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[humble cairn]

The autocrit with the extra third attack is only the first turn.

Hopefully you demolish a good, high value, target.

[remote wadi]

With 2 advantage attacks, it is still an 18-19% crit chance

[humble cairn]

Yes, the nova damage first turn is still basically the reason people make this build. So it's a nova damage build.

It's not a criticism, it's just what it's known for.

[remote wadi]

But of course

And Sublime was telling me they would hate to see how I would manage with this class

[remote wadi]

Also, I am never doubting Gloomstalker's burst damage again

[undone fable]

Gloomstalker? i love swarmkeeper

[humble cairn]

Did you have a better experience in game?

[violet basin]

Gloom Stalker (2014) best ranger.

[undone fable]

gloom (2014) is mid

[violet basin]

lets agree to agree, that you're wrong.

[steep solstice]

What's up guys

[violet basin]

my entire goal when I find a new dm, is to get them to say something along the lines of "goshdarn gloom stalker!" because of how good gloom stalker (2014) actually is when you utilize its tools appropriately.

so far, im 5 for 8 give or take

[ebon dome]

Mine is for them to actually have the basic rules

[violet basin]

know?*

[red steppe]

Did u do this with magic items

[ebon dome]

The last dm I had didn’t use armor class spell slots movement or upcasting just because he didn’t want to keep track of it

He knew the rules was just too lazy

[violet basin]

that doesnt really work as DND...

[ebon dome]

Yep it went absolutely horrid

I legit had to use misty step just to move during combat

[violet basin]

just... no

[ebon dome]

It took like 5 sessions for me to dip from it

It was semi fine until the players started team fighting and the dm not stopping them

[violet basin]

the first bit about throwing out half of d&d would have made me dip in session 1 (or maybe 0)

[formal peak]

...how much would hands go for

[ebon dome]

The only reason I didn’t was because I knew everyone playing pretty well

[violet basin]

these hands? they are free, and rated E.

[formal peak]

No like

Necromancer stuff

[violet basin]

like, just a detached hand?

[ebon dome]

I totally know what ur talking abt

[violet basin]

i think hes talking about a chopped off hand

probably a few sp or less, depending on how 'dark' your setting is (or the area of the setting you're in.)

otherwise it could be more, if its more of a black market item thing

[formal peak]

So my hands would be worth more than single a silver?

[violet basin]

ask your dm

[formal peak]

Monks can totally use green flame blade

[eager marsh]

your hands are worth 0 gp and you cannot use the Melee cantrips with unarmed attacks

[remote wadi]

The only thing used is ammunition

[formal peak]

Hi Ryu

Also heck

[eager marsh]

Hello

[formal peak]

I verbally stunlocked my dm with that line of questioning so he allowed it

[undone fable]

stunlocked?

[eager marsh]

the old melee cantrips could use non-value weapons but supposedly this led to bad faith arguments that component pouches had infinite weapons so the devs changed it

[formal peak]

I just light my hands on fire with minimal consequences

[remote wadi]

If i wanted to, I could use magic with my PWT to make Stealth checks +23

Or Bard can cast Haste to give me a 4th attack turn 1

[violet basin]

i kind of miss having 10 attacks on turn 1....

[formal peak]

Continually asking stupid yet surprising questions

[formal peak]

What in the monk/fighter

[undone fable]

monk fighter?

Is that where they make over 9000 attacks?

[violet basin]

gloom stalker - phantom - samurai actually (though the phantom part is less important)

along with having the very fun item known as the Chronolometer, and a Haste Potion

high level, high magic campaign

[formal peak]

Mein gott

[ebon dome]

Chronolo is a fun word

[formal peak]

Indeed

[violet basin]

DM also threw six pit fiends at my character to kill him. And almost failed as I tried to escape into the Astral Sea via bag of holding into bag of holding shennagins

but inside a force cage, and without profieciency in cha saves...

ridiculously powerful build , even if many 'experts' decry it

[bronze wave]

What did you do to warrant 6 pit fiends

[formal peak]

Shenanigans im sure

[violet basin]

pissed off the wrong archdevil.

[ebon dome]

How fun

[violet basin]

and then went wandering about the evil town alone, and half-bloodied

[formal peak]

Seee this is why people need Barb/rune knight bodyguards

[violet basin]

so, both in character, and as a player, i totally deserved getting my ass kicked for six rounds by five pit fiends, inside a forcecage, with both silvery barbs and counterspell enhanced pit fiend on the outside

[formal peak]

Epic kaiju battles

[violet basin]

but it was a damn good show, as I made ZERO attacks against them. I was just chugging potions, and redrawing the deck of wonder, or simply just dodging.

deck of wonder, btw, good item

[ebon dome]

Or just dimension door

[formal peak]

Let them fight...

[ebon dome]

Good point

[violet basin]

my cape of mountebanke got counterspelled

[snow zephyr]

Playing 52 pickup with the deck of many things

You're already dealing with flames, you're gonna be fine

[formal peak]

The dm gets to hit you with a chair irl

Roll initiative

[violet basin]

The DM hit me with a chair (the Bagman)

[snow zephyr]

Making the DM resolve an entire deck is a D&DDoS attack

[formal peak]

I am the Bagman

[snow zephyr]

I am a regular person and I can be trusted to leave the fabric of reality alone

[violet basin]

we shortcuted it to the most important bits, for deck of wonder

gaining permanent wis, int, cha saving throws
the Destiny card (ignore dying one time,)
the card that sends you to an extra dimensional thing for a couple of minutes

I was TRYING to get sent to the little extra dimensional plane, but we had to resolve the cards in order because my cha save was low, and the force cage prevents extra dimensional travel or teleporting without a dc 21 cha save.

and i kept, getting, unlucky, with the order of the cards being pulled 4 turns in a row 🙁

and still failing cha saves

meanwhile, im just basically standing there tanking pit fiend hits and out of potions, abilities, or anything else at that point...

so i put a bag, in a bag, and the bagman roll happened

[snow zephyr]

Dispel magic is simply to die for

[clear geyser]

I'm playing a 2024 Soul Knife , max level is either going to be a 5-6, how would Assassin fair with a Soul Knife? And would there be creatures that has immunity or resistance to psychic damage?

[snow zephyr]

The bagman cometh

[violet basin]

max level 5-6?

unplayable campaign

[snow zephyr]

I hope you plan on getting good with items for like 12 sessions

[clear geyser]

eventually, its a starter's campaign

[snow zephyr]

No, I mean you need to get really and truly familiar with the equipment table for supplies like caltrops and then Google Rube Goldberg

[ebon dome]

Five or six??

[clear geyser]

still depend on the dm, but its a early campaign to test out players, with eventually expansion to the next story of the module

[meager fractal]

Asmodeus was not pleased

[coarse ravine]

Are you asking if monster have resistances or immunities to pyschic?

[red steppe]

Oh peak

[ebon dome]

So basically the epilogue of a campaign?

[coarse ravine]

Name a damage type besides force.... maybe even force has a immunity monster. But most damages will have at least one monster thats immune or resistant. Psychic is rare so shouldn't see it too often.

[clear geyser]

just hit level 3 so having a hard time figuring out what subclass to go with,
I'm playing an Assassin Rogue on an almost ending campaign
A thief on another
We don't talk about Arcane Trickster
So there's Soul Knife, which looks great on paper with Charlatan background, problem is I'm worried about if creatures with psychic resistance would be a concurring theme

[clear geyser]

yeap

I personally think Assassin is the best one however also wish to try out Soul Knife, just worry it'll be more cons than pros

[violet basin]

fairly close, but not asmoedeus.
archdevil for the campaign/world of the dm's own making

[coarse ravine]

I mean if you are fighting extremely intelligent creatures.. they might have it. But wise monsters don't have it or all the beefy ones mostly.

Just ones that are usually intelligent and causing psychic damage back to you

[clear geyser]

mindflyers essentially ?

[ebon dome]

I like that idea

[coarse ravine]

I just looked it up

For 5e at least 2014 theres only 4 monsters in the entire monster manual that are resistant. Another 22 that are immune

[clear geyser]

my biggest concern is going into combat and then dealing half damage because monsters have resistance or immunity to psychic damage

[coarse ravine]

I think you'll be fine

[clear geyser]

oh what about 2024? i reckon it got expanded- hah

[coarse ravine]

22 monsters you cant damage. Another 4 you will do half. The rest of the 1500+ monsters you will damage

[coarse ravine]

Sais If a creature is mindless (construct, some undead) or has an alien, powerful mind (aberrations, certain celestials), it's a strong candidate for psychic immunity or resistance.

[meager fractal]

Wow dreadnought armor artificer seems really good

[clear geyser]

hmm...easiest work around it would be to just go crossbow expert or dual wielder

[fathom dagger]

Just wanted to say hello! Just joined the server and wanted to introduce myself. Hope everyone is doing great today~ 🫶🤙 DM's open!

[meager fractal]

Hello

What would be a decent party composition for a 5-man party that includes an armorer artificer and a life cleric??

[copper ivy]

Hello

[violet basin]

3 more clerics or 3 more paladins, or a mix of them

[stuck shuttle]

Honestly you can do whatever you feel like. Maybe another spell caster and a martial just for variety

[bronze wave]

Like anything. Nearly any combo could fine. Actually literally every combo could work fine

[violet basin]

if it is a 2014 campaign, 3 sharpshoter, xbe gloomstalkers

[bronze wave]

You could have 3 fiend warlocks and it would look good lol. There’s so much build variety in tha

[visual dew]

I have sum Questions since it’s my first time playing dnd and I’ve organized it with sum friends and the DM my friend is also playing for the first time is there any specific rules that are kinda important to playing that I need to know prior before going in I’ve watched a bunch of YouTube vids so I think I’m good but just in case yk

[stuck shuttle]

Just the basics + character creation rules + your class rules

So the first 2 sections of the Basic Rules, and that’s pretty much it

[compact moss]

Hello. I’m looking more for playing a campaign with a dm by play by post and if other characters and players stories cross or interact cool but it’s not a full open world if that makes sense

[coarse ravine]

Do you have a ps5? Or any other console

[fathom dagger]

I'm personally kind of generic.. so I'd say fill one slot with another ranged and the last slots with close quarters. Aside from that.. if you want to stay on theme, make the entire party a group of casters! 😁

[visual dew]

Yes

[coarse ravine]

Bg3 is a 2 hour trial... can teach you alot on the basics

[coarse ravine]

^

[stuck shuttle]

If you wanted to use this server to find a game, check out the instructions in #find-a-game !

I actually would not recommend BG3 as a replacement for reading the Basic Rules. There’s quite a few important differences

[undone fable]

whats soul knife?

[stuck shuttle]

It’s better as a supplement, and only if you have the time / money to buy it

A Rogue subclass, which means that idea is impossible since you can’t multi-subclass

[visual dew]

Also could get the answer for this from reading the hand book but I’m saving myslef sum time other than spasific abilities being added what happens when u level up cuz most of the basic guides just give u stats for level 1 but don’t specify what happens when increasing

[undone fable]

i love rogue-ranger

[visual dew]

From what I’m assuming it’s points being added to ur characters traits but wouldn’t that get too high at a certain point?

[stuck shuttle]

The rules for leveling up are found in the Basic Rules, found here:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024/creating-a-character#LevelAdvancement

Essentially:

• You increase your HP based on your class & con mod
• You gain 1 extra hit die
• You get any additional features as listed by your class page

Also we might want to move this conversation to #dnd-newcomers

[visual dew]

Okay didn’t pay attention to the channels mb

[clear geyser]

It's a rogue with everything it does comes from the soul
(Kidding essentially psychic user)

[coarse ravine]

Was specifically speaking for actions bonus actions movement etc

Reactions...

[undone fable]

noice

i wanna have more psionic stuff. I hope for psion content soon

[craggy cairn]

(Spoilers ahead for Curse of Strahd) My whole COS group turned evil after the ||Amber Temple|| and I’m the only neutral/good(?) aligned left. What do I do

[coarse ravine]

Everything is different for bards its jack of all trades.
For druids its wildshape.
For fighter its action surge. Every class gets different abilities depending on the level that you reach.

[clear geyser]

I'm worried I might get told off to move Convo so I'm continuing this in the beginners channel

[undone fable]

okie

[earnest minnow]

Wdym

[craggy cairn]

I’m the only neutral player left in the group, ||given the fact that I haven’t taken a dark bargain and will refuse to take one,|| and it’s kind of resulted in my character being singled out a couple times (for example, being thrown into a room to check for traps)

Frankly I’m not sure how to move forward like this, but the players themselves are nice. It’s just the characters

[hushed mason]

That is unfortunate, as it changes a great deal. I'm not sure how you remedy that when you're already into a campaign.

[bronze wave]

In char would it make sense for them to stay? Either one make your party turn back or your char would prob leave the party

I’d bring it this up in game tho seems like a big talking point

I’m sure your dm make smth occur for this to happen

[craggy cairn]

I can try something like that

[bronze wave]

I don’t think it’s bad to have a char always leave a campaign without it being a death

[alpine plume]

Hey guys, can a creature with truesight negate the cloak of displacement. In the description it says that any creature makes attack at disadvantage, but it also says its an illusion which truesight see's through.

[bronze wave]

You char arc came to a natural conclusion given the events.

[bronze wave]

RAW vs how you read it. I’d say no personally

[alpine plume]

you would say cloak of displacement gives disadvantage no matter the creatures truesight or not

[bronze wave]

Yes

[alpine plume]

awesome, thanks

[bronze wave]

But that’s a dm thing I could see someone saying no nd that also make sense

[alpine plume]

yeye, i see

[bronze wave]

I like RAW rules normally

[alpine plume]

what is RAW rules

[bronze wave]

Rules as written. Basically you read it for what it does and don’t add other stuff even if it makes sense

[hushed mason]

In 3.5, they make it very explicit "the subject sees through normal and magical darkness, notices secret doors hidden by magic, sees the exact locations of creatures or objects under blur or displacement effects, "

[alpine plume]

got it, ty

[bronze wave]

Example acid splash could melt a lock but o woudlnt allow that in a game

[alpine plume]

i dont think mine is gonna rule it, so just to make it easier ill just get a ring of pro

[empty thicket]

you could freeze it and break it too, vortex wrap it, animate it and make it open maybe using charisma, throw acid to it, grow some plants on it and break the internal lock, etc. etc.

Depend of how deep your Dm want to make the things go

[craggy cairn]

Seduce the lock

[empty thicket]

God forbid someone using persuade and being so good that end up seducing the lock

[remote wadi]

Time to bring out the lockpick

[remote wadi]

Also, did you see my update?

[coarse ravine]

Ohhh youre getting a free magic item?

[alpine plume]

its a one shot 🙂

[coarse ravine]

That you get to pick?

[bronze wave]

I have no idea what your referring to ngl

[coarse ravine]

What's your class?

[old sluice]

Why not? A lock is an object, objects have HP. If the acid is enough to bring those HP to 0, the lock is broken.
Then I would roll a die to see if the lock being broken means it's open or stuck as locked

[alpine plume]

sorcerer

[remote wadi]

Remember how I was struggling to find a good use case for my ranger in the campaign?

[bronze wave]

Bc it would be annoying to balance its abusable

It makes perfect sense to have it be that way (i also don’t give hp to locks)

[bronze wave]

Not at all no. I don’t remember most convos here lol

[old sluice]

How is it annoying to balance? Objects have HP. That's just basic rules

[coarse ravine]

I mean a +1 to ac and +1 saves is nice. But is he allowing any rare*

Or only allowing yall options?

[alpine plume]

lol yes, its a lvl 14 one shot with access to all magical items, one artifact, one very rare, 2 rares

[remote wadi]

Long story short, Chunky Crits and a Mana point system in the campaign I am in made Spellcasters and our Paladin quite powerful

[coarse ravine]

Assuming your very rare is the blood vial +3?

[bronze wave]

Oh I remember now. That was the Perkins crit guy

[remote wadi]

Yep

[bronze wave]

What was your solution

[coarse ravine]

Or the tome for charisma? Whatcha going with?

[alpine plume]

my very rare is the strig feather robe

[remote wadi]

Instead of going Ranger/Fighter, going Ranger/Rogue with Gloomstalker and Assassin

[coarse ravine]

Ay yo.... we in the same server hahahahaha

What you getting? Bison range right?

[alpine plume]

nah, i used to play in his server. Im not too active there anymore

[coarse ravine]

Oh he said he's doing a high level one shot with magic items. Didn't know if that was this

[alpine plume]

nope

[coarse ravine]

Well what items ya thinkin?

[bronze wave]

Sounds good, I’m not much of a rogue guy but you might be able to do a third dip of battle master fighter still. I’m not much of a meta matcher but like

Lvl5 gloomstalker
Lvl3 BM
Lvl3 assassin

[coarse ravine]

Could totally go blood vial +1 for uncommon... I mean yes a +2 and +3 are nice for dc. But so many good very rares and rares. You still get your metamagic thing with the item so its good.

[alpine plume]

well if u wanna know what i got, then i have mask of the dragon queen, strig feather robe, amulet of health, and ring of protection. my stats are 18,18,19,19,20,22

[coarse ravine]

Epic

[alpine plume]

i might get that blood vile instead of the ring of pro

[coarse ravine]

I looked at those masks. If you can become immune to fire somehow. You then can heal from fire damage with those masks

[alpine plume]

mhm

[coarse ravine]

Insane!!

[alpine plume]

im using lightning, with elemental adept so they cant resist lightning damage

and im gonna spam chromatic orb at high levels with saving spells

[coarse ravine]

Instead of the ring ya don't want the blood vial?

[alpine plume]

i said ^

[coarse ravine]

Let me see what that robe does

Sounds neat.

[alpine plume]

its rlly good

its my favorite very rare item. its js so fun

[remote wadi]

I don't think doing a third is possible. Either way, I intend to make 5 ranger, 6 Rogue. That extra sneak attack damage and expertises will add up fast

[bronze wave]

Go for it, I was thinking in terms of nova dmging

[lyric idol]

Sorcerous Burst > Chromatic Orb.

[remote wadi]

I already am going nova

[bronze wave]

Ik fighter leans into it more with action surge

[coarse ravine]

I see

You can essentially dump charisma

[remote wadi]

Assassinate with Chunky Crits, though...

[mystic geode]

hi guys

[alpine plume]

its 3 😛

[coarse ravine]

Omg lol

[alpine plume]

and so is my con

[empty thicket]

from who is the sorcerous burst? im checking lists and cant find it

[bronze wave]

That’s why I said to go all3 but again it sounds fine. I don’t rlly meta play so idk lol it sounds fun

[alpine plume]

sorcerer cantrip 🙂

[lyric idol]

Oh its a 2024 cantrip

[empty thicket]

oh man, let see

[coarse ravine]

Yeah I don't know these new terms either lol

[remote wadi]

I'm not exactly going meta as much as I am going "This is what my character would totally be in DnD"

[alpine plume]

also no, cause exploding 8s is rlly hard to get off. bouncing 8s is where its atttt

[umbral girder]

Nah exploding 8s isn’t that hard

[lyric idol]

Sorcerous burst is Chromatic orb but it doesnt bounce and instead on 8s gives extra damage rolls.

[alpine plume]

it rlly is

[lyric idol]

Bad luck for you ig its easy for me.

[umbral girder]

It’s only a 1/8 chance after all

[alpine plume]

every time a chromatic bounces is 2x damage, an exploding 8 is maybe 1/4

and its js poopoo

[umbral girder]

Super easy to do as a Sorcerer too

Because meta magic after all.

[lyric idol]

At higher levels I've hit 30 damage with Sorcerous burst on occasion.

[alpine plume]

ive easily smashed 200

[lyric idol]

Higher levels = more chances to crit.

[umbral girder]

Getting a Critical hit with it is devastating too

[lyric idol]

Yeah its so nasty.

And because its a damage type of your choice, its never useless.

[empty thicket]

Still cantrip Vs spell is unfair honestly.
More considerating that Chromatic orb need a diamond worth +50gp
It seems like a good lvl 1 spell but not easy to pull off early.

[umbral girder]

The Perkins Crit rule should never be on the same game as Sorcerous Burst

Because that’s guaranteed 8s

That makes a Cantrip the same level as disintegrate

[remote wadi]

But the first round damage is unbelievably high with this combo. With a hunting rifle, Piercer,
Favored Foe, Hunter's Mark, level 6 sneak attack, and crit, my level 11 character is doing an average of 99 piercing damage.
I can still get 2 extra attacks (3 if Bard casts Haste) to deal attacks without sneak attack. Even then, each of those attacks are doing 70+ on average

[umbral girder]

K

[bronze wave]

Whatever I need for my smites

[lyric idol]

Agree but...its soooo nasty 😅

[umbral girder]

Nah it out damages any smite a Paladin does

[remote wadi]

And that's just for the damage side of it too
I also get crazy high initiative, Stealth, and Perception modifiers, as well as being incapable of rolling disadvantage from positioning, range, or darkness. I also get to deny any benefits from half and three quarters cover

[lyric idol]

Yeah Sorcerous burst easily outscales smite, hunters mark, and I cant decide if it quite outshines eldritch blast.

[remote wadi]

Hunter's Mark? Probably
But with Chunky Crits? Idk, Assassinate is one heck of a game changer

[lyric idol]

Yeah but its a cantrip. And one on the sorcerers' spell list. Meaning you can cast it multiple times, or cast a levelled spell and then it with quicken spell. And Wild Magic sorcerer can make sure that thing has advantage so wild magic surge is being triggered every round.

[empty thicket]

Ice knife is a good spell?
im going to use it like offensive lvl 1 spell (lvl 1 wizard) with False life for survival and comprehend languages for utility.
I still have one free spell slot, any advice to add there?

[lyric idol]

Its decent.

[umbral girder]

It can be useful but is niché

[umbral girder]

Eh the version of 5e with Sorcerous Burst has a weaker Assassinate

[empty thicket]

1d10 of piercing and 2d6 of ice damage in a 5ft space so, it seems useful

for just water that i always try to carry on me

[umbral girder]

How often are bad guys with in 5ft of each other is the main question

Also a dex save.
Also it’s cold damage

[empty thicket]

pierce one and make it explode behind him

[remote wadi]

It being a cantrip is undoubtedly strong, but so is being able to get at least 3 guaranteed critical hits.
Like, it's not guaranteed, but it may as well be when you expertise in Stealth and Perception, as well as a super high initiative and attack roll modifier

[lyric idol]

Early game a lot if we're being real. Bur late game.

[umbral girder]

I’d probably look for other spells for first level than ice knife

[fickle dragon]

Hello humans 👀

[empty thicket]

and its AOE and singular damage.
But im open for another options

[umbral girder]

Yeah not even that good damage notably. It needs 2 dice rolls to be effective for Ice Knife

[remote wadi]

On average, the biggest strike is 99 piercing damage, while weaker hits are 72 with Chunky Crits

That's like casting 4 PWKs at the start of every combat while only needing to cost ammunition (or a second level spell slot if you like casting PWT)

[umbral girder]

Wizard right? Or is it a different class?

[empty thicket]

wizard, yes. We would start lvl 1 all of us so, my options arent much

[umbral girder]

Magic missile is easily the biggest winner for ranged damage options

[lyric idol]

Thats the thing. Youre talking a specific build. Sorcerer's strongest build is definitely wild magic sorcerer with quicken spell. Youre main damage/abilities is coming from the roll of wild magic and casting a levelled spell. The cantrip is just a bonus to make sure you trigger magic surge next round. The fact the cantrip just happens to have the chance to scale from 1 damage all the way to 50 damage of a element of your choice is just a bonus on top.

[empty thicket]

so 3d4+3 to one enemy or 1d4+1 to 3 enemies.
mmm....

[umbral girder]

It’s also force damage so never resisted at your level

Also it’s never misses (unless Tarrasque or a Shield spell)

Plus if the enemy is concentrating while you hit with this it’s 3 Con saves

[empty thicket]

True, might change teh knife for it and still have one spell slot free

[umbral girder]

Other option is Sleep

At level 1 is very strong (since you said 2014 I believe)

AOE turn skip and your melee Allies get a free critical hit

[empty thicket]

2024, but yeah

[umbral girder]

Ah then I recommend Ray of Sickness

[empty thicket]

Feel bad beating up someone that is sleep but i guess it is what it is

[umbral girder]

While it is poison damage, giving out a debuff on hit helps with control too

There is Thunderwave if an enemy gets too close to you

[empty thicket]

taking it with missiles

[umbral girder]

Since it’s a close ranged AOE to blast enemies away from you

[empty thicket]

if enemies get too close to me im dead. I will be in the most south back line possible

[umbral girder]

Or Longstrider for a buff to someone

If the maps get big

Expeditious Retreat is a good discount Misty step to get away

[remote wadi]

Quick question

Do you get extra proficiencies when multiclassing?

[umbral girder]

Only if it’s into Rogue, Ranger, or Bard

[remote wadi]

Nice

[empty thicket]

Not if you are like, a rogue that multiclass to fighter?

[umbral girder]

Rogue gives 2 and Ranger and Bard both do 1

[remote wadi]

As a Rogue/Ranger, I approve

[umbral girder]

Nope. Because you already started with 4 skills

[remote wadi]

So I could MC into Rogue and get stealth Proficiency?

[empty thicket]

oh wait, i might be having a misconception now. Nvm, i thought proficiency meaning weapons//armors.

[umbral girder]

Basically every class starts with 2 usually

[remote wadi]

Is that correct?

[umbral girder]

If you want sure. Or you can get a feat for it

[remote wadi]

I'll already have plenty of feats

[empty thicket]

might get find familiar to just have a cute frog mascot

or just a Hawk//Raven for some exploration in some areas

[umbral girder]

Or a crab

[empty thicket]

.....im not boiling it alive and eating it.

[umbral girder]

Well yeah it’s a familiar so you can’t

[empty thicket]

oh wait, you cant eat familiars? damn, spamming pigs for constant food isnt wort then i guess

no wait, i think a pig is like 5gp worth and the spell consume 10gp, nvm

Shame that you cant find familiar and get a horse too

[humble cairn]

You can get a deer. Which you can ride if you're Small.

[empty thicket]

Human size, medium

[craggy cairn]

Familiars are quite literally creatures of magic. They have physical forms, but there isn’t really much under the hood. Just weave.

Unless you can eat magic, familiars aren’t too good for that purpose

[empty thicket]

Im putting the frog familiar on my head because would be cute and sometimes im going to place it in my hand and squish it softly

[knotty pasture]

Isn't it more economical to cast Goodberry or Create Food and Water

Rather than summoning a familiar

[umbral girder]

Wizard

[empty thicket]

cant, im a wizard

[knotty pasture]

Oh right of course, shame

[empty thicket]

im getting the familiar for some exploration

[umbral girder]

You could just buy food after all. Rations are cheap

[empty thicket]

if it can see any enemy in the forward positions i can be prepared and cast false life on me or get a better position

[empty thicket]

Yep, will try to always get some dried meats and vegies.
If not will use the hawk to see and will hunt something
I guess i can save some cooking time with firebolting the creature

[craggy cairn]

One of the fun things about familiars is that they can act as scouts

Since you can sense what your familiar is sensing (sight, smells, etc)

[woven flint]

Howdy, friends

[craggy cairn]

We’ve made it a bit among my group where I’ll send my Imp Familiar, Catherine, to scout out a room before we enter since they can turn invisible

[empty thicket]

oh, i thought i had to make a way to communicate with the creature.
"How much creatures?" peck 4 times
South? Move head like no
East? Again no
West? Yes

[woven flint]

Wait until It encounters something with truesight

[craggy cairn]

We have. Several times

Strahd found it amusing that I was piloting my Imp like a drone

[stoic haven]

Good near-midnight yall

[umbral girder]

Are familiars even that smart?

[woven flint]

I think it depends on the familiar

[craggy cairn]

I know Imps are. They’re of average intelligence at least

[stoic haven]

Imps or sprite maybe

[woven flint]

Quasits are also a possibility

Maybe Pseudodragons

[empty thicket]

most are animals so normally its 1 or 3 int. So in theory that lower int mean the creature go for instinct

[craggy cairn]

Giant Toad as a familiar

[woven flint]

Forg

[coarse ravine]

Unless your playing a survival campaign ya shouldn't havw to worry too much

Depending on dm to dm.

[empty thicket]

a raven have 5 so in theory is the most intelligent familiar you can get

[empty thicket]

would make one that need you to remind to eat and do other stuff honestly.
Maybe make it some sort of "a group got lost in the middle of X"

[coarse ravine]

Im assuming you are a druid?

[empty thicket]

Nope, normally i go for fighter. I will try this time a Wizard.

Druid is weird for me honestly, its the few classes i find not appealing to me

[coarse ravine]

Dont ya want use that survival skill to go track down some wild game? Circle of life ya know... or if you're a vegan druid maybe some berries. Play the game how you wanta play tho.

You mentioned goodberry and create water so I thought that might be the case

[lilac kelp]

Wait. What's the intelligence of ogres? XD

[coarse ravine]

Also its the least class played....

[empty thicket]

But i said that about survival because i played a lot of a game that need you to be aware of that, a survival one called The long dark. Something like that i would make the players go through

[coarse ravine]

Yeah I was just saying from a goodberry standpoint. That spell list is druids. (IDK 2024 rules) as well as other subclasses im sure.

• I got a survival check I invested in for a reason.

Let me go find water and food lol

But yeah play how you want definitely. If goodberry is your thing go for it

[empty thicket]

5, yeah, its teh same intelligence an ogre than a raven

[lilac kelp]

Haha xD

[coarse ravine]

Thats wild

What's the most intelligent beast a giant eagle prolly?

[empty thicket]

in a third campaign im in, that its in standby for studies of the DM i have goodberries because we are in a harsh place. Its like a Stalker based campaign.

[coarse ravine]

Ravens are solitary creatures tho. Ogres def run in packs... gotta use that low intelligence for encounters for sure ahhah. Thats so crazy I thought you had to have like a 6 to conversate.

[coarse ravine]

Oh gotcha so no vegetation or wildlife. Nice

[teal hazel]

Hear me out on this character concept

A Monk who used to be a druid but got chased away from the circles after trying to introduce the idea of no wildshaping because they see humans as just another animal as they are apes, and try to achieve a connection to nature by deepening their understanding of their own body

Did I kill the convo?

Sorry

[empty thicket]

there can be some wildlife, but radiation is a problem. Goodberrie is just some utility//survival.
I didnt picked any offensive spell and had to pay for it. Had to face a big enemy alone and almost killed him but ran out of bullets in the gun and got giga destroyed. If i had hunters mark o Zephyr Strike i would killed it

[empty thicket]

XD, dont worry, it happen
The thing is, how you justify all that in terms of gameplay, unless is one of this campaign you can use 2 classes at the same time.
Get X feat to justify it in some way is a good way

[teal hazel]

Magic initiate druid would be the one no? And it uses wisdom too in case of offensive cantrips

[empty thicket]

Yeah, if you want to attach to the bit, its a way

[teal hazel]

Also, shilleighlay or however do you write it

Does it work well with monks?

[craggy cairn]

Quarterstaffs are monk weapons, so yes it would work

[empty thicket]

you have it easier than me, i want to think some characters from a game im playing "Slay the spire" and another
A living armor that idk if i just do a reflavor of a construct

[teal hazel]

Would it be good tho? I mean would a monk benefit from it?

[craggy cairn]

I mean, yeah?

Spell casting modifier becomes the modifier of the weapon, the weapon itself becomes magical, and the damage die goes up to 1d8

With high wisdom, you get some pretty great bonuses to physical combat

[empty thicket]

And maybe make it like an artificer and if the DM let me have it a permanent Arcane propulsion armor on it.

[old sluice]

It is good for the first few levels. Eventually the monk using the quarterstaff normally is just straight up better than Shillelagh

[humble cairn]

Shillelagh gets up to 2d6, which is better than a d12.

[humble cairn]

Yes, but that kind of depends on whether you're going to go full Wis or Full Dex.

But I guess you can mix and match, use Dex for attack and and the 2d6 from Shillelagh.

[coarse ravine]

What 2 cantrips ya getting?

Sheleleigh and what else

[old sluice]

Oh yeah. Didn't consider that. Come to think of it, a quarterstaff is simply better when using shillelagh at any level. Damn. 2024 really buffed those spells

[humble cairn]

Shillelagh is really nice.

[empty thicket]

A living armor (reflavor of contrsuct) artifcier, battle smith that have Arcane propulsion armor always on (obviously making one infusion less) and for drawback if i get attacked by a Dispel magic i get stunned and counterspell make me have 0 feets of movement.
It is a good idea or bad?

[humble cairn]

You'll realy want to precast it, though since a Monk's BA is so valuable.

[coarse ravine]

But using wisdom to hit is different then using strength

Maybe monks can use quarterstaff with dex?

[humble cairn]

But you get the choice of using Str, Dex or Wis.

[coarse ravine]

It's normally strength right?

[humble cairn]

Yes, they can because it is a Monk Weapon.

[knotty pasture]

Monks can use Quarterstaff with dex

[coarse ravine]

Ahh ok

[humble cairn]

By default, yes.

[knotty pasture]

Spears too (arguably better than quarterstaves)

Stab with spear until your hands are good enough to ora ora the enemy

[humble cairn]

But not usable with Shillelagh.

[coarse ravine]

So I mean.... idk their build here.

But monk would be better off attacking with that dex right?

[humble cairn]

I joined the conversation right when they asked if Shillelagh is good for Monks.

[humble cairn]

Usually, but there are some niche Monk builds that go for Wis over Dex.

But even if they don't use the Wis for attacking with the Shillelagh, they can still use to upgraded damage dice.

[coarse ravine]

This is true

[humble cairn]

So cast Shillelagh, but use your Dex instead and still benefit from the upgraded damage dice.

[coarse ravine]

Also the key factor here....

Force damage.

[humble cairn]

Early access to Force damage. Monk will still get that on their unarmed strikes by level 6.

[coarse ravine]

Yes but not for that quarterstaff right?

[humble cairn]

Correct

[coarse ravine]

So a build that utilizes quarterstaff id rule a good option. For the force damage

[coarse ravine]

I think it will work based on the build. Smart move to use dex ^ like said prior

[empty thicket]

Adamantine Quarterstaff would be epic

[craggy cairn]

Adamantine stick

[empty thicket]

Yep, can even make it part of the bit of Monks reducing Enemies AC and break armor//scales

[teal hazel]

You know what I actually hadnt thought about it, I mean guidance is always cool to have for oneself I guess

[coarse ravine]

Exactly

[cinder timber]

How is everyone?

[coarse ravine]

I was gonna recommend that or mold earth. Or something else for utility

Thornwhip also... not a bad spell.

[teal hazel]

I started the convo with "hear me out on this character concept" I still havent built the guy lol

[knotty pasture]

Guidance is better but only if no one in your team has it

Otherwise create bonfire, thorn whip

[coarse ravine]

Can he unarmerd strike after the thornwhip?

With his bonus action? Or does he have to attack first with a weapon?

[knotty pasture]

Flurry of blows I think yes

I never tried out Monk yet myself lol

[coarse ravine]

I haven't either

[empty thicket]

X3, its a "Strong" class, a "soft tank" but not my total thing honestly

[knotty pasture]

Its not really that strong (2014 at least)

[humble cairn]

In 2014 no, in 2024 yes.

Mobile Skirmisher and Melee Control. I think Monk takes a bit of tactical awareness to play well. They have the kit to be almost anywhere on the battlefield and can suppress and take out high value targets. They also have a good suite of defensive options, but they compete with their offense so you have to know when to use which abilities.

[coarse ravine]

I think they can downright win you encounters id they invest in wisdom and land those con saves.

Honestly... a great build would be eloquence bard dip to help ya with those con saves.

[knotty pasture]

Hmm I dunno about making Monk MAD

[umbral girder]

Monk is fun for that mobility

[empty thicket]

It get a lot of effects per level for me, literally almost every level give you some new effect

[coarse ravine]

Id say if built right its strong. If built wrong... can be a weak link

[empty thicket]

Without adding the subclass

[humble cairn]

There are Wisdom SAD Monk builds, but Wisdom is already one of their primary stats anyway, you want a decent Wisdom.

[coarse ravine]

It's a class play it to have fun.

[knotty pasture]

No I mean like multiclassing Monk to Bard

[coarse ravine]

Just decreasing con saves by a 1d6 is pretty nice.

[humble cairn]

3 levels of Bard just for that? Ehh, rather get Cleric Initiate for Bane.

[empty thicket]

oh yeah, that rarely happen with almost every class. There is few classes that are "hard" to build wrong

[coarse ravine]

Con saves on monsters is wild!

[knotty pasture]

Nah, not when you need to split across 4 stats

[coarse ravine]

Thats a option.

[cinder timber]

how is it going, Ophidimancer?

[humble cairn]

2014 Monk almost never wanted to mc, they wanted all the monk levels they could get. Monk '24 is a bit more forgiving, but it's still probably not great.

[coarse ravine]

Well when I say wrong... I mean when my level 10 monk has a wisdom of 14. Now it's not wrong especially with point buy. But that stunning strike is the core power of monk..... and mobility

[humble cairn]

Not bad, though Discord is distracting me from the show I want to watch, lol

[cinder timber]

fair enough lol. I got a schedule change and had to drop 2 campaigns :(

[humble cairn]

Luckily Monk '24's Stunning Strike still has benefits even if the target passes the save.

[coarse ravine]

Oh really?

[humble cairn]

Yep, they lose half their Speed and the next attack against them has Adv.

[empty thicket]

the thing with monk is he scale a lot in his own raw way.
Not using any magic weapons or armor like other martial (if you go for unnamed combat mostly)
Get a lot of ways to get rid of effects and dodge even nullify some attacks.

[deft pine]

Chat why shouldn't I run minotaur wizard

[coarse ravine]

Cant hate on the languages feature

It's great.

[humble cairn]

No reason, have fun!

[empty thicket]

shaman Minotaur

[coarse ravine]

Because you'll never be able to get mazed

[deft pine]

Im already amazing

[humble cairn]

Ahh, you're looking at Monk '14 then. Monk '24 doesn't have that one.

[deft pine]

Shaman minotaur would be dope. Would that fit better as cleric instead? Still a newb

[coarse ravine]

Maze is crazy cause I dont think its a saving throw. Youre just stuck there. But minotoars are the only thing that spell doesn't work on.

[deft pine]

War cleric minotaur?

Might be nuts actually. Maybe not meta but usable

[old sluice]

It's still funny to me that D&D minotaurs are immune to labyrinths when the whole point of the original minotaur was that he couldn't escape a labyrinth

[empty thicket]

that and a lot more, like, the fact you get that many effects, defensive making you really hard to get hit and even if they land a hit you get like tons of resistances and immunities

[coarse ravine]

That and almost nothing is immune to stun

Only power word heal cures stun i think.

So.. very powerful if ya can get that off. Definitely some dps on other builds as well

[empty thicket]

Legendary resistance and that it is

but again, no extra effects from items and stuff like armor//weapons

[deft pine]

Interesting. I thought it was just his purpose to guard or something

I suppose I never really thought about it. Im not much of a thinker

I do just really like them in concept and visuals

[teal hazel]

Druid minotaur that only wildshapes their upper half

[empty thicket]

the idea is Wizard minotaur, in some way he can make it do attacks with true strike and other close attack spells

some sort of battle wizard in some way. Thunderwaves and true strikes

Mage armor and shield for defensive. The only problem is the low HP of the class

[craggy cairn]

I need a name for a giant toad

[deft pine]

I was thinking tempest cleric

A sort of storm caller type dude that isnt terrible in melee

[cinder timber]

Bulbus

[teal hazel]

Beel :D

[reef tundra]

You’re right, that is hilarious

I guess their intention was to make the minotaurs feel like they were there by choice?

[teal hazel]

Its because minotaurs learn from their mistakes

[glass granite]

To be fair, it was a VERY good labyrinth

[reef tundra]

Okay now that’s genius

[reef tundra]

Yeah. Odysseus only got through because he cheatin

[glass granite]

Heh

[reef tundra]

And heart breakin

[glass granite]

Wrong hero, Amity

You’re thinking Theseus

[teal hazel]

They could wildshape their lower half into a horse, Minocent? Taurtaur?

[lyric idol]

Is top half minoman and bottom half Taurtaur?

[glass granite]

Odysseus encountered a fair few beings, but Asterius was NOT one of them

[stable sphinx]

didn’t there used to be a vc here?

[reef tundra]

I knew it was one of those two and I guess the wrong one 😭

[glass granite]

lol

[teal hazel]

Funnier thought, its the type of minotaur with just the bull head, so "lower half" is just all the rest of the body, so a normal horse body with a bulls head

[empty thicket]

Star devour

[reef tundra]

Gribbit

Feels toad-y to me

[teal hazel]

Any devils name coz giant toads were named after beelzebub

I know, lord of flies and all, but still

[stable sphinx]

didn’t this server used to have a vc?

[humble cairn]

Bufo that's the Genus that toads belong to.

[reef tundra]

No

Clue

But I can’t recall any VC

[stable sphinx]

i see. was ab to say, mandela effect is kicking in hard 😭 istg i was in a vc a few weeks ago in this server lmaoo

[reef tundra]

There are a few event ones sometimes

[noble basin]

Yeah there's a stage

No vcs in a very long time though

[deft pine]

Is there anywhere I can make a Minotaur character sheet without paying

[glass granite]

Homebrew one

[stable sphinx]

i seee, i think it was stage i was in than lol i just remember talking to a few people in a vc a few weeks ago

[glass granite]

Or find a group with someone who owns the book

[empty thicket]

search in some page, copy all the data and use a homebrew option or make a group with someone with the book

[glass granite]

Oh that might’ve been the trivia?

[deft pine]

Ill probably copy it. I think my dm has an entire homebrew world anyway

[stable sphinx]

i honestly don’t remember. i just remember we were just bs w everyone, like there wasn’t an event or objective

[empty thicket]

Yeah, sadly for some pages and stuff you need to buy the whole thing.
Understandable but its like those games that force you to get a DLC to follow a meta or just make hte game more interesting in many aspects

[deft pine]

Can I homebrew a race in dnd beyond? My dm's minotaur is functionally different than wotc's

[pliant sapphire]

Yes, you can

[deft pine]

Might be blind..not seeing it. Ill look tomorrow

[pliant sapphire]

Click here -> https://www.dndbeyond.com/homebrew/creations/create-species

[deft pine]

Thanx homie

[deft pine]

So my dm is running a brutal realistic campaign, where my minotaur specifically is all but hurenteed to not find armor that fits. How do I survive as a cleric in that case

[hot gate]

Pay people to make a fitting armor?

[pliant sapphire]

MI: Wizard to get mage armor?

[hot gate]

I have many questions when people try to do "brutal realism" in dnd, especially 5e, but it's probably best to direct such questions at your DM, since they are the only one who knows what will or won't work.

[pliant sapphire]

A Minotaur cleric is brutally realistic

[deft pine]

Broke :[

[deft pine]

I can forward questions if you want to ask. He's not on discord tho

[hot gate]

For now

[deft pine]

We are doomscrolling in his basement so I can ask rn

[hot gate]

I'm good. It was mostly in the context of trying to help you. You can ask yourself what it would take for your minotaur to get fitting armor in this brutal realism game.

[deft pine]

Middle o' Civil war, so most armorers are either conscripted or taking advantage of the v high demand and asking crazy prices

Dwarven empire vs multi race conglomerate

[heavy oxide]

probably dont play a minotaur if it would be that hard if you still want to i guess youd just have to pay them a huge amount

what rules are you using

[deft pine]

I would prefer a more tribal pelt based set for aesthetic and lore anyway

[deft pine]

I think mostly it not all regular?

[heavy oxide]

im meaning 2024 or 2014

[hot gate]

People get by on their starting armor for a long time.

[deft pine]

2014

[heavy oxide]

there goes my idea

[deft pine]

Wachu thinking

[heavy oxide]

you could use hide armour or flavour the chain shirt you get as very beefy leather or something

if it was 2024 id say take magic initiate wizard to get mage armour

[deft pine]

Wait you may be a smart cookie

[heavy oxide]

like kratos in ragnarok

[hot gate]

2014 cleric could also grab chain mail if they're proficient. Chain mail, as far as starting armor goes, is really good.

[heavy oxide]

thats what i was meaning it could have the stats of chainmail but look like something else to fit the vibe

[hot gate]

yep for sure

[deft pine]

I probably wouldnt be face tanking anyway as a cleric

So a chain plus minotaur stats should be enough

[heavy oxide]

minotaur cleric does sound interesting

what subclass are you doing im just curious

[deft pine]

Im really into this storm seer vibe I want to do, so tempest

[heavy oxide]

now i wanna do a minotaur cleric of Baphomet

[deft pine]

Like since minotaurs and other non major races are usually living in small tribes or communities. I saw a shaman suggestion earlier and that led to the storm seer idea, which white scars(40k) have and I love those too

(In my campaign minor races are usually isolated from big cities and communities

[heavy oxide]

If you want to have a conflicting tribe of minotaurs to the storm seers ones that worship baphomet could be a good idea

[deft pine]

Im still meshing out the idea. I was thinking of a sort of "worshipping the clouds themselves" primitive religion vibe that was really a major god

Like theyre on the right track, but just surface level

[heavy oxide]

Baphomet was just an idea because his whole thing is returning the world to a more primordial stat like some worshippers gain animalistic traits

[deft pine]

Hmmm

I was thinking a Talos esque god but im gonna look into that idea

[heavy oxide]

If I remember he created minotaurs but I could be wrong

[craggy cairn]

Something I find amusing is how Kobolds are more dragon-like than Dragonborns

[deft pine]

I was also thinking since I wouldnt exactly be insanely tanky without plate, I was gonna use spirit guardians to try and punish attackers instead of being defensive

[heavy oxide]

You could also just tap plates of metal to your body as plate

You'll have a shield anyways

[deft pine]

Might spice that up as being ritualistic callousing and hardening of the skin to not break away from the tribal theme

WAIT WE ARE COOKING

[heavy oxide]

Hardening of skin could be a blessing of baphomet

IF you use him

He's the only one I can think of

The hardening of skin could still be a blessing of their god

[deft pine]

Maybe I can scheme thickening of hair to a chain mail level impenetrability and courseness, and some sort of acupuncture or tattoo ritual that thickens the skin

[heavy oxide]

Or something like those spear hand training things that people do to toughen their hands

[deft pine]

Youre so right

[fathom path]

Any ideas on a good sorcerer cantrip for cleric?

[deft pine]

Like callouses but over entire muscle groups

Im taking inspiration of the krogan for levels of discipline and rituals that involve harm and strengthening in their shamans

[heavy oxide]

What're you looking for?

[reef tundra]

Sorcerous Burst

[fathom path]

Don’t really know just wondering what be best for a support peace cleric.

[fathom path]

You’re like the second person who said that.

[reef tundra]

Okay then Sorcerous burst is not the one you should get

[reef tundra]

Probably because it’s the only sorcerer exclusive cantrip and is absolutely goated

[fathom path]

I mean you’re not wrong I was also thinking about it.

Only problem my race and class is well required me to be close.

[heavy oxide]

What're you playing?

[heavy oxide]

Also have to have the reasons why they follow their gods

[deft pine]

Was leaning into the refusal to fall to the mindless beastly side of their species with conscious faith in nature itself. I havent put much thought past that

[heavy oxide]

Baphomet would definitely be an enemy then

So nvm on that

[old sluice]

Actually Baphomet has very high intelligence and wisdom. I would think he wants minotaurs to be cleverer and more mindful

[worn patrol]

Hey guys, never played dnd, thinking of giving it a go online. Where do people recommend? I’m seeing roll20 mentioned a lot 😁

[heavy oxide]

His whole thing is making more creatures and hating civilization

[old sluice]

Well yeah. But he is not bestial

[heavy oxide]

Hes still the embodiment of savagery so it's close enough

[old sluice]

Well he does have rather violent bestial instincts but his most important quality is how clever he is

[heavy oxide]

I know he's funnily enough a scienctist making new monster like the minotaur

[glass granite]

Reddit, #find-a-game ,dnd beyond forums and roll20 are the main ones off the top of my head

[craggy cairn]

Thinking about the Giant Toad miniature I have

[heavy oxide]

i need more minis

sadly i dont really have anymore room for them

[craggy cairn]

I’m probably going to have to downsize when I travel to a proper college

[heavy oxide]

oh like dorm rooms? we dont have stuff like that here so thankfully i wont have to get rid of my minis

[craggy cairn]

I have no idea what living in a dorm is going to be like..

[heavy oxide]

ive got the balagos ancient red dragon model and i would die if i had to get rid of it

damn thing cost too much

[heavy oxide]

whats everyones favorite class and subclass

[glass granite]

Elemental Warrior monk!

[fair summit]

Ranger for life 😎

[glass granite]

Subclass?

[heavy oxide]

personally i love monk way of shadow

[spark harness]

Hi

[heavy oxide]

its very easy to write for

[glass granite]

Ah LOVE that one

[fair summit]

My favourite subclass is probably Echo Knight 🤔

[glass granite]

Top three subclass for me
And yes all my fav subclasses are monks

Except eloquence bard. That one goes hard

[idle oar]

Shadow monks are good at neutralizing caster threats...
hard to cast when you can't see (darkness) or verbalize (silence)

[still plover]

Still warlock for me.

[glass granite]

Warlock is sick too, always wanted to play one

[heavy oxide]

i love great old one warlocks mostly because being able to cast enchantment and illusion spells without somatic or verbal components

[glass granite]

Also hard to cast when your face is punched in :D

[fair summit]

Lot of customization, warlock is definitely on my list of classes I wanna play properly

[heavy oxide]

and the stories you can make for goolocks is always great

[still plover]

It's the Charisma focus combined with the flexibility of invocations I really like.

[heavy oxide]

warlock is my second favorite class

[fair summit]

I did play one in a level 20 one shot, but at that point said warlock was mainly built around a gimmick lol

[glass granite]

Warlock has soooo many possibilities for backstory, them and paladins are my fav ones to write stories for

Monk is fun, but their backstories are somehow harder to make interesting for me

[heavy oxide]

monks are so fun to play but GOD backstories are so hard shadow monks are definitely easier to write for

[glass granite]

Eh, I usually take some sort of idea either from their backstory, a trope I like, their species or their subclass

[heavy oxide]

one shadow monk i did was a dhampir but more themed on the strigoi from folklore

[glass granite]

For example, a Dhampir monk utilising his vampiric ancestry and powerful self discipline to combat evil wretches before the Red Thirst inside him cons-
Yooo dhampir monk too?

[heavy oxide]

just a different type of vampire

[glass granite]

(To finish, “consumes him”)

[heavy oxide]

dhampir monk is what ive played the most

[heavy oxide]

question still stands for anyone that joins in

[past axle]

you can pry aberrant sorcery and ranger hunter out of my cold dead hands 🙌

[fair summit]

I played a Reborn Shadow monk for a horror themed one shot, and man monks are wild

She was a girl of assassin parents, who taught her to kill through games, so when she and the family died in a fire and she somehow was revived, she still considered her killing skills as just games. Basically the creepy child type from horror 😏

[heavy oxide]

aberrant sorcery and goolock is one of my favorite multiclasses

[heavy oxide]

theyre demons without armour or weapons i wish they made monk subclasses easier to write for

[past axle]

HOWEVER! if we include homebrew, i will make an exception to my dislike of playing full martial classes because i love the pugilist class. either arena royale or squared circle subclass

[glass granite]

You can write their backstory like anyone without spellcasting, technically. Flavour is free, and you can always change something thematically.

[heavy oxide]

i love doing horror themed or dark fantasy games because its so much more fun to write for than high fantasy and mostly that i like darker themes

[ivory holly]

Ahh im excited, where can I play a current playing campaign?

Or a new campaign idk

[glass granite]

Reddit, #find-a-game ,dnd beyond forums and roll20 are the main ones off the top of my head.

[ivory holly]

thanks ❤️

[heavy oxide]

my element monk tiefling was a underground boxer whose devil blood ended up manifesting him as the elemental monk stuff

[glass granite]

Helll yeahhhh
Tho personally I’d use astral self

[heavy oxide]

we were wanting to test out 2024 rules

[glass granite]

That’s reasonable

[heavy oxide]

i wanted to try new element monk backstory came afterwards

[glass granite]

2024 monks got a helluva upgrade

[heavy oxide]

his whole story revolves around if hes a demon like his parents think he is or just another unfortunate child

none of the characters i make have happy stories BUT they have parents

[past axle]

my current character’s backstory was written with loving parents that she just hadn’t seen in two years. as of the last two sessions, she got to see them again, but the party was tricked into cannibalizing her father(who was alive during this), and then her mother was used as a meat shield against her own spell(noble stat block against 2nd level witch bolt on a space that had two AOE spells also active, instant death), and her father’s skull was crushed. so like,,, she DID have parents, just not anymore lmaoo

[ivory holly]

Wow, your character must still have cannibalism nightmares

[heavy oxide]

my current druids mother got corrupted by magic trying to revive him cause she thought he died and no magic would work (he was alive) he doesnt know what his dads doing (i didnt know what to do with the dad so the dm decided to do something)

idk what hes done yet

[old sluice]

Your DM is my hero

[past axle]

we havent long rested since that happened 😀😀 when they left the kingdom it was being overrun by zombies and we fled by boat and barely escaped

[ivory holly]

Well that's- great yk knowing that you guys are atleast safe for now

[past axle]

DO NOT TELL HIM THAT HE LOVES TO TRAUMATIZE ME!!! everyone else got cool powers and nothing bad happened, my character did get a cool power but her parents died and she lost an arm so she cant even cast most spells until she gets a prosthetic 😭😭😭

[heavy oxide]

the subclass im using is mutation druid im trying to do a cryptid scholar of the old ways kinda vibe

my characters mother learned the magic from a spirit dragon deep in the forest the ruins it was born from happened to be slyvan the entire forest is like a dark fairytale like a pocket of the feywild but more evil

[old sluice]

Wait how was the arm lost?

[past axle]

her crazy ex boyfriend(who took over her kingdom and killed hundreds of thousands of people and also who we were fighting) killed her and cut it off 😔 our cleric is the only reason she isn’t still dead

[old sluice]

And... You know there is a spell that can give you back a normal arm made of flesh and bone. No expensive material components, that's a plus. But seventh level. Regardless, finding some hermit high cleric or something may be easier than finding a prosthetic.

Wait, somatic components can be performed with a single hand!

This should not affect your spellcasting.

[past axle]

not how we’re playing lol. we have a bunch of house rules and stuff in play, and i want her to get a cool robot arm

we’re only level 6 rn, and we opted to make things more difficult for me for flavour

[old sluice]

Ok yeah if it's an extremely homebrewed game, I have no idea what to do. But still, love the trauma of killing a PC's parents and tricking them into eating the corpse

That is just brilliant.

[past axle]

her dad died after we ate him which is worse!! his legs were cut off and cooked while he was still alive, and he got killed after combat

[old sluice]

This is some Eric Cartman-level of horror and I am here for it

[old sluice]

Don't take this the wrong way, but I will need to send some fan letters to your DM and hang a poster of them in my room.

This is so beautiful I could cry

[past axle]

i have some wonderful(really bad) pictures of him you can choose from lmaoooo

the crazy ex bf that we fought also turned out to be a very advanced AI robot made by the BBEG of the entire campaign from the very beginning, so even their whole relationship in her backstory was all built on a lie. and we only found that out right when we killed the AI consciousness but not the body, which was then controlled by said BBEG to give us a bit of a lore drop before we killed the body

[old sluice]

Ok bit too far-fetched for my personal tastes

[past axle]

our DM is a damn genius and we love him. i also have a personal vendetta for making so much of the first act of our campaign centred around traumatizing my character

[past axle]

its this whole thing that fits very well thematically in our campaign but it’s definitely not for everyone. it’s very typical fantasy mixed with industrial arcanotech

[remote wadi]

Maybe I could play with him sometime

[old sluice]

Still... I admit I don't quite understand people who have their characters refuse their arms or legs regenerated and prefer prosthetics.

Prosthetics are well and good but the idea that someone who lost a limb might prefer the prosthetic over an organic limb is a bit baffling

[hot gate]

Regeneration might not be available. It's a 7th level spell after all, and prosthetics are a common magic item in comparison.

[old sluice]

Availability is one thing, of course. But I'm not talking availability, I'm talking desire

[hot gate]

Well, I suppose if all of those things are available, it might actually just become an aesthetic choice.

I also like the idea of being able to upgrade prosthetics, like a grappling hook in the arm.

[heavy oxide]

taking liking crazy to a whole different level good lord

[past axle]

aesthetics, matches the vibe of the campaign, and also we have an artificer NPC on our ship who we can pay for upgrades to magic items so i can get cool things added to it

[old sluice]

Yep. That's a very homebrewed game.

[past axle]

part of it too is more flavour based on the arc my character is following. she’s just starting to form an identity beyond her dedication to her kingdom, and become more than what she grew up believing she was meant to be. so for her, it signifies leaving that part of her behind, and finding the self she wants to become

[tame kelp]

What dnd 2014 background is equalent to Miko? (the person who stay in sacared japanese temple or place)

[hollow stone]

tbf most upgrades that can be done to a prosthetic can also be platformed into armor, like a grappling hook gauntlet

[hollow stone]

acolyte(?)

[upper lintel]

Imagine a open world dnd video game called sword coast and its all and I mean all of sword coast all the way to neverwinter and beyond and back How big of a game that can be .

[knotty pasture]

Definitely an acolyte

[old sluice]

But like... Why? You could just tie your grappling hook to your belt for the same result. It actually is probably better

[hot gate]

That's less cool (imo anyway)

[hollow stone]

so you can keep your hand but still have the device as at the ready as if it were your arm

[old sluice]

A grappling hook that's part of your armour or arm is not a grappling hook other people can use to climb after you. If you need rope to tie someone or something, it's less convenient

[old sluice]

So the same as using your grappling hook normally?

It just seems like having a normal grappling hook but just straight up worse

[hot gate]

Size wise that'd be something like the size of half of the US west coast. Pretty big.

[old sluice]

It may be an upgrade for the arm, I guess, but it's just a downgrade to the grappling hook in every way

[hollow stone]

no this is about a grappling hook integrated into the arm and the cost effectivity of attaching the grappling hook to a gauntlet vs a prosthetic arm, this isn't about normal grappling hook vs arm grappling hook

[mint aurora]

Hi everyone, I am new. What we talking about?

[old sluice]

And then again, your arm gains nothing.

You misunderstand: I mean that attaching a grappling hook, either to your prosthetic or your gauntlet, is not worth doing because it's worse than using a grappling hook normally and it has no benefits.

I played Sekiro, sure, but it's worth noting that D&D grappling hooks can't do that

[hollow stone]

the points you make do make me realize that an arm grappling hook is worse than a normal one, yea

you could reflavor Misty Step or Cloud's Jaunt into the pressurized grappling hook tho, which would be the batman thing

[old sluice]

Okay I see one benefit. It's a spare grappling hook in case your normal one is lost or destroyed or is being used for something else but then again, why not just have your spare grappling hook in your backpack?

[gritty tapir]

Hey so I’m new new like I’ve watched some videos on dnd but I have no experience with it in person and I was just curious on how to like get into a game you know? Sorry for interrupting your conversation btw

[old sluice]

Until the day your pressurized grappling hook gets counterspelled by someone. You can't reflavour a spell as a non-spell because spells deal with the spellcasting rules

[mint aurora]

Why does every decision need to be optimal? can it not just be a cool prosthetic for character reasons.

[hollow stone]

Cloud's Jaunt isn't a spell, it's a species button (cloud goliath), so it can't be counterspelled

[old sluice]

Did someone say anything about decisions having to be optimal?

[old sluice]

Yeah I was referring to misty step. Jaunt is fine

[mint aurora]

No but that seems to be the position being argued, why have a prosthetic or grappling hook integrated if its worse than just having a grappling hook ordinarily.

[abstract beacon]

What level does a party of 6 need to be for a cr 26 fight?

[mint aurora]

I mean this kind of point.

[old sluice]

Consider it from a roleplay perspective: Why would a character make the idiotic decision to attach a grappling hook to their prosthetic arm, a decision that requires resources, money, someone else spending a long time customizing their prosthetic arm, for something so useless?

Especially since the craftsman they would contract for it would explain to them why this decision is idiotic

[mint aurora]

Then again my first point I made stands, not every decision has to be optimal

[alpine crag]

Hello

[old sluice]

There is a difference between making non-optimal decisions and making a stupid decision that makes no sense

[hollow stone]

i mean, for such artifact to exist, the most plausible explanation is that they are the craftsman and nobody else had one of those, and thus, they did, because they wanted to see if they could make that

[mint aurora]

I disagree that having a prosthetic is stupid or having a item installed into it is also stupid.

[old sluice]

Good. Nobody said having a prosthetic is idiotic. Or having an item installed in it is idiotic. Nobody said that. The idiotic thing is installing a grappling hook in the prosthetic

[raw sonnet]

what class would sans be in DnD?

[old sluice]

None.

[hollow stone]

so, you seem to think about items in arms as weird, what about an integrated crossbow?

[alpine crag]

How can I play this game of dnd?

[raw sonnet]

not a valid answer

I would say a paladin or a wizard

[hot gate]

The Venn diagram overlap of Sans powers with any of the D&D classes' powers is so small that you might as well say none, I agree that much.

[old sluice]

A crossbow might actually be a better idea. It gives you a weapon that can't be disarmed, maybe a way to conceal it easily. That seems like a good way to customise a prosthetic. If possible.

[humble cairn]

Because in a heroic fantasy game a grappling hook arm could work because it's not a reality simulator and the engineering flaws of making this in real life don't matter?

[hot gate]

Head over to #dnd-newcomers and check out #learn-to-play !

[old sluice]

What? Nobody was talking about the engineering flaws. Or reality. We're still talking about the rules of the game. The game where a grappling hook is an actual item. With rules

[raw sonnet]

That would just make him an NPC. But I was thinking of playing as sans one day

[hollow stone]

yea the best way to get a batman-style grappling hook is to be a Cloud Goliath for Cloud's Jaunt and get a Climbing Speed to stick to walls

[humble cairn]

If the mechanics for the actual item aren't cool, we can look for something cooler.

[spice flint]

I would probably add something like a customizeable prosthetic from metal gear solid v but you'd probably get it from like an artificer npc not any random smith

[humble cairn]

This is pretty obviously going to be some sort of homebrew, but we don't have to be mean about someone wanting it.

[hot gate]

Unless you're happy with doing mostly flavor, I don't think that is reasonable to expect.

[old sluice]

Well... Yeah, of course. But using the grappling hook item as your enhancement is what doesn't work. Of course, feel free to invent some other form of enhancement that's more like a... Grappling gun I guess.

[abstract beacon]

Could a lvl 10 party of 6 take on a cr 26 creature?

[raw sonnet]

I don't care what's reasonable and what isn't. Reasonable people do not play DnD

[hot gate]

uh, no they do, but you do you I suppose

[old sluice]

Unlikely. But it's not necessarily doomed from the start.

[abstract beacon]

How much of a chance do they have?

[humble cairn]

I swear there was a masked vigilante in Waterdeep Dragon Heist that had a grappling hook mechanic.

[hollow stone]

is there a mechanic for loading the grappling hook (the claw) into a crossbow?

that is literally just a grappling gun

[abstract beacon]

Where can I send images for a stat block I wanna use for a differently named bbeg?

[raw sonnet]

having played DnD more then once automaticaally means that you are not a reasonable human

[abstract beacon]

I wanna know if it’s too much for a lvl 10 party, although I will turn it down a notch

[hot gate]

D&D is a very fun hobby, so I think it's very reasonable to do it repeatedly

[old sluice]

RAW not really. But you could homebrew that. Worth noting that the crossbow would then be the enhancement to the prosthetic and you would just be attaching a normal grappling hook and rope to it

[old sluice]

Hard to say. Depends on the monster and the tools of the PCs. And the environment. But it will always range from "very low" to "just impossible"

[raw sonnet]

It is fun, but it's a very specific kind of fun

[little tusk]

Hi guys! Me and 3 of my friends wanted to start playing DnD but none of us have any experience. I blindly agreed to be DM lol and when I searched up some videos on YouTube about being DM I realised how hard it is 😭 could someone explain to me basics of DnD please? For example why are there so many dices, where should be a world set, also if 3 players is enough. And I know that there are used some sort of cards? I'm not sure. And sorry for my english, it's not my first language 🥲

[hot gate]

It's good old collaborative brain tickling social narrative storytelling fun. In some ways it's most ancient kind of fun.

[abstract beacon]

What if they fight Sauron the blind that I will be renaming for the purpose of it not being a copy paste?

[raw sonnet]

it's still not for everyone

[hot gate]

Nobody said that

[humble cairn]

I can't find a masked vigilante statblock I thought was there in WDH, so it must have been homebrew by my DM. I think I would just make it easy: Bonus Action to target a surface within oh ... 30feet? ... and move there without provoking OA. You are attached to that point unless you let go and drop or use this Bonus Action again.

[old sluice]

I have literally no idea what a "Sauron the blind" is

[heavy oxide]

#dnd-newcomers might be able to help you

[raw sonnet]

I think you should try finding an expirienced DM instead

[little tusk]

Oh okay, sorry I'm gonna write that on that channel

[abstract beacon]

I searched Sauron dnd for some inspiration for a bbeg and came across it , literally 2nd image on google and he looks fun but he’s really powerful so I’m just thinking of lowering his power a good amount

[karmic mason]

Alright
I think that DnD is this week.

[old sluice]

Then use it and lower it. I don't know what else to say

Sir, this is a D&D server.

[mental stirrup]

oh sorry 😄

[noble tusk]

Level 3: Webbing
You can magically produce sticky, silken spider webs from your hands as a Bonus Action. This web dissolves after 1 minute. When you create the webs, you can use them to do one of the following.

Pull Yourself. You project a line of web at a point you can see within 30 feet, pulling yourself to that point in a straight line without provoking Opportunity Attacks. You can use this benefit as a Reaction when you fall to pull yourself up to 10 feet in any direction.

Manipulate Objects. You can use a line of web to manipulate an object that isn’t being worn or carried within 30 feet. For example, you can pull an object to your hand, close a door, or snatch a Small or smaller object weighing less than 10 pounds.

You could just take this from the Arachnoid Stalker subclass for rogue and reflavor it as well

[humble cairn]

Ahh, thank you that's not bad as well.

[hollow stone]

here's a theory of how to do that: 2/3rds of the firing platform's range or the rope's length, whichever is shorter

[tame kelp]

"the target falls if it still aloft"

What's "aloft" mean?

[minor cargo]

Usually means "up in the air". ✌️

[old sluice]

Good idea. Works well

Though...2/3rd seems a bit much for me

[blazing swift]

Is there a Boyd Cooper from Psychonauts DnD build

[hollow stone]

i was undecided between 2/3rds and half, half felt weak but is easier to calculate

there does exist a video of some man firing a string of lights tied to a heavy arrow firing from a heavy bow, which i'm basing this entire thought experiment off of

[tribal mesa]

Im making a warforged warlock hexblade/druid wildfire and would like ideas for what his patron wants.

His patron is basically his “programming” or “creator” who is an evil artificer. The warforged is made to be technically the antithesis of druids but still became a Druid after seeing a phoenix.

[still plover]

More #character-discussion if this is a PC, but something to start with: if this character is meant to oppose the goals of druids, what are the goals of druids?

[naive dirge]

to love animals

[knotty pasture]

I mean yes and no, Druids are basically nature Clerics

But they don't have to necessarily love nature as a result, many ways to reach their "balance"

[hollow stone]

i mean, antithesis is not the same as opposition, i think they mean the character is antithetical to druids such that while druids seek to preserve nature, their warlock sees nature as an obstacle that can be discarded without care, or even an opposition to be eradicated

[hollow stone]

also, the patron's motives could very easily be a "might makes right" form of industrialism, where they perceive nature as inherently inferior to industrialization and, consequently, has no right to exist. this is literally just environmental eugenics and is about as evil as a person can happen toward nature

[crimson gulch]

Ahh, launching my new campaign tonight, I now have a regularly shedualed game every night of the week

[still plover]

All true! I was just trying to kick-start them with some ideas.

[umbral girder]

I need a crab rave boss fight

[lavish flame]

They dance for the King Crab

[umbral girder]

Now I must decide on if they are controlled by a Druid or Bard

[humble cairn]

The crab techno reggaeton DJ, Sebash10, is the boss.

He's Tiny, but his music controls the dancing sea creatures. When directly confronted he scurries into crevice to emerge somewhere else and continue the rave.

[ancient marsh]

hey wassup

[umbral girder]

He got a hold of Otto’s irresistible dance but somehow it’s an AOE

Maybe it’s circle casted on the entire island

[humble cairn]

Mermaids and tritons in the audience occasionally shower the party with thrown tridents (Dex Save for piercing damage), but a successful Performance check to groove in time with the music gives you Advantage against those for the rest of the fight.

[umbral girder]

Maybe a Harpy screwed up somewhere and taught its singing powers to a crab and it just spread like a wild fire

“I thought it would be funny. What is happening?”

[humble cairn]

Nah, the crab is just a musical prodigy and royal musician for Atlantis.

[sleek cloud]

One step closer to the little mermaid

[old sluice]

Yes but the original version.

The witch is nice, the mermaid's sisters try to convince her to stab the prince in his sleep

Also, Aladin but the original version where the genie decides to stop obeying Aladin after calling him and his wife the most callous and selfish and stupid people he has ever met.

[burnt valley]

What's the maximum challenge rating can I throw at a Lvl 4 party?

[old sluice]

Depends on the number of enemies and how rested the party is

[sleek cloud]

Tarrasque

[old sluice]

And how big the party is. A party of three PCs is very different from a party of six.

[burnt valley]

6 and the party is all at Lvl 4(there's 8 of them)

[burnt valley]

So true

[old sluice]

In that case you can go a bit crazy.

[sullen ingot]

I mean... when you're right, you're right

[old sluice]

Wait, there are EIGHT PCs in the party?!

[burnt valley]

4 rust monsters and 2 conjurer wizards (that's about to ready action cast Web)

[ivory shale]

hot take: rpg podcasts > actual plays

[burnt valley]

would this be fair

[burnt valley]

yea in a hypothetical situation

[old sluice]

Yeah. It's tough but doable.

And rust monsters and conjurers don't have great synergy so it's a plus

[burnt valley]

my idea is that they should solve this via pass without trace and avoid having the entire party be stuck in web

[old sluice]

How does PWT help?

[pliant sapphire]

Rust monsters can pinpoint the location of ferrous metal within 30 feet of itself. So care with the stealth and PCs with medium/ heavy metal armor

[burnt valley]

I was thinking of having an alternate route to ambush the 6 enemies with a decently large Stealth check DC

Maybe the walls were thin idk, i just came up with this on the fly

[stark arch]

hmm replacing paladin cure wounds with life Transference as oathbreaker class would be more fiting or not?

[sleek cloud]

Would an oathbreaker value other peoples lives enough that they’re willing to sacrifice their own life force to help them recover

My guess is no

[stark arch]

seems more dark and sinister

[reef tundra]

Depends on the oath breaker

Some characters who are oath breakers would, but I know others who wouldn’t

[crimson gulch]

Sounds like Darth Vader redemption arc. Could work for sure

[stark arch]

btw would it be selfish of me to ask for my party members to pay for cure wounds scrolls ?

30 gp per scroll ?

takes me 8 hours to craft it... and a parcament and some ink..

stil cheaper than a HP pot

[fossil shuttle]

Hey there, I was last on a week or so ago, talking about how my party ended up with a pet Otyugh. I have an update. We have solved the problem of feeding him.

[old sluice]

Depends on the oathbreaker, depends on the other people they'd do this for

Even the most evil character may sacrifice their own life to save a beloved friend, spouse or offspring.

It's not really a redemption arc. They don't do this because of empathy or because they see inherent value in the lives of others. For example, I never saw Darth Vader as redeemed. He killed Palpatine because he hated Palpatine, he saved Luke because Luke was his son. That last act just cemented that he was rotten to the core and only saw value in people insofar as they relate to himself. Not a coincidence that he attacked Palpatine in the back, a coward's blow

[woven flint]

Are you feeding him people?

ALWAYS...
Feed your Eldritch Pets people

[fossil shuttle]

Well, we did find out that if we kill a monster that we can't or won't eat, we can use Gug to get rid of the body, but no. I can just use prestidigitation to spoil food for him. Also, turns out towns and whatnot we visit are pretty willing to throw their garbage outside the town walls for him to eat. We kinda become the town trash pickup when we're there.

[woven flint]

Boo...

[fossil shuttle]

It might have something to do with the fact he's not living in waste anymore, but he also isn't smelling as bad as he did before

[old sluice]

Pro-tip: Rather than divide the loot evenly, keep a percentage for collective expenses. If there is five of you, for example, that's 15% each and then the 25% left are in the treasury. And finance collective expenses from that.

[knotty pasture]

Definitely yes, oathbreakers don't have to be traditionally evil at all even

[bitter spindle]

Ok so 2024 monk’s redirect attack has the opponent make a dex save, if I spend a focus point in order to see if the attack I throw back will miss? Why am I redirecting a sword when I could’ve just dodged and punched as a reaction, and instead use a hit die? Furthermore, why does this whole dex save exist for if I’m redirecting a ranged attack in the first place? Seems like WOTC whiffed pretty stupidly with this ability

[knotty pasture]

You can be an oathbreaker by being a decent person in theory if the situation calls for it

[old sluice]

Actually they kinda do. An oathbreaker paladin is a paladin that broke their oath in pursuit of evil ambitions

[stuck shuttle]

Having an evil alignment is also a requirement for taking the subclass

[knotty pasture]

See that's the RAW version, as bg3 showed us its possible to believe in any oath, go against it because of personal morals for example, and turn into an oathbreaker that way

[old sluice]

Yes but that's BG3. BG3 has its own take on the oathbreaker that very much goes against D&D rules and lore

[stuck shuttle]

That’s one of the changes BG3 made that I didn’t like but I understood was just the best way to include it in gameplay

[knotty pasture]

I guess its like, does a Cleric worshipping an evil god have to be evil themselves

[old sluice]

They don't have to be, no. But that is not the same thing

[knotty pasture]

An oath is basically a fancy promise the Paladin swears to right? And Paladins don't have to be good people

[stuck shuttle]

Your actions influence your alignment. Is worshipping an evil god an evil action? Probably. But you could also be funding charities and helping the local townsfolk at the same times which is good

[knotty pasture]

So if a not-good Paladin does a good thing in that moment and breaks their oath

[atomic kayak]

Itd almost be more accurate to say that bg3 oathbreaker is a representation of the extremely common misconceptions of oathbreaker

[stuck shuttle]

Not all tenet violations lead to becoming an Oathbreaker

[atomic kayak]

Almost all tenets violations don't lead to becoming an oathbreaker

[knotty pasture]

You could have your powers taken from you too, but the Oathbreaker option's also right there outside of consulting a church to help out

[stuck shuttle]

The Oathbreaker option has the explicit requirement of needing to be evil, so it’s normally not an option unless a specific path has been chosen

[old sluice]

Actually there are no rules stating that paladins who go against their tenets lose their power

[uncut zenith]

Oathbreaker technically exists as a “villain option” for a paladin who broke their oath with the explicit purpose of pursuing evil.

One doesn’t just become an oathbreaker because they slipped up and broke a tenet

[stuck shuttle]

The DMG has some extra interesting guidelines for Oathbreakers specifically. IIRC an Oathbreaker has to undergo a great quest to redeem themselves, and if they go break their own to pursue evil ambitions again they can’t redeem themselves again

[naive dirge]

has anyone run a malazan campaign?

[uncut zenith]

No, the old DMG had some guidance saying the DM may require a Paladin to atone if they break their oath, but there’s nothing that explicitly says a Paladin who breaks their oath loses their powers.

[knotty pasture]

Wait hold up

[stark arch]

my oathbreaker is lvl 3 and 1251 years old 😛

[knotty pasture]

"If a paladin willfully violates his or her oath and shows no sign of repentance, the consequences can be more serious. At the DM's discretion, an impenitent paladin might be forced to abandon this class and adopt another, or perhaps to take the Oathbreaker paladin option that appears in the DMG."

Its the DM's call of course but there's also no real requirement should the DM wants to go down that route

[old sluice]

Then check the description of the oathbreaker. It explicitly says that it's a paladin who broke their oath in the pursuit of evil.

[uncut zenith]

That being said, Oathbreaker was explicitly written as a “villainous subclass” back when WOTC thought giving NPCs class levels was a good idea, while also saying the DM may allow a PC to play it if they choose to.

[knotty pasture]

But that could just be reflavored couldn't it, dark ambition could be many things

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, being evil is a requirement

[stuck shuttle]

Yeah that’s what I meant by guidelines, it’s not hard coded into the system, it’s all suggestions

[old sluice]

Taken together, those two parts can be translated as "Hey DM, if a paladin player has violated their oath, you have the option of forcing them to take another class, but you can consider making them switch to oathbreaker if they went full evil"

[knotty pasture]

If the evil part was truly necessary, I don't think this line would have been mentioned at all (or at least have a disclaimer that you have to be evil to think about taking Oathbreaker)

[stark arch]

my dm allows me to use oathbreaker with neutral alignment

[alpine crag]

Is sets a requirement for running a campaign?

[old sluice]

Your DM may do as they please on their table. But the actual rule and lore is that an oathbreaker is someone who broke their oath in the pursuit of evil

[uncut zenith]

That segment they shared is in the Paladin class description. The Oathbreaker subclass, however, does say that being evil is a requirement.

[reef tundra]

I hope it returns for the 2024 rules

[uncut zenith]

The do’s and don’t’s are essentially split between the class description and the subclass description

[knotty pasture]

God I hope not, the bg3 version of Oathbreaker was so good too, I'll concede for today

[uncut zenith]

I don’t, but I know it’s in UA so I’m sure it’ll come back

[reef tundra]

Hmm, I’m curious, why don’t you two wish for its return?

[uncut zenith]

From a narrative perspective, Oathbreaker seems antithetical to what makes a Paladin a Paladin.

[reef tundra]

Isn’t that the point?

[old sluice]

I honestly think that oathbreaker is rather superfluous.

[knotty pasture]

Tbf you also keep a fair amount of Paladin spells too as a result

[stuck shuttle]

The starter sets aren’t required to play a campaign, they’re just an easy start package that comes with everything needed to play + sheets + and adventure to run.

At base all you need is the Basic Rules, some friends to play with, some character sheets, and a free adventure (if you wanted to run one). All of these can be found online. I’d start with #learn-to-play and #dnd-newcomers to get started

[old sluice]

I can make an evil devotion paladin, I can make an evil vengeance paladin, I can even make an evil redemption paladin

[knotty pasture]

Lay On Hands and Divine Smite are readily available for the Oathbreaker

[uncut zenith]

If that were the point, why would it be a Paladin subclass? That’s like designing a wizard subclass for a wizard who doesn’t want to learn new spells.

[stuck shuttle]

Didn’t Oathbreaker come out of the Antipaladin from previous editions?

[reef tundra]

I’m not saying it’s wrong to not want it back, and I think all opinions here are valid. I just like a subclass that sort of twists the usual class dynamic

[old sluice]

Evil paladins are more interesting if they still drape themselves in the language and aesthetics of goodness.

[knotty pasture]

A seperate knight class would be cool to keep Oathbreaker and possibly some other subclasses in

[uncut zenith]

I think if we really wanted to have an evil paladin, I’d rather see an updated Conquest over Oathbreaker

Because at least a Conquest Paladin is still swearing oaths and sticking to them

[stuck shuttle]

I just hope a new OB keeps the evil alignment requirement

[cerulean wedge]

hello im new 👋

[old sluice]

If I want an evil warrior dressed in black armour commanding legions of the undead, the death knight statblock is right there

And if I want to play an evil paladin, I make my devotion paladin a bad, bad person without even breaking the oath

[knotty basin]

Sure but what if you want a paladin who broke their oath

[uncut zenith]

Then they shouldn’t be a Paladin imo

[knotty basin]

Lots of good storytelling you can do with that

[old sluice]

Then I play a fighter.

[reef tundra]

I can agree that I wanna see conquest first if it came down to between the two. But I would love to get both

[knotty basin]

Why not just play oathbreaker?

[reef tundra]

I also quite like the implications of an oath being so powerful that even after you abandon it, it just corrupts and sticks to you

[reef tundra]

I think they are valid too though

[knotty pasture]

Why not have Oathbreaker be a Fighter subclass /s

[knotty basin]

Where does the magic from the oath come from anyways

[old sluice]

That right there might be the best idea

[knotty pasture]

Your conviction is so powerful that its akin to praying for a higher power

[reef tundra]

Now that’s a good idea actually

[old sluice]

Unironically.

[woven flint]

There's a difference between breaking ones oath out of malice and breaking an oath out of necessity

[knotty pasture]

See I can cook sometimes too

[old sluice]

That is actually legitimately a great idea.

[knotty basin]

It’s not like oathbreakers have to be evil

[minor cargo]

For what it's worth, back in 3.5E days, their UA did release the CG, LE, and CE paladins (it made the assumption that all paladins were LG). Without getting into an alignment discussion 🤞🏾 , I think the way they did this is pretty cool. They all feel like paladins to me.

https://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm#paladinVariantsFreedomSlaughterAndTyranny

[uncut zenith]

Except Oathbreakers are an example of the former, not the latter

[woven flint]

Well...

[uncut zenith]

Yes they do. As written, at least.

[reef tundra]

Here we go again /lhj

[woven flint]

It's a VERY evil feeling subclass

[old sluice]

For the last time: Yes they do. Or at the very least they need to have broken their oaths in the pursuit of evil.

[knotty pasture]

Alright time to go back to #homebrew and think about moving Oathbreaker over I suppose

[old sluice]

That is the lore and the rule. Do what you want on your table but that's what the class is about

[woven flint]

Oathbreakers even have tenants now..
For some reason?
And one of them is literally pursue power at any cost.

[reef tundra]

I’ll go with /hj

[proper forum]

I am dungeonmaxxing. I am playing on two campaigns at the same time. CAN'T STOP WON'T STOP!

[uncut zenith]

The name “Oathbreaker” is a little misleading because it leads to the common misconception that a Paladin can just break their oaths and become one, when the rules explicitly state they break their rules with the purpose of pursuing evil.

[reef tundra]

Wait what?! 😭

[woven flint]

I'm in like..
6 campaigns, maybe?