dnd-discussion

[reef tundra]

I agree to disagree

2024 forever except for grappling and shoving rules!

[subtle orchid]

is 2014 or 2024 easier for beginners yall reckon

[reef tundra]

And specifically the vampire stat blocks

[remote wadi]

I'm saying I like 2014 more. But that sounds like a good idea for 2024

[reef tundra]

I think 2024 is worded better

[glass granite]

I say 2024 with extreme bias

[reef tundra]

I know, that’s why I said I agree to disagree. Specifically on our preference for version because both are valid

[slender gyro]

Can a barbarian master a short sword?

[glass granite]

Yes

[wintry spindle]

Yes

[reef tundra]

Yup. Any melee weapon your heart desires

[slender gyro]

That's great

[glass granite]

I agree

[wintry spindle]

But its a simple weapon so not the best

[subtle orchid]

beat me to sayin it

[slender gyro]

Well. What's the best idea for a common dual wield SWORD weapon ?

[glass granite]

No? Shortswords are martial

[reef tundra]

I say scimitar. It’s light and has the Nick weapon mastery

[glass granite]

Shortsword and scimitar, or shortsword and dagger

[wintry spindle]

I forgot ye

[glass granite]

Is oki

[reef tundra]

I’d say scimitar over shortsword as if you use a shortsword it will take your bonus action as opposed to the scimitar

[subtle orchid]

martial in 2014. simple in 24

[wintry spindle]

But i mean you could do two short swords

[slender gyro]

I wanna wield 2 of the same weapon

[glass granite]

No? Martial in 2024 too

[reef tundra]

You can do that

[wintry spindle]

I think most classes just get allowed short sword so its confusing

[glass granite]

That’s fine, then I’d say scimitar

[subtle orchid]

lemme double check, ur probably right

[glass granite]

No, im Nugget. Who’s probably right?

[slender gyro]

I don't like curved swords so i guess I'll be doing short swords

[wintry spindle]

Scimitars also got good in 2024

[glass granite]

Indeed

[subtle orchid]

again

[slender gyro]

Are there any legendary short swords?

[wintry spindle]

Flavor is always free

[slender gyro]

Can you start with 2 short swords?

[wintry spindle]

Scimitars dont have to look curves

[subtle orchid]

rapier is cool

[slender gyro]

As starting equipment?

[reef tundra]

Once a DM of mine let me duel wield a scimitar and a glaive (yes they let me one hand it) it was awesome

[wintry spindle]

In 2024 you can buy your own starting equipment

[slender gyro]

Buy?

[subtle orchid]

i have the urge to make a monk

[reef tundra]

Yup

[glass granite]

Choose the gold option and buy your weapons

[reef tundra]

Give in to that urge. They’re amazing in 2024

[glass granite]

Or get it from your spare gold, it takes 20

[wintry spindle]

Wheb making your pc you can spend your leftover gold on equipment

[slender gyro]

What if the campaign starts in the middle of the nowhere? You can't buy anything

[glass granite]

You can buy it as part of your backstory, most DM’s will allow that

[subtle orchid]

need a new campaign for that monk or he’ll rot forever. and my other one hasn’t had a session in about a month and a half im in a dnd drought

[wintry spindle]

This happend before the adventure began

[glass granite]

Hi in a dnd drought, I’m Nugget

[slender gyro]

And if that doesn't work pay the DM 20 bucks to allow it 😂

[subtle orchid]

NOOO

[wintry spindle]

I mean if you start in jail you just dont have anything

[subtle orchid]

start in a jail writing that down

[reef tundra]

Classic beginning

[wintry spindle]

My players did that

[glass granite]

It’s one of the more classic DnD starts

[reef tundra]

One of my campaigns started with an airship crash. I think that’s a classic too

[glass granite]

Not as classic as tavern, but classic

[subtle orchid]

surprisingly haven’t done or had it

[glass granite]

I dunno if I’d say that’s classic

[subtle orchid]

tavern. but it explodes with your entire party inside of it and they all die!

[glass granite]

It’s not unheard of, and it’s not too uncommon, but classic is a high bar

[wintry spindle]

Its fun the first combat is more improvised because they have limited resources

[glass granite]

My monk who couldn’t give af

[reef tundra]

Of course! Everyone’s started with an airship getting shot down by an exiled heir to the throne who vowed revenge against her mother

[glass granite]

Catch these hands!

[wintry spindle]

But that would be fun for a monk

[subtle orchid]

monk is still in handcuffs. can only use his legs and attacks with disadvantage

[wintry spindle]

Or a caster with only verbal somatic spells

[glass granite]

Leg attacks don’t have disadvantage tho?

[reef tundra]

Jokes on you, unarmed strikes can be any part of the body /lh

[wintry spindle]

Technically he can kick with unarmed strike

[subtle orchid]

mobility issues because you’re handcuffed

[reef tundra]

I could play a monk who fights exclusively with heat butts

[reef tundra]

Cuffs don’t limit the rest of the body that much

[glass granite]

Or elbow strikes and knees

Heck, my dhampir only attacks with his teeth

[reef tundra]

Blasphemy, head only

[wintry spindle]

But also depends on if the underestimate the monk

[subtle orchid]

i think they do but thats personal experience and these are fantasy characters

[glass granite]

-# personal experience?
Imma ignore that

[reef tundra]

I have personal experience too, my legs kicked just fine

-# Don’t ask

[glass granite]

Tbf, the unarmed, unarmoured dude just sitting there ain’t as intimidating as a giant dude with an axe

Also
wtf am I the only who hasn’t been in handcuffs

[reef tundra]

Get good /j

[subtle orchid]

yeah i mean you can kick and whatnot but trying to have the proper form and whatnot is very difficult in cuffs.

but again, fantasy characters. monk would probably kick ass anyway

chain the monks legs too. watch em get creative

[wintry spindle]

I mean if your dm rules it like that i would go along with it

[reef tundra]

Head butt supremacy /j

[subtle orchid]

but that would work

[glass granite]

Plasmoidddd

[reef tundra]

Although balancing would be a nightmare

As in, using your head while your hands and legs are cuffed

[wintry spindle]

Whats the non bullywug frog dude with poisoned skin?

[glass granite]

I haven’t a clue

[subtle orchid]

ive never seen a plasmoid monk, now i want to

[glass granite]

They’re quite good actually

[wintry spindle]

Its a species that when you contact it skin you also get poisned

[glass granite]

You can infiltrate into areas really well cuz you don’t need to bring equipment

[wintry spindle]

It was a fundraiaser material

[subtle orchid]

ill consider that

[glass granite]

They also have advantage on grapple checks, tho idk how that’d work in 2024

[wintry spindle]

Grung its called

[glass granite]

Makes great grapplers tho

[subtle orchid]

you’d probably be able to get one off before falling face first.

[reef tundra]

Agreed

[hushed rune]

When are sessions held.?

[subtle orchid]

whenever you’re party schedules it

[reef tundra]

Ranges from table to table. This server doesn’t host sessions

Nugget, info dump this fool /lhj

[hushed rune]

Ty

[glass granite]

Jokes on you, my shadow monk can neutralise disadvantage!
And my astral self monk has extra arms. Very handy.
Now that’s a good punchline.

[eternal karma]

How does 2024's Jump compare to 2014's?

[subtle orchid]

more handcuffs….?

[reef tundra]

The spell or jumping?

[subtle orchid]

actually just take the monk out back and kill them before the campaign even starts.

[glass granite]

If you’re a player,

DnD beyond forums, reddit, roll20 or through this server’s #looking-for-players channel and typing /looking-for dm to make a form

[subtle orchid]

or your local game store, and more

[tawdry pecan]

hi there

[glass granite]

If it’s finding a table, not much info to dump unless I wanna explain each channel or method in depth. And me is too tired for that.

[tawdry pecan]

can i have one question

[glass granite]

Hi!

[subtle orchid]

you can have plenty

[glass granite]

Idk can you?
And sure

[reef tundra]

Too much info for me to give. I wish I had your patience

[tawdry pecan]

what is the best site for creative d&d

[glass granite]

Imma need you to be more specific than “creative dnd”

[subtle orchid]

you have dad energy

[glass granite]

Eternally single and also a minor, soooo

[tawdry pecan]

like google docs or powerpoint or smth like that

[subtle orchid]

map making?
character making?
virtual tabletops?

[glass granite]

Playing games?

[wintry spindle]

Fot keeping notes?

[tawdry pecan]

yes

[reef tundra]

I still have no idea what you are looking for

[wintry spindle]

He is lost

[glass granite]

People use discord, owlbear rodeo, roll20, dnd beyond…

Also some more Virtual Tabletops, but I don’t know many

[wintry spindle]

Ive never heard about owlbear radio

[subtle orchid]

keeping notes would be whatever your able to write on. docs works

foundryvtt, dndbeyond, owlbear (behind paywalls) are good for playing.

[wintry spindle]

Obsidian is great for note taking

[glass granite]

Owlbear is free, just not all the features

[subtle orchid]

dndbeyond is free too but the content is behind paywalls

[tawdry pecan]

can i do it in google docs?

[wintry spindle]

For what

[tawdry pecan]

like everything

[wintry spindle]

Example?

[reef tundra]

Do you mean character sheets?

[tawdry pecan]

cant i just create the board there?

[subtle orchid]

foundry is the only not free one.

and yes you can take notes in docs, and keep your game organized as a dm for docs. but it would be a personal thing to figure out in google docs.

[glass granite]

I’d say docs is good for notes and prep plans, but for playing DnD on? No. You can, but making maps is nigh impossible to do well.

[wintry spindle]

Whay board

[glass granite]

“Board” likely refers to a battle map

[subtle orchid]

yes buts its tedious and theres better options if you’re referring to the character sheet

[reef tundra]

My dearest apologies but I have no idea what you are talking about

[glass granite]

Same answer also applies for a battle map

[tawdry pecan]

uh actually nevermind

[subtle orchid]

well

dragons guys. am i right

[wintry spindle]

I love brass dragons

Favourite dragon

[glass granite]

Actually imma throw a dragon at my players for the first time. They’ve never fought one before
Let’s see how this goes

[wintry spindle]

Which kind?

[rugged hawk]

Tiamat!

[subtle orchid]

i dont have a favorite dragon yet. but i havent been playing incredibly long

[slender gyro]

How would a DM react if he saw AI art on a character sheet? 😂

[glass granite]

Young red dragon, likely

[wintry spindle]

A classic

[glass granite]

Depends on the DM. We can’t speak for all DM’s most of the time.

[wintry spindle]

I wouldnt care

[slender gyro]

How would you react?

[glass granite]

Eh.

[subtle orchid]

depends on the dm. just ask though. theres tons of art you can look for and ask the artist permission to use it for ur PC. i would dislike it, but let it happen.

[glass granite]

Pure, authentic reaction

[wintry spindle]

Back in my day we just stole pictures from the internet that was somewhat like our pc

[reef tundra]

I’d say “roll initiative, mofo”

[glass granite]

I rolled a…
CMON A 1

[wintry spindle]

I dont mind ai art but if you work profesionally i would do it by comission

[subtle orchid]

i used todo that for all my ocs in creative writing before i learned how to draw lmao. would still recommend it because at the end of the day your not gonna claim its yours

[wintry spindle]

Also a lot of pictures now om pinterest is ai images

[knotty pasture]

I just make my characters on bg3 and crop the ss of said character

[wintry spindle]

Heroforge works also well

[subtle orchid]

or any other game where you enjoy the customization if it fits the world

[wintry spindle]

Or you make your fellow players kid draw your pc

[subtle orchid]

is that a unique experience

[wintry spindle]

Yes

[subtle orchid]

im intrigued

[wintry spindle]

On all our tokens there is the kids version of our pcs on the back

Its fun

[subtle orchid]

that sounds lit

[slender gyro]

Question. If you roll 1. Does a great fumble happen like your own sword bouncing off and hitting you instead? or is it memes?

[glass granite]

Hi intrigued, I’m Nugget. You really do keep changing your name, huh?

[subtle orchid]

revisiting 2020 with the constant name changes

[glass granite]

That’s a house rules. Rules as written it’s just an auto miss

(It’s also a bad house rules imo)

[subtle orchid]

i think its funny to describe the whiff but do no damage

[wintry spindle]

I dont play with fumbles

You miss that should be enough

[glass granite]

Agreed

[wintry spindle]

I do allow crits on skill checks, but within limits

[subtle orchid]

its moreso for comedic value.

[wintry spindle]

You can ask them how they miss its funny

[subtle orchid]

thats what i meant, yeah

[glass granite]

I either do that, or I describe it as an act of pure skill by the opponent.
“Your axeblade cleaves through the air, a mass of sharp steel cascading down on the opponent. Yet, you feel it suddenly halt just a few centimetres from the warrior’s face, his hand holding back your blow with an iron grip.”

[subtle orchid]

whats the worst fail yall ever seen or done

[wintry spindle]

I rolled two 1s with advantage one time

[subtle orchid]

holy crap

[glass granite]

One of my enemies I was using as a DM missed a prone PC. They had a +8 to hit, and the person had 11 AC.

[glass granite]

Which is bad, but not as bad as this WTF
1/400 chance here folks

[wintry spindle]

I remember it was an important skill check also

Couldnt recall what but just i was like damn you dont see that often

I have also done two 20s one time

[sour quail]

Damn

[wintry spindle]

With disadvantage

[glass granite]

Anyway folks, imma go hit the deck. My bed mimic Ted says hi.

[subtle orchid]

let ted big spoon tonight

g’night tho

[rugged hawk]

Wow, this is the most durable zombie I've ever seen. Bloody thing won't die and stay dead, dammit.
Undead Fortitude. If damage reduces the zombie to 0 hit points, it must make a Constitution saving throw with a DC of 5 + the damage taken, unless the damage is radiant or from a critical hit. On a success, the zombie drops to 1 hit point instead.

Lousy thing keeps making its con saves against my cantrips but I don't wanna waste a spell slot on it. Sweet merciful Mystra, finally.

[severe rampart]

have you tried hitting it, really really hard?

[rugged hawk]

Okay, Kakarot

[still plover]

Not like regular hard. Really hard.

[severe rampart]

Exactly

[remote wadi]

Really really haymaker hard

[rugged hawk]

Whatever you say, Piccolo. Too bad you couldn't figure out how to dodge Nappa

[remote wadi]

Why rope me into this? I just wanted to make a Russian Badger reference... ;-;

[rugged hawk]

!!! Pinky, I know what we're gonna do today: try and take over the world! doomscroll Russian Badger vidoes!

[remote wadi]

Love watching the guy. But part of me wishes he would play single player games every so often

[knotty pasture]

See I used to really hate zombies until our Druid + me as the Ranger cheesed out the fight

Spike Growth to lock down 90% of a chokepoint, Entangle for a small blind spot Spike Growth can't cover

[remote wadi]

Nice

[rugged hawk]

Eh, they're too slow to keep up, so it's just a matter of kiting them to death

Although I did just get lucky and rolled two 8s on my Sorcerous Burst, so I ended up doing 8+8+5 to a zombie and one-shot it.

[wraith kelp]

hello

[rugged hawk]

What's your question?

[knotty pasture]

Why is my Ranger so handsome

[wraith kelp]

haha i dont have one 😝

whats vecnas lair?

[rugged hawk]

Getting sad of not having Spell Sniper feat, gotta take AoO to get out of melee so I can fire my spells.

[wraith kelp]

idk how to spell*

[rugged hawk]

A lich adventure

[wraith kelp]

i watched too much stranger things

[remote wadi]

A little curious, what does spell sniper do?

My Wizard has it, never stated what it does though

[rugged hawk]

Don't get Disadvantage on making ranged spell attacks in melee

[wintry spindle]

Increasse your spell range on attack range and ignore half and quarter cover

[wraith kelp]

man now i wanna make a sorcerer/wizard

[rugged hawk]

Also those, yeah

[wintry spindle]

But only for attack spells not other kinda of spells

Its a great feat

[wraith kelp]

isnt this vecna?

[slender gyro]

Question about barbarian. Do you HAVE TO be naked? Or can you wear clothes? That provide no bonuses. Just a trench coat or a t shirt

[crimson gulch]

you can wear cloaths, armor too

[knotty pasture]

You can wear light and medium armor

[crimson gulch]

many barbarians chose armor if it works out better than unarmored defence

[slender gyro]

Yeah but armor makes you lose the AC bonus no?

[knotty pasture]

Assuming 14 dex, until you reach 20 con or more its not worth wearing clothes

[wintry spindle]

In most low lvl cases medium armor is better than no armor

[knotty pasture]

Armor gives its own AC bonus that is often higher than running around topless

[slender gyro]

Clothes add armor?

[wintry spindle]

Cloths is just clothes

[knotty pasture]

Yes, clothes give 10 AC + dex modifier

[crimson gulch]

yeah, you chose unarmored defence, or Armor

[knotty pasture]

Like a terrible version of light armor

[burnt valley]

Trench coat yes

[slender gyro]

I didn't knew a regular t shirt gave armor

[cerulean monolith]

I’ve never seen chat have such a chorus of incorrect statements

[remote wadi]

Doesn't sound that bad

Also, I have a question for chat

Are there any good feats or tools that are great to pair with a longbow?

[knotty pasture]

For Barbs it also adds your con modifier into your final AC

I was referring to clothes in general earlier not clothes on Barb

[lavish flame]

clothes aren't armor, they just do a regular unarmored AC calculation. Barbarians get to have a better unarmored AC calc than most

[remote wadi]

Bonus points for ones outside of the ordinary, i.e. sharpshooter

[wraith kelp]

guys is there any good free sorcerer/wizard game related to magic? cuz i wanna make a wizard/sorcerer character

[wintry spindle]

Which version

[slender gyro]

Well I'm asking about unarmored.

[crimson gulch]

Clothing is not armor

[remote wadi]

2014. Already have the main 2 with SS and Piercer

[knotty pasture]

Unarmored is 10 AC + Dex modifier + Con modifier for Barbs

[slender gyro]

That's great

So it doesn't disable the unarmored defense

[knotty pasture]

No

[cerulean monolith]

Perhaps, just perhaps, reading the book cover-to-cover would answer your questions about the text contained therein. It feels kinda silly to ask questions that are answered clearly in the text you’re REQUIRED to read to play the game.

[slender gyro]

Ty

[burnt valley]

As Wizard any subclass would do but it'd be better if you could have other subclasses (its the best class)

[wintry spindle]

Which race are you?

[humble cairn]

Sharpshooter, Piercer ... sigh you already have those, which I didn't know when I started typing this post.

[lavish flame]

yeah, when you wear clothes and no armor, you are unarmored. Barbarians can wear clothes and still get their Unarmored Defense feature to work

[wintry spindle]

Warcaster is always good when casting spells

[knotty pasture]

Well, unarmored defense is hardly ever worth it on Barb -- Just stick with Half Plate

[remote wadi]

Human. Elves are a pass tbh

[slender gyro]

And i Assume a trench coat counts as clothes and not as armor

[cerulean monolith]

“Hardly ever” chat. Are we serious

[burnt valley]

Resilient:Con is also good since Counterspell got nerfed in 2024

[remote wadi]

It's okay, I make those mistakes all the time lol

[humble cairn]

Do you already have the Archery fighting style?

[knotty pasture]

If you're investing this much con on Barb that's another bucket of worms

[remote wadi]

Mhm

[cerulean monolith]

Read the section of the free rules called “Armor”. that will explain what is and isn’t armor

[lavish flame]

yeah. Armor is a very defined term in D&D

[humble cairn]

Just maybe lead with what you already have.

[remote wadi]

I was thinking of things to potentially invest in. With Rogue being around the corner, I can use a spare proficiency to invest in a tool kit. Vague idea being a poisoner's kit

[cerulean monolith]

I don’t believe Rogues get tool proficiencies

[burnt valley]

Plate and Shield is better tbh

[cerulean monolith]

Barbarians do not get heavy armor proficiency

[knotty pasture]

I dunno I wouldn't go shield on Barb

[burnt valley]

Wait this is about barb nvm

[knotty pasture]

But that's personal preference

[humble cairn]

One, Thieves Tools.

[rugged hawk]

Heh, I love how the highest difficulty is labeled 'This Would Kill Tiamat'

[cerulean monolith]

Well, yeah. I meant that they don’t get a “choose a tool prof” like the message implied

[remote wadi]

Yeah, that's skills only

[burnt valley]

On where

[rugged hawk]

DnDB Encounters

[remote wadi]

Maybe I could spend gold and downtime to learn a proficiency with a tool kit?

[rugged hawk]

Ask your DM

[burnt valley]

Oh lol

[cerulean monolith]

Yes that is a thing you can do during downtime. If your DM gives you a trainer and, well, the downtime

[burnt valley]

Would it be reasonable to throw a Tarrasque at a Tier 2 party but let them loan +3 longbows and mounts

[remote wadi]

Well, worse comes to worse, at least I can pay attention to what my character can do and think of ways to improve them

[humble cairn]

Yes that's a downtime option, you need time and money.

[cerulean monolith]

No

[remote wadi]

Which, even if unsuccessful, is a skill worth knowing

[burnt valley]

Aw

[remote wadi]

Time is the one thing I have. Well, that and dementia

(Also plenty of money from the bandits we killed)

[humble cairn]

Ok let me rephrase ... your character needs time to spend the money and train, according to the rules, whichis up to your DM to let you have that.

[remote wadi]

I know. Just wanted to make another reference to something. All good

[mystic crystal]

What up chat, what’s going on in the world of D&D discussion today?

[burnt valley]

I'm trying to come up with Deadly+ encounters for a T1 module but give them really good rewards when beaten

[cerulean monolith]

Discussion about D&D, id reckon

[remote wadi]

Brainstorming ways to make character a bit more effective. Unsuccessful, but still building experience for when I play future campaigns. W in a way

[mystic crystal]

Get this feller outta here!

[rugged hawk]

We're debating the philosophical, ethical, and moral implications of consuming dwarves for being for hairy, loud, drunk, and short.

[cerulean monolith]

Pardon?

[severe rampart]

Oh god don't talka bout morals and ethics

[humble cairn]

If your DM is using the optional training rules from Xanathar's you can gain prof in a language or a tool in (10- Int Mod) weeks, costing 25gp a week.

[burnt valley]

If you consume just a tiny bit of their flesh, you immediately get drunk

[severe rampart]

I can feel Incubus' presence

[severe rampart]

Just like a brisket

[mystic crystal]

ways to make my character more efficient

Get a dice with only 20’s on it

[remote wadi]

1-Int Mod weeks...?

[knotty pasture]

I saw this interesting trolley problem

[remote wadi]

That makes little sense

[severe rampart]

Oh god

[humble cairn]

I thought I had fixed that, sorry.

[remote wadi]

True, though

[knotty pasture]

Path A has a single human, path B has a Halfling, Dwarf and Elf tied together

Trolley's heading straight for path B, do you pull the lever

[burnt valley]

#optimization optimyowwas can lend you a hand

[severe rampart]

Yes

[rugged hawk]

Drift, then you get ALL the loot and xp

[burnt valley]

I pull the lever

[mystic crystal]

Guys how do I “kill” my pc with out letting the party become suspicious I just wanted to play a different character?

[severe rampart]

a combination of a dwarf and an elf, with their worst traits is equal to a human, so it's basicallly would you let a human die or a human with a halfling

[burnt valley]

TRUE, bonus points if all of them worships Mystra

[rugged hawk]

Have you considered jumping in front of a comrade to protect them?

[keen valve]

I do not pull the lever because I am not implicit in the murdering of any individual, and thus decide to remain totally neutral, letting things stay as they are.

[mystic crystal]

Oooh I likes that

[severe rampart]

accidentally slip off of a cliff

[heavy oxide]

if theyre pure of heart you might be able to make it a sacrifice to a devil for power

[remote wadi]

Looking at this again, idk if it would even last that long. These 5 sessions took place over... couldn't have been 4 days in game?I dread to think about how much changes in 7 weeks in game-

[knotty pasture]

Volunteer to take the brunt of traps, and just dash into a full room of traps

[humble cairn]

I think you're officially overthinking things.

[knotty pasture]

You'd be so far into the room that no one can save you in time, the end

[rugged hawk]

You are now Evil for not preventing as many deaths as possible.

[severe rampart]

No, he's Bloodline

[knotty pasture]

And your teammates will forever love you for disarming it all for them

[knotty pasture]

We went from de facto to official, excellent

[keen valve]

It's not evil.

[rugged hawk]

Overthinking is blood's main selling point

[knotty pasture]

Bhaal would love him

[knotty basin]

It’s definitely evil

[severe rampart]

It is very evil

[rugged hawk]

Bhaal can't even get a W without everyone betraying him

[remote wadi]

Mmm, maybe. It still is something I can do, so might be worth thinking about. Maybe the next town has an apothecary? And maybe the irl equivalent of accelerated training program

[knotty pasture]

Bhaal's too comically evil to get a proper W

[burnt valley]

3 Shambling Mounds and 5 Lightning Mephits, can a T1 Lvl 4 party survive this?

[keen valve]

The big issue is that I am not an executioner if I do not pull the lever, and deciding myself as one and becoming involved in the killing of any individual is morally wrong.

I am no judge, I am no jury, I am no executioner.

[severe rampart]

you're already involved because you're there, so you're a witness

[burnt valley]

I wanna help Bhaal to fulfill his dreams, I feel bad

[keen valve]

I am a witness, not the deciding executioner.

[knotty basin]

By not pulling the lever you decide to kill a net 4 people

[remote wadi]

So i guess that's something worth looking into. Especially with the next town being pretty large, apaprently

[knotty basin]

Just in a different manner

[keen valve]

Either way you would decide to kill and not kill someone. The biggest difference is that by not being involved, you actively choose to not kill directly.

[rugged hawk]

Bhaal is possibly the truest deity, in that murder as a sapient concept has completely consumed him. There's no humanity, just an uncontrollable, oft-backfiring urge to MURDER, even when it actively harms his interests.

[remote wadi]

Could someone tell me more about a poisoner's kit and how effective it can be at creating poison?

[knotty basin]

One options kills more people though

[keen valve]

That does not matter.

[severe rampart]

through inaction or action you still directly or indirectly caused the death of one or more living being

[knotty pasture]

Poison's one of those mechanics where its really neat on a NPC's hands but it sucks on a PC's hands no matter how early/late you get it

[humble cairn]

In 2014 it uses the crafting system.

[keen valve]

Through inaction you are not directly causing anything. That in itself, is the point.

[remote wadi]

Crafting system?

[rugged hawk]

Through inaction, you have allowed great harm

[burnt valley]

Yes, atp it only benefits NPCs

[still plover]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/equipment/492-poisoners-kit

[knotty basin]

Direct or not it doesn’t really matter

[keen valve]

That's incorrect. It's the whole point.

[humble cairn]

The DMG has a system for characters to craft mundan items, but there's an optional system in Xanathar's find out which on your DM is using.

[knotty basin]

Why? Please explain how killing 5 people is better than 1

[severe rampart]

Nope, you destroy the wheels of the trolley through a fireball, causing it to go perpendicular and drift, killing both the passengers and the people tied on the tracks

[keen valve]

It was two versus one, let's not dramatize.

[humble cairn]

This is a basic poison, really expensive, in my opinion, but it can help to eke out more damage: https://www.dndbeyond.com/equipment/68-poison-basic-vial

[remote wadi]

So it can only craft basic poisons? That's a bummer

[rugged hawk]

The greatest evil isn't some grand, terrible thing, but the simple action of choosing to stand by and do nothing. Evil needs to do nothing at all to win but for good men to do nothing.

[knotty basin]

Ok, 2 people versus 1

[humble cairn]

No, it's kind of a wishy washy system, 2024 has other easier ways to get the other poisons.

[severe rampart]

Okay another moral problem, turns out it was a human fighter tying all of these species and races onto the trolley tracks, you found this human fighter, do you kill him or spare him?

[knotty pasture]

Is his name John Baldur

[humble cairn]

This is a filtered list of the mundane poisons, if you're using 2014, you'll want to click on the ones marked "Legacy." https://www.dndbeyond.com/equipment?filter-search=poison&filter-cost-min=&filter-cost-max=&filter-weight-min=&filter-weight-max=

[severe rampart]

I believe it's Jonathan Baldur

[burnt valley]

Spare him but not without heavy punishment, I cast Feeblemind and 7th level Geas on him

[knotty pasture]

I'll spare him but cut off his toe

[remote wadi]

Mmm, just is a little unfortunate because 1d4 is a bit on the lower end. Almost thought about coating a friendly weapon in it, but it doesn't work with bludgeoning weapons. Would have been cool if half my team didn't use mauls >:c

[twin brook]

hi guys

[humble cairn]

If you're looking for something to make you more effective, also check out: https://www.dndbeyond.com/equipment/38-net

[severe rampart]

Mercy is cruelty to the innocent

[knotty basin]

death

[knotty pasture]

Speaking of effectiveness, there's a surprising lack of unique magical bows in general (excluding the standard +1, +2, +3 ones)

[humble cairn]

Again, there are other mundane poisons than Basic Poison, you could theoretically make them with the poisoner's kit, but the system for doing so is vague and depends a lot on the DM giving you the time to do it.

[severe rampart]

So you're telling me you took an action that resulted in the death of one person to save the lives of many people, who would have died if you did nothing?

[keen valve]

Like I said before. It is morally incorrect for me to assume the role of judge jury and executioner. In that circumstance it is irresponsible of me to decide who is and isn't to die. By involving myself I am making the decision that I am deserving of that role of which I am not. There is no knowing of myself as to who these individuals are, what they have done, nor what their lives have been and even then I would never understand them better than they themselves.

In all of that said, what matters most is that I am not the one who should deem whether or not someone should die, and thus I should refrain from being involved as my being involved would be irresponsible and cruel. It lacks judgement, knowledge, and a sense of responsibility of which I do not have.

[humble cairn]

Oathbow and Dragonwing Bow are not bad, along with the Dragons Wrath version of a bow, depends on what books you have available.

[severe rampart]

Trolley Inception right here everybody

[burnt valley]

What do you mean?

[knotty pasture]

Yeah I think there's a total of three unique magical bows? I was hoping for more

[humble cairn]

sigh ... trolley problem is pretty off topic, I feel.

[keen valve]

Also, btw, I agree totally with flipping the switch. I was just playing the opposite end bc I thought it'd be fun.

Guys, I realize why it's so important to have humans now btw.

[humble cairn]

Have you looked at the 3rd party stuff? There's some really need ones.

[keen valve]

Having humans in a setting is so massively important because having more humans than your special species makes it so much more meaningful for when they appear.

[knotty pasture]

I should check it out, feels like third party is where all the neat and cool magical items are

[severe rampart]

You're letting an evil man live regardless of his actions, not knowing if he will or will not continue committing evil for the sake of committing evil, causing more lives to be taken by his actions, which were allowed by your actions

[remote wadi]

Well, there are some pretty potent ones you can get. But they don't seem like the kind that you can just make from a kit

[humble cairn]

You're making up rules where there are none.

[severe rampart]

Look at the fine print, we're specifying their species, and even classes for some

[remote wadi]

Dang. Well, poison is still something to take, but WotC really flattened it, didn't they?

[rugged hawk]

WotC ruins all the good toys

[remote wadi]

You mean like... not much of a limit to what you can make using the kit?

[burnt valley]

He won't, I would be waiting to see if they do it again in which the psychic damage from Geas would take effect and kill them (also would they be lobotomized from being Feebleminded?)

[jovial shadow]

How so?

[remote wadi]

Well, basic poison is the main one you can make, I assume. Costs an action to coat, and is a DC 10 con save to get 1d4 poison damage

[humble cairn]

There is nothing saying that the kit can't be used to make those poisons. There's not many rules to crafting at all, in fact. Look: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/xgte/downtime-revisited#CraftinganItem

[remote wadi]

Good in the hands of an NPC apparently, but...

[humble cairn]

What does this mean? Why wouldn't it be useful to a PC?

[remote wadi]

Not as effective in the hands of a PC

[humble cairn]

An extra 1d4 damage on a hit is an extra 1d4 damage. Sure, it's not a lot, but it's burning money and some forethought to get extra damage that stacks with everything else.

[remote wadi]

Just interrupted myself because link took me to a shop to buy the book

[humble cairn]

How? 1d4 is 1d4.

[knotty pasture]

If you mean poison its mostly because the basic ones don't improve your damage output that much, and the best ones don't matter when you're dealing so much damage per turn late game

[humble cairn]

"Basic Poison is not as effective for a PC as it is for an NPC" makes no sense.

[knotty pasture]

Its better than nothing, just that a NPC's poison seems to always do just a bit more than what PCs could (since them using poison could be to push forth the plot by taking out someone discreetly)

[humble cairn]

"Poison effects in general are more effective for NPCs" might hold some weight because the DM can just stock an NPc with as many poisons and make up new poison effects at will.

[knotty pasture]

I explained a few messages ago in more detail

[hidden spindle]

Basic Poison pretty good on Ammunition. Applying it to 3 at a time

[remote wadi]

I was just loosely quoting this. Should have said "from what I am being told"

[humble cairn]

Yeah try to evaluate it for yourself. An extra 1d4 is an extra 1d4, it doesn't make any sense at all to say that's different for an NPC than for a PC.

[burnt valley]

Purple wurm poison is expensive but is actually pretty decent

[hidden spindle]

Oddly enough, you can apply Basic Poison to Bludgeoning Weapons in '24. It won't work though if it can't deliver it through Piercing or Slashing damage. (Tavern Brawler baby~)

[remote wadi]

It is free damage, more or less, but I think the main reason our Paladin dips before the end of the session is because it already went on for 5+ hours. Don't want to slow things down more than they already are

But I do agree. That extra damage is still something cheap, can be stored, applied before and out of combat, and can make a difference over a minute

[remote wadi]

How??

[hidden spindle]

It just says you apply it to a weapon. But for it to work, it needs to deal Piercing or Slashing damage.

[jovial shadow]

That's not what the Basic Poison descriptions says. It only says slashing and piercing

[remote wadi]

Ah, yes. Let me apply this poison to get into your bloodstream without even causing blood to shed

Okay, from the edit, it makes more sense

But that's still just... no

[hidden spindle]

You're talking about the '14 version.

[jovial shadow]

pg 227 of the 2024 PHB

[hidden spindle]

As a Bonus Action, you can use a vial of Basic Poison to coat one weapon or up to three pieces of ammunition.

[jovial shadow]

Okay. Add the next sentence

[hidden spindle]

I'm saying, you can apply it to a Bludgeoning weapon, but it won't work unless it takes Piercing or Slashing from the Poisoned weapon.

[remote wadi]

But why would you?

[jovial shadow]

Exactly. It's a waste of poison

[crimson gulch]

players could allways do things wrong and accomplish nothing, thats not a new feature with the 2024 books

[hidden spindle]

More like, why did they write it this way

[rugged hawk]

Alcohol, I'd imagine

Or ChatGPT

[remote wadi]

No. Bad. Do not make me get the spray

[rugged hawk]

Kinda like how RAW, someone with a Dark Bargain: Bestial Awakening can't technically recover from a 0 HP state of unconsciousness if they touched silver. You can't S/L Rest without at least 1 HP, and you can't regain HP until you've rested once you've touched silver.

[hidden spindle]

Maybe you strike with the backside of the the only Light Hammer you have in attempt to deal Piercing Damage.

[hidden spindle]

You could also cast Cure Wounds on your foes.

[versed smelt]

Is anyone doing a campaign that is PST timezone and needs players

[humble cairn]

Two thoughts:

1. Have you looked at the Poisoner Feat?
2. As a Sharpshooter there is a tactic you can use: Cover. Put yourself behind 3/4 cover and stay there. Sharpshooter allows you to ignore it. So you can be in a bush with only your face showing. You get +5 AC and aren't hindered at all.

[remote wadi]

1. I looked at it in the past, but looking at it again now... that's basically free castings of Ray of Sickness. DM will likely allow changing feats, I'll check in with him later

[lusty kelp]

? I thought they could swap out doing something wrong after a long rest to progress plot? (/jk)

[remote wadi]

Ignoring resistance is genuinely pretty great, though

[hidden spindle]

Works out for me. It might take a few more Long Rests though

[cursive fjord]

Im getting conflicting things when I look this up online: Hide Armor: 13 (+Dex?)

[remote wadi]

2. I have considered thay occassionally, but the huge problem is that so far, the enemy has had no ranged weapons. Meaning that I don't exactly benefit from hiding in cover because just getting close to me hinders me enough. But that could be a valid tactic going into tier 2, I'll make note of that

[hidden spindle]

Where are the conflictions?conflicting?

Hide Armor is 12 + DEX Modifier (max 2)

[cursive fjord]

Some are telling me its with dex, some saying its a fixed 13

[lusty kelp]

definitely with Dex

oh, hide is medium armor?

[remote wadi]

Which type of armor is it?

[crimson gulch]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/equipment/11-hide heres the listing for hide armor

[cursive fjord]

Hide Armor

[humble cairn]

Cover works against melee attacks as well, as long as they don't find a way around it. Also have you used your Gloomstalker invisibility against enemies yet?

[hidden spindle]

Medium

[cursive fjord]

Oh its a medium armor thats why, i kept looking for light. So yeah 12+dex max 2 makes sense

[still plover]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/equipment/11-hide

[remote wadi]

So it's dex. You get a bonus to your AC equal to Dex modifer, but is a +2 max

[remote wadi]

It didn't exactly get me far. But that could have been me focusing on before the combat when during is also possible and still important

[humble cairn]

This is very vague, is that a yes or no?

Permanent invisibility is pretty nice. Advantage on all your attacks, Disadv on attacks against you, no opportunity attacks allowed.

[remote wadi]

That's a no because of the reason above. That I didn't consider using it in-

Wait a second. Wdym Gloomstalker and Invisibility?

[lusty kelp]

Gloomstalkers are effectively invisible if they're in darkness. That's the big advantage of the subclass

[humble cairn]

Did you ... not know the main power of a Gloomstalker?

[remote wadi]

Is it effectively being invisible against enemies that have dark vision?

[humble cairn]

If you are in darkness you are Invisible to things that rely on darkvision to see you.

[remote wadi]

I could have sword the i was capitalized and thought you meant the spell

[lusty kelp]

The only things that can see you are someone with tremor sight, devil's sight warlock invocation, and true sight. All three super rare. (ironically, devils don't get Devil's Sight) Forgot blindsight! Still rare!

[humble cairn]

And if they don't have Darkvision, well you're in Darkness so they can't see you. Meaning you are basically unseen to everyone unless they have blindsight or truesight.

Tremor sense isn't sight either, so it wouldn't help them see you, just locate you.

[remote wadi]

What if enemies are, say, gathered around a bonfire?

[lusty kelp]

take a bow and shoot from darkness

[humble cairn]

Read your subclass

[humble cairn]

Stay out of the light, and shoot them from hundreds of feet away, you are a Sharpshooter.

[rugged hawk]

Gelatinous Cube jiggles menacingly with tremorsense

[remote wadi]

I'm saying would that impact their ability to see at night? And how far away?

[lusty kelp]

Okay, but Gelatinous Cubes are frends, not enemies. you dont' wanna attack them, you want to hug them

[humble cairn]

Generally you will know areas of Dim and Bright Light.

[lusty kelp]

if you take dark vision yourself, or start as a specieis with it, it has no effect on you - no ruining your visiion

[remote wadi]

What's know? Is the dm telling me? Would i learn from experience?

[heavy oxide]

i dont like the words "jiggles menacingly"

[hidden spindle]

Gelatinous Cubes disposes of organic matter. Its a hungry lil fella~

[heavy oxide]

theres nothing even wrong with it it just feels off

[burnt valley]

I want a Gelatinous Cube as a pet

[rugged hawk]

☠️ Shhh, it's okay, calm down. Gelatinous Cube is a bard's best friend, they just want you inside them forever.

[lusty kelp]

awwww.... how sweet. That is such a wholesome thing

[remote wadi]

Either way, that is a good point
And how is a musket only 40 ft for the normal range...?

[heavy oxide]

i shouldnt have opened the server

[rugged hawk]

I know, right? They just wanna give you a soft, squishy hug

[lusty kelp]

muskets get larger damage in exchange for shorter damage than a crossbow. EDIT - range! shorter range!

[remote wadi]

Surely the concept of rifling barrels would exist by now, holy sheesh

[humble cairn]

Your character should be able to see the areas of light and darkness.

[lusty kelp]

cast fireball on a gelatinous cube, you'll be warm for a moment. hug a gelantinous cube, you'll be warm for the rest of yourlife ❤️

[jovial shadow]

Blindsight. And the Devil's did have devilsight in 2014, I guess they deleted it in 2024.

[humble cairn]

And I exaggerated, you're human, right? Your darkvision comes from Gloomstalker so you'd be able to stay at a max distance of 60ft, because beyond that you can't see them.

[lusty kelp]

go drow. 120 blindsight~

[rugged hawk]

But +3 ECL makes me sad

[jovial shadow]

Drow doesn't have blindsight

[lusty kelp]

use the buy-it-off rules

[hidden spindle]

When I designed a homebrew magic item, I couldn't decide on whether to put +1, +2, +3 to Ranged Weapon's attack rolls OR extend both normal and long range by 1x, 2x, 3x Normal Range.

Magic Item: Scope (varying rarities)

[remote wadi]

Gotcha. Either way, I could potentially climb up trees to also attack from above. Or cast Rope Trick if i really need to

I just wish that the ranged attacks were a bit more logical. Longbow that could launch an arrow from a different zip code: 1d8 damage
Musket that harnesses a controlled and powerful explosion to yeet metal long distances. Yeah, let's make the range slightly better than a sling

[humble cairn]

Pretty sure that was meant to portray it being an inaccurate weapon. Since it's meant to be a pretty rudimentary early gun.

[remote wadi]

I could maybe buy it, but the concept of rifling emerged in the late 1400-early 1500s

[humble cairn]

Simply being invisible to them should be pretty advantageous. Just stay in the darkness. You're a Gloomstalker, the darkness is your friend.

[hidden spindle]

Do you guys do trigonometry for attacking at (significantly) different heights?

[humble cairn]

D&D is not the place to look for historical accuracy.

[remote wadi]

I do probability calculation to understand how terribly Lady Luck screws me over

[remote wadi]

I guess it carried over from Assassin's Creed annoyances

[humble cairn]

So by your answer can I deduce that you have not been taking advantage of being able to go invisible anytime you're in the dark?

[remote wadi]

Either way, them being around their own light makes sense and really helps. Because I would be able to see them around the fire

[remote wadi]

In my defense:

• We are only level 4
• All combats since escaping the death house were in the morning

But I could also spend some time in this next town seeing if there is a bounty I could find and start. Would make for some good hunting, and would be a bit fitting to have an Owlin Wizard to help

[cursive fjord]

Where do I find what attribute is tied to tool kits?

[remote wadi]

Anyways, gotta sleep. Thanks for the advice, really appreciate it

[humble cairn]

You're still going for Ranger 5 and Extra Attack, right?

[remote wadi]

That's the plan

[hidden spindle]

In '24, where you find the list of tools, should list the ability score tied to'm

[crimson gulch]

If varies

[cursive fjord]

Thank you!

[fast latch]

One of my PCs is now a Winged Tief-Hum-Ampi-Zerai

Maybe I should’ve limited hybridization to two races

[cursive fjord]

Another side question but deals with more Roll20 where could be a decent place to ask?

[lusty kelp]

nah. go big. 10% tief, 35% hooman, 17% elf, 12% dwarf, 7% gnome....

[hidden spindle]

I like my Tieflings' Demons a Sahugin.

Did you get your demon in there?

[remote wadi]

Hold up, wait a minute

[lusty kelp]

no wait, only zooming

[remote wadi]

Potent potion giving those 2 extra d8s also apply to crits

[fast latch]

According to my hybridization rules, you only get 5 different racial features

Sure, you can still get Wings, a Feat, Magic Resistance, Vedalken Dispassion, and Dhampir Bite, but it’s not 6

[hidden spindle]

They're after the attack unfortunately

[remote wadi]

Oh, wait. Yeah, thats a saving throw

Brain is not braining. Need to sleep

[lusty kelp]

where's potent potion from, brain not remembering?

[remote wadi]

Poisoner feat

[lusty kelp]

aha! thx

[remote wadi]

1 hour and 50gp worth of materials later, you can make potent poisons equal to proficiency bonus

Apply to a piercing, slashing weapon, or up to 3 pieces of ammunition. Active for up to 1 minute

On hit, target must make a con save of DC 14 or take 2d8 poison damage and poisoned status until en of your next turn

[severe rampart]

my first DnD campaign will be next year, such a long wait 😔

[hidden spindle]

Next Christmas, I gave you my Character Sheet~

[lusty kelp]

like, 2 days next year, or 365 days next year

[severe rampart]

next year

which is in a day, for me

January 2 for me, January 1 for my fellow party members

[remote wadi]

One last thing before I sleep

For Cordon of Arrows, could the trap attack a person twice in one turn by having it both enter the range and end their turn within range?

[hidden spindle]

Yes.

[fast latch]

I’d rule no

[hidden spindle]

There's no clause that says they could only make this save once a turn

[remote wadi]

I figured it would

Wait. What happens if they are already within range?

[hidden spindle]

If it enters a space within 30ft, it'll proc again.

[lusty kelp]

if they start within range of the spell, then they don't "enter" it. they just get hit when their next turn ends

[remote wadi]

Gotcha

[hidden spindle]

Now, would planting poisoned ammunition proc the poison?

-# I'll ask #dnd-rules

[hot marlin]

Yes.

[remote wadi]

If within a minute, sure. But it also isn't the greatest idea because the arrows could miss, plus poisoned doesn't affect saving throws

But hey. No one said it would be perfect

[fast latch]

I’d rule yes

[remote wadi]

Like, the poisoned arrows would still work so long as the arrows are fired within a minute of applying and having the enemy fail the saving throw

[fast latch]

Why does the poison evaporate in one minute?

Unless the arrows are hot, that isn’t how liquid works

[jovial shadow]

Game rules. Doesn't always have to fit real life logic

[remote wadi]

It doesn't evaporate. It dries

[still plover]

And the mechanical difference is?

[lusty kelp]

dried pioson is inert, clearly.

while evaporated poison isn't

nevermidn that drying and evaporating are effectively the same thing

[hot marlin]

Tell me, have you ever left a bottle of ethanol open for a few minutes?

No matter how full the bottle, it's gone by the end of those minutes.

If the liquid part evaporates, what remains is dried and inert.

[lusty kelp]

what happens when you reintroduce the dried part to a liquid?

[hot marlin]

RAW, nothing. How I would rule it is that with an alchemist tool check you may be able to save your dose if you gather the dried part and work on integrating it with an appropriate liquid, giving you your poison back

[remote wadi]

Okay, something else before I go

Does the poisoner feat also make application to ammunition a bonus action too?

[empty thicket]

Remember,
Natural poisons can rot and make the poison less effective while mineral poisons tend to take a lot more of time for loosing their efficiency

[lusty kelp]

its a bonus action by default in 2024. Tasha's poisoner feat does make it as a bonus action in 2014

[hot marlin]

Does it say it does?

[remote wadi]

It says it for weapons. Idk if that includes ammunition

[hot marlin]

Yeah, same thing.

[jovial shadow]

It says both

[lusty kelp]

basic poison says three peices of amunition or one melee weapon

[reef copper]

I kinda feel like poison should take a good bit of time to put on your weapon, but it should stay on the weapon for a decent amount of time, depending on poison though

[fiery perch]

Can you help me with a character?
the theme is unearned privilege
Like

• Sorcerer
• Divine soul
• Aasimar
• Noble background
• Luck origin feat

Any more suggestions?

[livid echo]

Hello all I am new to dnd I played some of the video games like baldurs gate dark alliance 1 and 2 on original Xbox and of course number 3 on ps5 (though I did not finish act 1 on that one)

I played some Star Trek and dragon age ttrpg about 12-14 years ago so I’m a little familiar with ttrpg play but I’ve never tried dnd

I paid $90 to take an intro 101 campaign in January on Tuesday evenings 6-9pm at a close by game room they have a library of rule books so if I like it I can buy a book after

Anyone have any tips for someone new? Any good classes that are easy and straightforward? I think wizards are neat but may be a bit complicated to learn because of all the spells I’m guessing but maybe I should learn it at start if I’m interested since I’m paying for teaching

[remote wadi]

Action normally, bonus action for poisoner feat

[knotty pasture]

Fighter's probably one of the easiest

[remote wadi]

Human Fighter. That is all

[still plover]

Looks delightful to me!

[knotty pasture]

You just grab a sword or bow and poke people really hard with pointy things

[livid echo]

Kk Ty very much

[knotty pasture]

Action Surge when the enemy seems tougher than they should be

[fiery perch]

No one got enough unearned privilege by saying that's enough unearned privilege

is there any other rule I can push to it's edge to get something more?

[lusty kelp]

sounds like you have everything covered. what do you need help with? you starting at level 4 or higher?

[fiery perch]

starting at level 2

[lusty kelp]

Then I think there's nothing else to add for us

[hidden spindle]

Poisoner's Potent Poison is a lot like a mundane Smite.

[reef copper]

All the martial classes are decently basic. So fighter, monk, rogue, barbarian.

[wintry spindle]

Sometimes you just want a big sword and kill some goblins. No magic needed

[livid echo]

My first experience with ttrpg was Star Trek I won’t get into too much detail because this is dnd server but I learned a harsh reality that if you charge blindly into combat thinking your an action hero you will be destroyed lol got to use thinking

But it was a good lesson to learn I was so embarrassed they let me hold the item they were working so hard to get in heist and it got destroyed with me so dm had some quick thinking to do it derailed whole plan

[reef copper]

Things not working as they are planed can be part of the fun too. :)

[empty thicket]

Still, can go Wizard and play with it easily, is in theory the easies caster class

[remote wadi]

Agreed

[jovial shadow]

Monk is fun. Especially when the DM sets the environment to let you experience your niche abilities like moving along walls and across liquids or Deflecting attacks (and sometimes redirecting them back).

[burnt valley]

They have to be insane prodigies so ig roll til you get an 18 on your main stats

[reef copper]

Its more that they need to read a lot of spells to see what they do and keep track of them, so warlock is better for that purpose

[livid echo]

Oh yeah and the dm was so friendly and understanding it was a great experience and they still welcomed me in even though i messed up super great group of players I played for a year until I moved away

[wintry spindle]

I love playing a monk. But I don't like when people call them OP because they have stunning strike

[empty thicket]

Warlock have a lot of stuff
Spells
Invocations
Pact
Patron
Features

[reef copper]

Still easier i would say

[wintry spindle]

Warlock is my favourite caster

[knotty pasture]

I wouldn't say Wizard's easiest, Bard's probably easiest

[empty thicket]

and, one thing that i noticed from the starter classes (easiers),
Can adapt to a lot of stuff

[lusty kelp]

I'd say Sorcerer is easier than wizard. Wizard is meant for the people that like planning a head, and sorcerer is more spontaneous

[hidden spindle]

Sorcerer is easiest imo

[knotty pasture]

Part of Wizard is that its full power is only drawn out if the user is open to switch spells on the fly depending on the scenario

[jovial shadow]

There's always going to be hate on the Monk. It's usually from people who never played it, and just repeat stuff they heard

[lusty kelp]

Warlock... I love warlock and half-casters, but I wouldn't put it down as an introductory class

[knotty pasture]

Without some understanding of spells you simply might end up playing Wizard like a bad Sorcerer

[burnt valley]

It's a common reddit take unfortunately the same goes for "Sneak Attack op"

[knotty pasture]

Sorcerer has metamagic to learn but that's pretty straightforward

[reef copper]

Druid is maybe the hardest caster i would say

[empty thicket]

Na, monks are okey. I only have to worry for healing them.
They dont need armor//weapons at all so if we find some we know that he wont need it

[wintry spindle]

Also people think monk are strong because they have furry of blows. While the paladin just smites

[hidden spindle]

Sorcerer's Spells don't change often but Metamagic can change it up nicely 👌

[wintry spindle]

I think all casters are hard. Spell managment in itself is just hard

[reef copper]

2014 or 2024?

[empty thicket]

true and that is something i find good too because a wizard can change the spells and adapt more
While sorc need to use the metamagic, sacrifice spell slots, etc. etc.
Less is more sometimes

[wintry spindle]

2014 so the weaker one

[reef copper]

Ah yeah monk is just average i would say 2014

[burnt valley]

Warlock
Take Agonizing Blast and Repelling Blast, that's all you need to do to be effective (just don't forget not to dump your main stats)

[wintry spindle]

I like playing my monk don't get me wrong. I just don't like when people say "monk is so strong"

[jovial shadow]

Monks definitely can use weapons, as long as they are Monk weapons

[empty thicket]

that being?

[lusty kelp]

simple weapons mostly

[still plover]

Monk is a great controller. Push, grapple, trip?

[lusty kelp]

2024 monk with tavern brawler and grapple feats is pretty fun

[livid echo]

I think I’ll try fighter or possibly rogue I was a rogue in dragon age I enjoyed it I was one who was always sent in to crowd control via stealth to make it easier for party to get a jump in.

I was known as the cake bear because I always brought a home made giant cake each week to the dragon age game for everyone to share and my friend always bought a pizza so we had a feast each week

[knotty pasture]

Quarterstaves and spears are the main ones, rest are w/e

[wintry spindle]

2024 monks seem cool. Sadly stuck in 2014

[empty thicket]

and kinda tank, double stat for AC scaling
Good hp, high dext so mean more chances of dodging stuff//spells

[hidden spindle]

Torches. Fire good

[mystic crystal]

Paladin players, how do you feel about smite in 2024 vs 2014?

[lusty kelp]

honestly, I haven't really noticed a difference other than I can't use PAM with it.

[wintry spindle]

Sometimes I just wanna play a Human fighter with a big sword

[knotty pasture]

Rogue may sound complicated but there's only one major rule for it

Whoever your melee attacker is next to, sneak attack them

[mystic crystal]

“Real original”

[knotty pasture]

If you don't use sneak attack you simply hit like a wet noodle

[empty thicket]

the thing is, direct unarmed attacks get too powerful through the whole scaling

[livid echo]

Good to know tyvm

[empty thicket]

but yeah, cant deny a monk to have some daggers for starting the campaign until their hands start being a pair of hydrogen bombs

[mystic crystal]

I think my next character is gonna be a pally so I was curious, it honestly doesn’t seem like it changed in a bad way. Just keeps the burst damage in check.

[jovial shadow]

Don't let the "double stat" for AC fool you. It takes a long time to get some really good AC. A fighter can get AC 19 at 1st level with a +3 Dex, Chain Mail and Shield.

[knotty pasture]

iirc they only start matching weapon damage after like level 8-10, before that you basically are poking things with a spear

[livid echo]

lol one more thing in one of my groups we all chose to be grumpy so dm called us the company of unmerry men in reference to Robin Hood

[shrewd gale]

Chat I have a question for you, especially for dms

In high level campaigns, what do you think of the spell "true polymorph"

I've seen so many people using it for pure minmaxing, and I think the spell doesn't make sense at all, like you can't become a baby time dragon then wait for the eternity to become adult, all of that without making any sacrifice
And I wanted to have your opinion

I personnaly think if I had to change that spell I would make it so:
For the spell you have to pay something. The higher what you want to become, the bigger the price. If you don't pay it the spell will fail or be partly done, kinda like wish
For example if you want to become idk a CR 20 devil you have to sacrifice a hundred thousand lives

[hidden spindle]

Chain Mail & +3 DEX?

[mystic crystal]

Gonna turn your BBEG into a goldfish and keep him as a pet

[jovial shadow]

Goldfish with 200HP

[burnt valley]

You don't wait for the time dragon part, you use ghosts to age it up

[shrewd gale]

Still doesn't make sense

[lusty kelp]

Lay on hands feels so good now, too. Same with using Channel Divinity. I feel so much tankier now. Plus, Shield Mastery still works, so going sword/board pally is really, really good

[stone panther]

oh yeah i forgot about that whole loop lol

[empty thicket]

the stats numbers arent something i dig deep because it depend of what hte player choose or get
Yeah, i can get that or a monk with 17 dext and 16 widsom making him a living tank in early

or a monk with 12 dext and 11 widsom and those 2 are the best stats i got from a roll

[shrewd gale]

Unfortunately I don't think a dm would allow that

[empty thicket]

Luck is a factor, sadly or not

[mystic crystal]

Better hope they have counter spell prepared

[knotty pasture]

Here's a joke, in high op games the strongest Monk is by multiclassing into Fighter which... discards half of Monk's features

[shrewd gale]

Dm uses legendary action: no

[knotty pasture]

The best Monks end up not being Monks in a stereotypical way basically

[empty thicket]

how it "discard" features?

[mystic crystal]

Thanks! I’ve been reading my PBH and paladin seemed like it really didn’t change much

[stone panther]

we did once worm-ify an underboss with polymorph in one of my campaigns. lotss of "if i was a worm..." jokes

[livid echo]

Well y’all have a happy new years and thanks for all the tips and help I appreciate it.

I am taking a trip with family to great wolf lodge so we can go to indoor water park that’s open in winter it’s a lot of fun

This will be first year I can go down slides I always weighed over 300 pounds and weight limit is 250 so slides were a no go…. I lost so much weight I’m under 215 now I completely changed my life

Remember me saying I was the cake bear rofl it’s probably why I was so dang heavy

[knotty pasture]

You wear armor which disables the whole unarmored stuff

[fiery perch]

We are using point buy
35 points total
minimum 6
max 18

or we can roll
but the rules are
You can roll a set of stats once and call them your main stats
or after seeing your 1st set you can choose to go with the 1st one or roll a 2nd set (therefore ruling the 1st set out of the possibility of use)

[jovial shadow]

How is it half? At 18th level the Monk has everything it needs already.

[burnt valley]

It got nerfed in 2024, you pretty much succeeded the save 90% of the time

[mystic crystal]

Thats when you call them the “no fun police”

[mystic crystal]

Jokes on you I also have counter spell prepared

[lusty kelp]

Have a monk in party. Make them save vs Stun a bunch. THEN true polymorph them

[empty thicket]

oh that, yeah, kinda expected.
I would say that such class like monk dont need multiclass at all
It have a lot of stuff and reach a point were its just a monster. The only problem would be hordes of enemies but that is a common Martial weakness

[knotty pasture]

I'm not sure about the specifics and admittedly the half part was a generic statement rather than literally 50%, but the idea is that you'd wear armor and thus discard the bonus move speed and unarmored defense

[stuck quartz]

• High op games
• Monk

[mystic crystal]

This person gets it

[burnt valley]

I succeed the con save cuz of res:con

[lusty kelp]

I kinda like Warlock, because they're one of the few people that can Counterspell another Counterspell.

[jovial shadow]

Oh right. Yeah that's why Monks never wear armor or even wield a shield. You only multiclass in Fighter (or any class for that matter) for certain abilities or feats

[shrewd gale]

The problem in this spell is not turning the bbeg into a worm, that's kind of fun tbh
No the problem is turning YOURSELF into something

Because no, wotc, level 20 and cr20 is not the same amount of power

[knotty pasture]

If you want to play Monk in a high op game yes, not that people do it but guides are made for it

[lusty kelp]

"Casts a level 8 spell" "Counterspell!" "I counter your counter!"

[burnt valley]

The trick is to have your martials turned into brass dragons

[mystic crystal]

Why dose D&D not make you take off armor to get a good nights sleep? I couldn’t imagine getting a restful sleep in chain mail or plate armor.

[lusty kelp]

i thought it gave you levels of exhaustion?

[shrewd gale]

Depends on the dm
As a player I never had a long rest with armor

[hexed girder]

Xanathar's has a rule about sleeping in armor

[empty thicket]

if you are in the middle of a mission is expected to sleep with it
I think is something so "irrelevant" to point out sometimes, more if you are in a "safe area"

[hexed girder]

Sleeping in Armor

Sleeping in light armor has no adverse effect on the wearer, but sleeping in medium or heavy armor makes it difficult to recover fully during a long rest.

When you finish a long rest during which you slept in medium or heavy armor, you regain only one quarter of your spent Hit Dice (minimum of one die). If you have any levels of exhaustion, the rest doesn’t reduce your exhaustion level.

[umbral girder]

That’s a rule in Xanathar’s. You take off medium and heavy armor when long resting or get a debuff

[jovial shadow]

Have you ever watched fantasy movie where the adventurers took off their armor in the middle of the wilderness, just to sleep?

[mystic crystal]

I knew I saw something like that somewhere. My dm told me I was crazy

[mystic crystal]

I like a dash of realism with my fireballs

[lusty kelp]

yes, actually. mostly it was a cut away to them waking up in the middle of the night in fantasy-jammies, but close enough

[empty thicket]

Proficiency with that armor should make you dont get that debuff. But that might be just wrong so , anything work for me

[rugged hawk]

If you're not sleeping standing upright in your gear like a decorative suit of armor, you're not Resting properly

[wraith kelp]

hello i just played one game and my brain exploded

[mystic crystal]

Love some fantasy Jammie’s

[mystic crystal]

Welcome to the dark side

[wraith kelp]

um guys

why can i add spells infinitly

umh

guysss??

[halcyon forum]

are you a wizard?

[wraith kelp]

yes

[humble cairn]

DNDBeyond is not a good teaching tool, it will not correct mistakes that you make. It is an assistant for people who already know the rules. Luckily the rules are free to read online: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024

[halcyon forum]

wizards are allowed to add every possible spell into their spellbook in dnd beyond because the exact number you will learn is not predictable

[crimson gulch]

You can also type in a million gold and 30 in every stat, dnd beyond is for recording thing that you earn in game

[wraith kelp]

oh uh

[halcyon forum]

some wizards might never find a spell scoll or spell book, others might find a lot. the system allows you to add as many as necessary and trusts you to not abuse that

[wraith kelp]

but it didnt do that before

[halcyon forum]

wizards always worked like that on DnD beyond

[wraith kelp]

oh

welp i played sorcerer i tought they were same but wizards powers werent innate and sorcerers are

[halcyon forum]

sorcerers get spells very differently

[wraith kelp]

brb

[rugged hawk]

Yeah, kinda like the encounter designer expects me to not abuse it by putting 50 Demogorgons in it

[halcyon forum]

the number of spells they know is always specified

[humble cairn]

You can read about the Wizard class here: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/character-classes#Wizard

[wraith kelp]

kk ty

[halcyon forum]

and even with sorcerers, DnD Beyond allows some shenanigans. it just checks for the number of spells you know, not if the level distribution is possible

[wraith kelp]

btw i finally got my own idea for a character

[lusty kelp]

does it involve necromancy?

[wraith kelp]

whats that

sry my english is not advanced lol

[lusty kelp]

zombies

[wraith kelp]

oh, nope

how much spells can i add on a wizard?

3 cantrip 4 prepared?

[humble cairn]

The answers are in the rules: https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/character-classes#Wizard

[wraith kelp]

kk

so i was right

wait..

how did i put cleric spells on a wizard a minute ago and now i cant

ah found it

[storm magnet]

How do gods/patrons/magical beings view sorcerers in comparison to wizards and other magic based classes

[stoic obsidian]

If someone ask me about how to play a wizard, I tell them to pull out the mtg and tell them this is how you play it

Mostly as a joke

[rugged hawk]

Find darkness. Cast magic missile at it. Profit.

[exotic fjord]

Heyo! Where can I find games to join?

[stoic obsidian]

Cast fireball on the wood monster profit

[stoic obsidian]

#channel-guide

Read this for the guide on channels

[rugged hawk]

I'm too lazy to fight these crossdressing, dancing zombies. I Wish they were another table's problem.

[exotic fjord]

O I went there but I only see instructions not people's post

[minor cargo]

You can type the commands in ANY channel you can type. Including this one!

[stoic obsidian]

You haven’t check the roles have you

[exotic fjord]

It wasn't added to my channel list.My bad guys

[stoic obsidian]

#looking-for-players

Anyway, I find it funny my dm gave pages of spells, and I decided to mostly get ritual spells

[rugged hawk]

I've forgotten what the difference is between rituals and non-rituals

[severe rampart]

Correct me if I'm wrong but, I think one's a ritual, and one isn't

[stoic obsidian]

The difference is rituals are always prepared on a wizard

[rugged hawk]

Ew, wizard

[crimson gulch]

ritual spells you can cast as a ritual and save the spell slot

[stoic obsidian]

If people don’t get fussy about the time it takes

[wraith kelp]

guys i made a character!

[crimson gulch]

Time should be valuable, if you give your players unlimited amounts of it, its like giving them unlimited of any resources

[stoic obsidian]

And that should done by you and not us

Oh nvm

[rugged hawk]

Me too, but I don't like my stats. Someone help me reroll myself. /s

[wraith kelp]

but it wasnt 😔

[stoic obsidian]

Thought you said you need a character

Sorry

[wraith kelp]

np

[wraith kelp]

i used standard array

[severe rampart]

I rolled a nat 1 on Intelligence and Charisma

[rugged hawk]

Pretty sure my ma dumped my wis and cha stats

[wraith kelp]

i wanna make seccond character but idk what class makes it work

[hidden spindle]

You can reroll yourself when you're on fire by dropping Prone and rolling.

[reef tundra]

Wis and str are absolutely my irl dump stats

[wraith kelp]

wait brb

[stoic obsidian]

Fair, but dang 11 minutes for telepathic bond when we have a day still isn’t that long of a thing like dang guys

[loud tendon]

Makes what work?

[wraith kelp]

well

[stoic obsidian]

The character back story?

[reef tundra]

Every class works well
-# I am not open for debate

[severe rampart]

Except of course that one specific class, you know what I'm talking about

[rugged hawk]

Classes that don't prepare spell slots >>>>> classes that do

[stoic obsidian]

You mean artificer?

[reef tundra]

Artificer

[reef tundra]

My man 💪 /j

[wraith kelp]

yes but i was thinking of a guy who is a mechanic and likes to scacvange everything and turn it into his some kind of robots and weapons witch he uses to fight

[reef tundra]

tired Sigh sounds like artificer

[stoic obsidian]

But artificer does work tho

[severe rampart]

what kind of robots

[wraith kelp]

yall were just talking abt it lol

[reef tundra]

I only jokingly slander artificer

[wraith kelp]

well the kind of witch he can make with the materials he scavanges

[reef tundra]

While every fibre of my being sets ablaze when I think of it, it mechanically works well

[stoic obsidian]

It not even that hard to make an old school inventor in medieval setting, or any setting really

[hidden spindle]

That's a Tavern Brawler

[severe rampart]

If you really really don't want to be an artificer, you can try a cleric that can make golems

[wraith kelp]

btw anyone wanna see what character i made few mins ago

[stoic obsidian]

Golems, golems, golems, I love golems

[wraith kelp]

lol idk what artificer does so ill first research that

[reef tundra]

It’s the only class where I need to actually put in work to reflavour so it works in most settings

[severe rampart]

the artificer artifices

[wraith kelp]

uh?

[stoic obsidian]

And you saying cavemen didn’t invent the wheel?

[reef tundra]

It makes your DM punch you /j

[timid current]

artificers make mundane tihngs into minor magical things

[wraith kelp]

oo cool

[timid current]

hilariously, they do not make artifacts

[wraith kelp]

btw how do i claim free nitro on epic games 😭

[stoic obsidian]

I see artificers as inventors

[hidden spindle]

Artificer are just using their tools. Tools existed since the dawn of time

[wraith kelp]

lol i tought they did by the name

[timid current]

they copy stuff, they're more like gen AI than actual creators

[stoic obsidian]

And so was inventing stuff

[cosmic roost]

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[marble lion]

They are magical craftsmen with spell casting through items

[wraith kelp]

oh sorry

[onyx kelp]

I'm sorry why is blade ward and shield of faith the same in 2024 besides one lasting the AWKWARD timing of 10 minutes???

[severe rampart]

OH YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO TURN THAT OFF?

[wraith kelp]

lol

[hidden spindle]

Blade Ward & Shield of Faith are different

[onyx kelp]

I mean crap, blade ward is technically better on average during the minute it' s active.

[stoic obsidian]

Especially on melee casters

[onyx kelp]

I guess shield of faith is a bonus action but is that worth the spell slot??

[crimson gulch]

sheild of faith can be cast on other players too

[hidden spindle]

It can be worth it.

[onyx kelp]

Yeah I guess...

[timid current]

shield of faith is a +2 to AC, it is very useful

[onyx kelp]

Blade ward is 2.5, no spell slot. But yeah it's a minute instead of 10, and only self.

[timid current]

2.5 what?

[onyx kelp]

Ac

[timid current]

no, that it is not. AC comes in discrete whole numbers

[crimson gulch]

hes calculating the average dice roll of the d4

[onyx kelp]

And it is discretely better than or equal to shield of faith, 3/4ths of the time

[hidden spindle]

Bladeward to me is always a minimum of +1. Any extra is nice~

[timid current]

it's a penalty roll attached to an enemy attack. that can be modified or changed with other things that modify rolls. it's different. it's very good. but it's different

[onyx kelp]

In practice, hardly. What ways would it interact differently? That actually impact whether something hits.

[marble lion]

I think ac vs atk is a plus minus calculation so it is the same

I wouldnt be surprised if there was like a specific interaction where its different but cant think of any

[timid current]

AC cannot have advantage or disadvantage for one. +1d4 is different on a disadvantaged attack roll than it is on an advantaged attack roll.

[hidden spindle]

Blade Ward is closer to Bane

[onyx kelp]

Ac is only applied to attacks. Blade ward is only applied to attacks 🤷‍♂️

[timid current]

anyway, both spells are great

[crimson gulch]

what? you dont roll the d4 with advantage, just the d20

[onyx kelp]

I don't think the spell slot and awkward time extension is worth it, but being able to cast It on others might be.

[marble lion]

The d4 is only rolled once even when the attack has adv

[timid current]

I know this

but adding or subtracting from a roll that was made with advantage or disadvantage means diminishing or expanding returns

[marble lion]

So one reduces your roll by up to 4
While the other makes you have to roll 2 higher

[crimson gulch]

its the exact same numerical effect as an increase to the AC though so not really

[marble lion]

I dont think there is a difference there even with adv

[hidden spindle]

Barkskin

[marble lion]

What is that

[stoic obsidian]

Their really isn’t

[onyx kelp]

Yes. So it is the same as +x (x=1,2,3, or 4) to the players Ac for the purposes of Ac being attacked, which is the only thing Ac is used for. They apply the same benefit, one slightly higher as a cantrip, one slightly more variably as a spell slot.

[onyx kelp]

They both work with barkskin the same way. Pretty sure.

[hidden spindle]

In terms of difference between AC vs atk.

Barkskin sets your AC minimum.

But it would benefit more if the incoming attack is reduced than increasing low AC

[marble lion]

Ah barkskin sets an ac instead of adding, making it work with ward but not bonus ac from shield of faith?

[stoic obsidian]

Also you can chuck in synaptic static

[timid current]

wait what is all this context I thought we were ignoring that context can change things ;P

[marble lion]

Barkskin doesnt work with bonuses

[stoic obsidian]

Now you have -d4 from blade ward and -d6 from synaptic static

[marble lion]

I am not ignoring context. Im asking for it

[stoic obsidian]

Now what the odds of being hit?

[marble lion]

So big win to shye for finding a case where it functions differently

[stoic obsidian]

Barkskin turn ac into 17 ac

[marble lion]

Though only because one simply doesnt work

[stoic obsidian]

Yup, that pretty important

[onyx kelp]

Oh, potentially bark skin does remove bonuses. The more you know. Blade ward WOULD be better for it then.

[marble lion]

Though isnt both concentration anyway?

[timid current]

the other big differences are action economy and target selection of course

[stoic obsidian]

Yes

[hidden spindle]

Barkskin is Concentration-free

[marble lion]

Oh cool

[timid current]

blade ward is an action, and only targets youreslf (and your horse if you're a paladin with a mount!) Shield of Faith is a bonus action and can target whoever you want

[stoic obsidian]

So bladeward is better in the sense it last a while being a cantrip, so it nice for longer combat

[hidden spindle]

Perhaps in '14. I don't think Find Steed carries benefits anymore.

Find Greater Steed might still

[stoic obsidian]

Nice on melee caster that replace an attack with a use of a cantrip

[hidden spindle]

Beastmaster Ranger though with Magic Initiate: Wizard with Share Spell & Mage Armor

[wraith kelp]

guys werent artificer free?

[timid current]

another thing that doesn't really come up because people forget but some traps target AC - blade ward only works against creature attacks

[livid owl]

Nah it's always been pay to play

[wraith kelp]

oh..

[onyx kelp]

Ok good, a second use. Thanks @timid current I didn't know about Ac traps

[wraith kelp]

welp i guess i aint making that lol

[cosmic roost]

No pings, please :pray:

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[onyx kelp]

My bad.

[stoic obsidian]

Unless it was a mimic/jk

[severe rampart]

Their name had "no pings please" 😭

[wraith kelp]

anyone willing to rate my character?

[rugged hawk]

It's almost like DND players don't read or something

[hidden spindle]

Next best Artificer-like is Thief Rogue, or a Bard.

[stoic obsidian]

Like the average card game player?

[wraith kelp]

cuz we aint lol

[rugged hawk]

Hush, I'm too busy lording my money over foolish kids in a children's card game. Screw the rules, I have MONEY!

[wraith kelp]

brb

[naive cedar]

screw the rules, I have eldritch blast

[burnt valley]

Yugioh paragraph ahh card description

[hidden spindle]

Playing Yu-gi-oh has done me in with reading

[rugged hawk]

I play Decanter of Endless Water in attack mode to draw three additional Terrasques from my pocket dimension.

[hidden spindle]

I flip my Alchemy Jug. I gain 1000 LP

[burnt valley]

"My grandpa has no pathetic cards Kaiba. But it does contain the unstoppable Mighty Servant of Leuk-o!"

[hidden spindle]

EXODIA!! ELDRITCH BLAST!!

[stoic obsidian]

And I activate my anti magic field deactivating you decanter of endless affect, and since it disables all magic my fighter can strike at your life force for game

[loud tendon]

You can share a character sheet for folks to review over in #character-discussion

[rugged hawk]

Exodia! Wail of the Banshee!

[naive cedar]

“My grandpa’s prepared spells has no pathetic spells, Kaiba! Well, except maybe for True Strike…”

[rugged hawk]

Nah, True Strike was for Mind Crush to not miss

[burnt valley]

-5 LP

[stoic obsidian]

You haven’t seen 2024 true strike have you

[naive cedar]

I haven’t actually read 2024 yet

[rugged hawk]

There's good reasons I believe WotC ruins everything good and right in the world.

[naive cedar]

I still enjoy meming on true strike regardless

[hidden spindle]

They done my Medium Armor Master dirty...

[timid current]

2024 true strike is excellent. also if you're not a fan of WOTC and would rather talk about yu gi oh I'm sure they've got a discord too

can split your attention a little, leave D&D here and YGO there

[stoic obsidian]

It mostly for memery

[naive cedar]

I just saw people making yugioh abridged references

[timid current]

do what you want with your time~

[naive cedar]

So if true strike isn’t the loser spell anymore whats the current loser spell?

[loud tendon]

Which are veering off topic and would thus not be allowed in these spaces.. memes also, not allowed.

A little veering is okay but it gets excessive and goes off the cliff quickly.

So, let's cast levitate and get back to d&d please.

[stoic obsidian]

We already did

[hidden spindle]

Find Traps is still a heavy contender

[timid current]

already got cheersed, lets keep moving on

[hidden spindle]

Tensor's Floating Disk piggybacking

[burnt valley]

Find Traps, Wall of Ice, Spirit Shroud

[timid current]

I like tenser's, it's fun. it's not going to beat a dragon but it's got uses

it's the kind of spell I feel wizarding should lean into

[halcyon forum]

two of those are decent spells

[hidden spindle]

I feel Monk's with Ritual Caster should 100% pick up Tensor's Floating Disk

[halcyon forum]

not amazing but middle of the road

[stoic obsidian]

Tbh tenser could be use at parties to be a floating waiters table

Man spells in dnd make everyone inconveniences disappear

[burnt valley]

Wall of Ice does not deserve the level its at tbh, it feels very much like a 3rd or 4th lvl at most

[hot marlin]

The problem with evaluating what makes a spell good or bad is that there are two things to consider.
Does the spell do something worthwhile? (This excludes Find Traps for example)
If yes, is it at the right level for what it does? (This excludes wall of ice)

Wall of ice is good. For a 4th level spell

[halcyon forum]

I mean it still does stuff that is useful. unlike old true strike or find traps

[hot marlin]

But at its current level? It's just not worth the spell slot

[halcyon forum]

find traps would be barely worth it if it was a cantrip

wall of ice is just a bit undertuned

[stoic obsidian]

It kinda why a spell is worth using by how often it can be used for what you want to achieve with the character

[hidden spindle]

Hey DM, Cast Cantrip: Find Traps, any traps nearby?

[burnt valley]

Prestidigitation could be loser level as well

[crimson gulch]

man, WOTC should announce some new books allready