dnd-discussion

[humble cairn]

I dunno, ask in #homebrew

[gaunt roost]

it would increase their power, by how much is honestly weapon dependant? Like, critting with a dagger is a lot different than critting with a greatsword (2,5 vs 7 average extra damage, magic weapon shenanigans not calculated in). Its nothing to grandeur in total, but keep that in mind for multiclassing and such? You probably wouldnt give a wizard his level 15 feature at level 3

[old berry]

Worth noting that some rules take alignment into account, so might be worth writing one down even if it is a stupid way of defining personality

[tame estuary]

would it be broken to homebrew and expect every DM to be ok with it? yes

can I homebrew this is a question you should ask people you play with

[tame kelp]

Monk is hit-and-run class?

wait nvm it is

[knotty pasture]

The Monk experience is to punch people while wearing speedos

[tame kelp]

monk weapons is a simple weapon that MUST be only one-handed and NOT heavy?

[knotty pasture]

Yea

[placid rampart]

Wait but isn't a staff used best with two hands

[knotty pasture]

Which basically comes down to javelins, quarterstaves, handaxes, spears, shortswords

Versatile weapons are safe too

[stoic obsidian]

Not really

You don’t need the d8

[knotty pasture]

Staves do more damage with two hands but with one hand you can hold a shield with it

[tame estuary]

staff is best used dual wielded actually

[stoic obsidian]

Staff and shield

[knotty pasture]

Really depends on the class and all

[stoic obsidian]

Best dual weild ( and shill exist)

[knotty pasture]

Spellcasters sure (but why use a staff on a spellcaster if it isn't magical?)

[stoic obsidian]

Tis is true

[knotty pasture]

Monks want to dual wield staves

[tame estuary]

quarterstaff spellcasters confuse me

just use a wand, are you overcompenstating for something?

[stoic obsidian]

Why?

[tame estuary]

you can't use a shield anyhow

[placid rampart]

Quarterstaff has more aura

[knotty pasture]

Holding a shield disables martial arts

[placid rampart]

They have no armor training

Plus the statement above me

[tame estuary]

now if you play a small character and then make yourself tiny, the dual wielded staffs becomes chopsticks

[knotty pasture]

If quarterstaves are not magical its a terrible weapon, if it is magical (and more often than not staves do come with spellcaster effects) you'd run those on spellcasters for the record

[stoic obsidian]

Because quarterstaff scale with martial arts dice, and yeah monk don’t want to use shield, but you got options beyound dual wielding staffs to increase ac

[humble cairn]

There is no such thing as a "One Handed" tag. It only means the weapon cannot have the Two Handed tag. You can still use versatile weapons that can be used one or two handed.

[stoic obsidian]

Get a ring of spell storing with shield spells popped into it

[tame estuary]

bruh

[placid rampart]

Anyways when did they say the Artificer book would release?

[tame kelp]

oooh

[knotty pasture]

At that point I think you'd be missing the point of the Monk lol

[tame estuary]

what's the point of having 5 more ac when I can just deflect the attack? waste of a reaction

[knotty pasture]

Monks need hp not more AC lol they have those in spades

[humble cairn]

Quarterstaff and Spear are the two Monk weapons that are also eligible for Polearm Master.

[stoic obsidian]

That why you get tough feat, and increase con

[tame estuary]

check the events tab

[placid rampart]

Ok thanks

[knotty pasture]

Yea, that or other items that buff con

[tame estuary]

that's why you just disengage and run away smh

[knotty pasture]

Not items that buff AC I think those are relatively low priority

[stoic obsidian]

That too

[humble cairn]

I mean .. until you get rather high level, increasing your AC based only on Dex and Wis is rather hard so the Bracers of Defense aren't a bad pick and other martials won't want them.

[stoic obsidian]

But you can get speedy/mobile so you can do flurry of blows and walk away with oas being at disadvantage

Frankly 2024 monk can be played however you like

[tame kelp]

Okay I read the monk class detail but 2014 now.

What subclass should I try?

I wanna be a monk that moves like water, shapeless, formless.

[stoic obsidian]

For 2014? Ummmmmmm idk

[tame kelp]

You put water in a cup, it become a cup.

You put water in a bowl, it become a bowl.

Be water my friends.

• Bruce Lee

[stoic obsidian]

So plasmoid way of the four elements monk

[tame kelp]

Adaptability is truly one of humanity's greatest strengths.

[humble cairn]

Kensei Monk has a lot of ways they can dial back and forth between offense and defense. Very adaptable, very flexible, but you need to have that tactical awareness to know when to do what.

[tame estuary]

why were you asking 2024 differences when you're playing 2014 anyhow

[tame kelp]

Just in case.

insert a just in a case over here ba tum tss

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah, and that the one subclass that want extra ac in case of tactical blunder

[knotty pasture]

Long Death helps you stay alive, Mercy has built in healing

[keen valve]

Big sticks are cool, and I can easily beat a person over the head with one if I wanted to.

[tame estuary]

well I don't know how to answer any of your questions coming forward then if everything is a just in case

[stoic obsidian]

The reason is because of deft parry

[tame estuary]

for 2014 I like astral self, because it's the closest one to 2024

[humble cairn]

Kensei Monk full offense turn is using their weapon for both attacks as well as using their Flurry of Blows (or possibly a Ki Fueled Attack with their weapon). A full defense turn would be to make one unarmed attack instead of weapon to use Agile Parry, as well as BA Patient Defense. Or you can mix and match offense/defense Action/Bonus Action.

[stoic obsidian]

Yup

[humble cairn]

Kensei can also go full ranged build, unlike most monks.

[tame estuary]

actually if you want fluid monk, you can go with drunken master monk

they weave through the battlefield

[stoic obsidian]

That why bracers of defense and wraps of unarmed prowess are great for a kensei monk tbh

[tame kelp]

dance in a battle I assume lol

[humble cairn]

For any monk subclass, imo.

[tame estuary]

if you want to

but it's more like the water currents bending from the objects in the water

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah, and weapons in general too, never underestimate a monk with a staff of striking

Or a flame tongue

Because all good monks know that you shouldn’t punch everything

[tame estuary]

nah punch everything

[stoic obsidian]

You hands start melting

[tame estuary]

that's what the force damage replacement is for

[stoic obsidian]

I thought it because it less resisted

[tame estuary]

if your DM doesn't give you +3 wraps, cry about it until they do, no flametongue needed

if there's a problem the monk can't punch through, what's the point of the class

[knotty pasture]

I wish Bigboy's Chew Toy is an actual thing in 5e

[humble cairn]

Monks wielding weapons along with their unarmed attacks is also cool.

[stoic obsidian]

Yup

Plus you can use light martial weapons as your monk weapon

The truth is monks using magic weapon isn’t bad tbh

It gives them options beyond the fist depending on what it is

Here the big thing about monks irl, they use staffs, using weapons are in fact martial arts irl

[humble cairn]

Yeah, the idea that "martial arts" means bare hand only is not true.

[stoic obsidian]

Yup

This is advice to dm that think monks only use their fist, they infant don’t just use fist

I know I am ranting but it something that kinda bugs me tbh

[keen valve]

I didn't know people thought that. They definitely don't, they just look coolest when doing that.

[humble cairn]

I dunno I think monks look cool using weapons.

[stoic obsidian]

Me 2

Because the truth is martials are the coolest using all the tools in their tool box

Like saying ranger is the bow class

[humble cairn]

As someone who trained in staff forms and think the look awesome .. more staff monks, pls.

[stoic obsidian]

I want more monk of all weapon varieties

Club Monk

[humble cairn]

Pick up Nick Mastery and totally go Escrima.

Wait club isn't nick, is it?

Light Hammers for Escrima

[stoic obsidian]

You can even use light crossbow I just realize it a simple ranged weapon

Or a short bow

Oh simple melee weapons

Man I need to reread stuff before I speak

Wait greatclub is a simple melee weapon

Now I be making way of the ascendant dragon greatclub monk

Or Goliath elements monk

Take a wild guess at why

[humble cairn]

Hill Giant topple and Grapple? Get big and Grapple Dragons?

[stoic obsidian]

Or become a giant dragon with a big fat kanabo

Or something like it

(Reference to one piece of media)

[humble cairn]

Uhh ....

[stoic obsidian]

Want me to tell you?

[humble cairn]

Sure

[stoic obsidian]

Kaido from one piece

[stoic obsidian]

Why I said one piece of media

[keen valve]

I mean I suppose, but also punching people and knocking them out is awesome.

[stoic obsidian]

Why not both

[keen valve]

I'll be honest, I prefer weaponry, I've always disdained 5e's unarmed stuff.
At least for non-monks. It's just messy imo and should've been reworked in 2024.

[stoic obsidian]

I agree unarmed strikes should damage should be better for all classes tbh

For I find grapple and shove being saving throws to be a good thing

[keen valve]

There's a lot of things that could be better, honestly. I doubt it will be, but at least we're kind of not really heading in a right direction with 5e overall?

Like there's improvements, but then there's just as much new issues being made for the sake of... something.

[marble lion]

maybe its because of dnd's nature of "houseruling is correct" but i never felt like 5e has issues

now that they changed things in new 5e, i feel like there are some issues because they took what i already had away

[humble cairn]

I have not seen much of that series, sorry.

[humble cairn]

I find 2024 to be improved overall.

Besides one or two things, I don't have an issue with the changes.

[keen valve]

I can find a lot of issues in things, but I realize I usually overblow it in my personal perspective.

So you're probably right overall.

[humble cairn]

I feel like the direction is good.

[keen valve]

Except for the weird background stat thing, that is utterly stupid.

I'll always criticize backgrounds though.

[humble cairn]

Yes, they had it right in the UA. Luckily fully custom backgrounds is available in the free rules. I consider it the default.

[keen valve]

Custom backgrounds reign supreme.

[humble cairn]

Ability scores coming from Backgrounds just makes sense. Limiting it to three per Background is weird and unnecessary.

[keen valve]

You can bet your sweet bippy my acolyte of Torm is about to get that +2 to strength and not wisdom.

More acolytes should be weirdly buff imo. Funny image to have players go to a chapel only to get confronted by the muscle squad of all the priests and clerics there.

Just vestments and ripped sleaves.

[marble lion]

what proficiencies do you have

[humble cairn]

The difference between, "Forgive me Father, for I have sinned" and "Sorry, Daddy, I've been bad?"

[keen valve]

D&D, that's about it. I'm pretty bad at most other things.

[knotty basin]

I. Hate. Misnomers.

For example, mindflayers don’t flay minds, they eat them

[keen valve]

I kind of absorb them slowly like a milkshake tbh. As a connoisseur, you should savor it.

[hot marlin]

Technically they also enslave people

That's actually their main shtick. They turn people into cattle

Which... Fair. We do it to cattle after all.

[blissful minnow]

I like journaling in different dnd alphabets because 🤷 but either way I’ve journaled in draconic, dethek, I tried espruar but it’s annoying getting all of the symbols looking not like garbage scribbles, but anyway I thought “hey, I play tiefling, I should try to write in infernal” and this alphabet looks impossible for me to draw, this would all be avoided if I just wrote in English

Also calendars, I like calendars in fiction

[keen valve]

This isn't 1378 anymore, they're people with brains made for consumption. Not cattle.

Besides, just eat criminals. Less heads turned and you even get looked on positively by some people.

[marble lion]

they flay your mind from your body

its symbolical

shaving away until you dont exist anymore

[knotty pasture]

Right? We should call them Ghaik instead

[keen valve]

Im coming for you first.

[violet cave]

technically brain does not equal mind. mind flayer refers more to the fact that they can absolutely ruin you psychically, I'd assume

[knotty pasture]

Chk, istik

[hot marlin]

Who gets to decide what's a criminal?

Criminal is a relational quality. You are or are not a criminal according to a certain law. Who gets to write the laws? Who gets to enforce them? Who gets to decide the punishment?

If someone powerful has an incentive to have more criminals, then it is only a matter of time before the definition of crime is extended to include many actions that have no reason to be on the list, except have more people to feed the illithids.

Imagine a system where slavery is illegal except for criminals, for example. Then there is a profit motive to have as many criminals as possible to have more slaves.

[knotty pasture]

You could eat criminals as a mind flayer but still be glared upon in general and seen as a threat in Faerun

[hot marlin]

So you end up with a system that encourages crime, extends the definition of crime to include acts that would be necessary for survival, or maybe even actions that are completely non-harmful to others. And then incarcerates all those people to feed the illithid. Or to have as many slaves as possible

[stoic obsidian]

The justice system are base on what people think is fair

[hot marlin]

Which people?

Who are the people who get to decide?

[stoic obsidian]

Either the king, the elected, or the people

And gods in fantasy settings

Yet that doesn’t people won’t have different opinions on such

But their also people a system were a magic eight ball decide the rules

[hot marlin]

Yes. Which means the strong get to decide who gets to be a criminal and who gets to be free

The basis of their strength varies, of course

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah

[hot marlin]

So yeah when people say "the illithid/the lich/the vampire should just feed on criminals" my mind goes "I give it two months before it turns into a dystopian hellscape"

[stoic obsidian]

That kinda mess up part in itself strength in number or strength in one the strong decide, but strength is use for good or evil

[keen valve]

Me.

[stoic obsidian]

Should I say to a person own desire

[keen valve]

And you're starting to sound like one too if I'm gonna be honest. Questioning the law is very criminal of you.

[hot marlin]

Now we see the violence inherent in the system!

Help help, I'm being repressed

[stoic obsidian]

portal opens jump in, I take you to safety

Tbh this make me wanna go over how a villain can turn the question “why you hurt people” back on a paladin

[knotty pasture]

Because of their oath

Its especially a no brainer with subclasses like Conquest, Glory, Vengeance, Oathbreaker

[stoic obsidian]

Yup

Even devotion

[knotty pasture]

Any Paladin subclass can hurt people

[stoic obsidian]

Villain: You say you protect the weak, but yet you create the weak by destroying the strong, you let no one become more capable to defend themselves, and I know why, you would lose all purpose, and lose your seat of strength that you use to lord over the weak like a god for you decide who is defended and who is weak, and you ask why I hurt others, why because I am weak person trying to defend myself against your kind

Does this sound like a good villain monologue?

[sleek cloud]

Eldritch blasted by the 7th word

[stoic obsidian]

You get hit by your own eldritch blast by them vortexing warping you Infront of your own spell

Villain: what are you a savage animal?

[sleek cloud]

Yes

[stoic obsidian]

Villian: guess you be howling in pain

starts to break your fingers

[sleek cloud]

I mean, mechanically, vortex warp isn’t a reaction

[stoic obsidian]

Usually, but I am the dm

Plus it a special reaction for this particular villain

Well anyway enough with the funny

Guess I should have a shorter villain monologue I guess

[humble cairn]

NPCs don't play by the rules that PCs play by.

[stoic obsidian]

Also interrupting a villain monologue have consequences you know

Because villains know not everyone gonna let them monologue

In fact imagine the hero attacking villain but they continue to monologue while fighting them

[knotty basin]

This is the only type of monologue I like

[buoyant oar]

Noice, the Forgotten Realms Wiki crossed 60K articles today.

[inner silo]

if making a dexy paladin how bad would using the criminal backrgound be since im losing out on some charisma?

[still plover]

Get 14 in Charisma if you strongly value what it does for you, you'll be okay.

[inner silo]

What should i try to get my charisma to eventurally?

[stoic obsidian]

I feel tempted to build halbard hunter ranger

[sleek cloud]

I’d say minimum 18 down the line

[inner silo]

Alrighty, thanks!

[inner silo]

Stranger with a halberd is quite good i think. Ophidimancer suggested a build like that to me actually when i tried to build one

[humble cairn]

Cleave + Horde Breaker? Yer a walking AOE.

[meager fractal]

that does sound fun

[stoic obsidian]

And add in Pam

I am a dangerous whirlwind of destruction

Mix in fighter for multi class and you get something very interesting

And have the alert feature

[inner silo]

btw 2024 hunter lost their whirlwind ability, just saying incase

[stoic obsidian]

You mean the spell whirlwind?

[inner silo]

the ability to hit every enemy within 5 feet of you

that you used to get at level 11

[stoic obsidian]

You meant 2014 hunter

Wasn’t thinking of that

But hey I found 2024 version of that

[inner silo]

you mean the hoard breaker?

[stoic obsidian]

With halberd

Yes

[inner silo]

yeah. The 2014 hunter had an ability called whirlwind and since you mentioned it i thought thats what you were talking about

[stoic obsidian]

Nope

[inner silo]

alright, then good

[stoic obsidian]

I was imagining spinning the halberd so fast is like a whirlwind

[inner silo]

ah ok

[stoic obsidian]

Now, I gotta think of which species to go with

[inner silo]

I`d suggest you to go with a small aasimar

it would be funny imo

[stoic obsidian]

I am not here for funny

Plus that would look scary

[hot marlin]

Funny is really not the measure by which you should consider character-defining traits

[inner silo]

depends on if youre just looking at a little angel carrying a halebard or being destroyed by one

[inner silo]

Which measure would you suggest?

[hot marlin]

Literally every other measure is if not good at least better

[inner silo]

i see

[stoic obsidian]

I base it on if I think I would have fun with it

[hot marlin]

Funny is the worst one. A good joke is told once, and then you move on. When you make the character itself the joke, you are stuck on the same joke until the end of the campaign

[stoic obsidian]

You can give depth to a joke character tho

[hot marlin]

Funny the first time, might make you smile the second, maybe funny again the third. Everyone will be thinking of strangling you at the sixth time

[inner silo]

like Scanlan from vox machina?

[inner silo]

what happened to 4th and 5th?

[hot marlin]

There is a difference between a character who makes jokes and is a source of occasional comedy and a character defined by the joke

As it stands, it may be personal, but I would walk out of a table with Scanlan in it.

Or with Grog.

[inner silo]

dam

[stoic obsidian]

Sound like you hate vox machina

Or maybe just not to your taste?

I haven’t watched critical roll so idk

[eager marsh]

I think not being a fan of certain tropes and tones of characters that contrast the rest of the group or campaign is a valid criticism

[stoic obsidian]

That is fair, and I respect that

[hot marlin]

Well to be fair, Travis Willingham and Sam Riegel know when to shut up when something serious happens.

[inner silo]

were grog and scanlan contrasting the rest of the world? (asking because i only saw the cartoon where it didnt seem that way much)

[eager marsh]

My knowledge of CR is surface level but I'm aware a lot of it is very performative

I dont watch Critical Role I just know it's had a large impact both positive and negative on the community

I can't stand the idea of watching someone else play D&D when I'd much rather use that time playing D&D myself

[crimson gulch]

A lot of what happens at the critical role table wouldn't fly in my games and I'm a huge fan

[stoic obsidian]

Back to the topic

[potent prawn]

Why are heavy dice "good"?

[eager marsh]

Satisfying clunk

[stoic obsidian]

Joke characters can get annoying if define fully by the joke

[crimson gulch]

For the same reason heavy food is good, you feel it more

[eager marsh]

my friend has a Frenzy Barbarian who is a 'wizard' and he uses 0 magic but every spell is him doing stuff manually. shouting for message, throwing white javelins for magic missile, knock is athletics vs door, etc. I've only played one shots with him and it's fun but idk about a full campaign. that tone would limit what character id play with them

[crimson gulch]

Haha yes, I had the barbarian cast sleep in my last session (non lethal meele attack for a knockout)

[stoic obsidian]

That another thing group dynamics

Sometimes I think you need that one person in a group that kick open the door when everyone else examines doors a lot

[fickle heart]

Group dynamics are definitely very important, aye.

[signal prairie]

Inquiry.

At level 15, can a Swarmkeeper ranger finally be a bee?

[stoic obsidian]

And having contrasting personalities help too

[fickle heart]

If you work to define group dynamics very early on in a campaign, along with building rapport between players, you often get to play more "authentically" because players ideally understand that other players have the best interests of the table at heart.

Had a gr8 session 0 with a few people from this server recently, and the session 1 was definitely made better because of that session 0 and the rapport built during it.

[stoic obsidian]

If you have good schedules for it

[inner silo]

not exactly

[eager marsh]

Well you just host session 0 when you would session 1 so the schedule would be the same

[signal prairie]

This is good news. I can finally be a bee.

[inner silo]

you can walk into your swarm and teleport with it at level 15 as a reaction. If you want to be bee talk to your dm i think

[signal prairie]

This is good news.

[inner silo]

are you sure?

[fickle heart]

Something I've learned over time is that when I join a new group, I try to undersell myself a bit and clearly display some of my potential flaws and my awareness of them.

I've found that it's significantly easier for positive group dynamics to form if people are self-aware and display that self-awareness in a way that allows others to say "I don't like that" without feeling like it's awkward because of the social contract.

[inner silo]

is this so people can easier decide if they do or dont want to play with you?

[fickle heart]

In the grand scheme, yes, but also so that people aren't taken off-guard by certain behaviors that now feel significantly more difficult to approach because they came up during play itself. I don't see it as self-deprecating for someone to be aware of their flaws and display them as much as it is honest.

One of my flaws/boons I'm self-aware of is that how I approach the game ends up with me often getting really into character, meaning that I find it really important to know what people (don't) like and tolerate. My go-to story of this from a few years ago is when a DM set me up with a curse that would basically go against my PC's entire sense of self and I played it up because I was on board with it. Turns out, the other players never got the hints I was putting down and the DM's weakness (in hindsight) was that he approached the game with PCs as unconnected monoliths and was really bad at managing intra-party conflicts/dynamics, meaning we didn't really get a chance to build a meaningful rapport with each other. Ended up being removed from the game but it fell apart 2 sessions later as I heard from another party member, so it apparently wasn't an isolated thing.

Was a valuable lesson to me that building the relationships early was one of the best methods for success, and one of the people I was in that game with ended up introducing me to a group I've been playing with for over a year now and will likely continue playing with for a very long time to come.

Literally all of my worst D&D experiences were with that DM, but those experiences taught me very valuable lessons that help me to this day, so I think it was worth it.

[tame kelp]

Okay so I asked dm who is a mutual now.

that his campaign gonna use 2024 basic rules

@humble cairn

[inner silo]

I see, interesting. Thanks for sharing! I`ll try to keep that in mind too

[fickle heart]

It's funny (but not surprising) that being straightforward with potentially negatively-seen traits ends up making it easier for everyone at a table to play in a way that is overall more fun.

[fathom gate]

Yo! Im getting new dice soon

[inner silo]

Biggest difficulty here is probably identifying and coming forward with these flaws

[inner silo]

Congratulations!

[fickle heart]

That's why it's such a green flag to me when someone can do it

Someone who has that self-awareness is also likely someone who is mature enough to work through stuff with others.

[inner silo]

could you give some tips on how to bring it up?

[tacit jackal]

Hey, I'm having your trouble figuring out how to calculate encounters properly, is there a good vedio or explaination that a five year old could understand out there that someone can point me to?

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah, and sometimes it better to talk with said person if it does come up

Instead of kicking them out without talking

[normal junco]

aaaaaand now shazil's spamming channels.

[stoic obsidian]

Better to place this in #looking-for-players

[stoic obsidian]

Wait

[normal junco]

its literally spam now. posting the same thing in multiple channels, auto-friend requesting on mention, an account that was made nov 7, and at that the account just says "power of money"

[stoic obsidian]

So a scam bot

[snow agate]

me resisting the urge to see a group of a fighter a cleric and a rogue and play a wizard

[fickle heart]

Session 0 is definitely the best time, for sure, but it's never bad to continuously mention that people should feel free to let you know if there are any issues they have with your play. Another way to think of it is that people often provide more leniency for someone who has been transparent about those things, because from an outside perspective you have the impression that said person would actually listen to you if you brought up the issues.

It seems a bit odd to think that people are more lenient towards behavior that involves self-awareness, but I'd speculate it's because someone who isn't aware is much more likely to break the social contract continuously, where someone who is self-aware has the knowledge to act within the social contract if necessary and the knowledge of that possibility makes their behavior seem as if it is acting within the social contract.

[stoic obsidian]

Tbh, I prefer for people to tell me if they have a problem with me

[fickle heart]

Aye, and people are most likely to do that if you give them an outlet or permission to do so.

[clear lark]

Session 0 is a waste of time in my opinion. It's waste of 2 or 3 hours.

[fossil hollow]

ok

[woven flint]

Moth

[stoic obsidian]

Yeah, and I would let them have permission

[woven flint]

the moth
Ti-Moth the Mothy mothingson

[stoic obsidian]

Can you elaborate why?

[lusty tapir]

depends on the players, how well you know the people you are going to play with... etc..
It can be un-necessary, but it can be very important as well

[fossil hollow]

i like it for setting expectations and making sure all of us are on the same page about how the campaign is gonna go

[normal junco]

session zero is great to establish what the tone and theme of the campaign is, for people to get info that will help them pick what kind of character they want, and to get everyone on the same page. however, not every group needs one. if there's communication back and forth between everyone leading up to stuff, most things that would be in a session zero are already covered.

[fickle heart]

Session 0 is like doing a pre-operation check on machinery. It's useless...if the machinery was never going to fail in the first place. Unfortunately, you don't actually know if the machinery was going to fail until after the fact, and if you catch something before you use it, you may avoid the failure entirely.

[fathom gate]

I cast silvery barbs

[stoic obsidian]

Too bad, but it already on the ban list/hj

[fathom gate]

Aw…

I cast catapult then. I want to play fetch with a local dog

[woven flint]

I cast Wish to cast Silvery Barbs, get absoluetly destroyed 😎

[stoic obsidian]

It was casted on you now reroll

[fossil hollow]

ok, you incur wish stress, since silvery barbs isnt a spell in this campaign :P

[woven flint]

Wish SICKNESS, Plebian /hj

[fathom gate]

Tell me what you wish for and i’ll try my best to monkeys paw it

[woven flint]

Hamburger

[fathom gate]

You get sliced ham between two moldy pieces of bread

[woven flint]

I just take the ham and put it on some fresh bread :p

[stoic obsidian]

I wish for a toilet

[fathom gate]

You get a toilet

Nothing for it to lead to anything tho

You just get an unusable toilet

[woven flint]

Me when I use the display toliets at lowe's anyway

[crimson gulch]

Yeah I launch campaigns on about a half hour of startup time then we're playing, unless we are rolling charicters in that first session then it's 45 to an hour

[wispy halo]

I am not bot

[stoic obsidian]

I place the toilet on top of a liches lair

[fathom gate]

Im gonna roll wisdom to see how much brain damage that sentence gives me

Nat 1

[crimson gulch]

My first experience with dnd was with a dm who had a super long session zero and that was because he had so many house rules that were bad and weird, my house rules can fit on an index card so that's not a problem for me

[woven flint]

You die instantly

[fathom gate]

Im a half orc barbarian. Nuh uh

[clear lark]

Now that's about right

[stoic obsidian]

You may not died but you start morphing

[fathom gate]

I stop morphing

[stoic obsidian]

Roll int for the saving throw

[fathom gate]

Thats a -1

[stoic obsidian]

You fully morph into a toilet

Of gold

[fathom gate]

So…do i start rolling death saves or…?

[stoic obsidian]

Roll for flush

[fathom gate]

I wanna play dnd again but i am SO antisocial

[crimson gulch]

The topics of youe typical session zero are important, I just have things laid out In advance and prep things before the session

[fickle heart]

Session 0's usefulness admittedly largely depends on the actual trajectory of the campaign and how variable the play patterns you expect to see are.

[crimson gulch]

Folks can read everything they need to know for the most part before they join

[stoic obsidian]

Oof, well you can participate in dnd beyond playing it

[inner silo]

Tbh we haven't had a session 0

[fickle heart]

I would absolutely not join any campaign of the style I'm primarily interested in without a session 0, and I'd consider a DM or player's minimization of its importance as being a direct reflection of their lack of experience or skill with that style of campaign, with no exceptions.

[stoic obsidian]

Hopefully the dm would tell people that they are new to dming

[crimson gulch]

what style would that be?

[fathom gate]

How exactly? Im sorry if its a stupid question im just a couple braincells away from 3 intelligence

[inner silo]

It's my first campaign and the dm has been a dm for 3 years. I don't really want to leave it as finding a new campaign would probably be pretty hard though I do think a campaign with a session 0 would be better probably

[stoic obsidian]

Watch dnd campaign vods, make fan fiction from dnd lore, make dnd figures, ectra ectra ectra the limits is only up to you

[fathom gate]

Well im watching jrwi rn and I’ve wanted to write about my characters for a long time

[stoic obsidian]

Their you go

[fathom gate]

Thanks for the help

[stoic obsidian]

Np

I cast geas on auto correct

[fickle heart]

Very story driven with nuanced characters that may (and often will) come into conflict with each other via their goals, motivations, and desires. It's a breeding ground for intra-party conflict (and this is often part of the goal through the lenses of the characters) but it also mimics a very authentic social dynamic of an adventuring party. It often goes along with darker themes because that authenticism means you also get those reactions out of the PCs.

Highly volatile, though, and reliant on a mature group that views the campaign as being more important than any one person's character, though.

[inner silo]

Actually we have had barely any between party rp so far

I plan to bring it up before the next game

[inner silo]

Ngl i turned my off it was getting in the way so much

[weak swallow]

I just let my players rp in character while I have to go afk

[fiery nimbus]

Every DnD player should take at least 1 improv class in their life

[stoic obsidian]

I took theater in middle and high school

[weak swallow]

helps characters build stronger bonds and lets me use the bathroom without trying to speedrun it so I can get back ASAP

[fiery nimbus]

Everyone should do it at least once, its a massive help

[stoic obsidian]

You do improve in theater class you know

[fiery nimbus]

I do in fact know

[inner silo]

I don't think my party is too kin on rp, but I'll ask

[inner silo]

I took part in some theateresque stuff but i can't say I'm great at it

[fiery nimbus]

Doesn't need to be great, simple familiarity with the rules is still a massive help

[inner silo]

Rules?

[weak swallow]

tbh as a dm you just gotta read books

[inner silo]

You mean dnd rules?

[weak swallow]

it helps build a story and describe things

[fossil hollow]

Yes

[inner silo]

I'll need to get to that

[fiery nimbus]

Well meant more on how improv works, but that too i guess

[inner silo]

Ah. No I don't really know about that

[fiery nimbus]

Keep on keeping on

[inner silo]

What does that mean?

[neon hearth]

Hey, trying to think if there are any existing features in official content that cause your own character to need to make a Saving Throw when you use them. (ie, when you do this, succeed on a save or else X happens). Mostly looking so I can use that to build something similar in DNDBeyond homebrew.

[weak swallow]

because there's a big difference between "The walls have a fancy fountain with jugs pouring into a pool" and "The walls are lined with decanters of water with streams leading into a reservoir to create a decadent fountain."

[fiery nimbus]

omg is that 4 decanters of endless water, lets dismantle this fountain

[glass granite]

I’ve been playing for two years now and STILL need to prep descriptions, they’re not the easiest to do in improv

[inner silo]

I'll need to start reading books

[weak swallow]

tbh you just have to know a lot of fancy synonyms to make your descriptions more flowery

[glass granite]

I’ll keep that in mind

[weak swallow]

for example
instead of: "The streets are dark, with fog over the town"
try: "The town has a strange feeling of gloom around it that you can't quite shake, the streets foggy and the area dark save for gas lamps hung high on poles"
you just need a lot of filler and flowery language

[inner silo]

Right now I'm kind of multiclassing irl in terms of languages so i know both of them on a pretty decent level but not well enough to actually use these fancy words, synonyms and idioms

[shy stirrup]

In all frankness, one must simply command a large aresneal of similar words so as to paint a more colorful picture of the scene

[weak swallow]

this is where my favorite dinosaur comes in: a thesaurus (badum tss)

[weak swallow]

and this is a perfect example of what you gotta do

[dark rain]

Any TFTSD fans?

[inner silo]

What's that?

[inner silo]

What's that?

[dark rain]

Tales From The Stinky Dragon

[inner silo]

Ah i see

[weak swallow]

basically a dictionary for synonyms and antonyms, the joke was that a lot of dinosaur names end in -saur/saurus

[weak swallow]

might wanna go to #non-dnd-topics , despite it being a D&D podcast it's not really discussing D&D

[dark rain]

Okay

[fossil hollow]

It would fal under #dnd-media

[inner silo]

Thanks for explaining! I'll look up if there's one for my first language and finally start reading the book i borrowed from my friend some time ago

[fiery nimbus]

"The Fog floods the cobblestone street, flowing and shifting like water. You feel its cold moisture upon your skin as it moves past you"

I don't know any fancy words but i think that would be still plenty descriptive

[weak swallow]

yeah, like that. if not big language, then flowery language

[inner silo]

I think for that I'd still need to get reading

[weak swallow]

yeah books can definitely help with learning descriptions

[fiery nimbus]

Fantasy literature is plenty great, i can give you some recommendations if you want

[inner silo]

I simply struggle with forming cool sounding sentences i think as that is a kind of language i rarely use

[inner silo]

That would be delightful

[shy stirrup]

Having said all that about thy flowery speechifying, often just plain simple English (or whatever your language at your table) will do the trick, try not to bamboozle your players in a flurry of words about a simple bucket and mop

[inner silo]

Alrighty, will keep that in mind!

[glass granite]

What if I want to mess with them

[inner silo]

Use a paragraph of words to describe the table your ranger rolled a 20 to look over

[inner silo]

Look over as in look all over it and not as in looking beyond it

[glass granite]

Very well

[inner silo]

Btw hi @glass granite ! How are you?

[glass granite]

Too early to tell, it’s not even 9

But so far? Good.

[inner silo]

Ah, well hope it goes well

[inner silo]

Great to hear!

[fiery nimbus]

Dragon Princess by S. Andrew Swann is great
its a hilarious book about Thief being hired by a wizard to free the princess from the dragon... just for everything to derail immediately

Scholomance trilogy by Naomi Novik
its a book about a magical school, a deadly one. Children are send there and left to fend for themselves as monsters try to devour them for their magic.

Mistborn series by Brandon Sanderson
Can't go wrong with brandon, he is one of the best fantasy writers today. Mistborn series follows a girl called Vin on her way to topple the last emperor.

All 3 Trilogies are fairly light reads so you should be fine

[inner silo]

The first one sounds like a dnd campaign.

[inner silo]

Thanks for the suggestions!

[fiery nimbus]

It very much could be.

In fact i will go and reread this book because its a great comedy

[torpid ocean]

how evil is lolth as a goddess?

[shy stirrup]

Very

[fossil hollow]

Pure chaotic evil

[torpid ocean]

damn what does she do to be that evil

[reef tundra]

Like, the most

[torpid ocean]

is she the most evil god/goddess?]

[fossil hollow]

She not only enjoyed, but thrived upon torture, destruction, and death, whether personally performing it or causing it. Every interaction was ultimately done with malice,[15][26] ill will seething from her every move, and even those who knew her well could be surprised by just how deep her viciousness went.[41] Her malevolence could be compared to the rage of the brutal orc deity Gruumsh, but where his fury was as mindlessly violent as a force of nature, her malice was complicated and deliberate. Furthermore, Gruumsh could at least be said to be steady and constant in his hate, whilst Lolth's was utterly capricious.

[reef tundra]

Lots and lots of murder, and cult running, and murder, and cults, and murder

[reef tundra]

One of, probably

[tulip anchor]

is there a game/tutorial that easily explains how D&D works

[fossil hollow]

#learn-to-play and #dnd-newcomers

[torpid ocean]

I wonder if vecna's more evil

[reef tundra]

Hmmmm, good question

[tulip anchor]

👍

[torpid ocean]

I think vecna doesn't do more outright evil actions

[reef tundra]

Well, he did try to destroy the entire multiverse and start a new one to his liking

[torpid ocean]

rather he's more generally evil, kind of like how bane doesn't do much as a god and prefers his subjects to do the work

[fossil hollow]

I mean... Vecna is also the god of secrets...

[torpid ocean]

yeah that's pretty evil to be honest but it's not like he's trying to do that 24/7

[reef tundra]

I can see that, actually

[torpid ocean]

bhaal's up there with the most evil gods 100%

[fossil hollow]

not everything Vecna does will be documented or told

[reef tundra]

He’s absolutely got skeletons in his closet. And everywhere else because he’s a necromancer

[torpid ocean]

is bhaal's goal to murder everyone btw? like what does bhaal wanna achive

[fossil hollow]

his goal is to spread wanton death

[torpid ocean]

so his goal is to murder everyone

[torpid ocean]

also wanton? like the soup?

[fossil hollow]

Bhaal only lived to hunt and kill, the presence of the living instilling in him an overpowering desire for death and destruction. He was at all times a cruel, violent and hateful being, though his behavior could vary from cold and calculating ruthlessness to a savage thirst for blood.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Bhaal#Personality
Hes essentially a serial killer

[shy stirrup]

Everything you can think of, and more

[fossil hollow]

thats Wonton. Wanton means cruel action thats deliberate and unprovoked

[torpid ocean]

imagine if all the evil gods started working together

the planes would be screwed 💔 😭

[fossil hollow]

usually if they do, it ends up with backstabbing

and the good aligned gods are still powerful

[glass granite]

Aren’t wontons the dumpling

[fossil hollow]

then theres also Ao

[minor lake]

post session anxiety sux

[torpid ocean]

Ao does nothing about evil gods though

[fossil hollow]

dunno, the Chinese restos my family visits have stuff called Wonton soup

[reef tundra]

Shoulda seen umberlee and Auril trying to work together

[fossil hollow]

yeah, but not everythign goes

[torpid ocean]

isn't umberlee the goddess of the sea

[reef tundra]

Ended so badly

[reef tundra]

Yup, and she worked with the goddess of winter for a while

[torpid ocean]

wouldn't that just freeze over all her water

[reef tundra]

That’s exactly what happened

[torpid ocean]

also is there a god of elements? like is there a god/goddess of fire

[fossil hollow]

there are so many

The giants have gods for fire and ice, Surtur and Thrymm, who are also the gods of the Fire and Frost giants respectively

[reef tundra]

I love Surtur

[woven flint]

There's also the primal element deities, though I don't remember their names

[fossil hollow]

Oh Tharizdun was the elder evil of elementals

[torpid ocean]

is there anything close to something like the titans of greek myth?

[fossil hollow]

The titans exist. The greek pantheon is just not active in Faerun

[torpid ocean]

o h

[fossil hollow]

Theyre supposedly in Carceri, which is Tartarus

[torpid ocean]

I mean like stuff BEFORE all the gods, excluding ao

[reef tundra]

If you want elemental titans, the Elemental Cataclysm is the thing for you

[fossil hollow]

not all settings follow the lore of Greek mythos

Titan can also refer to the forgotten type of giants, who ranked above Storm, or the creations of gods used as weapons, like Empyreans, Tarrasques, Colossus, and others

[reef tundra]

Isn’t Theros based off of Greek mythology?

[hot marlin]

Inspired. Rather loosely

[fossil hollow]

inspired, they mostly just replicated the vibe. Its also MtG, so its not too connected to DnD canon.

Well, there was a group of leonin who got isekai'd to Icewind Dale...

[wraith kelp]

anyone know how to make a G sheet?

[reef tundra]

Ah, I understand now

[reef tundra]

I hope they’re coping with the cold well :(

[reef tundra]

What is a G sheet?

[fossil hollow]

Google sheet?

[woven flint]

Finally got my back-up character for Nealens campaign done 😎

[fossil hollow]

spill the beans Tokii

[woven flint]

Hmmmm...

Do I?
Do I say anything about my new lad?

I'll tell you his name:
Sovis Cova

[reef tundra]

SPILL IT

[reef tundra]

Sweet name

[woven flint]

Lots of dms will replace a skill with another skill like that

[reef tundra]

Well there’s the important thing of almost all melee weapons in the game needing strength

[main meteor]

Where did my post go? 😭

[reef tundra]

Themberchaud must have got it

[main meteor]

Themberchaud?

[woven flint]

I've done a few Strength Intimidation checks with my Cavalier Fighter lol

[undone fable]

im building a character.

[fossil hollow]

Themberchaud only eats GIFs

[main meteor]

Anything with Finesse is Dex-based tho

[reef tundra]

Red dragon in dnd lore. It’s just a joke here that Themberchaud eats gifs

[woven flint]

Finesse can be used with either Stat

[main meteor]

Understood lmao well I have the post copied becayse I sent it to a friend

[reef tundra]

Well there’s only life 4 finesse weapons, and none of them have a damage dice that goes above a d8

[main meteor]

It was:

Is it me or does Strength need some kind of buff compared to Dex?

Like Dex is a fantastic stat...it has:

• 3 good skills
• the most commonly rolled saving throw
• initiative
• AC

Meanwhile Strength:

• carrying capacity (which many groups ignore)
• one skill (Athletics, which many groups just allow people to use Acrobatics for)
• one of the least commonly rolled saving throws

Now I know some groups use the optional rule to use alternate stats for certain skills depending on the situation and what the PC does to accomplish a task (like Str for Intimidate), but I still feel like Strength needs some sorta buff. Am I crazy?

[sleek cloud]

This is Themberchaud’s world, we’re all just living in it

[reef tundra]

Don’t get me wrong I agree with you that dex is better, but strength is still pretty important

[fossil hollow]

STR is still used for AC. Heavy armor has a STR requirement

and a crap ton of weapons

[main meteor]

@woven flint Right but if you're using a finesse weapon, you're using Dex anyway

[reef tundra]

Once ran for a party who all used strength as their dump stat and… it was painful

[fossil hollow]

But yeah, DEX is a fantastic stat

[woven flint]

Barbarians should use Strength and Constitution for AC imo
I don't get the point in it being a MAD Class.

[crimson gulch]

Yeah I have ran campaigns with Google sheets

[reef tundra]

You have a point there

[main meteor]

Especially since combat is literally all they do

[undone fable]

have you worldbuild a world

[woven flint]

All you should need for a good Barbarian is Strength, Constitution and a LITTLE Wisdom

[main meteor]

Give the barb something they can do outside of combat. And stuff outside of rage...most Barbarian subclass features outright dont function unless you're raging

[sleek cloud]

Barbs should be the options of Str or dex and con so they’re not just forced into strength

[reef tundra]

Dex is still one of the best stats, but I’ve learned to not take strength for granted

[main meteor]

I also feel like the 2024 version of GWM should just be stock for heavy weapons

[sleek cloud]

Also, give us Strength monks

[woven flint]

I like the fact that Barbarians are forced into Strength because otherwise almost NOBODY would use Strength
As even Dex builds are better for Melee now.

[reef tundra]

As a DM it feels so good to run for a party with at least one strength character, because you can build some things around their strength

[main meteor]

Maybe its just my tables, but I've only seen a handful of Str builds in my entire time playing 5e

It's kinda sad, even Paladins I've seen have been Dex-based

[reef tundra]

Yeah, tables and DMs can make the usage of stats vary wildly

[crimson gulch]

No I just use published settings

[sleek cloud]

Dex dual wielding vengeance paladins are scary now

[wraith kelp]

my dm said if i want homebrew i need a g sheet but i have no idea how to make one cu half of slots hame ?name

[reef tundra]

My players can tell you that strength and intelligence is a very important stat in my game. And whenever I’m a player I rarely see them used

[undone fable]

have you written original adventures?

[woven flint]

My Fighters, Paladins and Barbarians will always be Strength boys, the moment I play a Dex build with any of them is the moment I lose my credibility /hj

[main meteor]

My current group doesn't play with 2024 rules so I dont know much about it, but i know Paladin is in a much different space now

[crimson gulch]

I have ran many custom campaigns yes

[woven flint]

A party always needs at LEAST one person who can do heavy lifting without magic imo

[wraith kelp]

btw uritz when are ur campaign and sessions? what day of the week

[sleek cloud]

he’s busy that day

[wraith kelp]

?

[fossil hollow]

he runs a session every day

[wraith kelp]

cool

[meager fractal]

that would be exhausting

[crimson gulch]

Every day exept Tuesdays, but that may change soon

[reef tundra]

Dear god. I fear and respect such power

[undone fable]

do you have any tips for writing original adventures?

[crimson gulch]

8pm my local time, or 530 pm

[fossil hollow]

you tell him. He's scary no matter what game im in

[wraith kelp]

im a new player im already in a campaign but would love to join more campaigns

[torpid ocean]

chat help me half my school knows dnd through stranger things

[crimson gulch]

Running games is my play and it energizes me from the actual labour of my life

[torpid ocean]

I hate being a DM

[wraith kelp]

bro in my school everyone knows stranger things but no one cares abt the dnd part most of em dont even know what dnd is

[fossil hollow]

grab the Stranger Things starter set and roll with it

[sleek cloud]

Even Urizt honors the sacred tradition of Taco Tuesdays.

[torpid ocean]

that is EXACTLY what I've done

[undone fable]

i love being a dm and player

[crimson gulch]

Yep, start with an idea you can express in a single sentence

[wraith kelp]

nah wait

[buoyant oar]

Same, being a DM is my passion. DM>PC

[torpid ocean]

being a DM is my UN-passion

[wraith kelp]

here

[buoyant oar]

then don't do it.

[torpid ocean]

seriously I would rather work a 9-5 than keep DMing

[buoyant oar]

Then Stop.

[fossil hollow]

If you dont enjoy DMing, nobody is forcing you to DM

[torpid ocean]

and no I'm not stopping because the other DnD groups at my school are hellholes

[undone fable]

Do you like being a DM?

[wraith kelp]

suzie poo do you copy

[fossil hollow]

School is not the only place to play DnD

[torpid ocean]

I have nowhere to go

[buoyant oar]

If you hate running the game. The secret is eventually your players will notice.

[reef tundra]

Online 😎

[torpid ocean]

my LGS is out of spaces and the other ones are unrealistic

[wraith kelp]

i wish atleast someone from my school knew whats dnd 😔

[torpid ocean]

I've read way too many horror stories about online DnD thank you

[fossil hollow]

that wasnt even where i first started playing DnD. My first game was with people from my Youth Group. Then i checked out my LGSs, then i started doing online

[reef tundra]

I hadn’t played an irl game for months before I started playing online

[buoyant oar]

Internet is a godking for getting games about DnD.

I have met thousands of people from around the world because of Online DnD.

[fossil hollow]

Most of those horror stories are usually engagement farm if theyre on sites like reddit

[wraith kelp]

im playing online its not thatt scary

[reef tundra]

Hey, not all games are like that. I’ve been playing for half a year by now and joined many many groups, and I haven’t had a single horror story experience

[wraith kelp]

i mean one player quit on us so its only 5 of us now

[torpid ocean]

I don't know man it seems like a cool idea but I really just prefer irl dnd

[fossil hollow]

also, its usually IRL that gets the horror stories. So many of them are just players cheating or being creeps

[buoyant oar]

Going from strangers on a forum to people flying out to my wedding. Or crossing an ocean to meet up at GenCon.

[torpid ocean]

also I can obtain plutonium easier than figure out how the hell to find games on this server

[wraith kelp]

easy

[buoyant oar]

This server's finding a game section is terrible imo. Other servers are much better.

[wraith kelp]

wait will u be a dm or player?

[torpid ocean]

also the fact that I'm a minor and a lot of games want 18+ people

[woven flint]

It's easier for D&D Irl to also quickly become an unsafe situation lol

[torpid ocean]

player because I hate DMing for people

[wraith kelp]

can u dm me rq

[buoyant oar]

I get that. My games are 21+ Sadly.

[torpid ocean]

whar.

[wraith kelp]

private msg

[buoyant oar]

But that is because our content is not suitable for people underage.

[reef tundra]

No I get that. I’m like the only person I know who runs under 18 games

[woven flint]

Oh! Hey, Kas, I dunno why my head isn't registering people I've seen before, I like saying hi to the nice folk :>

[buoyant oar]

wazzzzzup

[woven flint]

WAZZZZZUPPPP

[torpid ocean]

the sad thing is I wanna keep DMing for people because the people in it went to my club to get away from the bad ones

[crimson gulch]

I love it

[torpid ocean]

but I hate dming for people

[buoyant oar]

Nothing will make you hate the game more than doing things you don't like.

[minor lake]

don't feel obligated

[buoyant oar]

No DnD is better than Bad DnD.

[minor lake]

exactly like dming takes so much work and doing it when you dont really want to is exhausting

[torpid ocean]

but the people playing it I cannot let them down

[undone fable]

you got parties up to level 20 characters before right?

[reef tundra]

It’s not on you to keep doing this, don’t ruin your enjoyment

[crimson gulch]

The horror is real in person too, you gotta be awesome and rise above it no matter how you play

[minor lake]

yeah they can find another dm if you dont wanna do it

[crimson gulch]

5 times so far with 5e

[torpid ocean]

also like all my players are new and that drives me to insanity too

[undone fable]

I wanna be a ranger in one of your games but im not sure when to join

[torpid ocean]

I have told them about 50 times that when I ask for an ANYTHING check it's always a d20

[keen valve]

Imagine having only 21+ players in order for them to legally be allowed in a tavern bar. Would be funny.

[buoyant oar]

Hey there buddy, I am a veteran of this hobby for 25 years.

this mindset will cause you a level of pain that will take you years to recover from.

[minor lake]

i'm feeling a little bad for our dm right now bc he introduced an NPC that i think he really wanted us to sympathize with but the bit has become that we all rag on her

[shy stirrup]

Occupational hazard of being a DM 🤷‍♂️

[wraith kelp]

hellooo?

[minor lake]

true

[wraith kelp]

i asked u smth 😭

[torpid ocean]

then what am I supposed to do? I don't want to let down the people playing the group because they specifically came to my group to escape the hell of the other two

[minor lake]

players gonna play

[fossil hollow]

just dont

[woven flint]

The Waterdeep Group I'm in would like to have a word with your group
We're supposed to be "Good Guys" but we act like the average Waterdeep residents...

Waterdeep is just D&D Detroit

[minor lake]

hahaha regular dudes

[wraith kelp]

soo

[buoyant oar]

"Hey everyone, I know that you are having fun with this game. Unfortunately, I am not in the right space right now to continue with it. I know you are excited for the game, but this is what I need to do right now. If you would still like to continue to hang out and play other games like [LIST OTHER EXAMPLES] that sounds great. I just cannot run D&D at this time."

[woven flint]

No, not regular dudes...
We uh..
We're menaces

We robbed a Gnome from the Xanathar Guikd after intimidating him so badly he passed out
And then the group wanted to extort a noble We just rescued lmao

[buoyant oar]

Your own Mental Health and stability will always come before your players.

Always.

[minor lake]

our dm introduced this woman who lost her family to kobolds and she's like "please, help my town" and then our warlock made the joke "i think she's scamming us" which has become a bit

dm also said he wished we asked her more questions but i honestly don't know what we would ask her bc the only thing we know about her is "woman with no family"

[minor lake]

OMG

[woven flint]

Average Kobold Scam

[torpid ocean]

also the fact that I've already poured about 50 hours of my life planning everything and getting the word out

[buoyant oar]

Sunk Cost Fallacy

[torpid ocean]

only 2 people are in the campaign anyway what's the point lamo

[minor lake]

do you have like a major quest

[woven flint]

To be completely honest, I think my character is the only educated person in the party
(Tortle Knowledge Cleric who works at a Library)
But he's traveling with them for the money and because they make good drinking buddies lmao

[buoyant oar]

In the wise words of Kylo Ren. "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."

[minor lake]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-swolo-ben-solo-star-wars-kylo-ren-wide-gif-23351571

[torpid ocean]

I offer an ancient proverb

the sequels are the most overhated pieces of media ever

[crimson gulch]

Nice, dm me If you want to see what I got right now

[short dune]

My dnd campaign going great called black stone and I’m playing a bard/paladin

[minor lake]

i was a scholar/farmer kid who went for the sense of adventure

[minor lake]

bard paladin is a cool combo

[sleek cloud]

DM’s considering calling it when it starts to go to badly south, “I know what I must do but I don’t know if I have the strength to do it.”

[reef tundra]

Now I may be getting a little off topic with this reply but I agree. They weren’t amazing but I didn’t hate them

[torpid ocean]

I really wanna play a bard that just smashes his intstruments on people's heads

[undone fable]

okay

[minor lake]

rock n roll
i wanna play a glamour bard so bad
huge rockstar energy

[woven flint]

@fossil hollow
Man, we should've streamed that first Waterdeep session 💀
I know you don't stream, but that shit was hilarious

[sleek cloud]

So there’s this item in 2024 called the lute of thunderous thumping, you’re gonna love it.

[torpid ocean]

they weren't amazing but people act like the sequels are the worst movies oat which they far from are

[wraith kelp]

ahhhhh

[short dune]

Trying to see what will match but sadly bard not had time to perform but kill piglins instead only had the one performance but do have a musical sword

[wraith kelp]

guys i wanna play a tanuki but idk what class

[torpid ocean]

but yeah chat I don't even know why I'm running the game anyway where only 2 people are actually coming

[buoyant oar]

Right now, I am running a Living Campaign with 35 players, and two paid games, one has 3 and the other 5. Your games and best players will be there in the good times and the bad times. But if you can't do it. Never force yourself.

The narrative of the forever suffering dm is a stereotype this hobby needs to kill with a blunt hammer.

[reef tundra]

Well I wish you a good and calm ending of the campaign and eventually a lovely time playing

[wraith kelp]

how to make a forum for lfp

[shy stirrup]

So how bout don't. Take a break. One door closes in the universe, another opens.

[hot marlin]

Either don't run it or end it with a bang.

[reef tundra]

And if there are no doors, smash in the nearest wall

[shy stirrup]

Or that

[hot marlin]

That bang should be a PC's chest exploding as a hundred slaadi tadpoles burst out

[reef tundra]

Perfect

[glass granite]

Do /looking-for-players

[vale sage]

Hello

I've been doing more work on my bog elf design

[torpid ocean]

could a half tiefling reasonably exist?

[hot marlin]

It's kind of a logical paradox

Tiefling already means "half", or "quarter" or whatever

[torpid ocean]

yeah considering tieflings are already only a quarter devil

devils are full, cambions are half, tieflings are quarter

[hot marlin]

So that person would say "I'm one eighth yugoloth", but that's... Well that's just a tiefling

[fossil hollow]

Tieflings arent really a percentage

[vale sage]

Slightly sunburnt

[fossil hollow]

theyre just folks with varying amount of fiendish connection

[vale sage]

"Finnish"

[hot marlin]

It's kind of a binary. Either you have enough fiendish essence to be a tiefling or you don't in which case you're just a human

[undone fable]

Finnish connection!

[minor lake]

Someday I'll find it, the fiendish connection, the tieflings, the kobolds, and me!

[sleek cloud]

I always knew something was off about Finland

[shy stirrup]

now I wanna make a fiendish nation called Fiendland

[wispy wing]

haha

[tulip anchor]

when trying to configure Adventurer, what things I need to look for to define it?

[minor lake]

Do you mean like the Adventurer background?

[tulip anchor]

Adventurer in general: class, school (or whatever it's called), background, race. Do these contribute to skills he'll have aside from class and its sub-type?

[minor lake]

the race will, some backgrounds do

[cerulean ivy]

Howdy friends! I've been playing/running dnd for over a decade and I'm looking to really step up my game in both aspects. Is this the right place to go?

[minor lake]

Check out the players handbook

[minor lake]

Hi welcome!!!

[shy stirrup]

100%. But this is kinda the general lobby chat, check out the channel list for further topics

[reef tundra]

#dnd-newcomers are much better with explaining things to newcomers

[marble lion]

but

[cerulean ivy]

I'm not necessarily new, just looking to hone my craft.

[tulip anchor]

cause, for now, I tried to configure Bard class with its base abilities, then add on subtype abilities (College of Whispers), and no, not like all abilities, but just like 1 site I found describes: 3rd level: unlocks 1 of 3 abilities shown here

can't spell this site apparently

[wispy wing]

Species: gives you some features for example humans get inspiration, wood elfs get better mobility and darkvision
Class: gives you armor prof, skills, hit dice
Subclass: more stuff
Background: gives where to put your extra ability points

I prefer the paper Player's Handbook but if you dont have that go here https://www.dndbeyond.com/character

[tulip anchor]

so what are these 2 and do they affect anything: Nar and Faceless

[wispy wing]

Are those part of the official rules?

[tulip anchor]

from what I've read: Nar is ethnicity, Faceless is background

[wispy wing]

I dunno what those are. Dont think they are part of the official stuff?

[reef tundra]

Never heard of them in my five years of playing

[fossil hollow]

Faceless is an actual background. Youre basically batman. Nar is probably a human ethnicity from Forgotten Realms

[crimson gulch]

Nar as a human ethnicity in the forgotten realms and faceless as a backround from baulders gate

[woven flint]

WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN SAY...
MY NAME...

[crimson gulch]

They are office, if niche

[undone fable]

Well, are nar and faceless both in the new books

[fossil hollow]

Nar might have been mentioned, faceless has not been reprinted

[crimson gulch]

No, those are older options

[inland tundra]

Who’s had a chance to see the new subclasses for 2024 edition

[undone fable]

Are they in older books?

[fossil hollow]

theyve been out for almost over a year now

[crimson gulch]

Yes

[tulip anchor]

yeah, wasn't sure about it, cause when I tried to find from which expansion it is, Faceless was from Baldur and Nar is from Forgotten

[hot marlin]

Nar are indeed a human ethnicity. Basically mongols.

[fossil hollow]

yknow, it kinda weirds me out that humans have more ethnicities than other races

[crimson gulch]

There are plenty of ethnicities of dwarves and elfs in campaign settings

[undone fable]

Is it possible to have negative charisma for a character?

[wispy wing]

Ok I see Nar is mentined in the forgottenrealms websites

I have the PHB 2024 paper book and neither Nar nor Faceless are mentioned there

[proven mountain]

You can have a negative modifier

[undone fable]

i can?

[crimson gulch]

That is because the phb 2024 is ment to be setting Nutral and dose not have specific details from specific campaign settings , just broad strokes

[fossil hollow]

thats because the PHB does not cover any particular setting. Nar is setting specific.

[proven mountain]

Yes, if it's below 10 than your modifier would be a negative

[sleek cloud]

Everything below a 10 score will be a negative modifier

[hot marlin]

Yes but humans have no subspecies, just ethnicities. In Forgotten Realms lore all elves and dwarves and whatever can trace their ancestry to one event. Humans have migrated in a hundred different waves to Toril

[sleek cloud]

So like 8-9 would be a -1 modifier

[undone fable]

i have a 9 in con on my character

[fossil hollow]

yeah, but elves and dwearves are still pretty widespread across FR, like the elves in Maztica are different from the typical Sun elf

[wispy wing]

9 CON is a terrible number

[hot marlin]

So that... Technically explains why humans are more culturally diverse. There is cultural diversity in other species, that said. Drows have three different ethnic groups. And as you said, the elves of the west are very culturally different from the elves of Faerûn

[marble lion]

i think humans having so many ethnicities is for 2 reasons
theyre what we all are irl
other species are already different, just for not being human, so the team decides its worth more to make more humans than to make a different kind of other species sometimes

it is a game made my humans after all

[hot marlin]

Try living through an adventure where the rogue decided to put 8 in con and take no proficiency in stealth. And the barbarian decided that dex was more important than strength in order to fight with a whip.

[tulip anchor]

so, do these mentioned do affect skills or not?

[hot marlin]

Anyways there is another thing about human ethnicities.

[marble lion]

i do not recommend putting con below 12, not even mentioning below 10

[sleek cloud]

Rip

[hot marlin]

It'a a matter of fantasy worldbuilding. Are the other species just other kinds of people or are they magical?

[sleek cloud]

I never put con below 14

[crimson gulch]

You can add as many ethnicities of dwarves, gnomes, dragonborn ect as you want to your own writing too

[tulip anchor]

so, do these mentioned (Nar and Faceless) do affect skills or not?

[hot marlin]

Are elves people, or are elves immortal semi-spirits of the woods with wisdom and history you can't even conceive?

[fossil hollow]

Nar does not. Faceless, as a background, gives you skills and tool proficiencies

[hot marlin]

Tolkien chose the second one. Admittedly, the second option only really works if you have few non-human species.

[crimson gulch]

Some elfs go one way, some another way and others are secret third forth and 5th options

[tulip anchor]

ok, so what was Faceless classified as again?

[buoyant oar]

Not to mention that humans are also one of the original species on Toril. They predate elves and dwarves by a wide margin.

[fossil hollow]

Background

[crimson gulch]

I thought elfs came first to toril

[fossil hollow]

wait por que? I thought they were the sudden late arrivals from Ao-knows-where

[hot marlin]

Elves are older but entered Toril later

[tulip anchor]

ok, so Background, Class, Subclass, and Species do add on to skills adventurer has

[buoyant oar]

Humans are one of the five creator races of Toril.

[fossil hollow]

Ive always thought it was:

• Giants/Dragons
• Elves/Dwarves/Orcs/Gnomes
• Humans

[tulip anchor]

Occupation, Flaw, etc. does not, correct?

[reef tundra]

Same

[buoyant oar]

Humans have been on Toril since the Days of Thunder -35,000 DR

[wispy wing]

If Nar counts as generic human then you get:
humanoid form
medium or small size
speed 30 ft
skill: select one skill
gain one origin feat
get heroic inspiration 1/RL

[hot marlin]

Basically, according to relatively recent lore that could be seen as contradicting older lore, in the beginnings Toril basically only had Sarrukhs, bird people whose name I forgot, amphibious people whose name I forgot, and humans. Who evolved there naturally in theory.

[fossil hollow]

Nar would be generic human for stats. Ethnicity is mostly flavor and character stuff

[hot marlin]

Oh wait I'm forgetting one.

[buoyant oar]

During the Days of Thunder (−35,000 DR to −30,000 DR) on the supercontinent of Merrouroboros, humans were a primitive race, similar to apes. Tribes of humans largely inhabited the land later known as the continent of Katashaka. They used simple tools, banged rocks together to make fire, and dwelled in caves. According to Bazim-Gorag, a batrachi (another of the creator races) they hid in caves in fear—he called them "Meat".

[tulip anchor]

@wispy wing , correct? Those affect, the rest does not?

[fossil hollow]

... TTRPGs really like their elder frog peoples

Well. Warhammer isnt exactly a TTRPG

[hot marlin]

I don't know if those early humans would have been homo sapiens though. Maybe homo neanderthalis.

[buoyant oar]

Humans, Batrachi, Aearee, Sarrukh, LeShay

[marble lion]

leshay are the fey?

[buoyant oar]

Progenitor to fey

[wispy wing]

That depends on what you mean with skill. Skill is strictly defined in DnD. If you use skill as a generic word then yes, all those give you skills.
@tulip anchor

[torpid ocean]

hags are fey right?

[hot marlin]

Wait that doesn't make sense. Leshay were fey. They would have been in the feywilds not Toril

[marble lion]

yes

[undone fable]

10 in con

[fossil hollow]

typically. Night hags are fiends

[hot marlin]

Yep

[torpid ocean]

so elves are related somewhat to hags. weird.

[fossil hollow]

same way the Unseelie and Seelie fey are

[buoyant oar]

The LeShay are not natives. But they are counted amongst the creator races

[torpid ocean]

yeah I'd imagine they're connected loosely like how we're loosely connected to primates

[hot marlin]

Somewhat. In the same way that I am related to a canary. We do have a common ancestor.

[torpid ocean]

so elves and hags don't have a common ancestor?

[hot marlin]

In the case of the canary, that common ancestor was before the triassic era if I'm not mistaken.

[fossil hollow]

They do, the same way most people will claim we are all from the sea

yeah, like Incubus says it

[tulip anchor]

skills like Bardic Inspiration, Spells, Jack of All Trades, etc. Cantrips also count, that's what I mean mainly

[fossil hollow]

those arent skills, those are class features

[torpid ocean]

is there a god of fey?

[hot marlin]

More than one

[fossil hollow]

Skills refer to Acrobatics, Perception, etc

[buoyant oar]

The first known dwarven settlements on Abeir-Toril originated from the mountains of Yehimal. These dwarves settled underneath the junction between the three continents of Faerûn, Kara-Tur, and Zakhara, and migrated in all directions from there, spreading across the face of all the planet, except for those who migrated northwards and came to rest in the mountains of Novularond, becoming the ancestors of the arctic dwarves.

[hot marlin]

A lot of gods are fey-like or make their home in the feywilds.

[tulip anchor]

ok, but this is what I meant. Traits, class specifics, race specifics, etc.

[torpid ocean]

is lolth considered a fey goddess considering she's goddess of the drow?

[wispy wing]

Then yes. You get "skills" from all of those.

But skills in DnD vocabulary is defined here
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/phb-2024/playing-the-game#SkillProficiencies

[hot marlin]

Auril for example. The archfey, like archdevils and demon lords, count as demigods somewhat. The elven gods are like halfway between celestial and fey. Or fiendish and fey

[marble lion]

skill in dnd refers to the little list on a character sheet going through atheltics to stealth to survival

[hot marlin]

And from the example of Auril it can be extrapolated that the "weather" gods are fey but that is unconfirmed

[marble lion]

skill is not "everything that lets you do something"

[buoyant oar]

Lolth is a member of the Dark Seldarine she isn't a fey goddess.

[marble lion]

skill is specifically a d20 referring thing in the skills category

[buoyant oar]

Elves are Fey-like but they are not distinctly Fey.

[torpid ocean]

are drow even fey?

[buoyant oar]

At least in the realms.

[hot marlin]

No, humanoids

[wispy wing]

Skill

Acrobatics
Animal Handling
Arcana
Athletics
Deception
History
Insight
Intimidation
Investigation
Medicine
Nature
Perception
Performance
Persuasion
Religion
Sleight of Hand
Stealth
Survival

[fossil hollow]

theyre descended from Fey. Hence Fey Ancestry

[hot marlin]

If you wrote a statblock for Lolth, it would be fiend though. For Corellon, celestial. But the other gods? Especially the outliers of the pantheon like Shevarash? I'd go with fey

[fossil hollow]

I would think Corellon's statblock is Fey

[torpid ocean]

is there a god of the nine hells?

[fossil hollow]

Thats Asmodeus

[tulip anchor]

Spells I only understood as Spells for class specifically. Not every class has them

[hot marlin]

More than one.

Tiamat lives there. Asmodeus rules. Probably a few more. And archdevils are usually counted as semi-divine.

[wispy wing]

Correct. Monks do not have spells for example

I recommend this resource
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/br-2024
I is the most important stuff from the player's handbook in a free format

[buoyant oar]

Tbh I would prefer WotC never stat a god again but if they did. Make Deity its own creature type.

[hot marlin]

Honestly, deity could just be a creature tag like titan

I like the fact that some gods are fiends, some are celestials, some are fey etc.

It showcases a certain diversity.

[wispy wing]

And you can use this to get started with character creation if you dont want to read.

https://www.dndbeyond.com/characters

It has the bard class for free but not the whisper subclass. You will have to test some other subclass that is there for free.

[torpid ocean]

would a god like myrkul have the undead tag?

[hot marlin]

In theory.

[torpid ocean]

would bhaal have a tag? isn't he technically dead

[hot marlin]

Especially after his death. Technically in Mask of the Betrayer he could be targetted by an ability that only affected undead

[buoyant oar]

Yesn't

[torpid ocean]

he lost his true form iirc

[hot marlin]

Bhaal before his death, if I statted him, I'd go with humanoid or fiend. After, yeah, probably undead

[torpid ocean]

so basically he's still there but he has no physical body, that's why he made the bhaalspawn

[fossil hollow]

Bane seems Fiend

[torpid ocean]

I think bane was just a human? don't quote me on it though

[fossil hollow]

all of them (the Dead Three) were humans

[torpid ocean]

oh rlly? I thought bhaal was an elf for some reason

[buoyant oar]

The Dead Three are in a strange place.

Bhaal was killed only because he was made mortal and forced to inhabit a mortal form.

Bane resurrected himself by subsuming his son Iyatchu Xivm.

Myrkul al-Kursi just really liked bones.

[hot marlin]

All three. It takes a human to decide to walk up to the palace of the fourth most powerful god of that time and decide to beat him up for the throne

[undone fable]

The dead three? is that faerun lore?

[fossil hollow]

also, his more human looking appearance doesnt mean he cant be fiendish. Lots of fiends take a humanoid shape...

Illmater is human looking, but id slot him in as Celestial for a statblock

[valid geyser]

Yeah I think we’ll probably get more albeit in a weakened form like exists in certain adventures

[buoyant oar]

Also bring back Jergal's bug like appearance you cowards.

[atomic kayak]

As long as they stick with just statting out avatars (which is all they've done in 5e, yes even that one) its fine

[torpid ocean]

the dead three are the three faerunian gods of death being
myrkul the lord of bones
bane the lord of tyrants
bhaal the lord of murder

they got their power by making a deal with the original god of death, jergal

[buoyant oar]

Now some guy with the best muttonchops around is the Lord of the Dead.

[hot marlin]

Jergal was originally the god of death and other associated concept. Three extremely powerful human adventurers decided to claim his divinity. When they arrived, he saw them as his chance to retire and offered to divide his portfolio between them. He kept his part as god of scribes and record-keepers, Myrkul took death, Bane tyranny, Bhaal murder. They proceeded to be general menaces for a few centuries until they were killed during an edition transition event

[torpid ocean]

so you know in baldur's gate 3 when you fight myrkul he's called an apostle of myrkul

[atomic kayak]

its an avatar of him yes

[torpid ocean]

what's an apostle?

[fossil hollow]

A follower

[atomic kayak]

The easy way to know if you are fighting an avatar? If you kill it does it actually kill the god in totality? If so, its not an avatar.

[hot marlin]

It's a term from real life. From greek "apostolos" meaning "sent by".

[torpid ocean]

so would an apostle be an avatar sent by the god in question

[fossil hollow]

not always

[hot marlin]

It means someone who is a high-ranking servant of a divinity on a mission from them

[atomic kayak]

I believe that that instance is even referred to ingame (at a later point) as an avatar of myrkul

which, tracks with the previous

[fossil hollow]

Apostle usually implies that its not the actual guy themself doing the mission

[hot marlin]

Anyone can be an apostle. Even a god can call themselves an apostle of something.

[atomic kayak]

I'll be honest I think 90% of the reason its called an apostle is simply because it makes a cool name

[hot marlin]

It's just a title.

[buoyant oar]

Gods can and do serve other gods.

[fossil hollow]

yeah

[raw ocean]

Dog my party wizard is talking about sum “you can just recharge wish rings” is this factual or are they tweaking?

[hot marlin]

Not to be confused with an apostate which has almost the opposite meaning

[buoyant oar]

The dragon gods and Asgorath, the elven gods and Corelleon. The Faerûnian gods and Lord Ao. Lord Ao and the Luminous Being.

[marble lion]

is asmodeus even an actual god in FR?

[fossil hollow]

yes

[hot marlin]

Tweaking. Borderline cheating

[marble lion]

hmm i always thought demon princes and arch devils werent actual gods

[buoyant oar]

Yes. He became a god by stealing Azuth's power in the wake of the Spellplauge.

[fossil hollow]

Incubus using tweaking?

[torpid ocean]

so who is the guy that made EVERYTHING

[marble lion]

oh right he did that i forgot that

[fossil hollow]

Theyre not, Asmodeus is just a god who is also an Archdevil

[buoyant oar]

In Toril, Lord Ao

[hot marlin]

I still think the luminous being is just Ao's non-divine completely mundane boyfriend.

[raw ocean]

Interesting…

[buoyant oar]

And they were roommates.

[torpid ocean]

no but EVERYTHING. ALL THE PLANES.

[fossil hollow]

all of Realmspace

[hot marlin]

The guys who wrote the setting. It's a long list of writers

[buoyant oar]

Unknown. Perhaps they have always been.

[torpid ocean]

so there's no in-lore supreme god

[hot marlin]

Nope.

[fossil hollow]

I swear to god FR is just some tired coder's program running

[torpid ocean]

besides ao of course

[hot marlin]

Ao is only "supreme" in the realms. He has no powers outside of them

It is possible that he doesn't even have the ability to leave the realms

[buoyant oar]

AO is only one Overgod. And just of realmspace. He is not even the only suspect Overgod of realmspace.

[marble lion]

time of troubles was just the boss calling all the code engineers to actually work a full week in the office for once

some died

[hot marlin]

Actually it was the boss firing everyone on a tantrum and then hiring them back

[marble lion]

no no the joke is that code engineers are just chilling at home 24/7

[buoyant oar]

Because his house was broken into

[torpid ocean]

yeah the time of troubles were when all the gods became mortals right

[hot marlin]

Also Ao did not create the realms.

[marble lion]

being "mortal" is being in the office here

[fossil hollow]

he moderates it

[atomic kayak]

Ao wants to be bothered as little as possible

[hot marlin]

By all accounts the first deities to actually work on creating stuff are Shar and Selune

[buoyant oar]

AO, is a discord moderator confirmed.

[torpid ocean]

ao seems like a bum ngl

[fossil hollow]

thats literally how i view the FR gods. Mods and code

[buoyant oar]

Ao is Balance. Balance precisely meaning you don't get what you want all of the time.

[atomic kayak]

• People overreact to his behavior
• Wants to do as little as he needs to do
• Has a lot of power but generally doesn't use it
• ???

Sounds right

[fossil hollow]

you joke, but thats literally how i view em

[torpid ocean]

so is ao the game dev who balances all the characters in his fighting game

[buoyant oar]

Other suspected Overgods are The Celestial Emperor, Fate, and Maztica.

[hot marlin]

Gods are generally very boring people. Do not bother with them

[fossil hollow]

Celestial Emperor like the guy from Eastern folklore?

[torpid ocean]

the dark powers could also be overgods, we really don't know

[hot marlin]

Instead may I introduce you to the wonders of demon worship?

[buoyant oar]

But not of the Forgotten Realms

[fossil hollow]

FIEND

[buoyant oar]

Kara-Tur really do be like that sometimes.

[hot marlin]

ALLEGEDLY

[crimson gulch]

Anything is possible, you can take or leave what you like from offical settings

[torpid ocean]

incubus is asmodeus confirmed

[fossil hollow]

The evidence at this point is pointing

[fossil hollow]

goddammit, they literally copy pasted?!

[hot marlin]

Pointing at you slandering me, yes

[fossil hollow]

Its not slander if you keep giving reasonable excuse and evidence

[hot marlin]

Does the Celestial Emperor have a nephew who is a god of water engineering who, weirdly enough, is the best fighter in heaven?

[torpid ocean]

is io an overgod?

[buoyant oar]

When your setting is made in 4 weeks....

[fossil hollow]

god i hope if they go back to kara tur its great

[buoyant oar]

Let me tell you about the Mad Monkey... Hu Sen.

[hot marlin]

... The mad monkey. Really?

[fossil hollow]

I will make Kara Tur great again!

[buoyant oar]

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Monkey_(demigod)

[hot marlin]

(I was referring to Erlang, nephew of the jade emperor in Chinese mythology, who is the only one who succeeded in beating Sun Wukong)

(He's the god of water engineering. Yes, seriously)

[fossil hollow]

goddammit TSR(?)

[buoyant oar]

Yes TSR.

[hot marlin]

People crap on WOTC but honestly they harmed the setting less than TSR

[fossil hollow]

looks like they can escape the Satanic Panic, but not the Stereotype Gripe

[hot marlin]

TSR gave us the... Let's call them the "ethnic fantasy" continents.

In order to not call them racist

[buoyant oar]

Yeah. TSR had a lot of issues with hyper stereotypes. They had one half decent take.

[hot marlin]

The worst you can say on WOTC's handling of the setting is... 4th edition lore. Which, alright, is crap

[buoyant oar]

Zakhara, is the best of the bunch. And even still requires a deft hand.

[fossil hollow]

but i feel its less racist than TSR's

flipped through a copy of Oriental Adventures my LGS has in their DnD room... it was interesting

[hot marlin]

Well it's not really racist, it sucks because it's nonsense that introduces idiotic retcons that serve no purpose.

[buoyant oar]

Which one 1e or 3e