dnd-discussion

[old sluice]

That was not actually an assumption. Paladins in 3.5 were hard-required to be Lawful Good and the mechanical punishment for evil actions or associating with evil was gruesome

[woven flint]

Yup, in the UA for new Oathbreaker, for whatever reason..
They have tenants

[reef tundra]

Well

[chilly narwhal]

Oathbreaker who breaks the pursue power at all costs tenant to be needlessly petty

[proper forum]

Maybe if I had enough time... I have made 20 characters and I am more than willing to use them

[knotty basin]

Is it just me or are oathbreakers a lot stronger than other paladins

[woven flint]

I'm needlessly petty without tenants or oaths!
Where the hell is my divine power?!

[old sluice]

"Pursue power at all costs" is a tenet: A devil offers you the power to cast fireball in exchange for cutting off your arms and legs. You have to accept.

[woven flint]

Mouth fireball

[proper forum]

It's not just you. They are insanely good damage dealers.

[knotty basin]

I’d argue that’s a net loss of power because, yk, can’t walk

[chilly narwhal]

Or just don’t do it. That’s why they are called oath breakers /j

[stuck shuttle]

imma firin’ mah laser…

[silent estuary]

am i the only one that find Critical Role insufferable? I feel like all the/much of the laughter is forced and so irritating. Especially that one woman (but idk which one) just gets me on the edge. I had to stop watching early onto the video bcs of it all.

[proper forum]

But you know who else is an insane damage dealer? My new hexblade warlock drow.

[woven flint]

NO!!!!
don't take me back!

AAAAUUUGHHH...
I was but a wee child!!!!

[uncut zenith]

CR ain’t for everyone. Nothing wrong with that

[proper forum]

I just don't watch it because it's sooooooo loooooooong I can't pay attention literally I cannot

[uncut zenith]

Everybody enjoys and dislikes different forms of media

[stuck shuttle]

The cruel hand of nostalgia spares no one

[chilly narwhal]

I also don’t enjoy it very much, but you can always watch something else.

[buoyant oar]

I am ambivalent on CR. Their stories are good. But. It's like let's plays for me.

Why watch when you can play.

[proper forum]

Or just do what I do and watch nothing at all

[uncut zenith]

I enjoy CR, I just struggle with the runtimes

[woven flint]

The only TTRPG group I enjoy is Narrative Deceleration, but I've only watched their Pathfinder games lol

[silent estuary]

Well you can watch at any time, while arranging a play is rather hard

[reef tundra]

Same

[proper forum]

Oh so you agree that the episodes are way too long

[chilly narwhal]

I just rewatch princess and the frog or watch some foreign soap opera

[buoyant oar]

Arranging play can be rather easy.

[silent estuary]

any reccoms?

[uncut zenith]

It’s kinda why I prefer Dimension20. I can handle a weekly 2hr episode way more easily than a weekly episode that runs anywhere between 3-6hrs.

[stuck shuttle]

I don’t watch it personally. Im sure I could like it but if I’m watching a game for that long I’d rather be an active participant

[silent estuary]

id rather disagree

[woven flint]

Gotta love me sone Tanhauser rants...

[proper forum]

I just watch whatever my parents think we should watch.

[reef tundra]

It varies in difficulty

[buoyant oar]

It just requires some finesse. And some brute force.

Like "Hey game is on Wednesday at 6PM CT. If you can't make it consistently then you cannot play in this game."

[chilly narwhal]

I really like just roll with it as they do dnd campaigns that I’m not brave enough for

[old sluice]

My favourite episode of Critical Role is The Path to Whitestone.

[woven flint]

Folks...

Plasmoid Bard named Oozie Oozeborn

Ponder it.

[buoyant oar]

Having a strict time that seldom moves will do wonders for people's games.

[minor cargo]

This seems to be kind of the sweet spot.

Years and years ago, I experimented with taking 3 hour sessions and hard cutting them to 20-30 minute episodes (like a traditional TV show). Looking at feedback, it seemed like that's too aggressive for most folks (it felt too squeezed).

[reef tundra]

I watch stuff like The Rolls we made and dungeons and daddies

[silent estuary]

U say that because you have some authority i suppose- i on the other hand, have limited people (small school and city). If i made such statement i would be the one suffering from this

[knotty basin]

The what

[proper forum]

If you are looking for players to play D&D irl, put up a poster saying "who wants to play D&D? Call this number" and then put your number or one of your socials. When enough people call you arrange a place and time where you can all meet. Maybe this can just a first meeting, or it could be session 0. That's how I met my current group.

[woven flint]

Both sound like Rom-Coms lol

[buoyant oar]

I always recommend online play in these scenarios. If there is an issue with available people in an area that is where online play works.

[chilly narwhal]

That’s actually an amazing idea. Especially because I live in a tiny village and I’ll know whoever shows up

[old sluice]

Dungeons and daddies does not sound like a rom-com at all

[reef tundra]

I just like the 1-2 hour sessions and smaller groups

[uncut zenith]

In some campaigns, it’s especially tough because like… not every session feels like it’s going to be particularly important to the story you’re trying to show the audience, if that makes sense. Another reason I prefer Dimension20 is that they kinda “trim the fat” and typically stick to showing the important/funny parts of a session, whereas CR shows their whole session and a lot of time they spend that time just doing inside jokes or doing a dreaded shopping session.

[silent estuary]

i guess that might help

[woven flint]

I didn't ask you, now did I? 🧐 /j

[reef tundra]

I would say they’re smaller podcasts but dndads has been on world tours and stuff so I’d be lying

But they had smaller beginnings, both casts were new to dnd when they started

[buoyant oar]

As for authority the only authority I have is as the DM. Game can happen without a player. It can't happen without a DM. So I run when I am available. And set it consistently.

[old sluice]

Fair enough

[chilly narwhal]

I like to be more flexible as I mostly play with friends and don’t want to be overly formal/create a dynamic where I have authority.

[snow zephyr]

There's something to be said about the differing philosophies behind either podcast, but it's important to denote the difference between those podcasts and the game as it is

[uncut zenith]

Oh yeah. Ultimately Dimension20 understands they’re putting on a show for an audience to watch, while CR still operates under the core premise that they’re playing their campaign as they see fit and we just get to watch.

[vernal owl]

i wish to run a fear and hunger themed campaign when im more experienced in dnd

the games are so good

[uncut zenith]

Both tables are playing the campaigns they want to play, but the former knows its job is to be entertainment for others while the latter knows its job is to be entertainment for themselves that we just get to watch.

[chilly narwhal]

I’ve found that campaigns are difficult when I’m the one in charge and not the facilitator of a fun time. I think sometimes people can, when given authority and power, become too rules based and use that authority to create a power difference that doesn’t allow for players to have fun.

That’s just for my games and for me. All groups are different and whatever works best is what works best.

I’ve noticed that when a dm views it as the "my way or the highway" it feels more like a manager. That’s just my experience and it’s not the only experience or even the majority experience.

[lavish flame]

I've been enjoying the Campaign 3 Abridged stuff they've done, where they trim each episode down to about 2 hours. Thats much more digestible

[chilly narwhal]

I agree! I actually enjoy critical role more than dimension 20 for that reason, even though neither are my thing.

[stark arch]

"Wedding. You touch adult humanoids willing to be bonded together in marriage. For the next 7 days, each target gains a +2 bonus to AC while they are within 30 feet of each other. A creature can benefit from this rite again only if widowed." does this creature needs to be alive? does undead work as wel?

[uncut zenith]

Undead are categorically not Humanoids, so that doesn’t work

[vernal owl]

i dont think so, but we need a divorce spell in dnd 💯

[uncut zenith]

And dead things aren’t considered creatures, so that also doesn’t work

[snow zephyr]

I cast child support

[stark arch]

they are creatures...

[uncut zenith]

Banishment /j

[uncut zenith]

Corpses aren’t considered creatures for the purpose of rules interactions, no

[stark arch]

zombie or a skeleton is a creature

[uncut zenith]

Yes, Undead creatures

[stark arch]

so they are creatures

[uncut zenith]

Yes. But an unmoving/non-animated corpse or skeleton is not a creature.

A skeleton is only considered a creature once it has been animated into an Undead creature. Until that moment, it’s not a creature.

So back to your point, if a spell targets at least one creature, it’s safe to assume the creature has to be animated and/or living. And in the case of Ceremony’s Wedding option, it only targets Humanoids, which is a specific type of creature that Undead creatures are separate from.

Technically with that spell, you wouldn’t even be able to give the Wedding feature to an elf and a satyr, for example, cuz the satyr is Fey and not Humanoid.

[blissful dragon]

i had a world building idea last night that flesh golems are a contested issue amoung the arcane community not cause of the moral reason but cause people cant agree on if flesh golems should be classifed under the constuct or undead creature type

[old sluice]

Translation: Can't marry a zombie, can't marry a corpse, can't marry a vampire, can't marry a golem, can't marry an angel, can't marry a succubus, can't marry a hag.

[snow zephyr]

The tax code defines them as undead, but the textbooks call them constructs

[old sluice]

There is an easy way to find out. Have someone cast a detection spell.

[blissful dragon]

the gods are also debating the issues in the divine courts

[reef tundra]

Watch me try

[old sluice]

Why don't the gods also cast a detection spell that would immediately tell them?

[snow zephyr]

Due to plot- related problems, the spell short circuits and detects the caster as undead

[uncut zenith]

If I were to reword the Ceremony spell for 2024, I’d just have it reworded to say the targets can be two creatures who aren’t Constructs or Undead as opposed to only Humanoids. Especially now that we’re getting playable species of different creature types.

[old sluice]

That seems like a far more urgent matter than figuring out whether flesh golems are undead or constructs

[old sluice]

Honestly I would keep it like that.

[snow zephyr]

Not if what's causing the problem is the magical definition being in flux

[old sluice]

The magical definition of what?

[snow zephyr]

Of what a flesh golem is

It would make for a fun campaign

[old sluice]

Well then, that solves it. Flesh golems are neither undead nor construct. The magic proves it

They are their own thing

If the magic that should tell you whether they're undead or construct doesn't work that means they are neither so there is no debate

[snow zephyr]

Then they'd be a separate creature type

Which in and of itself is a whole thing

[still plover]

Humanoid or monstrosity. Affects your tax liabilities.

[blissful dragon]

other idea the flesh golem in the 2014 dnd is just a example of a poorly or hastily made flesh golem and a more skilled and patient golem maker can make the stitches and general appearance look less uncanny valley

[fresh bloom]

A guard is tasked with escorting a goblin bard, a mischievous and playful villain with a classic Harley Quinn aesthetic, to a dungeon.

How much precaution should be taken, and how restrained does it make sense for it to be?

[woven flint]

Well, since flesh golems are classified as GOLEMS, I think it's a pretty open and shut case as to if it's a Construct or an undead

It's a Condead!

[stark arch]

ohh i always wanted to marry a succubus

[knotty basin]

death

[woven flint]

Trust me, you don't.
They'll kill you

[stark arch]

death by snu snu 😄

[woven flint]

I dunno, that's probably not how they kill you, exactly...

[idle oar]

Let’s keep things appropriate folks

[still plover]

Are they a known flight risk or accused of violent crimes?

[knotty basin]

What CR is the guard?

[woven flint]

Gag him and tie his hands.
Kinda how you deal with every spellcaster.
Gag for verbal components and the tie for somatics.

[fresh bloom]

Well, she participated in the kidnapping of people from a village as a henchman for a villain from another campaign.

But she was more of a gamer, taking everything she did as a game.

[knotty basin]

What about material spells?

[woven flint]

There's no spells that's ONLY cast with material, even then, it's already assumed that materials are taken.
Because they've been arrested

[old sluice]

Known to be a spellcaster?
Then of course bind the hands thoroughly. Chains around the feet to limit movement. Search them beforehand, take away all clothing and possession, give them prisoner's rags to wear. Put a gag around the mouth to prevent vocal components.

[still plover]

Yeah, this. And a prisoner's smock, too. And two guards.

What distance are they travelling?

[old sluice]

Many spells can only target a creature the caster can see. So a blindfold may be a good idea

[woven flint]

Bards are actually pretty dangerous if the gaurds are humanoid or not immune to charms as well

[stiff jewel]

New Changeling Eloquence Bard is going to be nuts to balance at a table.

[uncut zenith]

Ultimately anything you can do to cut all senses and remove their components is the best way to stop a caster

[old sluice]

Of course if the prisoner is not to be treated with dignity... You can always cut out their hands and tongue.

[sullen ingot]

As long as you don't value your alignment!

[uncut zenith]

In my setting, guards even have gloves that not only bind the casters’ hands, but also lock their fingers in place

[shy stirrup]

Remind me not to get captured by you

[old sluice]

From an ethical point of view, it's horrible. But you can't argue with those results

I assume some nations treat spellcaster prisoners this way

[woven flint]

Also, if you can afford it!
Maybe hire a wizard who can cast silence on the cell occasionally if absolutely needed

[knotty basin]

Really? There’s no spells without components?

[chilly narwhal]

Poor prisoners

[uncut zenith]

I imagine it would depend on the nature and severity of their crimes

[old sluice]

Don't worry. I do not take prisoners.

[woven flint]

No.
There's no spells that are ONLY cast with material components, not all spells need them, either.

[uncut zenith]

Kinda like in the Avatar universe where Aang can take away someone’s bendng, but he doesn’t do it Willy nilly

[old sluice]

Here, simple rule: If it has material components, it has somatic ones.

[snow zephyr]

It's really not, restoration is fairly easy to get ahold of for a nation

[old sluice]

Actually you need the regenerate spell to undo that. Which is a seventh level spell

[still plover]

"You're saying my gold paid in taxes is being used to restore the abilities of hardened criminals?"

[snow zephyr]

Depends on the size of the nation

[fresh bloom]

Worse, I had put in an effect from a homebrew race
It was about how being near her once a day activated an aura of bad luck (which could only be avoided by being in the restrained condition).

So I'll have to find even more preventative measures they could use against her in order to pass this mission on to the players

[woven flint]

Material and Somatic go hand in hand if the spell requires material,
There are few spells that require Verbal and Somatic and even fewer spells that are only Somatic

[hidden spindle]

'14 Subtle Spell on Spells with M-Components

[snow zephyr]

You're free to protest, right as soon as the jackboots get done taking you wherever dissenters go

[uncut zenith]

Rare, but not impossible. If an evil wizard has the resources to commit near world-ending acts, for example, I don’t think it’d be particularly hard for them to find someone to regenerate them

[woven flint]

In the situation given, it's a bard.

[old sluice]

No, it just depends on whether or not there are people capable of this level of spellcasting who are willing to work for, or at least lend their time to the prison system.

[fresh bloom]

I don't know if it's that necessary.

[hidden spindle]

Fair. I just jumped in

[snow zephyr]

So it's a matter of propaganda

[old sluice]

With spellcasters you can never be too careful.

[knotty basin]

Or just cut out their eyes at this point

[snow zephyr]

It really is, especially with someone like an established war mage

[knotty basin]

Hell, kill them while we’re at it

[fresh bloom]

So they'll have to deliver it in a cage or something? Or does anyone have another idea?

[woven flint]

How long is she to be in prison?

[snow zephyr]

Nah, they probably have important information that you can grab through telepathy or some such

[still plover]

Gag, blindfold, hood, manacles, mittens, hobble chain, prisoner's smock, two guards minimum.

Even then there's a chance of escape but how much do you want to pay to keep this person in custody?

[knotty basin]

You could use detect thoughts for this

[uncut zenith]

Then transport them to an anti-magic facility

[snow zephyr]

Depends on the mage

[hidden spindle]

Only a handful of Spellcasters can Don Heavy Armor and still cast magic.

The rest would be "muted" in Heavy Armor

[uncut zenith]

The prisons in the capital cities of my campaign setting all have a ward designed specifically for spellcasters, and all the cells are warded with anti-magic fields.

[snow zephyr]

If you were to somehow capture vecna in a quasi-mortal form then you'd want to be super careful about him being able to even cast mage hand let alone offensive magics

[old sluice]

One could imagine a special set of an iron mask and iron gloves given to spellcasting prisoners.

[fresh bloom]

What do you mean by hood?

[still plover]

A sack with a tie to keep it in place that goes over the head.

[hidden spindle]

I much prefer the removal of hands and tongue. Since there isn't an item that would stop their Components directly

[snow zephyr]

Nah, just put adamantine heavy armor on them

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, the guards in my setting often have metal gloves that lock a caster’s hands and fingers so it nulls their ability to use somatics.

[snow zephyr]

Cursed magic item, it casts counterspell on the wearer

[fresh bloom]

And what about the verbal component?

[still plover]

Yeah, that one bangs right on the door of Session Zero for me.

[uncut zenith]

Nothing a simple gag can’t fix

[woven flint]

Really, all you need to imprison a spellcaster is just to take all their material components, gag them and make sure they can't move their hands.

You don't need to go overboard lmso

[hidden spindle]

There's no items that RAW, would stop their Somatic Components and it irks me to no end

[shy stirrup]

Make one up 🤷‍♂️

[snow zephyr]

RAW vs RAI

[reef tundra]

Thank goodness I have Viralium in my setting. (Magic absorbing metal)

[hidden spindle]

I just put Heavy Armor on them.

[woven flint]

There's only a few spells that are purely somatic and I believe it's shield and absorb elements.

[fresh bloom]

Finally, since they captured this enemy and used her as a guide to the main villain, and I wanted to use her again, I thought of creating a mission to escort her to prison.

[blissful dragon]

also it has already been shown in dnd that prison cells have the abiliyy to be build to supress acasters magic while in their cells so this whole thing isnt nesscary

[fresh bloom]

Primarily because one of the characters is a spy working for the Lords' Alliance.

[snow zephyr]

Or maybe they just have an enchanted prisoner cart

If they're that important then they probably have anti-magic ready to roll

[woven flint]

Frankly, if you take away the ability to speak (for a bard)
Pretty much all their ability to cast spells is just kaput

[old sluice]

Anti-magic is not that easy to find. Notice that no spell creates a permanent or fixed anti-magic field. It is supposed to be inaccessible

[hidden spindle]

Its possible for a Prison for Mages exclusively to be built directly on a Dead Magic Zone

[uncut zenith]

One could also come up with a faction within the guard that’s explicitly designed to face off against casters and just give them these “anti-caster” equipment. An anti-magic cart, metal gloves to lock their fingers and hands in place, a half mask that casts Silence on the user, etc. But this would probably only be available in major cities, not in small towns, villages and hamlets.

[fresh bloom]

But I need to think about a few things; the mission is in a forest near a village in the interior of the capital, and the other Goblins have been placed in a temporary prison, They are waiting for the guards from the capital to arrive, but I don't know if they would have arrived in time yet.

They've been on this mission for about 3 days and will finish soon.

[woven flint]

Simplest Alternative to all of that, just have the Prison Warden be a powerful wizard and just have him teleport them into the Prison right after they're found guilty.

[wooden scaffold]

hello i need a name for a new sorcerer character, any good ideas? anything i come up with sounds cringe

[snow zephyr]

Witch hunters probably have anti-magic equipment like dimensional shackles and anti magic zone equipment on hand alongside other restraints

[snow zephyr]

Pull a name off a med bottle

[woven flint]

Jonathan

[wooden scaffold]

sounds good now his name is neurodermitis

[woven flint]

Robert.
Paul.

[knotty pasture]

Dirge

[feral frigate]

anyone good at codebreaking that can judge my runesysten]

[hidden spindle]

Bobby Hill

[wooden scaffold]

jonathan joestar reference?

[woven flint]

Not intentionally lmao

[buoyant oar]

Considering that somatic components requires a forceful gesticulating

[wooden scaffold]

now it is

[buoyant oar]

I say if their hands are bound they cannot forcefully gesticulate

[wooden scaffold]

anyways could invisibility casted on a magic hand technically be an exploit to commit infinite crimes without getting caught?

or will my dm kill me for doing that

[old sluice]

What makes you think you would not be caught?

[woven flint]

Probably not
Detect Magic, Truesight, limited range and many other wards and detection magics exist

[wooden scaffold]

i mean its invisible how are you gonna catch something that isnt connected to me+might just be halluctinatiom

[wooden scaffold]

yea true but what if its an ogre that im trying to steal from

[uncut zenith]

You can’t cast Invisibility on Mage Hand anyways

[valid geyser]

You have four other senses to find it with.

[buoyant oar]

Also guards aren't game NPCs. They are capable of long term investigations and reasoning.

[uncut zenith]

Invisibility targets a creature. Mage Hand isn’t a creature.

[wooden scaffold]

is it not deemed an ally?

[uncut zenith]

It’s not a creature.

[wooden scaffold]

damn no rights for hands

[uncut zenith]

The creature requirement trumps the ally requirement

[wooden scaffold]

yea i see

[valid geyser]

Doesn’t telekinetic let you have an invisible mage hand though? That’s an option.

[uncut zenith]

Yes

As does the Arcane Trickster’s Mage Hand

[wooden scaffold]

im only lvl 3 character cuz we are basically on a fresh start

i dont think i can have that yet

[valid geyser]

Well, then, I guess you’re gonna have to wait a level

[wooden scaffold]

dammit

at least i can still burn a forest down with the scorching ray thingy

silly me commits warcrimes all the time definetely on accident

[knotty pasture]

Better name your Sorc Dirge

[wooden scaffold]

ima name him larry

[old sluice]

You know, in a world where magic exists and has existed for about a hundred thousand years next to civilisation, there is no petty trick you can think about that has not been tried by another character in the past. And countered since then

[wooden scaffold]

invisibility still sounds like a good idea and theres mot much else to choose

i already chose the few cool lvl1 spells that there were

[uncut zenith]

Especially depending on the level of availability in the setting. Like iirc the world of Eberron often has shops that are guarded with fields that detect magic as a security measure.

[knotty pasture]

Greater invis is probably the only way you can try to commit crimes without instantly being caught

[wooden scaffold]

can i still burn it to the ground tho?

[knotty pasture]

iirc invis breaks when you take an action so you'd slip past but the moment you take something, invis breaks

[old sluice]

It's like the whole "hey I can use distort value to cheat merchants". Sure. Then you will instantly be arrested the second the spell wears out.

[wooden scaffold]

or just let someone else do it for you so they get caught

[uncut zenith]

Sure, if the shopkeeper doesn’t counterspell you first

[wooden scaffold]

mmh idk how strong shopkeepers are so ima not make my dm go insane yet

as a lvl3 im definetely not strong enough

[knotty pasture]

Cast guidance on yourself and friends on the shopkeeper to haggle prices epicly

[uncut zenith]

Remember that when Friends fades, the target of the spell becomes hostile towards the caster. Or at least that’s how it worked in 2014. Now they’re at least aware they were charmed, which still probably won’t end well for the caster.

[buoyant oar]

Guidance has a verbal component shopkeep will immediately know you are using magic to haggle

[wooden scaffold]

even tho last time i actually made my dm go insane by killing a boss that we were supposed to loose against

[knotty pasture]

Run very fast before you're caught

Guidance is a case where one should probably cast it a street away from the shopkeeper

[buoyant oar]

Guidance isn't a reaction you have to cast it prior.

[wooden scaffold]

paladins can be overpowered when the dm isnt too strict

[knotty pasture]

It is haggling after all, you're bringing the fight to them

[old sluice]

BG3 really damaged the discourse around D&D through this guidance thing

[uncut zenith]

Magically empowered haggling is trickery/deceit, not haggling

[wooden scaffold]

tbh as long as they dont find the bodies nothing is a crime

[buoyant oar]

Any time a player attempted to use magic as some Skyrim Exploit I get so tired.

[uncut zenith]

Same with other things, like Crit Successes and Failures.

[wooden scaffold]

is command any good? i somehow have it from whereever idk

[uncut zenith]

But in fairness, BG3 had to take certain liberties with the rules of 5E to make it translate well to the video game format

[knotty pasture]

It was one of those exploits before that rarely anyone utilized it to the fullest as part of a gentleman's agreement thing

Then bg3 just encouraged the hell out of it thanks to the UI

[old sluice]

Well... That is arguable. Guidance does not affect the merchant, it affects the haggler. I agree that people will refuse to negociate with someone that uses spells tl enhance their persuasion but I do not think it qualifies as cheating or deceit

[wooden scaffold]

i mean i already skilled a lot on persuasion (as far as it was even possible) so ima just do it the legit way

[knotty pasture]

Like putting on your finest suit to a formal event

[uncut zenith]

For a spell like Friends though, which explicitly Charms the creature, I’d say they would qualify that as cheating and deceit

[buoyant oar]

Hey I know we are discussing stuff here. Hold a moment while I take some drugs and just get better at this.

[old sluice]

Oh yeah. Using the friends spell on someone should absolutely be completely illegal everywhere and punished drastically

[uncut zenith]

Enchantment is generally considered illegal in many of the settlements in my world

[buoyant oar]

Enchantment and Evocation magic would be realistically policed very heavily.

[wooden scaffold]

what about mending? people surely wont get angry if i repair their stuff no?

[buoyant oar]

If you don't ask. They sure can.

[wooden scaffold]

damn

[burnt valley]

people be doing anything but cast creation -> fabricate plate armour (with smith's tools proficiency)

[old sluice]

I also have the rule that any wizard convincted of a crime who used spells to commit the crime would have their spellbook requisitioned as part of their sentence, no matter how minor

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, people generally don’t want you touching their stuff without consent. Even if it’s broken.

[wooden scaffold]

also create water and sell it

[buoyant oar]

Why? Most settlements are near rivers anyway.

[burnt valley]

????

[wooden scaffold]

why not

[buoyant oar]

Who would buy it?

[wooden scaffold]

someone surely is stupid enough

[buoyant oar]

Why buy water when river right there.

[wooden scaffold]

last campaign our druid sold a literal rock to a guy for 5 silver and we were on a mountain. he used persuasion but still

[old sluice]

Selling water is uncommon. Water is normally free.

[crimson gulch]

Spellcasting as a service is a thing in a lot of places so like it's possible but going around just working for folks is not normally what a dnd adventure Is about

[wooden scaffold]

if you can make people who live on a mountain buy random rocks i believe persuasion can get me to sell people water

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, D&D is about adventuring first. It’s not really like a fantasy world simulator game.

[old sluice]

Actually you can't make people who live on a mountain buy random rocks by using persuasion.

[wooden scaffold]

yea why wouldnt that work with water

oh cant

[old sluice]

It wouldn't work with water either.

[wooden scaffold]

dm allowed it tho

[old sluice]

And DM was wrong.

[uncut zenith]

Keep in mind, ability checks are only there for if there’s a reasonable chance at failure. So if your DM allowed someone to roll a persuasion to sell a rock to someone who’s surrounded by rocks, that’s on them.

[knotty pasture]

Its not the 21st century, people don't sell bottles of water lol

[uncut zenith]

The player doesn’t get to decide if/when a skill check is required

[burnt valley]

Does a guide book necessarily mean its a rule book?

[sullen ingot]

It's a list of guidelines

[old sluice]

Depends on the context

[sullen ingot]

Which could be misconstrued as rules?

[wooden scaffold]

ima establish capitalism then

[buoyant oar]

And persuasion is not mind control.

It allows for the best possible outcome.

Rolling a 30 on a persuasion to convince a Duke to let you be a thane of his city. Would result in him thinking you are funny and not worthy of putting in the Dungeon.

[shy stirrup]

And Insight is not mind reading, and so on and so forth

[old sluice]

Alright so:
First you need a strong bourgeois class
Then you need that bourgeois class to lobby against the privileges of the landed nobles
Then you need to establish private property of the means of production
Then an industrial revolution

[wooden scaffold]

it can come pretty close

[sullen ingot]

So... another session of my D&D game happened. I now have another fact about my deity/patron, and would like to play another game of "Identify that deity"

I know the following about them:

He calls himself “Pelor”, and the real Pelor is seemingly okay with this
He is an half-celestial, half-archfey of some kind(edited after another session)
He hates undead/necromancy
He likes fire, and encourages its use in magic
He has both Paladins and Warlocks

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, a successful persuasion/deception/intimidation roll doesn’t inherently assume you get what you want.

[wooden scaffold]

thanks now i have something i can work with, dm will kill me instantly

[old sluice]

He is homebrewed.

[shy stirrup]

Says who, your DM again?

[sullen ingot]

I was starting to move in that direction

[uncut zenith]

I may roll a successful persuasion to get a Duke to trust me enough to maybe give me work or something, but that doesn’t mean he’s gonna name me his right-hand man

[wooden scaffold]

damn why yall so aggro bout this

[buoyant oar]

We aren't being aggro. You are just consistently presenting bad faith interpretations of the rules.

[wooden scaffold]

if i have fun that way why care

[vast pelican]

If a DM runs Insight checks as telepathy then I guess that's their house rule. But it's not one I'd want to play with.

[buoyant oar]

You are able to do what you wish. Your fun seems incongruous with the norm. No one is saying you can't do that at a table with consenting adults.

[old sluice]

You have fun by consistently and willfully presenting bad faith interpretations of the rules?

[knotty pasture]

House rules aren't official rules, you can have your house rules but don't present it as official

[wooden scaffold]

i only said it can come close to that in certain situations, as in sometimes its nearly as good as mind reading

[shy stirrup]

If you need an I Win button to have fun, then have at it, just don't try to present that as the norm

[uncut zenith]

Nobody’s saying you can’t have fun, you’re just presenting us a bunch of bad faith scenarios that happened at your table, and when we say you can’t do it within the parameters of the official rules, you’re the one bouncing back saying, “Well my DM allowed it”.

[wooden scaffold]

who even said that im just experimenting stuff

[old sluice]

I'll bite: Can you give me an example of such a situation that actually respects the rules of the game?

[uncut zenith]

Any DM can allow anything. But in a server like this, we can only really discuss based off the assumed shared rules. Which are the official written ones, not DM fiat.

[shy stirrup]

You did #dnd-discussion message

[wooden scaffold]

idk i never used insight

[wooden scaffold]

that has nothing to do with an instant win button tho

[vast pelican]

If you're new enough that you've never rolled an Insight check, you may want to put off making prescriptions on the limits or lack thereof of that skill.

[old sluice]

... Then how the hell can you say that it is "nearly as food as mind reading"?

[buoyant oar]

Ladies Gents and NBs I think we are being had by a grifter.

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, respectfully it sounds like you’re operating more off of baseless assumptions than anything

[vast pelican]

Insight is most often used to estimate honesty, hostility, or good faith in another creature.

[wooden scaffold]

i cant remember the exact situation but it has revealed some lretty important things sometimes, even if just vague

[wooden scaffold]

WHAT

[vast pelican]

Not to, for instance, figure out where they live and what they had for lunch yesterday.

[old sluice]

This is baffling. You say things, and then you say "I can't actually support the affirmation I made because I have no reason to actually believe it".

[buoyant oar]

Yeah. They just be grifting/trolling

[wooden scaffold]

ok whatever you say

[old sluice]

The Sherlock scan could be investigation though!

[wooden scaffold]

because i cant remember, the last time we managed to meet up for a game was like 3 years ago and now we are trying to get together for a new campaign i was just thinking what might be good spells for my character

[vast pelican]

For sure, if someone's spec'd into an investigative expert then I think it makes sense to reward that on a high investigation roll.

[uncut zenith]

I’ll give you benefit of the doubt and say I don’t really think you’re intentionally grifting/trolling, but again, it seems like you’re kinda presenting your assumptions of how you think the game works as if it works universally, which just… isn’t the case.

[wooden scaffold]

i never said i think that is universal+i never said its actually something people should do, i was presenting a what if scenario imagining what could be possible and i get the worst rant of being „trolling“

and in the first place i was just looking for help cuz i didnt have all these spellcasting options and stuff on my characters before

[uncut zenith]

Right, but “what if” scenarios like the ones you’ve been presenting tend not to be very conducive to the conversation. Like sure, your DM might allow you to roll persuasion to sell someone a rock, just like my DM might allow me to roll Arcana to turn into an ancient gold dragon until my next long rest.

[old sluice]

Let's admit that this is not bad faith. I will say this: Read the rules of the game, make your statements based on those rules not how your DM played with them three years ago because we have already established your DM is not very good at following the rules

[covert root]

I suppose if you’ve only ever had that very specific circumstance of play, it can get confusing.

We try to stick to the rules here; it’s our only shared baseline to refer to. It seems like your old Dungeon Master really skewed your knowledge of the core gameplay experience if they diverged as much as they did.

[wooden scaffold]

to be honest i didnt read the rules because the dm explained everything while we played and i expected a less serious approach on these scenarios

[vast pelican]

I think people get a little antsy about things like "I roll persuasion to convince the king to give me his crown" because these things are archetypal of problem players and, more broadly, a bad game experience.

[uncut zenith]

We’ve just been trying to explain to you where some of the holes and flaws in your logic are

[old sluice]

Although, counterpoint: A character that spends the campaign ingraining themselves with the king, playing with his insecurities, every psychological weakness, using every manipulation tactics including gaslighting, should indeed have a shot at convincing the king to give up the crown

[wooden scaffold]

and that i can understand but accusing me of griefing the server and just aimlessly trolling people is a bit much for just trying to think of unserious scenarios

[wooden scaffold]

which would be worth a roleplaying sequence but thats dependant on the session you are playing in ig

[old sluice]

Although I do have to say: I can't think of any monarchy where the monarch was allowed to decide who their successor was going to be on abdication

[wooden scaffold]

i know a nation. my imagi nation c:

AND ONCE AGAIN i am not trolling i just dont take games that seriously

[vast pelican]

Yes, and that's the crucial bit. There's not strictly anything wrong with these skill checks in a vacuum, but when people want to play a game where success and failure matter and hard things require effort, it's deeply unfun for some ruffian to just be running around breaking things and stealing things and making people do things they would never in their right mind do just because the dice rolled high.

[buoyant oar]

If I could make the PHB cover to cover required reading for players in my games I would so fast.

[sullen ingot]

Why can't you? It's mostly a reference though, so idk how useful it would be

[vast pelican]

I ended up doing so just because it took me so long to find my first table.

Still got grappling and unarmed strike rules wrong.

[wooden scaffold]

stealing isnt that bad if u want to be a criminal noones stopping you, problem is that stuff usually has consequences

[buoyant oar]

Telling people they have to read a 300+ page ponderers tome is futile.

So I make them read out each spell every cast, in its entirety.

[shy stirrup]

Player: Can I cast spells?
DM: You're a Fighter, so no.
Player: How about if I roll Arcana? Hey look, a Nat 20!
DM: Congrats, you can now cast spells at 9th Level

[buoyant oar]

Hives

[wooden scaffold]

0/10 ragebait ur not getting a serious answer from me

[shy stirrup]

*Reducto ad absurdum *

[wooden scaffold]

now it makes sense

[craggy summit]

"you casted a level 9 shield spell. It only lasts for 6 seconds"

[wooden scaffold]

i know me latin and i wondered for a second

[wooden scaffold]

i love it when i miserable fail dragons breath and just cough

[red steppe]

Free wishes

[lapis sonnet]

trigger warning when mentioning latin please 💔 💔 im stuck translating horatius for class 💔

[wooden scaffold]

damn gl

i am happy that im already through latin as a subject and have my latinum

[proper forum]

Ah yes, my least favorite of Roman writers

[lapis sonnet]

it sounds nice but its just so difficult with all the figures of speech

[wooden scaffold]

also an enemy sorcerer critically failed chilling touch 3 times in a row last time we played, how can one be so unlucky

[wooden scaffold]

yea it makes the translation part a pain because you cant know if its actual sentence structure or just a stylistic device now

[nova trellis]

I know you're joking but there is a decent subset of people who think high rolls superseed character knowledge and skills.

[lapis sonnet]

anyways so my cleric (fairly new to the game) chose to get animate dead, under the assumption that the stronger the corpse, the more powerful the summon is. would it be bad to make that true and how would that work

[knotty pasture]

Pretty bad

[lapis sonnet]

i dont want to dissapoint

[wooden scaffold]

„when you unlock the boss as a playable character“

[knotty pasture]

Curse of Strahd is broken if you run Oathbreaker for that reason cuz they could do a similar thing

[nova trellis]

Sorry Jimbo The Barely literate Goliath Barbarian, that natural 20 doesn't mean you know the social political climate the drow elves.

[vast pelican]

That's rough, buddy

[knotty pasture]

You can control the final boss and beat the campaign in late game

[woven flint]

Just because you get a nat 20 on a Charisma check does NOT mean you can convince the king to jump to his death, he's still a rational person and Charisma isn't mind control!

[wooden scaffold]

i mean it was to be expected because he decided to attack the party member with the highest ac

[vast pelican]

Our rogue was having some terribly bad luck last session, both on attack and damage rolls. Sometimes the dice just aren't working with you.

[knotty pasture]

So anyways just stick to low CR undead for Animate Dead like zombies and skeletons

[wooden scaffold]

i missed a literaly giant with a longsword two times in a row once

[nova trellis]

Treat it like a more scalable polymorph. The corpses they can control is limited by the CR of the creature/person.

[wooden scaffold]

i dont have the best dice luck either

[lavish flame]

I hope the Birthright setting comes back some day and we get rules and guidance for having PCs run nations and armies.

[nova trellis]

The actual math and calculations, pfffff, you can worry about that.

[wooden scaffold]

its like driving a bugatti when you dont even have a drivers license

the bugatti might be good but unfortunately you are not

thats not gonna make up for that

[buoyant oar]

I have used Kingdoms and Warfare to great effect for running Birthright in 5e

[proper forum]

I love my wonderful new Dark Elf warlock

[woven flint]

I too have a Dark Elf Warlock

[wooden scaffold]

anyways im thinking about choosing levitation, what limitations does the spell have?

[woven flint]

His Patron is a Celestial, however lol

[proper forum]

Lmao twinsssss

Mine has a litch

[nova trellis]

Free them.

[woven flint]

My Warlocks Patron is the former Drow Chosen of Mystra, alas, her name has been forgotten to time, he just knows she existed

He made a pact with her to escape Menzobarrenzen and because they have a mutual hatred for Lolth and fiends

[proper forum]

I'd say who my warlock's patron is but I don't think we're allowed to talk about franchises there and I'm not risking the mute

[buoyant oar]

Spells do what they say in their description and nothing else.

[proper forum]

Franchises other than D&D, that is

[woven flint]

It's fine, I'd say lol

[pale jacinth]

Do some people play on text only? I can't always call and I'm really looking for a game to play but in most it's call only 🥲

[wooden scaffold]

the sources cant decide, ive roamed several wikis and they differ in a few aspects and its really annoying so i want a second opinion

[buoyant oar]

The general rule is that spells only do what they say in their description anything else is DM allowed.

[vast pelican]

Don't read fan wikis for spell descriptions.

[proper forum]

You mean I can say?

[vast pelican]

Use official sources.

[woven flint]

Of course, I don't believe they'd care much, It also pertains to your character anyway

[vast pelican]

Dndbeyond has the official spell in its basic rules.

[wooden scaffold]

ima go with what the dnd beyond article says because i am pretty sure thats what our dm uses for character building

[wooden scaffold]

ok then i chose the right option ig

[uncut zenith]

Make sure you’re reading the actual spell description and not just a shorthand description that might pop up on an article

[proper forum]

Her patron is Dagoth Ur. THAT Dagoth ur. Before you say anything my DM said it's fine.

She is the evil and intimidating drow

[woven flint]

Psssh, Swag

[uncut zenith]

Be wary of using wikis because they’re often unreliable and/or 🏴‍☠️

[buoyant oar]

Dagoth Ur tbh is a great patron option.

[wooden scaffold]

dnd beyonds direct description says 20ft in the air and 60ft area for 10 mins, i think thats trustworthy and seems balanced

[proper forum]

IKR HE'S SO COOL

[woven flint]

My fellas not really a BAD Drow, but he's also not a GOOD person, his goal is to try and foil Lolths plans for as long as possible... mostly out of hatred

[buoyant oar]

As long as it's not Skyrim Mod Dagoth Ur.

[vast pelican]

That's really cool and my Eilistraeean/Mystran character would probably have a stroke fanboying about that pact.

[proper forum]

She is the evil and intimidating drow. And I really do mean intimidating. She's got +6 on intimidation and she's only level 4.

[inner silo]

if someone wants to play a chef character can the chef feat be given to them as the origin feat or is it too weak?

[wooden scaffold]

can the magic hand throw objects at people? it says no attacking in the description but im not sure as when they can lift objects they can pretty sure also throw them, right?

[woven flint]

He doesn't frankly care much about the pact besides the fact that it gave him the freedom he desired, his Patron doesn't bother him much and he does his good deeds as part of the deal lmao

[vast pelican]

Chef isn't an origin feat, so you'd definitely be allowing them a serious buff by letting them take it instead.

[woven flint]

Well, I suppose he's just indifferent to his Patron

[inner silo]

its abilities seem pretty weak though

[raw ocean]

Hypothetically, if a house caught fire in a village built on top of a swamp that had multiple paths out, would it be natural selection if someone chose to jump into the water and got eaten by worms, even though the village folk could fly too?

[buoyant oar]

Throwing something is considered an attack.

[woven flint]

He much rather probably would've wanted to reach Mystra herself, but at minimum he still got something!

[wooden scaffold]

dammit it would make a neat distraction

[inner silo]

you can lift an object and then drop it

[wooden scaffold]

true

[vast pelican]

It gives you a point in Constitution, a universally valuable stat, and it really helps keep the party full health across an adventuring day. It's far from the strongest feat, but it's stronger than almost any origin feat.

[woven flint]

"I've no love for deities, but I've no trust for fiends and fey.. and I'd rather not have an Eldritch being whispering in my head."

[inner silo]

oh right. I`d remove the asi ofc

[wooden scaffold]

tbh it kinda makes no sense that you can drop things but not ablve people because that would be an attack again

[inner silo]

and just give the normal background asi

[vast pelican]

Oh without the ASI it's definitely in origin feat territory.

Still good, just not great.

[inner silo]

alrighty

[wooden scaffold]

the magic hand might be good combined with the catapult spell tho because it can fetch me rocks to launch at people

so that might be a good use of it and is not unbalanced or off the rules or anything

[vast pelican]

My elf is old enough that he's been in the same room as your patron in the FR setting, although they never actually interacted.

[buoyant oar]

If your elf is culturally an adult there is a very good chance they were alive when Midnight, who became Mystra was mortal.

[nova trellis]

Patrons and Warlocks in general just have amazing story potential. Shame not many games take advantage of that.

[vast pelican]

It's free story DM, please.

[buoyant oar]

Oh in my games if there is a warlock in the party the Patron is involved.

[woven flint]

My Drow is pretty old, but he probably didn't find out about them until later in life because information of what happens on the outside is very closed off in Menzoberrenzen, I'm sure lol

[buoyant oar]

It is. Menzobarrenzan didn't really get exposed to the outside world until Drizzt wouldn't leave it alone.

But Drizzt is still a young elf only 204 years old by the time of Heroes of Faerûn.

[vast pelican]

Mine is lucky enough to be a 3rd generation surface dweller.

[woven flint]

My Drows "I've had enough" point was when he saw his little sister get murdered by a demon, then he started digging for information

[sleek cloud]

Good afternoon all

[uncut zenith]

Same. I consider them an integral part of the Warlock’s narrative and backstory. And if everybody else’s backstories are integrated into the plot, so if the Warlock’s.

[proper forum]

My lolth-sworn and very evil and intimidating drow would probably hate your character's guts

[woven flint]

It didn't help that my fellow was actually in one of the royal families, I'd say he's been out of Menzo for like.. 50 or 70 years by now?

[nova trellis]

In a sc-fi campaign I'm doing. I have a race called Mechanoid which is a catch all term for any mechanical construct with intelligence. Mechanoids have decentralized brains so every limb has a conscious, somewhat. Folks have taken to using mechanoid limbs as prosthetics. And thats basically how I do pact of blade warlocks.

[old sluice]

Imagine: Play an elf wizard who refuses to worship Mystra because "I am not bowing to some human girl who was still wearing diapers when I was learning spells"

[vast pelican]

Oh for sure. Not sure who would try first, but within minutes someone would lock the door and only one of us would come back out.

[crimson gulch]

I mean wizards don't have to worship mystra

[uncut zenith]

Nobody really has to worship any god really

[vast pelican]

Mine does so purely on a transactional basis.

[buoyant oar]

As do most people in the realms.

[stray atlas]

hey could y'all help me settle a debate?

[nova trellis]

Which had a funny interaction where a player was a mechanoid and interfaced with another player's prosthetic arm. "Kill this meatbag I'm stuck with. You sure could use me to better use."

[woven flint]

My character doesn't hate Lolthsworn so much as he hates Lolth herself, he feels bad for the drow so mind washed as to think they're important to a Deity that doesn't care about them

[vast pelican]

He believes in Eilistraee's doctrines, but he keeps a whole sash strung with holy symbols of various gods.

[proper forum]

Yeah she pretty much hates everyone from the get-go unless they are a lolth-sworn drow. Or unless she is manipulating / using them for her patron's gain.

[woven flint]

Jeez

[stray atlas]

I'm tryna figure out whether moon knight from marvel is closer to a warlock or cleric

[buoyant oar]

Warlock.

He is not a devotee of Khonshu

[proper forum]

When the warlock is warlocking

[woven flint]

Moon Knight is definitely a Warlock as Khonshu has a huge hold over his life whereas deities in 5e typically don't

(Unless they're Lolth.)

[proper forum]

I'm warlocked in (I should be arrested for this pun)

[nova trellis]

Warlock. Granted, Knoshu does have a real soft spot for Moon Knight.

[stray atlas]

actually

[buoyant oar]

I have a real soft spot for my favorite drill.

[stray atlas]

I wonder if he'd be both an oath of vengence paladin and a warlock

[vast pelican]

There is a space at his side, but not for an equal. It is for a priest. Or a pet.

[woven flint]

I'd be a devotee to Khonshu tbh, but that's because Avian men are one of my weak spots 😔

I think they're adorable 😭

[proper forum]

Something tells me I should watch Moon Knight

[nova trellis]

Moon Knight gets away with A LOT. Khonshu probably sees them as a cute golden retriever

[stray atlas]

tbf moon knight is also like

[nova trellis]

Useful but man, a pain in the butt sometimes.

[stray atlas]

very insane so khonshu has likely come to expect crazy stuff

[buoyant oar]

Moon Knight is closer to what DnD considers a Chosen rather than any specific 5e Option.

[stray atlas]

likely

[umbral girder]

Yeah Chosen of Khonshu feels more accurate

[stray atlas]

speaking of chosen, what are the specifics of that if there are any?

[uncut zenith]

I’d say he fits as a Warlock who also just so happens to be a Chosen

He doesn’t have to be one or the other

[umbral girder]

Not in 5e. 3.5e has some

[nova trellis]

Taskmaster made it a rule not to mess with Moon Knight. He's not just crazy(well, depending on the writer, he has levels of sanity) he's also just relentless.

[woven flint]

THE MOON HAUNTS YOU

[buoyant oar]

Chosen were detailed in earlier editions. Essentially they were the ambassadors of the gods and carried out their will across the worlds.

Like Elminster and Mystra. Or Malik el-Sami and Cyric.

[stray atlas]

well what are those specifics if you don't mind telling me

[umbral girder]

Tbh Moon Knight feels like a fighter or barbarian that is Khonshu’s chosen

[stray atlas]

interesting

[uncut zenith]

There’s a little guidance regarding Chosen in 5E now as of the FR books, but there aren’t a whole lot of mechanics to them.

[stray atlas]

probably depends on the version of him

[umbral girder]

all of them

[stray atlas]

e.g. in some versions he actively uses magic abilities from khonshu

his ruthlessness in combat is present constantly though

[umbral girder]

Anyway the only chosen in 5e I can see is Alustriel’s stat block

[nova trellis]

Moon Knight may not be the strongest but dammit, he will follow thru if he decides you need to die.

[uncut zenith]

One could make an argument for a Monk too

[stray atlas]

oop replied to the wrong person

I'd imagine for most gods their chosens are likely clerics or paladins of some type?

[umbral girder]

I can see Monk. I figure barbarian with how blatantly reckless he is in fighting

[stray atlas]

I think fighter fits most

[umbral girder]

Surprisingly not

[buoyant oar]

Not always. Wizards, Rangers and more can be chosen.

[stray atlas]

outside of the whole reckless attack feature not much from barbarian fits him

[umbral girder]

He doesn’t wear armor

[stray atlas]

that depends on the version of him

[umbral girder]

In fact Zealot is a self healing subclass too

[stray atlas]

iirc in some versions he wears anything from light armor to adamantium

[uncut zenith]

I think there’s another Chosen statblock in one of the FR books

[buoyant oar]

The Bard Artus Cimbar is a good aligned Chosen of Auril the Frostmaiden

[stray atlas]

auril

[nova trellis]

In terms of Moon Knights popular depictions, I would say Battlemaster Fighter is closest to him in terms of gameplay. In most depictions, he's just a normal dude whose decent with weapons.

[umbral girder]

That’s like saying “well there are some versions of Spider-man that is the Sorcerer Supreme”

[stray atlas]

remind me what are they the god of?

[umbral girder]

Frost and winter

[stray atlas]

no I meant like

different points in a timeline

[uncut zenith]

Nvm she’s a Dead Three Scion

[stray atlas]

iirc he usually wears kevlar armor

[umbral girder]

Frost and Winter, she once pretended to be an Archfey, also of Frost and Winter

[uncut zenith]

But yeah, the Chosen in 5E is much more a narrative title that doesn’t really apply a lot of explicit mechanics. For example:

The power-hungry Chosen of Bane become warlords or otherwise amass followers to help them seize and consolidate power. Bane’s Chosen also act as whispering advisers, tempting and driving rulers to greater acts of cruelty and domination.

[stray atlas]

damn

[buoyant oar]

Kepeshkmolik Dumuzi is a Fighter and Chosen of Enlil

[stray atlas]

was thinking of a major antagonist being a chosen of shar in a campaign

was tryna figure out what effects could come from that

[umbral girder]

K

[umbral girder]

Magical darkness mostly is my guess

[buoyant oar]

Best part about Chosen of gods. Is they don't need to fit within the bounds of PC options

[woven flint]

A Chosen of Glibbelty Glorple.
(That's my secret Deity name, shhh, don't tell anyone we're the same person!!!)

[nova trellis]

A lot of the mystic stuff with vampires is VERY new in terms of Moon Knight lore. Most of the time, even when Khonshu is involved, Moon Knight fights as a normal person who with a combat suit and variety of weapons. Guns, staffs, fists, random assortment of bs he throws.

[woven flint]

RANDOM BULLSHIT GO!

[stray atlas]

I generally like making humanoid villains stick closely to what normal characters do unless they're like level 13+

[uncut zenith]

You could just make or use an existing statblock that has darkness related abilities and say said darkness related abilities come from the fact that she’s the Chosen of Shar

[nova trellis]

Oh good, I can say bullshit here, very good.

[woven flint]

I had to test it dw

[buoyant oar]

NPC explicitly should not be made like Player Characters

[stray atlas]

I don't make them follow everything

especially not health, I just meant I don't want stuff like a level 10 antagonist having power word stun solely because they're a villain

[nova trellis]

Granted, its a good reference to see what sort of features a PC like NPC would have at player levels. At least, I think.

[uncut zenith]

Like if I wanted to make a Chosen of Shar, I could just use the Drow Inquisitor NPC statblock and say the darkness abilities and spells they have come from their connection to Shar

They don’t need specific Chosen abilities on their statblock

[buoyant oar]

Some Chosen are even demigods.

Mystra herself has seven daughters who are Chosen.

[glass wagon]

Bruh, I took my d20 with me in my pocket to the store and the store had EVERYTHING I NEEDED

[stray atlas]

I was thinking of making them have resistance to most non magical sources of damage when in darkness

[umbral girder]

So the Shadow Dragon resistance

[stray atlas]

and the effect would depend on just how dark it is

[nova trellis]

Small pet peeve. I hate when DMs overly use the innate powers which are immune to counter spell or other magic disruption because its technically a spell slots or somatic components.

[stray atlas]

e.g. dim light only gives resistance to BPS damage

but you could still use magic missile and have the full effect work

[buoyant oar]

I am much more fond of "This enemy is immune to spell effects below the 4th level." Than just innate Powers

[nova trellis]

Its especially annoying when the innate powers are just reskins of existing spells.

[vast pelican]

It makes sense for various passives. Less so if, say, the magic man can use the Magic action to produce a 120 foot line, creatures must succeed a Dex save, 8d6 lightning damage.

[stark arch]

how cool would it be to have a Will-o'-Wisp pet with my outh breaker that it acts as a hovering light source 😄

[nova trellis]

I don't mind innate powers for interesting boss mechanics or PC subclass variation. The point in normal DnD is to allow creatures to do interesting things without the PCs to constantly shut them down.

But in the case of my DM, it feels more like lazy design because they're encounters are just really simple affairs.

[nova trellis]

And yes, would be neat. Heck, I think most DMs would be up for allowing that.

[median hearth]

Are there freebies for christmas on dndbeyond?

[vast pelican]

Can you give the wisp head pats?

[timid current]

If the npcs are to assist the pcs, I'll make a sidekick for them, but I make sure to balance encounters properly for having a other node in the action economy

I run them out of combat, and let the players run them in combat

[shell flume]

What do you guys think of a Psionic sorcerer whose powers come from let’s say Tharizdun the chained oblivion would that fit?

[still plover]

Uh, maybe? PC or NPC?

[shell flume]

PC

[still plover]

Eternal darkness, decay, destruction. Where do the psychic powers come in?

Death, trickery, madness, materialisation of dreams into reality. Heck, if it makes sense to you, go for it. Pass it by your DM though.

[shell flume]

Oh cool thx

[polar verge]

I got a question. Is it possible to have a high AC without armour? Like they move so fast that they cant be hit?

[harsh hinge]

Monks and Barbarians have a feature that gives them higher AC without armor. Also tortles.

[frail epoch]

Hey 👋

[sand root]

high dex as a thrikreen is really good. Otherwise, monk or barb

[polar verge]

I was thinking a Fighter?

[tidal bough]

As mentioned above monks and barbs have unarmored defence, however it does cap out at a certain point granted theoretically you can get your dex and con/wis to 30 each with multiple tomes/manuals and get your ac to a minimum of 30 ac prior to further magical defenses such as cloak of protection etc. (this is highly unrealistic to reach though).

Its more realistic to say that youd likely get to an ac of 16 during early game and 22 late

[sand root]

yeah if you make dex your highest stat and take the thri-kreen race, you can get a high ac with any class

[tidal bough]

As for increasing your movement and becoming faster to avoid attacks is dont believe speed impacts it

[sand root]

movement doesn't change it but definetily put everything into dex, then use finesse weapons

[craggy summit]

There's a couple classes/subclasses that have an unarmored defense feature where their AC is dex + an ability score

Afaik there's barbarian, monk, dance bard, draconic sorcerer and the new genie paladin that have something like that. But the genie paladin can benefit from light armor with that iirc

[glass granite]

Draconic sorcerer too

[craggy summit]

Good catch nugget 🤙

[sand root]

i love draconic sorcerers

[hushed mason]

Oh look ! It's @glass granite .

[wintry spindle]

I like monk

Do you ever play a class you don't like just to see if you can make it likeable?

[harsh hinge]

I suspect that'll be me when (if?) I try barbarian.

[umbral girder]

So fun thing, the effects of Cold/Hot Weather can be completely ignored if your character has a +9 to their Constitution saves

[wintry spindle]

Wild magic barbarian i had a lot of fun with

[glass granite]

The Chicken is…inevitable

And mornin, just woke up
WAIT

[wintry spindle]

The class i would like to play the least is ranger. So i Go hmmm how could i make being a ranger fun

[umbral girder]

I don’t tbh

Mainly because I find ways to enjoy every class already.

[tidal bough]

Barb is alot better with the weapon masteries from 2024

Especially with something like cleave or sap

[jovial shadow]

Ranger looks very fun. That doesn't include the subclasses imo

[glass granite]

Personally, Druid, only cuz thematically they seem the least interesting to me

[wintry spindle]

Yeah druid is my second least favourite

[tidal bough]

Ranger is pretty solid but its reasonably reliant on hunters mark being the main thing of most builds

[harsh hinge]

Meh, still doesn't feel like enough options outside of combat (my least favorite pillar).

[glass granite]

I do like Ranger

[tidal bough]

Moon druid barb is fun

Frozen tank abjuration wizard is fun as well

[wintry spindle]

Turning into an animal isn't my thing

[umbral girder]

So don’t

[wintry spindle]

That's what im doing

[karmic mason]

Nugget

It's the club today

[tidal bough]

Fair fair, although druid barb opening a pub named "The Raging Beer" goes hard

[glass granite]

The what

[karmic mason]

I gotta hope problem player won't continue

[glass granite]

OH NO

[wintry spindle]

I would think though turning into a dinosuar amongst people who don't know what a dinosaur was would be a fun gimmic

[karmic mason]

Don't worry

If I'm correct, it's board games today

[glass granite]

phew

[glass granite]

But you’re Dexeroch, not Correct!

[tidal bough]

Well thats dm dependant, im pretty sure you can only turn into something youve seen

[wintry spindle]

Ye, but I could coordinate with my DM i'm from chult

But my DM is very chill

[jovial shadow]

Can you turn into a dinosaur?

[wintry spindle]

you can indeed

In faerun dinosaurs still excist

[rapid sparrow]

I have a question, basically i bought a dnd dragons of stormwreck island starter kit to start playing with my friends (Im the DM and in the first session we are 5 players and 1 dm) and i don't know what to do with the maps, if i should print the maps or just do a basic battle grid for the battles, can you guys give me any tips?

[karmic mason]

[wintry spindle]

Print the battlemaps?

Well printing has it's pros and cons. Often A3 which is what most standard printers can print the largest size, don't always scale well if you use 1 inch tokens

So often you have to do multiples prints and put it together

[tacit jackal]

hey, is there a thread if your looking for seat fillers?

[cosmic roost]

Ready to play Dungeons & Dragons?

Visit #find-a-game for everything you need to start your search, including:

• Instructions for finding a game here on the server (including how to post in our #looking-for channels).
• Suggestions for finding a game outside of this server.
• Basic advice to help you in your hunt.

[wintry spindle]

My DM uses a laminated grid paper, and then just draw it with whiteboard marker

I have a digital battlemap which is a tv with a acrylic glass on top in a box. But thats very advanced. But you can also do "mini" tokens

[harsh hinge]

#looking-for-players for more traditional games, #looking-for-community for westmarches and larger servers. Read #find-a-game to learn how to make a post.

[rapid sparrow]

I don't have sadly

[jagged vigil]

I've had one combat in two sessions and one of my players has already given lip about being annoyed we're almost certainly having a "combat session" tonight. Nothing they hate more than having to explore dungeons and fight dragons in their Dungeons & Dragons

[karmic mason]

... problem player is making a new character and it's just as bad

...Mary Sue who can't die(and has dumb story to boot)

[glass granite]

Who’s the DM?! They need to stop them!

[karmic mason]

Lemme say exactly what I heard

"She's the only survivor of her multiverse dying"

[remote wadi]

"Yes!! Keeeeel!!"
-Steve Harvey

[toxic glade]

Hello

[karmic mason]

There's also "She can't die but if the rest of the party die, they'd just leave"

[crimson gulch]

just be like, no thats not how that works

[karmic mason]

I'm not the DM

and this dm allows it

[glass granite]

Yup, leave that table and make your own

[crimson gulch]

even better, you can be an immortal wizard with infinite wishes too

with thats how the dm is doing things

[karmic mason]

...oh god no yeah screw ever playing DnD in my state probably

[shy stirrup]

An unfettered Mary Sue or Gary Stu is a one-way ticket to rpghorrorstories

[karmic mason]

Oh this problem player hasn't even played and it's already insane.

[glass granite]

Surely there are others who see this madness

[karmic mason]

...ok yeah she's making her character a literal god

[crimson gulch]

if you cant find an in person group online is fine too

[empty thicket]

Kill it or seal it first episode. Made her realize that even the gods can be bound

[karmic mason]

My character is a level 1 elf mage with depression (best way to describe it)

[empty thicket]

and why she is making a god?

[karmic mason]

I don't know

[rapid sparrow]

A question, if you are out of combat you can move freely (for exploring a zone) or you have to use the velocity

[timid current]

Velocity isn't an attribute in d&d

[empty thicket]

normally you can move freely, maybe some "actions" would need you to rol a dice, like athletics for jumping

[crimson gulch]

so theres only so far you can travel in a single round or day if you are moving great distances

[rapid sparrow]

Ok, thanks

[crimson gulch]

if your inside a room a dm should be keeping rough track of how much time is spend doing what, but its not so strict as in initative

[marble lion]

Have you said you think this isnt working

The dm might realise it shouldnt be allowed if other players point it out

[karmic mason]

He's the one talking with her and saying it's a good character

[empty thicket]

ask him if he is planning something, if not, pray.

[marble lion]

Have you said your opinion already

[lilac kelp]

I envision it as at least a Calypso situation. (Pirates of the Caribbean) ;p

[knotty basin]

I don’t think that’s how multiverses work

[shy stirrup]

Apparently it does, this PC is the only survivor of an endless series of universes, with a nearly infinite number of beings, of which she is the only survivor. Because reasons? I guess?

[hushed mason]

Can you just write your character so that you;'re the one responsible for the destruction of said multiverses?

WHy doesn't everyone at the table create a similarily outlandish backstory?

[shy stirrup]

Why indeed

[lapis wharf]

Hello

[glass granite]

Goooood morning afternoon evening, Wahzzup!

[scenic zinc]

You can certainly write that if you wish.

The DM doesn't have to accept it, nor does that part of your backstory ever have to come up in the game ever. Just like none of it has to. The story being told at the table isn't your backstory.

[glass granite]

I think the sentiment was a tad satire

[lapis wharf]

Just been looking for dnd campaign to join to test a new character

[upper lintel]

Baulder gate 3 is so dang good I love this game

Wrong chat sorry

[glass granite]

Check out #find-a-game for info on how to do that. Also consider reddit, roll20 or DnD beyond forums

[lapis wharf]

Have not have much luck in #looking-for-dm or #looking-for-players

[scenic zinc]

Quick suggestion - never join a campaign with a character you've already made. A character should be made for the campaign you join, instead.

[upper lintel]

Is the a bg3 chat i thought there was

[jovial shadow]

Just saw the Warlock trailer. I am curious if this will be turn based and what setting it will be in?

[scenic zinc]

I will be heavily surprised if it's not forgotten realms.

[glass granite]

#baldurs-gate-3-spoilers possibly? If not maybe #dnd-media

[scenic zinc]

But I doubt it'll be turn based. It looks like a trailer for an arpg to me

[quasi dome]

The website for the game confirms that it’s a third-person action RPG

[scenic zinc]

Yeah, thought so.

[upper lintel]

Thanks I do have a question for dnd are the lore videos on YouTube are they legit and cannon like the real lore

Are they worthy

[jovial shadow]

That doesn't mean it's turn based, which was my curiosity. It could just mean over the shoulder or over head

[scenic zinc]

who can truly say what canon is ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[uncut zenith]

I’d recommend doing some of your own research and reading when it comes to lore. There’s a lot of YT creators out there these days who mislead or misrepresent what is and isn’t lore.

[scenic zinc]

3rd person arpg is definitively not a turn based rpg.

[upper lintel]

True

[umbral girder]

Yeah reading the text usually gets you more detail and less hypothetical stuff than watching lore videos

[scenic zinc]

Not only that, but even the official lore isn't definitive.

[upper lintel]

Tbh I might just get the books

[jovial shadow]

Lore tends to change with every edition. 1st edition AD&D, never said anything about Kas being a vampire

[uncut zenith]

True, but my point is more so that plenty of them will ignore existing/updated lore in 5E and present older editions’ lore as the only thing that matters.

[ember fable]

Greetings to you, inhabitants of the kingdom !
Address me by my full name !

[scenic zinc]

That's not even what I mean, but that's also true. I mean that the lore itself is being given by an unreliable narrator.

[ember fable]

._.

[upper lintel]

Im just recently getting more into the world of dnd just the world its self .

[uncut zenith]

Well keep in mind, there are multiple worlds in the D&D multiverse

So just because something may be true of, for example, the Forgotten Realms doesn’t mean it’ll be true in the world of Eberron

[scenic zinc]

There's more than one official setting. So that right there kinda messes with stuff.

I do personally hate how the multiverse doesn't mean different settings though. It means different planes.

[uncut zenith]

It also means different settings in 5E. As of 2024, the Material Plane encompasses all the different worlds.

[scenic zinc]

Because (other than eberron) all the worlds are on the same material plane

[upper lintel]

[scenic zinc]

It was that way in '14 too

[uncut zenith]

Oh I see what you mean

[knotty basin]

Isn’t the feywild it’s own plane?

[jovial shadow]

The new DMG seems to mention nearly every setting of D&D in the 50 year history, except Mystara and Blackmoor. Mystara I could understand, since it was Basic D&D's multiverse, that was slightly different than FR's.

[hushed mason]

They mention Dark Sun!?

[scenic zinc]

That's not it's own world. It's a sort of echo of the material world.

[uncut zenith]

The Feywild is one of the Material’s “mirror” planes

[scenic zinc]

Similar to the Shadowfell

[uncut zenith]

Feywild and Shadowfell are the two mirror planes to the Material

[hushed mason]

I thought Dark Sun was so problematic that it would never be mentioned again.

Not that I know anything about it. 🙂

[uncut zenith]

Never say never I suppose

[scenic zinc]

That'd be like never mentioning FR

[knotty basin]

Is shadowfell where barovia is? Or is that it’s own setting

[scenic zinc]

Also, ds is literally also in the '14 dmg

[jovial shadow]

Dark Sun is also mentioned in the new DMG

[hushed mason]

Fascinating.

[uncut zenith]

Yes, Barovia is one of the Domains of Dread in the Ravenloft setting, which diagetically in the Shadowfell

[scenic zinc]

Which, iirc, was a change in 5e

They weren't always a part of the Shadowfell

[uncut zenith]

I think they were still in the Shadowfell, but it was like… completely separate from the multiverse

[scenic zinc]

They were demiplanes, weren't they?

[uncut zenith]

Like you couldn’t end up walking out of Faerun and into Barovia, that was only introduced in 5E

[jovial shadow]

Feywild and Shadowfell are parallels dimension that exist in the same space as the Material plane. Pretty much like how Marvel does it.

[scenic zinc]

eh

[uncut zenith]

It’s less that they exist in the same space and more that they overlap

[jovial shadow]

Not according to the DMG. That's word for word

[uncut zenith]

Though many landmark locations can have “reflections” in the mirror planes

[jovial shadow]

same space

pg 173

[uncut zenith]

Ah you’re right

[scenic zinc]

Can't help them describing it poorly.

Same space would mean that you'd be able to effect A from B

Which you can't. They're on separate planes.

[uncut zenith]

The new DMG bundles the Shadowfell and the Feywild into the “Material Realms”

But the Material Plane is separate from the Shadowfell and Feywild

[jovial shadow]

so is the material plane and etheral plane

[rough basalt]

Shadowfell sort of makes sense, but Feywild seems kind of weird to be lumped in

[scenic zinc]

Almost like they're not in the same space then.

[vast pelican]

They're parallel planes, but they have separate space

[jovial shadow]

Except Shadowfell and Feywild are.

[uncut zenith]

It makes sense to me. The Shadowfell and the Feywild are sort of the same”polar opposites” of one another.

[rough basalt]

Ig looking at it that yeah

[scenic zinc]

Which isn't to say one is good and the other is bad.

They're both horrific.

[uncut zenith]

Oh yeah, its not a matter of good or evil

[vast pelican]

I mean, it's magic planar stuff, semantics is unimportant as long as everyone knows the rules for the game.

[uncut zenith]

It’s just one is a realm of gloom and dulled emotions while the other one is the realm of vibrancy and abundant emotions

[scenic zinc]

-# Semantics is literally language.

[jovial shadow]

Just like in Marvel, the earth shares the space with a near infinite divergent/parallel earths.

[scenic zinc]

I hate when people throw up the 'semantics' line.

[jovial shadow]

In this case Shadowfell and Feywild share the same space, just exist in different dimensions

[scenic zinc]

Except in marvel, that's the multiverse.

Which isn't the case in dnd.

The different settings are what you'd expect to be the multiverse, and they aren't.

Instead you have the different planes. Which most have nothing to do with how the material plane is laid out.

[jovial shadow]

No that's not the multiverse. Marvel's Multiverse, has many dimensions and planes of existence, beyond Earth.

[scenic zinc]

I'm aware of that.

But each is it's own whole universe.

And it's own setting.

[jovial shadow]

Just like D&D

[umbral girder]

Uhhh.....

[scenic zinc]

Once again, no.

Other than eberron, all the primary worlds you would play on are on the same plane of existence.

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, most of the worlds exist on “the Material Plane”

[scenic zinc]

Krynn, Toril, Exandria, etc. All on the same plane. The same universe.

[jovial shadow]

The plane of Fire is in the Multiverse, but is it's own plane of existence, correct?

[uncut zenith]

It’s one of the Inner Planes

[jovial shadow]

Which is infinite correct

[scenic zinc]

Huh

[uncut zenith]

The four elemental planes and their respective para-elemental planes exist just outside the boundaries of the Material Realms

[jovial shadow]

Right but they are planes of existence, although in the Multiverse.

[uncut zenith]

Yes

[scenic zinc]

The elemental planes are shared between each setting. There's not an infinite number of universes.

[jovial shadow]

It's the same in D&D as it is in Marvel

[scenic zinc]

Absolutely not.

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, conceivably the Plane of Fire is the same across all settings. Which is why locations like the City of Brass exists in the Plane of Fire regardless of what setting your table is playing in.

[jovial shadow]

We know there aren't an infinite number of planes, my example was that the Elemental Plane of Fire is infinite, correct?

[scenic zinc]

You can have it be that way at your table. The defined way that's been described is not that way.

[hot reef]

D&D doesn’t use a multiverse system, just different planes

[rugged hawk]

Please, we all know it's an infinity of layers stacked atop each other in creation's largest pancake pile, all spinning round and round the Dark Tower at reality's heart

[scenic zinc]

Which it unfortunately calls a multiverse.

[hot reef]

Darn it

[jovial shadow]

D&D's cosmology is called the multiverse

[uncut zenith]

They refer to it as the Multiverse, it just doesn’t act the way multiverses across other media do

[scenic zinc]

Yes.

But it's not anything like what marvel does. They're fundamentally different.

[jovial shadow]

Fundamentally yes, but it can be used as an example.

[umbral girder]

Just because they have the same name does not make it the same.

[jovial shadow]

But anyway back to D&D

[scenic zinc]

A very bad and inaccurate one, sure.

[uncut zenith]

I feel like the multiverse definition has been kinda just co-opted to mean “any setting where there are multiple worlds existing at the same time”

[scenic zinc]

Both an apple and yogurt are food

[hushed mason]

Mmm. food.

No more apple discussion today, please.

[woven flint]

HOMER!!!

[uncut zenith]

But that’s very vague, and doesn’t mean the D&D multiverse and the Marvel multiverse function the same way.

[rugged hawk]

I mean, fundamentally, anywhere could connect to anywhere else, it'd just depend on your campaign lore. Like as DM, you could have a 'custom cosmology' where you can in fact cross between normally non-interacting realms via, say, a portal bleeding over, or some weird / broken magic.

[scenic zinc]

But you can't plant strawberry yogurt and expect an apple tree to grow.

[rugged hawk]

I mean, you could if you planted it in a morphic region such as the Astral Plane

[jovial shadow]

I think Homer does that more when it comes stuff like donuts. with the slobber going down his jaw

[woven flint]

Oh yeah? Well...
I put an apple seed in my strawberry yogurt
What now?! >:]

[scenic zinc]

Killed it with the acidity of the yogurt

[woven flint]

CURSE YOU!!!!!

[hushed mason]

Look what you've done, @scenic zinc . We're back to talking about apples.

[woven flint]

Apl

[rugged hawk]

Speaking of morphic realms, I feel like there was also a sort of 'elemental chaos' place at one point, where the terrain kept swapping elements unless being anchored by .... those inhabiting it, I think?

[umbral girder]

Yeah that was 4e

The Elemental planes got destroyed and turned into a big soup

[scenic zinc]

Yum, soup.

[rugged hawk]

That wasn't the one I was thinking of, but sort of.

Less elemental, more primordial chaos

Not the Maelstrom, either

[umbral girder]

Could be Limbo.

[rugged hawk]

Oh right, that Slaad place

[jovial shadow]

I was thinking it Acheron

[umbral girder]

It is the pure chaos plane. Chaotic Neutral on the planescape map

[jovial shadow]

Hm

[rugged hawk]

Yeah, that was it

[woven flint]

I have the urge

To play a Monk
Again

[umbral girder]

Then do it.

[woven flint]

But I don't have enough time for more campaigns!
I'd have to retire a character 😭

[jovial shadow]

I think the new Monk is probably one of the best. Why do you feel the urge exactly?

[umbral girder]

loads the Strahd encounter /jk

[rugged hawk]

Or you could be a dwarf fighter with no weapons and no improved unarmed feat

[woven flint]

Because I was watching Mashle

[jovial shadow]

You would just be a victim then lol

[woven flint]

Good anime by the way lmao

[rugged hawk]

Tell that to the NWN2 dorf who constantly takes AoOs for not having the feat

[woven flint]

I just have an urge to play unarmed combatant characters in general

I JUST WANNA THROW HAAAAANDSSSS!!!

[rugged hawk]

Carl would like to know your location, he's been complaining about having a hunger only hands can satisfy. 🦙

[woven flint]

My Earth Genasi Paladin was originally gonna be an Unarmed fighter, but I digged the duel wielder vibe A bit more at the time, however, he's sadly deceased

[jovial shadow]

Throwing hands is fine, but if the DM throws some "+" monk weapons my way, they will get used.

[glass granite]

AMAZING TASTE

[woven flint]

None of my Monks have EVER used weapons.

They are the weapon!

[glass granite]

No weapons are needed except these hands

[woven flint]

My Tabaxi Elements Monk, Sumatra, killed an Adult Black Dragon with straight hands, weapons are a myth

[rugged hawk]

Excuse me while I go weld a whole lot of sharp, poisoned spines to my armor and shield

[jovial shadow]

Forget that. Martials get to use 1d12 and 2d8 weapons at 1st level, I would have to get a plus weapon until my Martial Die gets that high lol

[woven flint]

Monks get to attack twice right from level one, I think they're pretty on par lol

[umbral girder]

Monks notably get way more attacks than almost every Martial too

[rugged hawk]

All the more ouch the moment someone casts a damage aura

Oops, you just punched a Death Aura 10 times in a round and took ALL the Negative damage

[jovial shadow]

ha!

[woven flint]

If I brought back Sumatra, I'd see him Focusing on thunder damage (and just flavor it as Earth shattering pumches)

[vale sage]

YOOO

[woven flint]

Henlo

[woven flint]

Jokes on you...
I simply don't care!
RAAAAGGHH

[glass granite]

Gooood morning afternoon evening, Wahzzup!

[woven flint]

I'm gonna keep punching until ONE OF US dies.
Ez

[rugged hawk]

Okay, dorf battlerager, rest in aura wounds

[vale sage]

not much getting ready to run a campain

[umbral girder]

casts wall of force

[glass granite]

Till death do us part just got a whole new meaning

[woven flint]

I PUNCH THE WALL OF FORCE!!!!

[rugged hawk]

No no, PRISMATIC Wall.

[umbral girder]

It does not break.

[woven flint]

I PUNCH THE PRISMATIC WALL

I just keep PUNCHING!!!!!!

[glass granite]

I’d like to grapple and shove the wall!

[rugged hawk]

Punching a Prismatic Wall is just Rocks Fall, You Die. Or Worse.

[idle oar]

Please watch the all-caps

[jovial shadow]

Wait. What levels are you guys playing at for that? lol

[woven flint]

I mean, most of them are Dex saves.
A Monk is pretty damn good at those lmao

[rugged hawk]

No no, Prismatic Wall has other saves, too. Nasty ones, at that. Like teleporting you, or disintegration, or petrification.

[woven flint]

I'll simply run through the prismatic wall for I do not fear death

[umbral girder]

11

With Tokii’s group. The other one is level 16 and the other is 19

[rugged hawk]

You don't get through a Prismatic Wall, you either die where you stand, get warped, or otherwise end up in a condition where you cannot challenge it further.

[umbral girder]

Yeah all my groups are tier 3 and one at tier 4

[woven flint]

Prismatic Wall isn't an end all be all

Each wall has a way to be destroyed

[rugged hawk]

Unfortunately

It's a great way to slow down pursuit, though, or stop the unprepared.

[woven flint]

WRONG...
I fly over it

[rugged hawk]

That's why I cast it in a cave covering the entire tunnel

[woven flint]

I'll just wait it out and kill ya later

[rugged hawk]

I wouldn't wait around.

[glass granite]

I’ll just dig through the cave with my punches

[woven flint]

I'm a patient man

[jovial shadow]

Not to worry Monks can spend a few Focus Points to be resistant to all forms of damage, except Force, spend 1 point to re-roll a failed save and are automatically proficient in all saving throws.

[umbral girder]

Burn a lot of points

[glass granite]

Tbf, the other party burnt a 9th level spell slot

[rugged hawk]

Sure, but they still can't break a Prismatic Wall. At best, they'll have to wait til it falls because it'll physically block the way unless that specific part of the wall is dispelled.

[umbral girder]

You think NPC still use slots?

It’s been many years since enemies got rid of slots

[rugged hawk]

Oh gods, you just gave me PTSD of that time in BG2 I used a regenerating spell slots mod coupled with no limits on summons. For ALL creatures. Oh gods, that army of Orc Mages and their infinite summons.....

I had to spend SO LONG throwing ALL the Fireballs trying to take out the damnable offscreen Orc Mages so the summons would stop.

[umbral girder]

Now you see why slots are a limited resource

[jovial shadow]

Monks start weak but eventually become nearly unkillable. Unless they do something silly like bang against a Prismatic wall all day

[umbral girder]

Or PWK or multiattack

[rugged hawk]

Just feed them to a Sphere of Annihilation

[umbral girder]

Or a classic Magic missile

[rugged hawk]

Or, you know, be smart and unleash some vampires. See how well those monks do once they've lost some levels

[umbral girder]

Not in 5e

But yeah Max hp reduction hurts them bad

[jovial shadow]

Ah but you only get one casting. Then the Monks slaps you around with 5 unanswered blows

[rugged hawk]

Fine, Shadow beings. Drain their Strength til they're useless.

[umbral girder]

Or some Mummy curses too

Monks can’t remove curses after all

[umbral girder]

That’s why you fly

[rugged hawk]

That's why they carry shurikens

[umbral girder]

Which they can only use 2 of

[jovial shadow]

Way of the Elemental Monk can fly

[rugged hawk]

Of course, if you're already flying, just cast Wall of Iron horizontally a few times.

Preferably once you've caught them in Web or Grease.

[umbral girder]

Not in 5e

[jovial shadow]

Shadow Monk just teleports to you to grapple

[woven flint]

Perhaps in 5e /j

[umbral girder]

There are other spells similar, but no Wall of Iron, Nugget

[glass granite]

I read prismatic wall, lol

[rugged hawk]

Point is, you're a Wizard, Harry. Just summon something heavy to splat them with.

Like an elephant or whatever.

[marble lion]

i summon the cutest familiar youve ever seen

damn

i thought i had you there damn

[woven flint]

Nope, always punch

Most of my Monks actually kick, I've just realized lmao

[jovial shadow]

Monks kick, punch, elbow, knee, head bunt. lol

[snow agate]

Remember to suplex

[tired rock]

Dropkicks also work

[marble lion]

monks dont have to but they certainly can

[woven flint]

"You're all Monks? Good luck reaching me!"

The Elements Monk: "Hold my beer." Starts flying

[marble lion]

the humble longbow kensei

[jovial shadow]

Yep I mentioned Element monk

[rugged hawk]

Okay, but counterpoint, Prismatic Sphere

[woven flint]

Counter point, I actually have an enspelled staff of counterspell

[rugged hawk]

Well that's just not fair

[woven flint]

Womp Womp

[snow agate]

This is why the wood elf party has monks, Druids, and rangers to shoot the wizard

[marble lion]

excuse me did you just say womp womp?

[woven flint]

I get the reference

[marble lion]

that activates the glyph of warding on your staff

[snow agate]

Unfortunately you enter my room of explosive runes, prepare to read

[woven flint]

Unfortunately, I've made all the dex saves

Sprints at you with punching intent

[rugged hawk]

That's alright, Symbol: Death doesn't care about your dex saves.

[snow agate]

“The dm metagame door shuts behind you, it’s magically reinforced and you can’t break it because reasons”

[jovial shadow]

Takes 10 rounds to cast Symbol. You are toast

[woven flint]

I metagame slide you 50 bucks to let me have this moment

[snow agate]

You get a level up

[woven flint]

Swag

"See guys! I told you my training of giving people money works!"

[rugged hawk]

And then the reveal of the secret BBEG's master boss: "Stand ready for my arrival, WORMS!"

Sure, you can have a level up.... after all, you're gonna need it.

[upper lintel]

I know dnd
Show legend of vox machina suppose to be sorta funny but the story telling is actually really decent its good

[karmic mason]

Sure, go ahead

[marble lion]

aw man

[woven flint]

Hmmm.

[marble lion]

i thought we were getting a sequel

[snow agate]

Killed goku

[upper lintel]

For what

[marble lion]

the problematic character mentioned hours ago

[remote wadi]

There's always one reliable solution for "I can't be killed" people like that

Either make their character regret living/or make them regret not being able to die. Which is to say... some varying form of torture

[marble lion]

hes not the DM actually

considering the DM seems to think this is a great character i doubt that will happen

[woven flint]

You know, I've never had an insanely outlandish character, I don't think...
Hmmm.