic]

mb my ai said false information

don't know much about D&D yet.

[severe rampart]

That's why you never use AI for DnD

[karmic pendant]

Yeah i don't recommend using Ai to make characters

[raven relic]

I don't have a team to play D&D 🙁

[severe rampart]

you can always ask in #dnd-newcomers

or in DnD Beyond it calculates it for you

[karmic pendant]

I recommend #find-a-game if you want to find a group

[raven relic]

I don't match the time zone of the games.

[karmic pendant]

Just wait then

[severe rampart]

you can play a one shot, it's a one-time campaign, surely you can pull one all nighter

[naive cedar]

not everyone can just pull all nighters tho

[karmic pendant]

There will eventually be a game that lines up with your schedule if not try looking for westmarches

[idle oar]

You can also look in #looking-for-community as they may have play by post games where meeting at a specific time is generally not a problem

[naive cedar]

but yeah just wait for campaigns that match your timezone

[severe rampart]

maybe, personally I sleep in the afternoon to help but yeah

[naive cedar]

this is also a good idea!!

[raven relic]

I'll try it sometime when I find the time

[olive wasp]

Just be an elf and trance for 4 hours

[naive cedar]

Honestly that’s the one thing about being an elf I don’t like. Sleep is beautiful and nobody is taking it from me

[olive wasp]

Oh I love sleep too, but I also like being awake to do things

I sacrifice my sleep all the time, willingly and also for important reasons

[stoic haven]

You dont have to trance? You can still sleep as an elf technically, but not by force

[olive wasp]

They make this magical potion called white monster and it’s amazing. (I only do this for emergencies)

[chrome tinsel]

hmmmm things are narrowing down to the point it's hard to choose something cool
what im gathering is that you're more a divine and decieve type bard, which is an excellent, classic go to. do you feel starved for offensive options?

[severe rampart]

yeah I'm mainly needing offensive options

[chrome tinsel]

Steel Wind Strike. its the coolest spell in the game

[next ether]

Hi Guys!

[severe rampart]

I am a supportive monster right now, 10+ support spells im pretty sure

[naive cedar]

Yeah but they don’t generally like sleeping though

[chrome tinsel]

Be the storm that is approaching, provoking

[next ether]

Questionj

[lavish flame]

I love it but also loathe that it became a spell

[next ether]

Can I talk about my minecraft DND character here?

[lavish flame]

that was a 4e Monk ability that they turned into a spell

[severe rampart]

that is perfect

paired with my fart sword those devils wont know what hit them

(The Fart Sword is a longsword+1 that does an extra 1d8 thunder damage)

[chrome tinsel]

fart sword?

[severe rampart]

The second I got it I wanted to kill the Kobold who was guarding it.

[chrome tinsel]

thou hast drawn the legendary fartblade against thy devilish foes.

but yeah, ummm a teleport and AoE combined for 6d10 force damage is. genuinely not the best, since it can fully miss unlike most AoE spells, but the cool factor is unparalleled

[severe rampart]

tbe only thing I am lacking is strength, I have 10 strength but 20 charisma

but if I do get that, I could do 79 damage to 5 creatures at once if I'm lucky enough

[tawdry sentinel]

I feel it needs to let out a slow squeak as it's pulled from it's scabbard

[severe rampart]

no, it was very loud.

the DM played the reverb fart noise when I pulled the sword out.

[chrome tinsel]

honestly combining the cool factor of steel wind strike with the funny factor of 80 reverb farts playing at once

i know its not the best AoE spell ever but how could a bard resist?

[severe rampart]

I'm only human I have to take it.

and then I roll a natural 1

[chrome tinsel]

some lower level magical secrets spells worth considering retraining for as you level up include Shield, Spirit Guardians (could go VERY hard with steel wind actually), Counterspell, Divination and Warding Bond

[reef copper]

Is there any place people have collected and are doing polls on dnd related questions?

[severe rampart]

Yes, I already have Spirit Guardians and Counterspell

oh my god just imagine Spirit Guardians with the Steel Wind Strike and Longsword

[stuck shuttle]

If you wanted to discuss your character you can in #character-discussion !

[empty thicket]

can take tough for feat so even being a caster you have a bit more of hp

[severe rampart]

I'm not actually human I'm a changeling

[empty thicket]

There is never enough hp, so, Still wont deny that magic initiate in any of the three options is very good

[empty thicket]

Damn... what was that?

[severe rampart]

it meant I was only a human and I had to use the fart sword because it was beckoning for me

[empty thicket]

okey nvm, im using the evil ass crazy kittie kicker and socks stealer enemy for that.

[severe rampart]

when the DM gives you a fart sword, make the DM suffer

[empty thicket]

everything about the "fart sword" i hate it. Im receiving damage for just read it.

[severe rampart]

is it the fact that it does a loud reverb fart noise, or is it the fact that it's a very viable weapon

[civic palm]

Professional Necromancers don’t rob graves. Any grave with the words “rest in peace” on the gravestone are automatically considered non-combatants for the skeleton war, after all.

Also does the fart sword deal poison or thunder damage?

[severe rampart]

Thunder

[empty thicket]

A professional necromancer go to a family or person, make them sign a contract for a monthly pay so they can get their body taken care of, get healthier habits so their body stay strong and stay safe without risking to get their body destroyed and finally when they dont live anymore you use that contract for retrieve the body and use it in your construction sites like work hand.
If the person chose they could send some of the money they gain while dead working to a person or family.

Im telling you, kingdoms would rise in weeks with a necromancer like that

[civic palm]

A death insurance Necromancer is a concept that tickles my funny bone.

[empty thicket]

You get me buddy, would even pay the parties for non too harmed bodies, 1 gp per human size body

and with all the limbs intact

[half verge]

Howdy! I'm crafting a one shot mansion maze for my birthday and the theme is botanical body horror. I'm stuck on what kind of puzzle I could have in the Ballroom. Probably something to do with dancing in order to open a certain door or unlock part of the mansion?

[severe rampart]

The avatar scene with Aang and Zuko having to mimic statues in order to open the gate, probably could recreate it with paintings or furniture

[hollow stone]

if my grave says "Rest In Anticipation" does that increase the likelihood that i will be resurrected for the skeleton war?

[chrome tinsel]

paintings of people in dancing poses seems like a cool solution to recreate that. maybe it's a duet and maybe if they get it near-correct but wrong (bad performance check) they could pass but with a consequence?

[half verge]

Oh hell yeah! That's an awesome idea! Thanks1

[civic palm]

Investigation + performance to solve the puzzle? Maybe have the middle painting ruined, so they need to figure out one of the steps based on context.

[severe rampart]

If someone died an organ donor, does that mean that a necromancer has legal rights to resurrect them under the pretense of "charity" or a "donation"

[empty thicket]

"Only wake me up if its needed" would hit harder

[civic palm]

Bones aren’t organs, sadly, so they couldn’t use the skeleton. Only a muscle zombie.

[severe rampart]

Bones are considered to be one because they're "living structure made of multiple tissues (like bone, marrow, nerves, vessels) that perform specific functions like support, protection, and mineral storage."

[empty thicket]

and even if you rise an undead, the organs would be still rotting

Would need to fully resurrect someone and then kill him fresh and use his organs

[hollow stone]

i mean a muscle zombie is functional, your bones are pretty much dead inside you in terms of movement, they just kinda act as a physical anchor to pull on for your muscles

[empty thicket]

that honestly, at that point would be cheaper to kill the person that need the organ and use true ressurection on it

[severe rampart]

Can't you get a two for one deal if you use the muscle for a zombie and the bones for a skeleton undead

[coarse ravine]

Skin is a organ right?

[severe rampart]

The Donation or Charity was for the undead war, he's turning him into an undead because he was an organ donor

[hollow stone]

you still, structurally, need bones, but they don't necessarily need to be alive (but for proper living you do need active bone marrow for blood cells)

[civic palm]

That may be true for int-based necromancer, but do you have the charisma to convince the grieving family of the deceased that “Yes, they wanted me to keep their skeleton too”?

[severe rampart]

This is why you only take from poor families, just offer them some gold and they'll even want to give you more family members

[civic palm]

At that point you aren’t taking organ donors though, so it’s a moot point.

[hollow stone]

poor people can be organ donors, what?

[empty thicket]

Welp, if the kingdom have a necromancer and is like protector of the kingdom, the people donating his bodies for the wars would be something really cool.
A necromancer that even if his powers are dark and evil, he choose to use them for good and the people understand him and even tell him to use their bodies so even after death they can repay to that necromancer and his kindness

Some sort of Issac from castlevania thing

[severe rampart]

Cool idea for a collapsing kingdom: After a famine or something, they have turned nearly all of the poor families into undead for their military power

[civic palm]

True in a literal sense, but in practice, the medieval peasant who died from an untreated rust infection will not be used for organ donations. At best they’d be used for science.

[empty thicket]

The kingdom being destroyed, the people dying and then the people save the necromancer and ask him to use their bodies, to use them for defend those that still live would be peak scene

[civic palm]

Rather than requiring constant control over their undead, they’d just need a few high-level ones to corral them and point?

[severe rampart]

then overtime, as the kingdom gets more prosperous, they start creating undead armies not out of need but out of greed for power, killing people of low status or low income in order to pillage more powerful kingdoms

[modest sinew]

Spent two days on a wall of character lore…for a campaign that’s probably gonna collapse before takeoff

Kinda feelin stupid rn

Guess i got a character in my back pocket for next campaign if it doesn’t work out.

[marble maple]

Our party barely survived the encounter with a Mummy Lord

[severe rampart]

no deaths?

[civic palm]

Zombies run on sheep logic. If the undead in front of me is moving, then I will move too, barring external stimulus.

[empty thicket]

Nuh uh, i want my kind and good necromancer

[stark tundra]

I hope y'all know your giving me stuff for my bbeg

[marble maple]

A couple of downs but no deaths

[severe rampart]

Oh yeah take it all, do what I can't do right now, as I am stil dumb and can't do my ideas

[empty thicket]

Give him a second phase where he cast antimagic field above him and he enter to it and start fighting close combat, being even more lethal than before

[stark tundra]

It's kinda necromancy but he came from nano bots

[cursive sand]

you from europe? cause most games I find arent also in my timezone (aka usa)

[empty thicket]

Almost same, my Dm and comrades are from the other side of the world, my 7 am games is like their 1 or 2pm

[civic palm]

You know what would make the whole “collapsed kingdom” bit sell even better? When the players arrive to the capital, everyone’s dead. The streets are empty, because since all the undead were used for conflict and they were from the lower class, no one was left to do basic infrastructure and farming. All that’s left is a necropolis of the damned.

You could even gas it up; have NPC’s talk about how everyone from “necromancer city” were descended from demons and they’re all evil. Have rumors about how they sacrificed puppies for fun or something. It’ll make the sudden reveal that they were just people in crisis all the more damning, and make the BBEG even worse. They didn’t just wage war for years with a seemingly unending swarm of undead, their actions also lead to the complete extinction of the kingdom they were trying to protect.

[naive cedar]

Nobody online has my timezone lol. I can make do with EST pretty easily though since I’m only an hour away

[severe rampart]

for both my campaigns that I'm in, I am 8 hours and 13 hours ahead respectively

[naive cedar]

this made me think of necropolis from fallout 1. that would be a great setting

[severe rampart]

Even more so if they're all just standing there or wandering aimlessly, as they're waiting for their new command.

[civic palm]

Make it so they don’t even recognize the party as hostile, since they’re there to “assist the living”.

[severe rampart]

Yeah, I think it'd be better that way

"You all see a group of undead-" "I attack them. - Barbarian"

[civic palm]

Heck, you could make it so they don’t BBEG doesn’t even realize that they’re the last one.

[civic palm]

“Okay, you do so.”
“Alright, so we roll initiative now-“
“No need. The rest continue standing there, ignoring you.”

[potent vector]

It happens to the best of us, my dude

[civic palm]

“What the hell is going on?” ~ Sorcerer.
“You notice that the undead react to you when you say that. You watch as, simultaneously, every arm from every undead in your field of vision raises, their rotten hands pointing in the direction of what appears to be a derelict newspaper stand.” ~ DM.

[modest sinew]

I’m just hoping if that game fails I can find a dm willing to let me play as my weird lil eldritch fella

(He’s an eldritch being who failed his master and got turned mortal)

(Basically just a Normal pack of the old one warlock with some added flavor and that general fish out of water vibe)

Eldritch being stuck in a human body

I mean from their perspective that’s like being turned into an ant and I just love that idea

[civic palm]

“No! Bad Xlk’zr’Csaak! Go sit in the corner of that mortal’s soul until you learned what you did.”

[modest sinew]

father kicked me out of the far realms and now I’m a smelly mortal

[civic palm]

“Have you tried taking a bath?”

So, is your eldritch guy very gullible on mortal customs, or do they have a lot of wisdom?

[modest sinew]

They have been in the mortal realm for 1 whole year

And have mostly just been wandering aimlessly

He does not know sex exists and his current theory fir how mortals mortals reproduce by budding

and he has yet to understand a single joke

[vagrant quartz]

eventually hes gonna think that babies spawn when two people that love eachoter a lot kiss

like small children , or the stork ig

[civic palm]

“He has no sense of humor.”
“Mortals have a sense of humor? I was only aware of the five.”

[vagrant quartz]

hmmm

[fast sun]

I have a question if you cast invisibility on a werewolf will it turn into an invisible werewolf of will it turn into a man because moonlight doesn't shine on it anymore

[atomic kayak]

no

[empty thicket]

Saw that short, depend of teh DM. I wont test it out ngl

[vagrant quartz]

me too

[civic palm]

2024 allows them to transform as a bonus action, removing the moon requirement.

Though if the moon was needed, what’s stopping someone from just going inside to stop the werewolf? No moon there.

[modest sinew]

Also he spends almost all his money on sensory pleasures

Because in comparison to the far realm the mortal plane is so serene and put together that to stave off the constant feeling of under stimulation.

He spends his paychecks like on concert tickets and scented candles like or else he’s gonna rip someone in half just to feel comfortable.

[vagrant quartz]

furries whould 100% go after the werewolves to unlock the lycantrophy achivement

[empty thicket]

Can make the werewolves get bonus under full moon tho and debuffs under new moon

[vagrant quartz]

what happens under a blue moon

and all the other moon colors

[empty thicket]

there is lots of furry races so... minotaurs, this cat kind, kobolds, etc.

[empty thicket]

Pacify them, can still get their whole power but without the whole frenzy risk

and a red moon make them x10 times more aggresive

[civic palm]

Does he have a favorite band or genre?

[wanton sorrel]

pretty true

[vagrant quartz]

awww i thought they whould smell like strawberries

[modest sinew]

They don’t have a favorite band because they don’t bother to learn their names and just go from performance to performance.

But they are quite fond of classical…and the medieval equivalent of heavy metal

[umbral girder]

Did 2014 have a moon requirement? Last I checked it was just something they did.

Well if you were evil you can just do it as a werewolf

[civic palm]

Classical? Like… Ancient Greek music? If we’re talking Mozart or Beethoven they’re, like, right next door in 5e times.

[civic palm]

Not that I can tell, but it’s an action to swap instead of a bonus action.

[modest sinew]

I guess classical in this sense would be…ritualistic chanting

Wow that’s so old school (cave man noises)

[civic palm]

Pan flutes and lyres.

Human music might be too orderly. What about goblincore?

[empty thicket]

Na, isnt a plant, i can put other options but this arent SFW options too. Only in a +18 campaign would be possible.

[civic palm]

Goblincore music is like those garage bands who listen to themselves practice and get really energized, thinking they’ll go pro. They won’t; their instruments are all out of tune and they really suck besides.

The garage band that gets together to “practice” but ends up blitzed after thirty minutes.

[valid hatch]

Some people can't take a campaign seriously for their life lmao

[civic palm]

Any stories to tell?

[modest sinew]

You talkin bout us

Because I’m just answering their questions it’s not my fault they are asking the goofy ones

[vagrant quartz]

i like to be unserious unless its specifally stated that its a serious campaign

else i will crack jokes every sec

[valid hatch]

I don't think they are appropriate here😭

[vagrant quartz]

me when the bbeg is looking kinda....

[naive cedar]

i like campaigns with a serious story but jokes along the way

[valid hatch]

I'm in the middle of a session rn it's been getting very.... interesting

[civic palm]

Every character needs to have a silly moment. If you’re serious mc no-fun-haver 24/7, you have a chronic case of stick-in-the-mud-itis. It’s curable, but if it reaches the next stage of rod-up-the-tuchus, you’re cooked.

[umbral girder]

Borderlands 2 over Borderlands 3 style serious to comedy ratio for me

Fun and semi serious then you get smacked with a steel chair of emotion

[naive cedar]

i was thinking something along the lines of Fallout New Vegas where its a serious story but theres lots of fun to be had when its appropriatwe

[vagrant quartz]

i swear i laughed my aaah off reading this

[valid hatch]

I agree 100% but it gets to a point haha

[naive cedar]

i havent played borderlands so i cant comment on that

[civic palm]

True. You can only make so many “that’s what she said” jokes before someone pulls out a knife.

[naive cedar]

hot take but i find characters that can never take anything seriously and always need to be cracking jokes even while idk getting eaten by an elder brain more annoying than ultra serious characters

[lean wigeon]

dnd characters are not allowed to be serious

[civic palm]

At some point you need to ask why your character’s even travel king traveling with your friends, if they can’t take the adventure seriously.

[vagrant quartz]

i wanna be a travel princess

[naive cedar]

i agree but also. travel king

[vagrant quartz]

you get me

[naive cedar]

sorting my characters based on whether they're a travel king, travel queen, travel prince, or travel princess

[civic palm]

I will only ever cross out my mistakes when editing them. To do otherwise makes me seem hollow.

[naive cedar]

this is the kind of human spirit a robot can never replicate

[vagrant quartz]

they might also be a travel ruler

[civic palm]

What about the travel monarch for the non-binary?

[naive cedar]

true, although one can be any type of travel monarch regardless of gender

[vagrant quartz]

true

[naive cedar]

actually i think travel monarch is better for non-binary than travel ruler

[civic palm]

Quing.

[naive cedar]

what about the gender neutral version of travel prince/princess. travel heir?

[civic palm]

Travel Majesty.

[umbral girder]

Scion perhaps?

[naive cedar]

hmmm travel scion works

[civic palm]

You can be your Travel Monarchy all you want. I’ll stick with the proud and true Travel Serf.

Travel Noveau Riche.

[naive cedar]

that also works!!!

[vagrant quartz]

what about travel baron / baroness?

[civic palm]

Travel Feudalism.

[naive cedar]

you could also be a travel lord/lady

[sonic shuttle]

looking at dice, could someone explain the dice that has.. 10.. 20.. 30.. etc, the tens. I think I saw it in call of.. cathulu.. cath- nvm, it's when you roll like that dice and then 0-9 to get a number between 1 and 100 correct?
Also there are a set of 11 dice, is that just several like.. d6's or such?
And there is also a mini version, 10mm, I'm not sure how playable that is but seems cute

maybe this should've been in newcommers.. it's my first time looking at dice in years

[civic palm]

The d10k’s cousin, the d100.

It’s rolled in tandem with the d10, where the first number dictate’s the 20’s and the o5her, the 1’s.

Technically, it rolls between 0-99

[potent vector]

Double 00 = 100

[late oracle]

Yep, the one with 10, 20, etc are used together with the regular d10 in order to produce a number between 1-100 (reading 00 0 as 100). Sometimes called a d100 on its own, sometimes called a d100 when used with a d10. Correctly I think its called a percentile die?

Standard dice sets have
1d20
1d12
2d10 (one of which is percentile)
1d8
1d6
1d4

for a total of 7 dice.

[potent vector]

So 1-100

[civic palm]

Yeah, but you could do either if you want.

[sonic shuttle]

oh it is called d100, idk why i was thinking it wasn't, cause theres.. like a ball with all 100 numbers i think

[civic palm]

Technically it’s a d%0.

[sonic shuttle]

i see, it must be something you use rarely

[stark tundra]

Y'all how would beast boy work in dnd

[potent vector]

Yeah, rarely used though lol. More of a meme

[lean wigeon]

i've seen one. it's pretty gimmicky and kinda impractical imo. more of a novelty item

[crimson gulch]

yes, they take forever to roll

[potent vector]

Druid

[sonic shuttle]

second question bout the 11 set of dice, if you know bout it lmk

[modern steppe]

can i play dnd on my computer???

[late oracle]

The giant ball with all 100 numbers is the actual d100, but its rarely used, and the percentile is sometimes called a d100 since it produces the same effect

[crimson gulch]

yes, many folks do

[sonic shuttle]

i can imagine, i'd play dnd on a hill just to roll it down the hill and make players chase after it lol

[stark tundra]

Well yes but no because he can turn into things a druid can't

[modern steppe]

who do i play with? i have to go in 45 minutes

[stark tundra]

Mainly because he can turn into multiple circles

[potent vector]

Like?

[crimson gulch]

https://discord.com/channels/516367331358801950/1070720656917938227 you can look for a party here, but most games are booked in advance and dont happen at the drop of a hat

[stark tundra]

A fish a bear and a T-Rex

All are part of different circles

[small heath]

Why dont many campaigns/parties reach lvl 20?

[lean wigeon]

it is very interesting to see how people new to tabletop perceive the hobby

[potent vector]

Druids can be fish, and T rex if you take the 9th level Shape change spell iirc

And your DM allows it ofc

[lean wigeon]

1. requires alot of commitment
2. most modules only go up to 13

[potent vector]

Which is rare

[umbral girder]

No clue. I’ve had a dozen parties reach level 20

[crimson gulch]

it takes a lot of skill on the DM's part to do it. I have done it 6 times now

[small heath]

Are you like fighting gods at that point?

[umbral girder]

Xp levels players up so much faster than Milestone I’ve learned

[lean wigeon]

no

[potent vector]

Demigods more like it

[umbral girder]

More their avatars than their gods.

[crimson gulch]

i have done that a bunch yes

[naive cedar]

level 20 is super difficult to balance

[umbral girder]

Nah it really isn’t

[late oracle]

huge time commitment. Requires planning from the onset to have that kind of longevity. Balance gets trickier. Did i mention huge time commitment?

[potent vector]

I mean, it's not balanced. It's more like it's difficult to make fun

[naive cedar]

i mean you have to be fighting like. demigods

[crimson gulch]

nah, balance is the same, the adventuring day and the EXP budget for encounters

[umbral girder]

People just refuse to use the RAW stuff in the book like food, water, 24 hour wait on long rests, and 8 encounters a day.

[civic palm]

I mean it’s the capstone for a reason. You aren’t exactly meant to get much stronger.

[potent vector]

17th level balance goes out the window and it just becomes if you can keep the game fun

[crimson gulch]

this guy gets it

[naive cedar]

i think i was using the term balance incorrectly i mean its hard to make fun

[crimson gulch]

also no, its very fun

[umbral girder]

Except there is further progression past level 20

[umbral girder]

Also incorrect

[civic palm]

Epic Boons and treasures, correct?

[umbral girder]

Yep!

After level 20 your xp becomes more feats and boons

[naive cedar]

shrug

[potent vector]

Not to mention bastions now, which are hilariously fun

[crimson gulch]

my first home game hit level 20 after 2 years, and then we kept playing for another year after that point

[civic palm]

Progression, yes, but in 2014, they weren’t that game-changing.

[potent vector]

You can make Howl's moving castle now lol

[umbral girder]

In 2014 you could take your ability score to 30 after level 20

[modern steppe]

should i be a player or a master first

[civic palm]

Just get a billion times tomes, easy.

[potent vector]

Player

[modern steppe]

is there a way to make campaigns only 45 ish minutes?

[crimson gulch]

i started being a dungeon master after one session as a player, everyone starts with zero exp on their sheet either way

45 minuts is not really enough time for a session at all

[umbral girder]

Nope!

[crimson gulch]

2.5 to 3 hours is my usual session time

[umbral girder]

In 2014 the cap was changed to 30 and you could get extra ASI

[small heath]

My average session is usually 3 hours 12 minutes (I did the math recently)

[severe rampart]

2-3 hours are usually the length of sessions

[late oracle]

the reason i think balance is trickier is because players have so many more tools and resources at higher levels that it becomes more difficult to properly burn party resources, even using a lot of encounters.

[naive cedar]

yeah theres a reason why there arent a lot of level 20 campaigns

[umbral girder]

I can see 1 hour sessions working

[modern steppe]

what about 1 minute?

[severe rampart]

Baphomet beckons for us

[late oracle]

You cant just do the simple slugfest of t1 as effectively

[lean wigeon]

i just cannot see anything being done in that little time

[crimson gulch]

the main thing is as a DM you need to be prepared to pivot, if they use wall of force to block off a group of monsters, they still got more mosters in the other direction

[naive cedar]

what about one second

[umbral girder]

I’ve done an adventure in 1 hour with people before.

[small heath]

What would you guys say is the "sweet spot" of lvls to end a campaign in, in your opinion?

[potent vector]

What Abt a millisecond

[lean wigeon]

13

[naive cedar]

what about a nanosecond

[severe rampart]

12 or so

[modern steppe]

@naive cedar copied me

[modern steppe]

nano of a nanosecond

[naive cedar]

no u

[umbral girder]

Actually that session was fun. I basically did 3 adventures in 3 hours.

[small heath]

picosecond

[civic palm]

I want to play a Loxodon Rogue. People will never address the elephant in the room if I have something to say about it.

[naive cedar]

millinanosecond

[potent vector]

15 (I hate getting cut off from Ranger capstone right before I get it)

[modern steppe]

Picosecond 😉

[late oracle]

yea, stuff like this is part of what i consider more difficult, balance-wise. Because if concentration drops on that wall of force, suddenly theres more monsters than originally planned. So you have to be careful just taking all those monsters blocked by wall of force and dropping copies in a different direction.

Edit: this meant to reply to the wall of force comment

[umbral girder]

The 2024 DMG showed how to do 1 hour adventures in Chapter 2 last I checked.

[naive cedar]

picolosecond

[modern steppe]

There's a elephant in your room????

[naive cedar]

sorry piccolo im a fake dragon ball fan 😭

[small heath]

Is it justified to fireball my paladin who is constantly making blasphemous comments about my sorcerer's deity he follows?

[civic palm]

They get sad when ignored. Someone has to address them.

[modern steppe]

sorry elephant 🐘

[potent vector]

If this is a joke question, absolutely, if this a serious one, please don't friendly fire without party consent

[lean wigeon]

this is how you get reprimanded on the table

[naive cedar]

tbf if the player is taking it to unfun levels its probably best to talk to the dm

[small heath]

Its a half joke (we are very close friends irl, the whole party and are playing our characters well)

[umbral girder]

But yeah the 2024 DMG does give little rough estimates to make encounters last, you can get a lot done in an hour.

[severe rampart]

I like the part where the human fighter had to grapple me out of the room so I wouldn't kill the kobold guard, because the kobold guard made a fart joke.

[crimson gulch]

PVP is bad, dont do it

[umbral girder]

It was actually something from the 4th edition DMG they added

[burnt valley]

It should be fine, they are half martial after all

[small heath]

My sorcerer so far has been this kobold with a short temper and gets annoyed easily, but tries to make the group laugh when he has the chance.

[empty thicket]

true, but if one of the party is literally evil chaotic and the rest of the party get in problems for him, what other solution is there?
Will try talking, if dont work, welp, what is left?

[crimson gulch]

the solution is for the DM to set the expectation that the team is a team

[civic palm]

Define blasphemous. Like, mentioning the Lord’s name in vain, or calling your god a hock hick that couldn’t tell a mule from his wife?

[small heath]

Well we had a situation in our campaign where one of our PCs were kidnapped by the BBEG and plans to use them against us as an upcoming battle that we don't know when it'll happen. So that's something we are partially paranoid about.

(The player and the DM apparently had this planned for a while)

[severe rampart]

It could be any of us... it could even be YOU

[small heath]

Oh the guy already got taken and replaced by a different PC. But we all know the original will returned pretty powerful and buffed.

[small heath]

Uh... 80-20 on that.

[empty thicket]

yep, but even the DM recognize that if one is pulling in the wrong side, even aligning with the bad guys of the story and almost sacrificing one of the team.
(like, we have a "Plot intervention" where if one of us will die we get suddenly helped and saved, BUT ONLY ONE TIME in the story and i lost mine because that guy left me and dragged the other 2 from a bossfight)

[civic palm]

Ahem. *Jeez, autocorrect. It’s been getting aggressively worse, lately.

[umbral girder]

Autocorrect has been getting aggressive for me as well. Neat.

[empty thicket]

Again, the guy is getting friends with the bad guys of the story, its part of a faction that is bad too, almost Sacrificed me.
I have more than enough reasons to literally put a ventilation in her robotic brain.
I will talk it out, if not, what is left?

If the person choose to be a bad in the bads guys side completely, i cant stop it, the consequence of it is me making it realize that.

[small heath]

The ironic part with what I've explained so far, the only thing that really the paladin and my sorcerer kobold agreed upon is that the moment we see our old PC again, we're killing him on sight.

Technically they're no longer in our party anymore since they sided with the BBEG.

[crimson gulch]

this needs an intervention to stop it from castcading further into chaos

[empty thicket]

(still i asked the DM if he can make that boss be some sort of Nemesis against me, like resident evil 3. That from time to time we would had encounters with it and we can run or fight him, not being able to kill it until a serious point of the story.)

[devout plume]

other than XGtE and TCoE what 5e 2014 ruleset official modules adds more to bards

not just spells either

[empty thicket]

Yep, its why i will try to talk it out, but again.
The person choose the bad guys side, what is the consequence of it?

[crimson gulch]

player behavior is not addressed with in game consequenses, it needs to be adressed above the table

[empty thicket]

oh yeah, its what im going to do and already did, in next session will try to talk with her and convince her to stop being so... "dangerous".
If not, yeah, i understand is a team game. But if one decide to dont go with the team and even trying it wont....Welp....

[devout plume]

imo siding with the villain is not "bad player behavior"

[crimson gulch]

if they are betraying the rest of the party, it sure is

[crimson gulch]

i have removed players from games for things like this, works great when someone wont play nice with others

[small heath]

I think it isn't if it's justified by character, by story, and it's reasonable. Ultimately, how it'll be executed will play an important manner.

[devout plume]

again i dont particularly see a problem with that and it makes for great roleplaying

[crimson gulch]

PVP and player betrayal tears tables apart

[devout plume]

exactly

[lean wigeon]

if your character sides with the villain i'm turning your character into an NPC

[empty thicket]

Its literally that, siding with the literally Bad guys dogs kickers and idk, villains that put sugar in your fries. If the player decide that then it turn into a villain. Isnt a problem above the table, is in the table.

again, will try to talk with her and make her drop the villain act. If not work, welp her choice and choices have consequences.
We cant just let things slide honestly too.

[small heath]

Well in my party's case, with what happened to us, our PC got mind controlled/fell victim to the BBEG's influence throughout the last few months when we ran into him as a reoccurring threat.

Apparently they were doing some hidden magic/tricks and we were failing random perception and insight roles our DM had us do occasionally.

[empty thicket]

If there is no consequences to acting like a bad guy, then its just dumb.

[devout plume]

ive actually done a few campaigns where ive had one player secretly working with the big bad and start a pvp in the final fight it was very climatic and there was lots of feelings when the others found out was great for roleplaying

[empty thicket]

But that is secretly, you can make the players make bonds with the party and finally betray the bad guys, make a whole arc of redemption and more.
I got already betrayed, for such thing, i could put the consequences for it.

[devout plume]

oh no there was absolutely 0 redemption arc lol the one that joined the bad guy either died or tpked the party

i actually had the party climb their way back thru avernus

[crimson gulch]

i had a player once shock the table by trying that out of nowhere. they went over to the villan and said they were on their side. the villan did not trust them and said prove it and gave them a potion to drink.

they died

[devout plume]

for one final fight

[empty thicket]

And honestly, some PvP depending of the context can be good, dont do a full general on it.
Some sparring can make them understand each other more, fighting because words dont work, etc. etc.
Lethal PVP must be a thing if there is reasons for it, betrayal, things building up until exploding or more.

[devout plume]

atp i wouldve thrown the potion at the party instead

[lean wigeon]

i have personally never been a fan of withholding information from the players

[devout plume]

i ran 2 or 3 full pvp allowed tables they were pretty chill

[civic palm]

If I ever do that whole double cross bit with my character, it’ll be a triple cross in disguise. “I have seen the benefits of your plan, and compared to the rest of these buffoons, working with you will be more apt in the long term.” Casts haste, drops concentration when they run into my party.

DND is cooperative storytelling, not a game with a sole winner.

[jaunty wyvern]

The only times I’ve ever had pvp come up during campaigns were in “its what my character would do” situations and it just ruins morale at the table

[devout plume]

the thing about pvp is even when its allowed it doesnt seem to happen as often as people think unless you have a shmurderhobo

[civic palm]

PvP aside from friendly sparring, you mean?

[devout plume]

but then thats actually an above table kick em out of the group deal

[devout plume]

yep full on combat