dnd-discussion

[slender mason]

they all share one sword called The Braincell

[old sluice]

Oh! Maybe they want to hunt down and exterminate people who defend using reverse grip?

[lean wigeon]

a competition on who can needlessly flavor rolling a d20 and weapon damage twice

[stoic obsidian]

I wonder how a subclass that can be used by any class by like if wotc ever decide to do that

[lean wigeon]

4e fixes this

[idle oar]

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[stoic obsidian]

…… so dnd is like ttrpg equivalent of Pokemon in the way of removing features over new installments

[lean wigeon]

pretty much

[ornate thicket]

Is there a DM here that could help teach me and my friend how to make a character?

[lean wigeon]

5e combines all the previous editions and takes the worst parts of all of them :3c

[idle oar]

The free rules chapter 2 goes over how to make a character. Also check out #learn-to-play and #dnd-newcomers

[ornate thicket]

Ok

[frigid plover]

Ive only played 5e so idk what has been removed

[lean wigeon]

anyway, yeah, 4e has something like that with their paragon paths and epic destinies

[frigid plover]

Isint 3.5e considered the best or smth

[lean wigeon]

that's subjective

[idle oar]

Every edition has its strengths and weaknesses - “best” is very subjective

[frigid plover]

Idk i thought i heard that before

[lean wigeon]

i would say 3.5e blows all the other editions out of the water when it comes to character customization

for better or worse, it puts a pretty big emphasis on buildcrafting

[sonic quiver]

the person you heard it from likely held that opinion 😛

i've played the most 5e, but I like each edition I've played so far for different reasons. I couldn't honestly say any one of them is the 'best'

[lean wigeon]

B/X is rules-light and forms the foundation of the OSR genre. it's rules light and puts a much bigger emphasis on conversational play and creative problem solving over mechanics and tactical combat so if you want something like that then B/X seems like a good choice

[stoic obsidian]

B/X?

[lean wigeon]

Basic/Expert

[old sluice]

For worse. For the worst

[lean wigeon]

back then we had two different product lines for D&D: Advanced and Basic

they were developed parallel to each other, but that kinda stopped with 3e

[old sluice]

I always thought 3rd edition was the worst D&D edition with no contest

[stoic obsidian]

Tbh I think 5e currently is balanced so far

And I am done with calling it 2024 5e

[exotic oracle]

Need a little bit of help

My friend bought me this set of d20s and some of them have this funny little symbol on one side
Can anybody tell me what it is?

[stoic obsidian]

Oh wait, nope not possible

[lean wigeon]

4e was the most wargamey of all the editions. If you like tactical combat and the idea of combat-as-sport and combat being generally presented as a "puzzle to be solved", then 4e's the best ed for that sort of play

idk what 5e is good at lol

i guess it's popular

[stoic obsidian]

I say the middle

[sleek cloud]

5e 2, electric boogaloo?

[stoic obsidian]

5.5e

5.2e

[past blaze]

oh no reverse grip...

It only really works for incredibly short weapons for a downward stabbing motion, and as painful as it is to admit, yes, reverse grip is absolutely awful in every circumstance other than a small blade or similar implement

[sleek cloud]

5e jr?

[past blaze]

5e and 5e legacy

[sleek cloud]

5f.

[frigid plover]

Whats 5e legacy

[past blaze]

I just use '24 and '14 for shorthand

[stoic obsidian]

I don’t like reverse grip, I don’t see the point of it

[exotic oracle]

Chat someone help me 😭

[frigid plover]

I didn't even know there was a 2024 ruleboom

[sleek cloud]

Reverse grip was only cool in approximately one game, and that was Star Wars the force unleashed.

[frigid plover]

Last time i played dnd was early 2024

[eager marsh]

lightsabers kinda bypass the flaw because everything is force enhanced

[idle oar]

Might be indicating the 20?

Who knows

[sleek cloud]

The new set came out later in the year might be why,lots of changes

Better quality of life

[frigid plover]

I gotta read up on it ig

[exotic oracle]

Can I dm you an image of it? I don't have image perms here

[vale sage]

I need some players for a campaign who wants to

[exotic oracle]

Me and my friend are so down

[vale sage]

Ok freind me

[idle oar]

No thank you - as a moderator I keep all messages here on server so everyone and the community managers overseeing me can ensure everything's above board.
But you can describe it or send a link to an image of it here (make sure to explain the link when posting).

[rugged hawk]

Oh, noob's alive again. Welcome back.

[thorn jackal]

Hello

[rugged hawk]

No one ever just says 'Hello'. Alright, what's your question?

[thorn jackal]

Ooh if you need another I'm game just got the new artificer stuff and would love to test them out

[primal wolf]

does anyone know how i can get the lost mines of phandelver maps on dndbeyond vtt

[thorn jackal]

Oh sorry just joined the server

[rugged hawk]

Uh, by adding them in the VTT with the map section?

You just... open the map browser and select the adventure you want maps from....

[primal wolf]

cant post images gg

[rugged hawk]

No one can, we're ruled by tyrants of Bane here

[primal wolf]

it doesnt have that. it just shows my uploaded maps, basic maps, and quickplay maps

[idle oar]

Correct but you can put the image on a reputable hosting site and share a link to it

still needs to comply with server rules of course

[fiery nimbus]

So, do you still need to roll to attack your own familiar?

[idle oar]

To hit any creature, normally yes.

[marble lion]

If they dont specifically let you hit them, you would definitely roll

[turbid vessel]

go the godzilla route: 5e minus 1

[marble lion]

If they are exposing an unarmoured spot to you willingly, its free

[rugged hawk]

There's Sources and Adventures sections in Map Browser for digital content you own that has maps.

[marble lion]

Could even argue autocrit since thats what you get on incapacitated creatures

[fiery nimbus]

Well your own familiar is kind of fully controlled by you

[primal wolf]

i dont see them can i DM u

[marble lion]

You could order it to hold still i think

Then its basically incapacitated

[idle oar]

Yes but it's still a creature and probably doesn't like being hit so armor class and saving throws will apply

[rugged hawk]

You don't see it because Lost Mine of Phandelver doesn't have VTT maps

[marble lion]

Unless you order it to let you

Then i think that would work since they have to obey

[fiery nimbus]

Lets say for example Warlock with the pact of chains wants to use their Dhampir bite to heal themselves from thier familiar

[primal wolf]

oof. Okay so do i have to make a custom one then?

[rugged hawk]

You could, or you could find one online and upload it.

Or, you could just use the basic/quickplay maps to improv

[marble lion]

If you order the creature and you have control, you autocrit in my books

[turbid vessel]

i don't wanna brainstorm the ethics of attacking a creature you can order to let you hit it 😭

[rugged hawk]

Astarion Cazador moments

[fiery nimbus]

me neither, i just want the rules

[turbid vessel]

i'd HOPE my players are at least slightly more ethical than cazador lol

[lean wigeon]

why are doing this

[fiery nimbus]

Dhampir Bite heals you if you attack the creature, i happen to be pact of chain warlock

im just wondering if I can activate it by draining my familiar

[turbid vessel]

i think like most things this is gonna be a DM to DM basis

[thorn jackal]

I don't think a dm would allow this personally feels like it would be too op probably would state your familiar vanishes when bitten or it tastes like burning ashes

[lean wigeon]

i think hitting your familiar is mean :(

[still bolt]

i am verry happy,,

[fiery nimbus]

I mean, is healing 1d4+Con Overpowered?

[rugged hawk]

I mean, if your familiar is an Imp, frankly it deserves it

[thorn jackal]

Agreed ypur familiar is your closest companion in my opinion

[still bolt]

i just figured out a way to automate damage over time and i will never have to track it ever again,,

[fiery nimbus]

Well, the character is evil

I am also using Summon Greater Demon spell, it is a pretty evil spell

But yea i was just wondering, technically familiars are a perfect target for Dhampir bite

[vale sage]

Yeah we need a dungeon Masters anybody want the role

[marble lion]

I thought you are DMing

[fiery nimbus]

I assure you, there are way more players than there are DM's

[idle oar]

Not the place to solicit/organize games - please read #find-a-game to learn how to use our Looking For Game channels.

[marble lion]

Thought

For future, looking for players sounds like you have a DM

[vale sage]

Ok

[versed copper]

is there really no bestiary/creature statblock section in this new artificer book? or am i missing it?

[olive carbon]

Wow. They just...didn't even bother doing anything to improve the Artificer and update it to 2024. They just basically reprinted the Tasha's entry with one new subclass and charged full price. What a disappointment.

[vast pelican]

Yup

And all the tweaks seem to make it ever so slightly less fun or outright weaker.

[olive carbon]

Yeah. I've been holding out for the book for my Artificer in a campaign I'm in for months because of the delay, only to now find out that this is the garbage I waited for. This is why I'm looking at other games to play besides D&D, crap like this.

[vast pelican]

I'm enjoying the '24 game I'm in, but when it's over I'll certainly be going back to '14 rules.

[lean wigeon]

no gnoll ancestry

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, but we knew we weren’t getting one for months now

[vast pelican]

It's actually kind of insulting that the level 1 tinkering feature is just gone.

And they've replaced it with "you can temporarily replicate 5 gp of gear".

[inner silo]

are variant aasimar good?

[crimson gulch]

No, the variant species from the 2014 dmg are not good

The printing in motm or the 2024 phb is much better

[stuck saddle]

Guys are the new dragonmark feats origin feats?

[rugged hawk]

I'm preferring 2014 over a lot of the 2024 stuff

[inner silo]

alrighty, i see. Thanks!

[stuck saddle]

No they just made artifcer WORSE

It’s defintely better to just play 2014 artifcer with 2024 subclasses

[inner silo]

24 buffed a lot of classes as far as i know, making the game more balanced

[vast pelican]

They slid things around a lot.

[inner silo]

so new artificer bad?

[stuck saddle]

Imo yes it’s a downgrade

[inner silo]

sad. Was hoping theyd bring my goat up from the slums

[crimson gulch]

New artificer looks fine, the attune to anything feature was prone to abuse and the capstone needed a nerf

[stuck saddle]

The subclasses all got better

[stuck saddle]

I would have rather they kept infusions imo

[inner silo]

well at least something

[vast pelican]

I understand that they removed the artificer's feature to ignore attunement requirements because they took it from rogue too but...why did you take it from rogue in the first place?

[stuck saddle]

The fact that the infusions are magic items now is pretty boring like item crafting is really good now without artifcers we don’t need someone that can make temp magic items

[vast pelican]

Rogue didn't need high-level nerfing.

[stuck saddle]

I really hope they make a fun rogue subclass one day I really wanna play that class but I dislike all 5 current subclasses

[vast pelican]

I want to play a scout rogue.

[rugged hawk]

I hate how there's no water sorc subclasses right now

[stuck saddle]

Ehhhh draconic can be a cold dragon Aka a water dragon

[rugged hawk]

ice* dragon

[crimson gulch]

I'm squinting at the new replicate feature wondering where the difference is

[stuck saddle]

Cold is sometimes just water it’s not always ice

[stuck saddle]

You can’t slap on some of these on existing magic items like I THINK you could put infusions on other magic items so you could combine the effects

[valid geyser]

I do just kinda hate that they don’t have a level 6 subclass feature

[stuck saddle]

Like putting repeating shot on a magical weapon I’ll have to check tho

[crimson gulch]

No, you could only infuse non magical items

[stuck saddle]

Me too like it’s weird that it’s 3 to 9 to 13 to 17

[valid geyser]

Such a big wait between the first and second feature is hard. Like yeah bards have a 7 level one and in 2024 clerics morale have to wait 10 levels but i do kinda wish they went the whole way with standardizing subclass levels

The sad part that I might have to accept would be that paladins would have to have a different capstone.

[stuck saddle]

I disagree I like how it makes each class feel alot more unique it’s just certain classes need it to be spaced out better for sure

Like barb is not too bad at 3 , 6 , 10 , 14

[rough basalt]

Rogues a very base class heavy class which is why the subs features are pretty stark in the 1st 10 levels

Like Rogues from 1 to 10 get Evasion, Uncanny Dodge, several prof and expertise, reliable talent, cunning action

[stuck saddle]

It sucks that that the first subclass level usually makes it or breaks it for me

Like I feel even putting the subclass ability it level 7 is a lot more enjoyable then 9

[rough basalt]

Level 7 you get Evasion which is why you don't get a Subclass feature till 9

Rogue sits in a spot where it's Subclass is more just extra toppings on an already full sundae

Like you could probably just remove Rogue subs and buff up existing features and it'd still function the same in majority of cases

Cause you just get stacked with base class features

[valid geyser]

Yeah evasion and reliable talent are pretty strong features, but also paladins get an aura feature at level 6 and then a buff to that aura a level later. I just figure it might not hurt

[past blaze]

"all rogues tend to be good rogues" is quite nice to be generally true, where it doesn't depend on a good subclass being used right to be good, that the class itself is perfectly serviceable and the subclass is the cherry

[rough basalt]

Yeah but other than aura, paladins base class is just being a half caster with strong weapon spells

[valid geyser]

But I will also say the subs themselves are usually not super game changing gen by their level 3

[rough basalt]

Lay on Hands is good, but most of your real defining features come from subs

Like every sub gets a unique aura on top of AoP

[valid geyser]

As someone playing a thief rogue right now and having a blast, I’ll say that fast hands hasn’t applied to me much yet, but second story work has

[rough basalt]

Playing a D3 Rogue and I may as well not have a subclass most of the time

[sleek cloud]

That’s why I was disappointed in it

[rough basalt]

And that's not a knock on the sub.
That's just how Rogue functions

[valid geyser]

Oh for sure, I kinda wish rogue subs for the most part kept the base class rogue idea of using as few resources as possible

Like you probably can’t avoid that for something like arcane trickster

It feels like most magical rogue subs have to deal with some kind of pretty limited resource

[rough basalt]

Arcane Trickster is one of the outliers.
It's a bit more active than other rogue subs.

Same with the psionic one

[sleek cloud]

If they just would’ve made it to where you regain a charge if your teleport attack kills the creature

[rough basalt]

But still it's like
You remove a Subclass from a Paladin, he basically just becomes an AoP bot

You remove one from Rogue and he probably doesn't even notice

Cause Rogues are just stacked to the absolute teeth with base class features it's not even funny

[valid geyser]

I also wish that the teleport guaranteed sneak attack. It doesn’t iirc so you might put yourself in a pretty compromising position if you teleport right in front of an enemy being unable to get out (unless you use one of your cunning strikes) for not much reward

[rough basalt]

Like all the features mentioned

Superior Mind that makes it so you have Prof in 4 out of 6 saves in total with 2 of those being the most common

Elusive so enemies can't have Advantage when attacking you unless you're incapped

[sleek cloud]

I also think giving them chill touch as whichever dead 3 god had that as a choice is incredibly tone deaf

Name one rogue that’ll do that over sneak attack possibilities

[rough basalt]

Yeah but on the other hand, it doesn't really mean anything

[valid geyser]

Man yeah also considering they made chill touch way more literal of a spell it’s just let useful for something like a ranged attack

[rain grove]

Howdy

[rough basalt]

Tbh tho, it is a cantrip for a God that is often aligned with necromancers

And the only other Necromancy cantrip is poison spray

[still bolt]

hmm,,

[sleek cloud]

I mean thematically I get it but like, I’d rather have toll the dead than that

[rough basalt]

Oh right toll the dead

I just ignore the cantrip

[sleek cloud]

If they already need int anyways then at least it might be semi useful and give a backup ranged option to a melee oriented subclass

[still bolt]

mmaybe i should automate damage reduction, , , like a protection score that resists a percentage of damage taken ,, ,,

[rough basalt]

I'd advise against that

[still bolt]

wwhy's that-?

[umbral girder]

Thats a lot of pointless maths, especially if it is a percent

Plus even 1 damage less can make fights againsts mobs of enemies significantly different too

[rough basalt]

Yep you change how the system works, the rules can't apply to you

[still bolt]

, , , ?

[umbral girder]

Overall its just a very bad idea

[still bolt]

i'm asking you to explain how though,,

[still bolt]

llike i don't understand this,,

[still bolt]

nnor exactly what 'pointless maths" entails,,

[rough basalt]

You wanna change how the system works on a drastic scale, so after that, you won't be able to use official materials

As the official materials will no longer be applicable to you.

[still bolt]

ccould you explain what exactly official materials include-?

[rough basalt]

Anything that's intended for 5th edition dnd from Wizards of the Coast

[still bolt]

i see,,

[idle oar]

You change the core rules and core rule expectations, then the entire structure of the game shifts.

[still bolt]

yyeah i'm fine with that,,

ccompletely, honestly,,

[idle oar]

And then it's on you to figure out how things work now that you've changed it.

[rough basalt]

Basically what you're trying to do is turn Soccer into American Football while keeping the rules of soccer

So you're gonna run into a lot of issues until you change all the rules into American football

[still bolt]

yyou misunderstand, i don't expect everything to magically be perfect the moment i make this change,,

i never said that either,,

[idle oar]

You certainly can do this - I think the rest of us are thinking, "That's a lot of work. And we don't think it's worth it."

But if you think it will be fun and make your games fun - go right ahead.

[lean wigeon]

what do you aim to accomplish with this anyway

i would also advise against any math that doesn't involve just simple counting, addition/subtraction, or multiplication by 2's because that is a significant overhead

[rough basalt]

Keep in mind that you really shouldn't advertise it as 5th edition with those changes in mind for recruiting people

[still bolt]

i don't really like people making these sorts of assumptions about me 😭

i'm not advertising to people either,,

i don't have a looking for group post, nor will i likely ever, since i have a server with a bunch of people,,

[idle oar]

I don't think we're making assumptions about you - we're responding to what you've posted with our thoughts and feedback.

[still bolt]

i'm talking abt sora specifically none of you else,,

[still bolt]

i think my main thing is like, the main issue with 5e not having it is 1) oversimplification that is inherent in 5e and 2) most of 5e is suited for tabletop, which is, as swordmage mentioned, is simplifed so that anyone can handle the cognitive load instead of having to figure out percent changes on paper,,

bbut i don't play on tabletop, i'm using a different system which allows me to automate things,,

[minor lake]

roll20 my beloved

[still bolt]

i was just mentioning a bit ago how i was able to automate damage over time and now i'll never have to track it ever again,,

[minor lake]

it's so nice

[idle oar]

It honestly sounds like something Foundry could handle fairly well at least from a tooling point of view.

[still bolt]

hhere, i was mentioning how i could probably do the same for like, prot, like how some video games do it,,

i've never used foundry, , ,

[minor lake]

what is prot?

[minor lake]

i used to constantly be scrambling to remember my modifiers

and now i dont have to

[still bolt]

pprotection, it's just a value that reduces types of damage suffered by a character by a percentage,,

[minor lake]

oh i see

[still bolt]

it's not something we really use in dnd because it's hard to figure that sort of thing out in our head every time we wanna play dnd,, which is why it's more common in video games since they calculate it for you,,

i was thinking of working on a thing that would calculate it for you in my games 😭

[rough basalt]

It's just how dnd has functioned

[rugged hawk]

It's also a fundamental balance shift that throws all the other rules out the airlock because everything is shifted due to it.

[rough basalt]

An enemy missing your AC is assumed to have either missed you or didn't land a hit that could be detrimental to you, like a scrape across armor or an abrasion that doesn't break the skin.

[still bolt]

i understand how ac works, , ,

[umbral girder]

Yeah one of those foundation things that makes the entire thing collapse if messed with

[still bolt]

i like, don't like it,,

i don't like 5e much either,,

[umbral girder]

So play a different game?

[still bolt]

tthat's what i'm planning on doing 😭

[lean wigeon]

what are you looking for in a ttrpg

[fickle heart]

Degrees of resistance is something I've considered myself, though the most desirable one is often the hardest to calculate of the lot, that being a 25% reduction.

[rugged hawk]

I forget: if an enemy is running away with their back to you, is that flat-footed?

[still bolt]

i'm thinking of working on a thing to automate that calculation :3

[umbral girder]

Not a thing in D&D 5e

[fickle heart]

50% and 75% are both easy to do in your head, as 50% is dividing by 2 and 75% is dividing by 4 (aka dividing by 2 and then 2 again.)

[rugged hawk]

Bah. gimme back my to hit bonus for hitting flat-footed targets

[past blaze]

well, 25% is just, calculate a 75% resist and then reverse the application

[minor lake]

technically you still have it it's just on surprise now

[fickle heart]

Aye, it's not much harder, but it does definitely end up difficult enough with larger numbers to not always be immediately easy to do analog.

I say 25% is the most desirable in the sense that a 25% reduction in damage is something that feels impactful but doesn't feel as "necessary" as normal resistance to work around in combat.

[past blaze]

yeah it'd just be "Ok, so what's half of that, then half of that, so that's how much less damage they take"

[umbral girder]

Notably doing 50% is literally just resistance and 75% is just resistance with some other damage halving effect

[past blaze]

not all too dissimilar to a save and resist, yeah

also, vulnerability being applicable as a 125% or 150%, and not 200% exclusive, would let it be applied much more without destroying balance

in fact, being 150% alone would mean vulnerabilities could be slapped around plenty, without being as absurdly disproportionate. Since Resistance only changes it by 50%, but Vuln changes it by 100%.

[fickle heart]

The other thing I'd find neat is effects caring about 75% and 25% of HP, to go along with Bloodied. Doesn't add a ton of crunch but adds a lot of room for effects.

[past blaze]

like a scratch vs mortally wounded

[raw ocean]

My character has become a drug dealer

He's one of the richest people in the campaign, but at what cost

[tough sandal]

Sounds like a conflict for the GM to introduce. :3c

[woven flint]

Prepare for the consequences of your actions >:]

[rugged hawk]

Give 'im the Equalizer treatment, a full course overdose of his own supply.

[woven flint]

Imagine the families you've made fall apart, you monster!!!

[rugged hawk]

Oh, please, everyone's always on about the children. Killing them is a kindness. I could retract that kindness if you wish, but then who's the villain?

[raw ocean]

Im distributing the drugs to corrupt nobles within an empire so they seem less trustworthy and convincable

So we can do a political take over of their corrupt government

But if there's crossfire, too bad >:)

[That's what everyone thinks, I just want money]

[rugged hawk]

You're the reason Mermaid Man wakes up screaming EVIL

[raw ocean]

Im gonna make my shape changed simalacrum run the buisness

then every time he gets caught, ill have him use his level 9 spell for some type of AOE/Explosion suicide attack

Then ill just make a new boss

[glossy otter]

i thought that was reserved for traumatizing wholesome characters XD

[turbid vessel]

i mean depending on the campaign, the more wholesome a character is, the more the narrative might invite you to challenge that wholesomeness

same way that the more cynical a character is, the more fun it is to watch them start to warm up to their party

[minor lake]

character arc, bb

[turbid vessel]

my number 1 advice for new players writing characters is "design your character assuming they'll be changed"

if you end a campaign and your character is indistinguishable from how they were at the beginning, that's a narrative failure IMO

[empty thicket]

that is why of many reasons why alignment is something weird for me

I wont deny that if its possible to be all the time changing, such like a chaotic good seeing that was giving more problems than solutions. Ending up changing to Neutral good.
Or some lawful evil changing to Lawful good.
You can make it some beauty narrative around it with small stuff changing slowly the path of such characters

[raw ocean]

Most people consider themselves to be "good" people but still do bad things irl

locking a character to one alignment is foolish imo

[compact nova]

I see alignment as the characters ideal state, not necessarily their entire being

[uneven lintel]

Keith Baker has a really good take on evil and good alignment that kind of sides step this whole thing.

[compact nova]

A neutral good alignment means that at the bottom of their heart, that character wants to be good, and make decisions in line with that.

[raw ocean]

My character Felix started out as an extremely greedy business man, Transformed into an helpful party member that genuinely valued his teammates, and finally became an force of good that has a more chaotic approach.

[still bolt]

iirc alignment was initially something to do with which deity you aligned with but was kinda, simplified, , ,

[raw ocean]

and he's not even done with his journey yet

Although he is leaning to a lawful evil side lately with the amount of corruption going on that needs to be put down somehow

[uneven lintel]

Ehat if good and evil defined the lengths you would go to achieve your goal?

Other media example - peacemaker. Peacemaker is evil because despite wanting peace he was willing to "kill every man, woman, and child to achieve it."

But his intent is to make the world peaceful which is noble

[raw ocean]

Im genuinely about to start distributing drugs into a country to weaken their populace and political standing, then swooping in as a "hero" and fixing most things

[uneven lintel]

The Eobard Thawne method of heroing

[knotty basin]

I forgot which discord I was in for a second and thought “huh?”

[raw ocean]

Mind you this country is very D&D racist and religious, and it needs new management....

Their leader is fine, it's just his council that needs to be executed

My party has already reset reality in our world so we have the upper hand

One council member has constant foresight and im planning on killing him through dream slowly

[past iron]

where is the channel that had the links to those playlists?

[stoic haven]

I live

Now that the Playlist is finished(?), I think it can be found on dndbeyond?

[glacial pulsar]

Which DND concept is more interesting?

Origami Wizard - wields magic to transform paper into awe-inspiring manifestations of elemental forces, mystical beings, and fantastical creatures.
Alchemist Wizard - Wizards that pursue the art of alchemy are experts at combining exotic ingredients to produce a variety of arcane effects.

[stoic haven]

Origami

[vague jolt]

Do the origami become flesh and get the stats of the creatures or not

[past iron]

I'm not going crazy, right? There was a playlist?

[glacial pulsar]

Not flesh, but you can control things as constructs made of Origami

I have a problem, tho I agree.
How would you choose between a subclass that's more flavorful and intriguing and sparks more inspiration?
versus
a subclass that's more mechanically stronger and makes more sense for the campaign setting and character story?

[stoic obsidian]

Tbh when start checking every door, question every person motives, I feel tempted to just say “Stop being paranoid and just open the door, we haven’t encountered anything that warrants this yet”

[bitter kraken]

First one screams bard, 2nd is an artificer subclass basically

I'd go with A

[past iron]

I'm starting to think I actually hallucinated a whole music playlist officially made by the D&D folks.

I can't seem to find anything about it anywhere.

[vague jolt]

Well would you be able to use anything to make origami like could you fold your clothes to make the origami if they held shape

[past blaze]

https://discord.com/channels/516367331358801950/1420058245606801448

closest i know

[glacial pulsar]

Just paper

[empty thicket]

i like the second just for mixxing stuff and all that, i find it more fitting for a wizard too knowing their power in concept come from their knowledge

[delicate owl]

Soooo, why did Artificer get no items specifically to boost its own spell save dc and spell attack bonus? Like if you don't own tasha's, you're kinda screwed as an Artificer regarding items that help them just do better. Even Sorc gets a Robe of the Archmagi or Staff of Power later

[empty thicket]

and make you capable of changing some spells in some ways or just being able to use your spells for making stuff such like potions

[rugged hawk]

Well.... okay then, welcome to the Cleric Club, home of delusionists

I mean, uh, upstanding religious figures who definitely aren't preaching Elder Evils to steal our souls 👀

[raw ocean]

Yall think if I give a horse intelligence and then teach it common, could it become a wizard?

[rugged hawk]

No, it'd just become a bard's next target.

[past iron]

I'm serious tho, I remember there being a channel and it had links to a playlist

[rugged hawk]

Yeah, that cultist of Ghaunadaur said he was serious about helping those poor enslaved people the Drow were forcing to work for them. Then he killed all the slaves to 'free' them....

[empty thicket]

Speak with animals spell is overrated i guess
Now seriously idk if you can give a horse that or not

[rugged hawk]

Even if you did, it would only end with Uma Musume

[empty thicket]

only if someone seduce the horse.

lets hope it doesnt happen.

[rugged hawk]

....lemme remind you of the hundreds of variant and half-species in D&D...

Really, it's inevitable. Let's just not make the horses sentient and capable of speech, yeah?

Also reminds me of the one time I tried to uplift a goblin by boosting his Int and Wis.

He then proceeded to develop existential dread, philosophize on the nature of too much awareness, explain just how awfully we'd ripped him out of his own society by rendering him so more capable than his fellows, then the spells wore off and he went back to flinging dung.

[fossil hollow]

Hey, at least he didn't turn mad, thats like, the standard way to get eldritch madness

[rugged hawk]

No, he definitely went mad, but it wore off once he stopped having his Int and Wis hyper-boosted by MAXIMIZED versions of those Int / Wis spells.

Once he became an idiot goblin again, he didn't have the mental faculty to comprehend the horror of his daily life anymore.

[fossil hollow]

Yeah, Eldritch Madness is like, when you still remember stuff from your encounter with a higher knowledge

and you dont understand it, but you know you did

[rugged hawk]

Oh, that. Oh well, he was just a goblin, anyway. They raided South Gate on a weekly basis, not like he had long to live regardless.

[empty thicket]

Wh...what?

[rugged hawk]

Well, we were constantly at war with the local cave goblins. As I said, they routinely attacked the South Gate, so I captured one and cast maximized versions of those Int and Wis boosting spells on him to attempt dialogue and possible resolution.

Instead, I accidentally gave him too much self-awareness, so he immediately realized his situation, went mad from the realization, and fell into existential dread.

Like I said, it was a whole Thing. Then I had to listen to this GOBLIN lecture me on philosophy until he became stupid again.

[stoic obsidian]

South Gate makes me think of South Park

[empty thicket]

bro gave self awareness to a creature, the creature was mad about it and your first instinct wanst like.... save him hte suffering? Power word him kill or smt, smash his head. Free that victim of your malevolent intentions

[vale sage]

I really want to start DnD can I get anything I should know before attempting my first campaign?

[rugged hawk]

To be fair, we were surrounded by various clerics, paladins, and other religious folks, none of whom made any offer to dispose of him, either.

[fossil hollow]

Communicate and be on the same page as everyone else

[rugged hawk]

Besides, again, it was just a goblin. We were going to splatter him at the next attack on South Gate, anyway. Let the guy have his remaining days.

[empty thicket]

Never giving agency to the players again, noted.

[vale sage]

What are the races you can be in DnD if I could ask?

I have a friend who is also new and wants to be a vampire

[fossil hollow]

id use Dhamphir.

as for what races

[fossil hollow]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/species

[rugged hawk]

If he mentions sparkling, shoot him. Shoot him until it stops being funny.

[undone fable]

origami

[stoic obsidian]

Goblin seen the truth, and you notice the goblins haven’t attack, but then you notice multiple fires breaking out, the armory is empty, the food supply burnt, and your pet taken, but you catch a glimpse of the goblin you gave self awareness then they disappeared

[hollow stone]

elves, bird people (aarakocra), people, short people (dwarves), big people (goliaths), avatar benders (genasi), lizard people (dragonborn), holy(?) people (aasimar), and unholy(?) people (tieflings) are the free species afaik

oh also short people (gnomes)

[vale sage]

I wanna be a dwarve mage so I can be like Peter Dwinklage

[rugged hawk]

Nah, the only reason we even let the goblins live anywhere near town was because the town was protected by high-level adventurers, mostly of the religious variety, along with some crazy arcanists. We could wipe them out at any time, but we let 'em live since they'd gather supplies, goods, equipment, and coins/jewels from the region, then we'd raid their lair to steal most of it.

[hollow stone]

i mean as long as you're not doing it to push evil views a table is maybe cool with that

[stoic obsidian]

Idkw but I am rooting for the goblins

[rugged hawk]

Then they'd make some attacks on South Gate in retaliation, we'd splatter their army, then we'd let them rebuild for a bit.

[stoic obsidian]

Are you sure you are good people?

[rugged hawk]

Yes, goblins are Evil.

Therefore, they're receiving their just rewards for being Evil.

[signal basalt]

what dnd book has all the monsters

[rugged hawk]

None, because Hasbro depends on you buying ALL the books to make their profit margins.

[stoic obsidian]

Isn’t it evil to money farm them, and not return the loot they stole back to the rightful owners, also you practically killing them let them live and rebuild instead of just killing them all

[rugged hawk]

It's the whole circle of life and balance thing

[pastel night]

Also, it is impossible to have a book with all the monsters. It would be unaffordable for most people to have a book that big.

Also, as time goes and more monsters are added to the game... what then? Release the same book with more monsters each time something new is created? It's just not feasible.

[rugged hawk]

Also, I didn't have 'malevolent intentions', I wanted to open communication to the goblin tribe for the purposes of possible diplomacy.

I couldn't very well enter negotiations with a splattered corpse, he needed to have a functioning mind.

[sleek cloud]

Ah yes,the negotiator

[rugged hawk]

I don't know what you're on about, a digital monster manual could hold tens of thousands of monsters if not more.

[signal basalt]

should i just go online to find the monsters since theres not a monster book

[rugged hawk]

Oh, there are monster books, they just don't have all the monsters.

[bronze wave]

I use both

Having books are convenient tho

[signal basalt]

i need to get every book for all monsters?

[fossil hollow]

Yeah

its a business

[rugged hawk]

That's how Hasbro makes their money, by spreading content across as many books as possible then overcharging for them.

[signal basalt]

i have the dm book and i have the players handbook which am i missing

[rugged hawk]

And if it's digital, you don't even get a PDF, only a link to online content they change or remove at will

Monster Manual

[fossil hollow]

The base Monster Manual

[hot reef]

There’s also some monsters in the free rules

[signal basalt]

is the monster manuel the last one

[rugged hawk]

Sort of, unless you'd like some adventure books to guide your campaigns or get ideas from

[signal basalt]

i just want all the base 5e content

[fossil hollow]

Everything else outside of that is technicaly optional

Ok, Base content is Players Handbook, Dungeon Masters Guide, and Monster Manual.

[signal basalt]

ty

[bronze wave]

I need to get the dungeon master guide

[fossil hollow]

hell technically its actually the Free Rules

[rugged hawk]

There's still plenty that isn't in the free rules, unfortunately

That might be due to me still using 2014, though

[empty thicket]

You literally gave him the curse of enlightenment. You made him capable of understand the incomprehensible horrors and took away his dumb innocence.
You showed him the truth and the truth destroyed him.

[rugged hawk]

And then he went back to being an idiot who couldn't recognize his situation any longer, and then we splattered him during the next attack, anyway. So where's the problem?

[empty thicket]

Oh, didnt got that last part. Still would make it have consequences such like rumors or smt

[rugged hawk]

Again, the goblins attacked South Gate at least once a week, he was days from his doom

[empty thicket]

Yeah but like, one thing is killing a goblin smashing his head with a mace.
Another made him go through literally a Lovecraft Horror torture.

[pastel night]

I'm not "on about" anything. I'm just saying that a book containing all monsters for any game would be super expensive. And you can't really have something with all of anything until the game has run its course, because new additions would make previous books incomplete.

[empty thicket]

still find it giga funny

[rugged hawk]

It wasn't intentional!

[empty thicket]

jejejjeje, "ooppsie" jajajajjajaja

[foggy meteor]

I got new dice!

[empty thicket]

Love it, hope someday if i do of DM get such funny scenarios

[rugged hawk]

Look, I didn't realize it would be a CURSE until it was too late. I was TRYING to help.

[foggy meteor]

I’m making a rogue vampire

[empty thicket]

dont justify yourself anymore, its okey.
Now you know.

[rugged hawk]

Yes, now I can do it with intent

I mean, uh....

[rugged hawk]

AKA has evolved into Dice Goblin

[empty thicket]

Stab someone with a dagger that is tainted in garlic Wait, why this dont harm you?
The human trying to see how to explain the assassin that only him is weak to garlic:

[snow agate]

never bought a book so i have no idea

[rugged hawk]

Also, to be totally fair, the character I was playing at the time was a mad bardess who worshipped the 'Immortal and Invincible Cooking Pot of South Gate' (it was a static object, so it couldn't be destroyed by the goblin raids).

[empty thicket]

Damn, i would like to play a wizard character i have but had to drop the campaign were i was playing for a work....now i want to come back but its full
It was a Wizard Merchant artisan.
The idea is him being clever getting good stuff in shops for his allies and info through it.

[rugged hawk]

Or, better suggestion, put a mild curse on each magic item you're gonna sell that lets you Detect Thoughts of whoever's wearing it.

[empty thicket]

experienced in that campaign how is being lvl 1 and holy canneloni i was weak like giga weak

[rugged hawk]

Then use that info to make lots of gold!

[empty thicket]

the idea in my head was making rings and stuff with gems for selling, getting more money and maybe put spells on those rings too. That is why a wizard too and even hide some spells in some jewelry or Tattoo some on myself.

[rugged hawk]

Zhentarim detected

[empty thicket]

General use spells such like fire bolt, false life, etc. etc.

[empty thicket]

mh? what?

[dapper magnet]

Hey? Any available dnd 1 shot today? I'm a player

[fossil hollow]

#find-a-game

[empty thicket]

Read properly and dont have fear to ask, good luck buddy!!

[rugged hawk]

You heard me, RED WIZARD

Only the Sith deal in absolutes Zhentarim wield tattoo magic!

[empty thicket]

i for reald dont know what or who is that, but i dont think im special enough to being the first making the idea of tattoo spells being a wizard

(Hide under the feet the teleportation spell for special occasions)

[dapper magnet]

I shared my 1st dnd craft #dnd-arts-and-crafts

Any other dnd inspired games other than Dragonair and Baldur's Gate 3? Thx

[empty thicket]

Darkest dungeon

[undone fable]

did you guys get the artificer book?

[meager fractal]

Solasta

[meager fractal]

Not yet. Waiting to see what people think of it

[undone fable]

I love the new book personally

[cerulean monolith]

Neverwinter and the new one (battlemarked or something)

[vale sage]

BG3 implies BG2 and BG exist 🤔

[fossil hollow]

Yes

its the third game of the Baldur's Gate titles

[dapper magnet]

Yes

[wary ermine]

Hello, someone could explain me what is a community ? The server have a chanel what his name is looking community

[fossil hollow]

1. a group of people living in the same place or having a particular characteristic in common.
2. a feeling of fellowship with others, as a result of sharing common attitudes, interests, and goals.

[wary ermine]

It Could help me find games ?

[crimson gulch]

yeah its a place for folks to post their communitys for dnd

[dapper magnet]

Oh shit, so I used it wrongly? I thought it's for looking on a party that just missing few ppl and needed some

[fossil hollow]

any of the looking for channels will

[wary ermine]

Thanks

[undone fable]

whats neverwinter

[limber trail]

A city on the northern end of the sword coast

[dapper cloak]

Hello peps!!

[undone fable]

is that in faerun or swag?

[limber trail]

Yeah, the sword coast is an area in faerun

[dapper cloak]

Can anyone pass me a link to a homebrew guide, preferably reading

[lavish flame]

the Sword Coast is in Faerun

[devout plume]

hey im looking to get some expansions to add some variety to gameplay i have all the core 2014 and 2024 books along with eberron rising from the last war, tasha's cauldron of everything, and xanathar's guide to everything

i was thinking maybe some extra classes and races mybe some magic items and spells too

what should i pick up expansion wise?

mainly speaking as a player

[lean wigeon]

heroes of faerun reprints some subclasses to 2024
MotM adds a ton of races

[limber trail]

As far as base content goes, you’ve got the main ones. Sword Coast Adventurers Guide and Adventures in Faerun each include a good few subclasses for the core classes

[devout plume]

are those backwards compatable?

[limber trail]

Anything from before 2024 is backwards compatible with 2024 rules (unless it’s been reprinted in a 2024 book)

[past blaze]

(and unless it is shepherd druid)

[limber trail]

Oh actually?

[devout plume]

i mean i was thinking about glory of the giants since it has delver's claws

[devout plume]

what about 2014?

[woven flint]

Hello, friends

[limber trail]

If you’re a player, you probably don’t need to worry about that. Magic items generally are handled by the DM (unless your table does it differently, but most tables I’ve played with run it like that)

[devout plume]

ive recently played at a table that ran one shots and you would gain gold to spend on items so long as you had the book

like a rogue-lite lol

[limber trail]

Oh sick

[copper ivy]

Just bought the dnd players guide 2024 version. So excited to read it 😆

[devout plume]

do most dms allow partnered content?

[bronze wave]

I allow it, why not

Unless it was like dumb or made no sense

[dense gulch]

I just thought I've done something ive never seen done every bard ive seen js musical and entertainment based charisma never political advisors, royal diplomats, trained negotiators, lore-keepers, charismatic leaders
Has anyone

[umbral girder]

Nope. I know because I’m in a few of the groups (and run a few) that don’t

[devout plume]

dndbeyond is really confusing lol

[dense gulch]

Why may i ask

[devout plume]

im looking at the races page and it doesnt say which is partnered and which is official

[dense gulch]

Huh

[devout plume]

i have to crosscheck with the sources page to figure that out

[umbral girder]

Pretty sure if you scroll to the bottom it shows the partnered stuff. I’ll need to check to make sure

[devout plume]

they show all of it as one

[dense gulch]

What is partner content

[devout plume]

same with the classes page

[past blaze]

from third party publications, and not Wizards of the Coast

For example, content from Critical Role, Avantris Entertainment, or Ghostfire Gaming

[devout plume]

3rd party content that partnered with wotc

[umbral girder]

I just checked it is at the bottom

[devout plume]

everything below 2014 is partner then?

[umbral girder]

Literally split between official and non official

[devout plume]

isnt for me

[umbral girder]

Yep. At least on the mobile browser

[devout plume]

dang

[dense gulch]

If you want you can disable partner content but I've never seen dm deny it

[devout plume]

they made mobile version better?

[dense gulch]

Go to home section of character creator and unselected partner

[umbral girder]

Nope just checked

PC is literally the exact same

[devout plume]

yeah so how am i meant to KNOW what is partner content without crosschecking their sources page?

[umbral girder]

Anything below 2014

[devout plume]

got it

[umbral girder]

Easy as that. You even said it yourself

[dense gulch]

In the home look for

Partnered Content

Content developed by our partner publishers. You will only see character options for content you have purchased.

✅ Enable All Partnered Content

Just uncheck this @devout plume
And the partner content will disappear

[umbral girder]

Same with classes too

Also when building a character you can just press the button that turns off partnered content

[devout plume]

that was an assumption lol

[dense gulch]

But yea did anyone see what i wrote i wonder if i am unique for using bard in a political way

Crown princess

[past blaze]

makes sense

[devout plume]

where at?

im not in the character creator

[dense gulch]

Her bardic inspiration Isn't singing or dancing or anything normal bard stuff

She’s doing something way more badass:
A firm hand on the shoulder
A quiet, confident whisper
A princess’s command
A diplomatic reassurance
A look that says “You can do this. I believe in you.”

[devout plume]

in looking at the actual pages

[dense gulch]

When making a character the first tab

[devout plume]

thats exclusively for the character creator

[dense gulch]

You can even disable 2014 content

I thought that what you were talking about

[devout plume]

doesnt help when im attempting to buy the source books lol

[dense gulch]

The only official source book right now are the 3 main phb, mm, dmg and eberron i think

For 2024+

[umbral girder]

Last I checked the soure book tab also says which are partnered content as well

[hollow estuary]

heros of faerun too

[devout plume]

the new eberron and heroes of faerun are the only official 5.5e expansions? seriously?

was it that unliked?

[knotty pasture]

Tbh it does make sense that way, good thinking

Mines was similar but the Aasimar princess in question is a Sorcerer

[devout plume]

i figured there would be more considering its been about a year and a half or more

what about astarion's book of hungers?

[cerulean monolith]

A lot of things wrong with that sentence

[devout plume]

didnt that release this month?

or lorwyn first light

both are official content as far as i can tell

[rough basalt]

The 2024 ruleset is only a year old

And it was properly released unlike its predecessor

And it has more content in its first year.

[devout plume]

2014?

[rough basalt]

Yeah in 2014 they released a full adventure before the DMG

[cerulean monolith]

1. It's not 5.5e, it's still 5th Edition.
2. There's not 'expansions' to D&D. There are sourcebooks. Everything, beyond the three core rulebooks (PHB, DMG, and MM) are optional by virtue of the "can" statement.
3. There have been many pieces of new content that have released using the new 2024 style guide. The largest ones are Dragon Delves, Heroes of Faerun/Adventures of Faerun, and Forge of the Artificer.
4. Astarion's Book of Hungers, Lorwyn: First Light, and the Netheril book are all digital-exclusive sourcebooks. They also functional under the optional assumption "these options can be used".

This chapter is full of character options you can use to make characters unique to the Realms: [...]
Chapter 1, Heroes of Faerun

[rough basalt]

For example
2014s opening year had 1 starter set, 3 corebooks, 4 adventures (2 were one whole adventure just sold it two books), and a glorified magazine disguised as a setting book.

[marble lion]

I wish they didnt revamp the system mid edition

[devout plume]

see i would consider optional content as expansions to the base game content

[rough basalt]

2024 had 3 corebooks, an anthology, a starter set, a setting guide and a setting guide-lite to go with an old setting book.

[marble lion]

Calling it 5.5 is understandable because its still 5e but its definitely different enough to make discourse across editions pointless

[rough basalt]

Biggest differences is just in power really

[marble lion]

I wish they gave it a name

Not just still 5th edition

[cerulean monolith]

You may, but that's not the terms used by WotC, D&DBeyond, or the general community

[marble lion]

5e24 is the shortest i can put it

[cerulean monolith]

It is still 5th edition thouhg. You can use material from the 2014 and the 2024 rulesets. There are vastly more similarities than there are differences.

[rough basalt]

They've put out an expected amount of content and generally it's been well received among people who actually play ime

[devout plume]

from what ive seen the 2024 release is divisive enough that many people call the 2014 release the "real" 5e

[marble lion]

And yet every second question has to be guided by asking 14 or 24

[rough basalt]

People online generally don't actually play dnd

[cerulean monolith]

It's divisive when you go to communities specifically formed to discuss that divide.

[devout plume]

you say general community doesnt say 5.5e but ive only seen the 2024 release called 5.5e

[rough basalt]

They argue about DnD online with misinformation more than they actually play

[devout plume]

not once have i seen someone call it 5e

[marble lion]

I also dont think saying 5.5 is harmful

Its just a personal way of clarifying you dont mean 14

I think its a good improv

[rough basalt]

Tbh I just don't take much stock in anything people say outside of this server

[cerulean monolith]

I see far too many people assuming that they can't use 2014 content in games using the 2024 rules. That is only exacerbated by clearly delineating between the editions

[marble lion]

Until there is an actual 5.5e, saying 5.5 will communicate to anyone that they mean 24

[rough basalt]

Cause more likely than not they haven't even touched a DnD book and get all their info from DnDs troublemakers on YouTube and social media.

[marble lion]

Thats a fair point sam. People get that wrong i guess

[knotty pasture]

I think its this very server that started the whole 5.5e thing

[rough basalt]

Was Reddit iirc

[knotty pasture]

I see it dropped here several times by now

[rough basalt]

This server doesn't really have much of an affect outside of it

[devout plume]

exactly i mean if i say 5.5e players handbook people will 100% know i mean '24 but saying 5e players handbook could be either

[marble lion]

Ppl make up their own shorthand for distinctioning 2 mechanically different systems. No harm in it

[cerulean monolith]

The argument for that is by virtue of precedence: 3.5e. But 3.5e was: 1. An official term used by the creators of the game; 2. A complete recreation and rerelease of the game; 3. Completely incompatible with its predecessor; 4. Universally regarded as a round upgrade from its predecessor.

Do the 2024 rules have any of these qualities?

[rough basalt]

A lot of the influence in the dnd community comes from arguments in social media forums, memes and dndtubers who lie out their ass

[marble lion]

Its a casual shorthand sam

[harsh hollow]

It might be because a lot of it is backporting, but now that we have it all I think this first wave of 2024 content was pretty underwhelming.

[devout plume]

so saying 5.5e makes for less confusion long term

[rough basalt]

I think it's been what I've been hoping for personally

[marble lion]

5e24 is best imo

[rough basalt]

I was expecting a SCAG 2 incident

[marble lion]

Faster to type too for me at least

[devout plume]

plus i heard that there is scaling issues when using 5.5e content in 5e

[marble lion]

Unless i nail the flick to . trying

[rough basalt]

I usually use
'24 or 5e: Definitive Edition if I wanna joke a bit

[umbral girder]

You could also just use it’s actual name

[marble lion]

Electric boogaloo

[devout plume]

so its not like its 100% compatible

[marble lion]

Its about casual short phrases

[rough basalt]

Not really.
The only issue is Shepard druid which is easily fixable

As for old monsters, you just give them prof/expertise in initiative and max out their hit die

[umbral girder]

It’s literally the same amount of characters as 5e24

[marble lion]

What is it

[harsh hollow]

Given that conjure spells are very different now I wonder how they'd retool Shepard.

[rough basalt]

Probably small multi-summon like new Necromancer.

[devout plume]

5.5e is much better on the brain

[marble lion]

What is the actual name?

[rough basalt]

I imagine a higher level feature that let's you use summon spells without conc like certain Sorc and Warlock subs

[marble lion]

I thought it was dungeons and dragons fifth edition 2024

[harsh hollow]

I do kinda wish they'd stick with backwards compatibility unless the new version is notably different. When I saw they ported Stars Druid I was hoping for at least one more form.

[cerulean monolith]

See, that doesn't make too much sense, though. 3e and 3.5e have clearly different meanings. When I say 3e, you know I mean the original Third Edition, and when I say 3.5e you know I mean the recreation of Third Edition. If I need to refer to them collectively, I say 3.x. Boom, easy to understand.

With 5.5e, people may get that you mean the 2024 edition, but 5e still encompasses both rulesets. It's not a separation, you're just adding a clarifier to clarify what you mean. Thus... you could use anything to refer to it! And thus^2 you should use the most effective term to convey your meaning.

[rough basalt]

Well Stars was made on the current design formula

And it was already a solid sub

The design formula of Tashas and beyond which prioritized usable features and power

[harsh hollow]

I also didn't consider not everyone playing the new edition has the old books, so there's another reason for it.

[rough basalt]

Rather than flavor and junk

[harsh hollow]

But it still makes releases of mostly old material feel underwhelming.

[rough basalt]

Well the main thing is releasing a new edition would've been a bad idea so they're going back through and solving the major issues 5es had so far

[devout plume]

the most effective term being 5.5e which is anything from the 2024 release

[cerulean monolith]

That effective term should be concise and strictly convey what you mean. There's tons of ones you could use that fit those qualifiers!

5.1/5.2 - Use the SRD names! Can still use 5e to refer to them generally.
5.14/5.24 - A little longer but even more precise.
2014 rules/2024 rules - You're typing! You can spend that extra half second to use the official terms for maximum clarity.

[marble lion]

5.5 works too

[harsh hollow]

I think out of everything that released in this wave there was only about three truly new species, I'm not counting the Suggestions ™ from Lorewyn because they literally say "just use the old books" for most of it.

[cerulean monolith]

did you read my beautiful big juicy succulent message

the thing that's bad about "5.5" is that it doesn't convey any information unless you already know what it is referring to

[devout plume]

again everyone knows 5.5e and includes all the expansions created after 2024 to be used with the new core 2024 books

[devout plume]

again its a wide spread phrase

[cerulean monolith]

You must first know that 5.5 is shorthand for the 2024 rules before you can understand that term, and if you do not know that term you don't understand. But 5.24 and even 5.2 in more technical communities are immediately obvious as to what they mean, even to someone who does not know what current terms the community is infatuated with

[marble lion]

I only really talk about this topic with ppl who know 14 and 24 exist so thats no issue

[harsh hollow]

This is why having a side edition and not a new edition was a bad idea.

[cerulean monolith]

Widespread where? It doesn't get much use here.

[marble lion]

Otherwise youre right

[devout plume]

even me who is just getting into the hobby has heard it

[knotty pasture]

I dunno its probably not a hill to die on, its as meaningful as deciding whether you should use the phrase lol or lul because lul doesn't stand for laugh out loud

[marble lion]

As long as youre talking to people who know a bit, theyll get 5.5
If theyre new, i wouldnt use the phrase

[devout plume]

youtube, reddit, twitch, and plenty of other discord servers

[marble lion]

What does lul mean

[cerulean monolith]

Even if you know the 2014 rules and 2024 rules exist, how would you automatically know that 5.5 is referring to the 2024 rules?

[knotty pasture]

It just means lol, Twitch term

Originated from the lul emote which sadly I can't post images here

[devout plume]

im new i literally started 2 days ago and i heard it even before joining the community lol

[marble lion]

So it does stand for laughing out loud though

[cerulean monolith]

Or what if you're an oldschooler coming to newer editions? 5.5e would make you assume it's a new edition, when it's not.

[knotty pasture]

Yeah what I'm getting at is that its a preference thing

[marble lion]

Anyway your point was fine

[devout plume]

because they released new core books?

[umbral girder]

Yeah 5.5e is out right missinformation

[cerulean monolith]

They also rewrote the style guide in 2020, that changed the entire way they produced content

[knotty pasture]

Calling it dungeons and dragons fifth edition 2024 edition is as valid as calling it 5.5e or what have you

[marble lion]

You can always clarify when talking to an uninformed person

[cerulean monolith]

doesn't that negate the point of shorthand

[marble lion]

No

Because almost anyone will get it. Everyone ive talked to

[fickle heart]

5.24 is definitely what a lot of more content-focused communities use, I've found.

[cerulean monolith]

If your shorthand is confusing so that you have to clarify what it means, your shorthand isn't good enough

[marble lion]

I dont have to

[fickle heart]

Especially because 5.24's counterpart is 5.14.

[devout plume]

yeah ill just keep with 5.5e everyone knows what it means even if they hate the term lol

[umbral girder]

Yeah that one is a lot clearer

[marble lion]

Besides most shorthand is completely unreadable to uninitiated

[cerulean monolith]

Yeah I usually see 5.24 being used. 5.2 I see really only in homebrew or the extreme optimizer communities

[harsh hollow]

I've heard it many of these ways (or even more vaguely "the new rules"/"the new stuff") but it seems like people tend to get the picture.

[umbral girder]

And not actively wrong like 5.5e

[marble lion]

5.5.5.5

[cerulean monolith]

That's not how shorthand works! That's not how language works! Ahhh!!!!

[marble lion]

Ok then

[harsh hollow]

Shorthand and jargon aren't the same thing.

[cerulean monolith]

The point of language is to be understood. Unless you're only speaking to people in a specific group that requires you to have knowledge, you should aim to be understandable.

[devout plume]

5.5e fits more tho considering its a refresh

[marble lion]

I know exactly 1 person who can read actual shorthand

[cerulean monolith]

have you played 3.5e

[fickle heart]

The issue with 5.5e isn't the fact that it's being called 5.5e, it's the fact that people will call the 5.24 rules 5e still, hence you kinda lose out on the clarification.

[devout plume]

no and i never intend to

[marble lion]

Not all abbreviations are made to be understood by everyone

I cant tell a from b in shorthand

[umbral girder]

Literally has no idea what they are talking about

[knotty pasture]

Yea as long as it doesn't frequently cause confusion its w/e

[devout plume]

anything below 5e isnt supported anymore

and is out of date

[marble lion]

Everyone in this chat right now seems to know what 5.5 was meant to communicate
And yet you have made a 30 minute discussion saying its confusing

[cerulean monolith]

The "in" knowledge you need is that there are 2 rulesets: 2014 and 2024. Your shorthand term for these four character terms should require only that knowledge to understand.

[marble lion]

I think this is all in bad faith

[harsh hollow]

Technically base 5e is also out of date, as soon as anything in it is reprinted here.

[devout plume]

i still play 5e because its more played than 5.5e

[cerulean monolith]

What's the bad faith here?

[marble lion]

You

[fickle heart]

I play 5e as well, with both rulesets (this is the issue in calling just one 5e.)

[cerulean monolith]

Huh? No, I mean, what am I doing that is in bad faith?

[marble lion]

Love the whiterun guard though

So ill forgive it no problem

[devout plume]

meh ill stick to 5e for now until they fix 5.5e

[fickle heart]

But both are 5e lol

[knotty pasture]

Probably the fact that you're refusing to die on your hill but yknow free world

[devout plume]

and yet the old version is better

[hollow estuary]

I play 5.5e because the class changes are rad as hell, the rule changes are.. questionable.

[devout plume]

and more played

[hollow estuary]

i like 5.5e classes with 2014 rules

[harsh hollow]

I see a lot of people patchwork it together to suit their needs.

[fickle heart]

...you mean 5.14?

[devout plume]

no i mean 5e

[cerulean monolith]

Okay slowmode is killing me, gonna tackle a few things being said here:

1. "You messed up, I won't tell you what you did though, I forgive you though" is silly and inane
2. Not all content from the 2014 rules is out of date.
3. You realize shorthand isn't a language, right? It's a method of compressing written information or, in this context, taking a term and making it smaller.

[fickle heart]

But both are 5e based on the SRD. So which 5e?

[knotty pasture]

I mean 4.99e, rounded up to 5e

[harsh hollow]

What do you mean Dhampirs have to breathe in 2025? You've killed their snorkeling dreams, old dhampir please.

[fickle heart]

All jokes aside, I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I'm just demonstrating why two things that can be described with the same term need a differentiator.

[hollow estuary]

if dnd editions ever get into a 2nd decimal place like this then the "wizards" of the coast better have abjuration spells prepared.

[devout plume]

5.5e has different rules and ive joined 5 campaigns/one shots so far and every table has banned 5.5e content

[cerulean monolith]

Your sample source that supports your opinion is 5 tables that you personally experienced 😐

[fickle heart]

The reason why the terms "5.14" and "5.24" came about is because the initial version of 5e came out in 2014 and the newer version came out in 2024, for clarification. Hence, the year is used as the differentiator.

[marble lion]

1. Bad faith as in implying 5.5 wont be commonly understood which it definitely is, partially shown by current audience
2. Enough is, especially character creation, weapon rules, spell details and other frequent rules
3. I was referring to systems such as gregg shorthand completely unintelligable to any uninitiated

[knotty pasture]

If its valid for them its valid for them, isn't the point of language to be understood

[cerulean monolith]

I play at more tables than that in a week. Tamms and Nealen play a similar amount iirc. I say this not to attack your credibility, but to point out that your sample is too small to make a blanket declaration of truth

[devout plume]

that along with the avid hatred 5.5e ive seen in various dnd communities and even outside of dedicated communities

[marble lion]

Yes and everyone seems to have understood

[knotty pasture]

And if most people are getting it

[marble lion]

You just dont like it. You still got it

[devout plume]

thumbs down doesnt help your case lol

[cerulean monolith]

didn't tamms just spend like 5 minutes personally demonstrating how confusion can arise when using 5e for the 2014 rules and 5.5e for the 2024 rules

[marble lion]

I meant ppl talking right now, not the server

[umbral girder]

Yall use something that is actively miss information is the reason why

[hollow estuary]

Reguardless of weather or not 5.5e is unbalanced banned or bad, at the end of the day it just gives us more options, and the great thing about options is you can always say no.

[stuck saddle]

It depends on your circle

[umbral girder]

And out right said you don't even know the origins or the connotations of the term you are using as well

[marble lion]

Im fine with the new dnd

[devout plume]

and it seems in general the community is in fact saying no

[cerulean monolith]

Oh right, you said you've never played 3e or 3.5e and don't plan to. You don't understand the history of the terms you're using

[stuck saddle]

Most people are saying yes though

[fickle heart]

Just to reiterate, the issue isn't actually with 5.5e, as much as it is with "5e", because the game is holistically considered "5e", so you may still need to clarify with people whether they mean the 2014 rules or the 2024 rules, because people will use "5e" interchangeably between those two versions of the same rules.

[marble lion]

Yes im in my 20s. I dont

I still think its a valid way of abbreviating it

[harsh hollow]

I still just wish they'd fully committed to a new edition. It feels like they really don't wanna let go of 5e's appeal.

[marble lion]

So far noone has been confused

[stuck saddle]

They fired like all their designers they probably can’t afford to make a whole new edition 😭😭

[devout plume]

i mean theres no real reason to play inferior versions especially when most people dont play them anymore

[marble lion]

The only ppl against it still get it but argue it may possibly be confusing

[fickle heart]

It's totally valid, but a lack of actual differentiation has lead to the language of a lot of content-focused servers shifting towards some sort of additional tag.

(5e14 vs 5e24, 5.14 vs 5.24, etc.)

[marble lion]

Thats completely reasonable

[cerulean monolith]

I DM for 3 tables and regularly run one shots. I play at two tables and play in one shots every now and then. Every single one of them uses the 2024 rules. I've never had someone ask or complain in favor of the 2014 rules. So many people here can play similar testimony

[harsh hollow]

Ahh right, I forgot the house is crumbling.

[marble lion]

Yeah 24 is fairly liked in my experience, i dont plsy it though

[stuck saddle]

Not really they’re making like hella money it’s just uhhh every higher up in existence doesn’t know how to do their job

[devout plume]

i give wotc maybe a decade before being bought out or bankruptcy tbh

[harsh hollow]

Everything I've seen it release feels pretty underwhelming. I know they're technically still in the early stages of this but using 5e as a framework makes it hard to feel that way. It just feels like releasing weak 5e content.

[cerulean monolith]

Tamms is hitting the nail on the head here, btw. 5.5e is inaccurate but not bad alone. But 5e/5e/5.5e is bad because two different things share two names. By contrast, 5e/5.14e/5.24e and 5e/5.1e/5.2e and 5th Editon/2014 Rules/2024 Rules all don't have that problem. Plus they clarify more.

[umbral girder]

I doubt they will go bankrupt. MTG is way too popular and a money maker.

[devout plume]

with the amount of controversy and boycotts its had

[stuck saddle]

The 2024 designers are afraid of releasing anything that’s powerful the only exception is like genie Paladin lol

[cerulean monolith]

WotC also can't be bought out. They're already owned.

[fickle heart]

It basically comes down to the fact that I can say "I'm a huge fan of 5e Paladin and I love how the smites work" and someone can ask if I mean the 2014 rules or the 2024 rules, which itself shows that my statement didn't communicate effectively enough. If I say that same statement with 5.14 or 5.24 in place of 5e, the confusion goes poof.

[stuck saddle]

so far everything they have released is SUPER weak like insanely weak all the new feats are mostly underwhelming

All the new spells are also super weak like come on

[harsh hollow]

The 3rd party books they're relying on to fill the gaps between are really highlighting the lack of creativity.

[devout plume]

i heard magic is also having issues

[cerulean monolith]

It would have to be WotC being sold to another company, which like Nealen said is improbable because of Magic. Or Hasbro being bought out which... haha no

[stuck saddle]

They screwed up my warlord THREE times like come on can they get banneret right

[devout plume]

from what i heard magic is on its last legs atm

[umbral girder]

D&D can probably die but WOTC has a much, much bigger property in MTG to keep it running for a long while.
Plus Hasbro does not really sell their stuff but stores it away in their vaults.

[cerulean monolith]

I think Vanguard owns like 12% of Hasbro? Yeah Hasbro's not going anywhere

[harsh hollow]

Speaking of which, they still haven't pushed Obojima 2024 to Beyond yet. Rip Oni Sorcerer, you would love this framework.

[cerulean monolith]

Their revenue increased over 30% last quarter iirc. Magic is thriving

[stuck saddle]

How don’t they do dnd AND magic the gathering

[umbral girder]

Last I checked MTG actively made a huge increase in profits.

[stuck saddle]

Not enough to keep their designers Oooo

[rough basalt]

I think one of its latest special things didn't do well but Magic as a whole is still thriving.

[stuck saddle]

They fired the guy that did the early one dnd interviews like bro that guy was the goat

[cerulean monolith]

Magic is some crazy number like 20% of Hasbro's revenue

[umbral girder]

Well yeah why would they use the MTG money for a team that is not MTG?

[harsh hollow]

They need to get more Valda's stuff in here. That's fun. Some of it is so broken it'll likely never see the light of day but that's funny.

[umbral girder]

That isn't WOTC's

[harsh hollow]

It's not but until all this released they leaned on third party hard.

[cerulean monolith]

You realize companies don't fire designers when they do poorly, right? They fire designers when they're making enough money to ride out the cycle. If your profit goes up a huge amount, you can fire huge amounts of your team. You make even more money in the short term, and then when your profits finally go back down to what they were before, you hire back your designers if the venture is still profitable, or gut the company and sell it off if it's not.

[harsh hollow]

I think they should do it more. The third party designers are more willing to have fun.

[stuck saddle]

I love a lot of third party content issue it’s it’s never balanced and that’s like unfortunate

It’s either super bad or so op that if I show it to my dm they will murder me on the spot

[harsh hollow]

It's not always unbalanced, Humblewood and Obojima aren't that strong. Valda's is but that's on purpose, it's basically a joke book.

[umbral girder]

Which makes it very rare to actually use in play after all.

[cerulean monolith]

-# cough obojima cough

[umbral girder]

Obojima has perhaps the most busted content out of the third parties on beyond

[harsh hollow]

There's a feat in Valda's that lets you negate legendary actions. That's funny. Nobody's going to let you do that.

[stuck saddle]

Most third party spells are too strong lol

[fickle heart]

Obojima admittedly is meant to be a more contained sourcebook, not a "slap this into your normal campaigns".

[atomic kayak]

? no they didn't

[delicate owl]

It wasn't the spells, it was the items in Obojima

[glacial pulsar]

Which concept sounds more interesting in roleplaying and story?
The Alchemist Wizard is an arcane tradition focused on brewing and hurling potions infused with spell effects, allowing players to convert spell slots into throwable items that deliver magical damage, healing, or utility like acid splash or antidotes and also create your own creative potions.

The Origami Mage Wizard, from Obojima, wields magic to expertly manipulate PAPER to animate origami constructs like familiars, birds, cats, and dragons for combat/scouting and using them to physically/mentally enhance you or your allies.

[delicate owl]

well and some spells

[stuck saddle]

In my opinion feats (what I care about) usually SUCKS hard , and the spells in most third party books are insanely strong

[umbral girder]

Also yeah they have not leaned into third party hard at all

[atomic kayak]

I would really say that"they let third party content be present on ddb" to be "they leaned on third party hard"

almost the opposite really

[stuck saddle]

Both sound interesting, It depends on the world and the player but I’d take alchemist wizard

Can anyone tell me if any 3rd party book has balanced feats

[atomic kayak]

The last true leaning on a third party thing dnd has done is the partnership to make the first party books for Wildemount and Netherdeep

[harsh hollow]

They released more third party content lately than they have in a while, and it was between the gap of 2024 releasing and it's first wave of content.

[glacial pulsar]

also wait Obojima is OP? So I shouldn't use it to supplement my asian fantasy campaign??

[atomic kayak]

They are not releasing any third party content. Thats not how that works.

[stuck saddle]

If you think it’s fine then it’s fine, you don’t have to listen to me or you shouldn’t actually because I didn’t play with it in an actual game yet

[harsh hollow]

You know what I meant, spotlighting it on Beyond.

Releasing it through an official tool.

[glacial pulsar]

Tbh not even official books have balanced feats

[fickle heart]

Just make sure you look at the context of the content within it; it has some limitations that it takes into account when designing the items that you won't see if you look at the items in a vacuum.

[atomic kayak]

I know what you mean, but that is still A) very different than them releasing it and B) "leaning on it hard"

[harsh hollow]

I think Obojima has some fun ideas, I'm still surprised the way the Sorcerer subclass works hasn't been done officially yet, it's such a good loop to encourage using the base feature more often.

[atomic kayak]

at best its been leaned on 'as hard" as all of the first party content that was releasing at the same times

[stuck saddle]

WHY DOES THE VAMPIRE BOOK HAVE SUCH BAD FEATS WAAAHHHH 😭😭

I want good martial feats WOTC PLEASE GIVE ME GREAT WEAPON MASTER TWO!!!

[umbral girder]

D&D Beyond being considered the Official tool is very amusing.

[rough basalt]

There are good martial feats

[fickle heart]

Astarion's feats are actually something I've seen panned almost everywhere.

[atomic kayak]

Astarion's has about 2 nice feats

[finite brook]

Where should I go, if I ever wanted to learn how to play 3.5E?

[atomic kayak]

That is what it is

[fickle heart]

The design of them has been discussed and it's...not looking good for them.

[harsh hollow]

I know it's for setting reasons but I wish there had been more non dragonmark feats in the Artificer book.

[umbral girder]

I know but very amusing to think about since it was bought only a couple years ago by WOTC

[stuck saddle]

The new fey strike one I don’t remember what it’s called is good but I want like things that change how you play or give you a permanent constant boost or something to do it’s why I like pole arm master and great weapon master so much

[umbral girder]

When most of D&D Beyond's life span was a third party site that sold books and had a character creator

[rough basalt]

Those are what feats do

[stuck saddle]

The dragon mark feats are amazing though they let so many spells count as like X class spells where they wouldn’t have before

Btw just to get confirm are dragon mark spells origin feats? Or no? How are you supposed to start with them

[atomic kayak]

the dragonmark feats are not origin feats

[rough basalt]

Feats accentuate playstyles

[atomic kayak]

If you want to start with them at level 1 you have to take the specific backgrounds

[harsh hollow]

They're interesting but I wonder how hard a sell it would be to reflavor them. They feel more setting dependant than most things.

[atomic kayak]

on a basic level dragonmark feats are not hard to use in any other setting

[stuck saddle]

Makes sense this way human can’t get two at the start and then use that one feat to get like 18 free spells

[umbral girder]

Grabbing the PHB mainly. Or see if it has free basic rules to play with

[rough basalt]

For example if you're a dual wielder, you're gonna take the dual wielder feat, probably the feats for the weapon damages you're using

[atomic kayak]

since they are literally just "I have some special abilities"

it won't have the same in world tie-ins and meaning as it would in eberron, but its not hard to use elsewhere

[past blaze]

it's just annoying on digital fronts where it innately has the lore and maybe race requirements

[atomic kayak]

it does have textual prereqs for being an eberron campaign yes

[rough basalt]

Pretty sure the 3.5e content is open-source to some degree

[harsh hollow]

Behold, my magic tattoo. No, it's not spellwrought. I got it in Magic LA.

[rough basalt]

Martial feats are probably in their best state yet

With grappler buff, mage slayer buff

[umbral girder]

Yeah martial feats are sooo good now

[atomic kayak]

akin to the dragonlance feats.

incidentally the textual prereqs saying they are for specific campaigns do a great job at making people not treat them as default allowed in any campaign

[umbral girder]

Yeah makes things so much easier as a DM

[atomic kayak]

very notably dragonmarks are not tattoos.

If you are using them in another setting you don't need to have any sort of physical mark whatsoever. Its literally just "i have a bit of magic"

Which a plethora of other feats also do in the exact same manner generically

[umbral girder]

A tattoo is something to paint your skin. Dragonmarks are birthmarks. I believe thats the difference.

[harsh hollow]

Fair enough, I guess I just wondered how caught up on the setting prerequisite DMs would get caught up on since that's not too common.

I assumed that's why you don't see those squire feats that often.

[umbral girder]

Its been in Planescape, I think Spelljammer, and Dragonlance before this.

[atomic kayak]

Yes they are more akin to birthmarks (although you are not necessarily born with one manifested). They are very hard to mistake for tattoos in setting, even without being an Aberrant mark (which are all unique. All "regular" marks are relatively uniform).

[atomic kayak]

Probably a good amount of DMs would be, if the previous times we've had prereqs like this are any indication

which is good, because thats the point of the prereq

[harsh hollow]

Sometimes stuff like that is fun, some people didn't seem to like the feat progression in the Faerun book but I think it's cool.

I enjoy having a lot of detached setting agnostic options for flexibility but it's not always a terrible thing to have stuff like that sometimes.

[stuck saddle]

Why are most non PHB feats just do X thing per pb / long rest it’s so boring

That’s like most of the vampire book feats, and while with the faerun book it’s not the case exactly some feats are extremely limited for like not good reasons I guess

[hollow stone]

tbf it's kinda hsrd to balance new buttons without just outright giving them limited uses

[stuck saddle]

Actually it’s even worse in that book because it’s just do X thing per SHORT REST LIKE HUUHHH

[reef axle]

Finally looked at Druid after a bit cause my DM says it’s to fit into a scenario. Oh boy… I can’t wait to use giant insects and transform into a giant spider.

[stuck saddle]

And it’s a mediocre thing

[harsh hollow]

They're weird because I feel like from a design standpoint you don't want them to be too much better than an ASI but they tend to be anyway.

[past blaze]

well, per short rest is kinda better since it comes back easier

[hollow stone]

i mean it depends on the thing but i say the more situational it is the less it should be limited

like Thief Rogue getting Utilize as a bonus action, that's cool and shouldn't have a limit because the times you will Utilize in combat are few and far between and farther between are the times where it feels necessary if it's limited charges

[umbral girder]

It is getting more abilities and more resources too

[stuck saddle]

Yeah but pb / long rest uses let’s you do the ability more often compared to per short rest

[umbral girder]

DnD’s challenge is resource attrition after all

[hollow stone]

i think that depends on if your DM does long rests as if they aren't 2 short rests wearing each other as hats

[harsh hollow]

I think third party is more flexible there too. "You're so buff you can weild a two-handed weapon in one hand." I don't know if that's even practical, it's still not Light. Funny idea though.

[finite brook]

And what about, like ... online resources, or servers like this one?

[umbral girder]

No clue besides it’s SRD

Maybe the guys in #dnd-elder-editions can help you.

[hollow stone]

you could short rest twice in a long rest, so any resource that is replenished in a short rest should also be replenished on a long rest

[umbral girder]

Kinda. DnD is built around 2 short rests a day so it’s really not too different until PB becomes 4 and up

[harsh hollow]

I don't know, it feels like the new stuff wants so badly to be not broken that a lot of people used to normal 5e will glaze over a lot of it.

[red steppe]

Is this about the new books

[harsh hollow]

That new paladin does look like some fun though.

[old sluice]

Normally there is no resource regained on a short rest that isn't also regained on a long one

[umbral girder]

I played a 2024 Paladin and easily my favorite moment was when I burned all 3 of a monster’s legendary actions in 1 turn

[hollow stone]

i mean if you're going as bad faith RAW as possible, Pact Magic Spell Slots (warlock spells) only say they replenish on a Short Rest

but no DM is going to run it like that because that's cartoonishly evil and anti-fun

[old sluice]

I'm seeing "You regain all expended spell slots when you finish a short or long rest."

[hollow stone]

oh i'm just wrong then

[old sluice]

Oh wait. 2024 warlock? Let me check

[bronze wave]

I mean a short rest is only an hour?

[umbral girder]

Yep

[bronze wave]

So you’d have to do like 8 short rests

[old sluice]

Same for 2024.

[umbral girder]

Also you can only long rest once every 24 hours

[hollow stone]

i have heard 3 different timeframes for short rests and idk which is even right

[harsh hollow]

And short rests aren't like Baulder's Gate where you can just do them whenever.

[old sluice]

? Short rests have always been an hour

[umbral girder]

It’s always been 1 hour

[hollow stone]

i've heard 10 minutes, 1 hour, and 4 hours

[umbral girder]

Yeah that’s the 4e short rests

[old sluice]

Unless you're referring to the "10 minutes short rest" houserule some people use to speed up the game

[umbral girder]

The PHB says 1 hour.

[umbral girder]

Technically thats a variant rule under the Super Heroic healing rule in the 2014 DMG. It also came with “a long rest is an hour”

[hollow stone]

i don't know where the DM that said 4 hours got that from

[old sluice]

Oh yeah true

[umbral girder]

The 2014 DMG had some busted variant rules

My favorite is “The Gods Must Be Crazy”

Every session a player can just decide they replace the DM

[inner silo]

What are the big differences between 2014 and 2024?

[hollow turret]

The 24 DMG made me think we'd be getting a Venger stat block

[bronze wave]

2024 is better. More balanced spells and moves. Monsters make wayy more sense stat wise. And I like some of the minor chnage like weapon swaps

[umbral girder]

Formatting, high tier op stuff is weaker while everything else is stronger so it averages out.

Monsters got better stats and action economy and now come with loot tables.

[bronze wave]

There’s a Reddit thread that explains it better

[umbral girder]

Also the DMG is now just a much better book to read and be a DM

[hollow stone]

oh that gives me a funny idea, put every character and player's name on a wheel and spin both wheels to assign characters every session, and one of the slots is DM

[inner silo]

I see. Were there any like core rule changes that a 2024 player may struggle with the 2014 version?

[glass granite]

Action surge being able to magic action in 2014 perhaps?

[umbral girder]

Maaaybe exhaustion? Since it’s not a table but a calculation kinda

[glass granite]

Idk, I’m not the most familiar with what changed rules wise

[hollow stone]

well see in my experience the swap from species ASIs to background ASIs was terrifying

[glass granite]

Well, apart from that

[inner silo]

I see

[glass granite]

This was the main thing, I agree

[umbral girder]

But overall 2024 is a lot smoother to run and feels like the same game

[hollow stone]

yea i like 2024 a lot more

[umbral girder]

Oh yeah also the new spellcasting rule

Before it was “if you do a bonus action spell the action must be a Cantrip”

[inner silo]

Alrighty. I'm likely to soon play a 2014 game so hope I don't get lost

[hollow stone]

it does factually have less content because it's just a baby but give it some yesrs to be a new thing

[umbral girder]

So even if you did a bonus action Cantrip the action also had to be a Cantrip

2024 just says “you can cast a spell with a spell with a spell slot once a turn”

[inner silo]

Dam

[umbral girder]

Which “one spell slot a turn” is way easier to remember

Also has obvious openings for shenanigans

Since you can cast spells with out spell slots with magic items, races, feats, and other ways

[inner silo]

Is the 2014 shadow monk good?

[umbral girder]

Decent

[hollow stone]

i've had deep evils whispered in my ear of one Magic action per turn

like you can't Magic more than once

[inner silo]

Worth grabbing eldritch adept for devils sight or asi to make dex 20 and con 16?

[old sluice]

Devil sight is pretty good...

[umbral girder]

Not gonna boost wisdom?

[inner silo]

It's 16

[umbral girder]

Wisdom helps with stunning strike which is wicked strong

[hollow stone]

i think my DM is genuinely just out of her mind

[hollow stone]

she has been playing since 3.5e, so i guess that would take a toll on one's sanity

[inner silo]

The campaign isn't supposed to be that long i think so grabbing 1 wisdom likely won't pay off

[umbral girder]

Also using darkness this way blocks your Allies ability to see

[inner silo]

Or i could grab 1 level of rogue for more damage abd and stuff

[inner silo]

True

[raw ocean]

DM said we have to start using spell components

It’s all over 😔

[glass granite]

It is not that bad

Also, you were casting revivify with no cost?!

[old sluice]

DM should have never allowed you to ignore them

Spell components are an inherent part of the game's balancing

[bronze wave]

It’s annoying so I don’t do it

Tho it is better balanced if used, I find it isn’t to hard to deal with

[glass granite]

Even for things like revivify?

[stuck saddle]

Spell component with a gold cost that is used up can’t be ignored everything else sure lol

[rotund shell]

The only material components that are needed are those that have a gold cost. otherwise, you can use a component pouch (which has the components you need) or a focus.

[stuck saddle]

Like 100 gold orb to cast chromatic orb like are you serious bro

[umbral girder]

Material components*

[glass granite]

Also was gonna say, did they also have no somatic or verbal components?

[bronze wave]

Yup, I had a explanation and then discord deleted it so

[inner silo]

On a 2014 ranged rogue what are the best feats?

[bronze wave]

I think those are easier to deal with

[glass granite]

Skulker ain’t bad

[bronze wave]

Depends on the rogue but prob like sharpshooter, crossbow expert stuff like that

[umbral girder]

Lucky is great

Mobile to stay away

[bronze wave]

Lucky is cool and alert works for assassin

[inner silo]

I see. I can only pick one rn, it's thief rogue btw

[bronze wave]

They get bonus action disengage so idk

[bronze wave]

Get to max dex I’d say. Otherwise I’d go like lucky or sharpshooter

[inner silo]

Ah alrighty

[bronze wave]

Tho I don’t play rogue besides multicasting

[umbral girder]

Don’t need to use the bonus action then.

[old sluice]

I have actually been thinking of just making spell foci and component pouches unavailable...

[bronze wave]

So I’d get other opinions

[inner silo]

Btw can thief rogue focus wis over int?

[umbral girder]

Also the speed bonus multiplies over dash actions. And you get to ignore difficult terrain

[bronze wave]

I guess I mean I think going for a better feat them mobile is just better. I don’t think 10ft does to much

[stuck saddle]

People should force their players to remmeber the material components of spells lol that’s funny asf

[umbral girder]

Well most enemies got 30ft of movement. So you can much more easily stay away from melee which is very common in 2014

[stable solar]

Depends on map size tbh

[bronze wave]

That’s fair, I feel movement isn’t that great often. I think it’s more initial positioning in my experience