dnd-discussion

[lyric idol]

Lmao thats awesome

[empty thicket]

"Im going to cast haste on the enemy"
"Go on artificer, punch me in the face now"
Enemy got his turn lost.

[remote wadi]

@lyric idol @prisma mason

Something else worth noting about my team composition... we have a Fighter that has the Crusher feat. So in the rare, but still possible chance that he gets a critical hit on a big enemy... I then make every attack roll until his next turn with advantage

[buoyant oar]

Why he fell for it I will never understand

[lyric idol]

I personally don't like relying on crits myself but shoot go for it.

Sounds like if anyone crits its gonna be absolute hell for the enemy

[rough basalt]

I was saying it ain't realistic to expect WotC to change DnD into Path of Exile where you just build a class from a giant endless skill Yggdrasil

[empty thicket]

The dopamine rush after seeing how you landed 4 critics in one turn might be illegal.

After that you need a recovery, a cleaning.

Crack would be healthier

[lyric idol]

If this were rick n morty they'd capture that feeling and make it into chocolate wafers or something.

[oak shoal]

Well I have an idea

[empty thicket]

They did it already, in an episode of the rick city and another with the pasta.

[lyric idol]

Ik thats where I got the idea.

[clear lark]

Yep. You increase your chances of a critical, especially at 19, with advantage rolls.

[craggy cairn]

The fact that they literally did this in the show completes this

[empty thicket]

but again, is a chance. That is a problem in most scenarios

[clear lark]

True, but the chances increase dramatically

[lyric idol]

I wouldn't say...Dramatically

[remote wadi]

I'm not going to rely on crits, per se... I do solid damage without it, but in the offchance our Fighter crits a bulky enemy with bludgeoning damage, I could have (at level 11) 6 attacks + advantage + double crit chance + Lucky for optional rerolls + Hunter's Mark + Sharpshooter + Piercer for more crit dice

Combine all that with a Hunting Rifle + Gunner to remove the Loading penalty...

And let's just say you will need to pull up an app for this. Because there won't be enough d10s to do it manually

[empty thicket]

the problem i have is, idk if normally you can stack some chances. If you mange to drop the critic dice to 15, then would make you into a lethal death machine

[lyric idol]

Idk I think its fun to use my bonus action to tell my fighter to bonk away.

Lets be real. If you attack 3 times before getting champion, the chance to crit is 3/60 chance. When you hit champion, it becomes 1/10 which is significantly better.

[rough basalt]

Nah lowest you can get is 18

[clear lark]

Yeah. I mean they could have found a reason to lower it to 17, but they had to draw the line somewhere.

[rough basalt]

As a level 18 champion iirc

In 3.5e martials could crit on like 10s and above at high levels

[clear lark]

15th level is 18 crit

[lyric idol]

which is 3/20 chance. or 15% chance to crit with every attack.

Which is better then a 5% chance.

[clear lark]

Yup

[lyric idol]

Do I ever feel like my luck is ever on my side enough to choose a class that relies on luck like that even if it improves my odds? No. But if ya feel comfortable then shoot.

[remote wadi]

Think of it like this. Your odds of getting a crit on an advantage is roughly 10% (39/400)
With Improved Critical lowering it to 19 or 20, the odds shift to 81/100, or 19%

[lyric idol]

39/400?

[oak shoal]

Don't champions crit on 18 at lvl 18 in 2014?

[lyric idol]

I feel like a math teacher. Your answer is correct but the method to get there has me baffled.

[lyric idol]

He's multiclassing 6 levels fighter so he doesn't get there.

[glass granite]

Yup

1-(19/20)^2

[oak shoal]

Don't forget to add elven accuracy

If your an elf of course

[tawdry sentinel]

Can play elf and roll the 3 dice with elven accuracy

[glass granite]

Then 1-(19/20)^3

[stuck shuttle]

Chance of not rolling a 20 within 2 rolls is (19/20)^2, or 361/400, so (400/400) - (361/400) = 39/400

[remote wadi]

A 1/20 chance to crit
The chance that neither dice is a 20 is 19²/20², or 361/400
400 - 361 is 39, thus your chance to crit with a 5% chance is 39/400

[glass granite]

1141/8000

[remote wadi]

I'm a human

[glass granite]

Hi a human, I’m Nugget

[lyric idol]

Yeah my mind ain't mathing today. I see numbers but they don't mean anything to me.

[empty thicket]

yep, at the end of the day is numbers. Still champion have access to more fighting styles and the lvl 20 (even if you dont reach it is important to remark it) make you an giga hard entity to kill. More if we add ally healing or items

[oak shoal]

Healing cleric plus levels into bard and chef feet

[remote wadi]

It's cool. I'm not a math teacher, I just love actual math like probability

I need to know this stuff to comprehend just how terribly Lady Luck screws me over

[cerulean monolith]

Huh, I’ve never thought to format advantage probability like that. I’ve always done (19/20)^2

[lyric idol]

Exactly how I did it lmao

[empty thicket]

yep, this spell that make you heal in area around you and some counterspell or protection against instant death and your fighter is a monster.

[remote wadi]

Remember I get 2 extra attacks at level 11 as well

That's a 27% chance to crit. And by that point, a Sharpshooter Piercer crit with a hunting rifle in THIS campaign will deal a bare minimum of 42 + modifer piercing damage

[remote wadi]

That's just how my brain works. Doing calculations like that are faster when broken down into easier steps. Like 25 × 11 can easily be done by doing 250 + 25

[glass granite]

I calculate same way as you, I just format in text as (19/20)^2 cuz it’s faster

(For me, cuz that’s what I do when I write too)

[clear lark]

** eating popcorn watching how people use statistics**🍿

[empty thicket]

i kinda get it, i made a Ranger sharpshooter in a campaign i am. Each shoot was lethal

[cerulean monolith]

Oh no yeah, totally agree with you on that. I try to avoid doing manual large number multiplication in general so I just never applied it to that area 🙂

[empty thicket]

Except a boss that my party abandoned me against it

But against that last enemy i dealt all the damage against it, ended up down and "rescued". I will hold that against them for some time

[remote wadi]

Wait a minute... question

Just so I understand this, if you have the Lucky feat

You can roll the additional d20, then choose whether you will actually use the new dice and luck point

"Before the outcome is determined"

Right?

[nova trellis]

I ain't a numbers person but I will say that I will always prefer utility and CC abilities over a chance of more damage any day of the week.

[remote wadi]

@glass granite Did I get this right?

[empty thicket]

yes, what about it?

[remote wadi]

. . .

[empty thicket]

oh, i used one only time the sharpshooter feat feature and missed the shoot, first shot missed

[empty thicket]

we use 2014 but yeah, can use it for more damage, still i reserve the lucky for important hits and dodges

[lyric idol]

Call it sharp missing

[remote wadi]

That means that if I burned action surge and was willing to spend a Lucky Dice to get AT LEAST ONE crit, I have a 72% crit chance

[empty thicket]

i wasnt that sharp in that moment, still have resentment to the party. But the arti in that party is part of my mission

[empty thicket]

Bro is thirsty for the critic, what is that important that you need to critic and kill it down?

God!?

Still dont waste that much resources unless is a giga needed critic.

[clear lark]

Fun fact: Lucky points was originally from AD&D Conan's Unchained from the 1980's as a character ability in his setting

[remote wadi]

1. Homebrew rule in the campaign is Max damage on crit. Could you imagine the type of damage I could churn out with Sharpshooter, Hunting Rifle, and Piercer alone??
2. I am a certified critical hit addict. If you went into my DMs and asked me about my favorite build in Fallout: New Vegas, you would understand (TLDR: brain gives me happy chemicals from doing enough damage to kill someone 230+ times over)
3. It would make for some awesome dialogue when you know you're about to lay waste to someone/some people

"Good news for you... I have a bullet with your name on it. Bad news for you... I forgot which one it was, so I'm going to keep firing at you until we find out which one it is. Shall we?"

[stuck shuttle]

If you want to max the crit, why not do a Sorcadin? Hold person means paralysis which means autocrit, plus you have more spell slots for smite

[lyric idol]

At this point you should've been a artificer/fighter multiclass or something. Artillerist with that quote right there.

[stuck shuttle]

Alternatively just get a teammate to cast hold person

[empty thicket]

I just imagined a meme scene from the beauty and the beast were this beauty guy spam shooting a person with a musket

[lyric idol]

If it was 2014, Sorcerer with twin spell would have this guys mind blown.

[empty thicket]

8 shoots fighter with a musket would be funny

[lyric idol]

I mean gunslinger fighter is right there.

[remote wadi]

No, that quote would be for a one man firing squad (which would be pretty dang awesome as an alias). If you wanted a quote for that, that would be the quote I'm pulling up right now

[empty thicket]

With a musket, a one shot weapon, think that one turn is 6 seconds so the person loaded 3 shoots and shooted 3 times in 6 sec and then action surge and same thing but 4 reloads and 4 shoots

[lyric idol]

Yeah I'd buy a revolver.

[remote wadi]

"But again... I don't care about what it's DESIGNED to do, I care about about what it CAN do. I can gamble away all my personal safety at close quarters so I can triple up on items specifically to put stadium sized craters into the earth."
-Russian Badger

[lyric idol]

Safety is an option. An option I dont succumb too. I intend to keep for sticks of dynamite on my character so when I magic surge and roll reincarnate I absolutely will use myself as the bomb and bomb rush the enemy.

[remote wadi]

Not really. I plan to get a firearm at about level 6-8. By then, I will already have Gunner, which means no Loading trait/penalty

[lyric idol]

Buy a revolver. No need for feat.

[remote wadi]

Counterpoint: d8 < d10
Counterpoint 2: I get to headcanon it is a lever action

[lyric idol]

Counterpoint: Buy a lever action.

[fossil hollow]

1 point diff

[empty thicket]

or get bald

[remote wadi]

Lever actions aren't available, from what it seems like
Besides, even if they don't exist there, it would be fun to pretend like it is one. I mean, come on... 3/6 inhumanly accurate bullets in 6 seconds?

[remote wadi]

Wdym by this?

[fossil hollow]

the average point difference between d8 and d10 is one

4.5 vs 5.5 respectively

[empty thicket]

my ally fighter (another player) got a gun and i fear he commit arson with it.

i went to the bathroom in a moment of the session while they were talking with a shopkeeper and when i came back we were all inside of some cells. It seems they got a heat up argument and they tried to punch him.
Luckily the people got at night hypnotized by some harpy's singing that was our objective in the mission, those harpys. We escaped and went behind them

I cant even go to pee without them putting our butts in jail 🥀

[remote wadi]

Perhaps so, yeah. But there are 2 things you have to remember for here

1. Dice from critical hits are guaranteed to be max damage for this campaign
   So while the damage normally isn't too big of a difference, d10s means that my critical damage without modifiers go from 24 to 30
2. The way my character is built means that I still do high piercing damage, even if the attack doesn't crit

[remote wadi]

Uhhh... how can you commit arson with a firearm?

[empty thicket]

idk, he didnt had it until we managed to take care of the harpys

[bright jay]

I’m planning on running a Christmas themed 2 shot or something, and need villain ideas, current top contenders are Mariah Carey(but evil), something Halloween themed and uhh that’s bout it, pls help

(Not krampus)

[meager fractal]

Odin who is tryna steal Santa's mantle

[remote wadi]

@fossil hollow All this to say that if I could make the choice between the 2, hunting rifle is more appealing. Even though I am a sucker for high damage crits, I still very much enjoy roleplay factors. It makes a hunting rifle more appealing while having good uses (besides, having a revolver means everyone will think you're just a cowboy)

[potent siren]

Mariah Carey(but evil)
Thats hilarious

[empty thicket]

yeah buddy.... copy and paste this in #looking-for-dm

do it before someone delete it

[remote wadi]

I'm saying that arson is the criminal act of deliberately setting fire to property

[meager fractal]

yeah you are 4 people should be easy peasey to find a DM in the LFG channels

[empty thicket]

the shopkeeper were selling bombs and that stuff, i wanted to buy the recipe for his bombs so i can make some in the base. They were almost making us into being criminals, Its wild im hte sanest of that party...

[remote wadi]

Yeah, I think Mariah Carey finally passed the strength check to be unfrozen (she gets frozen again after Christmas)

Anyways, that's more or less my plans for my character

[boreal furnace]

I tried copying it into there, don’t know if I did it right 😅😅😅

[remote wadi]

I get to do so much piercing damage in a quick burst while also having good options to help in other places

[upper burrow]

picture this: four rogue tortles

[remote wadi]

Oh. And did I mention that I managed to get my hands on a silvered shortsword in case of piercing resistance/immunity?

[glass granite]

Hehehe, sharp metal stick

[empty thicket]

check in #dnd-newcomers if you need help in that

[remote wadi]

Ooh, I wonder if I can take the silver from it and find a way to convert it into ammunition...

[glass granite]

Newcomer frequented here, put that information into the set layout that the form gives you

[remote wadi]

Or at least, find a way to have a wizard enchant ammunition to help it overcome resistances and immunities

[glass granite]

You’ll have to ask your DM

[empty thicket]

its nice to have many tools. I plan to add for second fighting style throwing weapons so i have:
Sword//shield
Heavy crossbow with repeating shoot
Daggers that i plan to coat in poison and throw
Molotovs for AOE damage and fire in case that physical dont work

i didnt made any molotov yet or fire bomb, but i plan to after we finish this last mission that we are in.

[remote wadi]

I suppose we'll get there when we get there

[glass granite]

Indeed

[remote wadi]

But yeah. TLDR: my brain will give me happy chemicals from the beeg numbers I make

[meager fractal]

Zhentarim Tactics + Riposte + Sentinel is Awesome.
You hit me? I hit you. You miss me? I hit you. You go after my friends? I hit you.

[empty thicket]

i like big numbers too, for now playing fighter and ranger let me do it. Someday i might do magic big numbers

[spice solstice]

Hey yall, I am looking to see if anyone has recommendations for a weapon for my new character? She is a blind fairy, using the blind fighting style and she is a Drakewarden Ranger.

[glass granite]

2014 or 2024 rules?
Also having a blind character is rough

[empty thicket]

Give her a funny oversized revolver and each time she shoot she got 5ft back

[spice solstice]

2014. Drake will kind of be my eyes, so to speak

[spice solstice]

Love this

[glass granite]

A super long bee stinger (rapier)

[turbid vessel]

a whip would be funny cause then you could flavor the crack of the whip as helping you echolocate

[remote wadi]

Hey, this is actually a solid idea

[spice solstice]

Ooh, that’s interesting. I like that a lot.

[remote wadi]

Your stealth would be nonexistent, but hey. One problem at a time

[stuck shuttle]

Do you have a plan around needing to see for the purposes of some ranger spells?

[empty thicket]

I guessed he could like, saw the things in other way around him for being blind. Like some magic sight or essence sight

[spice solstice]

The telepathic nature of the drake. I’ll usually be riding or being carried by it, so I have “line of sight”

[stuck shuttle]

I mean like mechanically, certain spell require you to see the target

Or target area

[turbid vessel]

i think the GM is being loose with it in this case, if i had to guess

[empty thicket]

First session: A god gave you all a gift for gaining your trust, every one of you all are restored by a problem or disease (now isnt blind anymore)

[stuck shuttle]

If they are then that’s fine, if not you’d need some way to see, such as via Find Familiar

[turbid vessel]

i dunno if "curing" the blindness is exactly gonna support the character fantasy?

not to speek for lordraccoon but it sounds like they want blindess to be part of the characters identity

[empty thicket]

true, but depend of how they manage the "blindness" in general.

if they make some Toph from avatar i would love it

[turbid vessel]

i just know that if i specifically made a paralyzed character in a wheelchair and the GM tried to "cure" it episode 1 i'd be so mad

[spice solstice]

The character is blind, thats a very big part of their character. They got blinded by the drakes acid, and the drake is repaying a debt.

[empty thicket]

would even add it like a balance "your character is blind but can sense the vibrations around him and use it for know the intention of the enemies" +3 initiative

[fossil hollow]

we got two raccoons now?

[spice solstice]

She was my main inspiration for the character

[turbid vessel]

turns out there may be more than just a few raccoons in the world, yeah

[empty thicket]

A paralyzed character that use a living armor for moving would be peak honestly. That is a way to make it work instead of... wheelchair but i get your point in that other thing

[spice solstice]

Basically all armorer artificers.

[fossil hollow]

the galactic baseballer has more rivals... hows the trash bin economy?

[stuck shuttle]

Is your DM willing to homebrew the Drake to allow you to perceive through its senses to get around the sight requirement for your spells that need it?

Just on a mechanical level, not necessarily a narrative one

[spice solstice]

I gain a telepathic connection to the drake.

[stuck shuttle]

That’s not the same as sharing sight

[empty thicket]

Yep or an special item that the character have but cant be unequipped and replaced unless it attune and spend X resources//time on it.
Any Dispel magic would paralyze you and any detect magic would have advantage against you

[stuck shuttle]

Nor is it the same as being able to see a creature/target location for the purposes of spells

[spice solstice]

The drake will transmit “pictures” of the battlefield to me, essentially what they are seeing at that particular moment

[stuck shuttle]

For example, Hunter’s Mark specifies it applies to “a creature you can see”

[turbid vessel]

flooded, there's too much trash in the world

[stuck shuttle]

So then it seems your DM willing be homebrewing a bit which is fine, it takes a lot of the inconvenience of blindness out for spellcasters

I’m surprised the base Drakewarden didn’t get a full sense-share like Find Familiar does

[spice solstice]

Blind fighting style also allows me to see. “You have blind sight with a range of 10 ft. Within that range, you can effectively see anything that isn’t behind total cover even if you are blinded or in darkness.”

[fossil hollow]

within 10 ft

[tidal bough]

I mean theoretically you could have it just info dump the scene of the battle to you through telepathy and you have to create an image in your mind from it

[stuck shuttle]

I mean more so outside of it, unless you plan to solely cast spells within 10 ft of you

[fossil hollow]

not the same as seeing for the purposes of targeting

is looking at a static picture going to help you hit the enemy 30 ft away

[spice solstice]

I mean, do I really need to cast spells outside of 10ft? If I can only perceive the world as 10ft around me in any direction, all I would know is that, blind to everything else

[fossil hollow]

range exists

you also dont fireball within 10 ft of yourself... thats kamikaze

[turbid vessel]

tbf do rangers get fireball

[fossil hollow]

fair nough

[umbral girder]

I just noticed Brutal Strike push (barbarian feature) doesn’t have a size limit unlike the Push mastery and Push Maneuver (Battlemaster)

[fossil hollow]

also, being blind means attacks against you have advantage i you cant see them...

[stuck shuttle]

There’s quite a few stellar AoE spells for Ranger that you’d hit yourself with

[umbral girder]

Do they? From what?

Oh wait I just reread the message

[turbid vessel]

no i was asking
cause i'm pretty certain they don't

[spice solstice]

Blind sense

[fossil hollow]

spike growth entangle, yadda yadda

[fossil hollow]

limited to 10 ft. again. people can exist and attack you from farther

[stuck shuttle]

Attacks from further than 10 ft away

[umbral girder]

Also yeah Ranger actually gets more AOEs from their base class compared to the other two Half casters (base class)

[spice solstice]

Fairy. I can fly. 10ft above the field, cast an aoe

[fossil hollow]

still missing the point

[spring light]

not d&d... but ttrpg.
I've got my maid character's carry capacity up to about 5 and a half tons, at a light load.

[umbral girder]

K

Might be better for #non-dnd-topics

[spice solstice]

Thats fair. I would not expect an arrow to hit me in the spleen. Ranged attacks would have advantage

[spring light]

oh yeah we have that channel

ty neal

[turbid vessel]

i think we've already established that the GM is playing a loose game with how this blindness works, from what i can tell

[tidal bough]

Ofc not

[spice solstice]

All I know at the moment is that I am allowed to “see” through the drake. Still will be very blind.

[turbid vessel]

definetly worth a convo with your GM, then. there's a lot of implications that can come up when playing with blindness

would be good to know ahead of time how y'all wanna play it out

[spice solstice]

Yeah, I plan on having a detailed session 0 with him

[hushed mason]

I believe there are specific channels on this server for folks looking for games. 🙂

[remote wadi]

This is getting a little too common

[turbid vessel]

new to the server?

[loud tendon]

@golden latch we ask that people not solicit for games outside out looking for channels.. please check out #find-a-game to see how those channels work. You can respond to threads in #looking-for-players to get started.

Any posts outside those channels trying to get games will be removed.

[golden latch]

Oh im so sorry

[hushed mason]

Don't be sorry! I hope someone mentions the specific channels. 🙂

It's hard to find a game. I play 3.5e, and it's even more challenging than trying to find a 5e game.

[golden latch]

This is so confusing XD
Im not used to such a complex server.
Its really cool tho.

[golden latch]

Interesting

[glass granite]

Hi so sorry, I’m Nugget

[hushed mason]

I have a rooster named Nugget.

[golden latch]

???

[golden latch]

Why are you sorry?

[glacial pulsar]

Hi so sorry, I am Numi!

[golden latch]

Anyways, i wish i cad copied the text i sendt.
Its a bit annoying to have to re write it, but oh well, thats on me, mb XD

[golden latch]

Hi

[turbid vessel]

I have a nugget named rooster

[potent siren]

A Rooster Nugget?!?!

[glass granite]

My long lost cousin?!

[minor cargo]

Non-sequitur: But when the raccoon PFPs and the frog PFPs finally clash, I don’t know which side I’ll be on.

[old sluice]

For me it's the raccoon. Frogs are explosive breeders, the death of one is ecologically less significant

[turbid vessel]

leave it to steve to fabricate conflict between groups to keep us divided 😔

[glass granite]

Join my side, we have popcorn 🍿

[minor cargo]

Better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war. 😩

[old sluice]

Samwise Gamgee might disagree

[turbid vessel]

besides we all know the real enemy is cat PfPs

[minor cargo]

Romance of the three kingdoms.

[craggy summit]

i don't think my pfp counts as a cat pfp 🤔 (it's armor king from Tekken, who has a jaguar mask iirc)

....right?

[glass granite]

Close enough, release the popcorn

[hushed mason]

I want popcorn.

[craggy summit]

alright fine who am i fighting? 🗡

[loud tendon]

let's veer back towards the topic of the channel (D&D) and away from avatar wars please

[glass granite]

Very well

[turbid vessel]

so what animal fits what class the best

[craggy summit]

right right, anyways. battle master fighter or psi warrior fighter? which y'all like more?

[glass granite]

Battle master

[minor cargo]

There’s a 3rd party cat species for 5E called Felis. They’re more like house cats than cat people. We use it and it’s really dope.

Any similar 3rd party for raccoon or possum or frog people? https://imgur.com/gallery/d-d-felis-race-homebrew-updated-GzuvdIM

grung of course is good.

[glass granite]

I just like the manoeuvres (except for the fact I can never spell manoeuvres)

[craggy summit]

Rogue is something cat like, barb I can imagine being dragon or a bull

[glass granite]

I get dog vibes from fighter

[turbid vessel]

either that or paladins

[glass granite]

Golden retrievers for paladins seem very fitting yeah

[minor cargo]

Oathbreaker Golden Retriever. 😭

[loud tendon]

I believe Humblewood has a racoon based species..

[high vine]

Is there anywhere here I can post a picture? I wanna see what other DM's might think of a homebrew stat block

[violet basin]

#homebrew

[high vine]

Don't wanna post in the wrong page and clog stuff up

Can't post pics there sadly

[idle oar]

You can use a reputable file hosting service and link to your image statblock that way and share it in #homebrew

[high vine]

Can you give me a rec for a reputable service? I think I only know tiny pic

[idle oar]

Google Drive? OneDrive? Pretty reputable.

[high vine]

Cool thanks !

[violet basin]

imagebb

imgur

[idle oar]

Also reputable choices

[violet basin]

can probably also direct link it from another discord server

[high vine]

Thank you

I usually will link from another page but on the same discord server lol wish homebrew let us post images but what can you do

[idle oar]

I'd be careful with this as the links may end up getting blocked and your account possibly banned for suspicious links

not all Discord servers are reputable lol

[violet basin]

can i test something?

[idle oar]

Let's not

[small mulch]

So uhh

Where would someone start to get experience as a DM?

[old sluice]

By DMing?

Just... Just keep DMing to gain experience. It seems obvious. Which means that I am probably misunderstanding the question

[small mulch]

Okay. How can I find my first game to DM?

[wintry sequoia]

You could start with a couple one shots, get some of your friends and run small things

[old sluice]

Get players and start running?

[potent siren]

Easiest way would be to read through a pre-made module, and then try to find some players

[old sluice]

Running the game. Not literally running

[small mulch]

Okay. Where can I find pre-made modules?

[potent siren]

Sprint!

[idle oar]

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[cosmic roost]

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  -# = starter adventure; = digital dice

[idle oar]

^ Free stuff you can claim on DnDBeyond

[old sluice]

By buying them or downloading free ones

[small mulch]

Thank you!

[idle oar]

DMsGuild also has free and pay what you want options

[small mulch]

Okay. Where can I find that?

[idle oar]

If internet search isn't working for you, you can find it here: https://www.dmsguild.com/

[small mulch]

Thanks!

[hushed mason]

I'm currently running The Fortress of the Yuan-ti, which you can pick up at archive.org; however, you'd have to convert it to 5e.

[median shore]

wha goin on? :3

[oblique frost]

Hellooo everyone!

[median shore]

that uhhh

that is a pfp

[oblique frost]

Its a pig

[median shore]

of all the pfps every used it's

it's one of em

[oblique frost]

This is odd people seem to not like my pfp

[idle oar]

Anyway back to D&D...

[violet basin]

i cant claim the stuff that goes to the cart for $0

it asks me a for my telepohone number, but refuses to accept the telephone number

[idle oar]

For DnDBeyond?

[violet basin]

yea

wont take any combination or format of my phonenumber

[idle oar]

Did you include the region code? e.g. US is +1

[violet basin]

yes

[idle oar]

Huh weird

[violet basin]

worked on a second refresh

[undone fable]

how dnd?

are psions going to be published soon?

[idle oar]

...wouldn't we like to know

but no, nothing announced yet

[fossil hollow]

did we hear about any other releases

[idle oar]

I don't think anything else has been announced yet
but I suspect things are in the works

[crimson gulch]

needs me some new books

i have ran all the exisiting ones!

[fossil hollow]

eyyyy!

wait, did you run citadel

[undone fable]

do you need some more adventures?

[crimson gulch]

im not counting the compilation books or the variose setting guides in that

[small mulch]

I got my DND module, Escape From Phlan. Time to study up

[undone fable]

what about quests of the infinite staircase?

[crimson gulch]

as i have not ran anything in the MTG setting books, keys, radiant citadel or tales from the yawning portal as campaigns

[fossil hollow]

oh ic

[crimson gulch]

cover to cover, some chapters ran twice

[undone fable]

If I got an adventure published, you said yes to running it, right?

do you wanna do a trial run of my adventure?

[fickle heart]

Look for some fun 3PP adventures, though I don't know any that would exactly match your style, as a lot of the ones I'm more familiar with are pretty heavily narratively-focused.

[crimson gulch]

they dont print them and ship those here

[fossil hollow]

tamms, last thing i need you doing is giving reccomendations to my dm

[undone fable]

whats 3pp?

[fossil hollow]

again

i dont want another death from a dracotaur

[fickle heart]

I feel like DriveThruRPG definitely isn't just stuck to the US.

[crimson gulch]

i aint paying import tarrifs

[undone fable]

whats drivethrurpg?

[hushed mason]

Website, I believe.

[undone fable]

i got you a very free adventure that is technically drafts but very much a workable mega dungeon

[stuck shuttle]

You finished it?

[undone fable]

me?

i got my outline done!

[crimson gulch]

keep at it Enid

[idle oar]

DMsGuild is a online storefront run by the same folks behind DriveThruRPG and Roll20 and Demiplane (yes they own that too) - DMsGuild is officially licensed to sell D&D products (legacy books) and has a special license that allows folks to create and sell D&D materials that allow them to use more than just the SRD under the DMsGuild license.

[fickle heart]

I'm guessing that would be taken care of on the shipping portion, methinks.

[crimson gulch]

yeah, none of what is on there is worth paying all those extra fees for

[fickle heart]

In the same sense that D&D books would be hit by import tariffs.

[crimson gulch]

im kind of prickly about what i buy, if they arent putting them on store shelfs here where i can go and grab them i am not going to buy it, and i dont buy pdfs

i get staff discount at the shop i work at running games

[fickle heart]

Fair enough, though there's definitely worlds of stuff that can be found, especially considering that it's not like WotC employees materialize out of nowhere.

[undone fable]

do i need the entire encounter and layout done for you consider the adventure?

[fossil hollow]

they tend to be burned

or dropped

[crimson gulch]

an idea is just that untill you are finished working on it

[crimson gulch]

im of the opinion that if something is not easaly accessable, its their loss not mine.

[fickle heart]

I mean...all of that stuff is easily accessible.

[lusty tendon]

guys i finally found my back story for my half-goblin rogue/sorcerer, their parents were originally adventurers in the same party

[crimson gulch]

i cant go buy a copy off the shelf, so it sure insent

[undone fable]

Do you like dming as your job

[violet basin]

riddle me this dndbeyond
i have 2 pouches in my entire inventory, no coinage, no other items. nothing, zilch, nada

Weight should be 2 lbs. but it claims 7...?

[fickle heart]

It's arguably more easily accessible, in the sense that you can likely find a nice print shop to make it for you on your own time.

[crimson gulch]

the ma majorty of my games i run unplugged away from a computer, im not gonna pay import tarrifs, or for local printing

the last time i got a quote it was like 120 bucks to try and print an rpg book pdf

[fickle heart]

Depending on pages, not entirely unsurprising; that's why mass printings are so important.

[crimson gulch]

exactly, and if they dont find my market to be worthwild, their loss

[undone fable]

How do I make the mega dungeon interesting towards the end?

[fickle heart]

I'd acknowledge that it's a loss to you too, considering how much stuff you'd be losing out on.

[hushed mason]

Treasure.

[cinder timber]

Hello

[fickle heart]

(From what I've seen on Canadian book tariffs, it's gonna hit the consumer regardless, it seems.)

[old sluice]

By breaking the rules

With megadungeons, normally you have been through a lot of normal encounters. The rules have been followed

[umbral girder]

Yeah set up like the dungeon has very specific rules on how it works, then the finally is wildly different

[old sluice]

But the last encounters? The final thing? Let it break the established rules

[undone fable]

the finale? ooooooh! i have an idea for the BBEG of the mega dungeon!

[old sluice]

Maybe the lowest part is the corpse of a dead god with its mouth open and you need to enter through it to enter the necrotic dreams of that god!

Sorry, I have been playing a bit of a... Certain game.

Which I shall not name. For it is an evil thing.

[undone fable]

what do you expect out of a dnd game?

[fickle heart]

My favorites have a strong story, good tempo, high highs, and terrible-feeling lows, along with the feeling that the PCs are just "there" and not amazingly special in the ways that they sometimes appear to be currently.

In other words: If the game is telling me I did a good job, I tend to lose my sense of immersion because I think the PCs should ideally be intrinstically motivated to complete their goals.

[umbral girder]

So I just realized something about Sorcerers is that their meta magic works with Magic items.

[undone fable]

yes

[buoyant oar]

For me a good DnD Game one that elicits an emotional response from the players.

[hushed mason]

I expect the frickin' players to get along with one another. mutters.

[empty thicket]

oh, learn something new today

[plush hinge]

Could I tell you guys about something mildly concerning that my dm did in our last session?

[empty thicket]

How one would justify multiclass to sorc?

"Oh look, it seems that some ancestor of mine was a caster and now i have powers"

[hushed mason]

Sure. I'm up for some drama I'm not involved in.

[hushed mason]

Some people are late bloomers.

[plush hinge]

They awaken to their inherent magical power after some sort of realization

[fossil hollow]

whats the subclass

[marble lion]

Pretty much

[empty thicket]

My paladin got mind controlled and touched without his consent, but now we have a new harpy companion.

[fossil hollow]

cuz bloodlines arent the only way to get sorceror powers

[empty thicket]

Fighter

[fossil hollow]

subclass, not primary class

what subclass of sorc are you looking into

[empty thicket]

ooohhhhhh, ermmm.... wild magic would be funny honestly

[undone fable]

how do I not dm a mega dungeon?

[hushed mason]

So, are you going to tell us about this 'mildy concerning' thing?

[empty thicket]

is taking his time to write, let him be

[undone fable]

me? i dont think i was talking for a bit.

[hushed mason]

Fair.

[marble lion]

You spooked em now

Nevermind shhh

[empty thicket]

Like, Exploding myself with that wild magic? good, i will be close to the enemies.
Regeneration, resistance to all damages
But at the same time turning into a plant or a sheep left me giga vulnerable.
Just saw one that make a F·$@!&% unicorn show up.

[fossil hollow]

could easily have been your oath magic going wild after being controlled

[empty thicket]

Literally say that an unicorn show up for 1 minute bro i would giga laugh my ass off for that

[plush hinge]

Okay~ So I play this cute lil snowleopard tabaxi druid (Circle of Winter~) named Murua. Murua is non-binary but not in the typical modern sense of not aligning with either gender. Murua doesn't REALLY understand gender because they were abandoned as basically a baby, and lived most of their life alone.

So Murua responds to like any pronouns and doesn't take offense to any of them because they're just like vibing ya know, and they have a very silly personality

Now the issue...

We had a shopping episode, and I mentioned I had a list of some stuff I wanted to buy, but it was mostly stuff for my partymates (I've been low-key carrying like every combat scenario so I'm tryna buff em up)

My DM was like "Oh, I got this one just for you." and he called it "The King's Cloak" I haven't looked up the item since but basically as he described it, it would turn Murua from silly little non-gendered cat, into very masculine gigachad memes with an almost entirely different personality for some mildly better stats.

I declined it and we moved on, but I was just like why did he want this for me...

to be clear the gender thing with Murua is like a non-factor in actual play. It's come up MAYBE twice. if I was like being annoying about it I'd maybe get it but like @~@

[prisma mason]

Really you could become a sorcerer in ten million ways

[hushed mason]

If it's bothering you this much, just ask the DM why they thought it would be great for you.

[prisma mason]

You could stub your toe on a magical rock

[plush hinge]

that's so confrontational thoouuugh

[hushed mason]

Direct communication is the most effective kind.

[marble lion]

Not really

[empty thicket]

Its almost like my Bard, just that he is giga dumb and wont understand the term of gender. I will have to lie how we made peace with the harpys and why we have a new harpy teenager in our team.... god gave me a ring of regeneration please

[marble lion]

Also hold on, personality changes from a cloak?

[hushed mason]

There's nothing "confrontational" about it. You're just asking. It's inquisitive, not accusitory.

[plush hinge]

Also I was bummed out cause our shopping episode was like 90% just joke items, and I didn't get anything from my wishlist lol

which again were no items for me

just ones I thought would be neat for my party to have

[empty thicket]

A cloak that turn you into a gigachad sound funny tho, would do jokes with that. Put it in some giga cute character and saw it turn into a jojos

[hushed mason]

And if you're not able to ask them directly, then let it go. Don't let it be a concern to you. Either it bothers you enough to do something about it (talk to the DM) or it's just unhelpful clutter in your brain.

[empty thicket]

take it and sell it later. You can use it for many things

[bronze wave]

I’d just talk to your dm, or get over it

[empty thicket]

For a leader that have insecurities and want to look better, more advantage in some persuasions, etc. etc.

[undone fable]

could i become an oathbreaker?

[bronze wave]

Or ask the to reflavor the item lol

[plush hinge]

iirc he said something along the lines of "You become completely obsessed with yourself, and think you are the sexiest thing alive."

[empty thicket]

Depend, what is your oath and why you would break it?

[bronze wave]

Anyone can

[plush hinge]

I'll probably do the latter lol

[marble lion]

Id assume either they dont understand your vision of the gender trait and that you dont want it changed
Or they are having a laugh and are just a silly type of DM

Id recommend asking innocently about it

[undone fable]

vengeance but idk yet.

[marble lion]

Both reasons are no cause for conflict

[plush hinge]

it's probably nothing tbh

[hushed mason]

So let it go. 🙂

[prisma mason]

It seems innocent but kinda sus

If it happens again I'd maybe bring it up

[marble lion]

A wild child who doesnt get genderroles being offered an item that interacts with that imo is not sus

[bronze wave]

That’s fine, if it bothers you I’d bring it up. What’s the worst that can happen.

They screams 400 slurs at you? If they do is that rlly a game you wanna be in?

[hushed mason]

I agree, but I'm direct like that.

[prisma mason]

It's rewriting their character to be the opposite of what they are

[marble lion]

In other scenarios this would be very sus but in this case it sounds very innocent

[plush hinge]

lel

[prisma mason]

Real

[bronze wave]

Sure but like I don’t think it was done maliciously or forced. If I was the dm idk if I’d even be aware of this issue

And it’s best to nip it in the bud. Bring it up rn so it doesn’t happen AGAIN later

But the next time might be worse who knows

[prisma mason]

Yeah that's why I was kinda saying if it does happen again yeah

[plush hinge]

Oh the other thing with it is he said the change it causes would be permanent (I assume it'd be like a curse removal sort of thing) and I think he genuinely thought at the time I'd be like 100% down for being gigachad meme but I don't know why lol

[hushed mason]

What is "gigachad meme"?

[marble lion]

Its being amused by hypermasculinity

[empty thicket]

Make it into a moment:
when you saw the entity you want to take revenge. You sense how something in you snap then you are starting (insert some offensive action, extra points for chocking) you sense how the divine power inside of you start corrupting by the anger and resentment until the life of that entity wipe off from his eyes and you can sense the darkness surrounding you.
Congratulations, you became an oathbreaker

[marble lion]

Think gaston from that disney movie

[prisma mason]

Also I might try doing a dungeon generator and then running through the dungeon solo and see how it goes

[undone fable]

oooh i love that

[fossil hollow]

this one

[plush hinge]

In this case, strong jawline, musculature, and EGO

[marble lion]

Johnny bravo

[plush hinge]

Yeee

[hushed mason]

Maybe they suggested it facetiously?

[plush hinge]

the only reason I can think of is we are in drama class and I played Dio Brando one time for a warm up lol

[marble lion]

The only way i see this being an issue is if you actually do identify as genderqueer and the DM knows this character is an expression of that and is trying to ridicule it or force you into a gendernorm

[undone fable]

Genderqueer? whats that?

[empty thicket]

Thanks, you get the idea. Dont just "now im an oathbreaker". Give it a reason of your class and ways.
Like an example, i am using a Fighter, champion that was a gladiator in some foreign arenas.
Justifying his class and subclass.

[marble lion]

Anything that isnt cis

[lyric idol]

Yknow they were probably making magic items for everyone and thought of that dio impression and decided to make the magic item.

[glossy otter]

I has returned! whats the current convo?

[empty thicket]

And make it into a change, a scene.
The Fighter subclassing into Warloc
The artificer subclassing into cleric, etc. etc.
Make it epic, sad or whatever you want but make it good

[plush hinge]

IRL I'm cis, but I do generally prefer playing more femme characters

[plush hinge]

That's probably it tho

[marble lion]

Yeah

[prisma mason]

I think for my solo dungeon run I may perhaps try a fighter dwarf :>

[undone fable]

do you mean multiclassing?

[prisma mason]

Tho I feel like I'ma be slaughtered by traps

[bronze wave]

Dodge them? Duh

[coral marsh]

excuse me I'm trying to post in #looking for players but says i don't have permission. How do I get permission?

[prisma mason]

Real

[empty thicket]

It was an example, you can do that too with multiclassing and would be okey for me too. I mean it with the subclasses, some feats, etc. etc.

[undone fable]

gotcha

[plush hinge]

do you guys wanna hear why my silly lil druid tabaxi is so fun mechanically though?~

[hushed mason]

The whole cat-person thing has me disinterested. I can't get over my aversion to furries.

But yes, tell us!

[empty thicket]

Get mascots, some pigs or something small, rabbits. Throw them into the dungeon and let them trigger the traps

[hushed mason]

That's what a Bag of Tricks is for.

[empty thicket]

You have there meat and they will clean the path of traps

[bronze wave]

Also not a furry guy or like Druids but let’s hear it

[fossil hollow]

crates of chicken is the cheapest for your buck. And if they get flamed, you have KFC on the spot

[prisma mason]

I'd throw myself in to protect them

[harsh hinge]

Did you read the information in #find-a-game?

[lyric idol]

I mean I kinda hear ya. I still haven't played a shifter or tabaxi. I wouldn't bring that to the server though ;-;

[hushed mason]

A Bag of Tricks has an assortment of animals that you pull out at random.

[empty thicket]

Survival of a bunny.

[prisma mason]

Dawg if their was like a cute pig if fight a balor

[hushed mason]

But... rabbits be good eatin'.

[marble lion]

I love tabaxi while having zero love for furry culture. Beast races in fantasy are usually different from furry stuff

[prisma mason]

I do like eating rabbit I actually had rabbit curry not long ago

[marble lion]

Minotaurs, owlin, tabaxi, leonin and loxodons. I love them

[hushed mason]

They remind me of furries too much.

[empty thicket]

the "my mother is a siren and my father is a minotaur" joke character is something i wont mind trying

[bronze wave]

Better than me, I’d eat the bacon with balor. CR19 creature talking about fight them 😭

[bronze wave]

Beast races always seemed gimmicky to me idk why

[marble lion]

You would be the bacon sorry

[prisma mason]

I'd be like Gandalf

[bronze wave]

Dead?

[lyric idol]

Warforged race simply better.

[limber oriole]

Aren’t Minotaurs like unplayable due to their insane hunger for human flesh?

[prisma mason]

Ac doesn't matter if they take fall damage!

[bronze wave]

My goat machines

[marble lion]

Their what

[limber oriole]

Dudes just love chowing down on people

[old sluice]

Actually there's a playable PC minotaur. But it's trash and stupid

[empty thicket]

If not then idk what is a way to clean a corridor with traps.
Cant be a familiar for not being a caster (fighter)
Can pick up a monster and force him but would fight back.
A chain with a weight would break against some traps

[marble lion]

What its great

[limber oriole]

From what i remember Minotaurs have like an insane urge to consume Human flesh

[marble lion]

Whats so trash about minotaurs

[old sluice]

The fact that they're playable

[prisma mason]

They too big

[lyric idol]

The playable race not the creature

[marble lion]

Yes i mean the player race

[limber oriole]

Minotaurs shouldn’t be playable

[old sluice]

Now monster minotaurs? love them

[marble lion]

Why? theyre cool

[plush hinge]

So they're a Circle of Winter Druid which gives them a few cool traits. Main two that are neat are instead of Wildshaping they get this feature called "Winter Spirit" which basically gives them a Gaara Sand Shield but made of snow (mechanically just a lot of temp HP), but they also get "Slippery Magic"

However what makes Murua so fun is they carry around this giant staff that their mysterious parent left behind, and it prevents them from using things like feline agility. However this isn't a problem because big stick can whack!

They've recently acquired the feats Fury of the Frost Giant, and Frost Giant's Strike. Which when combined with a good Absorb Elements reaction and Elemental Bane Cold on the previous turn, lets Murua whack with their big stick for a minimum of 17 damage and a max of like 38. But because of all their traits and feats this attack forces the target to make a couple saves, that if they fail then they fall prone, and have their movement reduced to zero.

[marble lion]

I wanna play one someday. I had one as paladin in my game and it was fun

[prisma mason]

I like imaging what would happen dungeoning with a minotaur in the party barely able to fit

[old sluice]

The fact that they exist is the problem. The fact that they're cool is even worse.

[hushed mason]

Reads all this and nods like she has some kind of clue as to what you're talking about. (I only play 3.5e).

[marble lion]

What is so bad about it?

[old sluice]

The fact that they exist.

[empty thicket]

Had a minotaur companion one time, he was too hasty and violent. Kicked a door down and got surprise attacked by a corpse eater
Failed his attacks and then got tilted and left. We said it was decapitated

[marble lion]

Why is them existing bad?

[plush hinge]

The TLDR of it is Murua is practically unkillable, and gets to whack people with a big stick for a lot of damage, and if someone gets whacked by big stick they are basically crippled.

[hushed mason]

Well, the manner in which they came into the world is pretty sketchy. Pasiphaë and the bull and what not.

[limber oriole]

I mean they are eternally hungry and have the urge to eat humans whenever they are around them, it’d end up with them making constant wisdom saves to resist the urge to snack on Humanoids

[marble lion]

Not the player race

[fossil hollow]

note that DnD does not always follow IRL mythology and culture for their origin. In most parts of dnd lore, theyre cursed people or creation from the demon lord Baphomet

[marble lion]

Theyre a different variety

[fossil hollow]

and yeah. Dnd minotaurs arent exactly like Astarion

[prisma mason]

I had a acid dragonborn barbarian that used to melt down bones with his acid spit as a snack :>

[old sluice]

Making minotaurs playable is a bad move for two reasons. First it creates a dissonance between PC minotaurs and monster minotaurs. Second, it turns an interesting, well thought-out and versatile monster into cute cow people.

[lyric idol]

In terms of older editions, its too many magic items and a lot of damage in a single attack for a regular rogue to be doing :/

[plush hinge]

That's fun~

[fossil hollow]

Eh, they did it well in Theros (their first release in 5e)

[marble lion]

You ppl hate fun smh

[plush hinge]

Druid~

[buoyant oar]

"Whittle Guy" syndrome makes me tired.

[prisma mason]

Imagine not liking cute cows

[buoyant oar]

More power to people who like it.

[marble lion]

The one i saw wasnt cute

[old sluice]

Theros is a setting made for greek mythology that works on its lore. Theros minotaurs are fine. MotM minotaurs are not

[limber oriole]

I mean it’s your game dude! play as all kinds of stuff

[plush hinge]

but Im just a widdle cat

[lyric idol]

I like the separate cuts of cow. Just not all the cuts and the leather still together and alive, yknow?

[fossil hollow]

ok, i will agree i hate the art for minotaurs in MoTM

[marble lion]

Ok hold on what the hells

[old sluice]

And also: Dissonance between monster minotaurs and playable minotaurs affects the game negatively

[marble lion]

I just googled motm minotaurs. Thats horrid

[buoyant oar]

Could be worse. Could be that stint where critters made Firbolgs cow people.

[marble lion]

I like those firbolg way more actually, depending on the art

[lyric idol]

Meh you can argue that playable minotaurs are only half minotaur to keep balance. I get why they don't just go and hand players a playable minotaur in essence.

[buoyant oar]

It's completely incongruous with what firbolgs are. Tho especially when the minotaur is right there.

[marble lion]

There are countless ways to make playable minotaur not break the game imo

[limber oriole]

Half Minotaurs don’t exist

[old sluice]

Nobody said anything about them breaking the game

[marble lion]

It is. I was disappointed when i saw og firbolgs though

[plush hinge]

I think people should just play whatever manner of silly creature they feel like

[old sluice]

Also, full disclosure: I hate beast people in general.

[limber oriole]

Fun fact, a child of a Minotaur and a human women will always be a male minotaur

[plush hinge]

if the stats are broken or whatever give em new stats

[lyric idol]

They can. Magic, curses, or ah..the...uh regular way know.

[old sluice]

I think a fantasy species that's basically "animal anthropomorphised" is lazy, shameful and unimaginative.

[limber oriole]

The regular way just results in Male minotaurs!

[limber oriole]

I don’t know if i’d use hate but i’m kinda with you

[buoyant oar]

Players should be allowed to play what they like.

Within the confines of what the DM allows

[snow agate]

neat fun fact
bats use echolocation to find bugs midair and in the dark, and they basically fly around swarms of bugs and scoop them up like a whale eats krill

[marble lion]

I think its fine because so many people like them

[lyric idol]

I let other people play them but yeah...I'm never touching them myself.

[glacial pulsar]

Think you just insulted like half of eastern-asian culture XD

[plush hinge]

but hear me out, being a cat is really funny. I get distracted by shiny objects. if you put me in an enclosed space I am unlikely to want to leave. I get to hop on my paladin's shoulders and just hang out

[marble lion]

And greek and egyptian and americas

[old sluice]

I do have to say that the Chinese Yaoguai and related concepts are omitted from that last comment.

[fossil hollow]

what? I dont think theres much of those in there.

[snow agate]

honestly id rather have a catgirl player than a kobold player so i cant judge that much

[limber oriole]

I’d argue in the rush to make everything playable and unique you run the risk of making everything mundane

[buoyant oar]

But like you are a person sized cat. You aren't an actual cat

[lyric idol]

Thats half of DND characters when theres treasure or a secret to find anyways. Don't even need the fur.

[snow agate]

or a gnome player, or a lizardfolk player, or most tieflings, or

[balmy citrus]

That's the issue. Nobody plays them like a people. They see them strictly as the animal they're based on. While inheriting a cat-like sense of curiosity is fine you have to think of your character beyond just. "Ooh i'm a kitty"

[limber oriole]

Tbh i’d even go as fat to say Goblins and Kobolds shouldn’t be playable either

[glacial pulsar]

There's a lot of animal yokai and Yaoguai for one

[fossil hollow]

Yeah, but not half animal half human

[snow agate]

i approve of goblins only because goblins are cool and can make logical adventurers

[fossil hollow]

its usually animals/spirits pretending to be people iirc

[plush hinge]

lol I love you and kas having completely opposite issues. I'm not sure who to debate with lol

[buoyant oar]

Goblins I am okay ish with. But. After that I am like stahp

[old sluice]

I like Yaoguai. First because Yaoguai are not... Like, a species of things. Yaoguai were all born as animals.

[hushed mason]

I adore kobolds.

[limber oriole]

Goblins make a lot more sense than others i will admit, but also it should be treated as a rarity

[buoyant oar]

I am so happy the slime man is setting specific.

[snow agate]

yeah id ask for a goblin backstory

[fossil hollow]

Plasmoid?

[plush hinge]

my cat I feel is like pretty equal parts cat and person

[balmy citrus]

All species are setting specific techinically a DM can ban any they see fit

[hushed mason]

I've written goblins and kobolds into my world as core races. Lizardfolk to a lesser degree.

[limber oriole]

I also don’t like it because it ties into the ‘goofy little dude’ thing which i detest

[lyric idol]

Warforged and Changelings. I'll never swap from those 2 races. 1. Because robots and 2. I'll never need to use disguise magic ever again.

[hushed mason]

YES! That's why I dm. No darn warforged or furries or dragonborn.

[buoyant oar]

There are setting neutral Species such as those in Monsters of the Multiverse.

[snow agate]

yeah there are certain races that players have a tendency to make cartoonish gremlins instead of like, mature adults with brains

[marble lion]

Weird

[plush hinge]

you guys are so anti fun lol

[lyric idol]

Not allowing warforged is a crime. I want to play as the very first artificial intelligence in DND.

[buoyant oar]

And yes I know I can ban them. Like I do changelings all the time.

[hushed mason]

Warforged isn't core in 3.5e. 🙂

[limber oriole]

Anti-your version of fun i guess, but i’m not yucking your yum!

[lean wigeon]

warforged is pretty specific to eberron

[buoyant oar]

And Nerath

[plush hinge]

What's wrong with "Just a silly lil guy"

[limber oriole]

Same reason i hate rogues

[hushed mason]

So there's no crime in my saying 'no Eberron races'.

[old sluice]

The very first artificial intelligence in DnD is the first golem simulacrum or homonculi

[balmy citrus]

You can rewrite them to fit into Fae'run since both the wonders and Nimblewrights exist

[snow agate]

trying to have a campaign with a level of gravity instead of a slapstick cringe-comedy

[buoyant oar]

Nothing wrong with just a silly guy. At is base. For me is tired and over done.

[limber oriole]

I’m just not a fan of goofy characters or campaigns

[glass granite]

I’m completely fine with them as long as they have enough depth to expand on

[hushed mason]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! There was a wild emogla here... and I didn't catch it.

[fossil hollow]

theyre not core in 4e either

[limber oriole]

All it does is become oversaturated and thus unfunny

[glass granite]

Goofy and interesting aren’t mutually exclusive

[fossil hollow]

why did i say 4e, i mean 5e

[snow agate]

i wanna see a goblin pc where the goblin is dead serious and like an underdog warrior whos striving for greatness

[plush hinge]

I long for the day I am presented with the chance to drop my oversized staff to use my feline agility to save my friends

[balmy citrus]

Nott the Brave

[plush hinge]

[glass granite]

Also hi Dizzy, I haven’t seen you on the server for a bit

[old sluice]

I wanna see a goblin PC where the goblin is serious, but also murderous and vicious.

[lyric idol]

No Eberron races is tragic when there's changelings which is a whole other fun race to play.

[snow agate]

nott really

[buoyant oar]

If I have to get through 40 hours of Goblin PC to get serious. The Serious is the variety.

[plush hinge]

That's cause normally I just dm you instead lol

[old sluice]

Play them in Eberron.

[fossil hollow]

Nott is hella goofy in her own right. Shes played by Sam of all people

[snow agate]

gimme a goblin where the backstory is literally you were a faceless minion/bandit

[lyric idol]

Eternally just stuck in Eberron is pain...and tragic.

[buoyant oar]

That is like saying watch one piece it gets good 750 episodes in

[undone fable]

Are half elves back in Eberron 24 book?

[fossil hollow]

yes and no

[buoyant oar]

Technically yes. But they have their own name.

[balmy citrus]

Changelings are a fantasy staple. Blocking them off seems strange but play your way ig

[snow agate]

since when

[fossil hollow]

European folklore

[glass granite]

Yup

[balmy citrus]

yep

[plush hinge]

My tabaxi is deeply lonely and lived a large portion of their life being a walking natural disaster that everyone ran from. Then they made friends and so now they're keen to keep em

[buoyant oar]

I block them off because 90% of my experience people have made them as an excuse to violate boundaries.

[fossil hollow]

so many stories of babies being switched out

[snow agate]

ah i forgot to do my european folklore homework i was too busy doing my american movies homework

[undone fable]

whats the new name for half elf?

[old sluice]

Just because something is a fantasy staple does not mean it should be playable.

[fossil hollow]

Korovhar or something

[old sluice]

You know what else is a fantasy staple? Demon gods.

[glass granite]

Wats wrong with changelings

[balmy citrus]

And I say that I must respectfully disagree

[limber oriole]

I would say characters like changelings, Goblins, Kobolds and things like Tabaxi and Tortles are things i would ask from a better/more experienced player

[abstract dune]

Does anyone know if the new Forge of the Artificer conflicts with the Tasha's Artificer?

[hushed mason]

Dragons are a fantasy staple. I'm still not going to let you play one.

[lyric idol]

Thats...actually rough. I was gonna make a joke about now if people wanna be racist towards halfelves they gotta say the correct name but I realized this is DND and a lot of those kinda people filter in and out.

[glass granite]

This I will agree with

[buoyant oar]

For me. Changelings just invites problem player behavior.

[old sluice]

And why is that?

[fossil hollow]

tortles on that list?

[balmy citrus]

it completely changes several core features

[limber oriole]

Like sure go ahead, but why are YOU here?

[lyric idol]

Like what if you don't mind me asking?

[undone fable]

so its okay if I use "half elf" because ... i think if i said half elf, more people understand me?

[glass granite]

Though, less so kobolds and maybe tabaxi
Changelings definitely tho

[snow agate]

why not

[fossil hollow]

curious as to why tortles

[balmy citrus]

because I have my own opinions and my aunt taught me to respect other people's perspectives

[buoyant oar]

"Oooh I am going to shift into the princess's betrothed and get information out of her in the bed chamber."

[old sluice]

You don't understand. I am asking why you disagree. Meaning what is your reasoning

[lyric idol]

Sorry I misread that

[limber oriole]

Mostly only found in Chult to my understanding so how did you get to where the Campaign is taking place? What brought you here?

[fossil hollow]

ah, localization thing

[abstract dune]

So would the advice be to not get the new Forge of the Artificer if I have an Artificer in a current campaign?

[buoyant oar]

I have booted no less than 8 changeling players over the years. It is not worth it.

[fossil hollow]

Does your table agree with using the new one or no?

[snow agate]

as a side tangent i think id really love it if players were more willing to be local to the starting area or the area of the campaign instead of being errant murderhobos

[limber oriole]

Whereas your run of the mill Human fighter, duh obviously you’re interested in guarding this caravan/delivering this message however the Campaign would start

[lyric idol]

Actual yikes behavior. Misread that as "looking for behavior in her chamber" but I reread what it actually said and it jumpscared me.

[hushed mason]

THIS. Like, if I give you a detailed plot-hook / story entry... why can't you come up with something remotely local?

[abstract dune]

They aren't sure yet. No one has it, and we didn't know how significantly things would change.

[limber oriole]

I will preface it by saying i lean definitely more towards the realistic side of play i guess, more logical

[buoyant oar]

I am aware that that is not an issue with the species but rather the specific people. But when an option attracts a type of player. Remove the option.

[old sluice]

To be fair, that is also a staple of the genre. And a lot of genre. That is how king Arthur is conceived. If your character is villainous, that's probably the sort of thing they would do. But it requires table agreement. And the understanding that most of your teammates might kill you if they find out

[buoyant oar]

It's also super gross.

[old sluice]

Yes. Villains do gross things.

[fossil hollow]

i dont think they should be on thye player side

[balmy citrus]

I believe player freedom is how a good game is formed. Bogging oneself with the rules breaks one of the most important ones of all. Rule 0. What I meant by what I said is that yes there should be restrictions but if the game has it why stop it? If you truly trust your group you will know they won't cross a boundry you set

[buoyant oar]

Villains. I don't run with Evil PCs

[fossil hollow]

especially when in this context, that doesnt seem to be the type of behavior allowed at Kas table...

[old sluice]

Well I've been in a few games that were enhanced by a villainous PC. It is rare though

[buoyant oar]

The bottom of the alignment chart is straight up not allowed.

[fossil hollow]

isnt every game though

[old sluice]

But yeah. Point taken

[hushed mason]

I am a first-time DM. We have an evil PC in the party. It's fine. They're not stupid about it. I told them it would only work if they could find a way to stay motivated to working with the group to accomplish "goodly" aims.

[lyric idol]

Yeah unless I'm running an evil campaign (which btw at session 0 I set that they cannot do THAT behavior) I usually require players to at least be Neutral. They can be greedy scumbags and loot goblins and lean towards the unlawful side but playing a good campaign as an evil character usually doesn't work.

[snow agate]

honestly it would be interesting on the inverse; like if you're a player and you have some important NPC you're into and have gotten on with, but then you find out you're talking to a changeling one day, and NPC is missing, and what did you do with them?? interrogation scene, aaa

[limber oriole]

Evil PC’s require an insane amount of nuance that you’re not going to find unless it’s in a super long term table with people you know are good players.

[fossil hollow]

i mean, i got a table of menaces who would do that, but we arent comically evil about it

[limber oriole]

People also have a tendency to view Evil = random acts of chaos

[balmy citrus]

The First light changelings are actually quite interesting as they can actually turn into beasts and are more noticeable

[buoyant oar]

Yeah. Most of my players come from the Internet. And there is a 0% chance a random is getting that level of trust.

[fossil hollow]

and i love the vibe of that table who are just a bunch of hoodlums doing work

[old sluice]

I fear you misunderstand. I was asking you to explain why you disagreed when I said that something being a staple of fantasy should not mean it is playable.

[snow agate]

people think that to be chaotic evil you need to kick babies and eat orphans, when really you just need to be a chaotic neutral character but more of a selfish bastard. or be causing chaotic and evil impacts on the world, ALA evil minions

[lyric idol]

Yeah evil for sake of evil canevil.

[fossil hollow]

if youre going to be CE< at least be a cruella

Peak era disney Cruella to clarify

[buoyant oar]

I have a long list of options not allowed in my games tbh. It's a spreadsheet now hahaha. That is for my free games. I am more lax for the paid ones.

[balmy citrus]

I answered the question but I will rephrase. I didn't mean all staples of fantasy. I meant the staples included as game options for a player to access.

[limber oriole]

I mean you can be chaotic evil and not chaotic yourself, you might look to sow Chaos through orchestrating it behind the scenes

[hushed mason]

I have a long list, based on my first game.

[snow agate]

yeah often your impact on the world matters more than your personality

[old sluice]

Buy that is a non-sequitur. We were talking about the logic behind whether or not something should be a game option.

[limber oriole]

Assassinating political leaders, stirring up rumour and innuendo, setting people against each other

[hushed mason]

chaotic-stupid isn't acceptable at any point in the good/evil axis.

[snow agate]

or lawful stupid

[fossil hollow]

any alignment- stupid really

[buoyant oar]

It helps I can kill many undesirable options by saying. "Forgotten Realms only"

[hushed mason]

I still can't believe that emogla got away.

[balmy citrus]

I believe it should because as I mentioned player Freedom matters to me and my groups.

[fossil hollow]

its a pikachu clone, let it be

[lyric idol]

Buddy we tend to pick up randos a lot in DND. Usually I have faith in humanity they won't cross the line, but sometimes especially with newer players unless you set a strict boundary they will cross it. I'd rather prevent some problems from happening then have to play clean up.

[limber oriole]

I mean i personally view Chaotic as meaning less interested in what is percieved by the whole. Chaotic Good = your own moral compass and thoughts, lawful good = What society deems is good

[hushed mason]

Oh, I disagree, since some societies can be more neutral than lawful.

[limber oriole]

That was going to be my next caveat

[fossil hollow]

Society can also include places like... Menzobarranzen or whatever

[balmy citrus]

Lawful good isn't "I'm good because the law says so" It's more "I am good because I follow a code of ethics"

[fossil hollow]

or florida

Dont think Florida is in the Lawful side of the spectrum

[limber oriole]

That is set by the law, so a Paladin serving a Just lord is lawful good to my mind

[hushed mason]

Naw. More like, I follow a GOOD code of ethics.

[glacial pulsar]

Evil PC's are kind of fun tho ngl if you run an evil game

[old sluice]

Yes but... The discussion was, in that context, that some (me included) argued that minotaurs should not have been published as PCs. So that doesn't matter

[balmy citrus]

this is cathartic

this is why I don't like typing here

[old sluice]

I don't think that's what catharsis means.

[fossil hollow]

"I dont think that word means what you think it means"

[lyric idol]

lawful is because you follow the law. Good is because you follow a moral code of ethics. A Lawful Evil character exists because they act terrible but their evil falls into the confines of the law.

[buoyant oar]

Evil PCs can be fun with a high level of trust. Anything less than it's asking for a bad time.

[limber oriole]

Lawful Neutral = These are the rules for better or worse and we’re sticking to them.

Lawful Evil = These rules are just straight up bad for the majority but we’re going to follow them

[fossil hollow]

anyway, thanks for bingo, alignment in DnD discord

[hushed mason]

LOL

[snow agate]

i think ultimately since alignment is descriptive rather than prescriptive,

what actually matters is your impact on the world as perceived by the world, not your internal thoughts or beliefs. Because the main point of alignment is to determine where you go when you die in this edition :p because we got rid of alignment spells

[fossil hollow]

been a good solid month since last time i feel

[hushed mason]

Is alignment even a thing in 5e?

[buoyant oar]

Yes

[snow agate]

its on your sheet

[glass granite]

Yep

[fossil hollow]

yes. Unfortunately

[limber oriole]

I agree to an extent

[knotty pasture]

It is but its not and shouldn't be reinforced

[balmy citrus]

I meant dull

[old sluice]

Even if the rules are good for the majority a character can still follow them and be lawful evil

[knotty pasture]

There's too much nuance to the point where you could mention it as a label/flavor tops

[potent siren]

I always play Lawful Chaotic. I arbitrarily decide whether to follow the letter of the law to a tee or completely spit in the face of it whenever it is most inconvenient for my DM!

[snow agate]

yeah thats called being a lawyer/landlord/loan shark/HOA karen/etc

[hushed mason]

I don't play 5e, so... I wouldn't know without asking. I don't know what the sheets look like.

[snow agate]

oh ok

[buoyant oar]

That is just chaotic.

[balmy citrus]

Even if said lord is secretly waging war against poorer nations with the help of the paladin. Is that always good?

[potent siren]

Damn it your right!

[fossil hollow]

Chaotic petty to be exact

[bronze wave]

Lawful evil my beloved

[fossil hollow]

poor DM must be in shambles

[glacial pulsar]

Try Chaotic Lawful next time

[knotty pasture]

By that point is the lord even just

[snow agate]

you can have lawful good vs lawful good fighting

[limber oriole]

I think that’s where alignment isn’t nuanced enough

[fossil hollow]

its not. 9 boxes to describe morality isnt ever nuanced

[balmy citrus]

bingo

[buoyant oar]

Alignment is only meant to be hard coded for the outer planes.

[hushed mason]

And dragons!

[fossil hollow]

because extraplanar embody them

[fossil hollow]

nah, theyre still individuals. Even if most of them will follow innate tendencies

[lyric idol]

Its really not nuanced but DND players usually make up with flavor and additional character traits for what the character system lacks.

[limber oriole]

I have to say i’m mixed about the Dragons having set personalties almost

[hushed mason]

I play 3rd edition.

[balmy citrus]

even then Wotc seems to ignore that mostly now

[snow agate]

the whole fun of different types of dragon is looking at their lore descriptions and how that relates to their type, otherwise they're all the same but red or blue or white or green

[lyric idol]

I hope its better then OSE... I'm tired of PCs dying 😄

[limber oriole]

Red Dragons are always cruel and evil, why is that? you can be greedy and not cruel

[glacial pulsar]

There's a bajillion dragons nowadays of various shapes and colors WOTC says we gotta categorize them to make them easier to RP

[buoyant oar]

You know. I have been thinking, we talk a lot about adversarial DMs. But we don't talk enough about Adversarial Players.

[lyric idol]

Specifically MY Player characters dying.

[fossil hollow]

dragons having cookie cutter personalities 🚫
dragons having common trends but still recognizable as iconic from each other

[snow agate]

because greedy and not cruel is a green or blue dragon

[old sluice]

Alignment is not that complicated. It started as a way to say "our characters are on this team and we're all on that team against this other team". It had no reason to become more but it did

[fossil hollow]

All dragons have greed in their personality, no matter the family

Even metallics are still greedy. Thats part of being a dragon

[snow agate]

found the dragon

[old sluice]

Not always. There are exceptions

[limber oriole]

But Dragons live solitary lives for the most part, except in rare circumstances

[balmy citrus]

They just center thier greed somewhere unique

[fossil hollow]

H-how?! My shapeshifting is the ultimate disguise?!

[limber oriole]

So their personality should be dictated by their experiences

[buoyant oar]

There have always been exceptions to hard codes by and Large Baatezu are Lawful Evil, Modrons are Lawful Neutral, etc.

[balmy citrus]

The only dragon I've seen that doesn't have greed seems to be the Song/Spirit dragons

[snow agate]

the metallics are almost all social, and blue/red/green chromatics are also fairly social, if only by warlording

[fossil hollow]

Their flavor of greed is knowledge (at least in the newer books)

[glacial pulsar]

I remember reading an rpg horror story where a Rogue put down they were true neutral and they were outed as evil by a "lawful good" paladin and instantly smited on the spot because they were "evil" despite the Rogue not doing anything

[limber oriole]

I mean all dragons have a need to accumulate more wealth for their afterlife

[snow agate]

what are they, egyptian

[fossil hollow]

greens dont really warlord as much as they gaslight, gatekeep, greenboss

[snow agate]

isnt that blue

[balmy citrus]

Imagine a dragon that hoards people but like adopts kids and not the traditional way they usually do

[fossil hollow]

No, blue are mafia

[snow agate]

oh yea

[fossil hollow]

shrewd and calculating is blue

[snow agate]

this is literally blue dragons

[lyric idol]

This is why we make sure PvP must be agreeable between both characters for it to happen in session 0 tbh. Or disable it altogether too but I find that less fun

[old sluice]

Both. But blue center more on creating hierarchies of servants rather than play on people's psychological weaknesses.

[fossil hollow]

"Welcome to the family. Where we are first"

[old sluice]

Blues are more more political you might say

[snow agate]

blues are the secret kings of the kingdom

[buoyant oar]

The Dragon Princes of Murghôm are all of different types and typically get along.

[fossil hollow]

kingpins

[balmy citrus]

I feel like a Song Dragon would have a hoard of adopted children

[umbral girder]

Silver dragon moment

[snow agate]

one must wonder if the dragon adopts children for their benefit or because it wants to have a positive image

[hushed mason]

My PCs found a bunch of people petrified by a medusa. If they awaken another one, it will be a silver or gold dragon in disguise. 🙂

[balmy citrus]

"I just think they're neat" -The Dragon

[umbral girder]

Copper Dragons too

[fossil hollow]

Hey, the new copper dragon art literally has one babysits all types of dragon wyrmlings

[buoyant oar]

The Gang teaches a silver dragon that slavery is Bad.

[lyric idol]

Copper dragons learning the spell for freezing age just to hoard more wyrmlings lmao

[snow agate]

tbh if i was a powerful dragon or demon lord or big bad guy id probably go around collecting people i thought were neat too

[fossil hollow]

found the brass

or was it bronze or copper

which one of those three metallics literally kidnaps invites bards

[lyric idol]

"Where are all the dragons heading?" "Coppersteins island."

[limber oriole]

Bro discovered colonialism and slavery

[snow agate]

wild

[umbral girder]

In one ear and out the other

[balmy citrus]

Song/Spirit dragons spend most of their lives masquerading as humanoids. In Fact they actually prefer it to their draconic forms on most occasions

[snow agate]

are you really an evil overlord if you dont conquer and enslave people tbh

[fossil hollow]

ok, its copper that are the ones that kidnap bards (?)

[buoyant oar]

The Pereghost says: "Yes actually."

[fossil hollow]

to this day i still cannot differentiate the stereotypical/common specimen of those three metallics. Silver and Gold are the only ones who stand out the most

[snow agate]

i think its because metallics just dont usually come up

[old sluice]

Yeah the other three metallics suffer from an identity problem

[balmy citrus]

This is because they have the good boy side of the allignment. Don't even get me started on the Gems

[old sluice]

One makes jokes, one is a mercenary and one... I don't know. One lives near the sea, one in the desert and one... I don't know.

[fossil hollow]

Oi, gems are neat

[snow agate]

i just pretend everything but metallics and chromatics doesnt exist

[limber oriole]

Gold Dragons are basically Batman

[fossil hollow]

Nah, more martian manhunter

[balmy citrus]

If you're playing in the official setting you kind of can't since they do actually impact it

[fossil hollow]

just amp up the hermit

[snow agate]

bronze are lore hoarders and live in coastal caves, so they're allies of wizards and hermits and druids

[buoyant oar]

Lung Dragons are the best dragons

Because they aren't dragons.

[balmy citrus]

without the weakness to fire

[buoyant oar]

Lung Dragons are Celestials

[balmy citrus]

They have the best design

[old sluice]

Though do remember that the only good dragon is a dead dragon.

[fossil hollow]

still pissed we dont have Lung Dragons introduced in Fizban. Curse you Bahamut, would it kill you to visit the ones in Kara Tur?!

[snow agate]

anything happening in the official setting isnt real unless its mentioned in the module im currently playing, therefore ive never seen them so they dont exist

[umbral girder]

Something I am thinking about is have a Frieza saga like campaign. But for my Frieza-like bbeg I just use a Greatwyrm's stats.

[limber oriole]

This guys never met a copper dragon

[balmy citrus]

That's fair

[buoyant oar]

I think every designer at WotC would pop a vein if Kara-Tur was described in 5e.

[umbral girder]

Plus they would have 3 Transformations

[fossil hollow]

just go to Cormyr, purple and amethyst dragons are more common there

[limber oriole]

The bros of Dragons

[fossil hollow]

cant they at least Neon Kamigawa it

[buoyant oar]

Okay. So like

[snow agate]

brb let me hit up the cormyr module

[limber oriole]

Cormyr is fantastic, my favourite PC was Cormyrian

[buoyant oar]

The dumb Eldenser thing. Right?

That's a trap? Right?

[fossil hollow]

por que

[balmy citrus]

oh wait! it doesn't exist!

They only did Fae'run in the book on the forgotten realms that just came out. C'mon Wotc where is Kara-Tur

It's been reduced to simple references

[limber oriole]

Cormyr is in Faerun

[fossil hollow]

Kara Tur is still in Faerun

[umbral girder]

Nope

Not even close. Thats like saying "America is in Europe"

[fossil hollow]

Eh? Is it not on the East side?

[buoyant oar]

It has to be a trap.

You mean an undead Dragon, possessed a sword. For the leader of Dragon Slaying Knights who fight the cult of the Dragon to spread out of Cormyr to the rest of the world and get out of Cormyr.

An undead dragon has convinced undead dragon hunters that he is the good one.

[balmy citrus]

No it's on another continent. It's in the Forgotten Realms not Fae'run which is a continent

[hushed mason]

Better to say Kara-tur is part of Toril.

[tame estuary]

don't you have like the giant faerun map?

[fossil hollow]

This whole time i thought Kara Tur was just East of THay and shit

[buoyant oar]

Kara-Tur is the Eastern half of the Supercontinent Bharyar.

Faerûn is the Western half. Zakahra is the Southern portion.

[umbral girder]

Of the Planet, not of Faerun

[balmy citrus]

I do!

[fossil hollow]

too many small letters, brain hurts

they all go flying off the page

[balmy citrus]

Dyslexia moment

[old sluice]

Technically it is east of Thay. In the same way that Japan is East of Germany

[buoyant oar]

To get to Kara-Tur travel east of Thay through the plains of Taan until you get to the Quyoya Desert and pass the ruins of the Dragonwall.

[left trail]

Give me your best D&D books to read por favor !!

[fossil hollow]

fair

[balmy citrus]

So Thay is supposed to be Germany

[crimson gulch]

the new forgotten realms books have been a joy

[old sluice]

Kara-Tur is east-asia, Zakhara is the arabic peninsula. Which is also in asia but not east asia.

[snow agate]

ok guys i have a question unrelated to setting

If you're in a dungeon and you're guarding the dungeon, how do you keep the bugs out? do you get pets? what kinda pets? other means?

[balmy citrus]

The new Eberron book is great too

[old sluice]

... You know what, it kind of fits.

[crimson gulch]

it is! could have used more monsters but oh well

[balmy citrus]

I cannot say you're wrong

[fossil hollow]

gelatinous cubes

[old sluice]

Thay has a certain... Holy German Empire thing going on. Except with the Zulkirs replacing the electors

[left trail]

What about Dragonlance? Worth?

[buoyant oar]

If you are south of Thay head to Murghôm and cross Gbor Nor, head into Semphar and brave the Jumpa Gorge and the mountain nations of Kharazari and Ra-Khati.

[fossil hollow]

you dont need more monsters

[snow agate]

i feel like the roaches and flies would just run away from it

[fossil hollow]

invisible to the naked eye

[crimson gulch]

i could slay with just the SRD, but i love these books

[balmy citrus]

Jello to the Black dragons

[hushed mason]

Gelatinous cubes and swarms of centipedes & rats.

[fossil hollow]

question was how you keep bugs out of the dungeon though

[snow agate]

okay that works for hallways, but what about cluttered areas

[old sluice]

Homonculi tasked with cleaning. And yeah Ti may be right, a gelatinous cube is excellent at cleaning and security

[fossil hollow]

Gray oozes

[old sluice]

But maybe not so good at pest control though

[balmy citrus]

Easy. Hire a wizard

[fossil hollow]

they can hide in the walls

[snow agate]

were oozes the true answer all along

[hushed mason]

Fifth level wizard spell: Servant Horde

[old sluice]

While gelatinous cubes are invisible, they have a smell and make noise when they move.

[fossil hollow]

theyre Jubilex's answer to all the pests of the multiverse

[fossil hollow]

i imagine its a very long squeek

[balmy citrus]

Jubilex IS the pest of the multiverse

[snow agate]

while a swarm of rats and centipedes would work i think the tradeoff of having swarms of centipedes and rats is almost worse

[fossil hollow]

No, thats another demon lord. I dont remember whose the lord of flies though

[old sluice]

If you somehow find a way to teach prestidigitation to homonculi, you've got the perfect cleaning system

[fossil hollow]

Jubilex is clean up

[hushed mason]

Baalzebub is Lord of the Flies.

[snow agate]

does it actually kill bugs tho? i think it just cleans

[hushed mason]

Or Beelzebub, as we call him in my campaign.

[fossil hollow]

it cleans the same way it cleans adventurers that it passes through

[balmy citrus]

You need an artificer to summon it first tho

[old sluice]

"Lord of the Flies" in Hebrew is pronounced Baal-Zebub. Belzebuth. Is there a Belzebuth somewhere?

[snow agate]

prestidigitation

[fossil hollow]

I think thats the name of an Archdevil

[buoyant oar]

It is.

[old sluice]

Homonculi are not summoned, they're made. And wizards can make them

[fossil hollow]

it traps and melts them down

[snow agate]

we were talking about the cantrip not the cube.

[fossil hollow]

ive only been talking about the cube??

[snow agate]

i replied to a different person?? talking about the cantrip??

and you replied to that with cube

[balmy citrus]

Artificers can summon them using the new Homunculus Servant spell

[fossil hollow]

oh im blind

[snow agate]

is ok we all are

[glass granite]

Hi blind I’m Nugget

[balmy citrus]

Nah you good it literally came out today

[hushed mason]

I have a rooster named Nugget. He's not blind, though.

[fossil hollow]

nom

[tame estuary]

he can't do math, he can't read, what else can't he do

[fossil hollow]

live and learn

[balmy citrus]

fogot you can't post gifs but I was gonna post a gif of The Nugget Cave

[fossil hollow]

hanging on the edge of tomorrow

[old sluice]

Oh. Well anyways an artificer is still not necessary but they do make them more easily

[balmy citrus]

true.

[tame estuary]

can't artificers make the mechanical wonders?

I thought that replaces homonculus servant

[balmy citrus]

that and warforged depending on the setting

[tame estuary]

I'm speaking mechanics

[balmy citrus]

It doesn't

they can be made but both still exist

[tame estuary]

how interestin

[balmy citrus]

The New Artificer basically removed infusions but made Replicate Magic Item the core class feature

they solved the issue by making the other infusions just magic items

[tame estuary]

yeah I was sure that mechanical wonders being in the last book was meant to replace homonculus servant entirely

I think making it into a spell is very clunky

[balmy citrus]

The Mechanical wonders are a setting specific machine whereas the homonculus is setting agnostic

it's for that reason

Clunky initially but actually very thoughtful in retrospect.

[old sluice]

Now what we need are rules for making golems.

But we also need those rules to make it basically inaccessible for PCs

[potent siren]

Only way for now is the Manual of [Insert Golem}

[balmy citrus]

We don't want the Create Magen + Necromancy Wizard issue again

[hushed mason]

Huh. In 3e, the intructions for making golems are included in the MM, aren't they?

Yup.