dnd-discussion

[marble lion]

Teleport 30ft is super risky

[plucky flame]

mage hand would literally revolutionize the pharma and defence industry

[burnt valley]

Cleric 1/Chronurgy 19
Spare the Dying, Cure Wounds, Revivify(With Cartomancer), Fire Ball is pretty good

[remote wadi]

Not to mention the real fun would come from getting 3rd or 5th level spells

[lyric idol]

Yeah but I do like...Everything with advantage. I'm just good at doing things I have no business being good at.

[marble lion]

Depends on the disease, but seeing spare the dying completely stabilises sick poisoned and bled out people, i think youre being needlessly contrarian

[severe rampart]

Cleric is genuinely the best

[vapid sluice]

Hilarious

[delicate owl]

Accurate weather prediction, immediately flowering or growing of a plant, a sensory effect which could help many a person in many ways depending on their age and illness, and being able to light or snuff out a torch or campfire?

I think it's prety useful.

[serene jolt]

I'd want mending or prestidigitation IRL personally.

[plucky flame]

fr

[severe rampart]

you could either start a cult or be the best doctor in the world

[burnt valley]

Mending would save a lot of money on phone repairs

[serene jolt]

Either no worries about cleaning ever again or paying to get anything fixed ever again.

In fact, you'd be the fixer person.

[plucky flame]

what about thaumaturgy guys?

[severe rampart]

I'd also want Create Food and Water

[halcyon forum]

the 2024 wild magic table is very safe for the sorcerer and their party members. the chance of bad effects is very small and non of them are as deadly as the worst effects from the 2014 table

[delicate owl]

I don't think so? It stabliizes them until they take damage again.. If you've ever had a terminal illness, you degrade constantly. Don't accuse me of being a contrarion because I just don't agree with your take. Thanks.

[lyric idol]

Bingo

[serene jolt]

Thaumaturgy would be great for self defense. Someone following you in the dark? Thaumaturgy, make the ground shake, your eyes glow, and a booming voice just simply say "Try it."

[burnt valley]

Make michelin star level food with a wave of your hands is peak

[serene jolt]

Adv on intimidation in the real life equivalent would be cool

[severe rampart]

Genuinely if you're a cleric you'd have like UNLIMITED free time, a single phone repair or creating food isn't that bad if you get paid for it

[marble lion]

I said depends

[delicate owl]

Thaumaturgy is pretty interesting in terms of being cool, but that's it

[remote wadi]

Revivify means anyone dead within a minute gets to have a second chance at life
Create food and water means that you will never have to worry about grocery budgeting (and modern science like preservation means that you can create bland, but infinite means of stockpiling canned goods)

[plucky flame]

adv on charisma would be better

the best leaders are always the most charismatic

[serene jolt]

But that would be an op cantrip

[lethal raft]

I mean it is useful but of the cantrips like it it is the weakest one other then bloom effect all it's other effects are done better by other cantrips or with the weather sensor not all that needed

[marble lion]

You cant save all lives so better take druidcraft is hilarious

[lyric idol]

Wild magic sorcerer has advantage on it all.

[delicate owl]

What bloom effect is represented in other cantrips? I'm curious cause I must have missed t he "I can cast a spell and immediately start the growing process of any plant I target" in another cantrip.

[lyric idol]

The REAL question, is if you got one feat, any type except epic boons, what would you take?

[serene jolt]

At the risk of turning into a plant

[remote wadi]

Not to mention 5th level spells especially. Raise Dead meaning anyone dead within a week gets revived back to life assuming you have the money to do so

[lyric idol]

For 6 seconds

[lethal raft]

I said other then the bloom effect

[burnt valley]

True, also getting paid to cure the usually uncurable conditions/diseases with Greater or Lesser Restoration

[delicate owl]

Well then you're ignoring th emost useful effect that would be wonders for the farming industry.

[burnt valley]

Get paid by Farmers to cast Plant Growth to boost crop production

[lyric idol]

It'd be fun to be a UFC fighter as a battlemaster fighter. Tripping attack spam till it works

[delicate owl]

Prestidigitation is just the best option though. Makes all foods taste good, make your favorite noise and smell, light or snuff out a small fire, clean your clothes almost immediately by stacking it up in a cubic foot, draw little pictures and symbols, and make any old trinket immediately for use which could possibly just be any small tool you need for 6 seconds.

[serene jolt]

Has anyone here played Arch Fey Warlock before?

[remote wadi]

Lucky, perhaps. Game Tournaments would be something to behold. And lottery goes from "tax on the poor and those who suck at math" to a get rich quick scheme that actually works

Or even better, you can get so many rare items in CounterStrike or TF2, then sell them off for some great money

[burnt valley]

Boon of Fluid Forms (Gain any skill you want or needed for one hour) wait ignore this

[serene jolt]

Not to mention you can clean anything and everything with a snap of your fingers. Dirty dishes? Not anymore!

[scenic zinc]

If I could cast prestidigitation irl I would be so happy.

[worldly flare]

Yeah Prestidigitation is the GOAT

[scenic zinc]

I hate cleaning.

[serene jolt]

Same...

[delicate owl]

Prestidigitation is just the life convenience spell that would make everyone take far less time on the daily to do menial stuff

[still plover]

Ticks a box on the bingo card.

[severe rampart]

what'd you tick off

[burnt valley]

Lucky or Skilled

[lethal raft]

then you have the loons who want create bonfire lol

[scenic zinc]

Alignment

Uhhhh... what else...

[still plover]

Presti would revolutionise medieval life.

[remote wadi]

Mmm, probably not the best spell to take as is

But great when paired with other QoL spells

[scenic zinc]

I thought you were going with "common conversations in this channel"

[severe rampart]

oddly specific but glad you ticked that off early

[still plover]

The bingo card is all about the recurring topics.

[serene jolt]

Now what would be your once per long rest 1st level spell of choice in real life?

[delicate owl]

We were talking about only cantrips.

[scenic zinc]

Ha I was right.

[delicate owl]

In terms of all spells, unseen servant being a magical force entity that hels with everythign you need seems like a good one.

[burnt valley]

Unseen Servant

[lyric idol]

QoL spells? No I'm taking haste. And I'm casting it on that annoying mf at work and instantly dropping it.

[serene jolt]

Cure Wounds wouldn't be a bad option

[remote wadi]

But yeah. If there was a tier list for Classes and sub equivalents, Life Domain Cleric is an easy S Tier. You literally become a medic, physician, and smaller other conveniences all in 1 with 3 levels, then become someone who can literally control who lives and dies at a basic degree at level 9

[scenic zinc]

Once per lr? Gotta look up the long lasting duration ones

[lyric idol]

Just go artificer and make a homunculus.

And make magic items too

[burnt valley]

Oh yeah that works too

[worldly flare]

Mage Armor is eight hours

[serene jolt]

Ooh actually scratch that, Find Familiar

[lethal raft]

a cantrip people don't think about enough Resistance redusing damage by a d4 in real life would be wild level of protection

[remote wadi]

Mending, Spare the Dying, Toll the Dead, and Presdigitation if i could choose a fourth

[vapid sluice]

I would definitely take prestidigitation for not having to clean. Instant cleanliness is such a win

[burnt valley]

Peak

[serene jolt]

I want an animal I can telepathically speak to.

[worldly flare]

Purify food and drink would be nice for charity

[scenic zinc]

Eh. Not really super important to me. Just not talking smack generally prevents most fights

[lyric idol]

I'd take summon major elemental. Having a giant elemental to take care of stuff with sounds fun.

[plucky flame]

it would be nice for us in general

[scenic zinc]

Comprehend Languages would be cool

[burnt valley]

I would want Nystul's Magic Aura and Planar Binding in real life

[worldly flare]

Fair enough. That was just the first long lasting 1st level spell I could think of.

[remote wadi]

Would pair well with prestigitation for flavor

And like I said, we could use modern preserving methods to make the shelf life many years

[lyric idol]

I'd take Banishment. Yknow....to send people to other planes of existence for a short while.

[vapid sluice]

Minor illusion just to mess with people for fun

[burnt valley]

Tenser's Floating Disc could be handy too

[lyric idol]

Oooo Domain of Trickery cleric. More me per me.

[remote wadi]

Only problem, idk if it works on people online

Otherwise, that would be a great option

[burnt valley]

or make completely accurate maps of any place on Earth

[delicate owl]

Toll the dead is one that makes me think you wanna hurt people, mending is situationally useful rather than universally, and spare the dying would only help in situations where they weren't going to just keep dying after you stabliize them. Irl isn't in game, we're villagers not player characters, cancer, disease, etc will still kill us even when stabilized.

[lethal raft]

purify food and drink removes poison and rot food never goes bad again

[scenic zinc]

Unseen servant I think wins this one as well, for reasons similar to prestidigitation. Aka, I'm lazy.

[burnt valley]

Charm Person for de-escalation

[remote wadi]

More for self defense, if anything. It was a choice between it and sacred flame, the people I would need it for would likely have Dex more than Wisdom

[scenic zinc]

That doesn't deescalate anything

[lyric idol]

They could take toll of the dead and become a vigilante ig. I'd rather take sleep or something if I were to go that route tho. Batman it with the no killing thing.

[scenic zinc]

That would make everything worse

[burnt valley]

How

[delicate owl]

Now calm emotions? That'd work.

[severe rampart]

you'd definitely need defensive spells, you'd be a high target if you had those overpowered abilities irl

[scenic zinc]

When the spell ends they know you did it.

[burnt valley]

Oh forgot that exists

[delicate owl]

When the spell ends, the target knows it was Charmed by you.

I guess it'd be good for like... hostage situations? Or criminals in general?

[lyric idol]

I cast charmed again. Over and over and over. So they can know theyre charmed, they just cant do anything about it.

[delicate owl]

WE're talking 1/day use

[remote wadi]

Exactly. Or you could at the very least scare someone straight. You're telling me someone wouldn't want to have something that turns someone messing with you or someone you care about into someone rethinking their life decisions?

[burnt valley]

Only if they're showing it off willy nilly

[severe rampart]

how are you gonna earn a living, word spreads fast

[lyric idol]

THATS why I'd want banishment.

[remote wadi]

I wouldn't really be a high priority target that much, as I would mostly focus on using my spells for good. Helping the people that need help the most

But unfortunately, healing isn't as helpful if you can't stop the harming. Thus, self defense cantrip

[severe rampart]

Woah woah woah

[scenic zinc]

Look at history. It's full of good people being targeted.

[lyric idol]

This is America. They dont care how you use it. Theyd just want you to use it for them.

[severe rampart]

I dont think you should be sending people to different planes of existence just for trying to mug you 😭

[lyric idol]

Its literally a scare tactic spell

[remote wadi]

But honestly, I would only want banishment if it worked over people you can at least hear

One good reason: scam calls

[viral kraken]

it's just a harmless demiplane

[lethal raft]

command would be helpful

[severe rampart]

Command IRL would be overpowered, just say "Die" or "Flee"

I'm pretty sure you'd be allowed to say die, given it's real life and there's no DM

[scenic zinc]

Die wouldn't work.

[viral kraken]

they won't do anything that would harm themselves

[remote wadi]

It would be very hard to leverage someone using spells for good. Not impossible, just harder

Besides, if I am in a rough spot, I can make a friend who focuses more on utility and control spells like a Wizard

[scenic zinc]

That's why grovel doesn't work on flying enemies

[lethal raft]

new command doesn't allow making up extra words it is a set list

[severe rampart]

So if I say... "Recede" while we're on top of a very tall building?

[lyric viper]

Funnily 'Die' did work in 1e but they'd dramatically act dead for one turn before realising 'Hey hang on, I'm not actually dead!'

[lyric idol]

If I were to make a vigilante build, I'd probably do...Summon Major elemental, sleep, shield, misty step, hypnotic pattern, arcane lock, and mage armor.

[severe rampart]

Really? man

[remote wadi]

Ooh, that's a good point

The only problem is that command won't always work. And if someone were to try and seriously hurt you, I would rather save my words for someone who can be talked out of things

[viral kraken]

if they understood the command they would likely understand the harm doing so would cause

[lyric idol]

Maybe swap Summon Major Elemental with Summon Fey

[severe rampart]

Depends what level of cleric you are, imo

[lethal raft]

command does not say anything about them not harming them selves or that they need to understand you

[remote wadi]

For my ideal irl Cleric, at least 3 levels. 5 would be pog

[lyric idol]

Just take sleep. If someone is seriously out to get you, a little nap never hurt nobody.

[severe rampart]

ah then yeah, save your words for later

[viral kraken]

2014 does, and 2024 does not allow arbitrary words, so we are talking about 14 version

[severe rampart]

also, I'd probably buy a self-defense gun, for when I run out of spell slots

[viral kraken]

out of spell, not out of shells

[lethal raft]

yeah command got both a nerf and a buff with the new rules

[scenic zinc]

Eh. It did in '14

[empty thicket]

always carry a shortsword is good too, its a general good weapon and versatile

[lyric idol]

Out of slots, but never outta options.

[knotty pasture]

Sleep is a lot weaker irl than it should be, every turn is 6 secs irl so Sleep only puts someone on a nap for like 12 seconds, 1 min tops

[severe rampart]

"We're all men here are we not? let's settle this the old fashioned way"

[lethal raft]

because I mean now you can order anything and as long as it fails the save it will do the effect but it is limited to 5 set words

[remote wadi]

But if such a thing existed irl, I would happily designate myself as the medic, physician, whatever you want to call me

As with medics in game, the only request is that we would watch each other's backs

[remote wadi]

Wouldn't it be 60?

[severe rampart]

Still wouldn't want to lack defensive spells, people would likely still try to exploit your powers for their own benefits

[knotty pasture]

Oh wait nvm you do stay unconscious for the whole duration on two failed saves, nvm

A full minute is pretty handy, hmm

[remote wadi]

Yeah, a lot can happen in a minute

[remote wadi]

That's why I'm picking Toll The Dead as a Cantrip, Guiding Bolt as a level 1 spell

[severe rampart]

and of course, a handgun for self defense

[lyric idol]

Oh yeah I'd be armed to the teeth. Shield, misty step, mage armor, lightning bolt, frostbolt, etc.

[remote wadi]

Ah, yes. The poor man's Eldritch Blast

Unfortunately, I'm currently too poor for such a purchase

[viral kraken]

i think sanctuary would be funny for a defensive spell irl, i wonder what it would be like from the other side? like why can't they attack me?

[lyric idol]

If you want a defensive spell no reason to not take cloud of daggers. 2024 lets ya move it around. If controlling a cloud of flying daggers doesnt put the fear of magic into your enemy, idk what will.

[remote wadi]

Come to think of it

If Palaldin, Ranger, and Wizard are the in game best trio of classes? (Or close to it)

What would the best irl trio be?

[lyric idol]

Cleric wizard rogue

[lethal raft]

give me artificer easy to hide your magic as just weird science inventions

[remote wadi]

And we are just going for day to day life. If we really wanted to push it, simultaneously preparing for bad scenarios: from getting jumped to maybe taking shelter for a while

[severe rampart]

the moment you invent an innovative machine, you get taken out swiftly by the government

[viral kraken]

clever

[lethal raft]

lol and there is the duality of people

[severe rampart]

Big oil companies don't like what you're doing

[remote wadi]

Unfortunately so. I sometimes think about what crazy inve-

Hold up, wait a minute

[viral kraken]

thought they got you mid sentence for a moment

[lyric idol]

Itll be work for the CIA or KIA.

If ya get my drift.

[remote wadi]

Dang it, Speak with Dead needs a corpse

[severe rampart]

That still doesn't gurantee your safety my man

[lyric idol]

Ya know what does? Simulacrum.

[lethal raft]

just make all your inventions spew smoke from a gas engine you will be fine lol

[remote wadi]

I was about to say "what crazy inventions we would have had they (presumably) not been shut down
Randomly thought of Speak with Dead to talk to those people in the past, but you need a corpse to do so

Wonder if Locate Object could find a person's skeleton if you saw a picture of them when they were alive...

[severe rampart]

I mean, did you see their entire skeleton first?

[lethal raft]

if speak with dead became real I think freezing bodies would become way more common

[burnt valley]

Cleric, Wizard, Ranger

[lethal raft]

keep things as a corpse as long as possible for questioning

[lyric idol]

Heres the issue with disguising your magic as an invention. A buncha scientists will look at the invention and come to the realization that your invention breaks a fundamental rule of physica or science or relativity and youll get caught redhanded.

[burnt valley]

There are no DM limitations irl so you could probably keep making one over and over again

[remote wadi]

I wonder if I could cast silence in the living room whenever my older brother is playing online...

[burnt valley]

would Gate be useful irl?

[lethal raft]

true but would be okay for a bit

[remote wadi]

Guy never shuts up. Talks about all of the touchy and annoying topics, then wonders why he's single and I'm in a relationship (currently LDR a few US states away)

[marble lion]

#dnd-lore

[remote wadi]

That's just Portal Gun from Rick and Morty, but also P2W

[burnt valley]

Geas

[lethal raft]

Transport via Plants is always my I want that spell in real life spell

[remote wadi]

?

[umbral girder]

How often do you plan to travel the multiverse in a day to day basis?

[burnt valley]

I meant the message before that

[remote wadi]

What's Geas?

[lethal raft]

the ability to walk into the tree in my front yard and go to any other tree I have ever seen or touched yes please

[umbral girder]

Geas is a spell

[burnt valley]

Once per year? Maybe as a vacation

[umbral girder]

Geas makes a deal with someone, if they break that deal in a month’s time they take a big bucket of psychic damage

It’s an Enchantment spell I believe.

[remote wadi]

...wouldn't that just be the s word for control with harsher consequences?

[umbral girder]

Less of a “I am controlling you mentally” and more “I put a bomb on you. Do what I say”

[lethal raft]

now if you want to cheat at only 1 spell per day just take wish you now can cast any 8th or lower spell you want

[remote wadi]

Let's just say similar to Slavic

[umbral girder]

Like that one DC super villain team

[remote wadi]

Also, I genuinely think that for a level 9 spell

True Resurrection would be a very useful spell

[umbral girder]

It’s kinda like a contract spell, takes 1 minute to cast as well

[burnt valley]

P2W

[remote wadi]

I mean, all you would really need is for someone else to provide the money needed to do so, and you can basically Resurrection anyone. If you reslly wanted to milk it for all it's worth, destroy the previous body, and the new one will be basically perfect

[burnt valley]

Wait, you could just ask for a loan from the bank

[umbral girder]

25,000 gold pieces

Gold to dollar ratio is a bit expensive

[remote wadi]

Just do a GoFundMe to make a donation to the family. Then give them the gift money can't buy (it can now)

[umbral girder]

In fact it’s 500lbs worth of Gold

[lethal raft]

unless you are bringing back people from more then a century ago plain old Resurrection will cover you for most things you would want to bring back to life

[umbral girder]

It’s (at minimum) 16,500,000 per True ressurection

[remote wadi]

I don't want to mention irl things too much, but just think about how many recent games and movies have a budget so high, you ave to genuinely try to convince yourself it wasn't just money laundering

[umbral girder]

Notably it’s with Diamonds too

[burnt valley]

Damn, i guess Wish still wins lol

[umbral girder]

The world does not have a lot of diamonds too.

Also Resurrection magic fails if it was natural causes

Or if the soul refuses and it’s all the components down the drain

[remote wadi]

I'm just saying, reviving someone from up to 200 years back AND being in perfect condition? You could basically name your price and someone out there will make it happen

Heck, you could do the funny and try to tip culture bull crap your way into riches

[marble lion]

Im pretty sure there are a lot of diamonds

[lethal raft]

still wish and use it to cast 7th level resurrection free is way esier

[umbral girder]

Yeah and that’s free

[remote wadi]

"Buy a True Resurrection now and we'll throw in a Death Warding and Mage Armor for free!"

[burnt valley]

I wonder though, can you use Creation and Fabricate to spawn more gold

[lethal raft]

a century is still a good amount of time and unless they were cremaited or died of old age you are fine

[knotty pasture]

You don't even need that, there's tech that allows a Transmutation Wizard to generate infinite gold

[remote wadi]

There's one problem with wish

6 words: 33 percent chance of magical neutering

[lethal raft]

not when using it to casts 8th lvl spells and lower

[umbral girder]

Creation cannot be used for components.
Also the metals made by it last 1 hour. Gems last 10 minutes.

[umbral girder]

Not when recreating a spell (unless 9th level spell)

[remote wadi]

Ehhh, either way, Wish is rightfully banned from picking spells to use IRL

[lethal raft]

lol

[remote wadi]

It's for good reason

[burnt valley]

Nyet, only when you use it to not replicate spells of 8th level or lower

[remote wadi]

Either way, we are just banning Wish because then it would break the meta

Clerics at least likely need support from Wizards and other classes

[severe rampart]

if I had one singular wish, I'd know what I wish for

[lethal raft]

wish is just having whatever spell you need from 8th and lower on hand

[umbral girder]

Fun fact Clerics get to cast Wish without a spell slot in 2024

[umbral girder]

2 bagels

[remote wadi]

Come to think of it, funny thought I heard the other day
"Life went from a passionate survival MMORPG to a game flooded with microtransactions that constantly screws over most of the dedicated fanbase"

[burnt valley]

I wish for one extra electron on every atom in the universe

[umbral girder]

Likely fails

Lady of Pain FNAF jumpscares anyone who tries that big of a Wish

[severe rampart]

no, no... Three Bagels

[lyric viper]

The Perfect Sandwich

[umbral girder]

This is greed we are warned about by our priests /jk

[remote wadi]

Or funny monkey paw: gives you the ego thinking you are the universe, then adds an electron in every atom in your own body

[burnt valley]

It isn't gonna affect nor threaten Sigil so its fine

[severe rampart]

The perfect sandwich being a bagel between two bagels

[umbral girder]

She can do it even if does not effect her or Sigil

[burnt valley]

I wish for all bread in the planet to be teleported to a random location constantly for three days straight

[remote wadi]

Already thinking of mine. Ultimate Italian Sandwich from Jimmy John's

[lethal raft]

doesn't even need lady of pain if you wish would undo the multiverse itself it fails

[viral kraken]

seagulls are the winner here

[lethal raft]

adding an election would destroy the multiverse so instant fails

[umbral girder]

Yeah that activated the Lady of Pain jumpscare

[remote wadi]

But seriously. Resurrection would be so useful irl

Think of the people that everyone enjoyed when they were alive. They're back with the same personality and perfect bodies

[burnt valley]

Would it? I did specify just one universe

[lethal raft]

plus would threathen the city of sigil and affect the lady of pain so all 3 fail condtions met with that wish

[umbral girder]

She is the one who stops the wish from working

[umbral girder]

Domino effect, if hurts the material plane which ripples to all planes

It’s a giant plate and that’s a breaking a big part in it’s middle

[lethal raft]

if we go dnd goes so it would

[remote wadi]

Easy picks for Resurrection before I sleep
Robert Williams, Billy Kametz, Satoru Iwata

Those 3 would be the top 3 that I would want to resurrect first

[umbral girder]

Eh

[burnt valley]

Oh the whole "world is flat" thing in lore

[umbral girder]

I’d rather do things that don’t collapse the economy

[remote wadi]

Okay, they're not the biggest people in the world, but they matter/ed to me a lot

[remote wadi]

Regular Resurrection

[umbral girder]

Still expensive

[remote wadi]

So just a single diamond worth 1000gp

[severe rampart]

Create Food and Water

[umbral girder]

I’d like Regenerate

Regenerate is free and does a lot of healing and fixes lost limbs

[remote wadi]

It would be great, but you gotta realize death is not something we can come back from

[umbral girder]

And?

[remote wadi]

If you're telling me that you wouldn't want to trade an expensive diamond for someone you care deeply about, then that would be... interesting to talk about

[umbral girder]

That’s the same in DnD.

[remote wadi]

We can resurrect someone in DnD

[umbral girder]

Like a lot of deaths cannot be resurrected from

If you die from an Illness for example.

Since that’s a natural cause

[severe rampart]

what if you kill people before the disease kills them.

[remote wadi]

That wouldn't apply

[umbral girder]

Comes back to go back down in 5 minutes

[remote wadi]

Remember, the only requirements for resurrection are "needs to have died in the last century from a cause other than old age"

[umbral girder]

Yeah dying old age is just health complications

Because the body can’t keep up

[remote wadi]

Well, yeah

[umbral girder]

After all “Old Age” for the longest time was 40-50

[remote wadi]

I really doubt that

Besides, forget back then

Right now, you could resurrect someone from the past century. Cast a restoration or 2 before the big spell and then boom. Back in perfect health

And idk about you, but I don't need to be an adventurer outside of knowing other magic casters. And that means I can go back to enjoying the things I love in life

Like Nintendo going back to being a genuine company that was the textbook example of "made by gamers for gamers"

[near brook]

Yooooo I didn‘t know there are DMs charging money, that‘s interesting

That‘s a business model I certainly haven‘t heard of before 😂

[lyric viper]

Paid DMing goes back a while- if someone is willing to do a service you and your friends aren't, and going through time and effort for it, then someone's probably happy enough to pay for that service. If they weren't, there wouldn't be.

Although I still feel as part of the same culture, it'd be nice if folk weren't so deterred from DMing. DMing has been put on a bit of a pedastal and made to feel 'more' than a player, putting players off even trying it.

But then again- some folk just really don't like DMing, even if they can.

[remote wadi]

I think I would probably work best as a co DM

Or at least, an intermediary between the 2. Like, I would help the DM prep for a few things and I would help the players manage a few things from a distance

[tender schooner]

hi

[glossy otter]

honestly I do wish more would become dms, but I suppose that's to help the DM vs Player ratio

[hot gate]

Yeah. I think there are a lot of great DM guides out there now that help in taking away the feeling that you need to have been a player to DM (you don't) or that you need to be super good at doing voices (you dont) or you need to do huge amounts of prep (you don't).

[severe rampart]

I wouldn't mind being a DM, personally, but I do get why most people wouldn't want to be one

[marble lion]

Having been a player once is not very high a hurdle i think but yeah not necessary

[glossy otter]

honestly, I learned dnd much faster as a dm than I did as a player

stat blocks weirdly enough made it easier to understand a character sheet

[marble lion]

Having played once made dming easier

But dming made playing WAY easier

I think going into dming without any player experience isnt optimal though

for two reasons, not just to help you understand rolls

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah, and it kinda tragic

[still plover]

Fighting Fantasy. Choose your own adventure books. Get the idea of roleplaying for starters.

[marble lion]

the more important reason, and one hard to copy without having been a player, is the insight into how a player experiences the world

weve all been there i think
the dm puts a door or riddle somewhere, or an enemy that is too strong to fight

but you dont actually know whats going on. you can only guess at what the dm intends

because dnd isnt reality. you cant use your reality knowledge to judge what is what. its up to the DMs internal logic

this leads to tons of messy situations and is why i think most things, especially puzzle clues, need to be way more obvious than the DM might think to himself

experiencing a world only through the words of 1 person is very very difficult and not something many people can imagine without having gone through it

[still plover]

No argument here!

[marble lion]

its an interesting lesson that isnt as on the nose as the number stuff

[stoic obsidian]

Tho tbh their will always be more players than dm tbh, and some new players probably think it better to play a player first, and

[marble lion]

i remember when i put a door with frozen ice blocking it and put pickaxes next to it

the players proceeded to try and break open a door in the other room that wasnt openable for half an hour

i was new and clumpsy and had no idea how to communicate my idea of pickaxing the ice away

[still plover]

Barbarian picks up axe.

"Time for Ragnar to pick a lock!"

[glossy otter]

tbh I feel there should be more to help drop that notion, but I know it's difficult

[still plover]

A story I've heard, Legend of the Five Rings, a demon magically seals a door and starts some chaos.

While the brave samurai outside battered futility at the door, one of them stepped aside and chopped an opening in the (paper) wall.

[indigo cedar]

I had a GM once who presented us with a door who had the sign. to go through this door simply wish to do so.

4 out 5 players went through doing this until the paladin went "wait a minutyer, and tried to open the door, he was quite happy with the wish he got lol

[stoic obsidian]

It was a wishing door wasn’t it

[indigo cedar]

one could call it that yes... that was how we learnt about wish forthe first time back in 3.5

[heavy zealot]

Chat guess what? I just got the new 2024 monster Manuel today. Complete my set of the new books

[stoic obsidian]

Now get heroes of fae rune and forge of the artificer

[heavy zealot]

Oof so many books. Ok ok I'll do it when I finish my spelljammer campaign

[still plover]

What monster are you excited about using next?

[heavy zealot]

Was looking at the dracolich. Never done one of those before.

It changed a lot of stuff since I last looked at the 2014 version

Don't know if the Colossus is new or not but I thought that was dope too

[crimson gulch]

It's new to 5e but has existed sinxe 1e adnd

[austere spindle]

I'm only using dnd beyond

It makes things look easy

[stoic obsidian]

Actually is artificer consider a half caster or a caster?

[eager marsh]

It’s a half caster. Because it has 1/2 progression casting

[fiery nimbus]

They got kicked out of magic school so they build a bomb

as normal well adjusted class does

[keen valve]

I am ever so closer towards the idea of having a person succeed too much on a roll. I just don't know when to account for it. Cause obviously I could do it to where a person succeeds in a bad way on a normal fail, but how would I dictate that happening instead of them failing normally.

I.e. restraining a person, failing, but breaking their arm instead of losing grip or something.

Like should it be a "successful" fail in the sense that it's further away from the dc, thus more catastrophic as indicated by the lower number? A fail fail if it's closer to the dc? Or the reverse?

[fickle shuttle]

Hey

[crimson gulch]

Don't do this

[fair summit]

Probably not really a good idea. It's like hitting allies on a critical fai lwith attacks, where it's gonna be weird to get worse at something when you should be getting better

[crimson gulch]

Rolling higher is better in dnd that's a core part of the system

[keen valve]

This has nothing to do with attacks, myb. I should have clarified.

[fair summit]

It was just a comparison for a common bad rule, since at higher levels whewre youre meant to be getting better and gain more attacks, you have bigger odds of attacking friends

[keen valve]

I might try homebrewing a custom system then. It's one of those things that I feel like D&D indulges too much into.

[fair summit]

You could have something like using it in specific situations which require extra care, but as a constant rule its gonna be a terrible idea

[keen valve]

Or catastrophic 1, that's a thing isn't it? Critical fails.

[crimson gulch]

Not raw

And it's bad to make that a thing too

[keen valve]

I mean is it? It's a 1 in 20 just like every other roll.

[crimson gulch]

Nat 1 auto fails on attack rolls and that's enough

[idle oar]

Critical fails are not an official rule (or even an official optional rule).
They are purely homebrew.

[crimson gulch]

And death saves

[idle oar]

Natural 1s have enough of a consequence as it is as others have noted.

[keen valve]

I suppose failing is just enough, it just feels like there could be more. Like it could be less forgiving, but maybe that's an aspect of DMing as opposed to the actual mechanics of the die.

[crimson gulch]

If you want to run a less forgiving game you don't alter core mechanics you just run more encounters in a day, resting to freely is what tanks the challenge

[keen valve]

I don't do encounters per se, but I get you.

[crimson gulch]

What?

[keen valve]

It's not a conversation worth having, trust me. I'm just supremely pedantic.

[stoic obsidian]

Welp guess I be busting out an battle smith artificer with a greatsword

[eager marsh]

You will still need 13 strength to use heavy weapons mind you

[stoic obsidian]

I plan on getting heavy armor anyway

[keen valve]

I think I still will, because I'm an anarchist in regards to 5e RAW, but it'll take some time to adjust and see how things work out. Might start out lite, and add things overtime.

[crimson gulch]

I'm a raw purist, 5e works best RAW in my experience

[keen valve]

Do you like a1 sauce on your 5e?

[wintry spindle]

The biggest problem I face is when rules are only treated as guidelines and then it creates less of a fair playing field

[crimson gulch]

I don't change any core rules of the game when I run my games, I weave intricate plots and make some bespoke monsters and challenges

[keen valve]

Tbf, from what I've read in the DMG, there's quite a few bits that are in fact just guidelines.
(Note, this is in reference to 2014, I have not read 2024 because I could not be bothered to yet.)

[crimson gulch]

I do this as a full time job, I run games just about every day, 9 separate campaigns these days

[cursive fjord]

Hey guys, im having an issue with my DM and we are trying to find some common ground: I've posted this a few times and still looking to get more feedback.
So im having an issue with my DM for D&D and want to get some advice, I am playing as an Apothicary and we are in the Drakkenheim setting. I am a prepared caster, but my DM wants to to discover the Drakkenheim setting spells specifically though they are automatically granted with my class. I fell like this is just a nerf to my class individualism, Im trying to find a compromise, any ideas?

[crimson gulch]

The core rules are super solid if you actually use them, ans the 2024 dmg is a huge improvement over the 2014 one

[wintry spindle]

Yes some are guidelines but it's important there is an agreement on how things are enforced. Or else some players get special treatment because the guidelines are bend to their will

[keen valve]

Oh I get what you mean now, I think.

[wintry spindle]

It's like when the RP players want to bend the rules to much because it's more fun for them, but then the mechanics get broken

[keen valve]

Even considering that, 5e is just bad for SOLE RP, you're better off using GURPS or something else.

[crimson gulch]

If you can't convince your dm we sure can't, vote with your feet and leave the table If you can't tolerate the game

[hidden spindle]

What did you have in mind? If its a compromise, you must suggest something if you feel it's a "nerf."

[wintry spindle]

Whats an Apotichary class?

[hidden spindle]

Gently remind them they only have an action, among other things every 6 seconds.

[cursive fjord]

Well more of ideas for a compromise, I understand where they are coming from and wanting the discovery of the new spells. Im just trying to come up with ideas.

[wintry spindle]

It mostly comes up how they want to do skill checks or use spells

[cursive fjord]

Mad Scientist (Almost like a Warlock and Artificer had a love child)

[wintry spindle]

Is it a homebrew class?

[cursive fjord]

Yes from the Drakkenheim setting specifically

[stoic obsidian]

Probably homebrew

[hidden spindle]

Its a give and take, or simply walk away.

[wintry spindle]

Ah ok. Do other players get different treatment how they get their abilitees?

[cursive fjord]

They dont have acess to any of the setting specific spells and must find them as well. But my class is FROM THE SETTING BOOK ITSELF, and is a lot of the core identity of the class

[wintry spindle]

By the book would you just get the spells?

[cursive fjord]

Yes.

[hidden spindle]

What ideas have you liked so far?

[crimson gulch]

Sounds like he should have just said you can't play the class at all but did not feel confident in saying that.

So he's taking the weird way about it by nerfing your access to the spells

[wintry spindle]

When I think you should have a talk about it with your DM that you feel it's not something you are enjoying. Worst case change class

[crimson gulch]

That's like saying "oh your playing artificer, no worries but you can't use replicate Magic item"

[wintry spindle]

My DM was once afraid of stunning strike and thought about introducing a different mechanic to it. I then said then I don't wanna play a Monk

[cursive fjord]

1 - My guy is a doctor and has these theories (the spells) and has to work to make them happen
2- I can stil cast the spells but maybe have a narritive cost or some sort of risk

[hidden spindle]

More like, you must discover each plan before you can use it

[wintry spindle]

Is the reason for the DM the limit because it's more fun or to limit you?

[cursive fjord]

For example I just unlocked a spell that cures exhaustion but one of the main other character has made this a real big story beat for another character, so out of respect for that person, I wouldn't take this spell because they have a bigger story to tell with it.

[wintry spindle]

a spell that cures exhaustion?

[cursive fjord]

Lets just call it that because its a whole thing to explain

[wintry spindle]

Well what did your DM say last time you adressed you feeling limited?

[cursive fjord]

Well he brought this up and I said would you be willing to find a compromise and he said yes, I havent heard anything back from him in a few days. I have also only played one session with this group so far

[wintry spindle]

well when is your next session?

[cursive fjord]

Tuesday

[wintry spindle]

Just write them "hey, could we talk about that ability thing we wanted to find a compromise for"

they could be busy

[cursive fjord]

I did, they just havent responded in a few days so im trying to come up with some ideas before that conversation

[wintry spindle]

I think you just need to wait then

[cursive fjord]

Well now I at least have 2 ideas off rip, i would like to come up with a 3rd one before sitting down

[loud tendon]

So, while I can see while this would feel kinda crappy (its in the book so should easily come to you).. but there are other cases with similar (optional) story blocks like Dunemancy and Chronurgy from Matt Mercers content wherein the character had to learn from a master to unlock some of the spells.

Maybe your compromise could be finding a mentor who can help "develope" these new magics.

Drak does say its become a very secretive practice since the Amethyst Academy doesn't like it being taught outside their school.

Maybe you stumble across a teacher from there whose methods were deemed "too unorthodox"

[hidden spindle]

What are the two ideas?

[cursive fjord]

See that I wouldn't mind having a story tied to it at all, that not the issue, for example when I level up, spells are automatically granted to me, thus those would have no story attached to them.

I also see where the dm is coming from with all of this being this interesting setting and having to learn into these types of spells. I just feel like if you take for example the Chronomacy Wizard, and say, you cant take Chronomancy spells on a level up, and have to find them in the world first.

[cursive fjord]

1 - My guy is a doctor and has these theories (the spells) and has to work to make them happen
2- I can stil cast the spells but maybe have a narritive cost or some sort of risk

[hidden spindle]

I'm not familiar with Apothecary but what's its Spellcasting Ability?

[cursive fjord]

Intelligence

[hidden spindle]

What if finding the setting specific Spells are always-prepared? And not count against your prepared Spells? That might be like your 2.

[cursive fjord]

Thats already how it is from the subclass granted spells

[hidden spindle]

It seems to be a narrative reasoning to "finding" the Spells.

Honestly, it sounds like the DM is using a variant rule where you should be finding a narrative reason to find the Spell before you level up.

[marble lion]

What if he just flavours your spells gotten as found though

I mean honestly.... just say that

Now it has story without being nerfed

[cursive fjord]

dpdlls?

[marble lion]

I flavour my players features as earnt whenever i can because it just feels way cooler than suddenly waking up with more stuff

[hidden spindle]

Thanks for reminding me on using an alternative way to level up: Story-Based. Like "finding" the next subclass Spells ahead of time, (or late)

[hollow lance]

are there any spells that make creatures no longer allies with each other?

[cursive fjord]

Crown of Madness immediately comes to mind

There are a few spells that just make the creature hit what ever is closest to them, even if its an allu

[hollow lance]

nah but I literally want to make the creature hate the other one, like permanently

[hidden spindle]

Hmmm... Just about any damaging Spells would do

[minor cargo]

Antipathy Sympathy might work.

Oh sorry no, it’s not permanent.

[hidden spindle]

I got it!

1. Befuddlement
2. Nystul's Magic Aura
3. Awaken
   Then treat it awful, or punch it.

Oh wait... it doesn't lower its INT. It's Feeblemind

[hollow lance]

no I want a third npc to cast a spell on one of them to make them hate each other

[eager marsh]

If you're the DM you can just arbitrarily say they do that

There's not any spell that explicitly forces personality changes permanently

[hollow lance]

damn

[hidden spindle]

Oh... Friends!

[hollow lance]

is there a way to force someone to cast a specific spell?

cus like I want the players to REALLY hate the villain so I'm gonna make it so he made an npc kill another npc (whom they're married to) and caused them to therefore break their paladin oaths (which were their wedding vows)

[minor cargo]

So straight up mind control?
Yeah let me figure out the exact spell name.

Yeah. Dominate Person could do it.

[marble lion]

How does that break a vow?

[hollow lance]

okay yeah dominate person

did you just ask how it would break weading vows to murder your wife?

[marble lion]

If a paladins wife gets taken from him, hes a victim, not an oathbreaker

Oh he kills the wife i didnt get that part

But it did happen under mindcontrol so hes still just a victim

[hollow lance]

he still technically killed her

[marble lion]

Youre the dm i guess

[hollow lance]

look at law on duress, you're found to have commited the crime, but you aren't liable for it

[marble lion]

I dont think thats how oaths work though in general

[marble lion]

We dont have magical mind control in our laws world

[hollow lance]

says you, mind control is how I get most of my freelancing gigs

[marble lion]

Damn i would be genuinely furious if a dm told me this was how law worked

[still plover]

Uh, yeah. Someone else is controlling my actions, I don't think I'm personally liable. Emotionally, that's different.

Are we talking about a PC paladin, and are you considering the Oathbreaker class?

[royal kraken]

Hey, if i already have dunegons masters guide and xanthars guide to everything, do i need any more books to be a DM?

[coarse wedge]

sick

[hot marlin]

No need for it to be enchantment magic. It could be some Othello plot.

In Othello, Iago manipulates the main character Othello into killing his wife Desdemona, no magic involved. Just careful psychological manipulation

[marble lion]

Sick yes for 3 months

[coarse wedge]

hire a cleric to heal you or something

[marble lion]

You free?

[still plover]

Oh, I could buy that, sure. The question is whether the table is skilled enough to pull it off.

[coarse wedge]

nah

[marble lion]

Rip

Ill pay you in a free char art commission, no colour, full body
If you cure disease me cleric

[woven flint]

Lmao

[hot marlin]

Reminds me: Don't forget to periodically cast restoration, remove curse and dispel magic on your entire team! You never know if a subtle disease or curse or suggestion might be affecting your team members!

Once a week is a good idea.

[worn lagoon]

yo

[severe rampart]

Hello Evren

[severe rampart]

ah, I only have Dispel Magic

[hot marlin]

You have other team members.

[native slate]

Does someone wanna know something very interesting about my character?

[jovial shadow]

https://discord.com/channels/516367331358801950/604757656565055589

[woven flint]

Shoot

[severe rampart]

You can say it here or in Character Discussion if it's lengthy

[native slate]

I’ve been playing as this character for about half a year now and I’m just now realizing I never set up his acolyte features

[woven flint]

That's hilarious

[native slate]

I’m more disappointed in myself than anything

[woven flint]

I played a Wildfire Druid for a year and a half and only used his Wildfire Spirit around 5 times (this was kinda purposefully a thing though)

[native slate]

You’re gonna have to explain that one a little bit because I’ve never played a druid well except right now. I just leveled up so I multi class and drew it but

[woven flint]

I typically roleplayed him accumulating and learning how to use new strengths he got as he leveled up

For example, it took him a bit to understand wildshaping and up until a certain point he only did it a few times.
Then, when he was able to fly with wildshapes, he could turn into flying creatures, but he was actively learning how to fly

[worn lagoon]

you guys have a light cleric

[woven flint]

The first time he turned into a bat, the Barbarian had to chuck him across a gap so he could glide over lmao

[severe rampart]

oh yeah we do

[woven flint]

The reason being for all this silly stuff is because he was already getting used to having a "new body" due to being turned into a beast man, so he had trouble with a few things, but he eventually had risen to Archdruid status and is part of that dms Druidic pantheon now

[worn lagoon]

i'm homebrewing a time sorcerer

hopefully i can bait a sorcerer enthusiast to playtest it in our campaign to replace the MIA bard 3#

[woven flint]

:3

There should be a Chaos domain for Clerics, seeing as how there's plenty of deities that represent Chaotic forces

[worn lagoon]

there used to be domains for literally everything at some point

[woven flint]

We have an Order Domain afterall

[severe rampart]

what'll happen to him in the second session

[worn lagoon]

no idea

[minor cipher]

btw guys is playing a DnD campaign without rlly knowing alot about it ok?

[worn lagoon]

but i don't think she'll make it to a session ever due to irl reasons

[worn lagoon]

learn as you go mate

[minor cipher]

i did a char sheet and stuff but i dont know what to do next

[woven flint]

You should at the very minimum, know how to play

[minor cipher]

also does a bounty hunter criminal wizard makes sense? lmao

[woven flint]

Anyone can be a bounty hunter

[severe rampart]

Why did I decide to make my character Chaotic Neutral

now I can't deal Necrotic Damage when using Spirit Guardians

[marble lion]

Boring dm

[woven flint]

You don't wanna deal necrotic damage If you're fighting demons anyway lol

[worn lagoon]

that restriction doesn't apply to my table mate, have fun

[severe rampart]

Oh yes

[minor cipher]

well i know rolling dice to do smth and stufff

[hot marlin]

To be a relatively successful bounty hunter, the only skills required is the ability to track someone (divination magic will do it quite well) and the ability to either kill someone quickly or non-lethally bind them and transport them. Wizards have the tools for that.

[severe rampart]

Well I don't wanna have to deal with Radiant Retort just in case

[woven flint]

You should also learn how your class works as well

[woven flint]

What???

[worn lagoon]

i totally gave radiant retort to a few enemies and didn't tell echo which

[severe rampart]

Evren is evil

[worn lagoon]

why? funny.

[woven flint]

What the hell is Radiant Retort?

[fast latch]

It sounds sick

I actually have my own bounty hunter wizard

She’s a Neutral aligned Illithid who eats the brains of her targets to survive

[vagrant quartz]

i finally reached lvl 5 wizardd yupieeee, now i have to choose 2 spells dear god somebody kill me aaaaaaaah

[severe rampart]

If I deal Radiant Damage to them, and they use Radiant Retort I get double damage and now it's Force

[worn lagoon]

haver reflects all radiant damage taken back to the dealer as x2 force damage

[fast latch]

I gave her an insanely long and stupidly powerful spell list filled with Illusion

[hot marlin]

Also being a bounty hunter requires a world where bounties are a thing, and a normal part of law enforcement. Which is a rather big worldbuilding detail

[severe rampart]

let's say I dealt 24 Radiant Damage, and they used radiant retort, I'd get 48 Force Damage, my character's hp is 52

[worn lagoon]

nuclear bomb vs coughing baby

[woven flint]

Haste is a good option for supporting and Fireball always exists
Hypnotic Pattern is pretty good as well

[worn lagoon]

fear is poggers

[fast latch]

Fireball for damage, Hypnotic Pattern for control

[woven flint]

I wouldn't say that, lots of things are immune to fear 😭

[severe rampart]

and the worse part is I can't counterspell it, I don't think

[vagrant quartz]

i already have both shield and silvery barbs, + portent, should i even use counterspell?

[woven flint]

Most definitely

[olive wasp]

Silvery barbssssssss

[worn lagoon]

i think counterspell is better when you have a lot more spell slots to burn the 3rd level ones without a care

but sure, fireball/counterspell is always decent for lv5

[severe rampart]

yeah right now I have only three slots

[woven flint]

Counterspell is Always good to have.
It's a wizard staple spell, afterall

[severe rampart]

I removed fireball, you pointed out we were in hell

[woven flint]

If nobody else can get Counterspell, you most definitely should

[worn lagoon]

simply transmuted spell the fireballs into iceballs smh

[vagrant quartz]

i can double fireball

[severe rampart]

or I polymorph the devil

[severe rampart]

actually you can triple fireball, even without haste in the campaign

but still, half of us decided to be bards

[vagrant quartz]

i dont have haste

[woven flint]

Are they part of THAT campaign?

[worn lagoon]

i copypaste bg3 rules for metamagic because i wanted sorcerers to stand out more

[vagrant quartz]

I CAN TRIPLE FIREBALL

[severe rampart]

in Evren's campaign*

[worn lagoon]

except we ended up with 0

[humble cairn]

2024 Sorcerers stand out just fine, imo

[severe rampart]

hey man, I mean, you got three bards, take it or leave it

[worn lagoon]

i'm running 2014 rules, a lot of the subclasses people play in the campaign outright don't exist in 24

[woven flint]

You should always specify, you're in a houserules heavy campaign so not everything mentioned applies to regular D&D 😭

[severe rampart]

I think we also have a berserker barbarian and a light cleric?

[woven flint]

Typically, no.

[severe rampart]

I'm sorry Lord of Goofy 😔

[humble cairn]

2024 is backwards compatible, you can use the 2014 subclasses.

[vagrant quartz]

yeah no i cant

[worn lagoon]

i also just don't like 24.

[vagrant quartz]

but i still can double fireball by myself

[humble cairn]

Shoulda led with that.

[fast latch]

Hi Sophie

[worn lagoon]

i will not elaborate. explaining why i don't like x in a server about a bunch of things including x is the most exhausting waste of time ever.

[crimson gulch]

It's backwards and forwards compatible in my experience

[fast latch]

*Ophi

[woven flint]

Unless you have an item that Casts fireball, you can't use more than one spellslot per turn.

[vagrant quartz]

fireball + cartomancer feat flourish fireball

[fast latch]

Quickened Spell

[humble cairn]

Sure, which is why you shoulda led with it.

[worn lagoon]

unfortunately doesn't let you

[woven flint]

Again, you can't use more than one spellslot per turn.

[vagrant quartz]

i'm using my feat :)

[woven flint]

Which is fire, smart idea, Cartomancer was awesome

[severe rampart]

pun intended?

[woven flint]

No 😔

[fast latch]

In 2024?

I remember in 2014 you could use more than one slot in a turn

[humble cairn]

Cartomancer doesn't let you cast without a spell slot.

[vagrant quartz]

i'm still at 17 int because of it :')

[woven flint]

You couldn't even in 2014.
It's just more specified now

[humble cairn]

One spell slot for spells per turn is the 2024 rule. The 2014 rule was about Bonus Action spells..

[humble cairn]

Yes you could in 2014.

[woven flint]

Oh yeah, if you casted a bonus action spell first you could only do a cantrip, right? 😭
Or something stupid like that

[worn lagoon]

i thought you couldn't even do a cantrip

[humble cairn]

Yes you could

[worn lagoon]

there was a whole chat here claiming that, guess they were all wrong

[humble cairn]

Could be, I don't know unless you link the convo.

In 2014, the bonus action spell rule was that if you cast a spell with a BA the only other spell you could cast that turn was a 1 Action Cantrip.

[worn lagoon]

that's what i thought for the longest time

good to know i was remembering right

[humble cairn]

That rule was replaced in 2024 with a much simpler rule: you can only spend one spell slot per turn to cast spells.

[vagrant quartz]

ive looked at the feat descipriton a bunch of times, it never says that you consume a spellslot, it just says you cast it

[half prairie]

hi

can yall give me the pros and cons of being a monk? im new to ts

[trail jacinth]

Hello

[humble cairn]

It doesn't say that you don't use a spell slot, therefore it defaults to the regular rules for "casting" a spell, which means it uses a spell slot.

[worn lagoon]

the main con is that you are a monk

[woven flint]

I'm so glad they just changed it to one spellslot per turn instead of having nonsensical arbitrary rulings about it

[half prairie]

yeah i get that, unarmed and all but

[vagrant quartz]

you punch people for comidic effect

[half prairie]

cmonnnnnnn theres gotta be a good payoff?? are monks like combo oriented??

[woven flint]

Oh you used a bonus action to cast a spell?! Woe be upon ye, you can now only use a cantrip!

[worn lagoon]

i'm not creative enough to make monks interesting, unfortunately

[woven flint]

Horrible take

Monks are amazing, frankly

[vagrant quartz]

oh welp, i still have mind sliver

[humble cairn]

Monk is a melee control class that requires a bit of finesse and tactical awareness to make shine.

[worn lagoon]

I just cannot bring myself to care for a fantasy class that consists of punching

[woven flint]

I can.
Punching dragons is fun

[uneven citrus]

hey dont hate on the monks

[humble cairn]

Please don't perpetuate "Monk bad" it's not it.

[half prairie]

hey, they dont gotta be, this character im making is a rly angry guy who did adventuring initially to blow off some steam but hes kinda chill now and is like "huh wait this is cool"

[fast latch]

Monks are awesome

[minor cipher]

i think monks are cool asf

[worn lagoon]

i'm sure it's good, i just can't care for it

[woven flint]

My elements monk absolutely destroyed an Adult Black Dragon, I don't wanna hear it smh

[hot marlin]

It was especially egregious with the 2014 rules, where rogue and barbarian got a lot of love, but ranger and monk who were miles better than those two were the ones who were mindlessly criticized

[woven flint]

(New elements monk, I mean lol)

[vagrant quartz]

i feel this, i'm just like: why use sword when i cant cast "delete that general direction" and do a bunch of crazy stuff with magic

[fast latch]

I used to play a Goblin Ascendant Dragon Monk who used his Fury of The Small and Stunning Strike to punch people in the most sensitive areas because it was funny

[worn lagoon]

i think giant swords are cool too i just don't care for punches

[half prairie]

ora ora

[jovial shadow]

More attacks per round than any class. Increasing levels of defense, to the point you become hard to kill. One of the fastest, if not the fastest character classes. Cons, using non-monk weapons, or any kinds of armor or shield nullifies some of your primary abilities.

[woven flint]

Bladesinger Wizards are fun because you can do both

[worn lagoon]

i'm sure there's appeal in using nothing but your bare muscles and body to take on gods, it just doesn't quite hit the spot for me

[vagrant quartz]

my bg3 main save file agrees

[half prairie]

i see

[humble cairn]

You get a whole lot of attacks and other options to do. The class can be very cool and very effective, but it's also a bit to juggle for a new player, and requires that you think very tactically. Just going up to the enemy and punching them and nothing else is going to feel very boring.

[half prairie]

double i see

[worn lagoon]

don't monks get comical amounts of movement speed? idr

[humble cairn]

Please ignore people bashing the class without even knowing how it works.

[half prairie]

uff.. word.. haters aint it..

do i make my oc before or after i find a campaign to join

[worn lagoon]

mind you nothing bad was said about it mechanically

[woven flint]

All of my Monks were absolute badasses
Two have killed dragons, one of which did so by himself
One was a Demigod in a oneshot and proved as much as taking down a Giant Deity of death
And they all just threw straight hands

[fast latch]

After

[hot marlin]

Now for actual monk con: The early levels are a bit difficult

And monk requires more understanding of placement and action economy than other classes

[woven flint]

Indeed

[humble cairn]

Having very little Focus means you need to be extra extra tactical about when you use it.

[woven flint]

Now for all the pros:
Everything else

Lmao

[hot marlin]

Monk is a bit like rogue in the sense that the same build played by a player with good tactics and a player with bad tactics will be completely different.

[woven flint]

Yes!

[half prairie]

i am a student of the rising platinum dragon fist.. ive trained my whole 18 years, and i have been sent by my masters to defeat the demon lord.. HIYAH... 1DSOMETHING UNARMED STRIKE

[humble cairn]

Which makes it a bit of a skill class.

[worn lagoon]

calling my next tabaxi monk car

[woven flint]

Indeed, sometimes flurry of blows isn't always the best option.. like most people seem to think it is 💀

[half prairie]

ora ora

[fast latch]

For example, if you’re playing Curse of Strahd, which is a horror campaign, you shouldn’t play a joke character because that could ruin the atmosphere

If you’re playing in Lost Mines of Phandelver, ask your DM if you if you can play a joke character

[humble cairn]

I am so happy Patient Defense and Step of the Wind have free options now.

[half prairie]

shiiiit youre right

[hot marlin]

Yeah like the main question you should be asking yourself is "Is this a situation where I should be dodging, disengaging, dashing or attacking with my bonus action?"

[humble cairn]

Get in a group, then make your character with information you get from Session 0.

[woven flint]

I like that eventually step of the wind now allows you to take an ally with you

[fast latch]

Just so you know you’re not supposed to curse here

[half prairie]

i thought the flow of doing this dnd thing is like in roleplay servers where i make an oc sheet

[humble cairn]

Me too! such good Support

[half prairie]

rly? mb

[worn lagoon]

lmao that bypassed the anti-curse filter

[woven flint]

The "I've got you, bro!" Move

[errant token]

Hi

[jovial shadow]

And that's just the Monk's basic and doesn't include the subclasses

[vagrant quartz]

my dm made a critical lapse in judgement, he gave me not 1 but 2 hand puppets, i cant stop myself sometimes

[half prairie]

I'm so slepy... gng guys

[woven flint]

My Tabaxi monk, Sumatra, used Step of the Wind to take a civilian NPC out of a dangerous situation and it felt so good, honestly lol

[errant token]

I am new

[half prairie]

thanks for helping me out

very welcoming community 10/10 would ask again

[vagrant quartz]

hi new, i'm now very happy

[errant token]

I am a DM of a campaign and do you have any tips for running one

[half prairie]

goodnight

[errant token]

Yes my name is new

[jovial shadow]

A new DM should start with a premade adventure They will guide you on how to run an adventure properly

[errant token]

No

I want to be original

[woven flint]

Well, sometimes it's best to get some experience before doing so 😭

[humble cairn]

Originality is over rated.

But you do you.

[errant token]

No

[rotund sand]

hello

where to look for active campaigns to join

[errant token]

Why

[woven flint]

Indeed, I used to think being original was THE way to go..!
One of my more recent characters, however?

A farm boy who found out his great grandfather was a knight and wants to be a hero just like him.

[fast latch]

Good night

[woven flint]

It's a cliche, but it's a classic for a reason

[minor cargo]

You could also start with a premade - and then make your spins and twists on it!

That said, if you still aren’t liking that, yeah, you can for sure start from scratch. It’ll just be more work.

Best of luck!

[woven flint]

That too!

[worn lagoon]

descent into avernus is helping me a ton with my otherwise original campaign that also happens to be there

[humble cairn]

In my experience, people trying to be original just end up recreating something that's tropey anyway, but just in a more roundabout and tortured way. Meanwhile people who just go with the archetypes and tropes that feel good and just put a personal spin on them have a great time and get called original anyway.

[vagrant quartz]

my all time favorite campaign is just, curse of sthrad with a good dm

[woven flint]

Seriously folks, try to do Archatypical campaigns and characters, you'll find it's pretty damn fun

[humble cairn]

Think of it this way, if you spend too much energy trying not to be like something else, you're letting that something else control you anyway rather just coming up with your own stuff.

[woven flint]

I don't even like playing a Fighter, but my Farm Boy become Heroic Knight lad has given me a soft spot for the class lol

[severe rampart]

my last drop of DnD was from 2024 July I think, at the end of it I and another player character fought and I ultimately lost, turns out the three campaigns the DM was running at the same time was set in the same world and we were from different factions and had to kill each other

I lost so hard it wasn't even close

[hot gate]

Hey my "PvP" bingo field has been really tortured today, not again.

[vagrant quartz]

hydrogen bomb vs choughing baby?

[severe rampart]

at the end he still had well over half of his HP

[severe rampart]

let me see if I still have his stats

[worn lagoon]

let me guess, you were also a bard there

[woven flint]

Lmao

[vagrant quartz]

just wanted to say@woven flint@worn lagoon you 2 have some amazing pfps

[worn lagoon]

oh thanks!

[woven flint]

Thanks, it's my Tabaxi Grave Cleric from ages ago.
Nokiin Delvera

[worn lagoon]

aurelion sol is goated

[vagrant quartz]

yes indeed

[fast latch]

You can start originally if you want, I started by homebrewing a freaking continent

It’ll be really hard, but if a 15-year old could do it you can too

[woven flint]

He was a good boy
He watched his fellow followers of Kelemvor get slaughtered however 😔

[severe rampart]

the worst part was I went up against their "leader" (not really leader, just the strongest member of their faction)

[worn lagoon]

i've been really enjoying map-painting in my first original campaign

[woven flint]

He got revenge on the being that killed them though 😎

And as an old man on top of that!
He's 45, Tabaxi live to be 60 lmao

I've noticed, I love playing old man grandpa Clerics

[fast latch]

Really?

I thought it’d be longer

At least 80

[woven flint]

If I had a Nickle for everytime I've played an Old Man Cleric..
I'd have three

[worn lagoon]

old fart

[worn lagoon]

me but with annoying nepo baby sorcerers

[woven flint]

He actually looked pretty young, but that was due to the fey magics he was exposed to as a child lol

[fast latch]

Not as surprising as Kobolds living for 120 years (Longer than Dragonborn, for some reason)

[woven flint]

Tortles only live 50 years, apparently

My Tortle is 70 though, we don't have to care about no fictional lifespans!

[worn lagoon]

i've heard conflicting claims about half-dragons, some say twice as long as the non-dragon parent and others claimed the average of both parents

[vagrant quartz]

I play a lot of kids

[hot gate]

(Monsters of the Multiverse fixed this glaring mistake )

[woven flint]

Notably, Dragonborns aren't half dragons.
Just creatures evolved to look like dragons

[vagrant quartz]

Maybe I just like beeing an immature person for a couple hours a week

[woven flint]

Thank goodness lmao

[worn lagoon]

i know

[hot gate]

They missed their chance to give them an overly long lifespan, but now it's just a century like everyone else.

[worn lagoon]

i specifically made a half-dragon because of a 2006 short story from an anthology, actually

[vagrant quartz]

Dragonborn draconic sorcerer's being double dragon but no dragon

[woven flint]

I don't know if my Tortle will live til 100, though, he's in Waterdeep and although he's a good person, he cares for and associates with a party of miscreants

[vagrant quartz]

Did somebody say Waterdeep?

[woven flint]

He's one of few of my characters that'd truly sadden me if he died

[vagrant quartz]

gale my fav boy Waterdeep?

[woven flint]

Waterdeep, from my experience, is a hell hole.

[worn lagoon]

it's so hellish my half-dragon cannot even enter it

[vagrant quartz]

Never said it was a nice place

[fast latch]

I homebrewed it so they only die after mating, and can otherwise live up to 300

[woven flint]

Being a good and kind person in Waterdeep is incredibly hard because lots of people there don't deserve a charitable and kind old man tortle

[vagrant quartz]

The 290 year old tortle :

I can't imply other stuff , png13

[woven flint]

My character has even convinced the party to occasionally spare people so they can turn them in to the authorities instead of just killing them, he's been the main reason the party has been knocking out and questioning certain bad guys lmao

He IS a Knowledge Cleric, afterall

[vagrant quartz]

Funny, today I ended my session with me repeatedly bashing the head of evil person related to my backstory until it became head red pulp

[vagrant quartz]

#wizardgoals

[woven flint]

I don't tend for my characters to be brutal in killing so much as they are just efficient
A stab straight through the heart or a mace to the head is much efficient enough for most of em lol

[vagrant quartz]

He IS very angry at that person

Well, was

[woven flint]

My Grave Cleric, even as angry and upset as he was at the individual that massacred the people of his church, the people that raised him, he decided to spare their life, not because he was a better person, but because killing that man would've done nothing to bring those he loved back. Guy was banished to a demiplane as a punishment by his boss lmao, so, Nokiin still won there lol

[vagrant quartz]

That's quite similar actually, except mine is an very angry young winter eladrin

Said brutalized person killed his adopted mother, stole her belongings and set fire to his home and killing a lot of his friends in the subsequent fire

[hollow stone]

oh like bees?

[woven flint]

"I'm too old to be angry, too old to care about revenge. Kelemvor will most definitely come to judge you when time passes, I hope, in your favor, he forgives you, as I've done my best to try and do so after all these years."
Summary of what he told him lol

[vagrant quartz]

Very wise indeed

[vagrant quartz]

Do tortles have mating pheromones?

[woven flint]

Hatred doesn't fix anything was his entire mantra, the party was indeed full of angry people

[hollow stone]

i wanna know if tortle eggs deploy tortles or if they have little tortle larvae

[woven flint]

Turtles don't have "Larvae" in real life lol

[vagrant quartz]

Oooh and the tortle queen goes around slowly to try and mate with the fastest tortle

[hollow stone]

yea but turtle isn't tortle, tortle has hands

[marble lion]

That definitely is being better person

[woven flint]

Absolutely, but his goal wasn't to be better, just to teach a fellow old man at that point that his anger and hate got him nowhere lol

[woven flint]

Yeah, but if they're based off of Turtles and Torti then they're most definitely not gonna have Larvae 😭

[vagrant quartz]

The tortle larva come out of the tortle eggs

And they bury the tortle eggs in a hexagon shaped hole on the beach

[hollow stone]

but i want a worm tortle :(

[woven flint]

Larvae aren't specifically worm-like either smhhh
Not for every species that has a larval stage

Octopus larvae are cute, go search em up

[hollow stone]

octopus have larvae??

[woven flint]

Yes

[hollow stone]

OMG they have such big heads

[woven flint]

They're very tiny octopi and look surprised to be alive

[vagrant quartz]

Wait radom questions

[woven flint]

I think that's another reason mindflayers have a larval/tadpole stage is to kinda loosely connect them with the animal they're based on.. that's just a hunch though

[vagrant quartz]

Are there sea tortles and land tortles? (I have never looked at the tortles)

[woven flint]

Not from my understanding, but all Tortles can hold their breath underwater up to an hour

[vagrant quartz]

I think we have an expert coming into the tortle scene

[coral prairie]

if i was to multiclass cleric/wizard (primarily cleric but wizard for access to absorbing scrolls) what level distribution would be good?

[woven flint]

It's fun to speculate about the biology of fictional creatures

[woven flint]

Uh. Hmmm.. I'm unsure...
You might find better help in
#character-discussion

[hollow stone]

to absorb scrolls i think you just need one level in Wizard, right?

[severe lotus]

I'm not big on multi classing but 3 levels in wizard sound sufficient to me

[severe lotus]

Correct

[woven flint]

Frankly, a singular level unless you want a subclass is also fine imo

[hollow stone]

but also access to wizard spells of the level of the spell you want to use

[hot marlin]

That reminds me of the only prestige class I actually liked from 3.PF.

[coral prairie]

i still wanted to level up some in wizard for some higher spells but it was more knowing like cleric level 2 to get domain and such then cleric level 3 doesnt really give too much so would going level 1 wizard then be worth it

[vagrant quartz]

Divination wizard is very busted >w> just saying

[woven flint]

Spells like Shield, Absorb Elements, Find Familiar, Silvery Barbs, are all 1st level spells, however, they mostly just increase your survivability (which is good on a class that already has high survivability)

[hot marlin]

The mystic theurge. A prestige class made to combine divine and arcane magic. The dream for wizard/clerics. MAD as hell but damn could it be powerful if you managed to pull it off

[coral prairie]

conjuration also seems fun for my playstyle with ensnare/web/grease

[fathom gate]

I cast power word socialise

[coral prairie]

i counter attack with silence

[woven flint]

I can't wait for 2024 transmutation wizard to come out, it got a serious glow-up

[vagrant quartz]

Counterspell!

[woven flint]

I cast, punching the three of you in the gnoggin!

[fathom gate]

I counterspell your counterspell

[coral prairie]

g?

you a gnome?

[woven flint]

No, gnoggin is another word for head lmao

[hollow stone]

that's noggin, tokii.

[coral prairie]

yes im british and its noggin

[vagrant quartz]

I cast blink to escape to the ethereal plane

[woven flint]

Shuddup

Both of ye!
I, lord of goofy, say as I please

[coral prairie]

nocchi

[vagrant quartz]

Gnocchi?

[fathom gate]

That wont work on m-WHERE DID YOU GO

[coral prairie]

no according to tokii it would be nocchi

[fathom gate]

I was staring right at you

[woven flint]

I'm always right, and that's my opinion, which is correct because I'm always right /joking

[vagrant quartz]

is in another plane of existance

[coral prairie]

i cast flee.......on myself

[fathom gate]

I cast iron

[hollow stone]

can you cast Enlarge/Reduce on someone's tooth?

[woven flint]

From my understanding, it doesn't work on specific parts of a creature

[severe rampart]

it doesn't?

[woven flint]

It's an overall effect

Which, I think they did for a reason....

[severe rampart]

awww man.

[severe rampart]

imagine someone cast enlarge on one of your eyeballs

[fathom gate]

Imagine casting it on someones heart

[vagrant quartz]

Knowing my party, someone whould definitely choose a particular appendage

[woven flint]

"For the duration, the spell enlarges or reduces a creature or an object you can see within range (see the chosen effect below). A targeted object must be neither worn nor carried. If the target is an unwilling creature, it can make a Constitution saving throw. On a successful save, the spell has no effect.

Everything that a targeted creature is wearing and carrying changes size with it. Any item it drops returns to normal size at once. A thrown weapon or piece of ammunition returns to normal size immediately after it hits or misses a target.

Enlarge. The target’s size increases by one category—from Medium to Large, for example. The target also has Advantage on Strength checks and Strength saving throws. The target’s attacks with its enlarged weapons or Unarmed Strikes deal an extra 1d4 damage on a hit."
Nope, can't target a specific part

[severe rampart]

yeah... THE ARM, imagine how hard those bad boys can punch

pair that with a monk

[woven flint]

Note that body parts AREN'T objects unless severed before anyone tries to argue that point

[vagrant quartz]

What if the person has a gold tooth

Or a pegleg

[woven flint]

Still targets the entire creature.

[jolly hound]

Order of scribes wizard is sooo cool

[woven flint]

If you target an object on a creature, you're still targeting THE creature.

[hidden spindle]

Bard drinks a Potion of Pugilism and Potion of Growth every night in hopes of Potion Miscibility's permanent effects

[vagrant quartz]

The creature feature, featuring the creature

[hollow stone]

oh i can't target their chestplate to trap them in a box?

[woven flint]

No.

[fathom gate]

I remember playing a warlock that was a preformer and my tophat was a bag of holding

[vagrant quartz]

But you most definitely can target a mushroom standing under them!

[fathom gate]

I could literally pull out a lot of stuff from my comically tall hat

[woven flint]

Specifically within the spells text:
"A targeted object must be neither worn nor carried. If the target is an unwilling creature, it can make a Constitution saving throw. On a successful save, the spell has no effect."

[vagrant quartz]

How quick is the enlarge spell effect? Whould enlarging something under a creature causa the object to fling a person upwards? @woven flint

[woven flint]

D&D is not a physics engine, it wouldn't do that.

[fathom gate]

It would just clip through their chin

[vagrant quartz]

So I can't catapult ppl with random objects, awwww

[fathom gate]

You can catapult their hearts

[vagrant quartz]

Human nature:

But what if it was faster?

[fathom gate]

A human heart is roughly 5 pounds

[woven flint]

No you can't.

[severe rampart]

it'd turn 40 lbs

[fathom gate]

I thought catapult was something in range, not something you see

[vagrant quartz]

You can't do that for the same reason you can't shape the water inside someones blood, we aren't bloodbending with a cantrip ppl

[severe rampart]

what I'm concerned about is, if you target the heart, are you also targeting the veins and arteries?

[snow zephyr]

Embrace the peasant railgun

[woven flint]

First of all, it was to be an object you can SEE.

No, correction

[jovial shadow]

This discussion. wow

[vagrant quartz]

One day I will make a particle accelerator with goblins

[snow zephyr]

Inventing a portable MRI machine for evil

[woven flint]

It's an object within range.
But, it can't be worn or carried by a creature.

A heart is carried.. by a creature as its inside them.

Also.. uh.. hearts aren't objects.

[vagrant quartz]

What if kinetic jaunt+true vision

[fast latch]

Oh, that’s freaking amazing

[severe rampart]

well, what's your definition of an object

cuz the definition from google is "a material thing that can be seen and touched." a heart can be seen, and can be touched

[snow zephyr]

It's possible but you get to Monty Python levels of preposterous

[woven flint]

You also can't target creatures with the spell anyway.

"Choose one object weighing 1 to 5 pounds within range that isn’t being worn or carried. The object flies in a straight line up to 90 feet in a direction you choose before falling to the ground, stopping early if it impacts against a solid surface. If the object would strike a creature, that creature must make a Dexterity saving throw. On a failed save, the object strikes the target and stops moving. When the object strikes something, the object and what it strikes each take 3d8 bludgeoning damage."

[crimson gulch]

parts of creatures are not objects

[snow zephyr]

But objects can be creatures

[vagrant quartz]

Fun fact, my artificer one time used a ball of curled up rats

[severe rampart]

what's the limit here, what if it was a mimic?

[snow zephyr]

Is it an African Swallow or a European Swallow

[woven flint]

Semantics aside, if something is considered a creature, it's not considered an object.

[crimson gulch]

mimics are creatures

[vagrant quartz]

He threw a ball of vampire drained rats at a vampire with catapult

[woven flint]

Then you used it wrong, unless the rats were dead

[crimson gulch]

page 19 of the new DMG is your freind when thinking about these things

[vagrant quartz]

They were very much dead

[severe rampart]

oh? then what's the ruling if the creature is dead? I'm curious

[woven flint]

Anything that isn't part of a creature as creatures and objects are two different categories.

[snow zephyr]

You can test a chest with catapult if it's made of paper

[woven flint]

Until the creature is dead*

[hollow stone]

could you launch a dagger with catapult to deal both dagger and catapult damage?

[snow zephyr]

runs in waving a zombie around "Behold, an object!"

[woven flint]

I'm sorry if the way I type seems aggressive btw, just trying to be punctual and informative 😭

[crimson gulch]

no, just catapult damage

[severe rampart]

okay Diogenes

[woven flint]

No, it'd only deal catapult damage.

[crimson gulch]

undead =/= Dead

[snow zephyr]

But it's not living

[severe rampart]

nor alive

[woven flint]

Undead are reanimated, therefore living corpses.

[severe rampart]

schrodinger's object

[fast latch]

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

[snow zephyr]

Are sentient weapons considered creatures or would they require motive force?

[woven flint]

Sentient weapons are considered items.

[snow zephyr]

Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time

[fast latch]

Finally, an opportunity to pull a Monty Python reference out of my butt

[woven flint]

Because it's still just a weapon

[vagrant quartz]

What about tiny servant?

[woven flint]

Just because an object has sentience doesn't instantly make it a creature

[fathom gate]

I cant wait to play dnd again

[snow zephyr]

Where's the cutoff between sentient weapon and creature

[severe rampart]

what about someone who was once a creature then cursed to be a living sword

[woven flint]

That's just a magical force, not a creature

[hot marlin]

In the same way just because something is living it may not be a creature. Like an ordinary tree for example

[severe rampart]

because a mimic mimicking a sword is a creature... so what's the line

[snow zephyr]

Because a self-firing catapult borders on construct

[vagrant quartz]

How much of a creature does an object have to be to be considered a creature?

[jovial shadow]

Dagger is not going to do catapult damage. Presuming you mean from a Trebuchet. You have to use the appropriate ammunition for that kind of damage. The best you will get from a wasted effort with a dagger is improvised damage.

[hot marlin]

It is not a spectrum, it is a binary.

[snow zephyr]

They're talking about the spell catapult

[woven flint]

Warforged are creatures

[hot marlin]

"an object is a discrete, inanimate item like a window, door, sword, book, table, chair, or stone, not a building or a vehicle that is composed of many other objects."

That's it. That's the rule.

[vagrant quartz]

You know that meme where they show you a bunch of animals ranging from housepets to farm animals and askes you were you draw the line at ok with eating them?

[hot marlin]

What does that have to do with anything?

[vagrant quartz]

That's the question, where does the "creature" start

[severe rampart]

question though, what of the hilt and blade of a sword? are they still considered seperate or one object?

[snow zephyr]

Quantum superposition is the problem here

[hot marlin]

And when I'm asked a question like that, I generally answer "In a famine, everything is okay to eat, including other people. Hunger trumps morality"

[vagrant quartz]

At which point an animated object become a creature

[woven flint]

I think you people are looking too deep into a question with a simple answer

[hot marlin]

As long as it's attached to the sword, it's the same object

[woven flint]

The answer was literally just given

[snow zephyr]

Cannibalism is lazy

[valid geyser]

I mean corpses are in the in between space here they’re considered objects as well as dead creatures

[severe rampart]

what about a piece of paper inside of a book, if you tear it off it becomes two seperate objects? though there are many pieces of paper in the book?

[hot marlin]

Yes

[snow zephyr]

Idk, if you can shake it and it stays in one piece then it's a single object

[hot marlin]

I honestly don't see what is so hard to understand. The D&D definition of an object is as clear as can be

[severe rampart]

what about individual grains of sand

[snow zephyr]

The force of the test shake is dependant on scale

[jovial shadow]

Corpses are called creatures in the PHB. Some confuse the definition of an object as "non-living" to mean dead creature. Which is wrong. Non-living is simply an object, like a chair, table etc.

[woven flint]

Are you trying to have an "Aha!" Moment or are you genuinely curious?

[snow zephyr]

Yes, but it presupposes the platonic concept of the issues in questions

[severe rampart]

genuinely curious

[vagrant quartz]

How did we reach this point of discussion

[severe rampart]

also replied to the wrong person, was supposed to reply to Master of Dungeons saying "The Shake Test"

[vagrant quartz]

I kinda forgot

[severe rampart]

This was a discussion on hypothetically if we could cast enlarge/reduce on a single point of a creature

[woven flint]

Which, within the spells text, already says you can't target a worn or carried object or if you target a creature, it's overall

[vagrant quartz]

Oh right, can I animate a steel defender?

[severe rampart]

Aren't all objects technically carried? (genuinely curious)

[hot marlin]

Also a part of a creature is not an object. Limbs are not objects if they're still attached to the creature. Hearts are not objects.

[woven flint]

Steel Defenders are already creatures

[halcyon forum]

steel defenders are creatures, not objects

[woven flint]

No?

[severe rampart]

yep, we got that, with the exception of prosthetics I think

[vagrant quartz]

So artificers just make life, zamn

[woven flint]

Objects on a creature are considered carried by a creature, objects in an environment, are not

[halcyon forum]

constructs are alive in dnd terms, yes

[vagrant quartz]

Me when I find out my artificer needs maternity leave

[woven flint]

Warforged are also living creatures

Constructs are alive but don't typically have biological needs or a finite lifespan

[vagrant quartz]

Now I'm curious, when does a robot become a construct?

Is it sentience?

[woven flint]

Undead are reanimated deceased individuals and are therefore, technically living because.. well..
UNdead

[hot marlin]

When exactly is that distinction meaningful?

[woven flint]

If it has a creature tag, then you'll know if it's creature

[hot marlin]

Which spell, which effect requires you to decide if constructs are alive or not?

[vagrant quartz]

I just wanted to know if I can have my own animated robot

[woven flint]

A little bit of a joke