dnd-discussion

[naive cedar]

Yeah that’s where I was confused because the portrayal of Hades in say, Greek mythology, is a lot different from the pop culture portrayal, which appears to be what DND is drawing from

[lavish flame]

You're talking about the Plane. I'm talking about the Greek God

[delicate owl]

So. How does everyone do measuring between a target and something higher than it? What I see that works is just taking the bigger result. If they are 30ft away horizontally but 10ft up. Its just 30ft. If they are 60ft up but only 10ft away horizontally, its 60ft.

[glass granite]

What most people think of when they think of hades is closer to Thanatos, and even then Thanatos ain’t evil…

[hushed mason]

Hades' greatest evil is that he is apathetic.

[hushed mason]

Keres - the violent deaths.

[glass granite]

Indeed

Though are they gods?

Could’ve sworn they’re closer to like, spirits or powerful beings

[rugged hawk]

Nah, just humans with way too much power and way too little self-control

[delicate owl]

Yes I know there is the pythagorean theorem but this is more so for convenience.

[rugged hawk]

Like Homelander!

[rugged hawk]

Don't forget to calculate wind direction, gravity's impact on the projectile's path, and projectile velocity

[hushed mason]

I was going to drive around and catch pokemon...

[glass granite]

Actually, what most people think of might be closer to Tartarus, mixed with Than

[hushed mason]

Tartarus - the utterdarkness.

[rugged hawk]

Soooo.... let's say a character becomes too dependent on a magical alert to detect danger. I imagine that'd probably nerf their Passive Perception, at minimum.

[glass granite]

I personally wouldn’t change it. Unless they also lose wisdom in doing so.

[nova trellis]

It was a nation built on conquering and assimilating everything in sight. Plus like, most nations who had a pantheon had slavery.

[rugged hawk]

My thinking was that if they were actively alert for threats, full Perception skill, but passive should take a hit since too unguarded to pay much attention, relying almost exclusively on their magical alarm

[lavish flame]

Yeah you nailed it. I take the 2 legs of the triangle I know, the distance between the attacker and the target, and the distance between the target at the floor. I then choose the higher of the two, they're that far away.

[rugged hawk]

Soooo.... who thinks this should totally be applicable to ranged spell attacks?

When you hit a creature that hasn’t taken a turn in the combat yet, your attack deals an extra 2d6 damage. You can use this feature a number of times equal to your Proficiency Bonus, regaining all expended uses when you finish a Long Rest.

[crimson gulch]

That's the bugbear racial ability but worse

And that one works on spell attacks

[rugged hawk]

Also.... Twinned Spell. Same target? 👀

Pls let me doublestrike with Chromatic Orbs on the same poor fool

[crimson gulch]

twin spell could never doubletap the same target

what you want with that suprise attack is scorching ray

[rugged hawk]

All I've got is Sorcerous Burst, Chromatic Orb, and my Trident of Warning

Oh well, this Specter's only got 22 HP, so Chromatic Orb may do the job anyway

[jovial shadow]

Is that how twin spell works? I thought you could only apply it to different targets (not counting Chromatic Orb's exceptional feature)?

[remote wadi]

So, uhhh... that didn't go so well

But I don't want to talk about it here aside from that. Dms open if interested, I guess

[umbral girder]

Been reading some of the King in Yellow, now to figure out what aspects I want to take from it for a One shot.

[remote wadi]

I specifically remember that from the game Sucker for Love

It was a pretty fun game

[umbral girder]

My main thought is “Evil Bard Cult”

Like their plays are getting too deranged and is getting people actually hurt.

Since a running theme about the King in Yellow is transgressive art

[unkempt roost]

Eldritch horror

[umbral girder]

That’s what the Cthulhu mythos did with it yes.

[unkempt roost]

There's also some Steven King stuff with that too

[umbral girder]

The King in Yellow is a book that’s an older than the Lovecraft books notably. Almost as old as the Lovecraft himself in fact.

[tidal bloom]

Hey guys so can every full caster with proficiency in Arcana make a spell scroll? If so is that the case in both 5e versions?

[umbral girder]

Yes last I checked

Actually let me check the 2024 version.

[unkempt roost]

I'm pretty sure basic spell books can be made by anyone given the right materials

[umbral girder]

I know for a fact Xanathar’s talked about Arcana as a requirement to make scrolls

[umbral girder]

Ok in 2024 it’s Arcana OR Calligraphy Supplies proficiency

I’ll recheck Xanathar’s

[unkempt roost]

Probably need to have the knowledge on how to do it

[umbral girder]

Ok in 2014 it is only Arcana Proficiency.

And for both case it’s a spell you have Prepared (or is on your Known Spells list for 2014)

[rugged hawk]

Forgot bloody Specters are resistant to all my forms of damage. Took a Chromatic Orb, a Shield, and three Sorcerous Bursts to finish it off. Then the flying sword dodged my upcasted Chromatic Orb, even after I burned my daily use of Favored by the Gods.

[umbral girder]

Spellcaster issues

[rugged hawk]

Speaking of, do we still need Point Blank Shot to not get -4 on ranged attacks in melee?

[empty thicket]

i guess it depend of the weapon

[empty thicket]

neat, might use this info for a wizard im planning to do

[rugged hawk]

Checking through Google, it appears the answer is both 'no' and 'actually managed to get even worse'.

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/playing-the-game#RangedAttacksinCloseCombat

[empty thicket]

hope the dm dont mind me doing some magic tattoos or write on the skin of the PC some spells

[umbral girder]

Oh you can

Spell Sniper, Sharpshooter, Gunner, and Crossbow Expert can get past the Ranged attacks in melee distance rule

Spell Sniper for spells and the others for ranged weapons

[umbral girder]

Not sure what this is referring too. Sounds like a Pathfinder rule than a D&D rule.

[empty thicket]

3 feats for each range weapons category and only spell sniper for all the spells....Ouf...

[umbral girder]

Sharpshooter does all ranged weapons in 2024 last I checked

[empty thicket]

ouf, good. Because damn it hurt that

[rugged hawk]

3.5*. Used to be a feat.

[umbral girder]

Ah so #dnd-elder-editions is what you need.

This chat is mainly 5e talk.

[rugged hawk]

Nope, playing 5e. Didn't know if the feat was still needed

I was assuming 'yes', so I was backing out of melee range before casting, since I had the AC to avoid most AoOs, but I'd prefer not to take so many AoO's if I don't have to.

[remote wadi]

@rugged hawk Wanted to ask, are dms open?

[rugged hawk]

Why would my DMs be open when there's a channel right here?

[jovial shadow]

AoO's?

[rugged hawk]

attacks of opportunity

[remote wadi]

Wanted to talk with you, but not in this channel

[jovial shadow]

Oh. It's just called Opportunity Attack

[crimson gulch]

You have disadvantage on ranged attacks when you have an enemy in melee with you

[glass granite]

AoO is used sometimes, though I use OA

[remote wadi]

I mean, is that a yes or...

[umbral girder]

Yeah you don’t get AoO while casting spells in melee anymore

[rugged hawk]

Obviously not, if I wanted to privately natter on with random strangers, I'd leave my DMs open.

[remote wadi]

I see. My apologies

[rugged hawk]

Thankee, that was the next thing I was checking up on

[umbral girder]

There are a handful of monsters that do I think

But like maybe 3 in total

And one is module specific I know

And one is from those MTG books.

[rugged hawk]

Also, I can't imagine anything so dire it can't be said in our shared servers

[umbral girder]

Yeah your only concern is Ranged attacks in close combat which you linked before for the disadvantage

[unkempt roost]

A chest that isn't a mimic but has a ghoul hiding inside waiting to pop out

[umbral girder]

Which is negated by the feat Spell Sniper

[rugged hawk]

Also, I'm too lazy to switch chats

[umbral girder]

Tomb of Horrors encounter

[remote wadi]

Not so much that it needs to be. Just something on my mind that saying it in chat would get some people upset

[remote wadi]

Understandable

[rugged hawk]

I'm alright with that, it's a popcorn moment SAY IT

[unkempt roost]

I think my next campaign will be very horror resident evil coded lots of ghouls and zombies and the like

A haunted mansion with a mystery to solve

[glass granite]

Sounds fun

[remote wadi]

Feeling really powerless with my character and myself from how many times trying to negotiate just fell apart and made everything work

[rugged hawk]

Oh for the love of....

[remote wadi]

You remind me of the man

[rugged hawk]

I knew this was going places, but I forgot who tf you were. Look, just go find a necromancer, they've got spines galore to spare, have him install one, and then go put your foot down.

[umbral girder]

Cool! Do you have access to Van Ritchen’s Guide to Ravenloft?

[unkempt roost]

I will probably just use basic stuff and homebrew the rest

[glass granite]

Tbh, I’m not too surprised. With how strong ranged combat is usually in dnd, many DM’s wouldn’t see a need to buff it.

[rugged hawk]

Because seriously, that group is toxic to you

[umbral girder]

Ah it has a few monsters that fit the theme is why I offered

But in terms of core rules I recommend the Gibbering Mouther

It’s low in CR but gets the gross body horror of RE pretty well.

[unkempt roost]

Sounds good

[remote wadi]

Not that I didn't do it
But that I did and... yeah

But could be worse, I suppose. And that was a pretty funny comment, I'll give you that

[glass granite]

Seriously tho, I do recommend either changing classes, or leaving the table.

And I know how you feel about that, but I’m saying it anyway

[tidal bloom]

Nice so it isn't only Wizards who can make scrolls?

[unkempt roost]

Might use some reskinned trolls as well

[glass granite]

This table just doesn’t seem to be a good fit for you

[rugged hawk]

If my Passive Investigation is 10, and the Investigation DC is 10, do I need to roll?

[unkempt roost]

No DND is better than bad DND

[rugged hawk]

Also part of why I DM for myself Also due to time constraints of other people

[glass granite]

Id say yes, cuz anything that requires a roll that low probably can just be seen

[rugged hawk]

Sooo... I don't need to roll?

[glass granite]

I…would rule so? Idk tbh. Not too sure how the passive investigation stuff work

[umbral girder]

Passive stats (except perception) have largely been removed

So you just gotta roll now.

[rugged hawk]

It would probably help if I actually read the 2014/2024 rules fully sometime

[glass granite]

Aren’t passive insight and investigation still in the game?

[umbral girder]

The 2014 Dmg has an optional rule for passive skills last I checked

[idle oar]

No roll if you meet or beat with passives (but ultimately the DM decides if they are using passives and if a passive is appropriate in that game context)

[umbral girder]

Not to my knowledge

[rugged hawk]

They're still on my char sheet

[umbral girder]

Yeahs that’s a DNDB issue

[glass granite]

Ah

[brittle beacon]

passive checks in general are something you can do for any skill.

[jovial shadow]

Pretty sure passive checks are not done by the players, but by the GM

[brittle beacon]

yep

[rugged hawk]

Aha, I knew it, campaign's trying to whack me. Not just ONE but TWO rings of braided silver hidden in the tomb! I couldn't have healed myself if I didn't have Mage Hand to handle them with.

[empty thicket]

nope

because you already fit the requirement for the action

[glass tartan]

hI guys hope you all are good, I'm new to end and unfortunately hav no interested people to play with/no local game stores for that......any recommendations to that problem??

[empty thicket]

Even rolling a nat1, you still have the numbers for doing the action

[rugged hawk]

Nice, I was adventuring near Red Larch while attempting to deal with the Elemental Evils.

[empty thicket]

Elemental evils? what is that?

[rugged hawk]

Princes of the Apocalypse

[tidal bloom]

Well since I plan on DMing I now chamged my role to both Player and DM

Although I'm still pretty new and haven't DMed yet so I don't know if that is stolen valour

[umbral girder]

Internet

[empty thicket]

its a start so, you will seeing slowly how you approach, lead and move the story.
Remember, plan on the failure. If the party dices are unlucky, then you are okey

[empty thicket]

Damn, amazing story. Now i know how to romance that 2.5mts tall goliat waitress, i will make her the happies wife in the world || ||

[hushed mason]

A lot of folks play online.

[rugged hawk]

I play solo for a lot of reasons, but it's still handy to hang around in here for social purposes and questions

[tidal bloom]

I am folks

[rugged hawk]

Hi folks, I'm the echo

[tidal bloom]

I like virtual DnD more

It's superior I think or atleast easier and more welcoming then irl

[rugged hawk]

I own three of the D&D board games, the ones that go together.

[glass granite]

Hey that’s my line

[glass tartan]

yeah thank and that's what I'm looking for ,got any lead?

[tidal bloom]

I thought Dad jokes are Nuggets thing

[rugged hawk]

Quiet, chimkin

[tidal bloom]

Just when you speak of the devil

[hushed mason]

#looking-for-players

[glass tartan]

llike using discord?

[tidal bloom]

Solo?

[tidal bloom]

Yea discord and then use a tool like Owlbear Rodeo to play on

[glass tartan]

already checked

[tidal bloom]

I personally found my group in a content creators community

[glass granite]

Have you made a #looking-for-dm post? There’s also reddit, roll20 and DnD beyond forums.
To make a #looking-for-dm post type /looking-for dm

[tidal bloom]

There a few people have done dnd as a hobby and then introduced it to others and we got a few people who went on to DM us

The folks there I was already familiar with before DnD cause most of the players are active guys in the community too

[glass tartan]

K guys thanks a lot

[umbral girder]

The easiest method I’ve learned is to become a DM yourself and run short campaigns with people to test out groups

[rugged hawk]

Also, I don't care if stuff is 'third-party' as long as it's in the Marketplace for sale. Don't wanna bother a DM with all that extra stuff I have, plus I can't be arsed to wait around for someone to be available. I can do it myself, Mom!

[umbral girder]

Once you get a good group you can cycle through DMing or games

[tidal bloom]

Hmm do Warlocks count as fullcasters for the mechanic of crafting scrolls?

[umbral girder]

Yeah why not?

It doesn’t require you to be a full caster

Just have the spell prepared (or known for 2014)

[tidal bloom]

Ah right

Any Spellcaster so even Eldritch Knights I guess?

[umbral girder]

So an Eldritch Knight can do it, but a Shadow Monk cannot

[tidal bloom]

They aren't spellcasters right?

[umbral girder]

Basically who ever has the Spellcasting or Pact Magic feature

[tidal bloom]

Monks can do similar stuff to spellcasters but it's not magic

[unkempt roost]

The humble human cleric

[umbral girder]

Well it is magic (at least in 2014) but not spellcasting

First page about Monks in the 2014 PHB calls them out as Magic.

[tidal bloom]

Yea I guess it could be interesting then. I got a group of Spellcasters like we are four or so and since I'm an Wizard I can learn a spells from spell scrolls too. So I can ask my fellows to craft scrolls for me to extent my spell pool.

[umbral girder]

Just remember you can only use and scribe spells from scrolls that are on the Wizard spell list

So no scrolls of Cure Wounds for example

[tidal bloom]

Hopefully they got proficiency in Arcana though

[tidal bloom]

Oh yea I know

[undone fable]

What do you mean

i dont understand this

[umbral girder]

For example Wizards can cast Find Familiar but a Cleric does not

[unkempt roost]

What if I want to be a doctor using medicine and surgical means

[umbral girder]

So if a Cleric got a scroll of Find Familiar they cannot use it.

Because it is not in their spell list

[olive wasp]

Oh I was always under the impression that anyone could use a spell scroll

[umbral girder]

No they cannot

[olive wasp]

Just like a single use spell that vanishes once used

[olive wasp]

Oh ok neato

[umbral girder]

They are single use but can only be used by people who already can cast it

[umbral girder]

There is a magic item that does this but stops at 5th level spells

These are the Spell-wrought Tattoos from Tasha’s Cauldron of Everything

[unkempt roost]

A scroll of fireball but unbeknownst to the party, it has a range of 5ft

[undone fable]

Clerics cant cast find familiar?

What about rangers?

[umbral girder]

Yep

[umbral girder]

Rangers cannot

Not without a feat or magic item to help them

[undone fable]

ooof

What about sorcerers?

[umbral girder]

No it’s a Wizard only spell

There are ways like Bard’s magical secrets or a Warlock’s Pacts.

But as a Class spell, Find Familiar is Wizard only

[stone panther]

i like going magic initiate for find familiar, pretty much no matter what character i have. i just love having a little pet

[keen valve]

For a hot minute I genuinely didn't believe, but you're totally right. It's kind of wild, I feel like find familiar makes a lot of sense for a ranger.

[umbral girder]

Closest you got is Beast Master and casting Beast Bond on it

[empty thicket]

wait, Ranger, one of the 2 classes around nature, cant cast find familiar?! damn...

i feel betrayed

[umbral girder]

Don’t see why they need it

[hard topaz]

hey guys I'm completely new to DND anyone, It's not really something my friends are into right now, any one down to teach or play?

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[empty thicket]

for nothing, but its like...A class around nature cant conjurate the spirit of an animal
But can Animal messager, animal friendship, summon beast, etc. etc.

"A chef that cant boil an egg" is the way i see it

[umbral girder]

Barbarian and Ancients Paladin have ties to nature and they don’t either.

Find Familiar isn’t really a requirement to be a nature class.

[empty thicket]

that is subclass, not directly and again, Animal this, summon beast, etc. etc.

[umbral girder]

Still don’t see the point

[tranquil temple]

Autognome or warforged?

[glass granite]

You wanna be beeg or smol?
I personally like warforged, but I also love me an autognome

[tranquil temple]

But what about the difference in gameplay between the two? Isn’t autognome closer to a true robot?

[stone panther]

they look pretty much the same amount of "robot-iness" from a gameplay perspective

[glass granite]

Warforged are more durable, but yeah autognomes are more robot

[stone panther]

warforged get constructed resilience and autognome get mechanical nature. there dont seem to be any actual mechanical differences between the two features

[empty thicket]

Class that is around nature and use magic related to nature cant invocate the spirit of an animal. Again, A chef that cant boil an egg

[glass granite]

Autognome are smol, and can add a d4 to their d20 tests a bit

[umbral girder]

It’s not a spirit of an animal?

[cerulean monolith]

Bards can’t cast a spell to make music. Chef can’t boil an egg.

[umbral girder]

It’s a spirit made into the shape of an animal.

That’s why their creature type isn’t beast after all.

[cerulean monolith]

Nor is it undead

[umbral girder]

Don’t see why Rangers need it.

Like Druids and Wizards get it for their obvious ties to the Fey.

[empty thicket]

Bards use music for cast spells.

[cerulean monolith]

No

[woven flint]

Not all bards are musicians 🧐

[rough basalt]

I love Bards

[umbral girder]

Most are story tellers

[glass granite]

Bards are probably my second fav class after monk, they’re just quite fun to play.

[stone panther]

the few bards i have done have been really fun, but playing a charisma caster always makes me want to go back to warlock my beloved

[umbral girder]

They are alright

[woven flint]

Playing Charisma casters makes me seethe deep inside

[empty thicket]

okey, my bad
"Spellcasting Focus. You can use a Musical Instrument as a Spellcasting Focus for your Bard spells."
The instrument.

[rough basalt]

I enjoy Charisma casters the most when I'm the only one.

[lavish flame]

This reads like the Homer Simpson "Money can be used in exchange for goods and services" lmao

[glass granite]

I greet the Lord of Goofy!

[woven flint]

Perish.

[cerulean monolith]

That, in fact, doesn’t mean they play the instrument

[rough basalt]

Just that they can use an instrument and use it as a focus if they want.

[umbral girder]

Even their class features aren’t locked into music

[empty thicket]

wait, now that i think about it,
they can use a Leaf like an instrument, because you can make music with it and htat make it into an instrument

[humble cairn]

And you can use a component pouch and never touch an instrument if you want.

[rough basalt]

Certain Subclasses even have special foci

[cerulean monolith]

The rules for foci are that you hold it.

And, this is ironically kind of my point anyways. My point was that Bards do not have a spell to produce music, despite producing music being ‘their thing’. Similarly, Rangers do not have a spell to create an animal ally despite that being their thing

[rough basalt]

Like Spirits Bard can use a Tarrok Deck

[remote wadi]

Did not know Paladins get Lay On Hands

[potent siren]

I guess you can do music with certain illusion spells

[humble cairn]

Summon Beast?

[empty thicket]

weird stuff at the dn of the day

[cerulean monolith]

Notice how Musical Instrument is capitalized. This is because it is referring to the type of Adventuring Gear

[woven flint]

That's.. one of their first features .v.

[cerulean monolith]

This is in reference to Rangers not getting Find Familiar

[umbral girder]

Level 1 feature that’s popular in even none DnD RPGs

[empty thicket]

its about Find familiar and how Ranger cant use it, when the whole idea of them is using some nature spells

[umbral girder]

Like even more than Smite.

[remote wadi]

Never played Paladin before and I just remember divine smite

[empty thicket]

but i guess the whole "spirit" thing make it be in another layer of creature, weird but meh, it is what it is

[umbral girder]

It’s like a changeling. Just because it takes the shape of a creature doesn’t make it the same.

[cerulean monolith]

It’s almost like you don’t know what a class can do until you read the text that says what the class can do

[woven flint]

Well, someone thought Lay On Hands was a Paladin cantrip the other day lol

[cerulean monolith]

To be somewhat fair, it is in BG3

[stone panther]

find familiar isn't a "little animal friend" spell, its a "summon a demon/angel/fey creature to habitate a physical body for a while" spell. i like making them the literal devil/angel on my player's shoulders

[cerulean monolith]

Yes that’s the whole point

[remote wadi]

Well, Paladin told me she thought Divine Smite scaled off level. Looked it up, proved it was spell slot, then got curious and looked at Lay On Hands

[stone panther]

i was agreeing with you didnt mean to reply to you

[remote wadi]

Pretty cool, but... also proves my case that my Ranger healing is a little... subpar

[umbral girder]

No?

[remote wadi]

Forgot a homebrew rule to mention. Health gained on level up is at it's maximum

[cerulean monolith]

Okay, and?

[remote wadi]

So while for a level 4, an average of 8.5 healing isn't that bad, that's only a quarter of out Wizard's max HP

[umbral girder]

So?

Seems rather irrelevant

[remote wadi]

It's a long story

[cerulean monolith]

So, uh, dinosaurs. Pretty cool, huh

[woven flint]

Nah, I'd eat them

[remote wadi]

I mean, I did watch that one part in DBS. That Dino meat looked heavenly

[humble cairn]

It works fine for what healing in D&D is for, which is picking up downed allies.

[naive cedar]

dinosaurs are the ancestors of birds so I bet they taste like chicken

[humble cairn]

No healing in 5E is meant to keep up with damage.

[woven flint]

Yeah, healing isn't supposed to keep up

Oop- said it before I could finish typing

[empty thicket]

Had seen there is a T-rex sheet for fighting, i guess tehre is a whole dinos section in some book

[unkempt roost]

Take that you dinosaur!

[rough basalt]

MotM and '25 MM have the Dino statblocks

[empty thicket]

wait, let me check if i could already with my party obliterate one

[rough basalt]

Of current print splatbooks

I think the Dinos for 5e originated in Volos or were expanded? I don't remember

[remote wadi]

Paladin can take care of that, I guess

[empty thicket]

yep, if my party had to fight one, we could literally kill it in less of 3 rounds

[remote wadi]

I'll just toss out cure wounds on the next long rest

[empty thicket]

pretty neat honestly, expected it to have more hp for hte lack of AC

[rough basalt]

The fun stuff is throwing a T Rex at a level 1 party

[humble cairn]

I'm behind on the conversation why are we comparing Ranger healing and Paladin healing?

[rough basalt]

God I love Tomb of Annihilation

[remote wadi]

Long story

[humble cairn]

Link the comment where I can start reading to catch up?

[empty thicket]

it deal a lot of damage the T-rex but the low AC make me feel that even at level 3 with the party we could take it down

25 str, interesting

[remote wadi]

This is more something to explain in dms

But considering it isn't really an option, I'm dropping it

[knotty pasture]

If you're picking Ranger to heal you're doing something extremely wrong

Not that picking a class solely to heal is a good idea either but Ranger's just about one of the worst classes to have for healing

[empty thicket]

Because a paladin would heal you like "Hey there chump" Picks you up, clean the dust from one shoulder "you are in perfect shape now"
While a Ranger would rub some leafs on the injury and say "welp, now you are healed"

[knotty pasture]

Its only healing niche is goodberry at the end of a day

[umbral girder]

2014 all healing is bad any way

Best you got for healing numbers is life cleric + aura of vitality

[woven flint]

Rangers only want to heal occasionally

Paladins have an easier time healing because they have two different resources to do it with anyway lol

[empty thicket]

the idea for me is, rangers have a heal for emergencies or last resource

[remote wadi]

Okay, fine. I'll keep it brief

Most of the negotiation with the DM devolved into "You aren't focusing on what makes Ranger good", while not considering i couldn't do much of what makes Ranger for the past 5 sessions

[humble cairn]

Having Cure Wounds in my pocket as a Ranger has come in handy in various situations.

[rough basalt]

I've seen it be really handy as well

[humble cairn]

Yes, and when those emergency situations come up, it's great!

[knotty pasture]

Did you mention the whole "ranged attacks should deal bonus damage based on con/wis modifier"

[umbral girder]

Also a big thing is you don’t want a dedicated healer

[humble cairn]

What does the DM think makes Ranger good?

[umbral girder]

Ideally you get as many people in the party as possible healing

Because if the “primary healer” goes down that’s it

[rough basalt]

Even if it's just taking prof in the tool that let's you craft basic health potions

[empty thicket]

or temporal health in the middle of the battles so the sustain is better and can save heals for saves

oh wait, ranger only T.hp is goodberry, nvm

[remote wadi]

Never specified much, but I tried to explain the 3 main parts of combat (damage, healing, utility) were things that I struggled in each one

Damage is considerably subpar, Healing was only done because Cleric keeps missions sessions and Paladin keeps dipping early, Utility has been almost burned to the ground

Out of combat wasn't much better, unfortunately

[rough basalt]

Like for Life Cleric for example.
You get the usual heal and buff spells as always prepared. So you can prepare damage spells and utility with your other prepare slots cause you're not expected to just be healing, but rather healing when necessary

Typically utility

As Cleric doesn't really get damage spells at its base

It gets like 2 to 3 or so until 5th level magic (level 9)

[remote wadi]

Guiding Bolt?

[tardy edge]

inflict wounds?

[rough basalt]

Yep those 2

[tardy edge]

they got a few good cantrips too

[rough basalt]

Yeah but cantrips aren't prepared slots

[woven flint]

Spirit Gaurdians

[tardy edge]

true

[rough basalt]

And that's the third

Instead of an abundance, you get a strong few.

[tardy edge]

spiritual weapon at 2nd

[remote wadi]

Was trying to explain that to the DM, but no dice.
Main plan for now is to wait until it inevitably happens again and my party members who agree that it is at least noticeable to possibly bring it up again

[empty thicket]

Prayer of healing seems like a good spell ngl, cleric and paladin can use it and give lots of benefits.

[rough basalt]

Ah well, it's aight

Honestly if we're '24ing it, Prayer of Healing is the best 2nd level spell for all clerics

[empty thicket]

only one time per long rest tho, but still giga good

[remote wadi]

Again, not like my character is entirely worthless... Just worth less

[rough basalt]

A short rest without the whole hour cost is big

[woven flint]

Oh yeah, Spirit Weapon also exists as a Cleric damage spell early levels

[tardy edge]

they did add new one in the forgotten realms new book at level 1

[empty thicket]

recharge a lot of resources, short rest heal, extra heal, etc. etc.

[remote wadi]

But hey. Might as well see how it unfolds. Find out Saturday afternoon on Dragon Ball Z Kai

[rough basalt]

Alright well my point is you don't have a billion damage spells

[fickle heart]

Respectfully, I think you are legitimately psyching yourself out with this game.

[tardy edge]

i agree but they don't really need it

[empty thicket]

Tho, the best defense is killing your enemies before they harm you. But still have some heals ready and some defensive stuff

[rough basalt]

You could prepare all of them and still have probably half your prepare slots left

[empty thicket]

and is practically free too, would place it a price on it

[fickle heart]

Like, I think you are actively ruining your own enjoyment of D&D by fixating on the negative aspects in such a way that you are discussing them constantly with a Discord unrelated to the game (meaning the active sessions.)

[remote wadi]

I am somewhat rattled by a simple request for a small homebrew rule I thought of being elevated to the degree it did. I'll be fine

[woven flint]

... pardon?

[empty thicket]

Call it some incenses, liquid, anything.

[remote wadi]

I did discuss it with the party. I'm just trying to stay here and chill from the aftermath. Helped a Paladin clarify how Divine Smite worked, saw Lay On Hands, said "didn't know they got that, that's pretty good"

[rough basalt]

Also what spell did clerics get in the FR book?

Laerals Silver Lance iirc?

It does require a 250gp item so SG still reign supreme.

[woven flint]

Wardaway and Doomtide as well

[tardy edge]

Wardaway at 1st

[fickle heart]

I'm referring to the psychological impact of discussing what you dislike about a game consistently can make you actively perpetuate that thought process and validate a worse feeling than is "real".

[tardy edge]

that is true

[rough basalt]

Huh, well, guess yall win, you ain't getting no utility spells in your life cleric prepped slots anymore

[woven flint]

Damn 😔

[empty thicket]

You know what, Vortex wraping the arrows from a ranger in front of the enemy

[woven flint]

That's.. now how Vortex Warp works

[rough basalt]

Guiding Bolt will always be the go to I think tho

Since 4d6 at 1st level and it can crit, and also the advantage on next roll.

[empty thicket]

i know but sound funny

[fickle heart]

E.g. If something goes wrong, it's "expected", but if something goes right, "it's a matter of time before it goes wrong". Hence, there's no actual way to "succeed", because one can always be waiting for the next thing to go wrong.

[woven flint]

Take the Sage background with your Clerics and get some nice attack cantrips with Wizard Magic initiate 🧐

[rough basalt]

Me looking at the DM as I say my level 1 cleric crits the bugbear for 46 radiant damage

[empty thicket]

yeah, its honestly, too good and in best scenario, critic with all dices at max and then chance of your ally to do anotehr critic in the next turn.

[rough basalt]

It's a good fallback as you level up too

[empty thicket]

"Congrats, you burned into ashes the bugbear that was holding some spell scrolls and maps"

[rough basalt]

Don't know what to do? Just 4th level guiding bolt

The DM when you roll 14d6 cause you crit

[knotty pasture]

Tbh Guiding Bolt's one of those spells that I'd keep at throwing level 1-2 versions of it

[woven flint]

The Problem:
Literally anything

The solution:
Guiding Bolt

[knotty pasture]

Simply because I'd keep level 3+ spell slots for spirit guardians, death ward

[rough basalt]

Then the paladin next turn crit smites cause of advantage from GB

[naive cedar]

guiding bolt is eldritch blast for clerics

[rough basalt]

With shining smite so the champion fighter with 3 attacks rolls up and crits three times with a vicious greatsword

[knotty pasture]

Except it costs a resource 😔

[empty thicket]

Yep, Warlock and Cleric are in theory the same thing

[rough basalt]

I'd be terrified of a level 20 Dual Wield Champion Fighter with a Paladin at his side

[empty thicket]

A guy that get his powers from a higher deity that both have a "deal" (one having faith and another doing a contract//pact)

[rough basalt]

Shining smite

Then 10 attacks at advantage that crit on 18s or higher.

[empty thicket]

Bro, i am the monster with some int, know that it was a guiding bolt and see those 2 creatures in front of me. Im surrendering

[humble cairn]

Throw in Elven Accuracy.

[woven flint]

Well.. ACTUALLY..
Clerics don't get their power directly from a Deity, but instead, their Devotion

[naive cedar]

Wait wait wait. Keep cooking

[empty thicket]

yep, their "faith" on that deity

[rough basalt]

Tiamat when she gets hit by Shining Smite and sees 4 level 20 fighters roll up

[woven flint]

It doesn't even have to be "faith in a diety" either

[umbral girder]

“You do 800 damage!”
Tiamat: “And?”

[rough basalt]

Shining Smite is my favorite Smite buff

[nova trellis]

Warlock is pact magic, cleric is devotion, paladin is bestowed, wizard is learned, and sorcerer is innate.

[rough basalt]

That was before action surge. Now for another 800

[woven flint]

Clerics are no longer confined to deities for power

[umbral girder]

Tiamat: “And?”

[empty thicket]

4 attacks per fighter + action surge + if any is a half orc get an extra attack if land a cirtic + Idk, someone in the background casting haste or using an item that give them haste
Tiamat would use Time stop and just walk away honestly

[humble cairn]

Paladin is conviction its not bestowed.

[umbral girder]

Notably warlocks also learn their magic

They are just getting access to the secret stuff

[rough basalt]

Oops sorry. Forgot we all had vorpal swords so that's an extra 1200

[umbral girder]

Tiamat: “Anything else?”

[empty thicket]

so, 12 attacks (Maybe 13) X Fighter = 48 attacks (Maybe around 50) in one round

[rough basalt]

We facetank all five heads and do it again

[umbral girder]

“Cool” resets hp and sends them all to Avernus and continues her rampage

[rough basalt]

Then go on Reddit to talk about our DM fudging hp

[umbral girder]

A good plane shifting legendary to save her day

[rough basalt]

We leave out the fact it's tiamat and just say it's an ancient dragon

To depict the DM as the bad guy, and us as the heroes who stood against his tyranny

[umbral girder]

Tiamat and Bahamut being able to say “ok” to infinite damage and get back up is very fun

[empty thicket]

Tiamat: You know what? i wont deal with this S"·%, how much money for letting me be alone?

[rough basalt]

I feel bad for anyone who would have to fight Bahamut

[empty thicket]

wait, what?

For totally free?

[umbral girder]

Their mythic aspects got it once a short rest

[umbral girder]

Alternatively:
Tiamat: “Ok I’ll send another aspect.”

[rough basalt]

I loved Mythic Actions.
It sucks they stopped using them.

But I'll still give them to my own statblocks

[woven flint]

Tiamat would KILL someone before she ever pays them to leave her alone lmao

She's a Diety and (formally) an Archdevil, the question is, what do YOU pay to get her to leave you alone?

[umbral girder]

Tiamat: “You know there isn’t any rules stopping me from keep sending these right?”

[rough basalt]

I gave the two Greatwyrms that are watching Tokiis character with great malovolent interest mythic forms.

[umbral girder]

Or simply “what part of ‘Beyond Stats’ did you not understand? Those numbers don’t matter much.”

[woven flint]

Why tho

[rough basalt]

I don't know

[umbral girder]

Because they said please.

[rough basalt]

Oh right I gave them abilities based off of ESO dragons

Also I'm joking

About them being interested in Orizontas.

[woven flint]

Riiight

[rough basalt]

Only one of them is aware of your existence.

[woven flint]

Well, sorry for the greatwyrms,but Orizontas is taken 😎

If you kill Vakbo, you'll rue the day you messed with Orizontas

[rough basalt]

Well one is in a "history would say they're roommates" situation.

The other one, idk what he's doing

[patent jungle]

helooo

[rough basalt]

Gambling probably

[patent jungle]

guys im new, how do i start playing

[woven flint]

#dnd-newcomers

[tardy edge]

I did discover something you could do with a cleric in 2014 rules if anyone is interested

[rough basalt]

If Vakbo ever ended up in a situation where he was at their mercy he definitely screwed up too many times

[knotty pasture]

What can you do with priest man

[tardy edge]

For the cost of 2 spell slots
125gp of materials
2 turns utilising an action and a bonus action and using a ritual spell outside of combat at level 3 you can give 1 party member +5 AC and resistance to all damage for up to 10 minutes as long as you maintain concentration.
I'll break it down for you,
First cast ceremony on two party members choosing wedding for +2 to AC for 7 days (Ritual no spell slot required outside of combat 25gp worth powdered silver consumed) non concentration spell
Next get 2 platinum rings worth 50gp each so 100gp and cast warding bond non concentration spell last one hour and grants +1 bonus to AC saving throws and resistance to all damage and any damage they take you also take giving you resistance to damage also.
Next turn cast shield of faith bonus action concentration up to 10 minutes +2 to AC
In total +5 to AC to one target giving resistance to 2 +2 AC to the second party member for 7 days, for 2 spell slots and 125gp of materials at level 3 how's that for economical.
Now use that on a Bladesinger and twilight domain cleric with their twilight sanctuary with their THP for 1 minute non concentration for added hp.
Make sure there's a zealot in the party from 5th level and the entire party can get perma +2 AC every 7 days for only 25gp of powdered silver per cast which is consumed, as the party can all marry the zealot kill him and revive him for no cost and repeat the process. So 5 party members it'll cost 100gp only every 7 days.

[empty thicket]

true, but still would be funny seeing a deity saying "You know what, i dont want this S·&* right now"

[woven flint]

Tiamat is one of those deities that would absolutely want that fade

[empty thicket]

She live for the beef?

[woven flint]

... quite literally..
Yes

She LIVES to be a hater

[knotty pasture]

The real question is

Does Tiamat accept non Dragonborn races for her Clerics

[woven flint]

Yeah.
She has Kobold and Devil Clerics as well.

[tardy edge]

tiamat uses humans mostly

[knotty pasture]

She uses Dragonborns most iirc

[woven flint]

Actually, Tiamat didn't have Dragonborn followers until after the Spelllplague.

"Many evil dragons have worshiped Tiamat since their species first appeared on Toril, and kobolds believed she was their creator, and although they didn't worship her as god, they revered her as their creator. After the Spellplague, she also gained a few dragonborn followers."

[tardy edge]

Well dragons don't tend to venerate gods they are secular they respect and fear tiamat for her power

[knotty pasture]

O

[tardy edge]

i like watching Mr.Rhexx on youtube to get all the lore

[knotty pasture]

Human Clerics that worship Tiamat would make sense I presume, where would Goliaths stand?

Or giants I suppose

[woven flint]

ANYONE could worship Tiamat if they wanted.
As with pretty much any Deity, they aren't all race/species locked.

More worshippers is just more power for them

[tardy edge]

Yh, the cult of the dragon was originally a predominant human cult that was dedicated to creating dracoliches

[knotty pasture]

Oh no its more like, would Tiamat's evil dragon supremacy discourage or forbid most other races from joining her ranks

[woven flint]

No, we literally just explained that

[knotty pasture]

Understandable

[woven flint]

The only Deity I can see REALLY caring about species is Lolth, but I'd assume she'd just see it as more people to torture and/or manipulate

There's actually a small percentage of humans that live amongst the Drow is Menzoberrenzen (literally Drow City, the most popular and biggest place drow live and congregate)
Some are Slaves and some freely live amongst them

Some deities do have species that are typically followers or make up a majority of followers, but they aren't usually their only worshippers

[empty thicket]

any idea of how would be called any deity around Blacksmiths and that stuff? or merchants

[woven flint]

Well, there's plenty of God's of Innovation and Trade and other things of the sort!

One of the Faeraūn pantheons Knowledge Deities, Oghma, is the Patron of innovators, bards and other creatives, for example

[crisp stag]

Hey guysss! I’m thinking of getting a DnD book at Barnes and Nobles since I got a gift card for the holidays, can someone tell me what is in Xanathar's Guide to Everything, and if it is worth it? (Mainly, is this the book with Warforged and artificers? And if not, which book is it)?

[empty thicket]

Yeah, the price for the book is only 5 goats and 3 chickens

[crisp stag]

lol

[empty thicket]

No wait, wrong time line

idk how much $$$ would be, good luck

[crisp stag]

Alr, ty, hopefully the gift card will cover it

[tardy edge]

You want eberron if you want warforge and artificer not xanathars

[crisp stag]

Okay, thanks! I’m not really sure what all the books have in them 😓

[tardy edge]

np anytime

[crisp stag]

:3

[tardy edge]

any other questions?

[crisp stag]

yeah! Whats Tasha’s?

[mental fog]

It's a cauldron with everything! /j

[tardy edge]

Tasha's Cauldron of Everything is a resource that give player's access to extra subclasse as well as new spells, and alternative class features

[crisp stag]

Ah…so it’s similar to Xanathar's?

[tardy edge]

yes

one of my favourite subclasses for the cleric is in there

[crisp stag]

Is there one that is (subjectively of course) better?

[tardy edge]

between xanathar's and tasha's i'd pick tasha's myself

[mental fog]

The players handbook is severely underrated by many new players getting into d&d imo. But if you're dead set on expanding and want artificer and warforged just PHB + Eberron is perfect to use.

[crisp stag]

Mhm

[tardy edge]

Yes flash is correct

[crisp stag]

I have PHB, Ive been playing for a few years, XD! I just don’t have any other books

[mental fog]

Ahh, well I'd personally recommend going 1 book at a time or 1 bundle if there is a bundle at any store.

But I'm a tad more frugal. Lol

[crisp stag]

Okay, thank you, lol

[mental fog]

And always make sure to double check the contents and if they offer it ask questions here is great. But also seeing the table of contents helps break down what you can expect from it.

Table of contents in pretty much every book are very to the point when it comes to player options

[crisp stag]

Alright…I should be getting to bed, it’s quite late for me! Have a good night, both of you!

[mental fog]

Good night. Good luck, and happy hunting for the right book. 🙂

[tardy edge]

Good night

[signal basalt]

i have a massive island left over in my dnd world but not sure what to do with it i was thinking a ruined city filled with monsters after an evil wizard performed a ritual flooding the island with evil monsters but does anyone have any good ideas

[cursive fjord]

Pull a solo leveling and make it a dungeon people can travel too for loot

[signal basalt]

hold up this might be peak

i can make it a quest to like stop the ritual and they have to run like a gauntlet

[spring light]

hm, wonder what a good channel is to get feedback on a webtool i'm working on.
a player facing character select screen for a dm to display

[empty thicket]

Do a jurassic park but with monsters and idk, make the principal monster being one of the heavy weights

call it purple worm, tarraske, etc. etc.

[signal basalt]

i think imma have demogorgon prince of monsters

as like big boss slumbering

[keen valve]

They don't need it so much as it aesthetically fits yk?

On the demand puppy just sounds right for a ranger.

[umbral girder]

No?

[keen valve]

Well now you're just logistically incorrect.

Puppy = Ranger. Don't you know?
(Not serious.)

[bronze wave]

I think a find familiar would fit general ranger flavors

It has to do with creatures more so that do with nature

I thought rangers knew find familiar?

[reef walrus]

Random question: I’m looking up litches and I just watched this video on YouTube and he’s talking about litches he’s says they are kind of like gods
My question is are they a undead God or are they just an undead spellcaster with the powers of the God?

[bronze wave]

Neither, they are just undead spell casters who are immortal

[hushed mason]

They're powerful undead. They're not like gods.

[bronze wave]

Besides like Vecna I think he’s a god or smth?

[reef walrus]

I feel find familiar would be more of a druid thing than a range. I can kind of see what you’re saying.

[bronze wave]

A ranger spells are just Druid lite

[reef walrus]

The video I’m watching the video is about Vicnar and he saying he got to Goddard because he killed other gods

[bronze wave]

For the most part

[bronze wave]

Idk who those are but they did smth else then ontop of being a lich. At a base all it is to be a lich is undead immortal with a phylactery

[reef walrus]

What’s that last word I don’t know what that is

[hushed mason]

A phylactery is a device in which a lich stores their soul. Kind of like a horocrux.

To destroy the lich, you must destroy its phylactery.

[bronze wave]

Voldemort horocrux but more complex

[reef walrus]

Ohhh yeah I just looked it up and it described it as a whole horcrux

[empty thicket]

not again....

[reef walrus]

I love that I can just turn to this server when I have random morning thoughts

[sage furnace]

Anyone play Neverwinter

[hushed mason]

I take it that rangers don't get animal companions in fifth edition.

I played NWN and the original sequals.

[bronze wave]

I think the convo ended lol. You can’t say not again to a convo that isn’t even continuing

[reef walrus]

Depending what sub class you take

[bronze wave]

Oh nvm let’s go

[empty thicket]

we had this talk like 4 hours before
Yes, would fit for me but familiars are in another plane.
They are spirits, not animals like i would like to

[bronze wave]

I think it still is fitting, but I don’t like ranger so idc rlly

I know wha my fav half caster is

[empty thicket]

Same, i fell it fit completely

[empty thicket]

sorcerer?

[bronze wave]

That’s a full caster?

[empty thicket]

yeah, Warlock, druid, sorc, wizard, cleric and art are full casters

How i call a class full caster? IF they have cantrips

oh wait,
Bard have cantrip too so count for it too

[reef walrus]

Wizard druid, sorcerer are fullcasters, cleric is a half caster like a paladin

[empty thicket]

arti cant use martial weapons and have cantrips, for me is full caster

same deal with bard

[rough basalt]

Clerics aren't half casters.

[bronze wave]

Clerics are full casters

If you can get a 9th lvl spell at lvl17 you are a full caster

[empty thicket]

They can use all common weapons, but none martial

[reef walrus]

Artificer is a intelligence based spellcaster
so I would say it’s kinda like a wizard but more on the engineering side than Bog standard wizard that has a spell focus and uses tomes

[rough basalt]

That's not what a full caster is

[reef walrus]

It’s what is says in the PHB

[bronze wave]

Half casters get up to lvl5 spells

[rough basalt]

Nope

If it does you got a bad print.

[errant hound]

Clerics of specific domains get martial weapons

[reef walrus]

I’ve just looked it up on fandom and I was wrong they are put down as full casters because they have access to a massive rage of spells

[empty thicket]

okey okey, i was using the logic that if it cant use martial weapons and have cantrips is full caster

[rough basalt]

Because a full caster is someone who gets 1st to 9th level magic as natural progression

[reef walrus]

You are right, I just thought they were in the same category as paladins

[bronze wave]

Idk if martial weapons matter at all to me lol. That’s an odd system. I go off the caster brand. Full casters can go up to lvl9, half lvl5, and then there’s niche 1/3 casters

[rough basalt]

They're both divine casters, but no, the half casters are Ranger, Artificer, and Paladin.

Spells and weapon proficiencies have no correlation

[empty thicket]

Mostly because having the capacity of use martials weaposn they dont depend only from the spells and if htey have cantrips they can use them to solve that problem

[muted blaze]

PHB 2024 pg 45. When talking about spell slots. Bard, Cleric, Druid, Sorcerer, and Wizard, are considered full caster as it applies to multi-classing. Paladin and Rangers are half, Fighter and Rogue spellcasters are considered 1/3 rd.

[rough basalt]

Warlock sits in its own lane as a Pact Caster

[muted blaze]

Yup

[rough basalt]

They're designed around being able to be cantrip spam and/or melee

[muted blaze]

And the invocations for free casting of certain spells at will

[bronze wave]

I consider warlocks full casters bc of the lvl9 spell

[empty thicket]

WAIT, with warlock i can get a pact chain and get a pseudodragon!?

[bronze wave]

Just have a spin on how they do it

[bronze wave]

The humble imp stands waiting

[rough basalt]

Warlocks are just a bit of an oddball

[empty thicket]

I want my lil pseuododragon!! i will pamper him and ask him sometimes to flambee my flans

[rough basalt]

While they do get 1 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th level spell, they are only once per LR

Whereas you get 4 rechargeable 5th level slots which are the real scary bit

[bronze wave]

Still counts for me

[rough basalt]

Cause of how good upcasting is for some Warlock spells

[bronze wave]

I had a dm who made your pact slots replace everything so you could use 4 lvl 9 spell slots

[rough basalt]

That sounds nightmarish

[bronze wave]

It was great

[rough basalt]

Tho Warlock doesn't necessarily have the super strong 9th level spells

Least at their base

If it was a Genielock with 4 castings of Wish once per short rest I'd probably leave the table tbh

[empty thicket]

nothing too strong honestly, power words, weird, astral, Blade of disaster sound epic honestly and more knowing you can get the pact of the blade

[rough basalt]

Also depends on the ruleset

In 2014, Weird is horrendous

And PWK is more of a DM spell

[empty thicket]

i still dont get the whole spells from him

[rough basalt]

Foresight and Psychic Scream are the two really good ones

[empty thicket]

like, i get X number of spells and can cast one even in higher levels without problem?
im comparing to wizard that i have to use the spell slot from that level in that spell

lets say i cast a Hex, i can choose to cast it at max level i can, like 9

and do the same until i burn out all my spell slots

[rough basalt]

Not with normal warlock

[bronze wave]

Eh idk I never liked scream much

[rough basalt]

Normal Warlock gets 4 5th level slots.

[bronze wave]

Foresight is nice tho

[rough basalt]

True but up against 2014 Weird and 2014 PWK it's got little competition

Blade of Disaster is its competition for offensive spells

Tho both Weird and PWK got buffed in '24 so that was another of many wins for warlock

[empty thicket]

okey, level 5 hex, but you get my point.

I get a gun that i can put any ammo on it and i choose which caliber to be

[rough basalt]

What

[empty thicket]

Not like Wizard that i can choose to make a bullet (lvl 1 spell) be shoot with more power (upcasting to lvl 9)

[rough basalt]

Well as a Wizard you probably wouldn't do a 9th level upcast of a 1st level spell unless you're doing a sort of jokey one shot

And doing Magic Missile only wizard

Hex is kind of a trap spell too tbh

It's not bad, but it's certainly overrated imo

Unless you're a '24 GOOlock

[empty thicket]

im trying to understand how warlock work mostly, dont get into those details.

call it charm person or magic missile

[rough basalt]

Warlocks get a limited amount of slots but those slots are always upcasted up to 5th level

[empty thicket]

okey, that explain it better, thanks

wait, can i choose if i want to upcast one or lower it?

[rough basalt]

Nah cause you just have those slots

All regular spells cast with Pact slots will always be the level of magic you can cast up to 5th

After you get 5th level magic you just get 2 additional pact slots for a total of 4 at max as you level.

[bronze wave]

It’s always the highest lvl I think

[reef walrus]

Is an arcane trickster a 1/3 caster or a half caster if they don’t multi class?

[rough basalt]

But Warlocks get one spell for one cast of a 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th spell as you unlock those levels of magic.

[empty thicket]

nvm, im checking because i had the concern of
"if i want to make an AOE spell be smaller so i dont harm X people"
But im not finding too much AOE spells that are modified by upcasting

[bronze wave]

I count eld knight and arcane trickster as half casters UA

[rough basalt]

Nah if you wanna do stuff like that you need to multiclass into Sorcerer

[empty thicket]

yeah, was kinda guessing it

[bronze wave]

Sorlock my goat!

[reef walrus]

What about a wizard blade singer? Would still be a full casters?

[empty thicket]

and after lvl 5 i get one use of each spell slot

[bronze wave]

Ya why wouldn’t it be?

[rough basalt]

Yes because they're wizards

[rough basalt]

Yes one use of each slot above 5th, for one specific spell you choose at the levels you unlock them.

[empty thicket]

EK get until lvl 5 spells from wizard, cantrips included

[rough basalt]

EK only gets up to 4th level wizard spells

At level 18 notably is when you get a 4th level slot.

[reef walrus]

I stupidly ran a high-level campaign when I was just under a year of being a DM and I made a Christmas one shot where they were fighting a high-level spellcaster that was flavoured like Mariah Carey and they kind of locked her in in a fortressand they just nuked the town just walked off
lol

[empty thicket]

okey okey and their forte is constantly upcasting some spells and the short rest recharge?

[reef walrus]

Would anyone be up for playing a session where we’re all clerics? We can call our owners amen? (Yes I know it’s a bad ref but it’s still funny af)

[rough basalt]

Yep

[empty thicket]

true, counted the cantrip and forgot it

[reef walrus]

We could probably one shot strad

If we also had a rouge and a barb lol

[rough basalt]

Using spells that are worth your limited slots and spamming Eldritch Blast

Or using a melee weapon

[proven nova]

I just realized that you could play a Paladin and worship an eldritch god.

[empty thicket]

So warlock is
Patron
Spells
Invocations
Pact
Something else to add to the class to make it more hard to understand?!

[reef walrus]

Yeah you could as a oath breaker, or a pride oath

[rough basalt]

Mystic Arcanum is the 6th to 9th level one time per LR casts.

[proven nova]

No, even as something like Ancients.

[rough basalt]

Somewhat different from 6th to 9th level slots in fullcasters due to being only one cast where as full casters get a 2nd 6th and 7th slot as levels go up.

[reef walrus]

Ohhhh never thought of that

[reef walrus]

Tbh I’m still quite scared of ppl playing glamour bards lol

[empty thicket]

a free cast of those spells (idk if its full free even with components or not)

[rough basalt]

Not free from components, just it's a cast

[empty thicket]

damn, welp, at least is something

[reef walrus]

Depending if you have to pay for it or not, and if it’s okay with your DM

[rough basalt]

Well I wouldn't bet on your DM just allowing you to make Simulacrums for free or cast Forcecage for free

[empty thicket]

interchange the components for sacrifice X number of your HP or temporarily would be nice and fitting for me

[rough basalt]

Cause that DM is either mad, or is about to learn a hard lesson.

[reef walrus]

I saw a video of a DM and they said if you run out of spell slots they allow your spellcaster to take a level of exhaustion depending on the level of the spell so like if you wanna cast the first level spell you take one level and then so forth

[proven nova]

Hold up, character question.

[red steppe]

Isn't that homebrew

[empty thicket]

and then there is the invocations of the warlock...

[proven nova]

Let’s go to character chat.

[rough basalt]

Yeah it's homebrew, honestly a fair one I'd say

Evoker Wizards actually have a feature that does something like that

You can use spells without slots up to 6th level but you take Necrotic damage

A d10 equal to the spells level iirc

[empty thicket]

13 subclasses the wizard.... god...

[rough basalt]

Oh they changed it in '24 I think

[bronze wave]

Seems broken asf

[rough basalt]

Unless I'm misremembering

[empty thicket]

5 in 24
13 in 14

a purge holy cannelloni

[rough basalt]

Oh no not that

[empty thicket]

the evoker?

[rough basalt]

I meant the Evoker Wizards capstone, and it wasn't changed

I just misremembered

Basically they can maximize the damage of any 1st to 5th level spell for free

But if they do it again, they take 2d12 Necrotic

And it gets an additional d12 for every time you do it until you LR

[empty thicket]

1 free time
2d12 necrotic
2d12 + 1d12 in any further use

holly....i guess is worth of it isnt it?

[rough basalt]

It's a fun feature

Sometimes it's worth the damage

As for Wizard Subclasses, they didn't remove any

They just haven't updated them

[empty thicket]

im searching any spell that i say "yeah, this one is worth the 2d12 necrotic damage" (knowing my luck i get the 24 damage)

[rough basalt]

Well it's maximizing the damage of any 1st to 5th level spell

So a cone of cold for example 64 damage iirc in a pretty large cone.

Course can 5th level fireball

Which as an evoker you don't need to worry about allies with aoes

Was my first subclass I played in 5e. It's fun being able to just fireball your allies that are surrounded by enemies

And the change they did in '24 was pretty good imo

[empty thicket]

which change?

[rough basalt]

They swapped the first and second subclass features around

Before you could ignore allies with aoes at level 2(subclass level in 2014)

[empty thicket]

oh, curious

[rough basalt]

And at level 6 you got potent cantrip which let's your saving throw cantrips always do half

[fiery perch]

I am trying to create a character with maximum unearned powers - like a cosmic trust fund baby

Currently I have
Aasimar
Sorcerer (Divine soul)
Noble background
Lucky feat

What else could I do

[rough basalt]

But in '24, you get potent cantrip at level 3(subclass level) and it applies to attack roll cantrips as well so you always do damage with cantrips

And the sculpt spells to ignore allies with aoe spells is level 6 instead

Which I like cause at level 3 you're more likely using cantrips than aoes a lot more than at level 6 and beyond.

[reef walrus]

What level does sorcerers get to cast a safe spell or like subtle spell or like to change it around? Is it level six? I thought it was when they got their sub class.

[fiery perch]

in 2024 - level 2

[rough basalt]

They get it with metamagic

[fiery perch]

in 2014 - level 3

[reef walrus]

I havnt looked at sorcerer
Yet I don’t really play them
But I’ve been around quite a few of them

[rough basalt]

Careful spell is what you're thinking of

[fiery perch]

yes

[rough basalt]

Subtle spell removes components except ones that have a gold cost

So it makes most spells unable to be counterspelled is its most notable use

[fiery perch]

Social spells like charm person - where no one can see you cast it

[rough basalt]

Yeah all they see is you just standing there

[reef walrus]

I thought subtle spell made them quieter so you don’t have to use verbal or somatic or you know your hands to make it obvious your casting a spell

[rough basalt]

Nah it just straight up removes the components entirely unless it has a gold cost component

[fiery perch]

It basically makes the spell-casting invisible
Uncounterspellable + No one knows the origin of the spells

I have had a lot of fun with that - one of my favourite options for sure

[reef walrus]

Then what am I thinking of is like careful spell or something lol

[rough basalt]

Careful is the aoe one

[fiery perch]

Someone has some ideas?

[reef walrus]

Ah

[reef walrus]

Make them faye touched or something like that Or give them amnesia, so they don’t know they are high-level spellcaster
Like they lost their powers, but they just can’t remember

[fiery perch]

How is that helpful to what I am trying to achieve? (How do I get fey touched origin feat is gone)

[rough basalt]

The difference between Careful spell and Sculpt Spells is that Sculpt spells limit of people safe from the spell is 1 + spell level, but permanent.
And Careful is Charisma mod amount of people and costs a sorc point.

[reef walrus]

Oh I didn’t realise

[rough basalt]

In most cases you won't hit allies with them, but in some niche cases you can still end up hitting allies

Like mosh pit encounters

Where everyone is all shoulder to shoulder in some small room

[empty thicket]

or in a room with lots of people and need to take care of the enemies and are too much enemies for some spells

[rough basalt]

Hostage room for example yeah

[empty thicket]

Would be an epic moment ngl

[rough basalt]

I've dealt with some hostage situations as an evoker, was funny

Fireball civilians but only the hostage takers get charred

[reef walrus]

I feel like you’re going to take hostages a rouge and a bard would be perfect for this

[swift laurel]

Yo, anyone know where i could find a play group for my autisitc brother

[empty thicket]

the criminals get scared, people too
explode and the people still good

[mental fog]

Everywhere anyone else could go to find a group.

[empty thicket]

The criminals smell like fried bacon

[cosmic roost]

Ready to play Dungeons & Dragons?

Visit #find-a-game for everything you need to start your search, including:

• Instructions for finding a game here on the server (including how to post in our #looking-for channels).
• Suggestions for finding a game outside of this server.
• Basic advice to help you in your hunt.

[swift laurel]

woops

[reef walrus]

I’ll be in the looking for game thred or Dm me

[night basin]

Does the +6 bonus I have to hit offset the -5 penalty from gwm?

[lavish flame]

ye

[potent siren]

They stack yes, so your total bonus is +1

[night basin]

Thought so, just making sure.

Before I take the feat.

[potent siren]

your playing 2014 rules yeah?

[night basin]

Yuh.

Though I am using a 2024 background for my paladin in a different campaign I'm in.

[potent siren]

gwm changed quite a bit in 2024, so am just making sure

[night basin]

I'm making a tortle storm herald barbarian since we'rein a rainforest, so I've definitely got some padded ac at least.

[jovial badger]

i have a friend who had a tortle character and thought that the padded ac added to his base ac

giving him a total ac of 35 😭

[night basin]

Thank God it dont work like that.

[knotty pasture]

Ultra Instinct irl

[reef copper]

Not the worst take i have hear but still wtf 😬

[jovial badger]

thank god he couldnt afford the warforged sourcebook

[cerulean monolith]

Tortles explicitly can’t wear armor

[hot gate]

Seems like that wasn't the only misunderstanding if they ended up with 35 AC.

[stark tundra]

Hello people

[hot gate]

Welcome!

[reef copper]

They are probably a fighter

[stark tundra]

Right so I'm guessing they're referring to the 30 or so ac tortle with the turtling and shield with a couple of spells cast

[reef copper]

I think they did 17(shell)+11+dex(armor)+2(shield)

[night basin]

To be fair there's nothing in the rules that says you can't have a shield equipped when you retreat into your shell.

[stark tundra]

True true theres also nothing saying the dm can't use fireball to make turtle soup

[reef copper]

In that case you can get 35 from a +3 shield

[night basin]

Where's the 32 coming from? Shell defense ups you to 21, I think.

[stark tundra]

Multiple spells that do shield stuff

[hot gate]

Oh we're using spells now? But no, spells also won't get you there. Base armor calculations, from spells or otherwise, don't stack.

[dark basin]

clearly it was a wish spell to have permanent ac 35.

[stark tundra]

Granted your now a adamantine sphere

[hot gate]

Time to monkeys paw that so the hp drops to 3.

[lyric idol]

I think you can get 29 for 1 round by casting shield, shell armor, and a shield.

[dark basin]

In all fairness this is all I can think, shield of faith +2, shield +5, and of course base 17 for shell nets a PC... 24. Now where is the extra 11?

[glass granite]

Haste?

[hot gate]

being married?

[dark basin]

Waterdeep token, AC magic item bracers (I forget the name), or even the orb that revolves around you that grants AC is just off the top of my head for magic items.

Or even just a +3 shield.

[hot gate]

Ah, the ioun spheres. Sure, yeah, but let's not also count magic items otherwise we'd be here all day. I think the basic point was that the player certainly misunderstood how AC was calculated.

[dark basin]

Mistakes most assuredly happen. However, it's fun to theory craft how to actually get there.

[stark tundra]

How about this I can get a can trip to do 6 damage minimum at level 3

[hot gate]

Minimum? What sort of cantrip would that be?

[knotty pasture]

I don't think a cantrip like that exists at all

[dark basin]

I read it as getting 'trip' up to 6 damage. Man, I was so confused 😂

Closest thing to meet the requirement is likely eldritch blast. With the agonizing blast eldritch invocation you can get minimum 4, assuming you hit.

[stark tundra]

Eldritch blast with where you add the charisma bonus to rolls

[jolly narwhal]

Hey guys, where can I get cool DnD wallpapers? The one's I have found online seems not to catch the 'awesomeness' interest I am looking for.

[stark tundra]

Granted that relies on you using d20s to roll and getting lucky with a 20

[normal drift]

I mean, there’s wallpaper engine on steam if you want really elaborate stuff…

[jolly narwhal]

Wait, the regular steam for games and all has a collection for it? or where exactly?

[lyric idol]

Displate maybe?

[normal drift]

It’s an application on steam that I find just has an absurd amount of cool stuff, including all the dnd relevant stuff I want

[lyric idol]

If you mean actual wallpapers. If you mean like your PC wallpapers idk.

[jolly narwhal]

Posters mostly, I haven't seen wallpapers for PC.

[jolly narwhal]

Yeah for PC. Ok, so I just check it out on the steam desktop application and search for 'DnD wallpapers'? Kinnda dumb with this stuff😂

[lyric idol]

I uh hope thats not the dumb way to do it because uh..... 😓😓😥😥😥

[marble lion]

There is a program you can buy on steam that lets you run wallpapers that move, have sound etc

Ofc it also serves as a databank for wallpapers because of this

[reef copper]

Someone said it was 30 or something

[marble lion]

Vyodder

[reef copper]

A 2024 monk can get 26 permanent ac just from using the +2 bracelet.

Fighters with +3 protection on armor shield and sword can get 29ac i guess

Non permanent i would think wizard can go beyond 30

I will check what builds people have made i would not be surprised if the fighter can attune for extra ac

Oh also fighter gets 30 because i forgot fighting style

[marble lion]

My cleric player has 23 ac at level 6

[reef copper]

With casting i guess

[night basin]

I wish for a cup of water.

[marble lion]

Defense fighting style 1, plate armour 18, warforged 1, shield 2, 1 from forge cleric

[reef copper]

Ah checks out

[marble lion]

He will get another point of ac from forge cleric next level

[reef copper]

Is the the warforged that scales its ac?

[marble lion]

24 ac at 7
If he had magic items, he could sit at a permanent 25-27

[marble lion]

Its a flat +1 iirc

[reef copper]

Ok

[marble lion]

If he casts the right spell hed get another +2 ac

So 27-29 with 1 magic item

Having one magic item for ac is pretty normal i think

[reef copper]

I currently have 25 as a rogue bard mostly doe to good items.

Ring of protection and studded leather +3 for a extra 8

The last two are one from +2 races having a maximum of 22 and the last one is the skill increase book you can read every century i forgot the name of

[burnt valley]

Spirit Guardians + Dodge becomes so much easier for that Cleric

[reef copper]

And they still have a bonus action for spiritual weapon too

[burnt valley]

Yes, the only time where it isnt a net negative

[reef copper]

True

Or eh its a decent bonus action since you can flee and stil guard a choke somewhat

[knotty pasture]

That's some insanely high AC, mines has 22?

And we're level 11 atm

[reef copper]

Increasing ac is one of the most reliable ways to increase survivability

But just dumping all on ac is a bit booring too so don’t do ridiculous multi class builds for it

[remote wadi]

So, was showing a few people the character I created in my downtime

Honestly? A little proud of myself for how much I made with how little I had. Hope I can use it in the future

[scarlet marsh]

Gm

[burnt valley]

The DM would also start spamming saves at the players

[vagrant quartz]

Good morning fellas

Tonight I took several d4 and d6 poison dmg 🔥🔥

How are y'all doing?

[glass granite]

Me alive

[vagrant quartz]

Hello wise nugget

Cleric magic initiate is the best, I get guidance on myself so I can rp with my not stellar charisma , I get sanctuary to cast on my out of position friends and I get thaumaturgy for more rp, life is good

[subtle orchid]

i think i saw a tiktoker already talking about this. but a gnome + a high strength thrower

how viable could you technically make in combat

[wintry spindle]

You wanna do the fastball special?

[vagrant quartz]

I now am intrigued

[wintry spindle]

In comics colosus throws wolverine its called the fastball special.

[subtle orchid]

absolutely, but i dont think you could make a gnome even similar to wolverine in dnd

[wintry spindle]

You cant really do it in dnd because how turns work. But rule of cool haha

You would just turn the thrown person into an improvised weapon

[subtle orchid]

but just as the concept, it would be lit. im just tryna see how good you could actually make it

[wintry spindle]

To be the thrown person or thrower?

Giant barbian teamed up with gnome would be the best bet.

When they rage they turn large making throwing a small creature easier

But it would still be an improvised weapon so not thaaat effective

[glass granite]

Yeah that wokrs

Thrown weapon builds exist

[wintry spindle]

Yes but those are mainly used with javelins or triforks

[severe rampart]

How viable would that be?

[wintry spindle]

Eldritch knight is a fun throw build

[glass granite]

Apparently thrown weapon paladins are quite good

[slender gyro]

As someone who's kinda clueless about DND. What's the MINIMUM stuff a player should have? With digital tools or non digital tools

[wintry spindle]

You can just resummon your weapom

[glass granite]

Minimum? A character sheet and a table

[wintry spindle]

Dice are nice to have

[slender gyro]

An entire table?

[wintry spindle]

But you can always borrow dice

[glass granite]

A group to play with

[zinc hare]

You can play on the floor if u want

[slender gyro]

I thought you meant like to take an entire table and carry it 😂

[zinc hare]

Get some bean bags

[severe rampart]

Depends on what you're throwing

[slender gyro]

RN i imagined 6 people carrying tables 😂

[subtle orchid]

or use online ones if you pleased

[glass granite]

The build uses light hammers or daggers
And a trident

[wintry spindle]

If you play online sure use online dice

[slender gyro]

Can character sheets be done online?

[severe rampart]

better pray that trident hits

[wintry spindle]

I think its heresay irl

[glass granite]

Yes

[subtle orchid]

yes

[slender gyro]

Is the google roll dice reliable?

[glass granite]

Yes
But there’s no pozzaz

[severe rampart]

Yeah, personally I recommend PDFs as DnD Beyond has some paid content

[wintry spindle]

Its more a trust issue if anything

[subtle orchid]

this ^^

[severe rampart]

yeah but screensharing exists

[wintry spindle]

Paladin hexblade also works with pact of the blade so you can just resummon your weapon that way

[slender gyro]

Basically do ppl trust online or physical dice?

[severe rampart]

you can set it to where it only sees the window where the Google Dice is

[subtle orchid]

and if you’re playing on dnd beyond with the vtt is shows your rolls.

[wintry spindle]

If you use roll20 i would just roll in roll20

[subtle orchid]

that too

[severe rampart]

this

[glass granite]

Depends on the group, some only do online dice cuz they can’t see physical dice

Some allow for both

[wintry spindle]

But its fun collecting dice

[glass granite]

For in person, physical dice is much better imo but not technically needed

[subtle orchid]

nothing is technically needed for dnd. thats what its all about anyway

[wintry spindle]

Also you need multiple dice sets because some get cursed and roll low

[subtle orchid]

just better to have certain tools and whatnot

[severe rampart]

I wonder what's the barest form of DnD

[slender gyro]

Next question. Do ppl allow dual wielders to basically throw 2 dices at once for 2 weapon attacks? If basically someone uses his action to attack with main hand and bonus action to attack with offhand

[burnt valley]

Does a Wizard PC counts as a magical weapon if a Barbarian were to pick them up and uses them as a weapon?

[severe rampart]

I don't know what to say to this

[wintry spindle]

In 2024 it dependa which weapona you have equiped

[subtle orchid]

paper, one single device to access the internet or one single person (or more) with an abundance of dnd knowledge.

[slender gyro]

2 short swords

[severe rampart]

Just because it's magical, and it's being used as a weapon, doesn't mean it's a magical weapon

[wintry spindle]

Off hand is a bonus action then

[glass granite]

Eh, some tables do it, but I do it one at a time so they have to choose which one adds the modifier.
Unless this is the dual wielder feat, then go ham

[burnt valley]

Lvl 20 Wizard = +20 to attack rolls and hit rolls

[glass granite]

Oh then one at a time, those have vex

[subtle orchid]

i can get behind this. literally, i dont want to be hit with a wizard

[wintry spindle]

If you had daggers you could attack with both with just your main action

[glass granite]

Even works with one dagger and one light weapon

[wintry spindle]

Also true

[glass granite]

Dagger shortsword is very popular for that reason

[wintry spindle]

But dual wielding is rarely that good in dnd

[slender gyro]

What is vex?

[burnt valley]

If the Wizard casts CME, thats an extra 7d8

[glass granite]

Actually it’s pretty good in 2024

[wintry spindle]

Weapon mastery. It gives you advantage on your next attack

[glass granite]

^vex does this (if you hit)

[subtle orchid]

im scared

[glass granite]

Hi scared, I’m Nugget

[slender gyro]

A simple short sword has a vex?

[wintry spindle]

I can see with the new nick mechanic it makes more sense

[subtle orchid]

i always forget about weapon mastery when i have it and always wish i had it when i dont

[wintry spindle]

Yes but it requires you play a class that has mastered the weapon also

[subtle orchid]

which is a lot more common than you would think

[glass granite]

Four classes, I believe

Rogue, Ranger, paladin, fighter, barbarian
Sorry 5

[wintry spindle]

Does valor bards get weapon masteryies?

[subtle orchid]

and some subclasses too?

[glass granite]

Nope

[wintry spindle]

Weird monks didnt get weapon masteries imo

[severe rampart]

Nah

[wintry spindle]

But monk got better unarmed strike so thats fair

[glass granite]

They’re waiting for Kensei monks
Unarmed strikes are monk’s entire thing, wouldn’t make sense for them to have it

[remote wadi]

No, no... he's got a point

[knotty pasture]

My Ranger is very handsome

[glass granite]

And no don’t think so

[severe rampart]

I thought he's LimeGuy

[glass granite]

-# I have never been prouder

[remote wadi]

This is getting out of hand! Now there are 2 of them.

[wintry spindle]

I like weapon masteries a lot

[subtle orchid]

also nice sonar pfp

[glass granite]

Same

[subtle orchid]

same

[reef tundra]

Agreed

I love being a fighter and switching my weapon with each attack to inflict a bunch of mastery effects

[glass granite]

I wonder, can you get magic initiate warlock in 2024 with the human free origin feat?

[subtle orchid]

i was thinking of proficiencies, not mastery

[glass granite]

That they do

[reef tundra]

Sadly, warlock magic initiate was killed

[subtle orchid]

i thought you could?

[glass granite]

Sadge
But hey, I can ask me DM

[glass granite]

Magic initiate doesn’t have a warlock version in 2024 iirc

Only cleric, Druid and wizard

[subtle orchid]

i need to check before typing lmao

[remote wadi]

Probably one of the few times I would consider 2024

[slender gyro]

Can a barbarian do it?

[glass granite]

Yup!