dnd-discussion

[elfin bison]

That's what I suspect, cuz no way this girl would give us 2 insta-kill weapons first session

[tidal bough]

New dm or experienced?

[elfin bison]

Probably relatively new, but they do seem to sorta know what they are doing

[elfin bison]

They also write in their free time, but yeah, I totally see them doing this

[fiery perch]

I am playing an artificer for the 1st time,
level 3 - artellerist
I have homocolous servant already
alongside find familiar
and eldrich canon

Any tips?

[flat monolith]

Don’t forget your support and not just damage

[fiery perch]

ofc, this is also a westmarch

I have a bag of holding rn, anyone know how to make it a bomb

[flat monolith]

Get a second

[frozen fable]

Force so much mass into it compressed into one place that you create a black hole?

[fiery perch]

I doubt that will happen

magic item is a rarity in the campaign

[frozen fable]

Idea

[flat monolith]

Find another artificer who has another and then put them inside each other

[frozen fable]

Items in the bag are kind inert right? You can put a cup of water in it, then shake it around and take it out without it having spilt?

[fiery perch]

there is another artificer

[frozen fable]

Is that how it works?

Or is it just a Harry Potter style space manipulation charm

[fiery perch]

I am trying to combine the canon with some other ability to make the canon fly
the servant and all familiars are tiny in size

I need something which is bigger than tiny and can fly and under my control

[frozen fable]

Giant fly

It has a challenge rating of zero so you can summon it with find familiar

[flat monolith]

This is 2014 though

[frozen fable]

Ah

Rule of cool override?

[flat monolith]

The homunculus tipped me off

[fossil hollow]

moot point...

[frozen fable]

@fiery perch

[fiery perch]

how what works

[frozen fable]

Items placed in the bag of holding

[fiery perch]

you place stuff in, you take it out - idk how it interacts with fluids

but I am trying to make the canon fly

[frozen fable]

Ok, so when you turn the bag upside down, it releases everything in the bag

[fossil hollow]

Cast levitate on the cannon

[frozen fable]

Fill it with something like nitroglycerin?

[fiery perch]

levitate is a 2nd level spell

[fossil hollow]

doesnt exist in dnd

[frozen fable]

Pour it out and it would explode on contact with the ground?

[fiery perch]

wait hold on - we are in a futuristic setting

[fossil hollow]

Oh. Ask your DM then

[fiery perch]

Yea I doubt I would get it - it's used as an explosive

if it's controlled in our world it would most likely be controlled in the future

[frozen fable]

Would you be willing to commit war crimes?

[fiery perch]

If I wanna take risks I can buy bombs from the campaign's black market

[frozen fable]

The bag has a limited air supply when closed, meaning the closed bag is airtight

Throw bleach and ammonia in the bag.

Instant chemical warfare in a bag

Just looked it up

The gas falls instead of rising. If you’re above the bag you’re fine

[swift fossil]

is there any relatively big
Quests from the Infinite Staircase dm discord? (like with most other wotc adventures)

[fossil hollow]

#looking-for-community might have some. Otherwise, look around the thread in #1029833015423143957

[fiery perch]

How did we determine the carrying capacity of a creature

[frozen fable]

Does the monster manual list weight limits?

[fossil hollow]

theres a formula in the PHB

[fiery perch]

There used to be some rule about str * x

[minor cargo]

For a PC, typically you find their maximum carry by multiplying their strength score by 15.

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/rules-glossary#CarryingCapacity

[fiery perch]

What about constructs

[fossil hollow]

Its the same for every creature

Some creatures might just have a trait that lets them carry more (see the ox)

[upper lintel]

Yup baulder gates 3 just keeps getting better

[minor cargo]

Check out that table. It has no info if they're large size, etc. ✌️

[fiery perch]

ooo
so for a str score of 4
the servant can carry
15 * 4 = 60
60lbs of stuff

it's str * 7.5 for tiny creatures

[minor cargo]

Yup. Hope that helps!

[fiery perch]

30lbs

the servant can carry 30lbs - The TINY canon CANNOT weigh 30lbs I can just tie the canon to the servant

and bam - the servant can fly and I have the flying canon

[minor cargo]

Haha, there you go! Your DM might want to talk about what firing the cannon requires, etc. But yeah, looks like you're on the right path.

[fiery perch]

eldritch canon

artificer - I can just command it - les go

just use a bunch of rope to tie the 2 things together and we have a flying canon

[valid geyser]

I was pointed to a really funny asset reuse in Adventures in faerun, where twice it suggests using the volcanic caves map template from the DMG and replacing the lava with water
I think if it works, it works, but it is definitely a silly suggestion to me

and hue shifting the lava to be blue makes it look pretty nice, and I'm all for the ability to reuse maps, I just think it's funny that an official wotc book tells you to use a volcano map but replace lava with water

[still plover]

What is lava but hot water, anyway?

[valid geyser]

ice is a rock, magma is molten rocks, water is a kind of magma

also adventures in faerun uses the term lava, when it's clearly magma

[knotty pasture]

Water so hot you'd take like 99 damage by being fully submerged in it I guess

[valid geyser]

i'm now imagining one of those optimizer players using the 'water is lava' argument to have their elementalism cantrip deal 99 damage

[marsh jolt]

Hey!!!

[red steppe]

New tech confirmed

[wintry spindle]

Magma under ground lava on top

[valid geyser]

as the creator of this tech i forbid it, i'm going to patent this or something

[red steppe]

Tbf tho its a roleplay cantrip

[grizzled canopy]

does anyone know why Gmbinder wont send me the emails i need to make an account?

[still plover]

Checked your spam folder and registered address?

[grizzled canopy]

Nothing

[oak shoal]

I just made a githyanki fighter. It feels like the most basic of basic choices but his backstory is cool

[worldly flare]

God I hate how 2024 got rid of Malleable illusions for Illusion Wizard. Phantasmal creatures doesn’t even fit the theme, thats Conjuration.

[oak shoal]

Plus I rolled amazing stats

[valid geyser]

theyre meant to be illusions of creatures

as in, not actually summoning something but making illusions so convincing they seem real

but yeah it is a fair complaint that illusion wizard is probably the best wizard at summoning spells as of right now

[worldly flare]

I know I just miss Malleable Illusions.

[meager fractal]

did i miss an announcement or did you just mean in general

[sharp tendon]

i have a Question:
as a DM im making a Demon encounter and this is his ability that i made up:
Unstable Form — when hit, it screams and distorts one other enemy (pure horror)
is there an effect in the book i can use for this fear? (sorry im new and haven't read all the book)

if yes, what should happen to the party (balancing wise)

[wintry spindle]

Like a fear reaction?

[meager fractal]

Probably just disadvantage on things and psychic damage every turn and narrate it really well

[sharp tendon]

yeap, one party member, like shits themself from fear

[wintry spindle]

from hitting it?

[still plover]

Look up the creature called a banshee and the frightened condition.

[sharp tendon]

one members hits the demon, the demon SCREAAAAAAAAAAMS
one OTHER member trembels in fear

[upper lintel]

In general been playing my first playthrough

[wintry spindle]

There isn't a monster per say that has that ability. But yes banshee is a good one for similar is uses Horrify to do that

But is there a way around this trigger?

And does is expend an reaction to use it

[still plover]

Bung up your ears or pass the saving throw.

Or have a silence spell in play.

[wintry spindle]

Also i guess range

If you hit it form far enough

Horrify has a 60 feet range so if you can hit it from 65 maybe

[sharp tendon]

aaaaaaaaaaa

i love this

[wintry spindle]

It's always important to find ways around a problem sometimes it's more fun as a player

[sharp tendon]

how much disadvantage they have?
do i deside that ?!

[still plover]

Probably, I can't see the statblock right now. But yeah, @sharp tendon , start by borrowing abilities from other creatures.

[stray atlas]

random thought

[wintry spindle]

The frieghtend creature has Disadvantage on ability checks and attack rolls while the source of fear is within line of sight.

[stray atlas]

what is the lowest possible ac for a creature to have?

[wintry spindle]

A commoner has 10 ac

[sharp tendon]

great idea, i will ask again if im stuck (so you guys can point me to the example monster i can use 😂 )

[still plover]

1, I think. Why would you need to know?

[wintry spindle]

The DMG has a chapter on making your own monsters

[halcyon forum]

if a monster has a Dexterity score of 1, it could have an AC of 5

[still plover]

There we go, good answer.

[halcyon forum]

of course monsters can ignore rules like that to some extend, but I think its best practice so have some logic to your statblocks

[charred saddle]

it could have nat armor of alot higher too.

[halcyon forum]

sure, just stating the normal minimum AC when following standard guidelines

[wintry spindle]

Marut are strong ngl

[tidal bough]

Assuming its affected by the slow spell we can get this to 3

[charred saddle]

they are the Agent Smith of d&d imo

[wintry spindle]

thats a good analogy

[charred saddle]

Wizard: Breaks one too many laws of physics.

Marut: “Mr. Anderson!”

[sharp tendon]

one more question:
i would like every PC to get a States Effect they can not remove (don't know how for now)
they experience nightmares, horror and paranoia
the thing is i want to interrupt their "Long Rest"
any ideas on how manage this (balance it so they are not Cooked but no go easy on them)

[meager fractal]

Best places to find free battlemaps online?

[vast plume]

how do i post in looking for players?

[valid geyser]

#find-a-game should tell you

[jaunty kettle]

whats a one shot?

[knotty pasture]

A campaign that ends in 1 session, 2-3 tops

[knotty basin]

Pretty sure it’s just 1

[knotty pasture]

Bet

[uncut zenith]

A one-shot is generally one session

But a lot of times what happens is that the one session takes longer to finish than intended, so the party will agree to extend it to 2 or 3 sessions

[tawdry merlin]

Ok

[oak shoal]

Where do I share drawings of my character

[empty thicket]

its a campaing that last 1 session, normally is 1 time adventure. So your characters are used that one time.
Can use it to test stuff like a new class for you, a new character and see how it work, etc. Or just enjoy a light adventure

[fossil hollow]

#dnd-arts-and-crafts

[oak shoal]

Thx

[empty thicket]

and oneshots are good for starters

so they start understanding the systems, numbers, etc. And dont get too overwhelm with a big story

[fast latch]

How does Psychic damage kill people?

Is it like having a stroke or something?

[fossil hollow]

exact flavor is up to you, but typically its associated with your mind being torn apart

or just pain your mind feels but not your body

[empty thicket]

Force is more hard to explain honestly
Its straight "magic" damage

[fossil hollow]

They asked about Psychic

[empty thicket]

......Luckily i can read, thanks for remarking it.
I was saying that psychic could be said like it harm your mind
Force is even harder to explain how it kill someone.

[fossil hollow]

I still dont see how your answer answers their question....

[empty thicket]

It doesnt, i was making a comparison in how force is even harder to explain, while you explained how psychic could be in some ways.

[fossil hollow]

its still rather unrelated to what theyre saying...

[empty thicket]

bro, sorry then, let it go please.

[fossil hollow]

youre the one pinging me...

[empty thicket]

true

but yeah, physic = Mind

Idk how "Force" could be explained in general

[flat monolith]

Pure magic/physics ie stuck in a wall

[empty thicket]

like, being push or smt like that? a "strong air" push?

[marble lion]

force is pretty impossible to imagine i think

[fossil hollow]

its pure magical damage

[marble lion]

yeah but isnt it always represented as like a physical knock

which in our physics would just be bludgeoning, aka a force pushing against you

[empty thicket]

Force cage give an idea that is like just energy made solid

[fossil hollow]

An Empyrean's Divine Weapon dealing force damage can vary from how a Warlock's Eldritch Blast deals force damage

[marble lion]

yeah but thats just bludgeoning then

its a concept i dont think we have

[fossil hollow]

its the easiest to reflavor of all of them

[marble lion]

but i always just handwave it as the magical equivalent to physical injury

it just does

[valid geyser]

i think it's moslty like, bludgeoning damage when they want something to be more magically focused

[marble lion]

its weird though

because any application of force is just pressure in our world

[fossil hollow]

Its not literal force

[marble lion]

and that is bludgeoning so its kinda impossible to imagine

[marble lion]

its not our physically defined "force" no
but it is a force
eldritch blast hits you like a projectile, even knocking you back if you take that thing
force cage prevents your physical form from pushing through a zone
magic missile bursts into you

[fossil hollow]

Force Pure magical energy
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/rules-glossary

[marble lion]

they are all expressed in just physical stuff but magical

yeah its pure magical energy

[valid geyser]

for monsters force damage kind of feels like a substitution for magical damage

[marble lion]

and magic doesnt exist so this cant really be properly conceived in a brain

[fossil hollow]

which means its not only "concussive." Seeing how Spiritual Weapon can take any weapon form, and how a Greatwyrm's Arcane Spear mythic action summons, well. Spears

[marble lion]

because any expression of energy in our head is just physics

[valid geyser]

I think it's a little silly to me, because a sahaugin's jaws being force damage isn't really that sensical

[marble lion]

if you go down to the smallest bits, knives push apart your pieces. they dont actually cut

[fossil hollow]

Which sahuagin has Force damage??

[marble lion]

i wasnt saying that force is just blunt objects

[fossil hollow]

Oh the Priest with Spectral Jaws

[empty thicket]

there was a monk attack that was force damage isnt it?

[marble lion]

probably the subclass of astral self

[fossil hollow]

All 2024 Monks can turn their UA damage to Force now at level 6

[marble lion]

oh wow

that makes sense considering the changes to immunity with bludgeon etc

[valid geyser]

yeah its again, a replacement for magic damage as a concept

[fossil hollow]

which was worthless by the time it mattered with monsters

[marble lion]

but at that point, would you even have to strike people fast?

[fossil hollow]

Who is fighting an empyrean without a magic weapon at the least

[marble lion]

could you just touch someone and it releases the full force damage if you want it to? since its magic and not physical kinetic energy driving it

[fossil hollow]

what?

[marble lion]

then again, maybe the monk learns to express that magic only through the kinetic energy

im trying to find the difference between "force damage" and "kinetic but its magical so we call it force"

[fossil hollow]

Flavor it however you wish. My astral self monk just used spectral chains.

[marble lion]

because if all force is now is a monk punching you with his fists because theyre magical, that really just makes force a magical kinetic

do you hit people with them?

[fossil hollow]

... yeah?

[marble lion]

another kinetic one

i wonder if there are force damage examples that arent expressed in kinetic ways

[empty thicket]

im checking

[fossil hollow]

i dont think hitting someone with spectral chains is kinetic

[marble lion]

it isnt but it is expressed the same way is what i mean

[valid geyser]

yeah it seems the term spectral is used multiple times in force damage attacks

[marble lion]

its always hitting people, bursting into people, blocking people and things

[fossil hollow]

Flavorwise, the chains didnt exist physically. They were essentially manifested from the monk's own chains on her wrists

[marble lion]

dont worry i like kurapika too

[fossil hollow]

I based her off the Hekatoncheires

Hundred Handed Ones who chained the titans after the Titanomachy

wait, is it 5th level now? damn

damn, im having one hell of a mandella effect

[valid geyser]

no its level 6

[empty thicket]

Ravenous void do "force" damage

so again, pushing or pressing something, i guess it could be some sort of "gravity"

[jovial shadow]

Nope it's just me. It's level 6th. I mixed it up with Stunning strike's level.

[empty thicket]

Dark star do the same, reality break, etc. etc, So in theory, its like "gravity"

[jovial shadow]

It's great D&D actually has the stats for it

[fossil hollow]

I know of the Hundred Handed Ones from Theros, but i assume theres a stupidly high CR monster from older editions

[jovial shadow]

Hekatoncheires is in D&D's Deities and Demigods (correction: Epic Level Play). I don't know if it is 3.0 or 3.5. I forget if they even had CR's at that time.

[fossil hollow]

its most likely 3.5 then. Deity and Demi is a 3.5 supplement iirc

[valid geyser]

i think its for epic levels

[jovial shadow]

Yes definitely Epic level monsters

Not Deities and Demigods. Something called Epic players

[marble lion]

Yeah but gravity is also a physical force

[empty thicket]

yep, but its the closest concept i can think of right now

[marble lion]

I dont think thats quite right

[empty thicket]

"magnetism"

[marble lion]

I think the closest thing to basically any of the spells is physical objects

Force cage? Cage
Eldritch blast? Cannoncall

[fossil hollow]

I usually equate rules of physics on the same level as rules of magic, same way the Magi: The Labyrinth of Magic does it

So force damage is usually more "Bending or interacting" with the rules of physics and magic itself

[ebon vapor]

elite ball knowledge 🥹

[fossil hollow]

One of the only manga i finished

[empty thicket]

okey okey

[fossil hollow]

do note thats just how I do it in my games and settings

[marble lion]

This is what i prefer

A lot cooler than it being just magical physical

[fossil hollow]

Yeah, i like my worldbuilding grounded rather than realistic

MonHun style

[empty thicket]

same, it lend you understanding how it work and how you can make it work

for creativity and trying stuff

[empty thicket]

"a mage did it"

[fossil hollow]

i hate that copout so much

[marble lion]

Imma punch you so hard you gonna think its magic

[fossil hollow]

If youre gonna give me "a mage did it" i would also like a biography for that mage thank you very much

(ofc, this is only if its for a worldbuilding perspective)

[empty thicket]

Campaing objective: Find the mage and kill him.

[fossil hollow]

(its not a mage who made owlbears in my setting anyway)

[valid geyser]

yeah ive definitely been on the side that weird animals can just kind of exist

[empty thicket]

i dont mind such animals existing

[fossil hollow]

i did keep the "meshed together by someone" lore, but its just not a mage.

But yeah, we literally have weirder animals IRL

[halcyon wolf]

Hey I'm looking for a party do one of you have a party I could join

[empty thicket]

A caso exist and i think it can be a deadly animal in a DND world, more if oyu add some fantasy on it

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[empty thicket]

a komodo dragon, terror kind of animal, make it x3 times it size and you get a dangerous beast

[daring pecan]

Baldurs gate 3 is my new obsession

[empty thicket]

OH true, there is a snail that live in volcanos already too

[halcyon wolf]

so i tried doing the pound looking for players in the find a game channel but it automaticly delets the message?

[fossil hollow]

Did you read the channel instructions

[empty thicket]

it literally have a metal shell around it

[halcyon wolf]

i thought i did maybe i missed something

[still plover]

Check the listings in #looking-for-players for games that want people, read the details, respond as appropriate and cross your fingers.

Type /looking and select the option for #looking-for-dm to advertise yourself as a new player in search of a group. Be sure to include your regular availability!

There are other Discord servers where people gather for games. You can find them in #looking-for-community .

Aside from here, you could also try LFG areas in sites like Reddit, Roll20 or the D&D Beyond forums to get started.

None of the looking channels take text directly. You have to go into the thread for a particular post to reply.

[halcyon wolf]

how do i go to athread?

k

[fiery nimbus]

how about a snail that casts Enlarge at its shell before rolling in it into players as an attack

I am truly disappointed that beasts don't have spellcasting because druids are a limiting factor

[jovial shadow]

I curious about the Warlock video game that they are releasing early 2027

[empty thicket]

I thought in more a snail that have some dangerous aura, in this case a fire aura and have so high AC but low speed

[fiery nimbus]

there are spells that do that

[daring pecan]

Same

[fiery nimbus]

Snail capable of casting 4 different Investiture of X spells?

[empty thicket]

Yeah but like a monster, a natural monster that have idk, runes in his shell that make him have that and is how it hunt or make it into a "defense" of some castle.

"The Slow Guardian"

[fiery nimbus]

Magic is natural...

frankly i am annoyed beasts are not using magic in spite of living in the magical world

[empty thicket]

a giant snail taht have an aura that kill slowly the people around him and eat those bodies for survive

[stray sage]

you should check out codex inversus, its basically a fictional biology textbook about a world where animals evolve to use magic

[empty thicket]

and the slime it left behind do the same damage than his aura making the arena into a more troublesome place.

[fiery nimbus]

Like for example why are there no insects that developed a form of pact magic by every worker insect drawing magic from the queen that is powered directely by the believe of her hive

or a form of Paper Wasps that build their nests out of magic scrolls and Grimoires

[empty thicket]

If killed properly, can salvage his shell for using it for an armor or item or the slime it left behind like a poison

[fiery nimbus]

there is a snail with a golden shell that can give you temporary hp when touched

[stray sage]

this is exactly what codex inversus does. For example there are necromancer bees that make their nests inside reanimated corpses, or ants that use abjuration magic to make indestructible nests.

[fiery nimbus]

how do they cast this abjuration magic?

[stray sage]

they do it with the shape of their nests, the winding patterns and tunnels ARE the spell

[empty thicket]

what?!

[fiery nimbus]

its name is Haungharassk

[fiery nimbus]

well yes so that accounts for verbal and somatic component, but what about the actual most important part of spellcasting
spell slot

[stray sage]

i took some inspiration on that for my setting. In my setting there is a special type of mammoth called a mammoth matriarch, which is basically a mammoth cleric worhsipping the moon as IRL elephants have shown religion

[stray sage]

oh it doesnt follow D&D rules directly, its not really a D&D content expansion just a spec evo project that takes inspiration from D&D

[fiery nimbus]

sadge, but i will look into it

[stray sage]

you should as its good for inspiration

[fiery nimbus]

wait a moment, its not a book at all, its a blog

[minor lake]

dawg with a blog

[stray sage]

blawg

[minor lake]

FROG WITH A BLOG

[stray sage]

frawg

[raven glacier]

Oh my goddess, you guys. Today is the first day that registration for the January D&D session at the library opened. Im laying down and wake up with a full start, my brain reminding me to register. I log on and there is only ONE slot left. Lady Luck has smiled upon me this day! Securing Tymora's spot as my first characters deity.

[solid spruce]

Dont really know what you are talking about, but congratulations ! You seem to be a lucky lad !

[meager fractal]

Which is worse poison or fire damage

[stray sage]

depends, which is more dangerous in game or which is more painful?

[buoyant oar]

Damage is damage. Unless it's dawizard

[fossil hollow]

Overall usability, poison tends to get the short end of the stick

ofc, campaign might change that

[fiery nimbus]

poisons are more versatile, but that also makes immunity to poison just better and more common

[solid spruce]

Id say poison

Immunity and résistance are more common

[fossil hollow]

Lots of the favorite enemy types (Undead, Elemental, Constructs, Fiends) are straight up Immune

[solid spruce]

And you cannot use it to interact with object

[solid spruce]

Aye

Both are Nice, depending on the use, but to choose, ill say it would really depend on the type of setting you are playing in. Like if you are making a rp heavy campain in a renaissance ariscocracy, control over poison is way more interesting than fire damage

[fiery nimbus]

Poison is martial's spellcasting

[solid spruce]

At low level, yes

[fossil hollow]

that would imply that spellcasting sucks at higher levels though :P

[solid spruce]

No, what i mean by that is that at higher level, there is many more mean for martial caracters to use effect and provoke conditions

[fossil hollow]

oh that was to MasterCookie's comment

[solid spruce]

Aye

[glossy flame]

The DM to the campaign im currently in added taxes and is detemined to make the party pay them.. as a rouge I can't accept that. Does anyone know how to comit tax fraud

[fossil hollow]

dont pay em

[solid spruce]

Depend on the system

Administration ? Use obscure laws, old politics and different country to mess with it

King and soldiers ? Avoid them, hide. Follow them, rob the money transport

[glossy flame]

i dont know what the system is he added a tax collector npc on our way back to the village after a quest

[solid spruce]

Hide the body

[glossy flame]

the npc is too powerful to fight

[solid spruce]

Then flee

Or hide yourself

Well, first of all, you didnt get off a good start playing a rogue 😉

[storm badge]

I am good at forgoring this: what are the ability score groups for modifiers

[shy stirrup]

Tax collection requires an assessment, usually voluntary, so lie on the assessment. Declare your net worth is 10gp. If the DM doesn't think to require an assessment, whose to say what your net worth really is? Hopefully you're PC isn't isn't wearing expensive clothes or jewelry.

[marble talon]

Have you considered money laundering? 🤔

[solid spruce]

Plus, as a rogue, you probably have expertise on either persuasion, deception or sleight of hand

[glossy flame]

I have -1 for deseption

[glass granite]

10-11 is +0
12-13 is +1
14-15 is +2
Continue that pattern

Or search up “Ability score modifier table”

[glossy flame]

and I might need deception to lie to the tax collector

[shy stirrup]

If the tax collector doesn't believe you, still need some kind of assessment. Unlike, say merchants, adventurers don't have fixed and obvious assets

[solid spruce]

If you cant use deception, use persuasion

Play with words

[glossy flame]

the system isa cosmic law organization run by a god

[glass granite]

Ah
Well, what is dnd without some god slayin’

[shy stirrup]

How convenient

[glossy flame]

true

[strong birch]

Hello!

[solid spruce]

Hello there laddie !

[valid geyser]

Bury the money outside of town

[strong birch]

Haiii!!

[glass granite]

Gooood morning afternoon evening!

[strong birch]

Afternoon

[solid spruce]

22:26 here

[glossy flame]

we are interacting with the tax collector rn

[valid geyser]

Then a plan for later

[shy stirrup]

If an omiscient tax god can instantly know the income or net worth of every individaul in the universe, well. Not much you can do about that.

[strong birch]

I’m somewhat new to DnD but I’ve gotten the hang of it

[glass granite]

Like, right now? You’re in a session?

[glass granite]

Hi somewhat new to DnD. I’m Nugget

[strong birch]

I’m evil Martyr, sup

I like support classes

[glossy flame]

no when we left off

[glass granite]

Ah ok

[glass granite]

I like monks and support classes.

[strong birch]

Are there any other support classes other than Bard(my goat) and Cleric?

[glass granite]

Artificers can be fairly supportive

[errant bramble]

druid and ranger can be support pretty easily.

[solid spruce]

Yeah, Druid are very good support

[errant bramble]

Any class can be made into a support I think, some are just a bit better.

[strong birch]

Ahhh oke

[solid spruce]

A well build paladin can support too

[strong birch]

Ty guys

I’ll try one out in my next campaign

[solid spruce]

What would be the « hard to make as support » classes ?

[midnight merlin]

Hi; I'm old school AD&D, finishing a Lvl 1-20 - 2014 adventure in a few weeks. Starting my first 2024/Eberron campaign (Level 1-20). D&D Beyond shows that I can get an Epic Boon instead of a normal ASI at both levels 19 & 20. (Level 16 Champion/ Level 4 Arcane Trickster.) Is this correct?

[solid spruce]

Barbarian

[errant bramble]

Do life domain cleric with enough levels in Druid to get circle of stars. Then use the starry chalice from Druid, and your heals become rediculous.

[glass granite]

Yes, I believe it is

[jagged vigil]

Hey guys! So, modern play has a coin problem that's often talked about. When PCs aren't interested in managing land, building strongholds, hiring armies and staff and specialists, and expanding their influence, there is precious little for them to do with treasure, and at some point it becomes disinteresting. What are some ways you guys have involved the incredible wealth of adventurers without making them engage in those things they're disinterested in?

[solid spruce]

Healing magic is peculiar in Dnd 5e. Not good enough by normal mean all the way until higher level, exept at the very beginning

[solid spruce]

Trading

Speculation

[errant bramble]

Pay them less, make basic things cost more, and make buying travel frequently a good option.

[solid spruce]

I created an undergound magic item auction

And they could bet on fights in an underground arena

[errant bramble]

Make an evil god that shows more interest in them, the more wealth they carry.

[valid geyser]

Yeah it’s most useful as a quick way to stop someone from dying

[solid spruce]

Exactly

[valid geyser]

And that’s probably for the best, healing shouldn’t outpace damage being dealt

[solid spruce]

No Indeed. But. Increase of healing possiblitity= increase of dmg being dealt

So more powerful encounters

[strong birch]

In my first ever campaign, I was dressing up as a Girl Scout, and one of the other players was a loaf of bread that somehow managed to look like a batch of cookies. The guy we were trying to trick wasn’t buying into my lies so I lokey rolled a 21 for intimidation and bro just stabbed a needle into his neck and transformed into a a monster so we lokey had to slime him out as level 7’s in 2 turns. 🤫✌️

[solid spruce]

What in the 9 hells did i just read

[jagged vigil]

In my current game I made the only carry weight limit depend on coinage (100xSTR in coins) to make the party spend their gold or work with bankers and moneylenders so they didn't end up leaving treasure they could've collected. Turns out, they're actually perfectly happy leaving treasure behind. Who knew

[strong birch]

He had 140 hp and 16 AC

[jagged vigil]

Fun stuff!

[valid geyser]

Yeah it’s certainly an old school approach and I’ve had fun with it in the past. Taking treasure out of the dungeon being half the battle and all that

[jagged vigil]

I do run a bit of AD&D 1e in addition to my 5e games

[errant bramble]

Make money cursed, and the more they interact with, the more corrupted they become. Are you sure you want to grab those coins to buy that crossbow? Is it worth it?

[strong birch]

Very fun. I lokey just turned invisible and let everyone else deal with him.

[valid geyser]

Ive been dealing with something similar in the pirate based game we’re in. We’ve had to put our extra trade goods in an offshore account so to speak which means burying it in a hidden island

[fiery nimbus]

that sounds quite pointless

[solid spruce]

Just put a cursed coin of disappearing Among the loot and Watch the horror unfold

Suspicion an paranoia on the board

[fiery nimbus]

actually, you would do better putting Hoard Scarabs into their coin

they have a special skill that broadcasts their location to every dragon within a mile

[solid spruce]

Works too

Favorit sadistic items : potion of poison, bag of devouring, cursed coin of ruin

For low to mid level parties

[strong birch]

Yes, I’ll make it look so balanced in the DM’s mind but they’ve fallen right into my trap. Heh…..they’ll never see it coming when I roll 66d4’s

[oak shoal]

That's evil and hilarious

[still plover]

"I'll go through the assassin's stuff for clues!"
"Cool, quick check, are you wearing gloves?"
"No?"
"Cool cool cool..."

Poor Alexis. That was the incident that benched him and started my playing career of disaster witches.

[solid spruce]

Randomly rolling for unrecognisable potion of poison every time they aquire potion of healing is a rare and délicate pleasure

[oak shoal]

How it feels to have so many character ideas but your only in 2 campaigns and one of them your dming

[solid spruce]

Like every other forever dm

Fallen too soon into shadow

[still plover]

Bake them into one-shots.

[oak shoal]

My leonin monk will forever stay in the shadows

[glass granite]

I’m currently clawing my way out of them
-# I was gonna replace “them” with “darkness” but that makes me sound hella depressed

[errant bramble]

Party immediately shoves NPC into bag of devouring to test limits.

[solid spruce]

It is pointless

[oak shoal]

You already can't survive in a bag of holding but okay

[errant bramble]

But this is a bag of Devouring. it must be tested.

Bag of holding is a known quantity. This new bag requires much more experimentation.

[oak shoal]

Imagine sticking your hand in your bag of "holding" only for you to pull out nothing. Not even your arm

[solid spruce]

You Will get out of the hole, only to realise you were but a frog in a well, in a dark; silent and seemingly infinite abyss.

[fiery nimbus]

that must be a mighty small NPC

[oak shoal]

I've shoved entire goblins in my bag of holding

[fiery nimbus]

bag of devouring has a limited opening, hence why its great to use as a portable guillotine

[oak shoal]

Question is how strong are the cutting properties? If I was in the middle of combat and put the bag over someone's head would it be an instant K.O?

[hushed mason]

In 3e, you'd probably need to successfully grapple, then pin before you can put the bag over someone's head.

[solid spruce]

Pretty much same in 5e

Depending on the dm

[fiery nimbus]

well cutting? thought it's just sucking strong enough to rip a head off of its neck

[solid spruce]

It is an dimensionnal Space, so i figure it would do the same as a portal closing on you

So cutting

[errant bramble]

Just gotta push hard enough.

[solid spruce]

Lets stop it there

[fiery nimbus]

" is a feeding orifice for a gigantic extradimensional creature"

[solid spruce]

So cutting ?

Oh wait, would the creature be an astral dreadnought ? In wich case you would be correct

[fiery nimbus]

again orifice can be anything, from sucking, melting, cutting, crushing
overall not a good times

[solid spruce]

Indeed

[sand hawk]

How do I use the looking for dm thing

[glass granite]

Type /looking-for dm

[hushed mason]

Nugget! The pigs are here!

[woven flint]

Oink.

[hushed mason]

We have a Boar named Sue.

[glass granite]

Tell them a random Niffler on the internet said hi!

[woven flint]

"Peter.. the horse is here" vibes

[elfin narwhal]

Guys, I made a character, and I wanted to have opinions on her but I'm super new to this and idk what to do...

I posted her in the art chat btw

[woven flint]

Welcome to dungeoning and dragoning

[hushed mason]

Couple of suggestions: #dnd-newcomers and then there's also a channel for builds, but I don't know what it's called.

[glass granite]

#character-discussion for the character sheet and overall character stuff and #dnd-arts-and-crafts for character art

[hushed mason]

Ah, there you go. That's the one.

[elfin narwhal]

Is character discussion for the story/personality stuff or just stats?

[woven flint]

I can't wait to play my Centaur Berserker Barbarian lad
Good ol' Jiddurn Moonscorched 🧐

His eyeball was burnt in a fight and it turned milky-white like a moon :>

[glass granite]

All of the above

[woven flint]

Yes,
A.
B.
C.
and
D. All of the above

You know the two classes I see played the least?
At least in the games I've been in?

Barbarian and Rogue.
I've played most of both that I've seen 💀

[glass granite]

I don’t see too many artificers in my games

[red steppe]

dnd is the best wargame ive ever played, tier 4 is so fun

[woven flint]

Mhh, I know a lot of Artoficer enjoyers I've played with held off with 2024 because they wanted to play 'new' Artificer when it was released

[coarse ravine]

Statistically the least class played is druid. But maybe theres been a new wave of interest because seen alot of druids lately. But druids overall are the least class played

[woven flint]

Wizards and Sorcerers are definitely the most common I've seen, mostly sorcerers

[coarse ravine]

Warlocks^

[woven flint]

Eh, I don't see many Warlocks, personally

[coarse ravine]

Fighter and warlocks is the most i see

[red steppe]

Im surprised cuz arent Druids good in general?

[woven flint]

All classes are good at things, yes

[coarse ravine]

Yeah second best class in the game behind wizards. However some people just dont like the vibe of nature

Also certain dms turn off new players to druids too soon.

[woven flint]

Druids and Clerics just have a bit more of an interchangeable role, but Clerics do what Clerics do better

[coarse ravine]

Correct

[coarse ravine]

Clerics cant do what druids do. Druids cant do what clerics can do

[woven flint]

I feel that's an incredibly biased take, even I love Druids, but even I admit they're rough to play

[coarse ravine]

Druids exploration and battlefield control with second best support. Clerics is the best support

[coarse ravine]

Depends on how ya use em... but rough may be your playstyle idk. Every class can be fun

[woven flint]

Clerics are also good with exploration because of divination spells.

[valid geyser]

Druids are, fine I guess
Used to really love them but their best thing is their spell list

[woven flint]

A Cleric doesn't HAVE to be there in person

[coarse ravine]

Yet druids are best with exploration

Wind walk you can cover everything you need to speed wise. Commune with nature etc etc.

[woven flint]

Even I don't think that because a Familiar can do Druid scouting better than a Druid.

[tame forge]

Feel like bard would give druid a run for its money as a supp class.

[coarse ravine]

A druid can also have a familiar with one of their wild shapes. Its literally the bread and butter of the class. Ranger and druids are the best explorers

[woven flint]

Druids are good at exploration, but they're not the best option

[coarse ravine]

Druids are the second best healers behind cleric. They can also change up their spells as needed. Bards cannot

[coarse ravine]

So your saying rangers are best option? Or rogue?

Druids by far are the exploration class they are s tier

[tame forge]

Yes druids make better healers than Bard. Bard makes a better supp class though in my experience.

[mystic shuttle]

Can someone help me understand a bit better how Eldarins work mechanically? Did they use to be one season all the time and now they do the changing thing?

[woven flint]

Just because you're opinionated on something doesn't mean that it's factual

If you want to get technical, ANYTHING with divination spells is just better at scouting than a Druid

[coarse ravine]

Hmm... what happens when ya run into a pack of animals?

Druids can speak to those animals and befriend them....

[woven flint]

Kill them?

[tame forge]

Murder them and use them as undead to scout with!!!

[coarse ravine]

Speak to the plants.....

[woven flint]

Or.. don't bother them?

[coarse ravine]

Yall ever talked to a leaf next to the dungeon? Cause I have lol

[red steppe]

What did it say

[tame forge]

Bard can !

[coarse ravine]

Yes bard is only top 5 because of magical secrets

[tame forge]

Bard can also speak with animals.

[mystic shuttle]

Pied Piper

[woven flint]

With my divination spells, I saw that those animals were there so I can tell my party to avoid going there without having to run off and come back or put myself in danger!

[red steppe]

Isn't it stuck with melee til Lvl 10?

[jolly hound]

I wanna make a character who’s a little kid what do yall think an interesting class for that be? Maybe warlock

[woven flint]

Also, anyone can take Druid magic initiate or Fey Touched and get speak with Animals if they really want it

[hushed mason]

As a mother, I think adventuring is a little too dangerous for little kids.

[craggy summit]

Warlock, rogue, sorcerer maybe?

[coarse ravine]

We knew duargar were in the dungeon with sort of strange lady.
"Dark short fat guys with some strange lady etc"

Turned out to be a succubus locked away

[tame forge]

Good thing she died.

[glass granite]

Wat

[coarse ravine]

Speak with plants bard, druid, ranger. Also a 3rd level spell. Honestly bard gets underated

[jolly hound]

It’s too dangerous in general💔 my cousin was ate by a beholder like 4 weeks ago

[woven flint]

Imma be real, even on my druids I never thought speak with plans was ever good enough to prepare

[knotty basin]

A lot of tables aren’t comfortable with kid PCs

Because most people don’t want to go into detail about children dying horrible deaths

[hushed mason]

And also because depending on the age of the player, it can be creepy.

[coarse ravine]

Depending on dm......... very much depending on dm.... maybe a nature check etc. However plant growth and speak with plants you can possibly try to get the plants to trip the enemy. Or entangle their ankles. Very very much depending on dm. But I always talk to the plants nearest our quest (encounter) location.

[jolly hound]

I gotta be honest I wanna try playing classes I haven’t before but warlock cleric and sorcerer and sooooo fun

[knotty basin]

Play monk next

[woven flint]

Exactly, dm dependant

[jolly hound]

I was actually thinking of it. Either that or artificer

[coarse ravine]

I just like versatility and I feel warlock and sorcerer lock me into a certain style. Everyone wants me to play them but I just cant get around being hand tied to those very few spells

[tame forge]

Week one at our table we got child slaves. Week 3 those children died horrible deaths along with my pc. Week 4 we revived said kid with eldritch magic and I ran her as my PC.

[coarse ravine]

Thats why i like druid and cleric

[woven flint]

Which, the dms not your enemy, but they aren't obligated to give you information just because you flirted with a leaf /hj

[knotty basin]

That’s why I didn’t say all

[tame forge]

Bard**** is most versatile class in the game

[coarse ravine]

Correct im telling you my playstyle.

[tame forge]

Bard*

[woven flint]

The most versatile class is CLEARLY Barbarian!!!!

[coarse ravine]

Nah its the druid

[knotty basin]

Nah, I think druid wins

[woven flint]

Because violence is a question
And the answer is yes.

[coarse ravine]

Been known for many years theirs even rap songs on it.

[jovial shadow]

I really enjoy the Monk. Warlock seems like it would be fun except it's too much to remember and I don't like the spell system (I don't like it in 5e in general tbh).

[jolly hound]

Funny way to spell barbarian

[knotty basin]

Can melee, fly, turn tiny, has a great spell list

[coarse ravine]

Have fun failing that frightened save. But with heroes feast (Druid, cleric spell. I think bard optional) no more frightened

[woven flint]

Me when Wizard can do literally all those things
All a wizard can't do is heal (typically) but I think Wizard absolutely Slams druid out of the ballpark, you don't even have to PREPARE rituals either, just have them in your spellbook

[coarse ravine]

Wizards cannot heal like clerics and druids

[woven flint]

I literally just said that

[coarse ravine]

Life transference only does so much.

[jolly hound]

What’s everyone’s favorite wizard subclass

[woven flint]

Bladesinger

[hushed mason]

THank-you for the correct use of the word "literally".

[coarse ravine]

Portent but evocation is cool. Fireball the party and no one gets hurt. + toll the dead is now save or half at level 6

[mystic shuttle]

Both are true, one of my first campaigns we were kids but they wanted to play an even younger kid and they were talking about wanting to bang dragons and stuff so I yeah I just have a thing of not allowing child characters at all

[woven flint]

Do.. do people not use 'literally' correctly? 😭

[coarse ravine]

With the right dm illusionist could be the best one. But thats with the right dm

[hushed mason]

40 year old guy wanting to play 12 year old girl? It's fundamentally creepy.

[jolly hound]

ya that’s nasty asf

[woven flint]

Insert thousand yard stare here

[coarse ravine]

I tried to get my gf to play and thats the first thing she asked. True story

"Would i be able to... etc etc"

[pallid haven]

Imma just speak the black speach for no reason

[coarse ravine]

Yeah the only acceptable answer is if they are lizardfolk. Cause they become adults i think at age 3.

Any other race you should be a adult.

[pallid haven]

Humans

[woven flint]

I... still think that's weird even if species age differently

[coarse ravine]

Lizardfolk is considered adult while a elf at age 33 is still a teenager

[jovial shadow]

I'm thinking there should be another abbreviation for "half joking", besides "hj'.

[coarse ravine]

Its just lore is all

[woven flint]

I can agree...

[coarse ravine]

They can be 5 years old but fully adult. So they'd be like a 25 year old human

[pallid haven]

A child adult?

[coarse ravine]

Yeah never knew hj meant that. Ive always thought the later when I seen it.

[woven flint]

I like to imagine that all Dwarves are born with beards.

[coarse ravine]

Lizardfolk are adults early age. So if you was like "im a 25-35 year old lizardfolk" you'd be old as heck

[coarse ravine]

Hahahaha even the women?

Saw Ai with dwarf women beards lol

[woven flint]

Yes, female dwarves canonically have beards

[pallid haven]

How Dee Doo young fellow kids

[woven flint]

All dwarves have beards

[coarse ravine]

Thats great

[pallid haven]

Rocks and stones

[red steppe]

💀

[frail wasp]

to the bone

[coarse ravine]

For a race that is usually in the mountains and less outside. Dwarves have some good hair

Outside getting that sunny D is important for hair

[jovial shadow]

And some women have facial hair in real life, albeit they go through extremes to get rid of them.

[woven flint]

I'm surprised it's not common knowledge that female dwarves grow beards like the male ones 😭

[coarse ravine]

Yes agreed. But not like braid my beard beard

[mystic shuttle]

Me personally, atleast based off yesterday from trying to make a cyberpunk character, for some reason I’m a bit uncomfortable playing female characters in tabletop games, it’s not that much of a problem in video games, if anything in the cyberpunk video game i think it’s really cool the gender differences that are there and the differences in how the characters are treated purely off that, it’s interesting and realistic but except when it comes to the dating stuff that’s a bit weird either way and doing it as the opposite gender it’s like “well, I’m not into men, and it’s kinda weird to be a dude playing a girl dating a girl, makes me feel like a creep” but in the tabletop yeah for some reason it’s even more weird even though I feel like I had really good ideas for that character that work more as a female.

[woven flint]

Honestly, I'd be jealous of a Dwarfs beard regardless of gender, but I'd compliment them on it

[coarse ravine]

My druid would be making them flowers to go in their beard hahaha. Straight up kids next door style with the candy

[hushed mason]

In general, the opposite gender thing isn't an issue. It's the child part that makes it creepy, IMO. But that's just me.

[remote wadi]

The beard is a dwarf's livelihood, can't blame you

[woven flint]

Oh, a little interesting tidbit, apparently halflings are incapable of actually growing facial hair

[lavish flame]

I've always liked the idea that each D&D species was basically an alien being that just shared the same world as each other. Dwarves growing facial hair feels like a biological trait that would fit for all dwarves

[jovial shadow]

I think many of the races/species came from different worlds anyway

[coarse ravine]

Yes adventurers should not be adventuring teenage years. Ill admit its weird when someone wants to role-playing that. We got lustful bard over here. Angry big man barbarian. A wizard who can DOMINATE anyone... Just not the right place for that part to say. "Hey yeah join us"

I was just speaking on lizardfolk lore only. But rare race pick anyways. I never see lizardfolk players

[valid geyser]

I don’t think it’s inherently weird for someone to wanna play a kid, because young characters are super common in movies and shows and all that, but the difference is that they have plot armor

[mystic shuttle]

Definitely I feel like the absolute youngest main characters can typically be in D&D type stories is like 15 and that’s still kinda eye brow raising but If their is a point to it then it’s passable

[woven flint]

My favorite thing about a species is that Minotaurs like to engrave markings and adorn their horns with ornaments and nothing is a higher treasure to them than their own horns

[hushed mason]

I also have a rule at my table about not hurting "innocent" children. It's one of two things that the PCs aren't allowed to do.

Which maybe interesting once they find the hatching room in the yuan-ti fortress they're in.

[woven flint]

They're also fully capable of killing an adult Orc at around like.. a Year Old lol

[short cedar]

My one party would not be happy

[coarse ravine]

There's that one smartest man in the world that knew all languages by the age of 6. Including aincient Hebrew and hyroglyphics along with old English. I can see a party bringing along a genius. But still doesn't make it right

[mystic shuttle]

Going to be like that RotS video game where the youngling room is the hardest part of the level

[coarse ravine]

I mean.... my sorcerer one of my players def just thunderballed a tent city.... he was tryna bring down the enemy. But still whiped half the tents

[hushed mason]

Yeah, not okay.

[valid geyser]

ATLA is the main thing I think about in this conversatio They all survive danger because there’s a writer that decides how it ends. Not so much in d&d

[coarse ravine]

Well... he will get bad rep at his next stop.

I just gotta figure it out....

[hushed mason]

A bad rep? He should be hung.

[coarse ravine]

Technically the enemy was creating havoc and killing others as well. So its like a yin and yang thing.

They could have easily taken him out without that 5th level thunderball tho

[mystic shuttle]

Depends on the context of the story heavily

[jovial shadow]

Do you include "children" as cubs of Kobolds, Troglodytes, Goblins and other breeds that include humans in their diet?

[coarse ravine]

Maybe not easily lol but still coulda got him

[red steppe]

Chronurgy or Divination

[mystic shuttle]

Yes

[valid geyser]

Tone of the game matters heavily, yeah

[woven flint]

Well, to be fair, children aren't inherently evil even if born of those species

[valid geyser]

I mean there is a reason most adventure modules don’t say that the monster hideouts include women and children

[hushed mason]

In my setting, kobolds and goblins don't eat peoples. Yuan-ti definitely do, though.

[coarse ravine]

Yeah I mean the Witcher travels with a child. Arya stark was a huge solo adventurer. But on the table still kinda weird

[coarse ravine]

Orcs and goblins gotta eat people. I can understand feywild goblins different. But yeah lizardfolk, orc, goblins diets thats them

Gnolls included. Your world tho I understand.

[hushed mason]

shrugs One can build a world where creatures do anything. I started with the idea of "what would this species look like if it didn't have to complete for space and resources?" There's a lot less eating of intelligent peoples.

Gnolls probably still eat people.

[coarse ravine]

Exactly your world do what ya want

[woven flint]

I think one of my favorite portrayals of a child hero is Shazam because instead of just letting it be a thing, other heros call into question "Hey? Are we sure we're actually okay with a child being a superhero? I mean, he could literally die, do we want that on our conscious?"

[coarse ravine]

Make goblins and orcs the good ones. Elfs and humans the bad ones lpl

[stray atlas]

so random thought

[jovial shadow]

Humans are never bad. /s

[hushed mason]

Goblins, kobolds, and orc are generally accepted in "civilized" human society, even if they are looked down on. Lizardfolk and gnolls... much less acceptable.

Humans are always bad.

[stray atlas]

would a magical sonic boom deal thunder or force damage?

[coarse ravine]

Isn't it like 5 kids? Or is it just one kid? I can't remember Shazam lol

[hushed mason]

Sonic damage!

[jovial shadow]

everyone understands the "/s" right?

[woven flint]

Don't make any species the "Bad" one ✨

[hushed mason]

Apparently not.

[valid geyser]

Normally just one

[hushed mason]

Is sonic damage not an option?

[tame forge]

Lucius is my favorite child hero. 🙂

[coarse ravine]

Certain groups of people are different then other groups of people. I agree

[stray atlas]

sonic damage isn't in 5e is it?

[valid geyser]

I mean it’s thunder damage but same difference

[hushed mason]

I wouldn't know.

[woven flint]

Nope, it's thunder here

[coarse ravine]

Kobolds on one side of the country can be different then the other kobolds

[jovial shadow]

/s = sarcasm (or sometimes satire)

[valid geyser]

It should’ve been called sound or sonic damage to stop confusion with lightning damage tbh

[hushed mason]

Yes, I understand that now. TBH, my eyes skimmed over it the first time.

[stray atlas]

personally I just wish there were more late game sources of thunder damage

[woven flint]

Sonic is more of an Older edition D&D (and still current pathfinder) name for Thunder damage

[hushed mason]

I see.

[stray atlas]

is there a single level 8 or 9 spell that only deals thunder damage?

[coarse ravine]

Metamagic adept 😉

Meteor storm thunder

[coarse ravine]

I mean... depending on dm with control weather

I think storm of vengeance is acid

[stray atlas]

how would weather deal thunder damage

thunderstorms create lightning not sound strong enough to harm

[woven flint]

The biggest counterparts I see are:
Sonic, Void, Spirit, Mental

Thunder, Necrotic, Radiant, Psychic

I feel like it makes more sense to call "Void" damage Necrotic damage because.. well... it just sounds right lmao

[jovial shadow]

I thought about a Thunder damage spell for magic initiate, but I decided it would be too loud to use in most cases where attention can be drawn.

[coarse ravine]

Technically speaking yes

[stray atlas]

which is?

if you say wish I'm throwing a book at you

[coarse ravine]

Shapechange you can so whatever... so technically that spell can go get a thunder damaging creature

[hushed mason]

They didn't say 'wish'...

[valid geyser]

Spirit damage in pathfinder is the replacement for alignment damage (good and evil damage before the remastered books) so it’s kind of both radiant and necrotic analog

Also for radiant there is vitality damage which is closer

But back to d&d

[woven flint]

Ah, word, I see 🧐

[coarse ravine]

I used the staff of thunder and lightning on enemies camp site to keep waking them up in a campaign. Making them not get sleep and suffer exaustion

[jovial shadow]

Ha!

[woven flint]

I wanna play In an Old Western campaign and literally just be revolver ocelot, I love him

[coarse ravine]

No armor just your gun holsters lol

[jovial shadow]

Boot Hill is a good source. And that's from AD&D

[woven flint]

Such a silly and oddly flamboyant man (he's literally me)

I should just play an Artillerist Artificer one day

[turbid vessel]

The better your AC the faster you can spin your revolvers to deflect attacks

Success on fireball save? You spin so fast that you fan part of the flames

[jovial shadow]

That's funny because I just got flashbacks of when Thor (comic book) used to do that with his hammer

[coarse ravine]

Now thats the mask

..... I gotta create a mask enemy hahaha. He sounds insane

Imagine jim Carrey as bbeg

[jovial shadow]

Jim Carrey was hilarious on In Living Color. In case no one knew, that's how he got his big break.

[turbid vessel]

Would be a great archfey that utilities chaos magic

[mellow stump]

Hey guysss

[coarse ravine]

Yeah he was a gem on that

[wide field]

Hi :)

[coarse ravine]

Hallucinitary terrain then just laugh at the party and vanish after they figure it out

[mellow stump]

I am

[coarse ravine]

Constant nonsense lol

[mellow stump]

Uh rather new

[wide field]

There’s a channel specifically for new players. #dnd-newcomers

If you’d like I can help you out there

[coarse ravine]

#dnd-newcomers or you can ask questions here either or. But might get flushed out by other topics

[mellow stump]

Ohh alright thanks!

[urban bolt]

What is that one creature that is like maybe a weasle or something, is def bipedal, and hordes scrolls?

I think? I vaguely rmember something about knowledge and scrolls or something

[valid geyser]

An arcanoloth?

[coarse ravine]

You can make it a onyx

[remote wadi]

Might be a hot take, but I think people are way too quick to make their character virtually identical to a video game or media, and it does affect their enjoyment in some ways

[urban bolt]

THIS

Thank you

[coarse ravine]

A onyx cant die lol...... so a cr 0 that cant die but is guarding the treasure lol

[valid geyser]

Happy to help

[coarse ravine]

I just realized recently the character in my campaign is playing some sort of anime character called megame or melamine or somethin. The thunderball character that blew up the tent city lol. Yes them

[valid geyser]

I mean it’s usually a taboo for people to do so

[remote wadi]

Don't get me wrong, it is a positive and often fun thing to have that character be the baseline for your character, but having it be the same thing means you're role-playing as them, not your character

In other words, you're robbing yourself of both creativity and what little identity you have, whether you realize it or not

[covert root]

Yeah, I try to discourage players from doing that. They can take inspiration, but to truly make the character and story yours, it actually has to be, well, yours.

[remote wadi]

Don't you mean explosion?

[valid geyser]

Very few games I’ve seen encourage people to play existing characters
Only like, the marvel multiverse RPG I can think of

Even most other licensed RPGs suggest you play your own original character in the world

[remote wadi]

Exactly. Heck, my first character and 2 more on the way do have inspiration from other characters. But that stops at some of their backstory, weapons, maybe their philosophy and outlooks on life. But there is still 60% of the character that is original, especially as the campaign goes on

The most obvious problem is that you're trying to ask yourself "What would I and my character do in this situation?" but rapidly turns into something predictable and not always a net positive

[narrow stag]

what if fireball was like triple the size

[marble lion]

Bigball

[valid geyser]

Also I think the fact is that d&d is not good at translating other fictional characters into the game helps discourage it

[woven flint]

Then it'd be Sunburst, which is literally triple the size of fireball

[narrow stag]

yo wait thats an actual spell?

[woven flint]

Yes

[glass granite]

Dw, I don’t think that’s a very hot take

[woven flint]

Does Radiant damage instead of fire, however

[narrow stag]

thats lowk just pure aura

[glass granite]

I allow it as long as they throw a twist on it, and as long as they don’t try to worldbuilding for me

[woven flint]

If I make a Light Cleric

It's just gonna be Solaire of Astora from Dark Souls

Hit 'em with that sun praising technique

[remote wadi]

My first character was actually pretty easy, but that's also because 2 of the main 3 factions in that game are reminiscent of a medieval northern country and an eastern dynasty. So making a bounty hunter into a Gloomstalker Assassin Nova build was something that was both somewhat optimal and something that my character would be

Especially because firearms are a semi common homebrew addition

[shy stirrup]

A not-insignificant number of questions in #character-discussion is basically "I want to play as Godzilla", they seem disappointed to learn that D&D does not provide for a giant fire-breathing lizard monster the size of a skyscraper as a PC

[blissful ibex]

if I did my math right, sunburst is 9x bigger than fireball (64 squares vs 576)

[remote wadi]

No, but it might be possible to play your own version of Bowser. Which, to be honest, would be fun to watch grow through a campaign

[narrow stag]

wild

[remote wadi]

Radius or area?

[blissful ibex]

area
20'r (8x8) vs 60'r (24x24)

[narrow stag]

what if you just made a tarrasque a player character

[static owl]

Hello, I’m curious about dnd. What’s the best way to get started?

[narrow stag]

like for the bit

[woven flint]

Shhhh....

You see, I'm what you call...
A Math-Magician, not a Mathematician

[blissful ibex]

#learn-to-play message
HIghly recommentd reading the first chapter of the free rules as it explains how to build a character
#dnd-newcomers can provide additional support if you have any questions on the content

[woven flint]

Do you folks ever feel like your character is the most sane person in your parties? 🤔

[blissful ibex]

If I Roll Played mine properly, she very much would not

[remote wadi]

We're all a little crazy, seems like

But hopefully, I won't be the only sensible one. Party is somewhat turning around

[static owl]

Thank you so much! I’ll definitely check it out.

[jovial shadow]

Yep but it's not used much since you don't get it until 15th level and by that time you have several Fireballs with higher slots anyway.

[narrow stag]

The aura you get from that is lowk better than practicality

[woven flint]

My Tortle Knowledge Cleric in Waterdeep works with four "Dirtbag" types of fellas, he's probably the only straight up Good-aligned person in the party, he doesn't seek for them to change their ways, but he'd like to educate them and help them learn from their mistakes to hopefully become better people, however, as mentioned, he doesn't seek to force any change amongst them or admonish them for what they do because he understands they do it to survive

[blissful ibex]

Except I main druid and we don't get much in the way of fireball esque effects XD
ours are all duration spells that trade concentration and needing 10 rounds for doing more damage per slot XD

[rough basalt]

can confirm even tho im not in the campaign, his cleric is the only good guy based on out of context hearsay

[blissful ibex]

firestorm is nice though

[woven flint]

Artanza is just an old librarian fella who found a group he'd feel safe traveling with, even if they're ruffians, he has full faith in them as people

Semi-Sweet old grampa vibes
He'd even pay their fees to bail them out of jail if they get arrested because he's grown fond of them

On a major plus side!
They were gifted an old bar/manor and they've actually been running it as a buisness as of last session, so he's proud of them

[covert root]

Use some Circle Magic and find out.

[blissful ibex]

gonna need 4 sub casters for that though XD

[covert root]

Yep. The hardest task for a wizard: making friends.

[blissful ibex]

you get more squares off widening a lightning bolt for the same number of sub-casters tbf

• 800 sq vs +512

[glass granite]

S-sure I can!
Casts animate dead

[blissful ibex]

sadly, those friends don't have spell slots

[glass granite]

Awww man

[blissful ibex]

gonna need wish and a handfull of simulacrum casts XD

[red steppe]

Do planar bound demons count

[covert root]

No.

[red steppe]

:c

[remote wadi]

Counterpoint: wish

[torpid ocean]

question for the dnd lore fanatics, is vecna more evil than lolth?

[red steppe]

Monkey paw'd

[scenic zinc]

More evil?

[torpid ocean]

yeah more evil, who's more monsterous, more twisted and, well, evil?

[snow agate]

Idk you should kill both

[scenic zinc]

I mean, they're certainly different in the ways they're evil. But I don't think either is more or less than the other.

[remote wadi]

Fortunately, wishing to find and be friends with other wizards is a small wish to make. And if memory serves, the rules state that getting monkey paw'd is more likely as the wish gets more specific

[snow agate]

Monkeys paws happen when you press the genie too much instead of asking for something they feel good granting

[remote wadi]

So wanting to find other good wizards and be friends with them is much simpler than creating your own, being friends with them, and making specifications on who they are, what they would cast, etc

[torpid ocean]

next time I use wish I'm gonna wish to add 1 extra electron to everything in the multiverse

[snow agate]

Next time I use wish I’m gonna wish for all dogs to be able to talk

[remote wadi]

Nah, I headcanon that genies will monkey paw by default. It's what makes Shenron the goat

[red steppe]

You can already do that btw with Shapechange

[snow agate]

A genie that monkeys paws by default is called a jerk and you should just kill him

[torpid ocean]

don't care, wish would be funnier lol

[remote wadi]

Yeah, and that means they will be capable of things like slurs and hate speech. THAT is something that can be easy and likely to monkey paw

[snow agate]

I would be extremely entertained if a dog did that

[scenic zinc]

In dnd terms that'd do nothing lol

[remote wadi]

Could you imagine the court cases and legal fees...?

[snow agate]

Giggling even

[torpid ocean]

sorry how

[blissful ibex]

Lore wise, aren't genies supposed to give you exactly what you want and then let you choke on it when you realize it wasn't what you wanted at all rather than doing the fae 'willfully misinterpreting your wish' sort of thing?

[snow agate]

What are you gonna sue a dog for? It’s dog food?

They don’t have anything

[scenic zinc]

Because science doesn't matter in dnd.

[remote wadi]

If they can talk, being sentient enough to have human intelligence is also likely

[hushed mason]

I have a Boar named Sue.

[torpid ocean]

my point still stands

[rough basalt]

also the lady of pain would cancel the wish

[snow agate]

Yeah the cruel monkeys paws are more the realm of Faustian pacts rather than genie wishes, the genies are usually neutral unless you’re being a jerk about it

[remote wadi]

That would be possible, but now you have destroyed all present and future life, thus ending the campaign

[errant bramble]

Whats a Faustian pact?

[torpid ocean]

I'm gonna wish for every hostile god to get precisely 372 kicks to the shin byt he lady of pain

[scenic zinc]

Enjoy your str being reduced to 3 and possibly losing wish for nothing lol

[snow agate]

A deal with the devil

[scenic zinc]

Deal with a devil

[errant bramble]

Ah

[hushed mason]

Are you not familiar with the tale of Faust?

[errant bramble]

Not at all.

[hushed mason]

It's the subject of several operas.

[scenic zinc]

Todays youth

[woven flint]

My wish?

Hug Baphomet, I don't care if it kills me, I just need a hug

[torpid ocean]

YAYYYYYYYYYYYY

[errant bramble]

Not a big Opera watcher.

[snow agate]

My wish is erm uhm erm I want to make sure my friends are ok

[torpid ocean]

I would wish to spawn 400 tarrasques in sigil fr

[scenic zinc]

My wish is whatever 8th level or lower spell that's the best option at that time.

[woven flint]

Man, screw my friends, I'm having a slumber party with the Demon Lord's
We're having EVIL Hot Cocoa.

[blissful ibex]

must be wished for while doing for maximum effect

[scenic zinc]

I'm not about to lose wish.

[remote wadi]

Why not wish for a cleric who is both a master of healing and good natured?

[errant bramble]

Or, you know, I just don't care much for history, and have to much going on in my life currently and in the past to worry about such things.

[snow agate]

I already know him he’s in the party

[torpid ocean]

which canon dnd character would you have a sleepover with chat

[snow agate]

This is why wizards deserve paladin abuse

[blissful ibex]

Then just have someone else wish that you didn't lose wish

[scenic zinc]

Way to take a joke way too seriously and personally.

[remote wadi]

So why not just ask the cleric and the rest of the party to stay friends for as long as they want to be?

[errant bramble]

Sorry, your right,

[snow agate]

Cuz they can’t help all my friends

[woven flint]

I'm not a Wizard.

I'm the Monk..
I just found a ring of three wishes and wondered how soft Baphomets fur would be

[snow agate]

This is why sub-14 int doesn’t deserve magic items 😭

[remote wadi]

I... don't know any Canon characters, and it should probably stay that way in case of CoS spoilers

[errant bramble]

Bit a little deep with stuff goin on rn. My fault for taking it so serious.

[torpid ocean]

hey I main wizard bro why

[blissful ibex]

What is, canonically, the floofiest monster in DnD

[snow agate]

Probably a sheep

[scenic zinc]

None, because I decide what's canon.

[torpid ocean]

sleepover with vecna would go incredibly, irrideemably hard

[rugged hawk]

So out of curiosity, if a character had a.... let's say, alternative.... perception of reality, how might that affect their Wisdom?

[snow agate]

I’m not saying it’s all wizards, but it’s always a wizard

[scenic zinc]

WotC can come up with stories all they like. Nothing is canon.

[remote wadi]

Uhhh... looking at the summary, idk how

[snow agate]

Insane demons have high wisdom scores, sanity isn’t related to wisdom

[knotty basin]

You know what canon means, right

[torpid ocean]

I mean NPCs you goose

[scenic zinc]

You're not about to change my mind on this.

[snow agate]

So true and real (idk what u mean)

[scenic zinc]

I'm aware of that

[scenic zinc]

The lore they create is just a story. Nothing is canon unless a dm decides to integrate it into a game at a table.

[torpid ocean]

yeah but like.. pre-existing characters.

WHAT PRE-EXISTING DND CHARACTER WOULD HAVE A SLEEPOVER WITH

[scenic zinc]

Yeah... but like they don't exist unless I decide they do.

[rugged hawk]

I hear what you're saying. Common sense is included beneath Wisdom. As an example, let's say someone accurately perceives reality as it is, but has a completely different interpretation of what they're seeing. They know what's real and what isn't, but their viewpoint on reality is from a completely alien angle to any rational being's.

[valid geyser]

Tbh I think that’s kinda redundant to the definition of canon
I’d say it more as “What’s canon only matters it the DM decides it so”

[errant bramble]

Displacer beast. Pull so many pranks.

[snow agate]

Idk probably Bruenor since he’s just a regular dwarf and wouldn’t trauma dump during the sleepover

[torpid ocean]

J0EWJBNVH8FDKNV ;,JVciukjh[

[vale sage]

Last night I joined a table at a game shop for DnD and after the session the DM said there was going to be a new campaign starting next year and that it’ll be Greek themed and for anyone who shows up to play to just bring a level 1 character. I asked if there was anything else that needed to be brought or known and he said that more information would be on the DnD discord iirc. Does anyone know what he’s referring to and/or where I should be looking on here? Or if I’m looking for information that doesn’t exist here too ig

[scenic zinc]

And are no more or less valid than what I come up with.

[snow agate]

That’s crazy if he’s not just gonna give you an actual run down

[torpid ocean]

I would have a sleepover with vecna, he seems like a fun guy to talk to

[red steppe]

Vecna is Lawful Good in comparison to Mystra

[valid geyser]

In your game, yes. But I think for discussions of canon as it pertains to what is published I don’t think your definition really adds to that conversation

[torpid ocean]

worst sentence oat

[cerulean mica]

I haven't seen anything Greek themed in #looking-for-players but I cant say for sure

[valid geyser]

Like yeah I agree I don’t adhere to what’s written but it feels like a misnomer to call what flies in my games as “canon”

[torpid ocean]

what the flippity flap jack FRACK are you talkingabt

[errant bramble]

They might have had a DnD group and thought you were in it.

[scenic zinc]

It's an important distinction to understand. People coming to a table and going "X species is like Y because the book says so!" is silly. Just as silly as asserting a given character must act Y way because Z book describes them that way.

[snow agate]

Having abnormal priorities is moreso a difference in rationale rather than related to a wisdom score. Take a religious fanatic for example. They can be fully self aware and know what they’re doing, but since they see things through a different lens and have different priorities, it can be an accurate perception of reality whilst leading to a different interpretation. If that makes sense

[rugged hawk]

Greek campaign? inb4 DM PC named Zeus with Bard levels.

[coarse ravine]

Yeah names Megamin or something idk. But one of the other pcs said it out of character after they figured it out. But yeah u guess I accidentally allowed that lol

[rugged hawk]

As an oft-cultist myself, I totally get your thought process here. Makes sense.

[scenic zinc]

It's not. It's canon for your table. And each table has their own canon.

What WotC creates literally isn't canon. It's inspiration for others to utilize.

[knotty basin]

Again, do you know the definition of the word canon

[scenic zinc]

Go away.

[coarse ravine]

Facts!

[valid geyser]

And I think we’re running off two contradictory versions of what canon means

[rugged hawk]

Which is odd, since there's only one definition in the dictionary

[knotty basin]

??? You don’t own this discord

[valid geyser]

Also I should say there’s a hierarchy of canon, and things that may be canon to one source aren’t canon to another
Like BG3 canon not inherently being canon to forgotten realms in the novels

[scenic zinc]

I'm asking you to not act like I'm a moron by continuously asking a rude question.

[snow agate]

I would say that when it comes to processing the world, a low wisdom comes into play in more of a character-flaw way than an interpretation of reality way. Imagine a foolhardy or airheaded individual, or a garish fop, or a hotheaded party girl, generally clueless or witless people

[cerulean mica]

beating the minesweeper in your bio drastically improved my night

[scenic zinc]

There's no hierarchy.

Each game is it's own microcosm.

What WotC creates is just inspiration for each of those games.

[woven flint]

If D&D has any "canon" it's a loose Canon and can be interpreted differently by other people.
Also, each edition has contrary lore anyway

[scenic zinc]

As does each setting in each edition.

[woven flint]

Indeed

[empty thicket]

there is always "marks", points on it

like only a tarrasque when there is a big chaos, A vecna, X gods, etc. etc.

[woven flint]

There's canon that's commonly agreed upon
Like how much of a jerk Lolth is

[knotty basin]

WotC seems to disagree

[scenic zinc]

-# She's better than Corellon

[woven flint]

I'm just Lolths number one Hater

[snow agate]

The real question is which god is the most fun god

[woven flint]

That depends on opinion.
I think Bahamut is pretty fun

[upper condor]

Brahma? I guess

[woven flint]

Bahamut is literally.. what.. the lord of flowers? Isn't that one of his titles?

[scenic zinc]

You seem like the kind of person who tells people they're having fun wrong.

[empty thicket]

i dont know them, but i would go for something related to blacksmiths and merchants

[snow agate]

I would go with ilmater because he’s the god of suffering but he’s good aligned, so I imagine there’s a dark souls esque mentality to it

[rugged hawk]

Well, I was going along the lines of the flaw being a... sort of inner compulsion, let's say, to be a 'contradiction in a world of conformity', even at the expense of personal safety, the safety of others, the delicate balances that are being disturbed by doing so, and so forth.

[valid geyser]

And I think my greater point is that your point doesn’t mean anything for 99% of discussions on what relates to canon, since canon more relates to external d&d media or what’s been officially written down in sourcebooks and is treated as fact

[blissful ibex]

Just form a cult/cabal to Zuggtmoy in the underdark or something to mess with her

[upper condor]

Fun God would be someone who fights to keep having fun?

[scenic zinc]

treated as fact

Is the exact reason why it's such an issue to call it canon.

[upper condor]

@scenic zinc the source book is the true canon, anything else is a tangent

[snow agate]

Without being specific this could either be a rebellious hero or a terrorist or an iconoclast or a junkie who steals from gas stations

[empty thicket]

That is something i like, you can give some interpretation to some gods and what they aboard.

[woven flint]

I'd spread Baphomet glaze

[rugged hawk]

What if it was a dracolich-worshipper who hates how everyone's locked in what is essentially a soul recycling system by the gods?

[red steppe]

What happens if you diss Mystra

[snow agate]

I think you read the same inspiration as one of my former DMs because there was an emperor who basically had enough of the gods and turned the empire into an empire of undead and waged war against the gods leaving most of them dead and the empire in ruins

[scenic zinc]

You're certainly welcome to treat your table as though that's the case. Have fun.

[rugged hawk]

Nothing, Mystra's too busy sleeping with Elminster and Gale

[red steppe]

The Mystra Island fr fr

[woven flint]

Oh no...

[rugged hawk]

Nope, haven't read something like that, but sounds cool.

[woven flint]

I don't like Mystra. But I feel that's a very common take about her lol

[scenic zinc]

It should be mentioned those were different Mystra's.

[snow agate]

Ngl mystra being interested in gale lowered her coolness factor by like 5 levels

[empty thicket]

Never ending "almost sneeze", congrats, permanent curse

[rugged hawk]

Let's be real, Mystra's a dirty sloot who sleeps with ALL her Chosen

[scenic zinc]

She wasn't. She was manipulating him.

[snow agate]

Anyway I would call that a logical rationale so any wisdom works

Tho it’s probably some form of evil

[red steppe]

They not like us, they not like us

[woven flint]

My Warlock in Vecna Eve of Ruin's Patron is Mystra, though lmao
He doesn't care for her either, but he's a drow and made a pact with her to escape Menzoberrenzen

[rugged hawk]

.....I hadn't considered that, but that's actually....huh, that could be completely valid

[snow agate]

Imagine being a god of magic and you need to manipulate mortals to do stuff

[scenic zinc]

It's a fact, lol. It's even in the game.

[scenic zinc]

Ao kinda requires they do that.

[snow agate]

L Ao

[knotty basin]

There’s a word for that. Starts with a C

[rugged hawk]

Wouldn't know, haven't gotten past Act 2 yet

[scenic zinc]

Yeah. For that game

Thank you for proving my point.

[knotty basin]

Like skittle was saying, there’s a hierarchy

[scenic zinc]

Stop talking to me please.

You're honestly just ragebaiting.

[knotty basin]

You have a block button

[red steppe]

"Give me freedom
Give me fire
Give me Chosens to sleep with or I retire" ahh Goddess

[rugged hawk]

Well, she isn't forcing her ideals on others or intentionally harming people, just pursuing her goal and spreading her philosophy regardless of what consequences might happen to everything if she succeeds.

Chaotic Neutral at worst, probably

[snow agate]

Reckless endangerment is sometimes a felony or gets you shot for a reason :p

[rugged hawk]

Reckless endangerment is more chaotic than outright malice, though.

[red steppe]

She's worse than Lolth in my books, she removed the actually good spells

[snow agate]

Ig

I’d still send adventurers to go defeat her anyway

[blissful ibex]

I mean, the 'good spells' are what caused her to need to do it in the first place

[red steppe]

The BBEG is Mystra, Elminster will be the villain of the week

[rugged hawk]

I mean, obviously, she's a dracolich-worshipper who also sometimes uses undead, so adventurers being set on her wouldn't surprise me in the least.

[scenic zinc]

Well... no. There was only one 12th level spell ever.

She could have left 10th and 11th around

[red steppe]

Oh uh i meant the 10th level and above ones, i assumed she removed those too

[snow agate]

Make sure to include the diplomacy route where the party can win her good side and talk her down from radical extremism to a more measured approach of starting an undead kingdom for people who want to opt out of the divine death cycle

[blissful ibex]

Woopsie, lemme just ||usurp the ONE DIVINE actually doing something about the apocalyptic thingamjig|| and utterly wreck everything intantly

[scenic zinc]

She didn't remove them. More like she restricted access to the weave to where it's not possible to access enough magical potential to cast them.

[red steppe]

Ah alrighty

[scenic zinc]

Or that's one version of it anyway. They've changed it over time lol

Which is part of why it doesn't really matter what they say

And you can kinda just pick and choose what's true when you decide to include things in your game.

[naive cedar]

hasnt there been like 3 mystras

[scenic zinc]

And a mystral

And a midnight

[naive cedar]

is that a fourth mystra?

yeah midnight became bg3 mystra i believe

[red steppe]

2 of them were terrible, the 1st one was decent

[red steppe]

Pretty sure its just three

[naive cedar]

current one is also p bad

"hey ex boyfriend, blow urself up. k bye"

[scenic zinc]

Mystral -> dead -> mystra -> dead
Midnight -> dead -> mystra

[knotty pasture]

Midnight gives terrible advice and should never be trusted but is otherwise decent

[red steppe]

Ao be granting anybody Godhood atp

[knotty pasture]

Like she's not doing bad or being nefarious

[rugged hawk]

It isn't simply about whether being undead should be allowed, but the concept of mortality being optional, in whatever kind of form you can achieve that extends existence. The Planes are supposed infinitely vast, from which souls are spun, flung out into mortality, then reabsorbed. If these Planes are literally infinite, then there's no good reason everyone has to be reabsorbed, at least until they want to be.

[naive cedar]

ao is like "dont get involved with mortal stuff!" meanwhile

[red steppe]

Those were her reincarnations as in not actual resurrections?

[scenic zinc]

So really only 2 Mystra's. But the 1st one is from mystral and the 2nd is from midnight

[naive cedar]

so wait, the current mystra isnt midnight?

[blissful ibex]

IIRC, they take the (you can kill the entity behind the concept but so long as the concept is still worshiped, it will just spawn another entity) route of divinity

[red steppe]

Proceeds to grant the most unqualified people in abeir-toril godlike power + portfolios then goes out to buy milk

[scenic zinc]

She both is and isn't

[naive cedar]

im a bit hazy on modern dnd lore