dnd-discussion

[teal hazel]

Hear me out, you know those depictions of monks wearing big ropes around their waist? Well that but with copper wire and a monk that only uses lightning and lightning adjacent abilities

[old sluice]

Difference in power also count. A level 20 party beats a billion zombies

[meager fractal]

unless they are extraplanar lions or someth

[teal hazel]

Thought I guess they do have the risk of being at a disadvantage against lightning spells and abilities since they're wearing a big piece of copper, but still.

[old sluice]

That is thankfully not how the rules work

[hidden spindle]

Gotta upgrade that to Silver eventually. Conducts electricity better.

[inner silo]

Ngl seems pretty incredible

[raw ocean]

Either way realistically the electricity would take the path of least resistance and since your already being targeted wouldn’t make much of a difference

[teal hazel]

I mean for things like shocking grasp, wouldnt it count similarly to something like wearing metal armor?

[hidden spindle]

It would make one helluva homebrew magic item like Arrow Catching Shield or that other one, Shield of Missile Attraction

[raw ocean]

You can always just coat the copper in non-conducting materials

Still get the outfit but safer

[limpid plaza]

Are we talking spells

[old sluice]

Is it armor? No.

[raw ocean]

Best spell for cooking a grilled cheese to perfection?

[old sluice]

Prestidigitation.

Or hero's feast.

[knotty basin]

Neither of these cook food

[old sluice]

Prestidigitation can give you a flame. Good enough

[knotty basin]

Well, I guess you could argue prestidgitiation warms up the cheese enough to melt it

[knotty basin]

Huh, I didn’t know that

[meager fractal]

"You chill, warm, or flavor up to 1 cubic foot of nonliving material for 1 hour"

[old sluice]

I was thinking of the lighting a candle, torch or campfire part

But that works too

[sleek cloud]

Meteor swarm for sure

And with a side of tomato soup

[valid geyser]

def a little miffed how sparse the forge of the artificer species writeups are. I was under the impression that the setting books would be where we got lore for species

[hot reef]

It’s more of a 2024 mechanics update than a setting guide

[valid geyser]

if that was the case wouldnt we have just gotten a rising from the last war 2024 edition reprint?

[hot reef]

Although there’s also quite a bit of lore that wasn’t printed in RFtLW that could’ve gone there

[hot reef]

More reasonable than selling the entire thing for $60 with just mechanics updates

[knotty basin]

I don’t think wizards wants to do much lore outside of published campaigns anymore

[valid geyser]

that's dumb. I buy these books for lore more than I do mechanics

[hot reef]

Aren’t most adventure guides notably lacking lore? I don’t think they want to spread it out across multiple books that badly

Didn’t the latest FR books have a good amount of lore?

[valid geyser]

I think they did a decent job for FR. I feel like this book seems like way more of a rush job, even with the delay

I guess I can't be all that much more mad because this book is like 20 bucks cheaper than the FR books

i do feel like this book should've marketed itself way more as a supplement rather than a full book. That's the big thing that bugs me

although its marketing is more "buy the artificer a third time i dare you"

[sleek cloud]

If it wasn’t for a select couple of things in the forgotten realms books like bladesinger, genie paladin, and a few of the feats, I’d probably call it a whiff

[valid geyser]

also, you know I think it's interesting they print humanoid gnoll NPCs and specifically state theyre not messed up by yeenoghu

[knotty basin]

Did they also make them a race?

For PCs?

[valid geyser]

yeah i think the mechanical stuff in heroes of faerun was kind of a miss in general, yeah. And I think the lore stuff is mostly just servicable

[valid geyser]

nope

[knotty basin]

Why do they taunt me

[valid geyser]

also no monster NPC blocks over CR 11 annoys me

[celest dove]

can i choose more than one class on my profile?

[knotty basin]

Do you mean your character sheet? Or your discord profile

[celest dove]

discord profile bc i play 3 classes

or can play 3 classes

[knotty basin]

No, but you can change yours

[celest dove]

ah alr thx

[knotty basin]

Hold on

I think I broke it

I have the rogue role, but a barbarian icon

Fixed it

[valid geyser]

also, wow. The cannith artificer statblock seems potent for a CR 3.
Its attacks deal 3d6+4 and prone with no save for the melee, and 4d8+4 ranged (two attacks either of them BTW). Also just gets at will level 3 burning hands and thunderwave, as well as invisibility once per day if it needs like a getaway or would want quick escapes

[knotty basin]

That can oneshot a level 3 character

Geez

[hot reef]

A Daask Bruiser is CR9! When I ran Daask there was one person at CR9+ and it was Cavallah

[buoyant oar]

On the FR books. There was plenty of lore updates to make the book worth it. In many ways the design felt like a Realms Reboot which didn't feel super awesome. But it is possible to make the new lore work with the pre-existing lore.

As a Realms fan for 30 years the books did exactly what WotC said they were gonna do. I can't be too upset about that. Now. I would have loved more detail and less crunch. But. That is just the way WotC crumbles these days.

My only real complaint is that Mike Schley needs a little better attention to detail. As his maps are inconsistent with his other maps in the same books. 😉

[valid geyser]

seems like a lot of the monsters in this book can inflict conditions with no save. I know it was pretty common in the 2025 MM but here they basically all have it

[hot reef]

Would’ve been cool to get another Overlord or Daelkyr

[valid geyser]

oh for sure

[sleek cloud]

I have a gripe with the cult of the dragon initiate and dragonscarred feats being locked into using your wisdom modifier and then neither the origin background it comes with or the follow up feat increase wisdom

[buoyant oar]

There was a lot in the book that did feel like "Hey Realms fans remember this?"

Like there is a background for a faction in a certain city and that faction nor city are really ever mentioned again.

[sleek cloud]

Harper feats are also underwhelming

Wish they would’ve made the help be a bonus action maybe proficiency times per long rest instead

[buoyant oar]

The Thesk Shadowmasters was the group I was thinking about

[valid geyser]

yeah, hearing there's a new kingdom of many arrows is cool, but it'd be a million times cooler if we actually got to see it

[buoyant oar]

And according to Jason Tondro. Mike Schley is really the reason for it. He did the map first the books were made to fit it.

[valid geyser]

you know what I respect that. If I got to draw a map of the setting first and had to have people write for it, I'd do stuff like that

[buoyant oar]

It's also the reason the Dragonborn nation got completely screwed.

Mike didn't put Tymanther on the map so Tondro said Unther destroyed them.

[sleek cloud]

Thanks a lot mike

[meager fractal]

In my campaign portions of Ravnica replaced the nation of Unther in a planar disaster

[valid geyser]

anyway, i realized how hard it is for me to compare how strong/weak new statblocks are. For a second I thought it was super strong that the Tarkanan marauder statblock gets three attacks that do 9d6+3 damage if it has advantage, 3d6 without. That's like 111 DPR (kinda, i didnt do a full dpr calc). Now that seems like it blows the top off of the 69-74 DPR DMG14 suggested, but comparing it to 2025 monster manual monsters, a lot of them do around that much damage per round, and now I think it's super weak if it doesnt get advantage on all its attacks

[hot reef]

CR11 and it’s not even Rotting Bal
The dragonmarked houses are doomed

[tulip hedge]

Im curious- What are some solid magic items for an Armorer Artificer?

[crimson gulch]

They kinda make their own mostly

It's hard to give them things

[valid geyser]

i will say i suppose it kinda makes sense in the scaling of eberron to things like the basic criminal organizations to be relatively low level. I know in older editions theres very much an intended scaling where you probably start fighting groups like sharn criminal groups, and then by around level 10 you have the power to pretty much destroy most of the powerful people in khorvaire, which is around when you start adventuring to places like Xendrik and then by around tier 4 you're fighting Daelkyr in Khyber

[old sluice]

Fight criminal groups?!

Are you crazy? Why would you do that?

[lyric idol]

Yeah you're supposed to join them!

[hot reef]

Then you have to fight their rivals

[lyric idol]

Force them to join your group. One criminal organization to rule them all, and in the black market bind them.

[hot reef]

(Although if you join Daask, then you’re up against the Boromar Clan, and they’d much rather kidnap your loved ones)

[old sluice]

Take them over!

Any high level criminal organisation has contacts within high circles. And ways to launder money!

You need to launder the money you make from adventuring. Otherwise they will force you to pay taxes

[hot reef]

The Boromar Clan is the high circle
The daughter of the head is a city council member (and controls several other city council members)

[old sluice]

See? Why would you fight those people when there is a lot more profit in joining?

[hot reef]

Enemies with Daask, which is secretly a foreign terrorist group

[lyric idol]

Join Daask, capture the daughter, force them to serve your group, ta da!

[hot reef]

Hope your character has well over a hundred hit points, the patriarch has 9 levels in rogue (likely assassin) and more than enough money for purple worm poison

[old sluice]

Poison immunity.

And enough perception that he'll never get that sneak attack

[clear lark]

If only perception had anything to do with sneak attacks

You might be confusing it with Hide

[hollow stone]

hey does DND have preexisting rules for environmental destruction?

[hot reef]

Do not underestimate the power of a father with hundreds of thousands of gold pieces to optimize with, 9 levels in rogue, and control over most of the city

[hot reef]

There’s a table of recommended HP and AC for objects

[hollow stone]

oh, where is it? does it include walls of various construction, like wood and stone?

[hot reef]

It’s in the free rules, Statistics for Objects
Yeah it includes those

[hollow stone]

see i wanna DM and part of my wanna DM is giving my players the freedom to invent new portals between rooms

if they don't wanna resolve the door problem they can simply remove it from the wall

[old sluice]

I mean that he won't get advantage from sneaking, obviously

[hollow stone]

or make a new doorway without a door at all

[hot reef]

He can probably afford PWT and various stealth-improving magic items, but won’t have reliable talent, so it’s a gamble

[hollow stone]

Reliable Talent is 7th level in '24

[sturdy spruce]

I was thinking about making a digimon dnd thing

[lone rock]

that could be cool

[stray atlas]

thing I've been wondering

is the zaith'isk in bg3 a thing in normal dnd?

or is it just a plot device in bg3?

[snow agate]

The latter

[stray atlas]

aw

[worldly gyro]

Would anyone know if I'd be allowed to post a survey in here for a math paper I'm writing? I need to collect data on D&D players and my school club fell short.

[spice arrow]

Hey there im pretty new to the whole sever thing but is there anybody in need of a player or anything im new and hella down to play whatever

[loud tendon]

Please check #looking-for-players . We dont allow group formation or solicitation outside our looking for channels. #find-a-game tells you how those channels work

[spice arrow]

Cool beans

[loud tendon]

Unfortunately we do not allow surveys on this aerver at this time.

[worldly gyro]

Understood, thank you for clarifying.

[idle oar]

Read the server rules

It's not like we hide why we don't allow memes/gifs on the server.

[oak shoal]

Gun to your head would you rather play with a metagaming backseat gaming min maxxer wizard or obnoxious "let me seduce the dragon or I cry" bard

[crimson gulch]

I have removed both types from my games, finding players that play nice is worth the effort

[idle oar]

Third option - I'd take the bullet and not have to deal with either.

[oak shoal]

Gun to your head

[crimson gulch]

That's only a d10 I can take it

[oak shoal]

Commoners have 5 hp

[fossil hollow]

just roll a 1 on damage, duh

[idle oar]

DM's have unlimited HP. But yeah, pause the game, discuss the issue, if you can't resolve it, time to boot the problem out of the game.

[woven flint]

Interparty conflict is nice

[cinder timber]

Sometimes, I pause the game and then boot

[fossil hollow]

im loving it

[oak shoal]

Just a simple nightmare scenario I'd like to share towards everyone

[idle oar]

Yeah - I think we covered the possible options

[cinder timber]

Is there a way to manage it without it devolving into chaos?

[woven flint]

It's only because I'm a drow 😔
I'm a chill guy but already hated
(Given lilies Backstory I don't blame her character)

[oak shoal]

Embrace the chaos

[idle oar]

Yes. Clear and honest above table communication

[oak shoal]

Remember the loudest one wins

[idle oar]

Not really

[undone fable]

bard.

[fickle heart]

Mature players.

[cinder timber]

That seems to be the panacea

[idle oar]

Loudest one usually ends up getting talked to about how to respect the groups time to play and ensure everyone playing can have time to shine.

[oak shoal]

I've played with a 10 year old in DND and unfortunately she's one of the best players I've seen in a long time

Compared to grown adults

[undone fable]

really? she is?

[idle oar]

Yeah - maturity isn't an age.

[old sluice]

Shoot please.

[cinder timber]

That's unexpected. I don't know if I'd want to play with kids.

[meager fractal]

i got silvery bards prepared so you'll have disadvantage on the shot. Better make it count.

[old sluice]

Though the wizard might be more tolerable.

[oak shoal]

Portant dice

[undone fable]

kids are a handful at dnd

[idle oar]

My kids are delightful to play D&D with
I might be biased

[oak shoal]

She played a Goliath Barbarian and had us cackling the entire session

[cinder timber]

Well, yeah, if they are your kids, that's a different story

[oak shoal]

We made it to where anytime her dad explained something to her, her 8 int character would temporarily have a flash of genius

Well enough about me what's the most fun player you've had the joy of having at your table?

[cinder timber]

Im a new dm, so my sample size is quite small. But, I'd say my homie.

[oak shoal]

One of the best problems to have in DND is laughing the entire session

[undone fable]

depends.

[cinder timber]

Yes and no

[undone fable]

i would say my friend tbh for me as new dm

[oak shoal]

Because on one hand everyone's having fun and amazing time. But nothing's getting done.

[idle oar]

I've ran a campaign variously-aged teenagers (I know their parents IRL so not a bunch of strangers) and it was creative chaos.
Some were a bit harder to keep reigned in and focussed on the campaign - still fun but sometimes exhausting.

[oak shoal]

I can't say I'm exactly a new DM because I've ran like 9 one shots for friends and family. But I'm new to making my own campaign

[cinder timber]

I need that level of patience 😭

[molten token]

Enjoy it! Taking the time to create a fully fledged campaign and run it for your friends is a lot of fun, but there is something special about doing it for the first time.

[old sluice]

The best player I ever had was one who essentially took over the plot.

[oak shoal]

HOLY CRAP DUDE I JUST REALIZED WHO REPLIED TO ME

[old sluice]

He played like a supervillain. Disinformation tactics on the enemies. Poisoned foes... Basically no NPC knew who he was as he was planning on taking over the city.

[meager fractal]

throws a pokeball

[old sluice]

There's this... Narrative thing. Actions that are normally reserved for antagonists in stereotypical heroic stories. He did all of them

[oak shoal]

That's pretty badass

[cinder timber]

Is he a YouTuber or something?

[fossil hollow]

if it is the one, yeah

[oak shoal]

Dungeon dad is a YouTuber who makes sick DND monster stuff

I just watched the obsidian dragon video he put out

[molten token]

That's awesome, I love it when players do stuff like that. It shows a real sense of buy-in from them. Honestly, I'm just pumped anytime I have players who want to get involved with the politics of my world. Some of the most interesting NPCs/factions/plot points in my setting have come from players who took it upon themselves to do that kinda stuff

[oak shoal]

I currently have my players working for a church of Bane, I'm well aware that none of them intend to actually stick with them. So I've wrote the leader in as a contingency BBEG

[molten token]

That's very kind of you to say, and thanks!

[old sluice]

Yeah. And the interesting thing is... I really think that is how you should play. Use every tool the game gives you

[oak shoal]

Expect True Strike

[sleek cloud]

Dungeon dad eh? You know what I’m gonna go check it out now

[molten token]

I totally agree. I really enjoy that kind of gameplay both from the DM and player side.

[sudden cradle]

how to get approved to post my games here?

[uncut salmon]

Can an echo from echo knight cast spells

[oak shoal]

I'm already setting up plot points for my act two of my campaign with the obsidian dragon in mind

[fossil hollow]

no

[normal junco]

the details should be in the find a game channel

[fossil hollow]

The echo can only be a placeholder for your attacks

[placid haven]

Hey I’m new here wanted to know how to get into a campaign. Sorry to bother y’all

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[placid haven]

Thanks

[sleek cloud]

Well, watched a bit of the most stolen object in dnd history video and already subbed, I see the hype now

[knotty basin]

Was it forks?

[raw ocean]

I would assume gold

[old sluice]

I would assume the Hand of Vecna.

[oak shoal]

The left hand of vecna

[sleek cloud]

And spoil all the fun of watching it? Nay!

[knotty basin]

Well, if a party steals 100 gold, that’s 100 objects stolen

[oak shoal]

The weenus of vecna

[knotty basin]

Versus just one hand per vecna campaign

[oak shoal]

This vecna guy really needs to stop getting his hand stolen

[old sluice]

... I've got the weirdest, stupidest idea for a monster ability. Summons a magic black hole. It doesn't deal damage or anything to people. But it attracts spells in its gravity and cancels them as long as their trajectory brings them near it. Only spells like... Magic Missile. Rays. Fireball. Every spell that creates a thing that physically moves towards the target

[knotty basin]

So, any spell that makes an attack roll?

[old sluice]

Unless it was actually ten platinum pieces. Or a thousand silver pieces. Or five hundred electrum pieces. Or ten thousand copper pieces.

[normal junco]

like the belt of arrow summoning, but as a placable spell for a limited time.

or was it shield of arrow summoning?

[old sluice]

No. Shocking Grasp, for example, would not be affected

[knotty basin]

So just ranged spell attack rolls?

[raw ocean]

Most stolen item in D&D would most likely be the DM's sanity

"Can I get this homebrew class called godslayer?"

[old sluice]

No. Magic Missile and Fireball would be affected but don't have attack rolls

[knotty basin]

Well, how would you word that to include them?

[old sluice]

No idea. Maybe just list the affected spells

[sleek cloud]

The actual answer is pretty amusing

[oak shoal]

Sucks in any spells that include that either aren't instant or are mental conditions.

[raw ocean]

So like the ravenous void spell but for magic?

[oak shoal]

Although the black hole that steals your healing word sounds funny to me

[red steppe]

It'd be funny if it brings the projectile spells into one spot and if anyone gets in the middle of it, they take bazillion damage from the projectiles absorbed

[sleek cloud]

Kinda just sounds like a strange version of antimagic field

[old sluice]

Yeah but there is a difference. Some magic can bypass it. Any spell that does not involve the magic having to move from the caster to the target can be used.

[raw ocean]

Do you guys have a most hated spell?

[old sluice]

Or you just have to place it in a way that it doesn't get trapped in that gravity.

[fossil hollow]

Find Traps

[undone fable]

does eldritch blast count?

[raw ocean]

Yes

[old sluice]

Silvery Barbs. Find Traps.

[undone fable]

then eldritch blast

[stuck shuttle]

Why EB?

[coarse ravine]

Easy easy silvery barbs

When dm gets to use it no fun at all

[raw ocean]

Im sensing alot of DM's in the chat with this barb hatred

[sleek cloud]

Find traps

[stuck shuttle]

I agree, Find Traps

[old sluice]

I also think it's a bad spell from the players' point of view

[coarse ravine]

People actually cast find traps?

[sleek cloud]

Exactly. Thats why it’s hated

[fossil hollow]

Not that ive ever seen

[coarse ravine]

Yeah cause if player uses it means it's now open to dm using it

[stoic obsidian]

It the most powerful and most used cantrip for a lot of charisma build, but honestly it also because of invocations

[raw ocean]

Only experience I have had with silvery barbs so far is 4 of my party caster buds casting it in a row

[cobalt owl]

Thats barbs for you

[undone fable]

one of the players in the table plays a warlock and powergames in general to where the sessions just becomes combat simulation and im just tired of playing combat simulation

[old sluice]

No. Because it encourages the worst kind of player mentality. Once you use it, you open the floodgates in your brain.

[cobalt owl]

Barbs saved the party last time

[raw ocean]

Now off of the negative side, most loved spell that you find is under used?

[cobalt owl]

Call lightning.

[old sluice]

Better to lose without it than to win with it.

[fossil hollow]

that sounds like the best time to hit them all (no shield), hit them with elemental magic (no absorb elements), or big spells (no counterspell)

[normal junco]

i'd just rather make a redirect spell, level 2 slot, reaction casting time. allows the caster to move the target of a roll-to-hit attack or spell to a different target/location that is valid. my wording is messed up, i dont make homebrew

[cobalt owl]

Winnings winning. Doesn't really matter how you do it if you still claim victory

[stoic obsidian]

Really? How are they power gaming?

[raw ocean]

I really like the voorish sign spell "When you would normally roll one or more dice to deal damage to that creature with a spell, don’t roll those dice for the damage; instead use the highest number possible for each die."

[stuck shuttle]

As both a player and DM I don't find SB to be that bad. It's definitely up there in power and especially power to slot level ratio but it's not an encounter-beater

[cobalt owl]

I just think if DM gets Leg Res players can have barbs

[coarse ravine]

I just dmd for a order cleric/ evocation wizard. with sculpt spells for his evocation. So he would earth tremor the party then save them so no one gets hurt. The oath of authority let's them attack. Then after their turn they got their reaction back. The wizard/cleric silvery barbs on monster so now monster misses. but used the adv on the paladin. So the paladin gets to attack again...

[fossil hollow]

my monsters tend to just roll just as good even with SB (i dont inflate saves, i swear)

[coarse ravine]

Silvery + order domain is wild!

[stoic obsidian]

Reroll doesn’t mean garenteed success or failure

[old sluice]

It isn't indeed. But the reason it is the worst spell in the game is not because of its strength or weakness

[raw ocean]

Yall ever seen 4 casters with silvery barbs and the lucky feat?

[undone fable]

oooof

[stoic obsidian]

Because it cause players to waste spell slots like no tomorrow ( really inexperienced ones)

[raw ocean]

My poor DM has...

[cobalt owl]

I've been on the receiving end of it before

[coarse ravine]

Ive been on the other end of that... poor run dms using silvery barbs on all your pcs

[molten token]

Currently DMing a 1-on-1 game for my partner and she is playing a Druid who casts Call Lightning all the time. It is a really awesome and unerappreciated spell.

Personally, I really love the spell Mold Earth. Infinte uses, has lots of cool RP and exploration potential, but even in combat (albeit circumstantial) I really enjoy being able to just make a foxhole I can jump into for cover. It's also a great way to knock out enemy emplacements

[cobalt owl]

I've also counterspelled barbs

[old sluice]

Yes. Partly. But mostly because it encourages a mentality where you simply can't accept your foes rolling well.

[stoic obsidian]

So how did the warlock power gamed?

[coarse ravine]

Ive used mold earth to bury someone in combat before hahaha. First turn 5 foot hole under them. Dm didn't bother climbing out just shot a arrow so I used it again and tossed tbe dirt back on them lol

[sleek cloud]

You know, I like the free castings that forest gnomes get of speak with animals, because he’s a wizard with find familiar and actually having my familiar have a personality and be able to have conversations is nice

[cobalt owl]

Entire party was ready to lucky and barbs me, and still only won by the skin of their teeth.

[undone fable]

• 19 perception/persuasion, +11 con saves (res feat), just makes every session a combat simulation where i dont contribute much

[cobalt owl]

Turns out if you don't get death saves you're more likely to die than if you did

[raw ocean]

I love getting my players mad whenever I make a character french

[old sluice]

I don't see the problem with those scores?

[cobalt owl]

I still don't get the french hate

[stoic obsidian]

How in the did they get that much

[raw ocean]

I don't either but it's always funny seeing their reaction

[cobalt owl]

+6 prof bonus, likely an expertise

[old sluice]

It's high but so what?

[coarse ravine]

I mean.. you as the swarmkeeper in combat yalls damage can get crazy

[cobalt owl]

Also if your definition of power gaming is high numbers then I guess anyone who has an expertise is power gaming lol

[undone fable]

everyone else isnt optimized as much

[coarse ravine]

Where ranger is dealing 70% of tbe party's overall damage.

[cobalt owl]

Optimization isn't a problem lol

Optimization against the tables' wishes is

[sleek cloud]

Josiah if you’re still around, you do some great work, thanks for putting that out there for everyone to enjoy

[stoic obsidian]

Seem likely, did they multiclass or took skill expert feat

[raw ocean]

I mock battled my ranger and the DM let them use some 3.5 called shots thing and they have the ability to infinite stun and dropped my health to -268

[coarse ravine]

Maybe bard special stuff

[cobalt owl]

But like, theres no problem with having optimal scores or anything. The PHB literally tells you to prioritize your main stat anyway

[molten token]

My pleasure! I gotta hop off for now (literally about to go film this week's video lol) but thanks! I appreciate it!

Have a good night gamers.

[cobalt owl]

Like of course the wizard is going to put all opportunities to increase stats into int if they can. And the cleric into wisdom.

[stoic obsidian]

Optimization isn’t the problem, it something else

[knotty basin]

There should be a feat to use the shape water/flame/earth cantrips as a bonus action

[cobalt owl]

Optimization isn't the problem, the problem sounds like Optimization against the tables' wishes

Or idk the party just took things cuz cool or whatever and this guy chose mechanics, that also happens

[stoic obsidian]

Or not allowing people to get the spot light

[coarse ravine]

• More then likely unless you get tricky with magic items being a artificer. Changing your stats with all the items.... usually when ya specialize in a few great things. You also specialize in a few bad things

[cobalt owl]

I know I had a party where I was the only one who didn't have odd scores and was questioning everyone else for a few things

[coarse ravine]

There is

[knotty basin]

There is? What is it called?

[coarse ravine]

It's called metamagic.

[cobalt owl]

Technically the truth

[knotty basin]

:(

Yeah but that’s like, once per long rest

[stoic obsidian]

Tbh building a optimize character, doesn’t mean the person optimizing is only playing the game for it

[sleek cloud]

Meta magic isn’t once a long rest

[coarse ravine]

Illusionist bracers

[cobalt owl]

It has a more negative connotation I think at more RP heavy tables I think

[knotty basin]

When is it then?

[coarse ravine]

Cast mold earth twice.

[coarse ravine]

Metamagic adept is a feat

2 for quicken spell so yes once per long rest

Unless ya get 2 metamagic adepts.

[cobalt owl]

Idk its just one of those terms that gets used when certain groups of tables will use with a negative catchall connotation

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah, and then again, you can’t stop people natural instinct to pick the best things for a class, because dnd is still a game

[raw ocean]

I pick whatever sounds cool and roll with it

[sleek cloud]

Yes the feat is, I thought the original comment was about the actual main metamagic sorcerers have

[cobalt owl]

I'm pro optimization

[stoic obsidian]

Me 2

[cobalt owl]

I just think its nice

[stoic obsidian]

Or atleast make sense mechanically like warpick barbarian with shield master

[old sluice]

Not necessarily a problem

The guy made a very competent character. So what?

[cobalt owl]

Because no I'm not put any points into strength when I don't need to as a class who doesn't use strength

[stoic obsidian]

This not the best option, but it still optimizing mechanically

[sleek cloud]

I’m pro “I have a clear idea in mind of what I want this character to be good at” optimization and I’m anti “I’m gonna build something so busted that I make the dm suffer for having to deal with me” optimization

[cobalt owl]

Look Enid the optimization thing isn't an issue unless he was told to not be optimal or somethin and went against the wishes of the party.

Or if his optimality is actively being terrible to y'all

[sleek cloud]

I think I missed the original point, why was eldritch blast a problem again

[stoic obsidian]

And frankly you can talk to them and work something out

[cobalt owl]

Because the nice thing about optimizing is you are very aware of what they're good and subsequently what they're bad at

[stoic obsidian]

And thus have less encounters that leverage charisma stats

[undone fable]

i feel bored at dnd sessions

[raw ocean]

If you had to choose, would you prefer a player who is great at roleplay but gives you a headache during combat, or a player who is horrible at roleplay but perfectly reasonable in combat?

[cobalt owl]

That sounds like something to raise to the DM mroe than anything

To ask for more things to do that aren't easily solved by the only optimized player at your table

[raw ocean]

I think it's perfectly fine to optimize your build as long as you aren't great at EVERYTHING, roles exist in combat and roleplay

[stoic obsidian]

What class were you? ( swarmkeeper still?)

[cobalt owl]

In a normal game, nobody can be good at everything.

[undone fable]

ye

[cobalt owl]

From the numbers though this sounds like high level stuff or magic item boosts

[raw ocean]

My homebrew race called "Good At Everything McGee" would beg to differ.

[sleek cloud]

Except me, I’m built different

[cobalt owl]

Not a normal game

[undone fable]

yeah. but im kinda bored of combat simulation. i kinda want exploration and rp tbh

[old sluice]

Because that character is very persuasive and perceptive?

[cobalt owl]

Well there you go Enid, theres your answer. Ask for exploration/rp

[old sluice]

That's a DM problem, that has nothing to do with the player

[raw ocean]

Worst fate in D&D is building a character for roleplay and persuasion while your DM is a wet sock of a roleplayer

[cobalt owl]

You're bored more because the DM's current campaign spot is more combat orientated

[stoic obsidian]

That the problem, your dm it throwing too much combat

[cobalt owl]

Thats my take at least.

[stoic obsidian]

I agree with it

[raw ocean]

"Could we perhaps find a better deal to our predicament?" "No, I will only sell this knife for 300 gold and I have no reason to lower it."

[stoic obsidian]

I like combat and roleplay for they give reprieve from each other

[cobalt owl]

Its easy to blame the optimized player in this case because they're thriving while you're not really enjoying the current situation, but the player optimized for this situation lol

[sleek cloud]

That’s basically what happened with my first DnD group when I made a bard. Found out pretty quickly when my persuasion checks for simple requests would fail when I rolled a 26 against a regular joe shopkeeper

[raw ocean]

Leading to me shedding a tear because my entire character was built to be good at deals

[cobalt owl]

Like
If you flip the situation around that player would probably be your level of boredom if there hand't been combat for like 7 sessions. Of course they may not be but I'm making an analogy here bear with it

[raw ocean]

I rolled a 36 to convince a guard that I wasn't doing anything and then he went over to his buddies and I had to roll twice for them [How does that make sense if I convince the first guy???]

[cobalt owl]

Charisma checks ain't free

[raw ocean]

What's the point of rolling if the result is already set?

[stoic obsidian]

This why roleplay and combat are important

[raw ocean]

Rule of thumb, if you can roll for it, it's possible

[cobalt owl]

I agree John, they probably shouldn't have let you roll anyway

[sleek cloud]

Yep

[raw ocean]

And guess who's character got executed a session later

[coarse ravine]

Yeah my busted build is 10 level bloodhunter, 6 level paladin, 2 level war wizard... then whatever else seems fair cleric if ya want. But the saving throws if done right with charisma 20 and Intelligence 20 that's
+5 intelligence
+6 profficiency (high level)
+5 for normal charisma or con
+5 for aura.
+4 from war wizard
Then if ya wanta get nutty go with bless for 1d4 extra so add average +2

[stoic obsidian]

Even roleplay heavy campaigns would be boring without combat, same with the other way around

[coarse ravine]

So around a +27 con, charisma, intelligence save

[cobalt owl]

I forget bloodhunter exists

[raw ocean]

I hate it when DM's see your character doing good in their niche and then they throw hard counters at you

[stoic obsidian]

Yup

Busted builds are boring

[coarse ravine]

10th level let's ya add intelligence to a few saves

[undone fable]

Ooooh i can add in bloodhunters and illriggers and even monster slayers

[raw ocean]

Play with your players, not against them

[stuck shuttle]

That's probably because they're homebrew

[coarse ravine]

It is boring... I had no character idea with himmm just numbers.

[cobalt owl]

I usually have a counter or two at some point, but not specific to players. I just have things like "Enemy is immune to heat metal" or "enemy is immune to forced movement" etc

[sleek cloud]

Reject complicated builds, return to champion fighter

[normal junco]

you can play against the players when it comes to really big boss fights and whatnot, but be clear about that in advance. and do that very rarely.

[cobalt owl]

Like if nobody has forced movement the enemy's trait is irrelevant

[coarse ravine]

Bloodhunter can overcome immunity

[cobalt owl]

Sure it can

[raw ocean]

One of my old DM's threw like 6 spell casters at us when our party kobold hit an AC of 24

[stoic obsidian]

And reject dual wielding, use the stick

[coarse ravine]

Gotta love that feature.

[cobalt owl]

I haven't read bloodhunter so I'll take your word for it

[sleek cloud]

Actually I just read that feature the other day too, insane that exists

[coarse ravine]

No one ever takes that feature

• only lasts one round.

[stoic obsidian]

Quarterstaff Champion fighter

[coarse ravine]

I wish it also made the non resistant non immune person vulnerable

[sleek cloud]

Big whacking stick go brrr

[coarse ravine]

Would make it more chosen.

[normal junco]

like if i ever run Curse of Strahd, Strahd himself will be playing against the players. i will not hold back, and i will do whatever the game will allow Strahd to do to kill the PCs when it comes to the climactic battle. but i will let the players know that right from the start of the campaign.

[stoic obsidian]

I reflavoured as a wooden bat

[cobalt owl]

Tone is also a thing

[raw ocean]

Strahd with his 20 spell casters, all with disentegrate prepared on their turn

[sleek cloud]

Even better

[cobalt owl]

I don't think strahd has 20 spellcasters on hand

[coarse ravine]

Have never played it

[stoic obsidian]

I dislike clubs

I don’t like 1d4 weapons much

[raw ocean]

Strahd is literally a ruler, he could easily find 20 spell casters

[cobalt owl]

Thats because its a piddly little d4

[stoic obsidian]

Except Nick weapons

Those are fine

[sleek cloud]

I also dislike clubs

I was never much for dancing

[normal junco]

Strahd's flaw is his arrogance and need for complete domination. he needs his foes to know they've been beaten. simple disintegration skips that, to Strahd's detriment.

[stoic obsidian]

I dislike the club mostly

[raw ocean]

You are right, let's plan over to plan B of trapping the players in a dungeon where they have to answer really vague puzzles with no hints

[stoic obsidian]

But if I do a peasant then it perfect

[red steppe]

Can Strahd still be affected by the spell Banishment?

[normal junco]

I'm a GM. I ain't got 15 hours for that.

[stoic obsidian]

Actually 1d4 weapon challenge

[coarse ravine]

I normally don't like modules... but this one comes up far too often. I gotta play it sometime

[cobalt owl]

Its the most famous one I believe

Anyway I gotta write some stuff for players so I'll be back

[raw ocean]

I was genuinely complicating if I should just banish all of the bosses the DM sends at us because they are all literally from a demonic plane

[normal junco]

CoS is intimidating to me because the whole campaign has a lot of moving parts involved.

[coarse ravine]

Some of my players could be in here... but uh... the best puzzle is tne do nothing puzzle with a button

[red steppe]

Nah, it needs the right creature type

[coarse ravine]

All the players have to do is be patient.. but if they keep clicking tbe button timer and affects resets

[raw ocean]

Oh my god

You are an evil genius

[coarse ravine]

Got it from another dm

But yeah. It's so simple it's genius

Also each player is in a different room.... brings in the immersion

So they all have a different button.

[red steppe]

Paranoid players will never be able to leave lmao

[coarse ravine]

It's from a magic tower quest I learned from him

[normal junco]

I like the one where a wall has the word "TRAP" neatly painted on it.

[coarse ravine]

Exactly and they say "I wanta leave"

I say... how many rations do you have?

Cause you are stuck here...

Then they keep pressing the button...

[raw ocean]

I feel like my players would start trying to kill eachover eventually

Insanity sets in quickly within D&D puzzles

[coarse ravine]

The biggest problem with this puzzle... Is your descriptions. They ask for every roll you can think of. As long as you can keep describing different things maybe lore other things. Then you'll be good

[red steppe]

How would you hint it though?

[coarse ravine]

All in your details on their roles...

[sleek cloud]

Whips: “my time to shine!”

Because when a problem comes along

[raw ocean]

I would just keep saying "There's a simple solution, perhaps you should wait and think of one?"

[coarse ravine]

We were all stuck in a solid black room by ourselves after entering the tower. Then the tower slowly lit up with gemstones 20 of them above us (several descriptions of languages and magic signs and lore etc etc)

But the slower the timer went without pressing the button the lights started to go off

[raw ocean]

I wonder if a party ever literally starved to death in a dungeon because they coulden't solve a puzzle?

[coarse ravine]

Then after they all went off the smoke started to come in. Thats usually when players freak out and press the button

[stoic obsidian]

It also very versatile for you can use it as a jump rope

[coarse ravine]

But if ya let the smoke fill up the room the smoke starts dissapating and they end up in another room together

But... they are all in separate rooms to start

To hide that at the table is your skill to not spoil it for others

If they press the button lights go back on

[normal junco]

Grimgnaw's got some really insidious traps. like SAW level traps. and a whole bunch of entertaining Rube Goldberg ones.

[coarse ravine]

But yeah fun... or not. Simple puzzle

[raw ocean]

Would you guys never play D&D again, but you get one thing from D&D? [Wish Spells/Items are banned]

Could be race, class, spell, or an item

[coarse ravine]

Had a player sit in that room pressing a button for 3 hours one time... rest of the party was good for not spoiling it to him... but I mean. Idk if that was fun or not. But man I was very ammused

[sleek cloud]

True resurrection to bring my cats back

[raw ocean]

Valid

[stoic obsidian]

Wait, what if you have gnome artificer ride the Human fighter, and the human fighter ride the centaur monk what does it look like, simple a mobile human tower

[coarse ravine]

Easily

You let me get shapechange.

[stoic obsidian]

The madness never ends

[coarse ravine]

Or.... idk I'll figure it out but yeah easily

Use timestop daily are ya kidding

[raw ocean]

I would probably take the wizard class and then just spam clone to be immortal

[stoic obsidian]

Now have the centaur ride on a giants back then have the giant ride dragons back

[old sluice]

I play kensei. My whip is a 1d10 weapon that deals 1d10 more lightning damage to the target and one other target near it.

[coarse ravine]

Thats a great topic. What's the one thing you'd have from dnd outside of wish and items.

I think divine intervention would be the correct choice here honestly

[old sluice]

Make me an elf. Functionally immortal

[raw ocean]

True polymorph and start a business to turn furries into actual animal people

I could make BANK

[coarse ravine]

Yeah you'd literally see generations of men and like 4-6 eras of life

[old sluice]

Wild shape is nice too.

[coarse ravine]

We are in the tech era

So... what was the 1500s?

[stoic obsidian]

The true monk weapon of choice now everyone is scare to pass you

[karmic mason]

Bag of Holding.

Imagine the business you could get with that thing. Instantaneous moving company, easy and unable to rot food, and even perfect storage of organs for donations

[coarse ravine]

You'd see so many eras just wild.

[coarse ravine]

No items was the rules

[karmic mason]

Exploration Age

[coarse ravine]

Or wish.

[karmic mason]

Oh.

It's probably gonna be Mage Hand

[coarse ravine]

Yeah definitely arch druid too

Level 18 feature.

[old sluice]

Otherwise... Astral Projection would give me actual total immortality

[karmic mason]

Mage Hand would be completely useful in every situation

[raw ocean]

Mass Suggestion

[old sluice]

With Astral Projection I could do all kinds of stupid stuff for fun. Throw myself in a volcano.

[karmic mason]

You can't directly harm people, but say you're being mugged/you see someone being mugged, and there's a heavy pipe barely held up

You could use mage hand, pulling it off, and dropping it down, INDIRECTLY harming them

[stoic obsidian]

Permanent Astral projection sound like a ghostly eternity

[raw ocean]

"Oh boys!!!" as I come around the corner with 12 strangers snapping our fingers at my enemies

[old sluice]

Why is that?

[karmic mason]

You become the mob don with one spell

[sleek cloud]

I got mugged once, it truly was the worst root beer flavor I’ve had

[stoic obsidian]

Well the passage of time gonna be weird

[old sluice]

Just as any form of immortality

[stoic obsidian]

For you are outside your body so your sense of time would be off

[karmic mason]

Mage Hand can't directly harm, but it can indirectly harm, right?

[stoic obsidian]

I dislike immortality

For a lot of reasons

[karmic mason]

Say that I have the hand pick up a goblet of boiling hot liquid and spill some of it

Would that be intentional harm by grabbing the goblet, or unintentional in that you never intended to spill?

[stoic obsidian]

Plus you eventually gonna run out of space in your brain to function

[old sluice]

Yes but we have something amazing for that. It's called forgetting stuff

You forget the useless stuff and keep the important things

[stoic obsidian]

What if you end up with so many important things that you don’t wanna delete

Also what if you lose a limb

Or have cancer when you become immortal

There some serious implications

[old sluice]

You're astrally projecting, those are not really problems

[raw ocean]

What if you just get to like eat sandwiches for thousands of years, that's pretty worth it

[stoic obsidian]

Right right right, back to astral projection

What if you get bored of living?

[old sluice]

Then you die.

[stoic obsidian]

But how

[old sluice]

By killing your body.

It's rather easy.

[stoic obsidian]

But how your an astral projection

[winged trench]

Hello all

[old sluice]

Have you read the spell?

You still have a body somewhere. Just go back to it and kill it

[coarse ravine]

Isn't the mortality trick clone + somethin can't remember

[stoic obsidian]

Alright

[old sluice]

Sure but it's expensive. Using astral projection you get cheap immortality.

[stoic obsidian]

Guess it not a bad form of immortality

[old sluice]

Your body does not age or require anything, even if your projection is killed you just go back in your body

[stoic obsidian]

Unless the thread is cut

[old sluice]

Unless the thread is cut. Which only two things can do

[stoic obsidian]

So simply avoid them

[old sluice]

They're all rather easy to avoid too

[stoic obsidian]

I still feel dubious of it

[old sluice]

The first is a giant thing the size of a mountain that only lives in the astral, the second is a special type of swords only given to elites among a specific culture

By the time they get to you, you should already have used your action to go back to your body

[stoic obsidian]

I just fine immortality to not always be it what it cracked up to be

[old sluice]

Considering that immortal creatures are only the realm of fiction, we have no grounds to have an opinion on it until it has been tried

[stoic obsidian]

Fair

[stray atlas]

so bit of a random question

what happens if a warlock kills their patron?

I'd imagine they lose their powers but I feel like there's gotta be at least one exception

[fossil hollow]

up to DM

[atomic kayak]

mechanically by default: nothing

[gleaming wharf]

How do I find a game?

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[gleaming wharf]

Damn didn't see/have that channel

[old sluice]

In theory losing your powers is just straight up not a thing

[gleaming wharf]

Ty

[stoic obsidian]

And the reason, it doesn’t say it in the book, but a couple DMs consider that to be the case

[raw ocean]

What's the strongest character's you have ever made?

[stoic obsidian]

So it really is up to DMs

[raw ocean]

[Like the one's that have gotten to the highest level, not min/max'd]

[fossil hollow]

the highest level character ive had is my Dhamphir Echo Knight/Undead Warlock.

shes currently level 11

(im excluding any oneshot characters)

[green harness]

I keep hearing mixed things about the 2024 paladin.

Is it good?

[stoic obsidian]

Neat, fighters are really versatile with stats

So it make sense that works

[raw ocean]

Personally my strongest character would be wood elf rogue, I only count characters that I have started with in a campaign to be canon to my portfolio

[fossil hollow]

its fine

[sleek cloud]

Paladin 2024 is still good yes

[raw ocean]

My main goal right now is to get a simple human fighter to the big leagues

[stoic obsidian]

Simple weapons time

[raw ocean]

The aura you get from being the only dude with nothing but a simple sword and shield fighting gods

And you are the only surviving original party member

[stoic obsidian]

I thought you said simple

Why you have a sword?

[raw ocean]

Rapier

[stoic obsidian]

Not simple

Simple weapons for your simple fighter

[raw ocean]

You don't mean... rocks and fists?

[stoic obsidian]

I mean daggers, quarterstaff, slings

You get where I am going?

[raw ocean]

So like, simple weapons where it's for moment to moment

[humble cairn]

"Simple" is a specific game label for specific weapon types.

[stoic obsidian]

This is what I meant

[burnt skiff]

Hello everyone i exist here now

[humble cairn]

The two weapon types are Simple and Martial.

[raw ocean]

Nuh uh

[stoic obsidian]

Only if you pass the roll

[burnt skiff]

Wut do ya mean nu uh

[proper locust]

I was vaguely interested in a gladiator style character and it was mentioned that there is a feat in something called arkadia and the feat was called triton, and it improved net and trident combat. Does anyone know what this is?

[fossil hollow]

what

[harsh hinge]

It’s this third-party product: https://www.arcana-games.com/arkadia

[woven ivy]

does anyone have any recommendations for shows or movies that’s similar to dnd

[harsh hinge]

That’s kind of broad. What aspects of D&D are you looking to see? (And of course there’s the recent D&D movie, Honor Among Thieves.)

[graceful goblet]

soo movies that has leveling ups,fantasies monsters,and something controlling the whole thing

prolly sum like ready player one

[proper locust]

Okay wow you got that really fast thank you

[mortal mountain]

What race and origin would be good for a barbarian? I went for goliath and soldier

[glass granite]

Yeah that’s pretty good

[mortal mountain]

I wish i could share my character sheet here

[glass granite]

You can

Send it into #character-discussion

[mortal mountain]

Also, I'm having trouble finding a game that allows beginners in #find-a-game, can i get some help

[mortal mountain]

Do i just send the character sheet link there?

[glass granite]

Yup! Remember to set it to public

[glass granite]

Most likely you’re gonna have to wait some more. I noticed the issue so I made a campaign of my own purely for newbies, but it’s already filled out.

[mortal mountain]

Welp, that's fine, I'll finish reading the basic rules some more

[modern garnet]

Just inserted a Rune Knight Fighter into my group as an NPC. Seems he was the difference between the party of 3 defeating scrags and TPK

[old sluice]

Hope he dies or leaves the group soon

[modern garnet]

Why

[old sluice]

Well being saved by an NPC can be a blow to the ego. It feels like the DM needed to help the party

[modern garnet]

Nah, i gave the sheet out to them to control, they asked for a merc i provided, i also just stand in for the RP bits

[cinder timber]

maybe the players didnt interpret it that way

[old sluice]

Maybe

[cinder timber]

tho, that can be demoralizing

[modern garnet]

They fought 2 battles and Kragnar is slowly making his way around the table. It helps my players step outside their usual classes and dip their toes into what else is out there also.

We have a half elf ranger, elven druid (The wife) and a tortle monk. Our player behind the rogue didnt work out as we were hoping

[old sluice]

The druid could also have been the mom.

Wait... People often play characters who are siblings or married. Why not parent and child?

[modern garnet]

My wife ehem...

lmao

Anyhow the point im getting at is Goliath Rune Knight is a big win in terms of battlefield control. I hope this can help someone out there!

[marble lion]

gotta add there are 2 possible meanings here
1 is the party going down and the NPC finishing the fight before saving them
2 is the party fighting equally and the NPC being there just skewing the numbers enough

2 is completely fine with most groups i think. 1 will bother people

[modern garnet]

They have a few things that added a roughly 2 ecl to the group so i balanced the fight accordingly for the purpose of providing a challenge. They were nearly wiped and requested a mercenary from a local guild to help them, it tipped the scale enough for a solid pre-boss battle.

[glass granite]

Well if the players are happy I’m happy

[modern garnet]

Heading back to the fray, they stepped in with a plan and it had turned out they would have done just fine without the rune knight if Elowyn had remembered to cast stoneskin on the ranger at the beginning of the battle. They determined Kragnar the rune knight goliath was a win and asked if they could keep him in the group. I said sure but we are also looking into a friend perhaps stepping into the role.

[old sluice]

Sorry, thought it was the ranger's wife. Makes more sense

[modern garnet]

All good lol.

[marble lion]

i feel like a parent might not be willing to adventure with a child on equal footing

there is an oath of protection between parent and child that the other 2 relationships dont quite have. its not equal

[knotty pasture]

Lots of stuff work, but notable ones are Half Orcs/Orcs, Goliaths, Dwarves

[modern garnet]

"Are we there yet?" Every roll of the dice lmao

[marble lion]

maybe thats why its rare

you can be protective of your love or sibling but youre not above them. the "protection" is not as rigid as with parents

[fossil summit]

Halfling, sailor.

[marble lion]

Woodelf urchin

[umbral girder]

Human

[vale sage]

Hello

[tired flame]

Hi guys, is the best way to start, like getting acknowledged with all the rules and mechanics is the D&D page? The one where you choose your character etc?

I mean the #learn-to-play , I am asking if there's maybe some better way like youtube series or something like that?

[reef tundra]

#dnd-newcomers should know

I’ve seen them recommend good YouTube series that teaches

[tired flame]

And do you have any time range that it takes to learn everything that I need to? Hours, days?

[marble lion]

A week of casual research

A day of focussed research

[reef tundra]

A month of play

This isn’t a science, people learn things differently

[marble lion]

That will teach you the real game

The basics you need are definitely learnable through tutorials

[reef tundra]

A blend of both research and play, even better

[reef tundra]

Yeah definitely, at least learn the basics

[marble lion]

There will be plenty more to learn after

[tired flame]

Alr, thank you very much, really appreciate the help🥹

[reef tundra]

No problem! Good luck! Have fun!

[vale sage]

hi

[oblique talon]

I Was a Process Engineer Until a Semi-Truck Hit Me On I-75: Boiling Water Efficiently In a Magical World

[glad arch]

Realised this and now really like the visual of casting command on a raging barbarian and saying 'relax'

[reef tundra]

Relax, don’t do it

[glad arch]

Think about why youre so angry

[reef tundra]

“Stop it, get some help”

[glad arch]

Command 'contemplate' dont know what it would do but thats for the dm to decide

[reef tundra]

The target just pulls a philosopher pose and goes “Hmmmm”

Now I wanna play a bard, cast command on an approaching and go “CHILL”

[glass granite]

Command word “Therapy”

[glad arch]

Speedrun 6 second therapy

Perfect for modern day youth with a tiktok attention span

[glad arch]

Starts leaning against the nearest wall

[glad arch]

Actually would this RAW take the barbarian out of rage?

[reef tundra]

Likely not

And even when thinking out of RAW, I know it’s possible to be angry while relaxing /hj

[glad arch]

Mmmh, i imagine its not very good relaxing but i get where youre coming from

'Unrage' it is then

[limber trail]

(2024) Command RAW doesn't even technically allow for other commands like relax, and rage only ends if you don't attack or take damage, wear heavy armour, or are incapacitated

[reef tundra]

I’d allow it :D

[limber trail]

It's up to DM discretion

[glad arch]

Damn they nerfed 2024 command

[noble basin]

I'm pretty sure 2024 rage just says making an attack roll or using the bonus action to extend the rage

[glad arch]

Big sad

[reef tundra]

Wait, 2024 berserker barbarians at a certain level become immune to being charmed, does command use charm? I can’t remember

[glad arch]

I hope only the dm would want to unrage the barbarian

[limber trail]

make an attack, a bonus action, or force an enemy to make a save

[limber trail]

Command isn't a charm condition

[noble basin]

No that would be suggestion... Somewhat

[reef tundra]

Nah I’m talking about players unraging barbarian enemies

[reef tundra]

Darn

[glad arch]

TIL barbarian enemies exist, i kinda assumed the player classes were player exclusive

[reef tundra]

Nah I give NPCs player abilities all the time

[limber trail]

I'm gonna be honest it's such a grey area that as a DM I would be the least likely to use this kind of effect because there is absolutely no mechanical basis for it.

[limber trail]

I've ran an enemy with a rage before. A fun lil miniboss.

I gave him a fun reaction where when a player rages within 30ft of him, he can counterrage with his own rage

[noble basin]

Ehh it's kinda buffed cause the target doesn't need to share a language or even hear you for the spell to work

[noble basin]

The rage is contagious lol

[glad arch]

"Thats cute, look what i can do"

[vale sage]

Hello

[glass granite]

Hallo

[vale sage]

Im someone who

Has a history of being around D&D but never fully partaking, I’m new and wanna get into it as it looks fun!

[glass granite]

Hi someone who, I’m Nugget

[vale sage]

Loovely to meet you nugget

[glass granite]

Gooooood morning afternoon evening to you, pleased to make your acquaintance

[reef tundra]

Nugget 😭

[still plover]

He did it again.

[vale sage]

I was wondering if it’s possible to make a ferret who’s anthropomorphic, walks on two legs, talks, can think and understand, allat,
But is literally just a ferret, including size, fur, everything

[reef tundra]

There is a ferret race, iirc?

[glass granite]

There is?!

[still plover]

Halfling with a custom description. Or yeah, probably Humblewood. Ask your DM.

[reef tundra]

Ah yeah, Humblewood

[stuck shuttle]

It's not official but I'm pretty sure it's in Humblewood yeah

[reef tundra]

I knew I wasn’t tripping

[glass granite]

Of course you’re not tripping, your name’s Amity

[still plover]

Gah!

[glass granite]

Never met a folk called Tripping in my life

[vale sage]

Interesting

[reef tundra]

:(

[still plover]

It's too early for this!

[limber trail]

It’s 6pm

[glass granite]

7pm for me

[vale sage]

Is there anyone or anywhere I could go to, to both learn and partake in a campaign?
It’s easier for me to learn while doing, as I sadly grew up on the destiny game series.

[glad arch]

Nah its 9am

[reef tundra]

8 am

[vale sage]

8:23 AM brah

[reef tundra]

WOAH SAME

[vale sage]

British

[glass granite]

Well, you could look at #find-a-game to try and find a game, and when you’re waiting you could read up on the free rules

[limber trail]

All of those sound plenty late enough for some bad puns and jokes

[reef tundra]

Yup, a fellow accursed /j

[glass granite]

Read up on the first few chapters of the free basic rules on #learn-to-play , and feel free to ask any questions you might have.

[vale sage]

Indeedly doo

[glad arch]

9am is definitally too early

[limber trail]

Hardly

[vale sage]

I had to drag myself out of bed to go to work, but the dude I was looking after didn’t even show up so I just gotta go home

[still plover]

Pop into #dnd-newcomers with your questions about getting started.

[reef tundra]

Now I wanna make a domain of dread based off of England in my setting

[glass granite]

Humour is timeless: throughout history, it need not matter whether it was day or night, rain nor shine, wordplay and jokes shall prevail.

Yes this is a quote from a character of mine

[vale sage]

I mean hey
If you’re willing to include and help a new player
I’m here to join in if you’re okay with it.

[limber trail]

That’s just England /j

[still plover]

I wasn't going to say it.

[glad arch]

Give them control weather but only to make it cloudy/rain

[limber trail]

I loosely considered not saying it

[reef tundra]

You’re welcome to help with ideas, but I don’t have another campaign opening until about… after Christmas or so

[reef tundra]

I welcome it

[vale sage]

Ah, alright, thank you

[still plover]

Jack the Ripper, Great Fire of London, some kind of industrial revolution, uhh, coal smoke, child labour.

[reef tundra]

… perfect ideas >:)

[vale sage]

Children’s commonly occurring death through the practice of chimney sweep

[reef tundra]

I wish I could post gifs, I’d post the grinch smile gif

[gilded scaffold]

Check out Masque of the Red Death for 2e

[reef tundra]

#non-dnd-topics

Oh wait, my b I misread

[glass granite]

I was gonna say

[limber trail]

2e, famously not dnd

[reef tundra]

I thought you was advertising another TTRPG 😭

[gilded scaffold]

(But also, a Domain of Dread based on England in a much earlier era - say, the Anarchy - could also be fun.)

[glad arch]

2e, short for 2 eagles

[reef tundra]

My b 😭

[gilded scaffold]

No, a D&D source for late-Victorian British gothic horror!

[still plover]

"Unauthorised castles," heh.

[reef tundra]

I’ll check it out, Ty

Masque of Red Death, just writing that down

[gilded scaffold]

It was a whole thing!

[limber trail]

My party has expressed interest in playing a one shot / two shot set in the fall of a vampire’s domain and the birth of one of my current nations soon. So I need to worldbuild a domain of dread adjacent

[still plover]

Oh yeah, I'm skimming Wikipedia on it and you can definitely grab plot points from the period.

[reef tundra]

Lucky you /gen

[limber trail]

It’s gonna be fun. We’ll be heading there pretty shortly after the one shot so I get to use them as free worldbuilding for the modern day campaign events

[gilded scaffold]

One of the oldest churches in central London was founded by a guy who was a jester, but was so shocked by witnessing the maritime disaster which triggered the whole crisis, he became a monk.

[reef tundra]

Omg since my setting is a twist on the forgotten realms and dnd cosmology, it is killing me, trying to make the domains of dread in the shadowfell and the layers of the abyss more distinct and unique. All I can imagine is darkness and a black sky for both 😭

Thank god for Evelux’s false sun, her domain is the only one that looks unique

[reef tundra]

Dayum

[gilded scaffold]

The Abyss should be much more lurid - lots of grotesque diversity. For the Domains of Dread, lead with the narrative and cultural flavour.

[limber trail]

My favorite thing to do with that is put something unexpected in there. What does the shadowfell look like if a portion of it is ruled by an ancient red dragon who found itself there banished by an ancient group of adventurers?

…wait

[reef tundra]

O_o
Matt Mercer be haunting you

[reef tundra]

Oooh, yes, Ty

[limber trail]

A portion of my shadowfell is ||home to an ancient order of holy warriors who are dedicated to covering up any trace of the true history of the world and the gods role in it||

It’s just putting unexpected things in those places with cool visuals

[reef tundra]

My domains of dread so far:
london, Vatican City, and skeleton rave yard 😭

[limber trail]

Skeleton rave skeleton rave skeleton rave

[reef tundra]

Badass

[still plover]

Alright, let's think. How black is black? I can give you...

• an endless void that induces vertigo
• an empty sky that sometimes opens to reveal a colossal eye
• a stifling darkness that presses down upon your spirits
• a cold and pitiless sky that is studded with bright, gleaming stars, draining your warmth

[reef tundra]

COOKING. Ty

[still plover]

And that's before we get into things like clouds, storms, fog, sky-beasts etc.

[limber trail]

Do you have in mind something that created or caused those spaces, way back when? Why were they created? What might cause a creature to live there?

Maybe the Shadowfell is a prison, dedicated to stopping a being of pure light from ever escaping.

[still plover]

The Judgements of Sunless Skies! Although aside from the Halved (and the accompanying Liberation of Night) they're all suns.

[reef tundra]

Yeah, the Shadowfell is pretty much a prison

[lethal otter]

Good morning , how is everybody

[noble basin]

Wonderful morning I'm doing great I hope you are too

[lethal otter]

Nope, i have exams tomrow and am stil procrastinating.

So yeah, its good. But i think that will turn quite fast

[vale sage]

I was hoping to find a campaign made for today because today I am free

But I cannot find any
I don’t think that are willing for newcomers

[glass granite]

There are definitely some campaigns out there who are willing to bring in newbies

[vale sage]

On a Wednesday

[glass granite]

But yeah, the process usually takes a while

[lethal otter]

Anyway, whats todays topic off conversation

[glass granite]

Just gotta keep waiting and keep looking, unfortunately. Keep up the grind, wish ya luck.

[vale sage]

I’m gonna steal your clothes for my own wardrobe

Watch your back
And your under
i come from the hellish crust of the earth

[glass granite]

Hello gonna steal your clothes for my own wardrobe, I’m Nugget.

[vale sage]

This dad joke

[glass granite]

As my Eloquence bard Levian would say, the fact that it’s a dad joke is quite a-parent

[vale sage]

“Today is a new day to be slightly more arrogant than the last.” - The Ferret that occasionally changes attire for certain reasons

[inner silo]

Can tough and con save proficiency replace putting points into con?

[reef tundra]

NO

[glass granite]

YES

[reef tundra]

NO

[glass granite]

Eh, I still definitely wouldn’t dump it

[inner silo]

What if I'd still have +1?

[reef tundra]

Woah woah don’t dump con

[glass granite]

That’s fine then

[inner silo]

Alrighty

[reef tundra]

That’s fine, just never go into the minuses

[glass granite]

Just don’t be too reckless

[inner silo]

Stranger is so back

[inner silo]

Alrighty

[inner silo]

Oki, will be very careful and sneaky

[glad arch]

You should, especially as a wizard /j

[glass granite]

Remember folks, dying is suboptimal

[inner silo]

Ngl with how often i do that, I'm probably playing pretty suboptimally

[glad arch]

Is it? Just create an ideal character for any situation you could be in then die when you need another one

[glass granite]

Then as a DM I would most likely use the “GET OUT” card : D

[inner silo]

Optimisers who don't roleplay are gonna love it

[reef tundra]

Yes, do so. I want to break more wizards

[glad arch]

Its very problem player but it is more optimal

[glad arch]

The -1 con wizard getting on average 3hp a level

[glass granite]

Well, no. If you can’t play, let alone use your character, that’s not very optimal.

[reef tundra]

Dear god

[glad arch]

Yeh i just realised how awfull it is too when i typed it out

[inner silo]

But due to some cool build they have 25ac and +6 in every save

[glad arch]

Thats 62hp at level 20

[reef tundra]

Someone once deadass told me the HP difference between a fighter and a wizard isn’t big

[inner silo]

Except con where they have advantage

[glass granite]

It’s not if you have tough

[glad arch]

Fireball still does damage even when you save

[reef tundra]

But what if the fighter has tough too

[inner silo]

They took that feat

[glass granite]

Then the fighters a wimp/j

[inner silo]

That makes it so you don't

[glad arch]

Thats a feat? I tought that was a rogue thing

[glass granite]

Shield master has smt like it, if I recall

[glad arch]

Wait how do you get +6 in all saves except con, i understand +6 in all with paladins aura

[reef tundra]

Wizards can’t use shields

[inner silo]

Your party is built around protecting you

[reef tundra]

Well, they can use shield but not shields

[glass granite]

feat

[inner silo]

Just level in ranger

[reef tundra]

Ah you’re right

[glad arch]

That sounds like big main character issues

[glass granite]

no I’m Nugget
Who’s Right?

[reef tundra]

Ah so that’s why this wizard is peak /hj

[reef tundra]

:(

[glass granite]

: D

[snow agate]

Ever hear something so unversed in the arcane arts you know you must be talking to a muggle

[glad arch]

I would love to tag someone named right but i wont

[glad arch]

Ranger level doing all the work

[glass granite]

I once asked someone if they’ve ever wanted to try game mastering (idk why I didn’t say dungeon mastering that day) and they thought I was talking about hunger games

[glad arch]

Idk if dungeon mastering is any better without the dnd context

[inner silo]

Welp, can't have everything

[noble basin]

i mean setting up the hunger games seems pretty fun

[inner silo]

I hope that person never changes

[inner silo]

And getting to eat goodberries from your boss after

[inner silo]

I talk to myself sometimes if that counts 😄

[glad arch]

Falls apart with more then like 1 or 2 players because otherwise youre gonna need to pvp

[stray atlas]

Random thought

can myconids be turned into vampires?

[glad arch]

Which as far as ive heard dnd classes arent really build around pvp

[noble basin]

oh i mean irl 😭

it can be done but you probably wanna go through it very thoroughly

[stray atlas]

pvp when the wizard casts wish

[glad arch]

Theres like 3 movies explaining why you shouldnt

[inner silo]

Just to lose to a big guy with an axe

[stray atlas]

and if so how would that work?

[glad arch]

Just bully a bunch of level 1 wizards, they cant do much

[stray atlas]

idt they have mouths

[inner silo]

This is fire lowkey

[inner silo]

They don't no

[glad arch]

You could reflavour it some other way, where they draw blood trough like their fingers or something

[still plover]

Like the Wraith from Stargate.

[glad arch]

Vampire consume blood right, just for most creatures thats by drinking it

[inner silo]

They send spores into a persons body which absorb the persons blood and then the myconid absorbs the spores

[glad arch]

Not sure how myconids work but if thats a way for them to get 'food' that works too

[still plover]

Spores inhaled, blood transfer from lungs... yeah, that's a horror show.

[inner silo]

They just kinda absorb stuff iirc

[inner silo]

Silly mushroom guys

[still plover]

Hey, I didn't put the black cape on them! That was Thunder's idea.

[glad arch]

I looked up myconids and these pictures go hard as hell. These guys look sick

[safe garnet]

Howdy :)

[inner silo]

That's why I'm making a myconid stranger with a greatsword

[still plover]

G'day. Apparently we're cooking haemovoric fungus folk.

[glass granite]

G’day

[safe garnet]

Like a vegan blood sausage.

[glad arch]

Okay but vampire mushroom man does go hard

Curse of strahd but hes just like a 2 foot tall redcap

[safe garnet]

Curse of Strahd but they go well on a pizza.

[glad arch]

Finally, the chef feat is usefull

[still plover]

I feel them as a lurking horror. They don't hunt, they don't stalk and pounce, they simply exist. And maybe they spread. Ooh, shades of Tzimisce.

[safe garnet]

Given how fungal networks operate, they also know.

[still plover]

Exactly.

[safe garnet]

What do they know? Fungal secrets, of course.. only to be heard via the whispers of their spores.

[still plover]

Less Last of Us and more... hmm. Need a touchstone.

[glad arch]

I think thats just mushrooms

[rough basalt]

Paid for a map patreon and man, I'm glad I don't gotta make maps for awhile.

Tho one of my players PCs is gonna explode.

[snow agate]

yeah myconids in dnd arent really up to anything nefarious theyre just vibing

like the mushrooms in dark souls but more detailed and ugly

[rough basalt]

Which makes them a good idea to make them up to something

Mainly cause I wanna use plant enemies, wotc give me more Plants and a Plant Titan

[reef tundra]

Violet Necrohulk and Gulthias Blight are the closest we have to plant bosses, iirc?

[hot gate]

The Lichen lich is a honorary plant boss 😌

[reef tundra]

Sounds badass

[hot gate]

Zuggtmoy as well, as the queen fungus herself.

Even though she's technically a fiend.

[quick pine]

A long while back I decided that the first Harengon I ever made would be the eldest of a family of 27 kids, and I wouldn't make any Harengon OUTSIDE the family until I went through each kid.....And I've finally decided to start jotting them down, now that I've made my third Harengon- And I'm planning out The Lineage. So far I have the eldest, the 8th kid, and the 14th

1 is an abjuration wizard, 8 is a Warlock, and 14 is a rogue- Both 8 and 14 are third party subclasses (Great Fool, and Sinner)

[rough basalt]

Yeah we don't got much

Tho ig for Plants we do have Shambling Mounds

You can throw a shambling mound in anywhere and it's solid

[jovial badger]

plants

druid reference

[coarse ravine]

There's that creature I saw on Witcher

[still plover]

Archespores?

[sweet umbra]

Is it morally okay to scare my DM with random questions?

[glass granite]

Depends on the question, and why

I’m a DM, ask me the question

[coarse ravine]

Leshen

[sweet umbra]

I asked my DM if dead bodies are objects

[glass granite]

They are

[coarse ravine]

Idk if it's 5e monster tho.

[still plover]

They read very druid-y to me. Much nature spirit.

[glass granite]

And why did you ask this?

[sweet umbra]

I could hold the body of a dragon then and wild shape, merging the body into my wildshape

And carry a dragon with me, without a problem

[glass granite]

I’d rule that as too big

[coarse ravine]

So a creation bard can use the dead body as a weapon

[sweet umbra]

It's an object, so RAW it would work

[still plover]

What size was the dragon?

[coarse ravine]

I guess dragons are magical

So a creation bard couldn't use it

[sweet umbra]

Full size

Themberchaud

[still plover]

In game terms (Small, Medium, Large etc) what size was the dragon, please?

[sweet umbra]

Idk the exact size

It's themberchaud tho, from the DND movie

[coarse ravine]

Was it a adult?

Or young

Or wyvern?

[coarse ravine]

Ohhh the super heavy dragon?

[sweet umbra]

Ye

[hollow stone]

i think that'd conjure up Encumberment Rules lmao

[hot gate]

Also it's not how wildshape works. It only merges equipment.

[sweet umbra]

It says it merged any carried or worn object, wear the dragons toe as idk a scarf around ur neck

[still plover]

The idea is inventive! I feel the specifics work against you. To even grapple something you have to be no more than one size smaller, right?

[sweet umbra]

Then ur "wearing" the dragons body

[hollow stone]

no less than one size smaller, i think

[knotty pasture]

Wouldn't that be impractical really fast unless there's a dragon in open ground

[coarse ravine]

You being inside it... and you "wearing it" are different

[still plover]

Yeah, those quotations you put there? You know this is a long shot at best. Be prepared for a no, with a possible lol.

[knotty pasture]

If you hold a dragon and wild shape, your size is suddenly too big to exit the dungeon (I don't think dungeons have dragon sized exits, if they do its definitely not a door way)

[coarse ravine]

No it merges with the wildshape

[knotty pasture]

But if you exit wild shape, how are you going to transport the dragon out of the dungeon

[coarse ravine]

Thats what he's tryna say

[jovial badger]

skill

[coarse ravine]

I think tbe idea here is you wear it. The body vanishes you take it back to town

You brought back a entire dragon body

Then unwildshape.

[knotty pasture]

Ah I get it now, idk this feels like cheating out the system lol

[coarse ravine]

Id say you have to be able to lift kt

[knotty pasture]

Its basically suggesting that Wild Shapes should double as a conditional souped up bag of holding

[coarse ravine]

To hold it or wear it... needs to be lifted

[coarse ravine]

He prolly ways 10k pounds easy

[hollow stone]

yea there's a certain amount of larger than you it is where you stop wearing it and it simply becomes the room you're in

[coarse ravine]

If not 30-50k.

[hollow stone]

like you can be in a closet, but you aren't wearing the closet

[coarse ravine]

A rhino weighs like 5000 pounds. Themberchaud is a fatass

[knotty pasture]

An adult red dragon in bg3 is 6000 kg/13k pounds

[coarse ravine]

He's prolly easily like 20-50k

[coarse ravine]

Obese dragon would be what?

[polar apex]

Hello and good morning

[knotty pasture]

No idea, I could say that also in bg3, an undead bronze dragon is 4000 kg/8800 pounds

[coarse ravine]

I just got done playing that

[knotty pasture]

So perhaps an obese dragon would be 7000+ kg?

[coarse ravine]

Just don't see how a rhino and a dragon could similar

[hollow stone]

i don't think we have a body mass index for dragons...

[coarse ravine]

But alrighty.... oh thats kg

[knotty pasture]

Oh nah we don't, just basing it off a homebrewed 5e video game

But it probably isn't far off from how heavy they actually weigh

[coarse ravine]

Just looked it up.. idk how accurate it is but sais he's 100k pounds

[jovial badger]

whats the best way to homebrew brass knuckles/knuckle dusters?

i js want yalls opinions

[coarse ravine]

Magic items

[hollow stone]

probably just take the Thrown attribute off of a Light Hammer and then you have it

[hot gate]

I'd just take a club and run with that.

[polar apex]

I want to play dnd again