dnd-discussion

[limber trail]

Things are never as bad as you think they are

[timid current]

Bloodline - everyone has good and bad days, just talk to them and let them know you were frustrated and that you'd like to work at having fun together again

[remote wadi]

Meaning?

[limber trail]

Just talk to them tomorrow, things will be fine

[remote wadi]

Again, they went to sleep. Can't do much except wait

[limber trail]

Yeah just talk to them tomorrow

[remote wadi]

But it's hard not to beat myself up over it. Not in a great headspace, and you're seeing the results of me trying to fix that

[minor cargo]

A few weeks ago, one of our players got really discouraged during a fight. They skipped their turn and then turned off their camera to cry a little before coming back.

It was mostly internal stuff but the external stuff (the combat) made it worse.

Afterwards (like after the game - like the next day), we talked about it. Basically there weren’t any hurt feelings anymore, but there were at the time. After talking about it, the weight lifted and we were ready to play again.

I don’t know the details of your situation, but here’s hoping it’s similar!

[remote wadi]

I guess we will have to wait and see

[glass granite]

Indeed

[remote wadi]

Still doesn't make me feel less crappy about it all, though

[glass granite]

When there is little you can do, do what little you can. And if there is nothing you can do, do something else, or nothing at all.

[timid current]

social anxiety can be a big huge thing to deal with - second guessing yourself, re-examining your words and behaviour, feeling inadequate or negative. but everyone gets these feelings - the good news is they're almost always overexagerrated. give yourself a break, your frustration is valid, and there is no reason it has to compound and make the rest of your day worse.

[remote wadi]

I suppose

[timid current]

it's going to be alright. just a rough bit in your hobby - I get it, we play these games for fun and sometimes the dice can conspire against that

[remote wadi]

But if this does turn out to be Murphy's Law striking yet again, it'll be hard to recover from that downpour

[timid current]

I promise you it's going to be better

even if there are more bad rolls. it's going to be fine

[remote wadi]

Whatever...

[timid current]

exactly! bad rolls? whatever. bad night? whatever. tomorrow's a new day

[remote wadi]

Well, now you know why I relegate myself to being the tactician and manager outside the campaign

[timid current]

you're the one running the plays on the little vhs seeing how the other team scored

[remote wadi]

A lot less places to get screwed over because I am reminded once again Lady Luck has enough hate to give A.M. a run for his money

[remote wadi]

More like a bad week. Or several

[timid current]

been there. it took til my thirties before I realised I could lean on my friends in those times

[glass granite]

Also have been through some rough splotches. Usually I distract myself by doing things I love.

Or at least doing something

One time it was reading, another it was DnD, another it was dumping hours of time into prep/worldbuilding. Fantasy helps cope.

[timid current]

but also like, give yourself some grace. getting tilted happens to everyone. it can be frustrating and embarassing, but we all go through it. the dice are the dice, after all

[glass granite]

That’s what dice jail is for /light-hearted

[karmic jay]

yess im finally back

[reef copper]

Eat the dice so the other dice live in fear

Idk i heard someone actually did that

[karmic jay]

dnd with edible dice is tuff

good idea

[reef copper]

Im not talking edible dice here

[stiff rock]

i usually just suffer the consequences of eating inedible dice when i roll nat 1s

[timid current]

the only good thing about eating your die is that you're going to have a few hours to think about what you did before you start to feel the consequences

[karmic jay]

dawg

[remote wadi]

This is the opposite of a power move, but I am too poor to afford a dice set to send said dice to jail

[timid current]

I'll jail some of mine in your honor

[stiff rock]

scrape up some clay and make your own dice

just so you can jail them

[karmic jay]

i used to have a 100 die but idk where it went

[knotty pasture]

Halflings continue to be a bad luck person's spirit race

[stiff rock]

i ran a game for a halfling and oh my god it was insane how many rerolls they got

definitely one of the stronger racial features

[reef copper]

Strong feature mid race i would say

[knotty pasture]

Imo they're right at the middle viability wise

[reef copper]

Although i dont know the 2024 races that well. Most here seem to know 24

In 2014 i would say satyr probably is the best

[knotty pasture]

I thought it was always Variant Human

Well, Variant Human being the representative at least, there's a few races sitting at the v top

[reef copper]

Its above mid but depends on level. Low level play makes human variant a lot better

[timid current]

best is always going to be subjective, there are likely best (at a given optimization metric) and best (at a given character concept), but nothing really hits everything, and even then it's going to be up for intepretation and preference

[reef copper]

Yes

[remote wadi]

I indirectly hate those sorts of races and feats

Mostly because the more this bull crap happens, the more I feel like I have to play DnD by needing as few rolls from or against myself as possible

[knotty pasture]

Yeah unconditional flight races are only op if no one goes melee (not a common sentiment in non optimization tables)

[rough basalt]

And also depends on the dms monster usage

[knotty pasture]

You were also not using every tool in your case (if at all)

[rough basalt]

If they're only using the 2014 MM as written, permaflight can be broken

[knotty pasture]

There's very basic luck based builds that focus on buffing your base luck to the max at least

[timid current]

it's alright to like or dislike a thing

[knotty pasture]

I can see a Halfling Soulknife Rogue being impossible to fail any roll that comes at them

Or Halfling Eloquence Bard

[timid current]

I need to try to sleep. hey Bloodline, I hope your luck turns around. and don't beat yourself up about being frustrated.
night everyone

[chilly narwhal]

I’ve had plenty of times where my character rolls abysmally, and my strategy is usually to have my character hold everyone’s stuff in battle or shield or buff. Bad luck can become good fun with humor and flexibility

[rough basalt]

Ye depending on what you're playing bad luck can be off-set

[umbral cliff]

I was wonder why people here think..

[rough basalt]

But bad luck can be pretty debilitating

It's always better to just roll better

[chilly narwhal]

And a battle gone wrong can be funny. If my rogue is unable to succeed at anything, I have them become the bag holder or have them grab something while the party is holding the battle

[umbral cliff]

Im doing an elden ring campaign for my players and i made a map that they can use to help navigate the world, turns out they use the tokens to move around on the map ofcourse to make it easier to remember, but is it a good idea to use a world map in this way?

[chilly narwhal]

I’d recommend discussing this in a dm channel for thorough conversation and not getting buried

[rough basalt]

Of course

[umbral cliff]

True smart

[rough basalt]

My Monday game is a hexcrawl where there's a token on the "world" map that represents the PCs

[umbral cliff]

Yea im doing a similar thing, before moving to scenes or "battlemaps" and such

Just thinking maybe its too "game-ified"

[chilly narwhal]

I think it depends on why you play. I play to have fun and go on an adventure with my friends, so I love when things are going off course or we have to improvise

[rough basalt]

Not necessarily

To the gamified comment

[umbral cliff]

The little issue i have is that, they see things on the map that looks like a location of interest, maybe a cave entrance. That has nothing to do with any of their goals but loot potential so they go check it out

I dont mind myself but im curious what others think

[chilly narwhal]

Oh, sorry I wasn’t replying to your message!!

I probably should have been more clear lol

[umbral cliff]

Ahh gotcha!

[rough basalt]

I mean, hey, if they wanna go on a side quest isn't that the point of a sandbox?

[umbral cliff]

Fair point!

[remote wadi]

For this most recent event, I did everything in my power

[knotty pasture]

You didn't, did you pack Enhance Ability and use it on yourself

[reef copper]

Simple answer is Entropy

[knotty pasture]

Someone on the team should also have Guidance in general but that's partially out of your control

[chilly narwhal]

I think because my brain is too small to use telepathy

I don’t minmax, but I agree that there’s usually something you can do/someway to still enjoy the campaign. And if there isn’t, just play a different campaign

[umbral cliff]

Entropy whats that

[stark arch]

what kind of tool profinecy would you need to grind down charcoal into powder?

[reef copper]

You could remove map icons and just show where they are on a map

[reef copper]

Its a result of the laws of physics that make things happen in simple terms

[umbral cliff]

I suppose but a bit of work that is

[umbral cliff]

Is there any? wouldnt just a bowl and something blunt work

[reef copper]

Grinder i guess. You can have tools that dont exist in the rules

[chilly narwhal]

I’ve accidentally crushed charcoal before so probably none

[reef copper]

Fair point

[stark arch]

i had a idea to have skeletons in a carriage to make gunpowder for me 24/7 they just need to do the grinding part for me why me as the alchemist does the final mixing part

[remote wadi]

Again, this most recent event. Which was me taking on some tutorial boss in an unrelated place and campaign, but still failed miserable

[chilly narwhal]

I love this idea. I actually think it’s really interesting to have a small organization of minions lol

I think that’s a really cool idea. Would you mind if I use inspiration from that idea for my own campaign?

[reef copper]

All fun and games until the paladin finds your necromancy gunpowder factory

[chilly narwhal]

That’s the best part! Final boss is me

[stark arch]

sure 😛

[reef copper]

Whats the gunpowder for?

[stark arch]

cannons or suicide skeleton bombers 😄

[reef copper]

XD

[chilly narwhal]

I want an organization of random thieves/random encounters that I kidnap and make do my bidding

[stark arch]

turn them into zombies they always do your bidding

[chilly narwhal]

I’ll steal every left shoe in the realm! Nobody will be safe (except me and my minions)

[chilly narwhal]

But then what if they eat me??

I’ll pay them and ask for their consent after kidnapping them and explaining my evil plans

[stark arch]

they dont eat your if you use animate dead spell

they do eat you if you use control undead on a wight and he dies and he got zombies with him...

i actualy wonder what a empty small keg cost a normal barrel cost 2 gp

[chilly narwhal]

That’s a good point, thank you master of evil, connoisseur of devilish plots, wicked schemer, rudolf

[stark arch]

i got 2 character 1 is necromancer wizard human lvl 5 other one is lvl 3 paladin oath breaker reborn race. both fun to play. paladin started with armor of the fallen gives me animate undead at lvl 3

with control undead i can cheese animate dead a bit

[reef copper]

Do you know syl from stormlight archive? Because thats you right now. Always messing with peoples shoes

[reef copper]

I get the feeling you like necromancy a lot

[stark arch]

yep specialy i love heroes of might and magic 3 necropolis faction

[reef copper]

My paladin would knock down your door where he not killed by a nobleman.

And also in the same crystal sphere and what not :3

[stark arch]

?

hope ur good in saving throws my save DC is prety high 😉

[reef copper]

He is lawful good and follows a god of law

Or did rather. Rip

[stark arch]

first cast blinding on ya 😛 than start using mold earth to dig you in haha

[reef copper]

Mean 😢
But he has quite good saves. Around +8 average i would think but depends on what he saves for

[stark arch]

wat lvl is he ?

[reef copper]

15 or something i think he died at. So he had his aura up with +5

[stark arch]

oh im 5

[reef copper]

Yeah i imagine it would not be a fair fight

[stark arch]

here for fun make a Constitution saving throw save dc 15

[sly hollow]

im playing an online dnd 1shot that meant for 3-5 level one player, but itll just be me, do i play a level 3 character? or soomething else?

[reef copper]

He would beat it most of the time. Think he would have a average of 18-19

Asi go brrr

[stark arch]

go with 5 more fun if alone

[sly hollow]

do you mean i play a level 5 character?

[stark arch]

yea

[sly hollow]

ok

[stark arch]

i would go with necromancer class and make skellies you outnumber ur foes

real fun with 8 12 or 16 skeletons

gear them up with beter gear and weapons to make them harder

[reef copper]

Make a portable hole for them

[pliant sapphire]

Your turn will last 1 hour at least

[stark arch]

digital dice roler. makes it fast

[reef copper]

Nah i guess the turn is fast, probably 50% longer or so

[stark arch]

real fun starts when you can get allot of wands of magic missiles 😄

[reef copper]

Waaaait are they capable of this

[stark arch]

i would probaly take reborn race. necromancer lvl 5 not sure if you can start with magic items. and take tool feats and craft wands of magic missiles. and go crazy

[sly hollow]

im new but do you mean the wizard subclass?

[stark arch]

yes

2014 rules

[sly hollow]

ok

is there somewhere that i can make a character (like dnd beyond) without owning any books?

[tawdry sentinel]

Pen, paper, and a positive can do attitude.

[sly hollow]

oh

ok

[tawdry sentinel]

Someone who owns the stuff on beyond can also book share it to you.

But there's nowhere especially convenient.

[stark arch]

ask your dm ?

[sly hollow]

i dont have one, its a solo campaign

[sly hollow]

i know one other person but he has like one book

[tawdry sentinel]

Library probably has them

[stark arch]

how are you running this solo campaign? trough ai tool?

how does that work?

[sly hollow]

you like go through catagories, like game rules (dnd, warhammer, etc) price and more and theres just a bunch of things you can download

[stark arch]

ok

i would pay for actual dnd game that ist bulders gate

[tawdry sentinel]

Solasta

[sly hollow]

im a student so i cant really buy much

[stark arch]

does that follow E5 rules and all subclasses?

[pliant sapphire]

5e 2014 SRD

Solasta II will follow 2024 SDR

[tawdry sentinel]

It has different subclasses and a lot of the feats are different.

But it is arguably closer to DND combat than Baldur's gate is.

Outside of combat is a bit eh, though.

[short glade]

I’ll just throw out the Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous is very good and cheap. Might scratch the itch.

[sly hollow]

ive never played a spellcaster before, can anyone help me

[stark arch]

i see in solasta wizard doest have necromancer subclass 🙁

[uncut aurora]

Hey @analog narwhal

[short glade]

Sure I can. What do you need to know bout it?

[sly hollow]

#character-discussion someones helping me here, you can also if you want

[tawdry sentinel]

I wasn't a fun of being murdered by spider swarms I couldn't run away from. 😅

[thin orchid]

Yo guys

I live in india and just looking for a dnd group

Does anyone have open space or smth

[cosmic roost]

Ready to play Dungeons & Dragons?

Visit #find-a-game for everything you need to start your search, including:

• Instructions for finding a game here on the server (including how to post in our #looking-for channels).
• Suggestions for finding a game outside of this server.
• Basic advice to help you in your hunt.

[wraith charm]

Herro

[short glade]

Good morning.

[stoic haven]

Mornin

[small heath]

You know, I'm still a novice at D&D, but after some discussion and research,

why the heck is Barbarian a broken class?

Why would anyone ever want to go a different class than Barbarian? I'm genuinely curious.

[short glade]

I play Barbarian all the time. Enough to say I specialize in it.
Why do you feel it is broken?

[rough basalt]

It's not broken.

In 2014 it's one of the weaker options, and 2024 it's pretty good, but not broken.

[small heath]

I want an argument on how the Barbarian class is balanced because I don't really see any weakness with the amount of subclass features and action bonuses it can do.

Please inform me.

[rough basalt]

Every class has subclasses, actions and bonus actions

[small heath]

Why would I want to go fighter over Barbarian.

[lyric viper]

Feats

ASI. More feet.

[rough basalt]

Cause Fighter has more weapon variety, feats, and is a short rest class

And more attacks

[humble cairn]

This .. is perhaps not the most useful metric since everyone has fun differently.

I don't know why you would want to go Fighter over Barbarian. If you like Barbarian play Barbarian. Everyone else should also play the class they find fun.

[ebon silo]

Going full barbarian on 2024 is actually viable

[reef copper]

In 2024 i think fighter is better than barbarian unlike 2014

[rough basalt]

I think 2014 Fighter is better than barb

[ebon silo]

Fighters is like bacon it goes good on everything

[reef copper]

Depends on if you look on dmg or party survival

[ebon silo]

Weird analogy i know but u get it

[rough basalt]

Well a barb can't help with party survival reliably, only their own

[humble cairn]

If you wanted to play an archer, Fighter is certainly better than Barbarian.

[humble cairn]

Uhh .. World Tree and Ancestors Barbs do great at helping their team survive.

[rough basalt]

Talking 2014 so ancestral yeah

Still that's a subclass, not every barb

[reef copper]

If you realy feel that way there is atleast ancestral guardian

Noticed you just said that. My discord did not update

[rough basalt]

Its also only one target so while it's certainly helpful, it's no golden goose

Best part about it is that it's part of your rage, and just happens and not an individual resource

Tho admittedly my point came from an assumption they meant going Bear and just "taking all the damage for my party" which we know the issues with

[knotty pasture]

Barb w/rage > Fighter > Barb w/o rage to put it roughly

Barb's also a bit more flavorful to build a backstory with

[reef copper]

Bear is good if you have a dm that liked to spread out damage or if you’re more interested in the nature aspect.

Or want to be the one to live the longest

[humble cairn]

• Melee focus is inherently more risky
• Str and Con are the least useful Utility Abilities, Skill Utility on Barbs in 2024 depend on their limited Rage resource
• Mental saving throw deficiency
  I would say those are balancing factors that make it so that Barbarians are certainly not everything in every situation and need partymates ... like every class.

[reef copper]

I feel bad for barbarians in 2024

Everything turned into force damage

[humble cairn]

Why? I've played one, they're really fun!

[tame estuary]

eh?

[pliant sapphire]

They need some mental protection

[knotty pasture]

Barb's probably the second weakest class for the record

[rough basalt]

BPS is still more prevalent than force tbh

[knotty pasture]

Even in casual play its littered with issues

I love Barb too for the record but you really feel the difference when you play other classes

[pliant sapphire]

Fighters are very well protected with Indomitable

[rough basalt]

2024 anyway

2014 Indom is a meme cause of how often you'd reroll worse

[short glade]

Barbarian is mostly a one trick pony (it’s a damn good trick admittedly), but it’s not got much utility, crowd control, or range usually.

Your will save usually isn’t very good so anything with a will save can take you out and sometimes even make you attack your party which isn’t good.

Your only social option is usually intimidation which is fun but limited, and even then you might not actually be the best at it.

The flavor isn’t everybody’s cup of tea.

[tame estuary]

the flavor is good, it's mallable

sometimes it feels as if it's designed that barbarians are able to be mind controlled and be turned on the party you know

[thin orchid]

Guys is cleric good

[hot gate]

Sure, it's a fun and flexible class.

[short glade]

Yes, it’s good because of the things it does for the party.

Clerics imo are boring but they enable their parties to crazy degrees.

[thin orchid]

Ok

Btw anyone in india looking for a dm or player

[robust dragon]

Clerics prevent TPKs and salvage combats. Great batteries.

[thin orchid]

What is tpk

Sry I am new

[robust dragon]

Total party kill

[thin orchid]

Ohh

[robust dragon]

No need to apologize for being new mate.

[reef copper]

Clerics are very well versed. They can basically fill any roll

[thin orchid]

W

[reef copper]

I think like half of them have heavy armor proficiency too

[thin orchid]

Ok nice

[humble cairn]

In the new rules any Cleric can have that as a choice at level 2.

[reef copper]

Oh, did not know that

[humble cairn]

You choose between armor and weapon profs or extra cantrips and bonuses to two knowledge Skills.

[reef copper]

Nice option actually

I guess armor is not subclass related then

[humble cairn]

Ah well, one extra cantrip.

[pliant sapphire]

Level one

[humble cairn]

Correct, my mistake.

[keen kestrel]

Since you don’t get a subclass until level 3 in 2024, this is the case yes

[stiff rock]

I love playing less combat-centered characters because what do you mean i speak 7 languages

and play the fiddle

[woeful heart]

guys what does leveling up do

[reef copper]

I love bard rogue and sometimes combining them

[stiff rock]

gives your character more abilities

[reef copper]

Look at your class

You always get health atleast

[stiff rock]

I took ranger and accidentally get proficiency in like every language because of my race/class matchup

[humble cairn]

The answer lies HERE in the free rules, explaining the very basics is a bit beyond the purpose of this channel, so maybe go to #dnd-newcomers with very very basic questions. Edit: I thought we were in character discussion, but my point still kinda stands.

[reef copper]

Ranger is also a bit of a skill character. I just keep forgetting about it

[stiff rock]

I've never played it before but i'm looking forward to it

[humble cairn]

Oh I'm having tons of fun on my Ranger!

[umbral girder]

It’s a pretty fun class!

I like playing it as the Back up to most people’s jobs in the party.

[stiff rock]

i've only ever played a barbarian above level 3 so i'm looking forward to anything else lol

i've framed mine as a bit of a damage dealer around hunter's mark but i've plenty of proficiencies and supporting spells too

[ebon silo]

Barbarian sorcerer

[empty thicket]

both with wild magic

[stiff rock]

wild magic barbarian was FUN

i will never not enjoy wild magic

[ebon silo]

I was talking about barbarian path of the muscle wizard

[stiff rock]

lmao

[ebon silo]

And yes it does exist

[empty thicket]

i would like to play a sorc wild magic just for the kinda gambling on it

[stiff rock]

one of my players spawned a unicorn on wild magic last session and it almost killed them

[thin orchid]

Super idol

[reef copper]

Poor unicorn being manifested in a war zone XD

[umbral girder]

Unicorns are Cr4 so are a little beefy (also a Legendary monster)

[stiff rock]

it was genuinely one of the funniest fights i've ran

[empty thicket]

Oh yeah, the funny unicorn spawning out of nowhere in hte middle of the battle.
I would be seeing each other between the enemies and me like "What the F&%@ is this? how there is an unicorn here?"

[stiff rock]

so this is gonna make my campaign sound so dumb, but they were fighting a bread golem

so you can imagine how insane it was that a unicorn hopped through a portal into the frey

[empty thicket]

na, i like that creativity ngl.
I think golems are one of those creatures you could make into a million of things

[stiff rock]

context was a baker-in-training tried to use some magic to animate the bread into kneading itself lol

[empty thicket]

Neat, funny for me

Will see someday a Cheese golem

[stiff rock]

wallace and gromit x d&d

[empty thicket]

Maaaybe, i would say more a school that its full of wizards and stuff but all of them cook.

[humble cairn]

Hunter's Mark is decent at low levels, but quickly gets some competition.

[stiff rock]

we're 4th level so yeah i probably will have a look at better options when i have access

but i think 2d8+1d6+6 is pretty good for an attack at 4th level

[empty thicket]

2014 or 2024?

[humble cairn]

Probably both but I'm speaking from 2024 experience.

It's probably not as decent in 2014 considering you don't get it for free.

[soft hare]

Pop quiz
It is a monster that targets humans
And deaf people are the first to see it

[humble cairn]

Yeah it kind of depends on what subclass you took.

[stiff rock]

horizon walker but using the 2024 core ranger stuff

[empty thicket]

mmmm.... okey, i ask because in 2024 it get a lot of features the hunters mark and the class work more around it.
Something i dont find appealing at all but between that and.... Favored Enemy// Natural Explorer....welp...

[empty thicket]

False hydra(?)

[stiff rock]

yeah i hear 2024 is a lot more centered around hunter's mark

[soft hare]

Correctamundo

[humble cairn]

Ehh, it's not as much as people make it sound, but certainly more than 2014 since it replaces Favored Enemy.

[knotty pasture]

Favored Enemy and Natural Explorer is so bad that the optional class features for them are so much better

Favored Enemy relies on metagaming to bring out its full power

[humble cairn]

I prefer Favored Enemy to Tasha's Favored Foe.

[knotty pasture]

And could just fall apart if the campaign has a bunch of different enemy types

[humble cairn]

Tasha's Favored Foe is mechanically fine but just bores the spit out of me.

Favored Enemy could at least get you languages, which is what I mainly used it for.

[empty thicket]

Its good that now is force damage, i feel its a shame that upcast it dont give you or more damage or an extra.

[umbral girder]

Should be noted those 2 features were notably added to levels where 2014 had No Class features

[humble cairn]

But having given Favored Enemy a good ole try, I will say it was poorly designed and led to a pretty negative gameplay experience.

[umbral girder]

It’s only advantage is that it has no action requirement, besides that it’s just worse than Hunter’s Mark in all angles

[humble cairn]

They weren't even the worst of the Ranger '14 features, though. That honor goes to Primeval Awareness.

[empty thicket]

2 features that the chances of you using it unless you go for literally a General (Forest, undead and beasts) are low, welp.
Its having 1million bucks in an island in the middle of nowhere. You have it, but for?

[humble cairn]

Primeval Awareness is hot garbage of an ability. It doesn't give you any actual usable information and wastes a spell slot doing it. Making it worse than useless. The cherry on top is that it got actively worse in your Favored Terrain.

[umbral girder]

Favored Foe being smaller damage dice, only Once per round, cannot be moved to another target, only lasted 1 minute, Still concentration.

Replacing Favored Foe with Hunter’s Mark uses was a nice flat buff

[humble cairn]

"There is at least one creature that is from at least one of seven creature types within one mile of you."

"Is there .."
"YES"
"But .."
"YES"

[jovial shadow]

Where does it say Hunter's mark is only once per round? I only see everytime you hit.

[humble cairn]

"Which .. !"
"YES"

[umbral girder]

I could maaaaaybe see it good with a hex crawl

Being able to triangulate the monster’s camps/locations

[stiff rock]

i was thinking of swapping to 2014's ranger just for primeval awareness, as a lot of the campaign the character is for involves celestials

[empty thicket]

The lvl 13 feature of dont breaking concentration on hunters mark i love it.
Still would say some feature making the Hunters mark damage get upgraded would be nice, can easily turn it into a Cantrip for that specific class so while you level up like a hunter it can get level ups

[humble cairn]

The feature can't tell the difference between seven vampire lords in the same room as you and one mud mephit a mile underground below your feet.

[umbral girder]

I didn’t say that. I said Favored Foe was once a round and Hunter’s Mark is an upgrade.

[empty thicket]

Like warlock have Eldritch blast so....

[humble cairn]

Do not, it is worse than useless. It wastes a spell slot to tell you literally nothing useful.

[umbral girder]

The first word of the message you replied to is Favored Foe.

[stiff rock]

fair enough lol

[naive cedar]

Eldritch blast >>>>>

[fossil hollow]

Overwhelmed by the number of notifications i got while im gone

[empty thicket]

Oh yeah, at higher levels eldritch blast is a magic missile on steroids

[humble cairn]

How can you triangulate when you don't get direction, number, or type?

[empty thicket]

for "free" that scale your charisma too

[humble cairn]

Are you back home?

[fossil hollow]

yessir

[humble cairn]

Huzzah! 🎉

[keen kestrel]

Ooof, welcome back

[umbral girder]

Unless they are always traveling it’s just moving to the Hex the monster is or isn’t detected.

[woven flint]

I'm coming after you. (I missed you, friend!)

[umbral girder]

Case of “these hexes have these monsters here”

[fossil hollow]

Cant wait to play DnD, and thats youre first words for me?

[woven flint]

No, in your server I said
"Is that the moth?"

[fossil hollow]

shhhh

[keen kestrel]

Tokii is the epitome of “do as I say, not as I do”

[humble cairn]

This is assuming a lot of things. It's also completely thrown off by something like oh ... the Wizard having a Familiar.

[idle oar]

Thanks for clarifying that statement as I was annoyed I’d have to moderate things…

[umbral girder]

If the familiar has the right creature type,

[idle oar]

Anyhoo hope everyone has some fun D&D this week!

[woven flint]

Lmao, nah, Ti is my buddy, I meant it in a silly way lol

[umbral girder]

Plus that creature type can change too.

[humble cairn]

Any Familiar pings Primeval Awareness.

[fossil hollow]

... gotta plan BG:DiA Session 0

[umbral girder]

If the place has any as well.

[woven flint]

I get to play my Centaur Barbarian!!!

Insert chains breaking Gif here

[marble tangle]

I’m joining the new dnd club my school started on Thursday

[humble cairn]

Familiars are Fey, Fiends, or Celestials. All of which are creature types that set Primeval Awareness off.

[umbral girder]

If you are out in the wilderness that kinda tells you immediately “we got something” after all

A case of “this area is worth searching”

[humble cairn]

With no clue of what type, how many, direction or anything. It's not usable.

Again it can't tell the difference between seven vampire lords who are in the room with you and one mud mephit that is a mile underground.

[fossil hollow]

oh Primeval Awareness

[humble cairn]

Hot. Trash.

[fossil hollow]

barfing

[woven flint]

Oh, your Primeval Awareness picked up something? That's just my familiar, his name is Johnson.

[umbral girder]

After all (assuming nothing is in the way) you can see up to 2 miles and there are a group of players

[woven flint]

Johnson is a Slaad Tadpole 🧐

[umbral girder]

So it’s just a case of “maybe there is something worth looking at here” ability

[humble cairn]

How do you use the information that it gives you?

[humble cairn]

Which is not worth wasting a spell slot in the slightest.

And then if you are in your Favored Terrain it gets actively worse!

[lost basin]

hi i dont mean to interrupt this conversation but i was wondering if yall form dnd groups here? i am new to dnd and really want to join a group :p no worries if not tho!!!!!!!!!

[stiff rock]

#find-a-game

[humble cairn]

Now you know that at least one creature that is from one of seven types is somewhere within six miles of you. BAH

[umbral girder]

#find-a-game is the channel dedicated for this!

[lost basin]

thank you!!!!

[stiff rock]

do you guys prefer back holsters or hip holsters for swords?

[humble cairn]

Depends on the character.

[woven flint]

You holster your swords????
Pshhh..

[stiff rock]

drawing my newest character, can't decide if the rapier should go on her hip or back

[fossil hollow]

For drawing Back. For aesthetics, Hip

[minor cargo]

C) Wrapped in bandages and dragged behind me.

[fossil hollow]

Rapiers should always be on hip.

theyre not heavy/big enough enough to warrant being on your back imo

[stiff rock]

fairs, thank you

[umbral girder]

Main reason why j can see it is in modules they have world maps in hexes and “you need to find these bad guys!” And that is a way to triangulate it.

[woven flint]

My Bladesinger Draws his Frostbrand Rapier from a pocket dimension flavorwise..
I think I've only mentioned it once though

[fossil hollow]

all it takes is one chwinga to mess ya up

[minor cargo]

D) In a pocket dimension which is actually in my stomach and I draw it out of my own throat. 🐍 / 🪱

[umbral girder]

Modules like Lost mines, Curse of Strahd, Rime of the Frost Maiden, etc

[fossil hollow]

Chillax Jacque the Whipper's friend

[woven flint]

I was gonna say something but this is a PG-13 space 😔

Drawing swords from orifices is definitely... funny

[umbral girder]

Gnolls in a nutshell

[humble cairn]

If your specific bad guys are of those types and nothing else of seven other creatures types is anywhere near you and even then, how do you triangulate when you don't know direction?

[stiff rock]

wait you've actually just inspired me LOL. it would make sense that someone who can travel planes would store her weapons in a pocket dimension

[umbral girder]

Simple move a mile in a direction and see if it goes off. Plus encounter rates are only a 15% chance per 6 miles so you likely will not get false triggers either.

[humble cairn]

If you're extremely lucky whatever you're looking for is exactly one mile away from you and you can move around enough in one minute to figure out their direction.

[woven flint]

You know, I don't have many sword wielding characters

My Fighter wields a Flail, Lance and Mace, My Barbarian (probably) Handaxes, My Warlock uses the Vicious Dagger and a Staff of Power as his weapons. .
🤔

[rough basalt]

Man I have a paladin I wanna play

[umbral girder]

Well less 6 miles and more 25% of the party’s traveling pace

[empty thicket]

hip holster, i can put my hand on the pommel of the sword.
An intimidation, classy and most importantly way to show that you are ready for a fight or use other ways to solve the situation

[keen kestrel]

What kind of paladin

[humble cairn]

Encounters having a 15% rate doesn't mean creatures of those types don't exist in the area, just that they aren't looking for an encounter?

[woven flint]

Swords are the cowards weapon!
Real combatants use their fists!!!!
Or blunt weapons in general!!!!

[keen kestrel]

The broomstick is the ultimate weapon

[rough basalt]

Idk still thinking about the sub

[past latch]

my problem rn is thinking about how to make a heavy armored monk work

[woven flint]

Or very pointy sticks

[humble cairn]

Also, the ability lasts for 1 minute per 2nd level spell slot, precious resources for a half caster. Riding around all day doing this is a huge drain.

[minor cargo]

Drawing weapons is an incredibly high value way to farm aura.

Draw it out of your own shadow (or your opponents).
Summon it from a deck of cards.
Draw it in the air and have it materialize.
Have it delivered by a faceless angel with a thousand eyes on its torso.
Punch through reality and steal it from an alternate dimension version of yourself. (When combat is over, have another alt dimension steal it away to “sheathe” it.)

[past latch]

i wanna give bandits CTE using plate armor

[woven flint]

You don't, lol.
Monk, at base is heavily Anti-Armor.

[past latch]

that's why i'm thinking about it, i am going against the grain

[umbral girder]

Per spell slot it says in my book.

[woven flint]

Just play a fighter with the unarmed fighting style

[past latch]

i will have my medieval MMA

[keen kestrel]

Ah, any idea what type of character? It can inform the subclass

[umbral girder]

It’s easy to narrow down what is or isn’t normal for things you’d find in traveling.

[fossil hollow]

a monk with armor is esssentially classless

[woven flint]

Instead of losing 80% of your class features trying to make an armored monk

[past latch]

aww but then i couldn't spam punch then dodge

[woven flint]

^^^

[rough basalt]

Edgy and angry so Vengeance is a potential given

[past latch]

i wonder if i could beg my dm to let me keep martial arts but lose unarmored defense + movement

[humble cairn]

But you can't even tell what type of thing you're sensing. Just that it's at least within one of seven creature types.

[fossil hollow]

thats something to ask them. Would be easier to just go fighter

[past latch]

but fighters don't have the same aura as monks

[woven flint]

That'd be going against the fantasy of the class in its entirety, their whole thing is honing their body

[keen kestrel]

Fair enough, I used to like vengeance but honestly I like the flavoring of the other subclasses more

[umbral girder]

It does? Just doesn’t give numbers and exact location.

[fossil hollow]

aura is not limited to classes (unless you want a literal aura, just go paladin)

[humble cairn]

I need to go t bed, I'm tagging you in to trash Primeval Awareness.

[humble cairn]

It does not.

[past latch]

honing their body for armor not count?

[keen kestrel]

Yes, bed time is important (I barely get sleep honestly)

[fossil hollow]

nope

[past latch]

i just wanna fulfill the fantasy of parrying swords with bare hands

[keen kestrel]

A rune knight fighter would do a better job of this

[past latch]

maybe, but i don't really want magic, i want straight hands

since basing my monk off boxing

[woven flint]

No...
Because most martial artists don't wear armor..

And the whole thing for Monk is honing their body and senses to make themselves a weapon without the reliance of Weapons and Armor, they can still USE weapons because it's traditional in Martial Arts, but Armor is typically not.

[keen kestrel]

The rune knight doesn’t really have magic proper

It’s more like they’re becoming giants

[past latch]

the armor is the weapon, problem solved

[keen kestrel]

To that end, they use runes as a method

[woven flint]

That's now how it works lol

[past latch]

aww i wanted to be cool

[woven flint]

Who looks at a bare knuckle brawler and is like
"They should wear armor"
When it's plenty cool and probably even more badass going into a fight against a dragon without armor and just your bare hands?

[stiff rock]

open hand monk or drunken master may suit your fantasy, however yeah monks aren't well made for heavy armour

[lost basin]

badass

[woven flint]

Armor is for COWARDS!

[past latch]

using armor as the knuckles

[keen kestrel]

My noble genie paladin agrees

Silk robes are the real armor here

[woven flint]

You need a metal shell to defend yourself?! That's pathetic!!!

[lost basin]

i agree. i also prefer my characters to look cool rather than look like a marshmallow made of tin and chains

[past latch]

oh yeah, i wanted to make my character a dirty boxer, that's why i thought of armor lmao

[keen kestrel]

Don’t boxers not wear armor?

[past latch]

they dont, that's why he's a cheater

[woven flint]

...?

[past latch]

just imagining stomping on bandit's feet with plate armor and walloping their heads

[empty thicket]

Monk would do that, in 2024 i think you can deflect so the idea of catching a sword like the crazy axe man from Lupin isnt impossible

[keen kestrel]

A dirty boxer would use a bit of pocket sand, not wear obvious armor

[past latch]

yeah, but that's played out

no reason he can't do both actually

[woven flint]

Dude...
Just play a Fighter with the unarmed fighting style
You're not losing 80% of what your class can do by wearing armor 😭

[timid current]

Ultimately you're losing both masteries and access to magic weapons

[woven flint]

There's still magic items for unarmed fighting

And shoving and grappling are essentially masteries for the hands lol

[past latch]

but then i can't fulfill the fantasy of flicker jabbing with folded steel 😭

if brass knuckles aren't a thing yet, plate will do

[keen kestrel]

You can certainly homebrew some brass knuckles

[lost basin]

min maxing your character is dumb. do what you want (with reason)

[stiff rock]

you could always use a mace/maul and pretend it's brass knuckles

[empty thicket]

Unarmed fighting sound... weird considerating that your class can use ANY kind of weapon properly

[woven flint]

You could literally just flavor your monk weapon as a pair of brass knuckles

[keen kestrel]

My dm let me do that for my rune knight

[timid current]

Masteries allow damage while doing things. Unarmed makes you choose between damage and effect

[rough basalt]

Well with new grappler you can do damage and also grapple

[timid current]

It's already lower potency for damage, it also loses potency in effect

[past latch]

not as cool as using armor as the knuckles imo

[keen kestrel]

Just take grappler at level 4, then you get both

[past latch]

clinching in full armor does sound baller tho

[rough basalt]

If you play a monk in heavy armor you can end up being a burden on your game.

[past latch]

also, another point, headbutting with a helmet on

[woven flint]

You spit on the name of Monks everywhere with your armored monk fantasy! SHAME ON YOU! /joking

[timid current]

Clinching in full armor is like 80% of medieval fighting manuals do

[rough basalt]

Since the DM can't use encounter tools to account for a party with a 1/4th of a PC

[past latch]

you may not be ready yet, but your kids are gonna love it

[rough basalt]

And the other players have to pick up your slack.

[timid current]

Which doesn't mean it needs to be in fantasy but fantasy very rarely is about giving people fewer cool things to do

(Exept strength based martial combat, which seems to always receive more and more "reality" based limitations)

[past latch]

idk, for some reason i never really wanted to do like eastern martial arts with monks, i dont see as much ones that try different ones like boxing

[rough basalt]

Tokii knows firsthand how it feels to be in a party with burden PCs that can't do what they're supposed to do.

[woven flint]

Why not play a Barbarian and fight barehanded? Better yet, be a beast barbarian and wear medium armor

[past latch]

because they dont have bonus action punching

the best part of my monk playthroughs was bonus action punch then dodge

[woven flint]

A beast barbarian can attack a third time as part of an attack action without using their bonus action

[past latch]

wait, barbs can't use armor either, right?

[empty thicket]

and considerate races that give you extra damage in unarmed attacks too

[vernal owl]

i hope my dm allows me to change my halfling character from a stout to a lotusden 😔 i was an absolute beginner when i made the character so i didnt know how useless the poison resistance was gonna be 💔

[rough basalt]

Only heavy isn't allowed

[woven flint]

They can't use heavy armor, but they can use other armors

[past latch]

aww, still doesn't solve my exact issue

[sharp heron]

poison resistance isn't bad, your dm just isn't shooting the monks

[rough basalt]

Poison Resistance isn't that great

I'd argue it being bad isn't too inaccurate either.

[past latch]

also, i just wanna ask, do you guys think armor is less honorable than using magic?

[rough basalt]

I don't care about honorable

[woven flint]

We've given you genuine solutions

Paladin and Fighter with the unarmed fighting style
They both get heavy armor and don't lose their class features just to fill a niche fantasy

[past latch]

my man

[sharp heron]

magic can literally destroy someone's psyche, at least with armor you just regular kill them

[vast sapphire]

Is monster hunter a good class? I'm interested to run an artificier with a monster hunter second class

[past latch]

and i appreciate it, i am just wallowing in despair i cant fulfill the heavy armor monk fantasy

[vernal owl]

im playing a trickery domain cleric so im always trynna avoid getting hit, just asked him if i can change it because using entangle to cause chaos chaos and be better in battle can be fun

[past latch]

i would argue armor and dirty fighting are the bare minimum when you can't use magic and you're fighting wizards

[sharp heron]

I mean if you never used it you might as well, not like you're exploiting it

[woven flint]

Also, just another thing, a Monk can't do their bonus action attacks and stuff while wearing heavy armor as well

[past latch]

yeah that's why i was wallowing

[sharp heron]

yeah, wizards are scary man

[timid current]

Are you opposed to homebrew?

[past latch]

fireball < pocket sand

[past latch]

nah, just haven't tried it so i don't really have experience with it

[sharp heron]

swashbuckler pocket sand smite

[past latch]

i am so yakuza pilled bru i now think fistfighting is way cooler than using weapons 💔

[sharp heron]

mUnc

[woven flint]

They don't use Armor is Yakuza either, you know

[stiff rock]

one of the biggest plagues of bg3 is making people think thief gets a 2nd bonus action and swashbuckler has 'dirty trick'

i too was victim to it

[past latch]

yeah but they're already bulletproof, armor would be pointless

[sharp heron]

I would argue that's not even top 200 plagues the game has

[woven flint]

Be the Chad that views armor as a weakness!!!!

[stiff rock]

nah, anyone coming into DND straight out of bg3 will have a lot of misconceptions about subclass abilities

[past latch]

also i am fairly sure plate armor is probably a gear item in one of the games

[woven flint]

The moment I realized the inflexibility of metal, I realized my flesh gave me an advantage!
I was lithe, agile and quick on my feet!!!

[sharp heron]

I mean you can argue with a dm for homebrew, not entirely out of reasoning. Some changes it does are bad though, like proning is not a threat at all

[rough basalt]

Yeah gear is invisible.
Like in one game there's like a magic tree armor that makes you immune to bullet stun

[vast sapphire]

I don't think non of them is dirty unless you're unless it's a duel and you agree not to use them otherwise it's your hand

[past latch]

my carry for munakata

[past latch]

good point

it's like jack sparrow said, if you're gonna lose in a fair fight, there's no incentive to be in one

[past latch]

but what if, both

yin and yang, very monky

[woven flint]

I have a slight alternative..

Why not just flavor your Monks clothes as being reinforced by metal?

[rough basalt]

I hope I can play a paladin someday

[past latch]

because it isn't as violent as getting hit with plate armor

[woven flint]

I dunno, getting hit bare-handed by a monk in general Is plenty violent without armor

[past latch]

plate armor would make me feel like a fist fighting space marine, there is no way something that heavy should be moving that fast

[past latch]

it could always be better

[woven flint]

Play Pathfinder, Play a Gaurdian, they're a class that wears heavy armor and does a lot of unarmed zoomie things.

[timid current]

That's not helpful

[past latch]

the only concession i might make is only giving my character plate gauntlets but still kinda feels like a loss

[woven flint]

It's a solution

[past latch]

i will look it up

[timid current]

To playing a specific fantasy in D&D?

[woven flint]

It's not a D&D solution, but it's a solution.

[timid current]

So, not helpful. Also not really appropriate for the dnd channel lol

[woven flint]

👍

[rough basalt]

Nah it's a solution cause if you don't want what DnD can provide that something else can, it's better than "homebrew it"
Cause chances are the DM doesn't wanna, won't allow it, or you're reinventing unarmed fighter, barb, or paladin

[vast sapphire]

What are you talking about? I don't understand the topic no matter how much I'm scrolling

[lyric viper]

Always worth though trying to figure out what someone wants.
If they want to play D&D and have this idea work, then offering not D&D solutions isn't that helpful.
If it doesn't have to be D&D then suggesting other TTRPGs can often be the more useful solution.

[woven flint]

Yeah, I get that it's D&D discussion and everything for a reason, but, it's a pretty fun class in that game and maybe they could use it to inspire a class or subclass for D&D, that's my whole point lol

[rough basalt]

They've already been told the solutions.

[past latch]

i will work for wizards of the coast and make heavy armor monk a subclass

[lyric viper]

Can always work with your DM to get it to work. But if moving onto non-D&D suggestions, best to head to #non-dnd-topics

[rough basalt]

Keep in mind a lot of dms will probably tell you the same thing we are

[past latch]

ooh, i just remembered goku's weighted clothes, more excuses for heavy armor supremacy

[past latch]

i will, thank you

too busy with school for a sesh anyway i was just curious lol

[rough basalt]

Cause you'd be wanting a whole homebrew class with a few monk features stolen pretty much

[past latch]

(oc dont steal)

menk class

[rough basalt]

Cause unlike Barb, Monks whole class is built around being unarmored.

[past latch]

man, i hate monks, they're so cool

[blissful ibex]

I mean that's just
checks notes
College of dance bard, Oath of Noble Genies Paladin, Draconic Sorcerer, Barbarian in general, etc. etc.

[rough basalt]

That's just unarmored defense

[blissful ibex]

which is a core monk feature c:
and they do it better

[rough basalt]

Monk loses all of its other key features if it wears armor

Its also a core barbarian feature

[timid current]

Surely there are subclasses that do this instead of whole classes

Like the one we were already talking about in the homebrew channel

[past latch]

i am limited by the technology of my time

[blissful ibex]

Barrier Tattoos are your best friends c:

[rough basalt]

I didn't go in that channel

[timid current]

Okay and yet you are making statements about the homebrew

Fair enough, go on

[past latch]

more ac would be good, yes, but i did not choose armor for ac, i chose it for aura

[blissful ibex]

sadly only the (medium) and (large) barrier tattoos are really worth it

[rough basalt]

I don't need to go in the homebrew channel to state that homebrew isn't a guaranteed solution

And often that homebrew can end up be just reinventing the wheel

[woven flint]

Pugilist does this in a way lol

[timid current]

Neither is playing a whole other game

[blissful ibex]

the small one is outpaced by MI Wizard taking mage armor for 13+dex instead of 12+dex
then transitioning to shield or something after you get the medium

[past latch]

i would imagine a full plate knight dropping his weapons and running at you with straight hands can be terrifying in its own special way

he wants to make your whooping last

[timid current]

But if you think getting your table to play a whole different game is easier than picking a subclass thats certainly a take :>

[past latch]

i was never known for taking the easy way

[past latch]

like arkham knight batman with his tank lookin suit

[rough basalt]

There is no official monk subclass that allows armor usage. That's the point.

[timid current]

Nah your idea is kickass. D&D needs armor and strength based brawling

[past latch]

i cannot be the first person who thought about it that's why i was real curious xD

[rough basalt]

It already has it with unarmed fighter, and paladin.
Admittedly it could use more.

[timid current]

The point is that we talked about potential homebrew and people are out here saying switching the whole game is easier

[past latch]

we could always use more methods of violence

[woven flint]

Beast Barbarian was quite literally the best possible solution I could've offered within the system

[timid current]

I actually saw a homebrewed 2024 beast barb the other day, it was looking cool as heck

[woven flint]

Besides Fighter, It's fast, it can attack a lot and you can wear armor

People sleep on Beast Barb 😔

[lyric viper]

I mean.. I have played this very character in Exalted
6'2 woman, in 'super heavy' armour, because she had the insane strength to wear it, so she was a literal human tank who could leap straight up in the air and thunder hammer an enemy 6ft under.

[past latch]

grabbing a bandit's sword with your hand and shaking your head "nuh-uh" sounds very appealing

[empty thicket]

Yep, its the most raw power full martial class ngl

[woven flint]

I was really hoping to get an updated Beast Barbarian over Storm Herald tbh 💀

[rough basalt]

But homebrew isn't allowed at every table where as the other system has it as official content so if you really desire that, then you can always try out that system.

[woven flint]

There's still hope though

[lyric viper]

She probably weighed 400lb with everything on. So, there's another suggestion for #non-dnd-topics :Exalted

[rough basalt]

My assumption is you're taking homebrew to a table before you're actually at the table

[empty thicket]

against other martials fighter shine a lot
The only problem is comparing him against casters but i place them in different lines now

[past latch]

yeah, dodging fireball probably better than trying to tank it

i will still tank it tho

[empty thicket]

Na, its just that casters access to a lot of stuff. A ton of stuff

but meh, both lines are good
Martials and casters are nice

[past latch]

yeah, i could probably get squished into a tin can before i could approach within 5 feet of them in heavy armor

[woven flint]

I'm still on the front that tanking things without armor is a more badass fantasy >-> /lighthearted

[rough basalt]

It's like the Summoner playstyle

[past latch]

dodging things with armor is menacing tho

[rough basalt]

They removed mass summons cause 5e couldn't handle it.

[past latch]

the space marine effect

[woven flint]

The whole point of armor IS to take a hit.

[timid current]

I would suggest that someone punching is not the same as warping the action economy

[past latch]

exactly, you weren't expecting that knight to roll up trying to hit an uppercut so now you're cooked

[woven flint]

Taking a fireball to the face without anything protecting you and walking away is the true menace

[empty thicket]

yeah.... the problem with summoners is having 2 summons and the action economy if im not wrong

[empty thicket]

you mean for stop time?

[woven flint]

Dark Souls tells me Knights can indeed roll in armor and punch me in the hae, checkmate

[timid current]

In fact you can already do it, it's just not as fun because there isn't mechanical support for the archetype

[past latch]

that's why i want my heavy armor monk

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[rough basalt]

Yes, but in other systems that allow mass summoning, they account for it. So if I wanna do a mass summon, I'd at least maybe consider those over trying to get a DM to allow me.
Since it'd require more work on their part to make it work.

[past latch]

let me solo them

[empty thicket]

god i need to find a way to wire my brain and no ping you

[woven flint]

Literally
Fighter

[past latch]

truly unfortunate, but it is what it is

[timid current]

I mean that summons took up space in the action economy. A fighter having support for punching well doesnt

[past latch]

i am a fighter hater but i am not biased at all /j

[rough basalt]

We already talked about using Fighter tho which has support for punching

[knotty pasture]

Or why not just multiclass Monk with Fighter

[rough basalt]

Cause they wanna use heavy armor with martial arts features allowed

[past latch]

i do not want to become a muggle

[knotty pasture]

You get your heavy armor and you can just dump the rest of your levels to Monk after 2 levels in Fighter for action surge

[timid current]

Heavy armor turns off martial arts

[past latch]

hence, the problem

[knotty pasture]

Damn it

[past latch]

i am too creative for this world /j

[timid current]

Which is why real support for unarmed fighters and barbarians would be cool

[rough basalt]

There'd need to be some feature changes too.
Since Monks get prof in all saving throws and Evasion cause they don't get armor at all

[empty thicket]

i would say it depend how you approach to it.
summoning 2 creatures, using your action and bonus action on them feel bad.

i would do something like, okey. There is tiers of creatures, depending of the tier is the amount of actions you can divide your turn.
Low tier creature = 3 actions (can be used to move, attack or other things)
Medium = 2
High = 1

[woven flint]

Making an Armored Subclass for Monks for a very small niche of people probably wouldn't be logical for WOTC as a move and I could see people definitely complaining about it

And the reason we don't have any other class good at brawling is because of Monk.
So that's your problem, Monks core identity is the antithesis of that fantasy

[past latch]

good point, i haven't read enough of monk's other unarmored bonnuses

[delicate owl]

Those are called possible future subclasses. Itll never be a fully baseline support thing.

[timid current]

I mean just making a fighter or barb subclass that gets punch arts is not going to require any changes to monk.

[rough basalt]

Dude in +3 plate armor with Evasion and prof in all saving throws that can move 50ft per turn and attack 5 times a turn

[past latch]

i am the one above all

[timid current]

My guy I am only talking about subclasses here, not changing a base class

[rough basalt]

You can use unarmed with battlemaster

[timid current]

So can you!

[rough basalt]

Trip attack is a takedown or a suplex

[past latch]

i am willing to sacrifice unarmored defense and movement just lemme punch twice without fighter performance enhancers

[woven flint]

Nah, I'm sorry I'm too enamored with being the guy that doesn't need armor already

[past latch]

heavy armor wrestler also sounds fun ngl

[vagrant quartz]

i'm prepairing my first one shot for my friends

[rough basalt]

Thing is Evasion and Prof in all saves is the more pressing issue since you'd have the same AC as regular monks without the stat investments

[vagrant quartz]

hwo do you do stuff, udfeif aaaaaa

[woven flint]

Play a battlemaster fighter then, wear heavy armor, trip people up and do unarmed things without losing damage

[past latch]

good point

take away my mystical attachments because im wearing gloves /j

[woven flint]

Monks as a base class don't train with armor, so I can kinda understand them finding it hard to use their abilities with it

[rough basalt]

Beast Barb works with unarmed pretty well.
There's quite a bit of support for unarmed martials outside of monks, and they even added a new feat that buffs grapplers more

[past latch]

exactly, good training

once he takes off the armor he will jump 20ft like goku

[woven flint]

That's what I've been saying!
AAGHHH!!! /Lighthearted

[delicate owl]

How so? Beast Barb isnt unarmed.

[timid current]

Beast barb is good. It hasn't been updated to 2024 yet, but it is a different take on it

[delicate owl]

Beast Barb counts as wielding simple weapons, not using unarmed attacks.

I guess thematically.

[blissful ibex]

The problem with summoners was having 8 summons all with their own inititive, HP, and attack rolls
and then potentially having multiple of those in a party

[woven flint]

If you want to be technical, no, it isn't, but their natural weapons are pretty much fighting unarmed and im sure an updated version of them would indeed count them as unarmed strikes

[past latch]

the simplest weapons: hands

barb tear off face, barb win

[rough basalt]

Bestial claws on your hands is unarmed to me imo

[past latch]

oh ye i forgot i also wanted to ask more about unarmed fighting in general, like how does stuff like throwing dirt or stepping on someone's foot work? up to the dm?

[empty thicket]

yep, that is why i would limit it
3 low tier summons
2 medium tier
1 high tier
Maybe in other way but you get my point
Now if there is multiple i would start using enemies that can take care of hordes or waves of enemies and AOE attacks
Or cast off their magic
Or ask kindly the players to change to another thing

[rough basalt]

Nothing unless you're flavoring features that do stuff

[woven flint]

I'm still angry that Storm Herald got updated first over Beast Barbarian, WOTC will RUE the day If they don't spiffy up my obligatory furry subclass

[delicate owl]

The mechanics unfortunately disagree. Those are simple weapons 🙁

[vagrant quartz]

guys how do i make them fight a cult

[umbral girder]

Make the cult a problem is usually the method.

[past latch]

so they're just for describing the action but no real feature for em?

[rough basalt]

The mechanics can disagree all they want, technically you're unarmed when it comes to flavor.

[vagrant quartz]

yes but like, how do the cultists fight

[umbral girder]

With the monsters they summoned by their side usually

[past latch]

the cult of heavy armor monks /j

[umbral girder]

Depends on the cultists mainly.

[gloomy sedge]

haii, im worried my dice are loaded/have a weight near high rolls? i keep rolling 18-20s with them

[rough basalt]

Yep

[blissful ibex]

or natural weapons depending IIRC

[umbral girder]

Put it in a cup of water and see if it rolls

[lyric viper]

loaded dice would feel obvious.

[past latch]

aww, unfortunate, thought footsies would atleast count as grappling, or maybe i could just describe doing that as the grapple

[gloomy sedge]

? how do you mean obvious

[rough basalt]

They count as natural weapons in other cases

[past latch]

the weight is noticeable ig?

[rough basalt]

Which means it's just typical wotc wording things weirdly

[lyric viper]

They would not roll like a normal dice.
Also are you using a 'top down' where all the high numbers are next to each other?

[rough basalt]

Could certainly do so.
Flavor is always free.

[blissful ibex]

spindowns are nice for tracking numbers but not for actual rolling

[rough basalt]

Tho id make sure the flavor is sensible.

[gloomy sedge]

in not, but when i drop my d20s from a low height they seem to roll unnaturally and either roll 20/very high or 1's

[rough basalt]

On a rare occasion I come across people who reflavor too hard and it's hard to understand what they're doing

[past latch]

we really need more cheating options, where my rogues at? /j

[lyric viper]

Spindowns aren't usually too bad, but if they do have a weight imbalance favoruing one side, it's more obvious. But little imbalances aren't going to really affect the game in a normal dice.

[past latch]

ok thats also me i am sorry (boxing & wrestling terms)

[rough basalt]

Like one dude describing a cantrip as crucifying a bugbear.

[lyric viper]

If you happen to roll a 20 5.2% instead of 5% of the time, ai well, lucky dice

[rough basalt]

Ah no I'm talking flavor that's clearly not what you're actually doing and what the heck are you talking about

[past latch]

ok im interested what cantrip that is

[lyric viper]

still going to roll other numbers.

[rough basalt]

Iirc it was chill touch

[past latch]

where did bro get crucifying a bugbear?

[delicate owl]

Oh I am just referring to mechanics. You can flavor all you want but a +3 wraps wont do anything lol

[gloomy sedge]

alright, ty!!

[flint apex]

Arguably, what do you guys think is the most broken artifact in DnD?

[rough basalt]

That is true unfortunately
But the level 6 beast feature refers to the level 3 stuff as natural weapons

[umbral girder]

Probably the gamer chair that summons several adult blue dragons

[rough basalt]

Honestly I'd probably allow Wraps with beast

[lavish flame]

really? I never knew this

[flint apex]

I’m asking purely because I have the option to pick an artifact level item next session and this is now on the list

[woven flint]

The one that made me like men 😔

[flint apex]

LMFAO

[jovial shadow]

what the

[umbral girder]

Also you cannot move the chair

So something more practical is the Mask of the Dragon Queen (if you got all the masks)

[flint apex]

Is there a limit on the dragons I need to kill a lowkey primordial

[woven flint]

It's not an Artifact..

Just get a Sphere of Annihilation :3

[umbral girder]

Oh if it’s a primordial good chance the dragons can’t hurt them.

Primordials have that elemental immunity/resistance

[flint apex]

I think they’re a primordial but they might be worse I’m unsure, I think they’re kill able though in our context. BUT, sphere of annihilation I’ve heard of

[blissful ibex]

Sphere + Talisman for extra shenanigans

[umbral girder]

If you want to get very silly the Eye of Vecna.
Sure it can maybe instant kill you. But it can drop Vecna on the encounter to make the fight even Crazier.

[past latch]

letsgoo gambling

[umbral girder]

5%chance time

[past latch]

5% of the time it works every time

[flint apex]

THIS MIGHT NOT BE A BAD IDEA BUT I DONT THINK MY DM WILL ALOW IT purely because we’ve seen this item already in another characters vault

[umbral girder]

Artifacts have a mind of their own, maybe it just left.

[flint apex]

tdlr big snake is coming to eat the sun and is looking for his brother and now he’s making it EVERYONES PROBLEM

[umbral girder]

If not the Book of Exalted deeds can help cast a 10th level spell

[flint apex]

OH WORD?

[woven flint]

If my Bladesinger had a Sphere of annihilation, he'd never fail the check to control it as the lowest he can get on an Arcana check is 20 because he's got expertise in Arcane and 30 Intelligence 💀

[umbral girder]

Basically it can upcast any spell to 1 slot higher

So a 9th level slot can be upgraded to 10th, a very small difference but funny

[umbral girder]

Oh like the Egyptian Myth? Why not Ra’s artifact?

[blissful ibex]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/magic-items/9229124-talisman-of-the-sphere

[flint apex]

to give you context of how bad the situation is, we have 4 archdevils in our party (me included), on the way to get another, a fragment of he who was and the heir to Waterdeep

[umbral girder]

The Crook and Flail of Ra I think is the name

[flint apex]

Yesterdays session the snake just ate through 2 layers of the nine

[umbral girder]

Sounds like Asmodeus doing a silly

[flint apex]

I need something to beat this snake over the head (we’re all getting access to artifacts so I’m trying to find one that will either compliment or stun this things abilities)

[umbral girder]

Because in DnD lore the Snake that is eating everything is just Asmodeus’ true form.

Then again the DM could just be doing their own thing of course.

[blissful ibex]

A bag of holding, a portable hole, and an arrow

apply directly to the brainstem c:

[flint apex]

So, about this,

[blissful ibex]

aww, they 'fixed' it
tbf, it was a heck of a meme

[delicate owl]

Yeah, but the level 3 feature says they count as a simple weapon for you, therefore they are

[blissful ibex]

and even if they weren't, natural weapons are not an unarmed attack

[flint apex]

In our world (I am our worlds glasya, my dad, asmo, is currently chained up in Nessus as usual. The other serpent apart of the ourosborus is the one attacking us, my dads part of that serpent is currently incapacitated. Other snake wants to bring all the fragments of said brother/asmo together so he can make him again.)

so we are currently speedrunning to Nessus to try and get him out so we can mess with some funny slabs we have been given access to and Nobody Knows How To Use

The only reason he’s currently eating the rest of the layers is because he tried to kill another archdevil infront of another archdevil, my stupid ass counterspelled him, he tried to counterspell our counterspell and then said other archdevil banished him to another layer, in which he absolutely lost his shit and is now going full I’m Going To Eat The Sun Mode

So yes literally any artifact for our situation will be useful, I am going insane trying to figure out how we’re going to deal with this thing. A book that can cast a 10th level spell might help though

A mix of our dm is doing his own shit and forgotten realms knowledge I didn’t even know existed

[flint apex]

You know combine this with what we have already I think we’ve got it

[gloomy sedge]

they sink to the botom, any other ways to test them?

[lyric viper]

The water test isn't the best one and requires waaaaaaay too much salt for most dice

[gloomy sedge]

salt?

[lyric viper]

The idea is you thicken the water until the dice float and see which side points up after shaking/poking it under a few times.

Honestly, if it's not a spin down (with the 20 being next to the 19, then the 18, so on so forth) it's not a concern.

Enjoy your lucky dice.

[solemn hemlock]

hey everyone, idk if this is the right place to talk abt it but can i maybe ask you guys abt some greviences im having w my dm right now

[lavish flame]

you need saltwater for the dice to float, usually they'll just sink in regular water

[solemn hemlock]

i dont know if im in the wrong or not

[rough basalt]

What happened?

[lyric viper]

I believe chat is quite used to lending an ear and helping figure out an issue. Although as always, we'll only know your side and the details given, so our advice might be limited.

[solemn hemlock]

im pretty new to playing dnd so my bad if this is a stupid question but recently ive had a few clashes with my dm (his first time dming too) and i was wondering if im in the wrong here. theres been multiple times where he's done this but ill single out our last session specifically. basically we were doing a filler episode and decided to establish a kind of courier system for the town we're crashing at for the time being and we were given a full caravan of supplies to go and sell to the town next over. the problem kinda begins here, when we asked him what was in the caravan he kinda just said "whatever you want to be in there" and he glossed over the details of getting to the town and things like that to speed up the process. i didnt think much of it at first as it was a filler, so we head to the town over and speak to the leader guy there and get permission from him to sell, then we go to the tavern because we decided we had glasses and brewing ingredients/equipment in the caravan. we go up to the bartender and since i have pretty high deception/persuasion we decided that i should smooth talk him into taking our stock. i ask our dm if i can roll like a history check or smn to see if i would know a baseline price for this stuff (since my character's background was somewhat of a merchant) and he just kinda said no ill just look it up, which was fine ig but it kind of took the fun away if that makes sense, but heres what irked me the most. he decided that, since there was clashing info online, the stock would cost around 300g normally. i ,in character start, stringing this story about how the stuff is from the finest brewerys and glass factories in the city and that stuff like this would easily run him 600g and that my price to him was 425. my dm just pauses for a moment and says "nah, i actually own the brewery youre talking about" and just stops the whole thing there. i kinda feel dumb and dont respond and my party member just sells it for the normal price

[stiff rock]

does sound a little like he's trying to put you down, but he could also just be inexperienced and thought it would be funny

[solemn hemlock]

and since last session ive noticed that this is just kinda how he runs things, hes very like controlling of the situation and tends to railroad when we get off the main questline, in fact id be bold enough to say he even seems bored whenever we arent doing something he wants

[stiff rock]

is he a newer DM?

[solemn hemlock]

yeah first time

[blissful ibex]

clashes with my dm (his first time dming too)

[lyric viper]

Hmm, yeah that does sound unfun. If DMing that situation I would have allowed for your roll, as that was some good RP thinking.

But maybe he didn't want to give out too much Gold.

[stiff rock]

that may be the issue then as he may not even recognise he's doing stuff like that. i suppose the best you could do is bring up your grievances with him and if nothing improves them reconsider if it's right to play in his games]

[stiff rock]

mb

[blissful ibex]

you're good, was a bit of a block of text tbh, easy to miss a small detail like that

[solemn hemlock]

ok cool i just feel like ive been going crazy because none of the other party members have talked abt it and have been a bit scared its just in my head 😭

[stiff rock]

railroading can be a bit of an issue amongst new GMs, and it's easy to view the whole brewery thing as he thought it would be funny and it just wasn't

so yeah, i doubt he's doing anything malicious on purpose but definitely bring it up if it's bothering you

[lyric viper]

Might be worth bringing up when you can roll or not/ working in situations to use your PC skills. If your PC has skills, it's fun to get to use them.
But also- not everything needs to be rolled. Sometimes players can get a li'l over enthusiastic and roll without asking, but least you checked first.
For the history roll for example, that doesn't seem too egregious too me- no need to roll, the DM is telling you the info. For the deception, that feels like a perfect time to reward RP and PC skill with a li'l something.

[solemn hemlock]

alr thank you sm guys ❤️‍🩹 ❤️‍🩹 ❤️‍🩹 this def cleared it up a bit i just tend to doubt myself since im so new to the whole game 😭

[past latch]

never doubt yourself ever again /j

[marble lion]

Sometimes DMs also get a little overenthusiastic with making you roll

Roll to go up the stairs. Uh oh
You trip

[stiff rock]

nat 20 on opening a door? the handle comes off

[past latch]

nat 20 on every step

[marble lion]

Ill allow it

[past latch]

if you fail once you trip on a stone and break your neck

[marble lion]

Dice tell a story

[stiff rock]

rolling survival per heartbeat to see if you have a heart attack

[past latch]

i wonder how fun a dnd game like that would be, all interactions based on the will of dice

[marble lion]

Pun

[stiff rock]

probably

[past latch]

nat 20 to speak, if you fail you bite your tongue and bleed to death

[tawdry sentinel]

I would say, shopping and haggling are not everyone's cup of tea. I cannot speak for the specific situation.

But when someone asks how much X should cost, or what they can get for selling it.

And I say 50 gold or whatever. And they ask for a discount, roll persuasion, roll well, and I offer 20% off, so 40.

And then they try to haggle more, based on absolutely nothing, and then get annoyed when I tell them no we're not doing that, it gets my back up.

This was more of an issue when I was running community games.

[stiff rock]

i imagine this is how infants live their life

[past latch]

i wouldn't know, i need to ask one first

lemme roll a nat 20 rq

[marble lion]

Hold on roll intelligence to see if your character thinks of that solution

[past latch]

oh ye what would the meta be if dice rolls were a priority, ig bard?

[stiff rock]

lobotomy is powergaming

[past latch]

roll luck to see if your character is conceived and grows old enough to join the campaign

[vagrant quartz]

power word lobotomy

[past latch]

this is why im not a DM

[stiff rock]

roll to be invited to the table first

[vagrant quartz]

guys how do i do challenge rating

[past latch]

i roll that every day and i always lose 😔

[stiff rock]

i usually just vibe check it but i'm sure there are more exact ways

[untold plank]

why cant i write anything

[stiff rock]

actually do you mean for homebrewing your own monster or calculating encounter balance?

[vagrant quartz]

encounter balance

[stiff rock]

oh, there are tables in (i think) the DMG that detail the XP threshold per character per level for a fight to be easy, moderate, hard or deadly. pick which kind of fight you want, then add the XP of the monsters in the fight until you reach the limit

[vagrant quartz]

i'm trying to fill up a church with cultists for an encounter and i kinda wanted to have 2 waves and then "big boss room"

[tawdry sentinel]

Work out damage per round and effective hp. To get an offensive and defensive CR.

Account for other features.

Average them all out.

Realise it doesn't actually make any sense, and do it all on vibes and reflavouring an existing critter.

[untold plank]

yall i created my First character and its a warlock did i make a wrong choice

[stiff rock]

warlocks are fun

[livid owl]

There's not really any wrong choices when picking a class, so long as you're willing to learn how it works

[bronze wave]

One of my fav classes

[woven flint]

It's a tough first character, admittedly, but nah

[past latch]

it's only a wrong choice if you don't enjoy them

[vagrant quartz]

warlocks are super funny

[past latch]

i was trying to make a heavy armor monk work earlier lol

[untold plank]

like i asked chatgpt how It works and It kinda helped me to put the stats because with dnd and beyond sheets i was Lost plus i never created a characte

[vagrant quartz]

oh dear

[rose wedge]

Don't do AI.

[untold plank]

why

[bronze wave]

Well it’s prob not fully accurate but it’s a decent enough start. Just ask your DM for help

[woven flint]

Never use AI as a resource it'd be better to watch a video to see how Warlocks work, or ask the nice folk here lol

[rose wedge]

Watching someone's ten minute youtube video would be a lot better.

[uncut zenith]

ChatGPT doesn’t actually know how to create a D&D character. It just tosses a bunch of numbers at you that look passable.

[past latch]

now im curious what would happen if i asked chatgpt to make a d&d character for itself

[livid owl]

With DND there's so much conflicting stuff across the Internet AI doesn't really know what's what

[rose wedge]

How about we just don't use it at all.

[past latch]

fair, fair

[untold plank]

the problem Is i didn't know how and where to put the stats and all

[vagrant quartz]

#dnd-newcomers :3

[past latch]

true d&d player

[livid owl]

DND beyond has a quick guide on building classes when you view the class on their website

[woven flint]

It'd probably fail miserably because Ai is stupid and can't tell misinformation from actual fact

[untold plank]

so im doomed

[rose wedge]

Okay cool but you're already here on the discord so that's step one. Newcomers channel, youtube guides. I have 60 hours of DnD experience which is nothing and I still don't fully know how to make a character so I just kinda grab my brother or someone else in voice chat and they walk me through it.

[vagrant quartz]

but guys chatgpt agrees with me when i said that we drink 3 gallons of roach milk each blue moon!

[rose wedge]

dude what.

[past latch]

it can do it i believe in it 🎉 /j

[untold plank]

no i mean i have to delete my character

[uncut zenith]

Not if you learn to do it yourself. Your problem seems to be that you want someone/something else to do it for you

[vagrant quartz]

no no

[bronze wave]

Then don’t lol, just update it

[untold plank]

not really Just i didn't know how to do It myself

[livid owl]

You don't have to delete them, just fix the things ai probably got wrong like your ability scores

[buoyant oar]

Reading is good.

Having fun isn't hard if you got a library card

[uncut zenith]

Well the rules of the game teach you how to

[past latch]

having fun is good

[rose wedge]

Gen alpha or whatever when they can't read like 15 pages in the PHB which is filled with pictures.

[untold plank]

oh ok because you said i probably had to remake my character so i tought i should hadbto delete them

[vagrant quartz]

keep all the ideas and flavor and everything, but for stats and spells and invocations and all that read the manuals and talk to people on the server, its gonna help a lot

[untold plank]

ok thanks for the help can i like tomorrow ask someone for help to fix It?

[buoyant oar]

Not even a gen alpha thing. I can't get Gen Z players to read their spells without coaxing it out of them like a pavlovian experiment

[jovial shadow]

I still see the same with Gen Y's.

[rose wedge]

Amazing.

[vagrant quartz]

i'm sure there are gonna be a bunch of people willing to help

[untold plank]

okay thanks for the help guys

[past latch]

wonder what generation we're gonna use numbers

[vagrant quartz]

no worries

[past latch]

It's a human issue, blame humanity

glory to the strength and certainty of steel

[delicate owl]

Yeah bout to say, not reading and understanding the rules of d&d is something that spans across a ton of players regardless of age or origin.

[past latch]

at this point it's a rite of passage

[jovial shadow]

I haven't seen this with Gen X ever

[buoyant oar]

DnD is one of the hobbies of all time when I get someone who was educated only by DnDShorts be so confidently incorrect about nearly everything they say.

[jovial shadow]

Born in the 60's and 70's

[past latch]

atleast they're confident, gotta respect it

[naive cedar]

I can be dumb and uncreative all by myself: I don’t need AI to do it for me

[buoyant oar]

That is survivorship bias

[past latch]

tama, believe in yourself

[naive cedar]

For what it’s worth I’m Gen Z and while this is definitely a big issue, I know lots of older people who refuse to read as well

[fresh bloom]

Regarding that question about the prison I asked, how do you restrain someone with an ability that requires them to simply concentrate on a specific object to use it? For example, breaking that object.

[buoyant oar]

Yes. My comment is how it's not tied to just Gen Alpha skibbidi kiddos

[naive cedar]

Fair

[woven flint]

YouTube shorts D&D YouTubers when they make the same joke over 500 times
(Looks over at the Oneshot Questers Dude in particular)

[past latch]

all generations human so all generations make mistakes

[woven flint]

Ah, Yes, indeed "Oath of Throwing It Back Paladin" is hilariously funny after the umpteenth time of seeing it.

[naive cedar]

If I asked a group of 50 5e players if theyve read a dnd book from an edition before 5e I’d probably get 45 blank stares and 3 “there’s other editions?”

[naive cedar]

don’t get me started on “LOL Ranger sucks and bards are annoying!!!”

[woven flint]

5th Edition D&D...
There's 4 more Editions?!
Explodes

[past latch]

aww i miss my aarakocra ranger, fun times

[naive cedar]

Ranger is good those people are just mean

[woven flint]

2014 is just before remaster 2024 5e and isn't its own version.

[buoyant oar]

Head explodes when you tell them there is 7 editions. 9 if you count refreshes.

[vagrant quartz]

is this a good 3 wave encounter? " 5 basic cultists ", 3 basic cultists + 2 medium spellcaster cultists, 1 big bad cultist 1 medium cultist 2 basic cultists and flesh wall big cultist.

[jovial shadow]

More than four: There's also the various revised Editions of Basic D&D, and before that the original D&D White box

[woven flint]

That doesn't tell us what statblocks you were using lol

[vagrant quartz]

imma wait to see what the party is

[naive cedar]

If you tell them that there used to be a split between “basic” and “advanced” DND they’d explode hard enough to level Waterdeep

[vagrant quartz]

imma tweak them after i see them

[timid current]

some people count errata as a seperate edition, so for those people 5e has been at least four editions

[past latch]

they're like me fr, they're stuck between two courses and can't decide on which one they wanna follow

[buoyant oar]

That must mean they suck. I have a spreadsheet that demands optimal fun per round and if it does not meet that then they are objectively terrible subscribe to my YouTube channel/pateron/ tiktokamongus

[jovial shadow]

Basic D&D and AD&D 1e came out the same year, but Basic came out six months earlier.

[timid current]

(instead of the one that it is.)

[rose wedge]

Might be because our party is still level 4 but our monk every round is "hey guys you're not gonna believe this.... but I think imma punch it."

[past latch]

god, monks are so cool

[naive cedar]

Idk I think Ranger is fun and I get its vibe

[woven flint]

It's almost like classes have a Gameplay loop /teasing

[rose wedge]

A plague doctor way of mercy monk is my backup character. Or a character I'll play immediately if I can find a second table.

[lusty tendon]

Gotta love unique ways to cast spells.

In my recent campaign we were fighting 3 hags in a hags nest who all were blinded due to breaking their hags eyes,

So our bard had a lovely idea as we were getting surrounded and he casted thunder wave
thunder wave in a cave, yeah everyone including their hostages were deafened

[buoyant oar]

My YouTube name is DnDMasterRekt. I have become ultimate authority on all things DND. /S

[jovial shadow]

Yeah. Monks are pretty awesome

[woven flint]

Hey, somebody had to do it

[lyric viper]

I have met one person who insisted on this as the proper usage of 'edition' of a book, based on publishing. Made discussing D&D editions very difficult.

[naive cedar]

Subscribe to my DND YouTube channel where I do nothing but complain about WOTC and make fun of how other people play the game

[past latch]

tfw having fun isn't restricted to being optimal:

[lusty tendon]

My ears hurt :<

[rose wedge]

Oh I know. I just don't understand how rangers can be any more or less boring than everyone else. Shoot bow. Swing axe. Punch. bonus action hide. Like you said, there's a gameplay loop. I don't fully comprehend what Ranger does wrong as they're the butt of all the jokes.

[woven flint]

If my enemies aren't dead or permanently damaged after encountering them, am I really doing my job?

[naive cedar]

It’s just an unfunny meme the community latched onto once everyone got tired of the equally unfunny “all bards are freaks” jokes

[past latch]

their most defining traits are being homeless and being haters

[buoyant oar]

reddit.com/r/3d6 is closing in on your location

[past latch]

also very campaign dependant

[woven flint]

Because people had poor opinions about Rangers and plenty still to this day will argue its a bad class when it's really not

[lusty tendon]

As a person playing a magic detective arcane trickster i agree with this statement, a destroyed spell is better than a rampaging spell

[past latch]

good luck using a winter ranger in a beach front property

[past latch]

i'll be fine, i'm surrounded by grass

[buoyant oar]

That is a good move everyone knows that is toxic to them

[lusty tendon]

Their only saving grace is animal companions subclass

And gloomstalker builds

[past latch]

oh righttt the main reason i wanted to go ranger

[woven flint]

No, Rangers are just genuinely good.

[naive cedar]

Dnd YouTubers are just jealous that rangers touch grass

[past latch]

but then i remembered i could just turn into one with druid

[naive cedar]

Like how can you NOT love a class with an animal buddy come on

[woven flint]

Absolutely.

[lusty tendon]

I mean if you build them right they are just half druids (the fey wanderer class is pretty good as well)

[crimson gulch]

i have over 50 active players and all of them were aware of older eidtions, and a solid 15 of them have tried older eidtions

[past latch]

very helpful when you can't get your druid to be your animal buddy

[reef copper]

Rangers are fine, they sacrifice efficiency for flexibility. But that also means they will more seldom be irrelevant

[past latch]

rangers are a good subclass

[woven flint]

Rangers did the opposite in 2024
They sacrificed flexibility for efficiency /half-joke

[past latch]

they are an npc class /j

[naive cedar]

I was being facetious to make fun of how many players don’t seem to read anything

[lusty tendon]

Personally not a fan with 2024 edition’s change to certain magics

Plus not getting into 5.5 until its fully fleshed out like 5

[rose wedge]

We get a lot of there here apparently.

[past latch]

ive only gone back to d&d today so i cannot actually deny the not reading allegations

[woven flint]

I am lol
I used to hate New Counterspell, but I'll defend it now!

What happened to inflict Wounds was a travesty, however.

[lusty tendon]

This

[naive cedar]

From what I can tell most people seem to be picking what they like from 2024 and ignoring what they don’t like esp since it’s so recent and it’s supposed to be backwards compatible

[buoyant oar]

I treat the new rules as an effective new edition. It is so liberating to not have to keep up with 25 books of options again.

[lusty tendon]

I also dont like how you dont get suprise rounds anymore

[uncut zenith]

I love the new summons spells

[empty thicket]

what they changed on them?

[woven flint]

I like the new conjure spells
Less work for everyone involved

[uncut zenith]

A DM and player, though I don’t see why that matters for my opinion