dnd-discussion

[fickle heart]

One unfortunate side-effect of trying to make everything equally usable at all points is that the excitement of choosing a specific thing is gone, as everyone else is equally as good as you at the thing you wanted to be the best at.

Wizards can heal, Fighters can cast spells, and the like.

[old sluice]

To be fair, goodberry's effect on nutrition is not that big a deal. It's not hard to find food. Just kill something and eat it

[humble cairn]

But being able to make characters that are unique and different is a good thing that players like, so the issue is something that needs to be hashed out between play groups at a Session 0, which is something that cannot be accounted for in design, or at least not easily. That work, of negotiating what is appropriate for this game is rightfully offloaded to the individual groups rather than something that the designers try to account for at the design level.

[empty thicket]

Nope, that is why the game is in parties too. You need a group and each one of them fill a flaw from the another
A fighter cant cast spells like a wizard
A sorcerer cant survive like Paladin
An artificer cant buff like a Bard.
Understanding that each role have a purpose is important.

[rough basalt]

And thats where i cant really understand, but it might be game experiences

[fickle heart]

Maybe a simple question: Why can't a Fighter cast Wish?

[raw ocean]

Because they don't own a wish ring

[fickle heart]

That's the entire problem simplified to the most basic question I can think of.

[humble cairn]

Sorry, can you specify what the thing you can't understand is?

[rough basalt]

Because they didn't dedicate themselves to casting spells from the getgo, only a few if they go one way

[fickle heart]

Yeah, but why don't they get to cast it anyways?

[rough basalt]

Not being excited at being allowed to be a PC

[rough basalt]

Because they're not wizards, bards, sorcerer's, cleric on occasion or a specific warlock

[humble cairn]

Apologies again, can you walk me through this like I'm five? Where was it said that someone was not excited to be a PC?

[fickle heart]

That just says that they aren't something else. Why can't they cast Wish directly, regardless of not being those other things?

[empty thicket]

Few dms get picky with that things honestly. Feeding, drinking water and who know what else stuff.
Others might add the eating like an extra layer and making some Meals//drinks//etc. have a real effect beside just nutrition.
I remember seeing a book with drinks and foods and i liked it

[rough basalt]

In my experience with 2014, a lot of pcs were basically npcs compared to other pcs due to relevancy and their ability to affect the game so the power level being moreso flattened has led to less npcing by design for me

[fickle heart]

Why doesn't everyone get every class feature and every spell, for example?

[rough basalt]

Cause they dont

[fickle heart]

But why not? There's a reason.

That reason is the fundamental consideration of this entire conversation.

[empty thicket]

Because they cant do everything, everyone have a limit.
Having a Do everything character is boring too.

[gray mortar]

Okay, small question while I'm watching this argument, is the debate rather or not should fighters use magical items?

Otherwise, I'm keeping up.

[old sluice]

OK people it's simple

[humble cairn]

Hmm ... okay, so I think you're saying that the 2024 changes made more player choices more relevant to more situations in most games?

[fickle heart]

This is getting very warm, yes.

[old sluice]

D&D is a team game. That is how the game functions.

[rough basalt]

Then everyone is a gary stu or mary sue or whatever the neutral equivalent is

No one has any unique factors

[old sluice]

Team games require each teammate to have a specialty. And other teammates to be incapable of intruding on that specialty

[fickle heart]

Closer, but not yet there. This is assuming that you want to solely avoid stuff, but not that you want to enable something else.

[rough basalt]

Thats how i feel, I feel like im able to play any class i want without really becoming an npc

[humble cairn]

No, it's a high level conceptual discussion about how player choices are designed and the spectrum between Uniqueness vs Effectiveness.

[fickle heart]

The specific term for what I'm talking about in its entirety is called "niche protection".

[rough basalt]

then nothing matters?

[gray mortar]

Okay kay, I guess I got a little stuck on the wish question and the ring of wishes

[raw ocean]

That's D&D and reality

[rough basalt]

No, theres a lot that matter in both to a lot of people

[fickle heart]

It's that people are driven by wanting to be different and doing something that others can't do.

[rough basalt]

I just dont wanna be an npc

[empty thicket]

Being "original" its... too hard honestly and problematic, better embrace an concept and enjoy it

[raw ocean]

Doesn't that just get filled by roleplay and personalities, that's something unique every PC can have that no one can copy

[knotty pasture]

What differs a pc from a npc anyways

[raw ocean]

You can't copy someone's backstory to have the same connections to [insert random clan]

[gray mortar]

Class levels.

[fickle heart]

You don't need to be, but jumping to this assumption so quickly gives the impression that learning some design fundamentals would be beneficial.

[humble cairn]

Niche protection is good, it makes players feel unique in their choices. Any level of niche protection leads to there being the possibility that there is a game for which the character will not be the most appropriate.

[raw ocean]

[You can but, very looked down upon]

[knotty pasture]

Outside of the fact that pcs have a power progression, you can customize their backstories and roleplay, and more importantly you're controlling this very character

[rough basalt]

In my case "npc" is other players at the table matter more than I and I exist solely to pass checks they need me to, cause they're good at everything else

[odd pike]

Roleplaying is my favourite part of dnd

[empty thicket]

Same

[knotty pasture]

Isn't this just a table dynamic issue instead of a player issue

[humble cairn]

Again: Any level of uniqueness to character inherently leads to the possibility that any individual character may not be appropriate to a specific game.

[fickle heart]

It is an immutable law, aye.

[rough basalt]

maybe but its something ive experienced at several tables

[raw ocean]

Yeah, you can have any class you want but your character is what makes the niche

You can be a strong barbarian but does your character enjoy doing feats of strength?

[knotty pasture]

The only classes where I feel like it actually stands out are martial classes like Fighter and Barb

[rough basalt]

Wizards, Clerics and Paladins would usually get more focus ime

[knotty pasture]

Cuz in 2014 they have no utility beyond punching stuff

[humble cairn]

This should not be viewed as a problem, this is just how things work.

[rough basalt]

Where as anything else usually got memed on or just relied on for what checks theyre good at

[knotty pasture]

But that's just the class themselves and most other classes have built in utility

[odd pike]

Sometime when I am acting a morally grey or evil character it very hard to stay in character. Mostly because my mind keep trying to be myself, but I need to be the character

[fickle heart]

I think this is also where it's worthwhile separating individual experiences from the overarching principles of design.

Especially because that shift in focus can even occur from biases at the table level, entirely unrelated to the game itself.

[empty thicket]

More when i use the dice and have to interpenetrate some situations.
Failing a Deception? stutter while explaining the thing and look nervous.
Seduction won but still want to make it fun? Do something cute and gain the hearth of that person, creature...machine(?)
More if you add some layers like Luck, You got a bad roll, used lucky and got a perfect one? Explain it how you failed it and then suddenly some snowball of events make it be perfect for you

[knotty pasture]

There's utility spells but no utility martial actions per se, wisdom checks are important, being a face is all too important

[rough basalt]

Perhaps but with 2024 im just not seeing these issues on the same level

[knotty pasture]

Which goes back to this really

[old sluice]

Being a face is really not that important outside of heist games

[raw ocean]

I think the core point is that character uniqueness doesn’t come only from mechanics — it comes from how a player roleplays, their backstory, their choices, and how they engage with the table. Design sets the framework, but characters make the niche.

[humble cairn]

Was this an issue of your character not getting screen time?

[gray mortar]

Could it also be a player's ability to roleplay, forge a story outside the bare stuff, and chemistry with the DM?

[fickle heart]

That can be because your table's biases have shifted, for sure. I'm also not saying that 5.24 is bad, I'm saying that the design is comparatively not as good at niche protection.

[knotty pasture]

This is why bg3 is cool, you can choose whoever you want to focus on

[rough basalt]

Pretty much if i tried anything someone would interject and take over and they had right of way since they're wizards

[knotty pasture]

I had my Barb do all the talking (a bad idea)

[humble cairn]

Okay so this does not sound like something to be addressed at the design level, to me?

[empty thicket]

Yeah, not everyone is good doing some "performances". Giving some lil help to those shy players and some confident is good tho

[rough basalt]

No but making the design better softens the blow which it has

It's less mental anguish and more just sigh

[humble cairn]

Well I'm glad that you're having a better time with the updates to 5E.

[fickle heart]

The tricky part is that design rarely is inherently better or worse, as it being better for one person can make it worse for another.

[gray mortar]

Granted, it is poor table manners to talk over others.

[raw ocean]

Yep.

[humble cairn]

I can say that I truly like the changes to 5E in 2024 and view them as a net positive, but I can also acknowledge that some of the complaints about certain choices having lost flavor have merit.

[fickle heart]

For example, I find that 5.24 is great functionally, but very unexciting with its actual mechanical expressions, because so much stuff does very similar things.

[rough basalt]

Then ig the answer is pathfinder fixes this

[empty thicket]

True, if you heard someone is talking and you interrupt him. Have manners, shut and let him go in his talk.
Now if someone talk over you, dont be shy and remind him that you were talking and no one can understand if there is 2 or more voices at the same time

[fickle heart]

Pathfinder doesn't fix it, though, because it's not actually fixable.

[raw ocean]

I usually only talk over someone if we begin speaking at the same time

[old sluice]

Can we stop with the "Pathfinder fixes this" meme?

[fossil hollow]

*stares at the two convos going on *
what did i miss while making maps

[humble cairn]

It's not a problem that can be fixed, because the issue is like pizza toppings. It all depends on your taste for how much of any one thing you like.

[raw ocean]

But a lot of people subconsciously speak over others without even noticing it.

[empty thicket]

still would add in case if you are in voice chat in discord. In the soundboard a hit table sound just for teh jajas and some others.

[rough basalt]

Right and I think that cheese pizza that you can add toppings on your own is better than a specific pizza only for one when marketing towards a group of people

[raw ocean]

I do become unreasonably angry when someone repeatedly cuts me off then acts like im the problem.

[fickle heart]

Sure, but in this example, we don't have toppings either.

[humble cairn]

And other people might prefer a boutique pizzeria that tries to make every slice different.

[gray mortar]

Reminds me of the fact apple pie is the most popular, but rarely is it everyone's favorite.

[old sluice]

While I do agree that Pathfinder and D&D are functionally the same, and the differences between the two are nuances, saying that a problem in D&D is "fixed" in Pathfinder cheapens Pathfinder. It is more than some cynical attempt to fix D&D

[gray mortar]

It's just what we can agree to buy.

[humble cairn]

Oh gosh, thanks for reminding me that I have an apple pastry in the fridge!

[fickle heart]

The "toppings" might just be homebrew, which means that I'm largely just making my own pizza and the only thing I'm using is the premade crust.

[gray mortar]

Great, now I'm hungry.

[empty thicket]

I want to make some tiramisu...maybe add it a layer of ganache of chocolate

[minor cargo]

(Every time we use a food analogy to describe D&D, an angel gets its wings.)

[empty thicket]

God why i choose Keen mind over chef...

[rough basalt]

alright so the consensus is
I like general design that allows for players to be relevant even when taking a backseat.
Yall want specific design where the relevance is completely campaign dependent, but you do agree that players should have competent tools for that campaign?

[fickle heart]

I think that a mixture is needed.

[umbral girder]

I wonder what kind of wings. Maybe buffalo wings. /jk

[hot marlin]

Can't sleep. Did I miss an alignment conversation?

[minor cargo]

Would you say it needs to strike a…
…balance?

[gray mortar]

No, design conversation

[hot marlin]

Damn.

[fickle heart]

I also would clarify that something being entirely campaign dependent is not what I've been getting at.

[raw ocean]

I thought it was a class balance conversation

[humble cairn]

I never stated a want, tbf

[gray mortar]

If I understand so far, issue with some builds not being as great as others. And not enough attention being shared around a table.

[umbral girder]

Technically the balance of the Planescape is based on alignment

[empty thicket]

mmmm... making a campaign with lot of like, "limits" and using them would be nice

[fickle heart]

My type of response to this being what you understand of my statements is sort of similar to me saying that you don't want classes and you want everyone to have the same character sheet.

[gray mortar]

It would be a cool challenge of sorts if everyone was forced to use the same class.

[humble cairn]

Ooh, ooh! Me! I don't want classes!

[gray mortar]

If, folks agree to that, of course. I'm not one to restrict creativity.

[rough basalt]

So what then? Every class should have say half their subs be generally relevant with a few being niche and one being campaign specific, but the tools given must be competent so that getting to fulfill that niche is satisfying

[empty thicket]

Like, There is no more dragons in a world but then out of nowhere (one of your players) is a dragonborn or some of the party have dragon features and they need to find what happened to the dragons and why they are like that.

[gray mortar]

Oh that's easy! Lizard people exist.

[empty thicket]

Same with magic users if you want

[raw ocean]

What if, everyone just played what they like and respected other players urgency and characters?

[rough basalt]

Bold move

[humble cairn]

Pretty sure the point is that there is no one perfect answer to this question.

[fickle heart]

Certain options should work better in certain styles of campaigns, not because those options are inherently made for those campaigns but because they use a function of the game and them being better in certain campaigns is a side-effect. Hence, trying to avoid certain options being better in certain styles of campaigns results in extremely flat design and a much more boring game.

[empty thicket]

A kobold lizard that is a sorcerer and think is a dragon would be cute

[gray mortar]

That's assumed, but it dosen't make for a fun conversation.

[empty thicket]

"Yay, im the mighty dragon of the east!!" with a cute voice and stuff like that

[gray mortar]

See, just a little sprinkle of seasoning, and anything can make sense.

[rough basalt]

Like how Horizon walker may as well not exist in a campaign where planar portals dont happen but in a game during a planar crisis theyre basically god

[gray mortar]

Sounds like the perfect subclass for the game.

You could even have an Oath of Watcher Paladins since they also deal with planar forces.

[empty thicket]

but my point is, making a campaign with limits and using them for lore//development//etc. Is something that need work on it and would be nice to see

[humble cairn]

"May as well not exist" is maybe an exaggeration, but is also a legitimate choice, on a campaign per campaign basis.

[fickle heart]

I mean, it can very much exist in a campaign outside of that, as its flavor is driven not by working in that campaign but by its actual inspiration.

[rough basalt]

It just means that one feature wont be used

[empty thicket]

Almost same with some subclasses and stuff

[fickle heart]

Which can happen even to stuff you wouldn't expect.

[humble cairn]

And that's not the same thing as "may as well not exist."

[rough basalt]

And thats my issue

[gray mortar]

Ohhh... Okay, now I understand you better. Turns out a DM wanted a no magic campaign, but didn't tell me! Was upset at me for rolling with a cleric, and I'm like 'Dude, just say no magic.'

[fickle heart]

The problem is that your issue is only solvable by policing how people play.

[rough basalt]

I can't get excited for a levelup if that levelup comes with useless baggage

[humble cairn]

Communication is key.

[hot marlin]

"No magic campaign" is code for "Not a D&D game"

[fickle heart]

(Definitely don't play PF2e, then.)

[hot marlin]

Seriously, there are other games. Play those.

[umbral girder]

It’s one out of 3 features they get at level 3

[odd pike]

What is dnd without magic ?

[rough basalt]

yeah but i dont like getting stuff i wont use

[raw ocean]

Stabbing mutated animals

[hot marlin]

Wait what sort of "useless baggage"? Sorry I'm trying to follow

[gray mortar]

Apprently we were bringing back magic, but that's neither here or there.

[empty thicket]

Kinda, it can be many things honestly, like even making some spells being forbidden and if you use them there is consequences.
A non magic world that got struck suddenly by magic and then there is a big chaos because no one know how to control the magic, the creatures mutating and more stuff.

[fickle heart]

The thing is, whether you use it or not is something you know, but the designers can't know.

[rough basalt]

I dont like it when something i should be excited about (a level up) has some baggage attached that cant be used

[odd pike]

Homebrew a cat

[empty thicket]

It always depend of how deep and how the group//DM make the story go

[rough basalt]

Kinda like how id basically act like 2014 countercharm didnt exist

[hot marlin]

Yes that is what you said but what sort of useless baggage?

[umbral girder]

How dare the tool box come with an extra niche tool? /jk

[hot marlin]

You're saying things that sound very vague to me

[rough basalt]

Cause it was just not worth the hassle for such little reward

[gray mortar]

I used the 2014 countercharm a couple of times as a bard, so it sort of fits the theme.

[minor cargo]

Dropping out but thanks for this conversation!

I think it’s actually pretty rad when we dive deep into not just what we talk about but how we talk about it. I think it’s good for the community, even if it takes a lot of energy and space. ✌🏼

[gray mortar]

I mean, theme of folks using things and not using things. And perhaps you kinda just go 'oh, crap, I got the thing!'

Which is why we shoot the monks.

[humble cairn]

Ok so like .. if a DM specifically said they were running a no-combat campaign of Witchlight with 2014 rules you would be upset that Fighter only really gets combat stuff?

[gray mortar]

Because if you shoot monks, they can use their ability to deflect the bolt and feel really great.

[rough basalt]

Yeah, but only if the fact we were running Witchlight was dropped on us rather than what we signed up for

[empty thicket]

"im going to use countercharm in that couple that is in the corner of the tavern, they love acts are getting annoying", most possibly me if i play a kinda grumpy character.

[humble cairn]

So you agree that negotiating what is going to be relevant for a campaign is rightfully the prerogative of the individual play group, rather than the game designer?

[gray mortar]

I'm stealing that.

[rough basalt]

Yes, I also think the tools the designer makes should also be competent too

[fickle heart]

I think that one needs to assess what "competent" means to them.

[rough basalt]

I think some 2014 character options didnt work competently

[gray mortar]

And once more, the 'A session 0 would of prevented this problem' has come back to haunt us.

[fickle heart]

I could very easily say that a lot of 5.24 stuff (primarily subclasses) isn't competent to me, because it doesn't meet my standards.

[empty thicket]

Adapt it in some way, The fighter is in a negotiation with some character and in a persuasion got failed? use action surge for try again and maybe get it this time.
Make action surge being able to be used for some extra stuff, the second wind too. Etc. etc.

[humble cairn]

Someone very wise once said, "Communication is key." 😉

[hot marlin]

Everything is so... Vague. I'm having a lot of trouble following this conversation.

[empty thicket]

Almost same

[gray mortar]

The design of a tool vs the usage of a tool.

[rough basalt]

And i think a lot of '14 isn't competent cause it shouldnt be flavor over its actual use

[radiant mango]

Hi! New to the group but I love dungeons and dragons. I just wanted to share my thoughts on the new version of 5e. It looks alright but I miss the support for more sandbox style of play for dms like me.

[fossil hollow]

yeah, sorry Sora, but im not really seeing much from your side but opinions and "I thinks"

[rough basalt]

Like im sorry, Undying Warlock getting immunity to hunger, hydration and sleep as a level 10 feature is not good

[fickle heart]

I think it's also worthwhile to not use the low-hanging fruits.

[hot marlin]

I wouldn't have a problem with that if I could understand what those opinions actually are

[fossil hollow]

that too

[rough basalt]

Except it is the low-hanging fruits that led to a lot of the complaints that led to the revisions

[fickle heart]

Are you sure of this?

[empty thicket]

Making a chef Warlock that use a magic pot for cast some spells and his patron is like a god of gluttony that want him to give food to people so they feast. And some invocations ingredients change to food ingredients.

[gray mortar]

If you use a fire genasi, you can summon a flame chefs knife whenever

[rough basalt]

I mean im not gonna ignore that people had been calling Undying atrocious for years

[fickle heart]

Which is fair, but you are claiming that low-hanging fruits lead to the complaints that caused 5.24, so you should be able to find some sort of evidence, no?

[knotty pasture]

Undying's one of the few exceptions where it just sucks so badly right?

[empty thicket]

im thinking in some sort of flavored class but cant find which one.

[rough basalt]

Yeah even in an undead heavy campaign its just passable to semi-decent

[knotty pasture]

There's the Undead patron right there so we could just pretend Undying doesn't exist

[rough basalt]

I mean thats why they made Undead i think

[humble cairn]

Not, really. They're still really playable and fine.

[rough basalt]

they couldve reworked undying instead for van richten

[fickle heart]

To be clear, I'm actually not disagreeing that I prefer 5.24 over 5.14, but I think that the argument is being vaguely presented in such a way that there's no actually actionable or verifiable topics.

[empty thicket]

A whole party that are chefs that search special ingredients and giga rare stuff for cooking in their restaurant and then they end up facing some monster for their meats, ingredients, etc.

[fickle heart]

If this whole thing could be summed up with "I prefer 5.24 over 5.14", I think that's totally valid.

[empty thicket]

mmmmmm.............

[humble cairn]

5E honestly didn't have anything that was so broken that it was unplayable.

[rough basalt]

Yes I do prefer it cause I very rarely had fun with '14

[knotty pasture]

I prefer 2014 over 2024 🫡

[rough basalt]

I always felt pressured into what was "strong enough"

[knotty pasture]

Until 2024 gets as much content of its own as 2014 without porting at least

[rough basalt]

cause a lot wasn't good enough or even relevant to matter in the games i was in

[humble cairn]

Yeah I get that. Groups be sweaty sometimes.

[fickle heart]

This seems significantly more like a group issue and I'd separate this from it being a system thing.

[fossil hollow]

yeah, not sure if i can follow this convo now, and this time its not becase of tamms 😭

[gray mortar]

Tamms do be using big words sometimes

[knotty pasture]

A vent channel for terrible tables would do wonders in this server

[rough basalt]

Yeah, but group aside i think every class should be good on like a general level

[fossil hollow]

when is the in-depth channel too mods 😔

[humble cairn]

Something I appreciate.

[raw ocean]

I would like that

[fickle heart]

I would agree with this.

[hot marlin]

So have you noticed how sometimes you perceive a PC very differently from how the player intends?

[raw ocean]

Like tales from the table but the dark side of D&D

[empty thicket]

would be full of "my dm dont let me do X" in less of 20 minutes.

[humble cairn]

Oof, I feel like a vent channel would just be a cesspool of negativity.

[rough basalt]

Like I feel like Innate Sorcery was a great addition cause 2014 sorc felt like just Wizard with only a handful of spells and some custom mod menu on those spells

[knotty pasture]

Whatever that diverts away from using disguised complaints about a system as a vent I suppose

[fickle heart]

What I disagree with is the false dilemma that something can either be good or flavorful/unique, and that being one disqualifies the other. I disagree with this, because I like to make homebrew content.

[raw ocean]

Well, that's the whole point of a vent channel, all the negativity goes there and the good stuff comes here

[rough basalt]

and those metamagic some options were just starkly better than others

[knotty pasture]

A channel where we can be upfront is a good thing

[hot marlin]

In a game I was in, the player intended his character as a fun, dumb barbarian. I perceived it as a dangerous, impulsive, sadistic man-child who had to be eliminated for the good of everyone else. It's a bit jarring when I think about this disconnect

[raw ocean]

But that's a personal opinion from me, probably won't ever happen anyways

[gray mortar]

Yea, I was gunning for a heroic, brave character once... but now I think everyone finds him a tryhard that consumes attention.

[empty thicket]

My party last session killed a giant octopus, i hope my Dm let me cook it and get something out of it.
X temporal hits for each portion of tentacle so when its my turn the enemy see me munch each time a piece of it until the point i offer him a bite

[hot marlin]

When that character died, I just thought "I think my character should argue that we should not resurrect him and burn his body"

[rough basalt]

My viewpoint is the ideal scenario is features with flavor, rather than flavor as feature

which is why i like ranger mechanically but i agree that its flavor was sucked dry

[empty thicket]

Welp, in theory you can deny a revivify or any revive. Dont making it use the ingredients of such spells.
Making it into a nice scene would add extra points

[hot marlin]

I mean the character of that other PC

[fossil hollow]

yeah, but the person being targetted has to deny

[fickle heart]

I think that the best features come from flavorful origins, and that the primary cause of the lose-lose situation 5e is in comes from people wanting all options to work equally well in different campaigns.

Does stuff need to be hyperspecific? Nah.

[empty thicket]

Revives No thanks, im good dead. Go back to dead and the diamond just pop out of him with a small fart sound

[gray mortar]

It's also nice to work with your DM to make some changes that fits the campaign better. Which is something I often do.

I mentioned I was going to duel class sorcery for the wild table, and they just gave it to me because they agree that it fit the character.

[fickle heart]

Is Druid useful in a campaign where you may get good usage out of talking to animals a lot? Definitely.

[raw ocean]

Bear.

[fickle heart]

Because Druid is useful in that regard, should it lose being able to talk to animals? Nope, that's the part I disagree with.

[hot marlin]

What I mean was that when the idiot barbarian died, I hesitated. I thought my character should argue that we should not resurrect the barbarian and treat his death as a blessing.

[versed sequoia]

finding a group is so hard 😭

[raw ocean]

Hey come join my campaign where I will cancel it in 2 sessions because my great grandfather died of old age!

[empty thicket]

Yeah, but its worth taking time and being patient.

[knotty pasture]

Embrace bg3

[gray mortar]

Always remember to maintain your standards! You'll find your perfect match one day.

[fickle heart]

If anything, we could cut about 75% of the spells in the game if we were looking for only options that were generically useful.

[gray mortar]

Why does the advise to find a table sound exactly the same to finding love?

[versed sequoia]

kk. Im just new lol
never played before 0-0

[knotty pasture]

Because dnd is really not that different from finding jobs and swiping on tinder

[raw ocean]

The thing I hate most is finding a campaign I like then seeing a google application for it, I understand but no way im getting in

[steep moon]

sameee

[umbral girder]

That’s why Wizard is so good, they can get a ton of niche spells

[gray mortar]

Aigh't, when the last time somebody used the, check notes, Warding Bond spell?

[raw ocean]

Then they take 2 days to respond and say you diden't make it

[fossil hollow]

because it is the same way to find (a table you) love

[fossil hollow]

the fighter and cleric in my sunday game used it a lot. ended up with those two taking the most damage because both of them were pretty reckless

[knotty pasture]

I used warding bond when a magical shield had a built in warding bond spell once per long rest

[fickle heart]

I'm very role-pilled when it comes to design, though, so everyone having their niche is super important to me.

[hot marlin]

Well that spell is just bad

[raw ocean]

I think every class has a role, but ranger

[knotty pasture]

Doubly weird when I gave it to my Warlock who casted it on my Sorcerer

[raw ocean]

I don't know why but I personally just find ranger to be the most, yknow class

[gray mortar]

Ranger are skill monkeys but in nature.

[knotty pasture]

At least they're sharing their damage at the back

[fossil hollow]

... can it be cast on an unwilling creature

[gray mortar]

I find Warding Bond is most useful when cast upon a buffing Cleric with high ac

[raw ocean]

Any spell caster does that too though?

[rough basalt]

I just dont wanna be an npc again

[gray mortar]

Used that spell on a Barbarian once as a Paladin, and that was a MISTAKE

[tacit cloud]

Hey guys. Is there a place I can get info on D&D gaming group servers? Looking for a new forever-home for D&D games.

[humble cairn]

Was the intention for this character not discussed in Session 0?

[knotty pasture]

Well yeah but buffing the Sorc is the best call here, my other team members were a Barb and Rogue

[fossil hollow]

how much did you end up taking

[gray mortar]

Nearly died died because the spell is still active if the caster goes down

[raw ocean]

And just play lore bard if you want to be a skill monkey

[tacit cloud]

Would it be ok to post here, looking for a server?

[fossil hollow]

lmao, that sucks

[knotty pasture]

I don't want the Warlock to kick the bucket early from sharing his damage with the frontliners

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[umbral girder]

Notably with Warding Bond it’s still the same amount of damage done overall, it’s mainly the AC and Saving Throw bonus

[gray mortar]

All that damage, I was so tempted to just run 60 feet away because I knew another hit and I'd be dead.

[hot marlin]

In hindsight perhaps the first red flag of that game was that we had no proper session 0

[tall rapids]

What is better, glamour or moon bard

[tacit cloud]

I'll give it a try. Thank you.

[hot marlin]

I left that game don't worry. It was hell.

[humble cairn]

Because when I made a character that was intended to be unlikable in character, but funny for the other players I definitely discussed it with the group beforehand.

[fossil hollow]

fiend

[gray mortar]

That's nice to hear Incubus

[humble cairn]

Oof, yeah.

[rough basalt]

I will say that when everyone is useful it makes toestepping a minefield

[humble cairn]

Characters with some deficiencies are generally more interesting anyway.

[umbral girder]

So just don’t bother

[raw ocean]

I love doing my unique thing! "Actually I can do that better, so you should let me do it!"

[umbral girder]

Good to double down as a back up if one fails

[rough basalt]

I tried to be a character that wouldnt step on toes at all and i was just miserable

[raw ocean]

Any combat scenario ever with a power player

[fossil hollow]

thankfully, i dont think i ever had a power player

[gray mortar]

Have you considered taking turns doing similar things?

[raw ocean]

I have played with one.

[rough basalt]

I like feeling powerful

[glass granite]

I like donuts

[gray mortar]

Like, I was in a sisuation where somebody had the exact same class and subclass as me, I just went 'Aigh't, wanna just focus on different things?'

[marble lion]

I actually see that spell used more than most

[rough basalt]

But I dont try and minmax always

[raw ocean]

I hate donuts ** - Evil Donut Hater Guy**

[fossil hollow]

jellyfilled?

[fickle heart]

That's why I like discrete roles, aye.

[rough basalt]

I sometimes do for one shots cause its fun

[glass granite]

Any and all

[fossil hollow]

call me basic, but sugar glazed is yummy

[glass granite]

Hello basic, I’m Nugget

[raw ocean]

Call me basic, but I will genuinlly kill for a boston cream

[hot marlin]

You see that player didn't really have a sense of comedy to speak of. It relied on random actions, references, or just the occasional reminder that sex exists. Or puns. I think it's because he wants to believe he is someone who can be funny desperately, but is incapable of the actual things comedy requires. Tone, situation, punchline...

[glass granite]

Oh your name’s basic too?

[fossil hollow]

insert montage of throwing eggs at a giant mess of food

[raw ocean]

We are actually apart of a hive mind, would you like to join?

[fossil hollow]

oh... i remember him now

[rough basalt]

Like next pc i wanna play is a control wizard whose good at knowledge skills so i do like being in specific roles

[humble cairn]

oof

[hot marlin]

You may remember a story or two

[rough basalt]

I just want that role to matter

[fickle heart]

...Imos?

[glass granite]

Can’t, I made a pact that stops me from doing so

[raw ocean]

Oh I see, guess ill go start a cult in the kingdom again!

[rough basalt]

tho with a control wizard itd matter no matter the ruleset

[fossil hollow]

sorry, again?

this isnt the first rodeo??

[humble cairn]

Adamos "you may address me as Your Radiance"

[tacit cloud]

How do I make a post describing what kind of community I'm looking for? I only see the bot letting me post as if I have a community I want to advertise, which is opposite of what Im looking for.

[fickle heart]

And it mostly matters because others can't be as good as you at that, generally, no?

[raw ocean]

Try r/LFG, you can specifically find stuff like that on there

[tacit cloud]

Is that reddit?

[rough basalt]

Kinda. Bards are great control mages but Wizards get some of the best

[knotty pasture]

Are you two mind flayers now, should I call the githyanki

[fossil hollow]

oh, you probably want to look through the community posts until something catches your eye or post in #looking-for-community

[raw ocean]

Yes

[gray mortar]

I have the sudden urge to go game hunting again soon, I kinda miss having a dedicated campaign. But I really should wait for Janurary when folks aren't having winter season celebrations

[fossil hollow]

i loved adamos

[raw ocean]

Guys, we should all team up and kidnap a DM

[rough basalt]

I just wanna play a wizard again tbh

its been 3 years

[tacit cloud]

It says I dont have permission to post there. I see the thread looks like it has a bot for people looking to post their own communities

[humble cairn]

Me too!

[raw ocean]

If I was rich, I would hire a full time DM that just does DM stuff and preps until I want to play in a campaign

And keep the DM in a little dungeon room I made

[rough basalt]

uh

[humble cairn]

That's ...

[raw ocean]

Kind of like how kings paid artists to live on their grounds and paint for them

[knotty pasture]

That sounds like ghaik behavior

[humble cairn]

Patronage

[rough basalt]

uh

[knotty pasture]

Let's attack the ghaik, istiks

[raw ocean]

Im not gonna force someone to DM for me, do I sound like a mind flayer?

[humble cairn]

That's called Patronage

[umbral girder]

Yep

[raw ocean]

I would become an IRL patron for DM's and players

[gray mortar]

It's a very popular website called Patron where you can fuel folk's hobbies

[rough basalt]

Anyways Tamms and Ophid, sorry for being hostile

[humble cairn]

And it's not as creepy as you made it sound at first.

[hot marlin]

His "jokes" involve:

1. Making advances to a gargoyle in a way meant to be outrageous as an attempt at gross-out humour that just doesn't work. But it just ended up being jarring due to the fact that nobody would take off their pants in a dungeon.
2. Using the severed hand of an ancestor of my character as a weapon because my character getting outraged is funny
3. Lacking any ability to distinguish from in-game to out-of-game and treating the things I said as though my character said them for the joke...

[hardy tinsel]

Hellooooo

[hot marlin]

Oh conversation moved on. My bad

[knotty pasture]

Could it be that this person has an intelligence of 8 and a wisdom of 8 too

[raw ocean]

Wait, isn't it normal for rich people to like hire full-time workers like butlers

Sorry if I came off as psychopathic

[rough basalt]

I just wanna have more fun with dnd, I still feel like ive mostly had anxiety from it

[gray mortar]

Nah nah, it's fine. There's multiple conversations at once

[humble cairn]

"Keep them in a dungeon" sounded .. bad, friend.

[raw ocean]

"Little Dungeon Room", like a room themed like a dungeon

[gray mortar]

Why not just ask your DM to make a new character?

[raw ocean]

Like you know how some DM's have a man cave that's made to look like a tavern

[rough basalt]

I did and i did but I don't really wanna play it either

[humble cairn]

Definitely a problem player.

[rough basalt]

Like rn what i wanna play the most is a wizard

[humble cairn]

Well I know that now.

[rough basalt]

But my options are Druid, Ranger or Cleric

[raw ocean]

Looks like im going to have to send you to the "Understood text in a reasonable way that's different from the main way" room

[bronze wave]

Why can’t you play one

[rough basalt]

cause we have one

[umbral girder]

Why not play one?

[humble cairn]

All classes which actually can be very good at knowing stuff in their purview, actually. If you play 2024.

[humble cairn]

Is this a table rule?

[umbral girder]

And? Just make a different wizard.

[fair plinth]

Im playing a warlock and i was expecting a lot of damaging spells, but there actually isnt a lot of those on the 2014 spell list. What do warlocks excel in combat wise?

[rough basalt]

Wouldnt that be stomping on others feet

[umbral girder]

No?

[humble cairn]

No?

[fickle heart]

Depends on the Wizard, as they are pretty generic.

[rough basalt]

Like i do know wizards are like the build a bear of fullcasters, similar to fighters

cause of how large their spell list is and how functionally different subs are

[umbral girder]

Just build something different from the other wizard. Now it’s fine.

[humble cairn]

Over time, two wizards in a party will generally converge, mostly because they start doing the smart thing an swapping spells.

[umbral girder]

Yep

[humble cairn]

But that doesn't mean you will be stepping on each other's toes, just do the teamwork thing and talk it out.

[rough basalt]

Right, talking, the CR30 monster

[humble cairn]

Concentration means it's great to have two wizards able to cast different spells.

[raw ocean]

One of my DM's allowed homebrew combo attacks that party members could do [sacrificing both turns to do it], really encouraged teamwork

[humble cairn]

Damage and Control, generally.

[umbral girder]

Also good to double up on save and suck spells

Because what if the bad guy saves? A good old try again moment can help.

[knotty pasture]

My Warlock did a bit of everything iirc, was a Fiend Warlock

[rough basalt]

and considering i either wanna play a Bladesinger or Diviner, both are pretty different from the other wizard

[red steppe]

Where

[knotty pasture]

Fireball and Wall of Fire, summoning Beholders, Haste, Eldritch Blasting people

[gray mortar]

Even with a party full of wizards, each one could still stand to their own merits.

[knotty pasture]

Hunger of Hadar to combo with the Sorc's Wall of Fire

[red steppe]

Web, Hypnotic Pattern then Synaptic Static

[knotty pasture]

Web wasn't used but the latter yes

[humble cairn]

So why not do that? Is it a table rule that prevents you or are you restricting yourself?

[rough basalt]

Its a me thing, I'm afraid of toestepping

[bronze wave]

Wizard is like the most versatile class in the game

If someone is offended by a class pick you do NOT want to be in that game

[gray mortar]

That or Cleric, now there's a TON you can design a cleric with.

[knotty pasture]

Its not really toestepping, there's plenty of utility spells so you can share those spell slots

[rough basalt]

Cause I know some people will get very angry if there's another person of the same class

[bronze wave]

Cleric snoozer

[humble cairn]

Well stop that, and play the Wizard and just make them different from the other character.

[gray mortar]

Now now, cleric isn't my favourite class, I'm just saying there's a ton of deities and domains to work with

[knotty pasture]

Or just multiclass

[humble cairn]

Is there someone like that in your group?

[rough basalt]

I play a lot of clerics, i just dont wanna play one rn

[knotty pasture]

Arcane Trickster Rogue + Bladesinger Wizard

[gray mortar]

Oh sorry, that wasn't meant for you

[rough basalt]

i dont believe so, so im asking the wizard whenever he gets back to me

[raw ocean]

My bard has 6 wall spells

[humble cairn]

You could just ask the whole group, too.

[gray mortar]

What's he doing? Building a house? slaps knee

[knotty pasture]

Sounds like your Bard is the type to make a concert stage in the middle of a dungeon to sing karaoke

[raw ocean]

Trapping his enemies and suffocating them until they beg for mercy.

[knotty pasture]

Sure that too

[gray mortar]

Mercy? In my good DnD game? Nonsense!

[rough basalt]

I dont think im capable of that

[knotty pasture]

I knew everyone is a Bhaalist deep down

[raw ocean]

My favorite is using wall of gloom and stacking blade barrier on it, then running back and through it to rage bait

[humble cairn]

Don't have the permissions to message everyone?

[red steppe]

Mercy? Is that a subclass

[rough basalt]

No mentally

[humble cairn]

Communication is key.

[gray mortar]

Funny enough, I think it's a Monk subclass. Way of Mercy... There's also the Oath of ... What's that word again?

[umbral girder]

Hard to play a communication game without communicating

[humble cairn]

Redemption?

[knotty pasture]

Something something social anxiety perhaps, insecurity?

[rough basalt]

getting virtually stared down for not staying in what you chose

[knotty pasture]

That's the vibes I'm getting

[gray mortar]

No no, there's no such things for enemies...

That OR mercy...

[rough basalt]

ive had games end cause people switched characters and i dont wanna cause that

[humble cairn]

But it didn't sound like you had chosen a class yet.

[rough basalt]

its an already started game so im making a new character

[gray mortar]

You know, you should be careful, because I had a DM nuke a game before because of such thoughts.

So scared to cause the end of the game, it caused the end of the game.

[knotty pasture]

If its out of your control or if its the result of not enough information there's no one to blame

If you made the best decision you think you did at that given moment with what information you have that's good enough

No need to shoulder the blame of killing off a table

[storm crow]

So an interesting question has popped into my mind: What in the world are hit points?

[rough basalt]

Just a game way to showcase your stamina/vitality

[knotty pasture]

Your vitality

[storm crow]

Like, is it health? stamina? what is it exactly

[rough basalt]

Once you hit 0hp you collapse

[bronze wave]

How healthy your char is. Like vitality

[storm crow]

When your character gets hit by 5 arrows, do they have 5 arrows sticking out of them and how exactly are they still fighting at that point?

[rough basalt]

Had that happen.

[storm crow]

at full power, no less

[bronze wave]

Bc it’s a game

[umbral girder]

HP is several things at once

[storm crow]

This is the conclusion I've started to reach

It's your character's will to fight/avoid a fatal blow

[rough basalt]

To me trying to talk things out at a table feels like going before a court.

[bronze wave]

Also most lvls are high high lvl fighters

[gray mortar]

Lesson there was, maybe you should absolutely listen to your player, and perhaps their partner, when they say 'Hey, I'm not stress', and not treat them like a child who's lying to you.

[storm crow]

I mean like if you're half HP then you're probably beaten and bruised

[bronze wave]

Like most of the world is way weaker then a lvl1 fighter

[storm crow]

Maybe stuff like healing spells just increases your will to fight

[umbral girder]

“Hit points represent a combination of physical and mental durability, the will to live, and luck.” -The Player’s Handbook 2014

[storm crow]

Ah glad they outlined it

[rough basalt]

I don't see how people can believe others when they have positive feedback.
I see it as a superpower

[storm crow]

wonder if that description changed in 2024 though...

[bronze wave]

Luck…? Can I roll a d20 on it

[umbral girder]

“Hit Points (HP) are a measure of how difficult it is to kill or destroy a creature or an object.”-2024 PHB

[humble cairn]

Hit points represent a combination of physical and mental durability, the will to live, and luck. Creatures with more hit points are more difficult to kill. Those with fewer hit points are more fragile. 2014 PHB

[umbral girder]

already sent that

[storm crow]

Also makes me wonder though how killing blows are seemingly not always fatal

[minor lake]

2014 goated once more

[gray mortar]

As a Paladin, I feel my hitpoints should be 1 million

[humble cairn]

Ahh I'm slow

[rough basalt]

I will say that's a part of '14 I think is better

[storm crow]

if I have 1 hp and get hit by an axe, that's a fatal injury

[hot marlin]

Truth is, characters in D&D are like you and me. Whether they're level 1 or 20, if an arrow gets in their throat, they die

[umbral girder]

Something something “too slow” and “sonic pfp”

[storm crow]

How could I still walk it off 3 hours later?

[minor lake]

you would go down

[clear lark]

Except arrows don't go in the PC's throats. It's a game not real life

[umbral girder]

Yeah the final fatal blow is hitting someone making death saves

[gray mortar]

I know I hate it when folks say it, but perhaps I shall use my 'It's just a simplification of real life' card here.

[storm crow]

If I'm fighting a wizard and I'm at 1hp and they hit me with a lightning bolt how is the entire left half of my body not getting blown off?

[humble cairn]

You don't get an arrow in the throat unless it takes you below 0hp.

[fossil hollow]

hp is not just meat points

[rough basalt]

Cause it's a heroic fantasy system

[fossil hollow]

a fatal blow would be if it just. kills you

[umbral girder]

Doesn’t mean the lightning bolt is a direct hit, or even as strong as an actual lightning bolt

[rough basalt]

Wouldn't be heroic fantasy if you just got obliterated by anything

[storm crow]

how does a fireball getting me below 1hp not just burn me to a crisp

[bronze wave]

Death saves

That’s what they are for

[nocturne harbor]

Hai

[storm crow]

Is the severity of the injury only decided at the end of the death saves?

[fossil hollow]

you decide the flavor, its a group story telling game man

[bronze wave]

Well bc to kill you also have to hit a threshold below the hp rq that’s a thing lol

[storm crow]

I get it I just like asking questions though

[potent siren]

Cause it needs to reduce you to less than negative your max health!

[bronze wave]

^

[minor lake]

ive seen dms that will incorporate injuries

[humble cairn]

And the DMG backs you up: "Rules Aren’t Physics. The rules of the game are meant to provide a fun game experience, not to describe the laws of physics in the worlds of D&D, let alone the real world."

[storm crow]

Ohhh okay so basically

[gray mortar]

You can take no damage from a fireball if ya got a shield. >:D

[minor lake]

i think the death saves are mostly for player enjoyment ya

[nocturne harbor]

Hello

[humble cairn]

There is no injury severity in the rules.

[minor lake]

less reality and more game design

[gray mortar]

I nearly pharsed it as 'It's not that deep', but thought of something more productive at the end

[storm crow]

What I mean to say is, if you pass all your death saves does that mean it was just a good hit, but if you fail you got decapitated?

[umbral girder]

DnD is just a game after all

[minor lake]

i always pictured death saves as a slow death

[humble cairn]

Sure, that's one way to do it.

[potent siren]

It means lady luck was on your side + maybe your a very hardy hero!

[humble cairn]

Three failed death saves is bleeding to death in 18 seconds.

[storm crow]

Eh maybe the more extreme stuff like dispemberment is just like for when it's an autokill from taking more than half your HP negative in damage

[minor lake]

you held on!

[fossil hollow]

i like to think of Hit Points similar to the "HP" in Uncharted

[storm crow]

So having 10 hp, and taking 15 from a wizard would leave me like Toji after getting hit by the hollow purple

[fossil hollow]

its the amount of luck you got til you actually get shot

[umbral girder]

Which is stated as part of the 2014 PHB

[hot marlin]

Yes. But what I mean is that in the fiction of D&D, the only hit that really connects is the one that brings to zero hp

[minor lake]

ya you could probably incorporate that with something like cleave

[fossil hollow]

or a dullahan

[gray mortar]

Dullahans are cool

[fossil hollow]

their critical hits impose a con save or die

[hot marlin]

All the arrows that hit but didn't bring you to 0 HP? They didn't really hit. They got caught by your armour, they grazed and made a scar on your cheek.

[fleet jay]

What is lorewise explanation if why you cant put on more than one ring item?

[humble cairn]

One reason I like systems that use Stress instead of HP.

[storm crow]

But then that one arrow that did bring you to 1hp hit a vital organ?

[fossil hollow]

you can put on as many rings as you have fingers

[gray mortar]

I thought one was able to put on multiple ring items?

[umbral girder]

You can wear multiple rings

[potent siren]

you can it just cant be the exact same kind of ring

[storm crow]

I still have to wonder how even something like the healer's kit would work then, that's not even magic that's just medicine

[minor lake]

one big finger

[fleet jay]

Oh

[hot marlin]

You can.

[rough basalt]

For a more irl example.
If you're shot centermass with a gun and it doesn't break through your bulletproof armor, you're still getting hit by that kinetic force which will knock you on your behind and break some ribs probably

[umbral girder]

The rules is you don’t get the benefits of the same magic ring more than once, and you can only attune to 3 magic items that require attunement

[storm crow]

Healing someone with the healer feat using a healing kit, are you treating their injuries? but if HP is abstract what if the character isn't really injured yet until that fatal blow? how's that work?

[fossil hollow]

basically a first aid kit

[humble cairn]

D&D is not a reality simulator.

[fossil hollow]

depends on the story. its a group sory telling game

[storm crow]

I dont think there's anything wrong with asking questions about these kinds of things though

[umbral girder]

Reminder, DnD is just a game

[fossil hollow]

yes, but dnd isnt just a game. its a group story telling game

[humble cairn]

Right, but the answer is still, "D&D is not a reality simulator." It's literally the answer in the books.

[fossil hollow]

the rules are there to help facilitate and standardize some things

[umbral girder]

Which is still a game

[fossil hollow]

but its not just one

[potent siren]

If they are unconscious and you can use the healing kit to stabilize them, you just abstract it to whatever makes the most sense

[old sluice]

That doesn't answer the question.

[fossil hollow]

a shit ton of the stats and stuff are abstractions

[storm crow]

No I meant healing someone while they're not unconcious, using the healer feat to make them spend hit dice

[old sluice]

The healer's kit works by containing first aid medicine. Stuff that stops your bleeding, closes your wounds.

[gray mortar]

The answer does break down to using one's imaginenation to fill in the blanks

[old sluice]

Poultices that reduce the pain.

[knotty pasture]

Its funny cuz you get spells like Disintegrate not disintegrating people literally because of death saving throws

[fossil hollow]

hit dice can represent the body recovering, or you restoring morale or your will to live

[humble cairn]

The answer is to make your own answer.

[storm crow]

I mean

[potent siren]

Your especially good at being a field medic, your character prepared some special poultice that can really kick your allies into gear!

[storm crow]

I suppose even if you did have several non-lethal wounds that aren't so bad, getting them patched up would in fact raise morale

[fossil hollow]

this is the type of stuff thats best not thought about too hard. its just game rules

[storm crow]

Yeah but I do enjoy flavor

I'm playing a doctor in my current game

[fossil hollow]

which you dont need rules for

[potent siren]

Whenever something seems strange or whatnot, I always just try to figure out a way to flavor it so that it makes sense to me, thats basically it

[humble cairn]

Do we ask how the characters in a Final Fantasy game use the bathroom and how the plumbing works?

[old sluice]

And that is an answer. "Not a reality simulator" is not an answer

[humble cairn]

That's great! That means you get to make up the details!

[fossil hollow]

how the hell does Vivi use the bathroom though

ive always wondered what the hell is under their hat and robes.

[gray mortar]

I do believe the filling in the blanks is apart of character creation. Like does your character summon stars, imbue smoke, dance with flames...

[humble cairn]

I love everything about those examples.

[hot marlin]

How much time do you usually devote to pondering about fictional characters' intimate body parts?

[gray mortar]

I had a wizard, who was the child of a water and fire genasi, use mist and steam as a flavour to their magic. And they were a divination wizard.

[fossil hollow]

look, vivi is literally a black blob with yellow eyes wearing a robe and hat

[fleet jay]

Which races in dnd are playable near homebrew?(like race is not on usual race list, but can be considered sentinent enough to play)

[knotty pasture]

But really, how do gith do their business

[humble cairn]

Loved Vivi's character design.

[gray mortar]

Greatest joke there was the fact I had it as human and they didn't inherit any of their parent's elemental abilities

[fossil hollow]

anything that isnt in official books is homebrew

[hot marlin]

I don't understand the question.

[knotty pasture]

Dhampir I suppose

[fleet jay]

Understandable

[humble cairn]

Dhampir are playable.

[fleet jay]

Oh, makes sense

[fossil hollow]

such simple key features, yet so iconic and recognizable

[knotty pasture]

Dhampir isn't an official race but more like a lineage thing

[gray mortar]

I thought they meant races that are exotic

[fossil hollow]

its an official race/species

[knotty pasture]

If your character is a Dhampir, replace your race's features with the Dhampir

[fossil hollow]

got reprinted in astarion's. its no longer a lineage

[humble cairn]

Dhampir is an official playable species as of the recent Astarion's book.

[knotty pasture]

I really need to put in 2014 in my nickname somewhere

[fossil hollow]

doesnt change the fact its a playable species now

[hot marlin]

Finally. A 5e book not named after a wizard created more than thirty years ago

[gray mortar]

I'm sorry, Astarion has a what?

[fossil hollow]

he has a digital supplement on ddb

[humble cairn]

Astarion's Little Black Book ... I mean Astarion's Book of Hungers.

[gray mortar]

Oh, dear... How had I missed that?

[hot marlin]

(Tasha, Mordenkainen and Volo are all wizards. Xanathar isn't though so my joke doesn't work that well. Though he was created thirty years ago)

[gray mortar]

Midnight's Book of Spells?

[fossil hollow]

van ritchen?

hes a cleric last checked

or at least has cleric spells

[hot marlin]

... I forgot about that one. But he was created more than thirty years ago

[fossil hollow]

hmmmmm

[gray mortar]

Enough with the spell casters, when am I getting a Tempus' Armory of Weaponry?

[humble cairn]

Ophidimancer's Treatise on Why Alignment Sucks

[fossil hollow]

Boo's Menagerie

or whatever the spelljammer supplement was called

[gray mortar]

Yondella's Kitchen of Delights... And for some reason it host most of the alchemical suppliments

[fossil hollow]

i await Sardior's Compedium of Psionics

[hot marlin]

Minsc and Boo. And technically they were created thirty years ago. Almost

[fossil hollow]

dammit

[hot marlin]

Made for Baldur's Gate.

[gray mortar]

Okay, that actually sounds really cool.

[hot marlin]

Yes people, there are two other Baldur's Gate games, they're pretty good.

[fossil hollow]

book of many things doesnt use asteria's name 😭

[hot marlin]

Actually they're some of the most important classics in the CRPG genre.

[fossil hollow]

Iuz's book of violence

[hot marlin]

Perhaps the most important classics. With Fallout 1, Planescape Torment and... I honestly can't think of any CRPG as influential

[fossil hollow]

PT mentioned, gotta run

[hot marlin]

Yes. Run. Run to install and play it

[fossil hollow]

I hab no monies or time! im about to run 6 campaigns in january!

i barely finished MH Sunbreak 😭 And thats the only video game i play now

[hot marlin]

... I will give you six months. In six months you need to have at least reached the Maze.

Otherwise I will haunt your nightmares.

[fossil hollow]

how much is it again though?

[hot marlin]

Less than any D&D book.

[fossil hollow]

sweet

i might hab monies then. time is something i got very little of now

back to making ouroboros dungeon

[hot marlin]

Can't be hard to make, it's just a circle.

[fossil hollow]

gotta put in the cult fortress and the giant scion of thrymm. this takes place in the white dragon lair you partook in

[knotty pasture]

Funny how bg3's companion cast drastically shrunk compared to bg2

We went from 21 + 1 easter egg > 10 characters

[hot marlin]

I hope you're putting some frost giants in too

The regional effect of a scion on giants are hilarious

What is it, +8 to all attacks and damage rolls? Something like that?

[fossil hollow]

its their PB to attack and damage yeah

and thanks for reminding me.

just need to check what regional efects white dragons had... and brew up some for the avatar of ourooros

[hot marlin]

... Oh to mix the regional effects of scions and multiple regions. In one megadungeon. With fire giants and devils everywhere. And gargoyles...

I should get back to work on that dungeon. But I have had so little time.

[fossil hollow]

wait, you havent ran it yet? I thought it would be ongoing by now

[hot marlin]

Time is in short supply recently

For those who don't know: I had this idea for a megadungeon for level 20 characters. The Hellfire Cathedral. The idea is that a bunch of fire giants worshipping Mephistopheles built a forge-cathedral.

Devils, giants, enslaved dragons, fire elementals. Gargoyles.

I should get back to it. Put all my ideas on paper at least.

[fossil hollow]

hopefully when you run it i can join lmao

[hot marlin]

Sure!

If I recall my ideas...
Step 1 was the ash town. Where the slaves used to be housed until the cathedral was finished, and they were then left to starve and choke on the smoke.

[fossil hollow]

i remember ashen zombies too

[hot marlin]

Filled with the undead corpses and ghosts of those people. A church too, with a deathknight who doesn't even realize she's dead, still praying for her god to come deliver the slaves.

[fossil hollow]

hmmmmm genie paladin sounds great about now... maybe i can play P4R4D153 L05T again...

last time i played him, a lich point blank'd pwk him

[hexed cape]

hi all stupid question. is there a DnD mod forTTS?

[humble cairn]

TTS?

[fossil hollow]

Table Top Simulator?

[hexed cape]

tabletop simulator

[humble cairn]

Ahh, shows how much I know.

[hexed cape]

yup

[fossil hollow]

i remember one of my friends using it for dnd. never asked for deets though

maybe they got a dedicated server? #third-party might also know

[hexed cape]

thanks for the heads-up. posted there. will see how it goes

[hot marlin]

OK so back to prepping my cathedral, it's decided, I will run it in february at the latest

[fossil hollow]

sweet

[hot marlin]

Hmmm... Anyone has a good name for a red abishai who fancies himself as a dragon king?

[fossil hollow]

ashardalo-

[hot marlin]

No. Bad Ti.

[fossil hollow]

Why not something simple? Crimson Fu-

[hot marlin]

...

[fossil hollow]

been a while since i made a hellsing reference while in your presence

[hot marlin]

I have no doubt you made many in my absence

[humble cairn]

Rex Imperius

[fickle heart]

Goated, with the Sauce.

[hot marlin]

That's a bit redundant is it not?

[humble cairn]

And on the nose!

But maybe the abishai is unoriginal.

[hot marlin]

It's like that joke in One Punch Man where every ninja has a redundant name

[rough basalt]

The capitalization on Sauce being the important part of the name.

[hot marlin]

Like Empty Void, Flashy Flash, Shrieking Scream...

[fossil hollow]

isnt that second one a One Punch man character

oh wait they are

im blind. Uhhhh.... Vulcan Imperator

[rough basalt]

The humble red dragon named Red Fire

[fossil hollow]

Hey, we got one literally called Inferno in common

although perhaps you (or the dragon) can argue their name is where the word fire is from?

[rough basalt]

The major Dragons in my setting are color something

[hot marlin]

OK so back to the basics. The plan is to have the dungeon have eleven separate areas, which all are kind of their own dungeon.
Area 1: The ash town. Undead of the former slaves. Gargoyles and dragons patrolling the skies. Guardian golems.
Area 2: The Furnace. Has a portal to the plane of fire where the giants are sending their troops to war with the efrits for the resources of the plane. Elementals.
Area 3: The priory. The most religiously devoted giants take on a monastic lifestyle to honour and praise Mephistopheles and live in seclusion practicing clerical magic and studying the mysteries of hellfire
Area 4: The church where everyone must come to listen to the sermons of the pit fiend archbishop.
Area 5: The hidden tunnels, used by the renegades among giants who found solace in worshipping the elemental evils secretely
Area 6: The draconic terrace where the red abishai has enslaved multiple dragons, forced them to make their nests and delights in acting like a petty tyrant
Area 7: The star-forge at the highest reaches where the forgemaster toils at making her great work.
Area 8: The Canian Embassy where the devils live in total darkness and command
Area 9: The caverns of the cradle, in the depths of which a scion of fire slumbers inside his cradle, surrounded by all sorts of creatures forgotten since before most gods were born
Area 10: The Great Tree in the Feywilds where a group of hags plot to steal the forgemaster's masterpiece for their patron
Area 11: The prison of the forbidden god, in Carceri, where that patron waits for the hags to deliver.

Okay now what can I put in those?

[raw ocean]

My favorite item in D&D has to be arcane cannon

It’s so simple yet so perfect

[raw ocean]

Are you just making mini hell?

[fossil hollow]

correction: the fire giants are

[raw ocean]

I remember one time I made a campaign where it was an infinite dungeon like infinity train, wasted it on a murder hobo and a dude who quit after like 2 sessions

[hot marlin]

Kinda!

[fossil hollow]

where's my hellwasp nest and the celestial making music

[rough basalt]

adding something silly to the magic country in my homebrew

[raw ocean]

Everyone always bans magic in random countries, why don’t we ban martial classes?

[hot marlin]

The tortured celestial fused with the church organ is in the church. The hellwasps nest inside celestial corpses in the tunnels.

[rough basalt]

adding a regular grassy park in a desert city with a tree that attacks people in it

reason for it is an Archmage of Transmutation thought itd be funny

[hot marlin]

How exactly do you ban "Guy who happens to be pretty athletic"?

[raw ocean]

1000 pound cuffs

[rough basalt]

Men must eat plentiful and never work

[raw ocean]

And uh you need to pour magical focus into them for them to lighten

[rough basalt]

The magic servants will do all that

[raw ocean]

Wyd if you accidentally see your DM prepping a tarrasque token, accept your fate or warn the other players

[rough basalt]

tbh it does kinda make sense for an Archmage who just sits in their tower having magic handle everything to be packing on the pounds

[raw ocean]

He then sees the invite from the princess and he already wasted his good spell slots so he can’t use shape change

[rough basalt]

Smile

[raw ocean]

My favorite thing to do in campaigns is spam awaken on creatures

I love my intelligent monsters and sending them on the path to magic

[rough basalt]

Thing i like about running games in my own setting now is just going insane when it comes to worldbuilding

[hot marlin]

I only used it once I think

There was some sort of blight infecting the trees in the region, so I awakened the oldest oak I could find to see if it could find out what was happening

[stiff jewel]

Who is the "Mark of Healing" even for? I wanted to add it onto the Mercy Monk to give them more versatility, but the spellcasting requirement stopped that.

[atomic kayak]

What do you mean "even for"?

[humble cairn]

There is no spellcasting requirement.

You can have the Feat without spellcasting, you just miss out on the extra spells.

[burnt grove]

Add a level of cleric to it I guess

[atomic kayak]

And yea its still nice even without casting cause of the other stuff

[lavish flame]

Halflings iirc

also like... Wizards, Sorcerers, and Warlocks might like adding heal spells to their repertoire

[covert cape]

is there any way to snowboard in dnd

[lavish flame]

Thats probably just an Athletics check

[covert cape]

cool thanks!

[rough basalt]

Acrobatics could be argued depending on what you're doing

Ultimately itd be a DM and situation thing

[zenith wind]

acrobatics for a flip

constitution when you snuff it

performance to make people swoon

[rough basalt]

strength to get out of the snow

wisdom save not to cry

[zenith wind]

deception to make it look like you intended to do that

[lavish flame]

the ski slopes in D&D have to be terrifying

[hot marlin]

Okay so I calculated things for that campaign idea... To build their cathedral, the giants would have required a workforce of about sixty thousand slaves. To feed them they would have enslaved just about everything in a twenty kilometer radius. So I think I have an idea I need opinions about:
The entire mountain range is nothing but ruined villages. As the PCs advance through it, they see fields left to rot, mass graves for slaughtered villagers, ruins everywhere, nature completely gutted, polluted waters. The giants left the builders to starve once they were no longer needed and slaughtered the farmers. And the PCs go through this borderline apocalyptic scenery.
On the way I could add mad feys and plant monsters. Any suggestions for monsters that can be a product of the general apocalypse visited on the place by the giants?

[lavish flame]

imagine skiing down the Barrier Peaks, rolling dex saves to avoid getting shot by laser guns

[opal wharf]

Seams like a great question for #dm-world-building

[zenith wind]

you mean rad as hell

[hot marlin]

Oh yeah

[lavish flame]

im worried about the monsters

getting sacked by an Abominable Yeti while on a family vacation doesnt sound ideal

[zenith wind]

the Abominable Yeti is also on a snow board

[storm crow]

What weapon would a bonesaw be?

[covert cape]

ooo im thinking of making a small ski trip in dnd (probably never will due to procrastination but idea still)

[zenith wind]

the reasonable option would be sword but the fun option is sickle

[lavish flame]

Baldur's Gate 3 has very stylized bonesaws that function identically to Longswords

[storm crow]

Sickle sounds good

[lavish flame]

I mention that they're stylized cuz they're like 2 feet longer than a traditional bonesaw

[storm crow]

I want it to be the backup weapon for my doctor lol

[covert cape]

w pc

[storm crow]

Non-magic doctor mind you

I'm playing a rogue with thief and some healing feats

But he's completely flavored as a doctor

[zenith wind]

sorry I can only perceive this as Medic from TF2

[storm crow]

It's actually inspired by the Doctor from Gloomwood

but also medic TF2 ofc

[covert cape]

w should totally ask ur dm if u can give him proficiency in medicine

[storm crow]

I made sure to take it

I have prof in medicine, herbalism kit, and alchemist's kit

Not only would I have him craft potions, but also things like alchemist's fire

Cuz why not

The healing isn't as rewarding as the hurting

[zenith wind]

there's two ways to cure a disease - treat the symptoms or destroy the source

[storm crow]

it's funny part of his philosophy is "There is no better medicine than prevention. That is why we must take care of our adversaries."

[inner silo]

Yo guys! What do you think of a magic item which as a side effect gives you a random cosmetical change or a mood change at the start of the day?

[inner silo]

Healer origin feat?

[storm crow]

More specifically, I'm actually using the "Traige Expert" feat

from Grim Hollow Player Pack

[inner silo]

Is this 2014 stuff?

[storm crow]

It achieves the same thing as the healer feat, but better. It also allows me to take another feat that upgrades it's healing and allows the curing of ailments. It's 2024

[inner silo]

Ah i see

Sounds great!

[storm crow]

It's quite cool

I'm the team's only healer so I feel important even if all the healing I can do is non-magical

[inner silo]

Tbh sounds peak

[jovial badger]

best race for a monk? (besides variant human)

[humble cairn]

All species work with all classes. There is not "best" it's basically what is most fun for you.

[jovial badger]

some better with others tho, for example a class that gives bonus charisma works best with a sorcerer

[knotty pasture]

Turn on customizable origins so you can freely assign any stat to any stat

[humble cairn]

Species don't give attribute bonuses in the most current rules, Backgrounds do.

[rough basalt]

Talked to the one Wizard and he was aight with me playing one so I'm playing a bladesinger

[humble cairn]

See? There ya go! Problem solved! What kind of Wizard are they playing?

[rough basalt]

Evoker, so pretty significantly different styles

[humble cairn]

2014 or 2024?

[rough basalt]

2024

[humble cairn]

Nice

[rough basalt]

Playing a Satyr

[jovial badger]

peak race

[stiff jewel]

will 1 level in cleric/sorcerer unlock the ability to cast all the spells unlocked by the feat?

The way I see it, the "Mark of Healing" is basically only viable on Wizards as they dont get healing spells as standard, or on Rangers or Paladins.

I suppose Clerics, Sorcerers, Bards and Warlocks could potentially get it to round out their spell diversity...

Fighters, Monks, Rogues, and Barbarians are just out of luck.

[hexed river]

is there a good form fillable pdf for character sheet? filling one in but the abilitiy modifiers are tiny

[stiff jewel]

Have you tried MPMB?

[hexed river]

never heard of it actually!

can i enter my own custom text or does it have to be built with options?

[stiff jewel]

I think you can put whatever you want into it

[hexed river]

thank you mate ill give it a go!

[stiff jewel]

No problem

[toxic rune]

whats this all about?

DND?

[stiff jewel]

yeah

[toxic rune]

what is DND

[stiff jewel]

Dungeons and Dragons

[toxic rune]

Is there online play or sum?

[glass granite]

Yes

?tag new online

[cosmic roost]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/750-new-players-guide-how-to-play-d-d-online

[toxic rune]

cheers

[wooden ginkgo]

i js got into a debate
and i want you all's opinions

is shooting a ranged weapon within 5 feet, considered a melee? (In my opinion it's not)

[reef tundra]

It is not a melee attack

[toxic rune]

Surely not

[reef tundra]

While you can make ranged attacks with melee weapons, you cannot make melee attacks with ranged weapons

Even if you have sharpshooter or spell sniper and you hit someone within 5 feet, that is still a ranged attack

[wooden ginkgo]

thanks, i'll be using this screenshot (don't you mean crossbow expert instead of sharpshooter or spell sniper?)

[reef tundra]

No I mean sharpshooter

[glass granite]

It does the thing in 2024

But as Amity said, that’s not a melee attack

[chrome frost]

can i ask for help creating characters here or no

[reef tundra]

#dnd-newcomers are better with guiding people

[wooden ginkgo]

damn
i really got to switch to 2024 soon

[reef tundra]

While it is a subjective opinion of mine that some others don’t agree with, I find 2024 far more polished

[glass granite]

I like the 2024 monk more, and it’s the one I learnt and taught people, so I like it.

[wooden ginkgo]

some campaign does this actually

and hell
my idea was "You die, you be lvl 1" but toned it down to ONLY if the players suicides to get a new character
because i don't encourage dying and they want to die within 2 session

[reef tundra]

2024 Monk is peak

[dense flax]

I am qurious what people are thinking about One-Shot Wonders: Holiday Adventure Pack (I am thinking about buying it and would like some reviews)

[glass granite]

Couldn’t agree more

[reef tundra]

I love how everyone turned on the Monk in the final years of 2014 5e and then they just turned monks into absolute units

-# What psychopath said “make the monks resistant to everything but force damage”. I want to hug them

[glass granite]

I was still a monk lover for the half year I knew the 2014 monk, but that’s just cuz I’m a die hard monk fan

[snow agate]

ive just been saying i dark souls dodge roll and parry 😭

[glass granite]

Peakkkk

[snow agate]

blocked it by I-frames trust

[reef tundra]

Genius

[wooden ginkgo]

tbh i'd do the lvl 1 gimmick that i said
except it'd be too harsh for my beginner players

[burnt valley]

what are examples of an adversarial DM?

Ez dont make them start at Lvl 1

[glass granite]

Trying to kill a character (or really trying to kill the party) without a good reason. And that is VERY hard to justify.

Like, going out of their way to kill the party instead of developing the plot

[burnt valley]

Would having a goal of a TPK count?

[glass granite]

Probably, yes

[reef tundra]

Intending to have a TPK is bad

[burnt valley]

Ah alrighty

[limber trail]

I’ve been playing a 2024 monk for a couple sessions now. It’s been fun, I’d like to see more of it, although the differences are still emerging

[wheat herald]

i wont actually but it’s mildly irratating

[glass granite]

So you’re gonna complain about them on a public server?

[wheat herald]

yes

[glass granite]

I understand that you’re frustrated, but this feels like an odd place

[limber trail]

Easily done. Talk to your players in session 0, make sure they’re ok with it, and you’re set.

[wheat herald]

copium is currently knocked out anx pepsi has a ruls that dead players return after a long rest and they only die if they take damage while unconscious so im considering killing copium at the start of next session if he doesn’t attent

[limber trail]

It sounds like you should just talk to them like adults and figure it out

[wheat herald]

i dont wanna haul around an unconscious guy

[wheat herald]

we arent adults we are minors

[limber trail]

I did say like adults, not that you have to be adults

[wheat herald]

true

[limber trail]

Scheduling is hard but it’s a part of the game that is important to do

I ask my players to do 20 mins of scheduling work each month and it means our 15 hours a month of playtime run smoothly

[stuck shuttle]

Yeah calling out on a public server for private issues is not appropriate for both your game and this server

[wheat herald]

its not an issue its mildly irritating at most i just wanted advice to see how we sll sort it out

like a third unbiast opinion

i suck at spellinh holy patron of all warlocks

[limber trail]

I would have an honest talk

[glass granite]

Probably could’ve put it in a more mature and advice-forward manner, but i recommend just having a private conversation with them. Voice your feelings, and try to have an honest and calm chat

[limber trail]

If a player is struggling to make sessions consistently it might be reason to have a tough conversation

[stuck shuttle]

This is even more reason to talk it out like adults. If you’re frustrated to the point of wanting to kill another PC then it’s time to take a step back and address your issues above the table

[wheat herald]

we are murder hobos we need the thrill of it

[reef tundra]

Well, at least you’re self aware

[wheat herald]

i wont actually kill him but lumping around an unconscious man because i csnt heal him because jm out of spell slots while being esnted criminals is hard

[stuck shuttle]

I guess it’s somewhat less of an issue if PvP has been discussed and consented to beforehand

[wheat herald]

we arent doing pvp unless they like do something to piss you off intentionally or its like you fail miserably and hit a team mate

[stuck shuttle]

Then yeah it’s a bad idea. You’re venting your out of game frustrations in game

[reef tundra]

Never fix out of character solutions in game

[glass granite]

Out of game issues require out of game solutions

Usually involving conversation and compromise

[wheat herald]

on another actually game related note im still trying to bargin with my dm for a pet

[hot gate]

If you don't want to use the pet in combat, that doesn't sound like a hard bargain.

[wheat herald]

i dont he kinda just sits on my shoulder as a bird

my character has voices in his head that constantly tell gim to murder rhongs but when hes woth the bird he doesnt hear the voices

he also sees everythingbin inverted colors

[hot gate]

If your class allows for it, you could pick up the Find Familiar spell.

[wheat herald]

im a cleric it might work

and a bloodhunter

[graceful creek]

I'm making this druid character that has a familiar. The familiar is a Raven ghost with 4 arms(Fey corruption). I wanna use regular Raven stats for the familiar, but Ravens have 1 HP. I hate that.

[hollow stone]

tbf like 80% of Familiars have 1 health

[glad arch]

Can always resummon it, and just make sure it keeps out of combat

[hollow stone]

Tiny Beasts tend to be squishy

[graceful creek]

Did not know that. Good to know...

[hot gate]

They're not really intended to meaningfully participate in combat, unless you're a warlock with pact of the chain.

[glad arch]

The other 20% have 2 /hj

[graceful creek]

It's a combat familiar because I can buff the dude with the Summon beast spell.

[hollow stone]

yea, this, better to use them more like a reconnaissance device than anything else

especially the birds like ravens and owls

[graceful creek]

Dream Druid.

[hot gate]

I'm sorry? I don't know why that matters in this context.

[graceful creek]

The way I built the character, they play like a wildfire druid beastmaster ranger combined.

[hollow stone]

i wonder if you could reflavor an artificer with the Steel Defender into a druid with an angry little friend

[still plover]

I'm thinking of those pictures of birds where folk draw little arms on them.

"Sir, is this your familiar?"

https://www.reddit.com/r/HybridAnimals/comments/43npua/we_humans_are_animals_as_well_introducing_my/

[hollow stone]

the Steel Defender is combat oriented, right?

[hot gate]

I think flavoring the tech aspect of artificer into more of a "nature's blessing" aspect could be really cool.

[hot gate]

It sure is

[graceful creek]

I hate how accurate that is. Because the arms ARE humanoid...

[glad arch]

Where are the arms, theres not a lot of space to the side of them because theres wing there

[graceful creek]

On the back. Kinda like a spooder.

[glad arch]

Thats horrifying, checks out for the fey

[hollow stone]

wouldn't that get in the way?

of the flying?

[glad arch]

Stick them straight up in the air while flying ig

[graceful creek]

Yeah, that or just naruto run those things.

[hollow stone]

omg wait they do the little superman thing

[graceful creek]

PFFFFF

[hollow stone]

that's adorable

"i can fly!!!!"

what's the best familiar to reflavor into a really big earthworm?

[graceful creek]

Lizard, I assume.

Nevermind. Snake.

[jovial badger]

snake

orthworm from pokemon if you can find a homebrew of that

[humble cairn]

You want burrow speed? Badger.

[graceful creek]

Trueee...

[hollow stone]

yea probably a badger then

see it's probably been done before but i have arrived at a legendary concept: worm flavored druid

all worms

[graceful creek]

Interesting...

[hollow stone]

every wildshape is just a slightly larger worm, every spell is summoning worms

they have a familiar that's just a really big worm

[graceful creek]

Meanwhile the druid I'm making is literally nothing but fey. His race, his familiar, and both of his subclasses are fey related. Background too.

[graceful creek]

Thinking about it. He may have lived in the fey wilds for 370 years... but he has no useful knowledge of it.

[humble cairn]

You don't need to be that detailed about it.

[knotty basin]

Some people like having detailed backstories

[graceful creek]

In general I tend to just over-analyze my characters.

[humble cairn]

Sure but "Lived in a place for over three centuries .. don't remember much about it" seems like a wasted detail.

[knotty basin]

Fair

[humble cairn]

Many times it's better to have some mystery in writing your backstory.

[graceful creek]

AuDHD tends to not let me stop thinking.

[knotty basin]

Make a one-shot that may or may not ever play. That’s what I do

[graceful creek]

I've tried that. Running a campaign, playing in 3. Making a second campaign. And I still think of backstories. My brain is a Castlevania infinite corridor.

[inner silo]

Yo guys! What do you think of a assassin rogue+ paladin with searing smite multiclass to get burn+poison? Would that ba usable?

[graceful creek]

I feel like you don't want to level rogue too much past level 3, considering how slow your spell level progression is for Paladin.

[humble cairn]

I'm dubious. Also both of those damage types are commonly resisted.

[inner silo]

yeah? i just want the dip for usable poison dot and some other stuff

[inner silo]

that is true indeed

[graceful creek]

Yeah, that's fair.

[humble cairn]

There is no "DOT" from Assassin's poison.

None of the Assassin poison abilities do damage over time.

[inner silo]

ah i see. Is there any dot poison ability in the game?

[humble cairn]

I feel like there might be one or two, but it's not very common at all.

[inner silo]

i see

[knotty basin]

I think there is a poisoner feat, but it doesn’t do damage over time

[humble cairn]

Generally stuff that does poison damage will do immediate damage of the poison type and maybe inflict the Poisoned Condition.

[graceful creek]

Some DMs, like myself, do a house rule that poison does X amount of dice at the start of a creatures turn if they have the poisoned conditioned. If thr poison itself deems strong enough.

[inner silo]

poisoned will do ig

[humble cairn]

Ok

[humble cairn]

The Poisoned Condition is generally more defensive than offensive, since it gives Disadv on attacks.

[inner silo]

i see. Well its still poison ability that stays ig. Are there any usable poison attacks?

by usable i mean not outright worse then most other options

[humble cairn]

You can carry poisons around and apply them to your weapons.

The Poisoner Feat helps with that.

[inner silo]

alrighty. I need alchemist supplies to make them relatively cheaply right?

[graceful creek]

Could try getting the poison spray cantrip.

[humble cairn]

Uhh .. Poisoner's Kit, I believe.

[inner silo]

oh i see

[rough basalt]

Hate how my dnd inspiration comes to me at the worst times