dnd-discussion

[buoyant oar]

Lizardfolk gonna lizardfolk.

But if lizardfolk does that they must accept that humans might not want them in town.

[tribal light]

I think you're underestimating how much morbidity and fashion are interlinked. Date a goth chick for a while and you'll find out.

[buoyant oar]

You are attempting to paint with broad strokes that which requires a fine brush.

[tribal light]

"But the baron of town has a white dragon skin cloak! And I took this skin off a bandit lord that has a CR at least as high as a young dragon! This is unfair! This is discrimination!"

[spring light]

what do goth chicks have to do with dnd?

[buoyant oar]

"I am the Baron. This is my land. Don't like it? Get Out."

[tribal light]

"You hairless apes are all the same! Bigots!"

[undone fable]

Paladin/ranger/artificer

[lusty kelp]

One is for shock value. I find that dumb and silly. I can't take it seriously

[undone fable]

I just like combining class.

[tribal light]

🎵See my vest, see my vest, made from real gorilla chest... 🎵

[lusty kelp]

I have no issue if we talk about organ transplant, even if it's from dead bandits

Human skin leather is just slock

[tribal light]

Is blood type a thing in d&d?

[buoyant oar]

No

[knotty pasture]

Probably but its never mentioned either

[tribal light]

I know Japanese and Asian media often make a big deal about blood type even in setting s without that medical technology

[lusty kelp]

Blood type divination is popular in Japan right now

Its a thing, like astrology is in western culture

[tribal light]

I guess I'm just wondering why it's more shocking than using leather or skin from any other sentient being

[buoyant oar]

I once had a player decry that a monarch they had some rapport with was shutting down a protest forcefully. I hit them with.

"At what point in this conversation did you assume we were friends."

[tribal light]

If chimpanzee leather is ok and dragon scales are ok why human leather?

[lusty kelp]

because there's no real point to it other than the shock value. Its fundamentally more expensive and DUMB than using other kinds.

[buoyant oar]

Again, it depends on many factors.

[tribal light]

"Depends if you're familiar with the writings of Richelieu and Locke"

[tribal light]

It's not more expensive when you consider how many people d&d PCs kill. I kill far more humans than cows when I play.

[lusty kelp]

IIRC, leather even shrinks during the tanning process. Having enough human skin to reliably make actual clothes is dumb.

[lusty kelp]

... you do realize entire civilizations exist outside of the pc party, right?

[tribal light]

Maybe I'm a particularly sociopathic halfling. By which I mean a kender. "Your skin? No, our skin"

Oh man that's a great villain NPC. A kender serial killer who thinks he's entitled to other people's body parts.

Thanks for helping me brainstorm everyone.

[buoyant oar]

Dragon Scale Armor is okay in 90% of humanoid towns. Because Dragons are usually an objective enemy to their safety.

In draconic regions like Tymanther, or Chessenta in the Forgotten Realms it would be taboo.

In the Beast Lands of Estagund, having a book made of gnome would not be out of place.

In the Shaar a Wemic would use a human's skull as a drinking cup.

[knotty pasture]

By typical human standards yes because its what our values are, different story if its some other races or religions like Bhaal

[lusty kelp]

You wanna murder-hobo, more power to ya. But the reason people think that dragon scales are kosher and not human skin is because dragon scales do come with an actual reason to make into armor; humanoid leather is worn for shock value, not any rationale reason

[buoyant oar]

Also that

[knotty pasture]

One of Bhaal's Chosen famously wears a meatsuit made from hardened leather, heavily implied to be human flesh

[buoyant oar]

We aren't saying a Kobold can't be offended at the sight of it. They can absolutely be offended by it. But the World at least imo does not revolve around the whims of the PCs.

The only time it should is when Out of Game Comfort discussions are had.

[knotty pasture]

But that's a chosen of Bhaal, probably not accepted in most games as a setting

[lusty kelp]

Hey! I remember that guy!

[viral kraken]

the meatsuit or the person wearing them?

[lusty kelp]

I vaguely remember something like that from reading the Book of Vile Darkness for 3e, i think it was? I was laughing.

Everything was so over the top, it was hard to take seriously

(also, I met the guy at the Red Wing's game two weekends ago. Was pretty chill, talked abotu throwing octopi onto the ice)

[knotty pasture]

Its not from 3e, think they're an OC for a video game

[tribal light]

Iirc you can also get living leather from daelkyr in eberron in 3e

[lusty kelp]

Ah. Must have been someone else. Or its just been too long

Oh, well, not a big deal. I generally don't pay a huge amount of attention to the FR human pantheon.

mostly because i don't often play humans, so I often end up looking at the other pantheons for inspiration

[violet nimbus]

Eloo

[lusty kelp]

hihi!

[violet nimbus]

How art thou

[lusty kelp]

I'm feelin' evil. How you doing?

[violet nimbus]

Is this Mayhaps not the general chat? How come the slow mode

[knotty pasture]

Yknow its weird as well, I think this is probably the 5th time I mentioned Bhaal -- Think some people just gravitate towards making all sorts of weird characters but they always tie back to Bhaalist values

[violet nimbus]

Mischevious myself thank you very much

[knotty pasture]

Maybe the wacky PC guys just need to read into Bhaal

[lusty kelp]

mischief is good! we all need a bit more of it in our lives!

[spring light]

i wanted to make a bhaal cultist, but i misunderstood the mission and made a ball cultist who plays sports.

[knotty pasture]

It better be something handsy, like boxing

[spring light]

foot ball

[lusty kelp]

D&D monk - monastery? The boxing ring. Instead of fist wraps, has boxing gloves.

[viral kraken]

foot bhaal eh?

[violet nimbus]

This is wonderful

I require this

[buoyant oar]

Rejiek Hidesman, I don't think he is confirmed as a Chosen of Bhaal. I know he is affiliated with the Twisted Rune Undead Cult

[ashen kelp]

HAPPY NEW YEAR

LESGOOOO

[scarlet marsh]

Suuup

Lunch time so alright. You?

[idle oar]

Please use #non-dnd-topics for not D&D topics

Thanks!

[wraith kelp]

ok guys i have no idea how to visualize my character i mean i do kind of but

[severe rampart]

Heroforge perhaps could help

[minor cargo]

Say more? Like whats the problem you’re having? Like the root of it?

[wraith kelp]

me?

well idk im made a character but idk how to draw him

[minor cargo]

Why do you need to draw him? Sorry if that sounds kind of combative. But in my experience, you don’t always need like a high quality picture.

[serene jolt]

Heroforge, Picrew, or you can commission an artist.

Or if you want to, you can just draw him. There's nothing wrong with that either!

[wraith kelp]

idk i just wanted to

meh i wont its too much lol

[idle oar]

I mean this is the official D&D server run by Wizards of the Coast - we are not specifically an art server or a place that teaches people how to make art.
There are better servers, forums, websites, heck even YouTube videos that can help.

[wraith kelp]

okay

[minor cargo]

I’ve had players also make mood boards (like Pinterest) or even music playlists to capture the “vibes” of a character! Lots of options!

[severe rampart]

I've already sunk too much emotion into writing my character, so now's the time to commision an artist and see him come to life, also supporting artists is great

[wraith kelp]

my own character

[livid owl]

I'm so glad I know how to draw or else I'd be broke rn lol

I'm love me character s......

[merry frost]

Happy New Year Folks

[wraith kelp]

umm They are a wizard human in a like purple costume with a purple pointy hat and stars on it, they have a quarter staff and um they want to become the greatest wizard of all times idk what else blue eyes brown bowl cut idk

[wraith kelp]

not for me yet but happy new year!

[viral kraken]

what about component pouches? anything special about their spellbook?

[wraith kelp]

uh i still havent like fully visualized their appereance lol but lets say a leather spell book with like a demogorgon face from stranger things on it

[viral kraken]

that's fun. i should put together a vision board for my character

[wraith kelp]

sure i guess

k

[woven flint]

Why not the D&D demon lord Demogorgons faces? 🧐

[wraith kelp]

lol idk

[woven flint]

He's a bundle of joy!
Both of his heads have their own sentience

[umbral girder]

The double flaming baboon faces

[woven flint]

It's funny, because Demogorgon has THREE whole ass names
Demogorgon is the overall name lmao

[cyan blade]

Is there a place to post resources that I created for free? It's just a couple of PowerPoints about lore.

[woven flint]

His left head is: Aameul
And
His Right heads is: Hethradiah

[idle oar]

#dnd-advertisements for any self promotion even if free

[woven flint]

Do you think Demogorgon would be significantly more powerful if his heads weren't bickering constantly? 🤔

[umbral girder]

Nah

Demons are beings of chaos, he’d likely lose some of that

[woven flint]

Demogorgon locks in, the he loses all of his power lmao

[cyan blade]

Thank you!

[lusty kelp]

Now here's a question. Might Tiamat also be plural? She's got five heads instead of just two.

[minor cargo]

Realms’ first non-binary she/they royalty.

[empty thicket]

if i dont remember bad, most dragons can turn into humans.
In my head i would see tiamat like a strong tall lady, the kind with abs and beauty.
How it wont be like that knowing that such arrogant creature would see herself like the most beauty and strong?

And tattoos around her back being the heads and each time she change of head taking the lead would change her eye//hair color

[coarse ravine]

Ahh like a council i like it

[lusty kelp]

There's a cannon depictation of tiamat's human form

[stoic obsidian]

Does it have five heads?

[coarse ravine]

Yes

White, blue, green, red, black i think. Pretty cool gif for her but cant post that here

[stoic obsidian]

In human form?

[empty thicket]

More like Rhea Ripley, more big and arrogant

[coarse ravine]

She's 5'8

[empty thicket]

that is why i said more big and arrogant

[coarse ravine]

Griner is 6'10 so a Rhea Ripley with size of Griner

[coarse ravine]

Could definitely see the piercings from a humanoid tiamat

[empty thicket]

yep, maybe 7ft because
More around , the idea of having you always down, forcing you to look up. She force you to look up always because she is superior

[full cradle]

Hi!

[empty thicket]

hi there buddy,
favorite class and spell?

[minor cargo]

Whoa wtf?

[coarse ravine]

Hm?

[full cradle]

Actually I don’t know much on dnd,sure I’ve watched bunch of videos of campaigns and… stranger things but like never really played it

[foggy creek]

Anyone ever play the dnd board games? like dungeon of the mad mage?

[empty thicket]

okey okey, so kinda green in this world, that is okey bud

[full cradle]

And idk the rules,but is interested In gameplay

Because how cool is imagining to be in a story with friends

And go on adventures to do side quests and stuff

[minor cargo]

Don’t see you putting out your face in public? Keep this garbage to yourself.

[empty thicket]

Welp, for helping you in starting, there is the channel #dnd-newcomers where you can ask whenever you want

[full cradle]

Important note:I do not have any dnd stuff so I’m here to learn about rules,talk and more,if it’s like impossible to play dnd without a set lol

[empty thicket]

Bro
Isnt that serious, chill, dont need to be rude

[full cradle]

Il check that out!

[coarse ravine]

What garbage? I mean to be frank Tiamat is a dragon she could have raspy voice like griner too. He said a tall woman and pretty. Britney Griner is the tallest women I've ever known.

[minor cargo]

“But pretty”??? Be serious.

[coarse ravine]

Its Tiamat.... yes very very beautiful I imagine. Charisma score 28

[wraith kelp]

hey guys

should i make a wizard spellbook irl

[viral kraken]

could heighten your immersion

[blissful ibex]

also a good reference

[empty thicket]

Would be funny and make some pages have like images and phrases of the spell, Like a casting
Now if you want to upcast the spell would add more words to it so there is an idea that the spell is getting stronger

[wraith kelp]

AVADE KEDAVERA

[timid current]

Charisma isn't "how generically pretty an internet random thinks you are". It's your force of personality

[empty thicket]

More like, lvl 3 fireball = Fireball!!
lvl9 fireball = Fire and ashes, brimston and chaos, i summon fireball for your destruction.

But is understandable if its a hassle to say it each time you throw a spell, having the book would make the remembering less problematic

[timid current]

Tiamat in dragon form is also charisma 28. Does she conform to one person's particular view of attractiveness? (Nope! She's a dragon)

[lusty kelp]

ergo, she conforms to every bard's view of ttractiveness

[coarse ravine]

I think theres a campaign setting where she could be the patron giver or at least the council. It would be unique with the right dm

[cosmic roost]

No pings, please :pray:

If you see someone with “No Pings” in their name, please don’t @ that user. If you Reply to them, please turn the alert @OFF, and if you forget, a simple apology is appreciated. Thank you!

[umbral girder]

We all know Tiamat is the prettiest of all the characters in the game

[coarse ravine]

Have the different heads talking with the dm personalities haha.

[timid current]

She is certainly one of the most charismatic. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder; pun unintended but ultimately unavoidable

[fast latch]

What’s the most evil thing you can do with Modify Memory?

[buoyant oar]

Tiamat 's human form is known as The Dark Lady a mulan woman with long dark hair and completely black eyes. She always wore dark robes and frequently had a seductive smile on her face.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Tiamat?file=Tiamat_3e.png

[coarse ravine]

1 creature with 5 different talking heads to talk to. Yeah im sure its a bards dream

[empty thicket]

Change completely the language of a wizard and he wont understand his whole spell book

[coarse ravine]

Damn.... nah thats cold lol

[fast latch]

Very good idea

[coarse ravine]

Forget common language

[buoyant oar]

Isn't modify memory a single memory?

[woven flint]

Modify Memory doesn't work like that lol

[fast latch]

Wait no, it has to be something within a 10 minute timespan

[fast latch]

Yeah, it doesn’t

[buoyant oar]

and only a memory within the last 24 hours.

[empty thicket]

Fair
IF he left his book in his room or somewhere else, having it in the bag but he forget it

[woven flint]

"While this charm lasts, you can affect the target’s memory of an event that it experienced within the last 24 hours and that lasted no more than 10 minutes. You can permanently eliminate all memory of the event, allow the target to recall the event with perfect clarity, change its memory of the event’s details, or create a memory of some other event."

[loud tendon]

A single event lasting no more than 10 minutes.. yeah.

When the event occurred can be changed based off the level used for the spell..

[uncut zenith]

If I remember correctly (heh) it’s one event within the past 24 hours that lasts no longer than 10 minutes

[woven flint]

You could do that, yes, perhaps.
But unless he learned that language within the past 24 hours in a 10 minute timespan, you can't just erase an understanding of a language

[coarse ravine]

So maybe they finally killed the bbeg that gave the characters nightmares. That killed their family etc and they finally got revenge. Modify memory erased the memory of his death and so his memory of life only remains in their head.

Living in their heads rent free idk what yall think?

Mechanically for 24 hours idk.....

[woven flint]

Also, Wizards have comprehend languages as a ritual, I'm sure forgetting a language wouldn't be too big for them (they could also have it from a feat as well lol)

[buoyant oar]

Modify memory targets a creature not a party

[coarse ravine]

So back to this then what's yalls ideas?

[fast latch]

Depends on spell level

[woven flint]

Murder your enemies parents in front of them and modify their memory to where it looks like their friend got into an argument with their parents and killed them :3

Make sure said friends are present

[minor cargo]

You can cast it on a newborn to make sure they always recall the trauma of birth with perfect clarity.

People kind of have this special thing where we basically fully wipe that memory - but this spells allows you to burn it in forever.

[fast latch]

I was thinking if B is A’s best friend, you could give A a memory of B doing something awful of your choice (Perhaps beating the crap out of them) to them

[buoyant oar]

Remove Curse does just Auto Fix the spell tho

[woven flint]

Modify Memory is so niche but incredibly useful if you can manage a situation where they can deduce the plausibility of something realistically happening

[coarse ravine]

This can be a good one. Questgiver tells one adventurer a quest then leaves. While that adventurer is getting back to the party or adventuring in general they lose the memory of the questgivers instructions.

But then its basically sandbox at that point anyways.

[woven flint]

But, keep in mind:
"An illogical modified memory, such as a false memory of how much the creature enjoyed swimming in acid, is dismissed as a bad dream. The DM might deem a modified memory too nonsensical to affect a creature."

Illogical modified memories can be brushed off
"No that couldn't have happened"s can happen

Set your stages carefully with it :3
Cause life long trauma for the lols

[lucid bobcat]

“Chaos and Ashes, Brimstone and Fire,
Summoning Fires when the situation turns dire,
Starting to burn, when fire did not spare,
Burning bright, turning all to ash without a care.”

-9th Level Fireball vocational casting.

[woven flint]

You know

A Lich that specializes in Enchantments and Illusions would be terrifying

They've possibly had centuries to perfect their ability to manipulate the minds of others

[crisp hatch]

So anyone knows what is the max height and weight of a Giff is? I am in dnd server, I am making a Giff character

But I don’t know how heavy or how tall they can be(I managed to get their age)

[woven flint]

Apparently they can be up to 9 feet tall

As for weight, well, Giff are usually pretty broad and large
Maybe 300-400 something pounds?

Maybe higher than that

[lucid bobcat]

They would weigh about 500-600 pounds I believe.

[minor cargo]

_ Sousuke Aizen_ 👀
He was the big bad in like… Season 3 of Bleach? He had “complete hypnosis” as a power, basically making him impossible to beat as soon as the truth was revealed to you.

[wraith kelp]

ah i wanna play dnd but idk when

im shy kid and idkk

and plus my english is eh ish

[coarse ravine]

As long as you are not 10 feet tall thats fine up to dm. 10 feet is a large creature and you cant be large

[lucid bobcat]

You might be able to try your luck in the #find-a-game channel, and you could always look up local clubs in your area as well and check D&D out there as well.

[loud tendon]

Your English has been fine here so far. When you look for and find a group you can let them know any nervous points you might have and the right table will work with them ie: give you more time to find the words etc

Finding a game can take a while but it is worth the patience.

[knotty pasture]

I was mainly referring to ||Orin the Red||

[wraith kelp]

well i can type it but talking it not so great

my last campaign was a disaster lol

i told my dm that i was shy and i wanted to change my character cuz i didnt like to be a bard and he gave me even bigger character witch needs alot of talking

[boreal mango]

Is it new year yet?

[wraith kelp]

and some members were annoyed so i couldnt continue with my group onto campaign number 2 and cuz some of them didnt like a child in their campaign

[wraith kelp]

for me its in 5 hrs

[coarse ravine]

Yeah maybe dont play a child in a adventuring setting

[wraith kelp]

well i am a child so

[wraith kelp]

and in a movie that the character was it was also an child

[wraith kelp]

have u ever watch umbrella academy?

[knotty pasture]

Yeah in cases like these its probably easier to play a Halfling for example in place of a literal child

[coarse ravine]

Or Lizardfolk as discussed before previously

[knotty pasture]

Not everyone's a fan of children in their party, common consensus is that everyone's an adult for the most part

[wraith kelp]

yea thats why i quited dnd in first place

but im back again

[knotty pasture]

Just play an adult character in dnd lol

[fast latch]

Or play in school with people your age

[empty thicket]

Would be funny in some ways, some sort of chaotic powerful sorcerer child for role play it,
The whole party hidding some bad stuff and the kid making an absolute chaos for the most stoopid tantrum.
Teaching him how to not blow up everything

But yeah, let the kids enjoy their own game and the adults too

[warped jay]

Hello all, game design question/s for ya.

With the release the recent DnD starter set, one of the suggestions was to allow all the players at some point to play the role as the DM during some part of one of the initial zones or quests.

Questions are:

• Do you know of any other "intro to how ttrpg's work" that have a similar effect? (Ie, introduce people roleplaying, help bring people out of their shell etc)
• Do any other ttrpg systems have any written down strategies that may only apply to their systems?

Thanks in advance.

[buoyant oar]

For me as a DM. The idea of a PC bringing "Absolute Chaos" actively ages me. I won't yuck another's yum. But IME real chaotic characters as they are memely portrayed don't last long in most parties.

[low wing]

Hey

I’m new

Is DND fun

And when and how can I play games

[crimson gulch]

I get a lot of chaotic charicters they dismantle my evil plans in unpredictable ways constantly, it's wonderful

[warped jay]

It can be. You can play when you have other people and the how is by getting a copy of the rules and playing.

[buoyant oar]

There is a difference between being unpredictable and full blow unadulterated chaos tho

[low wing]

With who can I play with

[empty thicket]

I have a small question,
If i wanted to do a Cleave attack to like 3 enemies in front of me, how would be?
1 roll for precision and roll half of the damage of the weapon?
count like 1 attack and me being fighter can do it 2 or more times?

[crimson gulch]

Draining the whole deck of many things in one session is something thst happens frequently in my games, it doesn't get more chaotic than that

[crimson gulch]

Weapon attacks target one enemy, there's a weapon mastery ability that gives you an extra attack called cleave though

[empty thicket]

Damn, then i wont be able to do it without some feat that let me have maneuvers

[crimson gulch]

Weapon mastery is something that many classes get at level one now a days

[empty thicket]

oh, okey okey, i will check if in 14 there is such thing or if its 24 edition thing

[crimson gulch]

I am talking about the new players handbook

[empty thicket]

honestly no idea

[cobalt owl]

Give it a check

Masteries are a 2024 thing not a 2014 thing

[fiery nimbus]

wish weapon masteries applied to conjured weapons

[empty thicket]

so that explain it, where i check is 2014, so is a 2024, okey okey

[cobalt owl]

Yeah this is like, edition difference number 1

[humble cairn]

They do apply to Psychic Blades that a Soulknife summons.

[cobalt owl]

And POTB conjures

[fiery nimbus]

meant more the blade of disaster kind of conjuration construct

[cobalt owl]

Well thats a separate ballpark

[crimson gulch]

Spellcasters that get 9th level spells don't need weapon mysteries imo

[fiery nimbus]

that conjured, that conjured same thing

[cobalt owl]

Its a spell

[fiery nimbus]

a conjuration one yes

[cobalt owl]

Still a spell

[fiery nimbus]

it does summon a weapon though, would be nice to have mastery attached

[tawdry valve]

Has anyone else tried using eldritch claw tattoo on an ascendant dragon monk?? I've been have enormous success with it

[cobalt owl]

See it would be nice, but thats not how it works

Nor do I think much is gained by sticking it on

[fiery nimbus]

well yes, hence why i started off saying "wish weapon masteries applied to conjured weapons"

as in they don't have that

and i wish they did

[cobalt owl]

Can't help you when I mr bone man don't see the point or care

[undone fable]

i like dnd when i can

[fiery nimbus]

Anyway, i think im gonna need a back up character for when DM inevitably kills mine

10 AC without a way to increase it in any meaningful way at level 8

[tawdry valve]

Sooo has anyone tried it?

[blissful ibex]

that said, Improved pact weapon out of XGE should have been updated along with Pact of the Blade to remove the now redundant ability to use the weapon as a spellcasting focus to instead give weapon mastery of the conjured weapon

[fiery nimbus]

taken the thing was straight up made for monks, im guess some people did

[boreal mango]

3 mins to new year

[empty thicket]

Time to call the far cousin that found out you died and now want revenge and end the adventure of your party so your soul can rest

[cobalt owl]

I've been in the new year for 5 hours and 27 minutes alreayd

[tawdry valve]

It's actually nuts, combined with some other magic items I have plus ten to hit on unarmed attacks

[fiery nimbus]

its a 10 AC level 8 Warlock specialized in summoning fiends
I do not expect her to live a long life

[calm jolt]

So in 5e paladins can use blades such as swords now?

[blissful ibex]

in a oneshot, yeah IIRC

[tawdry valve]

I need something decent to increase my AC on my jelly boy, problem being he doesn't like things touching him, this includes clothing, anyone have good ideas?

[stuck shuttle]

Pretty sure Paladins could always use swords

[blissful ibex]

My plasmoid is the same way
Barrier Tattoos (small, medium, large; though small is kinda meh)
MI wizard or Eldritch Inititate for mage armor
ring/cloak of protection
wearing a shield

[cobalt owl]

The only thing I can think of is an Ioun stone or mage armor

Technically Animated shield

[calm jolt]

Well in previous editions they could only use maces and blunt weapons

[stuck shuttle]

Which previous edition? Even in 3.5e I’m seeing they don’t have such restructions

[rose wedge]

One of those mystical tatoos that give bonus to main stats I guess? Pay 10kg, get a +2 dex or something. DM dependant.

[calm jolt]

I meant like 1e, 2e, 3e

[wraith kelp]

hello!

[tawdry valve]

Plasmoids are fun characters, I'm surprised people don't play them more

[wraith kelp]

guys i will make dnd theme roblox game maybe it will be my first game so idk what to expect

[cobalt owl]

They're on my list

[blissful ibex]

My favorite species by far

[cobalt owl]

I just haven't gotten around to it, I like Elven Accuracy too much

[calm jolt]

I like humans and elves

[blissful ibex]

I like plasmoids and kobolds c:

[calm jolt]

Half-elves are cool too

[molten pumice]

If this warforged celestial warlock (with levels in glory paladin) and the entertainer background uses the Myriad Forms invocation to occasionally make himself look like a human or some other flesh and blood person... is that enough to justify giving him a name like Pinocchio? The main thing I imagine this guy doing if he ever got played would be dropping out of the sky to smite people with his pact blade lance/pike... but he's a robot who can at any time turn into a "real boy" and throwing the Pinocchio name on him is easier than finding a justifiable variant of the name that fits him, which is more like "DropNeedle" or something.

[tawdry valve]

My character is a plasmoid that air a kobold monk and ended up with a fused consciousness

Are a kobold monk*

Ate***

[calm jolt]

My character was a variant human but switched to a regular human

[blissful ibex]

ye, if you're a monk, disregard mage armor and likely the small barrier tattoo
also shields >.>

[tawdry valve]

Weapons are for chumps

[undone fable]

How do I make a charisma caster

[rose wedge]

Warlock?

[blissful ibex]

bard, sorcerer, warlock, paladin

[tawdry valve]

Arcane trickster, halflinf

[undone fable]

Yes

[calm jolt]

Bards are inspirational

[tawdry valve]

Halfling

[stuck shuttle]

Sorry, I even browsed through the 1e 1975 Greyhawk supplement and I’m still not seeing the restriction 😅 I could just not be searching hard enough though

[blissful ibex]

bard is sustained/support
sorcerer is big damage and modified spells
warlock is sort of build-your-own-class and play more half-castery, spams a lot of eldritch blast
paladin is the tanky half caster

[calm jolt]

I might be thinking of the cleric then

[molten pumice]

Which ruleset are you using? For 2024 the backgrounds play a big role and only a few give a charisma boost... unless you also got the forgotten realms and eberron books

[calm jolt]

It’s hard for me to tell the difference between a paladin and cleric

[blissful ibex]

smite
lots and lots of smite XD

[calm jolt]

And healing powers too I think

[molten pumice]

Personally regardless I like to do a full caster like bard or sorcerer and multiclass them with either a paladin or a warlock. Valor bard really appeals to me in 2024 cause it's got the cantrip inclusive form of extra attack, so mix that with a warlock and it's smooth sailing

[blissful ibex]

they both have decent healing
paladin also has a lot of aura spells

[stuck shuttle]

It’s a bit easier 5e, since Paladins have increasingly gone away from needing to be religious / follow a diety

[molten pumice]

Sorcadin very nice too if you enjoy smiting

[calm jolt]

Lay on hands is the healing your partner spell I think

[blissful ibex]

aura of vitality is a really solid spell as well

[stuck shuttle]

Lay on Hands is a base Paladin feature, not a spell, to be specific

[cobalt owl]

The question is does LOH count as a magical effect\

[calm jolt]

Either way you heal your teammate with it

[stuck shuttle]

But yeah it’s one of Paladin’s great support features

[undone fable]

so is cleric/paladin mad

[cobalt owl]

Enid you know the answer to that one

[calm jolt]

Fighter is my number one favorite class but I definitely like the paladin as well

[stuck shuttle]

Cleric not really, Paladin yeah. Pretty sure you asked that question before though Enid

[cobalt owl]

They have

[undone fable]

I mean can i play a mad cleric/paladin

[cobalt owl]

You can do whatever you want

[tawdry valve]

I've honestly found ChatGPT to be enormously helpful when making new builds

[stuck shuttle]

You’ve also asked that question before

[undone fable]

i had?

[stuck shuttle]

The answer remains the same, you can play whatever you want. No one’s going to stop you from playing a MAD build

[calm jolt]

I wasn’t wanting to create a character I was just thinking of the class that can only use maces

[blissful ibex]

I like druid/warlock c:

[undone fable]

i want to play a cleric/paladin who has gone off the deep end and plays chaotic. not necessarily evil all the time but not good

[cobalt owl]

I've seen druid lock, worked pretty decent

[sour mountain]

Would you rather be a Lich or an Alhoon and why?

[blissful ibex]

run pact of the blade stuff rather than EB

[nova trellis]

Madness Flame Clerics from Elden Ring.

[blissful ibex]

fun that you can use pact slots for wild companion

[tawdry valve]

Sooo my character wants to summon Tiamat for a friendly little chat, how does one do this?

[undone fable]

Life cleric/Glory Paladin

[calm jolt]

I’d rather be friends with a gold dragon

[buoyant oar]

I have lost another 32 seconds of my life

[stuck shuttle]

A good topic for #character-discussion then. What actions and beliefs do they have that makes them chaotic? What actions and beliefs do they have that makes them neither good nor evil?

[rose wedge]

Maybe ask chatgpt.

[stuck shuttle]

Whatever DM kindness allows you a conversation w/o getting killed

[sour mountain]

Would you rather be a Lich or an Alhoon and why?

[buoyant oar]

Lich. Alhoons are mind flayers so my personality is destroyed

[calm jolt]

If I had to pick I’d rather be a lich like Vecna

[undone fable]

i love every class equall

[fiery nimbus]

Invocation armor of shadows?

[sour mountain]

Good points everyone

[blissful ibex]

Druid 15 / Warlock 5 using a Improved pact weapon longbow with thirsting blade and GWM she gets like 2d8+20 +2d8 damage per turn without additional effects or items at 20; and that's without any concentration spells or subclass features on top of it or anything

[fiery nimbus]

@tawdry valve basically next time you get to choose a feat, pick Eldritch Adept and grab shadow armor

[fiery nimbus]

druid warlock? pumping both wisdom and charisma?

[molten pumice]

I love the classes equally, but I love some classes more equally than others.

[blissful ibex]

ye, ends up with like 18wis / 16cha or something

sadly, most of her feats are dex

[calm jolt]

Random question but human or variant human

[stuck shuttle]

Variant

[rose wedge]

Variant gives you more toys I think.

[pulsar fossil]

I wanna try a rogue 17 sorc 3 which subclass is best

[knotty pasture]

Why that combo in particular again

[calm jolt]

Variant humans are apparently more attractive I read

[fiery nimbus]

for rogue or sorc?

[undone fable]

Variant

[pulsar fossil]

Rogue

[dusty lichen]

now i wonder what's the most attractive race

[delicate owl]

Completely Subjective

[undone fable]

I personally love githyanki

[dusty lichen]

objective to world canon?

[cobalt owl]

People like species/race options for different reasons

[pulsar fossil]

I’m talking wild magic

[calm jolt]

Well when it comes to the human race apparently variant humans are more attractive

[pulsar fossil]

For sorc

[dusty lichen]

like.. physical attractiveness u mean, rikght?

[pulsar fossil]

Easy advantage

[calm jolt]

Yes

Maybe my fighter should be a variant human then

[blissful ibex]

GOOlock with pact of the blade, improved pact weapon, thirsting blade, One with Shadows, and Lessons of the First Ones for either toughness or Skilled depending on what's going on and if we have a rogue or not

Druid is wildfire for now, but will switch to Circle of Preservation as soon as it's out of UA

[undone fable]

fighters re okay

[pulsar fossil]

2024 btw

[calm jolt]

Fighter and paladin for me

[undone fable]

how do I make a 2024 warlock? Is this character discussions

[blissful ibex]

True Strike + Innate Sorcery is such a silly combo
was running it before I swapped to warlock for her second class

[pulsar fossil]

Plus tide of chaos

[fiery nimbus]

well the problem is rogue doesn't really interract well with rogues core offensive features so you probably want to ignore sneak attack entirely and use rogue purely for skill monkey potential... in this case take Swashbuckler for bonus initiative

[pulsar fossil]

Get that booming blade lmao

[fiery nimbus]

Swashbuckler scales with charisma

[molten pumice]

I miss swashbuckler... 😔 my favorite rogue

[loud tendon]

The channel you want is #character-discussion

[pulsar fossil]

Is swashbuckler compatible?

In 2024

[fiery nimbus]

yes, its 2014 subclass but there is no rule saying you can't pick it

[molten pumice]

You can technically use the subclass on at 2024 rogue but there isn't a 2024 version of it

[stoic obsidian]

I wonder how a party would react to a blacksmith dragon

[pulsar fossil]

Ik you can use it

[fiery nimbus]

i mean, its one of those things that just make sense

[fresh bloom]

Which D&D creature do you think most closely resembles the form of the oni in Demon Slayer?

[molten pumice]

If WotC really cared about what the players (I) wanted they would cease all production on anything that isn't 2024 versions of genie warlock and swashbuckler and then they would make dragon snd genie centric subclasses for each class.

[pulsar fossil]

Which oni

[fiery nimbus]

aren't Demon Slayer demons just high level casters with regeneration

[pulsar fossil]

Oh the ice

[undone fable]

ranger has dragon and not genie, right?

[pulsar fossil]

Dude

[molten pumice]

Demon Slayer demons are for the most part vampires so the most D&D version of Demon Slayer is a bunch of vampire hunters with sun blades

[stoic obsidian]

Then they lend the party some magic weapons under a magical contract to return them, and the reason because their weapon would become famous, thus adding value

[undone fable]

So we should make that genie subclass!

Homebrew genie ranger!

Cooldown kinda makes messaging slow

[pulsar fossil]

I’d say oni could be close to Dracula

[torn river]

Happy new year

[molten pumice]

Yeah, they had drake warden. Far as I know the official genie subclasses are just Tasha's warlock and heroes of faerun's paladin

[undone fable]

Happy new year

[pulsar fossil]

Since they die slowly in the fire than instant

[fiery nimbus]

Could you give him disciple?
His disciples training weapons sit in the chest in the corner, dragon thinks that he is good enough but his pupil lacks self-confidence so he gives your players the pieces he lovingly crafted and discarded for not being good enough?

[molten pumice]

Did vorpal blades make it to 2024?

[fiery nimbus]

It opens up an opportunity for a follow up encounter @stoic obsidian

[pulsar fossil]

Is their something similar to wild magic in rogue or nah

[molten pumice]

I'm only familiar with magic items up to the rare rarity...

[pulsar fossil]

I want randomness a bit

[fiery nimbus]

barbarian got a wild magic subclass, rogue does not

[pulsar fossil]

But it’s fine if no

[fiery nimbus]

Swashbuckler just works since it actually scales off of your main casting stat

[stoic obsidian]

It does, actually I could make that into a character

[molten pumice]

There are indeed post 24 vorpal blades... if you are immune to slashing damage they don't take your head off, but they can deal an extra 30 slashing damage... which... you'd be immune to... but hey, I guess you wouldn't be going after the "can't be cut" guy with the "cut your head off" blade anyway...

[fiery nimbus]

and thats when fighter said "its pommel time" and pommeled all over the boss

[empty thicket]

Yep

For me fighter is the most simple and effective class in something, get close an enemy, obliterate it and then move to the next.
There is a reason they dont have disengage free like other classes, they must stand their ground

[molten pumice]

"DM, you said he was immune to slashing damage, not 'These Hands™' so I'll state again, I punch him... in the face!"

I was mad about bonus action spell smite once... but it's worth it for punching smites. Let my divine radiance connect with your brain via a swift punch in the nose

[blissful ibex]

2024 pact weapon with the optional Psychic, Radiant, or Necrotic replacement damage types
also shillelagh with the force damage >:3

[empty thicket]

yeah, that is another thing, being a figther i always recomennd having 2 to 3 weapons
Principal
Secondary for what if enemy is immune to the principal damage
Range weapon (Bow or crossbow)

[undone fable]

I love rangers because theyre so pretty

[keen kestrel]

I was too, but more so because it takes away from other bonus actions too

[stoic obsidian]

Wait what about a changeling that transforms into loaners or socially awkward people and interact with people

[keen kestrel]

Honestly, the simplest fix would just make divine smite a once per turn effect

[humble cairn]

The fix to what? Because it can only happen once a turn.

[fiery nimbus]

lawful evil changeling that deals in identities, loaning money to people in exchange for their likeness?

[warped surge]

does anyone have any tips for custom dungeon map creation, im kind of struggling

[stoic obsidian]

More like they give them a life

[keen kestrel]

Basically if they want to limit divine smite, rather than attaching it to BA, make it a separate thing once per turn, thus you still have a BA for doing other little things

[undone fable]

is clone a good spell?

[fiery nimbus]

i mean, they already have their own

[fiery nimbus]

it's a contengancy, once you have this spell expect for DM to kill you
its like feather falling, once someone in your party has it, cliffs are on the table

[molten pumice]

Wait a minute... a valor bard paladin could pop someone in the jaw with a smite and then throw a starry wisp at them...

[blissful ibex]

depends on the campaign / how kill-happy your DM is
if you have wish, just wish to use clone via the basic wish mechanics and prepare something else instead

[humble cairn]

Having played a Paladin, I kinda like how it is.

[keen kestrel]

I’ve come to terms with divine smite being limited, I just wish it didn’t also consume your bonus action is all

[stoic obsidian]

Think about like they took on their appearance, and like ask out their crush, disappear, and then the real person is like “wait I did what?”

[undone fable]

what level spell is clone

[blissful ibex]

8th, so a level 15+ wizard would potentially have access to it

[tawdry valve]

What happens when Tiamat, Bahamut, and Null are in the same general area? I want to have a meeting and tell them to get over their shit

[humble cairn]

Divine Smite is now normalized as one of the Smite spells, the basic one. Some of the subclasses have stuff that happens when you use it. Otherwise you use it as one of the options that you have, the other ones having extra effects.

[keen kestrel]

Yeah, but I think that the bonus action should be using one of the special smites, but if you only want extra damage then normal smite should just be a once per turn type deal rather than on a BA

[fiery nimbus]

yea i would still put them in firmly evil category, identity theft is not a joke

[keen kestrel]

That way you can still use smite on a reaction attack too

[humble cairn]

But why?

[stoic obsidian]

More like neutral

[humble cairn]

You do get Radiant Damage on opportunity attacks, with Radiant Strikes.

[keen kestrel]

So you can use your bonus action on a number of other things?

[serene jolt]

I'd love it if they also didn't make Divine Smite a spell. That was also one of my friend's qualms with the new paladin (he's a paladin main). DMs can counterspell it and that's silly.

[blissful ibex]

or with War Caster and True Strike in 2024 c:

[keen kestrel]

That too, it should just be an effect (I don’t mind if the special ones count as spells though)

[timid current]

A dm that counterspells a smite ID A dm that isn't counterspelling a fireball

Opportunity cost and eating resources is all good

[serene jolt]

Perhaps but it's a feel bad moment for the paladin who just critted for the first time in a week.

[fiery nimbus]

oh no, DM counterspelled my smite
if I only had 2 casters foaming at their mouths to unload their most powerful spells in their arsenal free of charge

[undone fable]

Divine smite should have been a once a turn ability, not a ba spell

[keen kestrel]

That’s what I’m saying!

[blissful ibex]

doesn't even burn your spell slot anymore; just the BA

[serene jolt]

I totally agree. Free action, once per turn ability.

[serene jolt]

Yeah and if they don't crit again, they can just cry about it Ig. XD

[blissful ibex]

if they want to crit, they need to chase advantage then XD
get those enemies prone

[serene jolt]

I crit like once a week while playing multiple games per week (with advantage on some of those characters). I couldn't imagine a paladin who has my same luck.

That's why I don't play paladin

[timid current]

There's... so much more to being a paladin than gambling

You have spells, an aura, martial capability, channel divinity

[serene jolt]

If I want to play a paladin, I'd play a cleric.

[naive cedar]

cleric and Paladin are not rhe same lol

[timid current]

That seems weird but to each their own

[serene jolt]

But that's just my mindset on it. I only think paladin is cool for the smites.

[keen kestrel]

Divine smite is part of the paladins identity, and some channel divinity are tied to smite as well

[timid current]

Divine smite is yes

[keen kestrel]

Also, just play oath of vengeance if you’re crit fishing

[fiery nimbus]

Frankly Paladin should always know all of their smites

[timid current]

Putting all your enjoyment on a 1/20 chance of doing an extra 2d6 or whatever damage is very weird to me

[serene jolt]

Most paladins channel divinities don't entice me like the clerics. And the auras I very rarely ever see actually help anyone when we have paladins.

[timid current]

Do your dms ever cast spells or impose saving throws?

[serene jolt]

Spells, rarely. Saving throws, often. But I rarely see any of the auras helping anyone except the paladin sometimes.

[timid current]

Having a non spell boost to saving throws is amazing

[scenic zinc]

Smite is probably the least interesting feature of a paladin in my mind.

[timid current]

That may be a difference in what your perceive the ability to do and what it does

[wraith kelp]

my earss 😭

[serene jolt]

I almost made a Paladin once but then I last minute made her a Cleric.

The last time I played Paladin, I was bored out of my mind.

So maybe it's just not for me.

[fiery nimbus]

paladins auras are always in effect, frankly that alone makes auras useful

[timid current]

Sounds like it!

[naive cedar]

My favourite is cleric so I understand

[scenic zinc]

Eh? How did being any specific class make the game boring?

[serene jolt]

I have nothing against people who play paladin but every time I try, I'm like "alright that was something, new character time"!

[serene jolt]

If you play a character/class/subclass/build you don't enjoy, normally it doesn't help you enjoy the game either.

[scenic zinc]

My mechanics don't determine how much fun I have.

[serene jolt]

Good for you? I don't know what to say to that. Lol.

[scenic zinc]

A character exists beyond their mechanics.

[serene jolt]

You can play a character and be fine with them in RP but if you don't enjoy them when mechanics come up, then what entices you to keep playing them?

[molten pumice]

I've recently fallen for the war cleric bonus action attack, and Clerics are indeed very neat across the board, but I'm a big hitting things guy, and for me, not much hits like a SMITE hits.

[scenic zinc]

If you're not enjoying the mechanics, fine. But I don't see how mechanics can actively make you bored of a character.

[serene jolt]

Because I wasn't enjoying them in-game. /g

[fiery nimbus]

lack of tools relevant for the game can absolutely make things boring

[molten pumice]

Really the only reason I ever gave attention to rogues was because of sneak attack. Made 1 just to diversify one time, rolled an attack, saw all those extra dice, and was hooked

[timid current]

Smite tends to sound like a bigger deal than it is. Rogue can do the big hit every turn, without resource expenditure, and the crits are bigger.

[serene jolt]

I don't know what else to say to it. But if I play a class, subclass, or build that I don't enjoy, then I don't enjoy it.

[scenic zinc]

okay ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Just a difference between how you play and how I play.

[timid current]

Smite had always been "spending a slot inefficiently for a bit more damage" but it has been built up as this catastrophically huge single hit nuke

[serene jolt]

And vise versa. If I enjoy someone's mechanics and build but they are a drag in RP, then I'm uninterested

[molten pumice]

Yeah, but the sound of smite is part of it. The fantasy of my fist/weapon glowing when I hit things is very enticing to me. Very Yuji Itadori

[scenic zinc]

That's why I don't make characters where the two don't mesh.

I don't multiclass unless it makes narrative sense, for example.

I don't take feats that wouldn't make sense narratively.

[serene jolt]

I'll make characters where they sound good on paper and then I play them in a few sessions and I find they're just a drag in either combat or RP.

[fiery nimbus]

again depends on the game
some people don't tool for social and feel left out if there is no combat

[scenic zinc]

I make a character narratively, and then choose the mechanics that fit that narrative.

And then they progress that way during play as well. I don't make "builds". I make characters.

[keen kestrel]

Sometimes I do it in reverse, decide on the build I technically want to play then start crafting a character and story around it lore wise (though I mostly stick to mono classes)

[fiery nimbus]

I first figure out the mechanics i want my character to use
and than go along with the character

Hence why most of my characters end up on the weaker end since i like gimics

[timid current]

It's part of why I hate optimization discourse. It's always "how to optimize to most damage according to the internet Hive mind" rather than "how best to achieve this cool image I have in my head"

[naive cedar]

not to mention the hive mind “Ranger bad!!! Monk bad!!!”

[scenic zinc]

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying to mean that everything is created with a bent toward the social. Sometimes that's true, others not. Depends on the character.

[echo agate]

Im personally that but reverse, i really dont give a care for the general RP of paladin or cleric, mechanics wise, cleric is super interesting though

[timid current]

I would way rather help someone achieve making their off brand anime character able to do the thing they want to do than see another "the only optimal choice is this weapon with 0.05 more dps" or whatever

[keen kestrel]

They’re not bad, they just got the bad end of the stick for certain mechanics

[blissful ibex]

I multiclass as a rule XD
1~5 points of MC gets you a lot of interesting mechanical space to play in that can really make your character feel unique. Only issue being you need to be aware and knowledgeable about what you're doing so as to not fall to far behind your single class party members

But then-again, I am far more mechanically motivated when playing than RP motivated

[scenic zinc]

I personally dislike the very concept of builds.

[naive cedar]

yeah that is true, but it’s the idea that people shouldn’t play them because of that that bothers me. it’s a roleplaying game. the point is to roleplay

[molten pumice]

Maybe it's just because I make characters infinitely more than I play the game (2 of my 714 characters have been used in actual sessions) but I feel like you can justify any build you want narratively. I mean of course when you are leveling up and taking the feats and such you're gonna be like "well this makes more sense for my guy" but saying you only make narrative choices sounds to me like you wouldn't multiclass into rogue unless you found yourself playing into rogue stereotypes in the story, and I feel like that stuff limits things unnecessarily. I have plenty of rogues but very few of them would ever brood in a tavern corner, even less so the ones who multiclassed into it.

[keen kestrel]

When I say a build, I don’t really mean that I’m playing some optimal thing, more like “I want to play a frost based draconic sorcerer, let’s build a cool backstory around someone like that”

[naive cedar]

for me it’s more about “how does their class change their perspective/story/whatever”

[blissful ibex]

It also terribly shoehorns each class into those stereotypes

[scenic zinc]

By this, I mean that the concept strips a character of who they are and views it only as a collection of mechanics.

[knotty pasture]

Isn't the mechanics part of a character however

A build is simply the sum of a bunch of mechanics put together

[keen kestrel]

Like I made a draconic sorcerer, mechanically he does lots of fire damage since that’s his lineage, but lore wise he does it because he’s rebelling against his great something dragon grandmother who still runs the family (but she still adore him)

[naive cedar]

it’s a part but it’s not all of it

[scenic zinc]

That's the very issue. And a character is so much more than a collection of mechanics.

[molten pumice]

I think the collection of mechanics inherently influences who a character is. A celestial warlock who started as a valor bard is gonna be different from a pure celestial warlock and they'll both be different from a vengeance paladin who got warlock levels after being revivified.

[blissful ibex]

A character existing beyond their mechanics works both ways; you can have a 'build' and still reflavor/play/explain/justify it however you want

[knotty pasture]

But you can't really avoid putting a bunch of mechanics together either, cuz otherwise that's just roleplay without the context of dnd

[molten pumice]

I don't know that you have to limit your mechanical choices to what would be narratively obvious to make your choices narratively relevant, is what I think I'm trying to get at

[keen kestrel]

Like you can still take war caster even if your cleric doesn’t like fighting

[scenic zinc]

You're viewing it through the lens of those classes even being labels that exist in a given world.

A magical warrior is a magical warrior whether they're a paladin or a ek fighter or a swords bard. A mage is a mage whether they're a sorc or a wizard or a druid, etc.

That's even part of the point of MC, to create identities that fit an undefined class.

[blissful ibex]

having access to a bredth of mechanics or being very, very good at a core set of abilities are what make the mechanical side of the game fun

having the perfect tool for the job or being able to overcome incredibly difficult DC odds to shift the path of the neritive is a big part of playing the game

[molten pumice]

Yeah, they don't like fighting but fights keep finding them and just from the nature of being in battle they've gotten better at casting magic in rough situations. It's not necessarily what the characters pacifist arc would have you assume they'd get, but it makes perfect sense if they're in a combat heavy narrative

[scenic zinc]

That's explicitly stated in the ruleset.

[fiery nimbus]

Well that is a fair point, any magical caster might be simply known as a magician
does your character knows they belong to a specific class? does the term for the class even exist?

There also might not be any real difference between Wizard and Druid in that case

hell they might have studied under the same master

[wraith kelp]

guys what should i make my spell book look like?

[fiery nimbus]

im partial to carving sigils into my own bones

[naive cedar]

idk I think there’s some significant differences between druid and Wizard. a better comparison might be druid and nature cleric

[scenic zinc]

Tattoos

[fiery nimbus]

better yet, a prostetic

[blissful ibex]

Tattoos on the party's barbarian

[fiery nimbus]

"Please wash your armpits, i can't cast this spell like that"

"is that a dot or a mole?"

[blissful ibex]

incredibly funny naritively, but would likely get old fast

scrimshaw could also be fun

or have them wear a beaded cloak or shawl and have the spells encoded on there

[fiery nimbus]

hence why i propose a prostetic, an elaborate craft of arcane magic covered in sigils and runes

[molten pumice]

I'm all for the setting that doesn't use the strict terminology of the game mechanics to describe people. I think that only makes it easier to justify your mechanics looking like whatever you want though. My guy who has been cutting people for 18 sessions started making his sword glow when he cuts around session 5, guess he learned a spell. If he's all about taking good care of his family's sword and wants to finish any fight as quickly as possible so he can clean the blood off of it ASAP, then how he hits harder can be justified by any mechanic, the narrative thing is that he's trying to use his sword less and less

[fiery nimbus]

i am also partial to a fake eye

[molten pumice]

Maybe he goes full wizard and only draws his sword for steel wind strike

[fiery nimbus]

that does go incredibely hard, keep cooking please

[blissful ibex]

or just resorts to channelling magic through it so as to not have it get beat up

[fiery nimbus]

i feel like this realisation just unshackled my mind, ive gained deeper understanding of character creation

I am... free

[blissful ibex]

ruby of the warmage is a lovely item

the #0 rule in dnd is flavor is free

you can explain or reflavor things however you want so long as it uses base mechanics, or homebrew mechanics approved by your DM

the rules are more or less just a loose collection of guidelines that allows everyones characters to exist in the same world and interact with eachother

just pick whatever makes you happy mechanically and explain it in a way your character would have done the thing™

[molten pumice]

There's a lot that irks me in D&D, but nothing so much as the "do anything" game being shackled to a collection of class/species/background stereotypes. I get the appeal of simplifying junk for the tiktok or YouTube shorts audience if you're a content creator, but beyond that I'd actively suggest looking at your character as an individual outside of the class stereotype. If my genie paladin sees a muscular genie woman, he is going to flirt with her and ask if she grants wishes in exchange for kisses, anyone who makes a bard joke when he does is gonna have to avoid a few smites

😔 I cracked under the pressure and got the eberron book last night, but the little bit of financial responsibility I have has stopped me from getting the forgotten realms book. I do not have a genie paladin...

[crimson gulch]

The forgotten realms books are amazing

[blissful ibex]

I went the other way round
not a huge fan of artificer myself but moon bard and spellfire sorcerer are both lovely

[crimson gulch]

I have launched 3 campaigns in the last few months off off the content in the adventurers book

[molten pumice]

I just... desperately needed a repeating pistol and a returning hammer

[blissful ibex]

fair

[molten pumice]

Plus changeling, my beloved changeling

In all honesty, artificer was cherries to the reason I got the eberron book. Eberron has trains (not the reason, but gotta love a good train)

[blissful ibex]

well, there's always next time to pick it up
besides, if you wait a few months you might be able to more easily pick up a physical copy second hand for a bit of a discount c:

[empty thicket]

i would like a returning spear ngl, so i can use throwing weapon style like secondary and dont have to worry of loosing it

[blissful ibex]

I run trident in low levels for my druid/lock for a melee weapon and being able to resummon it as a bonus action with pact of the blade is just really cool

[sweet ridge]

Dnd related but kinda off topic, are they playing 5e in stranger things?

[molten pumice]

I do everything through DDB unfortunately, so it'll probably be a while before the books I want are old enough for them to have a significant sale. I at least got the legendary pack a few years back, so I get a tiny lil discount on every book

[blissful ibex]

IIRC they play ADND except with a few anachronistic things from 2e and 3/3.5e

have not watched the show though

[sweet ridge]

I watched the first episode and they said something about sorcerers

[blissful ibex]

unless they changed to the new stuff in a newer season or something

[sweet ridge]

the sorcerer CLASS i mean

[empty thicket]

sadly im no warlock,but luckily i have an artificer that isnt using her infusions, only have one active in my crossbow

[blissful ibex]

that's part of the anacronism IIRC

[sweet ridge]

okay thats all thank you dnd discussion in dungeons and dragons community discord server

[molten pumice]

When I got to play my genie warlock back in the covid times, my DM did not allow me to switch my pact weapon as a bonus action. Now 2024 says with no bones about it that you can swap your weapon as a bonus action, and I desperately need to play a guy who uses a different thing nearly every turn

[timid current]

Just a reminder D&D isn't and never was the "do anything" game. It's a heroic fantasy rpg with a rules focus on combat and robust rules for ensuring that combat is within certain expected power levels

That's why you need house rules to do grimdark, or sci fi, or low magic or whatever

[blissful ibex]

I start druid but go 2 levels warlock for improved pack weapon and go longbow, trident, and maybe warhammer

[timid current]

That's not to say you aren't allowed to play other things, just that d&d isn't specifically built for them

[blissful ibex]

no str though so no reach weapons for me unless its whip

[empty thicket]

Yep, at the end of the day is an adventure game.
You can add some layers of stuff but all must be around the idea of "adventure"

[blissful ibex]

I mean, they have rules that support those other things, and your dm can adjust encounter difficulty or make access to magic items more scarce; all within the basic ruleset, or just adding an additional expansion book or two

[cosmic roost]

No pings, please :pray:

If you see someone with “No Pings” in their name, please don’t @ that user. If you Reply to them, please turn the alert @OFF, and if you forget, a simple apology is appreciated. Thank you!

[blissful ibex]

oop, soz

[timid current]

Yes, there are supplemental resources, third party resources, and homebrew, and again, no reason you would be disallowed. I'm only saying that the core system is heroic fantasy with a well managed power scale

It isn't built as GURPS. it's built as Dungeons and Dragons

[molten pumice]

D&D may not mechanically be the do anything game, but I call it that because that's what it got this big marketing itself as. It says "greatest role playing game" on the box, and when new people ask what they can do, vets tell them "anything" regardless of how mechanically accurate that is. D&D's narrative is that it's the due anything game, and when people try to take that away by pigeon holding people into their perfect little paladin stereotype box, it defeats the purpose of coming to the table to tell stories with characters of your own. You could get more out of a video game with how some people treat D&D, which to me, seems antithetical to the whole system

[blissful ibex]

but who's to say your longbow isn't a rifle
or your maul isn't a really close range shotgun
or your wizard isn't a hacker that can cause things to occur with enviornmental effects and manipulating the machines in a magitech setting

just down to setting/flavor for a lot of it as well

[timid current]

I'm not saying don't experiment and have fun. Or that you need to do everything by the book. Just that the book is a set of things that can be worked with and around

[molten pumice]

There's some clip out there somewhere in the mega man battle network anime where the computer program monster of the week uses gravity based hacking to cause craters in the real life road... to this day I think about that. Wizard hackers are scary.

[hot marlin]

Yeah the whole "flavour something as something completely different" is... Well, at that point, why not try a game that actually supports your character having a shotgun or being a hacker manipulating the machines in a magitech setting?

[timid current]

When im not rushing through the end of my work day, I'll post about hackers in infinity in the non dnd channel. Hacking is scary when all your equipment and even your personality are attached to networks

[molten pumice]

I also think about the decaprio Romeo and Juliet movie where all the guns are called swords because the dialog is script accurate. A very fun movie.

[blissful ibex]

Because a lot of places don't have a lot else but dnd being played, or people are more comfortable playing it vs those games, or you just want to have a silly little guy that narritively works a bit differently but can easily slot into the framework

[molten pumice]

Because then you have to learn and maneuver through an entirely new game to accomplish something you could do in five minutes with the game you want to play.

[timid current]

I think the lack of other games is not a fault of how d&d is written

[blissful ibex]

not saying it is, but you work with the tools you have

[hot marlin]

It's not that hard learning a new game. And it's more rewarding

[timid current]

Mmmhm. And the tools for other games are out there!

Many games are free to get started. And playing other games can increase your enjoyment of D&D too

[blissful ibex]

but your TTRPG/friend group might not be interested in it, and there might not be good options locally to play those games

[timid current]

Again, that's nothing to do with D&D

It isn't a D&D problem that other people don't want to play other things

[molten pumice]

If that's what you want to do, but my isekaied battle master fighter with a real life gun who is shooting orcs in Faerun or crashing his truck into a dragon is significantly different than learning all of cyberpunk red just so I can engage with none of those fantasies.

[blissful ibex]

yet it's the reality of some of the perople who play dnd

[naive cedar]

i think people need to play more non-dnd ttrpgs tbh. i see this a lot with people who complain that dnd doesnt work in settings that the game is not designed for

[timid current]

D&D does what it does very well, and you can homebrew or use third party content to coax different game styles out of it

At this point though you're getting mad at McDonald's because you want taco bell and there isn't a taco bell in your city

[blissful ibex]

that's not the same at all XD

[timid current]

McDonald's doesn't do tacos. You could perhaps eat a big Mac on its side, but it isn't the fault of McDonald's that nobody else wants a taco bell

[blissful ibex]

it's like getting mad because the icecream store has 40 flavors and you think everyone should be eatting vanilla or maybe chocolate because it's the most tried and true/tradtional flavors

[timid current]

But you're yelling at vanilla here

Not yelling at the store or the other people

[molten pumice]

Other games are great if you want to play other games, I like what I've read and seen of daggerheart, and I read the pdf for quest almost cover to cover, but the idea that if I want to do a D&D thing with a twist it means I actually want to play an entirely different game is very frustrating.

[hot marlin]

Which D&D thing with a twist?

[timid current]

I get the frustration of wanting something other than d&d and it not being available, but that is not a fault in d&d's rules

[hot marlin]

I need an example, it's all a bit too abstract for me right now

[blissful ibex]

yet you're saying that people shouldn't use dnd's rules to play those things and should just try to play something that might not be available to them instead because it's not a good fit for the existant framework

[timid current]

No, I'm not saying that

I'm saying that it requires effort, homebrew, third party stuff, because it isn't built for that

I haven't said not to play that stuff at all. Just that it isn't going to be as easy as playing what the system is designed for

[blissful ibex]

yes, but that doesn't mean its not worth doing
and even without doing that there is a wide degree of flexibility with the core rules and reflavoring

[molten pumice]

When I used to go to subway, I had them make me the sandwich that was most like a pepperoni pizza, because I would eat a pepperoni pizza, but not a meatball sub. The subway flatbread pepperoni sandwich is not a pepperoni pizza and to be told I have to leave subway to eat a pepperoni pizza at a pizza place when I came into subway for a sandwich that does pizza things would be ridiculous.

[snow zephyr]

Genre purism makes sense to a degree for D&D because there are so many subgenres

[timid current]

Nobody has said it's not worth it

Only that it is not a fault in the heroic fantasy game rules that it is built for heroic fantasy

[hot marlin]

I would agree that many attempts to homebrew stuff for D&D often require more effort than just getting another game that simply does that

[snow zephyr]

Call of Cthulhu is underrated

[timid current]

Please stop putting words into my mouth, I've got enough in there already

[snow zephyr]

Huh?

[timid current]

Huh what?

[snow zephyr]

Who put words in your mouth?

[blissful ibex]

i'm not saying it is the fault of the system it doesn't have tailored rules for other tropes/settings/characters, I'm saying you can use existent stat blocks and mechanics to represent some of those things, with or without additional rulebooks

[timid current]

meabhy and I are having a conversation

[snow zephyr]

Ah

[timid current]

They keep saying that I said it's not worth it/not to try something. I haven't said that

In fact I have outlined different ways to do that (homebrew & third party)

[blissful ibex]

which are very fine ways to go about that, yes

[timid current]

I don't know how else I can say "d&d is built for this thing, so it is easiest to use it for this thing. You can change it to do other things"

[molten pumice]

If what I want is to play D&D, but I also want to shoot someone with a real gun™ there are plenty of D&D ways to shoot people with a real gun, some are cool, some are less interesting, but even though there are games about shooting things with real guns, those games fail to be me playing D&D, so if the core of what I want is D&D, any non-D&D thing is immediately disqualified regardless of how much I would enjoy it on a day where I want to play an espionage game about sniping people from across the city scape.

[timid current]

It isn't a failing of the system to do what it is designed to do

[snow zephyr]

You can also just use guns in D&D

[blissful ibex]

we aren't saying it is; we're saying the rules allow you to represent them differently in a narrative fashion while having it still mechanically being the same game

[snow zephyr]

"Flavor is free" is a cop-out for a lack of settings books

[blissful ibex]

sorry if wording gets a bit janky, I usually edit posts to clean them up but am trying not to to avoid pinging you

[molten pumice]

That's what we're talking about for the most part. D&D does the things it does, and those things are real neat. Sometimes people get mad that those things aren't the things they want, which is like... yeah, nothing can be everything, but some people see someone put a pineapple (flavor) on their pizza (d&d) and insist that what they actually want is a fruit salad (other ttrpg) which annoys me greatly. If D&D is your game, then it's your game regardless of the angle you approach it from.

[scenic zinc]

DnD is not meant to be an everything system.

[molten pumice]

Cop-out implies it's the fault of the players putting in the flavor that the company making the game didn't account for every possible idea.

[snow zephyr]

The pineapple pizza used to be in a setting book

[scenic zinc]

People who treat it as such should find other games that fulfill those fantasies.

[keen shadow]

Rule 7 is inherently racist & that is not up for nuance.

[molten pumice]

Would I like a skateboard in D&D? Sure. Am I gonna hound the coast wizards for a book about D&D Los Angeles? Not anytime soon

[coarse ravine]

I feel like artificers should know how to make bicycles and skateboards

Whether the skateboards can go on grass is another topic

[snow zephyr]

That would probably be in ebberon with the hoverboard tech

[coarse ravine]

Server rule 7?

[molten pumice]

I want a shield with wheels on it that I can use to zoom across the map and kick up between me and an oncoming attack.

[blissful ibex]

The one about this being an english language server and to use english so that everyone can follow what is being said

[snow zephyr]

D&D used to have a lot of stuff in it that's just gone now

[worldly flare]

#looking-for-players

[molten pumice]

Hoverboards need not apply to my skateboard poster actually, I have the broom of flying if I want to stand on a flying thing. My and hoverboards are covered.

[blissful ibex]

For example, I'd really like to find a 5e 2024 gestalt game, except they haven't printed that optional ruleset since 3.5e

[snow zephyr]

How about a windsurfing board powered by elementals

Airship shantytowns

[coarse ravine]

Eh idk if its racist as its more of what will be culturally expected and accepted. But if you have a auto English translator then you can make it work.
If you walk into the giants den only talking and or understanding abysal. Dont expect the giant speakers to understand and communicate abysal. Find a way to speak giant to hold conversations

[blissful ibex]

There's also hobby fourms in other languages that encourage using said languages; it's just an inherent part of language as a concept that if you come to an english speaking server using another language, you're likely not going to have a good user experience wehn you cannot understand what others are saying and they cannot understand you

a lot of hobby servers will be general english and then have other languages in threads/fourms

it's also a moderation issue, if the mods don't speak the language, they can't effectively do their job

[hot marlin]

The person who started that subject left the server

[coarse ravine]

Touche in defense of that

[halcyon forum]

wrong. I dont think its reasonable to add a ton of moderators and extra language channels to cover more spoken languages. this is a massive server and the ability to communicate for everyone needs to be maintained.

[undone fable]

I love charisma casters

[wraith kelp]

ah guys ima go look for a game wish me luck

[undone fable]

I also love wisdom casters.

I also also love intelligence casters.

[snow zephyr]

Strength casters are where it's at

[molten pumice]

🫡 may your 20s be all natty

[undone fable]

Psions are ... intelligence based?

[coarse ravine]

I love caster casters too

[naive cedar]

i love constitution casters

[hot marlin]

I'll do you one better: Constitution casters

[wraith kelp]

im just too shy for dis

[hot marlin]

Damn too late

[severe rampart]

got got by an alleycat

[naive cedar]

i won initiative

[coarse ravine]

Alert Alleycat

[keen kestrel]

Gloomstalker alley cat

[molten pumice]

I'm starting a petition for every weapon to get a light&finesse version, and for weapons that already have both light and finesse to get reach and versatile variants added. For... no particular reason of course

[keen kestrel]

I think so yes

[undone fable]

i love dex castors

[naive cedar]

which class and subclass would best fit a cat

[severe rampart]

there are Dex casters?

[undone fable]

swarmkeeper ranger.

[keen kestrel]

Ranger gloom stalker obviously

[snow zephyr]

Wild magic sorc

[coarse ravine]

I mean every weapon needs some kind of finesse to weild it properly.

[blissful ibex]

Not a huge fan of CHA casters but love Wis/Cha casters

[molten pumice]

I need a rogue who can flatten someone with a big hammer...

[severe rampart]

Rogue Thief perhaps

[naive cedar]

i was also thinking rogue thief

[snow zephyr]

If you Rube Goldberg hard enough then that's absolutely possible

[naive cedar]

they get a bonus on pushing things off of tables

[halcyon forum]

cats are rogues 100%

[keen kestrel]

Not to point out the contradiction here…

[severe rampart]

I don't think a rogue could home alone someone mid-combat

[coarse ravine]

Druid 100% a house cat has been ruled as one of natures most dominant predators in relations to the amount of pray it can accumulate. So the house cat finally stepping out into the big wilderness to learn to control and become other big cats sounds thematical

[severe rampart]

I mean, you could just play a druid that uses wildshape to turn into a cat

[snow zephyr]

With enough determination, and haste/slow time spells, anything is possible

[blissful ibex]

just don't like the sorcerer spell list, bard is kinda meh in how it's just every class suddenly at 10+, don't like most of tha CHA skills because I'm not big into RP, and warlock is like a 1/3 caster at best

[molten pumice]

If you cut a rope and the rope drops an anvil on a dragon, did your blade slay the dragon? Survey says no, more on this at 6

[snow zephyr]

Way of the Looney Toons monk

[coarse ravine]

Way of the breaking the 4th wall.

[keen kestrel]

I love the sorcerer spell list ngl, but I get how bards feel, they do too much

[molten pumice]

I'm confident WotC is cooking up the toon force source book with 13 toon based subclasses as we speak. What else could they be up to?

[blissful ibex]

really like ranger, but it's not enough of a caster class (would prefer 3/4 to 1/2) so I end up with warlock for the really, really fun and interesting 'build your own class' aspect of it and 15 levels of druid as the primary class c:

[coarse ravine]

Magical secrets they can just be whatever at some point.

[molten pumice]

Clearly top priority over there is my Roger rabbit barbarian build

[strong wave]

Spinning around in office chairs until they frow up

[coarse ravine]

Need that Jessica

[keen kestrel]

I like just playing a warlock all the way through, though I find druids boring personally

[coarse ravine]

Druids are definitely not boring

[blissful ibex]

I just am not a huge fan of a lot of instantanious spells, and prefer concentration spells, buffs/debuffs, CC, healing, utility, etc

[strong wave]

Druids are op

[coarse ravine]

Talking to plants, talking to animals, talking to dm about nature you are commuting with.

[keen kestrel]

Honestly, bards get everything, make them suffer like the martials do

[blissful ibex]

druid has a lot of all of that and wildshape, even if I rareely ever use it, is a nice tool to have

[coarse ravine]

Lots of exploration options for druids.

[severe rampart]

Deadpool Monk when

[blissful ibex]

also find familiar

[keen kestrel]

So like, I still think druids are boring. I’m not big on nature stuff sorry

[snow zephyr]

Barbarian is underrated as a Roleplaying class

[blissful ibex]

Like I want a class halfway between druid and ranger effectively
and warlock gets me some fun tools and a bit more diverse list of okayish skills in the event I need them

[molten pumice]

Jessica Rabbit cemented herself through infinity off of one movie appearance and I feel like I have to be missing a long running Roger Rabbit show with how adored she is. I'm gonna turn around and learn that there have been 35 seasons of the Roger and Jessica show this whole time.

[coarse ravine]

Most versatile class in dnd. While also being S tier in exploration

Def wouldn't call it "boring" but to each their own

[keen kestrel]

I know Druids are STRONG, but I just don’t inherently enjoy playing them

Like mechanics being strong isn’t all that entices me to play a particular character

[blissful ibex]

I'm the same with sorcerer so fair XD

[coarse ravine]

Exactly to each their own

[molten pumice]

I like druids, but I feel like the kind of characters I play wouldn't make enough use of wildshape, and so much of post-24 druid is "you can use your wild shape to not be a dog" that it feels kinda like we lost the plot. Did just make a neat lil sea druid though.

[blissful ibex]

also like the flavor of monk and the fun passives and bonus actions but am not a huge fan of their playstyle >.>

[keen kestrel]

I like how I can flavor a warlock pact or a sorcerers lineage, but for Druids I just don’t get how to rp them in a way that is fun for me

[snow zephyr]

Poisoner barbarian feels like something that could be interesting

[turbid vessel]

From the way I see it, diversifying the use of wildshape would entice a lot of players to try it out more, if just becoming an animal doesn't interest them

[blissful ibex]

I mean they also give you the ability to conver spellslots into wildshape charges so you can do both things if you want to

[keen kestrel]

Don’t a lot of the subclasses offer additional options to use wildshape on?

[blissful ibex]

it's all about giving the player more options, and not having them feel constrained to playing moon druid

[turbid vessel]

That's what I'm saying. There's more options in 2024, and my assumption is that more players are going to be interested in druid because of it

[coarse ravine]

I begin picking up the dirt. Perceiving the molecules and energy the earth is ingesting. Smelling the air which way its blowing, along with listening to the sounds of life all around me

"Dm im using druidcraft what's the weather tomorrow "?

[keen kestrel]

I don’t wanna do any of those things though

[molten pumice]

😲 long time no see! 👋 but yeah, I definitely prefer druid who can be a warden and flex in armor with a neat hawk to "you must be, the forest man!" But I also feel like warden land druids end up kinda hard to justify when next door are beast master rangers.

[keen kestrel]

I don’t wanna touch grass

[blissful ibex]

Like I love druid but moon druid is the least interesting subclass for me on there
My ideal druid is Circle of Preservation (currently UA), but also like dreams quite alot

[coarse ravine]

2014?

[wraith kelp]

guys where should i write and paste into the book like i will print it

[blissful ibex]

both, I just don't like the subclass in general

[coarse ravine]

If you want to teleport like dreams does just go wildfire.

[blissful ibex]

I'm on wildfire while I wait for preservation

[coarse ravine]

Wildfire let's you teleport everyone every round as a bonus action

[keen kestrel]

Sorry, my favorite classes are sorcerer/warlock/paladin (maybe i should put that in my name)

[turbid vessel]

A lot of our perception of what "nature" can be is constrained to what we've learned based on our environment and culture. What helped me enjoy druids more was wrapping my head around new ways to interpret nature

[keen kestrel]

I just… don’t like nature tbh

[coarse ravine]

Moon is quite amazing after level 10. Like op type amazing thats why it was nerfed in 2024

[coarse ravine]

As a druid you are basically a walking cataclysm

[keen kestrel]

The same could be said for most classes by level 20 tbf

[coarse ravine]

You can summon tornadoes.
Volcanoes
Summon tidal waves.
Summon mini hurricanes.
Earthquakes, change gravity etc.

[keen kestrel]

A wizard at level 20 is not dissimilar to a demigod

[coarse ravine]

Nah I mean like literally cataclysm

[hot marlin]

Literally a cataclysm. The other classes are metaphorically a cataclysm

[keen kestrel]

And a wizard can wish all that away

[blissful ibex]

I like druid for the ability to fire of a concentration spell, then pick things off with martial combat or weaving in heals or support spells as needed

[hot marlin]

Actually the wizard certainly can't wish a storm of vengeance

Oh wait, wish the cataclysms away?!

Oh please do waste your ninth level slot, risk stress and losing the ability to cast wish

[keen kestrel]

Almost sounds like a paladin

[blissful ibex]

I like having a toolbox and being able to make the party hit harder/stay up longer and mitigate potential issues while still having damage options
Effectively the way I play druid is FFXIV WHM

[coarse ravine]

Comparing any class to wizard is a fail. Wizards are the most op class. Cause intelligent saves are insane. So wizard comes in one psychic scream nukes any othe player.... but ya aren't doing pvp

[blissful ibex]

sort of, but I prefer heavier caster on the martial/caster balance than 1:1

[coarse ravine]

Wizard is in a tier of its own like Jon Jones. Then you compare everyone elese

[keen kestrel]

I’d say paladins are heavier on the martial side, but I get it yeah

[blissful ibex]

my current prefered multiclass is druid 15 / warlock 5 because it gets me almost exactly where I want to be mechanically

[keen kestrel]

While I enjoy spell casters, usually I just wanna stick to those or play a paladin

[coarse ravine]

I like druid 18, fighter 2.

[blissful ibex]

that's good too

[keen kestrel]

I like… sorcerer 20

[blissful ibex]

just like what warlock offers and don't mind not having 9th level slots

[coarse ravine]

Anything fighter 2 is a great build for sure.

[blissful ibex]

was doing a silly druid 15/ bard 3/ sorcerer 1/ fighter 1 build before

[coarse ravine]

Not being able to shapechange is a no deal for me. As a wizard or a druid (could argue bard) that spell is a must have

[blissful ibex]

but like, you only get it in teir 4 play anyway

[coarse ravine]

What's the go to 8th level spell then?

[turbid vessel]

Come to think I don't think I've ever played in level 15+ that wasn't a one shot
And thinking more I'm not sure if I'd even want to 😭

[blissful ibex]

Animal Shapes

[coarse ravine]

I love it!!!!!

Animal shapes is so busted if the dm can work with you.

The entire town can become elephants hahahaha. 2000 elephants or 10,000 giant eagles lol.

Really no limit for the spell really dm discretion.

[keen kestrel]

Oh I wouldn’t, we’ve done level 20 combat twice in my career and I don’t want to do it again tbh

[blissful ibex]

I mean I;m happy anywhere between like level 3 and 12

[coarse ravine]

I usually keep feeblemind in my backpocket. If no spellcasters in the events and combats ill just upcast somethin.

[blissful ibex]

Warlock 5 gives me counterspell
I only have two castings but still

[keen kestrel]

Play archfey, get all the misty steps and silly abilities, profit

Who needs counterspell, if they can’t ever find you or catch you

[coarse ravine]

I dont think I've actually ever casted earthquake

[blissful ibex]

Was very close between Archfey and GOO

[keen kestrel]

Archfey honestly feels almost broken in 2024, but GOO is always amazing

[blissful ibex]

ended up with GOO because i adore the subtle illusion/enchantment for warlock spells when taking One with Shadows, and the telepathy

also because I'm on plasmoid so it's funny she's a goolock

[molten pumice]

I make either level 5 characters, or level 15 characters. I was thinking earlier about how a lvl 5-15+ campaign would match my vibe far better than a 1-12 campaign would

[blissful ibex]

also I can just hardcast misty step or wildshape into a deer/owl if I desperately need to get out of somewhere

[blissful ibex]

10 Druid/5 Warlock is a really nice place to be

especially on Circle of Preservation (UA)

[molten pumice]

Yeah, I could see that

[blissful ibex]

Like, I don't really care that much about spells over 5th level for the most part anyway, just like having the option

[coarse ravine]

I love wrath of nature

[molten pumice]

I'm recently coming around to psionics and made a couple great old ones

[keen kestrel]

I keep forgetting you play Druid too, I just take warlocks all the way whatever level we’re going to

[coarse ravine]

Summon dracinic spirit has saved me so many times with the mount and the resistance versatility

[blissful ibex]

Like, she's majority druid

but the warolock stuff just works really nicely with druid's kit

also silly that I can burn pact slots for wild companion

[keen kestrel]

We just need genie warlock back so I can try fulfill my dreams in 2024

[coarse ravine]

Ive only been able to use it once ever for a combat. But druid grove is a amazing spell if you get any amount of prep time for a combat.

6th level tho not 5th

[blissful ibex]

like she goes up to 8th at 20, so I do have access at least, just at level 16 instead of 11

[molten pumice]

My 24 warlock bag is primarily fiends and celestials though. With surprisingly few archfeys... though I just put some archfey levels on an ancients paladin

[coarse ravine]

Yeah my high level go to spell anyways is draconic transformation

Bonus action casting that gives force damage and flight and blindsight

Its a great combo with other things.

Cause after that round you can cone of cold/ force breath. Or erupting earth then force breath. Lots of dice going around

[blissful ibex]

see 2024 druid can get 60' blindsight as a bonus action from druid level 2 with wild companion and the bat

mine's flavoured to be a sort of moth thing
she's silly

[coarse ravine]

Mine is flavored as "nature's draconic presence" or nature's dragon to be short. When I cast that spell.

Especially in 2014 when I was a moon druid. Earth elemental combined with draconic transformation. Could burrow and fly had tremorsense and blindsight. The thematical idea of it is amazing

[blissful ibex]

on that note, plasmoid should have totally had like 20~30' blindsight instead of 60' darkvision q_q

might replace my 7th level slot with that, have it on firestorm rn

[coarse ravine]

Yeah flight 60 feet, blindsight 60, 6d8 force damage all for a bonus action.

Then you can just buff yourself on rounds after that.

Next round fire shield, round 3 freedom of movement

Like by round 4 you can have so many stacks of buffs on you its alot of fun hahah

[blissful ibex]

Regenerate is a really fun spell too though

[coarse ravine]

Concentration or no?

[blissful ibex]

no

1 hour of 1 hp per turn

[undone fable]

regenrate allows for regrowth of limbs?

[blissful ibex]

recovers 4d8+15 hp on cast and regrows any severed body parts after 2 mins

issue is 1 minute cast time

[coarse ravine]

Yeah this is my issue with tsunami

[blissful ibex]

really good naritive solution and a decent setup buff if you have time to prep

[coarse ravine]

Mirage arcane

Mirage arcane combined with a druid grove prep... could actually be crazy

[sour mountain]

Can anyone think of a way to reduce/remove the side effects of the eye and hand of Vecna

[coarse ravine]

Could just illusion wise make their path keep walking over spike growth

[blissful ibex]

then , ofc, heal is my level 6 go to

[blissful ibex]

why would I spikegrowth when I can plant growth

[coarse ravine]

Its part of the druid grove spell

[blissful ibex]

plant growth is borderline one of the best spells in the game imo

[coarse ravine]

So Mirage arcane combined with druid grove... heck combined with plants growth lol

[coarse ravine]

Also not dispellable

[severe rampart]

are they still flammable

[blissful ibex]

and it's a sphere so it hits flyers

[blissful ibex]

DM fiat, but physics wise, very healthy, green, and water infused plants are fairly difficult to burn

[undone fable]

How do I beast master ranger well? I dont know if I want beast master, hunter, gloom, or the other subclass

[coarse ravine]

I cast it one time and was like... dm sorry this is actually the dungeons lair now. Unless these duargar want to go square by square this is now the layout lol

[severe rampart]

Dang, how do you even counter that

[sour mountain]

Can anyone think of a way to reduce/remove the side effects of the eye and hand of Vecna

[blissful ibex]

teleportation

[blissful ibex]

give them to someone else

[coarse ravine]

You can jump i think

[wraith kelp]

im still thinking

[blissful ibex]

nope, it's a sphere so it has height

[sour mountain]

Good idea

[blissful ibex]

100 foot radius sphere, no concentration and is instantanious so cannot be dispelled, is not difficult terrain so cratures that ignore DT arent safe either, has height so fliers aren't safe, can make cutouts so you and your party aren't effected, and has a second casting option for narritive utility to boot

[wraith kelp]

im gonna make a spell book but idk should i do on paper or digitaly but then i cant edit it

wait i can? but idk where to make it

[coarse ravine]

Stacks with difficult terrain. Making it 8 feet per 1 foot moved. Making 1 square 40 feet of movement

[somber junco]

Anyone know a good source to make world maps

[snow zephyr]

Paper, deckled edges

[wraith kelp]

deckled?

[coarse ravine]

Would wall of thorns+ plant growth stack? Wall of thorns is also 4 feet of movement. + plant growth 4 feet of movement. Adding difficult terrain to that would be like 16 feet of movement yeah?

Making each square 80 feet

[wraith kelp]

and should i use my normal handwriting or like caligraphy

[coarse ravine]

Or do the two 4 feet of movement affects not stack?

[blissful ibex]

I'm not sure it stacks with DT in general

[wraith kelp]

@snow zephyr ?

[snow zephyr]

I do be mastering dungeons

[wraith kelp]

i see yes

[weak kernel]

Maybe one of those modular books where you can insert and remove pages?
Or a binder made to look like a book and you can make the spell pages individually

[coarse ravine]

Oh it 100% does for sure

[blissful ibex]

ooo? spicy

[coarse ravine]

Just didn't know if the two stack to be 8 feet + difficult terrain

[snow zephyr]

Normal writing, deckled edge, heavy weight paper, but use a calligraphy pen

[coarse ravine]

Yeah a go to is plant growth then erupting earth.

[wraith kelp]

hm mh

and should i use pen a marker or pencil

or tint and feather

[snow zephyr]

It's the ripple edged paper, cream color for the illusion of weathering

[weak kernel]

Probably a thin line pen, for accessible stuff
If you have access to ink and feather go for it

[wraith kelp]

ooooh cool to make it look like old and like it was passed trough generatioons of wizards

[blissful ibex]

I mean, if wizard/sorcerer gets fireball, druid/ranger/bard can have plantgrowth

[coarse ravine]

Erupting earth also is instantaneous. So cant be dispelled

So unless dm clears it in his world. Those squares will be 40 feet of movement per one square.

[wraith kelp]

well with pencil its like really pale with pen it sometimes like it smears but i can try with pen but with ink and feather i never used that but i think i should have it

[coarse ravine]

They should have given wildfire druid the ability to cast fireball like they planned in UA

The fact that light cleric who is 100% radiant flavored gets fireball but circle of wildfire doesn't is weird

[blissful ibex]

could also get a fine or very fine nibbed fountain pen
dropper converting the platinum preppy is like less than $10USD

[wraith kelp]

mhm

should i use caligraphy? or normal handwriting

[wraith kelp]

oh didnt see that okay!

[blissful ibex]

so long as it's readable and usable as a reference

[wraith kelp]

mah i dont trust my hands with calligraphy pens lol

[jovial shadow]

Because Plant growth isn't an offensive spell. It's just meant slow people down On the ground.

[blissful ibex]

Ye, but then your party members with offensive spells and ranged weapons can go ham on the enemy melee more or less uncontested >:3

that's the beauty of CC

The best healing spells are the ones that prevent damage in the first place

[wraith kelp]

ok wait so a calligraphy pen, deckled edge with yelowish pages heavy weight paper normal writing?

OH OH GUYS

cuz today will be new year i mean tomorrow? i can use my wand and cast fireball lol

wait how do wizards with a staff cast fire ball? i cant imagine it

[blissful ibex]

the staff just acts as a spell focus so you don't need the material componants

[serene jolt]

Yup! And if your spell doesn't have a material focus, you don't need anything at all

[blissful ibex]

naritively, it could form at the tip of the staff, or you could swing it to launch the thing, or w/e

[jovial shadow]

clarification. You do need material components for a Spell Focus if they will be consumed or have a cost.

[serene jolt]

That much is true

[blissful ibex]

you could slam it into the ground and a giant sphere of flames just explodes out of the ground
or it forms a temporary rift that it escapes out from

[serene jolt]

Flavor is free. It's whatever you want it to be as long as it doesn't change mechanics!

Like my Artificer (talked about this earlier) has a wand that is Reflavored as a mini canon and shoots fire bolts out of it. XD

[blissful ibex]

2024 pact weapon is fun because it's a universal spell focus c:

...Until the bond ends, you have proficiency with the weapon, and you can use it as a Spellcasting Focus.
-SRD 5.2.1

probably so it works with Eldritch Adept

[molten pumice]

Pact of the blade has always been top tier, and 2024 just made it objectively peak

[serene jolt]

And some focuses are easier than others.

Like a wizard uses arcane focuses such as a wand, staff, crystal, etc.

While a cleric uses a holy symbol, which can be as easy as a tattoo on the body as long as it's visible.

[blissful ibex]

just really want them to update improved pact weapon to replace the redundant 'can be a focus' clause with weapon mastery

[molten pumice]

People often talk about eldritch blast and how warlocks have to fall back on it, but not enough glaze goes to my pact weapon, my precious, beautiful baby

[serene jolt]

Valid. I had to dip into fighter for that reason. I like having advantage on my attacks (vex)

[blissful ibex]

I literally don't even take EB

[blissful ibex]

can get it as a feat but you only get one and then you're down a feat

[wraith kelp]

guys people gonna think that im a lunatic

[serene jolt]

I have EB but my warlock uses a bow for damage. (I just have EB as a backup).

[naive cedar]

i love eldritch blast its so reliable

[blissful ibex]

My druid/lock uses it for longbow and extra attack c:

[serene jolt]

That's why I dipped. It felt more worthwhile. Great saves, great profs, weapon mastery, and 1d10 self-healing resources. Why not?

[blissful ibex]

also trident at low level because trident is just a really cool weapon

[serene jolt]

Shortbow with true strike right now but I'll be going into pact weapons by level 6 when true strike isn't worth it anymore. 2024, vex is so much better than an extra 2 damage.

[blissful ibex]

1d8, versitile 1d10, and a 20//60 thrown range

[serene jolt]

Ooh and topple, which is hilarious to throw at flying enemies.

[blissful ibex]

and you can resummon it as a BA with pact weapon

[wraith kelp]

man all i think on new year is ''FIRE BALL, FIRE BALL!''

[serene jolt]

My warlock's build is pretty dang fun. I'm a celestial too so I'll be getting that fun extra damage pretty soon as long as I change my damage type to radiant.

[blissful ibex]

like past char level 5, it loses out to shillelagh, but even then, sometimes it's the more accessible option

have her at Druid 2 / Warlock 2 in both AL and the campaign I have her in at the moment
not exactly optiomal but I have the most fun with that spread early on

[molten pumice]

If I had to point out a flaw of 2024 pact blade. The wording does sorta suggest every conjured weapon is a new instance of a pact weapon. In the sense that a bound weapon doesn't say it can be called to you or hidden in a pact realm or anything. It lets you turn a weapon the physically exists into a pact weapon, or you can conjure a whole new thing, but the physically existing weapon you turn into a pact weapon doesn't technically say you can summon it and make it vanish the way 2014 assimilated pact blades could be hidden.

[serene jolt]

Grabbed the Mark of Healing from the new Artificer book for more healing spells, especially Prayer of Healing (2024). Grabbing Potent Dragon Mark at level 8 to essentially free cast Prayer of Healing once between combats if we don't have enough time for a short rest so I can get my spell slots back.

I have such a fun plan in mind!

[woven flint]

I've got a Drow Celestial Warlock fella, he's a mix of Blade and Tomelock

[molten pumice]

Even still, I prefer it, cause either way an assimilated pact weapon becomes the only pact thing you can use, which ruins the whole deal of pact blade for me

[timid current]

Warlocks font need weapon mastery

[serene jolt]

They don't need it but I wanted it. Adv on almost every attack is handy.

[blissful ibex]

true, honnestly

sorry if I pinged there, can't remember if I clicked it off or not