dnd-discussion

[serene garnet]

I want a more human one

[celest aurora]

heads back to the shadows

[past blaze]

a "human with dragon features" would likely be a human sorcerer (Draconic Bloodline) and/or have one of the dragon feats from Fizban's

[hollow owl]

I like to have a wide range of ocs

[woven flint]

guh.

[serene garnet]

Okay.

[celest aurora]

I've just been enjoying being a litch hellhound

[hollow owl]

Yeah. I don't follow the norm for character ideas lol

[serene garnet]

Same

[woven flint]

I've enjoyed....
Existing

[hollow owl]

I'd uh show them off but, the outfits are a little spicy lol

[serene garnet]

Show them in my dm

[celest aurora]

Dah plug

[serene garnet]

I love femboys anyway

[hollow owl]

Oh Okays!

It will be a couple mins. Had to get a new phone so gotta resave them!

[serene garnet]

Fair

[woven flint]

_>

Folks, try to keep in mind that this server also has minors in it.

[serene garnet]

Ik

[sharp temple]

they are heading to Dm's

[serene garnet]

That's why I said show in dms

[woven flint]

I know, but still

[celest aurora]

Hey tokii long time no see

[woven flint]

pardon?

.w.

[serene garnet]

Wsg

[mighty quartz]

[cerulean monolith]

Anybody made or experienced a fun fantasy siege weapon in a game?

[woven flint]

No, but I'd sure love to, also, heya, Sam!

[knotty pasture]

Speaking of siege weapon, I saw someone once suggest that Eldritch Knights can bound most things in theory, that includes siege weapons

[woven flint]

Your about me...
It's all Australian Flags!

[knotty pasture]

Watch it recall a trebuchet out of nowhere in the middle of a dungeon

[celest aurora]

Huh

[cerulean monolith]

They can only bind weapons which are a specific list of items

[knotty pasture]

Shame, it would have been funny to really stretch its limits

Actually wait it said you can magically bound a weapon, a trebucket is a siege weapon, so...

[narrow moss]

isn't a specific list of items though

man idk enough about ek's in this system. might look at it later.

[cerulean monolith]

Yes it is. Weapons are a specific class of object

[knotty pasture]

Here's the text:

"At 3rd level, you learn a ritual that creates a magical bond between yourself and one weapon. You perform the ritual over the course of 1 hour, which can be done during a short rest. The weapon must be within your reach throughout the ritual, at the conclusion of which you touch the weapon and forge the bond."

[narrow moss]

well in that case

[cerulean monolith]

The PHB has a list of what is considered a weapon. It clearly defines what those things are

[knotty pasture]

I know its not intended, but you can totally argue with a DM over what you can actually drag over in the middle of a dungeon

[cerulean monolith]

The Weapons table in this section shows the game’s main weapons. The table lists the cost and weight of each weapon, as well as the following details: […]

[cerulean monolith]

You can argue with a DM over anything. But that’s 1. Bad faith and 2. Factually wrong in this case

[knotty pasture]

Damn

[narrow moss]

maybe in a specific homebrew setting there could be siege ek's for wartime lol

it is fun to consider, but apparently not RAW. aww.

[cerulean monolith]

I mean… there’s easier spells for that

[woven flint]

Fireball :>

[narrow moss]

oh i know.

i'm thinking over battlefields. macro.

probs not the game i'd be playing though.

[cerulean monolith]

D&D doesn’t support macro combat

[narrow moss]

i know. hence why i said homebrew.

it's not something i'm trying to argue for. I just think it'd be a neat idea.

[cerulean monolith]

It has the rules in Dragonlance and mob rules in the DMG24 and swarms in DMG14. But none of those come close to macro combat. D&D itself isn’t compatible with stuff like that, it wouldn’t work within the system. You’d have to find another system to play for that stuff

[fossil hollow]

the dragonlance module tells you to buy a supplement board game for the mass combat

[narrow moss]

i had no idea

i did say homebrew, didn't I? it's fine let's just move on

[atomic kayak]

In addition to this note that a trebuchet is actually classed as siege equipment

[past iron]

This might be a dumb question, but how exactly do you read a d100? Like, the d10 and d%?

[lofty bobcat]

God, I hate being a DM sometimes

[narrow moss]

rough day?

[pastel valve]

True

[lofty bobcat]

Just came up with a sorcerer that uses her blood as a focus, and I think that's such a cool concept and I wanna play it so bad

[narrow moss]

ah that's why lol

[lofty bobcat]

me making the next evil group all of the pc's that I make but can't play

[pastel valve]

To read a d 100. Your read the 2 digit dice first then the single

[knotty pasture]

Draconic Sorcerer with the white dragon lineage, but their frost breaths are made of frozen blood

[past iron]

Ah okay

[knotty pasture]

Any water or ice related spells are made of blood or frozen blood

[pastel valve]

Ok here me out a level 4 druid then 2 levels in sorcerer.... Total power build if you play it right

[pastel valve]

Np. Took my for ever lol

[knotty pasture]

Blood loss you may say? Nah, this sorcerer has blood bags stashed away

[past iron]

Mmmm health hazard.

[lofty bobcat]

are you... mocking me?

[knotty pasture]

No I'm dead serious

[narrow moss]

from the blood loss?

[knotty pasture]

Yeah cuz how can you justify shooting streams of (frozen) blood constantly

It doesn't have to be a literal item its just flavor

[narrow moss]

i feel like i've lost the plot somewhere.

[fossil hollow]

the d10 is the ones digit, and the double digit is the tens digit

[knotty pasture]

There's no water based sorcerer subclass that one can reflavor into a blood based sorcerer

[past iron]

How about 00 0?

[knotty pasture]

The closest is draconic sorcerer > white/silver draconic ancestry which has ice damage

[fossil hollow]

00

[past iron]

So there's no 100?

[fossil hollow]

tables that use d100 will say 00 instead of 100

[past iron]

Ohhh okay. So 00 is technically 100.

And I assume 00 7 is just 7?

[pastel valve]

Yes

[past iron]

Ah okay I get it now.

[snow agate]

as an entirely subjective question do you guys prefer characters that are more broad in their skillset and narrative application, or characters that are more specialized and focused on a theme

[past blaze]

yeah 1-99 is normal
you can't roll a 0 on a d-anything, like a d6
so the 00 0 is the only other thing it could be, 100 on the d100

[narrow moss]

dunno. I'm just centering it around an idea for me

as long as it's fun and interesting.

[knotty pasture]

I think I find a compromise for mines

For what its worth the Barb is not utterly stupid, and has rare moments of solemn insight and can do various things (to varying success)

But at the same time there is a clear theme that they work towards/is centered around

[grim fulcrum]

Right, time to figure out how to do dm stuff

[narrow moss]

gl

[umbral girder]

Make 5-8 encounters. Make some fighting, some talking, some neat exploration. Have loot and a climax to the adventure. Then you are pretty much ready.

[grim fulcrum]

noice

[umbral girder]

Expect most battles to be Normal/moderate difficulty except the boss fight

The difficulty in DnD is a matter of attrition

[cerulean monolith]

Obviously the correct pathway is to make a low level party fight a dragon

[cinder timber]

is the linguist feat removed from 2024?

[grim fulcrum]

Actually running my like 2nd session ever rn; it is a mostly rp heavy campaign set in low magic near no sci-fi setting, where it is about more detective work, and preventing the Seminal Castrophy of the 20th century. There has been 1 real fight so far, which was super fun; it was mostly a strategy based one, where they had to use their brains and they liked it.

[fossil hollow]

it just wasnt reprinted

for some reason, alongside dungeon delver

[pastel valve]

What was y'all's biggest party you ever played with? How many people

[fossil hollow]

6

[cerulean monolith]

I DM’d for a large group of 15-20 before

[glass granite]

8

[grim fulcrum]

8 people, all were on time, though we lost 3 people over the course of a year, and finished with 5 left. after about 40 or so sessions

[glass granite]

I both fear and respect you

[cinder timber]

:pensive

[grim fulcrum]

it was really fun one

[cerulean monolith]

I fear myself too

[pastel valve]

Lucky.... Mine was 13

[pastel valve]

Freaking slow..... It was my first time playing I don't know how I handled it

[snow agate]

only 6 because i avoid games that are higher

[pastel valve]

I didn't know better

[umbral girder]

It was not reprinted

[cinder timber]

dang

[umbral girder]

Now only Ranger and Rogue get bonus languages without magic in the Core Rules

[lost flicker]

I just got 11 D&D books

For free,

[umbral girder]

Neat

[cerulean monolith]

That was one session though. The largest consistent group was 9. They were in a homebrew East-Asian inspired world solving wars between the British-coded colonial military, the Chinese-coded fracturing empire, and the divided Japanese-coded city-states.

[light creek]

Hello 👋 everyone

[pastel valve]

Ho

[light creek]

This is the first time I’m looking for a group to join in dnd 😅

[light creek]

Hello

[pastel valve]

Oop ment hi

[pastel valve]

You are?

[light creek]

I’m just new here

[pastel valve]

To DND as a whole or the channel ( cuz I am)

[umbral girder]

We have a channel for that in #find-a-game !

[reef tundra]

Hi there, #dnd-newcomers is where you can ask questions and learn and #find-a-game is where you can… well, you know.

[light creek]

Oh thank you for telling me

[reef tundra]

Got there before me

[umbral girder]

Something something “you’re too slow” and “sonic pfp”

[pastel valve]

How dose that work?

[narrow moss]

time magic

[pastel valve]

What if I'm looking for players? How dose it know?

[light creek]

Yeah, I was about to ask that

[umbral girder]

#find-a-game also explains it

[light creek]

Ok

[umbral girder]

Basically it’s a list of commands you type out then gives you a template to fill out

[reef tundra]

He sent the message before I did

[cinder timber]

is dnd fun without all the supplemental books? Could you have fun with just the PHB?

[fossil hollow]

yes

[umbral girder]

Yes

[light creek]

How you guys do your dnd in discord

[pastel valve]

Via voice call

[umbral girder]

Made my own discord server and invited players

[narrow moss]

i imagine it varies

[pastel valve]

@light creek I am actually looking for a new player. One of mine had to step out

It's a curse of strahd game

[light creek]

Oh, I see so intend the people who use pc and mobile able to join

[narrow moss]

that feels like something i need to work up to

[umbral girder]

Should be noted this channel is not for recruitment

[pastel valve]

Oops my bad

There a way to look for player. Instead of a bunch of people?

[snow agate]

there are channels for it

that have it as the channel name

[pastel valve]

Only says players as multiple....

[narrow moss]

and if someone said 'men' i wouldn't think I was exempt from that grouping because i'm a singular man.

[pastel valve]

Egh I'm posting anyway

[past blaze]

They wouldn't say "searching for player but 4 times", they just say searching for players. How else would they get individual people to fill slots?

[lost flicker]

You can have fun without the phb

The basic rules are free online

[reef tundra]

I played for years before I owned my first dnd book

Then the addiction started

[rough basalt]

I got the PHB before I started playing but like they're saying, you good with just the basic stuff

[fallen fable]

No, I dislike the class for other reasons as well. That it usually attracts a type of player to it that I don't like is only one of them

[narrow moss]

whoever told me about the dwarf pic in the phb tho it was wholesome.

[reef tundra]

I try to separate the class from the people it usually attracts. I fail at that a lot because I still shudder at the thought of artificer but hey

[lavish flame]

Yeah idk. Shitty people will be shitty with any class

[narrow moss]

sometimes they are shitty cuz of race. sorry I mean 'species'

honestly if there's a good thing out there, someone will find a way to make it bad through their own actions.

[reef tundra]

I should play artificer one day, maybe then I’ll finally be over it

[narrow moss]

i'm sure you'd make an excellent one

[reef tundra]

Ty. I already have a wholesome concept of one

[narrow moss]

nice

i'm thinking of leaning into gaelic influences for mine

[lavish flame]

I'm praying the 2024 Artificer is a class I like

[unkempt fossil]

I play an artificer there really fun to play in my opinion

[narrow moss]

yeah so i hear. it's a class that rewards being creative, yeah?

assuming you're allowed to do things of course. and have the resources.

[unkempt fossil]

It’s jsut very different to most of the other classes rp wise and you can be really creative with it yea

[narrow moss]

yeah that was my impression

[lavish flame]

sorta? it mostly encourages thinking about your party when making ur character

[unkempt fossil]

Yeah it’s not fun when u have a dm who doesn’t give you that slight power

[unkempt fossil]

Yeah

[narrow moss]

i mean if i played one i'd just want shiny toys, i wouldn't be trying to make anything game breaking.

[lavish flame]

Like, if your group has a ranged user, giving them the Repeating Arrow infusion (idk the actual name) is something to consider

[narrow moss]

i always liked the clockwork dragonfly from ESO though. the idea of it anyway.

[unkempt fossil]

Yeah exactly that’s basically my whole character

And it’s very fun to experiment with tech and magic

[narrow moss]

yep

[lavish flame]

I've long wanted to make a Goliath Artificer that etched Giant runes into items to imbue them with magic.

[narrow moss]

i really like that idea

[reef tundra]

One of my players plays a kobold who does that

It worked all good and fine until he met a true giant and tried to use a rune on it

[narrow moss]

wuh oh

[timber holly]

What's a true giant

[reef tundra]

Just a proper giant. Hill giant, cloud giant, etc

One that has giant in the name

[timber holly]

Oh ok
What's your favorite giant

[reef tundra]

Storm Giant and Cloud giant

[timber holly]

How come

[reef tundra]

At first I was just meh about cloud giants until I fell in love with what jerks they are

As for storm giants, they had my heart from the start

[timber holly]

Oh interesting
I really like changelings

[reef tundra]

I love changelings

[lavish flame]

I've always liked Fire Giants mostly due to the 5e Fire Giant Dreadnaught artwork

[narrow moss]

good artwork can make all the difference

[lavish flame]

Big black and red Giant knight with a tower shield that has lava running through it. Doesn't get cooler than that

[reef tundra]

Presentation

[timber holly]

I'm planning on being a changeling IRL

Getting HRT

[narrow moss]

lmao amity

[reef tundra]

Yo saaaame

[narrow moss]

i heard that in his voice., Amity.

[reef tundra]

Hehe, my magic worked

[narrow moss]

exactly

[timber holly]

But it's being put on hold

Nothing happened, my therapist is just busy this week so we won't have an appointment to talk about it

[lavish flame]

Maybe a Thousand Handed One is up there, whatever they're called. D&D's version of Hekatoncheires. They're also a pretty cool Giant

[lavish flame]

W

[rose bison]

Heyo, I was hoping for some ideas for new builds. I like edgy characters who switch from long and short range.

[reef tundra]

You looking for a sneaky, stealth-strike play style?

[narrow moss]

'must have been the wind' he said, with 30 arrows in his face

[reef tundra]

Maybe one who’s very good at skill checks?

[timber holly]

Thank you
It still feels a bit weird to be called trans 😅

[rose bison]

Maybe, I also really like warlocks.

[lavish flame]

Rogue was made for this

[narrow moss]

could ranger work too?

[reef tundra]

That could work. Pick pact of the blade for melee

[lavish flame]

Rogue was brewed in a lab for this concept

[narrow moss]

then again no sneak attack that way.

[rose bison]

My last rogue was a drunk swashbuckling pirate 🏴‍☠️

[reef tundra]

Ooh yes, Gloom Stalker Ranger could work

[narrow moss]

maybe idk enough about it

[timber holly]

@rose bison you can try warlock

[narrow moss]

i just heard 'long and short range' and forgot about the stealth part lol

[rose bison]

What does that entail?

[reef tundra]

Oh don’t worry about the stealth part, I was just going to offer rogue

[narrow moss]

nod nod

[reef tundra]

Gloom Stalkers are all about shadows and being trained in dark places. They’re about ambushing quickly at the start of combat and delivering powerful, psychic-damaging strikes

[lavish flame]

Ranger has a subclass called Gloomstalker. They are really sweet in darkness, like they become invisible and do some extra damage. Its a pretty cool subclass.

[reef tundra]

The most edgelord of rangers

[lavish flame]

its also a fairly powerful subclass

[narrow moss]

does the gravelly batman voice

[reef tundra]

And I love them for that

[rose bison]

What books would I need for it?

[reef tundra]

Player’s handbook

[narrow moss]

even better

[reef tundra]

The 2024 version

[rose bison]

That’s all?!

[narrow moss]

that's all it seems lol

[reef tundra]

Yup

2024 PHB is amazing

[timber holly]

Would it be a good idea to play a changeling going through a transition as the story goes on

[narrow moss]

i'm obsessed over the art for dwarf section

[reef tundra]

Awww, that’s sweet

[narrow moss]

they're hubbies and they have a cat

[rose bison]

Im definitely gunna try it out, gunna start building it now. What species though?

[reef tundra]

They are so wholesome

[narrow moss]

i was not told about the cat and my heart melted

oh right got the book today in the mail finally so i saw it first thing lol

now i just want gay dwarf dads. With a cat.

[reef tundra]

Any of your choice really. But if you wanna lean into the edgelord shadow aesthetic, maybe Shadar-kai elf but you may not have the book it’s from

My changeling character isn’t nearly as sweet

[rose bison]

I don’t mind buying them, just need the name

[timber holly]

Thank you
I'm honestly really nervous but really excited about everything and I want to see what's going to happen

[rose bison]

Lmao 🤣

[reef tundra]

Let me quickly check for you

[rose bison]

Thank you!

[reef tundra]

There are two versions, one in Mordenkainen’s Monsters of the Multiverse and the other is in Mordenkainen’s Tome of Foes

[timber holly]

@rose bison why not play a tabaxi with rouge and fighter classes while pretending you're shadow the hedgehog

[narrow moss]

i'm waiting on my motm coming tomorrow

[glass granite]

Warrior isn’t a class tho?

[narrow moss]

i admit i got it mostly for my race but also cuz I wanna see what else is in there lol.

[reef tundra]

Woah Deja vu

[timber holly]

Fighter

[rose bison]

Same stats?

[glass granite]

Actually, same
Woah

[narrow moss]

warrior needs food badly

[glass granite]

Shadow blade wielding bladesinger wizard

[reef tundra]

Yup they are the same pretty much. I can’t see any difference

[rose bison]

Thank you! I found my next build!

[reef tundra]

We are now bound to each other’s souls. We are cursed

[reef tundra]

No problem! Enjoy! I’ve wanted to play a Shadar-Kai myself for a while

[narrow moss]

neato

[rose bison]

I’ve tried a bladesinger wizard already, I didn’t really like it too much.

[glass granite]

That’s fair

[reef tundra]

Time for me to slander wizard again

No I’m kidding I quite like bladesinger. Although I don’t like a lot of the players that worship it

[rose bison]

I recently made a flame sorcerer of the draconic subclass. With a scimitar in one hand and flame blade in the other he was kicking but.

[timber holly]

@reef tundra sorry if I got annoying

[reef tundra]

Hey hey no you’re fine

I miss a lot of messages so apologies if I don’t see them all

[rose bison]

We have like 3 different convos going on at once she probably just missed your message

[timber holly]

Oh!
I said it before and basically I'm honestly really nervous but really excited about everything and I want to see what's going to happen

[narrow moss]

You're fine Eri it's just half the time I'm spacing out and half the time I'm battling my own brain

[timber holly]

Sorry

[timber holly]

Use a sneak attack

[narrow moss]

they're using it on me, labelled Intrusive Thoughts

[rose bison]

Aw I love an apologetic sweetheart

[reef tundra]

Well I hope it goes well!

[narrow moss]

not saying i'm in bad shape I just mean that If I don't pay attention it's not your fault lmao

i'm just... not always here?

[rose bison]

ADHD at its finest in

[reef tundra]

If I’m not pinged on discord, I pretty much just won’t see it

[narrow moss]

I do wonder if I have adhd tbh

[timber holly]

Thank you
I really appreciate it

[glass granite]

Like you’re watching but not seeing?

[narrow moss]

i'm already on the spectrum so wouldn't be a stretch

i'm in my head a lot.

[timber holly]

Thank you?
I think
I'm not used to being called sweetheart

[reef tundra]

Ah quick - keeping it on topic. Uhhhh, would the calm emotions spell work on anxiety? Big question there

[narrow moss]

probably?

[rose bison]

Id wager at least 70% of DnD enthusiasts are either autistic or adhd 🤣

[reef tundra]

Definitely

[jovial badger]

yo

[narrow moss]

i have anxiety so I'd say yes. lots of irrational fear there.

[timber holly]

Don't you mean 80?

[narrow moss]

i'd count a panic attack as Frightened

[rose bison]

Whoops I apologize, it’s my go to lol

[timber holly]

It's fine

I do have a name I think I like

[jovial badger]

which aarakocra can fly? is it any or a specific guide like motm, motm legacy or eepc legacy

[glass granite]

All

[jovial badger]

ty

[narrow moss]

i might get calm emotions for my bard tbh cuz it sounds like something he'd have. but that's much later.

[rose bison]

All should be able to

[jovial badger]

is there a better one?

[rose bison]

It’s a bard must have

[jovial badger]

like how some goliaths are better than others

[glass granite]

Alongside suggestion

[narrow moss]

yeah i figured

[rose bison]

Yes!

[glass granite]

I don’t even know the differences tbh

[jovial badger]

alr, thanks for the help!

[reef tundra]

One of my friends plays a character with PTSD so bad that calm emotions doesn’t work on him

[glass granite]

Woah

[narrow moss]

tbh i believe it.

[rose bison]

I don’t think that’s true, they just serve different purposes.

[narrow moss]

with anxiety i'd just feel calmer, probably. I would still be upset though

[rose bison]

Some are made for defense, while other have extra offense

[reef tundra]

All goliaths have their worth >:( /hj

[narrow moss]

just not panicking out of my mind, if i read the spell right.

[keen valve]

Upcast it.

[narrow moss]

ptsd sounds like a whole other beast

so i believe it when calm emotions won't work on it.

[jovial badger]

pretty sure motm doesnt allow you to choose your elemental origin

[glass granite]

Lemme get the next best thing
Pulls out my spell book

“Ah there it is! I cast Wish.”

[remote wadi]

So... good news and bad news

Good news, got into a campaign. Bad news, I found out it's 2014 with Ranger and got a little screwed over with the Stat rolls

[reef tundra]

Laughs in 2024 PHB

[glass granite]

Oh nice!
Oh no

[jovial badger]

im poor 😭

[reef tundra]

Dear god

[jovial badger]

why ranger 🥀

not insulting the class, i just find it very boring in 2014 to play

[glass granite]

Ok rangers aren’t that bad

[reef tundra]

We gonna be breaking everything in the multiverse to fix him

[rose bison]

Is no one in your group book sharing?

[jovial badger]

in 2014 tho

[keen valve]

2014 with ranger as in you chose the ranger?

[reef tundra]

My Ranger fangirl is activating

[narrow moss]

i still view wish as a monkey's paw

[glass granite]

I stand by my point

[jovial badger]

only our dm and hes got like 3

[narrow moss]

i can see how things go wrong using it there though. and it scares me to even utter it.

[jovial badger]

in 2014 they were way worse

[narrow moss]

the idea of the monkey's paw is the horrible stuff happens first, then you get the wish fulfilled.

[remote wadi]

Barb, Fighter, and Cleric were taken
Too inexperienced to confidently play a spellcaster class
And I already had a Ranger sheet made

[reef tundra]

I can agree with that

Despite my love for Ranger

[rose bison]

If I’m not mistaken as long as 1 person has the pass you should have access to everyone’s books?

[jovial badger]

coughs in paladin

[reef tundra]

Paladin is peak

[jovial badger]

yeah we have motm eepc and 2014 extended

[humble cairn]

What Ranger sub?

[reef tundra]

Join me in the oathhood

[jovial badger]

FR THO i love pallys

[timber holly]

@reef tundra @rose bison Would it be a good idea to give my character the name I want to be called IRL

It's Aviv and it means spring in my native language

[jovial badger]

Yes, absolutely.

[humble cairn]

Also is Tasha's Cauldron of Everything allowed?

[reef tundra]

I did the same, it’s a good way to test if you’d be happy being called by it

[jovial badger]

oh we have that too

[reef tundra]

They are my favourite class

[narrow moss]

Aviv sounds nice

[rose bison]

Warlock paladin multi class 😉

[remote wadi]

For the stat roll... the silver linings were that you could pick from 3 distributions, and the total would be 75 minimum with 1 stat being a 15 (you can also pick which number goes where)

I proceed to have SIX distribution options be less than 80 points total while more than half the party has 88-90

[knotty pasture]

You can call your character whatever you desire 🫡

[narrow moss]

yep

[humble cairn]

Oh then you're basically fine!

[remote wadi]

I'd imagine so, but why do you ask?

[rose bison]

Yeah, the point of Rp is to get to be what we can’t irl

[jovial badger]

yes thats so fun to play

[reef tundra]

Oh yeah, Tasha’s adds Ranger optional abilities, right?

[reef tundra]

Speak for yourself 💅/lhj

[jovial badger]

behind sorcerors ofc 😉

[narrow moss]

might be the thing that saves him then

[remote wadi]

Not my thing, I like Cleric more

[humble cairn]

Because then you're basically fine. 2014 Ranger isn't bad at all using Tasha's updates.

[reef tundra]

Agreed. Tasha the goat

[rose bison]

Who’s homie is this 🤦🏾‍♂️

[timber holly]

@jovial badger @reef tundra @rose bison someone I know said that the name would be what I'd be called if I didn't have my deadname and I can't get it out of my head

[narrow moss]

idk who tasha is but they really should stop making fun of her laugh

i don't think it's THAT hideous... maybe...

[rose bison]

Whats a deadname?

[remote wadi]

I'm already using Gloom Stalker. Won some money from a tournament to buy it on Beyond

[rose bison]

Im confusión

[reef tundra]

The name one used to be called before they changed it

[narrow moss]

a name that's dead, in other words.

[humble cairn]

So it's basically not a bad news situation, then.

[narrow moss]

i know a little about it but didn't want to jump the gun lol

[rose bison]

So like Frankenstein?

[narrow moss]

No.

[rose bison]

Ah gotcha

[timber holly]

It's what a lot of trans people call their previous name after changing it

[reef tundra]

Just make sure that if you find someone’s deadname, never call them it

[humble cairn]

A deadname is someone's former name, one which would be rude to address them as because they want to be known by their current name.

[remote wadi]

Well, yeah. It's not bad, but it definitely is worse over what it could have been. My beginning stats are slightly better than Standard Array, but isn't saying much when people have 10+ more points as their base total

[rose bison]

Well I’ll certainly keep that in mind but I’d never heard that before today.

[narrow moss]

well now you know

[humble cairn]

Well you'll basically want to pump your primary stat and focus on what you do well, then.

[humble cairn]

Learning new things every day! We learn better and we do better!

[narrow moss]

yus

[timber holly]

@reef tundra @humble cairn @rose bison @jovial badger I feel warm in my heart when I'm called Aviv and I'm just really happy
It feels right

[jovial badger]

wowo

[narrow moss]

i'm not trans but i know that feeling tbh

[humble cairn]

Congratulations!

[jovial badger]

yeah, name your char aviv then

[reef tundra]

Aww, good to hear. Have fun playing, Aviv

[narrow moss]

well I'm glad you found a name you like

[rose bison]

Well it’s been fun but I’m calling it a night, sleep well 😴

[jovial badger]

You gain the following benefits while you are unarmed or wielding only Monk weapons

WHATS A MONK WEAPON

[knotty pasture]

Quarterstaves, spears

[remote wadi]

It'll be hard to because of some homebrew rules. If you know of Fallout 1 and 2, then you will know that Intelligence will be of importance for similar reasons to those games

But hey, we are starting at lvl 2 and also get a free feat, so as much as I hate already being a little screwed over by luck, it's hard to stay mad when you get Sharpshooter this early

[humble cairn]

Keep reading, it defines it right after that.

[narrow moss]

a specific set of weapons monks trained with. I get why that's confusing

[timber holly]

@humble cairn @jovial badger @reef tundra thank you!
I'm still trying to figure out how to tell my dad that

[knotty pasture]

In early levels Monks fight with spears ideally until their stats allow them to punch people epicly

[lavish flame]

Its defined in the feature you're reading

[narrow moss]

historically monks didn't just use their fists

[humble cairn]

I am super happy for you, but if this is about you, personally, a better place to talk about it is #non-dnd-topics because this channel is supposed to stay only about D&D specifically.

[remote wadi]

Part of me wants to have a monk character skilled at Death Quan Do, if you catch the reference

[knotty pasture]

I don't

[timber holly]

Right
Sorry
I got excited
I'll move there now

[remote wadi]

Regular Show

[narrow moss]

it's okay, you're okay.

[lavish flame]

2014 Monk Weapons: shortswords and any simple weapon that doesn't have the Heavy or Two-Handed property.

2024 Monk Weapons: Simple Weapons and Martial Weapons with the Light property

Both of these are defined in the Martial Arts feature

[remote wadi]

But yeah. That is the bad news, somewhat

I'm not exactly weak by any means, but I could have started a lot better. Hopefully it changes when I get a firearm weapon. It and Sharpshooter would pair VERY well with Gunner

[lavish flame]

are you likely to come across a firearm in ur game?

i wouldnt hold out hope in a lot of cases

[jovial badger]

ye no im stupid

thanks all

[remote wadi]

Considering the setting, timeline, and the DM not being against it, the odds are decently favorable. I can use a Longbow for now to save up, plus lean into the "bounty hunter" aspect by possibly doing some things for XP and coin

So a musket or at the very least a heavy crossbow would definitely be possible

[glass granite]

You should still be fine with those stats. You’re not gonna be the strongest in the party by any means, but you should be able to hold your own

Between 75 and 80 leaves some room to be decent

[remote wadi]

I guess, but it's particularly annoying for 2 reasons

1. Intelligence will apparently affect things like languages and proficiencies as a homebrew rule, so some investment in it will likely be necessary, especially since I only have 12 or 13 in it

2. More than half of my party has 88 points or even 90 + what they get from class, species, etc

[glass granite]

And the other half of your party?
Also those people got lucky

Also, wdym int affects proficiency

What proficiencies?

[remote wadi]

Not exactly. 75 was the bare minimum guaranteed to stay at least better than Standard Array

[glass granite]

88+ is lucky

[remote wadi]

The outliers got 82-85

I am literally the only one to get below an 80, which is not that common

[glass granite]

No, it’s not.

Maybe ask your DM to roll till you get 80? But that kinda defeats the point of rolling

[remote wadi]

Uhhh...

I tried that...

It didn't end well

[narrow moss]

those are ominous words

[remote wadi]

In simple terms, it's bad enough to have 78-79 be your total to work with. It's worse when that was your best from FIVE different attempts to reroll

[narrow moss]

oh my

[remote wadi]

So that's why it got me ticked off a little bit. This is more than just your average everyday bad luck... this is ADVANCED bad luck

[humble cairn]

This is why I don't like rolled stats.

[narrow moss]

sounds like my luck

[solar perch]

hii

[narrow moss]

eh i'm not that bad but some days...

some days you wonder if that virtual die really isn't just programmed to roll low

[jagged vigil]

First session of the new campaign! Some of the party members still need to cross paths, but everyone has been well introduced, got to flex their motivations around the city, and are excited about what's to come. Now to just get them all in the same room

[narrow moss]

nice

[remote wadi]

Thing is, it was pretty fair. Having 75 minimum, a guaranteed 15+ stat, and being able to choose which number goes to what stat means that it will be better than standard array (or in my case, very very close to it)

I funnily enough told my younger brother about this sort of bad luck, and he insisted I got off pretty lightly because he would have gotten a worse outcome than me somehow

I took him up on the offer and rolled some stats for him just to see what would happen

NOT ONE, BUT TWO 85 BASES WITH UNBELIEVABLE SPREADS

[jagged vigil]

Bummer they didn't all stay at the same inn, the party is basically split into 3 groups: a pair of nature boys staying in cheap lodgings, a pair of political-minded players staying in highly sought after very expensive lodgings with the nobility, and an up-and-down adventurer who hasn't met the rest of the party yet

[humble cairn]

I still don't like rolled stats. The only rolled method I like is when the whole group rolls and gets to pick the same array result to apply to everyone in the party.

[reef tundra]

Yeah I don’t like rolled either

[humble cairn]

It's the disparity between party members that I don't like.

[remote wadi]

Which is understandable

I just don't know how I could get the short end of the stick this much

[humble cairn]

Is it a deal breaker that makes you want to leave the campaign?

[reef tundra]

Exactly. Some members can be absolutely busted and crazy, others can get very unlucky

[remote wadi]

Closer to "I am astonished at how terrible my luck is"

The campaign looks great

[reef tundra]

I’d ask for either a reroll or using a different stat generation method

[humble cairn]

Ok well I guess you're just going to have to come to peace with it. Maybe make your character interesting and appealing in roleplay so the other players will become fans. Make up for lackluster stats with excellent roleplay.

[remote wadi]

You missed the part where I was given 5 sets of 3 stat rerolls and still failed to get above an 80

[reef tundra]

In that case I say go for a different generation method

[narrow moss]

rng giveth and rng taketh away

[reef tundra]

Yup. Lady Fate can be cruel

[narrow moss]

yep

[remote wadi]

Rest assured, I am way ahead of you on this. This is just me rambling at 4 AM about how Lady Luck will make me the luckiest person in the worst ways possible

[narrow moss]

everything has a price mufufu

[humble cairn]

As it is, the pure numbers part of the character are the least interesting bit.

[narrow moss]

or something ominous idk

eh it's boring if you can curb stomp every situation anyway

literally or metaphorically.

i don't want to be da bestest adventurer who ever was

[remote wadi]

I went with this anyways. Like I said, it is guaranteed to be better than Standard Array. But this is akin to getting an attack that will definitely be better than your minimum attack damage... by only 2 points

[narrow moss]

the most fun i had in an rp setting was when i held back sometimes lol

[remote wadi]

So I will repeat this again. This is not me complaining about the DM and the Campaign.
I am just amazed at how my luck can be this consistently bad

[narrow moss]

yeah sometimes we just need to vent or ramble

[remote wadi]

I will still have fun and love it, but like... Lady Luck is a monster sometimes

[narrow moss]

yep

[remote wadi]

I'm not even that mad or stressed about it either, I'm mostly stunned

[narrow moss]

i get that

[remote wadi]

But then again, I am no stranger to bad luck/good luck that you can't benefit from

2 recent examples are getting 4 consecutive 5% drop rates on items, but are completely redundant and useless due to not needing more gold from selling them or saving them for later (.000625% chance)

Or having a character who has a 30% chance to follow up your attacks with more damage failing to follow up... 40 times in a row

[narrow moss]

oof

[remote wadi]

You know it's bad when you need to pull out scientific notation to explain the odds

[narrow moss]

faints

sorry i'm allergic to math more complicated than basic algebra.

[remote wadi]

Okay, let's say...

[narrow moss]

i know if you have to break out the sci notation it's bad tho lol

[remote wadi]

You failed a DC of 15 with no modifers

You were given 20 chances, each with advantage

That would be the DnD equivalent

[narrow moss]

that's what two rolls per chance?

-# yeah 40 times in a row i see

[remote wadi]

The equivalent, yeah

[still plover]

You are cursed by the Gods!

Now go to bed.

[narrow moss]

gnite

[remote wadi]

Or, simplified

640 thousandth of a percent

[remote wadi]

Cast silence on the 3 dogs that my family decided to buy first

[narrow moss]

oh not even magical silence can help you now hon

[remote wadi]

Seriously, why do they all snore?

[narrow moss]

cuz they're puppers

[remote wadi]

They are fully grown

One fat fook isn't even a year old and is already triple digit pounds

Well, not fully grown, but you get the idea. At least I have my sweet kitty chilling next to me

[narrow moss]

they can be doggos and i'm still calling them puppers

[remote wadi]

Fair enough

But probably the least appreciated part is that they are poorly trained outside of the bare minimum and somewhat spoiled.

[narrow moss]

yeah that is a bummer

[remote wadi]

Hence my lack of attachment to them. If they were something like one of those quiet, smart, and relaxed dogs

Easy S tier

[narrow moss]

dogs need some kind of training.

it's on us to provide them that guidance

even if they can be stubborn af sometimes.

-# i am looking at you huskies you overdramatic cuties

[remote wadi]

Which my dad was responsible for buying them, but not exactly much else aside from spoiling them

Anyways, time to sleep

[narrow moss]

gnite

[keen valve]

I immediately thought of gnolls in this regard. Imagine having a doggy daycare teaching gnolls how to behave.

Nvm I've just invented gnoll school.

[narrow moss]

lmao

[tawdry sentinel]

Step 1: Suicidally charge at the meat
Step 2: Cackle maniacally

[warped relic]

My players are looking for sheets to track NPCs and Locations they met and visited. Does anyone have anything like that that they would share? I found some on etsy that I wasn't toooo excited by

[narrow moss]

other than a notebook, idk what to suggest really

[tawdry sentinel]

I made a discord for it and lost the motivation to curate it about three sessions in. Sub channels for the towns and people therein.

My personal notes are very pretty though. 😅

[inner silo]

Give to each of your players roles to curate one part of it

If you want to

[tawdry sentinel]

There's a shared notes and stuff that does get used, it's quite text dump session summary though and not like a presentable wiki style. And people take their own notes Just not the more granular side of it with the artwork I fished for and so on. It's just time consuming tbh.

[fiery nimbus]

So, if you are casting dispell magic, do you need to be aware that given thing is magical in the first place? Do you gain that knowledge if your dispell magic is to low level to dispell given effect?

[still plover]

Could share a padlet site. Here's a snippet from a Star Trek game I ran: https://pasteboard.co/5OZgo5wcTirz.jpg

[fiery nimbus]

Now would anyone mind being blasted with dispell magic even if it didn't have any effect?

[keen valve]

We'd prioritize baking.

Evil is so last century, baking is all the rage.

[narrow moss]

gay dwarves who bake

[still plover]

At a glance, I think you'd need to have an awareness of the magical effect to target the spell.

[fiery nimbus]

So you can target whatever you think is a spell or whatever you know is a spell

[still plover]

I take it back. You can throw it at a creature or object in range of effect, and it'll go from there if there is a magical effect in use. If there isn't one to be dispelled the spell is just used to no result.

[still plover]

So yes to this.

[narrow moss]

yeah that's what i was reading but i had to be sure it was the 2024 edition

it seems they did change how it interacts with traps from 2014 to 2024 tho. it also only affects, well, spell effects mostly

if the power isn't the result of a spell effect then tough luck.

looks annoying lol

[fiery nimbus]

So effect of hitting a dispell magic into a too high level spell is the same as hitting a non magical object

[narrow moss]

looks like you can upcast it

[still plover]

No, you get a spellcasting check to overcome it. That implies you'll also learn the level of the spell in play (presuming your DM doesn't hide the DC) even if the dispel fails.

[narrow moss]

maybe

but yeah that's what i'm seeing too

so i guess you could cast it on everything but like, why would you? you only have so many spell slots.

[fiery nimbus]

Now only to figure out common misconceptions around the spell that NPC are aware of to yell at the wizard if they ever become dispell happy then

[narrow moss]

a wizard muttering while staring too long at something or someone might be a clue.

especially if this 'has happened before'

adventurers are weird.

[fiery nimbus]

Eh I prefer an ex soldier jumping at the wizard because he is scared dispell magic will open up his old wounds that were mended with magic

[narrow moss]

well the effect is already gone innit?

unless it's a spell constantly healing him at all times it wouldn't do anything.

[fiery nimbus]

Correct but that doesn't mean everyone is aware how any given spell works

[narrow moss]

oh true that's right you said misconceptions.

[fiery nimbus]

NPC are not working with the DMs knowledge

[narrow moss]

muh brain didn't work.

still maybe the priests of that village are annoyed they have to keep explaining this.

i can see that actually.

[fiery nimbus]

Who is to say priest knows that

[narrow moss]

usually they're in temples that offer healing services.

[woeful siren]

Is Zlan pronounced as Islam or as Zeelan?

[still plover]

Feel that kind of thing is worth mentioning in Session Zero, that common folk may react badly to unexpected spellcasting.

[narrow moss]

as for anything not healing at all? yeah people might think you're giving them the evil eye

[fiery nimbus]

That's out of the game method, I still like to have some misconceptions or myths

[narrow moss]

healing is usually seen as power from the gods despite its source so they'd be less superstitious about that in general. At least in fantasy settings.

that could also be another misconception i guess but most other magic stuff they might be all.... paranoid.

dispel magic though? hm

yeah idk how to twist that one for sure lol.

[fiery nimbus]

Everything is easy to spin if you want it hard enough.

I knew a guy who's son weakened and wasted away after wizard dispelled something from them, i think it took away his magic life force so he couldn't live no more

[narrow moss]

well if a spell was sustaining him that would work.

perhaps he was born sickly and that spell was the only thing keeping him alive.

[fiery nimbus]

Again, that's a hearsay, he heard about it from another guy about another guy

[narrow moss]

ahh right you're convincing me now.

to be fair it's late and i can't do reading comprehension.

that's a good one tho

[fiery nimbus]

It's a fantasy, complete fabrication, a myth, a bubble, I made it up

[narrow moss]

ye

[fiery nimbus]

I do believe those misconceptions ground magic in the world

[tawdry sentinel]

They drank magic ointment from a snake oil salesman to cure their gout and they don't want it coming back thank you very much

[fiery nimbus]

Gout, the disease of the kings?

[tawdry sentinel]

Indeed

[fiery nimbus]

Now that's unrealistic even for dnd

But still a great misconception

[tawdry sentinel]

Not a king, don't want to be executed for having gout when you're not entitled to it

[fiery nimbus]

Copyright a disease and copyright strike every new case

[kind bramble]

just noticed my warlock actually fits perfectly as a sorlock in the future cuz of her backstory. her patron is her archfey mom (she's eladrin) and the warlock powers are from borrowing her mother's power to "prove herself worthy of her lineage" so multiclassing to Sorcerer after level 3 (just to get the archfey subclass cuz 2024) would be like her borrowed power from her mother now manifests within her own blood as she's proving herself right? It sounds very fitting xD

[fiery nimbus]

Will DM let you get rid of warlock levels?

[kind bramble]

I'd still keep the warlock levels

also cuz her mom is a winter fae who lied all her life to my character about being spring, the warlock spells are all mostly warm spring fey like spells while the sorcerer spells focus on frost

[karmic mason]

hey all

[jagged kestrel]

sorlock?

[limber trail]

sorcerer/warlock multiclass

[inner silo]

when taking druid magic innitiate on ranger whats a good spell to take

[tame estuary]

take anything honestly, there's a lot of overlap

so pick ones where you don't get from ranger, like healing word maybe

[inner silo]

Alrighty thanks!

[whole ravine]

Hi, I have a question. I have a rogue and I've acquired the Multi-Attack and Sneak traits. Can I apply them on the second attack if I choose not to use them on the first?

[gaunt roost]

Apply what on the second attack? Sneak attack? Its a "can" ability, so yes you can choose not to use them on the first, but you need to make that decision before rolling any damage die. Also you dont "lose" it if your first attack doesnt have vex yet or something

[tribal light]

New idea for a ravenloft darklord who's a campy late night b-movie horror host like Elvira or the crypt keeper and he forces the players into adventures based on low budget horror movies while cracking jokes

[gaunt roost]

so if your first attack sets up the advantage for sneak attack (with a push to prone or topple or vex or something) then yeah your second attack does the sneak attack. If both attacks get advantage/qualify by other means you get to freely choose

but you need to choose before doing any damage as its chosen when "hit" happens, so before rolling the second attack

I personally dont see the use case but you do you

unless you wanted to stab two different people, its always good to use the first hit for sneak attack in case the second misses

unless you want to crit fish. Again, must choose before the second attack is rolled, just after a hit was confirmed from the first

[pliant sapphire]

Fishing a crit in the second attack maybe?

[zinc hare]

I found out the uni I'm gonna be at has a dnd club

[fiery nimbus]

Executioner and her way of life has a villain like that, she was a huge fan of B rate Horrors but since the world she was in didn't discover camera yet, she decided to play out the scenarios for real

It did help that her magic was powered by gore

[karmic mason]

@narrow moss well, talked to the DM about the problem

...he says "It's just what bards do"

GETTING HANDSY WITH CHARACTERS ISN'T WHAT BARDS DO.

[fiery nimbus]

That... Doesn't sound good

[karmic mason]

Yeah

Look at my message history and you'll understand.

[fiery nimbus]

Huh... Yea screw that

[stark arch]

yay dm says we all get 5000gp. but then he says we need to pay 3000 gp tax on it . yayyyy

[scenic gyro]

Time to commit felony tax evasion.

[woven flint]

Robut, why art thou sad? 🧐

[scenic gyro]

It’s my programming.

[gaunt roost]

Buy a painting for 25gp. Pay someone 50gp to estimate the painting at 5000gp. Donate the painting to local museum. Gain 1000gp in tax returns, landing you at 5925gp

[gaunt roost]

Getting handsy with anyone isnt what bards do. Its what SA-people do. Bards are about performance, not SA. Also, super not ok to do at a table, much less one that hasnt agreed to that kinda thing, awkward as hell is the best possible outcome as you usually want to murder the handsy guys

[spring light]

i love your dm.

[stark arch]

that work with Distort Value spell?

[spring light]

what d&d has tax returns?

[gaunt roost]

the same dnd that demands taxes on adventurers income

[hollow stone]

bro won the lottery lmao

[gaunt roost]

distort value has 8 hours duration, but if someone casts it every day at the exhibition, it could work

[humble cairn]

I mean D&D is a game where you put numbers on a sheet and then do a bit of math to figure out other numbers on the sheet and the numbers change as you do activities. It's basically doing your taxes .. just fun!

[spring light]

Taxes used to be a much bigger part of the game, fees for entering cities, using roads, etc etc.

[hollow stone]

i mean a sufficiently evil DM has these anyway

[spring light]

;-; i'm not allowed to tax travel and the like

[uncut zenith]

And some DMs still run campaigns this way. I’ve been in campaigns where adventurers have to do things like pay property taxes, pay fees to register for documentation to cross national borders, etc.

[spring light]

my event organizer says no

[hollow stone]

yea cause that's evil

[uncut zenith]

Personally I think it’s a little too granular, so it’s not for me. I typically abstract gold after the party gets a certain amount anyways.

[hollow stone]

that's an evil thing of you to do

[spring light]

i like slurping up all the pc money, so they are always close to 0

[hollow stone]

what game have you played where fast travel isn't free?

[uncut zenith]

Like I’m not gonna start charging my party for every mug of ale they get at a tavern if they’ve got like… 5000GP in their party funds.

[crimson gulch]

i just sell potions

[stoic haven]

Heyo, so question, have y'all ever had a player refuse a level up?

[spring light]

each character in our game now has over 100,000 gp.

friggin economy is broken, but next season we'll have a better control over it.

[uncut zenith]

My party just got a Bastion, so that’s gonna be a fun money sink for them

[spring light]

yes

[crimson gulch]

no, what? everyone is allways super hype

i have had players forget to level up between sessions, so we sort that out at the start and then its go time

[hollow stone]

tbh money is a weird concept and i'm toying with the idea of basing their monetary acquisitions off of level because some of these prices are absurd. like by level 2 they can get any non-magical trinket they so desire

[spring light]

as a player i can often be like "i'm not ready to level up yet. I haven't experienced this level fully yet"

[stoic haven]

The reason was they missed 2 big sessions and everyone got a level up and they didn't want it as they said they didn't deserve the level up

[uncut zenith]

That’s usually why I like to take time at the end of a session to make sure everybody levels up before we log off, but that’s usually dependent on how late we go.

My group also plays biweekly, so I don’t like leaving those kinds of loose ends for them to forget about in the two weeks between sessions.

[crimson gulch]

the dm needs to make it explicite that they still progress even if they miss a session

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, especially if you’re using milestone advancement, there’s very little reason to say the PC wasn’t around to “gain XP” because the player couldn’t make session.

[hollow stone]

if they want a magical trinket they get a sidequest directly related to how much pain the item is likely to cause me, and a lot of that is probably gonna also be free (mechanically), and the lore reason is that their contractor is giving them all the funds they'd need for Mission Relevant Operation, which is going to have the broadest possible definition because i don't wanna bother with the semantics of what is and isn't mission relevant when the mission is also a journey

[gaunt roost]

thats all fun and games until they literally cannot go where you want them to go. Had a gm just never hand out gold and constantly demand money for rations/inns/travel. When he then started another session at a different town with "Entry fee for the city is 5gp a person" and we realized we literally couldnt afford that between the 5 people we were because we were down to 8, we just flat out told him we are skipping this town then. Ruined his session prep for at least 3 evenings because he had a whole thieves guild thing planned, but as he wouldnt back down form the fees, assuming we would sell our gear or something, and us unwilling to sell the clothes on our bodies to enter a city without any reason for us to be in, it was a very awkward session for all of us (we just walked away from teh city for at least half the session before he realized that sending traveling merchants our way that we could sell stuff to wasnt gonna fix it)

[spring light]

Yeah, that's absolutely fair and the money sinks need to be balanced to the faucets so characters can always do things.

[uncut zenith]

In fairness, the amount of gold the DM hands out should be increasing exponentially based off what level the party is.

If the party’s level 5 or 6 and still only getting a couple hundred gold at the end of a dungeon, something’s wrong.

[spring light]

it depends on how far 1 piece of gold goes in the world

[hollow stone]

yea this is how you get a party that goes full ball and just murders/robs the merchant outside the city gate, beyond the view and jurisdiction of the city guard

when travel costs money and money isn't paid, then they don't actually get to do another thing

[uncut zenith]

I can understand a DM wanting to do things like charge for entry into a nation or a city-state, especially with how few things there officially are to spend money on in D&D, but the DM also needs to be aware of how much gold they’re giving out and the rates they’re charging

[uncut zenith]

Right. But generally, even a single gold piece is a lot of money. Especially to non-adventurers.

[hollow stone]

yea i remember playing a game where a meal and a night at a tavern/inn was like, one silver

then a second meal was one copper

meal, naturally, included drink

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, a modest meal at an inn/tavern is 1 silver piece

[hollow stone]

nonalcoholic beverages were free, alcoholic was some other system the party didn't really explore because we didn't care to get hammered

[crimson gulch]

theres a chart for general costs of food drink and lodging on the dm screen and in the dmg

[tawdry sentinel]

Adventurers are living in hotels 24/7 and eating out for every meal to be fair. I couldn't afford that.

[crimson gulch]

meal cost per day go from 3c to 2g for squalid to aristocratic

actually foot costs went down in the 2024 one, comparing the two aristocratic meals top out at 6 sliver

[stark arch]

1 week down time gona learn bulk of spells 1225gp 55hr 😄

[hollow stone]

dnd money is really weird to me, it's realistic but it doesn't seem that actually mechanically balanced

like a suit of halfplate is like 1500 GP, which is realistic, but doesn't really seem that good

[stark arch]

18 ac with shield you get 20

high price tough

[hollow stone]

halfplate is 14AC, what????????

it's 14+DEX

[stark arch]

Splint
200 gp 17ac and plate gives 18ac but price is 1500gp... this jump is unreasable

[woven flint]

Keep in mind, spells costs 50 x their level

[stark arch]

50?

[woven flint]

Yep.

[stark arch]

50gp x lvl

[woven flint]

50 Gold per level

[humble cairn]

D&D money is not realistic at all. It's just the developers trying to give DM's a way to regulate giving stuff to the party. Don't expect or try to inject realism.

[stark arch]

lvl 3 150gp

[hollow stone]

i mean metal armor was like, extremely expensive

[stark arch]

moostly for knights and higher status

i acualy wonder who and what provided paid for the common foot soldier like chainmail or romanstyle plate armor

[humble cairn]

Still, please do not think D&D has any bearing on any sort of history or historical accuracy.

[hollow stone]

yea like 80% of historical accuracy is inserted by the DM

[tawdry sentinel]

It's not linear it's something like 50/200/500/2000/a lot

[hollow stone]

but anyhow i'm toying with the concept of simply disposing of money as a mechanical concept and giving the party trinkets and weapons and armor on a system based on how much of a headache it'll cause me, ranging from free to sidequest on a heavily left-skewed distribution

[timber holly]

Hi
So since there are half orcs and half elves what happens when an elf and an orc have a child?

[humble cairn]

It's a game mechanic. The DM controls what equipment exists, how much that equipment costs, and how much gold the party gets. Since all of those things are under the control of the DM it makes money basically completely arbitrary.

[humble cairn]

That's perfectly fine and cuts out the middle man that is gold.

[hollow stone]

yea what i toy with is making it exactly that and just vibe coding their object obtainment mechanism

[humble cairn]

Whatever everyone decides. It's a fantasy.

[tawdry sentinel]

I do like those couple of RPGs I've looked at where you just have like 4 money.

What does it mean? Who knows. But if you have 4 money you're living good, you have nice things. Not like those chumps with only 3 money. But you're still humble, not like those 5 money bigwigs in their ivory towers.

[stark arch]

ist that for the spell scrol creation??

"In Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition, a wizard can learn spells by transcribing them into their spellbook at a cost of 50 gold pieces per spell level. This price includes material components and ink, and the process takes two hours per spell level. Wizards also gain two spells of their choice for free each time they level up, provided they have the spell slots to cast them. " this is wat i find

[humble cairn]

Yep, money as a stat makes a lot of sense.

[stark arch]

50 gp per spell level

[woven flint]

Yup
1st level is 50
2nd is 100
3rd is 150.
50 gold per spell level

[tawdry sentinel]

Scribing spells isn't making scrolls.

Scribing spells you have the scroll and add it to your book for future use.

Making spell scrolls yourself is I believe, half the cost of having it cast for you by a wizard in a tower somewhere. It also takes a really long time.

It's all in the PHB somewhere.

[hollow stone]

does copying a spell still cost gold?

[woven flint]

Yep

[tawdry sentinel]

Ah you are actually talking about the book.

[woven flint]

Making spell scrolls and copying spells still require money

[hollow stone]

yea that's kinda evil

[woven flint]

If you're gonna be a wizard, you're probably gonna be kinda broke as well lmao
Trust me

[hollow stone]

i have no idea how you would even expend gold in such a process

[tawdry sentinel]

Buying sixteen kilos of bat poop and magic ink to practice fireball

[delicate roost]

right off the dnd beyond for wizards: Copying a Spell into the Book. For each level of the spell, the transcription takes 2 hours and costs 50 GP.

[woven flint]

For the inks used to copy the spell, it's special ink, not just your average run of the mil ink

[stark arch]

and half the cost if its ur sub class thingy

[gaunt roost]

Make your ink out of diamond dust and unicorn blood. Technically both valid for the magical inks you need

[hollow stone]

i get the time requirement because i can't imagine any wizard wouldn't just write all of their spells in shorthand script that's nigh indecipherable to all but them, but the gold is insane

[woven flint]

Also, let's be completely honest
WOTC made wizards pay to copy spells for balancing reasons

[gaunt roost]

remember that its 1 page per spell level, so technically its not that higher spells need better mats, they just need 50gp per page oyu write down, and they need more pages

[uncut zenith]

I think it’s Lifestyle Expenses tables are in the PHB, but yeah

[woven flint]

So you couldn't just take it bunch of spell scrolls, have a long rest, then just have every spell you got in that day lol

[gaunt roost]

See the thing is everyone can write about a spell. But a wizard can pick up a spellbook, spend an hour and cast any spell he is powerful enough to wield that is written down in it, as wizards can use each others spellbooks (and artificers can steal theirs)

[uncut zenith]

Yep. The literal and figurative cost of being a Wizard is time and coin

[woven flint]

Indeed

[hollow stone]

this is true but to me it's like, if your players aren't wanted to copy a spell, just don't give them access to it? like just never let them acquire the page or make it an entire task to acquire the spell and that's how they acquire it

[gaunt roost]

You dont get the effect of literally transfering magic to someone that is not-magic as wizards usually are with squid ink

[stark arch]

making spellscrolls you do have that spells always on the ready even if its not prepared in ur spellbook to go

[uncut zenith]

You can have access to every single spell on the Wizard list, so long as you have the time and money to transcribe them

[stark arch]

and keeping up shield spell once ur out of lvl 1 spell slots

[woven flint]

I don't understand what you mean
A wizard doesn't have to copy every spell they get lol

[gaunt roost]

and yes, wizards are usually non-magic beings that put work into becoming magic. Warlocks sell their souls, sorcerers have their magic parents nepotism, druids and clerics get it from devotion and wizards put in labor and money to not owe anyone anything but their own hard work

[delicate roost]

Ive never played wizards before because the whole spell avalibility thing is daunting for me. heh. Im actually building my first wizard right now ironically and its just crazy how many spells a level 1 wizard can have in their spellbook to start

[burnt valley]

No way im copying Grease dawg 😭

[woven flint]

The fantasy of being a wizard is also the fantasy of playing a character with student debt.

[stark arch]

moost of the spellscrols i made so far are shield spells. im planing to make inviciblity and knok scrolls

[woven flint]

Invisibility, you mean?

[stark arch]

yea

[hollow stone]

they don't have to, but if they wanna they can, and they can write it down in their book of spells they know and (afaik) the matter of them getting access to such a spell is entirely limited to the opportunity of being exposed to the scripts of its cast

[stark arch]

nice last ditch get away

[hollow stone]

aside from levelling up and getting more spells ofc

[humble cairn]

Doesn't it say that every wizard spell book is encoded to them personally and that you need a process to decode it?

[woven flint]

If a Wizard Player is having trouble with their repertoire, they can always just ask the dm if they could put some scrolls in chests in a Dungeon or hell, maybe the local library can sell spell scrolls
There's nothing wrong with asking for the dms help lol

[delicate roost]

Only you or someone casting Identify

blah, sorry. the page bounced up as i was tagging.my bad

[hollow stone]

yea this discussion is on the matter of spells having a monetary cost to enscribe and me thinking that's weird and evil and not how writing works

[woven flint]

Again, its for balancing reasons
And, mind you, at some point the cost is going to be a pittance to the wizard

[humble cairn]

Spells aren't just writing.

[snow agate]

How do you guys decide when you have multiple characters you wanna play at once

[stark arch]

probaly learning the new spell ist just writing in ur book but having a full course how to cast the spell at a wizard school? 😛

[woven flint]

Like, seriously, 50 gold per level
A 9th level spell costs 450 gold, and by the time you're copying 9th level spells, you're most likely loaded

[hollow stone]

enscribing a spell to your book would be tho, right?

[uncut zenith]

A wizard transcribing spells costs money because it’s typically reflective of the cost of the materials used to transcribe the spell

[stark arch]

tough 48 weeks 250,000 gp lvl 9 spell scroll 😄

[woven flint]

Also, let's be honest, most wizards aren't typically buying equipment unless it's neat magic items, what they start with is typically what they end with

[fossil summit]

Dude.

[uncut zenith]

Wizards don’t transcribe spells with regular paper and ink, their spells are transcribed with special magical materials, like (if you’re using a classic spellbook) vellum paper and magically powdered inks.

[fossil summit]

I just had a revelation.

Magical girls are warlocks.

[hollow stone]

oh i see, i thought it was just paper and ink

[humble cairn]

Not in lore, no.

[timber holly]

Oh ok

[woven flint]

Yeah, pretty much

[fossil summit]

I know what my next character is going to be

[uncut zenith]

No. It costs expensive materials to transcribe spells. Hence the monetary cost. Then subclasses and features that lower the cost and time do so as a reflection of good a wizard has gotten at transcribing, so it takes them less time and materials to do something they’ve had plenty of practice doing.

[tawdry sentinel]

I've always just attributed it to all the practice required.

You find the scroll, it's basically written in a weird Swedish sub dialect, you don't actually speak Swedish, but that's not going to stop you working it out. So you spend the next few hours trying things out, accidentally turning your neighbours curtains into snakes and the like.

[woven flint]

"Sorry, Pal, you wanted to be a wizard? You're gonna have to give all your money to Big Mystra to learn spells, buddy boy!"

[hollow stone]

see i always comprehended magic as runes and instructions and the magically incapable getting a lot of "These scripts are instructing actions that are beyond the capacity of my thoughts. I cannot execute this spell."

[keen valve]

Crap. I meant what I said, that was a mistake.
(I accidentally deleted.)

You don't need to technically pay to do spell learning stuff so much as gather the material to like basically get it, but then the cost becomes just time, not gold.

[woven flint]

There's a joke here somewhere about Wizards being the Capitalism class...

[hollow stone]

being a wizard is literally just going to college lmao

[keen valve]

Hence why I prefer making them mainly do their stuff through spending lots of time prepping and gathering materials as opposed to buying it.

[uncut zenith]

Like I described my last wizard PC’s spells costing so much money because, especially at higher levels, because the higher level a spell it is, the rarer it is that the wizard was familiar with it, and they had to try a couple of times to transcribe it correctly. So they went through a lot of materials to get the spell just right.

[tawdry sentinel]

Paying lower level wizards to scribe spells into your book in a way that you understand.

[woven flint]

Anyway, my Noble Genies Paladin died last night and my mind is struggling to think of what to replace him with, I have a few ideas, but lordy..

He fought a Lich so the party could escape through the portal, it was badass

[hollow stone]

i mean, what are the mechanical needs of the party?

[woven flint]

We're honestly pretty well rounded

[hollow stone]

do they need a new paladin or did they need another thing?

[keen valve]

Why not instead focus on who the new character would be as a person.

[humble cairn]

And what is the campaign about?

[uncut zenith]

Keeping in mind that the lower level wizards can’t scribe a spell higher than what they’re capable of casting

[woven flint]

It's a slightly Modified Vecna Eve of Ruin

Made to be actually challenging, it's pretty fun

[uncut zenith]

You can’t just hire an intern to scribe your high-level spells in your spellbook for you

[hollow stone]

this too, but it can be helpful to know what they're doing as inspiration for who they are and why they'd do that

[tawdry sentinel]

Hire a specialist for the big stuff, have a literal factory of gnomes churning out shield scrolls

[humble cairn]

Time traveler from the future where Vecna wins coming back to try and stop that apocalypse?

[keen valve]

I didn't know it was a module, thought it was something you could have leeway with.

Modules can kind of be a bit of a sludgefest in my experience.

[woven flint]

No, feels disingenuous because the party barely knows anything about Vecna and I don't like time travelers

[uncut zenith]

The idea behind a wizard scribing their own spells is also intentionally because wizards have to personalize the spell to their own way.

[keen valve]

Are you. INSANE. Hire? Why would I EVER hire a intern? They volunteer, legally speaking.

As if I'd pay a person to learn about magic! Bah!

[humble cairn]

I don' understand how it's disingenuous, but it's fair that you don't like it. Next idea thn

[uncut zenith]

Copying a spell is like breaking down one person’s code and rewriting it into your own

[keen valve]

Playing a nothic would be fun.

[woven flint]

The ideas I have so far are
Rift Hitter Pugilist (Third party, they can punch through portals)
Stars druid
World Tree Barbarian
Aberrant Mind Sorcerer

[keen valve]

What would be most relevant to the game?

[woven flint]

I actually have in the past, his name was Ponos, he was a Parasite Patron Warlock (Third party subclass lol)

[keen valve]

Ayyyyy, nice. Reminds me that I need to pull out SARNAC and play him again sometime. I was the ||Nothic in a LMoP campaign|| once iirc.
(Spoilers for LMoP.)

[woven flint]

It's Eve of Ruin, literally a multiversal adventure.
I think pretty much anything lol

[humble cairn]

Ooh I had a lot of fun with Stars Druid, but World Tree Barb seems like it might fit in the same kind of niche as Paladin.

[keen valve]

Isekai.

[snow agate]

You want me to pay the apprentice to learn???

[keen valve]

They should literally pay me.

[uncut zenith]

I’m not a big fan of time travel tropes myself either

[hollow stone]

yea, it's fun to imagine spells in a very literal interpretation of thoughts; my thoughts are incomprehensible to you, and your thoughts incomprehensible to me because while language is a platform for sharing thoughts, this does not resolve a fundamental difference that defines multiple entities as more than just the same, and spell recording is an enscription and adaptation of one's thoughts, a kind necessary to make the psychic inflict causations in the physic

[snow agate]

They should be lucky to even gaze upon my tomes…

[woven flint]

Ehh, I'm not trying to fill in Paladin again
We already have a Fighter and 2 people (now) that can heal lol
I'm basically playing whatever right now because the party comp is pretty decently solid

[snow agate]

Ok I just got here what do you have in your party

[hollow stone]

you ever tried Rogue?

or ranger-rogue depending on what level you get to be?

[uncut zenith]

Exactly. “My spells are coded to me. If you want to copy them from my book, you’re going to have to decode it, then translate it to your own code.”

[woven flint]

Scion Rogue
Echo Knight Fighter
Theurgy Wizard (Third party subclass that can have Cleric spells but only up to Third level)
And
Somebody's replacing their character with an Armorer Artificer

[snow agate]

I imagine wizards are just terrible note takers so it looks like a 3rd grader did it

[uncut zenith]

That’s kinda why I do spell scroll libraries in some of my campaigns, where a wizard can just go to a library, pay a fee for access to a spell scroll, and copy it into their own book.

[humble cairn]

RAW doesn't this destroy the scroll?

[snow agate]

I treat wizards like an evil cabal where they share info if you do them favors

[hollow stone]

yea, and people who cannot cast spells cannot cast them because their mind simply has no training in the kind of thoughts one must have to inject will into the physic beyond control of their own body

[snow agate]

So it’s not necessarily a money problem but more of a quest problem

[uncut zenith]

RAW, yes. But for the purposes of my campaigns, library scrolls aren’t destroyed. But they do return to the library after a certain amount of time. They’re also expensive just to acquire, so on top of the wizard having to pay the regular cost of transcribing, they also have to pay for access to the scroll.

[woven flint]

Here's the question though
For introducing the character
Do we think he should be an old aquantince of my Paladin, or should I discuss with the dm and see if we can do anything fun with the new guy?

[keen valve]

I personally like how you do magic in Adventure Time is how I wish it was in more sessions. To understand, you need to first understand that everything is nothing and that nothing is real. Bring down your mental barriers type stuff.

[snow agate]

I would do the latter

[humble cairn]

Oh yeah I think Druid would be fun to mix in there. Get some control going in tandem with the Wizard to stack the deck in the party's favor.

[snow agate]

“The fire energy of the world comes from heat, which comes from atoms which vibrate at the molecular level and destroy things, and the strongest ones of these comes from volcanos - which is where the devils live and therefore magic is evil, because god said so”

[humble cairn]

Probably discuss with DM.

[snow agate]

“And negative energy is the antimatter to the positive energy matter, which is why healing kills skeletons and negative energy kills your soul”

[keen valve]

I LOVE magic is evil settings. It is my favorite thing. It's why I LOVE Thedas.

[woven flint]

On a wholesome note about the Paladins death, I think one of my party members said they've out aside some gold to have a Statue built of him back in his homeland

[hollow stone]

there is this but i prefer a level of something easier to gatekeep, like needing to observe a specific sensory pattern that you can mentally recreate to then cause the desired effect within the world as an extension of the mind's control that reaches beyond the body

[snow agate]

I do really like the dragon age magic lore

It also makes sense you’d shove your wizards into towers if they nightly get dream invaded by demons

[keen valve]

For real. Paranoia alone though is also fitting though.

[woven flint]

I loved Adventure Time, I'm probably gonna rewatch it when I have the time

[snow agate]

Yeah I mean your ten year old just cast scorching ray on the dog and can get possessed by a sloth demon, you need to send her off with the templars

[humble cairn]

Yes, and this makes it make even more sense that what's actually in a spellbook is completely personal.

[keen valve]

I've personally become fond of having it be a fear and thing, but having there be no actual evidence of it being a real threat.

[snow agate]

I like to play things straight because it makes the people in the world not look like idiots

[hot marlin]

Don't forget the dragon age trick around blood magic: It's forbidden because it bypasses templar's abilities to suppress magic. That is the real reason they call it evil

[deft pine]

Would a druid work in an urban campaign as an eco terrorist?

[snow agate]

Erm but it also looks evil

[hot marlin]

Define "eco terrorist"

[hollow stone]

you could even bend it to encompass how spell slots work, higher level spell slots are more complex patterns and, because simulating a stimulation of senses can be mentally exhausting, you can only really do it so many times before you need to mentally refresh (i.e. sleeping) and this capacity, like any other exertion of any other body part, expands the more you do it, thus why more spell slots

[uncut zenith]

Yeah, it’s evil from a sociological POV, not necessarily a supernatural/spiritual POV. Societies have a knack for labeling anything they can’t control as “evil” in an effort to scare people into submission and/or obedience.

[delicate roost]

Has anyone picked up the Lorwyn book yet? Is it worth the beyond unlocks?

[deft pine]

Fanatic that targets major deforestation and polluters

[snow agate]

(I’m also pretty sure every blood mage in dragon age ended up evil)

(That’s why you fight em all the time)

[deft pine]

Like i think that could lead to some interesting narratives

[snow agate]

It’s ok if your party agrees on being terrorists

[jagged kestrel]

🥱 I'm tired.

[hollow stone]

eco terrorism is generally any kind of terrorism that has environmentalist motivations

[uncut zenith]

That’s less because of the blood magic itself and more because their opponents force many of them to follow ideologies and goals that pose a threat. Also keep in mind that you fight em all the time not because they’re necessarily evil, but because at many points, you’re siding with the faction that labels them heretics.

[keen valve]

Like your local druid with the molotov cocktail about to burn down your village bakery because it's an affront to nature.

[hollow stone]

i.e. if you assassinate the king because they refuse to regulate coal minings in favor of the planet, that is eco terrorism

[snow agate]

this fool has been puppeteered by a heretic , his thoughts are not his own

[uncut zenith]

Blood mages in Dragon Age are more like a “rebel faction”. Yeah, some of them can be evil, in the same way that many of the templars can be evil, but most of them are just labeled as evil due to opposing the status quo.

[hollow stone]

yes, environmentally motivated terrorism!

[deft pine]

We agreed it would be cool since its a not very good person campaign as we start as rightful prisoners, but im more worried about it falling narratively flat since I havent played someone so unique

[hot marlin]

Bit untrue. Plenty of non-evil blood mages throughout the games

[keen valve]

This is unironically my one druid. I love destroying civilization.

The shadow druids in Cloakwood would LOVE me.

[hot marlin]

Okay so... Medieval setting. But yes, in theory, nothing wrong with that

[keen valve]

All things considered, it being a medieval setting doesn't change what it is.

[burnt valley]

I finally killed my terribly built character in a friend's campaign

[snow agate]

It changes a lot, medieval pollution was rather minor compared to industrial

[keen valve]

Kingdoms, for example, are still examples of authoritarian states regardless of it being in a fantasy world or not.

[hollow stone]

not to be confused with scorched earth tactics, which may be called environmental terrorism depending on who does it, which is instead destroying resources of the environment like burning down forests and farms to make the enemy submit

[hot marlin]

Well... It changes a few things. First off, pollution is not perceived the same way, no industrialisation, and most importantly no concept of terrorism. It's a recent idea

[snow agate]

Yeah im pretty sure terrorism was just me and the boys when we sack your village and take your maidens hostage

Everyone did it

[hot marlin]

For the concept of terrorism to arise, it requires certain ideas around what warfare and legitimate targets should be like, you know?

[keen valve]

Terrorism isn't recent so much as known differently in name.

[hollow stone]

you could absolutely define terrorism within a medieval setting, that's just vikings raiding a village to scare civilians in neighboring towns

[snow agate]

Yeah the closest thing would just be “dishonorable”

[hot marlin]

In our world, the word "terrorism" is a very recent invention that arises from a specific ideology.

[deft pine]

Ok now I have a whole lot more to think about

[keen valve]

I think industrialisation is fair, but it depends on the era.

[hot marlin]

(The ideology that defines something as terrorism, not the ideology that commits it)

[hollow stone]

irl terrorism is a very new word but people doing things to make other people afraid is not a historically new thing

[snow agate]

Then just call it the old word

[hollow stone]

we didn't have an old word, it was just a regular event of warfare afaik

[hot marlin]

Sure but "making people afraid" is not terrorism by itself. The law exists to make people afraid, laws are essentially threats. But you don't call judges terrorists

[deft pine]

Its a Dwarven city with decent mining smelting and construction based economy. All 3 are very felt by nature

So im wondering

[snow agate]

I mean…maybe the underground nature..

But who really cares what the earthworms think

[woven flint]

OI
I'm literally right here, the earthworm advocate.

[hollow stone]

well, the earthworms that can fight back, of course.

[woven flint]

You leave them lil critters alone >:((

[hot marlin]

I always wondered if earthworms could be good food if properly cooked. I should google it

[deft pine]

The copper mine in Utah is an example. You smelt the corves and get the valuables but then youre left with slag. I doubt dwarves care enoigh to do anything but toss it

[woven flint]

People seem to eat them on occasion, I'd never, but.. yeah lol

[snow agate]

I’m about to become elitist very fast if im a dwarf prince and EARTHWORMS start complaining to me

[deft pine]

And slag is not exactly fertilizer...

[hollow stone]

they won't complain, a sufficiently large earthworm will simply digest the foundations of your home

[keen valve]

A lot of things can be. Check out fried crickets.

[hot marlin]

Now as for an "eco-terrorist" druid, consider: What is the action the druid is committing, to protest against what?

[snow agate]

FARGRIM! make the pesticides…

[hot marlin]

I have! It's delicious!

[umbral girder]

To protests bat themed rich guys stopping them /jk

[hollow stone]

large scale hunting, probably

[umbral girder]

Or half angels dropping meteors on the world

[narrow moss]

Yeah report both their asses. This bard says that's very, very wrong.

[keen valve]

Agreed! I personally integrate underrated food into my games a lot. I am subtly enforcing unique foods into the settings to make them seem common so as to get more people to want to eat them.

[hot marlin]

Large scale hunting? Alright interesting. In real life, it wasn't really a thing. Hunting was pretty correctly managed. On average

[snow agate]

Yeah cuz otherwise you’ll get an empty forest and everyone dies in the winter

[hollow stone]

maybe hunting for sport? idk if that's very historic either

[hot marlin]

(Speaking of european and african antiquity, medieval period and renaissance)

[deft pine]

Since its a Dwarven society, I would think:

Using whatever means possible to make mining, smelting, and construction corporations unable to sustain themselves in order to prevent fume, slag, and deforestation based harm to nature

[snow agate]

It was but only really for nobles, and even they still ate it

[hot marlin]

The main threat to native species is agriculture. To create fields you need to deforest.

[deft pine]

Mainly violence and intimidation

[hollow stone]

kinda hard to make a reasonable fantasy eco-terrorist

keyword: reasonable

[snow agate]

In a time period where farming was a job that like half the population did, successfully hunting a boar is a massive amount of income and good food

[hot marlin]

Okay now that's interesting. Mining operations can release a lot of toxic chemicals. Especially in the water

[snow agate]

So people didn’t wanna waste it

[humble cairn]

I mean kinda just make an extremist member of the Emerald Enclave.

[deft pine]

The other party members consist of a wizard with VERY loose ethics, a straight up serial killer, and a tyrant awaiting execution. I think reasonable is oht of the picture

[crimson gulch]

the forest will not be harmed when the lorax is armed

[hot marlin]

But consider: Dwarves are not alone in the world. So it's not just the druids who would have a problem. What about the orcs nearby finding their river polluted, the elves whose forest is shrinking and the likes?

At a certain point, there's a chance it turns into warfare where the dwarves would be simply attacked by other nations.

[snow agate]

The 100 year elf-dwarf war is why dwarvenkind has OSHA compliant workplaces now

[uncut zenith]

Tbf, if you’re talking about a stereotypical dwarven society, I’d argue they’re just as focused on maintaining the ecosystem they rely on. A lot of times people think of dwarves who mine greedily, but at the end of the day, they need their mountain.

[deft pine]

I dont have the map downloaded because its on paper, but the Dwarves have their own continent

[hot marlin]

No casus belli is more legitimate than "you made our water undrinkable".

[hollow stone]

oh, yea, then you can make it as much of a "this is literally not an issue." type motive as you want

[hot marlin]

And nothing intelligent but dwarves live on that continent?

[snow agate]

This is true, it is their water too

[deft pine]

Its an empire with minor auxiliary species that they dont really care about

[uncut zenith]

I do like the idea of a dwarf society that employs Druids and Rangers to make sure that their industrialization is ethical, and won’t provide unnecessary harm to their citizens or the environment around them.

[snow agate]

If I were a dwarf engineer I’d probably collect slag and use it for defensive moats deep underground as an obstacle for the goblins and drow and other such things

[hot marlin]

On the other hand: whoever controls the water sources (the mountains) controls the region. That is part of the importance of Tibet, for example. Whoever controls Tibet controls the water supply of two billion human beings

[uncut zenith]

Druids that purify waters and the air to prevent people from getting poisoned by the water or from inhaling fumes, rangers who assess the caves to find the safest locations to mine, etc.

[snow agate]

Yeah I imagine dwarf Druids are actually very valuable and respected due to living in caves

[hot marlin]

Water being the thing nobody can subsist without in case you did not know

Except high level 2014 monks I guess

[woven flint]

lmao

[hot marlin]

And most undead.

[scenic flax]

Hello all! Dumb question, I'm wanting to find a west march or something play by post. How do I post in lfg?

[woven flint]

don't forget warforged too!

[uncut zenith]

Kinda reminds me of the stone singers in The Rings of Power. They’re essentially dwarven priestesses who sing to the mountain in an effort to find the safest way to prosper in an otherwise dangerous environment to build a long-term community.

[hot marlin]

And warforged, yes, thank you

[uncut zenith]

The show has plenty of warts, but I like how they portrayed dwarves.

[snow agate]

Now undead not caring about the environment is based and believable! Also they’re unholy and brimming with death energy, so they taint the ground they walk on by merely existing

[hot marlin]

Yeah, the show was only watchable for me when it was the dwarven subplot.

[snow agate]

This also creates the environmentalism vs industrialization war, as undead make good slaves due to never sleeping or having free will or health concerns

[hot marlin]

Sure but bear in mind that it can also depend on the personality and beliefs of every specific undead.

[narrow moss]

they took our jobs

[hot marlin]

An undead who was, say, a druid equivalent of a lich will have different opinions from the stereotypical death knight

[snow agate]

Undead did indeed take your jobs, every necromancer society is a slave society

[narrow moss]

mmhmm

[scenic flax]

Anyone know how to post in lfg?