dnd-discussion

[small heath]

points a sword in their face
You will worship!!!!!!

[buoyant oar]

If Gale Dekarios wasn't such an idiot maybe he would have not gotten a bomb in his chest /s

[cerulean monolith]

Mystra is certainly better than Shar

[naive cedar]

Why didnt Gale just not open the book? Is he stupid?

[woven flint]

Quick, Remind me, who is the Elvish Deity Lolth hates the mist again? 🤔
Was it her former husband?

[cerulean monolith]

Also, side note, my phone keeps autocorrecting Chauntea to chai tea

[buoyant oar]

Gale is pretty stupid.

[cerulean monolith]

Ellistraee?

[naive cedar]

I love him but honestly? He is

[woven flint]

I've decided on my Drow Warlocks Patron 😎

[naive cedar]

Oh yeah ellistraee is great jokes aside

[buoyant oar]

You have a goddess, who in a previous incarnation had to sacrifice herself against a wizard gone mad. This is probably one of the more traumatic experiences of that goddesses existence.

Probably don't want anything to do with that ever.

Here comes your new protege and he is obsessed with trying to prove his worth to you by bringing up the most damaging and traumatic experience of your past.

#KarsusWasBetter

[naive cedar]

To be fair, Mystra really shouldn’t be getting that cozy with her “proteges” to begin with

[keen kestrel]

All her aspects are wonderful too, like genuinely kind

[exotic sinew]

So i have been told that The Wild Beyond the Witchlight doesn’t have combat is this true and if so what like class “fits” that campaign

[buoyant oar]

Gods do not exist on the same moral code as mortals.

[cerulean monolith]

Not to mention that the Netherese Orb probably is the thing they could come closest to actually killing Mystra… again

[keen kestrel]

It focuses a little more on trying to stop things from happening, so classes that are very social can be helpful

[naive cedar]

I’m aware but it doesn’t change the fact that the entire situation shouldn’t have happened

[woven flint]

Isn't Ellistrae so kind that she constantly must be reminded not to meddle in everyone's affairs even if they're in pain?

[buoyant oar]

Tbh. If I was mystra. I wouldn't have given him a second chance. I would have just disintegrated him at sight

[keen kestrel]

archfey warlock could certainly be a fun one for beyond the witchlight

[exotic sinew]

So charisma based classes?

[buoyant oar]

Gale played a stupid game and got a stupid prize.

[cerulean monolith]

The thing is, it doesn’t seem like she has power over the orb. She had no choice but to keep him alive unless she wanted to deal with the consequences

[crimson gulch]

depends on what ending you get, there are some good prizes

[keen kestrel]

You don't have to play cha characters to avoid combat, I'd just say don't play heavy combat classes like fighter or you might get a little bored

tbh, any of the feywild based subclasses could be fun flavorfully, things like ancients paladin, fey wanderer ranger, archfey warlock are all solid and fun ways to play it

[naive cedar]

IMO Ao needs to tell Mystra to stop having relationships with her proteges

[buoyant oar]

Yeah part of that is the fact that the gods have been barred from being too interfering. Post Second Sundering. Part of that is the Karsite Weave is literally a cancer to her.

[cerulean monolith]

In his specific ambitious endings, there’s no way he keeps his prize for long

[buoyant oar]

Mystra will stop when everyone else stops.

[exotic sinew]

Alright I was planning on asking my dm if I could play a Harengon cause I am obsessed with rabbits. So was looking at maybe fey wander ranger, pact of the fey warlock or a wild magic sorcerer

[buoyant oar]

The Bhaalspawn didn't come from nowhere.

[naive cedar]

Well the “good” ending is him ||giving the crown back and reconciling with her||

[keen kestrel]

I'd say fey wanderer ranger could work super well, since it would make sense that you had gained some form of magic while living in the feywild

[naive cedar]

Yeah but bhaal is like. Evil

[woven flint]

Could also flavor Wild Magic Sorcerer as Fey Magic 👀

[buoyant oar]

Selûne's children don't come from nowhere

[naive cedar]

I’ll give you that one

[woven flint]

Evil people can have children, you know that, right?

[exotic sinew]

Well that’s why I added I was thinking wild magic like cause I was born in the feywild I have like an unpredictable magic kinda.

[keen kestrel]

I've always thought of wild magic sorcerer as being a descendant of fey magic honestly

[buoyant oar]

Many of the gods of Faerûn fraternize With mortals. In fact, in the Realms, that's how the aasimar first came to be.

[naive cedar]

I guess Ao should tell all of them to stop then

[woven flint]

Agree

[exotic sinew]

I obviously have to ask my dm if I am even allowed to play a harengon in the first place

[keen kestrel]

the only reason I didn't really suggest it is it might cause plans to go awry if you accidentally bomb the group you're trying to convince to be good

[woven flint]

Ao doesn't really seem to care that much as long as they're doing their jobs tbh

[buoyant oar]

He does not care. The one is more concerned with the balance of the world than anything else. It is not his job to manage the day-to-day activities of the gods as long as they are sticking to their portfolios. He has nothing to worry about.

[cerulean monolith]

Well, Bhaal isn’t having children directly anymore

[keen kestrel]

should be totally fine, in fact they're fey themselves, so it'd make even more sense that you're trying to fix an issue within the fey wild

[exotic sinew]

2024 doesn’t have “fireball yourself” on the wild magic surge table

[woven flint]

Haha!
Because he's DEAD!
what a bum

[cerulean monolith]

Well, not that

[keen kestrel]

oh does it not? I haven't looked at it

[buoyant oar]

Grand papy Bhaal

[cerulean monolith]

Bhaal can’t sire any children after BG2. All the Bhaalspawn after that game, as far as we know, are descendants of other Bhaalspawn

[cerulean monolith]

You can choose where to put the Fireball now

[naive cedar]

I mean regardless of whether or not “they all do it”, Mystra’s relationships with her chosen are still a bad idea shrug. Anyways this is getting off topic

[buoyant oar]

Also Mystra . It should be noted. She's not a good aligned goddess

[exotic sinew]

Nah I can’t send a photo but there is less stuff but nothing on there that really impacts your teammates in a negative way

[keen kestrel]

eh, it's still not my favorite sorcerer, I'd rate it around the same as spellfire

like they seem cool, but either for mechanics or lore I just don't enjoy them nearly as much as some other ones

[woven flint]

Wild Magic sorcerer is incredibly strong tbh

[fringe birch]

stranger things

[exotic sinew]

I am leaning more towards fey wanderer ranger or pact of fey warlock cause they are more directly “fey” related

[keen kestrel]

oh yeah, I just meant that I don't enjoy playing them as much. They're still a lot stronger especially if you don't have many negative effects

[buoyant oar]

I personally like that Faerûn is a world where people aren't good. People in power do nefarious things. Makes the setting more alive, more realistic and more apt to adventuring.

[naive cedar]

I think ||dark urge specifically is born directly from Bhaal’s blood. so technically not with anyone else||

[keen kestrel]

for archfey warlock, you could've signed a deal with one of the fey trying to broker peace, or maybe as a ranger you encountered a surge of fey magic from one of the members of the council and now you're trying to stop their plans

[naive cedar]

Yeah I do agree with this. Mystra being messed up makes her a more interesting character (and gods in most mythologies do even worse things tbh)

[buoyant oar]

And the current version of her is by far the most tame version. You want to get real messed up. Read up about how her daughters were conceived.

[naive cedar]

Oh I’m well aware

Current mystra is actually pretty reasonable

[exotic sinew]

Interesting I will talk to my dm to see what fits 😁😁

[buoyant oar]

Midnight is Mystra on some gummies.

[empty thicket]

im talking right now with a friend and i need some lil help to understand something
Wizard
Bladesinger can be countered in what ways?

Like, unless idk, the Dm pull out an "there is spores in the area that make your throat get bad and you cant sing now", denying the whole subclass to one specific character if not the whole class.
How could one do it?

[humble cairn]

Why would one want to deny someone the use of their subclass?

[empty thicket]

Like, going point to point its like
All ranges of attack (melee and range)
Highest AC possible without need of any external armor//item
Can use absorb elements, other spells that make it get even more defenses
Get an ever harder time breaking concentration

Like, being a dm and having to balance against that must be a hassle

[empty thicket]

because i feel its like, too much.
Its the whole menu in one bag

[humble cairn]

They're really not that bad, honestly. Try targeting them with Str or con saves or something.

Just taking away their subclass is a feelsbad way to do it, I recommend against it.

[empty thicket]

but that is the thing, STR save of what? a rock falling over his head?
most con saves can be countered by stuff like counterspell
Poisons cant be applied because the high AC
And for doing that i would need to target it like 4 attacks for one to land

[humble cairn]

Also, if you have more than two combats per adventuring day, they run out of Bladesong.

[humble cairn]

White Dragon breath is a con save, Grapple is a Str or Dex save, Sure, let them Counterspell and run them out of spell slots.

[humble cairn]

Poison gas effects probably don't need to contend with AC.

Bladesingers are not invincible.

[empty thicket]

Then make it force the bladesongs?
and again, im just talking about 1 that would force me to make more rounds just to burn out his resources.
While idk if the rest of the team can even handle it

And all that, without needing extra stuff from outside except some lil components that you can get in a component pouch

Like, it feel such mixmaxing thing...

[humble cairn]

Let them shine in combat, don't try and make it harder just to try and "beat" them, you're supposed to be making them look good. But then run more combats than that. Once they run out of Bladesongs, the other partymates can shine. Maybe run a combat that looks like it's going to be hard so they use their Bladesong, but then it turns out to be very easy, bait out the use of bladesong. Then don't let them Long Rest.

[woven flint]

Bladesinger is, comparatively, one of the weaker wizard subclasses. Imo

[empty thicket]

doing numbers and seeing features dont seems like it

[humble cairn]

Play longer adventuring days.

And again, you're not trying to "beat" them. You trying to make them look good and cool.

[woven flint]

All the other subclasses improve upon a concept that's already there, magic.
Bladesinger just gives martial capabilities, not bashing Bladesinger, I love it, I'm playing one, but being a Frontline wizard is INCREDIBLY difficult.
Because the base class doesn't support that.

[empty thicket]

True, but if im not trying actively in some way to beat them, what is the danger?

[woven flint]

Your goal as a dm isn't to beat your players.

[humble cairn]

No, you don't understand. You are still trying to challenge them, but the goal isn't to beat them, the goal is to make them look cool while overcoming those challenges.

[oak grotto]

How to counter anything... 10 ancient red dragons.

[humble cairn]

And the bladesinger can't be everywhere in every combat, so there are definitely ways to challenge the whole party.

[empty thicket]

Okey, but the challenge have to reach such levels that feel bad for me...might be me and overhyping the numbers of it.
But its too much ngl at some points.

[oak grotto]

But yeah, a DM isn't meant to beat the player. In fact I actually have more fun when my character works well with what they have despite not being good at X or Y.

[woven flint]

"How to counter this player" isn't a healthy mindset to have as a dm.

[humble cairn]

Think creatively, don't put one monster to fight the whole party in a plain, featureless, room. Put two strong monsters backed up with different kinds of minions in different places, use terrain, obstacles, have other goals besides just making all the monsters lose their HP, put a ritual in the middle between the monsters that needs to be interacted with in some way in some time limit, etc.

[empty thicket]

True, but one player is a powerhouse that can overcome over others, taking the spotlight more times even if i am trying to dont.
Yes, its one players of 3,4 or 5, still a big % of the whole thing

[humble cairn]

The person playign Bladesinger wants to look cool casting spells and swinging swords, LET THEM.

[oak grotto]

Not necessarily. Sometimes a character might be a bit too powerful and is breezing through everything or maybe you want an enemy that is meant to give a specific character a harder time for story reasons.

[humble cairn]

And find ways that the rest of the party can also look cool.

[woven flint]

My Bladesinger Wizard has 30 intelligence and can get up to 30 AC with the right set up, but that AC number doesn't protect him from saves, he almost died I one of the last encounters I've played him, or moreso, he wa bloodied most of the combat lol

[undone rain]

Wow im 1 session in and ive already become an oathbreaker. Yay?

[woven flint]

It's still not a healthy mindset wether you can "justify" it or not lol

D&D is a cooperative game, talk to your players instead of trying to make things miserable for them.

[humble cairn]

As a DM you kinda don't want the PC to die. You want them to fear dying, but you also want them to fear losing in other ways. Just having them die because you wanted to beat them is really boring and frustrating. Get out of the mindset of trying to beat them, get into the mindset of giving them the opportunity to overcome appropriate challenges.

[empty thicket]

so the way to put a challenge to it is, bait and burn his resources. Damn....

[oak grotto]

I didn't really say that you should "beat" your players. I actually said the opposite, remember?

[humble cairn]

Yes, and that goes for the whole party.

[woven flint]

As with every character regardless of class.. except rogues

[humble cairn]

Rogues still have their HP resource.

[empty thicket]

So the way to counter it is literally the universal way to counter every class.

[woven flint]

Of course, but they don't have other resources.

[woven flint]

Again, don't think of it as "countering"

[humble cairn]

Again .. you're not trying to "counter" them.

[woven flint]

If you're playing the game right, the characters are using resources and having a challenging time.

[humble cairn]

You want them to be able to use the abilities they chose when making a character because that's why they're even playing to begin with.

Give them opportunities to use those. Give them more opportunities than they can possibly take, which will make them rely on their teammates.

[empty thicket]

And there is the problem, how i put a "danger" to them?
Put saves of con//dext//widsom//str
Those saves cant be from spells because i would need to do 2 spells for the factor of counterspell
I didnt even added the possibility of him using BLINK and making things x10 harder

[woven flint]

Also, Random tangent

Calm Emotions doesn't stop barbarian rage!
Stop trying to do this people!!! AAARRRRGHHH

[empty thicket]

Cant be from some attacks because it would need to pierce an AC that it would have it high

[humble cairn]

You're focusing too hard on this one character. Just make sure to throw a ton of challenges to the whole party, the resources will get used up.

[small heath]

my DM literally told me, when I asked him how he sets up bosses and encounters, "I just do what I think makes sense and is fair. But the moment you guys start to actually optimize your characters I'm lwk pulling the gloves off."

[humble cairn]

Allow them to be the shining hero for two combats in the day, it's okay.

Then throw 6-8 combats at them. Or rather 6-8 encounters of maybe different sorts, but that will still require resources.

[small heath]

What about Sleep?

[woven flint]

Sleep would incapacitate them, so yes

[humble cairn]

But it could make them non-hostile.

[small heath]

What if I have the barbarian charmed before he enters rage?

[woven flint]

Yeah, but people shouldn't think calm emotions ends a rage

[empty thicket]

That is the problem, one character doing what a whole party would
Tanking like a paladin with high AC
Doing all ranges of damages like fighter//ranger//sorc
Spells in general.
Can hold concentration a lot better than any other class making them able to use it oftenly without problem. CANT break their concentration easily forcing me to multi attack them

[woven flint]

Then don't target ONE person?

[humble cairn]

Is this something you've run in to? Like in an actual session?

[woven flint]

Target their teammates so they have to expend resources to protect them?

[empty thicket]

Yes, is one player i shouldn't focus on 100% on him but if i let him loose he could just do whatever he want

[humble cairn]

Let him! Let him! You want players to feel like they can do whatever they want.

[empty thicket]

its a dilemma i am facing from the past week, its awful

[oak grotto]

Did this player optimize?

[knotty pasture]

You could just focus fire on this PC during encounters if you want to shut them down

[empty thicket]

But the idea is they dont. They need a team, the idea is that a character must have flaws
And im saying only one, if the rest of the team dont mixmax like that character then what i do with them feeling like back?

[humble cairn]

Did the player enjoy being the big dang hero of the fight? That's a good thing. Let this happen! Do listen to the rest of the party, though, keep an ear out for if they feel like they were sidelined. But if they don't, it's not a problem.

[woven flint]

Not a good way to approach the situation.

Targeting a specific player isn't how you should go about things.

[knotty pasture]

It does make sense though, as the enemy during the encounter you should focus on the biggest threat

[oak grotto]

Sounds like you've allowed someone to optimize when you didn't want them to optimize.

[empty thicket]

nope, but is something i was have to face in a theory, if there was a max mixmaxing possible, how would be?

[small heath]

I honestly don't think a DM should punish for optimizing a character (hell, I'm literally doing that with my sorcerer right now and the DM is fully aware of it, so we will have to see how the next few encounters are like)

[oak grotto]

Idk, I don't minmax.

[small heath]

But instead make it more engaging in some way that's fair

[woven flint]

Alright, when a dm constantly targets you and only you eveytime in a campaign, let me know how it feels >->

[humble cairn]

Having the character being shining and awesome at least once is a good thing. The problem only arises if the rest of the party feels sidelined. But the solution isn't to come down hard on that one character and take away their abilities. The solution is to give the whole party more things to do, again the bladesinger can't be everywhere at once. Let them be a big shining hero over in one corner while more fights and puzzles are happening in multiple other corners of the encounter.

[knotty pasture]

That I'm being respected as a threat, yes

[woven flint]

Mkay

[humble cairn]

Throw more challenges! Throw encounters that have three or four objectives all at once.

[knotty pasture]

I don't need dnd to tell me that tbf, video games would optimally take down the biggest threat in the team first before focusing on the rest

[woven flint]

D&D isn't a video game

[hidden spindle]

Always take out the healer

[small heath]

Well the enemies would first have to actually recognize the threat if they never encounters the party

[hidden spindle]

Need more enemies that heal

[knotty pasture]

And sure dnd enemies don't have our intelligence to make any complicated plays but "target biggest threat" isn't rocket science

[woven flint]

A real enemy would recognize an ENTIRE party is a threat to them.

[oak grotto]

Personally I hate minmaxxing. I just wanna work as a team with my party and be good at what I'm good at.

[keen kestrel]

Good thing the healer is the cleric in heavy armor sitting up front and running in with spirit guardians up

[empty thicket]

Then im throwing more challenges for only 1.
Like, if someday i had to face such player i will ask him nicely to just give the spotlight to others players in some moments.

[woven flint]

Do you know how much a singular bard could be a threat to an enemy?
Now Add a Cleric, Fighter and Rogue

[oak grotto]

I actually hate that. Imagine just wanting to heal and getting obliterated in every single fight.

[small heath]

What my DM did in our last boss fight was smart, by introducing the big bad multiple times throughout our quest we're on currently, so he would recognize some of the strengths and weaknesses our party would have. So by the time we actually did the fight, he had a general idea of who does what well.

[woven flint]

That's a pretty menacing team!

[humble cairn]

No you're not, you're throwing challenges that one person cannot face all at once because they literally cannot be in two places at once and requires teamwork.

[hidden spindle]

That's where you Grapple'm and drag them into the center of enemy territory.

[humble cairn]

And asking nicely to share spotlight is also perfectly fine, but don't create problems where there are none.

[keen kestrel]

If you’re a life cleric, I can assure you nothing is going to stop you

[empty thicket]

kinda like my team, 2 fighters, bard, artificer and paladin.

[small heath]

That's a nice set

[keen kestrel]

I’ll refer to the spirit guardians, which the enemy is now willingly dragging into their allies

[hidden spindle]

Action economy will take care of the rest

[keen kestrel]

Yes, all the dead enemies would agree with you

[empty thicket]

Still, feel like the most dangerous mixmaxing possible.
Its just too much in raw numbers, might be different in practice

[keen kestrel]

So now that you’ve dragged a light cleric into the direct middle of your horde while he has his channel divinity, it’s gonna be a great time

[small heath]

Like are you going to punish someone who actually studied to get their character optimizied and good? Spending hours of research and adjustments to get something they are satisfied with?

[woven flint]

In numbers and in practice are two incredibly different scenarios in D&D, "potentially" doesn't mean "Always"

[humble cairn]

I still say let them dominate a fight, just put another fight somewhere else and a mid combat puzzle in a third place. Let them be cool and dominate their corner of the fight.

[keen kestrel]

Action economy is certainly good when one action can do hundreds of points of damage I suppose

[candid wedge]

Yo

[humble cairn]

You might also be surprised when a lucky crit makes the Bladesinger feel threatened.

[empty thicket]

yep, that is what im scared of mostly

[keen kestrel]

Yo

[humble cairn]

I feel like you're overthinking, just broaden out the scope of an encounter so one person literally cannot do everything.

[woven flint]

Ophidimancer has given you plenty good advice, friend

[small heath]

I think an underlining issue is that you're concerned that things aren't as ordered and going to plan as a DM. With a game with dice and a lot of abilities and a good portion of RNG involved, I am starting to learn (as a player) to be open to RNG and luck, evne if it's "calculated predictions" through the optimizing of a character.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong on this.

[empty thicket]

Yep, im kinda doing but my overthinking isnt that wrong lets be honest. They CAN do that. Isnt something denied by no one.

[empty thicket]

Yeah but you know what im seeing, not the chance numbers, the static numbers

[humble cairn]

Honestly, in my experience Bladesingers are glass cannons. they burn bright and fast and go down shockingly quickly.

[small heath]

What is the average level in the campaign you're in?

[meager fractal]

Is oath of noble genies paladin any good? I saw someone rage out on reddit about it but never checked it out. What do people think about it?

[humble cairn]

Sorry @woven flint, I'm referencing your Bladesinger.

[glossy otter]

weirdly enough 3-7 is the current level average of my groups

[woven flint]

Lmaoo, its okay

[small heath]

My current group I primarily play in, we're all lvl 8s, but one is a lvl 9 because of a quest line bonus they manage to complete (we do milestones)

[empty thicket]

right now im in 2 that we are lvl 6 and another htat we are lvl 4.

But my point is, going to the Stone numbers and other many things, Yes is overthinking.
But they Can do that isnt it?

[woven flint]

I'm aware of Malakeths weaknesses

[small heath]

"but they can do that isn't it"

Im sorry but this makes no sense in my brain. I think it's the wording.

[keen kestrel]

It's fairly good, not the very best but certainly strong enough

[woven flint]

His incredibly strong, but incredibly flimsy even with the possibility of 30 ac

[keen kestrel]

and it introduces mechanics to make dexadins work a little better

[woven flint]

Ac isn't everything

[humble cairn]

AC is great, but it doesn't mean you're invincible.

[woven flint]

At higher levels, your AC will almost never matter

[humble cairn]

Just one lucky crit and the Bladesinger goes from full HP to almost dead.

[keen kestrel]

great saving throws, AC, and resistance to damage are all good in tandem, but singularly they don't do much

[humble cairn]

And Bladesingers will generally have great Dex and Int saves .. but there are the other four.

Cold and poison often target Con saves. Grapples and restraints target Str.

[empty thicket]

okey, let me reword it in another way
The wizard bladesinger can:
Use mage armor to get extra AC + Ac by Blade.s
His melee attacks get extra damage while Blade.S
Maintain a lot better concentration spells
In defense they can have access to a lot of stuff

But there what my friend that is more nerd wrote that made me think
"More or less, let’s say by level 5 okay?
So a fighter has right around.. 18 AC since they’re using a shield in this hypothetical
A wizard can take the shield spell for a static +5, they can use Mage Armor for +3 at base; and with a positive or high dexterity, they have around 20. They can cast spells like Absorb Elements & blink at this level too, as well as spells which boost movement. Already at this level, the wizard is less likely to be hit by the same attack, which around that level is a +5-+6~ for common enemies"

[humble cairn]

Yeah, until they run out of resources.

[hidden spindle]

Grapple the Wizard. Take'm away

[woven flint]

You are aware Shield only lasts a round too, right?

[empty thicket]

Blink

[empty thicket]

1 round, yes and is reaction lvl 1 spell

[small heath]

Do wizards have an option that allow them to reset or open up spell slots?

[humble cairn]

What does that even mean?

[woven flint]

Wait unti they blink out and put them in a situation they'd rather not be in before they blink in

[small heath]

Like how Sorcerers have Font of Magic

[humble cairn]

On a Short Rest Wizards can regain spell slots.

[empty thicket]

they have something called "Arcane recovery" that left them recover some spellslots

[humble cairn]

Once per Long Rest

[small heath]

Gotcha

[woven flint]

The biggest flaw of blink is that you can't effect the field when you're blinked out.
That means, as a wizard, your party Is more vulnerable because your precious reactions aren't there.

[small heath]

But what Ophidimancer and Tokii mentions, yes this can happen but you're basically burning so many resources in the first few rounds that it won't hold for a longer fight or encounters.

[humble cairn]

IF they prepared that spell that day and IF they choose to use it and IF they have spell slots left. Look, you're thinking of the best case scenario for the Wizard. And if it's the best case scenario for them ... LET THEM WIN. Then just throw more encounters at them before the recover those resources.

[vast pelican]

That's the opportunity cost to being totally immune to all enemy resources through the rest of the round.

[woven flint]

Instead of focusing the Bladesinger, use their playing style somewhat against them?
They blink out? Hey, th wizard ain't here, let's fireball his lads!

[empty thicket]

yeah, that might be the way.
Have a bladesinger and pray the rest of the party get characters that recover well in SR

[humble cairn]

As a DM you should be happy when the PCs win, then plan ways to make them work even harder for the next win.

[woven flint]

I can absolutely tell you now, whike my Bladesinger In the group I'm in is incredibly strong, there's absolutely no way he could even think of carrying an entire encounter all by himself lmao

[empty thicket]

Yes, i will be happy when they win, but isnt more fun when they are in a challenge? when they have to Effort for that win?
Like you said, i have to put a "danger", its what im trying to see and the danger is when they ran out of resources.

or punish the other players so i force the bladesinger to act more careless

[vast pelican]

The ability to both be totally untargetable by all attacks and effects for a whole minute AND to keep your concentration would easily be a 9th level spell, and a rather powerful one at that.

[humble cairn]

You're focusing too much on the Bladesinger, make varied encounters and it will not be as much of a problem as you're thinking.

[empty thicket]

Yeah, blink is broken too, i expected it to be concentration and isnt. That same friend told me that he will maybe throw a dragon using blink against a party.

[empty thicket]

lets hope when i start like a DM i dont get some of that or not at first

[umbral girder]

It’s RNG at working and there are monsters who hard counter Blink

[woven flint]

Again, Blink almost entirely removes you from an encounter until your turn, meaning you can't do anything to affect enemies or help anyone

[umbral girder]

Like Nightmares and Night Hags as Key examples

[empty thicket]

in any way, thanks for helping to see a way to... "work on it", still sound too complicated and i dont like such... "troublesome" stuff

[small heath]

In my opinion, I would argue that them doing their research on the class and set up is the effort to win. Well at least a good part of it. The other part of the battle is allowing the encounters to allow such prep to work, while also making it a game of strategy of when to use what resource, instead of blowing it all in the beginning.

[empty thicket]

Now next topic,
what weapons//gun you all see that a cleric can use in a western settling?

[humble cairn]

If you ask Urizt, who is a professional DM and runs many many games, everyone should be running more encounters per day than they are. It's a resources game, just throw more encounters at the party before allowing a Rest.

[small heath]

We're here to help everyone ❤️

[vast pelican]

Anyway, there's little reason to totally regear your encounters as to negate the wizard's investment in their AC. Bladesinger is, frankly, one of the least optimal subclasses the wizard has.

[woven flint]

Exactly!

[vast pelican]

The wizard will get in plenty of trouble even with their fancy footwork.

[empty thicket]

If im running a first time session and one of the players do me such thing making it harder to me, im literally powerwording him at upcast lvl 20.
Im deleting it from existence.

[umbral girder]

Yeah Bladesinger is mid at best

[empty thicket]

get advantage in acrobatics too.
"You have advantage on Dexterity (Acrobatics) checks."

[small heath]

This conversation actually helped me realize something that my DM does which I never thought of before: out of the 7 or so sessions that we've done so far, we only had a total of 3 long rests. I think he does this intentionally to have us strategize resource usage.

[vast pelican]

Not bad, sounds like they're running a pretty balanced adventuring day.

[woven flint]

The whole point typically of Wizard subclasses is to buff certain aspects of their casting or other things that help them cast better.

Bladesinger doesn't do any of that, but it's still good because you're still a wizard

[empty thicket]

i feel its like the other side of the coin of going a bit of everything
There is Eldritch knight and Bladesinger

[vast pelican]

A wizard could have no subclass whatsoever and it would still be able to carry its weight.

[empty thicket]

The martial class get spells

The caster class get martial capacities

[small heath]

We literally solved a puzzle, ventured to a flying city to gather information, discovered a secret issue that is the underlining cause of the the main problem in this quest, & faced our boss fight all in 3 sessions with no long rests inbetween. So yeah... quite an adventuring day.

[vast pelican]

Sounds fun

What's the party makeup?

[woven flint]

Yup and even Eldritch Knight is only good because it's still a fighter, not necessarily because it gives you Spellcasting

[hidden spindle]

Do both and you can cast two Cantrips in a single Attack Action

[small heath]

It is. Albeit our Barbarian Orc got kidnapped because he was being influenced by the big bad for multiple sessions prior to me joining, and is going to end up being a future boss fight (probably tomorrow or next week).

[woven flint]

Class features don't stack

[empty thicket]

Lets be honest, it give you x10 times more defenses against casters

[woven flint]

Replacing an Attack with a Cantrip for both wouldn't stack just as extra Attack doesn't stack

[hidden spindle]

Which ones?

[small heath]

Draconic sorcerer (me), a paladin, an artificer, a wizard, a bloodhunter, and now a monk (the barbarian player wanted a new class to play as, so the kidnapping plot occurred)

[empty thicket]

And giving a fighter that when its like his weakness

[hidden spindle]

You mean Extra Attack & War Magic?

[woven flint]

Yeah, sure, but the Spellcasting for Eldritch Knight isn't typically great unless you're using it defensively

[empty thicket]

that....that is what i said...

[small heath]

Although funnily enough because our DM is using a previous PC in our campaign as a future boss fight, he actually allowed us to see the changes he made to the character's stat sheet inbetween sessions. Which I don't know if that's a common practice.

[vast pelican]

Sweet

[woven flint]

I understand :p

Bladesinger is frankly, a little worse if they only focus on defense

[empty thicket]

Anyway,
A cleric should get a revolver or what other weapon? or dont get a weapon and just use spells

[woven flint]

Thats the huge difference between the subclasses, eh?

[small heath]

I joined mid quest because they had someone leave due to personal problems with the party, and I had to fill in the "gap" left behind. So me, as someone who never played D&D or watched any D&D content before, was asked to make a lvl 7 draconic kobold sorcerer xD

It's certainly been an experience as a new player with 0 prior knowledge learning how to actually use a sorcerer 😂

[woven flint]

Just use spells, typically tbh

[hidden spindle]

They stack because they're not the same name

[empty thicket]

for me its the capacity of being able to get that much stuff, yes, its in some sort of "rage" level now that i see it closely.
But at least in rage you get other limitations

[vast pelican]

Oh wow, that is a pretty tough class to learn the game on

But it sounds like you're doing well

[small heath]

I think I got it, but I enjoy him actually watching me make changes per level to what spells I have, and giving me suggestions on what he would pick if he was in my shoes. It's giving me a better insight on what to consider for my spell slots.

Right now the main learning curve is figuring out when and how to use metamagic and concentration spells, and what it does to my turn order or what I can do as actions

[knotty pasture]

Concentration spells are simple, just use them in a situation where you are less likely to be hit or interrupted

[vast pelican]

Yup, lots of tools in the sorcerer's toolbox and some go better together than others

[small heath]

I did the math with what I have. Between Sorcerer Incarnate, Font of Magic, and Innate Sorcery, I realized that I have a lot more sorcery points that I can use than what I initially expected, especially with Sorcerous Restoration

It is fun though to keep making discoverings and doing the math behind my class @vast pelican

At least, I find that part fun 😂

[robust dragon]

Subtle casting counter spell.

Open with concentration spells to maximize their impact.

[small heath]

I actually just swapped out Subtle spell with careful spell as I added on some new combat-based 4th level spells

[robust dragon]

Sorcerer's are blasters.

They also make great anti casters.

Puff of smoke helps with action economy.

[small heath]

My DM did talk about that if our party goes the path he intends us to do, we will have major encounters and "milestones" ahead of us in the next few sessions, so we're almost guaranteed a level up based on his planning. So I can definitely try those suggestions out afterwards.

[robust dragon]

How are you on magic items?

[small heath]

I don't really have much because we haven't been able to stop by a shop or find treasure. He's using a homebrew plot and environment for our story.

I do have a Ring of Spell Holding but it was for a Contact Diety spell that I was given when my character first joined the party for "plot purposes." (Note: from above I joined in mid-quest because someone left and I had to fill in a gap)

But I already used that during out boss fight in order to find what the creature was weak to so... (he explicitly told me it was a 1 time use)

[robust dragon]

Agh. Ok. But you should be able to put another spell into it now that it's spent.

[kindred robin]

Hi guys I’m about to start a small campaign for a group 6. Would it be best to do a pre made campaign rather then creating my own for these new comers?

[small crypt]

Is 55 movement alot at level 5?

[meager fractal]

Yeah. I don't think it's possible without spells

[potent siren]

quite a decent amount

[robust dragon]

I would, at least as an intro.

[potent siren]

how did you get that much movement?

[meager fractal]

I wouldn't recommend a module to anybody. Go homebrew all the way.

[small heath]

Yeah. I'll ask him how I can do that in RP. Also I had to do that because our damn Paladin never used Divine Sense at all while the boss fight dude was interacting with our party easily 4+ different occasions to actually identify what they actually are

[small heath]

Big fumble

[unborn lotus]

Is this your first time DMing?

[kindred robin]

I’ve done before a few times but 10 years ago, I have a new group of friends that finally want to play so I’m back.

[unborn lotus]

Hmmmm it really depends... It's like a dead 50/50 whether you'll do better with a module or not, how were you at studying in school?

[small heath]

If only our Paladin actually used the abilities he has that is specifically useful for our campaign 😔 .

But yeah, I'll ask him how I can add in more into the Ring of Spell Holding in RP.

[kindred robin]

Well I suppose. But I agree it could be 50/50

[unborn lotus]

If you like writing stories and creating your own worlds you'll have a way easier time making it up as you go.
And you can keep a lot more lore in your head about your own world then you could with 10 years of reading about the forgotten realms

[kindred robin]

I like that idea! Beautiful needed the confidence thank you!

[robust dragon]

I homebrew from an adventure. It gives you bones to fall back on and allows you freedom to be creative without needing to write a novel.

[unborn lotus]

Main thing would be, make sure you have a compelling little area to interact with, and plan your encounters beforehand - definitely read the Dungeon Masters guide for creating adventures (what to do with 1, 2 or 3 hours of prep time) it's absolutely brilliant for new DMs

It's also all free on D&D Beyond in the Basic Rules

Also! my #1 advice to new DMs especially if you're running a long campaign is don't fall into this weirdly specific pitfall a shocking amount of DMs fall into:

DO NOT introduce the players in one area, like a town or city or something, and then magically teleport them somewhere else

They shouldn't get trapped in a bag, they shouldn't get kidnapped and sent to adventure land.

Just start the campagin in adventure land.

If you start the campaign somewhere and then whisk them away to the plot, the players only goal for the rest of the game will be to get free of the place they were whisked to. It literally never works it pisses players off so much.
After about 2 sessions in adventure land they'll realise they're stuck there for the whole campaign and their attempts to escape are futile and they'll just not want to play

[hidden spindle]

My guess is Barbarian or Monk & Speedy Feat on a Wood Elf/Goliath.

[kindred robin]

Thank you so much for your help guys!

[cobalt owl]

Today I found out a longbow is taller than my character

[small heath]

Bro my sorcerer is a kobold. Everything is taller than him 😂

[hidden spindle]

Facts

[cobalt owl]

My character is 5'3" with boots on, so thats where its actually noteworhy

[oak shoal]

Playing a dwarf barbarian with my brother was one of the funniest things because we would continuously use each other as imporvised melee attacks

[small heath]

I also discovered my kobold literally does 0 damage with an unarmed attack so I'm going to find an excuse for him to get mad at one of my party members and start punching them, only to literally tickle them 😂

[unborn lotus]

5e?

[small heath]

5e 2024

[empty thicket]

I hope someday get into a trial defending one of my party for something like steal X thing and manage to ruin it down to the point they are going to execute him
"Okey, first day lawyer and i got my client executed, but the experience is what matter and everyone do mistakes"

[small heath]

"Your honor. You see, my client here, he grew up in a trouble time in his life. He changed his ways, and he also makes a killer song during campfires. Surely he'll perform at your birthday party for a pardon of his crimes."

[woven flint]

Me, confidently arguing my speeding ticket into a death sentence

[empty thicket]

"Your honor, you werent there so you cant say nothing"

[small heath]

"Your honor. My client here is literally a kobold. They're too small to even reach the top shelf. Surely they can't be the thief!"

[oak shoal]

"Your honor, nuh uh."

[unborn lotus]

Oh yeah I just checked the rules. I thought they removed the 0 damage unarmed strike

[woven flint]

"Yo ass was NOT there, Honor."

[empty thicket]

Do you swear to speak the truth?
My client: "Yeah, i guess so"

[small heath]

"Unarmed Strike. 5ft Reach. +2 Hit / DC. 0 Bludgeoning damage"

[woven flint]

Russianbadger enjoyers

[empty thicket]

yeah, but mostly it was for the speeding ticket that you said

[woven flint]

Your honor, my client is a Drow, of course he murdered that man /j

[rough basalt]

Your honor. There were no witnesses to that murder, therefore it didn't happen - Menzoberranzan Lawyer.

[small heath]

Your honor. My client is literally a robot. What do you mean his DNA was found at the scene?

[empty thicket]

"Your honor, is obviously the demand is a lie, my client isnt guilty"

[woven flint]

There WAS a murder, you just didn't witness it.

[small heath]

Your honor, I have Detect Magic and you have been charmed. Therefore, this is a mistrial.

[empty thicket]

It was obviously a set up, who leave a sack full of gold pieces at one side of the strongbox in the deepest room of the shop? Only someone that want to attack my client

[rough basalt]

Menzo law is brutal

[small heath]

And for the final piece of the coffin, the body was never found!

[woven flint]

Your honor, he simply exists, he's guilty as hell, throw the book at him

• Waterdeep Lawyers

[knotty pasture]

In Menzoberranzan therapy doesn't exist

[empty thicket]

"Sir, your client is only charged for stealing some grapes"

[small heath]

In fact, he's a zombie now because of the local necromancer. Therefore, he isn't dead!

[knotty pasture]

-- Someone from House Banere, probably

[rough basalt]

You know what the worst job in waterdeep oughta be?

Tax collector

[empty thicket]

"like you can see your honor, you sentenced for life my client so if i Stabs him and slap a diamond at him for revivify, Fixed"

[rough basalt]

Cause you know all those wizards won't pay taxes

[small heath]

Nah someone should make a whole D&D campaign but it's based off from Phoenix Wright 💀

[woven flint]

My Drow Warlock lived in Menzoberrenzen, his sister was literally murdered by a Balor and they literally just "Womp Womp'd" this man pretty much

[umbral girder]

“Your honor we’d like to pass it on to the next client, double or nothing.”

[rough basalt]

Tbf to them, she should've just won

[woven flint]

She was a child 😭

[empty thicket]

"your honor, rock paper scissors, if i win you leave my client be"

[woven flint]

She should've rolled better stats 💀

[umbral girder]

A Balor!?

[rough basalt]

She should've been a level 20 cleric already

[umbral girder]

The demons who are 1 step below a Demon Lord

[rough basalt]

Yes.

[empty thicket]

She should've prayed harder for a miracle

[woven flint]

That's why the Balor got away with it, what the hell are the drow people SUPPOSED to do?!

[small heath]

Skill issue

[rough basalt]

She didn't use the most powerful weapon to use against a Balor

[umbral girder]

Like Lolth gives helpful intervention.

She just makes it worse for everyone in the area.

[woven flint]

Like Lolth gives a damn 😭

[empty thicket]

"Your honor, my client is a Barbarian zealot, you cant sentence him to death, jaque mate"

[small heath]

Anyways ima sleep. If someone does a Phoenix Wright D&D campaign hit me up. GN ❤️

[rough basalt]

I'd be worried if Lolth helped

[umbral girder]

“We cast Calm emotions then kill him.”

[empty thicket]

"nuh uh"

[woven flint]

Lolth is just indifferent towards the suffering of her people

[rough basalt]

She directly causes it sometimes for fun

Iirc the War of the Spider Queen occurred cause Lolth was bored

[empty thicket]

anyway, any rogue in the chat?

[umbral girder]

“Your honor Tiamat said so”

[woven flint]

Lolth dunking on my Drow for being a good big brother by killing the only thing that made his life worth living with a Balor

[balmy latch]

Yoo Wsp guys, I recently bought the welcome to hellfire club set, I’m new to D&D and so are all my friends playing with me as the DM I was wondering if there is any way for me to get the books that I have physically online on dnd beyond or something without having to buy it again if anyone knows lmk or dm me please 🙏

[rough basalt]

Man I wanna play in a ToD game

[empty thicket]

"your honor, my client say that tiamat wont let you harm him"

[rough basalt]

I wanna be railroaded

[umbral girder]

“Your honor this is a clear challenge. Prepare your Undead army.”

[empty thicket]

"your honor, this trial isnt fair, i didnt studied for being a lawyer"

[rough basalt]

"Your honor, my client Szass Tam has clearly been too busy doing deskwork to be involved in this plot."

[small heath]

"Your honor. Why is there a Nightwalker in the caucus?"

[woven flint]

Your honor, Tiamat eats people for fun!

The hell are we supposed to do?

[rough basalt]

It is kinda funny how Tam usually gets stuck doing desk work

[umbral girder]

The Judge: “Why wouldn’t he be there?”

[woven flint]

The Nightwalker knows your sins.

[rough basalt]

Dude thought being the Lich Regent of Thay would be all plots and games

Nah wagie here's 5 more years of paperwork

[empty thicket]

Dnd adventure, tax collectors

[rough basalt]

Tomb of Annihilation, but the party works for a Tax Agency

[umbral girder]

“Your honor that was clearly Acererak’s simulacrum who did it not him.”

[rough basalt]

They send you to chult to wrangle some tax evaders (Flaming Fists, Thayans, and certain Dinosaurs)

[empty thicket]

Background, Tax collector, +15 intimidation

[woven flint]

Your honor, Acererak says "Nah, I ain't paying." To both Child Support and Taxes....
What do we do?

[umbral girder]

“Repossess his dungeons”

[empty thicket]

starts laundering money in Armor washing places

[rough basalt]

I need me some dnd

[empty thicket]

Evade taxes buying a metal golem

[small heath]

Your honor, Id like to call Lathander to the stand.

[empty thicket]

same, last session teh DM ended it before we had to fight the boss of this chapter. Im waiting with a bloodlust that isnt healthy

[rough basalt]

I think ima increase my current dnd game amount from 2 to 7

[umbral girder]

I can fix that number for you.
2 to 17. /jk

[livid owl]

that's certainly a jump!

[rough basalt]

I'll go for 12

[small heath]

Bro 2 weeks ago we stopped mid boss fight. And the next session one of our PCs gets kidnapped and we are directly told they will be the next boss fight.

So now im unhealthily paranoid for tomorrow's session

[rough basalt]

Nah better idea
4 games of dnd, then 3 games of 3 different systems.

[livid owl]

madman....

[empty thicket]

We might retake in a campaign that we had a longbreak for DM studies
Last session i was abandoned by my party against a boss and i alone made him bend a knee and get into second phase
I couldnt escape but the boss spared me for giving a big fight and throw me half dead to where my allies were
The dm already said it will come back, that some actions have consequences

Im waiting for the second round, i didnt had any offensive spell last time, Ranger hunter.
Next time im taking zephyr strike and obliterate him

[small heath]

Well we thought we killed the big bad but our Paladin never used Divine Sense so it turns out our big bad was an undead... so we didn't really kill him just weakened him.

[rough basalt]

The plan is to never have a second to breathe, only tabletop

[small heath]

So because of that our orc barbarian gets kidnapped and is going to be mega buffed for his boss fight soon.

Because he fell victim to the big bad's mind control.

[umbral girder]

Even better. 4 games of DnD and 3 games with 3 different systems each

[rough basalt]

4 5e games, 1 DS, 1 DH, and 1 PF

Perfectly balanced as all things should be

[umbral girder]

That way the total is now 13 games

[empty thicket]

Breakfast in session 2014
Bath and cook lunch
Session while eating lunch 2024
Do exercise while doing a theater of mind
Work while playing 3.5
Get back from work to eat leftovers and session pathfinder

[rough basalt]

Never touching 2014 again

[small heath]

Imagine taking a college course and in the middle you are in a session of d&d

"Hold on professor let me do a persuasion check."

[empty thicket]

when there were virtual classes i was more than one time playing Darkest dungeon while the teacher was explaining stuff. i think it was french or some technical of cooking

[small heath]

💀

[empty thicket]

i always understood everything without problem and even made it well

[small heath]

Sadly im officially an alumni so I don't get to have that fun anymore 😭

[empty thicket]

obviously, i was playing stuff i was keen on it or were just chill, because staring all the time the face of my teacher while i just needed to heard wont make me get a +1 understanding

[small heath]

"Professor i failed a history check on last week's lesson, can you reteach it again in a summarized manner?"

Anyways gn

[oblique girder]

Does anyone know when they’re going to start the new Greyhawk organized play?

[tiny saddle]

how come is the standard array for fighter 8 INT, if fighter has 2 subclasses that use INT as its Spellcasting Ability?

or does Eldritch Knight just suck?

[knotty pasture]

Most other subclasses don't need int

Eldritch Knight and Psi Warrior have their own unique stat distributions that deviates a bit from the standard Fighter build

Eldritch Knight is probably the strongest Fighter subclass

[tiny saddle]

EK literally has: Spellcasting Ability. Intelligence is your spellcasting ability for your Wizard spells.

[knotty pasture]

Yeah but standard array isn't taking EK into account cuz EK follows a different stat distribution entirely

That very formula isn't really applicable to most other subclasses

There's like 4 ways to build Fighter anyways

[rough basalt]

Ye fighter is the build a bear workshop of martials

Some other subs have minor to major interactions with the other mental stats as well

Like Samurai can add its Wis mod to persuasion

Or new Banneret uses cha mod for its features

[empty thicket]

EK is good, cover one of the biggest flaws of the class and is hard counter against spells//Effects

[unborn lotus]

There are plenty of subclasses that suddenly make you wish you'd invested in a different stat, there's a couple of Rogue, Charisma subclasses for example
And arcane trickster uses int

[empty thicket]

with access to spells you can solve that, mostly defensive ones//effects
you can get some long range and dont use a bow//crossbow but arent the usual choose
In any way, remember that fighter get 2 more ASI than other classes so spend some in int for that might be an option too

[rough basalt]

Arcane Archer also uses int

Tho that subclass you should avoid

[empty thicket]

unless you are 100% into long range fighter, that isnt a bad option

[rough basalt]

Eh mediocre at best I'd say

Cause it does force you to use a short or longbow

If you're playing with '24 rules it has a dead feature but that's only with '24 rules

[empty thicket]

true, but you can still use other weapons, proficiency.
Still give upgrades to a whole section and if you add archery you get access to a lot of range damage that cant be countered by counterspell or other stuff

[rough basalt]

Fighters get all weapon prof anyways

[empty thicket]

yep, its what i was saying, you can still use a longbow and some sword, axe, anything except whip

No one use a whip.

[glass granite]

Monk-
Some fun rogues-

[rough basalt]

Arcane Shot only works with shortbow and longbow so why would you pick a subclass you can't use if you wanna use other weapons

[empty thicket]

Powe....nevermind, this sound funny

[empty thicket]

other subclasses dont upgrade directly the weapons, only if im not wrong, arcane shot and cavalier. And again, access to long range attacks that cant be countered normally like spells make you a danger

A shame that +1 ammo is too expensive too

[rough basalt]

They don't upgrade the weapons, they're basically BM maneuvers but magical

And you only get 2

[empty thicket]

Yep

[empty thicket]

you get more through levels

[rough basalt]

No you only get two uses per short rest static

[umbral girder]

Hold on this is new to me

[rough basalt]

Then at level 15 you get 1 back on initiative if you're empty

[empty thicket]

no wait, yeah, only 2 shoots but can access to more options trough levels

[glass granite]

2 shots is…

Kinda pathetic tbh

[rough basalt]

Yeah thankfully they're updating it

[glass granite]

For a feature that an entire subclass revolves around

[empty thicket]

yeah, would make it add 1 more per levels or idk, proficiency or smt like that

[rough basalt]

Any time I've seen an AA at a table the DM homebrewed them to help them out.

Usually making the Arcane shot prof amount instead of just 2

Made them able to keep up with other fighters

And the Arcane shots themselves don't get upgraded till level 18 which makes them pretty lackluster due to the only 2 shots per rest

[empty thicket]

But yeah, considerations that no other subclass upgrade the long range options of the class. Arcane archer seems normal for me.
Not giga peak because i get there might be some numbers thing again
Magic ammo+magic weapon+arcane archer and you get a 50.cal disguised like an arrow

[rough basalt]

Like one AS ability turns your attack roll into a dex save or half and all it does is add an additional d6 force damage to your attack damage roll dice if they fail.

[glass granite]

IMO arcane archer is, like, top three worst fighter subclass

Maybe I should just say bottom three

[bronze wave]

I view it as a much worse battle master

[rough basalt]

It's definitely not Undying/Battlerager bad but it was the last of a dying design choice (making stuff bad for no reason)

[bronze wave]

2 arrows is crazy lol

[bronze wave]

Even undying is atleast unique ish

[rough basalt]

Me using my 1 of 2 per rest abilities for the same damage of a HM proc on one attack if they fail a dex save against my DC:12 save

[empty thicket]

Might be like im saying, they dont upgrade range weapons because you can add lots of mini buffs that make them giga dangerous.
Maybe im being to nice to a class that is in fact a battle master with bow and some magic

[rough basalt]

Cool idea, absolutely worst possible execution

[rough basalt]

Make them decent at best

When compared to its more competent, more attractive older brother Battlemaster that will become the Main Character

[bronze wave]

I don’t rlly care for most fighter subclasses tbh

[rough basalt]

A subclass shouldn't need a bunch of consumable/magic items to do the same as another subclass

[bronze wave]

Battle master and echo knight that’s it

[empty thicket]

make it force damage is a good thing for me, that is an okey feature so you dont have to worry about resistances
curving shoot is a second chance to a failed shoot
maybe make ever ready shot give you half of shoots, idk

Beside that, it give you access to magic in a weird way

[bronze wave]

Eldritch knight so meh to me, you wanna be a blade singer soooo bad

[rough basalt]

Magic that's not really that good

[empty thicket]

Isnt PEAK like other fighter classes, i wont deny it
Is just, "okey" if we dont see the 2 arrows only thing

[glass granite]

But we do see

[bronze wave]

I don’t even think the arcane archer arrow effects are that good lol

[rough basalt]

At its best, it's alright.
It's not as bad as the infamous bad Subclasses, but it's pretty bad.

[bronze wave]

Like they are fine but it’s not that interesting either yk?

[glass granite]

Yeah it’s not 4 elements

[rough basalt]

You often do need homebrew or DM favoritism with it

Thankfully WotC is updating it and buffing it

[empty thicket]

and one thing i just thought, we are considerate that a fighter can throw like 1 to 4 arrows per turn + action surge?
Yeah, lets say is 1 magic arrow + 1 more in action surge
(2 archery + Attack damage + 2d6necrotic x4 more arrows) x 2 = total damage.
No magic weapon or magic ammo.

[rough basalt]

They're making it a scaling thing like BM, giving you more Int profs, buffing the shots, moving the level 15 feature to level 7.

[empty thicket]

this sound nice

might not be peak like other subclasses but the numbers dont seem bad, maybe instead of 2d6 would be better 2d10? 2d8?

[rough basalt]

Yeah it's alright at best

But community consensus is that it's bad and the evidence does support it and WotC agrees thankfully

[empty thicket]

i think that bad might be too harsh, but wont deny that if it get some buffs, just for being in fighter i am more than happy

[bronze wave]

What’s the buffs?

[rough basalt]

Their level 15 feature that gives you 1 shot on initiative if you're empty is now level 7

[bronze wave]

Oh that’s it?

[rough basalt]

Arcane shots are now a scaling die like BM die, and the bad ones do more damage.

Also you get both of the int skill profs instead of 1

[bronze wave]

Where do these get announced even

[rough basalt]

It's in UA

Also Arcane Archer can use any ammunition weapon now

[bronze wave]

Oh

[empty thicket]

Banishing arrow sound funny tho

[rough basalt]

No stuck to shortbow and longbows anymore

[empty thicket]

crossbows added too?

[rough basalt]

Anything that uses ammo

[elfin bramble]

Hey y'all

[rough basalt]

So Crossbows, Guns, and Slings (iirc they use ammo too)

[empty thicket]

Damn that dont sound bad, i would liked it to any range attack so i could justify a throwing spears build

[rough basalt]

Also you can change out 1 arcane shot option whenever you gain 1 if you aren't getting use out of 1

Which is standard for such subclasses now cause something that's useful at low levels sometimes won't be at mid to high

Like Menacing Attack from BM

Frighten is very good at low levels when most enemies don't have immunity to nearly all conditions

[empty thicket]

im reading some of the arcane shoots
Grasping arrow just need to get you a terminal disease too and that it is
Poison, slaying, if you move you get damaged, less movement for 1 minute if dont breaking it

Like, the shoots are good, maybe update some damages(?) idk

im tired, off for today

[glass granite]

Hi tired, I’m Nugget

[empty thicket]

Hi nugget I'm a mimmic

[knotty pasture]

Yeah but standard arrays don't cover all possible builds, only the most popular build (even then I don't entirely follow it)

I assume standard array Fighters run str but dex fighters are just as viable

And EK/Psi Warrior builds are even more niche

[unborn lotus]

Easy solution, just choose your own stats 😝
You can even still use Standard Array

[empty thicket]

still considerate, fighter get 2 more stats up than other classes so you can invest those 4 points // 2 feats + 2 points to a lot of stuff

[unborn lotus]

And if you suddenly realise you messed up at level 3 I'm sure any resonable DM will let you respec as long as you keep your original rolls

[rough basalt]

Well the provided standard array is just the most default play for newcomers.

And the Subclasses that are free or recommended for newcomers for Fighter and Rogue are Champion and Thief that don't use int

[empty thicket]

Rolling for stats is funny, i would always recommend rolling 2 to 3 times and see what hte rest of the team roll
If all got bad stats then a weak start
If all got good stats then lets start teh party

[empty thicket]

Champion is funny, sadly some games dont reach the lvl 18 feature

[rough basalt]

'24 Champion is very fun

I never do rolled stats as a DM personally

[empty thicket]

"Survivor
At 18th level, you attain the pinnacle of resilience in battle. At the start of each of your turns, you regain hit points equal to 5 + your Constitution modifier if you have no more than half of your hit points left. You don't gain this benefit if you have 0 hit points."
You can reach such sustain in a battle that is even violent for me.

[rough basalt]

Their new 18th level feature is even funnier

[empty thicket]

i did, its funny how one can get literally god tier stats, or a 4.

[rough basalt]

2024 Champion gets their critical range added to death saves.

So if you roll an 18 or higher you're just back up

[empty thicket]

Epic and get the healing part, the thing i think is, only that healing raw is good but at that point i expect it you get some magical items to help you too

or just team members, a cleric with aura of life healing you per turn+your heal+ring of regeneration

a mini tarrasque in terms of regeneration

and like it or not, 2 fighting styles can lead to real dangerous stuff

[rough basalt]

One of my favorite parts of '24 is martial variety being upped

Weapon Masteries make using other weapons more fun

Especially dual wield

I've played more martials than casters since the 2024 ruleset dropped

[empty thicket]

Yeah, those Lil effects help a lot

You feel more dynamic

[woven flint]

Yeah, but by 18th level you're supposed to be Incredibly powerful

[rough basalt]

My Rogue in my Tuesday game has been putting in work with the handbow + dagger

I feel bad for the next enemy I crit with my dagger and sneak attack

2d4 + 5 + 16d6 (cause of vicious dagger)

Wait

Nah it'd be 18d6

[woven flint]

Saved our asses in that last encounter 😭

[rough basalt]

When we hit level 17 it's gonna get even more insane

[woven flint]

We really need a 5th for that campaign cause Ti being absent almost killed Rae and my lad a few times

[rough basalt]

Cause of my capstone making all rolls on sneak attack at least a 3

[remote wadi]

Unrelated, but request for Mon-Thurs was approved

No missed DnD sessions for this guy

[rough basalt]

True

I'm loving Scion Rogue

[night hedge]

Hey guys

Morning all

[empty thicket]

Yeah and you kinda are

But being able to self heal even at half hp is something powerful, for free.

[cloud bison]

is the monster hunter class just a martial?

[humble cairn]

Sounds like a #third-party class.

[bronze wave]

At max 10hp a round is kinda mid ngl lol

[limber trail]

on a round by round basis it's not incredible, it does mean that as long as there's like, a minute between fights, you will almost always be starting a fight with at least half HP

[empty thicket]

Its a Lil sustain per round, 10, 20 etc etc

And knowing fighter have a good hp pool + tough, welp

[hot gate]

It's pretty incredible, given what healing usually costs.

[bronze wave]

More reasons to play paladins….

For a mere bonus action! Lay on hands

[limber trail]

effectively on par with a free cure wounds each turn

[empty thicket]

That too, add a pasive healing and your team can not worry from your side

[hot gate]

Sure, but that's limited

[bronze wave]

Its like 90 hp at that lvl

You be aight plus you have spells

[limber trail]

a champion does get 90hp in a minute at that level

[hot gate]

Likely, but if there is some drawn out battle, the underlying sustain of champion might make a big difference.

[bronze wave]

Are you going to be in combat for that long? 😔

[limber trail]

No, but it works outside of combat too

[hot gate]

Not one combat, but perhaps multiple

[empty thicket]

Im lvl 6 and have 57, i guess that at 18 with tough and more stuff you reach above 100

[bronze wave]

Sure but atp take a short rest or smth. Also only also only goes to half hp. That’s not the best place to be either

[limber trail]

Half HP is pretty dang good at high levels as a fighter

[bronze wave]

If you can get to that in between fights

[empty thicket]

Its an okey place, can still use the second wind and save some allies heals

[hot gate]

Short rests healing is limited too and always better to be able to spend less hit dice

[bronze wave]

Feels like that has to be tailor made for you atp lol

[limber trail]

also a short rest is an hour, a fighter can get back up in a couple minutes

[empty thicket]

If Lucky, regeneration ring

And there, you are a monster

[umbral girder]

Champion fighter has so much more HP than a Paladin at high levels

Not only the Regeneration but 2nd winds, plus usually higher con mod so more short rest healing.
Also more 2nd wind uses on short rests

They just be rolling in effective HP by a landslide

[signal raven]

a dm either kicked me out or nuked the whole dnd server i was in DX we only had one session and i thought the campaign was promising , bruh

[bronze wave]

Does it lol? They have the same hit dice and idk if 2nd wind out weighs spells and lay on hands

[reef tundra]

Idk the regeneration is pretty promising

I still love paladin more than fighter though

[bronze wave]

A lot of Paladin capstone are Al’s way crazier

[reef tundra]

Very much so

[bronze wave]

You can outright be immortal for some

[reef tundra]

I say they achieve similar things in different ways, and that they’re not the same

[umbral girder]

Average of 25.5 per Second wind. Since they now have 4 before short resting its 102 average healing

Plus Champion fighter has no casting Modifier so their hit dice heal more for most likely having just a better Con modifier

[reef tundra]

Romantic sigh I love fighter

[umbral girder]

Then easily displaced by the Regeneration Champion gets as well.

[reef tundra]

It depends on what type of paladin the player is going for

[umbral girder]

Fun how 2nd wind out heals Lay on Hands at level 20 before short resting for more uses

[reef tundra]

They don’t have the same goal though

Second wind is specifically a self heal and self buff for the fighter so they can keep fighting, but lay on hands is supposed to be a support tool to heal yourself and allies as well as removing debuffing conditions

[umbral girder]

Notably it’s more in Fighter’s favor to regularly have more of a Con mod since they have no casting stat and 2 more ASIs than Paladin (and most of the classes)

[reef tundra]

I can agree with that, actually

As a paladin main, I can’t list a single time I’ve pushed con to 20, as opposed to when I play fighter

[pine zodiac]

Also paladin main yeah usually my list of stats goes CHA STR THEN CON then dex and the rest just go from there

Also gotta say paladins will never stop being my goat everytime a friend of mine gets into dnd and asks what class should I do i always just say ohhh you can pick anything that seems interesting to you BUT paladin is pretty cool lmao

[umbral girder]

My personal favorite is Ranger

I like playing a guy who can reliably step into a role the party needs filled last minute

[reef tundra]

Oooohoho I love Ranger too

[brittle beacon]

this is a monk and barbarian house

[primal forum]

I've played dnd for almost a year now. My first ever campaign is still on going. But one of the players wants to host another campaign to alternate with the other one. And this time it's 3.5 because that is where he is most confident. May I ask how hard it is to transition to 3.5 for someone who's just new and has only ever played 5e

[umbral girder]

It’s a lot more

Good luck.

[brittle beacon]

idk my self but you should probably go to #dnd-elder-editions

[reef tundra]

The people in #dnd-elder-editions might know more

[reef tundra]

Same brainwave

[primal forum]

Aah okay thank you

[hot comet]

You'll be ok. It's crunchier, knowing your build matters in 3.5.. but it's an alternating campaign, so there won't be as much pressure. If your DM knows 3.5 well and you understand the fundamentals, you're in a good spot to learn it.

My advice would be to start out in 3.5 with a straightforward class, like a fighter. Just get familiar with it on something simple.

[woven flint]

Hello, dear friends

[umbral girder]

We lack deer here. /jk

[glass granite]

I greet the Lord of Goofy!

[woven flint]

Damnit, wrong house?

[reef tundra]

Speak for yourself /lhj

[umbral girder]

Yeah this is Dungeons & Dragons server.
Not Dormitories & Deer. /jk

[reef tundra]

Fine then, I’ll just go there >:(
no deer for you

[pine zodiac]

No this is Patrick

[ebon dome]

I wonder if I'm still good at dming combat

[glass granite]

Only one way to find out!

[sharp acorn]

heyyy

[pine zodiac]

Yo

[glass granite]

Goood morning afternoon evening, Wahzzup

[sharp acorn]

I just ate breakfast i'm so full kkkk, what are y'all doing/did today

[glass granite]

Writing a poem on one of my sessions from one of my player’s character’s perspectives

[sharp acorn]

Ohhh 👀

[glass granite]

Problem is, im not sure if it saved 😭

[pine zodiac]

Can’t sleep so I’m just chilling

[sharp acorn]

AH 😭 😭

[pine zodiac]

Did make some stat blocks for a campaign that was cool

[glass granite]

IT SAVED

[reef tundra]

Amen 🙏

[glass granite]

Woohoooo

[reef tundra]

Once I spent two hours making a stat block on some new site, only to find out it wouldn’t export properly

[sharp acorn]

Insomnia? Or just late sleep

[pine zodiac]

Eh maybe both

[sharp acorn]

YOHOUUUUUUU

[sharp acorn]

ahhhhh, hope you'll sleep soon haha

[pine zodiac]

CRAZY I think I would just lowkey jump

[sharp acorn]

would've broke the computer

[pine zodiac]

I might just work out I got like some dumbbells and some weights and a barbell might just tire myself out with that then fall asleep

[sharp acorn]

that works too !!

[reef tundra]

I was tempted to, but I blame the site for being so weird

[sharp acorn]

good option

[pine zodiac]

Nothing like a cure to insomnia like melatonin pills and lifting big metal circles over and over again

[sharp acorn]

Yeah understandable

[unborn lotus]

I don't understand why I have to wait a week between Looking for Player posts
Last night I put out a call for players, got my players, played again, it was successful!

Then today I want to play again but I'm not allowed 😑

Gotta wait 7 days

[marble lion]

....dm the people you played with?

Build some contacts through playing, then you can play without posting

[idle oar]

Our server is not the only place to find a group or organize a game.

[waxen geyser]

Is 21 AC considered decent at level 12? (I do have shield so i could bump it up to 26 if needed.)

[cerulean monolith]

At that level, 19 AC or higher is where enemies will be missing you more often than not.

[waxen geyser]

Thanks, it's been a while since i played at a higher level so just wanted to check.

[bleak basin]

Agree

[marble lion]

I like you

[eternal tendon]

I'm trying to learn guitar so I can further annoy my GM with bardic shenanigans

My high E string is buzzing a lot and I'm not sure if it's a skill issue or if I need a new string

I'm gonna take it into a music store tomorrow and see if anyone in there knows what the issue could be

[umbral wadi]

hello everyone

[prime basin]

sup

[umbral wadi]

how are you doing today?

[eternal tendon]

Eh, I'm on Discord. About as well as can be expected ¯_(ツ)_/¯

How about you?

[umbral wadi]

thats great

[umbral wadi]

I'm also good

whats your favourite game

[idle oar]

We do have #non-dnd-topics for discussing all things Not D&D

But otherwise the channels are focussed on discussing D&D topics - see #channel-guide

[vale sage]

Why are premade characters for official adventures always so poorly made? Just because they're meant to be beginner PC's, doesn't mean they have to be made as if they were by someone who doesn't know the game.

[fresh tundra]

Do you have some server which organizes games or has people looking for players

[idle oar]

#find-a-game explains how to use our Looking For Game channels

[cosmic roost]

Ready to play Dungeons & Dragons?

Visit #find-a-game for everything you need to start your search, including:

• Instructions for finding a game here on the server (including how to post in our #looking-for channels).
• Suggestions for finding a game outside of this server.
• Basic advice to help you in your hunt.

[woeful glade]

Hi im incredibly new to DnD can anyone give me some tips?

[fresh tundra]

Yeah ik but still if you do let me know

[fresh tundra]

Read the free rules

[idle oar]

I just told you what this server provides

[woeful glade]

Where?

[cosmic roost]

Welcome to Adventure!

Visit #learn-to-play for everything you need to get started!

• [What is D&D?](#learn-to-play message)
• [How does it work?](#learn-to-play message)
• [Where do I join?](#learn-to-play message)
• [Frequently Asked Questions](#learn-to-play message)

Quick Links

Basic Rules | Introductory videos | Create a character

[tame estuary]

can't, against rules

[undone tendon]

Hello, How are you. What type of tips you want in DND?

[fresh tundra]

? What how? Also what is

[woeful glade]

Im trying to make a character but i dont know all the things to do

[tame estuary]

all lfg stuff are limited to the lfg channels

[woeful glade]

?

[fresh tundra]

Ah no I saw his msg and thought he might know a server or something

[undone tendon]

Which character do you trying to make?

[woeful glade]

Can you mix two classes?

[fresh tundra]

I think

[woeful glade]

Like for example barbarian and cleric

[fresh tundra]

Don't know though

You do have subclass

[woeful glade]

So i was thinking like a
rogue/monk so theyre like a great fighter but still stealthy and stuff

[fresh tundra]

Check cleric subclasses maybe there's a war cleric

[woeful glade]

What dat

[fresh tundra]

Fighter clerics? I suppose

[undone tendon]

Oh that's interesting! So you can make by your own self?

[fresh tundra]

Wait a min lemme cleric subclasses rq

[woeful glade]

Idk ive never played DnD

[humble cairn]

The Basic Rules are available to read for free and your question is answered in this section on Multiclassing: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/creating-a-character#Multiclassing

[glass granite]

Hello folks

[humble cairn]

Take a read through the free rules to learn the basics!

[woeful glade]

Whats a war domain?

[undone tendon]

No worries! You don’t need to have played DnD to enjoy talking about it or learning the basics. It’s basically a group storytelling game where you create a character and go on adventures guided by a Dungeon Master.

[woeful glade]

I searched war cleric and there came up some cleric war domain

[glass granite]

I think that’s a subclass

[fresh tundra]

There's a war domain subclass of cleric

Wait lemme read for a sec

It says they use spells for battle

[woeful glade]

Ooo so like the clerics healing shit but also fireball?

[humble cairn]

The Basic Rules are available to read for free and your question is answered in this section on Clerics: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/character-classes#Cleric

[fresh tundra]

Do you want a pic on the description of war domains?

[humble cairn]

Every Class has subclasses, which are like specializations you choose when you hit level 3 in the class. "War" is one of the subclasses of Cleric.

[woeful glade]

Yes

[fresh tundra]

Wait a moment

[humble cairn]

This server channel doesn't allow pictures to be posted.

[woeful glade]

So u need to level up to get subclasses

?

[humble cairn]

Correct. Check out #learn-to-play and the #dnd-newcomers channel.

[fresh tundra]

Oh I'll dm him

[woeful glade]

How do u dm ppl

[humble cairn]

That's assuming 1) they want direct messages and 2) that they use "him" as a pronoun.

[fresh tundra]

Oh I don't think that's much of a problem

[humble cairn]

It's not, you just have to ask first.

[fresh tundra]

He said yes

[fresh tundra]

I'll keep that in mind

[fresh tundra]

I dmed you check your message requests i think

[woeful glade]

Thx

[fresh tundra]

Glad I could help

[umbral wadi]

hey

[loud kayak]

Hello!

[coral forge]

Hi everyone I'm new

[vagrant creek]

Hello

[thin brook]

gm all i hope u all have good Adventure today

[loud kayak]

Any adventure is a good adventure

[coral forge]

Hola

[undone tendon]

Yep, that’s normal!

[formal dove]

do new players like the adventures in the stranger things box set? for context my friends want to play bc of stranger things

[lyric viper]

I haven't looked too much into it yet, but if it seems a bit too advanced another one to try is Heroes on the Borderland starter kit- it's an update of a classic old module that the boys would have almost certainly used, so still has that classic feel and feels like you'd be playing along with their adventures, while being perfect for beginners.

[formal dove]

thanks!

[minor cargo]

Bob the World Builder did a review of it. Link here. About 15 minutes long.

In general, he thought it was great and definitely designed to be played (rather than say a collector's item).

Hope it helps!

[stuck fractal]

Alright change of plans, it seems that none of my members are able to play DND by VC but only by text due to certain complications, I don’t know how I’ll do this

[hot gate]

Play by post is certainly a possibility (see here for examples), but definitely feels a lot different than in-person or vc D&D.

[woeful glade]

Is elgate the kexy lich your DnD name?

[burnt valley]

has anybody used a gmod skit as inspiration for dnd campaigns?

[proven shuttle]

Anyone here from Maine? I am an event coordinator and have a really cool event happening, and would love to share!!!

[hot gate]

Inspiration can come from anywehre, I don't doubt someone did

[stuck fractal]

It’s gonna be quite difficult since it’ll take place in discord, with a bot that’ll help differentiate whose who.

Ive just been informed after receiving most of the players backstories

[hot gate]

Well, decide for yourself if this is a dealbreaker. It would certainly be for me if I had a different impression.

[stuck fractal]

I thought its an optional thing, but I can’t call this whole thing off since I already noted half of the campeign and started on the map.

I’ll probably have to make adjustments and work with the bots available in the server, thanks for the advice btw

[tawdry sentinel]

Play by post is SLOW and I cannot overstate that.

[hot gate]

It would be your right to do so. I wouldn't run a campaign if my players suddenly informed me that actually, we aren't going to be playing in the medium I'm preparing for.

It should (mostly) be the other way around: the DM offers and the players can either participate or not. There should be some leeway for compromise, but I think switching from vc to pbp is too much.

[vagrant quartz]

Playing dnd by text sounds very depressing

[hot gate]

It can be very interesting and fun, but it's certainly a mode shift.

Not something I'd do without carefully considering it first.

[vagrant quartz]

I just find it hard to convey emotion by text

Not for me for sure

Gl to them !

[hot gate]

We'll you're effectively writing prose. Books convey emotion just fine. But it not being for you is completely valid, I don't do it anymore either.

[spring light]

i have fun with both my text and in person games, they just play and function differently.

text games tend to be slower and more methodical, with sessions slowly brewing over days or weeks
while live games tend to be very fast and punchy, with a lot more rules misunderstandings and blowing past mistakes

text is quite enjoyable if you like reading and writing, and carefully crafting a story and deeply thinking what your character (or world) will do, think, or say

live is quite enjoyable if you wanna sit around a table and play make believe with friends

[crimson gulch]

i cant stand playing via text, i tried years ago and in the time i took for 3 days in the adventure i bought the book and ran it twice

[spring light]

yeah, if you're not into very slow burn and slow pace, it's going to be unsatisfying

[crimson gulch]

my games escalate very quickly usually

[spring light]

yeah, live games tend to be much more fast paced and punchy

god, imagine a live game dragging out over days or weeks

[hot gate]

You mean, other than just multiple sessions?

[spring light]

Yeah, just one single LOOOONG session

[buoyant oar]

I utilize text play for RP Chats for in-between sessions. Focusing on downtime between characters.

[fresh tundra]

That's a campaign isn't it

[hot gate]

ah lol yeah, that would certainly be something

[buoyant oar]

Longest marathon I ran was over 24 hours.

[spring light]

i've always found that a fascinating way to tie things together

[fresh tundra]

Like a big map and you can explore anywhere

[crimson gulch]

i crave being able to block out a whole day for a game

[spring light]

My live sessions tend to run 4-6 hours

[crimson gulch]

i tried this a few times but so many of my players are busy adults that cant spare the time between sessions at all

[buoyant oar]

It is also a nice tool for a dungeon master to post vignettes to show them what other characters are doing and reacting to the world.

It is especially nice in games where main villains don't appear "on screen" much.

[dapper cloud]

Or even just drop easy to reference Lore dumps.

[hollow lance]

I find it funny when people act like eldritch blast isn't still the best cantrip for spell warlocks

like at the end of the day that +5 becomes +10 at level 5

[uncut zenith]

EB is the best attack cantrip in general, but yeah it’s much better for a warlock with agonizing blast

[hollow lance]

nah I can see an argument for toll the dead being better if you aren't fighting necrotic resistant enemies

[uncut zenith]

It deals the most damage on average, and it’s a damage type that’s rarely resisted, so it pretty consistently hurts anybody

[worn lagoon]

its been weird trying to get accustomed to that, coming over from bg3 where it's not top 5

[hollow lance]

also I find it funny that if you use magic stone in 2024 it actually DOES outdamage eldritch blast

cus +5 base and +5 from Ablast

thats 13.5 average damage and you can give it to unseen servants or animated objects just to make it even more gross

[worn lagoon]

what even do they suggest is better
i don't remember warlocks having that many competitive cantrips

[hollow lance]

one of my friends INSISTS that fire bolt is better now, or toll the dead

[crimson gulch]

how is d6 plus mod better than d 10 plus mod?

[worn lagoon]

...i guess with a lv1 death cleric dip? otherwise, eeeeehhh?

[uncut zenith]

New Warlocks can benefit from Agonizing Blast on any damage cantrip now, so they’re not so beholden to EB as they were in 2014

[crimson gulch]

especially when you need to throw the stones with an attack, so a spellcaster is only going to be able to throw one a turn

[hollow lance]

it already adds the mod, you're adding it twice from different abilities therefore making it d6+10, this becomes useless at level 5 though since magic stone doesn't scale

[worn lagoon]

didn't know this, now i can sort of see the idea

[spring light]

prestidigitation is best cantrip, change my mind.

[hollow lance]

thats my point though, this only effects melee warlocks, EB is still just the best attacking cantrip overall

[jovial shadow]

They are usually just looking at the single amount of damage, with only one attack. Whereas Eldritch allows you to have multiple attacks, which could lead to at least one being a critical.

[granite merlin]

quick question, not sure if it sthe right place to ask it but how exactly do i use the #looking-for-players thingy.

[hollow lance]

minor illusion putting 10 platinum pieces on the floor of a main square 😏

[woeful glade]

Guys do you need to know all the D&D lore to be a dungeon master?

[uncut zenith]

No

[spring light]

not at all.

[uncut zenith]

Plenty of DMs create their own lore

[woeful glade]

Cool

[spring light]

i create my own lore, borrow from d&d, and from many sources.

[woeful glade]

Do u make your own land when being a dm?

[spring light]

it depends.

[still plover]

Can if you like, don't have to.

[uncut zenith]

You certainly can, but there are existing published settings that you can play in

[spring light]

i'd suggest starting with a pre-written adventure or campaign just to see how things work

[granite merlin]

quick question, not sure if it sthe right place to ask it but how exactly do i use the #looking-for-players thingy i dont know how to use monodrone or whatever it is the other DM's are using to post

in that channel

[jovial shadow]

You can only create the illusion of a single object, not several. And once someone touches it or accidentaly walks over it, it disappears anyway. Waste of a cantrip

[still plover]

If you do, don't think you have to detail every square inch. A planet is a big place! Start with where the adventures are, sketch the rest.

[hollow lance]

a stack of coins could easily be considered an object and the people only need to see it long enough for it to register, it'll just make chaos

[granite merlin]

Guys?

[spring light]

i think read the details in #find-a-game ?

[woeful glade]

Is cleric a good class for starting DnD?

[still plover]

Check #find-a-game for all the instructions.

[jovial shadow]

yes

[spring light]

you can't go wrong with any of the classes

[granite merlin]

oh my god im an idiot okay.

[woeful glade]

Ive heard Wizard is very hard

[hollow lance]

only class I'd say would be a struggle is sorcerer, but honestly whatever class reaches out to you is the best class for you

[spring light]

it's not.

[uncut zenith]

Wizard isn’t super difficult imo, but it definitely has a lot of options

So it’s harder on people who might have choice paralysis

[hollow lance]

I think wizard being called hard is just a biproduct of them being the smart class

[woeful glade]

I want one of those cool DnD names but i cant think of a cool one

[coarse ravine]

Yes its not for indecisive people

[spring light]

warlock, paladin, sorcerer, barbarian?

[hollow lance]

fantasynamegenerator if you're stuck

[coarse ravine]

Just give yourself a cool nickname

[spring light]

oh names, not class. :p

[woeful glade]

Im gonna be a Cleric so i thought like Walter the waykeeper or something

[spring light]

Walter the Cleric, that's amusing

[uncut zenith]

Same as druid imo. Any class that has a lot of choices and options is gonna be rough on people who benefit from a more straightforward playstyle

[woeful glade]

Whats amusing with dat

[hollow lance]

honestly I think the real struggle with learning druid is figuring out when to use spells as spells and when to use wild shape

[coarse ravine]

Walter the way keeping Warden.

[woeful glade]

Too long

[spring light]

it amuses me when people have very grounded "real world" names

[hollow stone]

call bro Walter The White lmao

[woeful glade]

Great idea

[spring light]

Like in my last campaign I had "Peter" and "James" and that amused me.

[woeful glade]

Maybe i dont stick with my real name…

[hollow lance]

in my current campaign there is a peter but thats because the character's full name is Peter Parker and my friend is literally playing spiderman

[hollow stone]

tbf Peter is a pretty historically happened name

[coarse ravine]

Im kind of indecisive thats why I dont like sorcerer. I like to be able to use different spells and say next day. "Welp that didn't work" then prepare differently next day.

[woeful glade]

Eddie the banished. A very original name which i did not steal from stranger things

[spring light]

It's 100% fair to lean on existing tropes.

But what if we take Eddie, and turn the ds around? make him Ebbie?

[coarse ravine]

Very very historical name

[hollow lance]

dont be afraid to lean into media you like, I'd say 98% of dnd characters are inspired by peoples favourite characters in some way

[spring light]

absolutely.

[woeful glade]

Using chat gpt rn to get a name

[hollow stone]

i've had a character who went by the alias of Rook, as their symbol on their map was the chess piece, but the actual namesake was for the bird as, like a bird, they just kinda wandered without much care for any given location

[spring light]

honestly a fair approach too

[hollow lance]

ewwwww use fantasynamegenerator

[spring light]

fantasy name generator is kind of dogwater

[woeful glade]

Hater

[hollow lance]

at least it isn't chatgpt

[woeful glade]

Whats wrong with gpt

[hollow stone]

at least in lore, out of character i named them for the Rainbow Operator, who was also called Rook

[spring light]

not the place for discussing that, easy guys.

[woeful glade]

Smooth operator~

[hollow lance]

have you been living under a rock with AI lately? I'm not gonna go into it for rules reasons but it's pretty obvious why people dont like it

[woeful glade]

Idc i do what i wanna do mind ur buisness

[spring light]

drop it guys, before mods have to get involved

[hollow stone]

it's more effective, electricity wise, to use the fantasy name thing than an AI. better for the environment

[coarse ravine]

I totally think someone could make a Johnny Cash druid

"Ring of fire"

[uncut zenith]

In fairness, you’re the one who asked what’s wrong with GPT, but as mentioned, this isn’t really the place to discuss it

[coarse ravine]

"Circle of wildfire"

[hollow stone]

anyhow, there's also a top 500 naming tech where you string together syllables at random until you invent a name you're fond of

[hollow lance]

I'm gonna be real the full extent of my knowledge on johnny cash is his nine inch nails cover

[hollow lance]

real I did that for my changeling wizard I'm playing

[coarse ravine]

I just heard the ring of fire sing on the radio just now. Thought of wildfire cirlce. "Circle/ring" same thing almost lol

[woeful glade]

Eldrin fireforge

Though it dosent really sound like a cleric

[spring light]

Eldrin can definitely be a cleric, why not?

[glossy narwhal]

Hello

[hollow stone]

i have a character with an alias whos real name is En'k'hamin, whos name i got by doing that

[hollow lance]

also what subclass are you

[woeful glade]

I dont have one

Dont u need to leven up to get one?

[hollow lance]

you pick at level 1 for cleric dont you?

[woeful glade]

You can?

[spring light]

2024, all subclasses at 3

[glossy narwhal]

Is it weird that I keep thinking of a really funny campaign my friends and i did a few years ago?

[keen kestrel]

In 2024, everyone gets theirs at level 3

[spring light]

are you in a campaign?

[woeful glade]

Never been

[hollow lance]

I mean it's best to think about it before you take it, it's super important to your character's identity

[spring light]

then make your character at any level you want!

[woeful glade]

I CAN DO THAT?!?!

[spring light]

some people like to "grow into it"

[spring light]

if you're doing an exercise for yourself, for fun, you can do anything.

[woeful glade]

So i can just have a maxed out cleric at the start?

[hollow lance]

fair but like esp with clerics and warlocks you really should rp around it from the start

[keen kestrel]

Well not in a campaign, more so to see what it looks like

[spring light]

you'll want to build a character who makes sense for the game you join, when you join a game. your DM will give you rules and guidelines then.

[woeful glade]

But in a real campain, can i start at lvl 3?

[spring light]

MANY games start at level 3

[woeful glade]

I wanna be a war cleric

[glossy narwhal]

What character do you play? I play a Bladesinger/artficer multiclass

[crimson gulch]

your dm will tell you what level to start at, 1 is typical

[keen kestrel]

Some do, some don’t

[hollow lance]

I'm actually about to join a game as a cleric that starts at level 3

[woeful glade]

Eldrin the unbroken maybe?

[keen kestrel]

Even if you start at level 1, you’ll likely only spend 2-3 sessions until you get to level 3

[glossy narwhal]

My character likes to set things on fire and blow stuff up. So it fits

[spring light]

Do you have a backstory for your character?

[woeful glade]

Not yet

[uncut zenith]

It’s pretty common to start at level 3 cuz levels 1 and 2 are generally “tutorial levels”. They’re mostly designed to give you a general idea as to what your character will mostly be doing, then by level 3 you start getting more options and customization.

[woeful glade]

But if im a war cleric can i cast fireball?

[hollow lance]

iirc its forge clerics that get it and they're not in 2024 yet

[spring light]

i don't think fireball is on the cleric spell list

[woeful glade]

Awwww

[glossy narwhal]

I thought Clerics were healers

[hollow lance]

wait no light domain clerics get it too

[spring light]

clerics do more than lay heals

[woeful glade]

I wanna blow stuff up like mr penguin

[hollow lance]

cleric subclasses really branch out from just that, I'm currently in a campaign with a tank cleric

[woeful glade]

Can someone dm me one of those dnd character papers?