dnd-discussion

[white eagle]

That's when you just get a 10 feet pole and poke her if she gets to close.

[gray garden]

And she has tactical discipline with gives her advantage on all saving throws in combat

[fossil hollow]

ive thrown harder than that at level 6 :v.

My last fight with my level 6 party literally was facing off a CR 12 Cloud Giant plus adds and killed them easily

[gray garden]

I just felt like maybe I was being to harsh but maybe I’m not I guess

[woven flint]

We destroyed them 🔥

[fossil hollow]

Not even one person on the player side got downed

[woven flint]

I'm just the best healer is why 💕

[fossil hollow]

Paralyzed and Stunned sure, but the barb survived

[gray garden]

Maybe it’s the numbers advantage.. but for the enemies I use there base int instead so the players almost always go first

[white eagle]

I personally don't stress about CR or power level to much because I don't run encounters that are slugfests. Ever encounter always have multiple ways to avoid it, get around or overcome it and rarely is the answer this pile of hit points vs that pile of hit points.

[gray garden]

Also the amount of people I had to explain to “you can’t use two spell slots in one turn” hurts me physically and mentally

[shy stirrup]

Really...?

[gray garden]

Really

I think it’s around number 9 tthis tine

[lilac kelp]

Considered ordering the DM guide from our main nerd-shop and it's sold out! Seems like D&D is having another surge in popularity. 🔥

[gray garden]

I don’t want a lot for Christmas

[white eagle]

I feel this when explaining multiclassing to people

[naive cedar]

it amazes me how little ppl know about dnd tbh

[woven flint]

You can only cast more than one spell if one of the spells is from a magic item or a feature that doesnt use them, therefore not using a spellslot (but also if action economy allows lol)

[gray garden]

It pisses me off when they think they are 100% right through 😭

Like one time a Cleric 2024 used hallow to give an enemy vulnerability and I had to tell him that it’s an aura of effect

[halcyon forum]

to be fair that is a fairly new rule

[shy stirrup]

I don't suppose you're deliberately running games for new players

[tulip flax]

how do i find a party

[gray garden]

I try not too

[white eagle]

1st level or above.

[woven flint]

What?

[gray garden]

It’s been a rule in 2014 as wellish as well aka the only thing that can bypass it was action surge

Or casting a spell outside of your own turn

Via counter spell or shield

[tulip flax]

#find-a-game

[woven flint]

Oh, I don't consider cantrips true spells as they aren't leveled 🧐
Silly little palor tricks, they are!

[gray garden]

Kinda yeah

[glass granite]

Ah, the Eldritch blast parlor trick
An oddly deadly parlor trick, eh?

[white eagle]

Tell that to my wife's guidance

[halcyon forum]

you can cast up to 3 spells with a spellslot in 1 turn in 2014 is my point because its not a rule there. the original bonus action rule is pretty unintuitive and hard to explain though, thats is true

[woven flint]

I do love Shocking Grasp, it's my favorite cantrip

[naive cedar]

the humble eldritch blast wins once again

[woven flint]

I fried a Hobgoblins brain with a Crit shocking grasp, and I was happy :>

[gray garden]

..how?

It literally is a rule

[white eagle]

My wife's rogue tabaxi with boots of haste had shocking grasp and would zip over to enemies shock them and then zip away.

[halcyon forum]

action surge and reaction (like you cast shield or counterspell a counterspell, or cast silvery barbs if your spell fails)

[shy stirrup]

Hot take:
Light should not be a Cantrip.
It should be a Level 1 Spell.

[gray garden]

The torch in my hand:

[white eagle]

Older editions it was

[glass granite]

Wow I disagree
Why?

[halcyon forum]

the rule is that you cant cast spells with a spell slot if you are casting a spell as bonus action

[shy stirrup]

I was there, Gandalf...

[white eagle]

I miss the flare cantrip/spell

[glass granite]

It’s just light, no?

[gray garden]

Oh then yeah but that’s still using an action surge which only fighters get

[halcyon forum]

bonus action spells dont have anything to do with action surge

[gray garden]

Muticlassing isn’t as good for spell casters

[white eagle]

Action surge is still a feature not the base spellcasting rule.

[gray garden]

Cause then you have to have a 13 in your dex or str

[glass granite]

Aren’t fighter and artificer dips fairly common for wizards?

[shy stirrup]

Whoops, you ran out of torches, 10 levels down...

[stuck shuttle]

Most casters want that kind of Dex at the very least

[gray garden]

Warlocks clerics paladins:

[halcyon forum]

everyone wants 14 dex anyway, and fighter 2 is super common and strong on casters

[white eagle]

Idk never tried it but it sounds like it would taste awful.

[gray garden]

You’d also be behind on your asking

[glass granite]

Sorcadins, hexadins and sorlocks are also a thing no?

[naive cedar]

what would fighter flavoured dip taste like

[gray garden]

I forgot about sorcerers

[stuck shuttle]

Triple blended triple distilled sorhexadin

[glass granite]

Bloody

[gray garden]

Basic as FUUUUUrick

[woven flint]

Multi-classing is the COWARDS way!
Embrace your weaknesses and use your strengths to overcome!
RAAAGHHH

[gray garden]

Your effects are meaningless..

[glass granite]

I just punch things

[white eagle]

Anyone else remember the online trend of wanting to multiclass into the same class?

[woven flint]

I kick things, we are not the same

[glass granite]

I don’t

[gray garden]

Mind

[glass granite]

You can’t grapple with kicks tho

[naive cedar]

i dont multiclass bc i like just basing my character after a specific class/subclass

[stuck shuttle]

Oh lord that reminds me of this one blog post I read that claimed you could do that RAW

[gray garden]

says who

[stuck shuttle]

Gave me a headache

[glass granite]

Don’t you need a free hand?

[woven flint]

Watch
I'll grapple you with my big toe

[white eagle]

There are a lot of blogs like that lol

[gray garden]

Use your legs 🗣️

[woven flint]

I'm a dancer and YOU are the pole
-My Monks, probably

[white eagle]

Like how with the phrasing of Druids circle spells you can actually gain access to any spell list in the game via RAW.

[stuck shuttle]

It’s a fun dive seeing the distinction between actual 5e “tech” and those that think they have 5e “tech”

[vast pelican]

Don't mess with D&D players, we don't even know how to play our game.

[upper lintel]

Druid are so awesome in dnd the amount of power they can get is godly

[gray garden]

I made like 4 monk characters and my first dm called me a “crazed fister”

[woven flint]

The humble wizard:

[white eagle]

Not unless a DM gets a rule wrong or someone at the table is playing their character wrong.

[woven flint]

What? The crazed fister is just my title because I merely exist!

[gray garden]

Idk I loved the fact that moon Druid could turn an elemental

[tidal bough]

Merry Chrysler from nz everyone

[shy stirrup]

You're from the future!

[naive cedar]

merry almost christmas from canada

[tidal bough]

Indeed, nothing bad has happened yet, but i cant tell you if it does or it may break the timeline and cause it to splinter

[shy stirrup]

Hrm ok seems legit

[rugged hawk]

We will accept the gift of no new things to add to the Geneva Convention, thanks.

[hushed mason]

It's been snowing here all day.

[glass granite]

I haven’t seen snow not on a mountain.

[naive cedar]

lucky lol. its supposed to snow here tomorrow a bit

[tidal bough]

The Geneva suggestions could always have more things added

[upper lintel]

Its warm here today which is odd cause usually cool this time of year

[upper lintel]

[hushed mason]

It's very wet, fluffy snow.

[hot marlin]

People keep joking about Geneva suggestions and the likes, but honestly, I think it's worth it to play a character that actually abides by those rules

In fact I would think it should be the norm. For a long time, the TTRPG community got very complacent regarding torture as a means of extracting information

[meager fractal]

How do monks play in 5e?

[upper lintel]

The legend of vox machina is so good kayleth the druid is becoming op my favorite character number 1 I think

[glass granite]

Very well. We punch stuff, kick stuff, grapple stuff, knock stuff prone, stun stuff and punch stuff

[hot marlin]

For your action, you attack. Then decide if you use your bonus action to dodge, disengage, dash or attack again. Decide how and where you move, use your superior movement speed to position yourself at will.

[glass granite]

All possible in one turn

[hot marlin]

Your high dex and high mobility means you get good use out of stealth too so use that

[remote wadi]

Even better one I heard of

An all Cleric team that called themselves the A-Men

[hot marlin]

Often, you don't want to use your reaction on an attack of opportunity, it's better to save it for a deflect or for a fall

If possible, try to fall on your enemies, use your slow fall to take no damage. With just a bit of movement and a reaction, you knocked them prone, no save, and you dealt a bit of damage

Your stunning strike is the best concentration breaker of the game, use it wisely

[remote wadi]

Oh, no...

[serene jolt]

Stunning strike also makes or breaks an encounter. Try to use it tactically if you can. Our monk used it on a "boss" and that helped us not get ripped apart by his high damage abilities, and I was able to grapple him without a save and hold him away from the team so they could kill him from afar.

[remote wadi]

Could you imagine a (Barb or Fighter)/Monk combo that focused on wrestling?

[serene jolt]

It was pretty fun. Stunning strike, while not spammable in 2024 anymore, is super useful low-mid game.

[hot marlin]

In 2014, where stunning strike can be spammed, it's also the best legendary resistance burner of the game

[glass granite]

You only need pure monk or pure barb for that

[remote wadi]

Perhaps, but it would be fun to see

[serene jolt]

If you go pure monk, you can use dex to grapple

[glass granite]

That it would be!

[remote wadi]

Wait...

[serene jolt]

Dex should be one of your highest stats anyways so it's pretty scary

[glass granite]

Also, depends on if you’re using 2014 or 2024 grappling

[rough basalt]

It got rightfully nerfed but good thing it wasn't nerfed too hard

And reason it got nerfed is cause Monk as a whole is a lot stronger and doesn't need the crutch

[hot marlin]

In 2014, monk is not a good grappler. It's passable but that's not how you should use your resources

[hushed mason]

Touch attack. Opposed grapple check. Done.

[rough basalt]

2024 Monk is a grappling nightmare

[glass granite]

And I love it

[serene jolt]

Grappler Feat as well

[glass granite]

Got hella buffed

[remote wadi]

2 monks being shot up into the air

They're getting ready to leave more than a mark with this special move. The mother of all moves. The Flying Double Decker Atomic Headbutt of Destruction... with a spin!

[serene jolt]

Oh God. Unarmed strikes trigger a grapple, no movement restriction, AND adv? Gods almighty.

[remote wadi]

Props to the ones who know

[serene jolt]

Have that and pick a winged species. Man, RIP mediums+smalls. (Or larges if you can manage to get enlarged)

But even half movement monk is terrifying

[glass granite]

Remember you can dash as a BA!

[hot marlin]

If you can fly, then grapple someone, fly as high as you can, drop them, then fall on them.

[serene jolt]

And your movement speed is amazing

[glass granite]

I do this with Ascendant Dragon monks!

[remote wadi]

Monks are probably the unsung hero of DnD. Not the ones that everyone gushes about, but will rock your crap if underestimated. Especially when monks are numerous

[glass granite]

They’re also really good against casters, especially shadow monk

[serene jolt]

A DM put my level 20 2024 Kensei Monk Dragonborn against a Tarrasque once and I was like "Hold my beer" 🤣

[rough basalt]

Maybe I'll play a Monk as my next pc

[glass granite]

Monks are my main, I love them

[serene jolt]

I still main Artificer, Druid, or Cleric but man... Monks are always super fun to play and watch.

[jovial shadow]

Monks are cool. Especially depending on the subclass you take.

[past drum]

Anybody loves fantasy and military at the same time and often finds this contradicting, forcing myself to either love one of them🫣

[glass granite]

I like all monk subclasses except four elements

[remote wadi]

Yeah, it's a (near) unarmed class done right

[burnt valley]

Open Hand Kenshiro monk

[burnt valley]

Did you win solo

[glass granite]

My favourite build for monk is actually a ranger dip, a lot of it for weapon masteries. And spells. And hunters mark ig.

[serene jolt]

I feel like I could have if I wanted to, but it was a party vs Tarrasque fight. The entire party was eaten except for me. 🤣

Kensei is super fun though. It's my favorite monk subclass. I'm very biased.

[glass granite]

Hi very biased, I am too

[burnt valley]

Hunter's Mark does not exist

[jovial shadow]

Yeah if I was certain a DM wouldn't take us to 20th level, I'd take a dip into Fighter, Ranger or Barbarian for the Rage resistance

[glass granite]

My fav one is probably Elemental Warrior

[rough basalt]

Hunters Mark, also known as Peak spell

[serene jolt]

I feel like a Ranger dip with Kensei monk would be super dope though. I hope Kensei gets weapon masteries.

[glass granite]

Fighter dip?

[glass granite]

Me tooooo

[rough basalt]

I suspect it will

[naive cedar]

you misspelled fireball

[serene jolt]

I don't get the love for Hunters Mark as someone who plays a Ranger.

So many other classes just get better concentration spells and I don't understand xD

[glass granite]

It’s good if you can get a lot of attacks
-# aka monks

Sadge that the bonus action economy sucks tho for monk/rangers

[serene jolt]

I still think Ranger should, by level 10, be able to use HM without concentration if they concentrate on a spell in the Ranger spelllist.

I think that'd just make Ranger a little more worth. But that's just my opinion.

[jovial shadow]

Otherwise if the DM said we were going to 20th level, then no dips. I'll keep taking ASI's and then the 20th level capstone for the +4 bonuses to Dex and Wisd.

[glass granite]

Same, monks just wants their stats so much

[rough basalt]

I think the designers said they originally planned for HM to be concless but it was pretty powerful

[serene jolt]

If you give it to other classes, yeah.

If you make it JUST a ranger thing and only allow them to conc on other ranger spells, it makes it less powerful but worth being a "ranger thing".

Or give HM more bonuses or something. Like scale up better in damage or give it something extra like "creatures cannot benefit from invisibility from you".

Like anything other than just a flat 1d6 xD (and adv on tracking the creature which is super, super niche)

[glass granite]

Tbh I’d just prefer they also buff other parts of Ranger apart from hunters mark too

[serene jolt]

Yeah. Like the 20 capstone is laughable.

[burnt valley]

I keep hearing about this Hunter's Mark but couldn't find it anywhere

[serene jolt]

Are you serious or messing around?

[rough basalt]

It's boring but effective.

[fallow pond]

Do we know when we’re gonna get the Horror subclasses? More specifically Hexblade? I know we had a playtest or 2 but idk if they have made announcements about it yet

[rough basalt]

Nope

[serene jolt]

It's slightly affecting. Not enough to feel like I'm doing insane damage compared to everyone else.

[glass granite]

Have you completed every part of the Hunter’s Journal?

[rough basalt]

They haven't announced anything for 2026

[serene jolt]

I'm excited for so many subclasses in that book

Like the Ranger one (ironically) and the Artificer one.

[rough basalt]

But if the UA means anything
We're probably getting a Ravenloft book 2, and Dark Sun setting guide

[shy stirrup]

So a question for @Nugget and the other Monk appreciators, while I can personally see the appeal, why do you think it's the 2nd least popular class in the game (according to D&D Beyond, 2023 stats)?

[jovial shadow]

If Hasbro's numbers keep falling, there won't be a 2026 to look forward to

[unkempt roost]

All you need is a mace and a prayer

[rough basalt]

Because that was in 2023

[shy stirrup]

So with 2024, you'd expect to see that change in the 25-26 stats?

[burnt valley]

Mayhaps

[jovial shadow]

You are behind the times.

[rough basalt]

Yep, 2014 Monk was pretty weak compared to its 2024 successor

[shy stirrup]

In more ways than one

[rough basalt]

And a lot of people don't like feeling weak.

[shy stirrup]

True, ppl like stronk

[glass granite]

Probably because they don’t multiclass well, were relatively weaker before 2024, are MAD’er than other classes, are harder to write backstories for than some other classes, don’t have magic, have an odd niche between damage dealer, tank and caster, as well as just not a lot of stuff promoting the class online

[jovial shadow]

I don't think 2014 Monk was weak, the cost of Ki points to basic stuff was ridiculous

[rough basalt]

It was weak compared to other martial options

And notably relied on a crutch ability to be noticeably effective for most players

And yeah the MADness and whatnot

[glass granite]

They weren’t weak, but they just couldn’t be strong for long

[rough basalt]

Also a lot of dnd players just stick to Fighter, Cleric, Wizard or Paladin.

[hot marlin]

Let's not forget that thematically monks kind of belong to another genre

[scenic zinc]

Did someone say my name?

https://www.dndbeyond.com/characters/122279161

@fossil hollow

[hot marlin]

Well, they are inspired by another genre.

[shy stirrup]

Ah, the Cursed One appears again

[rough basalt]

What an amazing character

[limber trail]

2024 Monks changing it to focus points is a change I very much like because it opens them up to other genres a bit more and makes them a bit less specific

[scenic zinc]

I need to make a '24 version now that artificer is out

[rough basalt]

Oh yeah I forgot to get the new eberron book

Guess my players gotta stick to '14 Arti for a little while

Not that I've ever had anyone pick an artificer

[buoyant oar]

Artificer is the class that everyone asks for but nobody plays

[jovial shadow]

I don't ask for it, so I guess I am not everyone. lol

[crimson gulch]

i get a lot of artificers in my games, i have 6 of them across 9 games right now

[rough basalt]

I don't think I've had a Bard in awhile either

[jovial shadow]

I think that was the point was to bring away from the Eastern and somewhat stereotypical trope to something more neutral. Monks and their monasteries exists in the West as well, albeit minus the practice of martial arts.

[buoyant oar]

Urizt. I know this is like your job and your lifeblood every time you type. I see the number of games that you're running going up and I am fearful of the dreaded burnout post

[rough basalt]

I think that'd apply to most

[jovial shadow]

I actually liked Discipline Points for Monks, in the UA. But they stuck with Focus Points.

[rough basalt]

But Urizt harnesses his life force from his games

Every dead PC is one more year to his lifespan

[buoyant oar]

I do too. Maybe it's perhaps that one of the games is a West marches that's like sucking all of my soul.

[rough basalt]

I've tried running more than 1 game a week but I always collapse

[serene jolt]

As an Artificer main and pretty much the only artificer in almost all my campaigns and westmarches, it's mainly because 2014 artificer feels so weak early level and people outshine you for so long, that you get frustrated or bored of being weak.

2024 artificer, on the other hand, looks promising and I'm giving it a good ol' shot once I can. I'm waiting on one of my characters to reach level 9 on a Westmarch so I can make him.

But I've played multiple artificers, multiple subclasses, and I love the theme but I always felt so extremely behind everyone else. I felt like "that one NPC in the background".

[crimson gulch]

I really do appreciate the concern. but the games are my play after i deal with the real hard labour of life

and i dont work on them like you do, i just play them

[unkempt roost]

Every other week is the secret perfect schedule

[serene jolt]

Every week has been my most successful.

[crimson gulch]

this is actually very true

[buoyant oar]

I mean I just play my games too. I may put a lot of effort into them but I don't consider my games work

[serene jolt]

We are on session 16 and still going strong. Most sessions I've ever had in one campaign before.

[hushed mason]

I aim for 3 weeks / 4.

[rough basalt]

I consider mine work sometimes

But mainly I'm just lazy

[crimson gulch]

you use foundry, and VTT work is my bane, so its a perspective thing

[serene jolt]

Bi-weekly or monthly, people tend to forget or schedule something over it. Or lose motivation. Weekly, you can go every week. You can skip a week once in a while. But everyone knows that Sunday is game day. So no one forgets, no one schedules over it, and no one loses motivation.

[flat niche]

Merry Christmas lad! I got some opal crystal dice this Christmas!

How about you all?

[shy stirrup]

DM burnout is a serious condition, see your doctor today if you suspect you may be suffering from it

[rough basalt]

Some dnd books

[serene jolt]

I am too old and don't get gifts often anymore.

[buoyant oar]

Fair enough. Mines are high effort. High reward. Especially for my paid players. But I think I'm tapping out of the West Marches game after I finish this one. After two of them I think I'm getting too old for it

[flat niche]

Nice!

[glass granite]

I will say tho, while weekly is fun, when an especially busy week pops up the DM (in this case, me) can get some pretty harsh burn-out

Idk why, but I get the burn out fairly easily specifically for dnd

[serene jolt]

But I'm happy for y'all! I bought myself the new Artificer book this year.

[glass granite]

DICE

[flat niche]

Ayyy nice!

[rough basalt]

I got Strixhaven, and some 3rd party books

[glass granite]

Shoutout to my plane nerd friend

[serene jolt]

That's where "you can skip a week once in a while" comes in. It helps get you back on track and if you cancel, there are still 2-3 sessions that month.

[buoyant oar]

Blessed be the third parties

[serene jolt]

I also bought myself a $3 mini of my spiritual weapon 🤣

[rough basalt]

I don't remember 100% what I got

[haughty viper]

"Everything you do with love it turns into magic. Become the greatest wizard of your craft."

[flat niche]

Happy Christmas lad! Tbh i always kinda want to get into artificers later down the line.

[glass granite]

I find it hard to tell my players I can’t do it tho 😭 . I remember I went to a session once and had a 38.6•C fever

One of my less proud decisions

[serene jolt]

Happy Yuletide! I'm praying that the new Artificer is a lot of fun.

[serene jolt]

Then that sounds like something you should work on! Work on saying no when you're not feeling it. It's healthy and good for you.

[scenic zinc]

I have played plenty of them and have plenty of players that have played them.

[flat niche]

I pray that you role very high in the future lad, good luck!

[serene jolt]

But the new Artificer, now we can store a TON of spells. I'm so excited to spam fireball.

[flat niche]

Oh shit fr?

That's cool

[serene jolt]

For real! Up to level 3 slots. So you can also store up some hastes, shields, etc.

Pretty frickin awesome. But super dependent on your subclass spell list

I bet you can be quite a heal bot with Alchemist with that ability alone too.

[flat niche]

That's awesome, once am finished with my sorcerer i nerd to check out that class.

[pallid haven]

quick question can an artificer build a turret (sentry)?

[flat niche]

WHY DID I SAY NERD AND NOT NEED WTF

[crimson gulch]

mine are very high effort as well, but that goes into the preformance and not the digital presentation

to each their own, theres so many great ways to deliver on this game

[glass granite]

Play an artillerist, they have it as part of their class feature

[flat niche]

Jeez i need to turn off auto correct on my phone XD

[undone fable]

opinion: rangers are actually better than fighters. I think they should have had better implimented features in both 5e versions.

this is popular right?

[crimson gulch]

a resources sheet is prepared for each session on notebook paper generally

[jovial shadow]

I always thought Rangers were interesting. I had considered playing one for AD&D, but you didn't get your spells until 9th level.

[serene jolt]

I use DnDBeyond but as a strict policy of physical resources, I'd recommend getting a notebook and filling in your spells. Name it "Spell Book". I've been considering doing that with my Cleric, funny enough. So I'm not as reliant on tech.

[pallid haven]

is it fine if i used a simplified character sheet instead?

[glass granite]

How simplified are we talking?

[pallid haven]

that is not too much going on

like a kid can understand

[glass granite]

Why not just use a regular sheet? To simplify it you need to know what’s important anyway

[hushed mason]

Character sheet + PHB. Do you people not get physical books?

[pallid haven]

no

[hushed mason]

Tablet, then?

[crimson gulch]

yeah go for it, i have many players that just have notebooks they track everything in

[stuck shuttle]

The formatting doesn’t truly matter as long as you can easily access all the necessary information

Which of course the normal sheet tries to do, but I’ve seen players have equal success porting a sheet over to excel or even Google docs

[worldly flare]

Did you know that at maximum efficiency you can craft a level 1 spell scroll in either 13 or 6 seconds depending on if it counts as a magic item?

[high vine]

I'm thinking of giving a player an racial ability of "limited" blindsight but I'm worried about its balance.. Basically I was thinking it could be that they have to close their eyes to be able to see 10feet around them in blindsight. OR that they can only sense people who are invisible within 10 feet of them but I think that would be too limiting. What do you guys think?

[eager marsh]

There's just a fighting style for 10 ft blindsight. And a feat to give that and some extra stuff

[upper lintel]

Mighty nein is a pretty good show to

[errant bramble]

I think that would be fine, as long as they didn’t have other crazy racial abilities with it.

Some of the book species have pretty crazy racial abilities

[scenic zinc]

Campaign 2 was great

[high vine]

I forgot about that fighting style. So maybe it wouldn't be as broken

[high vine]

Yeah namely Goliaths lol Anakocra to I think

[errant bramble]

Warforged just get plus one to ac

[high vine]

I was also going to give them the choice of choosing between blindsight or a psionic ability like charm or a fear ability so they can make a ranged/spellcaster class work too

[errant bramble]

And Thr-Kreen get Adv on stealth check, plus passive mags armor.

[high vine]

Passive mag armor is crazy lol

[errant bramble]

Draconic bloodlines sorcerer also get it I believe.

[high vine]

Class features aren't as bad as passive racial features though I guess

[errant bramble]

Most book species that add abilities like that, limit the free uses to whatever prof bonus is per long rest.

[high vine]

That's a good point. I usually end up just giving a static 1-2 uses just to make "programming" it in DnDBeyond easier

[errant bramble]

They can usually use spell slots to cast them more though. What ever size the regular spell uses.

Not saying you have to do the same thing, just throwing out examples of stuff already in the books.

[high vine]

I like the idea of upcasting with a spell slot at least

Ooo I just thought of something. I could make it so they have the option of being more humanoid in appearance or be more snakelike in appearance and each choice has a couple different features . Like each choice can use hypnotic gaze but the humanoid gets like blindsight or something and the snake form gets increased grapple abilities with their snake tail

[lilac kelp]

If I was to get a DM guide book, do you guys recommend '12 or '24 5e..? Or is it just compleeeetely subjective?

[high vine]

I prefer 2012 (2014?) core rules but that's just what I learned dnd on. I think 2024 can be a bit more confusing because it adds more features

Like weapon mastery

[glass granite]

Idk, I prefer 2024

[lilac kelp]

Hmhh, okie.

[glass granite]

The classes feel stronger on their own

And weapon masteries is one thing, and that also gives martials more things to build around.

[high vine]

Yeah my preference is def subjective. I feel like 2024 makes things harder for me to balance with weapon mastery and a free feat at level 1. But maybe if I got used to it

[burnt valley]

Most campaigns start at Lvl 4 or 5

[glass granite]

They do? I start mine level 2

[high vine]

I do a lot of 1-3

[lilac kelp]

Because '12 is out of stock at the store I'd prefer to use, so '24 would just be easier to get a hold of.. I just wanted a little temperature test on it, so I'm not making a huge mistake like. "No! We hate '24 5e!" or whatever. xD

[glass granite]

Though I play with beginners

[glass granite]

There isn’t a 2012 rules btw, it’s 2014 and 2024

[high vine]

Me too atm plus I really like starting with a baby character and raising them

[lilac kelp]

Oh, sorry. 14.

I mixed up the numbers a tad. xD

[glass granite]

Both are good, but the future content is gonna be 2024 so I recommend that

[errant bramble]

Lvl 1 start is also my preferred.

[lilac kelp]

Okay that makes sense to me too. Thank you!

[high vine]

I can't wait to put my new players into a level 1 session lol I've had them ply level 3 and level 5 (they were NOT rdy for lvl 5 lol)

[burnt valley]

Lvl 1? 💀

[high vine]

Yeah when even a twisted ankle is deadly lol

[errant bramble]

Yes, the superior starting level.

[zinc imp]

If i wanted to be a DM like because I've never done it what adventure would be best?

[errant bramble]

[errant bramble]

Probably a pre written one.

[burnt valley]

Its too close to mundane for me

[shy stirrup]

Either a published one-shot, or one of the Starter Set modules, like Lost Mines of Phandelver

[zinc imp]

Thanks

[high vine]

I recommend a preeritten for sure. I'm actually working Dragons of Storm Wrdck Isle atm and it's gonna be super fun

[errant bramble]

Everyone has their preferences.

[high vine]

It's a short 5 or so session campaign with lots of stuff online to help you suploment it

[burnt valley]

Tomb of Horrors

[high vine]

The base module has great bones but I def recommend watching videos about how to fix it if you run it. Some things don't really make sense. || like he bbeg sleeing when your players you enter their lair.. and before a ritual too.. doesn't make much sense ||

[errant bramble]

Lemme know if you decide to
Host. I’d be interested in playing, depending on the days.

[high vine]

Erased until I figure out how to spoil filter lol not really a spoiler but just to be safe

[errant bramble]

I think it’s just || || || || around the spoiler.

Well that didn’t work.

[lilac kelp]

|| text ||

[errant bramble]

Yeah that

[high vine]

I appreciate the effort lol and thx Tribute

[lilac kelp]

(You can use \ before the character to escape the formatting. I.e \|)

[rough basalt]

Level 1 is peak

[burnt valley]

What makes Lvl 1 peak

[unkempt roost]

Most tpks happen at this level

[rough basalt]

I haven't seen a PC die at level 1 legitimately.

[errant bramble]

It’s just more fun growing your character? Idk, what makes your preferred starting level peak?

It’s all preference.

[unkempt roost]

"Let's go rob the captain of the guard"

[rough basalt]

Only level 1 PC I've seen killed was due to the DM intentionally killing them

With an intentionally bad encounter

[unkempt roost]

I've seen groups occasionally do some silly level 1 tpks but for fun

[errant bramble]

I mean, that’s their fault at that point.

[lilac kelp]

I saw someone who did level 0 starts, and had a thingy where the players were granted their powers to become level 1. That was a pretty cute idea.

Well, A level 0 start*

[errant bramble]

That sounds fun actually.

First level up after killing a somewhat large rat, is choosing your first class.

[rough basalt]

This case the DM wanted to "embody his idol Lord Gygax and kill helpless adventurers"

And sent 11 Zombies at 4 level 1s

Was my first combat of 5e

[errant bramble]

I would totally be down to run a campaign of just normal people. Can choose stats, and race, but essentially lvl 0. Trying to navigate the world.

[burnt valley]

Call of Cthulhu but without the Cthulhu

[glass granite]

Call of

[errant bramble]

? There would still be gods and monsters, the party would just be normal people though.

[knotty basin]

So how do they not get one-shot

[rough basalt]

Then they die to the first thing they come across

[unkempt roost]

Crime noir one shot

[errant bramble]

How does every other normal person in existence be alive?

[glass granite]

By not adventuring

[burnt valley]

Dungeon and Dragons but no dungeons (and dragons)

[errant bramble]

Fair, lol.

[rough basalt]

Sorry kiddos but the murderer is a Bhaalist, he frightens you all with his aura of murder then uses his 4 multiattack to instakill you all

[undone fable]

whats crime noir?

[unkempt roost]

Roll to plant a potato

[burnt valley]

And is one of the most ttrpg of all time

[undone fable]

for dnd purposes

[rough basalt]

DnD but you work a 9 to 5

[errant bramble]

Maybe they get an adventurer companion. Not everyone can be the chosen of a deity, lol.

[lilac kelp]

And occasionally give information to "adventurers". :3

[burnt valley]

Roll to hit the soil

[unkempt roost]

Like gritty 1930s detectives think black and white, always raining saxophone music

[errant bramble]

Smart play kind of campaign. Manipulating events and being careful.

[rough basalt]

How are yall gonna afford an adventurer that's powerful enough to protect you

[knotty basin]

Have the DMPC do all the fighting while the party just sits back and watches

[rough basalt]

What are peasants gonna manipulate? Food carts?

[errant bramble]

I’m just throwing out ideas.

[unkempt roost]

So normal dnd

[lilac kelp]

Get yourself in trouble and become a quest.

[burnt valley]

People be literally doing anything but play a different ttrpg when they want these sort of things

[errant bramble]

I can see my ideas are not wanted, lol.

[undone fable]

oh I love crime noir!

[burnt valley]

Playing as victims 😭

[lilac kelp]

Adventurers love quests.

[burnt valley]

Ture

[undone fable]

I think there should be more crime noir in dnd

[errant bramble]

Bad guys isnt going to expect a random person to slip poison in his food. Regular people can still do rituals.

[unkempt roost]

I always play a character named Joe "Slick" McSqueazy

[errant bramble]

Lots of directions you could go.

[rough basalt]

Bad guys aren't gonna let random strangers near them

One if you're lucky

[errant bramble]

Who cooks the evil nobles food?

[knotty basin]

Not randos off the streets

[rough basalt]

The chef, then someone trustworthy delivers the food, then a food taster to make sure that trustworthy deliverer or chef didn't turncoat

[errant bramble]

Right, which is why you would get hired. You’d be playing as conmen and assassins most of the time.

[lilac kelp]

Randos off the streets are just friends you haven't met yet.

[rough basalt]

Nobles probably aren't gonna hire randos off the street either

[unkempt roost]

Randoms off the street are just statblocks

[rough basalt]

You gonna need to work years. Pull yourself up by your beltbuckle

Then if you do something wrong, the noble instantly kills you, just as the founding fathers intended

[errant bramble]

Which is why you pretend to be a high class chef, or whatever. How do people infiltrate things in real life? There are ways to do it. You can’t just say nothing will work.

[rough basalt]

I'm saying that DnD is a high fantasy combat centric system where it assumes even in intrigue that you're capable of defending yourself.

[unkempt roost]

Player characters are considered paragons in dnd

[errant bramble]

Right, I’m not talking about normal DnD. I’m very obviously talking about a heavy homebrew.

[rough basalt]

Better off just playing an agnostic system

[unkempt roost]

They're stronger and more skilled than your typical level 0 npc

[rough basalt]

Since normal npcs in dnd are basically cannon fodder

[burnt valley]

Play a different system

[errant bramble]

That’s the point of the game I’m describing.

Everyone is stronger than you, and you can’t win by force.

That’s the point.

[lilac kelp]

Could be like a.. isekai groundhog day situation.

[rough basalt]

Yeah and that's better for a generic fantasy system rather than something that's corely built around being not normal.

[errant bramble]

Which is why I said it was a homebrew.

[cursive swan]

What character level is a cr 8 ?

[unkempt roost]

Tbf DND rules are pretty flexible

[glass granite]

None

[rough basalt]

To a degree

[glass granite]

CR is not a metric for character levels

[errant bramble]

I feel like you’re being intentionally difficult, so imma just stop talking about this idea.

[keen kestrel]

unofficially, cr is like the level a full balanced party of 4 could challenge with a little bit of difficulty

[jovial shadow]

CR does equate to character levels when it comes to shapechange and the like

[rough basalt]

That's just how those spells work for simplicity sake

[glass granite]

I think their point is, you should use a system designed for something instead of trying to manipulate something else to fit a vision. Don’t remodel an axe to bludgeon when a hammer exists.

[lilac kelp]

I thought CR was "dubiously, approximately balanced" around CR being for characters of that level. so 4x CR4 monsters are for 4x level 4 characters? Or is that wrong? .. beyond the nuance of .. all the things.

[crimson gulch]

No, it's just one part, the exp budget is what you use to build appropriate encounters

[cursive swan]

No cr 4 would be 4 level 1 characters, with a party level equal to 4

[lilac kelp]

Ah! I see.

[white eagle]

Or one Barbarian lol

[cursive swan]

So in theory a cr 8 should be 4 level 2 characters but..

[lilac kelp]

The level 2 characters crush that usually, right? Action economy things..?

[crimson gulch]

No, a cr 4 monster is 1100 exp, and a hard encounter for 4 level 1 pcs is 400 exp

[zinc imp]

I uhh need to ask how do I post in Looking for player's? Because I decided on trying to run phandelver

[errant bramble]

1 cr4 is for a party of lvl 4 I thought? Approximately.

[lilac kelp]

Welp, I don't know. :3

[rough basalt]

To put it this way
An Archmage is cr12, but he's a 17th level spellcaster at least so CR doesn't really equate to Level.

[errant bramble]

I thought CR ratings were for a party of the same level.

[cursive swan]

I might be forgetting to divide something

[crimson gulch]

The exp budget is what you gotta look at here, not just Cr, there is no formula for cr to encounters you got to calculate the exp

Page 114 of the dungeonmasters guide

[lilac kelp]

Okies.

[rough basalt]

'25 Archmage is a pretty scary statblock

By CR Calc a fair challenge for any PC party 7 and up I'd say off top of my head.
But if he hits them with a good 9th level cone of cold that freezes people who hit 0hp into ice blocks.

[cursive swan]

And if your planning/ implementing an encounter and it's going really bad for the players you can re jig it a bit . Half the health or something

[rough basalt]

I say, if they die, they die

[burnt valley]

Noble Prodigies with no save charm and Cloud Giants with no save incap

[cursive swan]

I mean. If it ends up being op at the table

[rough basalt]

Just don't get hit by cloud giants

[cursive swan]

Generally good advice

[crimson gulch]

Nah, fudging hp is not something you should do, killing player charicters is part of the game

[eager marsh]

12d8 cold damage damage is an average of 54 damage on a failed save. That's more health than most level 7 characters have without being a D10/D12 hit die and 14+Con in a single blast that will hit multiple party members

For those curious of the actual lethality

[crimson gulch]

Cone of cold is not insta t kill at 0 hp, it's just if it does kill with damage they freeze solid

[undone fable]

i love chef feat. its so awesome

[eager marsh]

Oh that wasn't a consideration, or even relevant to my math. The point was that a single cast of 9th level cone of cold is a realistic chance of a full tpk just then and there

[jovial shadow]

Yes a CR4 monster is supposed to be a challenge four 4th level monsters. As you can see, there is so much homebrewing that people forget the basics.

[crimson gulch]

Correct, sora had said it was instant kill

[rough basalt]

Oh I thought it was an instant kill

That's good to know.

[eager marsh]

Ah I missed that specifically but I would simply not put an archmage against a part of lv 7 characters. Not if I expect them to survive it anyways

[crimson gulch]

Nope, common mistake with thr wording though

I drop 9th level spells on level 7 parties

[rough basalt]

Highest level spell I've dropped on a player was Finger of Death on a level 5 Paladin.

[crimson gulch]

I don't expect my players to survive everything, but they do do pretty well.
No one has died in my December games

[rough basalt]

I've mainly used control magic recently against players

I have a Bandit Warlock I used a bit who uses Bane

[undone fable]

i love nineth level spells. mine is time stop

[eager marsh]

I love Time Stop in theory, but am disapointed with it in practice

[burnt valley]

Did they live

[rough basalt]

Yep

[quasi pike]

Which channel would i ask if people want to join my campaign

[eager marsh]

iirc that was an aasimar paladin, so necrotic resistant

[rough basalt]

Ye

Half that party had Necrotic Resistance so I felt good about using high level Necrotic spells against them.

Tho I did fireball them twice with flameskulls once

[undone fable]

Necrotic damage is awesome!

[quasi pike]

Ok im just gonna ask here

Does anybody want to join my jujutsu kaisen based campaign plz

[burnt valley]

Can i make a binding vow of "I'll be immune to Jacob's Ladder for an hour but I can't eat burger king whoppers without ketchup and mustard at Tuesdays"

[eager marsh]

#find-a-game

[jovial shadow]

Jujitsu was fun, but really tiring. I practiced both Tradition and Brazilian Jujitsu ten years or so ago

[white eagle]

My wife love that series.

[quasi pike]

Ask her if she wanna join and you too

[timber turtle]

Is every DND class only strong because of gods in the setting?

[crimson gulch]

No

You don't even Need gods for clerics and paladins

[white eagle]

After some bad experiences she doesn't play online anymore.

[oak grotto]

Pretty sure Levvy is talking about the anime.

[oak grotto]

It really depends. I imagine some DMs won't like seeing godless clerics in their games.

Kinda the same for paladins but it's less likely to be an issue.

[knotty pasture]

Paladins can be godless, Clerics are harder

[oak grotto]

But Urizt is right because a rogue could hate all of the gods and that wouldn't make the character any weaker.

[knotty pasture]

Paladins gain their power from a promise so steadfast it gives them power

[naive cedar]

some Paladin oaths arent necessarily to gods yeah

I don’t think crown is typically to gods?

[knotty pasture]

It was never about gods at all, Clerics can worship a certain concept

[glass granite]

None technically have to be iirc

[oak grotto]

In fact traditional dragonborn look down upon gods.

[knotty pasture]

Tbh none of the oaths are related to gods

[unkempt roost]

Just an oath

Can be an oath to a kingdom or to a certain mission

[turbid vessel]

The way I see it, if there are IRL religions that exist that don't have gods or a pantheon (there are), then there can be clerics that don't worship a god

[oak grotto]

I don't do paladins that way. And I have had a DM make paladins have a patron deity. That's my point.

[knotty pasture]

Ah a house rule

[naive cedar]

I think for clerics it would depend on the setting

[knotty pasture]

Even for Clerics its probably fine, if you can have a Cleric of Tiamat participate in a campaign about stopping Tiamat's plans, anything can work

[unkempt roost]

I think clerics are a little more tied to having a deity however it's DND you can do whatever you want

[oak grotto]

One of the reasons it's hard for me to accept paladins as a godless class is because they need holy symbols for their magic.

[knotty pasture]

A promise can be holy

[white eagle]

Anyone can be godless or worship a deity religion doesn't have to be tied to a class. But campaign setting does matter and how deities influence the world. Forgotten Realms is a great example of that.

[knotty pasture]

The concept of a priest class in dnd is to draw power from an outside source rather than their own efforts

[oak grotto]

A promise can't be a focus.

[knotty pasture]

A promise so powerful it became a focus

[crimson gulch]

Individual dms are able to use the lore as they see fit for sure, but there's nothing mechanically stopping folks from running games without gods

[turbid vessel]

But a godless religion can have symbols, I reckon

[crimson gulch]

And paladins can use component pouches

[oak grotto]

Mechanically, sure.

[knotty pasture]

Clerics are the only class that's closest towards the idea of being related to gods (as they worship something)

[crimson gulch]

Heck most of their spells are verbal

[coarse ravine]

Paladins as well

They literally have a oath. But divine intervention is divine intervention

[knotty pasture]

Paladins draw out their power from their juiced up promises

[crimson gulch]

I use gods alot in my games

[knotty pasture]

An oath isn't related to gods, just that gods are sometimes the embodiment of a certain value that matches with the oath

But is otherwise no more thematic than a Rogue "drawing" power from Bhaal because lord of murder and Rogues assassinating people

[naive cedar]

I was going to say that a Paladin could, for example, pledge to protect nature and be blessed by a nature related god

[crimson gulch]

An oath can be made to a God, but it dosent have to be

[naive cedar]

but it’s not specifically to that god

[oak grotto]

Anyway ever since I read about paladins in the 2014 book it really felt like they gained their powers from a god. Idk how they did things in 2024 though. Anyway I pretty much dislike this whole godless paladin thing. Even more so when we are talking about clerics.

[knotty pasture]

Like Druids don't get this kinda discourse

[glass granite]

People of religion just often have more conviction than the average person

[crimson gulch]

The 2014 dmg has details about running godless games

[knotty pasture]

Druids are a priest class too, but no one goes on about how they need to worship a nature god to throw spikes and summon a zoo

[naive cedar]

I agree tbh people can play however they want but the god element is a big part of the “fun” with paladins and clerics

[crimson gulch]

And how paladins and clerics can work in lore without gods

[jovial shadow]

They can? The Class description says only a Holy Symbol can be used

[knotty pasture]

And Druids are arguably more religious than Paladins

[white eagle]

Cool I'll be sure to not check it out.

[naive cedar]

correct me if I’m wrong but in a lot of settings druids have a specific god they tend to follow

[crimson gulch]

Your not gonna read the dungeon masters guide?

[knotty pasture]

Its natural to deviate towards a god but they don't have to worship a god to summon a zoo

Because ultimately Druids are just borrowing power from the natural world

Like how Paladins are borrowing power from their oath

[oak grotto]

Fair argument. It really feels like DnD works best when you have a world that has gods though so...

[white eagle]

In old dnd Druids were priests of the old faith and clerics new. 5e Druids worship nature and ancestral spirits and clerics gods.

[white eagle]

Nope

[glass granite]

My setting is largely godless, actually

[crimson gulch]

There's been published works without them, dark sun, mystara

[glass granite]

Only one god, and that’s the god of existence and order

[naive cedar]

by old dnd do you mean version 1? jw. I remember Druids being a prestige class

[white eagle]

Old as in past editions

[white eagle]

I have a Pantheon lol

[oak grotto]

Tbf the only setting I care about is the Forgotten Realms.

[naive cedar]

I feel bad bc the only dnd settings I really know about are forgotten realms and greyhawk lol

and somewhat ravenloft

[glass granite]

I don’t know a thing about Forgotten Realms

[white eagle]

Greyhawk and Forgotten Realms are my two favorite published settings.

[naive cedar]

I should read more dnd settings

[crimson gulch]

No class descriptions mention component pouches, they are the default for spellcasting and each class gets the ability to use things other than/ in addition that in their description

[glass granite]

Or any of the official settings, for that matter

[lilac kelp]

There are realms that are forgotten.

[naive cedar]

I only know about greyhawk bc I used to play it with my parents

[glass granite]

mind blown

[naive cedar]

forgotten realms has such a good pantheon imo

[knotty pasture]

I agree

I get fascinated by priest classes in general

[white eagle]

I love the city of greyhawk and castle greyhawk and the world of greyhawk.... Names easily remembered lol.

[naive cedar]

I love making clerics/paladins for that reason. the deity and how they relate to the character’s story is a big part of the fun

[oak grotto]

I like how specific some of the deities can be.

[naive cedar]

same and the deities feel a lot like real world polytheistic religions to me

[lilac kelp]

I've been watching so many forgotten realms lore videos, and just now realized I haven't learned anything about the gods yet. xD

[oak grotto]

Like Eadro, the god of merfolk. Or Tharmerkhûl, the dwarven god of the forge.

[crimson gulch]

The new forgotten realms books are so good

[naive cedar]

and the good aligned deities are cool

[oak grotto]

Chauntea, my beloved.

[crimson gulch]

Ahh, so much praise for the earthmother in my moonashae island game lastnight

[oak shoal]

Just ordered curse of strahd and I've never been more excited

[lilac kelp]

Bluuuuuud...~

[oak grotto]

Chauntea is out here giving peaceful priests the ability to annihilate monsters because people be worshipping her for more corn in their fields.

[oak shoal]

I will be wearing all black and a minimum of 1 pound of eyeliner every session

[lilac kelp]

Sorry, I'm still haunted by Vlad from Magicka. (Who is definitely not a vampire)

[naive cedar]

also, might be a silly question but I haven’t played tabletop dnd in a while: do you necessarily need to follow the domains of certain gods when making clerics?

[oak grotto]

I haven't played a lot of clerics but I tend to keep their tenets in mind when playing my characters, yes.

[crimson gulch]

Nope

[oak grotto]

Oh, the domains!

[crimson gulch]

There's no deity or alignment restrictions on your class choices raw, but talk to your dm about how they run things

[oak grotto]

Yeah, I do that.

[naive cedar]

ty

[oak grotto]

Partnered subclasses are an exception since you have to decide which cleric subclasses fit which deity.

That's probably obvious.

[white eagle]

Depends on the world and campaign

[undone fable]

i dont?

[meager fractal]

kinda feels like you do

[coarse ravine]

I just always say mother nature. Or just nature in general as well as the elements bonding with them.

[woven flint]

Oh. That reminds me, I nerd to read more on Helm

[coarse ravine]

Usually always take Primordial too. Cause if ya can do all these things with elemental stuff why not always be able to talk to them

[woven flint]

I'm honestly surprised Order isn't one of his domains as .. he kinda feels like a diety of Ordee

[coarse ravine]

I love oath of authority

[naive cedar]

that’s something I was thinking about: could you stretch it somewhat and make a cleric of helm be in the order domain, for example? it’d probably depend on the dm though

[woven flint]

Probably

I don't think that the domain must directly correlate with the Deity if it shares resemblance to what they do

[naive cedar]

yea

Id allow it if there was a sensible explanation personally

[woven flint]

Helm himselves domains are:
Light, Twilight and Life, which, I guess all make sense lol

[naive cedar]

there’s a ton of life domain deities

[remote wadi]

Thoughts on how well a Berserker Barb and Battle Master Fighter pairs?

[woven flint]

Ah, crap, Helm was slain by Tyr :<

(Cyric is assumed to be responsible)

[remote wadi]

Wanted to try out that combination for the inevitable Human Fighter

[knotty pasture]

They punch things really hard

Sadly most other classes' utility is more than Barb + Fighter combined

[remote wadi]

Naturally, but I wanted to see how well that works together if I make that the character

[regal gulch]

Merry Christmas!

[remote wadi]

Which is okay, I just want to try that out sometime. And it might just be 2014 anyways

[naive cedar]

oh it’s almost Christmas where I am

[remote wadi]

Worst case scenario, it just stays a concept

[glass granite]

2014 or 2024 berserker?

[jovial shadow]

Not as hard as a Monk. Monks punch the hardest of all.

[knotty pasture]

Yes yes

[remote wadi]

2014, probably

[glass granite]

2014 berserker is eh imo

[cunning solstice]

Hello there

[remote wadi]

Difference being?

[glass granite]

2014 gives you exhaustion

[storm magnet]

Can a dragon tell fake gold from real gold?

Like if you painted silver gold or something

[knotty pasture]

Berserker Barb's like the worst Barb subclass in 2014

[white eagle]

I enjoyed playing one

[knotty pasture]

Don't go there, lots of better options

[unkempt roost]

I can already smell the tpk

[white eagle]

My guy not being able to be charmed or frightened and hitting anyone who damages me as a reaction was awesome.

My half-orc could do hellish rebuke but with his axe lol

[undone fable]

I have yet to play a monk

Mostly because ranger is right there.

is Berserker barb good in 2024

[errant bramble]

This made me chuckle pretty good, lol.

[errant bramble]

Even if you passed a deception check, and tricked it, eventually the paint is going to wear off, lol.

Would be better to plate another metal with gold. But even then, that's a big risk, lol.

[storm magnet]

By the time the paint wore off you could be long gone

[errant bramble]

True, but IDK how vengeful the dragon is, or how much gold you are faking. Maybe if it's like 10 Gold peices it won't care overly much. But a lot? IDK if it would track you down or not.

Would be an interesting plot point later on.

[storm magnet]

I didn't think Dragons really inspect their horde, just sit on it

[errant bramble]

I mean, that's your risk to take, lol.

[high vine]

I'm making Yuan Ti variant and for the stat boost I gave the more humanoid variant the option of Cha+2 or Int+2. For the snake version with snake tail legs I was thinking of giving them a Dex or Strength +2 option with either Cha+2 or Int+2 second option. What do you guys think makes more sense for the snake version?

[raw ocean]

Can warforged have literally any name?

[high vine]

Anything can have any name! But maybe you had more context? :0

Nearly every rule is a suggestion in dnd

[errant bramble]

I mean, would depend on it's backstory.

But basically, yeah.

[raw ocean]

Perfect

[errant bramble]

I named mine Cenotaph.

[white eagle]

Does anyone know how to delete a looking for players post?

[errant bramble]

Click the delete button under it?

[white eagle]

I did and a message pops up saying press delete again within the next 10 seconds to confirm. I did and nothing happened

[errant bramble]

No idea then.

[lusty tendon]

Unrelated but i really wanna make a warforged druid where they reject their nature and eventually become one with nature becoming more like a groot like character rather than a machine built for war

[white eagle]

Thanks your input was appreciated lol

[errant bramble]

[white eagle]

I'm not sure about that

[woven flint]

I had a Warforged named Vanguard

[glass granite]

Hi not sure about that, I’m Nugget

[raw ocean]

Im naming him "Brick"

[woven flint]

He was a beast of a lad

[glass granite]

I named mine Harold

[woven flint]

Literally first session our party was being chased by a snow tiger when we were sledding and everyone was freaking out, my warforged, Vanguard, just backflipped off the moving sled and punch the Snow Tiger right in the jaw and had a superhero-esk landing and everything

Man was not afraid to scrap

[errant bramble]

Warforged seem like chads.

[woven flint]

Vanguard was indeed a chad, he was also an Armorer Artificer, so he was a highly intelligent Chad

[white eagle]

Ok

[woven flint]

He knocked the snow tigers teeth right out of its Jaws lol

[errant bramble]

I made a Warforged the other day. Making him a Death domain cleric. He has amnesia and turned to studying dead people to see why he's different.

[woven flint]

I have an idea for a Warforged Warlock of Dispater lol

[errant bramble]

Having 19 AC at level one is also a pretty great part of being a warforged.

Without a shield, too.

Wait, nvm. Thats with a shield.

[fossil hollow]

Ive had warforged named:

• F15T
• N4M3L355 V01D
• S4GE
• G4ND3R
• P4R4D15E L05T
• F4T4L15
• F15T1CUFF
• R4D10

[woven flint]

Vanguard was just..
Vanguard.
He was born to be a Frontliner, so, he fulfilled that purpose

[violet basin]

I too used leetspeek to name my Warforged, "Line Combat Unit # 5un537-7h1nk3r", also known as Otomat, and Oto.

a twilight cleric

[fossil hollow]

Oooh, 7s as Ts works

[woven flint]

Vanguard had 11 siblings by the same creator, but he never ended up meeting any of them

[violet basin]

(he has no understanding of religion, and doesnt know how his 'magic' works. but this little book someone gave him after he lost his first friend has little rituals and things in it...)

[glass granite]

Why is that an anagram of Tomato

[violet basin]

coincidience

his first friend couldn't spell Automatic, so he got Otomat., Oto.

[marsh falcon]

Im working on my own ttrpg rn so if anyone wants to see it message me ig

[violet basin]

anyway, Oto died, to some exploding oozes, trying to pull off an Iron Giant moment, but his teammate ruined it and got them both killed instead.

[woven flint]

Lmao

Vanguard didn't die, but the campaign ended early, my headcanon is that he kept serving his duties until he couldn't function anymore

Not to say he was like.. a mindless machine lmao, he was just most comfortable protecting and stuff of the sort, although he claims no emotional attachment was ever present (He lies, he crashed out when our Monk almost died and completely eviscerated the wizard that almost killed him)

[undone fable]

Its okay if I try to rp in dnd?

im still not very good at the rp

[unkempt roost]

My friend that's like asking if you can go swim at the pool

[remote wadi]

Unfortunate. It sounds like a cool subclass too

[bright jay]

I had one named S.T.3.M.U.R who was like a chef bot or sum, only used fire spells+fog cloud (fog cloud + blindsight goes crazy)

[rotund abyss]

I was gonna talk about this on #dm-discussion but there's already a conversation going on so imma just ask here

I'm gonna build my own dm screen, and I ordered 4 wooden frames and some door hinges. What utilities do I need to put in?

[umbral girder]

Conditions, actions,

Idk the exploration rules and social attitudes?

[rotund abyss]

I guess

I'm planning on building an initiative tracker too using popsicle sticks. I'll make like a ladder then have popsicle sticks with the character names on them, so the name at the top goes first and the name at the bottom is last and stuff

[errant bramble]

Thats a neat idea, lol

[viscid chasm]

That's quite clever

[rotund abyss]

Omg praise 😍😍

[glass granite]

Just remember to leave room to add more sticks!

[errant bramble]

Probably have one panel just for sticks.

Someone gunna ressurect skeletons or something

[glass granite]

I’d say half a panel, depending on the size of a panel

[errant bramble]

I wanna play so baaaad. Ugh.

[humble cairn]

You should just jump in, everyone is always interrupting everyone on Discord, that's just how a chatroom works, and it's better that you keep topics in the channels that are appropriate.

[empty thicket]

same, but sadly i will have to wait for a time

[errant bramble]

Gotta work tonight too. Shift starts in 3 hours. Just wanna DND......

[empty thicket]

embrace the work, the DND wont give you money for food.
Do a good work and someday you will play it like a reward for you

[tame forge]

Im like halfway through my shift D:

[tame forge]

D&D did both for me when I did paid DM'ing.

Made decent money off it. Make better money at my lab now tho.

[empty thicket]

Yeah, you can get some extras with it and fun too.
But i wont tell to someone to work fully on it

[knotty pasture]

Yknow something got me thinking

What is the bar for optimization

Is it genuinely letting every PC do what they want and being against metagaming (includes knowing about what spells/stats are good)

[rotund abyss]

I'll make a big ladder then

[errant bramble]

Someone cast animate dead upcast to lvl 6 and you got like 10 skeletons running around.

Or zombies.

[glass granite]

Time for a beeeggg ladder

[rotund abyss]

A reaaaally big ladder 😛

[errant bramble]

I don't wanna calculate a lvl 9 upcast, but you get the point.

Makes it worse when the party necromancer is fighting another necromancer.

[rotund abyss]

I'll get two ladders attached to one panel then

[errant bramble]

XD

It probably won't happen often, but at some point you'll have like 30+ things in the turn order.

Popsicle sticks are pretty narrow though, so it won't be too bad.

[hot gate]

I'd start grouping them way before that happens tbh.

"now all the zombies go"

[errant bramble]

Good idea.

[stiff jewel]

Does anyone have any luck finding programs that make digital character sheets as simple to use as physical sheets?

[errant bramble]

Still gotta track their hp though right?

[errant bramble]

DnD beyond. Easy to level up too.

[stiff jewel]

Useless D&D beyond has a new character sheet layout that is hidden somewhere, it's not the same.

[hot gate]

Mostly yes

[rotund abyss]

You have a swarm of zombies and then just say each zombie has maybe 20 hp (prolly not lmao), multiply by how many zombies there are, then the multi attack deals less damage the less hp there is cuz they're running out of zombies

Swarm of zombies as one entity

*Horde sorry

[errant bramble]

Ugh, my brain. IDK about that, lol.

[rotund abyss]

TRUST

[knotty pasture]

Yeah you don't group them into one bigger entity, by grouping its usually just having them share the same order in the initative order and actions

[rotund abyss]

It's js what I did with bats

[knotty pasture]

For example, a group of four zombies, 20 hp each, run towards enemy bandit and claw at them each for 4 times

[woven flint]

Friends! I just learned about the Deity Ilmater..
Dude is so based but his existence is sad :<
He willingly bares/transfers the suffering of others to himself.

[errant bramble]

He's a chill guy, ye.

[knotty pasture]

Bats or smaller critters can be grouped together into its own thing, but for stuff like zombies or bigger animals they're still their own thing

[woven flint]

He's literally called The Crying God 😭

I wanna hug him

[rotund abyss]

Yeye

[knotty pasture]

(I say this with pain because I too want a large zombie to run around with as Spores Druid)

[stiff jewel]

The notes section of D&D beyong is very very bare bones.

[errant bramble]

Doesn't spore druid only get one zombie at a time?

[woven flint]

I'm so upset that I'm just now learning about him

[errant bramble]

I learned about him from BG3 mostly.

[woven flint]

I decided to literally look over EVERY Deity in D&D lmao, I'm on him right now

Not to read everyone in depth, but gain an understanding of some that interest me

[knotty pasture]

You can summon zombies via Fungal Infestation equal to your wisdom modifier per long rest

[woven flint]

I read this just now:
Ilmater appeared as a short man with a burly build wearing only a breechcloth, with a plain but kind and comforting face, a balding head, and a hairy body. But this body bore the marks of mutilation and torture on the rack, covered with open cuts, closed scars, burns, and a range of other wounds. Ilmater's joints were broken, his limbs were ravaged, and his hands were smashed yet still functional. Moving caused him a great deal of pain as he dragged himself around. No matter how much his avatar healed, it still showed these terrible wounds.

I would kill for him. (I doubt he'd actually want that though)

[fossil hollow]

ah, illmater

[knotty pasture]

You can pick a half feat at level 4 to get 18 wis, which can push you to 4 zombies per long rest

[fossil hollow]

its funny how hes the god of martyrdom, and that hes also one of the three gods in the Triad

[woven flint]

Ti! I lobe him...

He's baby

[knotty pasture]

5 zombies if you rolled good stats, 3 zombies if you didn't pick a half feat

[fossil hollow]

hes my favorite god, for somewhat obvious reasons i cannot say without breaking server rules

[errant bramble]

OOooh, it's wisdom modifier.....

I seeeee

Are they better than regular animate dead zombies?

[woven flint]

Honestly, if I knew about him before Waterdeep I would've made Artanza a Life Cleric of Ilmater

Be the one to bare the Wounds of a broken city fr

[fossil hollow]

not to late to find a new faith /hj

[knotty pasture]

No its just the standard CR 1/4 normal zombie

[woven flint]

It's tempting, don't get me wrong, but I also love Knowledge Cleric a lot lol

[fossil hollow]

Its funny to me how similar illmater is to a certain big J though

[woven flint]

Jarlaxle?

OH

[fossil hollow]

another deity big J

[woven flint]

I'M SO..

Wheezing

[glass granite]

Hi SO.., I’m Nugget
Oh, apologies, are you So Wheezing?

[fossil hollow]

yknow what makes him funnier? hes part of the trini- i mean triad

[errant bramble]

Talking about bone daddy?

[fossil hollow]

nullifying gas, you have no abilities now

[glass granite]

Damn it they brought the pokemon knowledge

[woven flint]

And Regigias can now be balling

[fossil hollow]

not jergal no. another martyr god whose name starts with j

[errant bramble]

Ah

I'm glad you knew who I was talking about, lol.

[fossil hollow]

look, me and tokii were just talking about it two days ago lmao

[fossil hollow]

i saw the convo this morning

[errant bramble]

One of the best things to come of BG3 was Jergal getting the nickname Bone Daddy.

[glass granite]

-# I need to recap my VGC knowledge, damn. Anywho here’s a make it rain.

[fossil hollow]

owch. my turn, dragon rage

[woven flint]

You know?
I feel like a Cleric of Ilmater would fit right in Waterdeep, healing the wounded and giving retribution to the cruel

[knotty pasture]

Him being called Bone Man is a good one, him possibly being a woman or trans is also v funny

[limber trail]

You should change Artanza’s Cleric Deity NOW

[woven flint]

But.. Oghma..

[fossil hollow]

Oghmund apreciates your pursuit of knowledge, even if it leads him away from his path

[errant bramble]

Who would Hermaeus Mora be in DnD?

[fossil hollow]

por que?

[errant bramble]

Hermaeus Mora. Daedric prince of forbidden knowledge and stuff.

[fossil hollow]

sounds like arcana or knowledge to me

[errant bramble]

Tentacley eldritch dude. The chillest of the bad guys.

Bro just wants to read all the books.

[fossil hollow]

goolock

[errant bramble]

Fair actually, lol

[fossil hollow]

gootomelock fits i think

either that or fathomless tomelock

[errant bramble]

GooTome sounds better

[woven flint]

Hmmm, maybe my back-up character for uh.. anything
Could be a Mercy Monk that follows Ilmaters beliefs 🧐

Hell, Yurukarth, my Orc Mercy Monk, probably would've been a follower of Ilmater if I knew about him when I was playing him lol

[burnt valley]

Fathomless Warlock

[errant bramble]

Why fathomless?

GOO would fit better no?

[fossil hollow]

tentacles

[burnt valley]

Wait i think goo would be better since fathomless has that sort of eldritch tentacle theme thingy

[errant bramble]

GOO get arms of hadar though right?

[fossil hollow]

fathomless is the go to for anything including actual tentacles

[fossil hollow]

all locks do

[woven flint]

Indeed

[errant bramble]

But fathomless seems less knowledgy than GOO

[fossil hollow]

thats what the tomelock is for

[errant bramble]

What do you get from Fathomless?

[fossil hollow]

tentacles

[errant bramble]

[fossil hollow]

water utility. decent control

[errant bramble]

I mean, unless the majority of the campaign takes place in the water, seems like a waste.

[fossil hollow]

eh. the only hard water needed feature is level 14

its still a decent subclass

Bonus action 1d8 cold damage and -10 ft movement is awesome

[burnt valley]

Can the tentacle protect ppl from damage btw?

[fossil hollow]

it can starting level 6

reaction to do so for some damage reductions

[errant bramble]

You weren't joking about the tentacles.

[fiery nimbus]

my last character paired it with summon shadowspawn so nobody could really move

[errant bramble]

Very tentacly

[glass granite]

Very

[fiery nimbus]

on top of that the tentacle slam can activate mobile feat, not that you will need it

[errant bramble]

Very well, Fathomless Tome Warlock is now the Hermaeus Mora Servant.

[fossil hollow]

i was never joking about the tentacles. My first fathomless warlock was just Ninomae Inanis if she was sent to Icewind dale. Its a wonder she survived as she did.

[glass granite]

Did you do the puns?!
VERY important

[fossil hollow]

my biggest regret is not being able to talk to yetis and get them as takodachis

[glass granite]

Awww mannn

[fossil hollow]

i cant remember, but i dont think i was able to do so, lack of opportunity

[errant bramble]

Hermaeus Mora does have another name. The Fathomless Abyss or something. so Fitting.

[severe rampart]

what's your guys' favorite DnD Podcast?

[glass granite]

No “icy nothing” jokes?!

At least tell me you referenced cookie 🍪

[errant bramble]

Got cold feet.

[fossil hollow]

nay, she was too busy making takodachis out of undead and a changeling named xerox

[glass granite]

Y’know what that’ll do

[fossil hollow]

wait, no that was the pun, there was a changeling named xerothin or something

[glass granite]

YAY 🎉

[fossil hollow]

i called him Xerox. cuz copy machine

[errant bramble]

Thats a slippery slope.

[severe rampart]

a changeling, named xerox? oh my god it's genius

[glass granite]

Chill out with the puns.

[errant bramble]

Sorry, gave myself the chills.

[glass granite]

Speaking of hololive, what class would Bae be…

[errant bramble]

No need for such a frosty attitude.

[fossil hollow]

... failed my wisdom saves, i need gravity and nugget to roll me 3d6. i need my damage

[lyric idol]

Keep up gonna get brainfreeze.

[severe rampart]

That's cold

[glass granite]

12

[fossil hollow]

wild magic sorc or beast barb, depending on what you want to focus on

[errant bramble]

2, 6, 6

[fossil hollow]

ok, im dead three times over

im dead 6 times over

[errant bramble]

XD

[umbral girder]

Hear me out. A former singer named Marilyn who became an assassin. She has a wide variety of skills but also is great with martial arts.

Her name is Marilyn Monk Rogue /jk

[limber trail]

Make a con save too

[errant bramble]

Cold as ice

[glass granite]

Ok that’s clever and I hate it

[fossil hollow]

i hate you, also roll me 3d6 nealen

[lyric idol]

Willing to sacrifice

[umbral girder]

Counter spell

[fossil hollow]

youre damaging me

[glass granite]

Gimme your AC, you’re catching these hands

[fossil hollow]

why are you countering your own spell

[severe rampart]

Let it go 🙂

[errant bramble]

Revenge is best served cold

[umbral girder]

My goals are beyond your comprehension

[olive wasp]

I like mine with some spice, tajin on the rim

[lyric idol]

Swapped to hands huh? Sick of catching your own spells

[severe rampart]

oh my god we're making ice puns and a guy named icy is here

[umbral girder]

I cast Nuh Uh

[errant bramble]

You people got me started on ice puns. It's freezing my progress to get ready for work.

[olive wasp]

I’ve been summoned

[limber trail]

Counterspell

[umbral girder]

Nuh uh

[fossil hollow]

im casting meteor swarm from 2 miles away

[olive wasp]

But it’s okay y’all can chill out I’m not that heated

[umbral girder]

You missed

[errant bramble]

[severe rampart]

Guess you're on... thin ice

[fossil hollow]

i cast it again

[glass granite]

I’m a monk, never had spells. I do think of myself of a bit of a comedian tho, my punch lines are…aparent

[umbral girder]

You missed

[lyric idol]

Yall are in the frozone with these puns.

[fossil hollow]

im wishing it right on top of you

[errant bramble]

Just a chill person

[umbral girder]

You missed

[severe rampart]

We'll thaw out in time

[olive wasp]

Just a chill guy with a cool sense of style

[umbral girder]

It went right by just above me

[glass granite]

Hi wishing it on top of you, I’m Nugget

[sharp tendon]

anyone here DM ed the** "Dragons of stormwreck isle" **?
have some questions about PC the side quests...
(would like to Direct Message them to avoid Spoilers)

[fossil hollow]

i wasted my ability to cast wish on that?!

[errant bramble]

Alright, time to go work outside in -degrees

[fossil hollow]

#1029833015423143957

[glass granite]

Go to the appropriate thread in #1029833015423143957

[errant bramble]

Byyyyye

[olive wasp]

This one gave me brain freeze

[severe rampart]

hey man, don't be... picky

[errant bramble]

That wasnt a joke, lol.

[olive wasp]

Can’t it be both

[severe rampart]

Darn, sent me chills

[umbral girder]

Reading a novel called Dungeon Crawler Carl. Kinda want to do Dungeon of the Mad Mage now

[fossil hollow]

running it, been fun

[glass granite]

Schrödinger’s jokes
Maybe I should just make a bard that just spams dad jokes.

[olive wasp]

Party psychosis machine

[severe rampart]

I think your party, depending on age, would get 1d4 damage as well

[remote wadi]

Have mercy

[olive wasp]

I mean my barbarian makes bad jokes because she’s low intelligence but she loves it

[glass granite]

The only character that can affect the DM, gonna get a cringe counter

[olive wasp]

She just likes annoying people for the humor. As every good pun maker does

[knotty pasture]

Wait here's an PC concept, Barb who worked as a clown

[olive wasp]

The real enjoyment of puns is the negative reaction of others

[knotty pasture]

Terrible, angry puns

[lyric idol]

I've always wanted to make a bard who uses puppets like Jeff Dunham. Put a littke set of cymbals on the puppet.

[olive wasp]

A massive squeaky hammer

[severe rampart]

I'm not that experienced in DnD but is it true that either the party is at the DM's mercy or the DM is at the party's mercy, and those are the only options?

[knotty pasture]

Why not both

[olive wasp]

It’s a balance

[severe rampart]

Both, both is good

[glass granite]

Was gonna say, “Yesn’t”

[olive wasp]

We hold each other hostage

[knotty pasture]

Balanced as it should be

[severe rampart]

The secret third option, the party keeps rolling natural 1's when the DM needs them to discover something important

[severe rampart]

so now they're all at the dice's mercy

[knotty pasture]

The DM just brute forces the intended outcome anyways

[olive wasp]

That’s when you smack your head against it when you trip and fall over something else

Perception so bad you don’t see a raised surface

[knotty pasture]

Like a failsafe in a video game so you don't just miss story items permanently because you went out of your way avoiding it

[lyric idol]

Party knows the DM can throw a TPK at them at any given moment, and the DM knows the party can completely derail and destroy their beautifully planned campaign in a single action.

[glass granite]

Mutually Assured Destruction

[severe rampart]

idk but my character is just a con artist, would money be a problem at all

[severe rampart]

if you think about it, that's just the prisoner's dilemma

[knotty pasture]

Yes because what if this con artist only amounts to conning people for a few copper pieces at a time

[glass granite]

A lot of things are the prisoners dilemma

[severe rampart]

Yes, I suppose so

[severe rampart]

My game plan is to turn into a well known figure, use my +8 in performance and 19 charisma, and maybe deception in order to trick elderly and young folk into giving me valuable materials

[severe rampart]

I have shapechanger

[glass granite]

I curse you to be permanently under the effects of zone do truth

[olive wasp]

Changeling rogue is some of the most fun you can have

[severe rampart]

Oh no, not a rogue, I'm a bard