dnd-discussion

[karmic junco]

Does anyone else inspire dnd species off of different animals? For example i made my two main drider npcs based on specific spiders! And in my last campaign I made my furbolg npc based on a species of deer that never loose their spots : D

[empty thicket]

Leaving a member of the team behind, its the act
Getting shoot in the back of the skull might be the consequence

[gentle dune]

hello

[scenic zinc]

No. They're encouraging pvp unnecessarily. That's uncool of them.

[empty thicket]

A honey badger
Small
+2 in constitution
Resistance to frightened and poisons
Claws attack and bite attack
25feets of movement by base

[granite swan]

what is the treasure section for?

[scenic zinc]

-# you'll never guess this... but treasure.

[karmic junco]

Oooo

[empty thicket]

Yep, i know. I will see what i do later, maybe i just give them a lil slap in teh back of the head. Maybe i end up getting one executed.
I like how they dont realize im (without sounding edgy) the most lethal of them and still left me behind

[empty thicket]

was thinking of sacrifice the resistances for tough but idk if that wouldn`t be too much

the 25ft was a way to kinda balance it

[granite swan]

so you can just put anything

[scenic zinc]

It's a game of imagination. Yeah.

[empty thicket]

except milk, that get bad and no one want spoiled milk

unless is a chest of preservation, aka, the perfect fridge

[karmic junco]

I made my drider based on a spiny orbweaver! Which can cause a bee sting like effect to humans so im trying to think of how to translate that into an attack lol

[empty thicket]

the spider?

[karmic junco]

Yes! Its a type of spider that i think are super neat!

[hushed mason]

I would assume the "bee stink like effect" is a bite.

[civic nova]

Lingering damage effect?

[granite swan]

yeah that makes some scene i was just wondering whether i could put my item duplicants in that section instead of putting it all in equipment

[hushed mason]

That is how spiders deliver venom.

[karmic junco]

Yeah!

[karmic junco]

Ooo i could do that!

[empty thicket]

welp, first see if there is any homebrew spider kind of creature, might help you wiht some numbers
Now, you can either, add an attack that could be used X times, like the Example, Dragonborns with their breath attack
OR
Add an extra to some sort of attacks, like this Cat race that add extra damage to unnamed attacks

Can be a bite too, a slash, a sting in some part of the body like joints, etc. etc.

[civic nova]

Unarmed strike that deals 1d4 piercing damage, makes a Con save against the DC (8+Con+Proficiency) or gain the Poisoned condition. While Poisoned, they take 1d4 poison damage at the start of each of their turns.

Something like that

[karmic junco]

Ooo thank you guys for the help!! I dont do custom combat stuff too often since my players prefer to keep combat to a minimum but I will definitely be using your ideas!

[hushed mason]

A bite attack, not an unarmed strike. Dont they have such things in 5th?

[civic nova]

Either thing. But yeah I believe so.

[empty thicket]

Oh and for being a spider can add a free Web spell use per day if you want, if not for terms of balance that is okey

or climbing dont cost half of your speed too, idk. I dont would like to make it too op but not too weak either

[karmic junco]

Oh thats cool!! Thank you!

[gray granite]

I this a good layout for the front page of my character journal? (Pretend all the stats are there). #dnd-arts-and-crafts

Is there other information that would be best on that page?

[foggy creek]

Is there some sort of issue with Dnd beyond Maps VTT? i keep getting a retry message

[hot gate]

It does have some hiccups from time to time, but at the moment it's running for me.

[hot gate]

Perhaps heroic inspiration?

[gray granite]

We have status rings to put on the minis for things like that

[unborn lotus]

Heroic Inspiration lasts beyond combat though and also can be used in non-combat situations... It's not generally a status effect

[gray granite]

Yea we have custom ones, and i just keep it on my mini out of combat

[hot gate]

Alright, fair enough
Other than that, I like the layout, has all that is needed. Well, other than the ability <>skills pairs not working out to equal size once you look at them. Constitution, for instance, does not have any associated skill. Wisdom has five. Strength has one.

[wanton wind]

Hey all I’m here now reading through the chat.

[strong cedar]

Guys I'm going to get a starter set but which one should I get

[stiff rock]

Are you new or have you played before?

[wanton wind]

best if everyone’s brand new and you want the simplest “open the box and play” experience

[strong cedar]

Haven't played before and im new

[stiff rock]

Ah okay

[wanton wind]

how are you

[stiff rock]

Heroes of the borderlands comes with the most essentials - maps, tokens, cards, etc. I hear the stories are quite good as well

My personal favourite is the dragons of stormwreck isle, but that's only because it was the first game I ever played

[stiff rock]

I am good

[strong cedar]

I will check those both out

Thanks

[stiff rock]

No worries

[wanton wind]

If you’re totally new, I’d recommend Dragons of Stormwreck Isle. It’s designed specifically for first time players and DMs, teaches the rules gradually, and the adventure is very beginner friendly.

[wanton wind]

Heroes of the Borderlands is great too, but it throws a lot more components at you at once. Stormwreck Isle is easier to learn without feeling overwhelmed.

[strong cedar]

Thank you i will check that out aswell

Thanks guys😁

[wanton wind]

You’re making a great choice jumping into D&D hope you have an awesome first game. If you ever need help with characters, rules, or running your first session, just shout. Have fun!

[strong cedar]

Thank you I hope you have fun in your next campaign😁

[wanton wind]

Thanks!
Wishing you an amazing first campaign too may your dice roll high and your party survive the chaos.

[deft juniper]

Gud morning

[stiff rock]

I prefer borderlands for absolute beginners as it comes with more stuff for running the game. I don't know what stormwreck includes as ive only played the campaign part but I know borderlands has maps, tokens, item cards, and some other conveniences that make it a little less overwhelming for new DMs

Things that you can go on to use outside that campaign too

[wanton wind]

Heroes of the Borderlands really shines for brand new DMs because all the physical aids (maps, tokens, cards, etc.) reduce the mental load of running the game. Having everything laid out can make the first few sessions feel much less intimidating.

[stiff rock]

I would run stormwreck for new players but if the DM is new i'd do borderlands

[wanton wind]

Stormwreck Isle is great for new players because it eases everyone into the rules and story, but if the DM is also brand new, Heroes of the Borderlands is probably the better pick since all the maps, tokens, and cards take a lot of pressure off running the game.

[unborn lotus]

Btw Deva if you're around, do you do commissions? I just discovered your art by stalking you and it's incredible

[hot gate]

Oh that's very kind, but you should send me a DM about this, as it's very offtopic.

[lethal otter]

good morning, how is ecerybody doing

been a while since i came to this server

[still plover]

G'day Mister. How are you keeping?

[brave folio]

Is anyone in Augusta with a DND group that takes newcomers

[severe rampart]

You can see if there are in #looking-for-players

[wanton wind]

What do you want ?

[burnt cave]

Who else has dnds on Saturdays?

[stark tundra]

Anyone wanna help me in homebrew with my nano machines

[reef tundra]

“Nanomachines, son”

[still plover]

Throw out an idea there, see if anyone has a thought.

[stark tundra]

Exactly it's a a warforged sub species

Basically I got the ins and outs just thinking of what the different bots could do

[still plover]

Well, if you're asking, I'd say copy the structure of other species with subtypes, and try not to overload them with Neat Features. They just need to be distinct.

[stark tundra]

Ok so what they are aren't taking over others

Just trying to expand his own legion

[still plover]

Why don't you start with what you have in mind over in #homebrew ?

[vivid latch]

Hello i want to start the Dragons of Stormwreck Isle Kampagne as a newby dm to dnd for 4 Friends who are also new to dnd I have the physical Box and I’m overwhelmed with everything in it I tried to get the online Variante on dndbeyond but Don’t get it where to find it. Help pls

[vague steppe]

Ah heyo imma foxy bandit! (Usually rogue or fighter!)

[loud kindle]

I replied in the Newcomers chat with a URL to the DND beyond shop

[dense flax]

I am getting qurious why there has not been any announcements for upcoming books

[grand raven]

Are there any people hosting campaigns in CET time zone? I’ve checked through #looking-for-players many times and its quite hard to find anything which matches my timezone •-•

[idle oar]

You'd have to go through the Looking For Game channels and translate the times to your time.

But I'd also worry less about the exact timezone and just see if when they play could work with your schedule.

[reef tundra]

I’ve seen no campaign that’s in my timezone, but many of them still work for my schedule

[balmy pendant]

Seeing all the regions described in Heroes of Faerun I wonder if there will be more detailed books a la Adventures in Faerun for other regions

[lethal otter]

its alr, life not beoing that great but i am managing

[sharp acorn]

Hi everyone

[undone tendon]

Hello

[sharp acorn]

how are uu

[marble lion]

Try other euro servers. This is official dnd and America based. Some US play noon though so you can join them too.

[fiery kayak]

Recommended weapon skills for Fighter?

[balmy pendant]

you mean masteries? What weapons do you want to use?

[worn lagoon]

If you find an EU-based DnD server I'm interested too

[fiery kayak]

I went with battle-axe, whip, and antimatter rifle for close, mid and long range respectively with each having a different ailment property.

[grand raven]

Im keeping my eyes peeled, the ones i can seem to find are paid for tho

[fiery kayak]

I selected Great Weapon Fighting

[spring lion]

That seems pretty good tbh

[fiery kayak]

My background is I guess former soldier turned mercenary

[spring lion]

Thats actually a good background,sounds pretty neat

I feel thats a good route

[fiery kayak]

I agree. It's simple and it explains their profession quite well and leaves enough ambiguity that I can insert myself anywhere and do most things without it seeming forced.

[spring lion]

That's gonna be really fun to play with,being able to just do things basically casually

[marble lion]

Anti matter rifle?

[delicate owl]

Anti-matter rifle is only approved by dm per campaign. It isnt an avaiable choice for players, unless the dm says so, that's why it is in the dmg, not the phb.

So, id ask before you assume.

[fiery kayak]

I see

[marble lion]

I dont even know what that is

[hot gate]

A weapon from the DMG

[fiery kayak]

Recommended long range weapon option? Preferably something that applies some kind of debuff or negative ailment to the target that isn't already covered by my other weapons?

[marble lion]

Are you making a character for a campaign you know youll be playing soon?

[fiery kayak]

No. This is my first time making a character seriously.

[marble lion]

Ah

[frail summit]

Hii

[fiery kayak]

Hello, Soph.

[marble lion]

Just keep in mind that most DMs want you to make a char with their parametres in mind, not bring a full sheet

Its good practice though so keep it up

[humble cairn]

What are your other weapons? And do you have Weapon Mastery?

[fiery kayak]

Battle-axe (topple) whip (slow)

[marble lion]

Are you strength or dex?

If youre fullon strength, consider javelins instead of forcing dex attacks with ranged weapons

[humble cairn]

Why don't you use Battle Axe and Longbow? Whip doesn't seem super necessary. You're downgrading to a d4 fo damage just for reach?

[humble cairn]

Oh yeah, that's also a good consideration.

[fiery kayak]

The healthy dose of both.

[marble lion]

Id recommend prioritising one

[humble cairn]

What, exactly, though?

[fiery kayak]

I figured that having something that I can use at mid-range to maybe restrain my enemy so that my allies can get easier time hitting them would be nice especially if that target happened to be an animal and I did put into animal handling

[marble lion]

Dnd doesnt like spread out stats tbh

You want your main high, not 3 mediocre ones

[humble cairn]

Whip doesn't impose the Restrained condition.

[fiery kayak]

What is Slow then?

[humble cairn]

Not the Restrained Condition, that's for sure.

[marble lion]

Restrained is a defined thing in dnd, thats why ophidimancer is pointing this out

[fiery kayak]

15, 14 (+1), 13, 10 (+2), 11 (+1), 9

[hot gate]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/equipment#Slow

If you hit a creature with this weapon and deal damage to it, you can reduce its Speed by 10 feet until the start of your next turn. If the creature is hit more than once by weapons that have this property, the Speed reduction doesn’t exceed 10 feet.

[humble cairn]

Generally for effectiveness it is recommended that you prioritize one attack stat over others.

[marble lion]

Your best stat is +2 that is nobueno

Id recommend making that 11 a 10 to get 15 to 16

[humble cairn]

Two odd numbered stats for your main attack stats is sadness 🙁

[fiery kayak]

Okay that's fair

[marble lion]

Which should be str because you want your battleaxe

Actually, why a battleaxe? Use a greataxe for d12 instead of d10

[fiery kayak]

It doesn't appear that I can move past 15

Whichever one lets me use it to trip enemies. Lol

[humble cairn]

Are you playing a 2014 Half Elf?

[fiery kayak]

Fighter

[humble cairn]

That's your class, I'm asking your species.

[fiery kayak]

Wanting a Battlemaster in particular.

Human.

[humble cairn]

Battle Master is great. How are you getting +2/+1/+1?

[fiery kayak]

Ability score increases.

[marble lion]

Level ups?

[humble cairn]

Ahh, what level are you?

[fiery kayak]

1. Using D&D Beyond to make a character.

[marble lion]

You dont get 4 asi at level 1

Me confuse

[humble cairn]

Ok start from the beginning. Are you using 2014 rules or 2024?

[fiery kayak]

I'll just start over and we'll take it from there.

[humble cairn]

Are you using 2014 or 2024?

[fiery kayak]

Selected custom and beginner. Applied name.

Looks like 2014

It has a list of several options already checked. Including 2014 core rules and 2014 expanded rules.

[humble cairn]

Is your DM allowing the expanded rules from Tasha's Cauldron of Everything?

[fiery kayak]

It's worth noting that I do not have a DM and that the template simply allows for all options

[humble cairn]

Are you hoping to make a character to play? Or just to practice making them?

[fiery kayak]

Yes but that is not necessarily the only priority.

[dim wasp]

ogre

[fiery kayak]

It would ideally make sense to be able to use the character I spend my time making but I am primarily making the character to get a feel for character creation.

[humble cairn]

Hmm ... it might be better to go 2024 rules, since more and more tables will probably be using it.

[snow zephyr]

You can never go wrong with human fighter

[fiery kayak]

I'm okay with whatever standard commonplace rules that will allow me to use my character in most situations.

Human fighter is in my blood.

[snow zephyr]

Human fighter is boilerplate, it's basic and ubiquitous. As long as you're not using off the wall rules you should be able to join almost any table with a human fighter

[humble cairn]

Just so you know, DNDBeyond isn't a good teaching tool. It's a great assistant for people who already know the rules, but it's not a great way to learn the rules.

[knotty pasture]

Name yourself John Baldur to make sure you're the standard character amongst standard characters

The ol reliable, the safe meal you have on a bad day that's just nice

[fiery kayak]

I see. I checked every option except good weight which I disabled.

[snow zephyr]

Books+paper and pencil=faster learning

[fiery kayak]

Would be cool if there was the standard template sheet but could be interacted with digitally

[crimson gulch]

there is a form fillable pdf sheet for charicters in the basic rules

[snow zephyr]

There are pre-gen sheets

[crimson gulch]

https://media.dndbeyond.com/compendium-images/br/ph/character-sheet.pdf here it is

[humble cairn]

Yeah, that's maybe not necessarily the best way to learn the rules. You could check out #learn-to-play and then follow the character creation rules here: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/creating-a-character#CreateYourCharacter

[crimson gulch]

using this and the basic rules will teach you more than the glut of options in dnd beyond charicter creator

[snow zephyr]

I recommend staying inside the phb to start

Players handbook

[buoyant oar]

Yea going beyond the Basic Rules and PHB for your first time is asking for a bad time.

[fiery kayak]

Would be cool if someone could walk me through it but I understand.

[urban gull]

I'd recommend reading through your class/race in the book as you're creating (whether that be digital or physical) and not just going through the dndbeyond character sheet

[fiery kayak]

Feels a little overwhelming.

[snow zephyr]

#learn-to-play is a good place to start

[fiery kayak]

Like someone asking me a series of questions and I simply answer them and work from there.

[humble cairn]

Not quite what this channel is for, but over at #dnd-newcomers I believe that's what they do.

[snow zephyr]

Both channels are useful resources for what you're looking for

[fiery kayak]

I'm there now.

[worn lagoon]

Did someone say human fighter named John

[urban gull]

This is a typical question but still: Amulet of Proof against Detection and Location... Conceals from all divination? I'm aware of the sentence mentioning scrying sensors, but then there's the first line that just says divination spells. So, would that also shield an invisible creature from See Invisibility?

[silk hare]

btw been meaning to ask, what exactly is meant by the hextra attack?

[humble cairn]

Hextra Attack: A fan made term for the Extra Attack Features that allow you to replace one attack with a cantrip.

[silk hare]

is that 2024 only?

[crimson gulch]

the see invisibility spell effects the person using it on themself, not the invisible person, so no

[humble cairn]

No, but in 2014 only Bladesinger had it, so we didn't really need a name for it.

[silk hare]

also what classes get access to that? EK?

ah I see

[humble cairn]

In 2014 only Bladesinger, in 2024 Valor Bard and Eldritch Knight also get it.

[silk hare]

gotcha, thx for the clarification

[urban gull]

There's a feat in 2014 for it isn't there?

[humble cairn]

No

[silk hare]

war caster? its on reaction

u may use a cantrip instead of a melee attack

if that is what u meant

[urban gull]

ohh I'm thinking of the bonus action attack for Eldritch Knight in 2014

[humble cairn]

Hextra Attack is replacing any sort of attack in the Attack Action, melee or ranged.

[urban gull]

So, if that caster was wearing the amulet though, could they then not cast see invisibility?

[crimson gulch]

or, and this is the best part, guidance

i had one player love that spell so much, but then get super parranoid that they used an amulet against detection and when they tried to use guidance and it failed they were like WHAT

[urban gull]

yeah mine have been wearing it awhile and I completely forgot that guidance is a divination cantrip

I noticed on dndbeyond they've added "Unless you allow it", is that from 2024? There's no legacy version

[crimson gulch]

ah this was before the 2024 DMG dropped

the old version had no such wording

[buoyant oar]

One of the funniest moments in one of my games.

Party: at a large negotiation with nobility and bard is asked to make a persuasion check.

Cleric: "I cast guidance!"

Me: "Are you sure?"

Cleric: "Yea."

Me: Every noble in the room looks over at you as you say a magical incantation. A noble says, "Is he conjurin?"

[keen kestrel]

See, this is why I played a divine soul sorcerer, subtle spelled guidance a good number of times

[urban gull]

yeah I just saw it today, one of my players was like "But I have 2024 toggled off". I guess they didn't deem it necessary enough to make a legacy item of it like all the others

subtle spell is the bane of my existence

[crimson gulch]

its https://www.dndbeyond.com/magic-items/4569-amulet-of-proof-against-detection-and-location got a different name

so theres no legacy tag

oh wait no

[urban gull]

huh, but that's the same name?

[keen kestrel]

You can also use a spell

[crimson gulch]

its just a broken link in dnd beyond that only shows the old version in the 2014 DMG

books on the table is the way to run games in my experince, dnd beyond cant be trusted

[urban gull]

yeah I usually use my books either way, I just use dndbeyond for their sheets

[humble cairn]

Not with Hextra Attack.

[quiet olive]

Where can I post my baldurs gate 3 character if allowed.

[livid owl]

I think #dnd-heroforge-etc

[swift copper]

So i wanna make something like a wwe wrestler charachter. I was thinking of monk multiclass with fighter battlemaster. Any thoughs?

[lean wigeon]

that tracks

[worn lagoon]

The booming blade + regular attack thingy, right

[worn lagoon]

Divine soul seems so cool until you get severe decision paralysis from having 2 spell lists and three spells from them combined

Don't get me wrong, it's still cool, but god I hate the pressure at lower levels

[spring light]

bard with high str

[tawdry sentinel]

No unarmed focus barbarian subclasses are there?

[karmic pendant]

I guess beast barbarian kind of is

[keen kestrel]

Time to play an ek and get war magic

[keen kestrel]

It was fun, but to be fair, I had already picked out my spell list ahead of time. Basically took a minimum few healing spells, then fireball/haste/revivify for third level spells

I also intended to take spirit guardians at some point and mass healing word, but my party didn’t take buttloads of damage so I figured twin spell plus healing word would get the job done most of the time

[brave folio]

My bad just saw this but I was thinking more of an in person group

[still plover]

Check libraries, hobby shops and Facebook groups for starters.

[worn lagoon]

It's definitely a lot less choking after lv6-7

[worn lagoon]

Metamagic healing spells are so cool

[humble cairn]

I need a magic item to use as a place holder that is Uncommon, Requires Attunement, but doesn't otherwise affect my character sheet.

[keen kestrel]

I hope they update it for 2024, maybe give you some prepared spells up front based on the morality you choose, then change the level 6 feature

[keen kestrel]

Broom of flying

[humble cairn]

Thanks!

[keen kestrel]

I used it way too much as a divine soul not to remember it lol

It was my favorite magic item (until my dm tried to blast me out of the sky, but he still failed)

[timber turtle]

What races rules could I use if I wanted to play as Frankensteins monster?

[spring light]

human?

[pliant sapphire]

Reborn lineage

[spring light]

oh reborn is good pick

[still plover]

Which species has the features you feel fit best?

Could be goliath, or orc?

[stray sage]

here is a bit of a question, would you consider D&D to be a "strategy game"?

[empty thicket]

mine from last session was, we had the paladin chained up because he was under a cursed influence, he was sobbing because the demon that cursed him was tormented him and even force him to get into a frenzy and attack us, luckily i managed to grapple him and put him down without harming him.

He was sobbing, chained up and i thought, maybe i can give him a napkin
"hey, do you want a napkin" offering him one
HE WAS ALL CHAINED UP.
Artificer: He cant move his hand, what are you doing?

[snow zephyr]

Depends on the campaign

[stray sage]

its just that i usually dont like strategy games but i do like D&D so im wondering if im a hypocrite or something

[still plover]

It has elements of strategy games, especially if you play with maps and minis.

[empty thicket]

Strategy and luck, you can plan stuff but still, situations can happen

[snow zephyr]

The difference is that D&D is about roleplaying above everything else

[spring light]

it can definitely be about strategy.

[reef tundra]

I myself run games that encourage strategy

[snow zephyr]

I want to run a Map Game TM campaign

[reef tundra]

Enemies in my games certainly use them, so often players counter attack with other strategies

[worn lagoon]

People hate turn based games and spend 5 nintendillion dollars on pokemon games, it's not unusual

[empty thicket]

for me is being consistent with a strategy with some kind of enemies

[snow zephyr]

Most enemies won't rise above tactics, your BBEG has a strategy usually, but your average do-bad is going to be focusing on things like small unit tactics

[lavish flame]

I want the Birthright setting to come back in hopes that itll come with "Running a State" rules

[stray sage]

so... would you say im a hypocrite?

[empty thicket]

No(?)

[snow zephyr]

Statecraft the logical conclusion to the bastion system

[empty thicket]

isnt that important too, just enjoy the game and that it is

[worn lagoon]

No, refer to this

[lavish flame]

right???

[snow zephyr]

"I have a castle that could defend against a demigod, but I'm not gonna leave it to take anything else over"

[stray sage]

i mean i would argue that those people are also hypocrites

[reef tundra]

I dislike most turn based games except for dnd strangely

And other TTRPGs. But regular RPGs, not a fan

JRPGs sometimes though

[snow zephyr]

Iirc, you used to be able to appoint a castellan so you were able to go forth and conquer

[lavish flame]

Especially when a common villain in D&D is "evil/corrupted leader". When you depose that figure, its only natural to want to assume their power.

[snow zephyr]

Don't tempt me frodo

There's also the political intrigue angle that's really neat

[stray sage]

for me its that i disliked warhammer total war (i think, im not entirely sure how i feel on the game) because for the most part it felt very "detached", as in you werent really doing anything yourself you were just watching other people fight.

Atleast in D&D i get to be part of the action so to speak

[marble lion]

Total war isnt turnbased in the actual combat

[worn lagoon]

I claim to love turnbased games but I only ever play DnD and FF

[spring light]

FFT

[snow zephyr]

I try to balance social with combat. If you're able to politick well then you're gonna have an easier time with conquest, if you blunder your social battles then you may find more foes along your journeys

[worn lagoon]

Goated game

[spring light]

i still need to play the remaster of fft

[worn lagoon]

It has time mages, it's automatically cool

[spring light]

i like the orators, and turning enemies into allies

or dark knights who learned dances, and do their dark knight attacks as dances to every enemy on the board

[worn lagoon]

Faith and bravery are interesting mechanics, imagine your cleric leaving midway through the campaign to seek god

[spring light]

_> yeah.... that's happened to me a few times in fft

[worn lagoon]

Pwoosh, now it will happen in your next dnd game as well

[spring light]

as the dm, i'll probably try to avoid removing pc unless they want it

[empty thicket]

my 10 charisma fighter would love this

and hate it

[snow zephyr]

That's just it, certain fighters have to deal with courts and nobles

[empty thicket]

unless i leave the talk to my bard

[still plover]

"Ho, priest! Let me introduce you to your god!" Enemy champion hefts battleaxe.

[worn lagoon]

We had a player who figured she'd not be able to make it to any session for a while, so we said her bard died of alcohol poisoning offscreen.

[empty thicket]

I know, fighter is one of those classes that focus in one thing and i like it. I have to work out my other stuff
Nothing is more arguing resolving than a death stare

[snow zephyr]

Then you lose standing amongst the nobility

[worn lagoon]

Atheism as a debuff that shuts down spellcasters is funny

[empty thicket]

im no noble, im a warrior, soldier, mercenary. A conqueror

[snow zephyr]

No class should be locked into operating in one specific areas

[empty thicket]

A conqueror dont need words, just the strength to back him up and i dont mind my bard doing the talking while i do the fighting

[snow zephyr]

Fighters used to get titles and would semi- frequently get called upon by the nobility

Conquerors need to be excellent orators

[empty thicket]

that is a king wanting to have a person capable of fight against anything in front of him, in his side, instead of anothers side

[spring light]

eek

[snow zephyr]

In a good social session, all members of the party should have a way to engage with the social situation

[snow zephyr]

Or a castellan you need to convince to lend you resources

[empty thicket]

oh yeah, my character even having not so good charisma i give my piece of the cake with my words

[still plover]

This I'm with you on, certainly.

[snow zephyr]

10 is better charisma than the average person

[worn lagoon]

She thought the idea was hilarious and IC so she made it canon. We might save her someday when she's back.

[snow zephyr]

If you're a siege professional and you're talking to a castellan then you should be getting situational advantage fairly often

[hearty bay]

Did the bard need to die

[spring light]

"She got better!"

[worn lagoon]

No, she just thought it was funny

[snow zephyr]

"bring out yer dead"

[hearty bay]

"rumours of my death were overly exaggerated" on a triumphant entry

[worn lagoon]

I'm sure one of those res spells can give her a new liver...

[hearty bay]

"I did have to dig myself out of a tomb, though"

[worn lagoon]

Lol

[empty thicket]

Yep, that is why i at least put a bar in my talking and wording. I tried before to dont end up fighting and gave some window to talking, it kinda worked in some uncanny ways.
But always with the hand in the pommel of the sword.

I made it out with some talkings, exchanging with a tribe some shinny crystals for a cannon, made understand some harpies that they had to move away or things would get bad, talked with a companion that was having a hard moment, etc. etc.

[snow zephyr]

The difference between a commander and a footman is that a commander can tell you why, when, where, what, and how you should be doing something in such a way that it becomes the only logical course of action. The footman must rely on intimidation and banners

[hearty bay]

If I were to retire my character, I'd just send him back home and maybe have him send someone else to the party

There's a risk that happens, depending on how the story unfolds in the next session

I might use the opportunity to play as a bugbear

[empty thicket]

I try to be a commander, mostly because other times my teammates dont have some leader spirit and they are kinda... chaotic....

Will leave the command to any of them in any session tho, would like to see how things end up

[empty thicket]

Build a cabin in the forest or nearby some village, mine will do it too for himself

[snow zephyr]

Commanders require political prowess as much as they require fortune

[quick mirage]

I don’t know where to put this, but had my first experience as a player in a campaign with a “main character energy” player bail because two of our PC didn’t like his (he was Paladin lawful good, they were two drows one LE one CE) it had already been a struggle but his in game character was equally abhorrent

[spring light]

did you guys discuss your characters before the campaign?

[quick mirage]

Yes and that was the Incredibly annoying part

[snow zephyr]

Also, if you're wanting to run a commander type fighter then I recommend reading The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli

[hoary totem]

Wizards actually studied and turned up to the exam with straight As.
Sorcerers just passed and don't care because they're jocks who get their respect somewhere else.
Warlocks got an entire deal with an underground group of cheating students and put way more work into cheating than studying.

[spring light]

You guys discussed "we're going to be playing evil characters in a campaign with a lawful good paladin"?
How did the DM handle that?

[snow zephyr]

Letting a CE character in requires an immense amount of trust in the player

[spring light]

Yeah, I'm pretty cautious about characters that are overtly evil in my games.

also cautious about lg paladin being overbearing and trying to "control" the party dynamic

[snow zephyr]

Lawful Good =/= Lawful Stupid

[spring light]

any alignment taken to "stupid" isn't a lot of fun to play with.

unless above table it's clearly conveyed and understood that the character is stupid, and the intent is for them to grow and develop

[quick mirage]

Well it’s in CoS, campaign, and the DM used NPCs to push the “you all have to work together or you’re going to die” narrative whenever there was disagreement. The CE kept to themselves honestly, and the LE was trying to be ffriends to the best of their abilities even saved the paladins life if wasn’t for lack of trying we even had a NG who they couldn’t stand because they wouldn’t be best friends

It wasn’t for lack of anyone trying to be friends

[vagrant quartz]

when the important church relic goes missing after the party left the church an hour ago.... "must have been the wind"

[spring light]

For me it's less about in character stuff, if there is ooc disharmony.

[snow zephyr]

Again, The Prince

[spring light]

i think what i meant to say was "i'm sorry you had an experience like that, and 'that guy' will eventually show up if you play long enough. I hope it didn't ruin future play for you."

[vagrant quartz]

char 1 does something char 2 is REALLY against, char 1 will have consequences as soon as char 2 is aware, which can be .... Dire

[snow zephyr]

Situations like that can be fun if it's talked about before the events take place in game

[quick mirage]

The actual player, would justify the PC, there were multiple times I tried to talk to them on a OoC level and it was no more successful

[vagrant quartz]

absoltely

[quick mirage]

Haha well thank you, and it hasn’t the rest of the party did stay and it didn’t fall apart…it had been a concern point OoC that a lot of us just tried to work past

[small crypt]

Barbarian, Goliath, and large form

[vagrant quartz]

add eagle rage thingy + like cloud giant tp and you become the most mobile thing ever seen

[small crypt]

Eagle rage? Also, I have stone Goliath for extra defense

[vagrant quartz]

yk the barbarian animal heart thingy

if i remember correctly theres an eagle one that makes you zoom a lot

[umbral girder]

Oh yeah my level 6 ranger has 65 ft of movement with a bonus action dash! I love mobility builds!

[small crypt]

No, I dont really, im not particularly smart and im running path of the berserker

[vagrant quartz]

Oh alright , it's another subclass

[worn lagoon]

I am normal and can be trusted to play an oathbreaker in a party full of good PCs

[snow zephyr]

#therecommendedreadingisrecommendedforareason

[hollow stone]

i love instantaneously locomoting as many feet as possible :D

[quick mirage]

That’s good!

[umbral girder]

Fun part too is Ranger also gets a Swim speed and Climb speed.

[blissful bolt]

hello everyone glad to meet you all!

[umbral girder]

I out swam Giant sharks in an encounter

[hollow stone]

ascend the BBEG's tower from the outside

[vagrant quartz]

probably should have contacted redbull to make an ad out of that scene

[empty thicket]

then nvm, im poor like a potato

[neat belfry]

hi

[umbral girder]

Rangers got all I want: Speed and Utility

[empty thicket]

i doubt i will get any big money so, i will be making my little cabin in the forest

[hollow stone]

never forget poor Sun Tsu, my boy got praised through history for writing a book that just says "Soldiers need to be fed, btw."

[snow zephyr]

Fortune as in luck

[empty thicket]

oh, then in that im good.
Still i would try to dont interact with nobles directly, i have enough ethnocentrism from my giant robot machine boss

Love her, is like a glados but being a employer

[snow zephyr]

Sun Tzu, Niccoló Machiavelli, Baldassare Castiglione, and many more famous strategic masters boils down to "not being overthrown is good, actually"

[snow zephyr]

Leverage them to amass your own army

Pull the levers your conquest afford you

[hollow stone]

it would be really funny to make a character who's gotten a reputation as a famous "world class strategist who could conquer the material planes if they put their mind to it", and their strategy literally boils down to "make your soldiers like you and feed them and don't fight people on high ground"

[snow zephyr]

Oh, and "don't tell them you're coming"

[hollow stone]

like they're moderately terrible at everything but have like 14 WIS and INT and just happened to be a different general's kid

[hollow stone]

"the master of modern warfare" and they literally just served in military middle management and figured out that most of the problems are malnutrition, morale, and telegraphing assaults

[empty thicket]

Na, fortunately the goal of my Fighter isnt being a "God of war"
Is more getting his own house, family and have them safe

Being the kind father that say stories about some adventurers and some epic stories, until someday that father had to show his kids that those stories were his past

[woven flint]

Hello, friends

[umbral girder]

It’s the Tokii

Soon to be Vampire food.

Strahd Snack

[woven flint]

Hey, Hey, Sovis would PROBABLY taste bad to Strahd, I mean, think about where he's probably been?

[umbral girder]

Think about where Strahd has been.

[shy swan]

Quick question y'all. In looking for player/DM, does the form submit right away or does it post after approval. I don't want to double post

[woven flint]

Fair point, but don't extra good-hearted people just taste horrendous to him? /joking

[woven flint]

It submits right away

[shy swan]

Dang, I must've exited before I sent. Thanks!

[woven flint]

No problem, good luck with your games, friend

[shy swan]

You too!

[woven flint]

Nealen (One if my current dms) is gonna feed my Warlock to Strahd, smh..

[shy swan]

It posted in find a game , I'm good! Thanks again!

[woven flint]

No problem :>

[severe rampart]

The art I commisioned for my character finally arrived, and I sent it in the wrong channel

[umbral girder]

GJ

[umbral girder]

Reading up on Strahd stuff ahead of time.

[woven flint]

Yippie

[severe rampart]

I know right I've been waiting 9 days

[woven flint]

I'm gonna stall asking questions to Glaive in Sigil as much as I can lmao /Joking

[woven flint]

Want a minute...
Howdy, Echo!

[severe rampart]

Yes it is I, Echo, howdy Tokii

[woven flint]

I got two Heroic Inspirations in one session with my Celestial Warlock 😎

Man is just an awesome lad

[umbral girder]

Do Heroic things and you get Heroic Inspiration is the rule

[snow zephyr]

You're not trying to become a "Lord of War"?

[nimble scroll]

I have an idea for packt of the Celestial Warlock that is really cool to me

[undone rain]

Guys what does minmaxxing mean

[umbral girder]

Minimizing parts of your build to maximize another part

[undone rain]

I see thank you

[empty thicket]

Na, just the kind of guy that if someone pay an assassin to kill him, the assassin deny it and say they like to live.

[woeful glade]

Does this discord do campains?

[snow zephyr]

That requires social prowess as well as combat prowess

[umbral girder]

No

[woeful glade]

Oh ok

[snow zephyr]

You want the person to hesitate to even try hiring an assassin

[empty thicket]

i have combat for now, working in the social ones.
Still, the point is there, making a reputation slowly and steady while proving the strength in some feats and acts.
In any way, making me that cabin, search that lady that will level up to Wifey level and other things

Oh and im searching a Pseudodragon for someday friend it and have it like a companion
I find them so cute

[small crypt]

Ah, I didn't see it due to dnd beyond

[woven flint]

Pseudodragons?
Nah, bite sized snacks

[umbral girder]

Psuedodragons are house Cat size right?

[empty thicket]

kinda, they shouldnt be treated like mascots, more like companions.
I find them cute and would like to, get home, the pseudodragon with some fire breath turn on the stove and i sit in the couch where he lay on me.
With that i will be x5 times happier

[fiery kayak]

Difference between Acrobatics and Athletics?

[small crypt]

Acrobatics is jumping and flipping, athletics is lifting

[fiery kayak]

That's what I had

Figured.

Acrobatics checks dexterity and athletics strength?

[small crypt]

Yep

[fiery kayak]

Or are those stats negligible?

Gotcha.

I had considered removing one of those in place for animal training but I think I'm going to just keep those two.

[slender canyon]

I've seen quite a few cases where they can be substituted with one-another. Granted, that's not always the case. But most just stick whichever stat mod is better for the character

[small crypt]

Ye

Btw, is there a way to get good punches without monk?

[slender canyon]

armorer artificer w/ thunder gauntlets?

if applicable, of course

[small crypt]

Whats the prerequisite

[keen kestrel]

Unarmed fighting style is an ok way to do so, or tavern brawler feat

[slender canyon]

13int

[jade garden]

Gng my first dnd characters stats so far after rolling 4 d6’s are:
13
13
16
13
12
is this good

[small crypt]

Can't use it with my barbarian

[keen kestrel]

This is certainly a set of stats lol

[small crypt]

Ty

[slender canyon]

then what Aether said

[keen kestrel]

Bit to answer, it’s alright, not really great or anything but at least you don’t have any dump stats

[slender canyon]

a 16 is useful, 13s are not really better than 12s due to stat mod rules

but you don't have any below 10, so you won't end up with negative modifiers

[jade garden]

And also wud a dragon born poison ancestry be the best for barbarian bc the book says that it’s a fifteen ft cone with a (con.save)

[jade garden]

O lol

[slender canyon]

poison is generally one of the worst damage types

[jade garden]

That’s good

[worn lagoon]

That's good for rolled stats

[jade garden]

O, what wud u recommend for barbarian then, I thought poison bc don’t like barbarians have good constitution?

[worn lagoon]

+3 on your main stat and you can get 14's on con and dex later in one asi or somethin'

Though I guess most people would rather 18 that main stat

[jade garden]

Ngl I have no idea what u mean sry

[fiery kayak]

Battle-axe
Morningstar
Hunting Rifle

These are the weapons I've chosen.

The game plan is to hit something from far away with the hunting rifle, thus slowing it down and reducing its movement so that it takes longer for the enemy to get here, meaning that we have more time to prepare or more time to hit it and get damaged before it gets close.

Morningstar is for mid-range which will allow me to put it in disadvantaged state which means that it's next turn will essentially be weaker again providing a similar function to the hunting rifle

Battle Axe for damage obviously but also for topple effect which again is meant to hinder the enemy

[slender canyon]

barbs benefit mostly from str and con, yeah. Their tankiness comes from unarmored defense, which is 10+ (DexMod) + (ConMod) and possible resistance gained due to subclasses

[small crypt]

Oof, kinda upset I went with it for my dragonborn paladin then

[jade garden]

So uh what subrace would u recommend for Dragonborn, I wud send a pic but its not allowing mean

I heard that cone is the best

[slender canyon]

uh, 2014 or 2024? I'm a bit more familiar with 2014.

if it's 2014 and you wanna be tanky, then totem barb and pick bear first for the resistances

[jade garden]

Alr so I’ve got the book with the fire giant on it idk how old tha is

[jade garden]

O yea I was planning on that but I meant like the draconic ancestry sry I shud have been more specific

[small crypt]

I have a bunch of 2e and 2.5e books unfortunately

[slender canyon]

silver or white if you really care about the CON save

[jade garden]

I have no idea how old this book is I’m so sry I got it from my school library

[slender canyon]

both do cold damage in a cone with a CON save

[jade garden]

O tysm

[umbral girder]

2014 PHB

[small crypt]

What would be the best dragon race for healing paladin

[fiery kayak]

What does Sleight of Hand benefit?

[jade garden]

Thx

[umbral girder]

Stealing, picking locks, disarming traps mainly

[slender canyon]

however, depending on campaign and if you have good dex, you might wanna try blue or bronze. Lightning damage can be insanely useful

[fiery kayak]

Other than thievery and party tricks. Can I use it to deceive enemies into thinking I punch left when I intend to punch right? Can I use it to transfer a dagger from one hand to another without being noticed?

[slender canyon]

any that provides a charisma bonus really

[umbral girder]

No

[small crypt]

Idk which do tho

[jade garden]

That does sound cool, I was planning on lightning bc it js sounds so sick

[fiery kayak]

Ok.

As a fighter with acrobatics and athletics, given the opportunity as a human to enhance a skill through resourcefulness, what would be ideal?

[jade garden]

Wait imma like finish everything else on the character sheet and then do the dragon ancestry thx for helping

[snow zephyr]

Performance

[jade garden]

But I will prollly go for lightning

[fiery kayak]

That makes sense. I was going to consider animal handling.

Let's say I face a beast.

[slender canyon]

oh you were asking for dragonborn as well? literally pick any. PHB 2014 is +2str +1 cha. Draconblood from EGtW is +2int +1cha and from FToD it's +2 any and +1 any or 3x +1 any regardless of coloration.

[small crypt]

Hhhh

[umbral girder]

Skills generally aren’t used for fighting a monster but for out of combat stuff. Closest you got is 2014 using Athletics to shove people or acrobatics to resist shoving.

Skills are what you use during exploration and roleplaying moments primarily.

[slender canyon]

oh and UA dragonborns work the same as FToD, forgot to add that

[umbral girder]

That is the point of UA

It’s testing things before they are released.

[slender canyon]

if you want a thematic answer though, it would be FToD/UA's Crystal Gem Dragonborn

[small crypt]

Ua..?

Uhhh

[umbral girder]

UA is after all just a first draft of what comes out in the main line books.

[small crypt]

I only got the free dnd beyond

[umbral girder]

Unearthed Arcana. It’s D&D’s playtest material.

[slender canyon]

since those do Radiant damage with their breath, so it would be thematically on point

[umbral girder]

Before it becomes official content basically

[small crypt]

Uhh

I didn't pay beyond anything

[slender canyon]

I wasn't aware it worked like that. TheMoreYouKnow.png

[uncut zenith]

UA is free

[umbral girder]

UA doesn’t cost anything, it’s basically the devs showing off what they are thinking about making and let the community test it.

[uncut zenith]

It’s content that WOTC wants people to try and give feedback on so they get a better idea of what their player base wants upcoming content to look officially

It’s like “beta testing”. It’s free for the time being, but it won’t be once they publish the final product.

[umbral girder]

Yeah UA isn’t a book. It’s them preparing a book release and seeing community thoughts.

Part of why UA content is poorly made as it is very much first draft content.

[scenic zinc]

I'd argue a fair amount of UA is often better than what ends up published.

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, a lot of the UA design philosophy is “Here’s a basic idea, tell us what you think would make it better”

[small crypt]

I cant find it

[scenic zinc]

Or, at the least, often more interesting.

[fiery kayak]

13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13

How bad?

[umbral girder]

Good luck

[slender canyon]

amazing at how consistent it is, but gets you nowhere. You generally want 2 high rolls.

[umbral girder]

You will struggle

[fiery kayak]

Using point buy system it looks like anything past 13 cost 2 points

It feels inefficient.

[slender canyon]

you don't even them out regardless

[umbral girder]

That’s the point

[noble basin]

higher stats are better than lower stats so they cost more

[uncut zenith]

You’re effectively average at best

[fiery kayak]

Okay that makes sense.

[slender canyon]

decide on a class to play first, look at what it's good at, then add points appropriately, and you have a dump stat

[umbral girder]

DnD is ideally built with you having strengths and weaknesses with another player covering those weaknesses

[fiery kayak]

I put my three additional points into wisdom.

[fiery kayak]

Right

[umbral girder]

Also remember your racial/background bonuses cannot be applied to the same stat

[slender canyon]

to use the earlier named barbarian as a template, you want high str, high con, some dex. the rest kinda doesn't matter

[uncut zenith]

13 all across the board means you’re gonna be good at things that don’t matter and subpar at things that do

[fiery kayak]

So it's just me in real life.

[slender canyon]

if you're playing a martial, keep your int low. if you're a caster, keep your str low for example

[fiery kayak]

I can definitely take away from Charisma

[slender canyon]

what class are you thinking about making?

[fiery kayak]

Yes, but I felt that as a fighter, I could still make use of intelligence or wisdom under the right circumstances

Even Charisma could theoretically be useful. I could intimidate someone.

[slender canyon]

as a fighter, absolutely dump intelligence, you don't need it XD

[sullen ingot]

You don’t want to be average at everything. You want to be good at something

[uncut zenith]

Fighters are gonna wanna prioritize the “physical” attributes (meaning STR, DEX, and CON).

[fiery kayak]

I'm aware.

[umbral girder]

Tbh I’ve seen more Intelligence rolls than Charisma at my table.

[noble basin]

usually its best to pick one of dex or str and make the other a semi dump stat

[fiery kayak]

But it doesn't help to be observant of your surroundings and be able to use that for a battle plan.

[umbral girder]

Actually a decent amount of fighter subclasses need you to use INT.

[slender canyon]

just cause you have a bad stat doesn't mean you can't roll well, and just cause you have a high stat doesn't mean you can't roll crud

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, you benefit from having good mental attributes, but not at the risk of lowering your physical ones.

[fiery kayak]

That was my understanding

[slender canyon]

that's definitely possible. depends on the campaign/one shot though

[fiery kayak]

Personally, while I would obviously like my fighter to be strong, I'd like to be the kind of person who can put myself In an advantageous position so that my strength is not as important

For example, taking pot shots at an enemy from afar to whittle them down or surveying the landscape and determining that being uphill is to my benefit etc

[slender canyon]

well, it depends on what subclass you want. If you want a subclass that needs int, then invest in int. If not, dump it

[fiery kayak]

Battle Master

[worn lagoon]

i think bm dc's use strength?

[slender canyon]

you can go for a dex-based martial too. that's very viable

[noble basin]

they can use either

[fiery kayak]

I definitely want dexterity because I need that for finesse

[slender canyon]

just switch out your greatsword for a rapier 'n shield

[fiery kayak]

I want whatever this is

https://youtu.be/YshardiN8l0?si=4Qgi3QW6jl_2NAxN

[slender canyon]

if you wanna go for a dex based BM fighter, max dex, put some good investment in con so you're not a wet paper bag and kinda do whatever with the rest

and stick to light or medium armor

[fiery kayak]

What about 15, 15, 15, 8, 8 (+3), 8

[noble basin]

u cant do a +3 and besides thats not an efficient use of points

[fiery kayak]

Let's assume my priority is strength, dexterity, constitution and that I should try to get them as high as I possibly can.

With whatever is left, what should I put into?

[slender canyon]

you don't need strength if you go for a dex based

[noble basin]

yea you either choose dex or str usually

[slender canyon]

go for 16 dex 16 con and kinda muck around with the rest

[fiery kayak]

Why isn't strength useful in this case?

[slender canyon]

because it contradicts your damage output with dexterity

[fiery kayak]

I see

[noble basin]

you either use dex or str for attacking so having both high doesnt do anything since you gotta choose either or

[umbral girder]

Strength weapons hit way harder.
Dexterity have useful skills and bonuses

[slender canyon]

finesse weapons lets you use your strength OR dexterity modifier on rolls, not and

[noble basin]

ranged weapons is the main benefit

high dex lets you pick up a bow

[umbral girder]

Also Initative too

[slender canyon]

there are also a lot more dex saves from my memory than strength

[fiery kayak]

I want to be able to take advantage of things like the topple ability from a battle Axe

[slender canyon]

if you want to use a battle axe, then you can't really use dex

[noble basin]

well thats not a finesse weapon so youd need strength to wield it

[fiery kayak]

What should my stat spread look like?

[umbral girder]

Get a 14 in Dexterity and the rest in Strength and Constitution

Aka what the PHB/Basic rules says.

[slender canyon]

keep at least a neutral (10) or higher in wisdom

[umbral girder]

Fun fact the PHB 2024/Basic rules does in fact give you stat spreads for every class

[slender canyon]

yeah there is standard array

[umbral girder]

Except Artificer for obvious reasons.

[slender canyon]

but I want my unkillable tank :(

[dreamy falcon]

Does hunters mark damage take effect only 1x per turn?

[rough ocean]

At the end of the day, does it really matter what the stat spread should be - if you are gonna join a group that goes for rolled stats, you are gonna roll the stats with the group - and however the dice land then will determine what you have to play with. I don't think most groups accept pre-made characters with pre-rolled stats.

[umbral girder]

No it’s each attack from the caster

[dreamy falcon]

Thanks

[rough ocean]

Ah, unless you are doing standard array/point buy, then yeah, disregard what I said

[slender canyon]

oh, I forgor. you can't buy past 15 with point buy.

[wintry spindle]

What you do is you roll a d20 and just go by that

[rough ocean]

oof

[slender canyon]

bruh XD

[wintry spindle]

One time what I did for a oneshot was have all the stats from 8-18 in where the players could sellect from 10 numbers up to 6 times and depending on the number it corrolated to a stat

[slender canyon]

here's one more thing, try to keep your stats at an even number for modifier reasons. 15 str is no different than 14 str for example.

[vagrant quartz]

1 int time

[rough ocean]

Aye, for oneshots - rolled stats (whichever odd mechanic/system you use) is very much okay

[wintry spindle]

In fallout 1 and 2 it's really funny to have low intelligence. you cant even talk

[slender canyon]

isn't that the speedrun strat? but that's a diff topic XD

[rough ocean]

While true - and I generally would agree with that - I would say that for a new character, leaving your best stat at 15 (or 17 with the species +2) would be a good idea - since you'll be leveling up at some point, and you are just setting yourself up for the future.

[wintry spindle]

Maybe. But it's funny they coded in so many dialouges of you sounding like a caveman

[burnt valley]

i think you'd love ranger more

[severe rampart]

the highest persuasion I can roll right now is 37, how do I increase this, asking for a friend

[vagrant quartz]

Why do you need more?

[severe rampart]

why does MY FRIEND need more*, and I haven't asked him

[vagrant quartz]

Are you trying to convince ppl to off themselves?

[rough ocean]

My new character for a campaign is at 14/10/17/8/14/12 - since I will be going for STR and CON mainly - so I can get my 18 at next levelup (we start at 3). Unless ofcourse I go for a feat

[wintry spindle]

have artificer and druid on your team

[slender canyon]

you can get 18 even with some feats

[vagrant quartz]

I am very curious now

[severe rampart]

Nahhh...

[rough ocean]

Overly optimizing char takes the fun out of the game tbh

[severe rampart]

For what?

[rough ocean]

But different folks, different games, I guess

[slender canyon]

for some yes, for others it is the fun

[vagrant quartz]

"hey have you ever considered not living? Trust me you should" rolls a 36

[wintry spindle]

Guidance and artificer has a thing i forgot the name of something spark of genius? But it also boosts a skill check

[slender canyon]

I'd also say it would depend on the campaign

[severe rampart]

I'm not optimizing Charisma to beat the game, I want to give my DM a headache, that's all, and I mean my friend*

[slender canyon]

Flash of Genius

[wintry spindle]

thanks

[severe rampart]

Yeah I can cast Guidance on myself before doing the ability check I'm pretty sure

[slender canyon]

+int mod of the artificer to your roll

[wintry spindle]

bard can also boost you up with inspiration

[vagrant quartz]

When you really don't want to pay the tavern bill

[severe rampart]

are you SURE you don't want to give me this magic item for 1 copper piece?

[slender canyon]

pfft, with an artificer they can just make it

[severe rampart]

isn't that for when you fail a d20 check only?

[harsh hinge]

Obligatory "Persuasion isn't mind control."

[wintry spindle]

A persuasion check can't bend reality

[severe rampart]

Half of our team are bards

[wintry spindle]

Nope depends on the college

[slender canyon]

your poor DM lmao

[severe rampart]

the other bard is a college of swords

[vagrant quartz]

Wait lemme check something

[uncut zenith]

Yep. Persuasion checks should only apply if the target is… persuadable

[rough ocean]

Instead of getting a 40 persuasion check, just be a 2nd level spellcaster and cast Suggestion

That is most likely stronger than a convincing argument

[slender canyon]

or charm person

[snow zephyr]

A bard college campaign

[rough ocean]

charm person just makes him treat you like a friend. Nothing more

[wintry spindle]

He can also inspire you

[slender canyon]

probably gets you advantage on persuasion rolls tho

after all, it's easier to persuade a "friend"

[wintry spindle]

I've done it for a oneshot it's fun

[severe rampart]

I finally have a friend

[wintry spindle]

Bard and druids are one of the classes that work well for a 4 people party

[rough ocean]

For an hour ^^

[snow zephyr]

I'd love to play in a propaganda style campaign where the party is a band of historians writing history for a specific king

[vagrant quartz]

@severe rampart tale of the clever animal if you have a spirits bard?

[wintry spindle]

you could make a whole party with just bard. 1 sword bard. 1 lore bard. 1 eluqence bard and 1 valor bard

[severe rampart]

We do not have a spirits bard

we did have a glamour bard but they died of alcohol poisoning

[vagrant quartz]

Sad, should have brought one

[slender canyon]

how on point lmao

[wintry spindle]

But again persuasion isn't magic If you don't want to buy a thing there is no salesman that can convince you

[slender canyon]

also, why spend copper when you can have the rogue just nick it

[vagrant quartz]

Spirits bard is the best bard and no one can convince me otherwise

[umbral girder]

Bard mainly has the issue of damage and survivability but can work as a Mono class party

[wintry spindle]

Never played with a spirits bard

[vagrant quartz]

It's fun

[severe rampart]

well then, time for intimidation

[wintry spindle]

I think though the most interesting mono class bard composition would be rogues

[umbral girder]

I think Artificer, Cleric, and Ranger are the big 3 classes that can work very well as a MonoClass party.

[worn lagoon]

he apparently changed his mind last minute and became 5 hexblade 3 lore

[fiery kayak]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sheet-pdfs/melodeathxted_158962287.pdf

[rough ocean]

The next char Im gonna be playing is a druid. But I had a difficult time convincing myself to go with a druid. Eventually I proposed a little tweak to the DM for my druid. Wildshape into only one form - a bear.
The bear form will be leveling up with my levels, so it will be balanced, in some way, perhaps.
And while I can wildshape at will, the character will have a fear trigger. Whenever he fears for his life or the life of a close one, the bear will force itself as a wildshape - and this one my char will not be in control. The "fear-bear" will do **anything **it can to make sure that situation will get dealt with. Even attacking partymembers, innocent bystanders.. whatevers.

Hopefully will be a fun way to play a druid. Can't really sell myself over a "treehugger" type of a char

[severe rampart]

we're both lore bards?

[worn lagoon]

yes

[wintry spindle]

Druid has also good options Tank with moon bard, many casters and healers

[severe rampart]

Next session can we have Nuuks vaccinated

[umbral girder]

Nah Druid lacks a lot in tanking

[wintry spindle]

But I think a mono party is also fun by it's limit

Wdym Moon bard is a great tank

[umbral girder]

Temp hp isnt that good at surviving and they lack feature to help with face skills

[wintry spindle]

sorry moon druid*

[slender canyon]

btw on a sidenote, can I request a DM's insight on some homebrew stuff? lmao

[harsh hinge]

#homebrew is where to go!

[umbral girder]

A lot of undead and fiends (the most common monsters in the game) just ignore temp hp

[wintry spindle]

But I think a mono party is mostly fun when it's a class that gets limited also by the lack of varity

Like 4 rogues having to be creative with healing

[severe rampart]

should I have gotten Cleric for Magic Initiate?

[wintry spindle]

4 barbarians throwing eachother to get closer to the evil wizard

[severe rampart]

Oh my god this is the all pokemon vs 1 billion lions debate all over again

[worn lagoon]

isn't this just expedition 60

[crimson gulch]

what?

[wintry spindle]

Yes

[severe rampart]

Anyway, like I said should I have gotten Cleric for Magic Initiate?

[wintry spindle]

wdym

To get what spell?

[umbral girder]

Max hp drain mainly

[worn lagoon]

what for?

[severe rampart]

I leveled up to level 8 and wasa given the option to pick a feat, I chose Magic Initate (Cleric), I got two cantrips which were Guidance and Sacred Flame, and for the 1st level spell "Protection against good and evil"

[umbral girder]

And in 2024’s stats having auto condition on a hit this hurts Moon Druids even more as their AC takes a while to get up

[worn lagoon]

well, uh, why

[crimson gulch]

oh yes, the artificer with the protector unit was like OH NO when the mac hp drain hit them last time

[worn lagoon]

isn't that spell in the bard spell list already

[umbral girder]

Max hp drain basically does double damage to people with Temp hp

[wintry spindle]

I mean sure depends how hard you are going for optimization vs flavor for your pc

whats your class?

[severe rampart]

I could've picked from Druid or Wizard, for now I wanted to go supportive so I needed Guidance which Wizard didn't have then I got Protection against good and evil because we're in hell

[wintry spindle]

Avernus?

[severe rampart]

Yeah

[worn lagoon]

apparently i was wrong and bards do not get it

[wintry spindle]

Ah well I think flavvor wise it's good to choose cleric blessing to try to survie avernus

Protection against good and evil is that concentration?

[severe rampart]

you mean Bless?

[small crypt]

Bleh

[severe rampart]

Yeah

[wintry spindle]

I mean just picking abilitees from a cleric to survive avernus is just good RP

you are a bard?

[severe rampart]

yep

[wintry spindle]

Ah ok. Well keep in mind then how many concentration spells you pick

[severe rampart]

when I'm level 9 I might pick up Synaptic Static

[wintry spindle]

Bards biggest problem is they have a lot of good spells but they all require concentration

but you are a sword bard?

[severe rampart]

Lore Bard

[wintry spindle]

2024 or 2014?

[worn lagoon]

14

hadarless bard, so sad

[fiery kayak]

I finished my character and took screenshots of it

[worn lagoon]

(i don't even know how good hunger of hadar is in the tabletop)

[fiery kayak]

I think I'm satisfied but it would be cool if someone could look over it and tell me if it's legal or whatever.

[severe rampart]

John we're still in the secret tunnel thing right?

I am begging you, please let me kill that Kobold

actually nevermind, my character is not doing so well in HP

[wintry spindle]

Hunger of hadar is amazing

[worn lagoon]

hadar was so goated in bg3, i never used it in the tabletop though

[wintry spindle]

It's pretty great

[worn lagoon]

poor guy has like 5 hp and he isn't even paid a wage

c'mon now

[jade garden]

Guys is animal handling and survival good for a barbarian bc I wanna be a folk hero and not an outlander that they recommend

[stoic haven]

What do you want from your barbarian?

[keen kestrel]

Very strong, though it’s even better for a warlock with the push on eldritch blast

[jade garden]

Ig to be tanky and hit things hard idk it’s my first character

[rough ocean]

Very much depends on the setting you'll be playing. And the DM and their playstyle and preferences

[worn lagoon]

my impression of it from bg3 was exactly that, plus archfey's plant growth to turn it into an inescapable trap

[jade garden]

Damn I have not been able to get in contact with the dm but he’s starting a new campaign

[woven flint]

Hunger Of Hadar is Darkness but Spicy

[worn lagoon]

i love spicy reflux darkness

[rough ocean]

most of the questions we can simply guess on - but the DM can give you specific answers regarding the game and the setting

If it is an urban adventure - animal handling might be useless

and/or survival. But for a jungle/forest thing - sure, it might come in handy

[wintry spindle]

there are rats in the urban

[jade garden]

Yea but I rlly like the background options of folk hero tbh

[wintry spindle]

Folk hero is awesome

[rough ocean]

But at the end of the day - it really comes down to how your DM will treat things - who your character is. And what the world around them is

[ivory jewel]

Hi

[wintry spindle]

you get free snacks at peoples houses

[jade garden]

They kinda match up with the background I was planning anyway lol

[scenic zinc]

Most skills rely on the dm calling for them, like most rolls

[worn lagoon]

my most common background is noble

[woven flint]

I just realized my Warlock has plenty of spells he can cast once per day without a spell slot
Darkness, Faerie Fire, Silent Image, Invisibility, and a few Staff of Power spells..
But he has no invocations that give him at will spells 💀

[jade garden]

O well ig im js gonna have to gamble on it then lol 🤞

[rough ocean]

if the DM will use the backgrounds as a strong system for your character's backstory.
You might just be picking the background for basic flavor or just stats. And your character's actual backstory and background will come from their.. well.. actual backstory

[worn lagoon]

it's a little strange having exactly 1 use of a spell i might've used a few times at once as any other caster

[keen kestrel]

You could truly destroy entire encounters just by using hunger of hadar and tricking enemies into walking through it

[worn lagoon]

command: approach on the spike growth+hadar

[wintry spindle]

Well depends on the DM also. I don't allow for example people just write their backstory in a way, that gives them perks

[woven flint]

Well, innate spellcasting having both Shadow and Fey Touched and a Staff of Power, he has plenty of spells, half of which I haven't used but I plan on it 💀

[keen kestrel]

||The house of grief||, I won without doing anything else besides hunger of hadar at the entrance to the big fight

[jade garden]

O

[scenic zinc]

Well yeah - a narrative background doesn't equate to having different mechanics

[worn lagoon]

specifically there it breaks the ais of pretty much everyone and gives them brain damage

[rough ocean]

I would say pick skills which make sense for your character. Would your dude be good with animals and be someone who has trained/learned to tame/manage/handle them? Is there something in their backstory that supports that? If so then animal handling is the right skill to pick. If not - if they dont really have a history with animals - then animal handling would feel extremely wrong for them

[keen kestrel]

It’s because there’s only one way in, and they are obligated to follow you

[jade garden]

Ohhhh

[worn lagoon]

i would allow a free feat at lv1 if it's like, really cool for the character, but if i give that to someone everyone's getting the same

[scenic zinc]

Using '14 command they wouldn't.

[keen kestrel]

To be clear, I do think hunger of hadar is still very strong, but it loses a bit of value if you can’t consistently take advantage of it

[scenic zinc]

'14 command prevents them from hurting themselves

[woven flint]

In one campaign I'm in, Everyone was allowed to Start with a Dragonmark in addition to their other starting feat

My fella has the Mark of Healing 🧐

[worn lagoon]

if you cast it on top of where they already were they just outright don't move

[keen kestrel]

Oh, this was BG3, the ai for some reason made them walk towards you to attack you even if there were obstacles in the way

No command needed tbh

[fiery kayak]

Fighter Battlemaster or Barbarian Battlemaster?

[worn lagoon]

it would be easier to list things that work as the tooltips say than otherwise in that game

[scenic zinc]

BG3 uses a fair amount of homebrew to make dnd work as a videogame.

[keen kestrel]

There’s a barbarian battle master?

[woven flint]

No?

[keen kestrel]

I mean yeah, but it’s still fun

[fiery kayak]

Apparently so.

[woven flint]

Barbarian isn't supposed to have the Battle Master subclass, unless somebody homebrewed it in your game

[scenic zinc]

I agree. But expectations should be tempered when comparing the two. They're different systems.

[fiery kayak]

https://youtu.be/oyC5tWEPA0Q?si=Q9aONnhnFdHFoa-k

This video mentioned Barbarian battle master.

[worn lagoon]

it was really weird trying to grasp eldritch blast being good

[rough ocean]

it really comes down to just asking yourself (or your character) who they are - what they like. What are their quirks, habits, preferences, likes and dislikes. What makes them unique. What formed them, what was it that made them a barbarian for example. Where did he grow up - with whom (or without whom). What was the place like where they grew up? How did that form him? The more you ask about your character, the more **real **he becomes.

Asking and answering stupid things like "What is his favourite food" "What hobbies does he have" "If he could be remembered as a legend, then for what act?" "Does he have kids? Or a sister? Or parents?" etc etc. The more you answer these, the better understanding you will have of actually WHO he is.
Because mainly WHAT is answered on your char sheet. But it has almost no information on WHO

[scenic zinc]

It's like expecting your dm to be matt mercer or brennan lee mulligan

[scenic zinc]

Huh? EB as a warlock is good in both bg3 and dnd

[woven flint]

It was talking about a Multiclass lol

[keen kestrel]

Hunger of hadar fundamentally didn’t change, so I’d still say it’s a very strong spell

[worn lagoon]

it's sort of hailed as the god cantrip here, but it's really not top 5 over there. especially not when ray of frost damage is so easy to quadruple, or shocking grasp/sacred flame/toll the dead/bone chill can turn into AoE's

[wintry spindle]

You don't have to have a big backstory for your PC laid out. Some great players have maybe a page or less of informatio and still have some awesome charachters

[scenic zinc]

HoH is good in bg3 because you can click a button to short rest.

[worn lagoon]

it also causes surprise rounds effortlessly

[woven flint]

I'm gonna be real, that sounds very disingenuous to Hunger Of Hadar as a spell lol

[keen kestrel]

There are plenty of ways to take advantage of eb, especially with the drs effects in bg3

[woven flint]

Hunger Of Hadar is a pretty good spell

[jade garden]

Damn tysm

[keen kestrel]

It’s not broken by any means, but still fairly strong concentration until you get to wall of fire/force

[scenic zinc]

No, I'm moreso talking about how too many real games don't employ the use of short rests.

[worn lagoon]

it can be made to work with them, but its limitations vs those aforemented cantrips for itemization set its ceiling quite a bit lower

[woven flint]

It's also a concentration spell, so you're getting more out of your spellslot than an instantaneous cast

[scenic zinc]

Which makes something like HoH less used in real games.

[keen kestrel]

Jokes on you, my dm lets us short rest often

[worn lagoon]

I wish my dnd groups actually short rested

[woven flint]

2024 rules makes short resting much more encouraged for longer adventuring days

[scenic zinc]

Good for you? I'm talking about what's common. Not about you.

[wintry spindle]

Know the feeling

[keen kestrel]

Dunno, the lightning staff stacking on cantrips along with the robe doubling cha mod on cantrips makes eb egregiously strong in bg3

[shy swan]

Weird question . My post was removed because I mentioned my age (seeking people around my age) is their a way to phrase it that is acceptable? I just want to find a group around the same generation lol

[rough ocean]

My players spent yesterday's 4 hour session in a tavern. And in-game, it was like (at best) 1 hour. So short rests are not only for the DM to "hand out" - but for the players to actually do

[keen kestrel]

It’s just that shadow blade outperformed it by a wide margin all because of one item

[scenic zinc]

All rests are on the PCs to attempt.

[worn lagoon]

it's strong enough but guaranteed crit aoe paralysing shocking grasp destroys that

[woven flint]

Saying something is bad because people don't typically short rest isn't a problem of the thing so much as it's the problem of the people actually playing

[rough ocean]

ooh. Put that on a shirt

[wintry spindle]

How do you hand out a short rest?

[keen kestrel]

It should be more common to have at least 1-2 short rests during the day, seems silly not to have them

[modest sierra]

I'm having an issue with Foundry and googling isn't really helping me. Anyone quite well versed with it?

[worn lagoon]

assuming you didn't already one-shot everything in that circle, they're all now frightened and paralysed

[scenic zinc]

I agree. I tell that to my players often. It's on them to attempt to do so.

[rough ocean]

As a DM? You provide an obviously short-restable situation or location. But other than that, you really dont

[woven flint]

Players should decide when they think it's best to short rest, than the dm should figure wether its safe enough or not or roll dice for possible encounters

[keen kestrel]

I mean, you can count something as simple as slowly walking around the town as a short rest

[woven flint]

It's kinda on players to realize that they're low on something and request a short rest

[keen kestrel]

Or a dinner at the tavern

[scenic zinc]

No, it's in part because of the system itself. Too many classes operate almost entirely on LR resources.

[still plover]

Use a range.

[rough ocean]

yeah, warlocks are neat - but since most groups dont short rest as much as the book imagines they should - warlocks are really hurt by that

[woven flint]

Everybody gets something back on short Rests now in 2024 rules .
Clerics can even give a Short rest on occasion on the go with prayer of healing now!

[scenic zinc]

If a game incentive isn't given, the action often isn't taken.

[wintry spindle]

I think it's important at session 0 to explain how often rests and short rests

[scenic zinc]

Which is why it's a little better now.

But '24 rules still haven't largely been embraced for any number of reasons, including simply not having been around over a decade lol

[rough ocean]

again - it isn't really something a DM can enforce or push on the players. Its for the characters to feel like they should stop and rest.

[umbral girder]

I have players doing tons of short rest during 2014 too.

[rough ocean]

But based on my experience. They really dont...

[woven flint]

I think it's on people not realizing how useful Short Rests are in general.

I mean, hey, you can heal... With HIT DICE! without using.. COSTLY RESOURCES!

[wintry spindle]

I mmean a DM can affect a lot the posibilitees of long and short rests a lot

[rough ocean]

They can "enable" resting. But they can't force them. Not really, not generally

[scenic zinc]

Which is also better in '24 because you get all your hd back on an LR with '24

[worn lagoon]

i like a lot of the sorcerer changes in 24 but otherwise i stick to 14

[rough ocean]

oh really? Thats neat

[woven flint]

I mean, yeah, but healing.. it's still useful even in 2014.

[scenic zinc]

With '14 people would avoid taking a SR because they'd expended all the hd they were willing to utilize

[wintry spindle]

I didn't say force. And again it's about explaining at session 0. Hey this campaign ie drakenheim long rests are limited so it's benefical to also do short rests

[shy swan]

Thank you!

[woven flint]

The whole point of the game is expending resources to get a goal done 😭

[rough ocean]

oh yeah, thats fair

[keen kestrel]

I’m coming round to a lot of the changes honestly, sorcerers and warlocks in particular

[wintry spindle]

But the DMG does explain the game is balanced around an adventuring day. If you just have on encounter then long rest it really breaks the balance at the table

[woven flint]

Time to start putting obligatory dark souls bonfire points for players lmao

[scenic zinc]

Just like how bear totem barbarian too often played due to being ridiculously good compared to other barb subclasses

[rough ocean]

The whole point of the game is to have your players come up with a plan - discuss said plan in extreme detail. Plan out for every possible outcome or change in said plan.

And then next session proceed to completely ignore said plan.

[keen kestrel]

While the smite change hurt, it was kind of necessary (though I’d have done it slightly differently)

[shy swan]

Bold of you to assume theres a plan lol

[woven flint]

"Hey, look! There's a resting point over there!"

"How can you tell?"

"Oh there's like... A sword sticking out of the ground and it seems like a safe point.."

[rough ocean]

Yeah. with most of my groups they don't even have 1 encounter per day. Statistically it seems like most of the groups have about 0.25 encounters per day, or less

[scenic zinc]

I would have made it a reaction casting time with once on your turn not requiring the reaction be expended

[wintry spindle]

And encounters don't have to be just fighting x thing

[scenic zinc]

Bonus action with a prerequisite is weird imo

[keen kestrel]

That would’ve been cool, I think my change would be that it’s just once per turn

That way you can still smite on a reaction attack that’s not on your turn if you wanted

[woven flint]

They could've just made smites in general
Once per turn when you hit..
Like they do for a lot of damage boosting on hit things 😭

[wintry spindle]

can you though in 2024 now smite on a reaction since it takes a bonus action?

[keen kestrel]

Not at all

[scenic zinc]

No

[jade garden]

Gng sry for asking so many questions but wud u recommend for a barbarian that I have a plus five for strength and a plus 1 for constitution or a plus three for strength and constitution

[scenic zinc]

What level?

[keen kestrel]

It’s kind of infuriating that rogues can sneak attack on reactions, but paladins can’t smite

[umbral girder]

Divine smite’s power has shifted a little while raising up the rest of the smites overall.

[woven flint]

+3 for both.

[rough ocean]

I'd go with strength - as a barb, you will be raging, and therefore taking half damage from most attacks. But getting a +5 is a very high level situation

[umbral girder]

On one hand Paladins can smite way more often now and with less concentration in 2024

[woven flint]

Barbarians need good constitution to do their whole.. stand there and take hits thing

[keen kestrel]

My thing is, I’d be ok with divine smite being once per turn, and all the cool smites just adding to the effect with a bonus action or something

[jade garden]

I haven’t started the game bc I’m making the character

[scenic zinc]

Eh. Not really. Take avg on level up, get tough feat, rage

[rough ocean]

You'll most likely be starting at lvl 1 or 3, I would assume. And +5 then is unattainable

[keen kestrel]

But the AC

[woven flint]

It's still good to have good constitution on a Barbarian for AC as well. I don't get the point you're arguing lol

[rough ocean]

At best you'll have one stat at +3

[scenic zinc]

AC is silly to worry about

[jade garden]

Basically the situation is that there’s a plus two for strength bc I’m a dragon born, do I put the sixteen in strength or in constitution making it even

[naive cedar]

constitution is a good idea for every class tbh

[umbral girder]

Yeah boosting Con for AC, Hp, and Con saves (the most common save in the game) is good for Barbarians

[naive cedar]

probably the most important ability overall\

[scenic zinc]

That'd be dex.

[naive cedar]

ehhhh

[scenic zinc]

It's the most used stat for saves

[naive cedar]

dex is second imo. being able to take hits is important

[rough ocean]

Con is a good second stat to keep high. But I would honestly keep my main stat higher than the second. But thats just my approach

[woven flint]

Dexterity is one of the most important followed by Constitution and Wisdom

[naive cedar]

wisdom is def third

[woven flint]

Wisdom saves scary!!!

[jade garden]

Alr thx everyone

[scenic zinc]

Taking hits is not really a thing to worry yourself with in my opinion

[woven flint]

I like..
Seriously never Dump wisdom lmao

[naive cedar]

imo its constitution > dexterity > wisdom

[scenic zinc]

Constitution is for pc's that like to pretend they're not glass cannons

[woven flint]

For Barbarians worry about
Strength, Constitution and THEN Dexterity

[rough ocean]

Aye

[scenic zinc]

When, in fact, they all are.

[naive cedar]

but regardless your "main" stat should be the highest one

[jade garden]

WAIT it acc wud be a plus 4 not five idk if that changes anything

[woven flint]

Ifn ya ask me, a +3 or 4 in a stat is usually enough..
Unless it's your main attacking stat

[rough ocean]

+4 stat bonus comes when your stat itself is 18, which you can't achieve at lvv 1

(unless I am missing something)

[woven flint]

Also true ^

[jade garden]

Wait what

[scenic zinc]

Roll for stats, roll 3 6's

[umbral girder]

With 2014 Custom lineage you can

[dusk hatch]

I GOT A 17!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[woven flint]

Epic

[rough ocean]

17 is doable, sure

[jade garden]

Wait so Dragonborn’s have plus 2 strength and I rolled a sixteen so if I put that into strength wud that not work out

[rough ocean]

well rolling stats is a whole different ordeal, which is very much based on RNG

[scenic zinc]

18 is also entirely possible. So is a 20, in the case of rolling (by then adding the asi)

[dusk hatch]

I could have did 18 but one of 16's would be 15 so I didnt choose it
I literally played my first session today and rolled for it today too

[fiery kayak]

Stat roll is unfortunate

You should have some say in how you arrange your stats. I personally like stat buy but array is cool too

[woven flint]

Me when I gamble in the game about gambling

[rough ocean]

Well, unless your DM is okay with rolling stats - then you should either stick with standard array or point buy, with which I think your max stat can be 15. And then you can add your +2 from the species

[scenic zinc]

i don't remember them saying they were using standard array or point buy

[fiery kayak]

You should be able to roll six values and then assign them how you please.

[naive cedar]

i go with stat buy tbh. i want some degree of control in how i can make my characeters

[keen kestrel]

Me when I roll up with my divination wizard with the lucky feat and the boon of fortunes favor

[jade garden]

O crap

[dusk hatch]

we have a god in our party who rolled 16,15,13,13,13, and 16

[woven flint]

That's how it usually works unless you've got a cruel or an old school dm lmao

[jade garden]

Damn but stat rolling is so much fun

It’s basically gambling

[naive cedar]

my dad is an old school dm and thats what he did lol

[rough ocean]

Also - if your party does rolled stats, then you will most likely be rolling them together. So nobody just rolls them at home a thousand times until they get the perfect stats and just shows up with a maxed out character at session 1

[keen kestrel]

I will never stat roll again, unless it’s for a one shot and we just goof around

[woven flint]

You know what?
I'm gonna roll up a character right now
Species, Stats, Class and Background

[dusk hatch]

it wouldnt be fun to have 8 str as a fighter

[scenic zinc]

I was allowed to do a chaos gremlin roll for stats.

6 d20's.

[rough ocean]

Exactly

[dusk hatch]

LMAO

[keen kestrel]

My first stat roll set was a legit nightmare

[naive cedar]

yeah exactly. you shouldnt be railroaded into picking a class based on what you roll

[jade garden]

O crap

[stuck shuttle]

Fighters are excellent at range too

[woven flint]

I typically roll good on stats because the dice fear me 🧐

[worn lagoon]

generally i establish some sort of rule about a minimum and a maximum amount. if you roll terribly, get a reroll.

[dusk hatch]

I mean usually you choose everything and put ur stats according to that

[scenic zinc]

It worked out pretty well honestly, despite ending up with two 8s

[worn lagoon]

but honestly i am not that fond of point buy anymore because too often pcs just become 15/15/15/8/8/8

[rough basalt]

I usually roll average cause if I did my usual of choosing to roll good I'd be too powerful

[dusk hatch]

Would it be better to give them +1 on everything maybe?

[rough ocean]

you only get to roll your stats once - and whatever you get - you get. And that can create a very imbalanced situation. Where, for example. The wizard is the best at stealthing and picking locks. And the rogue (who rolled poorly) is gonna be useless at the thing they were supposed to be an expert at

[worn lagoon]

or slight variations on it, like 16/16/14/8/10/10

[keen kestrel]

I’d say it’s much better now that all the feats in 2024 are half feats

[naive cedar]

well yeah thats the non-rolling for stats version which i prefer

[dusk hatch]

our rogue has +7 atm AT LEVEL 1

[woven flint]

That's not how stats work lol

[keen kestrel]

But I’d much rather have stats that actually work rather than rolling

[dusk hatch]

Skill

[rough ocean]

cheats