dnd-discussion

[bronze wave]

Tho normally I’m a front liner or magic user so meh

[umbral girder]

Of course you could get a similar effect with a wood elf

Since you only need at least 5ft more than 30ft

[hot reef]

Pro tip: if you can consistently roll a 10 or higher on acrobatics, you can just continuously jump and ignore difficult terrain

[bronze wave]

Isn’t jump a bonus action

[rough basalt]

No it's movement

[bronze wave]

Huh good to know, I’m a fraud. That’s why I use Misty step

[umbral girder]

Also jumping is not acrobatics, it’s athletics

[hot reef]

There’s the Jump spell

[rough basalt]

And regular jumps don't require checks

Just movement expenditure

[hot reef]

It’s to avoid being prone when landing in difficult terrain (2014)

[stray atlas]

thing I've been wondering

[umbral girder]

Where’s this?

[stray atlas]

it make sense for someone to have advantage on intimidation checks if they're above a certain size type and sneak up on someone?

[rough basalt]

I mean sure

[stray atlas]

ok ty

[rough basalt]

Stuff like that is pretty free-form on how you run it

[devout plume]

apparently acquisition incorperated is partner content?

why is it listed as official?

[blissful minnow]

Dragons can polymorph into people right?

[old sluice]

Because it is

[old sluice]

Some of them, yes.

[blissful minnow]

Okay thank you

[devout plume]

by that logic isnt critical role content official?

[old sluice]

No need for that logic. Some critical role content is official, some isn't

[devout plume]

is blood hunter official?

[blissful minnow]

I hope so

[devout plume]

lol

[bronze wave]

No

[woven flint]

Hello again, friends
I.. am very sick 😎

[blissful minnow]

Blood magic is cool, as, fuhh

[devout plume]

rip

[glass granite]

Hello very sick, me too

[bronze wave]

But most ppl use it. I use it to

[bronze wave]

Hello very sick, I’m slightly sick

[glass granite]

Ok why are we all sick

[bronze wave]

The big brrr

[glass granite]

I’m in Australia

[bronze wave]

That’s on you atp

[woven flint]

We should fight our sicknesses in a WWE Free-For-All-esque fight
@bronze wave @glass granite

[bronze wave]

I’d lose ngl

[blissful minnow]

I used the same pfp as you like 3 years ago

[glass granite]

Spectacular proposal

[glass granite]

Ouch, but touché

[woven flint]

Imagine being in Australia and having to fight giant spiders and have your ground hook just to go to work everyday

[glass granite]

Nah the spiders are tiny. They’re, what, 30cm?

[woven flint]

Sorry, I measure In Freedom 😔

[glass granite]

Well, a foot is 31

[blissful minnow]

I’ll do it again

[woven flint]

Don't you dare...

[hot reef]

Jumping rules

[woven flint]

Gwendolyn, I will slay you again.

[glass granite]

Hi very gay, I’m Nugget. Hope you get better

[blissful minnow]

Damn, my funny joke didn’t work

[woven flint]

Generally pinging the entire server isn't funny lol

[glass granite]

Were you about to ping everyone??!

[blissful minnow]

I mean i doubt it would have pinged everyone

[woven flint]

I know, but it's better to not get in trouble

[blissful minnow]

It didn’t give me a pop up showing I could do it

[umbral girder]

Yikes

[hot reef]

^ any moderately sized server has it off

[old sluice]

And this server is a bit fatter than moderately sized

[civic notch]

Absolute unit

[glass granite]

Chonkz

[blissful minnow]

I need a Dragon to play as in bg3, I was thinking white red or green

[old sluice]

What

[blissful minnow]

Mods

The game is modded, I mod

[abstract jacinth]

The base dragons are pretty broken when you just give the player control over it so it must be a pretty extensive mod

[blissful minnow]

Technically I’m playing a half dragon that can become a dragon

[old sluice]

You probably want to take it to #baldurs-gate-3-spoilers or #non-dnd-topics

[glass granite]

Yeah, it ain’t considered dnd

[blissful minnow]

I forgot, sorry, I just need a metallic or chromatic dragon

[glass granite]

Chromatic, idk

[blissful minnow]

But which one….. lol

[cinder timber]

hello

[blissful minnow]

Hola

[knotty pasture]

Play as a red dragon

[stray atlas]

chromatics are the ones related to tiamat right?

[old sluice]

Yes

[next crypt]

Hello

[red steppe]

Said spiders are venomous too

[old sluice]

Yeah but they're giant so it's not a dangerous venom

The rule is generally that the bigger the animal, the less deadly the venom

[reef tundra]

Biology is strange

[old sluice]

Big scorpions are less dangerous than small ones, you know. Same for spiders. Deadliest octopus? The extremely small blue-ringed one

[reef tundra]

Oooh I know of them damn blue ringed octopi

[glass granite]

Not if it’s magical

And, well, Australia definitely isn’t normal

[reef tundra]

Magiiic

[reef tundra]

It has been touched by the abyss, hence why demons live there

Australians and Drow are both people from “down under”

[old sluice]

Well except for the fact that australians are humans and are not usually part of a murder cult-led society

That's a pretty big distinction I think

[glass granite]

One of those is correct

[karmic eagle]

gomornin

[glass granite]

Goevenin

[old sluice]

And drows can live to a thousand, which is not the case for australians.

[reef tundra]

Well all I said is that they’re both from “down under” I never said any more similarities

[reef tundra]

Hmmm, you sure? /silly

[karmic eagle]

why not?

[still grail]

hello

[karmic eagle]

elloing

[reef tundra]

Mornin

[glass granite]

Goooooood morning afternoon evening, Wahzzup!

[still grail]

probably not if i had to guess

[reef tundra]

You’re just waiting for someone to say “I’m” aren’t you? -.-

[old sluice]

Hi aren't you, I'm Slimmy

[karmic eagle]

what yall upto this fine mornin

[reef tundra]

DAMN IT /lh

[still grail]

well honestly if you think about it at the end of the movie he made a big change, if you ask me i think that obi wan was still the worst part

[old sluice]

What?

[glass granite]

Nah, I’m trying to expand my arsenal.
For example

No, I’m not Just Waiting For Someone To Say I’m Aren’t You, I’m Nugget. You’ve known me for this long, and you still don’t know my name?

[reef tundra]

Imma keep us on topic. Uhhh… Bahamut

[old sluice]

Wrong channel? Wrong server?

[still grail]

be serious, anakin is top 10 charecters of all time

[glass granite]

Yeahhh go to #non-dnd-topics

[reef tundra]

I keep confusing his name with Baphomet

[old sluice]

A mistake that would annoy both of them

[glass granite]

Btw, you got so close to letting me dad joke you there.

Anywho, what’s your favourite silly NPC you’ve had in your game? Either as a player or DM.

[still grail]

in the last moments of his life he decided to go through more pain to save his only son

[glass granite]

Off topic, plz go elsewhere

[remote glacier]

hi I am new to dnd so can someone tell me how the time works like how to measure time for long rests/short rests etc

[still grail]

ohhhh shit mb dawg

[old sluice]

Dude. Wrong channel, wrong server

[glass granite]

-# gasp, prey
Hi new to dnd, I’m Nugget. In all seriousness, a long rest takes 8 hours and a short rest takes 1.

[rotund shell]

Long Rests are 8 hours period, short rests are 1 hour period. This is found in the PHB

[old sluice]

I tend to kill silly NPCs on sight.

[glass granite]

Oh cmon

What did they ever doooo?

[old sluice]

They exist. This justifies their death.

Same goes with everything in the universe

[glass granite]

How about stuff outside of the universe?

[remote glacier]

okay and how do we know the 8 hrs have been completed or not

[old sluice]

There is no stuff outside the universe. The definition of "universe" is the totality of things that exist

[glass granite]

Well, there’s between fiction and non-fiction
Like IRL and your DnD world

[old sluice]

The DM just says the eight hours are done? I'm not sure I know what you're asking

[paper hamlet]

Good silly npcs exist

[remote glacier]

alright thanks

[old sluice]

The DnD world exists in the books and in my mind. Both are part of the universe, therefore it is part of the universe

[past blaze]

The DM says the 8 hours pass without saying you get interrupted or anything. How else would the 8 hours be resolved? It's not IRL time.

[remote glacier]

Fair enough

[old sluice]

I have yet to see one

[glass granite]

Maybe cuz you kill them all

[paper hamlet]

My dm made a silly caracter named steve, he was a goofy magician with the habit of talking to himself totally out of the discussion. Later he was the bbeg because my party basically nuked his village. The caracter was silly and goofy, yes, but once he had everything he wanted, we took him very seriously

[reef tundra]

#dnd-newcomers is much better for learning

[old sluice]

Pretty sure he was the hero and you were the bbegs

[reef tundra]

The “retired” arch hag named Salo Kar, who literally just followed the players and kept setting up her shop wherever they went

However, she kept using currencies of neighbouring kingdoms, or asking for silly things as payment, like tears, or a toe nail clipping. At one point even asked for just a whole toe nail

[paper hamlet]

Maybe, I mean for him we were the bad guys, that's true. But for us he was the bad guy, so... I dunno

[old sluice]

You nuked his village.

[reef tundra]

Nuking his village was kind of evil

Even my BBEG, the god defier, would be horrified at such an action without proper justification

[old sluice]

There is no ambiguity here

[paper hamlet]

His village was infected by a zombi disease like in resident evil, we were afraid

[old sluice]

That's no reason to nuke it. Those are zombies, there's no reason to be afraid of zombies

[remote glacier]

Okay thanks

[old sluice]

They're like a comfort monster. Get some radiant damage. Nail one to a wall and use it for target practice

[paper hamlet]

I would be 100% on your side if they were ordinary dnd zombies, but our dm like when his monsters are creepy and/or dangerous (if there is a reason for them to be) so no, we didn't wabted to be close the more of 5 of these

[dense flax]

Moost zombie are unaffected by the radiation of nukes soo it might hurt more than it helps

[old sluice]

Well when you put it like that...

... Your DM made you do an Arthas

[stray atlas]

been wondering

is there a spider god of some sort?

[snow agate]

what class would you actually want to be if it was you

[old sluice]

Lolth. Probably a few others

[stray atlas]

oh lolth is a spider?

[old sluice]

Miska is a demon lord but he counts.

[snow agate]

yeah shes spider lady

[stray atlas]

I just assumed she liked spider webs

[old sluice]

And an elf, and a demon, and a goddess

[stray atlas]

for context my only interaction with lolth and drow at all is in bg3

[rotund shell]

Lolth is the goddess of spiders and the drow, yes.

She is also technically a Demon Lord (by the definition of "a controller of a layer of the Abyss")

Miska the Wolf-Spider is a demon "god" who happens to be a spider too, but he doesn't have a portfolio, and I'm like 90% sure he's dead.

[stray atlas]

actually this reminds me

[wet trail]

justice for miska

[stray atlas]

do any races other than the drow and the

actually does the evil lady the gith worship count as a god?

that's a different tanget, do any races other than the drow have patron gods specifically for their race?

[wet trail]

duergar i think

[stray atlas]

duegar are akin to gnomes right?

[rotund shell]

Vlaakith is not a god, no. She has not undergone apotheosis, but the Githyanki can believe so strongly in her that they receive divine magic, yes.

[wet trail]

lol no dwarves

[rotund shell]

no, the duergar are to dwarves what drow are to elves

[stray atlas]

huh

[wet trail]

the underdark version of gnomes r ‘deep gnomes’

[stray atlas]

I thought they were a subspecies of gnome mb

[rotund shell]

Dwarves have Moradin as their patron god, elves generally have Corellon, dragons have Tiamat and Bahamut (and Sardior though he is dead).

there are plenty of patron gods of the individual races.

[stray atlas]

god I wish I could slap her in bg3

[stray atlas]

that reminds me actually

[knotty pasture]

They are a subspecies of Gnomes but they are also a standalone race in later versions

Like how Githzerai were a subrace until it was properly separated

[stray atlas]

do y'all think an obsidian dragon wanting to become the next god of gem dragons is a good reason for them to join a plot?

[rotund shell]

Githyanki and Githzerai are still the same species, they just differ in culture (which is manifested in their differing racial abilities)

[snow agate]

lots of gods are aside from humans for whatever reason

[snow agate]

this is a very big tangent

[stray atlas]

for more context

[wet trail]

sure why not

obsidian is a rock tho

[stray atlas]

this obsidian dragon essentially became a vampire in a plot involving a few quasi-deities

[rotund shell]

It's still considered a gem dragon

[stray atlas]

I was told they were gem dragons

[wet trail]

well gems r rocks i think

[rotund shell]

they're minerals, technically.

but point is: Obsidian dragons are considered gem dragons.

[wet trail]

lol would that mean a gargoyle is their brother

[rotund shell]

No, because gargoyles are elementals of stone. while dragons may be elementally charged, they are not elemental in nature

well. not until they ascend to greatwyrms and manifest as their element, I guess, but they're still not Elemental Creature Type

[old sluice]

Not dead. Just locked up

[rotund shell]

Sardior was destroyed and shattered along with the First World

Fizban's Treasury of Dragons

[old sluice]

She may not be a goddess but she's the most powerful character in that game. No contest

[stray atlas]

still

I wish I could slap her so damn bad

[old sluice]

Uh? Was someone talking about Sardior?

[stray atlas]

yes

I was

[rotund shell]

oh I misread which message you pinged me

MY BAD! Sorry, Slim.

[wet trail]

mystra?

[old sluice]

... OK well, Mystra is in theory more powerful than Vlaakith. So is Shar

[stray atlas]

tbh mystra seems like a walking contradiction

[old sluice]

So Vlaakith is... the third most powerful character in that game

[stray atlas]

she looks pretty as all hell though

[wet trail]

mystra seems more powerful then shar tho even if shars her mum

oh yh what abt elminster

[rotund shell]

Shar, at one point in history, created her own Weave

[old sluice]

Shar is not Mystra's mother

[knotty pasture]

Elminister is just a level 20 wizard which means he beats the likes of ||Raphael and Sarevok||

[wet trail]

she created her? did i get the lore wrong

[knotty pasture]

Vlaakith is nowhere as powerful as actual gods lol, I dare say she's weaker than the ||Dead Three Gods||

[old sluice]

No Shar is Mystryl's mother. Mystryl is dead

[knotty pasture]

Most powerful characters in bg3 is Mystra, Shar, Withers

[wet trail]

mystryl merged with midnight and etc didnt she?

[old sluice]

Mystra's mother was an unimportant human peasant

[stray atlas]

myrkul jumpscared the shit out of me in bg3

thought I talked the guy down but nope you're fighting a literal god now

[knotty pasture]

No that's just an apostle

[stray atlas]

I did not care about the difference at the time

[old sluice]

No. Mystryl died, the first Mystra was her reincarnation but not her. This Mystra died. Midnight is a human woman who ascended to godhood and took the name Mystra for herself

Because "Midnight" is a bit of an embarrassing name I guess

[inner silo]

How do rangers get their magic?

[red steppe]

Does Mystra count as an antagonist?

[wet trail]

i always thought after cyric did his thing all 3 merged into one at the end

[old sluice]

No

[obtuse nest]

hey, im new to dnd. can anyone maybe help me to check if my oc would fit in dnd?

[old sluice]

#character-discussion

[obtuse nest]

okay

[inner silo]

Is the 2014 arcane trickster useful?

[old sluice]

Be nice to Shar by the way. Lots of her children are dead.

[knotty pasture]

Probably the best Rogue subclass

[inner silo]

Alrighty

[old sluice]

That might explain why she's so... Like that

[knotty pasture]

Mystra is a neutral force

[inner silo]

She just needs a cleric with revivefy

[knotty pasture]

That gives shit suggestions, but is otherwise not working for or against the party

[old sluice]

Considering the circumstances in which Mystryl died, that was not an option

[inner silo]

Big sad

[wet trail]

karsus was the first lolcow

[inner silo]

What about wish?

Can a wish bring back a god?

[wet trail]

wish is supposed to replicate an 8th level spell isnt it

[old sluice]

I would not advise trying

[inner silo]

It can kind of do whatever you wish for, give permanent resistances and stuff but it's dm dependant

[old sluice]

And in the case of Mystryl there was simply nothing left to bring back

[wet trail]

unless its a 12th level wish but mystra banned thos

[old sluice]

It's a shame. She was the only competent goddess of magic

[inner silo]

Just add a level 3 spell slot to your level 9th one

That's how i do high level magic at least

[wet trail]

diy magic?

[inner silo]

Yuh, just add your spell slots together

Ngl this is probably not real and too op but would be funny. Also give martials more stuff

[wet trail]

wait so if im a sorcerer and i twin cast two level 9 spells i get level 18?

how didnt mystra fix this loophole? is she stupid?

[inner silo]

That's not how twined spell works, at least in 2024

[inner silo]

You can just add a level 9+8+1 spell slots though

[old sluice]

That's not a thing

[inner silo]

Btw fr imagine if they didn't nerf twined spell in 24

Twined wish would be real

[old sluice]

If you twin cast a ninth level spell (not sure many are eligible), you just cast a ninth level spell

[wet trail]

sure it is if u study enough

[old sluice]

Twinned wish was already impossible in 2014

[knotty pasture]

Not all spells can be twinned

[inner silo]

Cuz sorcerers didn't have wish, no?

[pliant sapphire]

They have

[knotty pasture]

Can you imagine twin walls of fire to just lock down a whole room

[inner silo]

Ohh, i see

[old sluice]

No because Wish was not eligible for twin spell

[inner silo]

I see. Use wish to remove that limitation

[wet trail]

what if while u wish u just lock eyes on a target

[old sluice]

Great. Your wish fails. Roll 1d100 to see if you lose the ability to cast wish ever again

[inner silo]

"i wish to have our eyes locked forever" eyes of you and the person get bigahh unbreakable locks on themselves

[pliant sapphire]

"Mystra appears and says 'No, bye' "

[inner silo]

Mean Mystra

All i want is to twin cast wish, very balanced

[old sluice]

Seriously, it is a huge mistake to cast wish to do anything but duplicate other spells

In desperation, maybe

[wet trail]

gale must’ve been crazy powerful to bcome her bf or he was an industry plant

[stray atlas]

been wondering actually

[inner silo]

Aren't there other effects like giving you or your allies permanent resistances? Also isn't replicating 8th level spells with a 9th level one kinda trash?

[stray atlas]

are gods immune to this?

[old sluice]

Plenty of other effects, that you shouldn't use. Stick to duplication.
And no, it's not trash.

It duplicates any spell of 8th level or below and ignores material components

[inner silo]

Why not just use the 8th level spells slot on it or the 9th with an upcast?

[wet trail]

they prob have more tools at their disposal than a wish to use

[stray atlas]

10th level spell?

[old sluice]

1. no material components
2. you can duplicate spells you do not know, didn't prepare or are not on your class list

[errant stratus]

Yes

[wet trail]

yea if its mystra we’re talking abt

[old sluice]

Immune to what?

[stray atlas]

wait that was a joke are there actually 10th level spells?

[wet trail]

yes

[stray atlas]

the whole losing ability to use wish thing

[pliant sapphire]

You can duplicate ANY spell. So you can use resurrection without the costly components while being a wizard

[inner silo]

Ohh, it doesn't require material components? Now it makes sense

[old sluice]

No, not immune

[wet trail]

there r even 12th level ones

but u can imagine they’re pretty rare

[old sluice]

Bear in mind, some spells due to their wording can't be duplicated. Like dream of the blue veil

[inner silo]

There's one that like turns you into a god and takes 20 campaigns worth of resources

[old sluice]

Can't duplicate that one if you don't have the material components, even with wish

[inner silo]

Interesting

[wet trail]

didnt rlly go well for the last guy who used it tho

[stray atlas]

is there a list of these anywhere?

[errant stratus]

Pretty sure they are not ayer accessible

I dont even know of they are of 5e or of older versions

[inner silo]

Btw how do rangers get their magic?

[wet trail]

on some wikis for FR lore, they’re not in 5e

[errant stratus]

You know druids? Like that but worse, and i guess a lot of training

[old sluice]

In 2014 by getting to level 2

[wet trail]

they’re called epic spells

[inner silo]

I mean, do they train for them, do they get them from speaking to trees too much, from a druid teaching them?

[inner silo]

Are there rare ones too?

[old sluice]

Same way druids do I guess. A ranger is kind of a hybrid of druid and fighter

[wet trail]

yeah they’re coloured blue in the menu screen

[inner silo]

How do druids get them?

[old sluice]

So I'd guess any answer that would be appropriate for a druid would be for a ranger

[inner silo]

What about legendary?

[wet trail]

pretty rare man ur gna have to upgrade ur item discovery

[rotund shell]

Rangers get their magic by their own connection to nature. They live among it enough that they've learned to walk in step, much like a druid does.

[inner silo]

I see, alrighty

[rotund shell]

Though I flavor quite a few ranger spells as being "little tricks" they've picked up, whether from others or by their own invention.

[old sluice]

One other spell where it's kind of useless to duplicate it with wish: Teleportation circle

You still need to draw the circle on the ground, even with wish. So using it with wish does save you maybe a bit of time, and the rare inks and chalks. But you still need to have ink or chalk on you to draw

... Or maybe you could, like, use your sword to carve it on the dirt?

[tawny axle]

Or items with some "legendary" past story

[wet trail]

like the poo scraper from bg3

[tawny axle]

Tell me about that😳

[wet trail]

its a knife u find in a coffin in someones basement

it used to belong to a quasit named shovel

the description is smth like “the abyss isnt the darkest place this knife has seen”

[tawny axle]

XD...

The question, he get hurted?

[wet trail]

depends on the quasit

[next crypt]

Kind of underwhelming that a legendary horror like the tarasque, extinction manifest, is such a weak thing to face if you know the mechanics of the game, especially in comparison to other BBEG's like Vecna, Tiamat, Demogorgon or Orcus

[wet trail]

tarrasque as a bbeg seems underwhelming tbh, its more of a weapon so ig thats why its weaker compared to the others

[fluid junco]

Hello

[remote glacier]

wsp

[fluid junco]

Am good

[remote glacier]

okay

[opaque bluff]

....absorb elements and vortex warp were removed from artificer?

[rotund shell]

while the 5e one is absolutely a disappointment, you have to remember that the goal of most Tarrasque encounters isn't to kill the Tarrasque... it's to stop it from wreaking havoc by destroying whatever village/town/city the players deemed important to themselves.

[old sluice]

It's not really a big deal. The tarrasque isn't there to challenge high level players with potential death. Of course they can kill it, what matters is the destruction it wrecks and how long it takes them to kill it

The tarrasque is really not meant to be an active threat. It's a large animal that roars and stomps around with no malice. Avoid it, evacuate, kill it. But there is no story around it, not inherently.

Good Godzilla movies are not about Godzilla, you know?

[still plover]

Or in the latest Superman movie. There's a monster, it's dangerous to regular folk but not really to the heroes.

[old sluice]

Not every Superman villain needs to be Doomsday or Zod, yeah

[limber trail]

Plus, if you’re underwhelmed with the lethality of it, start modding it. Add new damage types, more dice, more health, scarier abilities

Give it an attack where it picks up a house and throws it 600ft or something, just to disrupt the typical strats players might try

[old sluice]

If I really want a world-destroyer that can kill PCs and flatten civilisations, I use Tiamat.

[knotty pasture]

Throwing a random prompt out there I had as I'm planning out my latest character now

[limber trail]

plus, if your tarrasques aren’t scary, use them at lower levels. Level 20 players might not be scared. Level 15 players will be.

[old sluice]

To be fair, at level 15, you still might be able to solo the tarrasque without taking damage if you prepare well

[cinder timber]

Use King Ghidorah too

[knotty pasture]

The captain of a ship in a coastal garrison who's a Paladin, would this concept work

[limber trail]

It requires a very specific build designed to beat a tarrasque, and a DM who’s unwilling to improvise a very plausible ranged attack

[knotty pasture]

It should probably go in #character-discussion but just throwing it out here now

[cinder timber]

why not?

[knotty pasture]

It doesn't feel very level 1-like

[cinder timber]

mind if I get your DM opinion?

[knotty pasture]

The captain thing came from me wanting to assign the soldier background

[glass granite]

No, it doesn’t

[cinder timber]

That's true. Maybe a lowwer rank or captain of a tiny squad and make being captain of garrison a goal

[glass granite]

Or unofficial captain. Only in name

[knotty pasture]

Good thinking

[old sluice]

Or not a captain at all.

Earn it later. During the game

[knotty pasture]

That works too, but outside of aquatic campaigns it may be hard to justify this character

Why adventure on land instead of doing sea stuff in a garrison

I just wrote down "... unofficial captain of a one-man fleet"

[glass granite]

Let’s end the convo on this channel for now

[knotty pasture]

Yeah good idea its getting out of scale

[glass granite]

I don’t wanna be smited

[old sluice]

I have a weird idea... An NPC in the game I'm running is actually a serial killer. And I have been thinking about a way to reveal it.

Or at least hint at it.

[knotty pasture]

Have someone caught them worshipping some questionable god, Loviatar (a bit more subtle) or Bhaal (less subtle)

[old sluice]

There's a succubus going around town charming nobles into making certain political decisions. I think I can hint at what he is if he kills the succubus because she successfully charmed him. Because when he loves something or someone, his first desire is to kill it.

[cinder timber]

i've considered it too!

[old sluice]

Nah, he's an atheist. In the sense that he doesn't care about the gods

[knotty pasture]

Hmm

He would have made a good Bhaalist

[old sluice]

Now how to communicate it with the players?...

If that happens, and they find the succubus butchered, he'll just claim he resisted the charm

[glass granite]

Walk into the room as it’s happening?

[old sluice]

As he's finishing killing her? Yeah, could work.

[glass granite]

Some deluded monologue could seal the imagery

[limber trail]

Sure

[old sluice]

There isn't any way they'll reach the "he killed her because he was charmed because he loves killing the people he likes" conclusion though

Not by themselves

[dense flax]

If they go investigate the person you can mention that moost of the victims look like close family or friends.

[glass granite]

Hence why I suggested the monologue. Might not be the clearest, but it’s something

[cerulean cloud]

does anyone know of an all girl or afab party/server?

[glass granite]

No, but look around in #looking-for-community perhaps?

[cerulean cloud]

thank youuuu

[glossy otter]

Sounds like Toga from MHA's logic

[dry burrow]

is there a channel for dnd questions????

[dense flax]

What is your question?

[dry burrow]

So like I have this idea of a character, and I want her to start out like uhmm

Like she has magical powers (??) or sorcery when she was born and she’s like supposed to be destined to become a sorcerer but she decided to become a bard is it okay to do that kind of character???????

[dense flax]

#character-discussion

[dry burrow]

Ohh right right thanksss

[errant flicker]

anyone else slightly dissapointed with the new arti?

[dense flax]

I am disappointed whit the subclasses (they needed to define your build but most of them are just a bit weak)

[pliant sapphire]

New Alchemist is pretty good

[dense flax]

The level 9 feature needs a rework by my opinion

[errant flicker]

haven't looked at the subclasses yet, but they removed infusions which makes alot of things kinda eh, they also made it so you can't attune to any item regardless of species/class requirement and expertise with tools.

also it's not hard to be better than the old alchemist, was giga cheeks in 2014

also strangely enough RaW you can make a +1 antimatter rifle now, so technically speaking it is very strong if your dm allows it

as an infusion at lvl 2*

[dense flax]

all the subclasses I have read needed a small buf

[knotty pasture]

What's the book with the new artificer? Is it official now in 2024 then?

[knotty basin]

Yes, it’s called ebberon: forge of the artificer

[knotty pasture]

Oh wicked

[knotty basin]

For now it’s only available to dnd beyond subscribers :(

[knotty pasture]

Are dndbeyond subs the only people who know the list of changes to Artificer then?

[dense flax]

You can look on YouTube or if you know someone whit content share you can see them

[knotty pasture]

Bet, although it seems like they have a free public article

New artificer subclass is nice

[dense flax]

I like them they just need a small buff

[glossy otter]

i'm just waiting on re-animator artificer now to become official

[errant flicker]

gimme bio-ficer

[glossy otter]

that does make me think. Anyone got any predictions on the books of next year? My only thoughts are ravenloft and dark sun to start

[uncut zenith]

Those are pretty much the two books I can think of

Pretty much everything else we’ve seen so far in UA post-2024 has either been published or lines up with a hypothetical horror book or something at least reminiscent of Dark Sun

[crimson gulch]

im kind of dissapointed there has not been any announcements yet personally

I need a Good chonky new Forgotten realms campaign that can build off of some of these amazing regions in the new setting guide.

[glossy otter]

it's already been a full year since the last direct

[crimson gulch]

i dont think they have the same Media apparatus as they did before at all

so many new faces at wotc since last year, and many old ones out

a post on dnd beyond would be fine to announce things, everyone looks there

[glossy otter]

Agreed. I'm just wondering why nothing's been said yet

any large conventions coming up that anyone knows?

[keen valve]

How would you guys make a player roll for composure?

[crimson gulch]

Yeah, pax was last weekend

[glossy otter]

dang. that takes that theory out the window

[uncut zenith]

I mean, over the past couple of years they did a big “DnD Live” event near the beginning of the year to give a sort of roadmap of all the projects they’ll be working on in the following year, so I wouldn’t be surprised if we get another one this year. Plus, between the change in leadership and the relatively recent release of the 2024 books, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re just waiting out a bit before announcing what their next big projects are.

[glossy otter]

that makes me think. Was the roadmap for 2024 finished when they announced the 2025 line up?

[crimson gulch]

well considering that every announced dnd book (game books not novels or other things) are out now

[glossy otter]

fair, they've gotta keep the hype train going somehow

i just hope we get a full module next year rather than an anthology

[still plover]

Wisdom or Charisma save.

[crimson gulch]

Agreed, several hopefully

[keen valve]

I could imagine it as deception too.

[knotty basin]

Deception could work depending on context

I.e, NPC offends party member, but they’re trying to not look upset

[glossy otter]

the only theory I have is the venger/red wizards one because of the hints in the FR book, but i know I talk a bit about the guy so I'm trying to lay off a little on that theory

other than that, I don't know if any other hints or teasers to new modules could have been planted

[keen valve]

Or hiding your fear, masking your disdain. Though ultimately it would be more Will then, I suppose.
Which leads back to it being a Wis/Cha save.

[still plover]

I can believe that. Depends on how deep you want to lean into it, it could be a Wisdom save (e.g. vs 8+Insight) to try and keep your poker face, and then a Deception check with advantage or disadvantage to play it off.

[crimson gulch]

Going off hints is going to disappoint when you build up expectations, like with the vecna one

[keen valve]

Quite.

[glossy otter]

yeah, Vecna was a missed opportunity situation. Though I suppose with the former it was more just their presence raher than a plot unfurling so I suppose my expectations haven't been raised too much

[brisk frigate]

what if monks had a 1d10 hit die

[knotty basin]

No, they’re supposed to be super agile but frail

[still plover]

Take the Tough feat if you need more HP.

[brisk frigate]

from my experience I have seen 4 monk players and every time they roll to hit it is like they are rolling a d10 instead of d20
I guess that's why i want them to be less frail
like they usually hit like once every two or three turns (with flurry of blows!)
and it just feels weird

[uncut zenith]

The only hope I really have is the same I’ve had for years: full adventure modules to accompany new setting guides

[still plover]

It's just the dice. They have the same odds as everyone, don't worry. Monk damage tends more towards the average because they tend to roll more attacks at lighter damage than single big hits.

[uncut zenith]

I’m not holding out on said hope, but a man can dream

[brisk frigate]

it just makes monk feel weak to me, since I never saw one perform well

[glossy otter]

Itd be interesting if eberron got a full one

[uncut zenith]

They promised one years ago, but they haven’t really mentioned it in a long time

[crimson gulch]

thats wild, the monks in my games are unstoppable, Louise of the Luxon Guard in my Exandria game folds Dragons like dirty Laundry

[uncut zenith]

Yeah I’ve never had an issue with monks at my tables

[still plover]

Depends on how you rate performance. They've got abilities other martials haven't, defensive features, superlative mobility. A monk that just swaggers up to the enemy to apply fists isn't using their full toolbox.

[keen valve]

I had one do a backflip over a ledge onto the second floor balcony of a room above the balcony of the room they were currently in.

[uncut zenith]

The only time I’ve seen monks falter at my tables is when the monk just wants to focus on hitting the boss a bunch and not using the multiple other features they have that aren’t directly damage dealing

[keen valve]

They do not perform badly all the time, I promise.

[brisk frigate]

if you can't speed up killing the enemy in any way, no matter how flash or fancy your tools are you are gonna do bad

[keen valve]

Oh wait we're talking DPR?

[keen valve]

They can kill an enemy pretty quickly in some scenarios. I also wouldn't use DPR as a total judgement for how a class works in combat. It isn't just about the damage.

[uncut zenith]

This feels like a pretty close-minded way to look at how combat works in D&D. By this same logic, a healing-forward cleric, like a Life cleric, isn’t good in combat because they focus more on keeping their allies up than they do on damaging their enemies.

[still plover]

Open Hand.

Want someone to be clear to move out of danger? Addle. Need to open a gap or force an opponent into a huddle for an AOE? Push. Want to drop a big target to get dogpiled? Topple.

Your DPR is only part of your contribution to the party's combat effectiveness.

[humble cairn]

1. Monks can definitely do damage
2. This really is a bad take when you have really powerful Support classes

[pure zenith]

Hello there guys! Im artist and i produce miniatures! is this group good for sharing my artworks?

[uncut zenith]

I think you may have misread my message lol

[pure zenith]

thanks a lot val!

[keen valve]

I was going to say nvm because a Lich was going to come say something that would've been definitively correct. Take their word, not mine, I don't live here.

[karmic pendant]

#dnd-minis

that's probably what you're looking for

[lyric viper]

Yep #dnd-minis for minis and #dnd-arts-and-crafts ! Be sure to check the pins and channel description for the rules!

[clear lark]

I can't imagine the table this happened, beacuse generally, I have never seen a Monk played bad. Including my own.

[keen valve]

Tbf, you can play something pretty poorly in combat, that's just objective. Though if your attention is more on RP, then it probably has purpose for being poor and in its execution of being done poorly is thematically correct.

[burnt valley]

Is that like the best support subclass for Monk?

[keen valve]

I love playing characters unoptimally for the sake of RP!

[karmic pendant]

i'd rather say that's bad luck than anything to do with monks being bad

[burnt valley]

wait what fr?

[keen valve]

My cleric, for example, he can only cast necromancy and abjuration magic.

He never was allowed to explore much in magic outside of the domain of abjuration growing up, and barely knows anything about the other schools, and even in his exposure to the godly magic that would allow for access to these spells, he has innate trouble understanding and executing them consciously and without guilt.

Necromancy is the exception because it is literally his god's big thing.

[brisk frigate]

idk i have been told constantly that healing is mid to ok at best with a full on build and that dealing damage will always be better then healing and the only good time to use it is either when they are downed to insta pick them up with healing word or if you are that one cleric subclass that lets you use the max possible roll instead of rolling for a heal
though 2024 version made me consider it more

[uncut zenith]

The right healing/support build is just as effective in combat as the right martial build, even if the character DPR is low

[keen valve]

Not saying a full healing build could kill a full martial build, but it would take a while I presume, mainly because of how much healing they would be doing.

[uncut zenith]

This is why so many games (many of which are based on D&D) have “roles” within the party

Not all of the characters in a group deal a boatload of damage, but that doesn’t mean everybody else in the party is less effective

[pliant sapphire]

Clerics can be much more than healbots

[humble cairn]

This doesn't even matter, PVP is no measure of anything because the game isn't designed around it.

[keen valve]

Refer to this.

The whole of the game typically does not just adhere to combat.

[humble cairn]

The whole of the game is RP, because even combat is RP.

[keen valve]

Yeah!

[humble cairn]

Don't confuse "RP" for "social."

[keen valve]

I did not.

I think some of my favorite RP is non-social based RP. I'm really into thematic scenarios, yk?

Not even just, but also intimate as well as intellectual focuses on topics and discussion. Discussion as in discourse, not literal conversation.

[robust acorn]

Tavern Brawler says

Damage Rerolls. Whenever you roll a damage die for your Unarmed Strike, you can reroll the die if it rolls a 1, and you must use the new roll.

If your unarmed strike is enhanced to do an extra 1d4 and both are 1s can you reroll both one time?

[timid current]

That'd be on the dm; tavern brawler assumes no homebrew, so only the one die is rerolled as its singular

Bot an unreasonable ruling to reroll both, but there's no ability in the game that it needs to account for currently

[crimson gulch]

the enlarge spell gives you an extra d4 of damage, so thats not nesssisarily homebrew

[keen valve]

Does it actually say you must use it? Why's that a restriction?

[somber mesa]

I don't understand why WotC nerfed Plans/Infusions known for Artificer

[uncut zenith]

I don’t really see it as a nerf, even if it’s very different from what it was in 2014

[humble cairn]

What happened is that they are no longer called Infusions. Instead their former infusions were made into regular magic items that they can now create just like they did before. It's basically a name change, with the added benefit that now things like Returning weapons are added to the the list of magic items everyone can get.

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, it’s really not all that different than it was before. A bunch of the old infusions that weren’t magic item replications were either turned into magic items for the purpose of replicating, or the features granted by said magic items were turned into Artificer class/subclass features.

Or in the case of Homunculus Servant, got turned into a spell instead.

[inner silo]

Is ruby of war mage good on arcane trickster 2014?

[stable solar]

What are yalls thoughts on doing campaigns entirely solo, dm and party

[somber mesa]

I don't care about the name change, I care that the maximum known (not active) went down

[stable island]

I am told this is called "writing a book"

But in all seriousness: One-player campaigns can be good if you're willing to surprise yourself and go with what the dice tell you.

[crimson gulch]

all of my high level artificers lost track of how many they had past 6, and i have had artificers in level 20 campains 3 times, this is fine

[delicate cypress]

Hello

[humble cairn]

Huh, you know I hadn't noticed that but how often are you switching up your infusions and using .. 12 .. different infusions over the course of a game?

[inner silo]

@humble cairn is ruby of the war mage good on a 1/3 caster without a focus in their base?

[crimson gulch]

Rogues usually have a hand free so its not a big deal i would say for the ruby

[somber mesa]

When i was playing Artificer, I had 2 or 3 I would always use and the rest would be niche stuff that I prepared based on scenario

[humble cairn]

Are you specifically building a sword&board character?

[inner silo]

No, a rapier/crossbow one

[humble cairn]

Then I wouldn't waste a magic item choice on that, just get a component pouch.

[somber mesa]

Darn, I didn't realize other people were having a hard time tracking 12 infusions known.

It felt much easier to track than Druid wild shape or prepared spell casting in general to me

[inner silo]

Alrighty.

[uncut zenith]

The other reason I don’t mind Artificers having less available “plans” now is because they have features that allow them do things destroy one for a returned spell slot. Now that you have less Plans, it makes the decision to burn one to regain a spell slot more impactful

[crimson gulch]

they mostly just locked in their build and the rest did not matter

[uncut zenith]

I think the Plans are also built a little more around the Artificer using the Magic items, not so much them sharing said Magic items.

Like you can share your replicated items, but the idea seems to feel more like Artificer gets priority when it comes to using them, whereas in 2014 Artificers could make more infused items and spread them out across the entire party and hold onto a couple of items that exclusive to them

[somber mesa]

The amount of plans active stays the same, it's the amount that they can choose from when selecting which ones are active for the day is lower.

[uncut zenith]

That’s still not a bad thing imo

Especially considering that list will grow as more magic items are introduced into the game

[robust acorn]

In my campaign we use bonus actions for using healing potions. Is it possible to have a baboon familiar summoned from find familiar to use its bonus action to give you a potion?

[uncut zenith]

Because often times you can just replicate any Common/Uncommon items available, so as more of those items because available in the game, the more options will be available to pick from.

[knotty basin]

Sure, but why not just use it from your inventory?

[somber mesa]

The list of magic items that they can choose from to decide what they know grows, and the amount active stays the same, but the amount they actually know is lower.

[knotty basin]

Also a baboon can’t carry that many potions

[somber mesa]

It's more akin to reducing how many spells a wizard has in their spell book without changing how many they can prepare and constantly adding more to the overall list.

[umbral girder]

I am guessing this is 2014 rules?

Since it is specified for the bonus action healing potions in your group.

Unless you mean 2024 then all potions are bonus actions.

I suppose it’s a matter if the version of find familiar has any restrictions on magic item use

[uncut zenith]

Again, I don’t really see an issue, but to each their own

[crimson gulch]

prepared spells are no longer tied to abilitie scores eather and are a set number per level, so this has had some changes too

[somber mesa]

There's effectively 3 lists. It's the second list that got reduced while the 3rd stayed the same.

• The magic items that an Artificer can choose to know
• The magic items that an Artificer knows
• The magic items that an Artificer has active from the known list

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, it seems to be kind of a universal design choice that doesn’t seem like a big deal to me

[somber mesa]

The wizard was just meant to be an example of another class with effectively 3 different lists to keep in mind, not the exact numbers per list. The class spell list, the spells in their spellbook, and the spells they actually prepared from their spellbook. Artificers' Replicate Magic Item is like that, where they have a list of items they can choose to know, the items they know, and the items they have active from the known list.

[loud tendon]

@frail lintel please do not randomly ping users who are not actively speaking in the channel.

[uncut zenith]

I don’t think it’s a specific calculation, it’s just more are available as you level up

[old sluice]

Generally it was class level + attribute modifier

Not gonna lie, I kind of prefer that.

[crimson gulch]

its on each class level up chart as a fixed number in the new rules

[robust acorn]

Say I go down or if I want to flurry.

[somber mesa]

But yeah, I find it weird that WotC nerfed list 2 without touching list 3 (need to do a side-by-side comparison for list 1)

1. The magic items that an Artificer can choose to know
2. The magic items that an Artificer knows
3. The magic items that an Artificer has active from the known list

[viral kraken]

looking at it, almost assuredly not a simple formula bts

gives more per level early, fewer later

[crimson gulch]

its less punishing to have a low spellcasting stat now, which i am going to experiment with in my next hardcore 3d6 campaign

[viral kraken]

which class, i was looking at sorcerer

[loud stump]

Hello everyone

[viral kraken]

hello!

[loud stump]

What are y'all's favorite classes

[viral kraken]

i love rogue personally

fighter and wizard are cool too

[loud stump]

Fancy

[old sluice]

You know I half expected to find a heated conversation on automation and stuff

It's been like this often those last few days

[pearl hedge]

arcane trickster rogue

[viral kraken]

makes sense, they are very magical

[shy stirrup]

Fighter! 💪

[pearl hedge]

fighter is a bit basic let's be real; but sorcerers or warlocks are awesome

paladin is cool

[viral kraken]

battle master is cool, it's practically a spellcaster

[old sluice]

Warlock? Monk? Ranger? Paladin? Wizard? One of those

My least favourites are rogue, sorcerer, barbarian and artificer. Oh, and blood hunter but that doesn't count

Wouldn't be caught dead playing one of those

[bronze wave]

That discount spellcaster

[knotty pasture]

How many level 1s in theory would it take to defeat a Wraith (CR 5 creature)?

[bronze wave]

In theory 1

[loud stump]

Noice

[knotty pasture]

What's the catch

[viral kraken]

i think the rng is the catch

[loud stump]

BONK

[knotty pasture]

Excluding extreme lucky scenarios ig

[loud stump]

cool

[knotty pasture]

7-35 damage melee attack that could drain max hp, ability to summon specters from dead corpses, 67 hp

[loud stump]

That's a lot

[bronze wave]

Well on an actual note I have no idea the lvl1 chars can vary in str and rolls. And idk the wrait block ngl

[old sluice]

I'd say a lot. If you get hit by the wraith at level 1, you're dead.

And normally my answer to that would be to battle them from range, but they fly. 60 feet of movement

And they go through walls.

[viral kraken]

according to this thing, 3 l1 fighters could do it https://battlesim-zeta.vercel.app/

no clue how this thing does its math tho so grain of salt

[uncut zenith]

Per the new DMG, you’d need about 20 Level 1 PCs to take on a Wraith. And it would still be a moderate challenge.

[bronze wave]

Also ya intitive, if the wraith goes before everyone they are all automatically dead

[uncut zenith]

That being said, Tucker’s Kobolds. With that many PCs, you could probably do a decent amount of damage against a single combatant before their turn even starts.

That said, when their turn does come up, there will be casualties.

[crimson gulch]

A lucky fighter with 19 ac and magic initiate wizard for sheild and true strike could solo a wraith if they were lucky

[old sluice]

If they were lucky, yeah

Sure, you can solo anything if you only roll 20s and they only roll 1s

[knotty pasture]

Hmm, thinking of ways to justify a single level 1 Paladin could survive an encounter with a Wraith like that in the sea as part of a backstory

[old sluice]

Give me that kind of luck, I can take Demogorgon

[crimson gulch]

I use wraitths against level 2 and 3 parties all the time

[knotty pasture]

I could just make up some silly reason like the Wraith retreating for whatever reason before the killing blow

[old sluice]

Yeah that thing is nonsense

[viral kraken]

ya someone showed me this the other day and it seems wildly different then when i just play out encounters as the party to balance stuff, but so does every other tool out there for that matter

[limber trail]

if it's in backstory, you can bend the mechanics a little. Maybe they had a few allies who died in the effort? They struck the killing blow, or a damaging enough blow to scare it away.

[viral kraken]

i think i'll just keep playing out encounters as the party to check balance

[old sluice]

Running away?

[uncut zenith]

Running away is always a valid option

[spring light]

whew easy week for my table, event is giving me something they want me to run.

i really don't like running someone else's content ESPECIALLY when i don't get to see it weeks in advance so I can really chew on it.

but oh well, i'll take a gift when i get one.

[crimson gulch]

i usualy design my quests to mean the fleeing is failure

[bronze wave]

They got dragged and nearly killed

Ran away

Fought one with tons of help

[spring light]

"He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day."

[uncut zenith]

A single level 1 Paladin is still running the risk of taking 21 Necrotic damage from a wraith, which don’t forget also decreases their HP max by the same amount

[crimson gulch]

whenever i got hired to run a con game they allways give me way to much and i spend 10 minuts getting it onto a post it note

[spring light]

my weakness is running content i didn't come up with.

or at least content i can reflavor/chew on

[shy stirrup]

"We're not retreating, we're advancing in another direction!"

[crimson gulch]

i have ran conbat with everything in the monster manual so im ready for anything

[spring light]

yea, but i'm a very narrative-forward kind of GM

I need a compelling reason for why they're hitting whatever they're hitting this week

"Go hit this and get paid" is so weak narratively.

but whatever.

[hollow stone]

you ever made your players have to defuse a bomb?

[spring light]

at some point, for sure.

[knotty pasture]

The context is that they're on a boat in sea, boat suddenly broke in two so the character was rowing their own boat towards it which is when they saw a wounded Wraith and two severely wounded people

I like Knome's take on it though

[crimson gulch]

so am i, i improvise that on the spot, urgency and motivation are key

[limber trail]

Wounded wraith, sick, done. It was partially attacked, you dealt the finishing blows.

[spring light]

i just dislike that the event hasn't even given me the material for what they want me to do on sunday.

[knotty pasture]

Bet

[spring light]

it prolly won't be till saturday evening, or the day of the game before i get my hands on it

but at least it's not the last style of event, which was an unmitigated disaster.

[crimson gulch]

ah thats just normal for my workflow, im not gonna crack open the new chapter of dungeon of the mad mage till i sit down at the shop for the session

[spring light]

i like having all my ducks in a row at least 5 day ahead of time, so i can continue to chew on it and present something i feel really good about

[crimson gulch]

ah, and in the next 5 days i got 5 sessions so each day is new

[spring light]

yeah, i just run the 1 weekly in person game.

my online game is paced and framed entirely different

[crimson gulch]

im running games for over 30 hours a week and prepping for under 2 hours a week on average

[rough basalt]

Wrote some more lore for my world

Now I'm in a dnd mood,

[analog basin]

Hello

[reef axle]

Welp the new forge of the artificer book is shipping to my house. Can’t wait to make another eberron campaign.

[analog basin]

I’m sad artificer wasn’t included in based 2024 edition

Since it’s quite an established class now

[spring light]

artificer has never been a "core" class

[rough basalt]

Cause it isn't a core class

[analog basin]

I get that but I mean if it’s meant to be a new edition or the game it would’ve been a nice update, otherwise for ppl who aren’t dms ur kinda just paying for the book to play artificer, again

[spring light]

old artificer still worked, still works

[umbral girder]

Idk if it’s really an “established class”

[spring light]

and ever since 3.0 when artificer was introduced, it was never a "core class"

[rough basalt]

It's mostly DMs who buy the books

[umbral girder]

It isn’t a new edition also

Literally just the game getting patched basically

[rough basalt]

Also artificer is always released in an Eberron supplement when it's added to a new "edition"

[bronze wave]

Paladins are tho 😼

[umbral girder]

Ok?

[rough basalt]

I put quote around it cause this time it isn't a new edition, but keeping the tradition

[spring light]

he's the #1 paladin fan, so a chance to brag about paladins.

[bronze wave]

^

[minor cargo]

My gut says that Artificers are really close to becoming a "core" class, kind of like how- yeah, like how paladins and even monks were later core.

[spring light]

paladin has been core for a long time

[rough basalt]

Another reason why it's not core is probably due to its complexity

It's a lot of word lunches and misunderstandings

[umbral girder]

Weren’t Monks and Paladins in the PHB since AD&D?

[spring light]

yuh

[rough basalt]

Yep

[umbral girder]

Or was this preAD&D we talking about?

[bronze wave]

I assume artificer wasn’t in core bc it’s kinda an odd class? Like it’s pretty unique

[minor cargo]

They were, which is why "core" might be a little misleading. But paladins used to be something you'd progress into rather than take a level 1.

(Actually, now I'm not sure. Let me double check that.)

[rough basalt]

Artificers as far as I'm aware only exist in FR and Eberron too

[shy stirrup]

Of the 12 core classes, only 1 isn't seen in 1st Edition

[rough basalt]

And they're pretty synonymous with Eberron

[reef axle]

Ye Artificer is kinda not a very normal fit in a lot of places

[umbral girder]

Warlock, Sorcerer, and what else?

Or were some of them supplemental?

[shy stirrup]

Excuse me, correction, two: 'loks and sorcs, yes

[rough basalt]

But yeah back then, Paladin and Ranger were subclasses

[shy stirrup]

Warlocks in 2e
Sorcs in 3e

[umbral girder]

What about Barbarians?

[shy stirrup]

Barbs were in 1e

[spring light]

what are we considering 1e?

[umbral girder]

I don’t remember Barbarian in my AD&D PHB but that could have been supplemental

[vapid bison]

Hey yall I recently decided to look into buying minis for my campaign to finally step it up a little so its more "immersive" does anyone know where Id be able to get some affordable minis?

[umbral girder]

Perhaps #dnd-minis can help you?

[rough basalt]

Most affordable in the long run would probably be getting a 3D printer and making your own

[spring light]

i bought a box of very cheap prepainted minis off amazon. they're good for generic "human" npc.

But otherwise I buy the ones I need individually from a shop on ebay.

[analog basin]

honestly ur best off comissioning a 3d printer in bulk tbh

[vapid bison]

let me check it out

[rough basalt]

Minis are insanely expensive if you want unique ones

[umbral girder]

Do what Gygax did, cheap toys from the dollar store /jk

[knotty basin]

Honestly yes

[vapid bison]

any recommendations of 3d printers to get?

[analog basin]

how complex would u say a subclass has to be?

[rough basalt]

I could ask a friend or my brother but you're better off googling

[analog basin]

and any advice on adding new skills to basekit classes

[old sluice]

I think the best example of how a non-core class becomes core is the warlock. It's recent

[knotty basin]

Use army men and pennies, etc

[spring light]

complex? Nah. unique, yes.

[rough basalt]

For example, the "official" Tarrasque mini is 400 dollars

[bronze wave]

Fr??

[rough basalt]

Yep

[vapid bison]

Yea quite pricey imo

[analog basin]

im doing a hollowknight game set in a custom kingdom inspired by norse mythology

[old sluice]

The warlock could have gotten completely lost among the hundreds of 3rd edition classes, yet it's the one that survived to 4th and 5th edition. Maybe neverwinter nights 2 contributed, but it isn't the only explanation

[rough basalt]

Most people that use minis ime have someone who 3D prints them

Like my family, my brother and a friend 3D print so they always have minis for their characters

[spring light]

i've spent probably. . . 150? 200 bucks on all my minis, and I've got something that's suitable for just about any occasion.

But i like prepainted

[vapid bison]

alr ill see if I can find someone locally who can do it ty

[knotty basin]

Sora, you do realize most minis are pretty cheap, right? It’s only the ones aimed at “collectors” that are ridiculously overpriced

[spring light]

this is quite correct.

[rough basalt]

I don't really trust the 20 dollar minis from Temu

[spring light]

most minis are relatively cheap because they are GOING to get banged around and probably broken.

[vapid bison]

thats not bad 100-200 isnt absurdly highh if it does cove rmost occasions

[spring light]

Mind if I dm you?

[knotty basin]

Pfft, 20$? I’m buying 2-5$ ones at most

[spring light]

yeah MOST of my minis are in the sub 5 bucks range.

[analog basin]

im thinking of making a guide for my campaign on some custom mechanics but im a little worried itll either be too plain or get out of handf

[knotty basin]

Mine are all metal, so they don’t get that banged up

[rough basalt]

I thought minis were like min of 60 or higher

[spring light]

...what?

even a custom print from heroforge ain't that much

[analog basin]

i.e for those whove played hk, i want to add a nail bounce mechanic

[knotty basin]

Where are you buying your minis???

[minor cargo]

If you search Amazon now for "dnd minis", you'll see boxes that have like... 50 assorted minis for like $50. I don't know if that helps.

[frozen heron]

My brother just bought his own printer to make custom minis

[knotty basin]

Gucci?

[spring light]

Scams R Us

[analog basin]

are y buyin gucci aaa warhammer aaa disney promoted aa figures or summin?

[spring light]

okay, if you're buying warhammer minis... i can see it

[rough basalt]

Yeah I think I'm thinking of Warhammer minis

[analog basin]

innit

[crimson gulch]

boxes of warhammer minis are yeah

[rough basalt]

Cause it's like 80 dollars for a basic Sisters of Battle set.

[vapid bison]

Honestly Im still looking for game mainly cause I just dont have time anymore I barely even get my weekends free but im willing to hear you out

[crimson gulch]

thats why i started 3d printing, i have thousands of minis

[rough basalt]

I wanna get a 3D printer but idk if I'd have the room

[robust acorn]

Can a paladins mount attack while the paladin is mounted? Speaking of the find steed animal.

[analog basin]

@spring light is giving my players a chance to regain spell slots after a kill too op?

[knotty basin]

Nope

[rough basalt]

Find steed has some abilities it can use but the mount itself can't actually attack

[spring light]

you want #homebrew

[knotty basin]

Depends on the chance

[analog basin]

ohhhh i cant see it for some reason on the tab mb

[knotty pasture]

There's a certain longbow in bg3 that allows you to regain a level 1 spell slot on crits, and that bow was really bad so probably not

[rough basalt]

Personally I'd avoid something like that unless it's like gotta roll a 5 or lower on a d100

Cause spell slots exist and are expendable for a reason.

[knotty basin]

Funny thing: a pseudodragon’s sting isn’t an attack (at least in 2014) so you can use it without an action as a chain warlock

[rough basalt]

Huh

[robust acorn]

That’s what I thought but I can’t find it in the players handbook. Can anyone give me a hint 2024?

[spring light]

...what?

[rough basalt]

I think I should finally do what I thought I'd never do again

[knotty basin]

Sorry, I meant in 2024

[knotty basin]

In 2014 is is an attack

[left tinsel]

How do you post in looking for players?

[rough basalt]

I should buy Strixhaven, so Silvery Barbs is once again allowed in my games

[spring light]

idk how the book has it worded, but i'm gonna tell ya if it's an attack i'm still gonna rule it as an attack at my table.

Though i also think familiars should get their own actions....

[burnt valley]

On crits? bruh

[spring light]

current d&d has all but killed familiars because there's no real need to have or use one. which is a shame.

[knotty basin]

In 2024 it’s just a saving throw within range

No attack roll

[crimson gulch]

huh? familiars get used so much in my games

[spring light]

lucky.

not a single familiar has been in my tables.

[crimson gulch]

nah, i have to keep swatting them like flies

[clear lark]

Not every table is the same.

[lavish flame]

yeah i haven't experienced any Familiar problems tbh. They're basically Help Action machines until they get caught in an AoE

[robust acorn]

I mean their mounts

[crimson gulch]

yeah, help action in combat, scouting outside of combat, blindsight with bats, cats doing all sorts of things

[burnt valley]

Really? How?

[lavish flame]

yeah idk. they're reasonably powerful given the level of spell

[knotty basin]

I thought pact of the chain warlocks could resummon on their familiar for free :(

[crimson gulch]

does not waive the mateial compotnet

[lavish flame]

nah they still have to use the Material components

[burnt valley]

damn what for?

[knotty basin]

That’s why I said I thought

[crimson gulch]

because the monsters get annoyed with the owls in their face

no one ever needs a familiar, but they can do a lot allright

[old sluice]

Mostly familiars are a good item dump

Just give attunement items nobody is using to the familiar. Feels better than wasting them

And if the item comes with the ability to cast a spell...

[crimson gulch]

ah, i never had anyone try to attune a familiar to a magic item, good way to lose things

[knotty basin]

Most familars can’t wield itens

Some can, but like… a cat isn’t going to be able to hold a wand of fireball.

[old sluice]

Of course

But then there are parrots and crows.

[old sluice]

If you're giving that item to the familiar, it means you were already okay with losing it

[crimson gulch]

some folks dont have that level of forethought

[cloud grove]

can a dragon count as a warlock's patron? im making one of the main villians in my campaign a dragon and i wondered if the idea of them having like servants to send after the party would make sense

[crimson gulch]

for sure

i had one players patron be a fork

[old sluice]

I gotta say, I thought it was an easy bet to make.

[lavish flame]

It definitely should qualify. There isn't a Dragon subclass for Warlocks, so they'll need to simulate it with another subclass

[old sluice]

It certainly beats letting the item stay useless in the bag or selling it

And if you give your familiar something like a ring that lets them cast lightning bolt, things become a whole lot easier

[crimson gulch]

i have defintily had people give the necklace of fireballs to a familiar and send them down a hole

[hot reef]

iirc there’s a line about flavoring the fiend as dragon fire instead somewhere

[old sluice]

You're still bound by the hard rule that familiars can't attack, so that somewhat limits your spells

[cloud grove]

what would u say is the closest? and the dragon is a blue dragon so should i just give said warlock like alot of lightning based spells?

[old sluice]

With a blue dragon, there really isn't anything that fits. Maybe fiend?

[hot reef]

Fiend has a lot of fitting things for a red dragon

[stiff rock]

Draconic bloodline sorcerer or drakewarden ranger may suit your needs better than warlock but yeah fiend would be closest

[hot reef]

Some of the fire spells could be swapped for lightning spells

[rough basalt]

I'm about to doom my future games /j

[old sluice]

By getting into hell and killing an absurd amount of demons?

[rough basalt]

by buying strixhaven so silvery barbs will be on my allowed content list from then on

[old sluice]

You monster

[lavish flame]

For the Firebreathing Dragons, I would do Fiend. For a Blue Dragon, there isn't a great Warlock Subclass that fits. I might suggest Genie for Djinn cuz I think that does Lightning stuff, but you're pretty SOL for a Blue Dragon Warlock sub.

[fiery nimbus]

what tool is responsible for crafting out of bones?

[umbral girder]

Depends on what you are making

[fiery nimbus]

Stuff™

[umbral girder]

Bones is a material after all. How you use the material is what the tools are for

[viral kraken]

making larger bones, clearly

[fiery nimbus]

I will make a tarrasque out of those villagers yet

[viral kraken]

lol

[fiery nimbus]

but no, i thought about minor trinkets

[umbral girder]

Maybe jewelers then

[lavish flame]

Depends, but for larger monsters I'd prolly call it Mason's Tools

[umbral girder]

Like if you wanted earrings or amulets of bone then that’s jewelers.

But if you wanted armor and shields then smithing is likely the way.

[viral kraken]

ya they are metal

[inner silo]

Ngl clockwork amulet fire af

[marble lion]

These are hostile NPCs yes? You dont have to find a subclass. Just give them features and spells you want

Dont let player character classes limit NPC variety

[inner silo]

Give them the dark shadow alchemist class

[lean wigeon]

what are people's thoughts here on the idea of "circus parties" in their campaigns

[inner silo]

What's a circus party?

[lean wigeon]

a party of PCs composed mostly or entirely out of non-standard fantasy ancestries (basically anyone that isn't a human, elf, dwarf, halfling), especially in a setting where said non-standard fantasy ancestries are very rare or atypical

[inner silo]

Sounds pretty interesting

[lean wigeon]

e.g. a party with a kobold, minotaur, genasi, and a githyanki would be a circus party

[inner silo]

100% makes sense

[past iron]

Circus party sounds like a party of bards tbh

[stoic obsidian]

Bards, monks,fighters, and Druids

[inner silo]

People who struggle finding others of their race will likely bond together if they meet

[inner silo]

Also rangers, a traditional member of a circus

[torpid ocean]

chat if a raveloft game was made then what would the campaign of it be

[stoic obsidian]

Ranger is the ring master

[marble lion]

Barbarian for rage strength feats

The big muscly guy lifting iron bars is a staple of classic circus

[inner silo]

Rogue as the guy who robs the audience. Or mastermind rogue running the circus

[marble lion]

And magician because sleight of hand is good for that

[stoic obsidian]

Or throwing the knives

[marble lion]

Sleight of hand is 50% of tricks

[torpid ocean]

the monk is the dude who juggles everything

[stoic obsidian]

Tbh I am think about what species I want to play as a rogue

[inner silo]

Don't forget about the artificer the guy who made all of the inventory, the circus tent and the stage

[torpid ocean]

changeling rogue would go so hard

[stoic obsidian]

If the dm allow it

[inner silo]

Ngl magic users fit a circus the least

[marble lion]

I think they fit a lot

The only classes i dont see fit that well are fighter and wizard and maybe artificer

Ranger/druid for animals, warlock and sorcerer for flashy magic, bard for the crowd, rogue for sleight of hand and maybe knife throwing etc, monk for acrobatics and feats of endurance maybe, barbarian as a strongman

Wizard could do flashy magic too but i think the flavour of most wizards flows with it worse and charisma isnt their core stat

[burnt valley]

Illusionist Wizard

[old sluice]

I admit I hate those kinds of parties.

I firmly believe PCs have to be part of the world they live in. People who have a stake in the societies, the politics and the culture and who are a product of their environment

PCs should inform the world, I think. Not be exceptions to it

[uncut zenith]

I don’t mind it. Adventurers are already super rare no matter what setting you’re in anyways, so if they’re all playing species that are super rare I don’t think it’s the end of the world.

[marble lion]

They can still be natives

Noone said they dont have stakes just for not being the same race

[old sluice]

Of course but the stereotypical circus party consists of people who have nothing to do with the world.

[foggy raft]

Sucks when your friend is the DM and you get into a argument with him outside of the DnD session about unrelated things and they decide to be childish and kick you out of the Campaign server

[lean wigeon]

i can understand it. i definitely don't agree with that last part though, since PCs are supposed to be metanarratively different from everyone else on the sole basis of being the main characters and driving agents of the story

[old sluice]

Sure if you find a way to make it work, that works. The exotic species do not necessarily disconnect. But they often do

[meager fractal]

Would a multiclass warlock / cleric character be interesting? Have to play balance of power between their deity and their patron. Surely it's not optimal but I think it could be fun

[old sluice]

Sure

[marble lion]

oh right circus. i thought this was just about the species

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, characters who don’t make sense in the world are a no-go for me (which is part of the reason I’m hesitant about letting players bring premade characters into a campaign), but their species doesn’t really matter aside from a couple of edge cases.

[crimson gulch]

most of my players have an idea what their charicter is before they join the game, as long as its using the options i have greenlit its fine

[uncut zenith]

Like I wont let someone play a Warforged or Kalashtar in a non-Eberron campaign because their lore is so closely tied to the lore of the world that unless I literally just drag and drop from Eberron into another setting, they don’t feel like they make a lot of sense.

And i dont want to make Warforged just… robots.

[marble lion]

youd have to homebrew it

[crimson gulch]

i have had the ebbron book greenlit in a lot of campaings and never ran a ebberon campaign

[foggy raft]

Hey so I am new to dnd, if I find one of those campaigns on StartPlaying would it be best to inform the DM before I join that I do have a toddle and baby so they be in the background sometimes when we play? Or would it just be better to not really since I don’t have a seperate room for my pc?

[crimson gulch]

as a professional dm that is on Start playing, i would appricate the heads up, but having a baby nearby is not an issue, so long as you can mute your mic if they are making noise

[foggy raft]

Like I don’t want people to feel uncomfortable if I have to have my camera on an my toddler is playing in the background or I am holding my baby to feed him

[foggy raft]

Oh most definitely I have the Elgato Wave 3 I can just like tap it to mute it

[uncut zenith]

Id recommend talking to the DM of the campaign youre looking to join. Some wont be okay with it, but others might not mind.

[crimson gulch]

having a like, kid sitting next to you asking questions every few minuts, that has been an issue though

[marble lion]

id give a headsup and talk it through with the table

[uncut zenith]

You won’t know if you don’t ask

[marble lion]

and if you dont ask, and end up with people who dont like it, youll have a problem

[foggy raft]

Yeah that I would try to avoid and my girlfriend is usually good at wrangling her if I am doing that, I would try to select a campaign that starts closer to her bed time

[crimson gulch]

one of the old DMG's does say that getting babysitters is a best practice, and i agree with that as a Dad of 2 and a DM, if my kids are in the room i cant run my game

my kids are older, and would want to play too, but this is adult time

thats why my games are either after their bed time, when they are in school or i have left the house to go run at the shop

[foggy raft]

Unfortunately financially that wouldn’t work I mean I am hoping in a couple months she’ll start doing sleepovers at grandmas once in a while, she’s 2.5 yrs, trust me, me and my girlfriend would love a reliable bay sitter so we could have late nights again

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, taking care of kids mid-session is harder on the DM than on players imo. DMs already have to focus on running a session, I imagine wrangling kids while you do so is tough

[torpid ocean]

DMing kids is the true pain of DnD

[crimson gulch]

yeah im a full time stay at home dad, i need my DND games to be for adults as i need there to be a difference in the two parts of my day

[foggy raft]

Okay so I should definitely maybe just choose ones after her bed time, I’m on the east coast so maybe if I find a dm on the west coast that might work cause I work a 9-5

[uncut zenith]

Players can kinda shut off their mic for a few seconds here and there doesn’t disrupt a session as much as when DMs have to do it

[foggy raft]

Lmfao do real

She’s also at that stage where she can repeat EVERYTHING

Yeah like me muting my mic wouldn’t be a problem if I am not currently like my character talking or something

But I saw that some people want Cameras on and unfortunately my pc is in my living room

[crimson gulch]

yeah my sessions online at night are usualy <t:1764730800:T> or <t:1764732600:T>

and my kids bet time is an hour before that so i have wiggle room for issues

[meager fractal]

just got 3 spammers in my DMs from this server in the space of a few minutes. Wow.

[crimson gulch]

yeah they have been busy

[marble lion]

how do i never get these

[crimson gulch]

bots scan the chat for keywords i bet

[heady meadow]

Why does the notification for the meeting thingy immediately add me into the call with max volume (my phone is on mute)

[marble lion]

ive always been insanely blessed with not getting DMs from strangers to the point where i feel i want some

[foggy raft]

Your kids go to bed quick enough? I’m so jealous when I put my daughter to bed I have to read her line 3 stories then she wants me to read one of my books (Eragon, Percy Jackson and I recently found out I can’t read 4th Wing to her lol)

[crimson gulch]

also do you have dms from strangers turned off?

[marble lion]

this includes all kinds of servers and sorts of strangers. they just dont go for me

[foggy raft]

I don’t

[marble lion]

never have. unless a recent update changed this, nope

[meager fractal]

Just turned it off, which is a shame

[crimson gulch]

no, its a 45 minute process that starts at about <t:1764725400:T>

but its a routine so they go along with it

[old sluice]

I know a guy that bans warforged outside Eberron, tieflings and aasimars outside of Planescape.

Same for genasi and the likes

[foggy raft]

One time I was playing DnD with my ex friend and my daughter decided to yell at me”Stinky DaDa” lmfao

[uncut zenith]

I can understand no Warforged outside of Eberron, but no “planetouched” races outside of Planescape feels excessive to me.

[meager fractal]

Unless it's a theme campaign I don't see much reason to ban aasimar or tieflings.

[crimson gulch]

im running a one shot tommorow with everything greenlit. i got a centaur monk a tortle warlock a human sorcerer a warorged barb a Shadarkai fighter and an undecided player

[novel meteor]

Pre-made charaters into a campaign... what?

I missed something it appears

[crimson gulch]

im strongly against banning things from the PHB

if you dont own all the extra books thats one thing, but the PHB is the baseline

[stoic obsidian]

Soul knife rogue is interesting

[uncut zenith]

Agreed. Especially with the new PHB, where the species are written in a setting agnostic way that allows them to fit anywhere. Even if they’re more rare in some worlds than others.

[foggy raft]

Is there any books off of D&D Beyond I should buy before I look for a campaign in StartPlaying?

[meager fractal]

just the PHB i'd say

[crimson gulch]

the DM should be able to provide things if you are playing

[meager fractal]

then it strongly depends on the setting

[old sluice]

I'd recommend the PHB. I would also recommend not buying it on D&D Beyond

[crimson gulch]

not everyone uses dnd beyond, you may not need to buy any books on there

i reccomend having a physical copy of the PHB as a player thouugh for sure

[hollow stone]

yea i think, of all the platforms i've seen DND played on, people use Beyond the least

like usually it's either theater of the mind or it's a VTT like Owlbear or Foundry

[stoic obsidian]

Wait you can do three attacks with soul knife

[old sluice]

Depends! If you're running certain settings, some of the PHB species are simply extinct.

[uncut zenith]

See I know plenty of people who play using DDB. It’s just not the greatest platform for anything other than character sheet building atm.

[inner silo]

Finding a physical copy can be hard if you don't live in a big country. Also expensive

[old sluice]

Or unavailable due to the campaign's story

[uncut zenith]

Though I am a fan of how their Maps feature is coming along

[foggy raft]

Is that Players Hand Book?

[old sluice]

Yes.

[crimson gulch]

yeah, never played in a game like that, all the settings published for 5e by wotc have everything in the PHB and more

[quaint token]

How fun is Tomb of Annilation to run?

[crimson gulch]

if someone has the money to pay for sessions on Start playing, i have faith that they can find a players handbook

[uncut zenith]

Well, there is Dragonlance. Which says Dragonborn don’t exist (as they canonically don’t exist in the setting), but gives insight on how to allow a player to play one if they really wanted to.

[old sluice]

I very strongly recommend getting a physical version rather than relying on DDB.

[crimson gulch]

so much fun

[old sluice]

Probably one of the most fun

[knotty basin]

Agreed. We had a haregon in our curse of strahd campaign

[crimson gulch]

sure they do, the draconians are a huge part of dragonlance, its just a bit different.

[foggy raft]

Which version? There’s a 2014 and 2024?

[old sluice]

Damn I would hate that.

[crimson gulch]

the new one is what you should be getting if you dont have either in this day and age

[inner silo]

Perhaps. I'm playing in a paid game and could definitely afford a digital phb but our dm shares one. To buy a physical copy though it would be like thrice the price if not more

[old sluice]

But I think I kind of despise Harengons as a concept

[knotty basin]

It was pretty fun actually. They died though

[foggy raft]

Okay thank you so much, sorry for all the questions lmfao

[uncut zenith]

Well, the book itself says that Dragonborn as we know them don’t exist in the setting. That said, one of the suggestions in the book was to play a Dragonborn as a reskinned Draconian who found a way to defect from Tiamat and her forces.

[crimson gulch]

a DM on start playing should make it clear exactly what books they are using for the game, i know i do

[foggy raft]

I think my fist character is gonna be like a Bard Austin Powers and widower

[old sluice]

Normally a session 0, or even pre-session 0, should start with the list of material allowed

[lean wigeon]

i seldom ever play the standard fantasy races personally

[knotty pasture]

Half Elves/Orcs are also gone

[quaint token]

So sad

[old sluice]

And the list of optional rules that will be used

[meager fractal]

What ancestries/species come in the new Ebberron book? Warforged and what else?

[crimson gulch]

Exactly, its a bit different then the usual vibes but its doable

[uncut zenith]

Yep, that’s what I said. Technically Dragonborn don’t exist in Dragonlance, but it’s not like you can’t make it work.

[uncut zenith]

Warforged, Kalashtar, Khoravar, Shifter, Changeling, and I believe one other that’s escaping me at the moment

[crimson gulch]

its 5, you got em

[meager fractal]

oh nice the gangs all there, I thought they left one out

[inner silo]

Changelings and Warforged are fire ngl

[crimson gulch]

the real shame is that Warforge werent in Monsters of the Multiverse when all the other ebberon ones were