dnd-discussion

[remote wadi]

Fair warning, though. Won't be able to follow it to a T due to stats

I.e. 8 Charisma

[pulsar fossil]

If I just reincarnated would I lose elven accuracy 2024

[glass granite]

-# I gotta ask tho, is there a need to optimise here?

[empty thicket]

true, if the system were completely 5%, so if you throw 100 times 5 will be nat20, but unless the page you are using have that kind of system. There is a bit too much random in your chances

[remote wadi]

I was urged not to talk about my party at all

[pulsar fossil]

In 5e it’s very specific you can’t

[glass granite]

Does that…mean you should optimise?

[pulsar fossil]

But 5.5e it’s very vague only talks about taking the feat

[glass granite]

I feel the folks in #dnd-rules would be able to answer that

[remote wadi]

Was trying to ask before exactly how useful were the kits and what uses they could have outside of the ordinary, i.e. thieves kit to pick a lock

[glass granite]

Yeah some of them are kinda niche/not too helpful
Some are pretty neat tho

-# wait but what does that have to do with optimising?

Just asking if there’s really a need to optimise your build in a group of newbies

[gray granite]

what should i do for my 2014 swords bard satyr rapier guy?

[glass granite]

You should give him a liking for dad jokes

[knotty pasture]

He went down the rabbit hole of wanting to hard carry his team and would monologue about his grand plans so rather than convincing him out of it, may as well refer him to a guide

[glass granite]

Trying to hard carry a team almost never ends well in my experience

[rotund summit]

If i get polymorphed as an aasimar that is currently affected by inner radiance, does the radiance end?
(currently in game)
would appreciate a quick response, if possible.

[knotty pasture]

It would never end well yes but its also too much effort to convince him out of it

Think of the endless complaints about his party having constant nat 20s but playing like toddlers

[uncut sentinel]

Gotta be golden and glorious.

If you aren't reveling in it all, partying with abandon, what's the point anyway/

Every moment is a riot /satyr

[uncut sentinel]

This is normal 5e? Isn't Satyr broken in that ed?

I remember reading that once upon a time on dndbeyond pre-WotC.

[gray granite]

not sure? They get advantage on saves for spells

[uncut sentinel]

hmm lemme see

+2 Charisma, +1 Dexterity

35 ft spd

Can ram with your head (lol typo) for 1d4+ STR modifier

Magic Resistance

Mirthful Leaps (long or high jump, d8 roll, add the number of feet to distance covered)

Yeah that's pretty good X)

free +3 stats

plus MR, plus headbutts, plus jumping

[gray granite]

It's going to be a rapier based swords bard

[uncut sentinel]

Nonetheless, as a racial, imba.

I sit where I stand on that, and remembered the right of it. : D

[marble lion]

Wow thats incredibly busted

[uncut sentinel]

Yeah. Broken. Where's the QA?

[empty thicket]

Take off the magic resistance and would add 5 // 10 feets

too overpowered

[uncut sentinel]

Yeah. If it shows up in anything I DM, I'm going to negate the MR and just let the Satyr jump more.

[remote wadi]

For now, it's mostly trying to get some better equipment. And they're not total newbies, more akin to "first time trying this sort of class"

Anyways, would something like a Smith or Tinkerer kit do well at repairing and especially upgrading weapons and armor

[empty thicket]

still, would give him the chance of get some special item like horseshoes that give X effect.

[glass granite]

Repairing? I’d definitely rule so.
Upgrading is a bit iffier

[uncut sentinel]

Well sure. That can happen with a particular boon for any race / background whatever.

[empty thicket]

But beside that, yeah, the MR is too much. Add more jump//speed or just upgrade the ram to a 1d6

idk how would work that ram tho, bonus action? can take it if Movement were made? etc. etc.

[uncut sentinel]

Agree. +3 free stats is already a lot. I forget all the CHA based classes, but like, Paladin, Warlock, Bard...that +2 CHA makes Satyr with MR busted for so many things.

[gray granite]

In terms of the bard stuff like spells what should i do

i want a good amount of support

[glass granite]

Haste is nice

[empty thicket]

Haste, need you to be backline but you can give a lot of stuff to a fighter//paladin//monk//ranger//barbarian
Any spell that heal is welcome honestly.
Identify need a 100gp pearl but can help in a lot of situations
Silvery barbs yes or yes.

[uncut sentinel]

What's the spell that prevents fear? Calm Emotions?

Another good one to have precast

[gray granite]

i know i'll have a paladin and an artificer in the party

[empty thicket]

Zone of truth or Silence are spells that help in lots of situations

[empty thicket]

still, +2 ac, extra attack, movement. Haste is too good but dont break that concentration or that ally will be wrapped up like a gift.

[uncut sentinel]

Might as well have magic missile for the scaling, targeting, and something to vomit onto injured mobs

[empty thicket]

Anything to help in interactions too, think that you might be the best option for negotiations, talkings, etc.

[glass granite]

Enhance ability maybe

[uncut sentinel]

Don't bards just inspire whenever they want for basically all passive checks, almost inexhaustibly per day?

[empty thicket]

Yep, can use it against enemies raging, fearing, etc. etc.

[tired crypt]

Heat metal can be really good support if used creatively

[empty thicket]

already using concentration for haste

Remember for ermmm.... Rayquaza love the concentration in spells.

[tired crypt]

Fair... oh wait this is all at once?

[uncut sentinel]

Or to punish the abrupt murder hobo in your group.

"Uh. No."

[empty thicket]

kinda, i wont recommend having more than 2 conc spells in the list

Nvm, 60% of bard list is concentration.

[hollow stone]

Heat Metal on the gold in the hobo's pocket

[tired crypt]

I mean it depends in what level but like concentration is fun

[uncut sentinel]

Heat Metal on just the lower portion of his Scale Mail.

[empty thicket]

Yep, but sadly you can only have 1 conc. Unless homebrew rules of having more than one.

[hollow stone]

oh yea Rangers also have this problem, i haven't actually measured it but i'd estimate a good like 70% of their combat-oriented spells need Concentration

[uncut sentinel]

What a hot day, isn't it?

[tired crypt]

Fair but I love managing concentration, trying to find what works best for the situation, others may disagree but thats my take! :)

[empty thicket]

some are understandable, they dont have too much list so the idea must be having one active on them and upgrade the attacks

[knotty pasture]

Now that you mention it, it is weird that all the Ranger spells I packed are practically concentration

[uncut sentinel]

Rangers to me are Masters of None. Such a funny, gimmicky class.

[knotty pasture]

Outside of Rope Trick

[empty thicket]

Sadly hunters mark and zephyr strike are conc....

[unkempt roost]

Rangers are basically an RP class

[uncut sentinel]

Yeah. Perhaps it's time Boo's daughter, Yinsc, the unknown Rashemen trainee, entered the chat.

"I am half woman and half giant miniature space hamster. Die."

[empty thicket]

i kinda like the idea, i had played one session like a ranger hunter sniper.
Each bullet was lethal and almost took down a boss alone

[tired crypt]

I mean there's nothing wrong with that.

[unkempt roost]

The class was literally made because someone wanted to RP Aragorn

[hollow stone]

i mean it'd be cool if Ranger's gimmick was that they can have multiple spells on their Concentration, but they just like, don't get to do that

[empty thicket]

the dm already said that boss might come back later so i know i will have a nemesis chasing me and i am mentally ready for it.

[uncut sentinel]

Wasn't aware lol.

[burnt valley]

That title goes to rogues

[uncut sentinel]

So it's been floating in limbo ever since?

"We uh, don't really know what to do with this. So here's some stuff...."

[unkempt roost]

I guess so

[hollow stone]

as of right now Rangers are basically if Eldritch Knight used the Druid list instead of Wizards

[unkempt roost]

The classes are not balanced whatsoever

[tired crypt]

I mean there's not just roleplay thats outta combat and thats where rogues and rangers shine

[uncut sentinel]

Except Rogues do everything Rangers do 100x better no?

[empty thicket]

Yeah and the whole... Enemy and explorer....its kinda wasted honestly

[knotty pasture]

No its the other way around

Ranger does everything Rogues do but better if Ranger packs a feat

[hollow stone]

yea, Rangers try to be so many somebody else's thing that they aren't anything of their own

[knotty pasture]

Or I guess the better way to describe it is, Bard does everything Rogues do but better

[uncut sentinel]

Right. Wannabes.

Which is unfortunate. They deserve to feel distinct, powerful, and interesting.

[stuck quartz]

No

[knotty pasture]

Oh goodness this is hard, no one told me picking magical armor was this hard for Ranger

[uncut sentinel]

I'm grateful for the nuanced response.

[unkempt roost]

It's pretty hard to do that without the paladin effect

[knotty pasture]

I can either make Gloom Stalker Ranger deceptively tanky or make it a glass cannon, what to do

[empty thicket]

Would just make a ranger good for all the terrains with the "Natural Explorer" and have a lil advantage in all the "Favored Enemy"

[unkempt roost]

I wouldn't do all but maybe 2-3

[uncut sentinel]

Still never sneaking, stealing, or assassinating as well as a rogue.

[tired crypt]

What I think shines about ranger is not their combat ability but their ability in like survival campaigns or those that are very explorative

[knotty pasture]

Except trying to rp survival campaigns is v boring

[stuck quartz]

Better damage, has good spells, better at stealth because of PWT, can be great at out of combat healing with lifeberry

[empty thicket]

meh, for me is another kind of thing.
A ranger must be able to make the nature his terrain of playing, like the rogue can make the cities and towns his playground
The ranger must make the whole nature his playground

[uncut sentinel]

Better damage? Uh.

[tired crypt]

Too each their own.

[knotty pasture]

Definitely better damage, Rogues don't have extra attack

[glass granite]

Actually rangers don’t do half bad damage for a lot of the campaign

[uncut sentinel]

That presupposes level 5-6 can't remember

[knotty pasture]

You have to Sneak Attack every turn to be on par with extra attack

[glass granite]

Plus, if they do use their spell slots their damage increases even more

[knotty pasture]

Oh yeah in T1 campaigns Rogues are much better

[uncut sentinel]

gtg

[tired crypt]

I think it comes to the facts that just not all classes are combat focused

[uncut sentinel]

Either way, I like Rangers. They are great flavor. But they are a gimmick.

[tired crypt]

Exactly!

[unkempt roost]

Rangers are just too niche

[knotty pasture]

I think they're just fine as a martial

[stuck quartz]

They're the best weapon user in the game, and a good 6th member in a high op party

[knotty pasture]

Better than actual martials

[stuck quartz]

(2 wiz, 2 lock, 1 druidlock, ranger)

[empty thicket]

well, i can use that session i had being a ranger. I did all i can to make my character able to do lots of damage with 1 shot
Might ask if the dm let me instead of an extra attack get X extra dice of damage.
But each shot of mines were a kill and if not, left them crippled.
While the party... welp, they were trying

[tired crypt]

There's a good ranger rework that gets rid of spells for trickshots

[knotty pasture]

Idk about a good 6th member, high op parties would just go full wizards and warlocks

[stuck quartz]

Ranger hate in 2025 lmao

[unkempt roost]

It's not hate

[knotty pasture]

You have not experienced the art that is Gloom Stalker

[tired crypt]

Gloom stalker is peak!

[glass granite]

Fav ranger subclass
Then swarmkeeper

[stuck quartz]

Looking at ribbon features like favoured enemy and thinking ranger sucks is missing the forest for the trees

[hollow stone]

Gloomstalker is enjoyable, yea, but we've been hardstuck in the Gloomstalker meta for a bit now

[knotty pasture]

Good

[glass granite]

I just like the thematics of the subclass

[knotty pasture]

Gloom Stalker supremacy

[unkempt roost]

Favourable enemy i think is pretty flawed as it's entirely dependent on the DM how well that works

[remote wadi]

Oh, I wanted to ask something about me as a person

Is it a good idea to make small suggestions to the party about ways to solve problems?
Loose example: advising Fighter to help a blacksmith with work and errands to get better deals on weapons or upgrading his armor to +1

[unkempt roost]

Are you the dm

[jovial shadow]

That would be interesting given Bards were created as a hybrid of Fighter, Druid and Thief (there was no Bard back then)

[glass granite]

Suggestions are fine yeah. It’s a collaborative game.

[stuck quartz]

I'd send a dpr comparison graph if the channel allows images

[glass granite]

Though it is up to the other party on whether or not to follow your suggestion.

[unkempt roost]

I'd be careful about it as the DM but as a player you can definitely suggest it in game

[tired crypt]

If you're not the dm then don't say you may get +1 to stuff but if dm, giving players some options to start out with can be good!

[remote wadi]

Wanted to ask because I was seeing yesterday on how badly I was screwing up with optimization. I still want to make suggestions as a way to help my other party members solve problems, but I'm worried that I might be unintentionally pushing it

[stuck quartz]

But the conclusion is that assassins barely outpace gloomstalker at level 1-3, then the difference spikes at level 5, maintaining a gap of about 50 dpr throughout the rest of the levels

[glass granite]

Just don’t push it, friendly suggestions are in the spirit of the game

[unkempt roost]

Maybe you can ask the DM what they think

I think RP it is always the best answer

[tired crypt]

Agree

[stuck quartz]

Swarmkeeper's a good sub too, they get Web

[glass granite]

“So, my dear fighter friend. What do you say we burn some time at this kinda smith? Hone our skills, and maybe you might even get an upgrade! What do you say?”

[remote wadi]

Well, I'm not going to give it to them myself, I'm not the dm. My party is pretty well equipped for things like proficiencies, but could be used to their advantage. Let's just say that buying 1.5k gp plate armor is a time and place (level 4 and with a party budget of about 4k is not it)

[tired crypt]

Well yeah then use roleplay to be like (dang, we don't have the budget, maybe you can make a deal with a blacksmith?" And go from there

[glass granite]

With that budget you might be able to acquire a musket eventually

[remote wadi]

For example, I myself was going to look for an archery contest and either win some prizes. Or at least, get some good rp in at the cost of some rolls or arrows

[glass granite]

Mhm!

[pallid haven]

can i show you my character sheet a little bit?

[remote wadi]

Well, yeah. Muskets are 500 gp and it's a good chance to use the kits and slowly improvise my way into it being a late game hunting rifle

[burnt valley]

sadistic DMs would say otherwise

[glass granite]

You might be able to craft some ammo with the help of an NPC or party member too
The only issue would be Loading

[remote wadi]

I guess that is the kind of optimization I want the most. Not feats, weapons, or playstyles as much as clever problem solving and looking out for the team while also improving yourself too

[remote wadi]

Gunner perk

[glass granite]

Yeah if you see that consider getting gunner early

[pallid haven]

is gunner unofficial subclass?

[glass granite]

Gunslinger is yeah

[unkempt roost]

I spend far too much time thinking about the logistics of a world with magic and monsters

[glass granite]

Gunner is a feat

[remote wadi]

Gunslinger, yeah. But gunner is a feat

[tired crypt]

Eh depends on the player

[glass granite]

Great minds think alike

[remote wadi]

It might be best at level 6, if this next town gets me the musket. I can use my longbow until then

[glass granite]

You can use both in specific circumstances

[tired crypt]

Everything is cool if the right people are there who enjoy it. Play ranger if you want, play different characters, play with weird homebrew, or none at all. Play survival or sci-fi or whatever. That's the best part of dnd!

[hollow stone]

my party was holed up in a basement, hiding from the feds while we wait for a smuggler, and i had to talk down our Fighter from blasting the guy at the top of the stairs because
A) if he's right and it is a cop, where are the feds gonna look when their guy that they sent here to investigate suspicious activity doesn't come back?
B) if he's wrong, what are we gonna do when the guy letting us stay here is pissed because we killed his friend that smuggled goods for him?

[unkempt roost]

How can things like ogres and giants and dragons AND human(oids) continue to coexist

[tired crypt]

I played in a survival campaign and it was fun! That's my style and it can be someone else's for a different reason and not someone else's for their own reason

[glass granite]

Shoot the musket with your longbow on the floor, then drop the musket and pick up the longbow.
For the rest of combat (after your first turn) use your musket

[remote wadi]

I could technically, but extra attack at level 5 plus holstering and readying a weapon counts as an action. So by then, it's probably best to just stick with the longbow and keep the musket for when I can swap

[tired crypt]

Magic and skill idk pure luck

[unkempt roost]

Ok then how did one side not wipe out the other

[glass granite]

Oh yeah by the time you reach extra attack the strategy goes out the window

As you said, stick with the longbow for that period

[remote wadi]

Which is the next level. We're at level 4 now

[glass granite]

Oh yeah
I kept thinking yall were stilll lvl 3

[unkempt roost]

You would think an organized civilization of humans with the power to do it would work together to wipe out a dangerous threat to them

[tired crypt]

Luck and fantasy world

[empty thicket]

Yes

[unkempt roost]

Now my worlds have answers for this

[hushed mason]

Humans are far too petty for that kind of organization. They're too busy with internal squabbles over power.

[unkempt roost]

No

Even irl humans worked together multiple times to wipe out tons of competing megafauna

[tired crypt]

Depends on the world

[unkempt roost]

And that was WITHOUT magic

[remote wadi]

We leveled up this session and I took Alert

The funny thing was this session, I went before our Wizard and Druid despite both getting nat 20s

[tired crypt]

My worlds has reasons as do others and others may not thats the fun of dnd!

[glass granite]

I saw

[empty thicket]

In my head the canon that the humans in any fantasy are the most Cruel if its needed the situation is there.
Other factions would care for a honorable death, having less casualties possible, loose less resources.
Humans dont, if for the humans they need to be the most cruel, insane and emotionless creature, for survive. They would
But still they would give first a chance of talk, get in a middle ground or at least solve it with words instead of weapons.

[unkempt roost]

It's just a world building problem i see in most fantasy

Humans win because we are the most intelligent

[hushed mason]

In the world I built, I asked... what would these races be like if they didn't have to compete for resources? Maybe orcs, goblins, and kobolds wouldn't be so into eating people if there were easier things to catch and eat and if they weren't always being displaced by other races.

[remote wadi]

I may have to come to terms with that. But I made that suggestion to them and said more or less "Hey. This is a good chance for roleplay. Worst case scenario, we learn more about your character with a chance of side rewards"

If they take that advice is up to them. I know I will

[mystic shuttle]

I don’t care about the official numbers, off the top of your head, what is the average height range for dwarves in D&D?

[remote wadi]

4' - 4'6"

Good middle ground

[glass granite]

120cm, or smt like that

[tired crypt]

4'8 max

[empty thicket]

The kind of creature that would be the kindest, help more people and try to do the things right.
Unless someone push enough to find out why others races choose to have peace with them.

Again, Cruelty, the most unhinged strategies and more.
make the phrase "you dont know the violence that took me for being this kind" a whole race

[hollow stone]

i mean i'd say bottom of the range is like 3'5" and top is 5'0"?

[mystic shuttle]

These numbers are all much smaller than mine. interesting.

[unkempt roost]

It's not even cruelty it's ingenuity

[tired crypt]

I think we as humans overestimate ourselves

[unkempt roost]

We are at the top of the food chain and it's not even remotely close

I think it's vastly underestimating humanity in general

[empty thicket]

Welp, if we considerate that in moments of irl story, we threw bodies with the plague on it to castles
Put poison in lots of rivers that provided water to cities
Put in stakes people just to scare them
Even use skulls and other strategies for intimidation of the enemy.
Etc. etc.

[unkempt roost]

I wouldn't use that to represent the entirety of humanity

[empty thicket]

Think of it but x10 in a fantasy world. We are kind too

[tired crypt]

Ok but other humanoids species in dnd are just as smart and also we aren't in dnd thats for sure

[mystic shuttle]

Well, the tallest dwarves should be like average human I think, like 4’11 to 5’7 seems about right for dwarves and male humans are like 5’6 to 6’2 typically with exceptions both directions

[remote wadi]

This is a fantasy genre, though. I had to chase down someone carry 120 pounds worth of gear who was sprinting at over 25 feet/sec for almost half a minute

[unkempt roost]

And the problem is we couldn't coexist with them one side would have to go

[tired crypt]

Ok?

[remote wadi]

Humans can do some crazy crap when they out their minds to it. Doesn't mean they all can or will

Same goes for other fantasy races

[tired crypt]

Think about it though other humanoids species just as smart along with dragons and other stuff. Angry gods affecting us. Tbf our intelligence is also our greatest downfall

[unkempt roost]

How do we tell him

[mystic shuttle]

Dwarves live for like 200 years don’t they? And like, in the culture there are few things they respect more than a hard days work, they are like Vikings that like to dig and are kinda short and live for a long time

[unkempt roost]

The only reason they're not is because we deliberately stopped killing them

Grizzly bears for example used to live all over North America and within 100 years they were almost entirely hunted out of the US

Simply because of how dangerous they were

[remote wadi]

And that's... bad?

[unkempt roost]

No

They're not extinct but when another species is competing with humans they don't last

[tired crypt]

I mean kinda... but thats getting too deep into banned topics for this server

[unkempt roost]

Right this is getting off topic

[empty thicket]

I just think in that way for humans, they would be the peak in terms of wars and more.
While other races have their ways, humans would adapt and be more smart in it.
Make the war their best thing

[unkempt roost]

I'm not saying that I'm saying that coexistence is what's hard to believe

[remote wadi]

That's just how life works, I guess. I can get behind this. We aren't omnipotent, but often underestimated

[unkempt roost]

If a dragon is eating people attacking towns etc yeah that's coexisting

[wary swift]

Should I get the players handbook and monster manual? Right now I only got the dm guide

[remote wadi]

With that said, the silver lining about someone else trying to get plate armor at level 4 made me realize something for myself: trying to get generally late game stuff this early is not the best idea

Hunting rifle can wait, but a musket to improve into a hunting rifle is much better

[glass granite]

A more affordable option would be the heavy crossbow

Longbow, heavy crossbow, musket, hunting rifle

But tbh musket is cooler

[remote wadi]

That is another one, but a musket is more my style

That, plus I prefer guns to crossbows

[glass granite]

Yeeeeeee

[remote wadi]

Yeah, I got hooked on the Paciencia when I played Fallout: New Vegas

[hollow stone]

does anybody spawn with the HCB? it's always been a comical weapon to me because it's Ranged with a Push Mastery

[glass granite]

Nope

At least not to my knowledge

[night basin]

How do I make a thing in looking for players? 2 peeps pretty much dipped in a campaign I'm in and we're looking for 2 to replace them.

[glass granite]

Type /looking-for players

[remote wadi]

The DnD equivalent of seeing the rule of "make a con save on a hit higher than twice the max hp or die instantly on a fail" then going "Alright bet" and using a weapon to kill grunts 200 times over

[empty thicket]

more if you have any artificer or Crossbow expert feat. For the reload thingy

[tired crypt]

This server is big, really big I just noticed, might leave cause anxious and maybe just find players else where

[empty thicket]

Bro... isnt that serious

[glass granite]

It’s fineeee

[hushed mason]

I recently found two good players here. We're having our second session with them tomorrow.

[tired crypt]

Mb for being extremely anxious? I just have really bad social anxiety disorder

[tired crypt]

Oh good to know!

[hushed mason]

Granted, I was looking for niche players, so I only had about 8 people contact me...

[tired crypt]

How long did that take?

[hushed mason]

A day?

[tired crypt]

Damn...

[hushed mason]

Be picky in your post.

[tired crypt]

Yeah wish I could go back and edit it. I made it in a rush

[hushed mason]

3.5e games are hard to find, so I can usually find interested folks quickly, but they're not all quality folks. I'm really pleased with the two I found from here, though.

[tired crypt]

Oh you do 3.5e neat!

[empty thicket]

Good point, at the same time i dont read minds. Still relax, isnt that big at all, people is chill, channels are slow.

Etc, etc. The best way to overcome some stuff is training on it.

If the thing get too overwhelming then do whatever you need to relax.

[remote wadi]

Wait... how can a Ranger get a spellcasting focus?

[tired crypt]

Captain Planet style

[remote wadi]

2014 rules, preferably without massive investents

[tired crypt]

Uhhh probs little nature things

[mystic shuttle]

This is an important discussion. Christmas Elves are literally just Gnomes. They’re short, they like like to build and tinker and sometimes even invent, they look a little bit weird, no depiction can agree on what they look like and both Elves and Gnomes are type of Fey thus leading to the confusion

[hushed mason]

You may get lots of folks contacting you about your game. You don't have to answer them all right away. Just take a breath and remember that you have something in common with everyone here: we all like to play D&D.

[tired crypt]

I mean yeah

[remote wadi]

Asking because I may need a spellcasting focus for higher level spells

[empty thicket]

Flavor it to an item or just make it being a symbol or gesture for each spell
Hunters mark being 2 fingers pointing a creature
Zephyr being a snap of the fingers, etc. etc.

Make the item you are affecting the spellcasting
Arrows, bow, boots, etc. etc.

[tired crypt]

I hope so, only had two but only one actually was elligible for the kinda lackluster things I said I wanted

[remote wadi]

A good chunk of spells have a material component. Would prefer to avoid it when possible via a spellcasting focus

[mystic shuttle]

So, Gnomes and Dwarves get along?

At all?

[tired crypt]

If nothing else just say component pouch and move along

[unkempt roost]

Gnome halfling

[hushed mason]

Generally speaking, yes.

[remote wadi]

Less flavor, more "Wait... do I even have one...? Oh, crap, may want to get that sorted out ASAP-"

[empty thicket]

Yeah, any option work honestly.
Even a ring, a collar, etc. etc.

[tired crypt]

Most dms won't care just explain it away as you have a pouch or like a sprig of mistletoe as a spell casting thing

Just talk to your dm about it is the main thing

[mystic shuttle]

Makes sense for a Dwarven nation to have a strong secondary population of Gnomes?

[tired crypt]

Yeah like have dwarves never the primary laborers and gnomes work on making gadgets for them

I hope dnd branches into incorporating more things inspired by more mythologies

[loud tendon]

The feature says rangers can use a druidic focus for their spellcasting focus. There is a little table with examples.

One such option is a sprig of mistletoe

[hollow stone]

i once had a ranger who cast Hunters Mark by releasing a little flying creature that would fly to the marked target and look at them like O-O until the spell ended, in which event it would return to the ranger

[hidden spindle]

'14 with Tasha's gets Druidic Focus

[tired crypt]

That's cute

[empty thicket]

Welp, having a familiar doing that would be an epic way to see it

[mystic shuttle]

And by working together they have quickly become the most technologically advanced nation on the continent, inventing rudimentary steam power, electricity and pistons, and giving the players a side quest where they can help in the invention of the train

[empty thicket]

They have fridges... something that other races dont. So they conservate their food differently

[tired crypt]

Ye! heck make them have access to precious tech resources like lithium to make batteries

[hollow stone]

i might play a Beast Master with a companion that does that very purpose, yea. i just need one with Hover that can fly up and stare at people with it's big ol' eyes and doesn't actually do antthing to beligerate you

[vale jasper]

Hi I'm new and i wanted an option if this is a cool character concept or not I have an idea about a sin who is casted outside or hell and loses almost all he power and is basically just mortal

[empty thicket]

Ravens do the thing

A Ranger with a lots of ravens, some are familiars, others are there for the feast

[mystic shuttle]

There are two human Nations, both of which are neighboring the Dwarven, one that’s kinda just chill and has a rather diverse population and is considered an ally of the dwarves and the other that are like, human supremacist and have been at war with the orcs for the last 40+ Years kinda just wiping them out, how much does the ally nation benefit from the Dwarves advancing technology? And how will the rest of the world respond as well?

[hollow stone]

oh ravens can hover? i'm looking at their statblock and it doesn't say they can

or is hovering not a thing they write down?

[empty thicket]

Fly yes, hover im not sure

but you have my idea there, some epic on it

no wait, ravens dont make groups, crows do....meh, doesnt matter

[vapid sluice]

Howdy y'all

[coarse ravine]

A staff is a spellcasting focus for druids idk why it wouldn't also be one for Rangers.

But moon sickle is your answer

[hollow stone]

yea i need a flying creature that can hover that i can reflavor into a nondistinct insectoid that the operator doesn't call anything that isn't just The Drone. they never say what manner of creature it is, only that its name is The Drone and it sees things

[mystic shuttle]

The Dwarves invent straight up fridges you think? Maybe, or maybe they come up with the orginal idea and someone else like finishes or improves upon it to make it the completed product, both have their benefits

[vapid sluice]

I don't think spellcasting focuses are really locked to classes? It's more just that's what focus you get from the class, but you could buy something else?

[coarse ravine]

Moon sickles are class specific. But staffs i think will work

[empty thicket]

idk, but i read that one time about how each race have their ways to conservate food.
While some ferment it, others dry it or cure it. Dwarfs tech let them have fridges

[tired crypt]

Ty LadyIsLay, it was your encouragement that ked me to updating my thing in the replies in hopes for new players

[vapid sluice]

I haven't seen moon sickles, I think, so I don't know anything about that ^^"

[coarse ravine]

Just the ranger and druids spellcssting +1 etc.
Every spellcasting or half caster has one.

[vapid sluice]

I have a new character idea and I really want to find a new campaign to play them in, cause my current DM cut us back to only one campaign a week instead of two :(

[mystic shuttle]

Dwarves invent little mech suit or big robot guys like the dudes from Skyrim?

[tired crypt]

Well there is find a dm so you can look in there

[tired crypt]

Heck yeah, that'd be cool take after big daddy from bioshock maybe

[pallid haven]

should make my kobold fight equip a club weapon? (the one's that bonks an enemy)

[hollow stone]

oh, yea, a hummingbird statblock does exist that has the Hover attribute

[umbral girder]

Changing their weapon can also change their CR so be careful with that

[shut wolf]

I hate to be that guy but can anyone help me understand a west march campaign ive been seeing a few show up but they weren't my taste but that's probably because I dont understand them

[vapid sluice]

True. I'm just sort of anxious about it cause I've only been playing with this one DM for two years and I'm worried about joining another group, yknow? I got bad social anxiety and it took me a while to get used to these guys

[mystic shuttle]

What’s your character idea?

[coarse ravine]

Make it a big club that 2-3 of them swing. For dramatic affect

Like swinging with a log that causes a aoe.

[pallid haven]

my kobold is short i don't think he can carry it if it's heavy

[vapid sluice]

Ah, I'm thinking dhampir shadow monk ^^' Got ideas for backstory stuff but obvs that would need workshopping for specific campaign and whatnot

[tired crypt]

Yeah I feel that, most people are open and welcoming just post your thing mention that and the right people will come to you

[coarse ravine]

Ahh I thought you was talking encounter lol

[eternal summit]

If i do this then that can that do this and this do that either that thing doing this

💀

[vapid sluice]

O.o

[coarse ravine]

But you're doing that

[pallid haven]

but is it ok if i make the kobold equip the Club ( the head bonking weapon that cavemen use)

[eternal summit]

Is it true that dnd stands for do not disturb

🗣🔥

[coarse ravine]

Ive played one kobold cant remember. But he was a barbarian ancestral guardian

[pallid haven]

mine is a fighter still creating it

[mystic shuttle]

Interesting idea. Do you play online?

[vapid sluice]

I do, yeah ^^

[remote wadi]

By default?

[tired crypt]

Way of shadows monk is so fun!

[remote wadi]

Or do you need something special for it?

[vapid sluice]

I've never played a monk before ^^

My go tos are usually cleric or rogue aha, I'm a sucker for sneakiness

[hushed mason]

Tomorrow, my party will face a monk... with snakes for hands!

[mortal spoke]

Hii guys

[tired crypt]

Yeah, Im finally playing my last class after 8 years so it csn take some time

[vapid sluice]

Snakes for hands???

[coarse ravine]

What's your last class?

[hushed mason]

Yes! Yuan-ti halfbreed.

Snakes for arms, I guess.

[pallid haven]

hands made of snakes?

[humble cairn]

How does a 3.5 Monk play?

[vapid sluice]

The characters I've played are... Swashbuckler Rogue... Homebrew bladedancer Rogue... Grave Cleric... Storm Sorcerer... Death Cleric...

[hushed mason]

It has snake heads in place of hands, and snake bodies in place of arms.

[hushed mason]

IDK. We'll find out tomorrow. I've never played a monk as a PC.

[glass granite]

Monk power!

[tired crypt]

Fighter surprisingly

Playing it for a one-shot

[coarse ravine]

Never multiclassed either?

[vapid sluice]

Ouuu

[coarse ravine]

Or you're saying full blown fighter.

[humble cairn]

Ok but like in general? How are they designed to play?

[tired crypt]

Ive multicalssed just not into fighter ever

[mortal spoke]

Is anyone starting a new campaign?

[coarse ravine]

Interesting what's the level?

[vapid sluice]

I've never multiclassed before, but in my current campaign we're doing gestalting

[tired crypt]

Level 5

[hushed mason]

1d8, average BAB, all good saves.

[coarse ravine]

What subclass ya going.

[humble cairn]

What BAB?

[hushed mason]

They're stealthy usually. BAB = base attack bonus.

[vapid sluice]

Build a bear???

[potent siren]

Base Attack Bonus, older edition mechanic

[mystic shuttle]

Well I have one player who wants to be a reborn fighter and basically everyone else currently has fallen through it seems, I think that combination seems pretty fun. Maybe we could look at setting something up if things turn out that way and you’re interested

[tired crypt]

I love charisma characters so Im going for banneret or however you spell it! Im happy to check this off my list!

[vapid sluice]

Possibly, I'm probably gonna be shopping around for a little bit

[potent siren]

Banneret my beloved, if only WOTC didnt make it so mediocre :(

[coarse ravine]

Never heard of that sounds fun

[humble cairn]

And you're the DM?

[coarse ravine]

Fighter that has rp options i like it.

[tired crypt]

Yeah but its pretty good low level besides I love roleplay and charisma so thats my thing (my friends joke about how even when charisma shouldn't be in the character I make sure they have a giant charisma stat)

[hushed mason]

Yes,

[pallid haven]

should i use chainmail armor?

[tired crypt]

Ikr! It allows you a skill proficiency and too heal others using second wind at level 3

[coarse ravine]

It is Christmas

[humble cairn]

Ok so what are you planning? Sneaky flurries of poisonous attacks before hiding again?

[pallid haven]

wut?

[coarse ravine]

Jingle bells everyone will hear ya coming lol

[vapid sluice]

XD

[mortal spoke]

I made a character that was a Drakewarden Ranger but I didnt get to play her 😔

[potent siren]

Santa on his armored sleigh

Ever seen Rudolph in plate barding?

[pallid haven]

i don't get it?

[coarse ravine]

Its a song

[hushed mason]

TBH, I'm not entirely sure. I had been focusing too much on the abomination, and now I have to figure it out. I think just straight up flurry + utilising Spring Attack to get out of the way after an attack. Step up, attack, step back.

[rigid delta]

By Mystra, it's hard to find a game to play in.

[tired crypt]

Currently I have a warlock, rogue, bard/monk, witch (valda spire of secret class fir those who dont know) and this one-shot fighter!

[coarse ravine]

Like the chain will be moving and rattling. Id wear it if thats your best ac. If it becomes a problem then sell it and get something else.

[humble cairn]

You should give it the ability to slither into crevices smaller than their size.

[pallid haven]

i mean is it recommended for fighters to wear it?

[tired crypt]

Recommend looking at "looking for players" or to make a post in looking for dms

[hushed mason]

It can change into a tiny viper.

[rigid delta]

I did. A lot of the games are on Friday or Saturday. Both days I'm not available.

And I'm not sure I have enough gumption to start up a game of my own ...again.

[tired crypt]

Dang thats rough well if it doesn't go well you can post again in a week and go from there

[coarse ravine]

I think baby snake hands is a great idea. Baby snakes release the most poison don't they?

[vapid sluice]

I had a little look through looking through players and a lot are American times 😭 Gonna wait and see for more posts later owo

[mortal spoke]

If you do make your own game im down to join 🙂

[rigid delta]

I can only hope.

[hushed mason]

In D&D, the larger the snake, the higher the Difficulty Class of the poison, usually. This is because larger snakes have more hit dice.

[rigid delta]

You and everyone else, mate.

[deft pine]

So can a level 20 artificer make the Playstation 2

[mystic shuttle]

Looking around is always good, feel free to let me know if you’re interested. Good luck with your search

[rigid delta]

Maybe we need to bewitch some people into being DM's.

[vapid sluice]

Thank you :3 I will do, good luck finding players as well!

[rigid delta]

Lol. No. The god of Copyus Strikus will smite thine artificer.

[nova trellis]

The fun thing about fighter is not having to worry about DM psychology and guessing whether or not their the kind of DM that reward picking exploration spells as a caster.

[coarse ravine]

I just meant theatrical in real life baby snakes release more poison because they cant control it. It was just for flavor for the delivery not really mechanical wise. But yes this is true.

[nova trellis]

No worry, just fight, as a fighter.

[coarse ravine]

Larger the snake larger poison molecules for sure prolly.

[cinder timber]

Fashooty

[mystic shuttle]

Thank you thank you.

[deft pine]

A Ploystation II

[nova trellis]

Have fun with that snake pit of baby snakes encounter I know you're cooking in your head.

[empty thicket]

Fighter is made for that only, fight.
There are few subclasses that give you tools for interact or more
But in general, fighter is the problem solver of the fights
The enemies are hte problem. SOLVE THEM.

[mystic shuttle]

Well good night everyone. Have a good night

[coarse ravine]

Hahaha nah it was baby snakes as hands. Sounded fun. Like you cut off the hand it grows back kind of thing.

[tired crypt]

Gn

[vapid sluice]

Goodnight!

[nova trellis]

I actually say Battlemaster and Echo are reasonably fun classes even for the exploration part of the game.

[rigid delta]

*An Eldritch hand reaches across the realms and reaches into the depths of your Artificer's soul, ripping out its spirit and binding it to a contract to serve out the rest of eternity at the feet of the being S'on y Co'orplted

[empty thicket]

Nice, but still. Solve the enemies

[tired crypt]

Limiting fighter to only combat limits your options, thinking bout how they would act outside of it

[empty thicket]

Give them that special effect that work for solving problems, oh yeah
DEATH.

[coarse ravine]

Lots of ways to solve the fights. But in terms of dps you're prolly right. Yall fighters be pushing out insane damage.

[empty thicket]

its what we are made for, bows, greatswords, swords, axes, heavy, medium, light armors. Anything of that

the biggest problem is hordes, even using Cleave dont let you kill them all easily

[coarse ravine]

• alot of amazing builds still require 2 level fighter dip. So fighter is included in that.

But in terms of rp you can rp is anything. But with those stats when it comes time to roll. Ya get what ya get

[rigid delta]

Honestly wish every class in D&D didn't require level dips for truly majestic damage.

[empty thicket]

The only problem in fact is, your tools against casters is, killing them before they cast.
Beside that, going for throat, book, pepper//dust bombs for blinding.

[coarse ravine]

You dont have to multiclass

[tired crypt]

Fighter is fun for many bonks, I like many bonks. Fighter also has fun role-playing opportunities. I like fun role-playing opportunities. I like Fighter

[coarse ravine]

Just there's nothing in the game like action surge.

[rigid delta]

There's a universe where every class feels like a perfect powerhouse.

[coarse ravine]

This is true

[humble cairn]

Damage isn't everything?

[coarse ravine]

Everyone always wants to multiclass paladins. Not really realizing they can become demigods ||For one minute|| at level 20

[rigid delta]

Says someone who has never experienced the awesome power of Fireball

[vapid sluice]

Imma be honest, I have no idea how to multiclass effectively. It always just seems so daunting

[empty thicket]

For now my roleplay in the party is kinda leading them.

I have a bard, paladin, artificer and another fighter but im kinda taking the lead in lots of stuff.
And try to make them be alive most of the time
Will give the lead to some of them someday tho

[humble cairn]

No, says someone who plays support characters and claims all damage done by people under their Bless as mine.

[rigid delta]

Step one: Choose Ranger
Step two: multi class into Fighter 3
Step three: ???
Step four: grofit

[rigid delta]

Smart

[tired crypt]

Fair also class is not the only thing that determines roleplay species and background also do, and they also influence your playstyle somewhat

[coarse ravine]

Honestly sometimes support is everything

[vapid sluice]

My character rn is a gestalted Death Cleric/Phantom Rogue for maximum spookiness

[rigid delta]

If I can find a game, I'll probably play a Cleric or a Monk.

[hollow notch]

is BG3 Cannon due to haveing books with the cast now

[rigid delta]

Or mebbe a sorcerer...

[hollow notch]

how about a paladin

[coarse ravine]

Nothing like being in a field of shadows with 25 of em.... then we all climbed in a tree and I cast plant growth.

[rigid delta]

No...?

[tired crypt]

I love different things them jsut damage, healing, tank, distraction, utility, rushdown, dps, its fun

[humble cairn]

I find that Control, especially stacking control classes in a party, can trivialize fights.

[knotty pasture]

Bg3's basically canon in some ways sure

There's bits and pieces of info that were referenced from other campaigns

[tired crypt]

Focusing only on damage and combat fir that matter limits you to the possibilities

[empty thicket]

I take the microphone in some talks, last time was with some harpies, their singing was leading to people to jump for accident to their death.
My charisma is low so i act like my words arent well said sometimes and tend to sound aggressive.

"Look, im not angry at you all for what happened, is in your nature. But i have to put a stop to it, move away from there, stop singing or whatever but stop, or we will stop you."
Harpie: Are you threatening us?
"Not threatening, promising, people is dying and if we were in the opposite places, you would do all you can for protect your people. Like im trying right now without killing you all"
Harpie: you right, we sorry.

[coarse ravine]

Yes nothing also like teleporting the whole party away from a aura affect etc.

[tired crypt]

Yeah, thats a super cool way to roleplay a fighter! I love it!

[coarse ravine]

But when that enemy still has like 130ish health. You're all in great danger someone's down someone's about to go down..... fighter finishes the fight.

[empty thicket]

But sometimes speaking with commoners or some others is hard.
We have a companion that is kinda traumatized and my character is too kind with him

[cerulean monolith]

I need a way for a mob of town guards to destroy a large stone building without magic. Explosives aren't really accessible. Anybody have ideas?

[tired crypt]

Or being a good trap disarmer, or skill monkey, or idk the name but out of combat support like with prestigidation, illusion, and high charisma

[tired crypt]

Hammers

[coarse ravine]

Commune with nature

[hollow notch]

trebuchet

[coarse ravine]

Speak with animals, speak with plants

[cerulean monolith]

Building is a tad bit too large for that to be quick enough for the effect I desire. They also don't have any siege weapons on hand

[tired crypt]

Yeah, thats my favorite oart bout dnd, some people may focus on the combat but I love the roleolay and the nuances of two the characters interact

[hollow notch]

dang

[coarse ravine]

2-3 of them big log lol jk stone door? We have any viking experts?

[hollow notch]

local freindly giant

[tired crypt]

Exactly having a mechanical role isn't just combat. That's why instead of combat and roleplay. I like to do mechanical and roleplay

[solid echo]

Man trying to stay a barbarian with any amount of mental stats just feels bad?

How low can ac/hp really be on a barbarian before it starts to become a problem

[coarse ravine]

How did genghis khan son breach china?

You should look that up with Marco polo.

[tired crypt]

Battering ram

[cerulean monolith]

By going around the wall, obviously /s

[hollow notch]

it 😒 the principle

[empty thicket]

There is the joke in our group that im giga bad talking with womans.
Like other many jokes on it between us.
I will build a cabin beside a river and build some stuff on it

[hollow notch]

i need great hair care

[coarse ravine]

I mean at least in the show Marco polo. Marco polo introduced siege weapons to the Khans. I just cant remember what siege weapons they used.

[knotty pasture]

If you're under 12 dex 14 con its awfully dangerous

This is why 14 dex 16 con is important

[hollow notch]

good thing i brought this elephant

[tired crypt]

Love the nuance

[knotty pasture]

But Barbs are so straightforward that you shouldn't go below 12 dex 14 con

[solid echo]

I was looking at 16 14 14 8 12 11

That’s after racial bonuses

[coarse ravine]

Now were talking rhinos and elephants

[cerulean monolith]

That's historical revisionism. The Mongols had siege weapons. Though, actually, they solved the wall quite easily: they just broke down the gates

[tired crypt]

Or you could forget metagsming and have bad stats or unoptimal stats for fun. That's always good for roleplay and leads to more drama in combat

[knotty pasture]

Con's not the best but it'll work

[empty thicket]

hope you know how to shrink it buddy, it doenst fit anywhere

[coarse ravine]

Well the story was Genghis never could do it. But his son's did

[knotty pasture]

We have a word for that kinda playstyle (assuming it isn't agreed by the full table)

We call it griefing

[hollow notch]

i made a reference obscura

[coarse ravine]

I just figured for their story. Stone wall they could do whatever the Mongols did

[cerulean monolith]

Genghis did a good chunk of the conquering himself, actually. He was the one who got past the Great Wall, specifically

[tired crypt]

Hmmmmmm... I mean ig but it is also like especially in a campaign where roleplay matters more, having bad stats or unoptimal stats can be fun. Make a smart barbarian or a strong wizard. The game is about having fun and if that means minmaxing then thats great but if that means caring more about roleplay then combat or stats thats also fine

[coarse ravine]

Gygax himself said a good adventurer. Should have have at least 2 stats 16 and above. Dont quote me lol

[cerulean monolith]

But, the Mongol breach of the wall is a little different from what I'm going for here. I want them to destroy, or at least heavily damage this large stone structure, not just get past it

[coarse ravine]

He said something like that.

[knotty pasture]

Flavoring is free, you don't need 17 int to roleplay a genius

[unkempt roost]

Players who metagame summon the destiny ghosts who only the metagamer can see and they drag that player character into hell

[solid echo]

True, I’m the goal is a barbarian who is a folk hero; but in the way that he’s like really helpful around town

[cerulean monolith]

something something it's impossible to not metagame something something not all metagaming is bad

[hollow notch]

is it realy metagameing

[coarse ravine]

First death in our campaign was due to not metagaming. I just dont know how to feel about it. We all felt it was a succubus. But we all played along when we thought someone else was charmed.... it sucked.

[unkempt roost]

I agree i think trying to mid/max in general misses the point of DND

[hollow notch]

it just what is optimal

[tired crypt]

I mean I didn't mean ti cause an argument I was just trying ti say that its not always best to only focus on the stats, and making best character

[cerulean monolith]

You should optimize your character to the level agreed upon by your table

[unkempt roost]

In this scenario i think an intuition check would be allowed

Having a gut feeling something is wrong

[coarse ravine]

I think we failed. I was the wis and I think i rolled a 2 or something

For insight

[unkempt roost]

That's probably just poor planning on the dms part

[tired crypt]

I was just trying to say that like. Not having the most optimal gameplay or even good gameplay is fine. Its fun that matters...

[hollow notch]

you wouldnt put your highest ASI in to your classes non main stat then again paladin and some others have 3 main stats

[solid echo]

Though maybe fighter might be better for what I’m going for?

[coarse ravine]

Well it was also our choice to listen to the chick saying her brother was getting captured in the other room. + the player was role-playing very well. "I got yall i got yall. Ill protect her yall go find her brother. Ill watch yalls backs from here"

[cerulean monolith]

Had a player try to play a sorc with 16 int and 12 charisma. Didnt understand why we were happy with that

[wind widget]

Hi

[unkempt roost]

Idk i think there would probably be a better way to run that

[tired crypt]

You see, the thing is I would. Even if its suboptimal, I think it could make for great storytelling, that was all...

[coarse ravine]

Well to be fair we were searching the dungeon. He walked into that room first and untied her. We were in other rooms.. before going to the that room. We didn't see the charm action etc. It was honestly our fault for splitting up in a dungeon.

[hollow notch]

i did as well i hated it i was useless

[unkempt roost]

Oh in that case it seems fine

[tired crypt]

Ok... to each their own...

[unkempt roost]

That's just example X of why to never split the party

[coarse ravine]

Her mentioning brother my brain and everyone else's immediately went to incubus

So that would be metagaming.....

[unkempt roost]

You could ask the DM if your characters knew what succubi were

That would be their call tho

[dusk carbon]

Yo.

[hollow notch]

i would thimk in a universe where devels and demons are at least rare i would say a adventurer would have heard rumors or storys

[coarse ravine]

💯

We learned that day

Had a ceremony and everything for him.

[coarse ravine]

It was just alot of players choice as well.

We prolly were too hasty to find the brother just incase. Etc I mean idk i was newer to dnd back then as well and I didn't wanta metagame. I rolled insight failed terribly. But def should have asked those type of questions. As well as other members of the party.

[knotty pasture]

Some level of minmaxing is nice as a respect of sorts to both your fellow players and the table rather than going completely random about it

Granted if the table is about messing around and griefing to begin with, disregard what I said

[coarse ravine]

Flaws are fun especially with rolled stats

[unkempt roost]

I don't think it shouldn't be allowed or anything like that or even discouraged I just think DND has a lot more to offer without trying to do that

[knotty pasture]

I guess a metaphor would be like, you should at least put on sneakers when playing basketball, unless everyone agreed you can, and it'd be fine to, play with slippers

The sneaker wearing player is not "minmaxing" basketball, it'd just be common etiquette

[coarse ravine]

My tortle had a 5 in dex because his legs were traded in for his powers as a warlock.

[tired crypt]

If youre doing it too be such then sure thats griefing but flaws work well in characters and story telling

[unkempt roost]

Because DND is less a game than it is storytelling, like if all the characters are perfect pristine without flaws it can detract

[tired crypt]

But thats just imo...

[unkempt roost]

But again, at the same time I don't think there's any wrong way to play dnd as long as everyones having fun

[knotty pasture]

Where do we draw the line with doing it too well

[coarse ravine]

Big on the fun part

[knotty pasture]

We have 8 constitution apologists the other day

[tired crypt]

Thats up to each table

[knotty pasture]

So why are you at arms about Barb being at least 12 dex 14 con

[coarse ravine]

I always raise my con as highest stat. I normally try to hit 17 then at level 4 resilient in con to make it 18. Thats like standard for me regardless of class.

You are a hero then your con better be leagues over commoners

In terms of health and sickness along with everything else.

[unkempt roost]

Even without that they already are

[tired crypt]

Im just saying you don't always need to be. Saying you need to at least be something limits others. Im here advocating for freedom of choice not griefing

[unkempt roost]

Average commoner is level zero with no skills

[knotty pasture]

Sounds like griefing to me ngl, but yknow this channel is a mixing pot, the point of it is that there's no consensus

[coarse ravine]

Im saying adventuring in harsh climates. (Most tables dont run that) but yes health is constitution. But in reality con is definitely flavored as being able to resist things that would bring you down otherwise. Elements, poisons, exaustion etc

[tired crypt]

Imo griefing is to do it to hurt others/for no reason. Giving your character flaws and story telling using their stats isn't but yeah I already said that. It really doesn't matter in the end

[knotty pasture]

Or at least hurting for selfish reasons imo

[cerulean monolith]

the answer here is simple: if your table is comfortable with characters that will be bad at The Thing™ then you can play those characters. some (perhaps most) tables will not be comfortable with that

[tired crypt]

Yeah

[knotty pasture]

I want a 8 str 10 dex 12 con Barb because umm, funny? Gonna ignore the glares from the DM and other players, they aren't understanding the true art of roleplaying

[cerulean monolith]

in general, the point of a build is to do The Thing™, so that's why most people have an aversion to builds that are shittier at doing The Thing™. but storytell how your storytelling partners want to storytell

[coarse ravine]

Hexblade barbarian?

Does that work? Lol

[tired crypt]

I feel like thats poking fun but if you're party is ok and it makes sense for storytelling why not especially in a roleplay heavy campaign

[unkempt roost]

Like John Carpenters the Thing™

[cerulean monolith]

Moreso John Tumblr's The Thing™

[unkempt roost]

Or it's clobbering time the Thing™

[coarse ravine]

Or is it the hand on Adam's family?

[unkempt roost]

What's the context here

Oh you mean like barbarian being bad at barbarian things

[cerulean monolith]

Characters have their Things™ that they do. Generally, you want to be good at your Things™

[tired crypt]

Like what about a kinda week teenager whose father pushed them into being a barbarian after he dies but he isn't ready for it yet as he didn't complete his training and isn't very good at it yet

[cerulean monolith]

Sometimes it can be fun to be bad at your Things™. Plenty of people don't enjoy playing that or with that at their table.

[coarse ravine]

True like a bard dumping charisma.

Yeah your bad songs are cute... but what are you providing

[unkempt roost]

As long as you're not actively a detriment to the party

[tired crypt]

Or a warlock who got a really bad deal with their patron because they have low charisma

[glass granite]

A warlock who dumped Cha is…
Even for roleplay purposes, don’t do that

[unkempt roost]

I mean a warlock who is being bullied by their patron into every decision would be pretty funny

[glass granite]

Don’t dump your primary stat (the one your class depends on the most)

[cerulean monolith]

By virtue of not providing as much value as someone who was built to actually be effective at doing their Things™, you are being detrimental to the party by playing such a character. The only argument is in a case where the group as a whole is okay with you being a detriment in that way.

[fiery nimbus]

at least if you are dumping Charisma on your warlock, use Summon Greater Demon spell

[unkempt roost]

I think mechanically tho you don't want to do that

[tired crypt]

But I mean my opinion isn't really popular or wanted here and I need to do something else maybe so yeah

[burnt cave]

I think I’ve pivoted to being an evil DM kinda-

[cerulean monolith]

That's like handing a soldier in war a NERF gun. They are an active detriment because they are a useless body on the field, and they could be much more useful if they had a real gun. Don't give your character a NERF gun unless everybody agrees that a NERF gun is chill

[coarse ravine]

Eh... different hours different people

[unkempt roost]

It works a lot better narratively than mechanically

[cerulean monolith]

i am generally a constant. my opinions are inescapable

[unkempt roost]

Don't fudge the stats but you can still RP it

[tired crypt]

I just like roleplay more than combat thats all

[unkempt roost]

I do as well

[coarse ravine]

For asi do you take skill expert?

[burnt cave]

Sins of Sprigonia OST:
track 20. Count Voros, The Man Who Lost It All

Track 38. Last Stand (Voros’ Sacrifice)

[glass granite]

Even if you like it more, dumping a really important stat is gonna make you really weak (arguably useless) in combat. Just because you prefer one doesn’t mean you should neglect the other completely

[unkempt roost]

My opinions are objectively correct any who disagree will have rocks fall from the sky

[tired crypt]

Sometimes...

[glass granite]

I do too, tbf

Skill expert is very nice on skill monkey characters

[tired crypt]

Ik it isn't good...

[glass granite]

Bards, rogues, rangers, knowledge domain clerics…
It is good

[burnt cave]

😭 I kinda feel bad about this one but

Someone’s gotta sacrifice themselves against the first and possibly last fight with the bbeg…

[coarse ravine]

I like it on some builds with my observant. Pushing passive 30 if ya also getting adv

[unkempt roost]

The man who sold the world

[glass granite]

Enhance ability go brrrrr

[coarse ravine]

Or Sentinel shield

[glass granite]

That too

[tired crypt]

I mean Ive had a 8 strength barb carry multiple fights and had a drsmtic sacrifice after accepting that he wouldn't live up to his clans expectations

[glass granite]

Did…
Huh
Did they use Dex weapons?

[slate belfry]

Hey hello! I wanted to ask if anyone have a bot for dnd cubes, I have some from VTM and world of darkness, but I would like to have some (if you have) for dnd rolls

[coarse ravine]

Avrae

[tired crypt]

I tend to go with what fits thematically rather than any thing else tho... ik thats unpopular and has gotten me yelled at by several players

[tired crypt]

No

[coarse ravine]

Download avrae to your server

[slate belfry]

Thank you so much! ☺️

[glass granite]

I find it mildly concerning if a dumped strength barbarian is carrying fights

[coarse ravine]

No problem avrae has lots of options for your characters as well.

[glass granite]

Though, DM’s do scale difficulty to fit the party…

[coarse ravine]

Combat etc you can even do monsters vs pcs in combat and avrae records everything)

[slate belfry]

I will check it out :3 thanks

[tired crypt]

I just played well and used my abilities wisely

Im a good strategy game player so I can make up for bad stats mostly

[coarse ravine]

Wanta create a monster. There's coding for that. You can add a singular rat. Make it ac 20 with 200 hp and condition and resistances etc. Just alot of coding but in its simplest form just add avrae

[glass granite]

Could you give some examples of these strategies?
I wanna learn

[coarse ravine]

Lifeline strategy help here.

[cerulean monolith]

I've been in this server for 868 days and have sent 15,327 messages. That's an average of 18 messages a day. However, in my most prolific month this year, September, I sent 1,669 messages, which is an average of 56 messages per day. God save me

[tired crypt]

Well I tend to use some creative techniques such as using my high intimidation to scare an enemy off a ledge that was fun but I also planned my rages for full affect and carefully selected magic items... it may not sound like a lot but being creative in combat really helps

[coarse ravine]

Touche. Can get a headband of intellect. Ogre gauntlets

Youre set with int and str.

[slate belfry]

Wow cool

I am just a player now, I will tell my master

I am a world of darkness master usually, but I miss some fun dnd interactions so hope will be able to play

Even tho my master seems to not be able to give me and my party a game because of his job :((

Poor dude working now and has only 2 days to rest for new years, 1t and 2nd of January, that’s all

But bot still will be helpful, so thank you ☺️

[glass granite]

How high did you have to roll to get someone to jump off a cliff?

[coarse ravine]

Im so sorry I read that second line like you was a gremlin fidgeting with their hands lol.
The voice in my head "ill tell my master."

But yeah sounds good avrae is awesome all on discord

[glass granite]

The Influence action is an underrated one, but the DC for that must be quite high

So I’m curious

[coarse ravine]

Avrae creates the combat for you and its all fluid. Ive even just winged it with a homebrew monster. Gave him giant ape health and changed the ac to 17.

[slate belfry]

AHAHHA

Yeah try better Draco Malfoy voice about his father

[tired crypt]

Discord being stupid. I talked right in their face while walking forward and then they kept backing up and then splat

[slate belfry]

My master will be hearing about this bot

[burnt valley]

Wouldn't it be dependent on the DM?

[glass granite]

It would be, as many DC’s are

[tired crypt]

Yeah but like most dms are open to creativity

Ik it isn't really valid but its the best I got ig. Idk I just dont really wanna be judged

[coarse ravine]

Yeah and all ya do as a player is copy the link from dnd beyond and run !import (link) you're character will also be in avrae.

[empty thicket]

But i do, i want judgment.
I want!!! 5 alchemy jugs

[glass granite]

I want a donut. Or 982.

[slate belfry]

Cool

I just waken up so think slow a bit especially considering that english is my third language, could you explain me which link? What is “dnd beyond”? Is it an app?

[coarse ravine]

Dnd beyond is a website that let's you create your character

[empty thicket]

Or an infinite pizza sílice

Using wish for it if i find a way

[tired crypt]

Well ok...

[coarse ravine]

You can also use gsheets for avrae

[slate belfry]

Omg I was making those in roll20 or photoshop list from google 👀

[coarse ravine]

Your table can simply just get the base form of avrae for the dice. Or you can add the combat and get your characters installed etc. Its just fun to go !sb and look at spellbook. Or !sheet to look at sheet. Or !a to look at your characters available actions etc. But to run a game stuff as simple as !r 1d20 +5 etc. Then yall calculate everything.

[slate belfry]

That is perfect, love gsheets

[burnt cave]

when was the last time an npcs death crushed you?

totally not asking for evil dm reasons

[slate belfry]

O no, I don’t have money for this my hobby

[empty thicket]

Or a genie,
1 infinite pizza slice
2 adamamtine javelin that travel x5 my speed and distance and have return weapon feature
3 a pseudodragon that is part Phoenix so is an eternal creature for my future generations

[supple grove]

Anyone know any ways to play dnd online without roll20

[coarse ravine]

Dnd beyond is free

[burnt cave]

On discord w owlbear and avrae

[empty thicket]

Foundry, dnd beyond, etc

[supple grove]

Thank you

[coarse ravine]

Oh I know

None of my circles available lol just land.... I cant stand land

[cerulean monolith]

https://media.dndbeyond.com/compendium-images/free-rules/ph/character-sheet.pdf

[burnt cave]

Oof…

[coarse ravine]

Sorry bg3 reference but ||them Harpys man||... I was kinda crushed

[burnt cave]

I mean- the only one I can think of was when my first character found out his parents died half a year into the journey. Under the impression that they were alive the whole time.

That was the first time I was legitimately emotionally harmed by dnd

[cerulean monolith]

emotionally harmed? what

[burnt cave]

Emotional damage

[coarse ravine]

I think the npc that crushed me was my backstory was a Goliath that fell of a cliff essentially after a blue dragon attacked his home. He was then raised by firbolgs. ... well dm had some of the other boys survive as well and far into the campaign we met up with them. Just for them to be working with the blue dragon. They were totally non chalant about it too. It wasn't death but it was essentially "me or my comrades will eventually have to kill you" type moment. I snuck into their camp by burrowing for some rp lol

[burnt cave]

Damn…the nonchalant part would drive me insane (in rp) because wow-

[tired crypt]

Peace everyone. Nice talking to you all. I may join back in the future but Im too nervous to stay in the server for the time being. Peace.

[glass granite]

May your pillows be cool

[coarse ravine]

Well the blue dragon was the bbeg the whole time. Then my "cousins" were like "if you actually get to know them they are kinda cool. We spread everything equally across the army" just basically meaning they were in good company and being well taken care of. So it was like a almost how on earth am I gonna convince them to leave. They were trying to recruit me after that for the rest of the campaign. Even tried to capture me once but I got free.

[visual dew]

I have a campaign today and we’re missing a player and the idea is floating around of like making a character collectively that someone would play each long along side there character and that person would change each time just wondering if yall have ever done something like that

[tired crypt]

Ty bye bye

[coarse ravine]

Is it quest time or are they in town?

[glass granite]

I’ve heard of it, never done it

[visual dew]

This would be the first section of the campaign so not sure but pretty sure it’s a village

[burnt cave]

Well damn nice on your rolls there. Fkkd up from the bbeg tho

[visual dew]

We had a player at first but he canceled on us after making ten campaign a 4 player one so that’s why we’re doing this

[coarse ravine]

Nice rolls on the no jailed escape?

Or sarcastic on the not convincing them lol.

[burnt cave]

On the failed capturing lol

[coarse ravine]

We were totally in another tent with 2 humans and I was speaking giant to them in the rp hahah

[burnt cave]

ah the language barrier trick for rp

[vapid sluice]

Not quite an NPC death, but when my character in Witchlight was searching for her father, only to find out after performing for one of the hags that the mask she was wearing for the performance was her father. Left me chilled

[coarse ravine]

Yeah it was like 40 something guards worth of army. Other big things cant remember. I looked to my comrades and simply quietly "run" and I casted a 5th level fog cloud. My monk jumped near above the cloud and I turned into a earth elemental and borrowed. Then used the tremor sense on the casters trying to dispel magic. Simply grappled and buried them in the sand. But monk got away cleric teleported. I stayed and took out their tents and structures along with every spellcaster and seige weapons.....

Earth elemental with fog cloud/ burrowing with tremorsense with bonus action healing goes hard

I think dm genuinely tried to capture us there lol

His mouth kinda dropped on the 5th level fog cloud hahahah

[burnt cave]

💀

[woven flint]

Hello, friends

[coarse ravine]

Grappling with a earth elemental and pulling pcs under us kinda something dms dont do... but as a player ir seemed very useful

[woven flint]

This kinda reminds me of the time my Wildfire Druid was blasting through an army of undead with burning hands and other AOEs and using old conjure animals because the party was trying to make it through to a toward that was being seiged to help the people being attacked, I don't know how many undead he killed, but he killed so many that the dm herself said "Damn, has Vaskhir ever considered being a Druid Warlord?"

[coarse ravine]

Wildfire is my favorite subclass to play

Ive rpd that so much lol with the casting from the wildfire spirit level 6

[woven flint]

I was the only person in the party with huge AOE's so I absolutely decimated the seige

[coarse ravine]

Yeah teleporting the whole party as a bonus action every round and the level 6 ability is just so fun

[woven flint]

He was also wielding and fighting with a Sun Blade as well, now that I remember

[coarse ravine]

Druid with a blade huh? Ok lol I see ya

[woven flint]

It was him and the Storm Herald Barbarian, they were very close friends and rivals, so that's why he fought with his own sword lmao. He wanted to prove that he didn't always need magic, but in the siege his magic was their greatest aspects

[coarse ravine]

I remember the first time getting staff of woodlands. Dm surrounded us with demons trying to run to a siege the wall was in front of us. Dm luckily favored us in giving us space lmao. Because my character decides to encase the party in wall of thorns albeit great idea. But I think thats 4 squares and there was 5 of us. So yes we just had to deal with flying demons after that. But we were squeezing lol. That encounter was awesome

Dm downed me and wall drops. Round goes by I fail a death save. Player gets me up and I turn into a water elemental and engulf the large demon

It was epic!

That was moon tho not fire.

[charred panther]

If I understand correctly, for craft in dnd you need a lot of down time. So, if you never have that downtime, there's no raw way to craft magic items and it goes out of the window

Is there some items in artificers Replicate magic item + common magic items tables that are very-very useful to have one per day, specifically in ToA? I'd say cheese level useful

[remote wadi]

Hmmmm...

Wonder what a drunken monk or swordsman would be like in dnd

And no. Dwarves don't count

[still plover]

Drunken Monk is already a monk subclass and you'll need to be more specific than swordsman. Lots of folk have swords.

[remote wadi]

Maybe something like a chef of sorts who tastes a lot of "exotic" meats for certain dishes

So less a sword and more akin to meat cleavers

[still plover]

Reflavour the slashing weapon of your choice, take the Chef feat.

Or just proficiency with cooking tools.

[remote wadi]

Reflavored handaxes?

[still plover]

If you like, sure. Can you throw a cleaver? Hong Kong action movies say you can.

[remote wadi]

Could fit pretty well. Just not sure how to fit being drunk in it. Would be cool to have something like a penalty to dexterity and intelligence checks, but a small bonus to the other 4

[still plover]

It's a style, not a requirement.

[remote wadi]

(Almost) anything can be a throwing weapon if you're drunk enough

But then again, I can make them close to perpetually drunk

And just have the stats reflect that

Then ol reliable of human fighter

[still plover]

That would be the simplest way to reflect it, I feel.

[remote wadi]

Or, play a certain race to tie up the element together. What would be the best ones?

[still plover]

Pass. That's getting into cultural stereotypes.

[remote wadi]

Well, not like stereotypes

[charred panther]

I'd say use any race that are completely and utterly unrelated to the concept and it will be the tie up

[remote wadi]

Something like an Orc and say that the Relentless Endurance fest is just the alcohol kicking in. Something like that

[charred panther]

Like I dunno, aarakocra who has alcohol intolerance and thus always drunk from the smallest amount of cider ever

[still plover]

That I can get behind, but I'm also one who'll say something like: you want the dwarf features but want to look like an orc? Go for it. You come from a clan of rugged stoneworkers or something.

[remote wadi]

Okay, new question

What exactly is a variant human?

[true relic]

Hey um I'm running a campaign for the first time so if anyone can help I would like that a lot

[still plover]

Pop your question in #dm-discussion and we'll see what we can do.

[remote wadi]

Think of it like this. Mountain dwarf, good for melee, bad for the concept of being secluded and rugged (character is relatively cheerful until the inevitable outburst from too many buttons pushed)

[still plover]

Any human that's not using the default feature set. Usually used to represent folk of a specific culture or lineage.

[still plover]

Species isn't personality.

[remote wadi]

Either way, I think I got it narrowed down to 2 options

[still plover]

Progress!

[remote wadi]

Variant Human or Half Orc would be the 2 I'm currently considering the most

[still plover]

2014 rules, huh? No worries. What feat would you pick if you went v.human?

[remote wadi]

That is also 2 good choices. Which i suppose would be fitting for the 2 moods. Mellow and cheerful, Chef. Heavy hitting with a chance of sadism? Slasher

[remote wadi]

Probably better that way. Getting comfortable with 2014 rules

[charred panther]

I used the ultimate advice and talked to my DM about rule of having original of magic item to use Replicate magic item ability that really bothered me

All I achieved was reluctant agreement that it is indeed home rule and not RAW (after a lot of debates and consult with another very experienced DM) and all i can get out of it is some small thing as sorry (so basically nothing since nothing was offered after all).

If anyone has any idea how to have fun with artificer concept in ToA setting as battle smith without any time for crafting and without Replicate item, I really need your help

[olive wasp]

I’m a big fan of skill expert, gives your character a really good use right off the bat

Gives you something your party can count on you for

[prisma mason]

Knuckles the blade bard chef

[halcyon forum]

artificer just doesnt work as a class if you cant make the items

[remote wadi]

I guess the concept of the character for now was that their family was familiar with hunting and had a particular craving for exotic or some would say "forbidden" meats. After a particularly feisty monster, the meat was a little bit addictive and resulted in the whole thing being eaten. Whether it was a curse, disease, or who knows what, the character now has a condition that makes them perpetually drunk (or a constant craving for alcohol, if that would work)

Weapons could be handaxes reflavored either as family heirlooms for hunters or were originally parts of the monster (very loose example would be like if it was a crustacean's claw hand as a gauntlet. Or at the least, weapons the monster used)

[charred panther]

So basically I'm stuck until I change character or DM, since I know for a fact I won't be granted ability to craft anything in the jungle, the game is 90% of the time in the jungle, and I can replicate only things I already have (+ infusion spot and active infusion spot)...

[halcyon forum]

yeah you need to talk to your DM. Either they relent and allow you to play your class as intended, or you need to be able to redo your character or make a new one

like, the crafting isnt super necessary but replicate magic item/infusions are

[charred panther]

I've already talked, they believed their interpretation was RAW and it took a lot to convince them otherwise, so now its home rule and thats it

I have all other infusions besides Replicate magic item (at least)

[halcyon forum]

ah okay that is important info. i thought this might be a 2024 artificer

so you can do other infusions, then its not too bad

not a great house rule by any means but its still a functional character

[charred panther]

Nah, it's 2014 at least

I'm glad we didn't go into 2024 because his thought process about it the same, it just would be even worse for me

So now I'm trying to invent some way to have at least some fun as an inventor character without ability to craft anything or "invent" things on the fly at every level up

Maybe some common magic item that I can buy and then replicate every day for something powerful/fun to do, or maybe some infusions in 6-th level range are particularly good...

[remote wadi]

I guess here's a tricky question

What module has the most varied and/or extreme enemies? Loose example: if Cthulhu is actually in Call of Cthulhu

Character may be very curious about eating one of the tentacles

[quiet parrot]

My Dm just ghosted our group 😔

[remote wadi]

Oooooh, I know the PERFECT species for the class idea

Red Dragonborn, reflavor the fire breath as them pulling out a torch and lighting the breath

[marble lion]

They cant keep getting away with this

Third dm im reading about in here within 2 weeks

Dont they know the spiderman motto

[glass granite]

I’m really strong and I’m sticky?

[marble lion]

No uncle bens last words

[limber trail]

You can add a fourth, it’s not quite ghosting but a group I used to be a part of and still hold some love for is unfortunately going through something similar

[lyric viper]

It'd be nice if folks could at least say something before leaving. Whether it's "I'm sorry, I thought I'd have the time and energy to commit to this but I don't" or just "I'm not vibing with the game. Rather than try and spend time fixing it. I think it might be better just to call it"

[limber trail]

It’s always a shame to not at least end on a strong note

[lyric viper]

I get why folk ghost. And sometimes it's a protective thing ( I've ghosted a DND DM who I really, really didn't want to risk conflict with) but yeah. Folk are often a lot more understanding than people think and just saying that you're not feeling it anymore is at least some communication.

[limber trail]

I do appreciate that most DMs in my past have at least chosen to let people know when they can’t continue

[glass granite]

I’ve heard of both

[limber trail]

I’ve seen both players and dms ghost on some level

Never as far as just leaving without a word mid campaign but on both sides I’ve seen players and DMs go quiet

[lyric viper]

Unfortunately not uncommon with online games. On online in general. Wish we could influence the culture more just to make it more acceptable to give any sort of communication even if ones mind is already made up they're gonna quit.

[remote wadi]

Question for chat

If someone's profession were to be hunting, tasting, and cooking exotic meats, what would their tool proficiency be? Cook's Utensils are not an answer (already taken from Chef

Probably rulebooks. I was going to say Brewer's Supplies, maybe?

Why not?

Okay, I forgot to give valuable information

They are almost always drunk, often by choice. Think like a "drunken master" type of character

Which, that would make sense if they know of ingredients to make their favorite drink from their original homeland, but isn't very common in an average medieval European setting

Think like an "improvised" rice wine

Yeah, a friend or 2 was helping me out with the character

[fiery perch]

Is there a way to cast spells with items in hand (perform somatic components with both hands occupied) using magic items and without the war caster feat?

[remote wadi]

I made the idea of having it be a Red Dragonborn to do that little alcohol trick where they light the breath on fire

But also have them lie about not being able to do it on their own just so that way they had steady access to alcoholic beverages back then LOL

It's too good of an example for an actual Chaotic Neutral

[still plover]

If one of the items is a spellcasting focus, I think you're okay.

[fiery perch]

It is,

but I can't find any rule stating it I will just ask in #dnd-rules

[still plover]

Material components: "The spellcaster must have a hand free to access them, but it can be the same hand used to perform Somatic components, if any."

[fiery perch]

which part of the book / which book

[still plover]

And it goes on to explain about using a focus instead of mats, etc.

[fiery perch]

PHB spellcasting focuses?

[still plover]

Spellcasting, Components, page 105 in the 5.2.1 SRD.

[fiery perch]

Found it

in the 2024 PHB it's
Chapter 7, Casting spells, Components, Material, Paragraph 1

[remote wadi]

Drunken master all the way. It's also a good touch with the rest of their kit

[glass granite]

Well that begs the question: what is their go-to bar order?

[remote wadi]

The only few things that's missing is a DM to share the books to equip the Chef Feat, making the backstory, and searching for a campaign with a heavy amount of exotic monsters. I can only image their struggle not to see Cthulhu and not think about what the mouth tentacles would taste like...

[remote wadi]

Makes their own. Silver lining, never has to worry about BYOB again

[glass granite]

So they never go to a bar for drinks?

Surely they get lazy once in a while

[remote wadi]

Well, not exactly

[glass granite]

True. Never is quite extreme

[remote wadi]

They could ask fellow bartenders on tip offs for ingredients

[glass granite]

Ooo nice

[remote wadi]

Besides, it is a little hard to look at a midieval European DnD setting and find people who know about or can make rice wine

[glass granite]

Fair lol

What’s their favourite snack to pair with the wine, if any?

[lyric viper]

Ah, D&D has tomatoes, chilli, coffee, potatoes. That's not European.

[remote wadi]

Good question. Haven't thought that far. They might enjoy the jerky in rations, but could be hit or miss

[lyric viper]

Let em have rice.

[glass granite]

RICE

[remote wadi]

Also, I never said that it would be nonexistent. Just uncommon

I mean, beer and wine from grapes would by far be the most common and well known alcoholic beverages

[glass granite]

Favourite hangover meal that’s not more alcohol?

[lyric viper]

Plenty of settings will have regions where rice makes sense to be the staple food. Or corn and maize.

[remote wadi]

That assumes they're not drunk. Try again /hj

[glass granite]

Damn good point/j

[remote wadi]

Exactly

[glass granite]

-# for legal reasons, do not try this at home

[remote wadi]

Goes without saying

Not a drinking guy irl, but a close second to a hangover dish would be a dish you would want to make at 3 in the morning. And that goes to a diner style breakfast, hands down

[glass granite]

Btw before you run this character ask in session zero if anyone has any bad trauma with alcoholism
I assume this is not meant to romanticise alcoholism in any way shape or form, just to add flavour to a character

[remote wadi]

Well, sure

[glass granite]

I just think it’s important to note that is is an issue, so some people with poor past experiences might feel uncomfortable with it

[remote wadi]

Worst case scenario, I can just make smaller changes. Like the fire breath going from totally never needing alcohol to as a neat way of having a portable campfire/stove

And I can keep my character's same craving passion for exotic meats

But thanks for the reminder

[livid owl]

If you DO get the alcoholism O-K, There are actually magic items that straight up buff you whenever you Embibe lol

Researching it again and perhaps buff was the wrong word, but... Amulet of the Drunkard might be something to ask your DM about, lol

[remote wadi]

That could actually be helpful, especially if they can brew their own on the spot

[livid owl]

Yup!

[remote wadi]

And considering the Second Wind, it could be just them tilting it all the way back to get that last drop that's a little stuck

[livid owl]

TRUUE

[remote wadi]

There were a few other ideas I had

Was originally going to go Half Orc or Variant Human, but I thought of Red Dragonborn to do the flame trick people do

[livid owl]

Yesss

[remote wadi]

Friend decided to make it part of them by lying about needing alcohol to actually do it just so they had a small supply on hand

[livid owl]

Oh I love that

[remote wadi]

Peak Chaotic Neutral activities (technically Lawful/Neutral Evil from that, but whatever)

[glass granite]

That friend must be really really smart. And handsome too /j

[remote wadi]

Anyways, almost finished up. Just need the backstory

Oh. And physical appearance

[glass granite]

Red scales with orange and yellow accents near the mouth. If you can’t fireball with a spell, be a fireball in spirit

[remote wadi]

I was going for more human than dragon. Kind of like 80/20 ish

Anyways, I wonder what kind of interactions they would have with a Mountain Dwarf (potential drinking buddy + bludgeoning damage to tenderize the meat)

Or possibly a Lizardfolk who has quite a mew misunderstandings with how others think they'll help (that was NOT what they meant by curing them...)

[glass granite]

Btw Bloodline, maybe this would be better in #character-discussion

Just realised

[remote wadi]

Might have been a little too late-

[glass granite]

A lil?

[hidden spindle]

If you're strictly playing an original '14 Ranger, Tasha is not the default.

[remote wadi]

A little too late, but i got that sorted out

[devout token]

xan someone please share the link to the quick character maker thing?

[severe rampart]

DnD beyond?

[devout token]

the thing where you input species race name ect and it auto generates one

[glass granite]

Auto generates? I’m not sure which one that is

[severe rampart]

yep, that's DnD Beyond

[glass granite]

DnD beyond is the most popular character creator, if that’s what you’re looking for

Hm

[severe rampart]

oh I thought you were talking about the quick build feature in DnD Beyond

[deft pine]

Ran a crit fishing build today. Half orc, champion/berserker. Reckless attack every time. Loads of fun

I think this is gonna be my go to build. I love getting crits

[remote wadi]

Same here. Maybe if I find a campaign with smaller more common fights, I can pull out the Assassin Gloomstalker

[deft pine]

Whats special about that combo? Never seen it used on any of my few runs

[knotty pasture]

Its the classical nova damage build, all your damage is packed into the first 2 turns

[hidden spindle]

'14 Assassin 3/Sorcerer X is good for crit fishing.

[deft pine]

Hmmmm

I dont care if im doing magic or martial. I just love telling my dm "thats a crit btw"

[remote wadi]

2014 rules. Gloomstalker is great for initiative and adding an attack on the first round, Assassin gives advantage on enemies who haven't attacked in the combat yet and guaranteed crits on attacks landed againsg surprised opponents

[remote wadi]

Wait, first 2 turns?

[serene jolt]

I got sad when I saw inflict wounds is a save in 2024. I absolutely loved critting with that one.

But I put it on my 2014 cleric so I can feel that rush again, rofl.

[remote wadi]

Come to think of it, 2024 kind of shafted a lot of high damage options

Sharpshooter, Assassin and Gloomstalker don't get the huge benefits

[nova trellis]

Assasinate is such a one trick pony, how was it nerfed in 2024?!

[serene jolt]

Yeah that's somewhat true. They fixed some things but destroyed others. I don't bother running spiritual weapon or inflict wounds anymore. (Unless I'm a war cleric, then spiritual weapon is fine)

And now my BA on my 2024 cleric is mostly never utilized

[remote wadi]

Extra damage on sneak attack equal to rogue level, first round only vs a guaranteed critical hit on surprised targets, first round only

It's just underwhelming now. Kind of a shame because of how well 2014 Assassin pairs with Death Strike, if you can get to it

[jovial shadow]

It makes sense for balance reasons

[remote wadi]

Not always a good thing, I guess

[teal niche]

Not really, martials are already weaker than casters, they need all the help they can get

[abstract beacon]

Is it worth taking feats instead of stat increases?

I wanna run a war Cleric for my next campaign but I’m uncertain if I should go more spell based or try to balance it out

[hidden spindle]

This depends on a lot of factors like: how long the campaign is, your DM's play style, what you want your character to be able to do.

[still plover]

Generally, I'd say make the first one an ASI or half feat.

[abstract beacon]

He speculated we might reach 15 lvl or a little bit higher by the end, as for what I want to do , I just want to cast spells effectively (mainly supportive wise with a few dmging ones here and there) and be able to hold my ground with melee attacks

I was thinking of picking the weapon master feat so I can use melee more effectively

[wintry merlin]

Random question
What class would fit best if I wanted to make a character who fights via boxing?

[hidden spindle]

There's four good contenders:
Monk, Fighter, Barbarian, Paladin

[wintry merlin]

Monk and fighter i get but how do barbarian and paladin fit?
Don't those use weapons
Axes and Giant slabs of metal that are vaguely sword shaped iirc?

[hidden spindle]

They don't need to use Weapons.

While both Paladin & Ranger (& Fighter) do get access to Unarmed Fighting Style, '24 Paladin can Smite on Unarmed Strikes.

Unless you're playing with '14 rules, its hard to use Smites on Paladins' Unarmed Strikes

[wintry merlin]

I'm not familiar with those.
I mainly consume dnd media for the world building.

[primal forum]

guys i need help lol... 6 bandits + 1 thug against 6 lvl 1 PCs.. is it good?

is it too easy or is it too hard

[hidden spindle]

By the numbers nearly matching the party's number, at a glance, its "balanced". Give me a moment to look at the CR calculations

[primal forum]

thnksss

[umbral girder]

So you can do it way more than before for less damage basically.

[kindred garnet]

depends a lot on battle setup as well. and player abilities. and how deadly the bandits act.

Do the players have any spells to do aoe damage to hit multiple bandits at the same time?
Do the bandits have to spend a round dashing into melee range?
Do the bandits ambush and surprise the players? (initiative in their favor)
Do the bandits focus fire, and take out squishy targets first?
Do the bandits melee strike a downed player to give that player instant 2 failed death saves upping the stakes?

Do the bandits have an ulterior motive or specific objective (steal an item/chest of importance) they would focus on instead of just attacking?

[hidden spindle]

Its considered a "low" difficulty.

The main difficulty comes from the numbers in the enemy side

[vale sage]

Hello 👋

[still plover]

Sure. Use average damage for the attackers so the party can see when they're in trouble (crits do max so 1d6+2 becomes 8), feel free to have some more bandits run in if the first go down too easily or the gang to break and run if appropriate.

[kindred garnet]

also 6 players is very powerful. expect the. to be able to handle more difficult battles because of the pure amount of actions and spells at their disposal.

[hidden spindle]

"Balanced" in terms of action economy.

[wintry merlin]

I forgot to ask this but between these 4 which do you recommend?

[hidden spindle]

If you want some magic & armor, Paladin & Fighter. If you want no magic & more hit points, Barbarian.

Monk is usually recommended whenever Unarmed Fighting is considered but not my go to. Its simplicity in design is... kind of pigeonholed

[kindred garnet]

i had 6 players at lvl 3 (with very good stats and an uncommon magic item each) handle a modified legendary cr 8 death cultist fight, but then again, they managed to delay the regular cultist backup so they only had 1 boss to focus on (and some ritual nonsense)

[coarse ravine]

I mean i personally enjoy observant. Especially if ya can get your hands on comprehend languages/speak with animals etc.

[wintry merlin]

Makes sense and running out of "ki" for attacks could be framed as when a boxer becomes "gassed"

But I am very tempted by the fighter's action surge.

[hidden spindle]

I would say, overextending if placed in (video) game terms but yeah, same concept

[wintry merlin]

May I ask what is Overextending?

[kindred garnet]

if you use 2024 dnd rules, i think most if not all the general feats available at lvl 4 give a +1 to relevant stats amd additional benefits. example: warcaster gives +1 to wisdom/charisma/intelligence and also gives advantage on saving throws to maintain concentration, and allow spell opportunity attack, and remove somatic component of spells (can be wielding sword and shield and cast spells)

[coarse ravine]

"Modified" what did you take away from the monster?

[kindred garnet]

gave it additional legendary actions

[hidden spindle]

Just doing too much and comboing into a terrible situation

[undone rain]

The fact that dnd is older then my literal mother feels so weird

[primal forum]

thank you

[primal forum]

thank you very much.. I think i'll 2 more bandits

[abstract beacon]

Cheers mate

[kindred garnet]

2 more thugs 👀💀 make the players experience fear (hahaha) just kidding….unless…???

[primal forum]

2 more bandits

[kindred garnet]

a bandit riding a wyrmling 😎

[primal forum]

hahaha

[kindred garnet]

“The Wyrmwrangler”

[still plover]

Reinforcements can always come running in from round a corner/ burst from concealment/ out of a doorway.

[kindred garnet]

bandit: “lets kill and loot them quick before the others get here!!” then they can either show up or not, but will definitely make your players sweat, even after the fight is over…

[still plover]

Equally of note, intelligent creatures that lose half their numbers in a fight are very likely to break and run, withdraw in good order or try to negotiate terms.

[hidden spindle]

Iirc, works too with eliminating their leader

[kindred garnet]

maybe their leader was a tyrant commanding through fear, maybe they will thank you for killing them :p

[vernal owl]

guys how can i make a drakewarden more useful 😔 my guy barely does anything important during combat and gets dogged immediately when an enemy locks on to me

[hidden spindle]

You can fly

[serene jolt]

At level 10 🤣

[still plover]

"He was a jerk and we hated him. Let us cart our mates off to the healer and we'll call it quits, alright?"

[vernal owl]

we're level 3 rn

[serene jolt]

What's your build looking like right now?

[primal forum]

I LOVE THIS VERY MUCH THANK YOU.. i'm currently dming them now.. all of them are beginners to dnd and this is my first dm lol

[eager marsh]

Dogged mediated when locked on in the case for anyone that isn’t sitting on 18+ ac at low levels

[kindred garnet]

glad to help, have fun! and better to keep things flowing instead of taking long pauses to look up rule clarifications. do it after the fight for next time! 🙂

[hidden spindle]

Technically lv7 via Grappling

[vernal owl]

idk how to list builds for dnd but he has +3 to dex and +2 to wisdom/con
he uses a shortbow, and has ensnaring strike fog clous and entangle

[serene jolt]

Yeah unless the DM is like "no"

[serene jolt]

Alright so zephyr strike, especially if you're being targeted often, will be your bread and butter. Keep your distance, keep your dragon either near you or near an ally.

Are you 2014?

And what's your ac looking like?

[hidden spindle]

You could bring up half cover rules